1995.06.08 / Dieter Britz /  Re: Proposed "nasty-gram" for cross-posters
     
Originally-From: Dieter Britz <britz@kemi.aau.dk>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Proposed "nasty-gram" for cross-posters
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:59:51 +0200
Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University

On 7 Jun 1995, Scott Little wrote:

> I agree with John Logajan that it will take more than a vote to end this
> Farce/Plutonium mess we're now in.  It seems to me that if a bunch of us
> were to send email requests to cross-post abusers, including those who
> respond to a message without removing the extraneous newsgroups from the
> header, that eventually these folks would realize that they're offending
> us...and (here goes my irrational faith in humankind again) they would 
> STOP.
> 
> Here's my offering for a "nasty-gram" (not very nasty, actually) to send
>  these folks:  Feel free to copy it, use it, modify it, as you see fit...
> but, please, do send it to everyone you see abusing the cross-posting
> privelege.
> 
> 
> Greetings Fellow Internet Denizen:
> 
> Very recently, you either posted a follow-up or originated an article
> which had too many newsgroups in the header.  In the future, please
> limit your posts to one newsgroup. In the case of a follow-up, you must
> manually remove all the extransous newsgroup names from the header of
> your follow-up article.
> 
> At this point, you may be asking, "Why should I bother to do this?"
> 
> Newsgroups are set up according to subject so that traffic in any one
> group will be light and reasonably well-focussed.  This enables people
> to follow what's going on and allows the newsgroup to function as a
> useful forum for the exchange of ideas.
> 
> Heavy cross-posting bloats newsgroups with a lot of stuff that is not
> necessarily interesting to the regulars of that group.  It also forces
> users to maintain a link to their Internet provider longer to download
> the extra article headers.
> 
> A good example of cross-posting abuse is "the Farce of Physics".  These
> articles rightfully belong in only one newsgroup:  sci.physics.new-theories.
> Anyone wanting to read about the Farce of Physics would certainly look in
> that newsgroup first, right?
> 
> Please join me in helping to eliminate this problem.
> 
> If you do not agree with me, let me know, I will be glad to discuss this
> issue with you.  My goal is to make Usenet more useful for everyone.
> 

Not bad. I'll add that some people (like me) don't have the kill-file 
facility, and I'll take out the specific reference to Farce, probably make
it more general, so I can use it for any other similar stuff. Thanks, Scott.

As John has hinted, though, be prepared for very rude responses! I have tried
this. There are some real short-fused mouth frothers on the net - not 
only in this group...

-- Dieter Britz  alias  britz@kemi.aau.dk

cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenbritz cudfnDieter cudlnBritz cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Yong-Feng Lu /  Re position available
     
Originally-From: Yong-Feng Lu <eleluyf@leonis.nus.sg>
Originally-From: Yong-Feng Lu <eleluyf@leonis.nus.sg>
Newsgroups: ,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physics.parti
le,sci.research,sci.research.careers
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered,biz.jobs.offered
Subject: Re position available
Subject: Postdoc position in Nuclear Chemistry
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:16:18 +0800
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:31:18 +0800
Organization: National University of Singapore

From eleluyf@leonis.nus.sg Wed Jun  7 22:31:25 1995
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered,biz.jobs.offered
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:31:18 +0800
Originally-From: Yong-Feng Lu <eleluyf@leonis.nus.sg>
Subject: Postdoc position in Nuclear Chemistry
In-Reply-To: <ncs.771.00101D00@jobline.com> 
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950607221947.9381B-100000@leonis.nus.sg>
References: <ncs.771.00101D00@jobline.com> 
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Status: RO
X-Status: 


A postdoctorate fellow position is available in Nuclear Chemistry Lab,
Riken, the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research, Saitama, Japan.
The success applicant will be involved in a project to produce positron
beam from cyclotron. The applicant must have a PHD degree, familiar with
vacuum and electronics. The period is from one to three years. The payment
is Jpn Yen 250,000 (around us$3,000) per month. For more details, please
contact Dr. Y.F. Lu via Internet Email: eleluyf@leonis.nus.sg The
applicant must be fluent in speaking English OR Japanese. 

Best regards,
Y.F. Lu from Japan.



cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudeneleluyf cudfnYong-Feng cudlnLu cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Lisa Ward /  Cold Fusion the Musical
     
Originally-From: Lisa Ward <lward@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Cold Fusion the Musical
Date: 8 Jun 1995 07:07:29 GMT
Organization: Computing and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

Hi.  This is Paul.  I'm the guy who co-wrote "Cold Fusion the Musical" 
with Wes, who was posting here earlier.  For anyone who's interested 
there's an article Wes wrote about Cold Fusion and our play and whatnot 
which was published by a local magazine and is also available online.  
The URL is:

http://www.tic.ab.ca/SEE/060195/FUSION.html

There's a picture with it too!  I'm the good looking one!

Have fun with your science!


cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenlward cudfnLisa cudlnWard cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / M D /  Re: The Farce of Physics
     
Originally-From: mdo4@le.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis
,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy,
ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic
.particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics
Date: 8 Jun 1995 10:47:12 +0100
Organization: University of Leicester, UK

In article <3r4u3g$o44@xcalibur.intnet.net>,
Bryan Wallace <wallaceb@news.IntNet.net> wrote:
>The "The Farce of Physics" thread that I started November 1994 plus several
>short related threads has now reached a total of 611 posts by 214 people in 14
>newsgroups [snip]

Make that 612.
Now, as I asked you before, if you got enough time to count them all, why not
publish stats as to how many support your theory and how many oppose it, or
criticise your quoting out of context, and how many are just laughing at you.

Since you will not of course do this, please stop publishing stats of any kind.
Alternatively make a FAQ with all this info, and put a ref to its address in
your .sig to be seen when you actually post something of substance - no, that
wouldn't work either, would it.

M.
-- 
.sig test: nearing completion.
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenmdo4 cudfnM cudlnD cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Alan M /  Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
     
Originally-From: "Alan M. Dunsmuir" <Alan@moonrake.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
Date: 8 Jun 1995 12:00:02 +0100
Organization: Home

In article: <3r54h9$89s@boris.eden.com>  little@eden.com (Scott Little) writes:
> 
> As of midday on Jun 7th, I have received 30 votes from folks who
> want Farce postings removed from s.p.f. and 0 votes from folks who
> want to continue to see Farce postings on s.p.f.
> 
Scott:

I missed your original post advertising the vote, but please accept
this from me as a vote for removal. The man never _had_ any
justification for believing sci.physics.fusion was a prime medium
for those interested in his thread. He talks and operates in the
true net.loon mould, and as such should be given no latitude at all.

But how do you expect to enforce the removal once the vote counting
has finished? You don't really expect him to stop posting, do you?

-- 
Alan M. Dunsmuir [@ his wits end]     (Can't even quote poetry right)

         I am his Highness' dog at Kew
         Pray tell me sir, whose dog are you?
			      [Alexander Pope]

PGP Public Key available on request.


cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenAlan cudfnAlan cudlnM cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Alan M /  Re: Attention SPF readers: Your vote is needed
     
Originally-From: "Alan M. Dunsmuir" <Alan@moonrake.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Attention SPF readers: Your vote is needed
Date: 8 Jun 1995 12:00:05 +0100
Organization: Home

In article: <3r2i84$b8s@boris.eden.com>  little@eden.com (Scott Little) writes:
> Please indicate your choice in this matter.  I will tally the responses
> and forward them to Mr Wallace.
> 
> 
 _X__ I wish to see all Farce of Physics posts disappear from s.p.f.
 
 
 ____ I like the Farce of Physics posts being in s.p.f.
 
 
 ____ other, please explain:
 
 Please ignore my post in another thread saying that I not seen your request
for votes. It has finally arrived.
 
 
-- 
Alan M. Dunsmuir [@ his wits end]     (Can't even quote poetry right)

         I am his Highness' dog at Kew
         Pray tell me sir, whose dog are you?
			      [Alexander Pope]

PGP Public Key available on request.


cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenAlan cudfnAlan cudlnM cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Ewald HARMEYER /  FERROMAGNETICS in FUSION MACHINES
     
Originally-From: ebh@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Ewald HARMEYER)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.engr.mech
Subject: FERROMAGNETICS in FUSION MACHINES
Date: 8 Jun 1995 13:52:30 +0200
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching


The Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik in Garching,
like other institutes worldwide, is investigating the
confinement of hot plasmas by means of strong magnetic fields.
       
In studies of future fusion machines the use of
FERROMAGNETIC materials for certain components such as blanket
or first wall is under discussion.
The use of these materials would influence the magnetic 
field configuration, and the magnitude of this influence
will have to be recalculated.
       
Could anyone please give us information about investigations 
of ferromagnetic materials (e.g. martensitic steels)
under the influence of strong magnetic fields (>4T)?
At these fields the material is presumably in magnetic saturation.
 
Has the relative permeability been measured
under these conditions?                                 
         
We would very much appreciate getting recent information
or references to some pertinent literature.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
 
E. Harmeyer
=====================================
Dr. Ewald Harmeyer
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik
Boltzmannstr. 2   
D-85748 Garching, FRG
ebh@ipp-garching.mpg.de
=====================================
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenebh cudfnEwald cudlnHARMEYER cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / C SMITH /  Re: The Farce of Physics
     
Originally-From: csmith2@coventry.ac.uk (CHRISTOPHER ALAN SMITH)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis
,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy,
ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic
.particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics
Date: 8 Jun 1995 14:01:24 +0100
Organization: Coventry University


I quite agree, the whole point of science/engineering is to look forward not
back. Only people who are not comftable with themselves as technologists, and
feel the need to justify themseleves in some new age type way, give such
drivel the time of day.
-- 
Chris Smith

 
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudencsmith2 cudfnCHRISTOPHER cudlnSMITH cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Suresh Singh /  Re: Cold Fusion the Musical
     
Originally-From: Suresh Man Singh <suresxv@hpl3bol1.cern.ch>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Cold Fusion the Musical
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:02:54 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

Lisa Ward <lward@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi.  This is Paul.  I'm the guy who co-wrote "Cold Fusion the Musical" 
> with Wes, who was posting here earlier.  For anyone who's interested 
> there's an article Wes wrote about Cold Fusion and our play and whatnot 
> which was published by a local magazine and is also available online.  
> The URL is:
> 
> http://www.tic.ab.ca/SEE/060195/FUSION.html
> 
> There's a picture with it too!  I'm the good looking one!
> 
> Have fun with your science!
> 
> 
Thank you very much for your nicely analysed article on cold fusion.
I do have similar feeling about the same. As a matter of fact my
group here at CERN (European Lab for Particle Physics) has been
involved in this experiment. Hopefully we will come up with certain
concrete results in due course.

  Suresh
  CERN, Geneva
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudensuresxv cudfnSuresh cudlnSingh cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / John Logajan /  Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
     
Originally-From: jlogajan@skypoint.com (John Logajan)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
Date: 8 Jun 1995 13:47:40 GMT
Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc.

Mitchell Jones (21cenlogic@i-link.net) wrote:
: What in the world is the matter with you guys? Don't you have anything
: better to do with your time than try to censor and control the behavior of
: others? If you don't like Wallace's posts, don't read them!


But your logic is self-contradictory.  We only propose to use the power of
free speech to influence the actions of others.  You just endorsed free
speech.  So you should have no complaint whatsoever to the content of our
free speech.

Yet you seem to want to stop us -- to censor and control our behavior,
no?

Proponents of free speech (I am one) must realize that freedom of speech
includes the freedom to condemn.  In your case you are condemning the
condeming which seems a little hypocritical.

Nevertheless, I accept your right to be hypocritical because in condemning
us, you illustrate that condemning is an acceptable tool to use in trying
to influence the behaviors of others -- exactly what we intend to do by
sending our nasty-grams to off topic cross-posters.

Freedom isn't always pretty.  Get used to it.

--
 - John Logajan -- jlogajan@skypoint.com  --  612-633-0345 -
 - 4248 Hamline Ave; Arden Hills, Minnesota (MN) 55112 USA -
 -   WWW URL = http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan    -
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenjlogajan cudfnJohn cudlnLogajan cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Scott Little /  Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
     
Originally-From: little@eden.com (Scott Little)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
Date: 8 Jun 1995 15:02:37 GMT
Organization: EarthTech Int'l

In article <21cenlogic-0806950020290001@austin-1-10.i-link.net>,
21cenlogic@i-link.net (Mitchell Jones) says:

>Nobody cares about your dumb vote except scumbags who believe that the
<snip>
>of your behinds and look at the implications of what you are doing!

>--Mitchell Jones


Jeez, Mitch!  You've been watching too many spy movies.  All I'm trying to
do is show Mr. Wallace that, contrary to his feelings, nobody wants to
see his posts on s.p.f.  I'm not lobbying for new laws, censorship or
anything like that!
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenlittle cudfnScott cudlnLittle cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 /  jedrothwell@de /  Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 11:45:34 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

>____ I wish to see all Farce of Physics posts disappear from s.p.f.
>_X__ I like the Farce of Physics posts being in s.p.f.
>_X__ other, please explain:
 
OTHER:
 
Actually, I cannot make head or tail of the "Farce" and I ignore it. But
Mr. Wallace has as much right to post messages as anyone else, and Mr.
Little is wa-a-a-y out of line telling him not to. I cannot imagine what
harm his postings could cause, no matter how incorrect they might be.
 
I cannot judge "Farce" but I suppose it cannot be half so stupid and such
crackpot unsientific nonsense as the messages posted here by Steve Jones,
Richard Blue and other "pathological skeptics." They have every right to
post too. I say to all of them: Go ahead! Show the world how ignorant you
are.
 
- Jed
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenjedrothwell cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 /  jedrothwell@de /  Morrison is PROUD of his vile theories
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Morrison is PROUD of his vile theories
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 11:49:20 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

I dug up some Morrison's "regionalization of results" theory and posted it.
Now I am accused of ad-hominem posts, by bsulliva@sky.net (Bob Sullivan) and
others:
 
     "I, too, was displeased by the tone of Jed's post. Ad hominem posts hurt
     the attacker more than the attackee. Messages of this kind should go in
     private e-mail, if they have to go at all. Give it some thought Jed."
 
Look, I did not write this racist filth. I don't go around to college campuses
claiming that some people in some countries cannot do science. Morrison does!
He is proud of his theories. He stands by them. He parades them on national
television. He lectures on them. He has published crackpot "scientific" papers
about them. He has written about his "regionalization" theory many times, most
recently in his review of ICCF5:
 
     "In May 1989 when I was trying to organise all the cold fusion results
     that I had collected, decided to group them  by country for convenience.
     But was greatly astonished to find that some countries and regions had
     mainly positive results whereas other had mainly null results. This
     Regionalization of Results persisted with time except that some regions
     that at first had mainly positive results had switched and now had
     mainly null results. This is quite contrary to belief in the
     Universality of Science."
 
He could not have been "greatly astonished" because if you look at his older
publications, you will see that he has been spreading similar odious ideas for
years. He himself does not consider these ideas odious. He is proud of them!
He believes with all his heart that some people from some countries cannot do
science.
 
Morrison's methodology guarantees his predicted results. He decides beforehand
what he will "discover" and then he throws away any data that does not fit,
and adjusts the rest. There have been plenty of good CF results in Northern
Europe, even at the bastions of opposition to CF, Harwell and MIT, but
Morrison pretends these do not exist. He arbitrarily classifies all positive
results from Italy, Russia, Japan, China, India, and U.S. labs such as Los
Alamos, SRI, and CETI as "pathological." He never gives any technical reason,
because he thinks he does not need any. He waves his hand and says "these
areas fall outside the regions of good science, so the results must be wrong,
by definition." He decides before he starts that any result outside of
Northern Europe is wrong, and then he is shocked to find out that his
"regionalization" maps prove this self-fulfilling prophecy. This is, indeed,
"quite contrary to belief in the Universality of Science." That is why anyone
can see it is wrong -- because we know that science is universal, and that
people in all countries can partake of it. Morrison's ideas are contrary to
the universality of science, and also to logic, decency, morality, religion,
and common sense.
 
Morrison has posted highly political newspaper articles here, and a "review"
of ICCF5 that contains no scientific facts, no data, and not a single quote
from any lecture or abstract. It is a political diatribe against cold fusion,
and large parts of it are based upon his "regionalization" theory. People who
read his articles must realize what he means by "regionalization" and other
code words. If he is going to write political editorials here, and if he is
going to make false claims that EPRI is not doing CF, or that Pons is no
longer working on CF, then readers deserve to know more about his other
political beliefs. What kind of man is he? What are his political and social
ideas? What does he stand for? What does he say on college campuses when he is
invited to talk, and in interviews on national television? I quoted him
exactly! The meaning is crystal clear. The ideas he claims are his own
"astonishing discovery" have been plaguing civilization for thousands of
years. He method is VERY SIMPLE. He draws an arbitrary line on the map and he
declares that the people north of the line are reasoning, rational human
beings, and the people south of the line are unreasoning pathological animals
who cannot measure temperatures. That gives him a pretext to ignore or attack
everything they say.
 
This is not a minor, unimportant issue. It is front and center in Morrison's
arguments. It is the bedrock basis of his ideas. His attacks against cold
fusion are based upon the most profound, obvious, and undeniably racist
arguments -- paraded as science -- that I have seen outside of "The Bell
Curve."
 
I see no reason for me to confine my messages to private e-mail, or to pretend
that Morrison is anything other than a slimy racist. He does not hesitate to
lecture about his ideas, or write papers about them, so why should I? How can
it be an "ad hominem" attack for me to quote these "Regionalization Theories"
that he is so proud of? He talks about them more than I do! His own messages
condemn him more often than I do! The only difference between him and me is
that he boasts about his ideas, whereas I cite them as proof that he is unfit
to report on any scientific or social issue. We have been handling Morrison
with kid gloves for too long. We don't like to talk about his sick ideas, so
we smile and pretend he does not really mean it. We treat that comment in his
ICCF5 report as some kind of joke. Decent people don't like to dredge up
things like "Regionalization Theories" any more than we like to talk about
child abuse, concentration camps, or other perversity. But we must do it,
because this man has wormed his way into a position of respect and power, and
he is now quoted as some kind of authority on cold fusion. His true nature and
his real reasons for attacking cold fusion must be show to the world. People
should realizes that his ideas are, as he himself says, "contrary to the
belief in the Universality of Science" -- and therefore wrong, dreadful, and
hateful.
 
- Jed
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenjedrothwell cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / MARSHALL DUDLEY /  Re: Misinformation about Pd
     
Originally-From: mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com (MARSHALL DUDLEY)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Misinformation about Pd
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 12:23 -0500 (EST)

jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
 
-> Pd has a spread of 8 (102 to 110) for 8/106 = 7.5%
->
-> The nearby Ru and Mo also have the same spread and are lighter so the
-> % range is greater.  Much greater if you count Ru-106 (372 days).
 
Agreed.
 
-> Just to pick one from the list given by Dick Blue above, for Sn we have 12
-> (112 to 124) for 12/118 = 10.2%
 
Also true.
 
-> Then there is Ca with a spread of 8 (40 to 48, 6 isotopes) for a relative
-> spread of 8/43 = 18.6% -- and even Mg (2/25 = 8%) is as big as Pd.
 
Ca48 is not stable, although it has a very long half-life.  When you drop it
out of the set, you are left with Ca40 through Ca44, a spread of 4.  It's
just as well, Ca is rather unstable when put into water anyway.
 
I would like to point out that finding other elements which have similar or
larger spreads does not invalidate his theory.  One would need to test these
other elements to see if they also exhibit any excess heat.  Of course the
other elements must adsorb hydrogen/deuterium and be conductive as well.
 
Looking at the periodic table I have noticed something which I was not aware of
before.  The three metals which are reported to give excess heat (Ni, Pd and
Pt) are all in the right hand column of group 8.  They are the only entries
in this column.  Could be a coincidence, or a hint at what is happening.
 
                                                                Marshall
 
cudkeys:
cuddy08 cudenmdudley cudfnMARSHALL cudlnDUDLEY cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Paul Stowe /  Is this a Fluke?
     
Originally-From: pstowe@ix.netcom.com (Paul Stowe)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Is this a Fluke?
Date: 8 Jun 1995 18:18:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom

The following equation is accurate to .083%

                k = h/ec where: k = Boltzmann's constant
                                h = Planck's constant
                                e = elemental charge
                                c = light speed
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenpstowe cudfnPaul cudlnStowe cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / John Cobb /  Re: Is this a Fluke?
     
Originally-From: johncobb@uts.cc.utexas.edu (John W. Cobb)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Is this a Fluke?
Date: 8 Jun 1995 16:00:53 -0500
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <3r7etl$s75@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
Paul Stowe <pstowe@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>The following equation is accurate to .083%
>
>                k = h/ec where: k = Boltzmann's constant
>                                h = Planck's constant
>                                e = elemental charge
>                                c = light speed
Not by my calculations:  :>
h= 6.6261e-27 erg-sec
e= 4.8032e-10 statcoul
c= 2.9979e10  cm/sec
h/ec = 4.6e-28 erg-sec-sec/(statcoul-cm)

but k=1.3807e-16 erg/K

Note: they are not even in the same dimensional units.

I think any coincidence you might find when using other units
(MKS for example :> ) is just that, a coincidence. It is really
comparing apples to oranges, any thinking it is more than that is 
really just numerology.

This issue is really quite different than other meaningful numbers like
e*e/(h-bar c) (the fine structure constant) or E=mc^2 because these formulas
and numbers ahve the same dimensions, and thus these relationships hold up,
no matter what system of units one chooses.

-john .w cobb

-- 
John W. Cobb	Quietly Making Noise, Pissing off the old Kill-Joys
		-Jimmy Buffett

cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenjohncobb cudfnJohn cudlnCobb cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 /  szili@toka.ire /  STORAGE BATTERIES AS COLD FUSION CELLS
     
Originally-From: szili@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: STORAGE BATTERIES AS COLD FUSION CELLS
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:57:47 GMT
Organization: Hydro-Quebec, Montreal, Canada


                           C O L D   F U S I O N
                           ---------------------


   I have discovered an indirect, but strong proof for the theory
of shrinking hydrogen of R.MILLS. My opinion is the following:All electrical
storage batteries use probably this physical phenomenon.



   Ex #1:     Pb--( H SO )--Pb            Lead storage battery 
                     2  4                 --------------------


            Pb(1) + Pb(2) + Pb(3) = 2 x ( P ) = 54.39376 eV
                                           sh

            7.41666 eV + 15.0322 eV + 31.9373 eV = 54.38616 eV

                                           Relative diff. is: -0.014 %


	where  P   is the hydrogen shrinking potential.    P  = 27.19688 eV
                sh                                         sh

	Pb(1) is the first ionisation potential of lead
	Pb(2) is the 2-d      "         "           "
	Pb(3) is the 3-d      "         "           "




   Ex #2:         Cd--( KOH )--Ni         Cadmium-Nickel storage battery
                                          ------------------------------

               Cd(2) + Cd(3) = 2 x ( P ) = 54.39376 eV
                                      sh

             16.90832 eV + 37.48 eV = 54.38832 eV

                                           Relative diff. is: -0.010 %



	Shrinked hydrogen can easily penetrate into the holes
 existing between metallic atoms of the cathode.

	Conclusion: Charging electrical storage batteries probably
 generate extra heat with high current density. Construction of efficient
 and practical heat generating cells can be possible using this method.
                                                   
               		                              
  6/8 1995.



  Z.SZILI
  1804 Montee St-Julie,
  Varennes,
  P.Q.,
  Canada,
  J3X 1S1,
  Fax:(514)652-8625            E-mail: szili@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca


cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudenszili cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Bob Sullivan /  Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
     
Originally-From: bsulliva@sky.net (Bob Sullivan)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 95 22:39:24 GMT
Organization: SkyNET Corporation

>In article <21cenlogic-0706952358410001@austin-1-10.i-link.net>,
>   21cenlogic@i-link.net (Mitchell Jones) wrote:
>
>What in the world is the matter with you guys? Don't you have anything
>better to do with your time than try to censor and control the behavior of
>others? If you don't like Wallace's posts, don't read them! The same
>sentiments apply to those who are trying to conduct a "democratic" vote,
>with the assumption that the majority has some sort of innate right to
>control the behavior of the minority! Grow up and get a life, for Christ's
>sake!
>
>--Mitchell Jones

Usenet has umpteen thousand newsgroups so each half-baked, rabblerouser can 
have his own little soapbox. No one suggested taking his soapbox away. The 
suggestion was that, just perhaps, he doesn't need fourteen simultaneous 
soapboxes.

cudkeys:
cuddy08 cudenbsulliva cudfnBob cudlnSullivan cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Bob Sullivan /  Re: Misinformation about Pd
     
Originally-From: bsulliva@sky.net (Bob Sullivan)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Misinformation about Pd
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 95 22:50:05 GMT
Organization: SkyNET Corporation

In article <USE2PCB705432599@brbbs.brbbs.com>,
   mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com (MARSHALL DUDLEY) wrote:

>Looking at the periodic table I have noticed something which I was not aware 
>of before.  The three metals which are reported to give excess heat (Ni, Pd 
>and Pt) are all in the right hand column of group 8.  They are the only 
>entries in this column.  Could be a coincidence, or a hint at what is 
>happening.
> 
>                                                                Marshall

OK, I'll bite. Is it a hint of chemistry? 
cudkeys:
cuddy08 cudenbsulliva cudfnBob cudlnSullivan cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Derek Ross /  Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
     
Originally-From: rossd@arbroath.win-uk.net (Derek Ross)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 23:36:40 GMT

 
In article <3r2i84$b8s@boris.eden.com>, Scott Little (little@eden.com) writes:
>
>I have been communicating with Bryan Wallace, the originator of the many
>Farce of Physics posts that fill this newsgroup.  I have asked him to
>stop cross-posting into this newsgroup and he tells me that many of his
>active readers are in this newsgroup.  If that is true, then perhaps he 
>has reason to be posting here.
>
>Please indicate your choice in this matter.  I will tally the responses
>and forward them to Mr Wallace.
>
>
>__X_ I wish to see all Farce of Physics posts disappear from s.p.f.
>
>
>____ I like the Farce of Physics posts being in s.p.f.
>
>
>____ other, please explain:
>
>
>
>

There's my vote, Scott.  As far as the 'nasty gram' is concerned
I've already been sending my own not particularly nasty version to
all FARCE posters for a week or two because it's been doubling my
download time and I object to paying long distance phone rates to
download irrelevant material. Most replies to my email have been
been encouraging. Let's hope a concerted email effort will move the
thread elsewhere ASAP.

Cheers

Derek



cudkeys:
cuddy08 cudenrossd cudfnDerek cudlnRoss cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.09 / Derek Ross /  Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
     
Originally-From: rossd@arbroath.win-uk.net (Derek Ross)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:34:30 GMT

 
In article <21cenlogic-0806950020290001@austin-1-10.i-link.net>,
Mitchell Jones (21cenlogic@i-link.net) writes:
>In article <3r54h9$89s@boris.eden.com>, little@eden.com (Scott Little) wrote:
>
>> As of midday on Jun 7th, I have received 30 votes from folks who
>> want Farce postings removed from s.p.f. and 0 votes from folks who
>> want to continue to see Farce postings on s.p.f.
>
>Nobody cares about your dumb vote except scumbags who believe that the
>majority has a right to censor and control the behavior of the minority!
>The rest of us--those who are inclined to mind our own business--deal with
>posts we don't like by not reading them. It's called "live and let live,"
>and it works just fine. It's people like you, driven by your insatiable
>desire to control and intimidate others, who are the impetus behind the
>move for government control of the internet. The logic is simple: at
>present, Wallace and other victims of attempted majoritarian intimidation
>have the option of simply telling the busybodies to kiss off. Therefore,
>say the busybodies, we need to legislate penalties with teeth in them.
>And, of course, once the penalties with teeth are in place, they will be
>used to silence newsgroups such as this one, where a majority vote will
>beyond a shadow of a doubt conclude that "cold fusion" is a crackpot
>notion that ought to be suppressed! You guys need to pull your heads out
>of your behinds and look at the implications of what you are doing!
>
>--Mitchell Jones
>===========================================================
>

I subscribe to sci.physics.fusion because I want to read about
fusion related science.  

Every time Bryan Wallace puts one of his enormous postings on
sci.physics.fusion, it costs me at least 20 cents.  Why should I
pay to download his posts ?  They're not about fusion!  I never read
them but I can't refuse them if I want to read sci.physics.fusion.
You would soon holler if you started having to pay for the junk mail
you get through your door.  Why can't I holler when I have to pay for
junk mail down the phone line ?  Just because I'm part of the
minority who has to pay long distance phone charges should I be
browbeaten into keeping quiet by the majority who don't ?  No way !
Freedom of speech for me too! 

And what's this stuff about censorship ?  I'm not trying to censor
Bryan.  I doubt that anyone else is either.  The BEST place for him
to publish is alt.sci.physics.new-theories.  What's the point in
having subject areas if everybody ignores them ?  We might as well
have one big newsgroup with 10,000 messages a day in it.  If Bryan
publishes in alt.sci.physics.new-theories then people who WANT to pay
to read his posts will know where to find them.  I think his theories
SHOULD be published but I don't think I should be paying so that he
can publish them. 

I'm glad you mind your own business.  That's what I do.  And this
is my business.  My financial business.  As for 'live and let live',
when Bryan stops costing me money, I'll 'live and let live' but not
before. I'm sure you'd feel the same if someone started hitting
your bank balance.

Cheers

Derek



cudkeys:
cuddy09 cudenrossd cudfnDerek cudlnRoss cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.09 / Barry Merriman /  Re: Is this a Fluke?
     
Originally-From: barry@starfire.ucsd.edu (Barry Merriman)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Is this a Fluke?
Date: 9 Jun 1995 00:17:18 GMT
Organization: UCSD SOE

In article <3r7etl$s75@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> pstowe@ix.netcom.com (Paul Stowe)  
writes:
> The following equation is accurate to .083%
> 
>                 k = h/ec where: k = Boltzmann's constant
>                                 h = Planck's constant
>                                 e = elemental charge
>                                 c = light speed

Yes, it is a fluke, because the units are no right: 
MKS units on the left are
  
    Joule/(degree K)

and MKS units on the right are

    (Joule*sec)/(coulomb * meter /sec) = Joule*sec^2/(coulomb*meter)

which don't match (unless I'm unaware of the identity
 1 degree K = 1 coulomb meter/second^2 :-)

Since the units don;t match, the numerical identity is meaningless,
as it is only true in one system of units (and conversely, I am
free to make new units which would allow any desired identity, such
as e = c^2/G or whateve you want...)



--
Barry Merriman
UCSD Fusion Energy Research Center
UCLA Dept. of Math
bmerriman@fusion.ucsd.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


cudkeys:
cuddy9 cudenbarry cudfnBarry cudlnMerriman cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.09 / Barry Merriman /  Re: Shrinking hydrogen---any QM ways?
     
Originally-From: barry@starfire.ucsd.edu (Barry Merriman)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Shrinking hydrogen---any QM ways?
Date: 9 Jun 1995 00:26:06 GMT
Organization: UCSD SOE

In article <3r2il7$b8s@boris.eden.com> little@eden.com (Scott Little) writes:
> In article <3r2686$lfn@soenews.ucsd.edu>, barry@starfire.ucsd.edu (Barry  
Merriman) says:
> >
> 
> >So, aside from using muons to shrink H, can anyone think of
> >any other sound approach? 
> 
> If you accept that the ground state of the electron is that orbit in 
> which the electron is in equilibrium with the zero-point field (a 
> theory discussed at length by Puthoff in a PhysRev paper some years
> ago), then it is perfectly reasonable that all you have to do is move
> the H atom into a cavity-like structure where some of the ZPF modes have
> been eliminated and, voila, the orbit shrinks.  

Well, I _might_ be able to accept that, and I believe this is the 
basis of the Casimir effect that causes two || 
metal plates in a vacuum to attract.
But we must remember the ZPF is very weak (which is
why the Casimir effect is far two small to ever detect), and thus
the resulting amount of shrinkage would also be very small, too
small to promote any significant fusion.


> Such a place is, for
> example, a metallic lattice.

Maybe, but we also know from ~ 100 years of studying hydrogen 
absorbed into Pd that nothing blatantly amazing happens.


--
Barry Merriman
UCSD Fusion Energy Research Center
UCLA Dept. of Math
bmerriman@fusion.ucsd.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


cudkeys:
cuddy9 cudenbarry cudfnBarry cudlnMerriman cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Mitchell Jones /  Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
     
Originally-From: 21cenlogic@i-link.net (Mitchell Jones)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 18:00:18 -0500
Organization: 21st Century Logic

In article <3r73ed$1od@boris.eden.com>, little@eden.com (Scott Little) wrote:

> In article <21cenlogic-0806950020290001@austin-1-10.i-link.net>,
21cenlogic@i-link.net (Mitchell Jones) says:
> 
> >Nobody cares about your dumb vote except scumbags who believe that the
> <snip>
> >of your behinds and look at the implications of what you are doing!
> 
> >--Mitchell Jones
> 
> 
> Jeez, Mitch!  You've been watching too many spy movies.  All I'm trying to
> do is show Mr. Wallace that, contrary to his feelings, nobody wants to
> see his posts on s.p.f.  I'm not lobbying for new laws, censorship or
> anything like that!

Scott, you seem like a decent guy, and I am sorry for coming on so strong.
Nevertheless,  ideas have consequences, and the premise underlying your
attempts to control Mr. Wallace's posting decisions--that ill-defined
"majorities" have the right to dictate the personal decisions of
individuals--is as tyrannical as Stalin or Hitler could ever have hoped to
be. You need to accept that the internet is based upon individual rights
and individual decision making, not on majority rule. The most valuable
aspect of the internet is the unmoderated newsgroup, where the news comes
to us direct, without being screened by any particular person's values.
That allows us to do our own screening, based on our own values, and gives
us access to a full universe of fact, speculation, rumor, and even
outright lies, from which we can, if we are rational enough, find the
truth. This is not something that can be done with a screened medium. The
crucial information that is needed is not there. As evidence, I offer you
the pages of our "moderated" mass media outlets (newspapers), with their
grotesquely biased, authoritarian slant. You need to recognize that it is
a trifling inconvenience for you to merely not read Mr. Wallace's
postings, compared to the ruin and devastation that will ultimately result
from the majoritarian bullying that you are practicing. "Majority rule" is
a form of tyranny that may be "politically correct" in this so called
"modern" world, but it is tyranny nonetheless, and it does not belong on
the internet.

--Mitchell Jones
===========================================================
cudkeys:
cuddy08 cuden21cenlogic cudfnMitchell cudlnJones cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.09 / John Logajan /  Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
     
Originally-From: jlogajan@skypoint.com (John Logajan)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Attention SPF readers:  Your vote is needed
Date: 9 Jun 1995 00:07:53 GMT
Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc.

jedrothwell@delphi.com wrote:
: Mr. Wallace has as much right to post messages as anyone else, and Mr.
: Little is wa-a-a-y out of line telling him not to. I cannot imagine what
: harm his postings could cause, no matter how incorrect they might be.

An analogy is the arranging of books at a library according to the
Dewey decimal system.  In this way, topics are arranged by category.

Now suppose someone insists on moving books hither and tither placing
them at random in the bookshelves.  It'd be pretty irritating and time
consuming to find a book on the topic you were looking for.

Well, there are literally hundreds of topics on usenet and mis-filing
of topics wastes peoples' time.

It is especially irritating to people who get the SPF e-mailed digests.
In some cases they have to pay for the transport of these messages
to their internet provider -- messsges they'd rather not be reading.

It really isn't censorship to ask people to correctly classify their
postings -- especially if they are never-ending threads.

--
 - John Logajan -- jlogajan@skypoint.com  --  612-633-0345 -
 - 4248 Hamline Ave; Arden Hills, Minnesota (MN) 55112 USA -
 -   WWW URL = http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan    -
cudkeys:
cuddy9 cudenjlogajan cudfnJohn cudlnLogajan cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
1995.06.08 / Dean Edmonds /  Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
     
Originally-From: deane@excalibur.net5c.io.org (Dean Edmonds)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: attn Bryan Wallace: early returns on "the Vote"
Date: 8 Jun 1995 14:08:52 -0400
Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd.

In article <21cenlogic-0806950020290001@austin-1-10.i-link.net>,
Mitchell Jones <21cenlogic@i-link.net> wrote:
>In article <3r54h9$89s@boris.eden.com>, little@eden.com (Scott Little) wrote:
>
>> As of midday on Jun 7th, I have received 30 votes from folks who
>> want Farce postings removed from s.p.f. and 0 votes from folks who
>> want to continue to see Farce postings on s.p.f.
>
>Nobody cares about your dumb vote except scumbags who believe that the
>majority has a right to censor and control the behavior of the minority!
>The rest of us--those who are inclined to mind our own business--deal with
>posts we don't like by not reading them. It's called "live and let live,"
>and it works just fine.

So you wouldn't mind me going into your favourite newsgroup and flooding
it with posts for sex hot-lines, perfume advertisements, chain letters,
discussions about abortion, child-rearing advice, recipes, binary nudes,
weather forecasts, etc?

This is not about censorship, it's about keeping the books on the right
shelves. There are perfectly valid newsgroups for Mr. Wallace to post to
which can be read by any of the millions of Usenet subscribers who so choose.
That hardly constitutes censorship.

The charter of this group is such that it is _not_ one of those groups where
it makes any sense for Mr. Wallace's `Farce' postings to appear. The sole
purpose of the vote is as a `sanity check' to ensure that the people
reading this group do agree on the interpretation of the group's charter.

Furthermore, Mr. Little clearly stated that the intent of his vote
was to convince Mr. Wallace that the readership of this group was not, in
fact, interested in his posts, since the latter had given that as his reason
for posting here. Since this is a non-moderated group, there is no form of
coercion that can be applied to Mr. Wallace other than to ask him to kindly
limit his posts to those groups where they are pertinent and of interest
which, being an intelligent and considerate man, I am sure he'll do.

So the vehemence of your post is both overdone and out of place.

If Mr. Wallace wishes to post about cold fusion, he is free to do so
here. But broadly-based physical theories which do not deal with the
specifics of cold fusion clearly have nothing to do with cold fusion and
therefore belong elsewhere.
=============================================================================
  - deane
cudkeys:
cuddy8 cudendeane cudfnDean cudlnEdmonds cudmo6 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 
------------------------------
processed by cud.pl ver. 0.5 Fri Jun  9 04:37:05 EDT 1995
------------------------------
