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Hi!
well, i'm back for two weeks now, but i don't receive any mails
from this list. the last msg was from Geert from Aug 5. How are 
the boot-disks going, Frank?

jjm

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Juergen Menden wrote:
> well, i'm back for two weeks now, but i don't receive any mails
> from this list. the last msg was from Geert from Aug 5. How are 

Yes, indeed. It was very quite here...

Greetings,

						Geert

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Hi,
Juergen wrote:

> well, i'm back for two weeks now, but i don't receive any mails
> from this list. the last msg was from Geert from Aug 5. How are 
> the boot-disks going, Frank?

Nice to have you back with us, Juergen. In fact the list was very silent
over the last few weeks - call that a summer hole or whatever. :-)

Speaking for myself - I used the last couple of weeks to continue my other
project, a kernel fb driver for several Amiga graphic boards. I'll have to 
spend about one more week on documentation for my professor (I did tell you
this is part of my studies, right?), and after that clean up the code and have
it put out for beta test. 

I didn't do very much Debian stuff, sorry. My Debian installation at
home works quite fine for 6 or so weeks now. I manually added X11R6.1
and some other 'private' stuff, but that's it. I think the next steps
we'll have to do now are:
- Test the Amiga afdisk disk partitioning program
- write a similar fdisk program for the Atari. I think it will be hard
  to merge these two into one, although that would be nicer.
  For those who don't know about the Amiga afdisk: See
  http://www.schokola.de/~stepan/projects.html
  Michael Schlueter (<schlue00@marvin.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>)
  has started hacking on this - anyone willing to help him?
- have the base/base package adapted for m68k. This means it will not
  be in binary-all anymore, but be architecture specific. Leland, any news
  over there? 
- Have the boot-floppies patches integrated by Bruce. Ok, that's my part.
- Wait for Dominik Kubla to release the next update of the kbd package.
  Stupid me forgot one fix in src/getfd.c - Atari keyboards respond to
  KBGKBDTYPE with a different type than Amiga/PC keyboards. :-}

If all this is done, we might start a first semi-public beta test - I think
at least everyone on this list should try to use what we have then
to install the base system on his machine and report problems to the list.

After that, we'll need to test those lots and lots of .deb packages that
(mostly) Leland has produced so bravely over the last weeks. :-) I don't
expect too much problems, but I think considering the time in which he
uploaded packages, he wasn't able to test each of them thoroughly.

Another step is then to wait for the next official release of XFree86/68
and debianize that one. Right now I think we have some binary packages
under x11/, but these are sort-of 'patchwork' instead of being created
in the 'official' way - not sure though. Does anyone know if there are
just diffs for XFree86-3.1.2 for the current version? rex/source/x11
only contains the complete package, and it would be hard to extract
the Debian specific changes from that one.

Well, that's all I can think of right now - and I hope you already
managed to fight through your mail, Juergen :-).

Frank

PS: Did you all see we now have XForms 0.81 for m68k? 

comp.os.linux.m68k:
>From: zhao@laue.phys.uwm.edu (T.C. Zhao)
>Subject: XForms - X GUI toolkit and builder - for linux/m68k
[..]
>XForms V0.81 for Linux/m68k (2.0.15 ELF) is available from
>
>http://bragg.phys.uwm.edu/xforms
>ftp://laue.phys.uwm.edu/pub/xforms

This means we now also have Lyx (my machine should have finished compiling
it in the meantime).


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Hello, folks...I recently got a hold of an A1200 with an 50 mHz '030 CSA 
12 gauge in it, and would like to put linux on it, and help work on the 
debian dist.  Have you folks gotten debian 1.1 (more or less) working?  
any suggestions/hints?  Also, will the SCSI on the CSA be recognized by 
any current kernel?  thanks folks...
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Frank Neumann wrote:
> 
> - have the base/base package adapted for m68k. 

what's the problem with this? 

> - Wait for Dominik Kubla to release the next update of the kbd package.
>   Stupid me forgot one fix in src/getfd.c - Atari keyboards respond to
>   KBGKBDTYPE with a different type than Amiga/PC keyboards. :-}

i've just a minute ago sent a patch to maintonly@bugs. but what
i don't know is, why does the atari have a different kb type?

> If all this is done, we might start a first semi-public beta test - I think
> at least everyone on this list should try to use what we have then
> to install the base system on his machine and report problems to the list.

ok. i've installed a mirror of most of binary-{all,m68k} at home,
so i have a farly recent installation of debian. no problems so far.
i'll check the whole fs for old non-debian files the next days.

> Another step is then to wait for the next official release of XFree86/68
> and debianize that one.

would be nice. even though i work completely without X11 at home.
(X11 with only black and white dots without even grayscales is
really ugly :-)

> Well, that's all I can think of right now - and I hope you already
> managed to fight through your mail, Juergen :-).

at least. :-)

> PS: Did you all see we now have XForms 0.81 for m68k? 

yes, see my other mail.

jjm

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here is it! xforms for m68k as debian package.
well, i have no X11 installed, so someone other might
want to check?

jjm

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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:40:43 +0200 (MET DST)
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Subject: xforms for both architectures!

Could anyone with an m68k machine please check if the packages work? There's
no real change to the i386 version except the maintainer.

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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:03:18 +0200
Source: xforms
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Architecture: i386
Version: 0.81-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Michael Meskes <meskes@debian.org>
Description: 
 xforms     - GUI Toolkit for X Window Systems
 xforms-dev - GUI Toolkit for X Window Systems
Changes: 
 xforms (0.81-3) unstable; urgency=LOW
 .
   * New maintainer after this release
   * A m68k version is included
Files: 
 8af858db84bac8efaef1da56546abd02 160162 contrib optional xforms_0.81-3_i386.deb
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:03:18 +0200
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Michael Meskes <meskes@debian.org>
Description: 
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Changes: 
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 .
   * New maintainer after this release
   * A m68k version is included
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Hi,
Juergen wrote:

> > - have the base/base package adapted for m68k. 
> 
> what's the problem with this? 

Well, we had agreed on removing all those /dev entries we're never going
to need on m68k, right? Like those isdn nodes, Cyclades network driver
or whatever - there's lots of them. Likewise, i386 folks won't want to
see fb device entries in there.

Also, the /dev/MAKEDEV script will have to be adapted accordingly so that
it can create 'our' nodes.

> > - Wait for Dominik Kubla to release the next update of the kbd package.
> >   Stupid me forgot one fix in src/getfd.c - Atari keyboards respond to
> >   KBGKBDTYPE with a different type than Amiga/PC keyboards. :-}
> 
> i've just a minute ago sent a patch to maintonly@bugs. but what
> i don't know is, why does the atari have a different kb type?

Don't ask me - historic reasons? :-)
arch/m68k/atari/atakeyb.c, line 772:
    /* say that we don't have an AltGr key */
    mach_keyboard_type = KB_84;

> > Another step is then to wait for the next official release of XFree86/68
> > and debianize that one.
> 
> would be nice. even though i work completely without X11 at home.
> (X11 with only black and white dots without even grayscales is
> really ugly :-)

Ugly? Hmm..well, I don't need colo(u)rs all the time, and X in monochrome is
much faster than X in 8/32bpp. :-)

Frank


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Hi,
ALlan Anderson wrote:

> Hello, folks...I recently got a hold of an A1200 with an 50 mHz '030 CSA 
> 12 gauge in it, and would like to put linux on it, and help work on the 
> debian dist.  Have you folks gotten debian 1.1 (more or less) working?  
> any suggestions/hints?  Also, will the SCSI on the CSA be recognized by 
> any current kernel?  thanks folks...

I do run a (manually tweaked) Debian 1.1 system (sort of), but it's not
yet ready for release, although we seem to get closer. If you want to
help, you can start compiling and testing packages that are not yet in
the archives. If you're new to Debian, I'd recommend first reading the
guidelines, Ian Jackson's 'Policy' and 'Programmer's Manual', and
asking for a login on master.debian.org, where packages are uploaded
to initially.

As for the CSA Derringer - no, it's not supported by the current kernels,
and I have no idea how much work it will be to write a driver for it or
modify an existing driver. I even don't know what SCSI host adapter chip
is on that board.

Frank

PS: Maybe a good starting point for you would then really be to first
install a cross compiler under AmigaDOS and try to write a driver for
the CSA..


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> > would be nice. even though i work completely without X11 at home.
> > (X11 with only black and white dots without even grayscales is
> > really ugly :-)
> 
> Ugly? Hmm..well, I don't need colo(u)rs all the time, and X in monochrome is
> much faster than X in 8/32bpp. :-)
The 'real' reason that folks run X is to have lots of little Xterms open, 
isn't it?  What's this colour thing? :)


