tacci left again. Two hours ago I see live talk on Moscow TV - no extraordinal news pro-Yeltsin supporters set up barricade~rs in Red Square European countries are backing Yeltsin. Yeltsin does not have support of all army generals nrv: can you expand tomorrow should be worse according to pro Rutskoi nrv: please cite your sources NBC reports some army units declared support for Rutskoi trot: Yeltsin do not want to report on that though (CTV) my source = CTV and SRC (Canada) NRV: you need to tell us each time, as we do not know if it is your opinion or not. :) geek: Ok :) What people from Demos says? brb There is noone from demos on irc right now. anyone gets CNN here? I do. > yes > in North America they are reporting on sports news I may drop off to sleep soon. :) Does anyone have any info about the 6am event? some generals refused to obey to Yeltsin's orders earlier today (CTV) CTV; Yeltsin did not comment on that France supports Yeltsin Canada condemns Rutksoi's supporters actions (TVA) TVA: almost no chance of civil war I just talk by phone with Demos - people says that they don't hear shooting (Demos is close to Red Square) to quote BBC (World) on an earlier bulletin "Public Order has collapsed in Moscow" I am going to take a break. May be for a few hours, I am not feeling well. Thank you all for your time. I will stay logged in an attempt to auto-op those who have been providing reports. take it easy, geek ... peace to you. thanx geek, sleep well :) > thanks geek Does anyone watch Russian TV? CBS reporting right now CBS: at least 24 killed so far news cycle about to begin on #news ... it's a little stale, but will provide an overview. pop up a new window and /join news ... jeez i go to lunch and they break the net... 1500 paratroopers have landedi in moscow. whos side are the paratroopers on?? ah. this is the 6am event. > CNN reports fighting still happening at TV Station CNN: two divisions of soldiers, number 5000 each are rolling into the city. jem: what is the 6am event? does anyone know how i can get the newsbot text? jem: /join #news gunfire, flames, ambulances on screen. cnn. freeside: this live? cnn: boris yeltsin returns by helicopter from his country house. trot: on cnn now. cnn: repeat shot of rurikov stressing importance of soon quiet. > CNN North America is replay of last day cnn: (this looks like daybreak) lot less cars on the streets ... people know what's going on ... most people staying at home. cnn: most people are not in support of either side, not sure which way to lean. cnn: people going to stand by and get on with their lives. cnn: theorizing: russians will follow yeltsin becuse they're fed up with communists. cnn: yeltsin's foreign minister: "the communist and the neo-nazi ... rebels stick to violence and have no other means. freeside: CNN likes sounding words...russians will follow yeltsin becuse they trust him more than anybody else... shrug ... just putting the news through ... better the devil you know eh?? has anyone seen a *.su in the last half an hour?? nope umm. tacci about 45 mins ago. there ya go medved what do we know about the "6 am event" does anyone has news from regions? medved, any fresh news?.. report of over 100 para-troopers sent in.. that must have been what tacci was referring to. jem: whom do they support?.. confirmed I talk with Demos people 30 minutes ago by phone - no extra news... where were the paratroopers sent medved: has demos fallen over or are they just busy?? The paratroopers are apparently Yeltsin's. they support Yeltsin, they follow his orders Here in Siberia is very quiet olegus: yeltsin, it seems. and the two divisions of troops (10,000) ? topfm: demos is safe, people just tired.. :) Demos duty officer says that people are tired. Kirill Tchashin report from outside what, tired! but its daybreak over there :-) medved: who is a duty officer there?..Demos is non-military!.. :) :) olegus: are, my english! Duty man :) medved: tell demos that the sun is coming up.. time to get outta bed ;) Guys, using a break, I wanna say that I am so impressed by the fact how many people are following the news and sitting here despite of night and Monday tomorrrow!!!!! sorry, people - I don't have very fresh news. two hours ago I watch moscow tv *** Action: topfm notes that it is Monday for him and he is supposed to be working... > CNN reports fighting in the streets in Moscow yeltsin would be crazy not to take decisive action very soon > CNN reports at least 6 tanks heading towards the White House we wanna link into the whitehouse and we want it now ;) !!! cnn: tanks are coming from the direction of the kremlin can anyone get Clinton onto IRC ??? only 6! topfm: in 1991 there was BBS in white house... > CNN reports tanks coming from Katuzisky Prospect towards White House (tanks are APC / armored personnel carriers) ginster: Kutuzovski prospect ;) > Clinton email is president@whitehouse.gov . /summon president@whitehouse.gov Okay...how about president???@whitehouse.gov???.su :-) cnn: the white house has been made fairly storm-proof. apcs approach ... if there are only 6 APC heading towards the WH, could these be defectors? trot: what is APC?.. ol: Armoured Personel Carriers > CNN reports: APC (armored personnel carriers) are in front of White House CNN: not soldiers but civilians are in the apcs. freeside: so defectors then CNN: TASS said Yeltsin had approached the rebel leaders for negotiations; he was rebuffed. > can we get a laptop with modem into the White House? :) ginster: they've had their electricity cut off again i think > laptop with batteries somebody wake up the bloody US president will you?? solar powered laptops... topfm: he's got a very important golf games today. can't be disturbed :) cnn: a helicopter marked with the letters "I.B.M." was seen hovering above the White House. As cameras tracked, a small box of approximate dimensions 8.5 X 11 X 1 was gently lowered into the building. ginster: do you wanna here these communists? > yes - we should talk wow IBM have turned communist! ginster: I saw night interview with some people in W.H. > get Rutskoi and Yeltsin on IRC now trot: yeah i got the auto-responder message and president@whitehouse.gov.su didnt work ;) 5 apcs with men in civilian clothes, looking down from cnn bureau. have weapons? medved: do you reckon that would be possible > email to president@whitehouse.gov does work, but clerks read it topfm: sorry? cnn: a lot of the defenders of the white house are afghan war veterans. free: how do you mean "looking down from cnn bureau" ? medved: can we get Yeltsin on IRC??? trot - camera angle is top-down onto the apcs. topfm: I'm afraid no :-) there were 6 APC a short time ago, what happened to the 6th? dunno. go watch _blade runner_. ;) cnn: is now showing the personel carriers cnn: weapons being fired cnn: consider that the russian military is no longer as studly as it used to be; those on the apcs may in fact be off-duty or nonuniform soldiers. > CNN audio sounds like cannon fire people running for cover. Does CNN is live from Moscow? cnn: shots fired from the "peace" hotel medved yes abc: pro-rutskoi supporters have taken several buildings around the TV station and are firing at Yeltsin supporters/troops in another building gin: what's happening? are the APC firing at WH defenders? white house are loading something into one of the commandeered military trucks. something heavy. > trot: no firing is visible > freeside and I are watching the same news feed gin: but the cannon fire...? > trot: it was heard, but not seen (could have been grenades) cnn: black volvo's are moving cnn: armed men getting into volgas, heading toward .... ? cnn: black volvo's indicate parliamentary figures up to date logs of the past 14 or so hours of this channel, as well as an archive of relcom.politics, and the most recent irc #news is available on sunsite.unc.edu cnn: armored personel carries have not be categoried as yeltsin or parliamentary supports volga's not volvo's ftp:/pub/academic/russian-studies/russian-coup or gopher:/coup.d on sunsite.unc.edu jem: in what directory? is there anyway of getting that file split into hours?? cnn: afgan veterans seem to be supporting the parliament cnn: one tank and 3 personal carriers cnn: molotov cocktails being thrown topfm: unfortunately no. tomorrow, i'll work on splitting it down into some useful unit. and then probably WAISing it. i may also make web pages from it. cnn: shots being fired kemo: this still all outside White House? > trot: yes trot: this is occuring as the carriers are heading toward the white house somehow, i am struck by the ... stark beauty of the scene, and the surreality of tanks and cannonshots rolling across the midautumn landscape. there's a lot of noise, but nothing's geting blown up. > molotov coctails beind thrown at APC's outside White House [CNN] cnn:many shots being fired the only thing on fire is the barricade outside the white house. freeside: that is far from beauty... avk, whats happening? cnn: picutre of the balcony whre parliament speakers were sunday avk: can you see this cnn: smoke rising cnn: russians carring shields Now it is calm here > CNN: Automatic weapons fire outside White House, continuous. At leaset at Pushkinskaya square. It is about 10 km from the WH. avk: there sounds like there is an assault on the WH cnn: yeltsin given new orders No people a5t the streets. cnn: disarm all illegal formations can we get a ps map of Moscow from anywhere 1 tank plus at least 3 APC moving in on WH cnn: yeltsin seems to have finally made a Decision. cnn: yeltsin released this at 7am light and medium arms fire around WH looked like so heavier stuff, but not much of it on CNN kemo: what decision? Oh, right now we heard gunfire down the windows.. medved: to normalize the situation avk, stay away from the windows cnn: possibility the biggest show of violence since the revolution of 1917 cnn: potential use of rocket launchers by parliament There were three APCs that seemed to be with Rutzkoi cnn: yeltsin: disarm all illegal factions WH defenders will probably be massacred. But i don't understand why Yeltsin would only send 3 APC and 1 tank why don't they bring in Aircraft? cnn: difficult to tell who is with yeltsin because of the change in the military since the fall of the soviet union > On CNN live TV I am seeing many APC's too many people, according to the vice premier. (that was to calboy) Many civilians around one column of APCs.. they may be with Rutzkoi cnn: bunker seen below the balcony cnn: injured or dead person being carried near bunker silek: how many APC in that column? cnn: entrance 20 to the congress hall cnn: carried to first aid station... three or four. they met with some black vlogas Moscow radio: At tverskaya meeting still goes on, Russian govenment issued the last warning to the defenders of the WH volgas rather cnn: another personal moving toward to wh lot of army trucks moving in, those are men moved into position outside the white house. avk: what did it say? any idea? cnn: more shots avk: is there anything on the constitutional court decision? no other informatiomn. Radio receprion is extremely bad, I'm trying to... Men in WH assuming defensive postions.. molotov cocktails thrown at some military vehicled avk: can we get a serial line down to yeltsin??? cnn: many people are running into first aid station which is entrance 20 under the balcony WH supporters will loose because they don't have mass support cnn: truck on fire err lose cnn: moscow city offices topfm: nope.. We attempted to establish connectiom from one of the radio station but they refused. avk can you see the peace hotel? cnn: are there women, children, innocents in the white house? yes, a lot of elderly. cnn: lots of civilans in the area freeside: outside wh Has there been any news of bring in the Airforce? kemo: No.. It is too far. And I can't see anything from computer room windows. avk: will people go to work today? cnn: dimitri rurikov cnn: yeltsin signed decree at 5am cnn: yeltsin seems to be coming down hard on the "criminal elements", closing bank accounts ... cnn: organizations that supported parliament to be arrested and bank accounts to be colsed closed cnn: re nuclear -- beefed up security at the arsenals. CNN: Yeltsin has seized all the banck accounts of the Parilimentary people freeside: verified Who asked about working: Yeltzin asked everybody tyo continue working kemo: we're watching the same feed, of course we verify ;) freeside I will yield and let you report cnn: rurikov "hopes it doesn't take long" for order to be restored. cnn: rurikov says there his strong support for decisive action by the president. no reports from abc, nbc, abc or fox cnn: rurikov "in very short time the president will address the nation." CNN: is showing a dead person being carried cnn headline news focusing on other news cspan no reports cnn: still in russia here ... some commentary. no reports from cnbc cnn: mr yeltsin does not relish firing ... hopes to find a peace conclusion. I will have AuBC news in about 6 mins. michael: different radio stations announced army approaching WH at least 5 times during the night.. Who asked about working: Yeltzin asked everybody tyo continue working avk: dunno any reports from mideast or orient avk: i asked avk: do you have the morning issue of pravda just what are you trying to say Michael?? > avk: how far from the WH are you? Gorbachev asks Yeltzin to withdraw all the troops.. ginser: currently ~10 km any reports from israel or plo kemo: no.. avk: that's about 3 miles right cnn: the wh fired on the apcs with heavy artillery. avk: how far are you from the Kremlin? sorry for the conversion the us mostly still uses the english system the WH ? where the hell did they get heavy artillery ? silek: that's the key question silek: please explain ugh.. no sorry.. take it to discuss silek: they had been stocking up, according to earlier cnn. yeltsin to speak to russian nation in about an hour confirmed michael AuBC sporadic shooting near television centre at least 12 dead AuBC retelling OLD news Avk: when was the last time you went outside?? avk: hows the weather? Radio 101 (moscow): russian tv xmitted emergency news. ?They repeated the warning to the WH defenders. topfm: storm front heading that way calboy: An hour ago. avk, watch out goin outside. if the shooting starts, it could spread fast.. AuBC Australian Foreign Minister reiterates Aust Government support for Yeltsin. abc: more forces keep coming in abc: bus on fire AuBC: Australians in Moscow are advised to stay inside.. avk: where is your family Radio 101: about 170 persoms wounded it is warm in moscow, +14C US embassy guard in high state of alert.. Silek: they are too close to WH... nrv: anything on cbc in canada? kemo: no abc: special report over will come back as issues warrant cnn: heavy tanks moving in. 8 in the picture, followed by trucks. no more reports from abc just how good is Yeltsin as a strategist?? topfm: good enuf to get rid of gorbechev (sp) inick please report that cnn: tanks continue to roll towards the wh. I am really impressed that this net has stayed together... > CNN showing a column of armored vehicles with cannons moving along in front of WH nothing on all major Canadian networks heavy armed vehicles/tanks resume movement towards parliament Israel said that at least 21 dieds and about 150 wounded in the battle near tv centre any word from the palestinians or plo does anyone know Yeltsins e-mail address? heavy tanks moving to WH topfm: I guess he doesn't ahve one those are not light tanks, boys and girls tough job only due to movement of large machinery. avk: could you explain the computer network in russia so they understand michael: sure.. WH is really protected, I guess they have rockets Russian tv broadcasts news. Will be back! the WH has RPGs silek what is a rpg 800-1500 AK 47/ppl inside parliament ready for counterattack cnn: major artilery fire Rocket propelled grenade heavy artillery, gunfire .... > CNN: Artillery sounds reported sorry gavroche: demonstrators also inside gav: no need to apologize (about the deop) any word on the religious leader im sorry I dont remember his name Patriarch Alexi II cnn building is rocking building is completely surrounded [cnn] (I'm a little lost here) Has the army been polarized, or are these still the Spetznaz troops? are spetznaz troops the alpha troops any update on Gorb.'s position? nrv: and position? bloody netsplit avk: what is happening I heard gunfire from Mossovet side right now michael: Gorbi is LIAR! He used troops in Tbilisi, Baku, Vilnius... michael: It IS NOT fun here.. avk: where is ur family? avk: but your forging your future, this will be your history, people will read about this for ages if I were russian I would be very proud Michael: anything else? he said earlier that he wanted Yeltsin to withdram his troops withdraw rather kemo: yes, but u r not the one who could die over this.. is evedryone watching cnn? hello? avk: does Mossovet= WH? michael: this reminds me of the american civil war kemo, michael, jeannette, #discuss ... freeside sorry reports only please , osrry I got caught up in the moment trot: NO - Mossovet is on Tverskaya, near Mossovet there is a democratic meetimng From the WH there is heavy shooting A lot of gunfirer on Tveskaya i love a good netsplit... anything happen in the last 5 mins?? About 2 divisions move to WH avk: where are you? *** Action: freeside bows deeply. cnn: 500 holed up in the white house ... heavy weaponry being fired at the wh. archives of last 14-15 hours of this channel, as well as Postfactum reports (from relcom.politics), and text from the newsbot is available for ftp and gopher on sunsite.unc.edu About 800 AKMs are in WH ftp:/pub/academic/russian-studies/russian-coup gopher:/coup.d AKM? *** Lastlog: michael: this reminds me of the american civil war kemo, michael, jeannette, #discuss ... freeside sorry reports only please , osrry I got caught up in the moment trot: NO - Mossovet is on Tverskaya, near Mossovet there is a democratic meetimng From the WH there is heavy shooting A lot of gunfirer on Tveskaya i love a good netsplit... anything happen in the last 5 mins?? About 2 divisions move to WH avk: where are you? *** Action: freeside bows deeply. cnn: 500 holed up in the white house ... heavy weaponry being fired at the wh. archives of last 14-15 hours of this channel, as well as Postfactum reports (from relcom.politics), and text from the newsbot is available for ftp and gopher on sunsite.unc.edu About 800 AKMs are in WH ftp:/pub/academic/russian-studies/russian-coup gopher:/coup.d AKM? *** End of Lastlog To all who asked: my family is (hopefully) safe, they are far from the WH. In another district of Moscow jem : is there anyway of splitting that log down into hourly size chunks?? most battle is taking place is in the bunker, the 20th entrance Russian TV repeats old recordings :( michael yup its focused on the bunker michael: it seems so. But I seriously doubt in success person on balcony topfm: not easily. i will look into it tomorrow. average people walking on street kemo: yes. At night Yeltzin asked everyione to go working as if noting happens... us embassy: marine on standby this i knew AVK: What is the latest over there? theman: Not much... what is going on right now???? avk: wher in moscow are oyu?? as in how far away from the turmoil Wow. heavy gunfire re the gunfire: who are firing, and who are the targets? is it one-way or two? tanks being loaded freeside: everybody's firing.. Freeside: Go to #news.. for the updates. How many dead? rikitiki: I *run* #news :) Oh. Sorry.. *sheepish grin* THE_MAN: ~30 dead, >170 woiunded sounds like rocket launchers damn. pi's log of #report stopped working 2 hours aga. i'll start a new one. has anyone else been keeping a log? smoke on the wh side of the bridge avk: how do u know? AVK Does it look like any side is ready to give in? unknown jem why dont you keep one now Really heavy gunfire FROM the WH side  ssh, theman. kemo: i will. just hoping i haven't lost anything. Has there been any sort of air activity? jem ok you'll do your best rik: not yet no air power at all the battle tanks are loading ammo. Is the Russian air force allied with the Army? nw corner of white house is where most of the fire is coming from they look like boxes full of tank shells rikitiki: no air activity noticed michael: that's live russian tv those tanks have a rediculous amount of ammunition russian radio talks about philosophy and moral.. next phase of the assault seems to be getting ready Yeltsin ought to call in the Hind-24s. How many ANTI YELSTIN supporters are there? thousands, hundreds? thman: some of the demonstrators went inside the wh HOW MANY PRO YELTSIN SUPPORTERS? theman: I estimate as 2-3 thousands possible prisoners in the wh cnn: rumours that there may be prisoners in the building. AVK: HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO THE FIGHTING? about 15-20 police prisoners kemo: Prisonertrs where tortured duding the night Damn. I need CNN here. mahdis: ~9-10 km avk: where did that come from wow michael: They where released (excvhanged) and talked on the Russian TV avK: wow thanks for that report AVK: CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING? man walking his dog mahdis: I look at the screeen now... Maybe in several minutes I and tikitavi will have a walk around.. ABC news Australia coming up... WHAT ARE PEOPLES VIEWS HERE???? THOSE IN MOSCOW AND/OR THOSE WHO ARE OF DESCENT avK; be careful do not endanger youself AVK: DON'T TRY TO BE A HERO mahdis: they can be found on other channel mahdis, please /join #discuss. kemo: Sure! Who will report here if not me? :) What? ok avk: i know its gonna get worse we can see it on cnn commandos running CNN: commandos sighted! Where am I going? I've been through tidal waves and hurricanes, but I've never covered a coup. commandos commandos running towards the WH at least 5 tanks advancing Sorry - RTV shows news.. Will be backl! AuBC: yeltsin orders troops onto moscow streets 2 tanks have moved out of playing area towards wh AuBC: 2 divisions of paratroopers AVK BE careful! cnn: tanks are rolling leisurely off the soccer field. avk: be careful AVK: Good luck, and godspeed. cnn: president yeltsin calls it "decisive measures". ! freeside; what is that tank doing on cnn AuBC: Australian foreign minister supports yeltsin cnn: tank just drove through a fence. now a 5-point turn beomes a 3-point turn. Kemo the tank is ruining US poperty!! punching holes in fence behind the wh michael: clinton's behind yeltsin even if he takes off the velvet glove. firing is steadily increasing cnn: "very methodical assault in progress." Right now RTV showed people releaseed from captured City Hall. cnn: what we cann apc's, russians call BMP's. reports only please discuss on #discuss avk: those were the, uh, captured ones? They are reallyt heavily bruised and they told terrific thiungs. freeside: yes, they were the captured and now released. avk: who Capturers beat them really badly. avk: can you get any other russians online? maybe some tortured people Those in Militia uniform were tortured. Kemo: That's a lot to ask. kemno: No. riki: i know just wondering if any were around kemo: They are in Mossovet and I cannot enter there (a lot of guards). ok avk if they're not around dont bother davinator could you report that please I ran out of sigarettes so in 10 minutews I will have a walk around.. And of course will report ktvu in SF is reporting that clinton is on air force one will land in about an hour in sf avk: well again take caution Yeah.. Nicottene takes priority over life-threatening coups. we need a cnn reporter in here is anyone here from atlanta, usa Riki: hehe i wonder where reuter got to.. michael: I want cnn to know about the tortured people cnn has not reported that yet kemo, call the 202 number. freeside do you have it call em collect uh oh Avk? perhaps it would help if the CNN reportes would stop telling us that we're hearing "gun fire" ... when that's obvious. riki: on za kurevom poshel scott: they are probably trying to avoid behing hit in english?? in one of the recent pans, there were 4 people running up the left side of the screen shot.. and you could see "tracers" comout of the the whitehouse da..  the commentators did not even see it. avk you there kemo: he buying tobacco... gotta find some yup oh fantom is from .su as well cnn: snipers in the white house. ok, I'm going back to the tube... watch for the red tracers coming from the windows in the whitehouse heavy shots on wh tanks moving in, looks like. smoke beginning to fill the air, and it's not smoke from the fires. michael smoke from the wh Smokebombs? continuous artillery. Probably a defensive measure by the tanks. 8 tanks and 45 apc's near wh what about tear-gas?? tanks on soccor field moving in tanks. tanks. moving in. very heavy artillery, peppered with light shots. Tear gas is a good guess. light shots are probably shots fires from the WH french aftp, interfax are reporting. russian prime minister calling on them to surrender. sync. "must surrender their weapons immediately." this is it, guys. the ultimatum. voice of reporter drowned out by the gunfire. camera being rocked by explosions newspapers and blinds on wh they have 700 kalashnikov and rockets ground-ground and ground-air in wh by talks of Rutskoy (Israel) avk:??? people on street i hope avk isnt in the small crowd thats not a good sign Uh oH! michael heh horns of some kind blowing michael heh hehe russians are coming from .su I encourage them to report here I wonder if the US is providing any sort of military assistance to Yeltsin. do /who *.su to find them rik: marines were shown on us embassy Doing anything more than defending the embassy?