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This would be nice for at least two things:

  - the existence of the file could be tested in order to know that we
    are on a Debian system (config.guess for example could take advantage
    of this fact);

  - this file could contain useful info like the release of the installed
    Debian distribution, etc.

Yves.

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mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu (Michael Alan Dorman)  wrote on 31.05.96 in <m0uPUCR-0002AqC@lot49.med.miami.edu>:

> I used to not like the notion of things relying on the "kernel-image" or
> "image" packages, because it always seemed (though may not have been, I
> admit) to be a very daunting task to compile a custom kernel in that
> fashion.
>
> I am definitely a convert.  Kudos to Manoj for some excellent work.

I don't normally like me-too's, but I feel this is a place for an  
exception, so ...

<AOLmode>

Me too!

</AOLmode>

MfG Kai

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ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)  wrote on 31.05.96 in <m0uPTYr-0002XXC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>:

> Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Bug#3013: elvis is too granular and has short
> description"): ...

> > I also think it'd be silly to only provide the X11 version, which
> > currently depends on X11R6 and elf-x11r6lib.
>
> Why ?  There are already two perfectly good vi's which don't require X
> libs.

Another why: I seem to remember there was a decision some time back to do  
exactly this for programs that could run with and without X (like gs, for  
example).

The argument, IIRC, was that the X libs are already in the base system,  
because they are reasonably small (whatever that means), so you don't  
really buy anything by not depending on them.

Is there something here I don't understand?

MfG Kai

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Hi folks,

I'll upload the next release of super later.

 Format: 1.5
 Date: Wed May 29 00:00:19 MET DST 1996
 Package: super
 Version: 3.9.7-2
 Section: admin
 Priority: extra
 Distribution: unstable
 Source: super
 Binary: super
 Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.north.de>
 Description: Execute commands setuid root
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super-3.9.7-2.i386.deb      56228 binary/admin
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Regards,

	Joey

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Good night folks!

I'll upload the first release of xfractint later.  Xfractint is a
fractal generation program.  Xfractint draws a wide variety of
fractals.  Xfractint isa port of the IBM PC program fractint.

 Date: Fri May 31 22:28:15 MET DST 1996
 Package: xfractint
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Have a pleasant day,

	Joey

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Good night folks!

I'll upload the first release of xwpick later.  Xwpick lets you pick
an image from an arbitrary window or rectangular area of an X11-server
and write it to a file in a variety of formats.

As permission to use and distribute this software and its
documentation is only granted without fee for non-commercial purpose
it has to go into the non-free secteion.

 Date: Thu May 30 10:51:52 MET DST 1996
 Package: xwpick
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Have a pleasant day,

	Joey

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On 31 May 1996, Mark Eichin wrote:

> but if someone will recommend a way to identify the vendor reliably
> (perhaps running sed on /etc/issue?

debian has /etc/debian_version, contents are '1.1'

redhat has /etc/redhat-release, contents are 'release 3.0.3 (Picasso)'


Guy

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Good night folks!

I'll upload the first release of xarclock later.  The program is an
extension of the standard X clock widget.  New features are:
Configurable direction of rotation and font support in
analog mode.

If clocks had been invented in Argentina (southern hemisphere), they
would run anti-clockwise. Down there a sundial runs the other way
around!

 Date: Wed May 29 22:52:16 MET DST 1996
 Package: xarclock
 Version: 1.0-1
 Section: x11
 Priority: extra
 Binary: xarclock
 Source: xarclock
 Distribution: unstable
 Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org>
 Description: Extended xclock

xarclock-1.0-1.i386.deb     13414 binary/x11
xarclock-1.0-1.diff.gz       4763 source/x11
xarclock-1.0-1.tar.gz       15960 source/x11

4abcd653eb9d08e2ddc5e12e4d44ba7a  xarclock-1.0-1.i386.deb
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480749aa3890e28b31f2cc202d131114  xarclock-1.0-1.tar.gz

Have a pleasant day,

	Joey

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Good night folks!

I'll upload the first release of xdaliclock later.  The xdaliclock
program displays a digital clock; when a digit changes, it "melts"
into its new shape.

It can display in 12 or 24 hour modes, and displays the date when a
mouse button is held down.  It has two large fonts built into it, but
it can animate most other fonts that contain all of the digits.  It
can also do some funky psychedelic colormap cycling, and can use the
"shape" extension so that the window is shaped like the digits.

 Date: Wed May 29 23:34:27 MET DST 1996
 Package: xdaliclock
 Version: 2.06-1
 Section: x11
 Priority: extra
 Binary: xdaliclock
 Source: xdaliclock
 Distribution: unstable
 Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org>
 Description: Melting digital clock

xdaliclock-2.06-1.i386.deb   27436 binary/x11
xdaliclock-2.06-1.diff.gz    2057 source/x11
xdaliclock-2.06-1.tar.gz    43400 source/x11

eaaf724f27097463711e2a536f2692f4  xdaliclock-2.06-1.i386.deb
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Have a pleasant day,

	Joey

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Good night folks!

I'll upload the first release of fractxtra later. FractXtra contains
a large set of parameter files for xfractint.

 Date: Tue May 28 23:55:40 MET DST 1996
 Package: fractxtra
 Version: 5.0-1
 Section: non-free
 Priority: extra
 Binary: fractxtra
 Source: fractxtra
 Distribution: unstable
 Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.north.de>
 Depends: xfractint
 Description: Fractint Extras Collection

fractxtra-5.0-1.all.deb    254823 binary/non-free
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Have a pleasant day,

	Joey

PS: If you're ever in the need of retrieving new packages that I
maintain that don't appear on the main ftp archives, you might
find them in my pub dir at ftp.infodrom.north.de in
/pub/people/joey/debian/.

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On 31 May 1996 srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu wrote:

> :: Manoj, Could you seriously consider making the tar.gz file upload
> :: in the current directory, not in ./linux? It's painful to have to
> :: move a linux link to point to my various kernel sources (I do
> :: have some...) just to unpack your really nice package.
> 
:::::::
> 
> 	It may make using this package slightly easier, since then you
> don't need to have ./linux pointing to a valid directory (makes the
> debian.rules rule simpler too).
> 
This is a very good idea!

Dwarf

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On Fri, 31 May 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

>> Our general policy is not to have x and nox versions of things.
>
>I can confirm this. We broke the xlib package out of the rest of X
>so that we could install X-optional programs on non-X systems without
>the need for no-X versions of the packages.

I guess I missed that discussion.

>> Where have we articulated that policy?
>
>It was the consensus of the group some time ago when we made this change.
>It belongs in the develper guidelines.
>
>> In any case, I disagree with it in this case.  I intend to continue to
>> offer both the X11 and non-X11 versions of elvis.
>
>Aw com'on. It's the only X and no-X package pair left in the entirety of
>Debian. All of the rest are gone as far as I can tell.
>
>> The distribution maintainers can choose to reject the offered packages
>> if they so desire.
>
>Lighten up. We're not going to reject the packages, but we might attempt
>to convince you that one of them is redundant.

I'll think about it.  However, I can easily imagine user system
where the user does not wish to run X11, wants a vi editor, and
prefers elvis.  I've been in that precise situation myself.  In
such a situation, installing a 230 Kb elvisx11 executable seems
preferable to installing 1.7 Mb of otherwise unneeded files from
the xlib just package just in order to be able to install and run
the 255 Kb elvisx11 executable without using any of its x11
functionality.

Sorry about the abrupt tone.  I've been rushing replies to email
out over the last several days in batches of 30 messages or so
during 15 minute email-check breaks.  This particular response got
squeezed out during one of those short breaks.

>[...]
>Is Ian still maintaining Emacs? I think it's a good idea to not have
>editors conflict because of ctags. I think we should just make up one
>definitive version of ctags and have the editor packages not install their
>own versions.

He's not.  I got that info from the Maintainer field of the emacs package
I had installed.  There's been a recent maintainer change, and I'm now
in contact with the new maintainer via email.  I expect that we'll quickly
agree on an approach to resolve this long-standing conflict over ctags
between the elvis and emacs packages.

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In message <m0uPeKt-0004qjC@lot49.med.miami.edu>, Michael Alan Dorman writes:
>Furthermore, it contains files that are used by cvsinit when initializing
>a new repository.  These files contain numerous references to
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>who used cvsinit would get error messages when trying to avail him or
>herself of normal cvs functionality.

To clarify:  the 'it' referred to in that first sentence is the directory
/usr/lib/cvs/examples.

Mike.
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>   - the existence of the file could be tested in order to know that we
>     are on a Debian system (config.guess for example could take advantage
>     of this fact);

'dftp' determines this by checking for the existance of /var/lib/dpkg, though
I suppose /usr/bin/dpkg would also be a good choice.

>   - this file could contain useful info like the release of the installed
>     Debian distribution, etc.

I'm not sure off hand if this would be much use.  Since packages can so
easily be upgraded, a single version number probably wouldn't help much.
My system would still say "0.96" even though I don't think there is a
single "stable" package anywhere.

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I would prefer that programs that test for debian use /var/lib/dpkg/status .
The presence of this file implies that you can use the facilities of
"dpkg" to determine the versions of various packages. I prefer this
fine-granularity method to simply storing "1.1" in /etc/debian because
many systems will be updated in a piecemal fashion.

Someone please put this Q&A in a FAQ.

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	Bruce
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> >> Our general policy is not to have x and nox versions of things.
> >
> >I can confirm this. We broke the xlib package out of the rest of X
> >so that we could install X-optional programs on non-X systems without
> >the need for no-X versions of the packages.

Could we add a a few lines to the "xlib" description stating that this
package is necessary on both X and non-X installations as well as the
reason why?

I think having a "(for both X and non-X systems)" in the single-line
description would also be a good idea.

It should probably also be moved out of the "x11" directory and into
"base" or something.  Otherwise, if somebody avoids the "x11" section
altogether, dependancy problems will arise.

                                        Brian
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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Brian C. White wrote:

> Could we add a a few lines to the "xlib" description stating that this
> package is necessary on both X and non-X installations as well as the
> reason why?
> 
> I think having a "(for both X and non-X systems)" in the single-line
> description would also be a good idea.

I don't particularly want to add to the single line description, but I can
certainly add a note to the extended description that xlib may be required
by some programs which have both X and non-X modes. 

> It should probably also be moved out of the "x11" directory and into
> "base" or something.  Otherwise, if somebody avoids the "x11" section
> altogether, dependancy problems will arise.

I think it should stay in the x11 directory. People who need it will
download it; I expect most people will be working from complete copies of
the archive anyway, or fetching the bits that they need automatically by
ftp. 

Steve Early
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I believe that the right thing to do is either to have the 'rmt' executable
be provided as part of the tar package (not with cpio, as Brian Mays proposed
in his reply to this bug report, since tar is a base package and cpio is not),
or it should be kept as part of a separate package.  The more I think about it,
the more I favor the latter.

Brian and I have exchanged email about rmt being with tar instead of cpio,
and he asked whether 'mt' should then become part of the tar package as well.
It's not clear to me that this aggregation of mt with a particular archiver
makes any sense.  Opinions?

The more I think about it, the more I like the notion that rmt be part of a
package with or without mt that is suggested by tar and cpio.  It's not
essential for either, it's not necessary for rmt/mt to be present in a base
system, and yet it also makes no sense to force someone to install a cpio
package if all they want is the rmt executable to use with tar, dump, or
something else that knows how to use it.

Thoughts?

Bdale

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Package: emacs
Version: 19.30-1

bash# dpkg -S bin/ctags
emacs: /usr/bin/ctags
bash# type ctags
ctags is /usr/bin/ctags
bash# ls *.c
brac.c	    edit.c	jump.c	    mark.c	output.c    signal.c
ch.c	    filename.c	lesskey.c   mkhelp.c	position.c  tags.c
charset.c   forwback.c	line.c	    optfunc.c	prompt.c    ttyin.c
cmdbuf.c    help.c	linenum.c   option.c	regexp.c    version.c
command.c   ifile.c	lsystem.c   opttbl.c	screen.c
decode.c    input.c	main.c	    os.c	search.c
bash# ls -ld .
drwxr-xr-x   2 1232     uucp         3072 Jun  1 12:57 .
bash# id
uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
bash# ctags *.c
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
bash#
Script done on Sat Jun  1 13:00:01 1996



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With all the recent changes with how the kernel packages work, has
someone written up a quick explanation of what to do with them?  I'm
probably not the only one confused.

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Michael and Bill,

I managed to build a version of "ae" that works with the latest ncurses
library. I did it by removing the -DTERMIOS flag from debian.rules when
I built "ae". This localizes the problem to one function that performs
line input for "ae". I will use this to build the boot floppies (I
bumped the "ae" revision to -5). I would greatly appreciate if you guys
would figure out if the problem is in "ae" or ncurses and take the
appropriate action. Bill, if you upload "ae" please make it -6 or higher.

	Many Thanks

	Bruce
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Bruce Perens AB6YM          Bruce@Pixar.com            http://www.hams.com/

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Package: linuxdoc-sgml
Version: 1.5-2

(To linuxdoc-sgml people: this is a copy of a bug I'm reporting
 against Debian's linuxdoc-sgml package; if you reply CC debian-bugs
 please keep the `Bug#nnnn' or `Re: Bug#nnnn' in the Subject.  Note
 that debian-bugs stuff ends up on our debian-devel mailing list.

 To debian-devel and the package maintainer: I think that most of
 these problems are upstream ones; some may require considerable
 effort to fix, so I'm causing the bug system to CC the linuxdoc-sgml
 mailing list.

 Everyone: Please think about trimming recipients's when replying.)

I've written a part of the new dpkg programmers' manual in
linuxdoc-sgml, and I've come across a number of problems.  Since the
SGML source file so far is only 8K when compressed and uuencoded I've
attached it (after all, the message is 6K without it ...)

It's possible that many of the problems I'm describing are
misunderstandings on my part, in which case I apologise.  I would
point out though that the documentation (guide.sgml) is quite sketchy
and fails to format correctly anyway (looking at the HTML version
installed in the Debian package).

1. There is no tag meaning `this is a metasyntactic variable in an
example', a la <VAR> in HTML.  I've used <IT> for now but this is
obviously suboptimal.  I tried adding a VAR tag to the DTD and seeing
if I could still run the document through at least sgmlcheck by
essentially copying `em' both times it appeared (see my attached
patch), but got a cryptic error message (wrapped by me):
 sgmls: SGML error at /usr/lib/linuxdoc-sgml/dtd/linuxdoc.dtd,
        line 184 in declaration parameter 4:
        Content model token 97: more than GRPGTCNT
         content model tokens; terminated
 sgmls: SGML error at /usr/lib/linuxdoc-sgml/dtd/linuxdoc.dtd,
        line 186 at "<":
        Invalid character(s) ignored; attempting to resume
         DOCTYPE subset
At this point I decided I was well out of my depth and gave up.

I think the <VAR> tag should produce angle brackets (like <this>) in
text and info, <VAR> in HTML and italics in PostScript.  It should
produce \fI in manpages and probably other groffish contexts.

If someone would like to point me in roughly the right direction, or
even better demonstrate to me how to add a tag to the DTD and get it
recognised by all the backends, I'd be much obliged.

2. The <verb> tag doesn't appear to allow you to change font.  The
<quote> tag doesn't appear to follow your own linewrapping.  This
means that there's no way of getting an example laid out as you
present it, but with metasyntactic variables in italics or angle
brackets or whatever and typed text in a fixed-width font.

3. The info formatting is screwed up if you have section headings with
<tt> parts.  That info can't deal with `' in node names is a
deficiency of info which the GNU people know about, but linuxdoc-sgml
should work around it by stripping out the `' when they appear in a
node name.

4. There are unpredictable gaps around <tscreen><verb> blocks.  There
should either be no gap (I would prefer this, or at least like to have
a way to get it) so that you could use them in a running paragraph
              like this
or there should consistently be a gap on both sides or only
afterwards.  (By unpredictable I mean that info produces a gap after,
but HTML a gap on both sides.)  Whether or not there is supposed to be
a gap should be documented; if some of the output formats can't do it
(eg HTML) then fair enough.

5. The cross-referencing mechanism is rendered so differently in all
the output formats that I tried that it's practically impossible to
think of text that's suitable for putting around the <ref...> and in
the name="...".  I'd like to see some markup with which I could
produce:
  see also <A href="...">section 2.3 on wombats</A>.  (HTML)
  see also section 2.3 on wombats (page 23).          (PostScript)
  see also section 2.3 on wombats (line 200).         (Text)
  see also *Note: wombats.                            (Info)
Perhaps I can already do this.  If so then I'd like to see it
documented :-).

6. There are several other oddities with the info formatting.
(a) Right at the start of programmer.info I see:
    \input texinfo
(b) All the bits where I said <em> have come out with `' round them.
    I think something like *this* or _this_ would be more
    appropriate.
(c) List headings (<descrip> <tag> HERE </tag> have `' round them too.
    Is this really appropriate ?
(d) The filename heading before the first node lists a file in /tmp.
    I don't know if this is fixable, but it would be nice if it said
    that the thing came originally from programmer.sgml or whatever.
(f) When formatting using sgml2info I see:
    Making info file `programmer.info' from `/tmp/sgml2info15281tmp2'.
    /tmp/sgml2info15281tmp2:73: Misplaced `{'.
    /tmp/sgml2info15281tmp2:75: Misplaced `}'.

7. There are some oddities with the text formatting.
(a) The table of contents has some mangled entries, possibly it too
    cannot cope with <tt> inside a heading.
(b) The title page/screen/thing is quite cheesy.  A bit more
    whitespace, and having some of it centred and/or underlined (ie
    with a seperate row of characters) would be better.
(c) <em> doesn't show up at all.  How about *this* ?
(d) Section headings come *after* the relevant paragraph !  They also
    don't stand out at all.  Perhaps this is due to my failure to use
    <P> after section headings.  Why can't the SGML parser infer this
    ?  I thought SGML was supposed to be good at that kind of thing.
(e) Footnotes have a rather odd format; it looks deliberate, though.
    I presume there's no better way to do this ?  It would be good at
    least to leave footnotes until after the end of the paragraph.
(f) Cross-references come out with ``'' around them.  Why ?
(g) Using <tscreen> inside a <descrip> resets the indenting.  I
    presume this is very hard to fix.
(h) The existence of a paragraph break after <descrip> entries is
    unpredictable.

8. There was one oddity with the HTML formatting: my section headings
come out with the following paragraph attached.  Interestingly, I can
see from the HTML that is generated that it has spotted the end of the
heading, but it has only put the </A> there and not the </H2>.

I hope noone minds me making these comments.  I'm trying to be helpful
and constructive by supplying bug reports :-).

Thanks,
Ian.

Attached: the patch I made to the DTD to generate that error message,
and then my uuencoded gzipped source file (sorry, but it's 16K
uncompressed).

--- /usr/lib/linuxdoc-sgml/dtd/linuxdoc.dtd	Fri Apr  5 01:45:51 1996
+++ /usr/src/linuxdoc-sgml-1.5/lib/dtd/linuxdoc.dtd	Sun Jun  2 00:49:33 1996
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
       modified from QWERTZ.DTD by Tom Gordon -->

 <!entity % emph
-	" em|it|bf|sf|sl|tt|cparam " >
+	" em|var|it|bf|sf|sl|tt|cparam " >

 <!entity % index "idx|cdx" >

@@ -65,6 +65,7 @@

 <!usemap pmap p>
 <!element em - - (%inline)>
+<!element var - - (%inline)>
 <!element bf - - (%inline)>
 <!element it - - (%inline)>
 <!element sf - - (%inline)>

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Hi!
On Wed, 29 May 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> Hi Anders Chrigstrom
>
> }package: bison
> }version: A2.3
> }
> }The bison man page contains the following reference
> }
> }FILES
> }       /usr/local/lib/bison.simple   simple parser
> }       /usr/local/lib/bison.hairy    complicated parser
> }
> }Whereas the files are in fact contained in
> }/usr/lib/bison.simple
> }/usr/lib/bison.hairy
> }
> }as they should indeed be since bison is in /usr/bin.
>
> Are you going to fix this before the release or shall I make an
> interim release? I don't want to offend you by taking away the
> package, but I want to minimize our bugs.
>

I'm putting together a new package right now. Expect it to be uploaded
real soon.

/Anders


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# dpkg -s man
Package: man
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: doc
Maintainer: Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
Version: 2.3.10-11
Depends: groff, libc5, libgdbm1

Invoking 'mandb -c' calls 'col' which is contained in package
'bsdmainutils'. Since I did not install that package functions such as
'apropos' did not work for me. So I think package 'man' should depend on
'bsdmainutils' or maybe you move 'col' to package bsdutils.

-Peter.

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Package: cron
Version: 3.0pl1-31

Hi, recently my cron.daily/standard script has been failing with:

   find: /nfs/nymph.csi: Permission denied

errors.

I tracked this down to the checksecurity command that gets run as the
last part.

checksecurity goes:

find `mount | grep -vE ' type (proc|msdos|iso9660) |^/dev/fd| on /mnt' \
	| cut -d ' ' -f 3` \
     -xdev \( -type f -perm +06000 -o -type b -o -type c \) -ls \
  | sort >$TMP

to find some filesystems to check. This is all and well, but it means
it will run the find over any NFS mounted filesystems currently mounted.

This is not a good idea, since this is likely to be slow, and thrash
the NFS server.

The permission denied comes because the script runs as root, and the uid
will be squashed. Presumably this NFS server is not world readable.

My (quick) fix was to patch checksecurity thus:

------------------------------------------------------------
--- /home/and1000/t/foo	Sun Jun  2 12:58:08 1996
+++ /usr/sbin/checksecurity	Sun Jun  2 12:58:11 1996
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 umask 077
 cd /

-find `mount | grep -vE ' type (proc|msdos|iso9660) |^/dev/fd| on /mnt' \
+find `mount | grep -vE ' type (proc|msdos|iso9660|nfs) |^/dev/fd| on /mnt' \
 	| cut -d ' ' -f 3` \
      -xdev \( -type f -perm +06000 -o -type b -o -type c \) -ls \
   | sort >$TMP
------------------------------------------------------------

However, it is possible that you may want to check some NFS server. A
better test would be to ignore nfs servers mounted read only.

Austin

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Package: xonix
Version: 1.4-2

I've been recently investigating the permissions on /var/lib/games,
and there seems to be a lack of consensus about what its permissions
need to be.

Xonix is the worst offender, making /var/lib/games with permissions:

 drwxr-xrwx root/root         0 Feb  5 21:10 1996 var/lib/games/

This is a *very* bad idea.  If xonix is the first game installed, then
/var/lib/games will be created world writable!

This needs to be fixed in xonix now, but also a policy decision needs
to be made as to what the correct permissions on /var/lib/games should
be (see my other bug report).

Austin

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In article <m0uQAj0-000PaUC@gretel.pregler.priv.at> you write:
># dpkg -s man
>Package: man
>Status: install ok installed
>Priority: important
>Section: doc
>Maintainer: Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
>Version: 2.3.10-11
>Depends: groff, libc5, libgdbm1
>
>Invoking 'mandb -c' calls 'col' which is contained in package
>'bsdmainutils'. Since I did not install that package functions such as
>'apropos' did not work for me. So I think package 'man' should depend on
>'bsdmainutils' or maybe you move 'col' to package bsdutils.

Thanks for your bug report; I've reassigned it to the man package.

Alvar, can you make the change, please?

Austin

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Package: base
Version: 1.1.0-2

/var/lib/games isn't created in the current set of base discs. It
probably should be, in order to enforce some sort of system wide
policy concerning the permissions of this directory.

At the moment, the first package which creates the directory sets its
permissions:

mirrormagic-1.3-2.deb              drwxrwsr-x root/games
maelstrom-1.4.1-L6-3.deb           drwxr-xr-x root/root
xtet42-2.02-2.deb                  drwxr-xr-x root/root
xonix-1.4-2.deb                    drwxr-xrwx root/root
nethack-3.1.3-2.deb                drwxr-xr-x root/daemon
xpat2-1.04-1.deb                   drwxr-xr-x root/root
xsok-1.01-1.deb                    drwxr-xr-x root/root

My permissions have somehow got to drwx------ games/root, which makes
most things barf.

The Guidelines document doesn't seem to say anything about the
permissions. The FSSTND FAQ has nothing to offer either. The FSSTND
itself doesn't suggest permissions for the directory.

Can we come to a consensus over the permissions for this directory,
and then have this directory created by the base discs?

I would suggest:

  drwxrwx--- games/games

and then make all games setuid games or setgid games (with preference
to being setgid).

Comments?
[Note: this is being filed as a bug report against the base package]

Austin

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I try to study locale and nls support in Debian.

I think, a "libc5-nls" may be a good idea to provide
locale(1), localedef(1) and the libc5 message
catalogs in Dutch, French and German.

It's just a "make programs" in libc5/locale and
a "make fr nl de" in libc5/nls.

If Debian want to have locale, we need in fact this two
programs.

What do you think about that?

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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

>I managed to build a version of "ae" that works with the latest ncurses
>library. I did it by removing the -DTERMIOS flag from debian.rules when
>I built "ae". This localizes the problem to one function that performs
>line input for "ae". I will use this to build the boot floppies (I
>bumped the "ae" revision to -5). I would greatly appreciate if you guys
>would figure out if the problem is in "ae" or ncurses and take the
>appropriate action. Bill, if you upload "ae" please make it -6 or higher.

As it happens, I recently uploaded a -5 version.

However, I'll be uploading a -6 version shortly which seems to successfully
avoid this problem by calling raw() and noraw() instead of manipulating
the term.c_lflag flag bits.


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To: sr1@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Sven Rudolph)
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Sven Rudolph writes:
> While the guidelines don't mention this case I don't like to see
> binary-only packages in the regular distribution. An important part of
> the Debian notion of free, the availability of source code, isn't
> given; therefore I suggest to put your package into non-free.

I cannot agree here. I don't think a package should be name non-free just
because it's source isn't available. I think non-free should (and does) mean
that the package (that is the binary) is not free to be distributed 

> I think you should release a source package containing only the
> scripts necessary to build the binary package and a pointer to the
> original binary archive. 

Good idea. But without a diff file it looks like an original Debian package.

> Reason: If a new version of the original archive appears someone
> else can package it. Or you might have some error in the
> debian.control file, e.g. a wrong dependency. When the packaging files
> are available everyone can fix it without having to recreate them.
> This won't happen often, but it might be necessary.

You got a point with this.

> (From this reasoning I cannot conclude why the source package needn't
> contain the whole binary ...)

At first I agreed with this, too. But thinking about it this would make the
source package architecture dependend. Not really a good idea.

Michael

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First, let me thank you for your efforts in this reguard. However, if you
are planning a new release of psutils we need to talk further. I have not
yet decided whether this is indeed a bug. 

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Please find enclosed a patch to make psutils work with /etc/papersize. I
> used something I already use for a2ps, but please not the following points:
> 
>   - the libpaper library, which is rather crude, will be released next
>     week only (as soon as I get the right to upload on the Debian archive);

Please don't do this. If you wish to maintain a package there are several
orphaned ones that could use your attention.

>     I can email it to you if you want;
> 
>   - the changes are documented in the debian.Changelog;
> 
>   - contrarily to whoever posted a bug report for psutils not using /etc/
>     papersize, I don't think it should always use it (which is what it does
>     here). In my opinion, the tools should use /etc/papersize when they
>     output something new (for example when one resize, the destination paper
>     should be the one in /etc/papersize), not in the other cases: if I
>     say 'psnup -2 somefile.ps' and somefile.ps has a %%BoundingBox: or
>     a %%DocumentPaperSize: comment, the paper size should be got from
>     there; in addition, if a specific page has a %%PaperSize:,
>     %%BeginPaperSize: (or %%BeginFeature: *PageSize, %%BeginFeature:
>     *PageRegion or an equivalent %%IncludeFeature: comment), then the size
>     for this specific page (and following if appropriate) may be changed
>     there;
> 
> Anyway, maybe this diff may prove useful to provide some basic support
> for /etc/papersize.
> 
> I'd like to see these changes forwarded to Angus J. C. Duggan. Would you
> do that (after eventually discussing the changes with me), or may I do
> it myself?

I would much rather changes of this kind come from upstream. You are more
than welcome to submit your changes to Angus.

If you can find an address for Angus please let me know what it is. I have
been unable to locate such.

I would be happy to support your efforts to incorporate /etc/papersize in
the psutils package, I just think it should come from upstream. Also,
there are easier ways of dealing with this issue, that don't enclude
adding another dependency/conflict difficulty to yet another package.
Since all the utilities provide paper size parameters on the command line,
the user is encouraged to write simple shell scripts for each of the
classes of psutils jobs that user needs to perform. These scripts may use
/etc/papersize or some other method for controling these parameters. It is
my understanding that this is the way these utilities were intended to be
used.

I have posted this back to debian-devel to see what the rest of the folks
think. I would appreciate some feedback on this.

Thanks,

Dwarf

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Hi,
>>"Richard" == Richard Kaszeta <kaszeta@me.umn.edu> writes:

Richard> With all the recent changes with how the kernel packages
Richard> work, has someone written up a quick explanation of what to
Richard> do with them?  I'm probably not the only one confused.

	Now I'm confused ;-). Which kernel package are you talking
about? (At last count, there were kernel-image-X.XX,
kernel-headers-X.XX, kernel-source-X.XX and kernel-package).

	Assuming you are talking about the kernel package packaging
scripts packaged in kernel-package ;-0, (kernel-package contains a set
of files that enable you to get a raw kernel sources file from Linus's
site (or wherever you get raw sources from), and then proceed to
compile your own kernel-image-X.XX package).

	To paraphrase what Michael Alan Dorman said:
  1) cd /tmp
  2) ncftp tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/system/v1.3/linux-pre2.0.10.tar.gz
  3) tar xvzf linux-pre2.0.10.tar.gz
  4) ncftp \
     ftp.debian.org:/debian/private/project/Incoming/kernel-package-1.02.tar.gz
  5) cd linux
  6) tar xvzf ../kernel-package-1.02.tar.gz 
  7) make config
  8) ./debian.rules kernel_image
  9) cd .. 
 10) dpkg --install kernel-image-1.99.9-0.i386.deb

A variant: 
  1) cd /usr/src
  2) ncftp tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/system/v1.3/linux-pre2.0.10.tar.gz
  3) tar xvzf linux-pre2.0.10.tar.gz
  4) mv linux kernel-sources-1.99.10
  5) ln -s kernel-sources-1.99.10 linux
  6) ncftp \
       ftp.debian.org:/debian/private/project/Incoming/kernel-package-1.02.deb
  7) dpkg -BRGiE kernel-package-1.02.deb
  8) cd linux
  9) tar xvzf ../kernel-package-1.02.tar.gz 
 10) make config
 11) ./debian.rules kernel_image
 12) cd .. 
 13) dpkg --install kernel-image-1.99.9-0.i386.deb

	Is this what you wanted to know? The tar file
kernel-package-1.02.tar.gz contains documentation in the file
./debian/package.doc, which explains this in more detail. (If you use
variant 2 and install kernel-package-1.02.deb, then the docs should be
in /usr/doc/kernel-package after step 7 above).

	manoj
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A question about the symbolic links for the libraries:

I learnt some time ago from the libc/ld.so release notes that it's 
necessary to have links from libfoo.so to libfoo.so.x.y (besides the
usual libfoo.so.x -> libfoo.so.x.y links). They had to be created manually
for ELF systems.

Is this still true? If no, I had to re-upload some packages...

David
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The RMS troubles have started me wondering whether Debian itself is really
freely redistributable.  The Debian policy is to make sure that packages are
only included when their copyright makes it clear that they (i.e., the
original package in question) are freely redistributable (in the case of the
main tree) or at least freely available.

It seems to me, though, that the Debian packages themselves (e.g., *.deb)
files are derivatives that the package maintainers hold a (so far implicit)
copyright on.  And, as far as I can tell, very few of these packages/files
actually contain an explicit release (e.g., "I place my debian.* files and
other modifications under the GPL").

To me, part of the important "checks and balances" implied by the GPL is that
anyone who decides for some reason that the "official" branch of GPL'ed
software 'foobaz' is unacceptable is able to fork their own branch (e.g.,
XEmacs).  One result of this is to create a sort of marketplace--that is, if
the official maintainer of 'foobaz' is unable or unwilling to be sufficiently
responsive to its user community, someone else can start working on it,
without having to start from scratch.

With all due respect to our fearless leaders and package contributors, I feel
like this is an important property for Debian as a whole to have.  (I, for
one, am not sure I'd be able be able to resist if Mr. Bill offered to buy my
interest for, say, 1/30 of 1% of his net worth.  ;-)

I got here late.  Has this been discussed before?  What's the thinking on it?

Cheers,
--Mike

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Simon did include the NCR 537,8xx driver in his latest kernel package,
however I had to remove it from the boot floppy because it is 1/4 Megabyte
in size and the boot floppy now overflows a 1.44MB disk if I leave it
in place. This driver and several others will be moved to an accessory
"modules floppy".

	Bruce
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I can't remember who is making the bootdisks..., sorry.

Just a note that neither
boot1440.bin (22May1996) nor
1440_boot_floppy-1.99.7-0 (24May1996)

contain NCR53c810 support.

"Generic NCR5380/53c400 SCSI support" (from make config)
does *not* include NCR53c810 support, i.e.
"NCR53c7,8xx SCSI support"            (from make config)
is needed. A loadable module for the bootdevice is of course not sensible.

I already reported this to debian bugs a while ago. No 1.1 release had yet
been able to install on a NCR53c810 SCSI-only system without a hand-made
bootdisk! I yet received two requests for such a bootdisk image.

Nils


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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> Sven Rudolph writes:
> > While the guidelines don't mention this case I don't like to see
> > binary-only packages in the regular distribution. An important part of
> > the Debian notion of free, the availability of source code, isn't
> > given; therefore I suggest to put your package into non-free.
> 
> I cannot agree here. I don't think a package should be name non-free just
> because it's source isn't available. I think non-free should (and does) mean
> that the package (that is the binary) is not free to be distributed 
> 
You are correct in that free does imply freely distributed, but it also
means that the recipient is free to make modifications and distribute them
as well. The freedom to modify the software is what places source
availability in the requirements list for truely free software.

Note that this concept of free has nothing to do with money. In fact,
copyrights that restrict distribution for sale and profit will force a
package into non-free, as easily as any other distribution restriction. 

As the requirement for source availability is only explicit in the GPL
form of free software copyright, I can see that it might be vague just
what Debian's policy is on this. I would tend to be conservative on this
issue, but Bruce P. is the final arbiter of these issues.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Christophe Le Bars writes:
 > 
 > I try to study locale and nls support in Debian.
 > 
 > I think, a "libc5-nls" may be a good idea to provide
 > locale(1), localedef(1) and the libc5 message
 > catalogs in Dutch, French and German.
 > 
 > What do you think about that?

Please, do that!
Yves.

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Package: xfractint
Version: 3.02-1

You're unable to load a file which is inside a directory with a name
longer than stupid DOS restriction - xfractint simply cuts the
name and doesn't prolongue it again.

Regards,

	Joey

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I would put the binary-only packages in "contrib". We can't give the user
any means to assure that binary-only packages are free of trojan-horses,
etc., so I don't think they should be given the same status as the usual
Debian software. Not having the source available goes against the philosophy
of the rest of the system, of course, so placing the package in "contrib"
would indicate that as well.

	Bruce
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I try to study a Debian package for locale...
Is there somebody working on the subject?

I have severals questions...

First, what must we put in this package?
	- the character map definition files? (2742Ko)
		(maybe only ISO* charmap? (433Ko))
	- the source collection of locale definition files? (1533Ko)
	- the compiled collection of locale definition files...? yes, of course! (495Ko) 
	(languages supported are:
da_DK,de_AT,de_BE,de_CH,de_DE,de_LU,en_CA,en_DK,en_GB,en_IE,en_US,es_ES,et_EE,
fi_FI,fo_FO,fr_BE,fr_CA,fr_FR,fr_CH,fr_LU,gr_GR,hr_HR,hu_HU,is_IS,it_IT,iw_IL,
kl_GL,lt_LT,lv_LV,nl_BE,nl_NL,no_NO,pl_PL,pt_PT,ro_RO,ru_RU,sl_SI,sv_FI,sv_SE    )		

Second, I've not seen lot's of things in the fsstnd-1.2 about
locale... I suggest these paths
	- charmap:		/usr/share/nls/charmap 
	- locales source:	/usr/share/nls/locale 
	- locales compiled:	/usr/lib/locale or /usr/share/locale?

Indeed, we may use "/usr/lib/locale" for the compiled locales
but we must then modify libc5... libc5 is just looking in the
/usr/share/locale directory.

Last, I use the WG15-collection.tar collected by Keld Simonsen (keld@dkuug.dk)
from the DKUUG on behalf of the ISO POSIX WG, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15.

I think we should use something like "WG15.??" for the original version and
"locale" for the package name. But i haven't seen anything to ordering
the version number... no special date, no special number... Any idea?

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From: Mike Coleman <coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu>
> It seems to me, though, that the Debian packages themselves (e.g., *.deb)
> files are derivatives that the package maintainers hold a (so far implicit)
> copyright on.

We publish a copyright statement with each Debian package. In each package,
we have honored the copyright of the original author and we have placed
the entire package under that copyright, including the Debian modifications.

We can not, and will not, stop anyone who wants to distribute Debian from
doing so.

	Bruce
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Package: (ftp.debian.org)

The files  debian/indices/Maintainers  and it's gzipped twin contain

	zyxel                Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd@qed.econ.queensu.ca>

I have nothing to do with this package, I think it belongs to Brian C. White.

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[description of kernel-package omitted]
>	Is this what you wanted to know? The tar file
>kernel-package-1.02.tar.gz contains documentation in the file
>./debian/package.doc, which explains this in more detail. (If you use
>variant 2 and install kernel-package-1.02.deb, then the docs should be
>in /usr/doc/kernel-package after step 7 above).

Thnks, that was exactly what I was looking for.

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   Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 13:23 PDT
   From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)

   From: Mike Coleman <coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu>
   > It seems to me, though, that the Debian packages themselves (e.g., *.deb)
   > files are derivatives that the package maintainers hold a (so far implicit)
   > copyright on.

   We publish a copyright statement with each Debian package. In each package,
   we have honored the copyright of the original author and we have placed
   the entire package under that copyright, including the Debian modifications.

I'm assuming that you're talking about /usr/doc/copyright here.  I'm not a
lawyer, but for most of the packages, it doesn't look like anything at all is
being said about the copyright on Debian modifications.

To take an example, the copyright for electric-fence, which you wrote,
says nothing about the copyright Siggy, the current package maintainer, holds
on his modifications.

This does seem like fine hairsplitting; if no one else sees this as a problem,
I'll not worry about it either.

--Mike

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If it ever came to be a problem we could be more explicit about it.

	Bruce
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I think it's almost time to put 1.1 in "pre-CD" state. This means that it's
released for normal users given that they get it via FTP, and not yet OK to
write on a CD. I'd make sure the CD makers know what's going on.

Thoughts?

	Bruce
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Package: sysklogd
Version: 1.3-6

Some time last week I upgraded from sysklogd-1.3-4 to sysklogd-1.3-6. The
upgrade went smoothly, and I did not change any config files.

After the file rotation induced by cron.weekly this morning, logs are written
to the the foobar.0 files instead of to foobar.

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Package: nvi
Version: 1.34-7

I'm not sure if this is a "real" bug or just an unavoidable clash of
policies. All comments welcome.

On a system which is set up so that each user has their own group, it is
usual to have umask 002 so that files the user creates are group
writable. This can result in the following:

dave@chiark:~$ ls -l .exrc
-rw-rw-r--   1 dave     dave           32 Jun  2 22:38 .exrc
dave@chiark:~$ vi foo
[ vi (nvi) starts, giving the following error message ]
/u/dave/.exrc: not sourced: writeable by a user other than the owner.

This is clearly fixed by a quick chmod. But isn't nvi being a little
over-cautious here? vim has no such problem with my group-writable .exrc.

Regards,

Dave
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I just got three upload-rejected emails from Guy Maor's Incoming
processing program for my own packages. The reasons given make
sense (mostly missing .i386. in filenames, one out-of-date dchanges
format I think). Please try to cooperate with Guy and make your
uploads and .changes files match what the script expects to see.
The profit we get from this in the long term will be significant.
No more long waits for packages in Incoming to be processed.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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Subject: Bug#3191: reset(1) doesn't bring an xterm out of alt charset mode
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Package: ncurses
Version: 1.9.9e-1

I noticed that reset(1) doesn't reset an xterm from alternate
character set mode.  Some checking turned up the following:

bash# infocmp xterm | grep is
	is2=\E7\E[r\E[m\E[?7h\E[?1;3;4;6l\E[4l\E8\E>, kbs=^H,
bash# infocmp xterm | grep rs
	rs1=\E7\E[r\E[m\E[?7h\E[?1;3;4;6l\E[4l\E8\E>, sc=\E7,

Adding a \Ec to these initialization strings would fix this, I think.

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Package: netstd
Version: 2.03-1

-chiark:~> time rlogin myrddin -l ijackson
myrddin.chu.cam.ac.uk: Connection refused
Command had non-zero exit status 1
0.03user 0.01system 0:31.06elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (80major+27minor)pagefaults 0swaps
You have new mail in /usr/spool/mail/ian
-chiark:junk> time telnet myrddin login
Trying 131.111.131.23...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
Command had non-zero exit status 1
0.05user 0.01system 0:00.11elapsed 50%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (105major+37minor)pagefaults 0swaps
-chiark:~>

Using strace I can see that it appears to be retrying the call !

Ian.

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Package: ncurses
Version: 1.9.9e-1

root:/root# man reset
Updating index cache for path `/usr/man'. Wait...done.
No manual entry for reset
root:/root# head -8 /usr/man/man1/tset.1
.TH tset 1 ""
.SH NAME
\fBtset\fR - terminal initialization
.SH SYNOPSIS
tset [-IQqrs] [-] [-e \fIch\fR] [-i \fIch\fR] [-k \fIch\fR] [-m
\fImapping\fR] [\fIterminal\fR]
.br
reset [-IQqrs] [-] [-e \fIch\fR] [-i \fIch\fR] [-k \fIch\fR] [-m
\fImapping\fR] [\fIterminal\fR]
.SH DESCRIPTION

I think the NAME field needs to mention reset as well or, alternatively,
tset.1 needs to be linked/symlinked to reset.1.

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> I think it's almost time to put 1.1 in "pre-CD" state. This means that it's
> released for normal users given that they get it via FTP, and not yet OK to
> write on a CD. I'd make sure the CD makers know what's going on.

Fine with me - although I'll still make CDs for people as one-offs.

Does the current root disk support being loaded as an initrd? I'm working
on a modification to mkisofs which will allow me to produce bootable CDs
for machines whose BIOSes support this. This should make a no-floppy
installation possible. I expect to have it ready shortly (after my finals,
which end on Thursday). 

Steve Early
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[I've tried to send messages similar to this to debian-private to add to 
the thread there, but nothing that I've sent since last Thursday has 
appeared. The messages haven't bounced, they have just disappeared. Very 
strange.]

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Ian Jackson wrote:
> Package: netstd
> Version: 2.03-1
>
> -chiark:~> time rlogin myrddin -l ijackson
> myrddin.chu.cam.ac.uk: Connection refused
> Command had non-zero exit status 1
> 0.03user 0.01system 0:31.06elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
> 0inputs+0outputs (80major+27minor)pagefaults 0swaps
> You have new mail in /usr/spool/mail/ian
> -chiark:junk> time telnet myrddin login
> Trying 131.111.131.23...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> Command had non-zero exit status 1
> 0.05user 0.01system 0:00.11elapsed 50%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
> 0inputs+0outputs (105major+37minor)pagefaults 0swaps
> -chiark:~>
>
> Using strace I can see that it appears to be retrying the call !

I'll reassign the bug to libc5. inet/rcmd.c from libc5 uses the
following code which is causing the delay:

if (errno == ECONNREFUSED && timo <= 16) {
        sleep(timo);
        timo *= 2;
        continue;
}

You'll see the same behaviour with every program that uses the rcmd
library function (telnet doesn't use rcmd).

BTW: This is probably more a feature than a bug.


Thanks,

Peter

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> Does the current root disk support being loaded as an initrd?

Not yet tested.

> I'm working on a modification to mkisofs which will allow me to produce
> bootable CDs for machines whose BIOSes support this.

Good.

> This should make a no-floppy installation possible. I expect to have it
> ready shortly (after my finals, which end on Thursday). 

If there's an initrd-capable version of LOADLIN you could test it that
way.

	Bruce
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I think that's prudent. It would be simple enough to stick a trojan
horse in the .exrc .

	Bruce
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> and then make all games setuid games or setgid games (with preference
> to being setgid).
> 

Can all X games be requred setgid games?   If the executable is setuid, it
will not be able to connect to the X server.

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Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> Using strace I can see that it appears to be retrying the call !

Hmm. From what I remember of the original BSD source, yes, it spins
(around a sleep, I think) trying to reconnect on a connection refused,
until an alarm goes off. There's probably some arcane bit of history
behind it... but it should probably just go away :-)

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Package: syslogd
Version: 1.3-2

The shell script "/etc/init.d/sysklogd" refers to the file
"/var/run/syslogd.pid", which doesn't exist on my system -- a newly
installed 1.1 beta.  I edited this to refer to "/var/run/syslog.pid"
instead, which seems to be the correct file.

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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> > I'm working on a modification to mkisofs which will allow me to produce
> > bootable CDs for machines whose BIOSes support this.

Just so you know, the ZIP install worked fine once I figured out that
when you said to put base1_1.tgz onto the disk it had to be in a
subdir of root.  This was kind of a headache.  It looks for
/*/base1_1.tgz.  I also didn't realize that I still had to have the
debian boot disk.  I thought someone had said that it would read the
kernel from any disk you gave it.  I guess I misremembered.

Is there somewhere else you can put the boot stuff that it'll find it?

Anyway, other than that, good job.

--
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> Is there somewhere else you can put the boot stuff that it'll find it?

I'm going to work on the CD install soon. I should make it look for
/linux and /modules.tgz .

> Anyway, other than that, good job.

How about "good job", period. :-)

	Bruce
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Package: modules
Version: 1.3.69k-1

The shell script "/etc/init.d/modules" allows the specification of a
keyword "auto", which means start the kerneld immediately.  This fails
to work, because the "/etc/init.d/kerneld" script refers to "grep",
which is not available at that time.

I ran into this problem while attempting to fix another, separately
reported, bug -- I was trying to get the "serial" module loaded early
enough to prevent errors when "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" was run.  I
assumed that it was the intention that kerneld be running when
0setserial was run, so that the module would be available.

I don't have a good idea how to fix this, other than to move "grep" to
the root file system, or to change the "kerneld" script to not use it.

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Package: kernel-image-1.3.100
Version: 1.3.100-0

The shell script "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" does not run correctly on a
vanilla 1.1 beta installation, because the "serial" module is
unavailable.  This module would be available if "kerneld" were
running, but it is not started until later.

Note that the "auto" keyword in "/etc/modules", which is intended to
allow early start of "kerneld", does not work either; this has been
reported as a separate bug.

I suggest adding "serial" to the default "/etc/modules" until a better
solution can be found.  I worked around the problem by compiling
"serial" into the kernel directly.

I have reported this as a kernel-image bug because I believe it is a
consequence of mis-configuration of the kernel.

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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> > Anyway, other than that, good job.
> 
> How about "good job", period. :-)

That too.  Sorry, didn't mean the obvious implication.

Definitely, good job.

--
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Package: ispell
Version: 3.1.18-11

This seems as if this would likely either the result of a bug in the
ispell or in update-alternatives.  I'm a bit confused about this, since
"grep alternatives /var/lib/dpkg/info/ispell*" didn't find any hits.

Script started on Sun Jun  2 19:52:40 1996
bash# ispell x
Can't open /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash
bash# ls -l  /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           40 May  3 21:53 /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash -> /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash
bash# ls -l /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           29 May 18 19:47 /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash -> /usr/lib/ispell/american.hash
bash# ls -l /usr/lib/ispell/american.hash
ls: /usr/lib/ispell/american.hash: No such file or directory
bash# ls -F /usr/lib/ispell
american.aff	   british.aff	      britishmed+.hash	 default.hash@
americanmed+.hash  british.hash@      default.aff@
bash#
Script done on Sun Jun  2 19:54:15 1996

mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)

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dchanges wouldn't add a "files" section when given only the .deb file,
and I couldn't convince it to use the emacs tgz and diff files (it
said the names were wrong.) Since I had to fix that to get it
processed at all, I tossed in a couple of other fixes. Enjoy.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Date: 03 Jun 96 04:10 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
Source: emacs
Version: 19.31-2
Binary:  emacs
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 emacs: The GNU Emacs editor.
Changes: 
 fix intermittent leading-^@ pty problem
 explicit "source" field to deal with dchanges
 remove GNU/Linux references from debian.README and debian.rules
 tweaked system type back to linux for *compatibility* reasons
Files:
 e5dd57a7f866a91f9b1271112f53d8eb  10377514  -   emacs-19.31-2.tar.gz
 b82abe308a1067bb26868045756bb485  6003  -   emacs-19.31-2.diff.gz
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Date: 03 Jun 96 04:08 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
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Source: emacs
Version: 19.31-2
Binary:  emacs-el
Architecture:  all source
Description: 
 emacs-el: GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files.
Changes: 
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Files:
 e5dd57a7f866a91f9b1271112f53d8eb  10377514  -   emacs-19.31-2.tar.gz
 b82abe308a1067bb26868045756bb485  6003  -   emacs-19.31-2.diff.gz
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=o85P
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Package: procmail
Version: 3.10-4

The regular files stored in "/usr/doc/procmail" have uid 1000 and gid
1000.  Probably they should not.

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Hallo Chris!

}Package: syslogd
}Version: 1.3-2

Take a look at 1.3-{3,4} where this is fixed.

}The shell script "/etc/init.d/sysklogd" refers to the file
}"/var/run/syslogd.pid", which doesn't exist on my system -- a newly
}installed 1.1 beta.  I edited this to refer to "/var/run/syslog.pid"
}instead, which seems to be the correct file.

Regards,

	Joey

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Bruce Perens writes ("Re:  Can we have a /etc/debian in base?"):
> I would prefer that programs that test for debian use /var/lib/dpkg/status .
> The presence of this file implies that you can use the facilities of
> "dpkg" to determine the versions of various packages. I prefer this
> fine-granularity method to simply storing "1.1" in /etc/debian because
> many systems will be updated in a piecemal fashion.
> 
> Someone please put this Q&A in a FAQ.

No, please don't use anything in /var/lib/dpkg without consulting with
me.  /var/lib/dpkg/status is a piece of dpkg's internals, and
shouldn't be messed with.

How about testing for /usr/bin/dpkg ?

Ian.

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libgr is obsolete and should be removed: all the libraries in libgr are
now available as seperate packages.

Dominik

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Subject: Re: locale, nls and libc5...
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:47:01 +0200 (MET DST)
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Christophe Le Bars writes:
> It's just a "make programs" in libc5/locale and
> a "make fr nl de" in libc5/nls.

Not exactly. It has to be 'make SHARED= programs'. Please check the Intro
file on ftp://i44s10.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/linux/ctape

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From jdassen  Mon Jun  3 09:45:48 1996
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> Is contrib on CDs, too?

We don't control what is on CDs, the CD manufacturer does. There is no
reason to leave contrib off of a CD, I guess.

> My personal problem is LyX, a fine program under GPL. But it requieres
> xforms which is available only as binary. Does this create any problem, if
> xforms is put in contrib?

I don't think that's a problem. IF xforms is available only as a binary
and it's useful, consider taking some time to create a GPL clone of it. 

	Thanks

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Bill Mitchell writes ("Re:  Bug#3013: elvis is too granular and has short description"):
...
> I'll think about it.  However, I can easily imagine user system
> where the user does not wish to run X11, wants a vi editor, and
> prefers elvis.  I've been in that precise situation myself.  In
> such a situation, installing a 230 Kb elvisx11 executable seems
> preferable to installing 1.7 Mb of otherwise unneeded files from
> the xlib just package just in order to be able to install and run
> the 255 Kb elvisx11 executable without using any of its x11
> functionality.

Indeed, I can see this user's point of view.  However, we have to
trade off this user's disk space against the time and disk space
involved in having another package in the distribution.  The x11
vs. nox packages were generally very confusing to users, which is one
of the reasons they were phased out, and they made selection of which
packages to install much more complicated than the current situation
(which essentially involves having one redundant library).

Remember that almost all Linux systems nowadays have Emacs installed,
(however much you may hate it (-:) and that our Emacs requires xlib
anyway.

You only save the overhead by having two versions of elvis if you have
*no* other optionally-X-based programs on the system.

I think that a better thing to do, rather than splitting the elvis
package into two parts, would be to produce a stub X11 library that
could be installed in place of the `real' xlib.

> [ctags and emacs]
>
> He's not.  I got that info from the Maintainer field of the emacs package
> I had installed.  There's been a recent maintainer change, and I'm now
> in contact with the new maintainer via email.  I expect that we'll quickly
> agree on an approach to resolve this long-standing conflict over ctags
> between the elvis and emacs packages.

That's great, thanks.

Ian.

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Package: lists.debian.org

Below is a another very odd message I got from the lists.debian.org
listserver, in response to a message forwarded from the bugs system.

It claims to have unsubscribed someone from the list, but I'm still
getting the messages.  Bill, are you ?

Why is the listserver doing this very strange thing ?  Can it please
be made not to ?

I'll file this as a bug, and cause the bug system to CC Bill Mitchell
and Anders Chrigstrom.

Ian.

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Subject: Re: Bug#3013: elvis is too granular and has short description
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:54:51 +0200

WARNING:
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         32760 mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com
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>Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Bug#3013: elvis is too granular and has short description"):
>> Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> said:
>> > > I also think it'd be silly to only provide the X11 version, which
>> > > currently depends on X11R6 and elf-x11r6lib.
>> >
>> > Why ?  There are already two perfectly good vi's which don't require X
>> > libs.
>>
>> Heck, only one perfectly good vi is needed if you assume that any
>> one is as good as any other.  I happen to prefer elvis.  I'd be
>> suprised if I were the only debian user who happened to prefer elvis.
>
>Yes, but is it worth adding an extra 200K package to the distribution
>just to avoid those people having to install an X library that most of
>them will want anyway ?
>
>Our general policy is not to have x and nox versions of things.
>
>...
>> I'm not a ctags expert either.  The only GNU fooutils package of which
>> I'm aware which provides ctags is emacs.  I'm not an emacs user, and
>> don't have it installed.  Installing the emacs package seems a high
>> price for non-emacs users to pay just to get ctags.
>>
>> OTOH, I withdrew the elvisfmt package infavor of textutils fmt when
>> that seemed reasonable.  I have no objection to withdrawing the mt-st
>> package in favor of beefed-up a GNU cpio mt package.  I'll be happy
>> to withdraw the elvisctags package if I'm shown that this is a
>> reasonable thing to do.
>
>Having a single package containing only ctags is definitely silly.
>Can't you please go and work something out with the appropriate other
>maintainer(s) ?  If the worst comes to the worst use dpkg-divert or
>update-alternatives or something.
>
>Ian.
>
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Richard Kettlewell <richard@elmail.co.uk> writes:

Fixed in the newly released perl-tk-b11.02-2.

(Closing bug)
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Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Bug#3146: 1.1 installation: ae doesn't work"):
...
> I'm not sure you're reading that snippet from the FSSTND correctly.
> I'm not sure you're reading it incorrectly either, but I read it
> differently.

I *wrote* that snippet in the FSSTND !  The description of e2fsck is
only an *example*.  It says quite clearly:

 Note that an implementation does not need to contain all the files and
 directories specified in this standard to be compliant or compatible.
 It is merely necessary for those files that it does contain to be
 located appropriately.

I don't see how you can think that the FSSTND mandates that a
distribution must contain /bin/ed after reading those two sentences.

I'm not saying that a distribution shouldn't contain /bin/ed, but that
the FSSTND is irrelevant and that some common sense would be a good
idea.  Just because ed isn't on the base disks, honestly ...

(And yes, I prefer ed as a recovery editor, but this is my personal
preference.)

> The clarifying example given said that e2fsck would not be required
> if there were no ext2 filesystems to be checked.  It did not say
> whether or not e2fsck would be required if there were ext2 filesystems
> but there were ten other tools to check them with.  That's the
> situation with regard to ed.  There are text files to be edited, and
> there are other editors available to edit them.

The FSSTND doesn't specify what tools people must provide.  You can
have a perfectly FSSTND-compliant system that uses ext2 on all of its
filesystems but doesn't provide e2fsck or any other way to check
filesystems.  This system is broken, true, but its brokenness is (a)
obvious and (b) out of the FSSTND's scope.

> Rather than debating about what we each think the FSSTND might
> be trying to say, how about getting a ruling on whether /bin/ed
> is or is not required by the FSSTND?  Dan Quinlan, are you out
> there?

Please, can't you just take my word for it ?

Ian.

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Christophe Le Bars writes:
> Indeed, we may use "/usr/lib/locale" for the compiled locales
> but we must then modify libc5... libc5 is just looking in the
> /usr/share/locale directory.

Please don't do this if you don't really have to. I'd prefer to make as few
changes as possible to the library itself. If it has to be in
/usr/lib/locale H.J. should change his upstream code.

> Last, I use the WG15-collection.tar collected by Keld Simonsen (keld@dkuug.dk)
> from the DKUUG on behalf of the ISO POSIX WG, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15.

Isn't the original site for the WG15-collection 
ftp://i44s10.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/linux/ctype?

> I think we should use something like "WG15.??" for the original version and
> "locale" for the package name. But i haven't seen anything to ordering
> the version number... no special date, no special number... Any idea?

I'd prefer to name it wg15locale or somesuch.

Michael

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Many packages are finding themselves in need of a directory to place
one or two small files which are read by initialisation scripts.

For example, /etc/papersize could be here (though perhaps we don't
want to move it now), as could files telling the rc.boot scripts which
keyboard map to load.  The timezone package could put its record of
which timezone has been copied to /etc here.

It's clear to me that we need this directory; it's less clear to me
what it is called.

Please discuss the matter here, and then in a week or two we'll take a
decision.  If no consensus has been reached I'll punt the decision to
Bruce for a pronouncement-by-fiat :-).  Let's not have another
filename parsing wrangle here.

Ian.

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Bruce Perens writes:
> I would put the binary-only packages in "contrib". We can't give the user

Is contrib on CDs, too?

> any means to assure that binary-only packages are free of trojan-horses,
> etc., so I don't think they should be given the same status as the usual
> Debian software. Not having the source available goes against the philosophy
> of the rest of the system, of course, so placing the package in "contrib"
> would indicate that as well.

My personal problem is LyX, a fine program under GPL. But it requieres
xforms which is available only as binary. Does this create any problem, if
xforms is put in contrib?

Michael

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Michael Meskes wrote:
> 
> Sven Rudolph writes:
> > While the guidelines don't mention this case I don't like to see
> > binary-only packages in the regular distribution. An important part of
> > the Debian notion of free, the availability of source code, isn't
> > given; therefore I suggest to put your package into non-free.
> 
> I cannot agree here. I don't think a package should be name non-free just
> because it's source isn't available. I think non-free should (and does) mean
> that the package (that is the binary) is not free to be distributed

I agree.  "non-free" can mean anything.  A binary-only package can be:

  - free distribution
  - free to use
  - non-free to modify
  - non-free to include (in whole or in part) in your own packages
  - non-free of bugs

(I don't think there is a single Debian package that truely free if you
include that last one.)


> > I think you should release a source package containing only the
> > scripts necessary to build the binary package and a pointer to the
> > original binary archive.
> 
> Good idea. But without a diff file it looks like an original Debian package.

Trust me as writer/maintainer of the Netscape package...  This is a pain!
It means two different archives that must be kept in sync.  It makes it
difficult to use the nice features of dpkg to track installed files.


> > Reason: If a new version of the original archive appears someone
> > else can package it. Or you might have some error in the
> > debian.control file, e.g. a wrong dependency. When the packaging files
> > are available everyone can fix it without having to recreate them.
> > This won't happen often, but it might be necessary.
> 
> You got a point with this.

Yup.  Good point.  I can see no reason why the "diff" file couldn't be
uploaded, though.  That would include all the "debian.*" files.  Patches
to programs can be distributed without legal hassles, so any source fixes
would also be acceptable.  The author would just have to specify to what
the patch file had to be applied.

                                        Brian
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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Christophe Le Bars wrote:

> 
> I try to study locale and nls support in Debian.
> 
> I think, a "libc5-nls" may be a good idea to provide
> locale(1), localedef(1) and the libc5 message
> catalogs in Dutch, French and German.
> 
> It's just a "make programs" in libc5/locale and
> a "make fr nl de" in libc5/nls.
> 
> If Debian want to have locale, we need in fact this two
> programs.
> 
> What do you think about that?
> 
all non-english language-support will be appreciated by people like me and
you!!! 

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Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> said:

> Below is a another very odd message I got from the lists.debian.org
> listserver, in response to a message forwarded from the bugs system.
>
> It claims to have unsubscribed someone from the list, but I'm still
> getting the messages.  Bill, are you ?

I think I've been spontaneously unsubscribed from debian-devel once
again.  The most recent debian-devel message I can of which find a
copy is dated 31 May.

Would the keeper of the lists please re-subscribe me?  I'll try
resubscribing via debian-devel-request, but that didn't work the
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Richard Kaszeta <kaszeta@me.umn.edu> writes:

> Gimp-smotif's README files tell you to copy /usr/doc/gimp/gimprc to
> ~/.gimprc
>
> /usr/doc/gimp/gimprc is not provided.

Documentation bug, fixed in the newly released gimp-0.54.1-2.

(Closing bug.)
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Rob

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Subject: Bug#3189: nvi over-cautious about .exrc?
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Bruce Perens wrote:
> I think that's prudent. It would be simple enough to stick a trojan
> horse in the .exrc .

It would be possible to check if the owner and the group were the
same, and allow mode 664 if that were the case. Is that sufficient,
and is it worth doing? (What's the advantage of umask=002?)

Steve Greenland

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

> It seems to me, though, that the Debian packages themselves (e.g., *.deb)
> files are derivatives that the package maintainers hold a (so far implicit)
> copyright on.  And, as far as I can tell, very few of these packages/files
> actually contain an explicit release (e.g., "I place my debian.* files and
> other modifications under the GPL").

This is unnecessary because of the fundamental attatchment of the GPL to
any successive source modification.
> 
> To me, part of the important "checks and balances" implied by the GPL is that
> anyone who decides for some reason that the "official" branch of GPL'ed
> software 'foobaz' is unacceptable is able to fork their own branch (e.g.,
> XEmacs).  One result of this is to create a sort of marketplace--that is, if
> the official maintainer of 'foobaz' is unable or unwilling to be sufficiently
> responsive to its user community, someone else can start working on it,
> without having to start from scratch.
> 
Any derived software is still required to include the original GPL, thus
any derivative packages are still associated with the original developer.

> With all due respect to our fearless leaders and package contributors, I feel
> like this is an important property for Debian as a whole to have.  (I, for
> one, am not sure I'd be able be able to resist if Mr. Bill offered to buy my
> interest for, say, 1/30 of 1% of his net worth.  ;-)
> 
As a maintainer you don't own anything that Mr. B could pay you for
(except maybe some expert knowledge).

Luck,

Dwarf

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>>>>> Ian Jackson writes:
[...]
> Please discuss the matter here, and then in a week or two we'll take
> a decision.  If no consensus has been reached I'll punt the decision
> to Bruce for a pronouncement-by-fiat :-).  Let's not have another
> filename parsing wrangle here.

I think we should align Debian along the SVID (System V Interface
Definition), the XPG (X/Open Portability Guide) and the SingleUnix
Specification (aka Spec1170) which basically means that all
configuration data are stored in /etc/default/ (Irix uses
/etc/config.d, HP-UX 10 uses /etc/rc.config.d, but both of them are
not SVR4 in the strict sense of the term).

IMHO it was a poor move of the FSSTND group (where i participated at
that time) to abandon /etc/default/ and other SysV specifics because
the majority did not want to alienate the BSD-philics.  Poor move,
because they would run *BSD sooner or later anyway.

Lets play the System V card; whic we did already with our choice of
sysvinit, ncurses (terminfo!) and the binary format (also adopting an
iBCS2-compatible ELF would have been more sensible).

Comments?
  Dominik

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> > Second, do _not_ change the permissions of /var/spool/mail.  The permissions
> > that Netscape suggests introduce a small security hole where one user could
> > potentially gain complete access to another's mail.  (It's small, but true.)
> > The permissions in the Debian system are correct.
> 
> What is the nature of this hole?

The problem happens like this...

 - root adds world write permissions to /var/spool/mail
 - cracker creates file /var/spool/mail/fred with public read/write
 - new user "fred" is created
 - cracker and fred (and rest of the world) can read/write fred's mail.

Networks and NIS could create users on machines where the user doesn't
actually have a home directory, but to which mail could be specifically
directed, thus giving the hacker a free and largely untraceable mail
account.

There is the additional problem that anyone could also create all
the files and directories they want under /var/spool/mail.

> I've run into *ix variants that don't need 1777 mail spools before, but
> I've never heard of it being a security hole to make their spool 1777.
> 
> Debian uses sendmail V8, no?  Is it using an oddball delivery agent or
> something?

This would affect all systems as far as I can tell.

                                        Brian
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Subject: Re: Bug#3188: sysklogd still logs to *.0 files
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--------

How late is late?

I'm assuming they close at 5, like all the other obnoxious
repair places.  I want to be there with some time to spare
so I'll leave at 4:20.

-Oly

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:15:28 +0200 (MET DST)
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David Frey writes:
> I learnt some time ago from the libc/ld.so release notes that it's 
> necessary to have links from libfoo.so to libfoo.so.x.y (besides the
> usual libfoo.so.x -> libfoo.so.x.y links). They had to be created manually
> for ELF systems.
> 
> Is this still true? If no, I had to re-upload some packages...

>From what I know it's still true. And it will remain true.

Michael

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srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu writes ("kernel-package tar file unpacks into ./linux/"):
> 	I have recieved the following request from a user of
> kernel-package, and did not want to act precipitatedly, since now
> there is (hopefully) an installed base for the package.
> 
> :: Manoj, Could you seriously consider making the tar.gz file upload
> :: in the current directory, not in ./linux? It's painful to have to
> :: move a linux link to point to my various kernel sources (I do
> :: have some...) just to unpack your really nice package.
> 
> 	Would this be a major problem for people who use
> kernel-package? (this may not be a big disaster anyway, since even if
> the user expects the tar file to unpack in ./linux and it unpacks into
> ./, one just removes debian* in the current directory. IMHO it is
> unlikely to stopm over any files, since one would not normally unpack
> it in a directory with debian* files).

I'm afraid I don't like this change at all.  One of the best things
about the GNU world and Debian too is that you can unpack almost any
tarfile without having it splatter stuff all over your current
directory, making a mess that can be very hard to clean up.

I think that the kernel-package you supply should do the same thing as
Linus's kernels.

I think that Linus's kernels should unpack into linux-<version> rather
than linux, but that's up to him and you should follow his lead.

If you don't like the linux level you can use a symlink or say
 mv linux/* .

Ian.

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Dominik Kubla <dominik.kubla@uni-mainz.de> writes:

> libgr is obsolete and should be removed: all the libraries in libgr are
> now available as seperate packages.

Last time I looked there wasn't yet a libtiff.  The GIMP depends on it
for tiff support.  Pleas do not remove libgr until we have a libtiff.

--
Rob

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Ian Jackson writes:
>Many packages are finding themselves in need of a directory to place
>one or two small files which are read by initialisation scripts.
>
>For example, /etc/papersize could be here (though perhaps we don't
>want to move it now), as could files telling the rc.boot scripts which
>keyboard map to load.  The timezone package could put its record of
>which timezone has been copied to /etc here.
>
>It's clear to me that we need this directory; it's less clear to me
>what it is called.

SVR4 has a directory called /etc/default which contains default
settings for a large number of applications.  The files are all in
key=value format.  If someone decides to implement this under Linux
then it could prove inconvenient if we've gone and used /etc/default
for our own purposes.

How about /etc/config?  I'm against /etc/sysconf on aesthetic grounds
only, I can see no technical reason why it would be problematic.

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Bruce Perens:
> I don't think that's a problem. IF xforms is available only as a binary
> and it's useful, consider taking some time to create a GPL clone of it. 

Actually, since there's a lot of free widget sets, it might be easier to port
LyX (and other XForms programs) to one of them, instead writing yet another
widget set.


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Mark Eichin writes ("Bug#3171: Autoconf asks explicitely for mawk"):
> 2.10-2 fixes these...
...
> The package tries to find mawk first, at build time; I made the
> package on a system where I had mawk installed, which caused the
> problem. I've fixed the debian.rules file to override the rule and
> force awk to be /usr/bin/gawk, which is in the "gawk" package but
> marked essential, so I haven't put in a dependency. [If I should, let
> me know - I can be easily convinced. If I should use /usr/bin/awk
> instead, explain why...]

I don't know whether you should use mawk or gawk or awk, but whichever
you use you should search the PATH rather than using an absolute
pathname.

> > Other paths (for example m4) are absolute but this may not be a real
> > problem, though someone may want to have another m4 (for example in
> > /usr/local/bin) used if first in PATH.
> >
> > Yves.
>
> I don't think this is a problem, specifically *because* someone may
> want another m4 in their path, possibly a "classic" m4 which isn't
> going to be good enough. (Besides, that's the m4 that the dependency
> refers to.)

If there is such a thing as an M4 which is not good enough then
perhaps we should provide a link gm4 to m4 ?

Ian.

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From: Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
> It would be possible to check if the owner and the group were the
> same, and allow mode 664 if that were the case. Is that sufficient,
> and is it worth doing? (What's the advantage of umask=002?)

You'd have to compare the string version, not the numeric UID and GID.
It sounds OK, though debian-specific.

	Bruce
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Mike Coleman writes ("Bug#3175: xonix colors bad for colorblind"):
> Package: xonix
> Version: 1.4-2
>
> The color scheme used by xonix for the "flyer" sprites makes it virtually impossible for
> those with red/green colorblindness to play the game.
>
> I don't really grok the XPM format, but the appended patch seems to work as
> one possible solution.
...
> --- flyer.xpm	Tue May  2 02:56:24 1995
> +++ flyer.xpm.new	Fri May 31 17:46:30 1996
> @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
>  static char * flyer_xpm[] = {
>  "8 8 3 1",
>  " 	c forest green",
> -".	g4 yellow	c tomato",
> +".	c yellow",
>  "X	c black",
>  "   ..   ",
>  "  .XX.  ",

I'd like to point out that some people with anomalous colour
vision[1], me for example, find computer-yellow and computer-green
very hard to distinguish.

Can this be made configurable ?

Ian.

[1] I'm not being `politically correct', it's just that
`colourblindness' gives the impression of being unable to see (the
relevant) colour differences at all.

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I don't have a problem with /etc/default, and if there is precedent for
it that is all the better. I found Miquel's use of /etc/default in the latest
sysvinit (to move configuration out of the scripts in /etc/init.d)
to be an improvement over the way we handled it previously.

	Thanks

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The following packages are missing the "Section:" field within the
"Packages" file.  This should probably be fixed before the public
release of Debian 1.1 as it affects "dftp".

unstable/binary-i386/graphics/aout-svgalib-1.28-6.deb
unstable/binary-i386/x11/aXe-6.1.2-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/tex/bibtool-2.33-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/bsdmainutils-3.0-0.deb
unstable/binary-i386/news/cnews-cr.g-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/color-ls-3.12-3.deb
unstable/binary-i386/shells/csh-5.26-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/x11/fvwm2-2.0.42-BETA-0.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/hfsutils-1.11b-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/devel/ilu-2.0.0.6-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/news/inews-2.1-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/net/ipx-1.0-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/devel/libg++27-2.7.1-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/graphics/libgr-2.0.5-3.deb
unstable/binary-i386/graphics/libjpeg6a-6a-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/graphics/libjpeg6a-dev-6a-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/devel/libobjects-0.1.19-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/lsof-3.61-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/admin/mdutils-0.34-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/base/modconf-0.1.0-0.deb
unstable/binary-i386/games/nethack-3.1.3-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/news-0.8-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/news/nntp-1.5.11t5-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/open-1.3-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/math/paridoc-1.39.03-4.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/pc532down-1.1-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/math/pgapack-1.0-3.deb
unstable/binary-i386/net/scotty-2.0.2-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/seesat5-0.90-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/math/spline-1.0-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/graphics/svgalib1-1.28-6.deb
unstable/binary-i386/graphics/svgalib1-bin-1.28-6.deb
unstable/binary-i386/devel/svgalib1-dev-1.28-6.deb
unstable/binary-i386/net/tkined-1.3.4-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/comm/uutraf-1.0-3.deb
unstable/binary-i386/text/vgrind-5.7-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/misc/vlock-0.8-3.deb
unstable/binary-i386/text/weblint-1.014-2.deb
unstable/binary-i386/electronics/x10-1.03-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/editors/xcoral-2.5-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/editors/xcoral-doc-2.5-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/text/xless-1.7-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/net/xntp-doc-3.5c-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/x11/xpaint-2.1.1-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/x11/xpaste-1.1-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/comm/xringd-1.00-1.deb
unstable/binary-i386/net/zircon-1.16p1beta63-1.deb


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You (Mark Eichin) wrote:
> Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> > Using strace I can see that it appears to be retrying the call !
>
> Hmm. From what I remember of the original BSD source, yes, it spins
> (around a sleep, I think) trying to reconnect on a connection refused,
> until an alarm goes off. There's probably some arcane bit of history
> behind it... but it should probably just go away :-)

No, it is needed. Sometimes our login machine still thinks it has a socket
open to the terminal server, while there isn't a socket open on the
terminal server. Thus it can happen that the terminal server tries to
connect from a source port of which the login machine thinks it is already
in use. Result is ECONNREFUSED, and the code in the BSD source just
does a sleep and retries on another port number.

In fact that isn't really true; it doesn't work under Linux. I do have
a fix though.

open
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package: screen
version: 3.7.1-3

Demonstration: Fire up screen. Hit "^a:exec !cat -v". Run some
commands. Note that you get leading ^@ mixed in. (If you're running
tcsh, bash, or some other interactive program, you'll get ^@ before
the echo of every keystroke, which makes it *really* clear.)

Analysis: screen creates all pty's in packet mode (ioctl(fd,TIOCPKT,&on))
and expects to read the leading character off of each. This makes
sense, as it allows screen to do clever things with flow control.
	However, the winexec() and following ForkWindow() in window.c
don't clear packet mode before handing the master filedescriptor over
to the forked program, leading to the above bug. It looks like code to
set TIOCPKT mode off could be added in ForkWindow, and set it back in
FreePseudoWin, but I'm not sure where to find the file descriptor for
the master pty at that point (the master for the *pseudo* is easy to
find, we need the master for the underlying window - which may be
w->w_ptyfd, I haven't tried hacking it though.)

Other comments: This has nothing to do with the linux bug where
TIOCPKT mode survives the close of a pty. It is generic to any system
with TIOCPKT; I was just able to reproduce it (with screen-3.6.1)
under SunOS 4.1.4.

I'll try and send along a patch (if my guess about w_ptyfd is right,
the comments in window.h seem to confirm this) but would appreciate
other input.
			_Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
			The Herd of Kittens

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>>>>> "DS" == Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

DS> On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:

>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Please find enclosed a patch to make psutils work with /etc/papersize. I
>> used something I already use for a2ps, but please not the following points:
>> 
>> - the libpaper library, which is rather crude, will be released next
>> week only (as soon as I get the right to upload on the Debian archive);
	.
	.
	.
DS> I would be happy to support your efforts to incorporate /etc/papersize in
DS> the psutils package, I just think it should come from upstream. Also,
DS> there are easier ways of dealing with this issue, that don't enclude
DS> adding another dependency/conflict difficulty to yet another package.
DS> Since all the utilities provide paper size parameters on the command line,
DS> the user is encouraged to write simple shell scripts for each of the
DS> classes of psutils jobs that user needs to perform. These scripts may use
DS> /etc/papersize or some other method for controling these parameters. It is
DS> my understanding that this is the way these utilities were intended to be
DS> used.

My impression is that /etc/papersize (so far) is only used by packages
during the installation to set up their own configuration files. It is
not a configuration file by itself. This is important in so far as
many packages have more options to set than just the paper size. But
often, all but the paper size can be set to generally acceptable
defaults. So, IMHO, it wouldn't be nice if one package decides to use
/etc/papersize as it's configuration file. 

Also, I don't think a libpaper library will help a lot here. Think of
a2ps. It has many more compile time options than just the size of the
paper. I think that each package should provide its own set of
configuration files for such purposes. Also, I don't think it will be
that easy to get all of the half-dozen or so packages which use a
default paper size to use libpaper.

And the upstream authors should be encouraged to use runtime
configration instead of compile time configuration as much as
possible. In the pre-Linux days of free software, the system
administrator of a site was expected to compile everything
themselves. In that case, fixing site defaults using compile time
options was acceptable. But as soon as software gets distributed as
binaries, configuration files become important. With the extra
advantage that per-user default .packagerc files are easy to
implement. 

			Cheers,
				Lukas
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I've added a large number of missing entries to the override file.

Here is a list.  Later I'll be reposting the criteria we use for
deciding which priority a package should have.

Please check this list for any of your packages, and follow up if you
think that any (of your own or any others) are misplaced.  If you're
unsure about priorities wait for my later posting.

Overnight the cron job will warn me about packages whose position in
the archive doesn't match the overrides file; I'll fix that tomorrow.

Ian.

9menu		optional	x11
9wm		optional	x11
aout-svgalib	optional	graphics
aout-xpm	optional	x11
apache		optional	net
apmd		optional	admin
axe		optional	x11
bdflush		required	base
bibtool		optional	tex
bsdmainutils	important	admin
cdwrite		optional	devel
cnews		extra		news
color-ls	optional	misc
cpio-mt		extra		admin
csh		optional	shells
dbview		extra		misc
ddd-dmotif	extra		x11
ddd-smotif	optional	x11
debian-utils	required	base
deliver		optional	mail
dnsutils	standard	net
elviscmn	optional	editors
elvisctags	optional	editors
elvisnox	optional	editors
elvisx11	optional	editors
fvwm2		optional	x11
getty		required	base
gimp-dmotif	extra		x11
gimp-smotif	optional	x11
gwm		optional	x11
hfsutils	optional	admin
igerman		optional	text
ilu		extra		devel
imapd		optional	mail
inews		optional	news
inn		optional	news
ipx		optional	net
kernel-headers-1.3.100	extra	devel
kernel-image-1.3.100   required	base
kernel-source-1.3.100  standard	devel
latex2e-doc	optional	tex
libc4-dev	optional	devel
libc5-dbg	optional	devel
libc5-pic	extra		devel
libg++27	standard	devel
libgr		extra		graphics
libgr-dev	extra		devel
libjpeg6a	optional	graphics
libjpeg6a-dev	optional	devel
libobjects	optional	devel
libpng1		optional	graphics
libpng1-dev	optional	devel
libwww-perl	optional	devel
login		required	base
lsof		standard	admin
maelstrom	optional	games
manpages-de	optional	doc
mdutils		optional	admin
mesa		extra		graphics
mime-support	standard	net
mingetty	extra		admin
modconf		optional	admin
mpack		standard	mail
ncpfs		optional	net
ncurses3.0-pic	extra		devel
nethack		standard	games
netscape	extra		net
news		extra		admin
nis		optional	admin
nntp		optional	news
open		optional	admin
paridoc		extra		math
passwd		required	base
pc532down	extra		misc
perl-tk		optional	devel
pgapack		optional	devel
ratfor77	extra		devel
scotty		extra		net
seesat5		extra		misc
sox		standard	sound
spline		extra		math
svgalib1	optional	graphics
svgalib1-bin	optional	graphics
svgalib1-dev	optional	devel
tcl75		optional	admin
tcl75-dev	optional	devel
tk41		optional	x11
tk41-dev	optional	x11
tkdesk		optional	x11
tkdiff		optional	x11
tkined		optional	x11
tob		optional	admin
util-linux	required	base
uutraf		extra		net
vgrind		optional	devel
vlock		optional	admin
weblint		optional	net
wgerman		optional	doc
win32binutils	extra		devel
win32gcc	extra		devel
win32libs	extra		devel
x10		extra		electronics
xautolock	extra		x11
xbattle		optional	games
xcolors		extra		x11
xcoral		extra		x11
xcoral-doc	extra		x11
xless		extra		x11
xntp-doc	optional	net
xpaint		optional	x11
xpaste		extra		x11
xpm4.7		standard	x11
xpm4.7-dev	optional	x11
xpostit		extra		x11
xringd		extra		comm
xtel		extra		xtel
zircon		extra		x11
zlib1		optional	misc
zlib1-dev	optional	devel

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I wrote:
> I'll try and send along a patch (if my guess about w_ptyfd is right,
> the comments in window.h seem to confirm this) but would appreciate
> other input.

This appears to work.

--- window.c~	Mon Nov 20 13:03:05 1995
+++ window.c	Mon Jun  3 13:18:57 1996
@@ -880,6 +880,12 @@ char **av;
 	FreePseudowin(w);
 	return -1;
       }
+    if (ioctl(w->w_ptyfd, TIOCPKT, (char *)&flag))
+      {
+	Msg(errno, "TIOCPKT ioctl on parent");
+	FreePseudowin(w);
+	return -1;
+      }
   }
 #endif /* TIOCPKT */
   pwin->p_pid = ForkWindow(av, (char *)0, (char *)0, t, w);
@@ -903,6 +909,14 @@ struct win *w;
     close(pwin->p_ptyfd);
   free((char *)pwin);
   w->w_pwin = NULL;
+#ifdef TIOCPKT
+  {
+    int flag = 1;
+
+    if (ioctl(w->w_ptyfd, TIOCPKT, (char *)&flag))
+      Msg(errno, "TIOCPKT reset on parent failed");
+  }
+#endif /* TIOCPKT */
 }

 #endif /* PSEUDOS */

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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> We don't control what is on CDs, the CD manufacturer does. There is no
> reason to leave contrib off of a CD, I guess.

When I got PHT's Mo'Linux CD w/Debian 0.93R6, it included contrib.
Next release of abuse will be in the contrib section - it'll come out
later this week.


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Bruce Perens writes:
> I think it's almost time to put 1.1 in "pre-CD" state. This means that it's
> released for normal users given that they get it via FTP, and not yet OK to
> write on a CD. I'd make sure the CD makers know what's going on.
> 
> Thoughts?

I suspect that there are a lot of potential CD makers out there and it
would be hard to get the word out to all of them.  Even with a README
file, there may be some who won't bother to read it.  That being the
case, I don't think we should name the directory 'debian-1.1' until we
think it's really ready for production CDs.

David
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Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:

> gimp-dmotif	extra		x11
> gimp-smotif	optional	x11

Why would this go in x11 and not graphics?  It's an image editing
program that just so happens to use X.  Did I misunderstand the
purpose of the x11 directory?  I thought it was for the X distribution
itself and other really X specific stuff.

If x11's for all the programs that just *use* X, then emacs,
ucbmpeg_play, and many of the games need to be moved there.

--
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Christophe Le Bars writes:
> I try to study locale and nls support in Debian.
> 
> I think, a "libc5-nls" may be a good idea to provide
> locale(1), localedef(1) and the libc5 message
> catalogs in Dutch, French and German.
> 
> It's just a "make programs" in libc5/locale and
> a "make fr nl de" in libc5/nls.
> 
> If Debian want to have locale, we need in fact this two
> programs.
> 
> What do you think about that?

I think we should definitely have an nls package, but I don't have
time to work on one right now.  Are you interested, Christophe?
Whatever we do, it shouldn't delay the release of 1.1.

David
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> unstable/binary-i386/x11/xpaint-2.1.1-1.deb

Just to make sure I understand - the section field is just a part of
the packages file, ie. distributor-maintained, not package-owner
maintained? 

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 > Christophe Le Bars writes:
 > > It's just a "make programs" in libc5/locale and
 > > a "make fr nl de" in libc5/nls.
 > 
 > Not exactly. It has to be 'make SHARED= programs'. Please check the Intro
 > file on ftp://i44s10.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/linux/ctape

Precisely, it's just "make SHARED= programs" in libc5/locale and 
"make fr nl de" in libc5/nls/linux... Sorry... ;-)
			     
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Ian Jackson:
> It's clear to me that we need this directory; it's less clear to me
> what it is called.

I more or less agree about the need.  I don't much care what the name is.
It might be a good idea to include "debian" in it, so that it doesn't
conflict with other systems.  (Some day someone might want to make .deb's
that work with Red Hat, for example.)

We might want to develop some tools for making it easy to read and write
the files in /etc/sysconf.  Most of the files are likely to be simple, but
there's still a need to allow for commenting, line splitting, etc.

Oh, and we probably don't want to move all configuration stuff into
/etc/sysconf.  For example, sendmail's configuration file(s?) should stay
as they are.  But it would be nice for things like the following, I think:

	preferred paper size for this system

	should shell packages add the shell to /etc/shells?
	
	preferred local language for this system (so that not every
	words-package will ask if it should be made the primary one)
	
Essentially, /etc/sysconf should contain stuff that is shared between
packages, cannot easily be deduced from other stuff using standard 
conventions, and should probably often be policy decisions of some kind.

On the other hand, I couldn't think of any other examples than the above
(in addition to the timezone name suggested by Ian).

(I don't think we want a Registry.  No, we already have a Registry.  We
just call it /etc. :)


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Subject: Bug#3189: nvi over-cautious about .exrc?
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> Maybe we can just change /etc/adduser.conf so that USERGROUPS is off
> by default?  I don't really see the point in enabling this feature
> by default - I've seen no other unix system doing that.  The fewer
> surprises for the new admin, the better...

We settled this argument after a long and sometimes acrimonious discussion
between all of the developers a year or more ago. I'm not willing to revisit
it.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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In article <m0uQdXf-0002ZQC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> you write:
>I've added a large number of missing entries to the override file.
>
>Here is a list.  Later I'll be reposting the criteria we use for
>deciding which priority a package should have.
>
>Please check this list for any of your packages, and follow up if you
>think that any (of your own or any others) are misplaced.  If you're
>unsure about priorities wait for my later posting.
>
>Overnight the cron job will warn me about packages whose position in
>the archive doesn't match the overrides file; I'll fix that tomorrow.
>
>Ian.
>
[...]
>gimp-dmotif	extra		x11
>gimp-smotif	optional	x11
[...]
>xpaint		optional	x11
[...]

Should these maybe go in the graphics section?  What sort of stuff is
'graphics' for anyway?

Austin

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Hello,

I regularly read messages on the Debian lists about packages that do
not use /etc/papersize but should. I got the impression that
/etc/papersize was meant to contain live information about the paper
size used on a given system, and that programs should read it when
they need a default paper size (they can of course take papersize from
the command-line or user-specified configuration file).
  This usage seems logical to me, because it means that the name of
the default paper to use can be changed when needed in /etc/papersize
with the net effect of having all programs getting a default value from
this file taking the change into account.

I discussed this question with other developers and one had the
understanding that /etc/papersize was meant to be used only during the
installation of a package (which will not notice any change to this file
after installation), the installation scripts reading the /etc/papersize
value and putting it into the right configurations files for the installed
package, if it has some (which is not the case of a2ps or psutils for
example).

This sounds plausible too, so I'm now unsure of the true purpose of
/etc/papersize :-(

I'd like to know what you do think about the role that /etc/papersize
should play on a Debian system. Maybe should we ask Debian users too,
so this might not help to reach a consensus.

For my part, I favor the use of /etc/papersize for getting a runtime
default instead of a compiled one. I'd like to suggest that programs
that handle paper size on Debian replace the use of something like

    -DPAPER='"a4"'

with

   -DPAPER="systempapername()"

the latter requiring that the program be linked to a specific libpaper
library that would, among other things, be able to get the default
page size from /etc/papersize (and eventually from a PAPER env. var).
I wrote such a small library and tested the modification of a2ps and
psutils: a2ps's changes where 5 lines long (adding an error message
if the paper name is unknown), and psutils was easily changed too
to support the libpaper library (and changing manual pages according
to its use or not). The fact that adding basic support for a
system-wide paper default with minimal efforts is possible is essential
to encourage such changes.
  In addition to letting programs use /etc/papersize, the libpaper
library helps them support 40 different paper names out of the box.
It also comes with a simple program printing information about a
paper to help writing wrapper scripts (like a wrapper for gs:
gs -sPAPERSIZE=`paper` "$@").

To me this has a big advantage: runtime configuration at no cost for
existing packages, without requiring installation scripts or
reinstallation of packages when the system paper change (or editing
wrapper scripts). Another advantage is that centralizing some
functions to manipulate paper names (and not only size) means that
improvements to the set of functions for manipulating papers will
benefit all the programs using such a library. (At the moment, they
only get new paper size, but that's a start).

It has also some disadvantages: modified packages depend on the
libpaper library, which introduces another depends/conflict; existing
scripts that rely on a well-known compile-time default for paper
size may break (I don't have any, but other may); it does not encourage
package developers to develop site- and user-configuration files
(but I won't do one just for a2ps or psutils, for example).

I'd like to get your opinion on this.

Thanks,
Yves.

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Ian: 
> [1] I'm not being `politically correct', it's just that
> `colourblindness' gives the impression of being unable to see (the
> relevant) colour differences at all.

8% of U.S. males are red-green color-blind. The defect is actually in the
pigment that colors the red-green receptor, and it's on the X chromosome so
that it generally happens to males, not females. 1% are impaired on one of
the other color axes. Very few have monochromatic vision.

Don't you just hate those bi-color red-green LEDs? I can't tell what color
they are at all. I need an ohmmeter to read resistors reliably, and I don't
pick colors for the movie. Other than that, it's never bothered me.

	Bruce
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Bruce Perens:
> You'd have to compare the string version, not the numeric UID and GID.
> It sounds OK, though debian-specific.

A better check would be that the only member of that group is the
user executing the editor.

Maybe we can just change /etc/adduser.conf so that USERGROUPS is off
by default?  I don't really see the point in enabling this feature
by default - I've seen no other unix system doing that.  The fewer
surprises for the new admin, the better...

Worse, the system won't let me change this setting before the first
user account is created, and I have to fix permissions later.  Maybe
I don't want to create any user accounts at all?  (For example, if
the system is a NIS client.)  The only thing done before running
dselect should be setting the root password (and maybe printing
a message that it is highly recommended to create a user account).

I know it is a good idea to create a new account so that I don't have
to do everything as root - but it should not be enforced this way.

Marek

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>>>>> "IJ" == Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:


IJ> Many packages are finding themselves in need of a directory to place
IJ> one or two small files which are read by initialisation scripts.

IJ> For example, /etc/papersize could be here (though perhaps we don't
IJ> want to move it now), as could files telling the rc.boot scripts which
IJ> keyboard map to load.  The timezone package could put its record of
IJ> which timezone has been copied to /etc here.

What exactly is supposed to go into that directory? I see a point for
cross-package system defaults like /etc/papersize. But under which
circumstances would a package be allowed to put private information
into this directory? After all, each package contains the default
configuration files. And things which cannot be defaulted in a
reasonable way get setup interactively. These configuration files
should be the record of what was the previous version of the
package. 

Using the timezone package as an example, I can obtain the
configuration information either by reading the link /etc/localtime or
by looking at /etc/timezone. Why should there be another file with the
same information? How do you keep an sysadmin from changing the files
/etc/timezone and /etc/localtime without updating the new default
file?

If the configuration files are scripts - like those in /etc/init.d - I
see the point to separate the selection of defaults from the actual
code. And a comment in the script can tell the user how to change the
defaults. 

In any case: would there be some documentation of legitimate use and
contents of the default configuration files? E.g., can I put letter,
Letter, US letter, A4, DINA4, DIN a4, ... in /etc/papersize and have
them recognized by all packages which read /etc/papersize? What I want
to say is that shared configuration files only help if their use is
defined somewhere - basically like the list of virtual packages or in
an appendix to the developer guidelines.

IJ> It's clear to me that we need this directory; it's less clear to me
IJ> what it is called.

I have no strong feelings about the name of the directory
though. Previous art, like the SYSV choice, might serve as a guide,
though. 

			Cheers,
				Lukas
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> > unstable/binary-i386/x11/xpaint-2.1.1-1.deb
> 
> Just to make sure I understand - the section field is just a part of
> the packages file, ie. distributor-maintained, not package-owner
> maintained?

Correct.

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On Fri, 31 May 1996, Erick Branderhorst wrote:

> > <<< 550 <david@tau.space.thiokol.com>... User unknown
> > 550 <david@tau.space.thiokol.com>... User unknown
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > you seem to be maintaining textutils package for debian. are you
> > planning to release an update? the prep.ai.mit.edu archives are
> > at version 1.15 and debian is still at 1.11 or 1.12.
> It seems that david can't be reached.
> 
> --
> "Unix: 30 definitions of regular expressions living under one roof" 
>                                                                 D.E. Knuth
> Erick Branderhorst  http://www.iaehv.nl/users/branderh/

Earlier this year, I was unable to reach david@tau.space.thiokol.com to ask a
few questions about the fileutils package since I was making color-ls.  Does
anyone know if David is still working on the project?  David, are you out there
with a new email address?

Thanks, Syrus.


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 > Christophe Le Bars writes:
 > > I think, a "libc5-nls" may be a good idea to provide
 > > locale(1), localedef(1) and the libc5 message
 > > catalogs in Dutch, French and German.
 > 
 > I think we should definitely have an nls package, but I don't have
 > time to work on one right now.  Are you interested, Christophe?
 > Whatever we do, it shouldn't delay the release of 1.1.

Ok, I'll work on it... And i'll not put anything in Incoming about
locale before the release of 1.1...

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Bruce Perens:
> We settled this argument after a long and sometimes acrimonious discussion
> between all of the developers a year or more ago. I'm not willing to revisit
> it.

Is there a copy of this discussion archived anywhere?  The debian-devel
archives I found on www.debian.org start from July 1995 (November 1900
was a mistake, I guess, especially since the only message there refers
to sendmail-8.6.12-8 which almost certainly didn't exist in 1900 :-).

One new problem with USERGROUPS is that it is incompatible with group
quotas (which were not supported by the standard kernel a year ago).
Maybe it would be good to discuss this again now?

At the very least, let's not enforce creating a new user account before
dselect is run.  This would at least make it possible for the user to
edit /etc/adduser.conf first and turn off USERGROUPS if they wish so.

Marek

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If it's easy to do, it makes sense to have /etc/papersize be a runtime
option.  If it's hard to do (must be propagated throughout a number of
files), it makes sense to have /etc/papersize be an installation time
option.

I don't know of any instances where it's hard to do.

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In article <m0uQIlW-0005z7C@mongo.pixar.com> bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> Simon did include the NCR 537,8xx driver in his latest kernel package,
> however I had to remove it from the boot floppy because it is 1/4 Megabyte
> in size and the boot floppy now overflows a 1.44MB disk if I leave it
> in place. This driver and several others will be moved to an accessory
> "modules floppy".

You just announced that you need 2 disks anyway, so it will reappear,
correct ?

	Sven
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In article <m0uQay3-0002ZzC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:

> Mike Coleman writes ("Bug#3175: xonix colors bad for colorblind"):
> > Package: xonix
> > Version: 1.4-2
> >
> > The color scheme used by xonix for the "flyer" sprites makes it virtually impossible for
> > those with red/green colorblindness to play the game.
>
> I'd like to point out that some people with anomalous colour
> vision[1], me for example, find computer-yellow and computer-green
> very hard to distinguish.
>
> Can this be made configurable ?

While both I and the original xonix author agree that this were nice
neither he nor I have too much spare time. I'll add it to the TODO
file.

The above-proposed patch helps in the majority of problem cases, so I
use it.

	Sven
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In article <m0uQKCu-0005zFC@mongo.pixar.com> bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> I would put the binary-only packages in "contrib". We can't give the user
> any means to assure that binary-only packages are free of trojan-horses,
> etc., so I don't think they should be given the same status as the usual
> Debian software.

Even though we cannot guarantee the absence of trojan-horses anyway
this is a good point.

However when this contrib rule superseedes the non-free rule,
programmes that aren't freely redistributable may appear in contrib
because they are binary-only. This should be mentioned in the
guidelines, and causes more work for CD-sellers.

	Sven
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ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)  wrote on 03.06.96 in <m0uQb1k-0002ZzC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>:

> Bruce Perens writes ("Re:  Can we have a /etc/debian in base?"):
> > I would prefer that programs that test for debian use /var/lib/dpkg/status
> > . The presence of this file implies that you can use the facilities of
> > "dpkg" to determine the versions of various packages. I prefer this
> > fine-granularity method to simply storing "1.1" in /etc/debian because
> > many systems will be updated in a piecemal fashion.
> >
> > Someone please put this Q&A in a FAQ.
>
> No, please don't use anything in /var/lib/dpkg without consulting with
> me.  /var/lib/dpkg/status is a piece of dpkg's internals, and
> shouldn't be messed with.
>
> How about testing for /usr/bin/dpkg ?

Umm ... _can_ any of these things be used to differentiate between a  
Debian system and, say, a Red Hat system that only has dpkg installed so  
it can use some Debian packages?


MfG Kai

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Note that the mere existence of only one user who can access the group
does not mean that only one user is accessing the group.  [Consider
sgid programs, for instance.]

The current group configuration is optimized for systems where groups
are collaborative, yet people are not always expected to be a member
of a collaborative group.

The concept of group quotas is optimized for systems where people can
be a member of only one group.

This is, indeed a configuration choice.  I think that debian makes the
right choice for the default.

At the moment, adduser would have to be changed to support alternate
configuration policies.  However, as we've just gone through one round
of changes on adduser (the bit about numeric system ids), it's
probably worth sitting back and reflecting a bit before changing it
again.

Perhaps we need some kind of policy editor, or system profile selector
to drive adduser?

I have a hunch that changes of this magnitude shouldn't be folded into
the system until 1.1 is out.  Also, I think that this kind of issue
can pull attention away from the testing and deployment activities we
need to get debian in the hands of people that really need it (the
majority of who would be setting up single user systems).

-- 
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 I've uploaded an alpha locale package in my directory on master...
 
 (locale and nls packages will not move to Incoming directory
 before the release of 1.1...)

 You may test this package and give me some feedback...

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Date: 03 Jun 96 23:11 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: optional
Maintainer: Christophe Le Bars <clebars@debian.org>
Source: locale
Version: WG15.0-alpha1
Binary:  locale
Architecture:  i386 source
Description:
 locale: collection of locale definition files.
Changes:
  * Initial release
  * Added Debian Linux package maintenance system files
Files:
 3279e9229f81647e4f15390add4359bb  613618  misc  -  locale-WG15.0-alpha1.tar.gz
 c7ede674f4195e448330f769927a0d2c  8475  misc  -  locale-WG15.0-alpha1.diff.gz
 c04f6e482cecb4b3158c175d84f48b80  546434  misc  extra  locale-WG15.0-alpha1.i38
6.deb
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ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)  wrote on 03.06.96 in <m0uQa71-0002aFC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>:

> Many packages are finding themselves in need of a directory to place
> one or two small files which are read by initialisation scripts.

One version I've seen is /etc/defaults, on SysV systems. The usual  
contents are files with shell-style variable assignments, named after the  
packages that use these files - /etc/defaults/tar might, for example,  
specify default options for tar.

Of course, we're currently looking not for a general defaults mechanism,  
but for one specific to booting; however, I believe a general mechanism  
might well be the right answer here.

As to file naming, both package name and binary name are reasonable  
policies, I think.

(As an aside, we _could_ move /etc/papersize there _if_ we leave a  
compatibility symlink around as long as not all packages need the new  
scheme.)

(Another aside: two of our customers have SysV4 systems, but I can't  
currently reach either, so I can't look at the original and verify the  
spelling or, for example, list the files in that directory.)

MfG Kai

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The 537,8xx driver will appear on the second modules disk, however I think
that Simon may have already produced a boot disk in the
special-kernels directory that has this driver linked in. We should continue
to provide a boot disk that works for this device.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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In article <199606032125.XAA20434@marin.fdn.fr> Yves Arrouye <arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> writes:

> I regularly read messages on the Debian lists about packages that do
> not use /etc/papersize but should. I got the impression that
> /etc/papersize was meant to contain live information about the paper
> size used on a given system, and that programs should read it when
> they need a default paper size (they can of course take papersize from
> the command-line or user-specified configuration file).
>   This usage seems logical to me, because it means that the name of
> the default paper to use can be changed when needed in /etc/papersize
> with the net effect of having all programs getting a default value from
> this file taking the change into account.

I assume this interpretation too. When a configuration file changes
the program should use this changed information as soon as possible.

On the other hand this implies some work. This work were even more
useful if this were a standard on other systems too.

Your libpaper seems to be a useful tool, however a whole library for
such a tiny problem might be overkill. (Having files in a standardized
format in /etc/defaults (or so, I didn't read the whole discussion
around this) and writing a library for accessing these were a more
general solution.)

	Sven
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I re-uploaded the pcmcia-cs-2.8.15 package as debian
package 0.  There was a 2.8.12-0 and I was never sure
if I should follow it with .15-1 or restart with .15-0.

In any case, the .12-0 that was in incoming depended
on the .97 kernel, now obsolete.  I hadn't been keeping
a changelog as I didn't know it was needed, so I had
trouble running dchanges.  I decided to create .15 as
package 0 with a fresh changes file.

This version, as mentioned for the now defunct 15-3,
features a kernel target to build pcmcia modules for
a kernel-image build.  See debian.README in the source
package for details on how to do this.

The package is based off of kernel 1.3.100.

Thanks for the helping hands,
Oly

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> At the very least, let's not enforce creating a new user account before
> dselect is run.  This would at least make it possible for the user to
> edit /etc/adduser.conf first and turn off USERGROUPS if they wish so.

We really do have to create a new user account as soon as the system is
brought up, because until we do that we have no good destination for
root and postmaster mail, and we _don't_ want that user to spend a lot
of time logged in as root for obvious reasons. After dselect runs,
there are a number of system accounts and one user account, and a user
who is concerned with this can edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group and
change the group of that one account without much trouble at all.

As a policy, I would prefer to make the most general case work very
well, and make the more esoteric cases do-able with some amount of user
effort. I think that's where we are now - all users are set up with a
useful group that they can use to provide access to their own files to
selected others. To make group quotas work more effectively, you might
consider adding a script to the quota package that the user could run
to convert the entire system so that users (not system accounts) all
had the same primary GID. The script would also have to change the GIDs
on files belonging to the converted users.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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 > Christophe Le Bars writes:
 > > Indeed, we may use "/usr/lib/locale" for the compiled locales
 > > but we must then modify libc5... libc5 is just looking in the
 > > /usr/share/locale directory.
 > 
 > Please don't do this if you don't really have to. I'd prefer to make as few
 > changes as possible to the library itself. If it has to be in
 > /usr/lib/locale H.J. should change his upstream code.
 
 Ok, I've uploaded an alpha locale package in my directory on master...
 I use /usr/share/locale...
 But it's inconsistent with the base package which provide
 a empty /usr/lib/locale/en_GB directory...

 > > Last, I use the WG15-collection.tar collected by Keld Simonsen (keld@dkuug.dk)
 > > from the DKUUG on behalf of the ISO POSIX WG, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15.
 > 
 > Isn't the original site for the WG15-collection 
 > ftp://i44s10.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/linux/ctype?

 I think ftp://dkuug.dk/i18n/WG15-collection is the original site for the
 WG15-collection... But original "archive" WG15-collection.linux.tar.gz
 is from ftp://i44s10.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/linux/ctype. I'm not sure.
 
 > > I think we should use something like "WG15.??" for the original version and
 > > "locale" for the package name. But i haven't seen anything to ordering
 > > the version number... no special date, no special number... Any idea?
 > 
 > I'd prefer to name it wg15locale or somesuch.
 
 or maybe localewg15, like libc5?
 
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Bruce:
> We can't give the user any means to assure that binary-only packages are
> free of trojan-horses...

Sven:
> Even though we cannot guarantee the absence of trojan-horses anyway
> this is a good point.

Notice that I said "give the user any means to assure", not "guarantee".
Given the source, the user has some means of assuring that there are
no trojan horses.

> However when this contrib rule superseedes the non-free rule,
> programmes that aren't freely redistributable may appear in contrib
> because they are binary-only.

Oh yes, I no doubt confused someone. Let me make that more clear.

FREELY-REDISTRIBUTABLE SOFTWARE that is in binary-only form goes in CONTRIB.
If it's not freely-redistributable, it goes in non-free.

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Sven Rudolph wrote:

> However when this contrib rule superseedes the non-free rule,
> programmes that aren't freely redistributable may appear in contrib
> because they are binary-only. This should be mentioned in the
> guidelines, and causes more work for CD-sellers.

I don't think it does (or should) supersceede the non-free rule. Non-free
is for programs (binary-only or not) that aren't freely-distributable
(i.e. can't be put on a CD that would be sold). Binary-only programs that
are freely distributable would then go into contrib. Correct?

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>>>>> "YA" == Yves Arrouye <arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> writes:

YA> I agree with the fact that writing wrappers is useful. But do you really
YA> think that someone that gets a package that uses psnup internally and
YA> always manipulate letter paper as a fact will know how (or want) to
YA> write a wrapper just for the purpose of getting its papersize right because
YA> psnup was compiled with an a4 default? I would, for sure, and so would

Well, I wouldn't want to write wrappers just to fix compile
options. In that case, I would rather uninstall the debian package and
compile the package from the sources and put it into
/usr/local. (That's how I have a2ps installed right now.) This way, I
can fix it for all users on my machine. Global wrappers require that I
rename psnup (which breaks the package updating mechanism) and then
put the wrapper in place. Or that I depend on a particular ordering of
the path.

YA> As I read the lists, my impression was that /etc/papersize was considered
YA> to be a live indication of the preferred paper size to use on the system.

Look, e.g., at the postins for tgif.

YA> If programs use it just when they are installed, in order to customize
YA> their configuration files, then it means that packages must be reinstalled
YA> whenever one gets from one printer to another (this is not that frequent,
YA> but it happens with a notebook to people I know).

You have a point there. Still, it might be easier to provide a
standard way to update the configuration files of all affected
packages for notebook users than to get all upstream packages to use
the same standard. In that case, the alternative is that the debian
maintainer has to merge the upstream patches and the debian patches if
debian standardizes on using libpaper. To me, that sounds like a lot
more work.

YA>   Having a way to consistently change all default paper sizes for
YA> different kind of programs, even those that do not support customization
YA> files, seemed to me a win. Maybe I'm wrong.

This is why I would consider programs which only use compile time and
command line options to be designed sub-optimally. Or at least not to
be written with binary distributions in mind.

YA> Do you suggest to change each package so that it uses per-user
YA> configuration files? And of course also a per-site configuration file
YA> so that the system administrator will not have to force a default value

I suggest that each independent package has its own, independent
configuration files. Per site configuration files might help to set up
those configuration files, though. Once there is a mechanism in place
to parse a configuration file, it is relatively easy to add per-user
configuration files - if considered useful. But, IMHO, a global
configuration file is a must for a binary distribution. Unless you
want a package for each possible combination of compile time options
:-).

YA>   Changing a2ps to use libpaper as a replacement for the usual define
YA> required changing one line and adding five more (to print an error message

But then, can you configure whether a2ps sends its output to the
printer or to stdout as a default? How about the default for twosided
printing? And do you want to fix dvips, too :-) ?  The problem is that
most packages have more to configure than just the paper size. 

			Cheers,
				Lukas
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Subject: Bug#3189: nvi over-cautious about .exrc?
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Bruce Perens:
> We really do have to create a new user account as soon as the system is
> brought up, because until we do that we have no good destination for
> root and postmaster mail, and we _don't_ want that user to spend a lot
> of time logged in as root for obvious reasons. After dselect runs,

Yes, I know.  But if you know what you're doing...  Let's not try to be
more clever than the user is - it's not Win95 installation after all.

> there are a number of system accounts and one user account, and a user
> who is concerned with this can edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group and
> change the group of that one account without much trouble at all.

Not much trouble if it is just one machine.  Some time ago I had to
install 10 machines as X workstations which don't need to handle mail
at all, and need no user accounts (NIS).  I had to answer all these
questions about user names and passwords only to delete these accounts
later.  I don't want to do unnecessary work, lazy me :-).  FYI, when
I installed SCO OpenServer 5, it asked me for root password (Debian
does it too, good), but didn't require that I create a new user account
immediately.

How about a compromise:

 It is highly recommended to create a new user account now.  It will be
 used as the destination for root and postmaster mail, and it is generally
 a good idea to avoid using the root account unless absolutely necessary.
 Unless you know what you're doing, please answer "y" to the following
 question.

 Do you want to create a new user account now? [y]

> As a policy, I would prefer to make the most general case work very
> well, and make the more esoteric cases do-able with some amount of user
> effort. I think that's where we are now - all users are set up with a
> useful group that they can use to provide access to their own files to

Hmm.  I can't chgrp my own files to any group I am not a member of (it
results in the "Operation not permitted" error).  I guess we need to
wait for Access Control Lists (expected in Linux 2.1.x - I saw a posting
from Remy Card saying that he is working on it) to be able to do that...

Marek

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Subject: Bug#3189: nvi over-cautious about .exrc?
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> Not much trouble if it is just one machine.  Some time ago I had to
> install 10 machines as X workstations which don't need to handle mail
> at all, and need no user accounts (NIS).  I had to answer all these
> questions about user names and passwords only to delete these accounts
> later.  I don't want to do unnecessary work, lazy me :-).  FYI, when
> I installed SCO OpenServer 5, it asked me for root password (Debian
> does it too, good), but didn't require that I create a new user account
> immediately.

What we really need to support this case is a means of loading some
amount of pre-configuration on to the root floppy when doing large-site
installs. You should be able to pre-configure the root password (stored
in encrypted form) and most of the other installation questions except
for "what is my host name and IP number".

It would make sense to provide a menu reachable from the main menu that
configures the installation defaults and lets you make policy decisions
like "don't create any users". This information would be written back
onto your root floppy. This would be much more appropriate for large-site
installs. The problem with the present installation menu is that it is
written for one-system installs, and it's not really appropriate for anything
else.

> Hmm.  I can't chgrp my own files to any group I am not a member of.

I meant that the _super-user_ could run a script to convert users and their
files to belong to a centralized group. You have to be root to install the
quota package anyway, this could be a post-inst option.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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non-free is the stuff that a CD distributor can't distribute without
checking the copyright individually, negotiating with authors, &c.
That means anything with a no commercial distribution clause, &c.

contrib is anything that doesn't meet any of Debian's policy
requirements for some other reason.  This includes, for example,
packages that don't come with source (perhaps because only the binary
is freely redistributable) or ones that aren't freely useable
(shareware and possibly guiltware falls into this category - it isn't
freely redistributable, but you may not necessarily use it without
restrictions.  Arguably when bison had the inconvenient parser licence
it ought to have gone in here.)  Other things might be packages that
have odd restrictions on modification by users, or ones that are very
peripheral to the project and which noone has time to support (most
orphaned packages should probably stay in the main distribution).

This means that we can distribute our netscape-installer, xforms,
abuse, &c &c &c in contrib, so that they get distributed on CDs.  This
is a good thing because we want our system to be as complete as
possible.  Putting the software in contrib will show up in dselect as
well as in other places, so that people can easily tell whether
they're using really-free or only-redistributable or
distribution-restricted packages.

Ian.

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Below is a somewhat-edited version of a mail message I sent some time
ago when our current priority scheme was developed; it summarises the
decisions that were made then.

Please read the list of overrides file additions in conjunction with
these definitions.  Feel free to debate (briefly!) the priorities
assigned to packages, but because this is obviously a contentious
matter I intend to keep the decision-making process brief and not let
things get out of hand.  If there's some kind of dispute we can refer
it to Bruce, but I hope that won't be necessary.

The problem with missing Section fields in Packages files is due to
the missing overrides file entries.  I'm aware of the problem -
indeed, the daily cron job is telling me about it - and it will be
fixed.

Ian.

PS: Please CC all correspondence on package classification to
ijackson@chiark, as that's where I'm dealing with this issue and I
don't read debian-devel there.

------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
Subject: Re: classifications

[...]

Here is my list as it was agreed on:

	Old category    Meaning                       Abbrev  Name        
	 Base            Absolutely essential.         Req     Required
	 Standard        `Standard on Unix'.           Imp     Important
	 Recommended-A   `Standard on Linux'.          Std     Standard
	 Recommended-B   Useful stuff: X11, TeX, ...   Opt     Optional   
	 Optional        All the rest.                 Xtr     Extra

Let me expand on those a bit:

 * Required.  You absolutely must not remove this or your system will
  become unuseable and you will not even be able to use dpkg to put
  things back.  Systems with only the Required packages are probably
  unuseable, but they do have enough functionality to install more
  software.

 * Important.  Important programs, including those which one would
  expect to find on any Unix-like system.  If the expectation is that
  an experienced Unix person who found it missing would go `What the
  F*!@<+ is going on, where is <foo>', it should be in Important.
  This is an important criterion because we are trying to produce,
  amongst other things, a free Unix.  Other packages which the system
  will not run well or be useable without will be here.  This does
  *NOT* include Emacs or X11 or TeX or any other large applications.
  We're talking about the bare minimum infrastructure here.

 * Standard.  A reasonably small but not too limited character-mode
  system.  This is what will install by default if they don't select
  anything else.  It doesn't include many large applications, but it
  does include Emacs (this is more of a piece of infrastructure than
  an application) and a reasonable subset of TeX and LaTeX (if this
  turns out to be possible without X).

 * Optional.  In a sense everything is optional that isn't required,
  but that's not a helpful way to think about it.  Optional is all the
  stuff that you might reasonably want to install if you didn't know
  what it was or don't have specialised requirements.  This is a much
  larger system and includes X11, a full TeX distribution, and lots
  of applications.

 * Extra.  Packages that conflict with others with higher priorities,
  or are only likely to be useful if you already know what they are or
  have specialised requirements.

To think about it in terms of burden of proof:

- - In order to get something into Required you have to show that even
the most minimal system is broken without it and can't recoover.

- - In order to get something into Important it should be something that
has been on almost all versions of Unix (that means that Unix
programs' install scripts could use it) or is mandated in POSIX or
something, or that the system wouldn't really be useable or function
properly without.

- - In order to get something into Extra it has to conflict with
existing packages, or be very obscure, or very large, or be useable
only in very specialised circumstances or for specialised
applications, or have very complicated configuration requirements.
Preferably several of those reasons would apply.

- - That leaves us with the decision between Standard and Optional.
Standard packages make up a reasonable if somewhat small system.  They
should usually not be very large, and shouldn't depend on X.  Large
applications, especially, should not go in Standard.  The user has a
tradeoff between functionality and disk usage, and we let them tune
this as follows: user should select only the Standard packages if they
want to optimise for disk usage, and select the Optional packages too
if they want to optimise for functionality.  Alternatively they can
fine tune individual details.

[...]

Ian.

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David Frey writes ("Links for Libraries"):
> A question about the symbolic links for the libraries:
> 
> I learnt some time ago from the libc/ld.so release notes that it's 
> necessary to have links from libfoo.so to libfoo.so.x.y (besides the
> usual libfoo.so.x -> libfoo.so.x.y links). They had to be created manually
> for ELF systems.
> 
> Is this still true? If no, I had to re-upload some packages...

Yes, it is still true that these links are required.  Packages should
create them.

The best way is for the package to create the link libfoo.so to
libfoo.so.x rather than to libfoo.so.x.y - this will involve less
mucking about when then library version changes.

Ian.

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Subject: Bug#3189: nvi over-cautious about .exrc?
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>As a policy, I would prefer to make the most general case work very
>well, and make the more esoteric cases do-able with some amount of user
>effort.

I'd say this is a good policy.  Although at times I've been aggravated
by some of the debian packages and install scripts holding my hand
(no, I *don't* need deliver for sendmail to work, etc.), but then I
have to admit that the typical debian user isn't integrating their
machine into an existing NIS, automount, etc environment, and if they
are they are capable of cleaning up a few places where the Debian
scripts assumed a little too much.

As far as adding an initial user goes, it isn't to hard to clean this
up quickly.

--
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bofh@bofh.me.umn.edu			University of MN, ME Dept
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Subject: Bug#3182: cron's checksecurity runs find on NFS mounted filesystems
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Austin Donnelly writes ("Bug#3182: cron's checksecurity runs find on NFS mounted filesystems"):
...
> However, it is possible that you may want to check some NFS server. A
> better test would be to ignore nfs servers mounted read only.

Given that you're testing for set-id programs and devices, an better
test would be whether the server is mounted nodev and nosuid or not.

Ian.

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(debian-bugs removed from the CC while we resolve this)

Miquel van Smoorenburg writes ("Re: Bug#3190: rlogin takes far too long when remote says Connection Refused"):
...
> No, it is needed. Sometimes our login machine still thinks it has a socket
> open to the terminal server, while there isn't a socket open on the
> terminal server. Thus it can happen that the terminal server tries to
> connect from a source port of which the login machine thinks it is already
> in use. Result is ECONNREFUSED, and the code in the BSD source just
> does a sleep and retries on another port number.

This doesn't make sense to me.  Which end has what idea of which
connections are where ?

Even if you're right, I think there is some bug here that is being
worked around rather badly, surely ?

If you'd like to try to explain to me what's going on I'd be grateful.

Ian.

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Bruce Perens writes ("Bug#3189: nvi over-cautious about .exrc?"):
> I think that's prudent. It would be simple enough to stick a trojan
> horse in the .exrc .

I disagree, strongly.

It is not the business of programs to check the permissions of the
dotfiles in users' home directories.

Firstly, this means that they are deciding my security policy for me,
which is not appropriate.  (And, as we see, it is causing problems
because Debian's default security policy and architecture is not
compatible with its ideas.)

Secondly, it is futile.  For every program which does this check there
will be dozens which don't; if someone has the opportunity to attack
these files they'll just do it to one of the other ones.

Ian.

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Subject: Bug#3183: permissions problems with /var/lib/games
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Austin Donnelly writes ("Bug#3183: permissions problems with /var/lib/games"):
...
> I would suggest:
>
>   drwxrwx--- games/games
>
> and then make all games setuid games or setgid games (with preference
> to being setgid).

The permissions on /var/lib/games should be drwxrwxr-x root.root.

This is so that each game can decide on its own security policy.  For
example, for some games it is good to be able to read the high score
table without needing a set-id program.

Games which need to keep score files, save games, &c, safe from prying
eyes and or fingers should be set-*g*id to games and use files and
directories with appropriate permissions.

They should *not* be set-*u*id games.  If they are then anyone who
manages to break the security of any game can get control of the
account of any game-player quite easily by trojanning a game binary,
rather than only getting control over all the games' saved data (and
possibly getting access to other players' accounts with considerably
more effort).

Ian.

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Bdale Garbee writes ("Bug#3100: bug#3100"):
> I believe that the right thing to do is either to have the 'rmt' executable
> be provided as part of the tar package (not with cpio, as Brian Mays proposed
> in his reply to this bug report, since tar is a base package and cpio is not),
> or it should be kept as part of a separate package.  The more I think about it,
> the more I favor the latter.

I think this is unnecessarily granular.  We already have 400-odd
packages, can we please not create another tiny one for no
particularly good reason ?

> Brian and I have exchanged email about rmt being with tar instead of cpio,
> and he asked whether 'mt' should then become part of the tar package as well.
> It's not clear to me that this aggregation of mt with a particular archiver
> makes any sense.  Opinions?

mt and rmt are distributed by the GNU people with cpio.  cpio isn't
large, and ought to be installed on almost any system (it's sometimes
assumed to be present by things).

Is it really that awful to have to install cpio to get mt and rmt ??

Ian.

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  OK, here's a little improved one, it should correct the other
strange things that have been reported.  Here are the changes :

  - Insensitive case matching on section title.  Also the trailing
colon is ignored during the comparision.

  - Should cleanup the '* Menu' line when it's in limbo.  But it will
go nuts if there's a line in the header part that starts with a star.
I have a problem here : if the dir file is wrong enough as to have
lost it's '* Menu' line, I don't really see how to reliably
reconstruct it.  The current behavior will correct most of those cases
but at the price that a completly legal (but rare) dir file can get it
to hell.  Sounds bad :-( Which should be kept ?

  P.S: I really don't feel like doing the sorting stuff someone talked
about.  So this is up to you all...

--- START OF cleanup-info.pl ---
#!/usr/bin/perl --
#
#   Clean up the mess that bogus install-info may have done :
#
#	- gather all sections with the same heading into a single one.
#	Tries to be smart about cases and trailing colon/spaces.
#
#   Other clean ups :
#
#	- remove empty sections,
#	- squeeze blank lines (in entries part only).
#
#   Order of sections is preserved (the first encountered section
# counts).
#
#   Order of entries within a section is preserved.
#
# BUGS:
#
#   Probably many : I just recently learned Perl for this program
# using the man pages.  Hopefully this is a short enough program to
# debug.

use strict;

sub version {
    print STDERR <<END;
Debian GNU/Linux cleanup-info 1.2.  Copyright (C) 1994,1995 Kim-Minh
Kaplan. This is free software; see the GNU General Public Licence
version 2 or later for copying conditions.  There is NO warranty.
END
}

sub usage {
    print STDERR "usage: cleanup-info [--version] [--help] [--] [<dirname>]\n";
}

my $infodir = '/usr/info';
$0 =~ m|[^/]+$|;
my $name= $&;

sub ulquit {
    unlink "$infodir/dir.lock"
	or warn "$name: warning - unable to unlock $infodir/dir: $!\n";
    die $_[0];
}

while (scalar @ARGV > 0 && $ARGV[0] =~ m/^--/) {
    $_ = shift;
    if ($_ eq '--') {
	last;
    } elsif ($_ eq "--version") {
	version;
	exit 0;
    } elsif ($_ eq "--help") {
	usage;
	exit 0;
    } else {
	print STDERR "$name: unknown option \`$_'\n";
	usage;
	exit 1;
    }
}

if (scalar @ARGV > 0) {
    $infodir = shift;
    if (scalar @ARGV > 0) {
	print STDERR "$name: too many arguments\n";
	usage;
	exit 1;
    }
}

if (!link "$infodir/dir", "$infodir/dir.lock") {
    die "$name: failed to lock dir for editing! $!\n".
        ($! =~ m/exist/i ? "try deleting $infodir/dir.lock\n" : '');
}
open OLD, "$infodir/dir"  or ulquit "$name: can't open $infodir/dir: $!\n";
open OUT, ">$infodir/dir.new"
    or ulquit "$name can't create $infodir/dir.new: $!\n";

my (%sections, @section_list, $lastline);
my $section="Miscellaneous";	# default section
my $section_canonic="miscellaneous";

while (<OLD>) {				# dump the non entries part
    last if (m/^\*/);
    if (defined $lastline) {
	print OUT $lastline
	    or ulquit "$name: error writing $infodir/dir.new: $!\n";
    }
    $lastline = $_;
};
print OUT "* Menu:\n";

if (! /^\*\s*Menu\s*:?/i) {
    $lastline =~ s/\s*$//;
    if ($lastline =~ /^([^\*\s].*)/) {	# there was a section title
	$section = $1;
	$lastline =~ s/$*:$//;
	$section_canonic = lc $lastline;
    }
    push @section_list, $section_canonic;
    s/\s*$//;
    $sections{$section_canonic} = "\n$section\n$_\n";
}

foreach (<OLD>) {		# collect sections
    next if (m/^\s*$/ or m/^\*\s*Menu/i);
    s/\s*$//;
    if (/^([^\*\s].*)/) {		# change of section
	$section = $1;
	s/\s*:$//;
	$section_canonic = lc $_;
    } else {			# add to section
	if (! exists $sections{$section_canonic}) { # create section header
	    push @section_list, $section_canonic;
	    $sections{$section_canonic} = "\n$section\n";
	}
	$sections{$section_canonic} .= "$_\n";
    }
}

eof OLD or ulquit "$name: read $infodir/dir: $!\n";
close OLD or ulquit "$name: close $infodir/dir after read: $!\n";

print OUT @sections{@section_list};
close OUT or ulquit "$name: error closing $infodir/dir.new: $!\n";

# install clean version
unlink "$infodir/dir.old";
link "$infodir/dir", "$infodir/dir.old"
    or ulquit "$name: can't backup old $infodir/dir, giving up: $!\n";
rename "$infodir/dir.new", "$infodir/dir"
    or ulquit "$name: failed to install $infodir/dir; I'll leave it as $infodir/dir.new: $!\n";

unlink "$infodir/dir.lock"
    or die "$name: failed to unlock $infodir/dir: $!\n";

exit 0;
--- END OF cleanup-info.pl ---
---
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Here's another.  What on earth is it on about ??

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>Bruce Perens writes ("Re:  Bug#3013: elvis is too granular and has short description"):
>...
>> I can confirm this. We broke the xlib package out of the rest of X
>> so that we could install X-optional programs on non-X systems without
>> the need for no-X versions of the packages.
>...
>> It was the consensus of the group some time ago when we made this change.
>> It belongs in the develper guidelines.
>
>It does indeed.  It will be in the new manual set I'm writing, in the
>Debian policy manual.
>
>...
>> Aw com'on. It's the only X and no-X package pair left in the entirety of
>> Debian. All of the rest are gone as far as I can tell.
>
>Indeed.  I'd very much like to see the elvis packages fall into line here.
>
>...
>> Lighten up. We're not going to reject the packages, but we might attempt
>> to convince you that one of them is redundant.
>
>Quite :-).
>
>Ian.
>
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Stephen Early writes:
> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > The best way is for the package to create the link libfoo.so to
> > libfoo.so.x rather than to libfoo.so.x.y - this will involve less
> > mucking about when then library version changes.
> 
> I did this for a version of the xlib/xdevel packages, but was told not to
> by David Engel. He suggests making the .so -> .so.x.y link be part of the
> devel package. I didn't argue. 

Stephen is right.  The .so symlink should point to .so.x.y.  This is
because the .so symlink, which is provided in the -dev packages, is
used for linking by ld and must point to the specific library which
matches the header files in the -dev package.  If the .so symlink
points to the .so.x symlink, as Ian suggests, the .so symlink and
header files can get out of sync if the user installs a newer library,
obtained from somewhere else, and runs ldconfig.

David
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Package: mt-st

The package descriptions for mt-st and cpio-st don't give any hint to a novice
user as to which is to be preferred.  It looks to me, based on
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/README.st, that mt-st should be the preferred
one.  If this is true, both package desc's should say something about this.

--Mike

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It would be nice to have a gettext package too, and also a Perl module
to call the gettext functions (someone knows how to do that?).

Yves.

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Package: ncurses3.0
Version: 1.9.9e-1

To reproduce: install dpkg 1.2.3elf and ncurses 1.9.9e-1.  Run dselect
(as non-root will do) with TERM=vt220 (using vt100 doesn't show the
problem) and go into the selection list.  Using `n' repeatedly move
the highlight onto the first actual package.  Then use ^N and ^P
alternately to scroll the display up and down.

You'll see that when ncurses needs to scroll the list area it does it
by redrawing it.  I don't know why it doesn't choose to change the
scrolling region instead, but this is liveable with.

The bug I'm reporting here is that when it needs to redraw some of the
package list lines (particularly All packages) it tries to reuse small
bits of parts of the lines that were there before, by using many
insert/delete character sequences.  This is *very* slow indeed.

lynx has the same problem.

This bug has existed in ncurses for a long time.

Below is a transcript of what I see when I do what I describe above,
and a script (I call it `slowprint') to output things slowly.  Try:
  slowprint <typescript 0.003

#!/usr/bin/perl
$|=1;
$overhead= 0.0125;
$delay= @ARGV ? $ARGV[0]+0 : 0.025;
$onclear= @ARGV>1 ? $ARGV[1]+0 : 0.0;
$per=1;
while ($delay < $overhead) { $per*=2; $delay*=2; }
$delay -= $overhead;
while (sysread(STDIN,$v,$per)) {
    if ($onclear) {
        $add.= $v;
        if (length($add)>$per+6) { $add= substr($add,length($add)-$per-6); }
        if (($z= index($add,'[H[J',0)) >= 0) {
            $remain= length($add)-$z-5;
            print substr($v,0,length($v)-$remain);
            select("","","",$onclear);
            $v= substr($v,length($v)-$remain);
            $add='';
        }
    }
    print $v;
    select("","","",$delay);
}

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Try /bin/echo --help!

Echo is normally invoked as a bash-builtin...

Dominik

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Lukas Nellen writes [ SuperCite undone - iwj ]:
> > Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> > Many packages are finding themselves in need of a directory to place
> > one or two small files which are read by initialisation scripts.
...
> 
> What exactly is supposed to go into that directory?

This is a very good question :-).

The existence of the directory is being driven by two related
problems.  One is that many of the /etc/init.d and other scripts in
/etc have much configuration coded into them; this means that to
modify (say) the list of filesystems excluded from the daily cron jobs
you have to modify the script and take the prompting from dpkg each
time.  The key characteristic of these config files is that they're
configuration for scripts which are themselves in /etc.

The other is that many packages' postinst scripts want somewhere to
store overall configuration parameters so that they can share them.
/etc/papersize is an example of this.  They key characteristic of
these config files is that updating them may not affect packages until
they are purged and reinstalled, because they are only read by
packages' scripts.  Of course it's better if they can be read at run
time by the programs being invoked, but this can sometimes be hard
(for example, when different programs have different config file
formats, and the package postinst scripts copy the data between them).

Perhaps we should have two directories
  /etc/scriptconf
  /etc/installconf
?

Ian.

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Christophe Le Bars writes:
>  > I think we should definitely have an nls package, but I don't have
>  > time to work on one right now.  Are you interested, Christophe?
>  > Whatever we do, it shouldn't delay the release of 1.1.
> 
> Ok, I'll work on it... And i'll not put anything in Incoming about
> locale before the release of 1.1...

I didn't mean that an nls package can't go in 1.1, just that it
shouldn't delay us from working on other parts of 1.1.  Since you've
already built the package, it can probably be included but that's
Bruce's call.

David
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Date: 04 Jun 1996 02:01:07 -0400
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Hi,

	I have a question about the kernel-image-X.X.XX packages.
They are "Required" in the sense that a system without a kernel image
is, well, not a unix system at all.

	However, any particular kernel-image-X.X.XX package is not
required to be on the system, I could have a different version, or I
might be using other means to boot the system (floppy, loadlin, etc),
and this the image package is merely an "Important" one.

	I think that a kernel image is just Important, not required.
Also, now each version of the image package is a separate package, so
it won't automatically upgrade the old images. Since it is well nigh
impossible to get rid of an old, "Required", kernel image using
dselect, it should not be labeled Required.

	If the latter (kernel image == Important) is the case, then
the override file should be so modified.

	manoj
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I have no objection to the uploading of brand-new packages. It's the existing
ones I want to keep stable for the release.

	Bruce
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   Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 03:28 BST
   From: Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>

   David Frey writes ("Links for Libraries"):
   > I learnt some time ago from the libc/ld.so release notes that it's 
   > necessary to have links from libfoo.so to libfoo.so.x.y (besides the
   > usual libfoo.so.x -> libfoo.so.x.y links). They had to be created manually
   > for ELF systems.
   > 
   > Is this still true? If no, I had to re-upload some packages...

   Yes, it is still true that these links are required.  Packages should
   create them.

   The best way is for the package to create the link libfoo.so to
   libfoo.so.x rather than to libfoo.so.x.y - this will involve less
   mucking about when then library version changes.

If you add one of these .so. libraries, you need to run 'ldconfig' afterwards,
don't you?  Doesn't ldconfig add these symlinks for you?

--Mike



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Hi,
>>"Ian" == Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:

Ian> srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu writes ("kernel-package tar file
Ian> unpacks into ./linux/"):

>> :: Manoj, Could you seriously consider making the tar.gz file
>> upload :: in the current directory, not in ./linux? It's painful to
>> have to :: move a linux link to point to my various kernel sources
>> (I do :: have some...) just to unpack your really nice package.

>> Would this be a major problem for people who use kernel-package?
>> (this may not be a big disaster anyway, since even if the user
>> expects the tar file to unpack in ./linux and it unpacks into
>> ./ , one just removes debian* in the current directory. IMHO it is
>> unlikely to stopm over any files, since one would not normally
>> unpack it in a directory with debian* files).

Ian> I'm afraid I don't like this change at all.  One of the best
Ian> things about the GNU world and Debian too is that you can unpack
Ian> almost any tarfile without having it splatter stuff all over your
Ian> current directory, making a mess that can be very hard to clean
Ian> up.

Ian> I think that the kernel-package you supply should do the same
Ian> thing as Linus's kernels.

Ian> I think that Linus's kernels should unpack into linux-<version>
Ian> rather than linux, but that's up to him and you should follow his
Ian> lead.

Ian> If you don't like the linux level you can use a symlink or say mv
Ian> linux/* .

	I'm afraid that this was indeed my personal preference (which
is why the original behaviour was to unpack into ./linux).  However, I
have recieved four enthusiastic notes for it, and this is the forst
strong one against the motion.

	I think that we have to evaluate the ease of use for people
who know about the package, and unpack kernel sources elsewhere than
in ./linux; and the infelicity of having the tar file leave droppings
all over the current directory in case one unpacks it in the wrong
directory (not having read the documentation, nor having investigated
the archive).

	A point to note is that this is a package in the *experimental*
section, and is not targeted towards the casual user. Also, all the
files contained have the prefix debian, so it is not that onerous a
task cleaning the files up even when one makes this error.

	I this this issue is a matter of aesthetics, and I have no
strong views on it, but I _am_ resistant to changing it back for no
other reason than aesthetics (if for nothing else than for the
confusion such flip-flopping is sure to cause). I'm open to being
convinced, though, espescially if some kind of consensus is achieved
(and of course to a fiat ;-).

	manoj

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Package: amd
Version: upl102-2

I am using Debian 1.1, kernel version 1.3.100

When compile with NEW_TOPLVL_READDIR defined amd crashes or produces
spurious output  if a listing is made of a top level auto-mount point.

The Changelog states that this piece of code was quickly hacked and not tested.

In function new_afs_readdir a list of top level auto-mount points is
created and tacked onto the end of the standard return list.  The size
of the client's buffer limits the size of the list that should be
returned but is ignored when this list is attached.

Removing the define and rebuilding solves the problem but also removes
some functionality.

The problem is particularly noticable at our sight as all user
filesystems are mount via amd.  Updatedb is run every night.  This
causes a readdir operation on the top level automount points which
crashes amd.  When an attempt is made to login the next day it ends in
failure because the user has no home directory available.

Nigel Williams

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Package: rc
Version: 1.4-2

kernel 1.3.57, libc 5.2.18

Instead of interrupting a running process, rc exits when I send a
CTRL-C.  If I'm using rc as my login shell this also kills the xterm
window or telnet session I am using at the time.

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Package: xsysinfo
Version: 1.2-1

The xsysinfo man page says to look in /usr/doc/xsysinfo.  There is no
/usr/doc/xsysinfo

--
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Bill Mitchell
> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
> >It is not the business of programs to check the permissions of the
> >dotfiles in users' home directories.
>
> I agree.  I chased my tail for quite a while some time back because of
> what I recall as procmail's concern over the permissions on my .forward
> file.  It didn't complain, it just didn't work as I expected from reading
> the docs.


But for a large system with many users (of varying levels of clue) it
is very beneficial for the SysAdmin that a user can't accidentally create
a writeable .forward file.  With a large enough system, a hacker could
just look for a writeable .forward and, statistically, be fairly sure to
find one.

I think /some/ apps need to check permissions to prevent inevitable security 
holes from popping up.  Ideally, those permission requirements should be

1. minimal - i.e. "no write access for group/other on .forward"

and

2. well documented

This may not be important for nvi, though I think it is, but it is clear
to me that it *is* the business of some programs to check permissions.
Not all Debian users will be as smart as Debian installers/admins.


-Oly

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Kai Henningsen writes ("Re: Can we have a /etc/debian in base?"):
...
> Umm ... _can_ any of these things be used to differentiate between a  
> Debian system and, say, a Red Hat system that only has dpkg installed so  
> it can use some Debian packages?

What are you trying to test for ?  The existence of dpkg ?  Easy.
Whether all the packages in /usr (say) were installed by dpkg ?
Impossible.  Some other thing ?  Test for it directly, perhaps, or
look for /etc/debian_version.

Ian.

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Package: findutils
Version: 4.11-1

When I updated findutils, I no longer have updatedb running daily.

/etc/cron.daily/find contains

su nobody -c "cd / && updatedb" 2>/dev/null

which does nothing on my system.  From /etc/passwd

nobody:*:65534:65534:nobody:/tmp:/dev/null

Somethings not right here.


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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

>It is not the business of programs to check the permissions of the
>dotfiles in users' home directories.

I agree.  I chased my tail for quite a while some time back because of
what I recall as procmail's concern over the permissions on my .forward
file.  It didn't complain, it just didn't work as I expected from reading
the docs.


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Kai Henningsen:
> Umm ... _can_ any of these things be used to differentiate between a  
> Debian system and, say, a Red Hat system that only has dpkg installed so  
> it can use some Debian packages?

Probably not.  However, I think someone already mentioned
/etc/debian_version.  Perhaps that would be reliable enough?


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Manjoj Srivastava:
> 	I think that we have to evaluate the ease of use for people
> who know about the package, and unpack kernel sources elsewhere than
> in ./linux; and the infelicity of having the tar file leave droppings
> all over the current directory in case one unpacks it in the wrong
> directory (not having read the documentation, nor having investigated
> the archive).

Note that show of support is going to be biased toward people who have
a strong interest in the subject -- this tends to bias it away from
happy customers (who have gone off to do other things) or people who
have found other solutions (who have also gone off to do other
things).

Personally, I don't use the debian mechanisms for kernal source.  I
unpack kernels in /usr/local/src, and I write kernels to a region
outside the scope of debian.  The only overlap is that /lib/modules
holds kernel version specific files (including System.map and things
like ibcs).

I have a symlink from /usr/src/linux to /usr/local/src/linux, and most
of the time that works fine.  [The only problem comes if I work
quickly using a mechanism such as dselect or dpkg and happen to get
the debian kernel sources installed over top of what I have.]

Anyways, my point is: I've not been paying much attention to this
discussion, and hope that when it evenutally settles out that the
system design won't have drifted too much from the way it is now.

-- 
Raul

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> The best way is for the package to create the link libfoo.so to
> libfoo.so.x rather than to libfoo.so.x.y - this will involve less
> mucking about when then library version changes.

I did this for a version of the xlib/xdevel packages, but was told not to
by David Engel. He suggests making the .so -> .so.x.y link be part of the
devel package. I didn't argue. 

Steve Early
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>root:/root# echo --help
>--help
>root:/root# echo --version
>--version

You are getting the 'echo' built into your shell.
'/bin/echo --version' works fine here...

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Ian Jackson:
> Is it really that awful to have to install cpio to get mt and rmt ??

# dpkg --listfiles cpio | xargs ls -ld | grep '^-' | awk '{ print $5 }' | /home/liw/bin/numsum
65506
# 

Not all that much extra, IMHO.  The above does not include mt at all.

# dpkg --listfiles cpio-mt | xargs ls -ld | grep '^-' | awk '{ print $5 }' | /home/liw/bin/numsum
25604
# 

BTW, both dump and cpio-mt have rmt, dump in /sbin/rmt, cpio-mt in
/usr/sbin/rmt.  Is this on purpose?


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Ian Jackson
> > >It is not the business of programs to check the permissions of the
> > >dotfiles in users' home directories.

Bill Mitchell:
> > I agree.  I chased my tail for quite a while some time back because of
> > what I recall as procmail's concern over the permissions on my .forward
> > file.  It didn't complain, it just didn't work as I expected from reading
> > the docs.

Oliver Oberdorf:
> But for a large system with many users (of varying levels of clue) it
> is very beneficial for the SysAdmin that a user can't accidentally create
> a writeable .forward file.

But having one fairly obscure app (procmail) break in a confusing manner
if it encounters a group-writable .forward file doesn't stop users from
creating such a file.  In particular, it does not stop the large majority
of users who don't use procmail.

For a sysadmin to depend on the procmail program to provide security
in this area is futile.  He'd be better off to run a system security
auditing program (cops? others?) , or use a tool like cfengine(1) to
script up a security audit customized to his particular system situation.

For the procmail program to do a less than stellar job of dealing
piecemeal with what it perceives as an isolated possible security
problem is likely to be ineffective and/or counterproductive.

(note: not to pick on procmail specifically here -- it just happens
to be a live example which came to mind)

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Mark Eichin writes ("Re: Bad "Packages" packages"):
> Just to make sure I understand - the section field is just a part of
> the packages file, ie. distributor-maintained, not package-owner
> maintained?

More or less, but I'm discussing this with Guy at the moment.  It's
likely that there will be a new policy announced shortly.

Ian.

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Hi!

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 03:39 BST
> From: Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>
> To: Debian bugs submission address <debian-bugs@pixar.com>
> Cc: Anders Chrigstrom <ac@netg.se>
> Subject: Bug#3199: Another bizarre message from debian-devel-request
>
> Here's another.  What on earth is it on about ??
>
> ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------


...

>
> Transcript of unsubscription request follows:
> - --
...
> >Subject: Bug#3013: elvis is too granular and has short description
				     Here is the problem >-----------

 A brief look at the smartlist scripts shows that it tries to be a
little too inteligent. It will recognize de-scription the opposite of
sub-scription as well as trying to find messages that should have been
sent to the request address instead of the submition address.

 I'll have to learn some more about procmail, which smartlist is based on,
before i dare modify it.


/Anders

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I updated the textutils package. It seems that the current maintainer
(David Boswell) can't be reached. I wasn't able to produce a valid
changes file because dchanges isn't following the ``underscores convention'',
so until then it can be found on:

ftp://iaehv.nl /pub/users/branderh

Erick

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I'm mirroring the unstable Debian binaries from ftp.caldera.com.

I haven't seen any updates there for quite a while.  I thought that
a bunch of packages were moved out of incoming not to long ago.
Shouldn't I have seen these at ftp.caldera.com by now?

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   Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 03:18 BST
   From: Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>

   mt and rmt are distributed by the GNU people with cpio.  cpio isn't
   large, and ought to be installed on almost any system (it's sometimes
   assumed to be present by things).

   Is it really that awful to have to install cpio to get mt and rmt ??

No, except that there are two conflicting mt's, and from perusing
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/README.st, it looks to me like the one that
doesn't come with cpio (i.e., mt-st) is the better one to use.  If mt gets
bundled with cpio, users will have to choose between cpio and better mt.

(The package descriptions for both mt's don't really hint at the difference
between the two--I'm going to send a bug report on this...)

--Mike

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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:40:21 -0500 (CDT)
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I'm changed debian-user to debian-devel since that forum is more
appropriate for this discussion.

H.J. Lu writes:
> > This has already been debated enough.  Debian will continue to include
> > known-working kernel headers with libc unless and until that
> > arrangement proves to be unworkable.  As I have time, I will continue
> > to encourage H.J. Lu and other Linux distributors to do the same.
> 
> I still prefer to use the kernel source installed on the
> system. It is not easy.

What is not easy?  If you mean keeping libc working with ever changing
kernel headers, then I agree.  That's what we're trying to address here.

> But otherwise, you may get inconsistent result in system calls.

Please explain.  A program compiled with a known working set of libc
and kernel headers should continue to run fine under newer kernels.
Do you not agree?

The old arrangement of using the headers from the kernel de jour
worked well for a long time.  It may very well have been the only
viable way to do things when both the kernel and libc were evolving at
rapid rates.  Times have changed though, and it's more important now
to provide a stable development environment for regular users than it
is to make the very latest kernel feature immediately available
through libc for system developers.

IMO, the approach we've taken with Debian gives us the best of both
worlds.  Regular users get a stable development environment that isn't
affected by potentially incompatible changes in kernel headers (such
as moving linux/vm86.h to asm/vm86.h) and system developers can still
use -I/usr/src/linux/include if they need the very latest headers.

David
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> Then I see no problem in moving xforms there. Shall I create a new package
> or do we just move it? Also do I have to add 'Section: contrib' to the
> control file, or does it remain 'Section: x11' with a contrib entry in teh
> changes file?

The file should go in contrib/binary-i386/x11 . I haven't looked at contrib
in a while - if it's not organized like "unstable", it probably should be.

Probably the section in the control file should remain x11.

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Hi,

	I'm confused.  Is /etc not the directory where the system
configuration is kept, and thus the place for programs to look into
for startup files? or is /etc the place where the user may logically
find and modify conf-files, and the new directory being proposed be
the place for startup files not necesarily modified by the user?
(Lord, I can't even phrase the question cogently).

	manoj

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Package: kbd
Version: 0.91-1

Hi.

I'm not sure what's going on, but there may be a bug in here
somewhere. I installed using dselect.

Linux version 1.3.100 (root@nomis) (gcc version 2.7.2)
kbdconfig v1.0  -  Copyright (C)1996  Dominik Kubla
loadkeys version 0.89

1) loadkeys is too powerful

luser1 on a virtual terminal who runs loadkeys will screw up all
settings on all vts for all users who come later

simple solution:

      chmod u-a loadkeys and move it to /usr/sbin (/sbin ?)

2) kbdconfig doesn't (configure)

Whatever I try doing in reply to kbdconfig's questions and even if I
delete the config file first I always get this /etc/kbd/configure:

CONSOLE=
TERM=
KEYMAP=NONE
SOFTFONT=NONE

The questions mention [NONE] as defaults. Typing in anything _always_
gives NONE, accepting the default always works. I'm not sure why the
first two lines are blank.

3) loadkeys uk.map is weird

After it pressing the pound sign (shift-3 on this kbd) generates no
character, just a 'beep'. However, ctrl-v shift-3 reveals the code
generated to be \243.

This might be due to a display problem rather than a kbd map problem,
i.e., my problem.

4) location of config file seems unusual

How about /etc/kbd.conf instead of /etc/kbd/config?

5) install messages vanish

The Debian install script says some blurb much of which is lost when
the script runs kbdconfig for the first time. I know it can be found
in /var/lib/dpkg/info/kbd.postinst, but others might not.

6) kbd.postinst says 'date' instead of 'data'

Yours,
Giuliano Procida.

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Package: shellutils
Version: 1.12-5

>From the echo(1) man page:

   OPTIONS
       When GNU echo is invoked with exactly  one  argument,  the
       following options are recognized:

       --help Print  a	usage message on standard output and exit
	      successfully.

       --version
	      Print version information on standard  output  then
	      exit successfully.

However......

root:/root# echo --help
--help
root:/root# echo --version
--version

mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)


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Bruce Perens writes:
> We don't control what is on CDs, the CD manufacturer does. There is no
> reason to leave contrib off of a CD, I guess.

Then I see no problem in moving xforms there. Shall I create a new package
or do we just move it? Also do I have to add 'Section: contrib' to the
control file, or does it remain 'Section: x11' with a contrib entry in teh
changes file?

> I don't think that's a problem. IF xforms is available only as a binary

Good.

> and it's useful, consider taking some time to create a GPL clone of it. 

Good joke, Bruce. :-)

The static library is 450K. Where shall I take the time to write this?
Besides I don't have enough knowledge to do that anyway.

Michael

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Because I didn't want to have tcsh loaded every time I start a csh
script, I installed the csh package (version 5.26-2). 

Sometimes when I try to run a csh script or /bin/csh directly, it will
segfault.  This behavior is dependent on the directory (some
directories it does it, others it does not, and I can't find a
pattern).

tcsh does not have this problem.

Has anyone else seen this?  I'm going to try and verify the problems
and then submit a bug report.

-- 
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Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Overrides file additions"):
...
> 	I have a question about the kernel-image-X.X.XX packages.
> They are "Required" in the sense that a system without a kernel image
> is, well, not a unix system at all.

Right.

> 	However, any particular kernel-image-X.X.XX package is not
> required to be on the system, I could have a different version, or I
> might be using other means to boot the system (floppy, loadlin, etc),
> and this the image package is merely an "Important" one.

Right.

> 	I think that a kernel image is just Important, not required.

Making a package Required in dselect doesn't stop people removing it,
it merely tells them that they probably shouldn't.

> Also, now each version of the image package is a separate package, so
> it won't automatically upgrade the old images. Since it is well nigh
> impossible to get rid of an old, "Required", kernel image using
> dselect, it should not be labeled Required.

Why is it impossible to get rid of an old Required kernel image ?

> 	If the latter (kernel image == Important) is the case, then
> the override file should be so modified.

Indeed, but I disagree with your analysis so far.  If you'd like to
explain in more detail I'll be happy to listen.

Ian.

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Package: perl
Version: 5.002-7

>From unstable/binary-i386/Packages:
 Package: perl
 priority: important
 section: devel
 maintainer: Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 version: 5.002-7
 depends: libc5, libgdbm1, libdb1
 recommends: source | includes
 ...

`source' and `includes' don't exist any more.

I'd recommend that the Perl package be changed to refer to some more
appropriate package name.

It would be even better if the Perl package(s) could ship a
ready-h2ph'd set of .ph files.

Ian.

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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Coleman <coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu> writes:

    Mike> The package descriptions for mt-st and
    Mike> cpio-st don't give any hint to a novice user as to which is
    Mike> to be preferred.  It looks to me, based on
    Mike> /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/README.st, that mt-st should be
    Mike> the preferred one.  If this is true, both package desc's
    Mike> should say something about this.

Here is what I propose.  Let's place GNU mt and rmt (from cpio-mt) in
the cpio package and retire the mt-st package.  Now that I have added
SCSI tape support to GNU mt, it does everything that mt-st does plus
more.  The cpio will become the Debian package for tape drive support,
and I shall modify the package description of cpio to stress this.

Ian Jackson has been trying to get me to do this for some time.  I've
been waiting until any bugs in GNU mt's SCSI features have been
eliminated.  Since I have not recently received any bug reports about
the new SCSI features, I am ready to recommend GNU mt as Debian's only
version of mt.  This should simplify the mt situation.

--
Brian <brian@debian.org>

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I've taken all the packages I'd put in x11 just because they used x
and some from devel that were there just because they were used for
the relevant kind of development rather than runtime and moved them
into (mainly) graphics.

They daily cron job bombed out last night, so I haven't had a check on
lack of correspondence between directory in the archive and Section in
the packages files yet.  This will happen soon, I hope.

I'll post a revised list of changes soon.

Ian.

Rob Browning writes ("Re: Overrides file additions"):
> Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> > gimp-dmotif	extra		x11
> > gimp-smotif	optional	x11
> 
> Why would this go in x11 and not graphics?  It's an image editing
> program that just so happens to use X.  Did I misunderstand the
> purpose of the x11 directory?  I thought it was for the X distribution
> itself and other really X specific stuff.
> 
> If x11's for all the programs that just *use* X, then emacs,
> ucbmpeg_play, and many of the games need to be moved there.

Austin Donnelly writes ("Re: Overrides file additions"):
> In article <m0uQdXf-0002ZQC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> you write:
...
> >gimp-dmotif	extra		x11
> >gimp-smotif	optional	x11
> >xpaint		optional	x11
> 
> Should these maybe go in the graphics section?  What sort of stuff is
> 'graphics' for anyway?

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I've got a need for a more sophisticated powerd than the one you
include with sysvinit, so I'm packaging Alessandro Rubini's powerd for
Debian.

One obvious problem presents itself in that the new powerd has the
same name, etc, as the one in sysvinit.  I see four ways to deal with
this, and would like input:

 1) split sysvinit into sysvinit and sysvinit-powerd.  Probably
unpopular.

 2) remove powerd from sysvinit entirely, and make the new powerd
conflict with older versions.  Easy.

 3) make powerd replace sysvinit powerd.  Also not unreasonable, but
upgrading sysvinit could do unexpected things.

 4) use update-alternatives to allow selecting one.  I don't know
exactly what this entails.

I favor #2 for its simplicity.  I feel certain David Engel would
complain about #1 (and rightly so, IMHO).  #3 is really just a more
dangerous variant of #2.  I'm not sure what the point of #4 would be.

Have I missed anything?

Mike.
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Chris Hanson writes:
>
> Package: modules
> Version: 1.3.69k-1
>
> The shell script "/etc/init.d/modules" allows the specification of a
> keyword "auto", which means start the kerneld immediately.  This fails
> to work, because the "/etc/init.d/kerneld" script refers to "grep",
> which is not available at that time.

I've changed that to use cd instead. Thanks. The new version (1.3.69k-3)
will be uploaded as soon as I'm back to my stable net connection in my
office. I close this bug report.

> I ran into this problem while attempting to fix another, separately
> reported, bug -- I was trying to get the "serial" module loaded early
> enough to prevent errors when "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" was run.  I
> assumed that it was the intention that kerneld be running when
> 0setserial was run, so that the module would be available.

This should work. You're right the intention is to allow kerneld to handle
all modules. For instance I let it load all these fat filesystem modules I
need when mounting partitions in fstab.

Michael
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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Coleman <coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu> writes:


    Mike> No, except that there are two conflicting mt's, and from
    Mike> perusing /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/README.st, it looks to
    Mike> me like the one that doesn't come with cpio (i.e., mt-st) is
    Mike> the better one to use.  If mt gets bundled with cpio, users
    Mike> will have to choose between cpio and better mt.

Okay.  Here's the deal with mt.  The only advantage that mt-st has had
over GNU mt is that mt-st has been hacked to support SCSI tape drives
(which is why the README packaged with the SCSI tape drivers
recommends it).  This is no longer true, since I have added SCSI
support to Debian's version of GNU mt.

Since my new version of GNU mt was untried, I did not include it in
the cpio package (and instead placed it in its own small package
cpio-mt) for the reason cited above, that is I did not want to force
users into a decision between cpio and a version of mt that is known
to support SCSI drives.  In the time since I released cpio-mt for
testing, I have received one bug report, which I have fixed, and one
message indicating that the SCSI features of GNU mt work.  I can't
test the SCSI features of mt myself because I don't have a SCSI drive.

Now that it supports all of the SCSI features, GNU mt is the superior
version of mt.  The other version, mt-st, is lacking some operations
supported by GNU mt, and it cannot access remote tape drives via rmt.
Furthermore, I've found that mt-st does not support floppy-controlled
(FTAPE) tape drives, which I use.

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Wirzenius <liw@iki.fi> writes:

    Lars> BTW, both dump and cpio-mt have rmt, dump in /sbin/rmt,
    Lars> cpio-mt in /usr/sbin/rmt.  Is this on purpose?

I was not aware of this.  I'll download and look at dump soon.  In
cpio-mt, I placed rmt in /usr/sbin because I did not think that it
qualified to be placed in /sbin, especially since cpio and mt, which
use rmt, are located in /usr/bin.  Can anyone argue for placing rmt in
/sbin?  I also symbolically linked rmt into /etc since this is where
tar, cpio, and mt will look for it.

--
Brian <brian@debian.org>

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Here's the new list of additions, as modified to take account of
people's comments.

Ian.

bsdmainutils	important	admin
lsof		standard	admin
apmd		optional	admin
hfsutils	optional	admin
mdutils		optional	admin
modconf		optional	admin
nis		optional	admin
open		optional	admin
tcl75		optional	admin
tob		optional	admin
vlock		optional	admin
cpio-mt		extra		admin
mingetty	extra		admin
news		extra		admin
bdflush		required	base
debian-utils	required	base
getty		required	base
kernel-image-1.3.100   required	base
login		required	base
passwd		required	base
util-linux	required	base
xringd		extra		comm
kernel-source-1.3.100  standard	devel
libg++27	standard	devel
cdwrite		optional	devel
ddd-smotif	optional	devel
libc4-dev	optional	devel
libc5-dbg	optional	devel
libobjects	optional	devel
libwww-perl	optional	devel
perl-tk		optional	devel
pgapack		optional	devel
tcl75-dev	optional	devel
zlib1-dev	optional	devel
ddd-dmotif	extra		devel
ilu		extra		devel
kernel-headers-1.3.100	extra	devel
libc5-pic	extra		devel
ncurses3.0-pic	extra		devel
ratfor77	extra		devel
win32binutils	extra		devel
win32gcc	extra		devel
win32libs	extra		devel
manpages-de	optional	doc
wgerman		optional	doc
axe		optional	editors
elviscmn	optional	editors
elvisctags	optional	editors
elvisnox	optional	editors
elvisx11	optional	editors
xcoral		extra		editors
xcoral-doc	extra		editors
x10		extra		electronics
nethack		standard	games
maelstrom	optional	games
xbattle		optional	games
abuse		extra		games
aout-svgalib	optional	graphics
gimp-smotif	optional	graphics
libjpeg6a	optional	graphics
libjpeg6a-dev	optional	graphics
libpng1		optional	graphics
libpng1-dev	optional	graphics
svgalib1	optional	graphics
svgalib1-bin	optional	graphics
svgalib1-dev	optional	graphics
xpaint		optional	graphics
gimp-dmotif	extra		graphics
libgr		extra		graphics
libgr-dev	extra		graphics
mesa		extra		graphics
mpack		standard	mail
deliver		optional	mail
imapd		optional	mail
tkmail		extra		mail
paridoc		extra		math
spline		extra		math
color-ls	optional	misc
zlib1		optional	misc
dbview		extra		misc
mailcrypt	extra		misc
pc532down	extra		misc
seesat5		extra		misc
dnsutils	standard	net
mime-support	standard	net
apache		optional	net
ipx		optional	net
ncpfs		optional	net
weblint		optional	net
xntp-doc	optional	net
netscape	extra		net
scotty		extra		net
tkined		extra		net
uutraf		extra		net
zircon		extra		net
inews		optional	news
inn		optional	news
nntp		optional	news
cnews		extra		news
suck		extra		news
csh		optional	shells
sox		standard	sound
bibtool		optional	tex
latex2e-doc	optional	tex
apsfilter	optional	text
igerman		optional	text
vgrind		optional	text
xpm4.7		standard	x11
9menu		optional	x11
9wm		optional	x11
aout-xpm	optional	x11
fvwm2		optional	x11
gwm		optional	x11
tk41		optional	x11
tk41-dev	optional	x11
tkdesk		optional	x11
tkdiff		optional	x11
xpm4.7-dev	optional	x11
xautolock	extra		x11
xcolors		extra		x11
xless		extra		x11
xpaste		extra		x11
xpostit		extra		x11
xtel		extra		xtel

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Brian Mays wrote:

>Here is what I propose.  Let's place GNU mt and rmt (from cpio-mt) in
>the cpio package and retire the mt-st package.  Now that I have added
>SCSI tape support to GNU mt, it does everything that mt-st does plus
>more.  The cpio will become the Debian package for tape drive support,
>and I shall modify the package description of cpio to stress this.

As the mt-st maintainer, I have no objection to this.

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Brian Mays, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Here is what I propose.  Let's place GNU mt and rmt (from cpio-mt) in
>the cpio package and retire the mt-st package.  Now that I have added
>SCSI tape support to GNU mt, it does everything that mt-st does plus
>more.  The cpio will become the Debian package for tape drive support,
>and I shall modify the package description of cpio to stress this.

Have the features such as datcompression been implemented yet?  Last I
checked, it segfaulted...

Darren
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Ian Jackson, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Package: perl
>Version: 5.002-7
>
>>From unstable/binary-i386/Packages:
> Package: perl
> recommends: source | includes
>
>`source' and `includes' don't exist any more.
>
>I'd recommend that the Perl package be changed to refer to some more
>appropriate package name.

Version 5.002-9 is ready to be uploaded and recommends libc5-dev.  I was
reading debian-devel to make sure that I didn't miss something nasty.

>It would be even better if the Perl package(s) could ship a
>ready-h2ph'd set of .ph files.

That's my plan for -10 but I wanted to make sure that I:
1) got a package into the release that had a correct Recommends
2) got it right

Darren
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Package: fortune
Version: 2.1-1

Fortune require libc.so.4 but I only have libc.so.5

I think either fortune need to be recompiled or a
dependency on libc4 should be added to the package.

Urban.Koistinen@abc.se - epi@algonet.se


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To: mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu (Michael Alan Dorman)
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You (Michael Alan Dorman) wrote:
> I've got a need for a more sophisticated powerd than the one you
> include with sysvinit, so I'm packaging Alessandro Rubini's powerd for
> Debian.
> 
> One obvious problem presents itself in that the new powerd has the
> same name, etc, as the one in sysvinit.  I see four ways to deal with
> this, and would like input:
>
>  2) remove powerd from sysvinit entirely, and make the new powerd
> conflict with older versions.  Easy.

Yep, I think that is what should be done. I always felt that powerd should
be in a seperate package. If you tell me when your package is ready,
we can coordinate the releases of a new sysvinit and powerd where powerd
would depend on >= versions of the new sysvinit package.

I don't know what to do with users that actually use the old powerd-
but I don't think anybody _is_ using it at the moment.

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I hope Bruce won't mind me cc:'ing this back to debian-devel---he
brings up issues that could stand to have world input, especially
since there's stuff I flat don't know enough about.

In message <m0uR2Dt-0005zFC@mongo.pixar.com>, Bruce Perens writes:
>Note that sysvinit is a base package, and you have no choice about installing
>it. Although powerd and its man page are very small, they probably don't
>belong in the base system.

Um.  Well.  Better tell MvS about that, seeing as how there's already
one there, installed courtesy of sysvinit. :-)

No, really, I agree.

>Note that there are a lot more power daemons. "amsd", "genpower", etc.

I haven't looked at genpower, yet, though I've seen it.  Supposedly
the author of genpower and Alessandro Rubini intended to merge their
two daemons---this was a while ago.  I may look into doing that, if
genpower actually has anything to offer over powerd.

I'm also not familiar with amsd---is it linux-specific, or unix-generic?

>There are a few different ways to power down the computer. You can send a
>command to the UPS, you can tell APM BIOS to power it down, or you can use
>an X-10 switch. The last time I asked about this the suggestion I got was to
>use an init level for power-down. Perhaps we should standardize which init
>level this is.

We already have.  Or, maybe I should say that MvS has done so for us,
while no one was looking.  It's all in sysvinit, from lines in inittab
to scripts in /etc/init.d.  All I had to do was provide a powerd that
would send SIGPWR to init.

Most of the powerd's out there seem to be based on the one included
with sysvinit since way back.

>Also, how much should the UPS and APM interact?

Toughie.  I'd guess that, assuming there's a command available that
will use APM to shut down everything non-essential, it would be
appropriate for the /etc/init.d/powerfail script to call that command
(or a script) as part of its shutdown procedures, in order to extend
battery life.

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Michael Alan Dorman writes:
> I've got a need for a more sophisticated powerd than the one you
> include with sysvinit, so I'm packaging Alessandro Rubini's powerd for
> Debian.
> 
> One obvious problem presents itself in that the new powerd has the
> same name, etc, as the one in sysvinit.  I see four ways to deal with
> this, and would like input:
> 
>  1) split sysvinit into sysvinit and sysvinit-powerd.  Probably
> unpopular.
> 
>  2) remove powerd from sysvinit entirely, and make the new powerd
> conflict with older versions.  Easy.
> 
>  3) make powerd replace sysvinit powerd.  Also not unreasonable, but
> upgrading sysvinit could do unexpected things.
> 
>  4) use update-alternatives to allow selecting one.  I don't know
> exactly what this entails.
> 
> I favor #2 for its simplicity.  I feel certain David Engel would
> complain about #1 (and rightly so, IMHO).  #3 is really just a more
> dangerous variant of #2.  I'm not sure what the point of #4 would be.
> 
> Have I missed anything?

I prefer the following approaches:

5) Package your powerd separately and use dpkg-divert to override the
one in sysvinit.

6) Same as 5.  When/if enough people like the new version, ask Miquel
to incorporate it into sysvinit.

David
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Kai Henningsen writes ("Re: Can we have a /etc/debian in base?"):
> ...
> > Umm ... _can_ any of these things be used to differentiate between a  
> > Debian system and, say, a Red Hat system that only has dpkg installed so  
> > it can use some Debian packages?

debian systems have /etc/debian_version
redhat systems have /etc/redhat-release

Both are set up by their respective base packages, so I doubt you'd
find both.


Guy

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Mike Coleman writes:
 >    Yes, it is still true that these links are required.  Packages should
 >    create them.
 > 
 >    The best way is for the package to create the link libfoo.so to
 >    libfoo.so.x rather than to libfoo.so.x.y - this will involve less
 >    mucking about when then library version changes.

Maybe it would be nice to have such a choice be consitent across all
packages, which is not the case actually...

Yves.

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I've uploaded the following to master.
In -8, someone objected to the split-out of suid and debug into
additional packages.  I then asked for suggestions on other ways to
package it considering that suidperl is a possible security hole and
debugperl is just plain large.  No one spoke up, so I'm continuing this
way.

Bruce asked for the Perl binary in a separate package with possibly some
small pieces added from the perllib.  I asked what pieces were needed.
I never got an answer, so Perl is still a monolithic package.

I've left the filenames in a way that dchanges 3.3 would like them since
Bruce said it was okay to have '-' in all the parts of the filename for
now.  I'll change it for the next release (or when dchanges accepts it.)

Darren
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Priority: Low
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Version: 5.002-9
Binary:  perl perl-suid perl-debug
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
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        * Changed recommends of perl from source | includes to libc5-dev
          in accord with where the include files actually come from
        * Added the following Priority fields: Perl - Important (from
          Packages), perl-suid - Standard, perl-debug - Optional
        * use dpkg-name instead of a manual move
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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.2elf    

I installed fdutils-4.3-1 and getty-1.0-4 which finally replaced whatever I
had left from the now deceased miscutils package which was therefore purged.
Quite amazing actually how well the package dependency scheme works.

The only thing that worries me a little is that two conffiles still seem to
belong to miscutils even though miscutils was automagically purged

    miles:~ [root] # dpkg -s miscutils
    Package: miscutils
    Status: purge ok not-installed
    Priority: required
    Section: base
    Conffiles:
     /etc/fdprm 7213ed72fc15d0184b428cb34df34d2d
     /etc/securetty b2786c62a3aa9a21df2f3e4eb9e42ecd      

and, more worrying, also belong to two other packages. The login package took
over /etc/securetty, and getty took over /etc/fdprm.  So shouldn't they be
removed from the miscutils status display?

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>>>>> "D/T/W" == "Darren/Torin/Who Ever " <torin@daft.com> writes:

    D/T/W> Have the features such as datcompression been implemented
    D/T/W> yet?  Last I checked, it segfaulted...

The mt program was segfaulting when the datcompression command was
requested, but it was also segfaulting on other commands.  I fixed a
bug that was causing mt to segfault (simply a misplaced line in the
source), but I don't know whether the datcompression segfault was
caused by this bug, or something in the datcompression code.  However,
I have not received any more reports of segfaults, so I can only
assume that it now works.  The latest version of cpio-mt is 2.4.2-2.
Version 2.4.2-1 had the segfault bug.

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I'd like to suggest that packages without man pages but with an info
manual adds a minimal manual page telling the user to read the info
manual. It helps. As an example, after installing gimp, I ran it and
got a fatal error (no .gimprc file). I tried a man: no man page...
Quite frustrating, isn't it?

Yves.

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950910091041.14951D-100000@bb29c> Bill Mitchell <mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com> writes:

> PACKAGE: base system
>
> I haven't seen Bruce's 0.93r6 base system, but note that my current
> system has the files bug-log-access.txt, bug-reporting.txt, and
> mailing-lists.txt installed directly in /usr/doc.

These were installed by the base disks, and at this time they were not
part of the base package. Therefore they were not deleted when a new
base package not containing these files was installed.

>  We had previously
> established a convention that /usr/doc was to contain just
> subdirectories (plus, possibly, a README file explaining what
> /usr/doc is all about).  These files should go in /usr/doc/DEBIAN,
> I'd say.

These files are now in /usr/doc/debian, provided by the doc-debian
package.

> Also, these files don't appear to have been installed by a package
> (at least they don't appear in any of my /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list
> files).

As explained above.

These files will be deleted by the upcoming doc-debian's postinst.
I will upload a new version soon.

	Sven
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        Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu>
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> It's all in sysvinit, from lines in inittab
> to scripts in /etc/init.d.  All I had to do was provide a powerd that
> would send SIGPWR to init.

No, I mean to turn off the system voluntarily, not when there is a power
failure.

	Bruce
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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.2elf

(I first sent this to debian-devel and not here.)

I installed fdutils-4.3-1 and getty-1.0-4 which finally replaced whatever I
had left from the now deceased miscutils package which was therefore purged.
Quite amazing actually how well the package dependency scheme works.

The only thing that worries me a little is that two conffiles still seem to
belong to miscutils even though miscutils was automagically purged

    miles:~ [root] # dpkg -s miscutils
    Package: miscutils
    Status: purge ok not-installed
    Priority: required
    Section: base
    Conffiles:
     /etc/fdprm 7213ed72fc15d0184b428cb34df34d2d
     /etc/securetty b2786c62a3aa9a21df2f3e4eb9e42ecd

and, more worrying, also belong to two other packages. The login package took
over /etc/securetty, and getty took over /etc/fdprm.  So shouldn't they be
removed from the miscutils status display?

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Yves Arrouye <arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> writes:

> I'd like to suggest that packages without man pages but with an info
> manual adds a minimal manual page telling the user to read the info
> manual. It helps. As an example, after installing gimp, I ran it and
> got a fatal error (no .gimprc file). I tried a man: no man page...
> Quite frustrating, isn't it?

Right, but I didn't know a better way to handle that.  I could say
something in the postinst, but that'll only help the installer.  So I
settled on the README.1st.  I'd be happy to entertain better
solutions.  Perhaps this behavior should be filed as a bug upstream...

I like the man points to info idea...

--
Rob


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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.3elf

According to the update-rc.d(8) man page:

  REMOVING SCRIPTS
         When invoked with the remove option,  update-rc.d  removes
         the  script and links to the script for the package <base-
         name>.   It  first  finds  and  removes  the   script   in
         /etc/init.d/  and  then removes all links to the script in
         /etc/rc[0123456].d/.

But:

  deimos:proj/debian/sendmail:[11]# update-rc.d sendmail remove
  update-rc.d: error: /etc/init.d/sendmail exists during rc.d purge.
  zsh: 1034 exit 1     update-rc.d sendmail remove

I wanted to use `update-rc.d sendmail remove' from sendmail's preinst, since
calling `update-rc.d sendmail defaults' won't renumber the links if they are
already present in the /etc/rc?.d directories. Do I need to remove the script
from /etc/init.d first myself, or shouldn't update-rc.d handle it?

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> hfsutils	optional	admin

This package belongs in the same section as `mtools', whatever that ends up
being (currently it's misc).

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Package: auto-pgp
Version: 1.04

The post install script for auto-pgp installs an entry into the info
documenation system, but there is no pre-rm or post-rm script to remove
that entry when auto-pgp is removed.

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Ian Jackson writes:
> To debian-devel and the package maintainer: I think that most of
> these problems are upstream ones; some may require considerable
> effort to fix, so I'm causing the bug system to CC the linuxdoc-sgml
> mailing list.

All of these problems are unfortunately not Debian specific.  These are
all problems with Linuxdoc-SGML, and all are good candidates to be fixed.

Greg

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Someone told me they were working on a libtiff package a while back,
but I can't recall who.  It's the only thing holding up the removal of
the gimp's dependency on libgr.

If whoever was planning it doesn't have time for it right now, I'll
volunteer to take it over (even if just temporarily).  It's a little
awkward now since you can't, for example, install the latest xfig and
gimp together because libjpeg and libgr conflict.

Thanks
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Package: auctex
Version 9.3c-2

The postrm script for auctex has the perl command:

>system("/usr/bin/install-info --quiet --remove auctex");

install-info is in /usr/sbin/install-info.

I would suggest removing the absolute path, and using just
"install-info".  The postinst script does this.

I am in the process of laboriously recreating by hand a complete info
system based on the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info.  As such, I am in a
position to  effectively audit the scripts use of install-info on my
system.  I will report bugs as I find them.


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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.0

As installed by the base package, /usr/info/dir ends with a line saying
"General Commands"

Using the install-info command from the acct package post-inst script
(with the --quiet flag removed), install-info adds two new sections, an
"Administration" section and a "Miscellaneous" section.

However, the /usr/info/dir file now ends with the line
"Miscellaneous:General Commands".  I believe that the ":General
Commands" is erroneous, and shouldn't be there.


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stallions."  -- Ezekiel 23:20



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**On 03 Jun, In article "Overrides file additions",
**	IJ (Ian Jackson) writes:
IJ>xcoral	extra		x11
IJ>xcoral-doc	extra		x11

I prefer, 
xcoral		extra		editors
xcoral-doc	extra		editors

	(maybe aXe too?)
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>>>>> "Buddha" == Buddha Buck <phaedrus@dreamscape.com> writes:

    Buddha> The prerm script for cpio has the following line in it:

    >> install-info --quiet --remove xboard

    Buddha> I would suggest replacing the "xboard" with "cpio"

This will be changed in cpio-2.4.2-4, which I shall be uploading
presently.

--
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Carlos Carvalho wrote:

> Package: apsfilter
> Version: 4.9.1-6
>
> I mount the debian packages directory from the disk server. It's
> exported read only. I tried to configure apsfilter in a client, but it
> fails because it can't write to the filesystem. I think this is a bug.
> It should write to somewhere like /tmp.

I'm afraid I don't understand, which file is it attempting to write, how
exactly is the filesystem mounted (where, etc.). Is it trying to write the
config files (in /etc), or the spool directories (in /var/spool/lpd)?

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Package: dpkg
Version 1.2.0

A coworker has been installing debian from recently downloaded
files.  He's been using dselect, no direct use of dpkg.  He
had installed nvi, vim, and elvis; and wanted elvis as his
default editor.  He hadn't figured out how to accomplish that
but, in the process of trying, had manually rearranged some
links in /etc/alternatives.

I used dpkg --remove to get rid of nvi, then did the same thing
with vim.  However, we were left with /usr/alternatives/vi pointing
to /usr/bin/vim, which did not exist.

I manually re-pointed it to /usr/bin/elvisnox, and that allowed
him to use vi.  However, subsequent attenpts force the links to
consistency with "dpkg --install elvisx11.deb" produce a message
to the effect that updates to /etc/alternatives/vi are "disabled".

I haven't had time to look at the update-alternatives script
to figure out why it wants to "disable" updates and, not being a
perl programmer, I'm really not anxious to do that anyhow.

Question:  How does my co-worker convince update-alternatives
to update /etc/alternatives/vi when vi packages are changed?

Bug:  I guess that I'm concerned that it was so easy for him to
get into this mess, and that it's not clear how to get out.

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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Brian Mays wrote, in private email:

>I'm uploading a new version of the cpio package.  It now includes GNU
>mt.  I've eliminated the cpio-mt package and set cpio to conflict with
>and replace both cpio-mt and mt-st.

Would the distribution maintainers please retire the mt-st package?
Thanks.


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There seems to be some mystery around subscriptions to debian-bugs. The
current debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt does _not_ mention the list at all
(presumably because it is still run out of pixar.com ?).

I recommended a direct attempt of subscription via
debian-bugs-request@pixar.com to Carlos, and this is what he got.

Could someone please clarify the situatiuon? Is this likely to migrate to
Sweden as the others did? If so, when?

Thanks, Dirk 

------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
From: Carlos Carvalho <carlos@riglos.fisica.ufpr.br>
To: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
Subject: how to subscribe to debian-bugs?
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 17:29 EST

It seeems it's not so easy to get debian-bugs... I sent a subscribe
msg. to debian-bugs-request@pixar.com and got this reply:

 >> subscribe
 >There is no debian-bugs mailing list.  If you wish to review bug reports
 >please do so via http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/debian-bugs/.
 >
 >See http://www.rahul.net/perens/Debian/MailingLists.html
 >for details of Debian mailing lists.

Netscape says this page contains no data... There's no mention of
mailing lists in /usr/doc either.

Carlos
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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:

> I recommended a direct attempt of subscription via
> debian-bugs-request@pixar.com to Carlos, and this is what he got.
> 
> Could someone please clarify the situatiuon? Is this likely to migrate to
> Sweden as the others did? If so, when?

I didn't think that you ever really subscribed to debian-bugs.  As I
understand it, all the relevant messages are automatically posted to
debian-devel.

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Package: login
Version: 1.0-4

I installed this login package yesterday. Five minutes ago, I tried to login
on tty1 as root to check the new modconf out. "Root login refused." I was
puzzled and read some man pages. I also checked my /etc/securetty _but did
not change a thing_.

Being stubborn, I tried again. And succeeded with a login.  Is this really
the intended behaviour?

Here's the piece from /var/adm/auth.log:

Jun  5 16:29:20 miles login: LOGIN root REFUSED ON TTY tty??
Jun  5 16:29:49 miles last message repeated 2 times
Jun  5 16:38:11 miles login: ROOT LOGIN ON tty1

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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> mingetty is in the base directory on the FTP site, but so is getty.
> Which of these should be required/base and which optional/admin or
> extra/admin ?

getty (really agetty) is required/base.  The other is admin.

> The lib{jpeg6a,png1,gr}-dev and svgalib1-dev packages are in devel at
> the moment, but I think they should be in graphics.  I'll move these
> too.

In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.

> I know that open has been withdrawn.  I'll remove it to a new
> `obsolete' directory (there didn't seem to be one when I looked
> yesterday) when nomis (the NFS server) is back.  Is vlock still
> current ?

/home/Debian/ftp/private/project/obsolete.

Note that this dir is not available from anon ftp.  That's good,
right?  I don't know about vlock.


Guy

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Package: xfig
Version: 3.1.4b-2

When upgrading an existing version of xfig, it does not prompt the
installer for color or mono app defaults, just blindly installs a link
to the color app defaults.  Shouldn't it either

a) prompt in this case
b) keep what's there?

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  Guy>  In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
  Guy> policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.

That clashes with the "put what is on the base floppies into base" rule. 

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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

>   Guy>  In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
>   Guy> policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.
> 
> That clashes with the "put what is on the base floppies into base" rule. 

ok, how about this:

If a library package foo is in base, foo-dev should go in devel.
Otherwise both foo and foo-dev should go in the same section.


Guy

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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Christopher C. Chimelis wrote:

> I'm currently trying to upgrade my 0.93R6 installation to test the 1.1
> beta (aka "unstable").  I know I've got to upgrade my dpkg first, but when
> trying to install the dpkg-1.2.3elf.deb, it gives me the following:

Paradoxically, you can't install an elf base package until you have a
recent dpkg.  Recent dpkgs are all elf so...

There is a special a.out version of dpkg in /debian/upgrades.  Upgrade
to that by hand (ie - use dpkg, not dselect).  Then you can upgrade the
rest of the packages.

So this bug is more of a documentation problem.


Guy

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Package: ftp.debian.org
Version: 1996-06-04

On two mirrors of ftp.debian.org, I did not find a gzip package in
unstable/binary-i386/base/ (ftp.debian.org itself is too busy to let
me check).

It used to be there (I got version 1.2.4-10), and it seems to be
necessary for people who want to upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1.

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David Engel writes ("Re: Links for Libraries"):
...
> Stephen is right.  The .so symlink should point to .so.x.y.  This is
> because the .so symlink, which is provided in the -dev packages, is
> used for linking by ld and must point to the specific library which
> matches the header files in the -dev package.  If the .so symlink
> points to the .so.x symlink, as Ian suggests, the .so symlink and
> header files can get out of sync if the user installs a newer library,
> obtained from somewhere else, and runs ldconfig.

Right.  I'll try to make sure that the new policy manual explains
this.

Ian.

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Bruce Perens writes ("Re: Binary-only packages"):
> > Then I see no problem in moving xforms there. Shall I create a new package
> > or do we just move it? Also do I have to add 'Section: contrib' to the
> > control file, or does it remain 'Section: x11' with a contrib entry in teh
> > changes file?
> 
> The file should go in contrib/binary-i386/x11 . I haven't looked at contrib
> in a while - if it's not organized like "unstable", it probably should be.
> 
> Probably the section in the control file should remain x11.

contrib and non-free are not laid out like unstable, because they have
so few packages.  contrib in particular is very small, and
subdirectories would be pointless.

At the moment packages in contrib and non-free have section contrib
and non-free, as appropriate, and usually priority extra.  Should we
continue this policy ?  dselect supports a `contrib' priority, but we
haven't used it.

Ian.

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Michael Alan Dorman writes ("sysvinit vs. new powerd..."):
...
>  2) remove powerd from sysvinit entirely, and make the new powerd
> conflict with older versions.  Easy.
...
>  3) make powerd replace sysvinit powerd.  Also not unreasonable, but
> upgrading sysvinit could do unexpected things.
...
>  4) use update-alternatives to allow selecting one.  I don't know
> exactly what this entails.

I have no knowledge about powerd as a specific application, but when
you've decided what the final arrangement of packages should be
*please* come and ask me *before* releasing any new packages with
funky things in the control files.

If you tell me what the state of the packages is now and what you want
it to be I'll tell you what to put in the control files.

If you don't ask me you'll probably tie yourself in knots.

Ian "writing a manual, honest" Jackson.

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Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("purged package has conffiles"):
...
>     miles:~ [root] # dpkg -s miscutils
>     Package: miscutils
>     Status: purge ok not-installed
>     Priority: required
>     Section: base
>     Conffiles:
>      /etc/fdprm 7213ed72fc15d0184b428cb34df34d2d
>      /etc/securetty b2786c62a3aa9a21df2f3e4eb9e42ecd      
> 
> and, more worrying, also belong to two other packages. The login package took
> over /etc/securetty, and getty took over /etc/fdprm.  So shouldn't they be
> removed from the miscutils status display?

Ooops.  They should.  I *think* there are no serious harmful effects
from this bug.

I've fixed it for dpkg 1.2.4 (which will also remove these spurious
entries from the status file).

Ian.

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Rob Leslie writes ("Bug#3215: `update-rc.d remove' doesn't remove /etc/init.d script"):
...
>   REMOVING SCRIPTS
>          When invoked with the remove option,  update-rc.d  removes
>          the  script and links to the script for the package <base-
>          name>.   It  first  finds  and  removes  the   script   in
>          /etc/init.d/  and  then removes all links to the script in
>          /etc/rc[0123456].d/.
> 
> But:
> 
>   deimos:proj/debian/sendmail:[11]# update-rc.d sendmail remove
>   update-rc.d: error: /etc/init.d/sendmail exists during rc.d purge.
>   zsh: 1034 exit 1     update-rc.d sendmail remove
> 
> I wanted to use `update-rc.d sendmail remove' from sendmail's preinst, since
> calling `update-rc.d sendmail defaults' won't renumber the links if they are
> already present in the /etc/rc?.d directories. Do I need to remove the script
> >from  /etc/init.d first myself, or shouldn't update-rc.d handle it?

This is a documentation bug.  update-rc.d requires you to remove the
script before calling it.  In the usual case (update-rc.d remove
called from postinst purge) dpkg will have removed the script already
because it's a conffile.

If you want to renumber links you shouldn't purge and reinstall the
links, you should renumber them.  This is so that you won't change
things if the sysadmin has (for example) changed which runlevels have
sendmail running.

I've edited the manpage to fix this; the change will be in 1.2.4.  I
may revise the manpage completely - it looks pretty ropey at the
moment.

I'll close the bug report.

Ian.

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Erick Branderhorst writes ("textutils 1.17 and weblint 1.016"):
> I updated the textutils package and the weblint package (I'm not the
> maintainer of these packages) and put these on 
> ftp: //iaehv.nl/pub/users/branderh/
> As soon as dchanges comes out (and the original maintainers don't object)
> I will upload these package to master / chiark.

Why did you release them, if we may ask ?

I'm sure you have a good reason, but it'd be nice to know.

Ian.

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Bill Mitchell writes ("Bug#3226: pkg update-alternatives confusion"):
...
> I manually re-pointed it to /usr/bin/elvisnox, and that allowed
> him to use vi.  However, subsequent attenpts force the links to
> consistency with "dpkg --install elvisx11.deb" produce a message
> to the effect that updates to /etc/alternatives/vi are "disabled".
> 
> I haven't had time to look at the update-alternatives script
> to figure out why it wants to "disable" updates and, not being a
> perl programmer, I'm really not anxious to do that anyhow.

The message printed by update-rc.d says:

 Automatic updates of /etc/alternatives/vi are disabled, leaving it alone.
 To return to automatic updates use `update-alternatives --auto vi'.

I just reproduced your situation on my machine, and
`update-alternatives --auto vi' did indeed return vi to automatic
updates, and update it there and then (to point to nvi in this case).

The automatic updates were disabled because you modified the link in
/etc/alternatives, as you're quite entitled to do, and
update-alternatives noticed this and thought you might like it not to
replace your configuration with its own.

> Question:  How does my co-worker convince update-alternatives
> to update /etc/alternatives/vi when vi packages are changed?

Please ask your co-worker to open their eyes next time.

I'm closing this bug report.

Ian.

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Guy Maor writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
> On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
> >   Guy>  In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
> >   Guy> policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.
> > 
> > That clashes with the "put what is on the base floppies into base" rule. 
> 
> ok, how about this:
> 
> If a library package foo is in base, foo-dev should go in devel.
> Otherwise both foo and foo-dev should go in the same section.

I agree with this and am minded to implement it.

Ian.

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Ian Jackson writes:
> contrib and non-free are not laid out like unstable, because they have
> so few packages.  contrib in particular is very small, and
> subdirectories would be pointless.
> 
> At the moment packages in contrib and non-free have section contrib
> and non-free, as appropriate, and usually priority extra.  Should we
> continue this policy ?  dselect supports a `contrib' priority, but we
> haven't used it.

This all makes sense to me.

David
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Oliver Schoett writes ("Bug#3229: gzip package missing from ftp.debian.org"):
> Package: ftp.debian.org
> Version: 1996-06-04
>
> On two mirrors of ftp.debian.org, I did not find a gzip package in
> unstable/binary-i386/base/ (ftp.debian.org itself is too busy to let
> me check).
>
> It used to be there (I got version 1.2.4-10), and it seems to be
> necessary for people who want to upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1.

Aaaaaargh !

What happened to it ?  Can anyone say why it was deleted ?  We appear
not to have any source or diffs either.

If the package maintainer (the most recent maintainer I have for this
is Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>) would like to reupload their latest
package they should do so.

Otherwise we'll be asking for someone who blew a CD-writeable recently
to send us the diffs (we can make do with just the debian diff, as we
can apply it to a recent GNU source package).

Ian.

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Buddha Buck writes ("Bug#3218: install-info adds Miscellaneous section badly"):
> Package: dpkg
> Version: 1.2.0
>
> As installed by the base package, /usr/info/dir ends with a line saying
> "General Commands"

Can you send me this file, please ?  I think there may be something
wrong with it.

> Using the install-info command from the acct package post-inst script
> (with the --quiet flag removed), install-info adds two new sections, an
> "Administration" section and a "Miscellaneous" section.
>
> However, the /usr/info/dir file now ends with the line
> "Miscellaneous:General Commands".  I believe that the ":General
> Commands" is erroneous, and shouldn't be there.

There is a bug here in install-info, namely a missing \n after the
colon of `Miscellaneous:'.

I think there is a bug in the base dir file too, which is why I'd like
a copy of it.  I've fixed the bug in install-info, it will be in dpkg
1.2.4.

Ian.

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> At the moment packages in contrib and non-free have section contrib
> and non-free, as appropriate, and usually priority extra.  Should we
> continue this policy ?

Yes.

> dselect supports a `contrib' priority, but we
> haven't used it.

A contrib priority wouldn't communicate any additional information.
Furthermore it's reasonable for packages there to be optional.


Guy

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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

>Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Bug#3146: 1.1 installation: ae doesn't work"):
>...
>> I'm not sure you're reading that snippet from the FSSTND correctly.
>> I'm not sure you're reading it incorrectly either, but I read it
>> differently.
>
>I *wrote* that snippet in the FSSTND !  The description of e2fsck is
>only an *example*. [...]
>Please, can't you just take my word for it ?

OK, OK.  I wasn't trying to start an argument, just seeking clarification.


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This is a compiler, so it probably belongs in devel. Really.

See alt.lang.intercal for details.

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Date: 05 Jun 96 22:40 UT
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Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
Source: intercal
Version: 0.13-1
Binary:  intercal
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 intercal: ick - Compiler for the Intercal language
Changes: 
 Initial debian release of the first working linux port of Intercal.
 .
 "This package is an implementation of the language INTERCAL designed by Don
 Woods and James Lyon, who have since spent more than twenty years trying to
 live it down."
Files:
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

>[...]
> Automatic updates of /etc/alternatives/vi are disabled, leaving it alone.
> To return to automatic updates use `update-alternatives --auto vi'.
>[...]
>Please ask your co-worker to open their eyes next time.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't think that would have
prevented the problem.  He didn't know that update-alternatives
existed -- it's run behind the scenes from the postinst, and the
output, even if it would have been sufficiently informative, scrolled
by during dselect processing.

I do see that "update-alternatives --help", if utterd, produces,
in part:
      update-alternatives --auto <name>
however, it wasn't crystal clear that that was the needed solution.

It's a doc problem, and I understand that you're working on docs.
Presumably, the docs will help when they appear.

In the meantime, please lighten up a bit.  The request was for help,
not for abuse.

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Aaaaaargh !
> 
> What happened to it ?  Can anyone say why it was deleted ?  We appear
> not to have any source or diffs either.

The ls-lR doesn't contain the files but it does contain the gzip.deb
symbolic link in msdos-i386.  The gzip.deb link in msdos-i386 isn't
there now.

Ian's scripts call mklslar first (aside - shouldn't that be last?).
Ergo the files were lost between one and two crontab runs ago.

Bdale - email me as soon as you reupload 1.2.4-10 so I can install it.


Guy

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On 5 Jun 1996, Mark W. Eichin wrote:

> This is a compiler, so it probably belongs in devel. Really.
> ...
>  d0f8dd0e574d46509c1a13b4cfb6beec  141540  misc  extra  intercal-0.13-1.i386.deb

What's wrong with this picture?


Guy

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> If the package maintainer (the most recent maintainer I have for this
> is Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>) would like to reupload their latest
> package they should do so.

I have just re-uploaded gzip-1.2.4-10.* to master.debian.org's Incoming
directory.

Bdale

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Some time ago I wrote a faster C replacement for the start-stop-daemon
perl script.  I use it for some time now (the most recent changes were
just a nicer help screen; the code is quite stable).

This makes the system boot faster (especially on low end machines),
and important system startup scripts no longer depend on another big
package (perl).  Maybe in the future we can get to the point where
a minimal system will work without perl installed at all (packages
which need it in {pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts would depend on perl).

The only problem known so far to me is that I have to reinstall this
program after every dpkg upgrade which overwrites it with that nice
slooow perl script :-).

Just compile this program and drop the binary in /usr/sbin instead
of the original /usr/sbin/start-stop-daemon perl script (make a copy
of it first, just in case).  See below for source code.  I placed it
in the public domain, but if it has to be GPL-ed to be included in
dpkg, just tell me.  Including it in dpkg would close Bug#1670.

I am posting it here so that it can be tested by more people than
just me.  Bugs are unlikely though.

Have fun,

Marek

/*
 * A rewrite of the original Debian's start-stop-daemon Perl script
 * in C (faster - it is executed many times during system startup).
 *
 * Written by Marek Michalkiewicz <marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl>,
 * public domain.
 */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdarg.h>
#include <signal.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <dirent.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <getopt.h>
#include <pwd.h>

#define VERSION "version 0.3, 1996-06-05"

static int testmode = 0;
static int quietmode = 0;
static int exitnodo = 1;
static int start = 0;
static int stop = 0;
static int signal_nr = 15;
static int user_id = -1;
static const char *userspec = NULL;
static const char *cmdname = NULL;
static char *execname = NULL;
static char *startas = NULL;
static const char *pidfile = NULL;
static const char *progname = "";

static struct stat exec_stat;

struct pid_list {
	struct pid_list *next;
	int pid;
};

static struct pid_list *found = NULL;
static struct pid_list *killed = NULL;

static void *xmalloc(int size);
static void push(struct pid_list **list, int pid);
static void do_help(void);
static void parse_options(int argc, char * const *argv);
static int pid_is_exec(int pid, const struct stat *esb);
static int pid_is_user(int pid, int uid);
static int pid_is_cmd(int pid, const char *name);
static void check(int pid);
static void do_pidfile(const char *name);
static void do_procfs(void);
static void do_stop(void);

#ifdef __GNUC__
static void fatal(const char *format, ...)
	__attribute__((noreturn, format(printf, 1, 2)));
static void badusage(const char *msg)
	__attribute__((noreturn));
#else
static void fatal(const char *format, ...);
static void badusage(const char *msg);
#endif

static void
fatal(const char *format, ...)
{
	va_list arglist;

	fprintf(stderr, "%s: ", progname);
	va_start(arglist, format);
	vfprintf(stderr, format, arglist);
	va_end(arglist);
	putc('\n', stderr);
	exit(2);
}


static void *
xmalloc(int size)
{
	void *ptr;

	ptr = malloc(size);
	if (ptr)
		return ptr;
	fatal("malloc(%d) failed", size);
}


static void
push(struct pid_list **list, int pid)
{
	struct pid_list *p;

	p = xmalloc(sizeof(*p));
	p->next = *list;
	p->pid = pid;
	*list = p;
}


static void
do_help(void)
{
	printf("\
start-stop-daemon for Debian Linux - small and fast C version written by\n\
Marek Michalkiewicz <marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl>, public domain.\n"
VERSION "\n\
\n\
Usage:
    start-stop-daemon -S|--start options ... -- arguments ...\n\
    start-stop-daemon -K|--stop options ...\n\
    start-stop-daemon -H|--help\n\
    start-stop-daemon -V|--version\n\
\n\
Options (at least one of --exec|--pidfile|--user is required):
    -x|--exec <executable>       program to start/check if it is running\n\
    -p|--pidfile <pid-file>      pid file to check\n\
    -u|--user <username>|<uid>   stop this user's processes\n\
    -n|--name <process-name>     stop processes with this name\n\
    -s|--signal <signal>         signal to send (default 15)\n\
    -a|--startas <pathname>      program to start (default <executable>)\n\
    -t|--test                    test mode, don't do anything\n\
    -o|--oknodo                  exit status 0 (not 1) if nothing done\n\
    -q|--quiet  |  -v, --verbose\n\
\n\
Exit status:  0 = done  1 = nothing done (=> 0 if --oknodo)  2 = trouble\n");
}


static void
badusage(const char *msg)
{
	if (msg && *msg)
		fprintf(stderr, "%s: %s\n", progname, msg);
	fprintf(stderr, "Try `%s --help' for more information.\n", progname);
	exit(2);
}


static void
parse_options(int argc, char * const *argv)
{
	static struct option longopts[] = {
		{ "help",	0, NULL, 'H'},
		{ "stop",	0, NULL, 'K'},
		{ "start",	0, NULL, 'S'},
		{ "version",	0, NULL, 'V'},
		{ "startas",	1, NULL, 'a'},
		{ "name",	1, NULL, 'n'},
		{ "oknodo",	0, NULL, 'o'},
		{ "pidfile",	1, NULL, 'p'},
		{ "quiet",	0, NULL, 'q'},
		{ "signal",	1, NULL, 's'},
		{ "test",	0, NULL, 't'},
		{ "user",	1, NULL, 'u'},
		{ "verbose",	0, NULL, 'v'},
		{ "exec",	1, NULL, 'x'},
		{ NULL,		0, NULL, 0}
	};
	int c;

	for (;;) {
		c = getopt_long(argc, argv, "HKSVa:n:op:qs:tu:vx:",
				longopts, (int *) 0);
		if (c == -1)
			break;
		switch (c) {
		case 'H':  /* --help */
			do_help();
			exit(0);
		case 'K':  /* --stop */
			stop = 1;
			break;
		case 'S':  /* --start */
			start = 1;
			break;
		case 'V':  /* --version */
			printf("start-stop-daemon " VERSION "\n");
			exit(0);
		case 'a':  /* --startas <pathname> */
			startas = optarg;
			break;
		case 'n':  /* --name <process-name> */
			cmdname = optarg;
			break;
		case 'o':  /* --oknodo */
			exitnodo = 0;
			break;
		case 'p':  /* --pidfile <pid-file> */
			pidfile = optarg;
			break;
		case 'q':  /* --quiet */
			quietmode = 1;
			break;
		case 's':  /* --signal <signal> */
			if (sscanf(optarg, "%d", &signal_nr) != 1)
				badusage("--signal takes a numeric argument");
			break;
		case 't':  /* --test */
			testmode = 1;
			break;
		case 'u':  /* --user <username>|<uid> */
			userspec = optarg;
			break;
		case 'v':  /* --verbose */
			quietmode = -1;
			break;
		case 'x':  /* --exec <executable> */
			execname = optarg;
			break;
		default:
			badusage("");  /* message printed by getopt */
		}
	}

	if (start == stop)
		badusage("need one of --start or --stop");

	if (!execname && !pidfile && !userspec)
		badusage("need at least one of --exec, --pidfile or --user");

	if (!startas)
		startas = execname;

	if (start && !startas)
		badusage("--start needs --exec or --startas");
}


static int
pid_is_exec(int pid, const struct stat *esb)
{
	struct stat sb;
	char buf[32];

	sprintf(buf, "/proc/%d/exe", pid);
	if (stat(buf, &sb) != 0)
		return 0;
	return (sb.st_dev == esb->st_dev && sb.st_ino == esb->st_ino);
}


static int
pid_is_user(int pid, int uid)
{
	struct stat sb;
	char buf[32];

	sprintf(buf, "/proc/%d", pid);
	if (stat(buf, &sb) != 0)
		return 0;
	return (sb.st_uid == uid);
}


static int
pid_is_cmd(int pid, const char *name)
{
	char buf[32];
	FILE *f;
	int c;

	sprintf(buf, "/proc/%d/stat", pid);
	f = fopen(buf, "r");
	if (!f)
		return 0;
	while ((c = getc(f)) != EOF && c != '(')
		;
	if (c != '(') {
		fclose(f);
		return 0;
	}
	/* this hopefully handles command names containing ')' */
	while ((c = getc(f)) != EOF && c == *name)
		name++;
	fclose(f);
	return (c == ')' && *name == '\0');
}


static void
check(int pid)
{
	if (execname && !pid_is_exec(pid, &exec_stat))
		return;
	if (userspec && !pid_is_user(pid, user_id))
		return;
	if (cmdname && !pid_is_cmd(pid, cmdname))
		return;
	push(&found, pid);
}


static void
do_pidfile(const char *name)
{
	FILE *f;
	int pid;

	f = fopen(name, "r");
	if (f) {
		if (fscanf(f, "%d", &pid) == 1)
			check(pid);
		fclose(f);
	}
}


static void
do_procfs(void)
{
	DIR *procdir;
	struct dirent *entry;
	int foundany, pid;

	procdir = opendir("/proc");
	if (!procdir)
		fatal("opendir /proc: %s", strerror(errno));

	foundany = 0;
	while ((entry = readdir(procdir)) != NULL) {
		if (sscanf(entry->d_name, "%d", &pid) != 1)
			continue;
		foundany++;
		check(pid);
	}
	closedir(procdir);
	if (!foundany)
		fatal("nothing in /proc - not mounted?");
}


static void
do_stop(void)
{
	char what[1024];
	struct pid_list *p;

	if (cmdname)
		strcpy(what, cmdname);
	else if (execname)
		strcpy(what, execname);
	else if (pidfile)
		sprintf(what, "process in pidfile `%s'", pidfile);
	else if (userspec)
		sprintf(what, "process(es) owned by `%s'", userspec);
	else
		fatal("internal error, please report");

	if (!found) {
		if (quietmode <= 0)
			printf("no %s found; none killed.\n", what);
		exit(exitnodo);
	}
	for (p = found; p; p = p->next) {
		if (testmode)
			printf("would send signal %d to %d.\n",
			       signal_nr, p->pid);
		else if (kill(p->pid, signal_nr) == 0)
			push(&killed, p->pid);
		else
			printf("%s: warning: failed to kill %d: %s\n",
			       progname, p->pid, strerror(errno));
	}
	if (quietmode < 0 && killed) {
		printf("stopped %s (pid", what);
		for (p = killed; p; p = p->next)
			printf(" %d", p->pid);
		printf(").\n");
	}
}


int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
	progname = argv[0];

	parse_options(argc, argv);
	argc -= optind;
	argv += optind;

	if (execname && stat(execname, &exec_stat))
		fatal("stat %s: %s", execname, strerror(errno));

	if (userspec && sscanf(userspec, "%d", &user_id) != 1) {
		struct passwd *pw;

		pw = getpwnam(userspec);
		if (!pw)
			fatal("user `%s' not found\n", userspec);

		user_id = pw->pw_uid;
	}

	if (pidfile)
		do_pidfile(pidfile);
	else
		do_procfs();

	if (stop) {
		do_stop();
		exit(0);
	}

	if (found) {
		if (quietmode <= 0)
			printf("%s already running.\n", execname);
		exit(exitnodo);
	}
	if (testmode) {
		printf("would start %s ", startas);
		while (argc-- > 0)
			printf("%s ", *argv++);
		printf(".\n");
		exit(0);
	}
	if (quietmode < 0)
		printf("starting %s ...\n", startas);
	*--argv = startas;
	execv(startas, argv);
	fatal("unable to start %s: %s", startas, strerror(errno));
}

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In article <199606041705.NAA21836@neutron.mane.Virginia.EDU> you wrote:
: Can anyone argue for placing rmt in /sbin?

I believe strongly that rmt belongs in /usr/sbin, with the symlink
/etc/rmt -> /usr/sbin/rmt.

I don't care which package it's in.  I'm going to close bug 3100 indicating
that rmt is not/will not be provided as part of tar, but will be provided as
part of the cpio package.

Bdale

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> Being stubborn, I tried again. And succeeded with a login.  Is this really
> the intended behaviour?
I don't think so, but it sounds familiar. other users can use the tty but
root can't. Has this something to do with that sys(k)logd thing?

Erick Branderhorst

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> Erick Branderhorst writes ("textutils 1.17 and weblint 1.016"):
> > I updated the textutils package and the weblint package (I'm not the
> > maintainer of these packages) and put these on 
> > ftp: //iaehv.nl/pub/users/branderh/
> > As soon as dchanges comes out (and the original maintainers don't object)
> > I will upload these package to master / chiark.
> 
> Why did you release them, if we may ask ?
You may off course, but I wanted to explain it when the upload to master
will happen.

> I'm sure you have a good reason, but it'd be nice to know.
Here we go:

Keeping up with mainstream, textutils has NLS, weblint has been updated to
support more recent html. The release is being made in a few days and it
should be as up to date as possible IMO. The debian maintainer of weblint
has been mailed about this (I didn't got any response), the debian
maintainer of textutils can't be reached.

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Michael Meskes, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Darren, please upload a new version, the -9 ones have owner/group set to
>your own userid. Installing it leaves me with an awful lot of file in
>/usr/bin owned by me instead of root.

That's very strange.  I checked the debian.rules file and I didn't set
the permissions for most of the files; installperl always got it right
before.  Well, that is fixed in debian.rules and won't happen again.

I'm currently in the midst of uploading -10 to master.  As always it's
also available at ftp://ftp.daft.com/pub/debian/perl*

Darren
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Date: 06 Jun 96 08:28 UT
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Source: perl
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        * The permissions of many of the files were set right.  Fix in
          debian.rules so this can't happen again.
        * Changed recommends of perl from source | includes to libc5-dev
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        * Added the following Priority fields: Perl - Important (from
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You (Ian Jackson) wrote:
> Michael Alan Dorman writes ("sysvinit vs. new powerd..."):
> ...
> >  2) remove powerd from sysvinit entirely, and make the new powerd
> > conflict with older versions.  Easy.
> ...
> >  3) make powerd replace sysvinit powerd.  Also not unreasonable, but
> > upgrading sysvinit could do unexpected things.
> ...
> >  4) use update-alternatives to allow selecting one.  I don't know
> > exactly what this entails.
> 
> I have no knowledge about powerd as a specific application, but when
> you've decided what the final arrangement of packages should be
> *please* come and ask me *before* releasing any new packages with
> funky things in the control files.
> 
> If you tell me what the state of the packages is now and what you want
> it to be I'll tell you what to put in the control files.
> 
> If you don't ask me you'll probably tie yourself in knots.

I was thinking about releasing a sysvinit without the powerd included
(nobody I know uses the vanilla version anyway). This would be
sysvinit-2.63-1. Nothing would change in the sysvinit control file.
I do not plan to put a Recommends: powerd in the sysvinit control file.

The powerd control file would then have something like:

Package: foo-powerd
Provides: powerd
Depends: sysvinit (>= 2.63-1)

This would work since sysvinit is an essential package and already installed
anyway. The only thing that would happen if a seperate powerd package is
installed that dpkg forces one to upgrade sysvinit as well, which is
exactly what we want. Right?

Mike.
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Subject: Re: Fast start-stop-daemon in C
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You (Marek Michalkiewicz) wrote:
> Some time ago I wrote a faster C replacement for the start-stop-daemon
> perl script.  I use it for some time now (the most recent changes were
> just a nicer help screen; the code is quite stable).

I still had it somewhere, I've saved the new version, thanks. I think
we're going to move start-stop-daemon to sysvinit, after 1.1.

Mike.
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Subject: Bug#3230: why the hell does perl depend on tcsh???
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Package: perl
Version: 5.002-10

Version -7 didn't depend on tcsh. Why does this version depend? It
shouldn't, anyway.

Carlos

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Bdale Garbee:
> I believe strongly that rmt belongs in /usr/sbin, with the symlink
> /etc/rmt -> /usr/sbin/rmt.

Do we really need to the symlink?


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  Carlos>  Package: perl
  Carlos>  Version: 5.002-10
  Carlos>
  Carlos> Version -7 didn't depend on tcsh. Why does this version depend? It
  Carlos> shouldn't, anyway.

Perl needs tcsh for globbing. There were a couple of bug reports to that
extend.

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Subject: Re: Overrides confusions
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Ian Jackson:
> yesterday) when nomis (the NFS server) is back.  Is vlock still
> current ?

There is a new upstream version, vlock-0.9, which contains patches
I sent to the author.  It has some bug fixes, actually works (wow!)
and supports shadow passwords better (just compile with -DSHADOW_PWD
and install it setuid root - and it should work with both shadow and
non-shadow passwords; it drops root privileges as soon as possible).

I think we should upgrade vlock to the current upstream version.
If no one else does it, I might do it myself, it's a small package.

Marek

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Package: base
Version: 

I've just upgraded to debian 1.1 from 0.93R6. When I've just tried
updating things using dselect, I get the following warning:

  Setting up zlib1 ...
  ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib (No such file or
  directory), skipping.

I guess that this directory should have been set up when I upgraded (with
dselect 1.2.3).

Chris

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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
> So debian-bugs@pixar.com sends to everybody on debian-devel, and that's all?
> And if you want debian-bugs mail, you have to be a developer? 

No, you just have to subsribe to debian-devel. If you're a beta tester you
better subscribe there, too.

> So Carlos, there you go: have a look at Sven's "Work Needed" list, for
> example from
>     <some_mirror_host>/debian/doc/package-developer/prospective-packages.txt
> and pick a package, write to Bruce to become member of the exclusive
> debian-devel club, and you are all set!

While I like to have Carlos taking over a package he doesn't have to.
Subscribing to debian-devel is the same task as subscribing to debian-user.

The developers only list is debian-private.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Michael

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Ian Jackson writes:
> I think weblint ought to be in net, not text.  I'll move it.

Shouldn't this be in devel?

Michael

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In article <m0uRchw-000HbWC@liw.clinet.fi> you wrote:
: Bdale Garbee:
: > I believe strongly that rmt belongs in /usr/sbin, with the symlink
: > /etc/rmt -> /usr/sbin/rmt.
: 
: Do we really need to the symlink?

Yes.  Let me explain this, again.

The planet is full of non-Debian, non-Linux machines with rmt in /etc/rmt
since that's where BSD put it long ago.

As a result, applications that want to use rmt have traditionally been 
compiled to know that they should look for rmt on the remote system in 
/etc/rmt, and use rsh as the transport to get there.  In most cases, the 
clients don't allow you to change any of this without recompiling.  
Therefore, if you want to ship clients for things like dump, tar, cpio 
that can use tape drives on existing machines, they need to look for rmt 
in /etc/rmt.  

The bottom line is that if you want to be interoperable with the rest of 
the world, you need to support the existence of rmt in /etc/rmt.  However, 
the FSSTND frowns on this, so having the binary actually be installed in 
/usr/sbin/rmt with the link for compatibility seems like the best option...
leaving users to figure this out on their own is a very bad idea.

This is a case where there is a defacto standard that is "broader" than what
is controlled by the Linux community through mechanisms like the FSSTND.  We
could choose to deviate, but I believe it would just make this ugly situation
even worse...

Bdale

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In message <m0uR35m-000BluC@elo.ods.com>, David Engel writes:
>I prefer the following approaches:

Do you have any objections to Mike's decision to remove powerd from
sysvinit entirely?

Mike.
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  Michael>  While I like to have Carlos taking over a package he doesn't have
  Michael> to.  Subscribing to debian-devel is the same task as subscribing
  Michael> to debian-user.
  Michael> 
  Michael> The developers only list is debian-private.
  Michael> 
  Michael> Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, you asked for it :-) 

Here's an extract from mirror/debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt:


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Dear all,

The local computer science department here has been donated an Alpha by
Digital, which is run by Stephen Tweedie.  He has made the very kind
offer to the Debian developers of accounts on this machine for porting
packages.

There are a couple conditions which need to be overcome before accounts
can be issued, though (aren't there always?)... 

 o The University here needs a signed piece of paper stating that you've
   read and understood the University Computing Regulations
   (http://www.ed.ac.uk/edinfo/MAIN/REGS/COMPUTING.html).  I understand
   a FAX to this effect is sufficient.

 o A brief statement of intended use, presumably to help keep track on
   what the machine is being used for.  Helps justify its continued
   support, I imagine.

The machine is essentially a Red Hat 2.1 Alpha (upgraded in situ) box,
so we won't be able to test the whole distribution or boot scripts and
the like.  But at least we can compile and build packages and get things
rolling on the Alpha distribution. 

Of course, this shouldn't distract from the forthcoming 1.1 i386
release, but it may be just what some people are looking for once things
calm down afterwards!

If anyone wants such an account, please drop me or Stephen a line. 

Keep up the great work!

Kenny.

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Michael Alan Dorman writes:
> In message <m0uR35m-000BluC@elo.ods.com>, David Engel writes:
> >I prefer the following approaches:
> 
> Do you have any objections to Mike's decision to remove powerd from
> sysvinit entirely?

Nope.

David
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>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Wirzenius <liw@iki.fi> writes:

    Lars> Bdale Garbee:
    Bdale> I believe strongly that rmt belongs in /usr/sbin, with the
    Bdale> symlink /etc/rmt -> /usr/sbin/rmt.

    Lars> Do we really need to the symlink?

The symlink in necessary because tar, cpio, mt, and some other programs
traditionally expect rmt to be located in the /etc directory on the
remote machine.  If we want Debian Linux to be compatible with other
Unix-like systems, these systems should be able to find it there.
Thus, FSSTND and compatibility requirements dictate that rmt should be
placed in /usr/sbin with a symlink into /etc.

--
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Guy Maor writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
...
> getty (really agetty) is required/base.  The other is admin.

Right.  mingetty is extra/admin now.

...
> In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
> policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.

I've done this, except where the foo package is in base.

...
> /home/Debian/ftp/private/project/obsolete.

`open' is here now.

Ian.

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Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Status of cpio and mt"):
> On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Brian Mays wrote, in private email:
> >I'm uploading a new version of the cpio package.  It now includes GNU
> >mt.  I've eliminated the cpio-mt package and set cpio to conflict with
> >and replace both cpio-mt and mt-st.
> 
> Would the distribution maintainers please retire the mt-st package?
> Thanks.

I'm not the distribution maintainer, but I've done this.  I've put it
in private/project/obsolete.

Ian.

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Peter Tobias writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > There are many packages in misc which IMO shouldn't be there.  lsof,
> > vlock and news should be in admin.  cdwrite should be in devel.  I'll
> > move these if noone objects.
> 
> Why should cdwrite be in devel? It has nothing to do with "development".
> I prefer misc or admin.

cdwrite is for development of cd's, isn't it ?

I don't see how it fits into admin, so if it's not devel I suppose
misc will have to do.

Stephen Early writes ("Location of cdwrite package"):
> cdwrite ought to be in the same section as mkisofs.

Indeed.

So, should I put them both in misc then, or is devel appropriate ?

Ian.

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Michael Meskes writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
> Ian Jackson writes:
> > I think weblint ought to be in net, not text.  I'll move it.
> 
> Shouldn't this be in devel?

devel ?  Umm.

In general the policy I've been following is that (since devel tends
to be something of a catch-all) things should go somewhere other than
devel if they belong there.  Otherwise many things from x11, text,
graphics, &c ought to go in devel ...

branderh@debian.iaehv.nl writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
> > I think weblint ought to be in net, not text.  I'll move it.
>
> weblint is a html checker and html is a hypertext markup language,
> it is used on the net a lot of course but I would say that it should
> stay in text.

Well, in net we already have mime-support, w3-el, netscape and lynx.
It seems to me that having an HTML checker outside the net category
will just confuse things - surely it ought to be in the same section ?

Incidentally, I've just noticed lpr in the net section.  Shouldn't
this be in admin or perhaps misc ?

Ian.

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Package: ytalk
Version: 3.0.2-1

chiark:~> TERM=spong ytalk kat
Segmentation fault
chiark:~>

The problem is quite repeatable; I can supply a coredump if this is
helpful.

Ian.

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The latest ncurses snapshot broke the manpage renaming while trying to
automate the decision of whether renaming needs to take place.  So I
complained.

Now I find myself in the silly position of having requested that
people fix a feature that, upon reflection, I cannot make any argument
for because I don't know exactly why it's being done myself.

So, could someone explain why it is necessary for us to rename all the
ncurses manual pages?  Is it simply an aesthetic thing, or is it a
technical issue relating to our choice of man program?

Cheers,

Mike.
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Hi,

Package:  debian-1.1 / dselect as found on the boot/root/base floppies
          from June 2nd


A short description of the bugs I encountered:
----------
        o the first try to (setup modules or configure the kernel?)
          returned:  /target/lib/modules: no such file or directory

        o repeating the action succeeded (i escaped to shell after
          the first failure and saw, there IS a /target/lib/modules file
          or directory ...


----------
        o After selecting the access method (CDROM) and selecting
          packages to be installed dselect displayed:

          can't install from /stable/binary (or something similar)
          since dpkg -iGROEB /stable/binary returned an error
                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          If I mount the CD manually and then manually do
          dpgk -iGROEB /where/the/cd/is/mounted
          all is ok.  (or if I select `already mounted filesystem' as
          the access method)

Heiko
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Michael Meskes, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Ian Jackson writes:
>> I think weblint ought to be in net, not text.  I'll move it.
>
>Shouldn't this be in devel?

No.  Weblint is for linting HTML.  I can see a case for either net or
text with a small preference for net.  It's not really a development
tool anymore than say an editor is.

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Ian Jackson, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Peter Tobias writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
>> Why should cdwrite be in devel? It has nothing to do with "development".
>> I prefer misc or admin.
>
>cdwrite is for development of cd's, isn't it ?
>
>I don't see how it fits into admin, so if it's not devel I suppose
>misc will have to do.

I thought devel was for programming tools not for I'm using it to
develop Y.  (Normally, I use X as my variable, but that would be rather
confusing in this context.)

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Ian Jackson, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Status of cpio and mt"):
>> On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Brian Mays wrote, in private email:
>> >I'm uploading a new version of the cpio package.  It now includes GNU
>> >mt.  I've eliminated the cpio-mt package and set cpio to conflict with
>> >and replace both cpio-mt and mt-st.

BTW, I do have a SCSI DAT tape drive with hardware compression and while
I didn't use a regression suite, I put the latest mt from cpio through
its paces and had no problems.

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From: Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>

> There have been a number of requests for upgrade notes. I have been
> pointing these people to my machine for my notes and upgrade script. 
> Is there any reason that I should not put these files into debian/upgrade?
> I have uploaded them to my home directory on master, so if you give the go
> ahead, I can move them into debian/upgrade from there. I suspect a posting
> to debian-announce would then be in order, as well as some kind of regular
> posting to debian-user in response to those users who still ask.
> Does this sound ok to you?

I think it would be fine to move them into unstable/upgrade-i386 .

Please have Ray set up the appropriate web page links. Note that I've
tried to make the disks-i386/current directory as web-browser-friendly
as possible (look at the README, and the file suffixes). That might be
worth emulating.

[ATTENTION IAN JACKSON] I also think the a.out version of dpkg belongs
in the upgrade directory, rather than in the unstable/binary-i386/base
directory, because I don't want people to upgrade an ELF dpkg to a.out .
Let's wait to get Ian's call on that.

	Thanks

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Michael Alan Dorman writes:
> So, could someone explain why it is necessary for us to rename all the
> ncurses manual pages?  Is it simply an aesthetic thing, or is it a
> technical issue relating to our choice of man program?

Which renaming?  If you mean adding 'ncurses' to the end of every
filename, as in clear.3ncurses, I'll take a stab at it.

One reason is to not conflict with other man pages which may have the
same basename.  For example, in my /usr/man/man3 directory, I have an
exit.3 from libc and an exit.3tcl from Tcl.

A second reason is so you can easily identify all of the man pages
that come from a particular package.  Using Tcl for example again, I
can do an ls *.3tcl in /usr/man/man3 and see all of the Tcl man pages.

David
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When I installed the new 1.3-6 syslogd I got the following during
installation:

starting /sbin/syslogd ...
  syslogd: network logging disabled (syslog/udp service unknown).
  syslogd: see syslog(8) for details of whether and how to enable it.:
Operation not permitted
starting /sbin/klogd ...
klogd: already running.

It's not clear what Operation is not permitted, but something in the
post-inst script probably failed.

I also noticed that this package provides, replaces, and conflicts with
syslogd. Is this right? I suspect that the conflicts may be what is
causing the recent user posting about dselect being unwilling to remove
the old package?

In any case it doesn't seem to be a robust installation yet.

Later,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

>[...]
> Automatic updates of /etc/alternatives/vi are disabled, leaving it alone.
> To return to automatic updates use `update-alternatives --auto vi'.
>[...]
>Please ask your co-worker to open their eyes next time.

I've tried this, and I think there's still a problem.
Here's a partial log with embedded comments.

# ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           17 Jun  6 10:44 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/elvisx11
# dpkg --install elvisx11.deb
(Reading database ... 9922 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace elvisx11 (using elvisx11.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement elvisx11 ...
Setting up elvisx11 ...
/etc/alternatives/vi has been changed (manually or by a script).
Switching to manual updates only.
Checking available versions of vi, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
(You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
Automatic updates of /etc/alternatives/vi are disabled, leaving it alone.
To return to automatic updates use `update-alternatives --auto vi'.
Checking available versions of ex, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
(You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
Leaving ex (/usr/bin/ex) pointing to /usr/bin/elvisx11.
Leaving ex.1 (/usr/man/man1/ex.1) pointing to /usr/man/man1/elvis.1.
Checking available versions of view, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
(You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
Leaving view (/usr/bin/view) pointing to /usr/bin/elvisx11.
Leaving view.1 (/usr/man/man1/view.1) pointing to /usr/man/man1/elvis.1.
Checking available versions of input, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
(You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
Leaving input (/usr/bin/input) pointing to /usr/bin/elvisx11.
Leaving input.1 (/usr/man/man1/input.1) pointing to /usr/man/man1/elvis.1.

*** OK -- I see the "To return to automatic updates ..." message.  It had
*** previusly gotten lost in the forest.

# update-alternatives --auto vi
Setting up automatic selection of vi.
Checking available versions of vi, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
(You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
Updating vi (/usr/bin/vi) to point to /usr/bin/vim.
Leaving vi.1 (/usr/man/man1/vi.1) pointing to /usr/man/man1/vim.1.

*** Hmmmm... I didn't want it set to vim, I just wanted it set back to
*** auto and left pointing wherever it was pointing, so that subsequent
*** installs and removes would update the /etc/alternatives links.

# dpkg --status vim
Package: vim
Status: unknown ok not-installed
Priority: optional
Section: editors

*** vim's not even installed.  I've now broken /usr/bin/vi.

# dpkg --version
Debian Linux `dpkg' package management program version 1.2.0 (i386 elf).
Copyright 1994-1996 Ian Jackson, Bruce Perens.  This is free software;
see the GNU General Public Licence version 2 or later for copying
conditions.  There is NO warranty.  See dpkg --licence for details.
# exit

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>
> package: screen
> version: 3.7.1-3
>
> Demonstration: Fire up screen. Hit "^a:exec !cat -v". Run some
> commands. Note that you get leading ^@ mixed in. (If you're running
> tcsh, bash, or some other interactive program, you'll get ^@ before
> the echo of every keystroke, which makes it *really* clear.)
>
> Analysis: screen creates all pty's in packet mode (ioctl(fd,TIOCPKT,&on))
> [...]
> [and later a patch].

Gosh! You're the kind of person I think I should be very polite to
(might come in handy, some time).

Sorry for the delay in responding (3 days), but I was too busy to
read debian-devel for that time, and for some reason the
bug-tracking system stopped forwarding the bugs to me.

I did, however, within 15 min of reading your patch, apply it
and recompile. I have one question however:

You speak of ^@ that fill the screen (yes, I'm using bash).
when trying to reproduce the bug, I get the ^@, but also:
  ^M    at the end of every line of output
  ^H ^H each time I hit backspace
  (and maybe more)
Your patch indeed corrects the ^@'s, but the ^M, and ^H ^H remain
(though they may be less bad). (also the cursor keys don't work, ...)

I still like your patch though. I just would like your opinion
on whether you know something around the other oddities too.

Anyway, as the 1.1 release is now "imminent", I'll upload this
3.7.1-4 with your patch in about 3 hours from now, unless you
reply before that. (I can always upload 3.7.1-5, if you know how
to correct the other oddities).


One administrative note: I have to admit that I don't know
too much about sockets and all that (I only know the basics).
This makes me not the ideal screen maintainer (I started
maintaining it because it was orphaned before). If you would
like to take screen over from me, please tell me.


Thanks,

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In message <m0uRkGa-000BjmC@elo.ods.com>, David Engel writes:
>Which renaming?  If you mean adding 'ncurses' to the end of every
>filename, as in clear.3ncurses, I'll take a stab at it.

Well, you see, we're doing more than that.  We're going from
curs_clear.3x, which should already be pretty unique, to
clear.3ncurses.

This has the added disadvantage that in addition to renaming files,
one now has to hack the innards of the files to make the
cross-references work.

Mike.
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branderh@debian.IAEhv.nl, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Keeping up with mainstream, textutils has NLS, weblint has been updated to
>support more recent html. The release is being made in a few days and it
>should be as up to date as possible IMO. The debian maintainer of weblint
>has been mailed about this (I didn't got any response), the debian
>maintainer of textutils can't be reached.

I had decided that getting perl updated was more important and
concentrated on that first.  I sent you mail thanking you for the work
on weblint at 05 Jun 1996 01:49:28 -0700 in message
<87wx1md49z.fsf@perv.daft.com>.  Weblint 1.016-1 will be uploaded
to master tonight, signed with my key.

Darren
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Since some sensible alternatives to gawk are allowed, why is it marked as
essential? If I want to install mawk or another nawk, I ought to be able
to remove gawk since I don't really want to have both installed.

I think it would be nice to have gawk and mawk (and any other nawk) providing
a virtual package nawk (if this is not already done, but it's not the case
on my system with gawk_3.0.0-2 and mawk_1.2.2-1, nor does my (maybe outdated)
virtual packages list mention an nawk package), and other packages would
depend on nawk when needed (or on a really specific gawk/mawk if they do
have special features needed).

Is gawk really essential, or can it be replaced by mawk for all its
actual uses?

Yves.

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> Gosh! You're the kind of person I think I should be very polite to
> (might come in handy, some time).

:-) flattery will get you everywhere, or something like that...

> when trying to reproduce the bug, I get the ^@, but also:
>   ^M    at the end of every line of output
>   ^H ^H each time I hit backspace

The ^m and ^h (and other sequences) are correct -- in fact, the whole
reason to filter with "cat -v" is to get things like that to show
up. (In the backspace example, typically ^h only moves the cursor, it
doesn't erase -- so you need to ^H then space over the character, then
^h again... for more details, look at the termcap or terminfo pages.)
It's just the ^@ that was wrong... and I only noticed it in screen
because I was trying to duplicate an emacs bug -- they both use
pseudo-tty's, and it *looked* like the same problem, but turned out to
be totally coincidental. (It turns out that this use of screen could
be very useful in debugging ncurses problems, though running the
programs under emacs would probably be better...)

> maintaining it because it was orphaned before). If you would
> like to take screen over from me, please tell me.

Not particularly :-) Most of the packages I maintain are either things
that I use personally and weren't packaged already, or things that
were orphaned and I wanted to see newer versions of (like emacs.) If
you ever find that you don't have time to upgrade screen, let me know,
but otherwise you're doing fine. (Don't forget to forward the patch
"upstream", though :-)
			_Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
			The Herd of Kittens

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Package: nvi
Version: 1.34-12

-chiark:~> echo $TERM
xterm
-chiark:~> vi
-chiark:~> TERM=spong vi
Error: newterm failed: No such file or directory.
-chiark:~>

Ian.

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> This seems as if this would likely either the result of a bug in the
> ispell or in update-alternatives.  I'm a bit confused about this, since
> "grep alternatives /var/lib/dpkg/info/ispell*" didn't find any hits.

There's a script called /usr/sbin/update-ispell-dictionaries in the
ispell package, which is called by the dictionary postinst scripts.
This in turn calls update-alternatives.

> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           29 May 18 19:47 /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash -> /usr/lib/ispell/american.hash
> bash# ls -l /usr/lib/ispell/american.hash
> ls: /usr/lib/ispell/american.hash: No such file or directory
> bash# ls -F /usr/lib/ispell
> american.aff	   british.aff	      britishmed+.hash	 default.hash@
> americanmed+.hash  british.hash@      default.aff@
> bash#

There is a symlink american.hash -> americanmed+.hash in the
iamerican-3.1.18-3.deb file, so it's been lost somehere along the line
(assuming that's the version of the dictionary you're using?).

I've tried recreating this situation by installing/removing the british
and american dictionaries in all the combinations/orders I can think of,
and always found these sym links preserved.  Does siimply uninstalling
and reinstalling iamerican fix the problem?

Kenny.

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| Portuguese/English/French Translations/Teaching by Native Portuguese |
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Package: nvi
Version: 1.34-12

-chiark:~> stty rows 38 columns 80
-chiark:~> vi
-chiark:~> stty rows 0 columns 0
-chiark:~> vi
Segmentation fault
-chiark:~> ll /etc/alternatives/vi
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           12 Jun  6 02:36 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/nvi*
-chiark:~> dpkg -l nvi
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
ii  nvi             1.34-12        4.4BSD re-implementation of vi.
-chiark:~>

I can reproduce this at will; let me know if you need the coredump.

Ian.

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> [ATTENTION IAN JACKSON] I also think the a.out version of dpkg belongs
> in the upgrade directory, rather than in the unstable/binary-i386/base
> directory, because I don't want people to upgrade an ELF dpkg to a.out .
> Let's wait to get Ian's call on that.

Huh?  that's how it is right now.


Guy

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Package: (ftp.debian.org)

I am a little nitpicky here, but it is not too consistent that auto-pgp sits
in non-free, and mailcrypt sits in binary-{i386,all}/misc. Both are GPLed and
I recall that Ian J. wanted to have auto-pgp in non-free as pgp has to live
there.

Now, aren't we all in favour of pgp? Shouldn't we foster it's use? Shouldn't
auto-pgp be moved out of the closet and into the limelight, next to mailcrypt?

Comments? Ian?

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Sven Rudolph writes:
 > I assume this interpretation too. When a configuration file changes
 > the program should use this changed information as soon as possible.
 > 
 > On the other hand this implies some work. This work were even more
 > useful if this were a standard on other systems too.
 > 
 > Your libpaper seems to be a useful tool, however a whole library for
 > such a tiny problem might be overkill. (Having files in a standardized
 > format in /etc/defaults (or so, I didn't read the whole discussion
 > around this) and writing a library for accessing these were a more
 > general solution.)

The purpose of the library is not really to save code (it is really
tiny---7028 bytes at the moment) but rather to be sure that all programs
that use this code to manage a paper size will get the same definitions
for a given paper.

As for the /etc/defaults dir, if I understood well, it will contain many
files, one of them naming the preferred paper. But there may still be
some need for ensuring that all programs given an exotic paper size
will get its dimensions right.

Yves.

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Bruce:
> [ATTENTION IAN JACKSON] I also think the a.out version of dpkg belongs
> in the upgrade directory, rather than in the unstable/binary-i386/base
> directory, because I don't want people to upgrade an ELF dpkg to a.out .
> Let's wait to get Ian's call on that.

From: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
> Huh?  that's how it is right now.

Oh, sorry, I didn't know we'd already addressed that little detail.
I have too many threads going through my little brain at one time.

	Bruce
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> Package: (ftp.debian.org)
>
> I am a little nitpicky here, but it is not too consistent that auto-pgp sits
> in non-free, and mailcrypt sits in binary-{i386,all}/misc. Both are GPLed and
> I recall that Ian J. wanted to have auto-pgp in non-free as pgp has to live
> there.
>
> Now, aren't we all in favour of pgp? Shouldn't we foster it's use? Shouldn't
> auto-pgp be moved out of the closet and into the limelight, next to mailcrypt?

>From bug 1672:

>>>>>
The dpkg maintainer asked for it to be placed in non-free.  As it
happens the dpkg maintainer and the author of auto-pgp are the same
person, me :-), but the reason I asked for it to be moved is not
because I don't want it in Debian (I do), but because it depends on
PGP, which has to go in non-free.

In general, putting X in a higher priority level than Y when X depends
on Y is a bad thing from the point of view of dselect's dependency
management.

It can go back into the main distribution when I get around to
producing a Debian version of PGP 2.3a which has enough of the bugs
fixed to be suitable for use.

Ian.
<<<<<<


Guy

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  Michael>  While I like to have Carlos taking over a package he doesn't have
  Michael> to.  Subscribing to debian-devel is the same task as subscribing
  Michael> to debian-user.
  Michael> 
  Michael> The developers only list is debian-private.
  Michael> 
  Michael> Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, you asked for it :-) 

Here's an extract from mirror/debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt:


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I usually compile my kernel myself but a friend just told me that NFS is not
built into our kernels. Is that correct? If so how shall a new installer use
NFS for installing his system? 

Michael
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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
> Well, you asked for it :-) 

Yes, thanks you answered.

> Here's an extract from mirror/debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
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>                                       Restricted membership.
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> TO SUBSCRIBE by E-MAIL:
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>     debian-devel       Send mail to Bruce@Pixar.com with a one-line
>                        explanation of what you want to develop or test.

At least you don't have to be a developer. Testing suffices. :-)

I'm pretty sure I resubscribed to debian-devel by sending a subscribe mail.
But then I've been wrong before.

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You write:

}When I installed the new 1.3-6 syslogd I got the following during
                                   ^
				   k
}installation:

}starting /sbin/syslogd ...
}  syslogd: network logging disabled (syslog/udp service unknown).
}  syslogd: see syslog(8) for details of whether and how to enable it.:
}Operation not permitted

This should not happen.

}starting /sbin/klogd ...
}klogd: already running.

}It's not clear what Operation is not permitted, but something in the
}post-inst script probably failed.

I seem to remember that the operation that isn't permitted is binding
a port or similar, I'm not sure at the moment.

Dwarf, just enable the entry syslog/udp in the /etc/services file and
the message vanishes.  According to the documentation which represents
the code, this is not a risk as you still have control over receiption
of syslog messages from the I-Net, you have to add `-r' to the
argument list if you want to, otherwise the port isn't opened ofr
reading.

}I also noticed that this package provides, replaces, and conflicts with
}syslogd. Is this right? I suspect that the conflicts may be what is
}causing the recent user posting about dselect being unwilling to remove
}the old package?

According to Ian J. this is correct.

}In any case it doesn't seem to be a robust installation yet.

Thanks.

Joey
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Good day Bruce,

I hope you find you day going well.  I have installed another Debian
machine yesterday and went into several problems, confusing and funny
situations.  I'd like to let you know so that you can fix existing
problems.

I'm not sure which one is a real bug, so I first report them here and
then report some of them as bugs.

a) The section "Select Moduls" _is_ confusing.  If it works than it is
   really confusing otherwise it is boken.

   When I try to activate a module it isn't shown as activated (as it
   is told in the leading text area), there's always a `-' sign
   (saying this module is not activated)

b) After some time I came to the section "Select Keyboard". I have
   installed a non-US keyboard. Funnily the Curser has lost it's color
   and capability to move, I had to type blind, only the result - if
   mistyped - was displayed.  I don't know why this could happen, but
   it should fixed soon.

c) I have enabled two nameserver, they were accepted but not written
   with the correct syntax.  I've gotten:

     nameserver      134.106.121.3 192.106.226.20

   Notice that all is written in one line instead of the max. of three
   lines with nameserver and _one_ ip number.

d) It is difficult to choose which libreadline on should install,
   becaus the package `libreadline2-dev' is too long for dselect and
   will be cut to `libreadline2'

e) The same happenes with dpkg:

   namib!joey:/tmp> dpkg -l |grep libread
   ii  libreadline2    2.0-15         GNU readline and history libraries, runtime
   ii  libreadline2-de 2.0-15         GNU readline and history libraries. Developm

f) The perl (5.002-7) package recommends two packages called source or
   includes which don't exist.  I think they're renamed into
   kernel-source and kernel-header.  I'm not sure, please check this
   against the ftp archive and/or the list of pseudo packages.

g) tin, trn and emacs should provide the pseudo package `news-reader'
   I think this should be filed as a single bugreport to every of
   these packages, right?

h) I had problems with the installation via NFS because the scripts
   forgot to put the $mountpoint in front of the relative path to
   access the binary directories.

i) minicom needs perl as /bin/perl but it is in /usr/bin/perl. :(

Regards,

	Joey

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Good day folks,

}I usually compile my kernel myself but a friend just told me that NFS is not
}built into our kernels. Is that correct? If so how shall a new installer use
}NFS for installing his system? 

He, unfortunately, has to switch to the second console and insmod the
module for the eth-card and then for nfs. :(( But this works....

Regards,

	Joey
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Package: ytalk
> Version: 3.0.2-1
>
> chiark:~> TERM=spong ytalk kat
> Segmentation fault
> chiark:~>
[...]

Please try this with version 3.0.2-2 of ytalk.  It's been compiled with
libncurses, instead of libtermcap, and doesn't appear to have this
problem.

Cheers,

Michael.

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Package: dchanges
Version: 3.3

Here is a fix:

--- dchanges.old        Fri Jun  7 00:22:38 1996
+++ dchanges    Fri Jun  7 00:26:05 1996
@@ -375,21 +375,22 @@
             # check filename matches contents
             FN=`basename "${DEB}"`
-            if [ "$FN" != "${T_BINARY}-${T_VERSION}.${T_ARCH}.deb" ]
+            TY_BINARY=`echo ${T_BINARY} | sed -e 'y/-/_/'`
+            if [ "$FN" != "${TY_BINARY}-${T_VERSION}.${T_ARCH}.deb" ]
             then
               # special case for i386 arch
               if [ "$T_ARCH" = "i386" ]
               then
-                if [ "$FN" != "${T_BINARY}.${T_VERSION}.deb" ]
+                if [ "$FN" != "${TY_BINARY}.${T_VERSION}.deb" ]
                 then
                   stderr "ERROR: Deb filename dosn't match contents: $FN"
-                  error  "       expected ${T_BINARY}-${T_VERSION}.${T_ARCH}.deb"
+                  error  "       expected ${TY_BINARY}-${T_VERSION}.${T_ARCH}.deb"
                 else
                   warning "WARNING: missing ARCHITECTURE component in file name: $FN"
                 fi
               else
                 stderr "ERROR: Deb filename dosn't match contents: $FN"
-                error  "       expected ${T_BINARY}-${T_VERSION}.${T_ARCH}.deb"
+                error  "       expected ${TY_BINARY}-${T_VERSION}.${T_ARCH}.deb"
               fi
             else
               echo "Deb file ok: $FN"

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
>
>   Carlos>  Package: perl
>   Carlos>  Version: 5.002-10
>   Carlos>
>   Carlos> Version -7 didn't depend on tcsh. Why does this version depend? It
>   Carlos> shouldn't, anyway.
>
> Perl needs tcsh for globbing. There were a couple of bug reports to that
> extend.

and someone suggested that we only have to #undef CSH in some file
so that perl does the globbing itself. I consider this as a bug,
too. we should be able to build a base system with a single shell!

jjm

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Package: rpncalc
Version: 1.0-5

this version of rpncalc is uploaded with architecture: all set,
so it is moved to binary-all and symlinked to binary-m68k. but
/usr/bin/rpncalc is a intel ELF binary and cannot be run on any
other architecture as on intels.

please remove the package from binary-all.

thanks
jjm

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Package: (master.debian.org)

The message shown when entering the Incoming dir on master refers to
wrong directory:

/home/Debian/ftp/debian/private/project/Incoming

this should be

/home/Debian/ftp/private/project/Incoming

Erick

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Fixed.

The rpncalc-1.0-6 in binary-i386 has the i386 architecture, so I can
close this.

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> > Being stubborn, I tried again. And succeeded with a login.  Is this really
> > the intended behaviour?
> I don't think so, but it sounds familiar. other users can use the tty but
> root can't. Has this something to do with that sys(k)logd thing?

No.

The error message is "root login not allowed..." etc. ie.  /etc/securetty
problem, but /etc/securetty is correct, and things soon start to work... 
I don't think syslog problems could cause this.

I had this problem too, when I first installed a clean 1.1 installation.
It just went away of it's own accord for me too.  Odd.

Cheers,

Michael.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Michael Nonweiler wrote:

> The error message is "root login not allowed..." etc. ie.  /etc/securetty
> problem, but /etc/securetty is correct, and things soon start to work...
> I don't think syslog problems could cause this.

This line from Dirk's auth.log is illuminating.  Note the last 2
characters:
Jun  5 16:29:20 miles login: LOGIN root REFUSED ON TTY tty??

The ?? means that the call to ttyname(0) returned NULL.  The man page
for ttyname() says it can fail if the fd is not connected to a
terminal.  I'll have to check libc if there are other ways that it
could fail.

Which getty execed this login?  Also give me the initab line for this
tty.


Guy

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Package: libdb
Version: 1.85.2-8

The patch of PORT/linux/OTHER_PATCHES is obsolete;
according to Linus: (Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:54:10 +0300 (EET DST))
---
> >  - mmap() checks sizes.
>
> Since you're looking at mmap again, can you tell me whether the following
> patch for libdb is still appropriate?

Nope, you can remove it. Linux still returns ETXTBSY, but it does it only if
the mapping was really a executable mapping due to execve(), not due to normal
mappings..

                Linus
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  Guy>  This line from Dirk's auth.log is illuminating.  Note the last 2
  Guy> characters: Jun 5 16:29:20 miles login: LOGIN root REFUSED ON TTY
  Guy> tty??
  Guy>
  Guy> The ?? means that the call to ttyname(0) returned NULL.  The man page
  Guy> for ttyname() says it can fail if the fd is not connected to a
  Guy> terminal.  I'll have to check libc if there are other ways that it
  Guy> could fail.
  Guy>
  Guy> Which getty execed this login?  Also give me the initab line for this
  Guy> tty.

Plain standard:

edd@miles:~> dpkg -l getty sysvinit | grep ^ii
ii  getty           1.0-4          agetty, an alternative Linux getty.
ii  sysvinit        2.61-2         System-V like init.

edd@miles:~> grep tty /etc/inittab
# /sbin/getty invocations for the runlevels.
# characters of the device (after "tty").
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 tty1
2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 tty2
# edd 12.09.95 commented out 4 of the 6 getty's
#3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 tty3
#4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 tty4
#5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 tty5
#6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 tty6

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subject says it all

I want to farm off my pcmcia package on someone else.  If
you're interested and think you have time, let me know.

I'll continue maintaining it in the meantime.

-Oly

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> You write:
> 
> }When I installed the new 1.3-6 syslogd I got the following during
>                                    ^
> 				   k

Yeah, this is still very confusing...

After the above installation I did:

dpkg -s syslogd

and got:

Package: syslogd
Essential: yes
Status: install ok config-files
Priority: required
Section: base
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
Version: 1.3-2
Config-Version: 1.3-2
Pre-Depends: libc5 (>=5.2.18-1)
Conffiles:
 /etc/syslog.conf 2d11be2cc2ec4ad74e651a6a946228ea
 /etc/init.d/sysklogd adbb56dff4c7ab89ab959a2677bca78b
Description: Kernel and system logging daemons.
 This package implements two system log daemons. The syslogd daemon is
 an enhanced version of the standard Berkeley utility program. This
 daemon is responsible for providing logging of messages received from
 programs and facilities on the local host as well as from remote
 hosts.
 .
 The klogd daemon listens to kernel message sources and is responsible
 for prioritizing and processing operating system messages. The klogd
 daemon can run as a client of syslogd or optionally as a standalone
 program. Klogd can now be used to decode EIP addresses if it can
 determine a System.map file.

and when I do:

dpkg -s sysklogd

I get:

Package: sysklogd
Essential: yes
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
Version: 1.3-6
Replaces: syslogd
Provides: syslogd
Pre-Depends: libc5 (>=5.2.18-1)
Conflicts: syslogd
Conffiles:
 /etc/syslog.conf 1158ff9e7d55009929f1b4f1673d0348
 /etc/init.d/sysklogd f03ee6e2e4261b2c43f3a9b60aeb1d50
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Description: Kernel and system logging daemons.
 This package implements two system log daemons. The syslogd daemon is
 an enhanced version of the standard Berkeley utility program. This
 daemon is responsible for providing logging of messages received from
 programs and facilities on the local host as well as from remote
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 .
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 for prioritizing and processing operating system messages. The klogd
 daemon can run as a client of syslogd or optionally as a standalone
 program. Klogd can now be used to decode EIP addresses if it can
 determine a System.map file.

It seems, from the above, that dpkg thinks that the conf-files for syslogd
are still installed?

BTW, this new version does log to the correct files, so we are making
headway :-)

TIA,

Dwarf

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> Package: syslogd
> Status: install ok config-files

> Package: sysklogd
> Status: install ok installed

> It seems, from the above, that dpkg thinks that the conf-files for syslogd
> are still installed?

That was bug 3214, which dpkg 1.2.4 will fix.


Guy

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  Dale> Package: syslogd 
  Dale> Status: install ok config-files
  Dale> 
  Dale> Package: sysklogd 
  Dale> Status: install ok installed
  Dale> 
  Dale>  It seems, from the above, that dpkg thinks that the conf-files for
  Dale> syslogd are still installed?

  Guy>  That was bug 3214, which dpkg 1.2.4 will fix.

Not so.

Bug 3214, which I reported, did not leave the replaced package in status
"installed". It only left the conffiles associated with the package.  That
got fixed by Ian.

What we have here is the rather odd situation of two conflicting packages
installed side by side.

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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca  wrote on 06.06.96 in <m0uReGf-00013qC@miles.econ.queensu.ca>:

>   Carlos>  Package: perl
>   Carlos>  Version: 5.002-10
>   Carlos>
>   Carlos> Version -7 didn't depend on tcsh. Why does this version depend? It
>   Carlos> shouldn't, anyway.
>
> Perl needs tcsh for globbing. There were a couple of bug reports to that
> extend.

Of course, the best solution would be to have Perl do the globbing without
tcsh.

MfG Kai

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Package: xcompat
Version: 3.1.2-4

Debian-Version: 1.1 beta
Kernel: 1.99.10

The error message is:
"can't load library /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXt.so.6.0
exec format error"

$ file /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXt.so.6.0
Linux/i386 demand-paged executable (ZMAGIC), stripped

I've loaded the module binfmt_aout.
I've ever had trouble with those ZMAGIC, and they are to me just that:
ZMAGIC.  Must be something related to hackers.

        =|o)

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  Matthew> Also, try installing at (version 2.9a-11) without installing
  Matthew> mailx.  The recommends line says:
  Matthew>
  Matthew>   Recommends: smail | sendmail | mail-trasfer-agent, mailx
  Matthew>
  Matthew> I have smail installed, but nevertheless dselect forces me to
  Matthew> select mailx also.

This correct. Only the mailx package provides the
	echo spong | mail someuser
functionality that at needs.

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Good day folks,

finally I have installed a Debian 1.1 together with innd
on our domains newsserver.  While testing the innd I noticed
that it logs _every_ single news article to syslog. This is
too much.

As this can result in a) a slow newsserver and b) in very big
logfiles, this should IMHO be documented in the README in
/usr/doc/news.

Regards,

	Joey

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Good day folks,

the famous midnight commander is linked dynamiccally against libgpm
and therefore has to depend on gpm.

namib!root:/tmp# ldd /usr/bin/mc
        libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
        libgpm.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Have a pleasant remainder of the week,

	Joey

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Moin

  Martin>  Subject: Changing wrong password Package: passwd Version: 1.0-4
  Martin>
  Martin> Good day folks,
  Martin>
  Martin> recently I noticed that the password program doesn t change the
  Martin> password it should.  If I su and call passwd the root password
  Martin> isn't changed, but my user password.
  Martin>
  Martin> I think (?!) this can be fixed by looking at the uid/euid when
  Martin> trying to find out for which user the program should work.
  Martin>
  Martin> Here's an excerpt:
  Martin>
  Martin> namib!joey:~> su - Password: namib!root:~# passwd Changing password
  Martin> for joey Enter new password: Re-type new password: You misspelled
  Martin> it. Password not changed.

Hast Du mal 'su' ohne '-' versucht?.

Von su(1):

       -, -l, --login
              Make  the shell a login shell.  This means the fol-
              lowing.  Unset  all  environment  variables  except
              `TERM',  `HOME',  and  `SHELL'  (which  are  set as
              described above), and `USER' and  `LOGNAME'  (which
              are  set,  even  for  the  super-user, as described
              above), and set `PATH'  to  a  compiled-in  default
              value.   Change  to USER's home directory.  Prepend
              "-" to the shell's name, to make it read its  login
              startup file(s).


Tschoe,

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You are missing the fact that a package "source" (now obsolete) is not the
same as a package "kernel-source-1.3.100".

Perl has been upgraded yesterday or so. Try version -10.

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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.0elf

When package A recommends package B, dselect should nevertheless
permit you to select package A without selecting package B.

Try selecting auctex (version 9.3c-2).  A bevy of other latex-related
packages will be suggested for you by deselect because they are
recommended by auctex (and transitively).  You can either accept their
selection, or back out -- but in the latter case, auctex remains
unselected.

Also, try installing at (version 2.9a-11) without installing mailx.
The recommends line says:

  Recommends: smail | sendmail | mail-trasfer-agent, mailx

I have smail installed, but nevertheless dselect forces me to select
mailx also.

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Subject: Changing wrong password

Package: passwd
Version: 1.0-4

Good day folks,

recently I noticed that the password program doesn
t change the password it should.  If I su and call passwd
the root password isn't changed, but my user password.

I think (?!) this can be fixed by looking at the uid/euid
when trying to find out for which user the program should work.

Here's an excerpt:

namib!joey:~> su -
Password:
namib!root:~# passwd
Changing password for joey
Enter new password:
Re-type new password:
You misspelled it. Password not changed.

Regards,

	Martin

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Package: perl
Version: 5.002-7

Perl recommends kernel sources, which is fine.  But it won't figure
out that they are installed when the kernel-source package is
installed.  (The sources are really there; I have built the kernel
with them.)  The session below indicates that this is possibly not a
bug with perl, but with the kernel sources package instead.

Script started on Fri Jun  7 05:13:25 1996
~> dpkg --status perl
Package: perl
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: devel
Maintainer: Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
Version: 5.002-7
Depends: libc5, libgdbm1, libdb1
Recommends: source | includes
Description: Larry Wall's Practical Extracting and Report Language.
 An interpreted scripting language, known among some as "Unix's
 Swiss Army Chainsaw".
 .
 Perl is optimized for scanning arbitrary text files and system
 administration. It has built-in extended regular expression matching
 and replacement, a dataflow mechanism to improve security with
 setuid scripts and is extendible via modules that can interface
 to C libraries.

~> dpkg --status source
Package `source' is not installed and no info is available.

Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
~> dpkg --status includes
Package `includes' is not installed and no info is available.

Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
~> dpkg --info /usr/local/src/debian/unstable/binary-i386/devel/kernel-source-1.3.100-0.all.deb
 old debian package, version 0.939000.
 size 5645680 bytes: control archive= 2452, main archive= 5643214.
     413 bytes,    12 lines      control
    4312 bytes,   173 lines   *  postinst             #!/bin/perl
    3208 bytes,   143 lines   *  postrm               #!/bin/perl
 Package: kernel-source-1.3.100
 Priority: optional
 Description: Linux kernel source.
  This package provides the source code for the Linux kernel, as well
  as the scripts that maintain the symbolic link /usr/src/linux.
 Source: kernel-source-1.3.100
 Version: 1.3.100-0
 Architecture: all
 Section: devel
 Depends: binutils | gas
 Provides: kernel-source, kernel-headers
 Maintainer: Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connect.net>
~> dpkg --info /usr/local/src/debian/unstable/binary-i386/devel/kernel-source-1.3.100-0.all.deb


Package `kernel-source' is not installed and no info is available.

Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
~> dpkg --status kernel-headers
Package `kernel-headers' is not installed and no info is available.

Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
~> exit



Package: dpkg
Essential: yes
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Maintainer: Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>
Version: 1.2.0elf
Replaces: dpkgname
Pre-Depends: libc5 (>= 5.2.18-2), ncurses3.0
Conflicts: dpkgname
Description: Package maintenance system for Debian Linux
 This package contains the programs which handle the installation and
 removal of packages on your system.
 .
 The primary interface for the dpkg suite is the `dselect' program;
 a more low-level and less user-friendly interface is available in
 the form of the `dpkg' command.

~> exit

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Package: emacs
Version: 19.30-1

Derived.el, after deriving from Text mode or one of its derivatives,
looses.

The problem can be fixed by using the version of derived.el
distributed with emacs-19.31 with the 19.30 binary.  I have not tested
the 19.31 version with 19.30 binary extensively, but it seems to be
fine.

Here is a demonstration of the problem.

Invoke emacs with "emacs -q -no-init-file -l foo.el" where foo.el is
the file below between -----s.  You will be in a newly defined mode
"Bugly".  Press any letter key, and you get an error.  You can't
backtrace this error.

This does not happen when deriving from Fundamental mode.

----------------
; fundamental-mode causes no problem

; text-mode and derivative modes (e.g., latex-mode) cause the problem.

(define-derived-mode bugly-mode text-mode "Bugly"
 "documentation" (message "Firing up Bugly Mode"))

(bugly-mode)
----------------

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I'm making an effort to clear out old bug reports.

Unless there is objection, I'm going to close the following bug reports:

#797   /etc/termcap console keydefs for function keys
#836   Possible bugs in termcap system
#1045  tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd)
#1803  /etc/termcap linux definition incomplete

since they all deal with the 'termcap' package, which is no longer used by
debian.

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OK, cdwrite and mkisofs are both now extra/misc.

Ian.

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Good day folks,

do we need two versions of ndbm.h?  One comes from libdb1-dev and the
other comes from libgdbm1-dev.  They differ.

I'm not sure wether both are needed or should conflict with each
other.  Could ne1 who is familiar with both please check this and/or
explain it to me?  At least this caused some problems with compiling
ifmail &c.

Have a pleasant weekend,

	Joey

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In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.960607060025.23153J-100000@brando.ece.utexas.edu> you write:
>On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Michael Nonweiler wrote:
>
>> The error message is "root login not allowed..." etc. ie.  /etc/securetty
>> problem, but /etc/securetty is correct, and things soon start to work...
>> I don't think syslog problems could cause this.
>
>This line from Dirk's auth.log is illuminating.  Note the last 2
>characters:
>Jun  5 16:29:20 miles login: LOGIN root REFUSED ON TTY tty??
>
>The ?? means that the call to ttyname(0) returned NULL.  The man page
>for ttyname() says it can fail if the fd is not connected to a
>terminal.  I'll have to check libc if there are other ways that it
>could fail.

Not necessarily; in my experience with utmp, a line of '??' means
that utmp has somehow become corrupted. These entries should
really be marked as UT_DEAD (or whatever the flag should be for
the type).

There is a race _somewhere_; leading to these out-of-date utmp
entries. I haven't been able to track it down yet :(

Austin

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The following problem reports have not yet been marked as `taken up' by a
message to debian-bugs-done@pixar.com or or `forwarded' by a
message to debian-bugs-forwarded@pixar.com.

OVER 14 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  660 gdb        GDB gets address of structure  David Engel <david@ods.com>
  725 xbase      twm places windows incorrectly Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  740 xbase      xclock leaves `droppings' in i Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  773 xbase      xmh falls over if mh is not in Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  775 xbase      twm reports errors on incorrec Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o

OVER 13 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  797 termcap    /etc/termcap console keydefs f (unknown -- `termcap')
  798 svgalib    svgalib gets control key mucke Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
  818 bash       bash builtin `echo' doesn't ch daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
  820 tcsh       tcsh builtin `echo' doesn't ch Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
  821 shellutils /bin/echo doesn't check write  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
  825 trn        trn warning messages corrupt t (orphan)
  836 termcap    Possible bugs in termcap syste (unknown -- `termcap')
  853 shellutils `nice' does not do anything    daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da

OVER 12 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  887 xarchie    xarchie barfs when ftp closes  Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.s
  889 info       Info 3.1-6                     Erick Branderhorst <branderhors
  902 lpr        lpr can't print a PostScript f dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
  911 libc4      libc causes rsh to fail on com Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
  957 dpkg       dpkg should automatically log  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam

OVER 11 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  988 bsdutils   `script' is insecure, and gene Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
  998 boot-flopp Can't Configure DOS Partitions Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1009 bash       bash problem with quoting/comp daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1016 procps     top has 3's in vt100           Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1032 boot-flopp Linux Counter Project Info Not Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1037 dpkg       dselect user interface (was Re Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1041 boot-flopp Debian printing problem        Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1045 termcap    tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd) (unknown -- `termcap')
 1061 lpr        /etc/printcap vs. /usr/man/man dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)

OVER 10 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1099 perl       perl bug                       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1108 binutils   No manpage ar(5)               David Engel <david@ods.com>
 1112 gsfonts    a2gs output unusable by gs but Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 1118 fortune    fortune is setuid games ?!     dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1130 libc4      Stdlib.h problems when using g Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1164 shellutils who --help uses /etc/{w,u}tmp  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1170 perl       perl fails to make headers fir Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1176 procps     /usr/bin/top segfault with unk Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1201 perl       perl doesn't know about includ Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1211 libc4      libc __nis_getgrnam() segfault Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1233 ifrench    Bad french.hash file in ifrenc jimr@simons-rock.edu (Robinson,
 1239 findutils  /etc/cron.daily/find: updatedb Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>
 1240 procps     ps(1) man page incomplete      Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su

OVER 9 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1246 procps     ps man page does not agree wit Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1247 perl       perl <...> globbing only works Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1265 uucp       Misc. uucp bugs                dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1275 xarchie    xarchie clumsy with 2-button m Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.s
 1278 libc4      dpkg seg faults with NIS       Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1279 libc4      Strangeness involving <bsd/sig Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1281 bin86      bin86                          (unknown -- `bin')
 1292 xserver-sv X locks up                     Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1303 binutils   `man 1 nm` slightly incomplete David Engel <david@ods.com>
 1314 ncurses3.0 ncurses fails in silly way on  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 1336 procps     CFLAGS shouldn't be used when  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su

OVER 8 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1366 acm        acm networking problems        Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1372 boot-flopp rootdisk: no dvorak keytable   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1378 libc4      weird ELF/a.out difference     Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1381 workbone   workbone postinst fails        dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1399 dpkg       dselect error handling not con Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1406 backup     backup postrm can fail when it (unknown -- `backup')
 1411 perl       perlconfig misses an opportuni Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1429 bibtex, kp several TeX packages Provide t Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1451 ghostview  `ghostviewR6' conflict with gh Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.
 1467 ax25-kerne `ax25-kernel-source', `ax25-ut (unknown -- `ax')
 1468 glibcdoc   `glibcdoc' should use `info-br Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1480 dpkg       start-stop-daemon doesn't chec Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1481 smail      smail paniclog suggestion      Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1488 dld        dld control file dsccription p gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 1502 ltxtool lt Uniform lists in debian.contro Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1526 dpkg       man dpkg(5) dpkg(8) dselect    Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1532 repair     no revision number with repair (unknown -- `repair')
 1533 procps     `w' produces bogus login@, idl Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1549 bash       bash should not have world-rea daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1555 dpkg       suggestion for dselect         Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1560 shellutils `su' produces incomplete log e daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1616 shellutils 'who' can't find utmp          daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1621 xbase      Xmark has no manpage           Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1624 bash       thermal run away problem       daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da

OVER 7 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1642 dpkg       dpkg recursive package listing Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1647 texbin     dpkg can present incorrect inf Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1653 texbin     Missing dvicopy(1) man page.   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1663 texbin     TeX comes without configuratio Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1664 texbin     TeX is lacking documentation o Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1670 dpkg       start-stop-daemon is too slow  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1672 (ftp.debia non-free packages              Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1681 cron       Missing files                  Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 1685 libc4      dpkg-split --msdos not correct Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1686 mfbin      psfonts.map can't be found     Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1690 xbase      XDM protection fault on X conf Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1691 xbase      X config allows invalid numeri Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1693 smail      forwarded message from Harald  Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1699 base       Install/Config quirks: Missing Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1702 bash       telnet+su root->thermal proces daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1703 xtron      xtron documentation            Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 1707 image      image 1.2.13-5 has no msdos.o  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1708 adduser? m `passwd' not interruptible whe Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 1711 adduser    adduser replaces NIS entries i Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 1713 procps     procps: manpage doesn't tell t Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1714 bash       bash is confused when breaking daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1717 gopherd    gopherd recommends freeWAIS -  Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1718 gopherd    gopherd version has spurious q Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1742 base       /dev/tty has wrong permissions Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1744 image      dpkg: cannot scan updates dire Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1746 bash       rsh <system> sh -i produces CP daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1747 nas        nas: no manpages for au availa D.J. Gregor <dgregor@coil.com>
 1759 source     running out of swap causes dea Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1767 cern-httpd cern-httpd installation        Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starba
 1771 ltxtool    Legal problems with ltxtool    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1774 libc4      <paths.h>: _PATH_DEFPATH conta Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1791 dosemu     dosemu troubles                (unknown -- `dosemu')
 1794 base       /bin/sh is shell when none spe Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1796 xserver-s3 missing call to ntohs in X ser (unknown -- `xserver-s')
 1797 dpkg       ELF conversion                 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1799 smail      smail nameresloving problems   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1803 termcap    /etc/termcap linux definition  (unknown -- `termcap')
 1812 textutils  Cut in textutils with fields   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1818 dpkg       Perl perlconfig message        Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1819 xbase      X11 doesn't set a lock on the  Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1823 texbin     texbin postinst failed with er Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1831 pgp-i      pgp-i bug..                    Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 1834 bash       [kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de: daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da

OVER 6 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1845 trn        dead.letter and dead.article a (orphan)
 1851 gopher-cli gopher-client-2.1.1 has quotes Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1853 procps     top fails after 130 processes? Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1854 fileutils  cp -dpR doesn't preserve owner daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1855 base       packages adding entries to /et Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1856 perl       creating perl header files     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1858 kpathsea   kpathsea package does not inst Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1865 kpathsea   cmr10 at 10.0pt not loadable:  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1873 dvipsk     dvipsk ignores /etc/papersize! Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1874 a2ps       a2ps ignores /etc/papersize!   (unknown -- `a')
 1879 emacs      Emacs shell mode weirdness - l Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1881 majordomo  Majordomo UID wrong?           Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 1885 base       base 0.93.6-13: doesn't create Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1901 kbd        `compose' keytable command not Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 1908 procps     Top and tabs                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1914 image      general protection in unix_pro Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1916 perl       perl: wrong entries in Config. Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1921 dpkg       dpkg,update-alternatives: 3 pr Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1922 source     1.3.43 Kernel is too nice      Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1923 lpr        lpr not de-installing          dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 1929 smail      aliasinclude and forwardinclud Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1930 mime-suppo metamail wants xloadimage      Brian White <bcwhite@pobox.com>
 1933 procps     w from procps gives wrong idle Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1934 mfbin      font scaling problem           Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1946 samba      nmbd won't browse              Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 1954 base       setting up the network         Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1955 base       base discs still aren't creati Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1962 image      kernel needs sbpcd.h editing i Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1971 librl      librl should be in required    Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1972 perl       perl should suggest kernel sou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1973 workbone   workbone postinst needs reword dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1981 xcontrib   xman fails to format ascii(7)  Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.u
 1984 workbone   dpkg won't install cdtool      dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1985 xbase      xdm won't redirect to remote m Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1989 image      mmap bug?                      Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1995 cron       run-parts on laptops           Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u

OVER 5 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1997 ncurses3.0 ncurses linux terminal definit (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2001 base       Incorrect ownership of audio d Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2009 mailx      mailx ignores ^C at Subject pr Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2010 mailx      mailx misses VM-generated From Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2011 libc4      very silly messages from rsh   Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2022 ?          utmp corruption                (unknown)
 2023 texbin     latex dumps core on -QUIT      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2027 web2c      tiny bug in web2c debian.rules (unknown -- `web')
 2037 bibtex     bibtex not searching $TEXINPUT Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2038 texbin     tex man page has unexpanded ma Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2039 xserver-ma X server font erosion          (unknown -- `xserver-mach')
 2045 ksmbfs     smb[u]mount not suid root      Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2047 grep       grep segfaults when abused     Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 2051 xntp       /etc/ntp.conf is an auto-handl Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2052 cron       find over NFS                  Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 2054 latex,xdvi no subject (file transmission) Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2063 source     scsi driver sequence unreasona Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2064 source     aha1740 driver only supports o Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2067 lynx       lynx -source can't find docume Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2068 shellutils su doesn't su.                 daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2070 base       /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2076 ncurses-bi reset(1)                       Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2085 ncurses3.0 /usr/lib/termcap/l/linux kbs C (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2099 ax25-util  slip module stops axattach     (unknown -- `ax')
 2104 dvipsk     dvips doesn't provide color    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2105 image      console error messages "Source Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2110 bash       Bash tab completion of non alp daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da

OVER 4 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2112 inn        Submission for INN doc file    Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2122 xdvik      xdvik doesn't handle the `zcat Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2130 ncurses3.0 ncurses3.0-dev misinstalls scr (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2158 ncurses-te new ncurses bug ?              Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2159 procps     "ps pids" lists more than just Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2161 binutils   elf-binutils 2.5.2l.20-1 ld ca David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2167 timezone   timezone zdump for US zones gi Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2169 timezone   timezone zdump utility should  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2170 timezone   timezone: it needs more docume Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2171 timezone   timezone: how to determine zon Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2177 strace     "strace -ff -o file dpkg --ins Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@wi.l
 2182 perl       perl shouldn't touch /usr/loca Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2183 emacs      emacs shouldn't touch /usr/loc Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2184 perl       perl's sys/socket.ph causes wa Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2185 mflib      texmf/metafont or texmf/mf ?   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2186 texlib     national hyphenation patterns  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2196 ytalk      ytalk `shell' option can't run Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2197 hdparm     hdparm -c switch               gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2198 uucp       uuxqt can't execute rmail      dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2200 ghostview  Description                    Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.
 2204 ksmbfs     Description                    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2205 most       Description                    Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 2206 rsynth     Description                    Marcel Riedi <riedi@tik.ee.ethz
 2209 dld        Description                    gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2211 auto-pgp   Description                    Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 2217 kbd        loadkeys problem               Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2220 inn        INN feed password interacts ba Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2231 mathpad    mathpad problems               Erick Branderhorst <branderh@de
 2233 groff      groff-1.09-4                   Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 2235 emacs      emacs eats manual pages        Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2238 kbd        another loadkeys problem       Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2241 perl       Perl 5.002-3 handles LANG and  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2242 mc (Midnig mc should depend on ncurses3.0 Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2243 xbase      xterm vanishes when it's big ( Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2251 perl       Perl coredumps while invoking  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2254 perl       perl doesn't initialize variab Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2265 bash       bash `horizontal scroll' can't daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2267 emacs      emacs ange ftp fails           Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2268 cern-httpd stale documentation links      Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starba
 2275 timezone   ctime(3) should be replaced by Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2284 mailx      mailx ^C at Cc: prompt sends m Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2291 ncurses3.0 missing terminfo capabilities  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2292 shellutils date does not support dates pa daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2293 uucp       uucp should compress big files dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2295 lynx       (no subject)                   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2296 (debian-bu debian-bugs WWW doesn't say ho Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.ch
 2297 xbase      xterm gets mouse-paste and RET Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2298 trn        trn bug with shell escaping    (orphan)
 2301 bash       bash doesn't document any way  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da

OVER 3 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2302 rcs        RCS - problems with msdos file Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 2304 mount      umount calls gethostbyname() a Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2305 xosview    xosview doesn't work?          joost witteveen <joostje@master
 2309 adduser    Multiple root accounts         Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 2311 svgalib    svgalib has undocumented setui Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 2313 xbase      xterm keymapping problems susp Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2318 emacs      Emacs makes it hard for MTAs t Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2321 libc5 (and libc doesn't use **h_aliases ( Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2334 mh         MH scan -width dumps core      Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2338 cron       finds in cron.daily should be  Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 2342 libgr      libpng too old (0.71) for Aren Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2343 libgr      libgz obsolete and confusing n Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2345 shellutils Inclusion of shadow breaks up  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2346 mh         MH can lose mail               Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2348 smail      Smail fails to define NO_PETER Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 2353 xterm-colo postrm script broken           Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
 2356 mailx      mailx -- problems with TMPDIR  Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2357 dvipsk     dvipsk generated PS causes `re Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2359 dlltools   dlltools example               adfernan@cnd.mcgill.ca (Andrew 
 2360 xbase      xdm cannot find a free VT      Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2362 bash       bash (readline) dumps core on  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2365 pine       Pine erases message before I c Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 2367 pine       Pine supplies PATH line when p Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 2379 svgalib1   svgalib postinst broken        Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 2382 nvi        would like `view' link for nvi Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2387 libc5-dev  gethostbyaddr(3) ill documente Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2392 emacs      Emacs mishandles fonts under X Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2402 procps     ps no longer understands `g' o Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2403 xntp       xntpd fails with kernel 1.3.68 Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2405 perl       perl postinst messages re unct Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2412 xosview    xosview can't do -net nor -cua joost witteveen <joostje@master
 2417 emacs      emacs inferior process buffers Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2423 smail      scattered sendmail links       Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 2425 ispell     ispell thinks `formated' is co Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@
 2426 apache     apache overwrites existing hom Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2427 procps     top d 60 fails                 Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2428 nvi        nvi segmentation faults        Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2430 kermit     kermit configuration script is (unknown -- `kermit')
 2431 emacs      Emacs mishandles X fonts.      Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2439 sysvinit   rc?.d scripts sometimes not ru Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2440 perl       sys/socket.ph produces spuriou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2450 cdtool     `cdir' prints out huge chunks  dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 2455 svgalib1   can't install svgalib1-1.28-5  Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 2460 procps     bizarre output from `free'     Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2463 image      "msdos" filesystem needed for  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2470 image      in kernel Attached ether adapt Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2474 ncurses-bi /usr/bin/reset does the wrong  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2475 at         `at' uses middle-endian 2-digi Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 2476 emacs      emacs mucks up my email addres Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2477 emacs      annoying bug in emacs          Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2478 emacs      ange ftpd croaks on anonftpd   Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2479 emacs      ange-ftp is incredibly ineffic Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2481 (general)  /sbin/ldconfig in scripts      debian-devel@pixar.com
 2483 libdb1     libdb1 uses not-yet-completely (unknown -- `libdb')
 2484 libgdbm1   libgdbm1 conflicts with some v (unknown -- `libgdbm')
 2486 xwpe       Ghost packages                 D.J. Gregor <dgregor@coil.com>

Over two months old - attention is required:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2491 dvi2tty    dvi2tty: disdvi segfaults      (unknown -- `dvi')
 2493 gcc        GCC -O3 produces unsatisfied e David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2495 perl       perl requires tcsh (as it is c Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2497 amd        Fixes for amd-upl102           Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2500 emacs      (no subject)                   Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2501 perl       (no subject)                   Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2502 perl       configure fails if /vmlinuz is Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2503 e2ctags, e elvis and emacs both provide c (unknown -- `e')
 2504 libdb      remove -m486 from Makefile     (unknown -- `libdb')
 2510 rxvt       rxvt-2.14 breaks old scripts   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2520 procps     procps needs dependency on ncu Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2524 base       problems with base package     Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2529 libgr-dev  libgr and libgr-dev both provi Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2530 bind       bind locks up system           Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2531 dpkg       install-info should use better Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2532 emacs      Emacs fails to use `set -e' in Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2536 dpkg       dpkg inappropriately marks pac Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2538 base       audio devices have different g Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2542 netatalk   No default config files?       Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 2547 tf         tf does not support visual mod Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2555 lpr        lpd source files aren't clean  dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2556 lpr        "\031\1"                       dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2557 elm        add to elm manpage             Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2562 elm        elm manpage paths incorrect    Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2569 boot-flopp bootdisk: Leading dot in dnsdo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2573 libc5-dev  sysinfo system call not in lib Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2575 ytalk      ytalk lies about who you are t Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2576 dpkg       base: selecting [A]ccess with  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2589 perl       perl can't load libdb.so.1     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2590 perl       new revision of perl does not  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2591 dialog     rootdisk                       David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2592 elvis      Elvis Compilation Peoblem      (unknown -- `elvis')
 2593 perl       perl tries to install in /usr/ Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2596 emacs      install-info (v1.1.2) creates  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2603 dpkg       dpkg-1.1.3 seg fault when inst Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2604 ash        ash: cc: Internal compiler err Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2605 ifrench    #1233,#1793 (ifrench doesn't w jimr@simons-rock.edu (Robinson,
 2607 man        man and mandb invocation error Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2609 emacs      (no subject)                   Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2610 libg++27   support for m68k-linux         Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2621 texbin     unstable/texbin install fails  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2630 emacs      emacs package needs to break c Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2634 emacs      emacs hung                     Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2637 man        unstable/man loops building in Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2638 man        unstable/man loops building in Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2648 mh                                        Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2650 win32binut win32binutils has /usr/bin/fle (unknown -- `win')
 2658 perl       Errors during perlconfig       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2661 mh         dist and mh both have a dist m Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2664 dpkg       dselect problems with dpkg-1.1 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam

Over one month old:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2671 timezone   timezone Mexico/General doesn' Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2682 timezone   Zoneinfo library has a name-cl Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2688 base       base: wrong group for rft* dev Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2689 xemacs     (no subject)                   (unknown -- `xemacs')
 2690 netatalk   netatalk: a few small problems Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 2691 perl       new perl break suid scripts    Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2692 image      kernel swap space problem      Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2699 ytalk      ytalk doesn't use FQDNs        Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2701 seyon      seyon: dpkg --purge doesn't wo Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 2703 apache     apache: wrong location of icon Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2709 emacs      emacs should list /usr/lib/ema Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2710 xterm-colo colour xterm has problems when Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
 2712 man        man fails to recover correctly Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2714 emacs      Emacs and XEmacs share files   Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2717 (general)  conffiles in /usr              debian-devel@pixar.com
 2721 procps     free fails to understand recen Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2728 procps     top coredump                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2731 emacs      emacs with gud creates ~/.term Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2733 mailx      /usr/bin/mail leaves lock file Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2737 arrl-infos arrl-infoserv: missing source  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2738 boot-flopp Installing Debian 1.1          Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2739 boot-flopp Configuring Network with Debia Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2740 boot-flopp Configuring Network with Debia Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2741 base       First booting with Debian 1.1  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2749 ltxmisc    ltxmisc: missing source file   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2751 mfbasfnt   mfbasfnt: missing source file  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2758 dld        dld: missing source file       gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2759 glibcdoc   glibcdoc: missing source file  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2762 ax25-kerne ax25-kernel-source: missing so (unknown -- `ax')
 2763 textfm     textfm: missing source file    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2764 texpsfnt   texpsfnt: missing source file  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2765 ax25-util  ax25-util: missing source file (unknown -- `ax')
 2766 texlib     texlib: missing source file    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2772 mflib      mflib: missing source file     Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2774 syslinux   syslinux: missing source file  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2783 trn        trn needs to provide virtual p (orphan)
 2785 timezone   Timezone has static library?   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2789 elm        elm doesn't show rest of pgp-s Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2796 sysvinit   sysvinit makes obsolete symbol Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2797 nvi        nvi dumped core?               Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2799 man        mandb doesn't like manpage for Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2802 apache     apache tweaks                  Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2803 xdvik      xdvi does not handle redraws o Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2806 ncurses3.0 ncurses man pages internal inc (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2808 cron       wrong crontab entry for atrun  Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 2809 xntp       No manpages in xntp package    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2810 uucp       uucp postrm should use -f flag dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2812 apache     Apache server: SECURITY HOLE   Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2814 apache     Apache 1.0.3: wrong manpage    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2818 bash       bash doesn't provide enough do daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2819 bind       named loses (in an easily fixe Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2822 inn        Some minor glitches with the i Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2823 mc         mc segfaults on reconnect of f Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2825 nvi        restricted movement in nvi     Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2828 dpkg       have to install xosview twice  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2829 emacs      emacs: gdb says: slashes aren' Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2832 nvi        nvi likes turning auto-margins Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2834 dpkg       desect loses state if it can't Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2839 xemacs     Xemacs problems                (unknown -- `xemacs')
 2840 base       Conflicting entries in login/g Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2841 procps     top produces `$<3>' at end of  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2850 boot-flopp nfs.o isn't loaded in clean de Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2852 g77        Bug 2711: g77 does not include (unknown -- `g')
 2855 nvi        nvi changes xterm settings...  Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2856 bash       fd leak in bash                daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2861 manpages   glob(3) references glob(7); th Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 2862 man        man 9menu doesn't work         Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2863 ncurses-ba dselect and ncurses in select  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2864 amd        serious bug in amd!            Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2865 gcl        gcl's Tk support is broken     krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sack
 2868 amd        amd hangs on tcsh hostname com Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2870 dpkg-ftp   dpkg-ftp-1.4.1 bug             (unknown -- `dpkg-ftp')
 2872 apache     Apache starts several times    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2874 gpm        gpm will not work if the syste Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 2876 svgalib1   svgalib will not work in a set Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 2884 tkman      tkman doesn't use /var/catman  David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2889 base       no NCR 53c810 driver in 1.1 bo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2891 taper      taper documentation is missing Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 2892 setserial  setserial marked as Essential  Gordon Russell <gor@dcs.napier.
 2893 boot-flopp forwarded 1.1 installation bug Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2894 dpkg       dpkg guidelines info files not Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2895 base       base -- incorrect passwd entry Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2896 libdb      postinst has bad permissions 6 (unknown -- `libdb')
 2899 libreadlin postinst has bad permissions 6 (unknown -- `libreadline')
 2904 dpkg       install-info doesn't cope with Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2906 glibcdoc   Inconsistency in libc.info re  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2908 sysvinit   mesg sets wrong permissions on Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2909 gcc        GCC Info has funny formatting  David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2910 gcc        GCC accepts multi-line strings David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2911 dpkg       Conffiles are deleted too late Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2913 ipx        ipx bootup scripts are broken  mrn20@cam.ac.uk (Michael R. Non
 2914 boot-flopp (no subject)                   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2919 fort77     very bad fort77 installation m (unknown -- `fort')
 2920 base       incorrect entry for nobody in  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2923 cdtool     CD-ROM device /dev/hdc permiss dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 2926 lilo       Lilo: can't make documentation Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2927 base       /usr/info/dir in base confuses Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2928 base       nobody has wrong login shell   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2929 dpkg       dpkg-name 1.1.6 is broken.     Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam

Submitted in the last month:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2933 dpkg-ftp   dpkg-ftp needs perl 5.002      (unknown -- `dpkg-ftp')
 2934 apache     Some cgi scripts don't work    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2937 (bootdisk) Copyright message function key Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2938 procps     libproc is in wrong place      Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2939 dpkg       Bad dpkg/ldconfig Interaction  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2940 image      image-1.3.64-0 lacks scsi tape Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2941 (ftp.debia lots of hyphens in archive     Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2942 timezone?, Wrong timezone for Europe/Wars Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2945 (rootdisk) Bus Error given by rootdisk    Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2946 lynx       Lynx gives fatal error message Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2949 mandelspaw mandelspawn still a.out! (Depe Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2956            beta experience                (unknown)
 2959 shellutils date +%Z bug                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2962 ncurses3.0 dselect arrow keys don't work  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2964 lynx       lynx -dump fails through proxy Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2965 lynx       lynxexec not compiled into lyn Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2966 (debian-bu bugs2ftp is broken             Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.ch
 2969 man        zsoelim [in man] is confused b Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2970 groff      soelim [in groff] is confused  Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 2971 mailx      mailx doesn't quit on two succ Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2972 mfbin      MetaFONT linked against X libr Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2973 dpkg       install-info created 5 Develop Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2975 base       [base] missing /dev entries    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2977 vgrind     vgrind: name clash causes core Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.
 2978 base       May 13 15:51:25 lohi wu-ftpd[3 Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2982 xntp       xntp calls ntpdate at start    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2989 rxvt       rxvt source bug                Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2991 elm        nfrm is not installed...       Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2998 (bug track bugs2ftp still flaky           (unknown -- `(bug')
 3002 base       majordomo has conflicting grou Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3006 ldso       ldso message about cache warni David Engel <david@ods.com>
 3019 kernel_ima no 386 support in kernel_image (unknown -- `kernel_image')
 3026 xbase      xbase et al postinst doesn't f Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3027 base       updatedb can't run properly    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3028 weblint    bad weblint permission         Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3031 boot-flopp various boot-floppies nits     Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3034 lpr        SOLVED: can't remove print job dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3035 nvi        nvi dumps core                 Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3036 base       automatic adduser/addgroup in  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3038 lpr        SOLVED: can't remove print job dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3039 base       MAKEDEV script does not create Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3040 kernel-ima Sound module in 1.3.95 kernel  (unknown -- `kernel-image')
 3042 elm        Elm produces bogus Content-Typ Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 3044 tkdiff     tkdiff -- calls wrong "wish" p krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sack
 3046 smail      Smail configuration problem?   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3047 cron       cron script problem?           Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 3050 xbmbrowser xbmbrowser man page installed  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3052 guile      guile is missing slib.info.gz  Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3053 gnats      gnats: typo in postinst omits  bcwhite@pobox.com (Brian C. Whi
 3056 ash        ash-source contains objects    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3060 sysklogd   problems with new sysklogd-1.3 (unknown -- `sysklogd')
 3064 boot-flopp need a pointer in /usr/doc/boo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3065 lsof       lsof looks for /System.map     Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.
 3066 various    a.out binaries in various pack (unknown -- `various')
 3067 xaw3d      broken libXaw3d                (unknown -- `xaw')
 3070 base       base copyright string          Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3073 xbase      xbase contains imake and xmkmf Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3075 lpr, magic lpr, magicfilter, dvi-fonts fa dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3077 mfbin      gray font .mf files missing fr Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3080 procps     error message in syslog caused Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3084 timezone   missing timezones              Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3085 bsdmainuti bsdmainutils uses inappropriat Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
 3087 shellutils Bug in date.                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3089 trn        trn -- needs to depend on "ine (orphan)
 3093 perl       Perl dumps core                Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3095 xbase      xbase kills xdm and *then* ask Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3096 lxtools    lxtools: user error (misuse of Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3098 man        man-2.3.10-11 segfaults        Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3099 cron       /etc/cron.daily/standard secur Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 3101 dchanges   dchanges warnings              awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 3102 procps     top has problems when not on c Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3103 sysklogd   "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" (unknown -- `sysklogd')
 3104 dchanges   binary only packages upload br awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 3105 lynx       lynx access to dot files is di Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3106 kernel-ima v 1.1 beta kernel image not fo (unknown -- `kernel-image')
 3107 nas        nas postinst could use a warni D.J. Gregor <dgregor@coil.com>
 3108 snmp       snmpd provides too much inform David Engel <david@ods.com>
 3109 man        man 9menu unpleasant           Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3110 xbase?     X servers muck up xdm when uni Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3112 uucp       UUCP uses /usr/spool/uucp (and dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 3113 ncurses3.0 dselect provokes ncurses probl (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3114 cron       cron.daily/standard script     Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 3115 taper      taper recommends ftape         Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3119 emacs      emacs font handling            Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3121 boot-flopp boot-floppies doesn't have bas Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3122 miscutils  run-parts should ignore RCS    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3124 cern-httpd CERN httpd sends useless cron  Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starba
 3125 dpkg       bug (and correction) in dpkg-1 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3126 pbmplus    pbmplus postinst               Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.
 3128 mc         mc-3.2.1-1 needs libgpm.so.1   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3130 sysvinit   sysvinit init.d/network script Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3135 psnfss     psnfss has no Architecture fie Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3140 sysvinit   /etc/init.d/boot has rm -f bug Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3142 (rootdisk) 1.1 installation and large par Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3143 sysvinit   sysvinit init.d/network script Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3144 octave     octave fails to dynamically lo Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3146 (base)     1.1 installation: ae doesn't w Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3147 rootdisk   May 19 boot floppies...        (unknown -- `rootdisk')
 3148 cron       Cron: Cannot stat in /var/spoo Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 3149 base       upgrading base truncates utmp  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3150 netbase    inetd started too soon         Peter Tobias <tobias@et-inf.fho
 3151 sendmail   Sendmail runs too late         Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3153 inn        inn ctlinnd not readable/execu Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3155 spice      spice still on my system       (unknown -- `spice')
 3156 lpr        lpr and smail uuname returned  dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3157 fileutils  df from fileutils calls sync() daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3158 most       most differs from man page     Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 3161            Newbie 1.1beta installation.   (unknown)
 3162 xbase      disconnects between ncurses-ba Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3163 ncurses-ba disconnects between ncurses-ba Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 3164 smail      runq dumps core                Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3165 manpages   fcntl(2) references nonexisten Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 3166 nvi        SIGSEGV on TERM=dumb           Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3169 genscript  dvipsk doesn't use /etc/papers Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3170 dpkg       again dpkg --root=xxx          Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3172 autoconf   Autoconf does not provide conf Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3174 bash       set -i doesn't work in bash    daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3175 xonix      xonix colors bad for colorblin Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3176 mandelspaw mandelspawn slave problems     Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3177 bash       sh -nc <command> actually runs daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3178 cvs        cvs examples in wrong location Bill Mitchell <mitchell@mdd.com
 3179 emacs      emacs ctags segfaults          Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3180 linuxdoc-s linuxdoc-sgml semantics and fo Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3181 man        apropos in package man depends Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3182 cron       cron's checksecurity runs find Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 3183 base       permissions problems with /var Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3184 xonix      xonix creates /var/lib/games w Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3185 (bootdisk) (no subject)                   Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3186 xfractint  Can't chdir                    (unknown -- `xfractint')
 3189 nvi        nvi over-cautious about .exrc? Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3190 libc5      rlogin takes far too long when Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3191 ncurses    reset(1) doesn't bring an xter (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3192 ncurses    tset(1) man page problem       (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3195 kernel-ima "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" fail (unknown -- `kernel-image-')
 3196 ispell     ispell symlinks broken         Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@
 3197 procmail   wrong uid/gid in /usr/doc/proc Wendal Catt <wendal@southwind.n
 3198 dviljk     dviljk is still aout! :-(      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3199 lists.debi Bizarre message from debian-de (unknown -- `lists.debian.org')
 3201 screen     screen ^a:exec !  doesn't clea joost witteveen <joostje@master
 3202 dviljk     dviljk doesn't read stdin!!! : Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3206 rc         rc terminates on CTRL-C        Simon Shapiro <shimon@i-Connect
 3207 ncurses3.0 strange screen update choices  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3208 amd        amd bug                        Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3209 findutils  /etc/cron.daily/find does noth Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>
 3210 kbd        loadkeys infelicities          Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3211 xsysinfo   xsysinfo has no documentation  (unknown -- `xsysinfo')
 3212 perl       Perl recommends nonexistent pa Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3213 fortune    fortune need libc.so.4         dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 3216 auto-pgp   auto-pgp doesn't remove info e Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 3217 auctex     auctex postrm has bad call to  Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.
 3218 dpkg       install-info adds Miscellaneou Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3219 bsdmainuti col(1) does not pass 8-bit cha Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
 3220 man        apropos dumps core             Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3222 jargon     Jargon info entry in wrong cat Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3223 guile      guile installs entry for slib, Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3224 apsfilter  apsfilter doesn't configure on (unknown -- `apsfilter')
 3225            dpkg-1.2.3 upgrade problems fr (unknown)
 3227 login      login refuses, and then allows Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
 3228 xfig       upgrading xfig clobbers app de dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 3230 perl       why the hell does perl depend  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3231 base       /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib not pr Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3232 ytalk      ytalk dumps core with unknown  Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3233            dselect for 1.1 as of June, 2n (unknown)
 3234 nvi        nvi segfaults if stty rows 0 c Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3235 nvi        nvi gives unhelpful message fo Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3236 (ftp.debia auto-pgp in non-free, mailcryp Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3237 dchanges   dchanges is not y/-/_/ package awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 3240 libdb      [libdb]: obsolete bugfix       (unknown -- `libdb')
 3241 emacs      derived.el fails in emacs      Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3242 perl       perl's dependencies are wrong  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3243 dpkg       recommendations should not be  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3244            (no subject)                   (unknown)

The listing by package maintainer is posted every Wednesday,
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Please see the developers' notes on the simple bug tracking system
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Package: lilo
Version: 17-2

  I was in the process of upgrading from 0.93R6 to 1.1 when I managed
to mess my screen up (my fault).  I decided the best thing to do was
reboot cleanly, which I did, but when I came to reboot, lilo got as far
as 'LI' which means the secondary loader failed to execute.  According
to the docs, this can be caused by moving boot.b without updating the
map file.  What I guess happened was that the old boot.b was deleted
and over-written, and the new one hadn't been put into service.
(mbr isn't installed yet...)  I think that the old boot.b should stay
around until the new one is installed.  (Maybe until the new version
of lilo has been configured)

The status of lilo is:
  Package: lilo
  Status: install ok unpacked
  Priority: important
  Section: base
  Maintainer: Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
  Version: 17-2
  Depends: mbr
  Description: LInux LOader - Loads Linux from the hard disk without a floppy.
   This program will set up your hard disk to boot Linux.

  The only other part installed package is diff, but I guess that's
not important.  (Status: install reinstreq half-installed)

Neil Turton.
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Ian Jackson wrote:
> 
> 
> Package: nvi
> Version: 1.34-12
> 
> -chiark:~> stty rows 38 columns 80
> -chiark:~> vi
> -chiark:~> stty rows 0 columns 0
> -chiark:~> vi
> Segmentation fault

Yep, it does this. I have a patch, and I'm going to upload it this
weekend.

Steve Greenland

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The entry for Debian in the Distribution-HOWTO stinks. We need to write to
the maintainer Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>

I meant to do this for a long time. Could someone please do this, maybe even
someone with a better grasp of how we currently represented ourselves? Bruce?

(BTW: I cut-and-paste this from a zless display in an rxvt into this emacs/vm
      buffer. Why the heck do the empty lines vanish?)

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  4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution
     Distributor:
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        <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/info>
     Provider's Description:
        Debian GNU/Linux is a complete and fully-functional Unix-
        compatible operating system for the personal
        computer--specifically, the IBM PC and compatibles.
        Essentially, it is a preliminary release of the GNU operating
        system, integrating the finished parts of GNU with the Linux
        kernel and completing the system with freely redistributable
        software from a number of different sources and systems,
        including 4.4BSD-Lite.  It is intended to be a freely
        redistributable replacement for commercial operating systems,
        but it can be used alongside MS-DOS, OS/2, Unix, etc. and can
        even reside on the same hard disk with them.
        For more information about Debian GNU/Linux, please refer to the
        files at  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/info> in the directory or
        visit our World Wide Web page at  <http://www.debian.org/>.
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>>>>> "Oliver" == Oliver Oberdorf <oly@head-cfa.harvard.edu> writes:

    Oliver> I want to farm off my pcmcia package on someone else.  If
    Oliver> you're interested and think you have time, let me know.

I'll volunteer to take over the package.  After all, PCMCIA is a
critical part of my system, so I have to keep on top of the pcmcia-cs
package anyway.

I need to know all that you can tell me about what has been done to
couple the PCMCIA modules to the kernel package.  Please e-mail me
this information, especially any decisions that have been made to
solve this tricky problem.

--
Brian <brian@debian.org>

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Crap. I sent a bunch of bug report stuff with the wrong format for the
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I've decided to bring the new bug system into service, despite there
still being some potential problems with the WWW interface and the
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USERS/DEVELOPERS: PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOUR.  This is not an
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Package: procps
Version: 0.97-4

The original bug report said:

:When using top with TERM set to vt100 I get 3's at the end of every
:line. Seems to work fine if TERM is set to xterm. Maybe it needs to
:be recompiled with a newer version of ncurses?

I took a look at the source for top, and at the man pages for terminfo. The
problem would appear to be that top uses printf() to output the terminfo
capability strings, when it should use tputs()

I hope this is useful.

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The problem seems to be in the top.c code:

    tgetent(NULL, termtype);
    cm = tgetstr("cm", 0);
    top_clrtobot = tgetstr("cd", 0);
    cl = tgetstr("cl", 0);
    top_clrtoeol = tgetstr("ce", 0);
    ho = tgetstr("ho", 0);
    window_size();

There is no error checking after tgetent() to make sure that the termtype
exists.

Also, note:

    termtype = getenv("TERM");
    if (!termtype) {
        /* In theory, $TERM should never not be set, but in practice,
          some gettys don't.  Fortunately, vt100 is nearly always
           correct (or pretty close). */
        termtype = "VT100";
        /* fprintf(stderr, PROGNAME ": $TERM not set\n"); */
        /* exit(1); */
    }

VT100 does not exist -- vt100 does.

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The problem seems to be in the top.c code:

    tgetent(NULL, termtype);
    cm = tgetstr("cm", 0);
    top_clrtobot = tgetstr("cd", 0);
    cl = tgetstr("cl", 0);
    top_clrtoeol = tgetstr("ce", 0);
    ho = tgetstr("ho", 0);
    window_size();

There is no error checking after tgetent() to make sure that the termtype
exists.

Also, note:

    termtype = getenv("TERM");
    if (!termtype) {
        /* In theory, $TERM should never not be set, but in practice,
           some gettys don't.  Fortunately, vt100 is nearly always
           correct (or pretty close). */
        termtype = "VT100";
        /* fprintf(stderr, PROGNAME ": $TERM not set\n"); */
        /* exit(1); */
    }

VT100 does not exist -- vt100 does.

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Linus Torvalds writes:
> Umm, _what_ size? If you set a RLIMIT_DATA (or whatever the name is), 
> that will only make a difference for the process bss (*), and if grep 
> uses mmap(), then we'd need to have a "virtual memory" limit. However, we 
> don't have any such limit, although I added a RLIMIT_AS for 2.0 (but it's 
> currently unchecked).

Yes, you're right. Didn't think about that.

> > sources to see what happened. And my program with a global definition of
> > 'char a[128MB]' still dumpos core.
> 
> Well, dumping core is the corect thing to do - it failed to get the BSS 
> at exec time, so when the program actually ran it was "kind of" unhappy..

I think the bahaviour of the same program compiled in AOUT is much more
correct: It stops with an 'Out of memory' message. IMO we should be able to
have both binary formats do the same.

Michael

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meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Michael Meskes)  wrote on 07.06.96 in <199606070645.IAA00706@circe.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>:

> I'm pretty sure I resubscribed to debian-devel by sending a subscribe mail.
> But then I've been wrong before.

Probably not, that's how I did it every time (was unsubscribed due to mail  
problems recently).

MfG Kai

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I've uploaded to chiark:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Date: 05 Jun 96 19:05 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: David Frey <David.Frey@eos.lugs.ch>
Source: magicfilter
Version: 1.2-4
Binary:  magicfilter
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 magicfilter: automatic printer filter.
Changes: recompiled with /usr/bin/pbmplus-Path
Files:
 c7f01587336550f30b9ece20ce5d9908  58695  text  -  magicfilter-1.2-4.tar.gz
 433131ddf6a7d6edf2252af3b864d463  6862  text  -  magicfilter-1.2-4.diff.gz
 7387fc7e86b0df3ca7654f9e6bf4d0fe  23424  text  extra  magicfilter-1.2-4.i386.deb

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gDxqiqRX3CfVMpnRYP0DYV7JkRHxfscM+R1k5mLxh8VOU81RBkdMWBtCWVnY0c4m
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I've recompiled with the /usr/bin/pbmplus path for the pbmplus utilities.
This is obviously against FSSTND, but I haven't seen an (officially)
corrected pbmplus package yet, and I wanted to ensure compability with the
current pbmplus; since we are shipping 1.1 soon.

David
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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> recently I noticed that the password program doesn
> t change the password it should.  If I su and call passwd
> the root password isn't changed, but my user password.
> 
> I think (?!) this can be fixed by looking at the uid/euid
> when trying to find out for which user the program should work.

Actually this isn't a bug.  If you want to change root's passwd, you'll
just have to type 'passwd root' as root.

passwd must find out the login name of the user running the program.
Doing a getpwuid(getuid()) as you suggest won't work if a user has
multiple login names, each with the same user ID.  Looking through the
utmp for ttyname() or doing getenv("LOGNAME") can both be fooled.

So POSIX provides getlogin().  The system keeps track of who's logged
in for you.  But if you su to a user, the old user is still logged in.
This is only a problem if you su to an id=0 account.

(Closing this bug.)


Guy

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> do we need two versions of ndbm.h?  One comes from libdb1-dev and the
> other comes from libgdbm1-dev.  They differ.

They differ, because both provide ndbm-emulation interfaces...
however, it shouldn't be a problem, since you have to go out of your
way to get the db version:

% dpkg -S ndbm.h
libdb1-dev: /usr/include/db/ndbm.h
libgdbm1-dev: /usr/include/ndbm.h

I took over maintaining both of these (although the lack of bug
reports and the lack of upstream release has meant that I haven't
actually needed to upload a new package.) 

> explain it to me?  At least this caused some problems with compiling
> ifmail &c.

Can you explain more about what the problem was? It might be possible
to unify the compatibility headers, or just use one of them, if
there's a real problem.

			_Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
			The Herd of Kittens

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote:

> Unless there is objection, I'm going to close the following bug reports:
> 
> #797   /etc/termcap console keydefs for function keys
> #836   Possible bugs in termcap system
> #1045  tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd)
> #1803  /etc/termcap linux definition incomplete

The same bugs might be in the terminfo database though.  Could you
check if they still exist?  If so, refile them to terminfo.


Guy

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I see the problem now - thanks.

I'm not on the developers' list, so I'll miss any responses that aren't
cc'd.

I believe procmail, when configured as the "Mlocal" delivery agent, will
handle improperly owned files at delivery time.  I don't recall if it
renames the prior file, or chowns it - but things end up working out
nicely.

We use procmail as the local delivery agent on all the mail hubs we set
up these days (sun, sgi, dec).  It's been working nicely.

Nice side effect: users don't need gibberish in their .forward's to use
.procmailrc's, if you set procmail up as the local delivery agent.

Brian C. White wrote:
> 
> > > Second, do _not_ change the permissions of /var/spool/mail.  The permissions
> > > that Netscape suggests introduce a small security hole where one user could
> > > potentially gain complete access to another's mail.  (It's small, but true.)
> > > The permissions in the Debian system are correct.
> >
> > What is the nature of this hole?
> 
> The problem happens like this...
> 
>  - root adds world write permissions to /var/spool/mail
>  - cracker creates file /var/spool/mail/fred with public read/write
>  - new user "fred" is created
>  - cracker and fred (and rest of the world) can read/write fred's mail.
> 
> Networks and NIS could create users on machines where the user doesn't
> actually have a home directory, but to which mail could be specifically
> directed, thus giving the hacker a free and largely untraceable mail
> account.
> 
> There is the additional problem that anyone could also create all
> the files and directories they want under /var/spool/mail.
> 
> > I've run into *ix variants that don't need 1777 mail spools before, but
> > I've never heard of it being a security hole to make their spool 1777.
> >
> > Debian uses sendmail V8, no?  Is it using an oddball delivery agent or
> > something?
> 
> This would affect all systems as far as I can tell.
> 
>                                         Brian
>                                ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thanks to a pointer from Carlos Carvalho I have a version 1.1.1 Octave
that runs as ELF. I disabled dld usage and now it seems to work fine!

Date: 07 Jun 96 22:06 UT
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Source: octave
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Binary:  octave
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Description: 
 octave: MATLAB-like interactive language for numerical computations.
Changes: removed dld from the package. It does not support ELF.
Files:
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I'd be most appreaciative if people who maintain packages that could be
called to view/edit/create mail mime extensions could take a quick look
at the mime-support-2.0beta package that should be in project/experimental
by now.  If it's not and would like to test it, let me know and I'll
send it to you.

I plan to add this to the new "unstable" distribution when it becomes
available at the end of next week and it would be nice to have any major
design changes before then so as not to hurt upgrading from one version
to another.

After installing the package, details can be found in the "install-mime"
man page and in /usr/doc/mime-install.HOWTO.gz.

Thanks!

                                        Brian
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Guy Maor said:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote:
> > Unless there is objection, I'm going to close the following bug reports:
> > 
> > #797   /etc/termcap console keydefs for function keys
> > #836   Possible bugs in termcap system
> > #1045  tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd)
> > #1803  /etc/termcap linux definition incomplete
> 
> The same bugs might be in the terminfo database though.  Could you
> check if they still exist?  If so, refile them to terminfo.

I checked. None of the bugs appear to be present with terminfo/ncurses. I've
cleared them all.

-- 
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I linked electric fence into "dialog" and fixed the first 6 or 7
segmentation faults I saw, made it abort if it failed to allocate a
window rather than just segmentation faulting, and hacked the auto-size
routine to not return a too-big window.

"dialog-0.9a" is a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack. Really nasty.
We need something better.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hi - 

I have been trying to compile Python 1.3, but it hangs up at the
configure stage, where it says that it can't find -ltermcap or
-ltermlib. In the configure script, it seems to be looking for
a "lib$termcap.a" file. My Debian setup had no termcap file (maybe
I ommitted a package?), but I got one and placed it in the /etc
directory. However, this made no difference. I have seen termcap
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Does anyone know what the configure script is looking for?

Thanks,

Bill

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On Sat, 8 Jun 1996 wbart3@ktb.net wrote:

> I have been trying to compile Python 1.3, but it hangs up at the
> configure stage, where it says that it can't find -ltermcap or
> -ltermlib.

Have it link with -lncurses instead of -ltermcap -ltermlib.


Guy

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>>>>> Guy Maor writes:

>>On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:
[...]
>> I know that open has been withdrawn.  I'll remove it to a new
>> `obsolete' directory (there didn't seem to be one when I looked
>> yesterday) when nomis (the NFS server) is back.  Is vlock still
>> current ?

> /home/Debian/ftp/private/project/obsolete.

> Note that this dir is not available from anon ftp.  That's good,
> right?  I don't know about vlock.

vlock will be merged with kbd AFTER the release of Debian 1.1.

Dominik

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>>>>> Marek Michalkiewicz writes:

> There is a new upstream version, vlock-0.9, which contains patches I
> sent to the author.  It has some bug fixes, actually works (wow!)
> and supports shadow passwords better (just compile with -DSHADOW_PWD
> and install it setuid root - and it should work with both shadow and
> non-shadow passwords; it drops root privileges as soon as possible).

> I think we should upgrade vlock to the current upstream version.  If
> no one else does it, I might do it myself, it's a small package.

I will upgrade vlock and merge it with kbd. But i think we are currently
in a pre-release codefreeze, aren't we?

BTW. Shall i rename kbd, because of the extend of changes made to the
package?  I am not sure. In any case i will try to contact the upstream
maintainer to see if he will accept our changes.

Later,
  Dominik

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>>>>> "Darren/Torin/Who Ever " writes:

> No.  Weblint is for linting HTML.  I can see a case for either net
> or text with a small preference for net.  It's not really a
> development tool anymore than say an editor is.

Since HTML is only a DTD of SGML and not necessarily used in a
networking environment, it should go to section text. Consider it a
sort of sophisticated spell checker ... ;-)

Dominik

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Michael Alan Dorman writes:
>In message <m0uRkGa-000BjmC@elo.ods.com>, David Engel writes:
>>Which renaming?  If you mean adding 'ncurses' to the end of every
>>filename, as in clear.3ncurses, I'll take a stab at it.
>
>Well, you see, we're doing more than that.  We're going from
>curs_clear.3x, which should already be pretty unique, to
>clear.3ncurses.

Isn't it a good thing that you can say man <function name> and get the
right man page, rather than having to say man curs_<function name>,
though?

- Richard

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Good morning folks!

This is the first upload of unarj, an un-archiver for the famous ARJ
format archives that are quite popular in DOS-land.

-- Begin Changes --

Date: 8 Jun 96 09:30:57 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Binary: unarj
Source: unarj
Architecture: source i386
Version: 2.41a-1
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@namib.north.de>
Description: Standard unarj un-archiver
  The famous arj un-archiver, known from DOS.  When mixing DOS and Unix
  you might need it.  (Especially for fido <--> rfc conversions.)
Priority: Routine
Files:
 64ba2223e836f68376d51fcfe34aeaec 25440 misc - unarj-2.41a-1.tar.gz
 08692ef8bb2a5932df411f7775984f7c 3012 misc - unarj-2.41a-1.diff.gz
 efe41c07512bf7b5ae9a3e70698eef37 10446 misc - unarj-2.41a-1.i386.deb
Changes:
 * First Debian package
 * Wrote manual page

-- End Changes --

All the best,

	Joey

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Good morning folks,

I'll upload this package tonight.  This is the first upload of lha,
an un-archiver for the famous lzh archives that are pretty popular
in obsoleted DOS-land.

-- Begin Changes --

Date: 8 Jun 96 10:26:42 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Binary: lha
Source: lha
Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.00-1
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@namib.north.de>
Description: lzh un-archiver
  The famous lzh un-archiver, known from DOS.  When mixing DOS and Unix
  you might need it.  (Especially for fido <--> rfc conversions.)
Priority: Routine
Files:
 6770f78776d353b6f543e8ffee507a5a 57490 non-free - lha-1.00-1.tar.gz
 d78a0bb94bfab9e9753ce7bf774cd978 2520 non-free - lha-1.00-1.diff.gz
 f85dc31496d0e8ca97970846a155b8c3 24406 non-free - lha-1.00-1.i386.deb
Changes:
 * First Debian package
 * Wrote manual page

-- End Changes --

This package has to go into the non-free section because I can't read
the documentation and copyright.  It's in Japanese. *sigh*

I'm trying to get clarification from the author, so we might move this
package into the misc section later.

Have a pleasant weekend,

	Joey

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Good morning folks!

This is the first upload of zoo, an archiver for the zoo archives.
These are sometimes used in poor DOS-/FIDO-land.

-- Begin Changes --

Date: 8 Jun 96 11:53:53 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Binary: zoo
Source: zoo
Architecture: source i386
Version: 2.10-1
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@namib.north.de>
Description: zoo archiver
 This is version 2.1 of the zoo archiver.  It includes improved
 compression, better online help, faster uncompression, and other
 features that are described in the accompanying manual.
Priority: Routine
Files:
 791203e8ead49f61e1c4f2bf4d218ff0 216619 misc - zoo-2.10-1.tar.gz
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 1c4372e118f14e7bafbc87d05704799f 52912 misc - zoo-2.10-1.i386.deb
Changes:
 * First Debian package

-- End Changes --

Have a pleasant weekend,

	Joey

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> Good morning folks!
> 
> This is the first upload of unarj, an un-archiver for the famous ARJ
> format archives that are quite popular in DOS-land.

There is already a debian unarj package and I'm the maintainer of it -
what seems to be the problem here?`

...Karl
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Hi folks,

U-Mainz will soon move its FTP area into AFS, such making it possible
to access the entire Debian distribution via AFS.  With a local
AFS-NFS translator (or with licensed AFS support) you will be capable
of installing directly from our FTP-Server which is currently about 36
hrs behind master.

Of course you will only want to use that option if you have contact to
us over a fast link (we have 2 and 34 Mb/s links), but i thought it
might be interesting for some of you ..

Later,
  Dominik

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This upload fixes bug#3210.

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Date: 08 Jun 96 12:14 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Urgent
Maintainer: Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Uni-Mainz.DE>
Source: kbd
Version: 0.91-2
Binary:  kbd
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 kbd: Linux console font and keytable utilities.
Changes:
 * Fixed kbdconfig script: It does now configure the package.
 * Moved (machine-local) videomodes directory to /etc/kbd
 * Fixed postinst script to wait for keypress before executing kbdconfig.
Files:
 e209d9757529d5ed5e2df87062c96e5a  275496  base  -  kbd-0.91-2.tar.gz
 a6a0ecd6bd78357b3f7fcd9a9247f227  22533  base  -  kbd-0.91-2.diff.gz
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Have a nice weekend,
  Dominik

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Good day folks!

}This is the first upload of unarj, an un-archiver for the famous ARJ
}format archives that are quite popular in DOS-land.

No, this is not the first upload, Karl Ferguson has already done
this.  I seem to be blind.

Therefore I'll nuke those files in my queue, so don't wait for them,
take Karls release.

All the best,

	Joey
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I just upgraded two machines from the latest stuff on one of the
mirrors, and after I rebooted them (they were due), afterward both
lost all net connectivity.  After remembering that
/etc/init.d/networks was a likely culprit, I took a peek and noticed
that although loopback setup had been fixed 127.0.0.1->127.0.0.0
(good), all the info in the second section of the file had been
deleted.  The second section's where the ethernet card, etc. is
set up.

This happened on both machines.  I tried to find out which package did
this (for a bug report), but a "dpkg -S networks" turned up empty.  I
figured it's either base, netbase, or netstd.  (I guess the bug lists
are down right now anyway...)

Anyone else notice this?

--
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Date: 10 Jun 96 15:05 UT
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Maintainer: Helmut Geyer <Helmut.Geyer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de>
Source: xxgdb
Version: 1.12-3
Binary:  xxgdb
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 xxgdb: A X interface to gdb
Changes: 
 changes from revision 2 to revision 3:
 . Debian control files updated to latest dpkg revision
 . small bugfixes to xxgdb when running with separate I/O window
 . added buttons for using the I/O window
 . included xxgdbiowin in the debian package.
Files:
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Currently, netscape is under the standard unstable binary release.

The Debian release of netscape should be under non-free, even though
it does not actually include netscape itself.  It requires netscape in
order to install correctly.  Since netscape used to under under
non-free, I suspect that this change is a mistake in the package
installation.

kevin
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I'm probably going to be dropping off the net around mid July
for at least a month, and perhaps longer.  I think it's better
that I put my packages up for adoption now than to have a big
group of packages abruptly become orphans when I disappear.

These are all in pretty good shape at present.  I don't think
I have outstanding bugs against any of them.

#    bc-1.03
#    cvs-1.8.1
#    diff-2.7
#    ed-0.2
#    file-3.19
#    indent-1.9.1
#    jgraph-83
#    patch-2.1
#    sharutils-4.2
#    symlinks-1.0
# need ncurses for these
#    ae-962
#    beav-140
#    less-290
#    git-4.3.9
#    ee-126.1.89
#    elvis-2.0
# need elf X11
#    xasteroids-5.0
# not elf-ized yet
#    kermit-190
# not uploaded yet
#    kermit-192 (beta)

If anyone would like to take any of these over, please let me know.

mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)


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Marek Michalkiewicz writes ("Fast start-stop-daemon in C"):
> Some time ago I wrote a faster C replacement for the start-stop-daemon
> perl script.  I use it for some time now (the most recent changes were
> just a nicer help screen; the code is quite stable).
> 
> This makes the system boot faster (especially on low end machines),

I'd be very happy to include this in the dpkg source tree, but after
the 1.1 release.  Can you remind me then ?

> and important system startup scripts no longer depend on another big
> package (perl).  Maybe in the future we can get to the point where
> a minimal system will work without perl installed at all (packages
> which need it in {pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts would depend on perl).

Hmm, this would be quite a big policy change (and would require a lot
of Pre-Depends).  Remember that install-info and many other programs
are written in Perl.

> The only problem known so far to me is that I have to reinstall this
> program after every dpkg upgrade which overwrites it with that nice
> slooow perl script :-).

Try using dpkg-divert.

> Just compile this program and drop the binary in /usr/sbin instead
> of the original /usr/sbin/start-stop-daemon perl script (make a copy
> of it first, just in case).  See below for source code.  I placed it
> in the public domain, but if it has to be GPL-ed to be included in
> dpkg, just tell me.  Including it in dpkg would close Bug#1670.

When I include it in dpkg I shall probably GPL it, if that's OK with
you.

> I am posting it here so that it can be tested by more people than
> just me.  Bugs are unlikely though.

One thing you could do that would make it much nicer for me to include
in the dpkg source tree would be to have it use
dpkg/dselect/dpkg-deb/dpkg-split/&c's standard common argument
parsing, error handling, malloc wrapper, &c scheme.  You'll find that
looking in the dpkg source tree's lib and include directories, and
using dpkg-split (say) as an example, ought to be quite enough
information anyway.

If I include your code it'll be on those terms anyway, and it'll be
much faster if I don't have to do the work myself :-).

Thanks,
Ian.

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Something has gone wrong with the changeover to the new bug system;
the switchover of the aliases at Pixar hasn't worked - I'm not seeing
messages sent to debian-bugs@pixar.

I don't know yet whether these messages are being lost or simply
delayed or misrouted into some inappropriate postmaster mailbox.

Please try to avoid sending any mail to the bug system for the moment.

Sorry,
Ian.

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I know they are almost useless but I hate the idea of having programs on my
system that fail to do what they should. So I took some minutes to
recompile dlltools as crossassembler ...

Now they work again on an ELF system.

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Ian Jackson:
> I'd be very happy to include this in the dpkg source tree, but after
> the 1.1 release.  Can you remind me then ?

OK.

> One thing you could do that would make it much nicer for me to include
> in the dpkg source tree would be to have it use
> dpkg/dselect/dpkg-deb/dpkg-split/&c's standard common argument

We'll see.  Miquel said something about moving start-stop-daemon
to the sysvinit package (looks reasonable to me, as it is run from
the init scripts).  In this case it would be a standalone program
as it is now.

Marek

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Miquel van Smoorenburg writes ("Re: sysvinit vs. new powerd..."):
...
> The powerd control file would then have something like:
> 
> Package: foo-powerd
> Provides: powerd
> Depends: sysvinit (>= 2.63-1)
> 
> This would work since sysvinit is an essential package and already installed
> anyway. The only thing that would happen if a seperate powerd package is
> installed that dpkg forces one to upgrade sysvinit as well, which is
> exactly what we want. Right?

No, this won't work.  `Depends' lines don't take effect until the
package has already been unpacked, and in any case you don't want a
dependency on a later version.  There's no reason why someone with an
earlier version can't just have the old files overwritten, right ?

Michael Alan Dorman writes ("Re: sysvinit vs. new powerd... "):
...
> Assuming that 2.62 is the version that has been divested of powerd,
> this should only require a conflicts with sysvinit (<=2.61) to work
> right, no?

No, this is worse.  It will break upgrades.

If all you want is for powerd to be able to take over some files from
sysvinit then you can say `Replaces: sysvinit (<=2.61)'.  This will
silence dpkg's moans about file overwriting, and when sysvinit is
upgraded to the version without the files all will still be well.

Ian.

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Dominik Kubla writes ("Re: Overrides confusions "):
...
> I will upgrade vlock and merge it with kbd. But i think we are currently
> in a pre-release codefreeze, aren't we?

Yes.

> BTW. Shall i rename kbd, because of the extend of changes made to the
> package?  I am not sure. In any case i will try to contact the upstream
> maintainer to see if he will accept our changes.

I don't know whether you want to rename it, but don't do it now :-).

Ian.

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Date: 10 Jun 96 14:16 UT
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Source: gettext
Version: 0.10-1
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Description: 
 gettext: Internationalization utitilities,
 -  Interesting for authors or maintainers of other packages or programs
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 -  should also install GNU gettext because some other GNU packages will
 -  use the gettext program included in this package to internationalize
 -  the messages given by shell scripts.
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        * Initial debian release
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cgi-modules	extra		net
adjtimex	optional	admin
cfingerd	extra		net
cflow		optional	devel
dejagnu		extra		devel
gnugo		optional	games
gnushogi	optional	games
leave		extra		misc
lshell		extra		admin
perforate	extra		misc
qpopper		extra		net
termcap-compat	extra		misc
xshogi		optional	games

Several of these packages were listed as `standard', particularly a
couple (it seemed to me) pretty obscure ones.  I've made these
`optional' or `extra'.

Ian.

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Date: 10 Jun 96 14:16 UT
Format: 1.5_
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Erick Branderhorst <branderh@debian.org>
Source: textutils
Version: 1.17-2
Binary:  textutils
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
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Changes: 
 Wed Jun  5 11:39:00 1996  Erick Branderhorst  <branderh@debian.org>
 .
        * debian.control: changed maintainer
        * debian.rules: package and version automatically from configure.in
        * configure.in: added nl as language
        * debian.rules (binary): remove md5sum (it is in dpkg)
        * debian.rules (binary): more compatible with mainstream
        * po/nl.po: added dutch language support, should go to mainstream
        * debian.rules (binary): don't autoremove $(p)-$(v).orig
        * debian.rules (binary): sed debian.control & dpkg-name
        * debian.control: architecture version section & priority
        * debian.README: who where what
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>>Well, you see, we're doing more than that.  We're going from
>>curs_clear.3x, which should already be pretty unique, to
>>clear.3ncurses.
>Isn't it a good thing that you can say man <function name> and get the
>right man page, rather than having to say man curs_<function name>,
>though?

Well, yes, I would tend to think it is.  I wish it didn't involve
hacking all the man files as well.

I guess what I'm really asking is why are we doing it when no one else
is.  Is everyone else able to just type `man function name`, or are we
just the only ones that decided this was all too much typing?  Is this
a deficiency in man_db, or, to put it in a more positive light, is
this a tradeoff we make in return for the efficiency of man using db
files?

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I wrote:
> This is a bugfix release only; most of the bugs are not particularly
> serious, but many of them are annoying.  It also contains a dpkg-name
> which is up to date with the latest .deb filename convention and
> Kim-Minh Kaplan's cleanup-info script.

There is a nasty bug in 1.2.4, and in any case I sent the release
announcement to the wrong list (and the lists are dead anyway).

I've removed 1.2.4 from my upload queue.  1.2.5 is building now.

Ian.

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Can someone fill me in on why debian-utils was renamed to
debianutils ?

How long ago did this happen ?  Ought it to be undone ?

Ian.

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Why not use the pre-compiled python, anyway?

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This is a bugfix release only; most of the bugs are not particularly
serious, but many of them are annoying.  It also contains a dpkg-name
which is up to date with the latest .deb filename convention and
Kim-Minh Kaplan's cleanup-info script.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:31:35 +0100
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Changes:
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  * New dpkg-name from Erick (<pkg>_<version>_<arch>.deb convention).
  * Disappeared packages can't own conffiles any more !  (Bug#3214.)
  * install-info creates Miscellaneous sections with a newline
    following the heading.  (Bug#3218.)
  * cleanup-info script installed in /usr/sbin; called as appropriate
    by postinst.  Thanks to Kim-Minh Kaplan.  (Bug#3125.)
  * Allow superseded Essential packages to be purged after they've
    been removed (clear the Essential flag on removal, and ignore it
    on packages that are in stat_configfiles).

  * dselect disk methods understand `y' as well as `yes' for using
    development tree.
  * dselect doesn't make packages appear as `new' again if update
    of available packages fails.
  * dselect places method selection cursor over option last selected.

  * dpkg-scanpackages doesn't die when repeated packages are found.
  * dpkg-scanpackages allows many old maintainers (`//'-separated).

  * `Version' field is now mandatory (some operations already
    wouldn't work right anyway if it was't there).

  * update-rc.d(8) now says you must remove the script.  (Bug#3215.)
  * dpkg --force-help says that --force-overwrite is on by default.
  * dpkg-deb manpage rewritten.
  * debian.README (= /usr/doc/copyright/dpkg) edited slightly.

  * Some database parsing grunge removed (pdb_preferversion, &c).
  * Source tree doc/sgml contains some embryonic manuals.
  * Leftover files in lib directory in source tree deleted.

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Source: ghostview
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Matthew Swift writes ("Bug#3243: recommendations should not be requirements in dselect"):
> Package: dpkg
> Version: 1.2.0elf
> 
> When package A recommends package B, dselect should nevertheless
> permit you to select package A without selecting package B.

It does.  Please read the help screens for dselect.

> Try selecting auctex (version 9.3c-2).  A bevy of other latex-related
> packages will be suggested for you by deselect because they are
> recommended by auctex (and transitively).  You can either accept their
> selection, or back out -- but in the latter case, auctex remains
> unselected.

No, you can also use shift-D shift-Q or various other incantations to
get what you wanted.

I know that there is a lack of manual here.

> Also, try installing at (version 2.9a-11) without installing mailx.
> The recommends line says:
>   Recommends: smail | sendmail | mail-trasfer-agent, mailx
> I have smail installed, but nevertheless dselect forces me to select
> mailx also.

This is a not a bug; at really does need mailx.

I'm closing this bug report.

Ian.

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Richard Kettlewell writes ("Re: why are we renaming ncurses man pages? "):
...
> Isn't it a good thing that you can say man <function name> and get the
> right man page, rather than having to say man curs_<function name>,
> though?

Indeed, that's why this is done.  It's also done because curs_func(3x)
is (a) ugly and (b) completely out of keeping with our nice clean
manpage scheme.

ncurses can't do it this way in the upstream version because they have
to support people whose manual programs aren't as good as ours.

Is it really too hard to sed the manpages ?

Ian.

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Martin Schulze writes ("Remarks on most recent installation"):
...
> d) It is difficult to choose which libreadline on should install,
>    becaus the package `libreadline2-dev' is too long for dselect and
>    will be cut to `libreadline2'
> 
> e) The same happenes with dpkg:
> 
>    namib!joey:/tmp> dpkg -l |grep libread
>    ii  libreadline2    2.0-15         GNU readline and history libraries, runtime
>    ii  libreadline2-de 2.0-15         GNU readline and history libraries. Developm

I'd be interested in suggestions for how to deal with this in dselect
and dpkg, without disturbing the general list structure &c too much.

...
> h) I had problems with the installation via NFS because the scripts
>    forgot to put the $mountpoint in front of the relative path to
>    access the binary directories.

Can you tell me which dpkg you were using ?  A transcript of the
broken behaviour would be very useful too.

Thanks,
Ian.

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On second thoughts, it seems to me that I might as well announce the
new bug system open for business, and not wait for the Pixar aliases
to work correctly.

So, please use the following addresses instead:

Send new bug reports to submit@bugs.debian.org.  If you need a copy
sent anywhere (other than to the package maintainer, who'll get one
automatically) use X-Debian-CC.  DO NOT USE CC.

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the number of the bug report.  (You can also send it to submit@bugs
with `Bug#<nnnn>:' at the start of the Subject.)

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<nnnn>-submitter (you won't get an ack for this).  (You can also use
just submitter@bugs, if you provide the bug number in the Subject.)

To send mail to just the maintainer of a particular package send to
maintonly@bugs (for a new report - make sure you include a correct
Package line) or <nnnn>-maintonly@bugs (for an existing report; or you
can use the old Subject keying mechanism.).

To have your messages filed in the bug system but not sent anywhere
send to quiet@bugs (for a new report) or <nnnn>-quiet (for a followup;
or you can use the old Subject keying mechanism.).

None of these messages will be processed (and you will not get any
acks) until the situation at Pixar is sorted out.  Your messages will
sit in a queue on master.

Queries and problem reports about the operation of the system should
be sent to owner@bugs.debian.org.  These go direct, rather than being
queued, so this will start to work right straight away.

Ian.

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Hi,

misc/mc-3.2.1-1 gpm dependency should be changed from "suggests" to "depends"
as it is dynamically linked. mc will not work without gpm.

/sjm@danosi.dk
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sjm@danosi.dk                              Lautrupbjerg 5
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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Erick Branderhorst wrote:

>  29767e79788ee25f75d167d579e85773  1626  tex  -  dvi2tty-5.1-6.changes

Would everyone please stop doing this?  Surprise, surprise, the md5sums
aren't going to match.


Guy

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Bruce Perens writes ("Re:  Upgrade notes..."):
> From: Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
> > There have been a number of requests for upgrade notes. I have been
> > pointing these people to my machine for my notes and upgrade script. 
> > Is there any reason that I should not put these files into debian/upgrade?
> > I have uploaded them to my home directory on master, so if you give the go
> > ahead, I can move them into debian/upgrade from there. I suspect a posting
> > to debian-announce would then be in order, as well as some kind of regular
> > posting to debian-user in response to those users who still ask.
> > Does this sound ok to you?
> 
> I think it would be fine to move them into unstable/upgrade-i386 .

Please put my upgrade instructions in the same directory, at least as
prominently.  There should be no problems with them, that I know of at
the moment, though they do require an up-to-date Packages file.

These instructions are:

1. Install by hand the latest version of the a.out dpkg from the
upgrades directory, eg `dpkg --install dpkg-1.2.4.deb'.

2. Run dselect.  Go through Access/Update/Select/Install/Remove in
order, using the unstable tree.  (This will get them the latest ELF
dpkg.)

I know that they're very short, but that's the whole point of having a
fancy package management system and a powerful front-end like dselect.

NOTE: when we release 1.1 and make `stable' point to it you'll have to
tell people to make dselect use `stable' rather than `unstable', of
course.

Ian.

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Dale Scheetz writes ("Re: new syslogd"):
...
> Package: syslogd
> Essential: yes
> Status: install ok config-files
...
> It seems, from the above, that dpkg thinks that the conf-files for syslogd
> are still installed?

Yes, and the problem with this is ... ?

Ian.

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Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Re: new syslogd"):
...
> What we have here is the rather odd situation of two conflicting packages
> installed side by side.

No, what we have is one package which has been removed, with only old
configuration remaining, and one package which has been installed.

Ian.

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Yves Arrouye writes ("gawk as essential..."):
> Since some sensible alternatives to gawk are allowed, why is it marked as
> essential? If I want to install mawk or another nawk, I ought to be able
> to remove gawk since I don't really want to have both installed.
> 
> I think it would be nice to have gawk and mawk (and any other nawk) providing
> a virtual package nawk (if this is not already done, but it's not the case
> on my system with gawk_3.0.0-2 and mawk_1.2.2-1, nor does my (maybe outdated)
> virtual packages list mention an nawk package), and other packages would
> depend on nawk when needed (or on a really specific gawk/mawk if they do
> have special features needed).
> 
> Is gawk really essential, or can it be replaced by mawk for all its
> actual uses?

This is a good point.

If we want to make gawk nonessential in favour of mawk perhaps, we
should make sure that the base package depends on `awk' or `nawk' or
whatever the virtual package name is.

Then dselect/dpkg/&c will DTRT.

Ian.

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Date: 10 Jun 96 14:14 UT
Format: 1.5_
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Erick Branderhorst <branderh@debian.org>
Source: dvi2tty
Version: 5.1-6
Binary:  dvi2tty
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 dvi2tty: Previewing dvi-files on text-only devices.
 -  If no options are passed output will be send to the pager defined in
 -  PAGER if specified. If no pager specified the output will go to pager.
Changes: 
 Mon Jun 10 12:54:08 1996  Erick Branderhorst  <branderh@debian.org>
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        * debian.rules (binary): dpkg-name
        * debian.rules (binary): gzip manpages
        * applied dvi2tty.patch
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Date: 11 Jun 96 13:47 UT
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Source: gettext
Version: 0.10.16-1
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Changes: 
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Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> said:

Yves Arrouye writes ("gawk as essential..."):
>> Since some sensible alternatives to gawk are allowed, why is it marked as
>> essential? If I want to install mawk or another nawk, I ought to be able
>> to remove gawk since I don't really want to have both installed.
>[...]
> If we want to make gawk nonessential in favour of mawk perhaps, we
> should make sure that the base package depends on `awk' or `nawk' or
> whatever the virtual package name is.

Would we be making gawk nonessential in favor of mawk, or just making
gawk nonessential (removable)?  If it's made removable, any packages
needing awk will, of course, need to depend on something which provides
it.  Presuming that mawk is a fully compatable awk-alike (I've never used
it), both the gawk and mawk (and any other packages needing awk) will
need a Depends field added to their control files.  It'd probably be
best for all awk-alike packages to "Provides: awk" in their control
files, and for dependent packages to "Depends: awk".

When I handed off the dchanges package it needed gawk, but I don't
think there was a Depends field in the control file.  I never tried
dchanges with mawk, but I seem to recall that it had problems with
gawk if it was invoked as "awk" instead of "gawk".

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 Package      Ref   Subject

bcwhite@pobox.com (Brian C. White) (1 bugs):
 gnats        3053  gnats: typo in postinst omits install-info

Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.north.de> (1 bugs):
 gpm          2874  gpm will not work if the system is setup for a serial conso

Simon Shapiro <shimon@i-Connect.Net> (1 bugs):
 rc           3206  rc terminates on CTRL-C

Gordon Russell <gor@dcs.napier.ac.uk> (1 bugs):
 setserial    2892  setserial marked as Essential when it isn't

Wendal Catt <wendal@southwind.net> (1 bugs):
 procmail     3197  wrong uid/gid in /usr/doc/procmail

Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu> (1 bugs):
 login        3227  login refuses, and then allows, root login on tty?

Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@wi.leidenuniv.nl> (1 bugs):
 strace       2177  "strace -ff -o file dpkg --install foo.deb" causes dpkg to 

Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us> (1 bugs):
 autoconf     3172  Autoconf does not provide config.guess, config.sub etc.

Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com> (1 bugs):
 findutils    1239  /etc/cron.daily/find: updatedb doesn't exclude cdrom and ot

mrn20@cam.ac.uk (Michael R. Nonweiler) (1 bugs):
 ipx          2913  ipx bootup scripts are broken

adfernan@cnd.mcgill.ca (Andrew D. Fernandes) (1 bugs):
 dlltools     2359  dlltools example

Marcel Riedi <riedi@tik.ee.ethz.ch> (1 bugs):
 rsynth       2206  Description

Erick Branderhorst <branderhorst@heel.fgg.eur.nl> (1 bugs):
 info          889  Info 3.1-6

Bill Mitchell <mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com> (1 bugs):
 cvs          3178  cvs examples in wrong location, and contain wrong paths...

Brian White <bcwhite@pobox.com> (1 bugs):
 mime-suppo   1930  metamail wants xloadimage

Peter Tobias <tobias@et-inf.fho-emden.de> (1 bugs):
 netbase      3150  inetd started too soon

Erick Branderhorst <branderh@debian.org> (1 bugs):
 mathpad      2231  mathpad problems

Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> (2 bugs):
 xterm-colo   2353  postrm script broken
 xterm-colo   2710  colour xterm has problems when resizing

Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (2 bugs):
 ghostview    1451  `ghostviewR6' conflict with ghostview &c
 ghostview    2200  Description

Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com> (2 bugs):
 most         2205  Description
 most         3158  most differs from man page

krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) (2 bugs):
 gcl          2865  gcl's Tk support is broken
 tkdiff       3044  tkdiff -- calls wrong "wish" program

Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk> (2 bugs):
 groff        2233  groff-1.09-4
 groff        2970  soelim [in groff] is confused by .so in macros definitions

jimr@simons-rock.edu (Robinson, Jim) (2 bugs):
 ifrench      1233  Bad french.hash file in ifrench.deb
 ifrench      2605  #1233,#1793 (ifrench doesn't work...)

Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.eas.asu.edu> (2 bugs):
 auto-pgp     2211  Description
 auto-pgp     3216  auto-pgp doesn't remove info entry when removed

Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org> (2 bugs):
 manpages     2861  glob(3) references glob(7); the latter doesn't exist
 manpages     3165  fcntl(2) references nonexistent man pages

Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.uk> (2 bugs):
 xcompat      3246  Cant load library libXt.so.6
 xcontrib     1981  xman fails to format ascii(7) correctly

Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.edu> (2 bugs):
 auctex       3217  auctex postrm has bad call to install-info
 pbmplus      3126  pbmplus postinst

Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> (2 bugs):
 (debian-bu   2296  debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian version
 (debian-bu   2966  bugs2ftp is broken

Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.de> (2 bugs):
 lsof         3065  lsof looks for /System.map
 vgrind       2977  vgrind: name clash causes coredump (fix included)

Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@ed.ac.uk> (2 bugs):
 ispell       2425  ispell thinks `formated' is correct
 ispell       3196  ispell symlinks broken

debian-devel@pixar.com (2 bugs):
 (general)    2481  /sbin/ldconfig in scripts
 (general)    2717  conffiles in /usr

Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at> (2 bugs):
 xarchie       887  xarchie barfs when ftp closes unexpectedly
 xarchie      1275  xarchie clumsy with 2-button mouse

dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor) (3 bugs):
 cdtool       2450  `cdir' prints out huge chunks of /etc/passwd !
 cdtool       2923  CD-ROM device /dev/hdc permissions
 xfig         3228  upgrading xfig clobbers app defaults link

Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org> (3 bugs):
 adduser      1711  adduser replaces NIS entries in /etc/passwd
 adduser      2309  Multiple root accounts
 adduser? m   1708  `passwd' not interruptible when invoked by `adduser'

D.J. Gregor <dgregor@coil.com> (3 bugs):
 nas          1747  nas: no manpages for au available
 nas          3107  nas postinst could use a warning
 xwpe         2486  Ghost packages

joost witteveen <joostje@master.debian.org> (3 bugs):
 screen       3201  screen ^a:exec !  doesn't clear TIOCPKT on filtered pty
 xosview      2305  xosview doesn't work?
 xosview      2412  xosview can't do -net nor -cua0

Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> (3 bugs):
 cern-httpd   1767  cern-httpd installation
 cern-httpd   2268  stale documentation links
 cern-httpd   3124  CERN httpd sends useless cron mail

dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. Gregor) (3 bugs):
 workbone     1381  workbone postinst fails
 workbone     1973  workbone postinst needs rewording
 workbone     1984  dpkg won't install cdtool

Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.micro.umn.edu> (3 bugs):
 gopher-cli   1851  gopher-client-2.1.1 has quotes around version and revision 
 gopherd      1717  gopherd recommends freeWAIS - nonexistent package
 gopherd      1718  gopherd version has spurious quotes

Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> (3 bugs):
 (base)       3146  1.1 installation: ae doesn't work
 (bootdisk)   2937  Copyright message function key incorrect
 (bootdisk)   3185  (no subject)

awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.P. Guy) (3 bugs):
 dchanges     3101  dchanges warnings
 dchanges     3104  binary only packages upload broken
 dchanges     3237  dchanges is not y/-/_/ package-name aware

Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian.org> (3 bugs):
 bsdmainuti   3085  bsdmainutils uses inappropriate `Conflicts bsdutils (<<...)
 bsdmainuti   3219  col(1) does not pass 8-bit characters
 bsdutils      988  `script' is insecure, and general tty insecurity

Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> (3 bugs):
 octave       3144  octave fails to dynamically load functions
 pine         2365  Pine erases message before I can read it
 pine         2367  Pine supplies PATH line when posting news

Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu> (4 bugs):
 grep         2047  grep segfaults when abused
 lxtools      3096  lxtools: user error (misuse of -r and filename) gives cored
 taper        2891  taper documentation is missing
 taper        3115  taper recommends ftape

gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R. Thomas) (4 bugs):
 dld          1488  dld control file dsccription problem
 dld          2209  Description
 dld          2758  dld: missing source file
 hdparm       2197  hdparm -c switch

Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org> (4 bugs):
 bind         2530  bind locks up system
 bind         2819  named loses (in an easily fixed way) on 1.2.13 kernels
 mount        2304  umount calls gethostbyname() at consequence
 sendmail     3151  Sendmail runs too late

Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com> (4 bugs):
 guile        3052  guile is missing slib.info.gz
 guile        3223  guile installs entry for slib, but no info file
 netatalk     2542  No default config files?
 netatalk     2690  netatalk: a few small problems

(orphan) (5 bugs):
 trn           825  trn warning messages corrupt thread selector display
 trn          1845  dead.letter and dead.article are world readable
 trn          2298  trn bug with shell escaping
 trn          2783  trn needs to provide virtual package news-reader
 trn          3089  trn -- needs to depend on "inews" or "inewsinn"

Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wisc.edu> (5 bugs):
 elm          2557  add to elm manpage
 elm          2562  elm manpage paths incorrect
 elm          2789  elm doesn't show rest of pgp-signed message
 elm          2991  nfrm is not installed...
 elm          3042  Elm produces bogus Content-Type header for PGP signed stuff

Richard Kettlewell <richard@elmail.co.uk> (5 bugs):
 majordomo    1881  Majordomo UID wrong?
 svgalib      2311  svgalib has undocumented setuid program in /usr/doc/example
 svgalib1     2379  svgalib postinst broken
 svgalib1     2455  can't install svgalib1-1.28-5
 svgalib1     2876  svgalib will not work in a setup with serial console

Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca> (6 bugs):
 mailx        2009  mailx ignores ^C at Subject prompt
 mailx        2010  mailx misses VM-generated From_ lines
 mailx        2284  mailx ^C at Cc: prompt sends mail !
 mailx        2356  mailx -- problems with TMPDIR symlink
 mailx        2733  /usr/bin/mail leaves lock files when disk full
 mailx        2971  mailx doesn't quit on two successive C-c

Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de> (6 bugs):
 genscript    3169  dvipsk doesn't use /etc/papersize
 linuxdoc-s   3180  linuxdoc-sgml semantics and formatting problems
 rcs          2302  RCS - problems with msdos filesystems
 seyon        2701  seyon: dpkg --purge doesn't work
 xonix        3175  xonix colors bad for colorblind
 xonix        3184  xonix creates /var/lib/games world writable!

dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silber) (7 bugs):
 fortune      1118  fortune is setuid games ?!
 fortune      3213  fortune need libc.so.4
 uucp         1265  Misc. uucp bugs
 uucp         2198  uuxqt can't execute rmail
 uucp         2293  uucp should compress big files in /usr/doc/uucp
 uucp         2810  uucp postrm should use -f flag to rm
 uucp         3112  UUCP uses /usr/spool/uucp (and does not create it)

Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte.com> (7 bugs):
 apache       2426  apache overwrites existing home page
 apache       2703  apache: wrong location of icons and cgi-bins
 apache       2802  apache tweaks
 apache       2812  Apache server: SECURITY HOLE
 apache       2814  Apache 1.0.3: wrong manpage
 apache       2872  Apache starts several times
 apache       2934  Some cgi scripts don't work

Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Uni-Mainz.DE> (8 bugs):
 amd          2497  Fixes for amd-upl102
 amd          2864  serious bug in amd!
 amd          2868  amd hangs on tcsh hostname completion
 amd          3208  amd bug
 kbd          1901  `compose' keytable command not documented
 kbd          2217  loadkeys problem
 kbd          2238  another loadkeys problem
 kbd          3210  loadkeys infelicities

Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.north.de> (8 bugs):
 smail        1481  smail paniclog suggestion
 smail        1693  forwarded message from Harald T. Alvestrand
 smail        1799  smail nameresloving problems
 smail        1929  aliasinclude and forwardinclude directors missing
 smail        2348  Smail fails to define NO_PETER_HONEYMAN
 smail        2423  scattered sendmail links
 smail        3046  Smail configuration problem?
 smail        3164  runq dumps core

dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor) (9 bugs):
 lpr           902  lpr can't print a PostScript file ?!
 lpr          1061  /etc/printcap vs. /usr/man/man5/printcap.5
 lpr          1923  lpr not de-installing
 lpr          2555  lpd source files aren't clean
 lpr          2556  "\031\1"
 lpr          3034  SOLVED: can't remove print jobs
 lpr          3038  SOLVED: can't remove print jobs
 lpr          3156  lpr and smail uuname returned -1
 lpr, magic   3075  lpr, magicfilter, dvi-fonts failed

Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu> (10 bugs):
 gsfonts      1112  a2gs output unusable by gs but usable by ghostview
 mh           2334  MH scan -width dumps core
 mh           2346  MH can lose mail
 mh           2648  
 mh           2661  dist and mh both have a dist manpage
 ncurses-ba   2863  dselect and ncurses in select window
 ncurses-ba   3163  disconnects between ncurses-base and xbase
 ncurses-bi   2076  reset(1)
 ncurses-bi   2474  /usr/bin/reset does the wrong thing
 ncurses-te   2158  new ncurses bug ?

Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels@cistron.nl> (10 bugs):
 inn          2112  Submission for INN doc file
 inn          2220  INN feed password interacts badly with trn XMODE READER
 inn          2822  Some minor glitches with the inn package
 inn          3153  inn ctlinnd not readable/executable, but /var/run/innd is !
 sysvinit     2439  rc?.d scripts sometimes not run
 sysvinit     2796  sysvinit makes obsolete symbolic link
 sysvinit     2908  mesg sets wrong permissions on /dev/ttyp*
 sysvinit     3130  sysvinit init.d/network script buglet
 sysvinit     3140  /etc/init.d/boot has rm -f bugs
 sysvinit     3143  sysvinit init.d/network script buglet

Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org> (11 bugs):
 man          2607  man and mandb invocation error
 man          2637  unstable/man loops building index with empty man pages
 man          2638  unstable/man loops building index with empty man pages
 man          2712  man fails to recover correctly from ^Cs
 man          2799  mandb doesn't like manpage for dc
 man          2862  man 9menu doesn't work
 man          2969  zsoelim [in man] is confused by .so in macros definitions
 man          3098  man-2.3.10-11 segfaults
 man          3109  man 9menu unpleasant
 man          3181  apropos in package man depends on package bsdmainutils
 man          3220  apropos dumps core

David Engel <david@ods.com> (11 bugs):
 binutils     1108  No manpage ar(5)
 binutils     1303  `man 1 nm` slightly incomplete
 binutils     2161  elf-binutils 2.5.2l.20-1 ld can be made to segfault
 dialog       2591  rootdisk
 gcc          2493  GCC -O3 produces unsatisfied external ref to static functio
 gcc          2909  GCC Info has funny formatting
 gcc          2910  GCC accepts multi-line strings without \ or " " &c
 gdb           660  GDB gets address of structure member wrong in memory breakp
 ldso         3006  ldso message about cache warnings is avoidable
 snmp         3108  snmpd provides too much information
 tkman        2884  tkman doesn't use /var/catman

Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk> (12 bugs):
 at           2475  `at' uses middle-endian 2-digit-year date format
 cron         1681  Missing files
 cron         1995  run-parts on laptops
 cron         2052  find over NFS
 cron         2338  finds in cron.daily should be nice
 cron         2808  wrong crontab entry for atrun
 cron         3047  cron script problem?
 cron         3099  /etc/cron.daily/standard security hole
 cron         3114  cron.daily/standard script
 cron         3148  Cron: Cannot stat in /var/spool/cron/atjobs/
 cron         3182  cron's checksecurity runs find on NFS mounted filesystems
 pgp-i        1831  pgp-i bug..

Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosoft.com> (12 bugs):
 jargon       3222  Jargon info entry in wrong category
 nvi          2382  would like `view' link for nvi
 nvi          2428  nvi segmentation faults
 nvi          2797  nvi dumped core?
 nvi          2825  restricted movement in nvi
 nvi          2832  nvi likes turning auto-margins off
 nvi          2855  nvi changes xterm settings...
 nvi          3035  nvi dumps core
 nvi          3166  SIGSEGV on TERM=dumb
 nvi          3189  nvi over-cautious about .exrc?
 nvi          3234  nvi segfaults if stty rows 0 columns 0
 nvi          3235  nvi gives unhelpful message for unknown TERM type

Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.org> (19 bugs):
 xbase         725  twm places windows incorrectly
 xbase         740  xclock leaves `droppings' in its window
 xbase         773  xmh falls over if mh is not installed
 xbase         775  twm reports errors on incorrect line numbers
 xbase        1621  Xmark has no manpage
 xbase        1690  XDM protection fault on X config error
 xbase        1691  X config allows invalid numeric range
 xbase        1819  X11 doesn't set a lock on the mouse port
 xbase        1985  xdm won't redirect to remote machines.
 xbase        2243  xterm vanishes when it's big (some escape sequence?)
 xbase        2297  xterm gets mouse-paste and RETURN in wrong order
 xbase        2313  xterm keymapping problems suspected
 xbase        2360  xdm cannot find a free VT
 xbase        3026  xbase et al postinst doesn't flush stdout
 xbase        3073  xbase contains imake and xmkmf without their config files
 xbase        3095  xbase kills xdm and *then* asks (politely, but belatedly)
 xbase        3162  disconnects between ncurses-base and xbase
 xbase?       3110  X servers muck up xdm when uninstalled
 xserver-sv   1292  X locks up

Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au> (24 bugs):
 ksmbfs       2045  smb[u]mount not suid root
 ksmbfs       2204  Description
 lynx         2067  lynx -source can't find documents
 lynx         2295  (no subject)
 lynx         2946  Lynx gives fatal error message
 lynx         2964  lynx -dump fails through proxy
 lynx         2965  lynxexec not compiled into lynx.
 lynx         3105  lynx access to dot files is disabled
 mandelspaw   2949  mandelspawn still a.out! (Depends: xlibraries)
 mandelspaw   3176  mandelspawn slave problems
 rxvt         2510  rxvt-2.14 breaks old scripts
 rxvt         2989  rxvt source bug
 samba        1946  nmbd won't browse
 tcsh          820  tcsh builtin `echo' doesn't check write errors
 tf           2547  tf does not support visual mode
 xntp         2051  /etc/ntp.conf is an auto-handled conffile
 xntp         2403  xntpd fails with kernel 1.3.68
 xntp         2809  No manpages in xntp package
 xntp         2982  xntp calls ntpdate at start
 xtron        1703  xtron documentation
 ytalk        2196  ytalk `shell' option can't run dpkg
 ytalk        2575  ytalk lies about who you are talking to
 ytalk        2699  ytalk doesn't use FQDNs
 ytalk        3232  ytalk dumps core with unknown terminal type

Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> (28 bugs):
 dpkg          957  dpkg should automatically log everything
 dpkg         1037  dselect user interface (was Re: debian 0.93pl5 installation
 dpkg         1399  dselect error handling not consistent
 dpkg         1480  start-stop-daemon doesn't check process status
 dpkg         1526  man dpkg(5) dpkg(8) dselect
 dpkg         1555  suggestion for dselect
 dpkg         1642  dpkg recursive package listing doesn't do the right thing
 dpkg         1670  start-stop-daemon is too slow
 dpkg         1797  ELF conversion
 dpkg         1818  Perl perlconfig message
 dpkg         1921  dpkg,update-alternatives: 3 problems and a suggested patch
 dpkg         2531  install-info should use better locking strategy
 dpkg         2536  dpkg inappropriately marks packages as installed
 dpkg         2576  base: selecting [A]ccess with dselect
 dpkg         2603  dpkg-1.1.3 seg fault when installing xterm-color
 dpkg         2664  dselect problems with dpkg-1.1.3
 dpkg         2828  have to install xosview twice to work
 dpkg         2834  desect loses state if it can't find a pre-dependancy
 dpkg         2894  dpkg guidelines info files not recognized
 dpkg         2904  install-info doesn't cope with nonexistent /usr/info/dir fi
 dpkg         2911  Conffiles are deleted too late ? (Re: Bug#2701: seyon: dpkg
 dpkg         2929  dpkg-name 1.1.6 is broken.
 dpkg         2939  Bad dpkg/ldconfig Interaction
 dpkg         2973  install-info created 5 Development sections in my /usr/info
 dpkg         3125  bug (and correction) in dpkg-1.1.6 scripts/install-info.pl
 dpkg         3170  again dpkg --root=xxx
 dpkg         3218  install-info adds Miscellaneous section badly
 dpkg         3243  recommendations should not be requirements in dselect

daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (David P. Boswell) (28 bugs):
 bash          818  bash builtin `echo' doesn't check write errors
 bash         1009  bash problem with quoting/completioon
 bash         1549  bash should not have world-readable history
 bash         1624  thermal run away problem
 bash         1702  telnet+su root->thermal process
 bash         1714  bash is confused when breaking lines
 bash         1746  rsh <system> sh -i produces CPU hog
 bash         1834  [kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de: /etc/profile on Debian Linux
 bash         2110  Bash tab completion of non alphanumeric characters
 bash         2265  bash `horizontal scroll' can't be turned off
 bash         2301  bash doesn't document any way to safely create tmp file
 bash         2362  bash (readline) dumps core on completion
 bash         2818  bash doesn't provide enough docs
 bash         2856  fd leak in bash
 bash         3174  set -i doesn't work in bash
 bash         3177  sh -nc <command> actually runs command (!)
 fileutils    1854  cp -dpR doesn't preserve ownership of symlinks
 fileutils    3157  df from fileutils calls sync() needlessly
 shellutils    821  /bin/echo doesn't check write errors
 shellutils   1164  who --help uses /etc/{w,u}tmp
 shellutils   1560  `su' produces incomplete log entries when not in ordinary s
 shellutils   1616  'who' can't find utmp
 shellutils   2068  su doesn't su.
 shellutils   2292  date does not support dates past 2000 !
 shellutils   2345  Inclusion of shadow breaks up some packages in the current 
 shellutils   2959  date +Z bug
 shellutils   3087  Bug in date.
 textutils    1812  Cut in textutils with fields

Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com> (31 bugs):
 libgr        2342  libpng too old (0.71) for Arena
 libgr        2343  libgz obsolete and confusing name for libz
 libgr-dev    2529  libgr and libgr-dev both provide a common file
 perl         1099  perl bug
 perl         1170  perl fails to make headers first time...
 perl         1201  perl doesn't know about includes
 perl         1247  perl <...> globbing only works if (t)csh installed
 perl         1411  perlconfig misses an opportunity to use xargs
 perl         1856  creating perl header files
 perl         1916  perl: wrong entries in Config.pm
 perl         1972  perl should suggest kernel sources
 perl         2182  perl shouldn't touch /usr/local
 perl         2184  perl's sys/socket.ph causes warning
 perl         2241  Perl 5.002-3 handles LANG and LC_* poorly
 perl         2251  Perl coredumps while invoking adduser
 perl         2254  perl doesn't initialize variable to 0 or something
 perl         2405  perl postinst messages re unctrl.h
 perl         2440  sys/socket.ph produces spurious message
 perl         2495  perl requires tcsh (as it is currently configured)
 perl         2501  (no subject)
 perl         2502  configure fails if /vmlinuz is missing
 perl         2589  perl can't load libdb.so.1
 perl         2590  new revision of perl does not include suidperl
 perl         2593  perl tries to install in /usr/local
 perl         2658  Errors during perlconfig
 perl         2691  new perl break suid scripts
 perl         3093  Perl dumps core
 perl         3212  Perl recommends nonexistent packages
 perl         3230  why the hell does perl depend on tcsh???
 perl         3242  perl's dependencies are wrong
 weblint      3028  bad weblint permission

Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.superlink.net> (34 bugs):
 mc           2823  mc segfaults on reconnect of ftpfs
 mc           3128  mc-3.2.1-1 needs libgpm.so.1
 mc (Midnig   2242  mc should depend on ncurses3.0
 procps       1016  top has 3's in vt100
 procps       1176  /usr/bin/top segfault with unknown terminal
 procps       1240  ps(1) man page incomplete
 procps       1246  ps man page does not agree with implementation
 procps       1336  CFLAGS shouldn't be used when linking
 procps       1533  `w' produces bogus login@, idle time &c for xdm login entry
 procps       1713  procps: manpage doesn't tell the truth
 procps       1853  top fails after 130 processes?
 procps       1908  Top and tabs
 procps       1933  w from procps gives wrong idle times
 procps       2159  "ps pids" lists more than just pids
 procps       2402  ps no longer understands `g' option
 procps       2427  top d 60 fails
 procps       2460  bizarre output from `free'
 procps       2520  procps needs dependency on ncurses3.0
 procps       2721  free fails to understand recent kernels' /proc/meminfo
 procps       2728  top coredump
 procps       2841  top produces `$<3>' at end of each line !
 procps       2938  libproc is in wrong place
 procps       3080  error message in syslog caused by ps
 procps       3102  top has problems when not on console
 timezone     2167  timezone zdump for US zones gives GMT instead of local time
 timezone     2169  timezone zdump utility should be able to dump files
 timezone     2170  timezone: it needs more documentation
 timezone     2171  timezone: how to determine zone setting?
 timezone     2275  ctime(3) should be replaced by newctime(3)
 timezone     2671  timezone Mexico/General doesn't switch to DST
 timezone     2682  Zoneinfo library has a name-clash with compression library
 timezone     2785  Timezone has static library?
 timezone     3084  missing timezones
 timezone?,   2942  Wrong timezone for Europe/Warsaw?

Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-net.de> (36 bugs):
 bibtex       2037  bibtex not searching $TEXINPUTS
 bibtex, kp   1429  several TeX packages Provide themselves
 dviljk       3198  dviljk is still aout! :-(
 dviljk       3202  dviljk doesn't read stdin!!! :-(
 dvipsk       1873  dvipsk ignores /etc/papersize!
 dvipsk       2104  dvips doesn't provide color
 dvipsk       2357  dvipsk generated PS causes `restore error'
 kpathsea     1858  kpathsea package does not install or maintain an ls-R datab
 kpathsea     1865  cmr10 at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.
 latex,xdvi   2054  no subject (file transmission)
 ltxmisc      2749  ltxmisc: missing source file
 ltxtool      1771  Legal problems with ltxtool
 ltxtool lt   1502  Uniform lists in debian.control
 mfbasfnt     2751  mfbasfnt: missing source file
 mfbin        1686  psfonts.map can't be found
 mfbin        1934  font scaling problem
 mfbin        2972  MetaFONT linked against X libraries
 mfbin        3077  gray font .mf files missing from MFBIN
 mflib        2185  texmf/metafont or texmf/mf ?
 mflib        2772  mflib: missing source file
 psnfss       3135  psnfss has no Architecture field
 texbin       1647  dpkg can present incorrect info for virtual packages.
 texbin       1653  Missing dvicopy(1) man page.
 texbin       1663  TeX comes without configuration script
 texbin       1664  TeX is lacking documentation on the setup
 texbin       1823  texbin postinst failed with error 1, no message
 texbin       2023  latex dumps core on -QUIT
 texbin       2038  tex man page has unexpanded macros in it
 texbin       2621  unstable/texbin install fails
 texlib       2186  national hyphenation patterns
 texlib       2766  texlib: missing source file
 texpsfnt     2764  texpsfnt: missing source file
 textfm       2763  textfm: missing source file
 xbmbrowser   3050  xbmbrowser man page installed as xbmbrowser.man
 xdvik        2122  xdvik doesn't handle the `zcat convention
 xdvik        2803  xdvi does not handle redraws of includedEPS files correctly

Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.org> (49 bugs):
 (ftp.debia   1672  non-free packages
 (ftp.debia   2941  lots of hyphens in archive
 (ftp.debia   3236  auto-pgp in non-free, mailcrypt in misc
 (rootdisk)   2945  Bus Error given by rootdisk
 (rootdisk)   3142  1.1 installation and large partitions
 acm          1366  acm networking problems
 emacs        1879  Emacs shell mode weirdness - looks like C code bug
 emacs        2183  emacs shouldn't touch /usr/local
 emacs        2235  emacs eats manual pages
 emacs        2267  emacs ange ftp fails
 emacs        2318  Emacs makes it hard for MTAs to do the right thing
 emacs        2392  Emacs mishandles fonts under X.
 emacs        2417  emacs inferior process buffers failing
 emacs        2431  Emacs mishandles X fonts.
 emacs        2476  emacs mucks up my email address
 emacs        2477  annoying bug in emacs
 emacs        2478  ange ftpd croaks on anonftpd
 emacs        2479  ange-ftp is incredibly inefficient
 emacs        2500  (no subject)
 emacs        2532  Emacs fails to use `set -e' in postinst
 emacs        2596  install-info (v1.1.2) creates bad emacs section
 emacs        2609  (no subject)
 emacs        2630  emacs package needs to break ctags-related files out separa
 emacs        2634  emacs hung
 emacs        2709  emacs should list /usr/lib/emacs/19.30/lisp/default.el as a
 emacs        2714  Emacs and XEmacs share files
 emacs        2731  emacs with gud creates ~/.terminfo/e/emacs
 emacs        2829  emacs: gdb says: slashes aren't allowed (/etc/termcap)
 emacs        3119  emacs font handling
 emacs        3179  emacs ctags segfaults
 emacs        3241  derived.el fails in emacs
 glibcdoc     1468  `glibcdoc' should use `info-browser' virtual packages
 glibcdoc     2759  glibcdoc: missing source file
 glibcdoc     2906  Inconsistency in libc.info re snprintf
 libc4         911  libc causes rsh to fail on commands with option arguments
 libc4        1130  Stdlib.h problems when using gcc -O-traditional
 libc4        1211  libc __nis_getgrnam() segfaults for dpkg when using NIS
 libc4        1278  dpkg seg faults with NIS
 libc4        1279  Strangeness involving <bsd/signal.h>
 libc4        1378  weird ELF/a.out difference
 libc4        1685  dpkg-split --msdos not correct
 libc4        1774  <paths.h>: _PATH_DEFPATH contains `.'
 libc4        2011  very silly messages from rsh
 libc5        3190  rlogin takes far too long when remote says Connection Refus
 libc5 (and   2321  libc doesn't use **h_aliases (hostent)
 libc5-dev    2387  gethostbyaddr(3) ill documented
 libc5-dev    2573  sysinfo system call not in libc
 libg++27     2610  support for m68k-linux
 librl        1971  librl should be in required

Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com> (63 bugs):
 arrl-infos   2737  arrl-infoserv: missing source file
 ash          2604  ash: cc: Internal compiler error: program ld got fatal sign
 ash          3056  ash-source contains objects
 base         1699  Install/Config quirks: Missing secondary DNS server, NIS se
 base         1742  /dev/tty has wrong permissions
 base         1794  /bin/sh is shell when none specified in /etc/passwd
 base         1855  packages adding entries to /etc/group
 base         1885  base 0.93.6-13: doesn't create higher ttys
 base         1954  setting up the network
 base         1955  base discs still aren't creating /var/log/news
 base         2001  Incorrect ownership of audio device files
 base         2070  /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net
 base         2524  problems with base package
 base         2538  audio devices have different group id than audio group
 base         2688  base: wrong group for rft* devices
 base         2741  First booting with Debian 1.1
 base         2840  Conflicting entries in login/group
 base         2889  no NCR 53c810 driver in 1.1 boot-disk
 base         2895  base -- incorrect passwd entry for 'gnats'
 base         2920  incorrect entry for nobody in recent "base" package
 base         2927  /usr/info/dir in base confuses install-info
 base         2928  nobody has wrong login shell
 base         2975  [base] missing /dev entries
 base         2978  May 13 15:51:25 lohi wu-ftpd[345]: wtmp /var/log/wtmp No su
 base         3002  majordomo has conflicting group id
 base         3027  updatedb can't run properly
 base         3036  automatic adduser/addgroup in postinst (was Re: fingerd)
 base         3039  MAKEDEV script does not create the random/urandom devices
 base         3070  base copyright string
 base         3149  upgrading base truncates utmp
 base         3183  permissions problems with /var/lib/games
 base         3231  /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib not present
 boot-flopp    998  Can't Configure DOS Partitions
 boot-flopp   1032  Linux Counter Project Info Not Included
 boot-flopp   1372  rootdisk: no dvorak keytable
 boot-flopp   2569  bootdisk: Leading dot in dnsdomainname?
 boot-flopp   2738  Installing Debian 1.1
 boot-flopp   2739  Configuring Network with Debian 1.1
 boot-flopp   2740  Configuring Network with Debian 1.1
 boot-flopp   2850  nfs.o isn't loaded in clean debian 1.1 nfs install
 boot-flopp   2893  forwarded 1.1 installation bugs
 boot-flopp   2914  (no subject)
 boot-flopp   3031  various boot-floppies nits
 boot-flopp   3064  need a pointer in /usr/doc/boot-floppies
 boot-flopp   3121  boot-floppies doesn't have basedisks.sh
 image        1707  image 1.2.13-5 has no msdos.o
 image        1744  dpkg: cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/
 image        1914  general protection in unix_proto_connect
 image        1962  kernel needs sbpcd.h editing in some cases
 image        1989  mmap bug?
 image        2105  console error messages "Source Route Failed."
 image        2463  "msdos" filesystem needed for bootstrapping
 image        2470  in kernel Attached ether adapter driver interferes with lp 
 image        2692  kernel swap space problem
 image        2940  image-1.3.64-0 lacks scsi tape device
 lilo         2926  Lilo: can't make documentation
 lilo         3247  Lilo unpack removes boot.b
 miscutils    3122  run-parts should ignore RCS
 source       1759  running out of swap causes deadlock
 source       1922  1.3.43 Kernel is too nice
 source       2063  scsi driver sequence unreasonable
 source       2064  aha1740 driver only supports one card
 syslinux     2774  syslinux: missing source file

(unknown) (67 bugs):
              2956  beta experience
              3161  Newbie 1.1beta installation.
              3225  dpkg-1.2.3 upgrade problems from 1.0.17
              3233  dselect for 1.1 as of June, 2nd
              3244  (no subject)
              3245  mc should depend on gpm
              3248  Bug: #1176 /usr/bin/top segfault with unknown terminal
 (bug track   2998  bugs2ftp still flaky
 ?            2022  utmp corruption
 a2ps         1874  a2ps ignores /etc/papersize!
 apsfilter    3224  apsfilter doesn't configure on a read-only filesystem
 ax25-kerne   1467  `ax25-kernel-source', `ax25-util' should use virtual packag
 ax25-kerne   2762  ax25-kernel-source: missing source file
 ax25-util    2099  slip module stops axattach
 ax25-util    2765  ax25-util: missing source file
 backup       1406  backup postrm can fail when it shouldn't
 bin86        1281  bin86
 dosemu       1791  dosemu troubles
 dpkg-ftp     2870  dpkg-ftp-1.4.1 bug
 dpkg-ftp     2933  dpkg-ftp needs perl 5.002
 dvi2tty      2491  dvi2tty: disdvi segfaults
 e2ctags, e   2503  elvis and emacs both provide ctags
 elvis        2592  Elvis Compilation Peoblem
 fort77       2919  very bad fort77 installation message
 g77          2852  Bug 2711: g77 does not include info file
 kermit       2430  kermit configuration script is hard to read on a monochrome
 kernel-ima   3040  Sound module in 1.3.95 kernel not compatible with my SB16 c
 kernel-ima   3106  v 1.1 beta kernel image not for i386
 kernel-ima   3195  "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" fails due to missing "serial" mod
 kernel_ima   3019  no 386 support in kernel_image 1.3.100
 libdb        2504  remove -m486 from Makefile
 libdb        2896  postinst has bad permissions 644
 libdb        3240  [libdb]: obsolete bugfix
 libdb1       2483  libdb1 uses not-yet-completely-supported >= syntax
 libgdbm1     2484  libgdbm1 conflicts with some versions of perl5 and man
 libreadlin   2899  postinst has bad permissions 644
 lists.debi   3199  Bizarre message from debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org
 ncurses      3191  reset(1) doesn't bring an xterm out of alt charset mode
 ncurses      3192  tset(1) man page problem
 ncurses3.0   1314  ncurses fails in silly way on TERM=dumb
 ncurses3.0   1997  ncurses linux terminal definition for kbs
 ncurses3.0   2085  /usr/lib/termcap/l/linux kbs Capname definition questioned
 ncurses3.0   2130  ncurses3.0-dev misinstalls scr_dump man page
 ncurses3.0   2291  missing terminfo capabilities for xterm
 ncurses3.0   2806  ncurses man pages internal inconsistencies
 ncurses3.0   2962  dselect arrow keys don't work after a search
 ncurses3.0   3113  dselect provokes ncurses problem when window enlarged
 ncurses3.0   3207  strange screen update choices from ncurses
 repair       1532  no revision number with repair
 rootdisk     3147  May 19 boot floppies...
 spice        3155  spice still on my system
 sysklogd     3060  problems with new sysklogd-1.3-3
 sysklogd     3103  "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" does not restart klogd
 termcap       797  /etc/termcap console keydefs for function keys
 termcap       836  Possible bugs in termcap system
 termcap      1045  tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd)
 termcap      1803  /etc/termcap linux definition incomplete
 various      3066  a.out binaries in various packages
 web2c        2027  tiny bug in web2c debian.rules
 win32binut   2650  win32binutils has /usr/bin/flex++
 xaw3d        3067  broken libXaw3d
 xemacs       2689  (no subject)
 xemacs       2839  Xemacs problems
 xfractint    3186  Can't chdir
 xserver-ma   2039  X server font erosion
 xserver-s3   1796  missing call to ntohs in X server
 xsysinfo     3211  xsysinfo has no documentation

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> > Isn't it a good thing that you can say man <function name> and get the
> > right man page, rather than having to say man curs_<function name>,
> > though?
> Is it really too hard to sed the manpages ?
Shouldn't be too difficult but what about non ncurses packages refering
to ncurses manpages. They should change as well. 

Some kind of link between old name (or regular name) man pages and their
renamed name should be provided, run on them during creation of the package
with the manpages refering to for example ncurses manpages.

How many of those do we have, this will probably not be a ncurses only
thing.

Erick


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Bruce Perens writes ("dialog and the boot floppies"):
...
> "dialog-0.9a" is a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack. Really nasty.
> We need something better.

You have my profound sympathy.

Does anyone here have time to write a simple `dialog' clone ?

When we have a volunteer I'd like to talk to them about some things
I'd like them to do so that 1.2 can have transcript logging of dpkg
and package script actions.

Ian.

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I really like the ssh package Dominik put up on his site. But I don't like
the idea of separating it from the distribution. As far as I understand teh
copyright issue it's the same problem as with pgp. Inside the US you have to
use that patented library while outside you can use other implementations.

Isn't it possible to create two versions of ssh, ssh-i and ssh-us, as we do
with pgp? I take it distributing the international version via the US is not
illegal is it?

Could someone please explain me if this is possible?

I assume Dominik is willing to create two version. Are you, Dominik?

Michael
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"Lars Wirzenius wrote:"
> 
> Kai Henningsen:
> > Umm ... _can_ any of these things be used to differentiate between a  
> > Debian system and, say, a Red Hat system that only has dpkg installed so  
> > it can use some Debian packages?
> 
> Probably not.  However, I think someone already mentioned
> /etc/debian_version.  Perhaps that would be reliable enough?

I don't have an /etc/debian_version on most of my systems.  I think it
must be part of the base package which out of (unfounded) fear I have
not upgraded yet.  And it wasn't there some time ago (0.93??).

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Erick Branderhorst wrote:

> > >  29767e79788ee25f75d167d579e85773  1626  tex  -  dvi2tty-5.1-6.changes
> > 
> > Would everyone please stop doing this?  Surprise, surprise, the md5sums
> > aren't going to match.
> Ok but what should we do?

To guarantee that the changes file is uncorrupted?  Nothing for now.
After 1.1 is released, I'll start requiring all changes files to be pgp
signed.  That will guarantee their sanctity.


Guy

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Hello,

Someone volunteered to write a manual page for programs and tools that
does not have a manual page. I'd like to know the name of this man page
and I'd like to see installed by default on Debian systems (as an essential
package in base). Basically, I think we could have

    man1/notdocumented.1
    man2/notdocumented.2

etc... (undocumented is a bad name because there is an undocumented(2)).

Then I will be able to make a gettext package that will have *.1 defined
containing

	.so man1/notdocumented.1

This would be nice...

Yves.

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"Yves Arrouye wrote:"
> 
> Since some sensible alternatives to gawk are allowed, why is it marked as
> essential? If I want to install mawk or another nawk, I ought to be able
> to remove gawk since I don't really want to have both installed.

Hmm, interesting point.  I don't think there is any way to have a
virtual package marked as essential.  So one of the awk packages may
need to be marked essential.  Ian?

> I think it would be nice to have gawk and mawk (and any other nawk) providing
> a virtual package nawk (if this is not already done, but it's not the case
> on my system with gawk_3.0.0-2 and mawk_1.2.2-1, nor does my (maybe outdated)
> virtual packages list mention an nawk package), and other packages would
> depend on nawk when needed (or on a really specific gawk/mawk if they do
> have special features needed).

Since awk/nawk are part of base, programs can just assume that they are
there.  Hence the virtual package mechanism isn't necessary.  However,
it may be useful and/or safer (e.g., inn doesn't depend on gawk|mawk).
In fact, many packages are including explicit dependencies on base
packages (mainly libc5, ncurses3.0, perl, sysvinit and so on).  I
think this approach is safer, but Ian once explained to me that
packages should just assume that base packages are installed.

> Is gawk really essential, or can it be replaced by mawk for all its
> actual uses?

awk is essential as there are many scripts that use it (so far noone uses
it in Debian package management scripts).  And every system administrator
who has been around the block expects awk to be there.

I plan to replace gawk with mawk in a future release (Debian 1.2).
Already mawk replaces the awk and nawk links from gawk if it is installed.
The only problem with mawk is actually a kernel bug: namely, the kernel
expects gawk to be present for the 'make dep' step.  I have edited my
kernel Makefile and mawk outperfoms gawk and produces identical output.
But Linus hasn't been persuaded by my arguments to fix this small bug.
I have asked Simon to make the Debian kernel packages support mawk
or gawk.  Once this is done (and I get a bit caught up in life :), I'll
release new versions of mawk and gawk where mawk is essential and gawk
is optional/devel (does that sound right?).  Then Bruce will have 200k
more for his bootdisks (I have replaced gawk with mawk on the boot disks
that I made using Bruce's Boot_floppies package with no ill effects).

Here is my kernel patch:

$ diff -u Makefile.old Makefile
--- Makefile.old        Mon May 13 01:14:46 1996
+++ Makefile    Mon May 13 00:57:00 1996
@@ -38,7 +38,9 @@
 NM     =$(CROSS_COMPILE)nm
 STRIP  =$(CROSS_COMPILE)strip
 MAKE   =make
-AWK    =gawk
+AWK    := $(shell if [ -x /usr/bin/awk ]; then echo awk; \
+               else if [ -x /usr/bin/mawk ]; then echo mawk; \
+               else echo gawk; fi ; fi)

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Dale Scheetz writes ("Re: new syslogd"):
> ...
> > Package: syslogd
> > Essential: yes
> > Status: install ok config-files
> ...
> > It seems, from the above, that dpkg thinks that the conf-files for syslogd
> > are still installed?
> 
> Yes, and the problem with this is ... ?
> 
Well, sysklogd conflicts with syslogd. I assume this means that it
conflicts with it's conffiles too? The thought was that this could be why
dselect has problems with syslogd and sysklogd.

Later,

Dwarf

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Can someone fill me in on why debian-utils was renamed to
> debianutils ?

Uh, I just thought it would be consistent with all the other utils
package.  Not a very good reason, I know.


Guy

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This revision puts the example files in the correct place, and cleans up
it's old mess.

Date: 08 Jun 96 16:46 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
Source: seesat5
Version: 0.90-2
Binary:  seesat5
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
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Changes: Fixed location of examples files, updated control file
Files:
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Later,

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Linus released the 2.0 kernel two days ago.

Simon, please build and upload 2.0 when you have a chance.

I am currently testing a 2.0 installation floppy set, and should have it
uploaded late tonight.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Good day folks,

I would like Debian 1.1 to have a http proxy.  We would be the only
Linux distribution that comes ready with a proxy.

I have packaged Harvest Cached but never released it.  It is ready for
upload, although I would check it again.

Harvest Cached is obsolete because it is now commercial software, the
free version is called squid.  One or two people are working on
packaging this guy.  What is the current state of it?  I haven't seen
an announcement yet.

If the squid package is not ready yet, I would like to upload the
cached first and then let it be replaced by squid.

Thanks for the audience,

	Joey

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I will release a new man package today with an extra dependence on
bsdmainutils so apropos has the col utility available.

What priority would you suggest - important ?

alvar

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Guy Maor writes:
> To guarantee that the changes file is uncorrupted?  Nothing for now.
> After 1.1 is released, I'll start requiring all changes files to be pgp
> signed.  That will guarantee their sanctity.

Can you suggest a good introductory document for setting up and using
pgp?

David
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Hi Michael,

Sorry for your Rhein Fire now definitely being out of the race for
WorldBowl '96!

But now back to Debian issues:

> I really like the ssh package Dominik put up on his site. But I
> don't like the idea of separating it from the distribution. As far
> as I understand teh copyright issue it's the same problem as with
> pgp. Inside the US you have to use that patented library while
> outside you can use other implementations.

Wrong: ITAR regulations do not permit any sensible military technology
(incl. cryptography) being moved out of the U.S. That includes DES and
therefore libc as well!  As it stands right now, anybody mirroring any
Linux distribution from the U.S (and anybody offering it!) is
violating U.S. laws.

IMHO we will have to split libcrypt from the rest of libc!  I
discussed that issue with H.J Lu about two years ago and he was not
willing to take any actions: "Don't wake sleeping dogs..."  Not very
sensible, but that is an attitude that many key-developers in the
Linux community share.

> Isn't it possible to create two versions of ssh, ssh-i and ssh-us,
> as we do with pgp? I take it distributing the international version
> via the US is not illegal is it?

It is (see above). 

> I assume Dominik is willing to create two version. Are you, Dominik?

No, i will not.  As it stands right now i am already contributing more
of my time to the Debian Project than i should (and originally
intended to).  I regard the ssh package as CONTRIBUTED SOFTWARE
WITHOUT MAINTENANCE which i only packaged for Debian because i was to
build it anyway.  I will make that clear in the next, and most likely
final, release.

CU,
  Dominik
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<A HREF="file:/afs/zdv.uni-mainz.de/homes/UFO/kubla/public_html/WLAF/Welcome.html">AFS file</A> access.


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> The Debian release of netscape should be under non-free, even though
> it does not actually include netscape itself.  It requires netscape in
> order to install correctly.  Since netscape used to under under
> non-free, I suspect that this change is a mistake in the package
> installation.

It was no mistake.  I built the installer from scratch.  If there was a
previous netscape package, I was unaware of it.  The current netscape.deb
package itself is public domain and I would like to leave it where it is.
There is no reason to restrict it's distribution.  I would consider a
comprimise and put it under "contrib".  That way it would still go on
all CDs, an important point, I believe.

Comments?

                                        Brian
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Here's a plausible tactic that ought to work with the current dpkg
mechanisms:

make all the base package stubs depend on awk.

make awk a virtual package

let Bruce sort out the details of creating the base...

Comments?

-- 
Raul

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> Wrong: ITAR regulations do not permit any sensible military technology
> (incl. cryptography) being moved out of the U.S. That includes DES and
> therefore libc as well!  As it stands right now, anybody mirroring any
> Linux distribution from the U.S (and anybody offering it!) is
> violating U.S. laws.
> 
> IMHO we will have to split libcrypt from the rest of libc!  I
> discussed that issue with H.J Lu about two years ago and he was not
> willing to take any actions: "Don't wake sleeping dogs..."  Not very
> sensible, but that is an attitude that many key-developers in the
> Linux community share.

I'm not sure what the scoop is with SSH, but...

"crypt" is not a form of encryption!  It is a one-way hash function,
just like MD5, CRC, and Checksum.  Granted, the later two can be
reversed with some difficulty.

Since there is no way to decode something encoded with "crypt", it
is not considered a threat by the government of the United States.

                                        Brian
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The crypt() function is effectively a DES encryption which is perturbed by 
the salt.  It is perfectly possible to use it (the one in GNU libc)
to perform DES encryption -- I have don it.  It is not reversible\
when it is used as a one way hash.  Vi on genuine un*x systems uses
crypt() to encrypt your files (:X - of course you mustn't confuse 
with :x).  I can dig out the C code which uses crypt for encoding
and decoding if it is of any use.  

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> when it is used as a one way hash.  Vi on genuine un*x systems uses
> crypt() to encrypt your files (:X - of course you mustn't confuse 

Nope. Please don't confuse crypt(3) with crypt(1) [in "man page"
notation, the C library function crypt() and the user-program crypt.]
The latter is a modified Enigma-style rotor cipher, see also the Crypt
Breaker's Workshop. debian does not include a package for crypt(1)
[and if it did, it should be in the "games" section...]

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>> "crypt" is not a form of encryption!  It is a one-way hash function,

However, the *source code* to crypt includes a complete, slow
implementation of DES (with one modifiable internal permutation.)
Welcome to the looking glass...

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Michael Meskes <meskes@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

| Wrong: ITAR regulations do not permit any sensible military technology
| (incl. cryptography) being moved out of the U.S. That includes DES and
| therefore libc as well!  As it stands right now, anybody mirroring any
| Linux distribution from the U.S (and anybody offering it!) is
| violating U.S. laws.

Hrm... is this really true?  My understanding is/was that
-exporting- it without a license is (at least technically)
illegal.  But neither downloading it into the US (RSA
patent issues aside) nor making it available for FTP
within the US are illegal per se.

E.g., MIT, which has been through the legal wringer on
this, makes Kerberos available via ftp, no?  And the
US dropped it's case against Phil Zimmerman, which
involved precisely claiming that making it available
for ftp within the US constituted illegal export. No?

(As a -really- small nit, it is my understanding
that export of DES from the US is legal without an
export license if used for authentication -- only
restricted if it is used for encryption.  No
bottom to the silliness!)

 Cynbe

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Good night folks,

After much work on and with manpages I'll upload another set for
Debian.  Hopefully this package will go into 1.1.

-- Begin Changes --

Date: 12 Jun 96 02:04:48 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Binary: manpages
Source: manpages
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.11-5
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org>
Description: Section 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9 manpages
 This package contains the Linux man pages for all chapters
 except 1 and 8.
Priority: Routine
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 1e3b2c88be6d18f5b9749d4e5accf50f 386213 doc - manpages-1.11-5.tar.gz
 58e50d73294890f27879801a6f05a7ab 21722 doc - manpages-1.11-5.diff.gz
 30a31b389326be3179715ff8bfb74668 357049 doc - manpages-1.11-5.all.deb
Changes:
 * several, also mailed to the author

-- End Changes --

I have modified many files.  If you're interested in these changes,
taka a look at the diff file please, they were too much to note every
single in the Changes.

Have a pleasant remainder of the week,

	Joey

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I've just uploaded 'nn' to Incoming on master (correctly, I hope).  If you're
an nn fan, check it out.  (This is the client only--with NOV around, there's
not that much use for nnmaster.)

The copyright is slightly iffy.  I think it still qualifies for the main
distribution, but someone who knows the rules can eyeball it (see below).

The significance of the version number is that this is v1.1 of the linux patch
that makes nn-6.5.0.3.b3 run under linux.  As far as I've been able to
determine, no one is (or will admit to) actively working on nn.  (Someone is
working on a GUI variant called nn-tk, though.)

Cheers,
--Mike


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Date: 12 Jun 96 02:00 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Mike Coleman <coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu>
Source: nn
Version: 6.5.0.b3.linux.1.1-01
Binary:  nn
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 nn: Heavy-duty USENET news reader (curses-based client)
 -  nn stands for "No News is good news", and the nn newsreader is designed to let
 -  you minimize the amount of time you spend reading news (or, more
 -  realistically, to allow you to follow even more newsgroups :-).
 -  .
 -  nn allows you to quickly select articles of interest and skip the rest.  It
 -  also supports efficient article killing and selection of articles by author
 -  and subject.
 -  .
 -  This version of nn reads news from a news server via NNTP (the Network News
 -  Transfer Protocol), and can make use of your NNTP server's NOV database, if
 -  configured.  You must have a news server available - large sites usually
 -  provide a site-wide server.  (For those familiar with 'nn', this is a
 -  client-only version.)
 -  .
 -  (Having recently used both nn and trn, I think it's a tossup as to which is
 -  best, as trn seems to include many of nn's best features.  If you're a
 -  diehard nn user, "trn -x -XX" will start trn in a mode which somewhat
 -  resembles nn.)
Changes: no changes info provided
Files:
 81286810370933f9f5a86eaf40238624  575844  news  -  nn-6.5.0.b3.linux.1.1-01.tar.gz
 98266ee66e2b650046a208eaa0231c16  5781  news  -  nn-6.5.0.b3.linux.1.1-01.diff.gz
 5e8e17de9728bf300123d6c3e23e44e5  254690  news  optional  nn-6.5.0.b3.linux.1.1-01.i386.deb

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Version: 2.6.2

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pXN7CPQd40cgAG5owZ1n1kvvbXY3S66jDY9WfUwcK2/U7h+RAKuuoEDeJuNKlINV
MKdOfRsFZkfXUEcV2F2mjVW+pl431O2NVgoNXxADeaslAFtMxVyp3lPjlxHiad9S
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The copyright included with nn is included below.  Although the copyright
information from the primary author is clear, copyrights by other contributors
are less clear.

(This package doesn't include any of contrib/* or inews/*.)

At the very end is the LSM entry for the linux diffs, which shows the author
has placed them in the public domain.  I am also placing the Debian changes
into the public domain.


			      COPYRIGHT
			      ---------

Copyright (c) 1989, 1990 by Kim Fabricius Storm.  All rights reserved.

Not derived from licensed software except as stated below.

Permission is granted to anyone to use, modify, and reuse this
software for any purpose on any computer system, and to redistribute
it freely, subject to the following restrictions:

1. The author is not responsible for the consequences of use of this
   software, no matter how awful, even if they arise from defects in it.

2. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented, either by
   explicit claim or by omission.

3. Altered versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be
   misrepresented as being the original software.


The following code modules have been incorporated into nn, and the
above copyright notice does not apply to these modules; they include
their own copyright notices (or have none):

regexp.c:	Copyright (c) 1986 by University of Toronto.
	 	Written by Henry Spencer.

unshar.c:	No copyright notice.
		Written by K. Greer, S. Shafer, and M. Mauldin

decode.c:	Derived from a modified Berkeley original posted on
		USENET.

fullname.c:	Copyright (c) 1986 by Rick Adams.
		Derived from the Bnews distribution.

contrib/*:	Various copyright notices.
		The software available in the contrib/ directory was sent
		to me for inclusion in the nn distribution, because
		the authors think it might be useful to other nn users.
		I have included it *as is*.

inews/*:	NNTP 1.5 mini-inews.  Copyrights for NNTP applies.
		The software in the inews/ directory is a stand-alone
		version of the NNTP 1.5.7 mini-inews which has been
		slightly changed to ease configuration when used with nn.

Various pieces of code which may have their own copyright notices are
included in the contrib/ and inews/ directories.  This software has been
sent to me in the hope that it will be useful to somebody else.  I
have included it in this spirit, but I take no responsibilities for
this software, and I have no intentions to support it.


			     INSTALLATION
			     ------------

The following files are contained in the `doc' subdirectory:

The installation procedure is described in the file INSTALLATION.

You may also find useful information in the files PROBLEMS and NNTP.

The file NEWS-6.3 describes the major changes from release 6.1 to 6.3.

The file NEWS-6.4 describes the major changes from release 6.3 to 6.4.

The file NEWS-6.5 describes the major changes from release 6.4 to 6.5.


		     BUG REPORTS and SUGGESTIONS
		     ---------------------------

Please send bug reports (and fixes) to the following address:
	nn-bugs@dkuug.dk

You may also use nn-bugs for suggestions for improvements (missing
features in nn are considered to be bugs :-)

The easiest way to send a bug report is by using the :bug command in nn.


		      NN HAS ITS OWN NEWS GROUP
		      -------------------------

We have an unmoderated news group dedicated to nn: news.software.nn

The news.software.nn group is used for discussion on all subjects
related to the nn news reader.  This includes, but is not limited to,
questions, answers, ideas, hints, information from the development
group, patches, etc.

The news.software.nn group was created in January 1990 after an
official vote.  It may still be missing on parts of the net, so if you
don't get it please check your news feed, and help propagating the
news group to the entire net.


			   ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
			   ----------------

Since the development of nn is now on its fifth year, numerous persons
have contributed to nn with ideas and critisism, have helped me debug
the software by patiently using alpha and beta versions, have provided
bug fixes, small and big chunks of code, new configuration files, etc.

My warm thanks go to Rene Seindal and Wayne Davison for their many
contributions, to Lloyd W. Taylor for his efforts counting the
votes for news.software.nn, and to Paul D. Anderson for running the
release 6.3 patch server.

I also thank the following persons for their help and contributions:
Peter Andersen, Jonathan Bayer, Gardner Cohen, Bernie Cosell, P{r
Emanuelsson, Steven Grady, Miek Grenier, Scott Hankin, Kareth, Mike
Khaw, Edwin Kremer, Jean-Francois Lamy, Mark Moraes, A. E. Mossberg,
Mark Nagel, Rich Salz, Steve Simmons, Wietse Z. Venema, James A.
Woods, and Pim Zandbergen.

And of course I would like to thank the hundreds of other people who
have reported bugs, given suggestions, provided information, etc.
Forgive me for not listing all your names here, but I hope you
understand, and that you will continue to contribute your
valuable input to the continued developments.  Let us keep nn in the
lead!


Kim Fabricius Storm
Texas Instruments A/S, Denmark

Email: storm@texas.dk
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  Chris>  I don't have an /etc/debian_version on most of my systems.  I think
  Chris> it must be part of the base package which out of (unfounded) fear I
  Chris> have not upgraded yet.  And it wasn't there some time ago (0.93??).

As they say "Just do it!". You will have to hand-edit /etc/{groups,passwd}
but has the benefit of giving the new default uids and gids reserved for
cerian parts of the system.

And it answers this thread as it offers /etc/debian_version, due to a rather
sane (compated to other, more recent ones :-() request by RMS...

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 > Would we be making gawk nonessential in favor of mawk, or just making
 > gawk nonessential (removable)?  If it's made removable, any packages
 > needing awk will, of course, need to depend on something which provides
 > it.  Presuming that mawk is a fully compatable awk-alike (I've never used
 > it), both the gawk and mawk (and any other packages needing awk) will
 > need a Depends field added to their control files.  It'd probably be
 > best for all awk-alike packages to "Provides: awk" in their control
 > files, and for dependent packages to "Depends: awk".

I think that's the way it should be. Except that we could consider
having awk and nawk virtual packages to depend on, not just awk.

I'm pretty sure one can depend on a virtual package. And packages
like gawk and mawk for example would provides both awk and nawk.
(I'm not sure it is possible to express that nawk includes awk so
that a package providing nawk does implicitely provide awk.)

Yves.

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>>>>> "MM" == Michael Meskes <meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> wrote:

MM> I'm not familiar with the term "diverts" but does that mean a new
MM> gcc and a new libgcc.a are installed? Why? I don't like that at
MM> all.

MM> Are these files supersets of the old one?

I know anything about GNAT, but I have some experience on building
g77, the GNU Fortran 77 compiler, which might be quite similar to
building the Ada compiler.

In these cases you have to substitute the existing gcc with a new one
that is aware of the new compiler you are installing. You must
remember that "gcc" itself is just a front end to "cc1", "cc1plus",
"f771" etc.

Regarding the libraries, I don't know about Ada, but g77 simply
installs a new fortran-specific library.

IMHO, it is fundamental that the gcc maintainer be also the maintainer
of all the GNU compilers packages. If he is not able (or don't have
the time) to maintain the Ada or Fortran compilers, he could have an
"advisor for Ada affairs", to whom the bug reports regarding Ada could
go. Thinks could be cleaner/safer this way.

Again, this is just MHO.


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On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> I would like Debian 1.1 to have a http proxy.  We would be the only
> Linux distribution that comes ready with a proxy.

You can use cern-httpd as a proxy-server.

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David Engel writes:
> Can you suggest a good introductory document for setting up and using
> pgp?

I believe Carl Streeter (was that you?) had some infos on his web site.

Michael

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This is just a minimal repackaging - but since it replaces
/usr/bin/gcc and libgcc.a, it's worth packaging it just to be able to
use dpkg-divert :-) If anyone actually ends up using this package for
more than a quick test install, I'd appreciate hearing about it (so I
know if it's worth updating it...)

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Date: 12 Jun 96 02:35 UT
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Distribution: unstable
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Source: gnat
Version: 3.04-1
Binary:  gnat
Architecture:  i386 source
Description: 
 gnat: GNAT - the GNU NYU Ada Translator.
 Not to be confused with gnats, the bug tracking system.
 .
 This is packaged directly from gnat-3.04-i486-linux-elf-bin, rather
 than building from source - since gnat is written in ada, and needs
 to be installed to bootstrap itself.
 .
 Producing the package from the -bin file is essentially:
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 3) make ins-gnatstuff prefix=tmp/usr
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In article <m0uSMiW-000Mf2C@finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE> joey@finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE (Martin Schulze) writes:

> I would like Debian 1.1 to have a http proxy.  We would be the only
> Linux distribution that comes ready with a proxy.
> 
> I have packaged Harvest Cached but never released it.  It is ready for
> upload, although I would check it again.
> 
> Harvest Cached is obsolete because it is now commercial software, the
> free version is called squid.  One or two people are working on
> packaging this guy.  What is the current state of it? 

> I haven't seen an announcement yet.

True, unfortunately.

I don't use squid on Linux anymore, so I hoped Craig Sanders
<cas@taz.net.au> will release a package. AFAIK he even uses squid on
Debian Linux, unfortunately he seems to be quite busy.

I uploaded my latest diff to ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de:/pub/people/sr1

(squid-1.0.beta16 is said to be quite stable, so it might be a good
candidate for packaging.)

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Mark W. Eichin writes:
>  Note that this "diverts" gcc and libgcc.a.

I'm not familiar with the term "diverts" but does that mean a new gcc and a
new libgcc.a are installed? Why? I don't like that at all.

Are these files supersets of the old one?

Michael
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>>>>> "EB" == Erick Branderhorst <branderh@iaehv.nl> wrote:

EB> I will add a recommendation for emacs in the control file.  I will
EB> add a recommendation for an info-browser there as well.

I think it should depend on an info-browser. What can one do with the
info files without an info-browser?

Emilio.

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While the netscape*.deb is completely redistributable, it is useless
without netscape, which is not redistributable.  We recently had a
similar discussion with another set of tools which included non-free
sections.  I believe that it was the pgp packages.  Wasn't the
decision to put everything in the non-free tree.

I suspect that every package in the non-free tree includes a Debian
part which is free, yet the package remains in non-free.

kevin

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Joey,

The description looks good to me overall.  Here are a couple comments and
corrections:

     4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution


	Distributor:
	   Ian A. Murdock & The Debian Linux Association, Station 11, P.O.
	   Box 3121, West Lafayette, IN 47906, USA

	   Net: debian-user@lists.debian.org
	   WWW:  <http://www.debian.org/>
	   FTP:  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/>

- Should the ftp URL actually point to .../debian/doc or just .../debian?

	Provider's Description:
	   Debian Linux 1.1 is a complete and fully-functional Unix-
	   compatible operating system for the personal
	   computer--specifically.  

- sub "for x86-based PCs"?  ("specifically" is awkward here)
				    
				    Debian 1.1 is completely ELF.  At the
	   moment Debian Linux is only available for the IBM PC, but it is
	   worked on versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha machines.

- "being worked on"
- s/machines/architectures/

	   Debian Linux is an easy to upgrade distribution that mostly

- "easy-to-upgrade" or "easily upgradable"

	   consists of freely redistributable software from a number of
	   different sources and systems.  Non-free packages are also
	   available for the sake of a round system.

- s/round/well-rounded/

	   The benefit of Debian Linux is it's upgradability, well defined

- s/benefit/benefits/
- s/is/are/
- s/it's/its/
- s/well defined/well-defined/

	   dependencies between packages and its open development.  It is

- s/packages/packages,/

	   only distribution for Linux that is developed in the internet

- s/only/the only/
- s/is/is being/
- s/internet/Internet/

	   due to the spirit of Linux and free software and not by a
	   handfull of individuals.  More than 100 package maintainers are

- s/handfull/handful/

	   working on about 500 packages and improving Debian Linux.  Even
	   more users are are filing bugreports if there should be any.

- s/are are/are/
- s/bugreports/bug reports/
- "if there..." sounds odd.  Maybe "Debian sports a well-thought-out bug
tracking system by which it users can easily report discovered bugs."

	   Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  It is also very
	   picky about security concerns and bugs.  Once a bug or security
	   hint is reported it will be elilminated very quickly.  A new

-s/.../eliminated/

	   release of the package will soon occur on well-known ftp
	   archives.

	   For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to the
	   files at  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/> or visit our World
	   Wide Web page at  <http://www.debian.org/>.


	Internet Access:
	   Debian GNU/Linux is available via anonymous FTP from
	   <ftp.debian.org/debian/>,


	Entry last modified:
	   12 June 1996


	Editor's comments:
	   If you're interested in joining this project be invited to

- s/be/you are/

	   subscribe to either debian-user@lists.debian.org or debian-
	   devel@lists.debian.org by sending a mail to debian-user-
	   request@lists.debian.org (or debian-devel-request respectively)
	   with the word "help" in the subject line.

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From: branderh@iaehv.nl (Erick Branderhorst)
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I did use dchanges 3.4 but modified it a little because dchanges only
accepts underscores on all files (not only .deb, but .tar.gz and .diff.gz
too). What is the policy?

Date: 12 Jun 96 10:27 UT
Format: 1.6_
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: Low
Maintainer: Erick Branderhorst <branderh@debian.org>
Source: elisp-manual
Version: 19-2.4-2
Binary:  elisp-manual
Architecture:  all source
Description: 
 elisp-manual: Emacs Lisp Reference Manual
 -  The GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual covers this programming language
 -  in depth, including data types, control structures, functions, macros,
 -  syntax tables, searching and matching, modes, windows, keymaps, byte
 -  compilation, and the operating system interface.
Changes: 
 Wed Jun 12 11:34:45 1996  Erick Branderhorst  <branderh@debian.org>
 .
        * debian.rules (build): makeinfo elisp.texi
        * debian.rules (binary): debian.control handling, dpkg-name
        (binary): prerm in stead of postrm (according guidelines)
        * debian.control: modified Revision, Section, Priority, Architecture
Files:
 7b5adc14390570476e803b72b1395f6e  1923303  editors  -  elisp-manual-19-2.4-2.tar.gz
 5ad161893f67b637712d0d52009a4c52  9203  editors  -  elisp-manual-19-2.4-2.diff.gz
 1a8279653dfe79d7064ace16600df025  616806  editors  extra  elisp-manual_19-2.4-2_all.deb

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Hi all,

I 'm taking over the glibcdoc package from Ian M. but discovered that
it isn't that easy to simply provide the glibc sources and the diff
to the original sources (all version 1.09.1) and provide glibcdoc as
well (version 0.60).

I can provide the glibcdoc package with verion number 1.09.1, and
mention in the description that it is containing documentationverion
0.60 (this is easy)

or

provide source 1.09.1 diff 1.09.1 and binary/debian 0.60, this requires
a strange debian.rules structure, major changes in dchanges and
a lot of explanation, but the version number is correct.

What o what should I do?

Erick

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Ian M isn't maintaining the elisp-manual package anymore, so I volunteerd
to do the job. But I have a few questions and suggestions, react please:

should this package remain in the editors section, or would it be better
to put it in the documentation section. It only contains all kind of info
files with tekst about elisp.

I will add a recommendation for emacs in the control file.
I will add a recommendation for an info-browser there as well.

I found that installation of elisp-manual via dpkg-ftp can be done 
automagically when version 19-1 is installed, I had to remove it
first and than install the new 19-2.4-1 . Anyone knowing why this
isn't working and how it can be solved. The epoch thing perhaps?

Erick

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>>>>> "MS" == Martin Schulze <joey@finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE> wrote:

MS>      Internet Access: Debian GNU/Linux is available via anonymous

Should be "Debian Linux". :-)

ECL.

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branderh@debian.iaehv.nl writes:
 > > Then I will be able to make a gettext package that will have *.1 defined
 > > containing
 > the gettext package (version 0.10.16) is available at this moment, 
 > I uploaded it today, so you might take a look at that first.

I saw that. Don't worry...

 > > 	.so man1/notdocumented.1
 > > 
 > > This would be nice...
 > Perhaps it is nice, but I don't see what you want to establish with this.
 > Can you explain this?

Because when one does `man gettext' man answers that there's no manual
page for it. And if gettext.1 sourced (or was linked to) the notdocumented
man page, the user will have hints about what to try next (info, for
instance).

Yves.

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Subject: Re: Uploading manpages 1.11111-5

This should probably be 1.11-5

Have a pleasant remainder of the week,

	Joey

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

> In the process of working on a Debian package of Sun's JDK, as ported to
> Linux, I've discovered that while ports of the JDK can be made available via
> ftp, Sun now prohibits ports from being put on CDROM without a license.

Why can we not put it in non-free?


Guy

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Note Debian's new address:

	Software in the Public Interest
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In the process of working on a Debian package of Sun's JDK, as ported to
Linux, I've discovered that while ports of the JDK can be made available via
ftp, Sun now prohibits ports from being put on CDROM without a license.

I suspect that this means that the JDK itself cannot be put anywhere in the
Debian archive.

I see three ways to proceed from here:

1. Create a Debian package and make it available from the Linux/JDK port site.

2. Do #1, and in addition, create a "JDK pointer" package for the actual
distribution which will simply tell users where to find the JDK package, or
perhaps even try to automatically install it for them.

3. Forget the whole thing.

Any thoughts?
--Mike

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Michael Meskes <meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> writes:
> I'm not familiar with the term "diverts" but does that mean a new gcc and a
> new libgcc.a are installed? Why? I don't like that at all.

See "dpkg-divert" -- it's the same way color-xterm replaces xterm. The
old executables are moved out of the way, but kept around, so that if
you "dpkg --remove gnat" the old ones are restored. When you do the
install, dpkg-divert tells you explicitly what paths it is using (in
this case I've had it add ".orig-gcc" to the end of the original
names.)

> Are these files supersets of the old one?

Yes. gcc (which, remember, is only the top level driver, not a
compiler) simply adds support for the pathnames and passes used by
Ada. libgcc.a adds a few new builtins. It should be noted that the
changes in both are already in place at the FSF - I don't think
they'll be out in 2.7.3, since they're non-critical, but they should
be in 2.8.

If the debian package actually becomes widely used (1) I'll be
surprised :-) (2) I'll look into having the support put into the gcc
package directly. 
			_Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
			The Herd of Kittens

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   On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

   > In the process of working on a Debian package of Sun's JDK, as ported to
   > Linux, I've discovered that while ports of the JDK can be made available via
   > ftp, Sun now prohibits ports from being put on CDROM without a license.

   Why can we not put it in non-free?

It can't be made freely available on cdrom.  I don't think cdrom vendors are
going to want to deal with "you can press our stuff, but leave out these
files".

One possible alternative would be to have a directory (or even a different
site) where ftp-only stuff could be stored.  This would only be worth it,
though, if there were a number of packages with this restriction.  (I think
this is the only one I've ever seen.)

--Mike

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> I suspect that every package in the non-free tree includes a Debian
> part which is free, yet the package remains in non-free.

I'm sure they do, but that's not the point.  The netscape "package"
includes _nothing_ that is non-free.  Everything in it is, in fact,
in the public domain.

Moving it to non-free would mean it did not get distributed on some
or all of the CD-ROM distributions and I see no reason to limit it in
this way.  I would be willing to move it to "contrib", but I still prefer
it where it is.

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Dominik Kubla writes:
> Sorry for your Rhein Fire now definitely being out of the race for
> WorldBowl '96!

Never mind, was a great game on Sunday anyway.

> Wrong: ITAR regulations do not permit any sensible military technology
> (incl. cryptography) being moved out of the U.S. That includes DES and
> therefore libc as well!  As it stands right now, anybody mirroring any
> Linux distribution from the U.S (and anybody offering it!) is
> violating U.S. laws.

But what's the situation with PGP? We do have an international and an US
version of PGP on master.

> > Isn't it possible to create two versions of ssh, ssh-i and ssh-us,
> > as we do with pgp? I take it distributing the international version
> > via the US is not illegal is it?
> 
> It is (see above). 

But then we're illegal anyway because of pgp.

> No, i will not.  As it stands right now i am already contributing more
> of my time to the Debian Project than i should (and originally
> intended to).  I regard the ssh package as CONTRIBUTED SOFTWARE
> WITHOUT MAINTENANCE which i only packaged for Debian because i was to
> build it anyway.  I will make that clear in the next, and most likely
> final, release.

So it's orphaned. Could someone explain how the two pgp versions are
handeld? I don't think it'll be too much work to make two packages. In the
worst case both are orphaned.

Ian, you're maintaining pgp, could you please tell us whether ssh is
different?

Thanks
Michael

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> David Engel writes:
> > Can you suggest a good introductory document for setting up and using
> > pgp?
I don't want to reinvent the wheel, please provide a step to step approach
on what should be done. Or it is it far more complicated?

Erick

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Good morning folks,

Dirk Eddelbuettel has remarked that the text concerning Debian Linux
is outdated in the Distribution-HOWTO.  This morning I took some time
and wrote down what I think is important for this section.

I announce this as a proposal.  I would be happy if any native english
speaker or project leader would look through it and correct it.  As
english is only my second language there probably will be mistakes.

Please feel also free to re-write parts of it.

I would like to get this text out to Eric Raymond in order to have it
updated when 1.1 comes out.

For comparism I first include the original text, quoted by Dirk, then
the SGML text, then the formatted text.

First here's Dirks quote:

}(BTW: I cut-and-paste this from a zless display in an rxvt into this emacs/vm
}      buffer. Why the heck do the empty lines vanish?)
}
}-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
}
}  4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution
}     Distributor:
}        Ian A. Murdock
}        Net: imurdock@gnu.ai.mit.edu FTP:
}        <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/info>
}     Provider's Description:
}        Debian GNU/Linux is a complete and fully-functional Unix-
}        compatible operating system for the personal
}        computer--specifically, the IBM PC and compatibles.
}        Essentially, it is a preliminary release of the GNU operating
}        system, integrating the finished parts of GNU with the Linux
}        kernel and completing the system with freely redistributable
}        software from a number of different sources and systems,
}        including 4.4BSD-Lite.  It is intended to be a freely
}        redistributable replacement for commercial operating systems,
}        but it can be used alongside MS-DOS, OS/2, Unix, etc. and can
}        even reside on the same hard disk with them.
}        For more information about Debian GNU/Linux, please refer to the
}        files at  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/info> in the directory or
}        visit our World Wide Web page at  <http://www.debian.org/>.
}     Internet Access:
}        Debian GNU/Linux is available via anonymous FTP from
}        <ftp.debian.org/debian>,
}     Entry last modified:
}        23 November 1995
}     Editor's comments:
}        The Debian distribution is currently under development by a
}        ``semi-closed'' group of developers (rather then an individual)
}        and has been adopted as the Free Software Foundation's Linux
}        distribution.
}-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

And here comes the SGML source:

-- Begin SGML ---------------------------------------------------------
<sect1>Debian Linux Distribution
<p><descrip>
<tag/Distributor:/
	Ian A. Murdock &amp; The Debian Linux Association,
	Station 11,
	P.O. Box 3121,
	West Lafayette, IN 47906, USA 

	Net: <htmlurl url="debian-user@lists.debian.org" name="debian-user@lists.debian.org"> <newline>
	WWW: <url url="http://www.debian.org/"> <newline>
	FTP: <url url="ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/">

<tag/Provider's Description:/
	Debian Linux 1.1 is a complete and fully-functional Unix-compatible
	operating system for the personal computer--specifically.  Debian
	1.1 is completely ELF.  At the moment Debian Linux is only available
	for the IBM PC, but it is worked on versions for Sparc, m68k and
	Alpha machines.

	Debian Linux is an easy to upgrade distribution that mostly
	consists of freely redistributable software from a number of
	different sources and systems.  Non-free packages are also
	available for the sake of a round system.

	The benefit of Debian Linux is it's upgradability, well defined
	dependencies between packages and its open development.  It is only
	distribution for Linux that is developed in the internet due to the
	spirit of Linux and free software and not by a handfull of
	individuals.  More than 100 package maintainers are working on
	about 500 packages and improving Debian Linux.  Even more users are
	are filing bugreports if there should be any.

	Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  It is also very picky
	about security concerns and bugs.  Once a bug or security hint is
	reported it will be elilminated very quickly.  A new release of the
	package will soon occur on well-known ftp archives.

	For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to the
	files at <url url="ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/"> or visit our
	World Wide Web page at <url url="http://www.debian.org/">.

<tag/Internet Access:/ 
	Debian GNU/Linux is available via anonymous FTP from <url
	url="ftp.debian.org/debian/">,

<tag/Entry last modified:/
	12 June 1996

<tag/Editor's comments:/
	If you're interested in joining this project be invited to
	subscribe to either debian-user@lists.debian.org or
	debian-devel@lists.debian.org by sending a mail to
	debian-user-request@lists.debian.org (or debian-devel-request
	respectively) with the word "help" in the subject line.
</descrip>
-- End SGML -----------------------------------------------------------

And here's the formatted result:

-- Begin Text ---------------------------------------------------------
  4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution


     Distributor:
        Ian A. Murdock & The Debian Linux Association, Station 11, P.O.
        Box 3121, West Lafayette, IN 47906, USA

        Net: debian-user@lists.debian.org
        WWW:  <http://www.debian.org/>
        FTP:  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/>


     Provider's Description:
        Debian Linux 1.1 is a complete and fully-functional Unix-
        compatible operating system for the personal
        computer--specifically.  Debian 1.1 is completely ELF.  At the
        moment Debian Linux is only available for the IBM PC, but it is
        worked on versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha machines.

        Debian Linux is an easy to upgrade distribution that mostly
        consists of freely redistributable software from a number of
        different sources and systems.  Non-free packages are also
        available for the sake of a round system.

        The benefit of Debian Linux is it's upgradability, well defined
        dependencies between packages and its open development.  It is
        only distribution for Linux that is developed in the internet
        due to the spirit of Linux and free software and not by a
        handfull of individuals.  More than 100 package maintainers are
        working on about 500 packages and improving Debian Linux.  Even
        more users are are filing bugreports if there should be any.

        Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  It is also very
        picky about security concerns and bugs.  Once a bug or security
        hint is reported it will be elilminated very quickly.  A new
        release of the package will soon occur on well-known ftp
        archives.

        For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to the
        files at  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/> or visit our World
        Wide Web page at  <http://www.debian.org/>.


     Internet Access:
        Debian GNU/Linux is available via anonymous FTP from
        <ftp.debian.org/debian/>,


     Entry last modified:
        12 June 1996


     Editor's comments:
        If you're interested in joining this project be invited to
        subscribe to either debian-user@lists.debian.org or debian-
        devel@lists.debian.org by sending a mail to debian-user-
        request@lists.debian.org (or debian-devel-request respectively)
        with the word "help" in the subject line.
-- End Text -----------------------------------------------------------

Best regards,

	Joey

-- 
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Erick Branderhorst wrote:
> 
> > David Engel writes:
> > > Can you suggest a good introductory document for setting up and using
> > > pgp?
> I don't want to reinvent the wheel, please provide a step to step approach
> on what should be done. Or it is it far more complicated?

(1) install the pgp package
(2) generate a public/secret key pair by typing
      pgp -kg 
    and answering the questions. be prepared to write some
    arbitrary text when it's asked for. pgp generates it's
    true random numbers by measuring the intervalls between
    your keystrokes.

two comments:
- if you want to protect your privacy you should read /usr/doc/pgp 
  very carefully. this is the best introductory document on pgp
  i know of.
- to sign your .changes file just relax and let dchanges do the job.
  (by omitting the -p switch).

my $0.02
jjm

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Package: acct
Version: 6.1-0

The manpage and info documentation for sa describe a much better
program than is installed as /usr/bin/sa.

The documented program supports many more options; at least -D and -k
are missing from the implementation.

The documentation says that fields are labelled; they do not appear to
be:
valour:~> sa | head -10
   12366     106.64re      79.29cp
     387       0.43re      31.73cp   cc1
     383       0.09re       4.33cp   ps
     521       0.21re       4.21cp   cpp
       7       0.29re       2.98cp   xpilot
       5       3.48re       2.94cp   netscape-v112
     166       0.10re       2.83cp   gzip
      14       0.13re       2.45cp   find
     379       0.22re       2.20cp   as
      10       2.99re       1.77cp   emacs
Broken pipe
valour:~> 

Ian.

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Package: cfingerd
Version: 1.2.2-3

Description: Configurable finger daemon
 Cfingerd is a free finger daemon replacement for standard finger
 daemons such as GNU finger, or MIT finger. Cfingerd is highly becoming
 a respected standard as the finger daemon to use.  If you are unsure
 about which finger daemon to get, please read over this document before
 re-enabling your finger daemon!

Which document ?  In general this text is rather unhelpful; it doesn't
tell me why or whether I should use this fingerd rather than some
other.

Ian.

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

>    Why can we not put it in non-free?
> 
> It can't be made freely available on cdrom.  I don't think cdrom vendors are
> going to want to deal with "you can press our stuff, but leave out these
> files".

The non-free directory is for anything is not freely distributable.  CD
vendors already leave out those files.


Guy

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Package: magicfilter
Version: 1.2

The magicfilter package Recommends dvips, gs and pbmplus.  This means
that you can't easily install it using dselect without dragging the
whole of the TeX formatting stuff in, as well as gs and pbmplus which
you might not want either.

Surely it is reasonable to use magicfilter without having dvips, gs
or pbmplus ?  Perhaps you just want to print some subset of the files
supported by these applications ...

Ian.

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Package: base
Version: 1.1.0-7

Buddha Buck tells me that the 1.1.0-7 /usr/info/dir file ends like
this:
> 
> * Menu: The list of major topics begins on the next line.
> General Commands

There should be a blank line after `* Menu'; otherwise install-info
generates a separate Miscellaneous section.

Also, I think that `General Commands' should be called
`Miscellaneous', since it will be used (by install-info) for any info
pages which don't specify a section and not just for commands.

Ian.

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Package: pine
Version: 3.93-?

Some time ago I submitted a bug report which included the complaint
that Pine base64-encodes text attachments, so that Pine users
frequently send mail which the recipient's non-MIME-aware mailer can't
understand - despite the fact that MIME was carefully designed to
allow you to send messages which can be processed both automatically
by a MIME-aware mailer and manually with a simple cut-and-paste.

The package maintainer complained that this bug (#932, now
long-closed) contained many separate bug reports; so I closed it and
submitted (or so I thought) an number of replacement reports.

This particular one, however, got sent to debian-devel rather than
debian-bugs by mistake.  I've just noticed this because I wanted to
refer someone to the bug report.

When the bug system and debian-devel and everything are working again
I'll attach to the logs for this report a huge digest of all the
correspondence that has been had on this issue, so that it can be
perfectly clear to everyone what's going on.

This bug has been reported numerous times to the Pine developers by
practically everyone who has had to deal with the bad consequences of
this behaviour of Pine feature.  The Pine developers think it is a
feature.  I shall stop this message now before I become very rude
indeed about them.

Ian.

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Package: debianutils
Version: 1.2-2

The result of "cd /usr/src/linux; make install":

  sh ./install.sh 2.0.0 zImage /usr/src/linux/System.map ""
  /sbin/installkernel: syntax error near unexpected token `then'
  /sbin/installkernel: /sbin/installkernel: line 22: `elsif [ $# = 4 ] ; then'

It seems /sbin/installkernel should use "elif" rather than "elsif".

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Package: apsfilter                                             
Version: 4.9.1-7

The apsfilter package Recommends dvips, gs and xfig.  This means that
you can't easily install it using dselect without dragging the whole
of the TeX formatting stuff in, as well as gs and xfig which you might
not want either.

Surely it is reasonable to use apsfilter without having dvips, gs or
xfig ?  Perhaps you just want to print some subset of the files
supported by these applications ...

Ian.

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Package: procps
Version: 0.99-3

The psupdate man page documents psupdate as writing to
/etc/psdatabase, but in fact it attempts to write to /boot/psdatabase.

It would be best if one could supply an argunment which would control
where the output is written to.

- Richard

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Package: gopherd
Version: "2.1.1"-"2"

When installing this package I get the following script in /etc/cron.weekly:

#!/bin/sh
#
# cron script to rotate gopherd log files.
#
# Modified by Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.micro.umn.edu>
# for gopherd from syslogd log file rotation script by
# Ian A. Murdock <imurdock@gnu.ai.mit.edu>

LOGFILE=gopherd.log

cd /var/adm
echo "Rotating gopher log file:"
if [ -f  ]; then
  savelog -g adm -m 644 -u root -c 4 
fi
echo

First of all there shouldn't be an output for each run. And the test misses
the filename.

Besides both, gopherd and gopher-client are still AOUT.

Michael

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Package: sysvinit
Version: 2.62-1

The documentation of the random driver suggests some additions to the
boot, halt and reboot scripts to ensure unpredictability at system startup;
see linux/drivers/char/random.c . These additions are not present in
SysVinit; I'm including diffs based on the recommendations.

Please note that the current base (1.1.0-10) does not include /dev/random and 
/dev/urandom; bugs #2975 and #3039.

Note that the diffs are based on the assumption that it is best to do
the actions as early on in the boot process as possible (after having the
root fs rw, but before mounting local fs-s) and as late in the halt/reboot
as possible (after the killall and wtmp logging, but before deactivating
swap space).

Greetings,
Ray

--- /etc/init.d/boot.orig	Tue Jun 11 09:39:41 1996
+++ /etc/init.d/boot	Tue Jun 11 10:18:31 1996
@@ -108,6 +108,20 @@
   /etc/init.d/modules
 fi
 
+# Carry a random seed from start-up to start-up;
+# see documentation in linux/drivers/char/random.c
+if [ -c /dev/urandom ]
+then 
+  echo "Initializing random number generator..."
+  # Load and then save 512 bytes, which is the size of the entropy pool
+  if [ -f /etc/random-seed ]; then
+    cat /etc/random-seed >/dev/urandom
+  fi
+  dd if=/dev/urandom of=/etc/random-seed count=1 > /dev/null 2>&1 \
+      || echo "... failed."
+  chmod 600 /etc/random-seed
+fi
+
 # Mount local file systems in /etc/fstab.
 echo "Mounting local file systems..."
 mount -avt nonfs
--- /etc/init.d/halt.orig	Tue Jun 11 09:39:47 1996
+++ /etc/init.d/halt	Tue Jun 11 10:10:37 1996
@@ -18,6 +18,16 @@
 # Write a reboot record to /var/log/wtmp.
 halt -w
 
+# Carry a random seed from shut-down to start-up;
+# see documentation in linux/drivers/char/random.c
+if [ -c /dev/urandom ]
+then
+  # Save 512 bytes, which is the size of the entropy pool
+  echo "Saving random seed..."
+  dd if=/dev/urandom of=/etc/random-seed count=1 > /dev/null 2>&1 \
+      || echo "... failed."
+fi
+
 echo -n "Deactivating swap... "
 swapoff -a
 echo "done."
--- /etc/init.d/reboot.orig	Tue Jun 11 09:39:56 1996
+++ /etc/init.d/reboot	Tue Jun 11 10:10:27 1996
@@ -18,6 +18,16 @@
 # Write a reboot record to /var/log/wtmp.
 halt -w
 
+# Carry a random seed from shut-down to start-up;
+# see documentation in linux/drivers/char/random.c
+if [ -c /dev/urandom ]
+then
+  # Save 512 bytes, which is the size of the entropy pool
+  echo "Saving random seed..."
+  dd if=/dev/urandom of=/etc/random-seed count=1 > /dev/null 2>&1 \
+      || echo "...failed."
+fi
+
 echo -n "Deactivating swap... "
 swapoff -a
 echo "done."
-- 
POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 

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  This had some trouble getting through the first time, so I hope it
does better this time...

  I have reproduced the problem with kbdconfig, and produced a patch.
I'm not really sure what wants to done with the TERM variable, so it
may need a bit more work.  This should fix the major problems though.

  *** /usr/sbin/kbdconfig	Sat Jun  8 18:51:17 1996
  --- /usr/sbin/kbdconfig.ndt	Sat Jun  8 18:49:50 1996
  ***************
  *** 13,18 ****
  --- 13,19 ----
    then
	  OLDTERM=$TERM
	  . $CONFFILE
  + 	termtyp=$TERM
	  TERM=$OLDTERM
	  unset OLDTERM
    fi
  ***************
  *** 36,43 ****
    EOT
	  consdev=/dev/systty
	  echo -n "Select console type [linux]: "; read termtyp
  - 	test -z "$termtyp" && termtyp=linux
    fi
    cat << EOT

    Please choose one of the following keyboard tables for the VT devices:
  --- 37,44 ----
    EOT
	  consdev=/dev/systty
	  echo -n "Select console type [linux]: "; read termtyp
    fi
  + test -z "$termtyp" && termtyp=linux
    cat << EOT

    Please choose one of the following keyboard tables for the VT devices:
  ***************
  *** 46,56 ****
    (cd $LIBDIR/keytables; ls -x)

    echo -n "What keytable [$KEYMAP]: "; read keymap
  ! if [ -z "$keymap" -a -n "$KEYMAP" ] 
    then
  ! 	keymap=$KEYMAP
  ! else
  ! 	keymap=NONE
    fi

    cat << EOT
  --- 47,60 ----
    (cd $LIBDIR/keytables; ls -x)

    echo -n "What keytable [$KEYMAP]: "; read keymap
  ! if [ -z "$keymap" ] 
    then
  ! 	if [ -n "$KEYMAP" ]
  ! 	then
  ! 		keymap=$KEYMAP
  ! 	else
  ! 		keymap=NONE
  ! 	fi
    fi

    cat << EOT
  ***************
  *** 61,71 ****
    (cd $LIBDIR/consolefonts; ls -x)

    echo -n "What softfont (answer NONE to skip font loading [$SOFTFONT]: "; read softfont
  ! if [ -z "$softfont" -a -n "[$SOFTFONT" ]
    then
  ! 	softfont=$SOFTFONT
    else
  ! 	softfont=NONE
    fi

    echo -n  "Generating $CONFFILE... "
  --- 65,85 ----
    (cd $LIBDIR/consolefonts; ls -x)

    echo -n "What softfont (answer NONE to skip font loading [$SOFTFONT]: "; read softfont
  ! if [ -z "$softfont" ]
  ! then
  ! 	if [ -n "$SOFTFONT" ]
  ! 	then
  ! 		softfont=$SOFTFONT
  ! 	else
  ! 		softfont=NONE
  ! 	fi
  ! fi
  ! 
  ! if [ -z "$CONSOLE" -a -z "$consdev" ]
    then
  ! 	consdev=/dev/tty0
    else
  ! 	consdev=$CONSOLE
    fi

    echo -n  "Generating $CONFFILE... "

Neil Turton.
+--------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| Neil Turton, Assistant computer officer          | Snail Mail to:       |
| Part III mathematics student                     |  Churchill college,  |
| http://www.chu.cam.ac.uk/home/ndt1001/home.html  |  Cambridge. CB3 0DS. |
+--------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| GCM(M) d H s+:- !g p0>+ !au(-) a- w+ v C+++@ UL++++$(+++) P+ L+++ 3-    |
| E++ N-(+) K- W--- M-- V po Y+ t-- 5 !j R- G? !tv(-) b+ D+ B? e+++ u(*)  |
| h-- f !r>+++ n+ y?                                                      |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+



-- 
+--------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| Neil Turton, Assistant computer officer          | Snail Mail to:       |
| Part III mathematics student                     |  Churchill college,  |
| http://www.chu.cam.ac.uk/home/ndt1001/home.html  |  Cambridge. CB3 0DS. |
+--------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| GCM(M) d H s+:- !g p0>+ !au(-) a- w+ v C+++@ UL++++$(+++) P+ L+++ 3-    |
| E++ N-(+) K- W--- M-- V po Y+ t-- 5 !j R- G? !tv(-) b+ D+ B? e+++ u(*)  |
| h-- f !r>+++ n+ y?                                                      |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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I just upgraded to sysklogd from syslogd, and saw:

> Version 1.3 of the package is the culmination of about two years of
> experience and bug reports on the 1.2 version from both the INTERNET
> and our corporate Linux networks.

What is this paragraph for ?

> The default behaviour of syslogd has altered from 1.2 to 1.3. By default
> *no* messages from the UDP port are accepted.
> 
> Read the documentation in /usr/doc/base/sysklogd carefully. Some important
> things have been changed!

I don't think this is actually true.  If it is then perhaps the
postinst should do some more checks or something, or perhaps even
prompt the user.

Alternatively you could just leave the message in the release notes.

The filename /usr/doc/base/sysklogd is incorrect; the documentation is
actually in /usr/doc/sysklogd (a plain text file).

Ian.

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Package: apmd
Version: 2.4-1

Those APM users who have their system clocks set to GMT will notice an
annoying problem with apmd.  When resuming from suspension mode, the
daemon uses "clock -s" to reset the internal clock, which is incorrect
for clocks set to GMT (unless the user is in Greenwich).  The "-u"
flag must be used to inform the clock utility that the CMOS clock is
set to Universal Time.

As far as I know, the only thing in the Debian system that indicates
whether the CMOS clock is set to local time or GMT is the status of
the GMT variable in the /etc/init.d/boot file, which is set to "-u" if
Universal Time is used.  Perhaps there should be another way of
storing this information.

Here is one way to fix apmd for Debian systems:

--- apmd.c.orig	Sun Apr 21 16:49:56 1996
+++ apmd.c	Mon Jun 10 19:00:10 1996
@@ -348,7 +348,8 @@
 	 case APM_UPDATE_TIME:
 	 case APM_CRITICAL_RESUME:
 	    time( &then );
-	    system( "clock -s" );
+	    system( "if grep -q '^GMT=\"-u\"' /etc/init.d/boot; then"
+		    " clock -us; else clock -s; fi" );
 	    time( &now );
 	    check_power( 1, 0 );
 	    break;

--
Brian <brian@debian.org>

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Package: pcmcia-cs

This package has a minor bug in the postinst script.
(My fault from when I was maintaining it)

-Oly

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Hi,
I have just built the pcmcia-cs package for my notebook. Great job, thanks!
Actually, there is a minor problem that I suffered. When configuring the
package, dpkg doesn't check if carmgr is running. As I was running it, the
postinst script failed. Is this a minor bug or am I just plain stupid.

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Package: util-linux
Version: 2.5-2

fdisk and cfdisk should list partitions of type a7 as NEXTSTEP (this is
the exact spelling, no lower case, or use NeXT if a shorter name is needed
to indicate the partition type) ones, not as Unknown ones (and should add
it to the list of partitions types when the user is asked to choose a
partition type):

/dev/hda2          201      201      204     8064   a7  Unknown

Yves.

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Package: seesat5
Version: 0.90-1

This package puts it's example files in /usr/doc/example in steat of
/usr/doc/examples.


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Package: kernel-image-1.3.100

ne.o dosn't load with "insmod ne.o" when using this package... is says 
that the kernel versions dosn't match.   i suggest that the modules be 
recompiled.

using 1.1beta

(side note, this might be broken on the bootdisks too.)

	Corey Sweeney

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Package: kernel-image
Version: 1.99.7-0

When I install this kernel on my newly upgraded Debian-1.1 system, the
system hangs with a blank screen. I am not even able to telnet in, rlogin
or use the web server on the machine. Ctrl-alt-delete will reboot though. 

I recompiled this kernel using the kernel source package, leaving all the
options in their default state, except for the ps2 mouse which I compiled
into the kernel instead of as a module. It then worked fine. 

Just to check that compiling it myself made no difference, I recompiled
with ps2 mouse as a module (ie the default state) and using that again
causes my machine to hang. 

I've added psaux to /etc/modules explicitly, but this makes no difference.

Kernel-image-1.3.100 also hung, though I didn't recompile it, or test the
network services. 

Chris


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Package: nethack
Version: 3.1.3-3

Package: ncurses3.0
Version: 1.9.9e-1

If I recall the annoucement, nethack was rebuilt in a different form
(TERMINFO defined, or something like that?) so that the colors were
right.  Well, this had other side-effects -- for example, it
occasionally dumps garbage on the screen. For example, note that
5050505050 in the following, and the )5@ (which should be @f#, a ^r
refreshes the screen to show me, the cat, and open tunnel...)

This is running on a 1.2.13 kernel, but the terminal emulation code
(1) has not changed much in a long time (2) worked fine under nethack
3.1.3-2. If you have trouble reproducing it let me know (this showed
up in the first couple of minutes of play. Good thing the other users
here haven't noticed -- they'd be miffed :-)


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Subject: Bug#3269: bootdisk silently fails-change instalation manual
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the bootdisk will silently fail if there are bad blocks on the floppy 
disks that you are using to boot with.  I suggest adding the line:

before makeing the bootdisk/rootdisk/basedisks, format the floppies 
either under msdos with "format a: /u" or under linux with "mkdosfs -c 
/dev/fd0"

this would allert people that bad blocks exist on the disks.

version : 1.1beta



	Corey Sweeney

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Subject: Bug#3267: Unqualified hostnames in rstart
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Package: xbase
Version: 3.1.2-9

The man page for rstart says:

       The $DISPLAY environment variable is passed.  If it starts
       with a colon, the local hostname is prepended.  The  local
       domain  name should be appended to unqualified host names,
       but isn't.

I think that replacing the line:
  :*)     disp="`hostname`$DISPLAY"

with:

  :*)      disp="`hostname --long`$DISPLAY

would fix the problem. Alternatively -f or --fqdn could be used. I'm not
sure which is more likely to be portable.

Chris


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Subject: Bug#3224: apsfilter doesn't configure on a read-only filesystem
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Doug Geiger (runexe@ntplx.net) wrote on 5 June 1996 14:42:
 >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Carlos Carvalho wrote:
 >
 >> Package: apsfilter
 >> Version: 4.9.1-6
 >> 
 >> I mount the debian packages directory from the disk server. It's
 >> exported read only. I tried to configure apsfilter in a client, but it
 >> fails because it can't write to the filesystem. I think this is a bug.
 >> It should write to somewhere like /tmp.
 >
 >I'm afraid I don't understand, which file is it attempting to write, how
 >exactly is the filesystem mounted (where, etc.). Is it trying to write the
 >config files (in /etc), or the spool directories (in /var/spool/lpd)?

Sorry for the delay, I'm overwhelmed.

I mount the server directory in /usr/src/debian. It's done via amd.
The default mounting is read-write, but the server only exports it
read-only, so if the client attempts to write in sub-directories of
/usr/src/debian, including it, the write fails. Here's the msg that
appears:

                        ++++ INSTALLATION PROGRAM ++++
                         [ press return to continue ]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
This script automatically sets up a serial or parallel printer
spool directories in /var/spool/lpd will automatically be created as needed
------------------------------------------------------------------------
chmod: .: Read-only file system
dpkg: error processing apsfilter (--install)

followed by some other dpkg msgs. This probably means that the installation
script is trying to write something in the current directory.

On another issue, I found that the script filtersetup has a somewhat
non-portable construction. The following patch changes it:

--- filtersetup.orig    Tue Jun  4 18:12:02 1996
+++ filtersetup Wed Jun  5 16:34:40 1996
@@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
 # are we called by SETUP or are we standalone ?
 # if standalone, then grab APS_BASEDIR from /etc/printcap file
-if [ ! $APS_BASEDIR ]; then
+if [ -z "$APS_BASEDIR" ]; then
        APS_BASEDIR=`grep APS_BASEDIR /etc/printcap | cut -d ':' -f 2`
        export APS_BASEDIR
 fi

The problem is that if APS_BASEDIR is not defined, we get the
construction if [ ! ] do_something. This is compatible with the POSIX
specification of test(1), and works with bash, but fails with true
bourne shell. Notice that the portable construction is already used in
many places in apsfilter itself.

Finally, I think the index variable in the for loop in line 61 should
not be path. It's better to use another name, since some shells may
map PATH to path.

Carlos

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Subject: Bug#3274: typo in screen manpage
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package: screen
version: 3.7.1-4

.SH CUSTOMIZATION
The \*Qsocket directory\*U defaults either to $HOME/.screen or simply to
/tmp/screens or preferably to /usr/local/screens chosen at
compile-time. (/tmp/screen for debian)
               ^^^^^^^^^^^
actually, it is using /tmp/screens...

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Package-  netbase-2.03-1.deb

Bugs.... If the system is used as a masquerading host, any ftp-data
breaks when going through the machine....

I upgraded ipfwadm the problem was still there...
I down graded route and ifconfig from the version which are with
slakware 3.0, problem was stillthere...

I then downgraded the entire package to netbase 1.26-1 and then i added
ipfwadm, and everything is working great.. 

Note I had these problems with 1.99.14 and 2.0.0.

I had used this exact machine with  a severly deformed slackware 3.0  
system....

I decided to upgrade..  Debian is nice... 

dhh

 
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Subject: Bug#3266: system.fvwmrc has wrong pixmap paths
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Package: fvwm
Version: 1.24r.22

When I upgraded to Debian 1.1, my icons in fvwm disappeared. The location
of pixmaps and bitmaps has been moved, but /etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwmrc
still includes the old location.

The lines reading:
  PixmapPath /usr/include/X11/pixmaps/
  IconPath   /usr/include/X11/bitmaps/
Should now read:
  PixmapPath /usr/X11R6/include/X11/pixmaps/
  IconPath   /usr/X11R6/include/X11/bitmaps/

The directory /usr/include/X11 doesn't exist any more.

On a related point, I think it would be a good idea to add /usr/local/...
to the PixmapPath for locally available pixmaps.

A third comment:
There is an example of how to do xterms on remote hosts:

  *GoodStuff Dopey   rterm.xpm   Exec "" rsh dopey "exec xterm -T dopey
  -display $HOSTDISPLAY </dev/null >&/dev/null & "&

In order to get this to work properly, you need to start piping magic
cookies around. I've recently been told about the rstart command which
does this automatically. How about including an example which uses
the rstart command. 

Chris




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Subject: Bug#3224: apsfilter doesn't configure on a read-only filesystem
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Carlos Carvalho wrote:

> I mount the server directory in /usr/src/debian. It's done via amd.
> The default mounting is read-write, but the server only exports it
> read-only, so if the client attempts to write in sub-directories of
> /usr/src/debian, including it, the write fails. Here's the msg that
> appears:
> 
>                         ++++ INSTALLATION PROGRAM ++++
>                          [ press return to continue ]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This script automatically sets up a serial or parallel printer
> spool directories in /var/spool/lpd will automatically be created as needed
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> chmod: .: Read-only file system
> dpkg: error processing apsfilter (--install)
> 
> followed by some other dpkg msgs. This probably means that the installation
> script is trying to write something in the current directory.

I think I've fixed this - check out apsfilter-4.9.1-8

> On another issue, I found that the script filtersetup has a somewhat
> non-portable construction. The following patch changes it:
> 
> --- filtersetup.orig    Tue Jun  4 18:12:02 1996
> +++ filtersetup Wed Jun  5 16:34:40 1996
> @@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
>  # are we called by SETUP or are we standalone ?
>  # if standalone, then grab APS_BASEDIR from /etc/printcap file
> -if [ ! $APS_BASEDIR ]; then
> +if [ -z "$APS_BASEDIR" ]; then
>         APS_BASEDIR=`grep APS_BASEDIR /etc/printcap | cut -d ':' -f 2`
>         export APS_BASEDIR
>  fi
> 
> The problem is that if APS_BASEDIR is not defined, we get the
> construction if [ ! ] do_something. This is compatible with the POSIX
> specification of test(1), and works with bash, but fails with true
> bourne shell. Notice that the portable construction is already used in
> many places in apsfilter itself.

This is fixed in -8.

> Finally, I think the index variable in the for loop in line 61 should
> not be path. It's better to use another name, since some shells may
> map PATH to path.

I'll look at this later. Is it causing a problem?

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Package: perl
Version: 5.002-10

# dpkg -BORGiE /debian/devel/perl-5.002-10.deb
(Reading database ... 17967 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace perl (using .../debian/devel/perl-5.002-10.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement perl ...
Setting up perl ...
Creating Perl header files.  This may take a while...
\nIf possible, you should use Socket and/or some of the other modules.
h2ph has always been somewhat broken.

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Subject: Bug#3275: dpkg --no-act leaves control info in /tmp
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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.3elf

Having just done a "dpkg --no-act -GORBiE /debian" I now have 497
directories in /tmp, of the form /tmp/14417??? (presumably pid based.)
They contain control and pre/post/inst/rm files, and occupy nearly
2M... presumably dpkg is turning off one too many actions with --no-act,
namely the cleanup step.

In conjunction with
 grep 'to replace' gorbie-log  | awk '{ print $6 }' | sed s/\)// > gorbie-new
it is actually quite useful, and lets me pick and choose what I update
(particularly important on a running system...)

Thanks.

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Subject: Bug#3272: bug in root disks...
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I was installing off of the 6_2_1996 relase of the diskettes, and
having one HELL of a time getting a kernel with NCR-810 support to
work - I wish somewhere it said what support EXACTLY needs to be in
the kernel on the boot disk.  (I.e. ramdisk support, ums filesystem,
ext2, etc.)

Anyways, in desperation, I added EVERY possible filesystem to the
kernel on my boot disk, including ext (not ext2).  When this is the
case, mount defaults to think hard disk partitions are ext (not ext2)
and can't mount the partitions it creates.  I guess it should do a:
mount -t ext2 /dev/blah /target

(since it doesn't seem TOTALLY bogus to have compiled ext support into
a kernel and put it on a boot disk.)

Anyways, I finally got things working, but I think this is a bug.

Thanks for the awesome distribution - keep up the good work!

Later,
	Dale

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>>>>> "D" == Dirk Eddelbuettel <Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca> writes:


    D> You are missing the fact that a package "source" (now obsolete)
    D> is not the same as a package "kernel-source-1.3.100".

You mean missing from my bug report?

It seems to me that my brain is not missing anything, but that either
the perl package or the unstable tree is/was missing something.  Sorry
if I'm being dense:

I noticed 
  1) perl requires/required "source" 
  2) no package that provided (the virtual package) source seemed to
     be available in the unstable tree
  3) Though "kernel-source-1.3.100" was conceptually similar and
     probably provided the actual files perl needed, it did
     not coordinate with perl in dselect/dpkg.
  4) as a result of 1-3, I could not get a full version of perl going
     (could not run perlconfig properly).

So that seemed like something to report....

    D> Perl has been upgraded yesterday or so. Try version -10.

I will.



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   On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:
   > >  Why can we not put it in non-free?
   > 
   > It can't be made freely available on cdrom.  I don't think cdrom vendors are
   > going to want to deal with "you can press our stuff, but leave out these
   > files".

   ...but that is exactly what the non-free directory is for.

This seems to be the consensus.

It does seem like it would be good to distinguish between software cdrom
vendors are allowed (or encouraged) to copy, versus software they are
forbidden to copy.

(This is relevant to the netscape-installer issue, too.  Although netscape is
not free, it would be a shame to leave the installer off of cdroms.)

Maybe we need two separate directories here.

--Mike

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Package: manpages
Version: 1.11-3

root:man3# dpkg -S '~'
manpages: /usr/man/man3/getservent.3~
manpages: /usr/man/man3/readdir.3~
manpages: /usr/man/man3/ctime.3~
manpages: /usr/man/man2/getsockopt.2~
[...]
root:man3# dpkg -S .orig
[...]
manpages: /usr/man/man3/readdir.3.orig


mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)




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package: screen
version: 3.7.1-4

screen.postinst has:

#this is to remove the "/tmp/screens has incorrect permissions" after
#upgrading to this (3.7.1) version of screen from 3.6 or earlier.

rm -rf /tmp/screens

This means that if screen is upgraded while someone is using it, they
lose the ability to reattach -- because the pipe gets nuked. I haven't
looked at the sources to see if there is a way to recover (ie. to tell
screen to write a new pipe in place) but in the meantime, it might be
nice to protect this with a "killall -0 screen" and only do the remove
if the exit status of killall is non-zero. (A warning about running
screens might be nice... though if the whole thing is wrapped in a
check for the correct permissions, that would help too...)

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

> It does seem like it would be good to distinguish between software cdrom
> vendors are allowed (or encouraged) to copy, versus software they are
> forbidden to copy.

Huh?

non-free - forbidden to copy
everything else - allowed to copy


Guy

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Subject: gpm should provide gpm and libgpm

Package: gpm
Version: 1.06-1

As mc depends on libgpm.so.6 gpm should generate two packages,
gpm consisting of the programs gpm and gpm-root, and libgpm,
consisting of the library, header files and the like.

Regards,

	Joey

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Package: pcmcia-cs

The postinst script doesn't check for a running
cardmgr during install.  (Which is my fault from
when I was maintainer)

-Oly

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Hi,
I have just built the pcmcia-cs package for my notebook. Great job, thanks!
Actually, there is a minor problem that I suffered. When configuring the
package, dpkg doesn't check if carmgr is running. As I was running it, the
postinst script failed. Is this a minor bug or am I just plain stupid.

Thanks very much!
Luis.

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Package: bootdisk/rootdisk
Version: 1.1 BETA

When booting, the bootdisk loads drivers that lock up cheap ne2000 
clones.  this will cause the computer to hang during bootup when the 
ne2000 is in the computer, makeing it impossible to install via NFS.  

I suggest that the bootdisk be stripped of all drivers, and that the 
drivers be made as modules that reside of the rootdisk.  (which appears 
to have plenty of room to me, before it fills up a disk.)

if there are drivers that cannot be modularized, then i recomend makeing 
2 bootdisks, one with no drivers, and one with those drivers.  (then 
still using the same rootdisk)




	Corey Sweeney

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  Dirk> Perl needs tcsh for globbing. There were a couple of bug reports to
  Dirk> that extend.
  Ian>  No.  In the short term Perl should be configured to do its globbing
  Ian> without csh, and should not be made to depend on csh.
  Ian> 
  Ian> In the long term it should be fixed to use glob() of course.

Sure. I didn't mean to say that I like how perl depends on tcsh. 

I should have made it clear that it _currently_ depends on tcsh and that we
are aware of the problem as the different bug reports state.

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Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

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Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Bug#3230: why the hell does perl depend on tcsh???"):
...
> Perl needs tcsh for globbing. There were a couple of bug reports to that
> extend.

No.  In the short term Perl should be configured to do its globbing
without csh, and should not be made to depend on csh.

In the long term it should be fixed to use glob() of course.

Ian.

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  Ian>  We can't have packages that depend on non-free packages in the main
  Ian> distribution.  This will cause dselect problems for people without
  Ian> non-free.

Right. That's why I reported the bug on mailcrypt being in
unstable/binary-{all, i386}/misc.

  Ian> What we need is a free pgp to put in the main distribution.  I haven't
  Ian> had time to do this yet - ie, package up 2.3a.

That would be nice.

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Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Bug#3236: auto-pgp in non-free, mailcrypt in misc"):
> Package: (ftp.debian.org)
> 
> I am a little nitpicky here, but it is not too consistent that auto-pgp sits
> in non-free, and mailcrypt sits in binary-{i386,all}/misc. Both are GPLed and
> I recall that Ian J. wanted to have auto-pgp in non-free as pgp has to live
> there.
> 
> Now, aren't we all in favour of pgp? Shouldn't we foster it's use? Shouldn't
> auto-pgp be moved out of the closet and into the limelight, next to mailcrypt?
> 
> Comments? Ian?

We can't have packages that depend on non-free packages in the main
distribution.  This will cause dselect problems for people without
non-free.

What we need is a free pgp to put in the main distribution.  I haven't
had time to do this yet - ie, package up 2.3a.

Ian.

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Guy Maor writes ("Re: Bug#3244: (no subject)"):
...
> So POSIX provides getlogin().  The system keeps track of who's logged
> in for you.  But if you su to a user, the old user is still logged in.
> This is only a problem if you su to an id=0 account.

This is not a good explanation.  getlogin() should never return a
username whose uid is not the current ruid.

This is therefore a libc bug; I'm reopening it and assigning it to
libc (that is to say, I'm sending the message now that will reopen it
when the bug system is sorted out again).

Ian.

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Heiko Schlittermann writes ("Bug#3233: dselect for 1.1 as of June, 2nd"):
...
>         o After selecting the access method (CDROM) and selecting
>           packages to be installed dselect displayed:
> 
>           can't install from /stable/binary (or something similar)
>           since dpkg -iGROEB /stable/binary returned an error
>                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please tell me the error message.  I haven't a hope of figuring out
what's going wrong otherwise.

If you could demonstrate the bug while running dselect inside `script'
that would be ideal.   gzip and uuencode the `typescript' file and
mail it to me.

Ian.

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Guy Maor writes ("Bug#3237: dchanges is not y/-/_/ package-name aware"):
> Package: dchanges
> Version: 3.3

This transformation on package filenames has been abandoned; instead
we're using _ as the delimiter.

> Here is a fix:
[ deleted ]

dchanges will have to be changed to use the new notation.

Ian.

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(Note changed bugs CC - you'll find that this will work (when I run
the queue), though lists.debian.org is down so you haven't seen the
announcement.)

Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: Bug#3226: pkg update-alternatives confusion"):
...
> *** OK -- I see the "To return to automatic updates ..." message.  It had
> *** previusly gotten lost in the forest. 

If you have suggestions about which messages I should remove please go
ahead.

> # update-alternatives --auto vi
> Setting up automatic selection of vi.
> Checking available versions of vi, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
> (You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
> Updating vi (/usr/bin/vi) to point to /usr/bin/vim.
> Leaving vi.1 (/usr/man/man1/vi.1) pointing to /usr/man/man1/vim.1.
>  
> *** Hmmmm... I didn't want it set to vim, I just wanted it set back to
> *** auto and left pointing wherever it was pointing, so that subsequent
> *** installs and removes would update the /etc/alternatives links.

Could you please do `update-alternatives --display vi' ?

...
> # dpkg --status vim
> Package: vim
> Status: unknown ok not-installed
> Priority: optional
> Section: editors
>
> *** vim's not even installed.  I've now broken /usr/bin/vi.

Is there any vi package that set up its vi link as vim ?  Please grep
/var/lib/dpkg/info/* for vim ...

> # dpkg --version
> Debian Linux `dpkg' package management program version 1.2.0 (i386 elf).
> Copyright 1994-1996 Ian Jackson, Bruce Perens.  This is free software;
> see the GNU General Public Licence version 2 or later for copying
> conditions.  There is NO warranty.  See dpkg --licence for details.
> # exit

Thanks, that shouldn't make much of a difference.  I'd strongly
recommend moving to 1.2.3 ASAP though - 1.2.0 was rather buggy.

Ian.

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Juergen Menden, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>(2) generate a public/secret key pair by typing
>      pgp -kg 
>    and answering the questions. be prepared to write some
>    arbitrary text when it's asked for. pgp generates it's
>    true random numbers by measuring the intervalls between
>    your keystrokes.

Two other points:
1. Sign own key!  Without this protection, others can change the
   descriptive text on your key.
2. Add your key to the keyservers.  This allows folks to automatically
grab your key when they need it, compare it to your key fingerprint and
use it if it matches.  Using the keyserver is really easy, just send an e-mail message to
<pgp-public-keys@pgp.ai.mit.edu> with a subject line of "ADD" and a
body containing your public key block. (Mailcrypt allows you to do this
really easy, just use C-c / x).

Darren
- -- 
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Darren Stalder/2608 Second Ave, @282/Seattle, WA 98121-1212/USA/+1-800-921-4996
@ Do you have your clothes on? I probably don't. Take yours off. Feel better. @
@ Sysadmin, webweaver, postmaster for hire.  C/Perl/CGI programmer and tutor. @

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  Brian> Package: apmd 
  Brian> Version: 2.4-1
  Brian> 
  Brian> Those APM users who have their system clocks set to GMT will notice
  Brian> an annoying problem with apmd.  When resuming from suspension mode,
  Brian> the daemon uses "clock -s" to reset the internal clock, which is
  Brian> incorrect for clocks set to GMT (unless the user is in Greenwich).
  Brian> The "-u" flag must be used to inform the clock utility that the CMOS
  Brian> clock is set to Universal Time.

Are you sure? My laptop has bios time set to GMT as well, and it behaves
differently! I just checked:

Jun 12 13:59:30 bird apmd[142]: Version 2.4 (APM BIOS 1.1, Linux driver 1.1)
Jun 12 13:59:30 bird apmd[142]: Charge: * * * (-1% 0:01)
Jun 12 14:03:49 bird apmd[142]: Resume after 00:01:43 (-1% 0:01)
Jun 12 14:04:53 bird in.rlogind[289]: connect from miles.econ.queensu.ca    

I booted the laptop at 13:59, called 'apm --suspend' around 14:01, pressed
the power button to get back from suspension --- and my clock is allright.
Note that my /etc/init.d/boot is set to preserve GMT.

# Set GMT="-u" if your system clock is set to GMT, and GMT=""
# if not.
GMT="-u"
# Set and adjust the CMOS clock.
clock -s $GMT
if [ ! -f /etc/adjtime ]
then
  echo "0.0 0 0.0" > /etc/adjtime
fi
clock -a $GMT              

I had checked the -S and -s behaviour when I released apmd-2.4. I had left
the machine suspended for several hours, and had no problem whatsoever. Could
it be something else?

--
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Package: acct
Version: 6.2-0

I just had a system crash which resulted in a total lockup of the disk
containing my /var partition (for complicated reasons I won't go into
here).

When the system was rebooting I noticed a message from fsck about
inode such-and-such having an incorrect length; fsck set the length to
`counted', presumably to be equal to the total length of the allocated
blocks.

After the reboot I checked which file was involved.  It was
/var/account/pacct, and the length it had been set to was not a
multiple of 52 (the accounting record length).

This meant that the file was essentially useless - it didn't just have
some bogus data written around the crash, but all the data on the
`wrong' side of the crash was out of step.  I recovered the situation
as best I could by turning accounting off, truncating the file, and
then turning it back on.

I'd like accton (or perhaps the init.d scripts that call it) to check
that the file has a sensible length and do something appropriate if it
hasn't - pad it with nulls or truncate the partial record would do;
failing altogether would be better than producing an entirely
corrupted file.

Ian.

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:
> >  Why can we not put it in non-free?
> 
> It can't be made freely available on cdrom.  I don't think cdrom vendors are
> going to want to deal with "you can press our stuff, but leave out these
> files".

...but that is exactly what the non-free directory is for.

Steve Early
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>>>>> "CW" == Chris Walker <cjw1006@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

CW> magic cookies around. I've recently been told about the rstart
CW> command which does this automatically. How about including an

Could you share this with me?

TIA, Emilio.

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> 
> package: screen
> version: 3.7.1-4

Hey, the bug tracking mechanism is working again! good.

> 
> screen.postinst has:
> 
> #this is to remove the "/tmp/screens has incorrect permissions" after
> #upgrading to this (3.7.1) version of screen from 3.6 or earlier.
> 
> rm -rf /tmp/screens
> 
> This means that if screen is upgraded while someone is using it, they
> lose the ability to reattach -- because the pipe gets nuked.

That's right, and I'd like to add your killall -0 screen idea, but:

> it might be
> nice to protect this with a "killall -0 screen" and only do the remove
> if the exit status of killall is non-zero. (A warning about running
> screens might be nice... though if the whole thing is wrapped in a
> check for the correct permissions, that would help too...)

But what should I do if the exit status *is* non-zero? sacrifice
the working of screen because someone was running at install time?
(if you do have a old screen version, and don't remove the /tmp/screens,
you will not be able to run screen).

Also, what is this about checking the permissions? who's permissions?
Isn't root the only one running the screen.postinst script?

Anyway, thanks for the bug report (and for the spelling error),

-- 
joost witteveen
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          joostje@debian.org
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Use Debian Linux!

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valour$ pwd
/usr/doc/tkdesk
valour$ ls -l
total 186
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        21489 May  1 04:58 COPYING
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         5970 May  1 04:58 INSTALL
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         4370 May  1 04:58 README
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          337 May  1 04:58 debian.README
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       104601 May  1 04:58 guide.ps
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        22889 May  1 04:58 guide.sgml
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        22934 May  1 04:58 guide.txt

For example, the guide.ps file compresses down to just under 30k.

Please can these files be installed compressed?

Austin

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Maybe some of you remember the problems I discussed some time ago
about lprm not working when you try to remove a job in a remote
machine. I didn't hear from the maintainer, nor did I see a new
version of the lpr package, so here's a patch to lpr that fixes the
problem.

--- lpr-5.9/lpr.c.orig	Sat May 21 17:35:05 1994
+++ lpr-5.9/lpr.c	Wed Jun 12 15:22:16 1996
@@ -60,6 +60,7 @@
 #include <unistd.h>
 #include <stdlib.h>
 #include <string.h>
+#include <netdb.h>
 #include "lp.local.h"
 #include "pathnames.h"
 
@@ -128,6 +129,14 @@
 
 	name = argv[0];
 	gethostname(host, sizeof (host));
+	{ /* use the official host name, like lprm */
+		register struct hostent *hp;
+
+		if (hp = gethostbyname(host))
+			strcpy(host, hp->h_name);
+		else
+			fatal("unable to get official name for local machine");
+	}
 	openlog("lpd", 0, LOG_LPR);
 
 	while (argc > 1 && argv[1][0] == '-') {


Another problem is the one mentioned by IJ, that lprm kills the
instance of lpd that's printing the removed job. It finds the pid of
the process from the control files, but this isn't good because pids
are re-used. This is only a problem if the process that was printing
got killed without the files being removed; it's unlikely, but may
happen. I don't know how to fix this in an elegant way. One
possibility is to check that ppid of the one you want to kill is the
same as yours, since they all come from the same parent. However, I
don't know how to get the ppid of another process. It certainly is
possible, but maybe only in a linux-specific way.

The lpr suite has behaved like this from the beginning I think, and as
I don't have a good way to fix it I prefer to leave it as is.

Finally, another weird problem. lpd is complaining about invalid
printer names, but the printcap is correct; also, the behaviour is
somewhat erratic. To debug this I inserted a fprintf in the routine
that gets the hole lines from /etc/printcap, to show the full line,
and in the calling routine, to show the returned value. This is inside
a loop, that finishes when the printcap file ends. I also just made
the forked children exit immediately. This way I got a large dump,
with many repetitions of the printer entries, which is obviously
bogus. However, putting a fflush right after the two fprintf's the
problem disappeared completely!! Am I missing something or is there a
problem elsewhere?

Carlos

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Package: perl
Version: 5.002-7

/usr/bin/perlconfig builds the Perl header files (as far as I can tell,
since there is no manual page).  It is useless for an end user (it won't
even work).  So /usr/bin is the wrong directory, and it should be
/usr/sbin.


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Ian, Ian, Ian ... As you indicated in your post, this topic has been
discussed at great length.
I know your position on the subject backwards and forwards.
It doesn't matter!
The Pine Developers have made themselves equally clear on this subject.
They are not going to change this "feature".

My advice is that you could use your energy to more effect by teaching
everyone you contact on the subject that they should not use the
attachment feature of pine to send plain text. Control R is the "correct"
method for including plain text in an e-mail. The more users who
understand this issue, the fewer "broken" email messages you will recieve.

Unless you can show some compelling argument for leaving an unfixable bug
in the bug reporting system, I will mark this bug done (well, at least
dead).

Later,

Dwarf

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Package: giftrans
Version: 1.12-6

The copyright of this package looks free enough to me.  While
it does have "gif" in the name, reading the source reveals that
it does NOT perform any US-patented LZW compression!  It simply
changes a few things in the GIF header, and copies compressed
data as is.  So I think it should be OK to move it to the free
"graphics" section.

Compu$erve has a copyright (or was it a trademark?) on the GIF
format, but all they want is "give credit where credit is due"
- they require acknowledgement, probably no big problem for us.
One can be found near end of /usr/doc/copyright/xv for example.

Marek

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> Also, what is this about checking the permissions? who's permissions?

The permissions on /tmp/screens that this rm -rf is intended to fix.
(What brought it to my attention is that I went from 3.7.1-3 to -4,
which clearly *didn't* have anything wrong with /tmp/screens, but it
nuked it anyway.) I'd be happy with that check -- if anyone is still
running a version that does have the permission problem, there isn't
much we can do to save them, I suppose (since a chown/chmod won't
really be "safe".)

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The "buzz" directory was created on master.debian.org . Some of the mirror
sites are going to have trouble because the archive got a lot larger - it
is now more than 1 GB.

Some of your most recently uploaded packages may not have made it into
"buzz". If it's important that they get there, please check for them and
write to me if they should be moved in.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Package: linuxdoc-sgml
Version: 1.5-2

root:/root# dpkg -S '~'
[...]
linuxdoc-sgml: /usr/bin/sgml2txt~
root:/root# dpkg -S .orig
linuxdoc-sgml: /usr/lib/linuxdoc-sgml/prehtml.sed.orig
[...]

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Ian Jackson:
> We can't have packages that depend on non-free packages in the main
> distribution.  This will cause dselect problems for people without
> non-free.

In contrib maybe?  BTW, elm (which is free) recommends pgp too.

> What we need is a free pgp to put in the main distribution.  I haven't
> had time to do this yet - ie, package up 2.3a.

Maybe we should try to ask the author for permission?  (For non-US
distribution anyway, because of these silly US software patents.)

Marek

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eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us  wrote on 11.06.96 in <xe1vigxj4eo.fsf@maneki-neko.cygnus.com>:

> > when it is used as a one way hash.  Vi on genuine un*x systems uses
> > crypt() to encrypt your files (:X - of course you mustn't confuse
>
> Nope. Please don't confuse crypt(3) with crypt(1) [in "man page"
> notation, the C library function crypt() and the user-program crypt.]
> The latter is a modified Enigma-style rotor cipher, see also the Crypt
> Breaker's Workshop. debian does not include a package for crypt(1)
> [and if it did, it should be in the "games" section...]

Well, I have no idea what vi uses.

It's been some years since I last looked at the AT&T Unix crypt() man  
page, but I still remember that it is most definitely an encryption  
function.

However, the usual application for password encoding uses crypt() in a  
very strange way. I don't quite remember the details, but it's something  
like encoding data generated from the salt with other data generated from  
the password to produce the encoded password; decrypt()ing won't be able  
to reverse this.

MfG Kai

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> Unless you can show some compelling argument for leaving an unfixable bug
> in the bug reporting system, I will mark this bug done (well, at least
> dead).

A better (more accurate) choice would be to mark it as referred to the
upstream maintainer.

Last time I checked, this is a real semantics issue [it mucks up
line-ends when moving documents across different kinds of systems --
for example, unix to mac].  Unless it's going to be documented in a
fashion that makes this clear, this is at minimum a labelling problem.

Anyways, it shouldn't hurt to leave it as a referred bug...

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Brian White:
> I'm sure they do, but that's not the point.  The netscape "package"
> includes _nothing_ that is non-free.  Everything in it is, in fact,
> in the public domain.
> 
> Moving it to non-free would mean it did not get distributed on some
> or all of the CD-ROM distributions and I see no reason to limit it in
> this way.  I would be willing to move it to "contrib", but I still prefer
> it where it is.

contrib is better because the netscape package requires the user
install shareware to be meaningful.

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Joost Witteveen:
> But what should I do if the exit status *is* non-zero?

Exit with a non-zero exit code.  The package will be marked as not
fully installed, and can be re-installed when it's not a problem.

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Bruce Perens:
> > "dialog-0.9a" is a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack. Really nasty.
> > We need something better.
 
Ian Jackson:
> You have my profound sympathy.
> 
> Does anyone here have time to write a simple `dialog' clone ?

Hmm... a lot of what dialog does is trivial.  Some of what it does is
needlessly complex.  Is there some kind of cannonical list of the
needed features, or do we need to reverse-engineer the boot floppies?

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Dirk> Ian> We can't have packages that depend on non-free packages in the main
Dirk> Ian> distribution.  This will cause dselect problems for people without
Dirk> Ian> non-free.
Dirk> 
Dirk> Right. That's why I reported the bug on mailcrypt being in
Dirk> unstable/binary-{all, i386}/misc.
Dirk> 
Dirk> Ian> What we need is a free pgp to put in the main distribution. I haven't
Dirk> Ian> had time to do this yet - ie, package up 2.3a.
Dirk> 
Dirk> That would be nice.

Hmm. This won't work legally. The US citizens would have an licensing problem
with RSA Inc (this was the main incentive to release pgp 2.6.*)

#ifdef NASTYCOMMENT

Perhaps we should move the main mirror into e.g. U.K and introduce a
non-us directory?

#endif	/* Sorry, couldn't resist */

David
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Package: maelstrom
Version: 1.4.1-L6-2

(may be svgalib)

mouse action under maelstrom is, at best, useless, with ps/2 mouse.

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Raul

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Package: abuse
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abuse crashes when tries to save game as a normal user.

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(may be svgalib)

mouse action under abuse is, at best, useless, with ps/2 mouse.

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Package: sysvinit
Version: 2.62-1

/etc/init.d/boot sets up a path that doesn't include /usr/local/bin nor
/usr/local/sbin.  In my opinion, the PATH= from /etc/profile (supplied
by the bash package) should be used here as well.  It's rather silly
to have two different default paths for root.

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Raul

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Package: sysvinit
Version: 2.62-1

The preinst for sysvinit recommends that files in /etc/init.d be installed
unless "you have really changed any of these files".  Yet, /etc/init.d/network
has automatically populated entries for ifconfig and route.  Installing
sysvinit takes the machine off the net at the next boot.

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Raul

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Hi -

I guess the Debian master site has moved from master.debian.org. Does
anyone know where it is now located?

Thanks,


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To correct the problem with screen's postinst always removing /tmp/screens,
thereby cripling currently running processes, I would like to
add the following to the postinst. Could you please check that
this is what we want (I don't want to mess it up real bad just
before the final 1.1 release).

Thanks



[from screen's postinst, 3.7.1-5 (suggested)]:

#this is to remove the "/tmp/screens has incorrect permissions" 
#error message from screen 3.7.1 after upgrading to this (3.7.1)
#version of screen from 3.6 or earlier.


if test  "`ls -ald /tmp/screens|cut -d" " -f 1`" = "drwxr-xr-x"; then
 echo you seem to be upgrading from a post 3.6 version of screen.
 echo "If I'm wrong, plase type \"rm -rf /tmp/screens\" right after"
 echo installation, to avoid problems with permissions later.
else
  if killall -0 screen; then
    echo you seem to be upgrading from a pre-3.7 version of screen,
    echo but you still have screen-sessions running.
    echo This will cause problems with permissions of /tmp/screens,
    echo unless I remove this directory now.
    echo Unfortunately, if I remove /tmp/screens now, the running
    echo screen sessions will loose the ability to reattach.
    echo 
    echo Do you want me to remove /tmp/screens anyway "(adviced)",
    echo thereby cripling the current screen sessions, or shall I 
    echo leave screen unconfigured so that you can rerun the installtion
    echo later, when the screen sessions have ended?
    echo        type 
    echo " 1   to rm -rf /tmp/screens now"
    echo " 2   to leave screen unconfigured"
    read ans  
    if test "$ans" = "1"; then
      rm -rf /tmp/screens
    else
      exit 1
    fi
  else
    echo you seem to be upgrading from a pre-3.7 version of screen.
    echo "to avoid problems with permissions later, I'm now removing"
    echo '/tmp/screens (you should not notice this)'
    rm -rf /tmp/screens
  fi
fi




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Anyone ever see an io error (EIO) trying to do a TCGETS on the
device file for a serial port?

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Raul

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>>>>> "Dirk" == Dirk Eddelbuettel
<Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca> writes:

    Brian> Those APM users who have their system clocks set to GMT
    Brian> will notice an annoying problem with apmd.  When resuming
    Brian> from suspension mode, the daemon uses "clock -s" to reset
    Brian> the internal clock, which is incorrect for clocks set to
    Brian> GMT (unless the user is in Greenwich).  The "-u" flag must
    Brian> be used to inform the clock utility that the CMOS clock is
    Brian> set to Universal Time.

    Dirk> Are you sure? My laptop has bios time set to GMT as well,
    Dirk> and it behaves differently!

    Dirk> Could it be something else?

I think that I know what's going on.  The APM in my computer is
somewhat screwed up.  When you suspend, the apmd daemon does a normal
suspend, and I am guessing that your internal clock continues to run
during the suspended state.  When you resume, the kernel's time does
not need to be reset since the internal clock has been running.
However, when I suspend my laptop, everything shuts down, including
the internal clock.  Thus, when I resume, the apmd daemon receives an
APM_CRITICAL_RESUME event.  This event resets the kernel's time, which
is still set to the time when the computer entered the suspended
state, by executing the clock program.

Thus, your computer has never encountered this problem because your
apmd daemon has never received an APM_UPDATE_TIME or
APM_CRITICAL_RESUME event.

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 wbart3@ktb.net wrote:

> I guess the Debian master site has moved from master.debian.org. Does
> anyone know where it is now located?

No, it's still there.  master crashes alot though.  :(

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On 12 Jun 1996 rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:

> > Unless you can show some compelling argument for leaving an unfixable bug
> > in the bug reporting system, I will mark this bug done (well, at least
> > dead).
> 
> A better (more accurate) choice would be to mark it as referred to the
> upstream maintainer.
> 
This would work for me. How do I do that? Ian?

Thanks,

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You write:

}branderh@debian.iaehv.nl writes:
} > > Then I will be able to make a gettext package that will have *.1 defined
} > > containing
} > the gettext package (version 0.10.16) is available at this moment, 
} > I uploaded it today, so you might take a look at that first.

} > > 	.so man1/notdocumented.1

.so man7/undocumented.7


Gruesse,

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Package: apsfilter                                             
> Version: 4.9.1-7
> 
> Surely it is reasonable to use apsfilter without having dvips, gs or
> xfig ?  Perhaps you just want to print some subset of the files
> supported by these applications ...

These filters are recommended because you need them to print those types
of files. Would Suggesting them be sufficient?

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Brian C. White wrote:

>[...]                                        The netscape "package"
>includes _nothing_ that is non-free.  Everything in it is, in fact,
>in the public domain.
>
>Moving it to non-free would mean it did not get distributed on some
>or all of the CD-ROM distributions and I see no reason to limit it in
>this way.  I would be willing to move it to "contrib", but I still prefer
>it where it is.

I'd like to see the restriction keeping freely distributable (and
trusted, of course) binary-only packages out of the main distribution
lifted entirely.

I understand and appreciate that we very much prefer freely distributable
source.  However, I see that as an advocacy issue which should be
separated from the practical goal of offering the best and most useful
linux distribution we can to Debian users.


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Hello,

I will release a set of PPD files made available by Adobe in a week or
so. My problem, though, is that the installed set of files uses 9 Mb
of disk space... So I intend to split them in different packages.
I will certainly release a package by vendor (Apple, Agfa, Xerox, etc.).
Is this okay, if I also have a misc-ppd package for vendors with just
one product? Or do you have a better idea for splitting this huge
thing?

Yves.

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Hello,

I'd like to know if packages can add files to the list of files that
belong to them, and if yes, how it should be done.

My problem here is that I have a package that installs files that can
be automatically localized. I don't want to force a user to get files
localized for each language actually handled (in general, at this point
this is not a problem), so the postinst script is able to do the
localization of the files installed. But I would like have the generated
files marked as belonging to the package, and removed by dpkg. Is it
possible?

(I could add to /var/lib/dpkg/info/mypackage.list but I'd rather have an
install-additional command that does it but could be changed if the way
dpk stores the list of files changes; and in any case, does it suffice
to change the .list file)?

If not, I can still store the name of the generated files and remove them
in my postrm. But it's not as nice...

Yves.


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Good night folks,

This morning I wrote:

}Dirk Eddelbuettel has remarked that the text concerning Debian Linux
}is outdated in the Distribution-HOWTO.  This morning I took some time
}and wrote down what I think is important for this section.
}
}I announce this as a proposal.  I would be happy if any native english
}speaker or project leader would look through it and correct it.  As
}english is only my second language there probably will be mistakes.

I have received some corrections for my text.  This is the final
version that I will send to the maintainer if I get an ACK from Bruce
or Ian J.

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        Debian Linux is an easy-to-upgrade distribution that mostly
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        a handful of individuals.  More than 100 package maintainers are
        working on about 500 packages and improving Debian Linux.
        Debian sports a well-thought-out bug tracking system by which
        its users can easily report discovered bugs.

        Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  Snap-shot releases
        are made about every three months, the ftp archives are updated
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At Oliver Oberdorf's request, I have assumed the responsibility for
maintaining the pcmcia-cs package.  Since this package contains kernel
modules, it must be coordinated with the kernel package.  From what
the package creator, Oliver Oberdorf, has told me, I believe that
three proposals have been advanced to handle the kernel-PCMCIA
compatibility problem.  Please inform me if this is incorrect.

Option 1: The pcmcia-cs package remains complete as it now exists.  It
would be my responsibility to ensure that the binary package is
compiled for the latest kernel.  This is the current state of the
package.

Option 2: The modules are removed from the pcmcia-cs package and
placed in Simon Shapiro's kernel-image package.  The remaining binary
tools and config files remain in the pcmcia-cs package.

Option 3: The pcmcia-cs package is given to Manoj Srivastava to be
incorporated into his "kernel debianizer" package.

There are problems with incorporating PCMCIA into the kernel package,
the most important of which is size.  Adding the entire pcmcia package
to the kernel package will increase the size of the kernel-source deb
file by 576k or 10%.  The size of the kernel-image deb file will
increase by 283k or 33%.  Even if the binary tools and config files
are omitted, the PCMCIA modules alone will increase the size of the
kernel-image deb file by 113k or 13%.  Since the number of users with
PCMCIA hardware is small, do we really need to add the extra modules
to the kernel package?

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On 12 Jun 1996 rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:

> Package: abuse
> Version: 1.10-3
> 
> (may be svgalib)
> 
> mouse action under abuse is, at best, useless, with ps/2 mouse.

I have no problem with my PS/2 mouse, did you try export MOUSE_TYPE=PS2
(for bash - set MOUSE_TYPE PS2 for csh/tcsh)?
I'm pretty sure this is documented - though I may be wrong. I'm closing
this bug report.

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Bill Mitchell wrote:

> I'd like to see the restriction keeping freely distributable (and
> trusted, of course) binary-only packages out of the main distribution
> lifted entirely.
>
> I understand and appreciate that we very much prefer freely distributable
> source.  However, I see that as an advocacy issue which should be
> separated from the practical goal of offering the best and most useful
> linux distribution we can to Debian users.

Well, in contrib the program s are still available, I believe the issue
was that in contrib, we're saying 'we don't can't make the source freely
available so you can't check it for trojan horses or viri' (or the other
reason for contrib - ALPHA/BETA software like wine/dosemu). But I do see
your point (personally I'd just like to see some sort of resolution so I
don't have to move abuse back and forth).

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I want to look into the reported problem of the installation system
configuring the network number incorrectly (probably pilot error) and
the reported problem of "dselect" not working on CDs or mounted disks
and then it's release time.

There are a lot of things I would have liked to get right in 1.1 that
didn't happen, but I think we have reason to be very proud of this
release. Let's get it over with and get to work on 1.2 .

	Thanks

	Bruce

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Doug Geiger wrote:

>Well, in contrib the program s are still available, [...]

How about including contrib on the i-connect cdrom, with an
appropriate disclaimer?  Simon??


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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> I know your position on the subject backwards and forwards.
> It doesn't matter!
> The Pine Developers have made themselves equally clear on this subject.
> They are not going to change this "feature".

well, before you close this bug, can you please tell me what
stopps us from changeing this behaviour in our diff file?

i thought we all agree that this behaviour, although the 
upstream developers call it a feature, should be considered
a bug?!

jjm

ps: if this is question is already discussed in length too,
i apologize. sometimes i'm not able to read every single
msg on debian-devel... ;-((

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> ># dchanges ce=elisp-manual-19-2.4/debian.Changelog -n -e *19-2.4-2*
> >Deb file ok: elisp-manual_19-2.4-2_all.deb
> >WARNING: old style file name: elisp-manual-19-2.4-2.tar.gz
> >          should be: elisp-manual_19-2.4-2.deb      ~~~~~~
> 
> I think this is right:
> >WARNING: old style file name: elisp-manual-19-2.4-2.diff.gz
> >          should be: elisp-manual_19-2.4-2.diff.gz
> >                                 ~
What is smart in this situation?
Erick

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> My advice is that you could use your energy to more effect by teaching
> everyone you contact on the subject that they should not use the
> attachment feature of pine to send plain text. Control R is the "correct"
> method for including plain text in an e-mail. The more users who
> understand this issue, the fewer "broken" email messages you will recieve.
Is it possible to configure smail, or some mail engine so that it returns
such kind of messages with an appropriate explanation how it should be done.
Or will this increase net usage enormously?

Erick

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Hi,
>>"Brian" == Brian Mays <bem5r@neutron.mane.virginia.edu> writes:

Brian> Option 3: The pcmcia-cs package is given to Manoj Srivastava to
Brian> be incorporated into his "kernel debianizer" package.

	Umm, not to be a wet blanket or anything, but there are
 serious problems with option 3:
	a) I don't have a laptop, and can't test the package
	b) The kernel-package package  does not contain any
	   executables, so it is at the moment architecture
	   independent, and I belive the pcmcia module is not
	c) The kernel package package is a small 23K package, adding
	   576K to this is an 2300% increase
	d) The kernel-package package has little to do with the
	   modules generated.
 I urge you to reconsider this option.

	manoj
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Mark W. Eichin writes:
> See "dpkg-divert" -- it's the same way color-xterm replaces xterm. The
> old executables are moved out of the way, but kept around, so that if
> you "dpkg --remove gnat" the old ones are restored. When you do the
> install, dpkg-divert tells you explicitly what paths it is using (in
> this case I've had it add ".orig-gcc" to the end of the original
> names.)

I see.

> > Are these files supersets of the old one?
> 
> Yes. gcc (which, remember, is only the top level driver, not a
> compiler) simply adds support for the pathnames and passes used by

Yep, should have thought about that myself. Sorry. 

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Package: ae
Version: 962-6
  
When editing ae inserts both, CR and LF at the end of a line. This is MSDOS
style but some UNIX commands don't like it. For instance I broke a line in
a makefile and used '\' to make it continuous. However, make didn't accept
it because the actual character was '\^M'.

Michael

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Darren/Torin/Who Ever... writes:
> >>   o  Xemacs
> >
> >Has been released a while ago.
> 
> It has?  Where is it?

I have to admit I didn't find it, too. I downloaded it from Incoming as
while ago. Running dpkg -s xemacs says:

Package: xemacs
Status: install ok installed
Priority: standard
Section: editors
Maintainer: Prud'homme Christophe <prudhomm@asci.fr>
Version: 19.13-1
Depends: xlibraries, xpm
Conflicts: elv_ctags
Description: This is the xemacs-19.13 package for debian. Look in /usr/doc/xemacs-19.13/example.emacs as a .emacs example file.

I don't know what happened to it. Does anyone know?

Michael

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> I don't know what happened to it. Does anyone know?
It is on HOLD. Check Incoming/HOLD

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Erick Branderhorst writes:
> > I don't know what happened to it. Does anyone know?
> It is on HOLD. Check Incoming/HOLD

I couldn't find it there, too. Hmm, maybe I should have a close look :-)

Michael

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> Erick Branderhorst writes:
> > > I don't know what happened to it. Does anyone know?
> > It is on HOLD. Check Incoming/HOLD
> 
> I couldn't find it there, too. Hmm, maybe I should have a close look :-)
> Michael
Hmm, first think, then check, think again, recheck, and then talk. I checked
and it is NOT in HOLD. Sorry. I don't know where it went.

Erick

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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
> 
> Sure. I didn't mean to say that I like how perl depends on tcsh. 

then change it!
perl is already able to do the globbing without using the csh!
it only uses the csh if the pr"aprocessor symbol CSH is set
on compile time, it should be fairly easy to you to unset CSH.

for a description what happens just grep for CSH on the sources,
and you will see that if no csh is available (tested at compile
time through the CSH symbol) that it will use the /bin/sh with
echo and tr to get the same result. and best of all: nothing bad
happens!

in doio.c: 
   one check disabled. now if you run a csh from within perl
   it will be started through /bin/sh and not directly.
   this does not hurt.
in pp_hot.c:
   here you find the code that calls csh #ifdef CSH for globbing,
   or #else calls /bin/sh with echo and tr.
in pp_sys.c:
   only the line
     *SvPVX(rs) = '\n';
   is added #ifndef CSH. i'm not really sure what this line 
   really does, but i would be really surprised if it hurts
   anything.

sorry if i'm harsch, but this is at minimum the third time it
is pointed out to you and i have never seen an answer, rather
that you insist to keep perl depend on csh. at least: if you 
do not want to remove the CSH, which very well might be right, 
could you please tell us why? i do not see any problems with
this, even though i've not yet tried it. 

jjm

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Juergen Menden wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > 
> > I know your position on the subject backwards and forwards.
> > It doesn't matter!
> > The Pine Developers have made themselves equally clear on this subject.
> > They are not going to change this "feature".
> 
> well, before you close this bug, can you please tell me what
> stopps us from changeing this behaviour in our diff file?

I assume you mean modify the source to change the behavior? There are two
reasons for not doing this. First, it would create a version of Pine that
was vastly different than all others versions in existance. This would not
fix the problem of recieving such mail, as all the other versions of Pine
would still have this behavior. Second, just how would the feature be
crippled? Remove the attachement facility entirely? If not, how does one
determine whether mime encoding should occur? Must the message be 7 bit
clean?


> 
> i thought we all agree that this behaviour, although the 
> upstream developers call it a feature, should be considered
> a bug?!
> 
Well ... some (not all) do agree with you, but others don't. If everyone
agreed with you, there would be no use of this feature and it would not be
a problem

> jjm
> 
> ps: if this is question is already discussed in length too,
> i apologize. sometimes i'm not able to read every single
> msg on debian-devel... ;-((
> 
This has been discussed at length, but a quick rehash for new maintainers
is probably a good idea ;-)

Luck,

Dwarf

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Date: 13 Jun 96 10:20 UT
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I've played with packaging Xemacs (the prior package was a.out, BTW),
and once 19.14 is out (which has a supposedly-hard date of 23 June),
I'll look at releasing it.

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> 
> Package: xfig
> Version: 3.1.4b-2
> 
> When upgrading an existing version of xfig, it does not prompt the
> installer for color or mono app defaults, just blindly installs a link
> to the color app defaults.  Shouldn't it either
> 
> a) prompt in this case
> b) keep what's there?

Are you sure? From the xfig.postinst:

   cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults
   if [ -e Xfig -o -h Xfig ]
   then
   	   exit 0
   fi
   
   echo "There are two application defaults (app-defaults) files for xfig -- Xfig-mono"
   echo -e "and Xfig-color.  Which one would you like to use? [c/m] \c"
   read ANSWER
 
   [go on making the symlinks]

OK the symlink it makes for a mono display is wrong, but that's different:).

I'll be releasing a new and improved xfig shortly.

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>>>>> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava writes:

    Manoj> d) The kernel-package package has little to do with
    Manoj> the modules generated.

Apparently, I was mistaken.  The question now is whether to place the
PCMCIA modules in the (i386) kernel package.

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> Ok, but i would say: let's skip version numbers and go to 2.x!
What is in a name or a number. This sounds very much Mikro.... like.

Erick 

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>>>>> rdm  writes:


> /etc/init.d/boot sets up a path that doesn't include /usr/local/bin
> nor /usr/local/sbin.  In my opinion, the PATH= from /etc/profile
> (supplied by the bash package) should be used here as well.  It's
> rather silly to have two different default paths for root.

No it is not.  It is the basic law of system administration that during
system setup the PATH should be as short as possible and only include
_MACHINE_LOCAL_ path names (/usr/local might be shared over NFS!).

To make it short: The boot script should use the following PATH setting

  PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin

Note that the sbin directories come first to allow you to provide
static binaries like /sbin/sh to avoid dependency on possibly missing
shared libs.  Especially diskless systems need this! 

Dominik

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>>>>> Bruce Perens writes:

> There are a lot of things I would have liked to get right in 1.1
> that didn't happen, but I think we have reason to be very proud of
> this release. Let's get it over with and get to work on 1.2 .

Ok, but i would say: let's skip version numbers and go to 2.x!

Reasons:
- Debian is mature enough and a version number of 1.2 looks inferior
  to Slackware 3.x or Red Hat 3.x
- Let's tie the debian release number to the kernel release number,
  meaning Linux 2.0 -> Debian 2.0, Linux 2.1 -> Debian 2.1 and so on.
  If we want Debian to become a standard distribution, that is the way
  to go.

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Bruce Perens said:
> I want to look into the reported problem of the installation system
> configuring the network number incorrectly (probably pilot error) and
> the reported problem of "dselect" not working on CDs or mounted disks
> and then it's release time.

After release time, will the contents of the 'buzz' directory be frozen? And
all updates put into the 'unstable' directory? Or will 'buzz' be updated as
updated packages become available?


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Michael Meskes <meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>
> When editing ae inserts both, CR and LF at the end of a line. This is MSDOS
> style but some UNIX commands don't like it. For instance I broke a line in
> a makefile and used '\' to make it continuous. However, make didn't accept
> it because the actual character was '\^M'.

That's not the behavior I see.

1.  When editing a new file or a unix-style text file, ae treats \n 
    line terminators as might be expected from a unix editor.

2.  When editing an existing file which has \r\n line terminators
    (e.g., a file produced by script(1)), ae uses \n line terminators
    for any added lines.  However, ae does not display the or treat the
    \r part of the \r\n line terminators already in the file in any way
    that would alert the user that they're there.  In fact, it seems
    to try to hide the fact that there are \r\n line terminators in
    the file from the user by attempting to handle both \n and \r\n
    line terminators appropriately.

Perhaps you're doing something different than I am.  Could you
let me know exactly how to duplicate this problem as you see it?
(To spare the list the noise on this, it'd probably be best to
Cc: quiet@bugs.debian.org instead of bugs.debian.org).

I think it might be useful to have ae treat the \r part of a \r\n
line terminator just like it treats \r chars encountered elsewhere
(i.e., display them as "^M", and treat them as unrecognized control
chars).  Comments?

I'll try to find time to look into this.

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> > I know your position on the subject backwards and forwards.
> > It doesn't matter!
> > The Pine Developers have made themselves equally clear on this subject.
> > They are not going to change this "feature".
> 
> well, before you close this bug, can you please tell me what
> stopps us from changeing this behaviour in our diff file?

I think having different behavior on our system compared to other
distributions is a "bad idea" (tm).

> i thought we all agree that this behaviour, although the
> upstream developers call it a feature, should be considered
> a bug?!

No, not everyone.  I agree with how Pine does things.  If you
want to attach something then it goes through mail encoded such
that absolutely _nothing_ can be changed.  Plain-text can be
altered.  If you want to send plain text, then simply include
the file instead.  Makes perfect sense to me.

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Dominik Kubla <dominik.kubla@uni-mainz.de>

> - Let's tie the debian release number to the kernel release number,
>   meaning Linux 2.0 -> Debian 2.0, Linux 2.1 -> Debian 2.1 and so on.
>   If we want Debian to become a standard distribution, that is the way
>   to go.

Please, let's not do this.  There have been major changes in the
distribution which are totally unrelated to kernel versions
between debian 0.x and 1.x.  This is what a change in the major
version number of the distribution should indicate.

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You (Bruce Perens) wrote:
> The "buzz" directory was created on master.debian.org . Some of the mirror
> sites are going to have trouble because the archive got a lot larger - it
> is now more than 1 GB.
> 
> Some of your most recently uploaded packages may not have made it into
> "buzz". If it's important that they get there, please check for them and
> write to me if they should be moved in.

Are you going to create a buzz-updates directory as well where packages
can go that need to be updated (security fixes, whatever) after "buzz"
is released as 1.1 ? (Might as well be an "1.1-updates" directory then).

I think it is very important that "buzz" gets really frozen (for CDs)

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>>>>> "MS" == Martin Schulze <joey@finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE> wrote:

MS> I have received some corrections for my text.  This is the final
MS> version that I will send to the maintainer if I get an ACK from
MS> Bruce or Ian J.

It's too late for some comments?

MS> -- Begin Text ------------------------------------------------

MS>   4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution


MS>      Distributor: The Debian Linux Association, Software in the
MS> Public Interest, P.O. Box 70152, Pt. Richmond CA 94807-0152

MS>         Net: debian-user@lists.debian.org WWW:
MS> <http://www.debian.org/> FTP: <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/>


MS>      Provider's Description: Debian Linux is the result of a
MS> volunteer effort to create a high-quality non-commercial Linux
MS> distribution.  Debian Linux 1.1 is a complete and fully-functional
MS> Unix-compatible operating system for the personal computer.  It is
MS> completely ELF, but can also get to work like an a.out system.  At
                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don't understand this. Do you mean that the user can make a
downgrade to 0.93 (a.out)? Or do you mean that Debian can run a.out
binaries as well?

What about "It is a completely ELF system, but can run a.out binaries
as well"?

MS> the moment Debian Linux is only available for the IBM PC, but it
MS> is beeing worked on versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha
MS> architectures.

MS>         Debian Linux is an easy-to-upgrade distribution that
MS> mostly consists of freely redistributable software from a number
MS> of different sources and systems.  Non-free packages are also
MS> available for the sake of a well-rounded system.

MS>         The benefits of Debian Linux are its upgradability,
MS> well-defined dependencies between packages, and its open
MS> development.  It is the only distribution for Linux that is beeing

At some point here I think it's important to emphasize that you can
make upgrades without having to install everything from scratch.

MS> developed in the internet due to the spirit of Linux and free
MS> software and not by a handful of individuals.  More than 100
MS> package maintainers are working on about 500 packages and
MS> improving Debian Linux.  Debian sports a well-thought-out bug
MS> tracking system by which its users can easily report discovered
MS> bugs.

MS>         Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  Snap-shot
MS> releases are made about every three months, the ftp archives are
MS> updated every day.  It is also very picky about security concerns
MS> and bugs.  Once a bug or security hint is reported it will be
MS> eliminated very quickly.  A new release of the package will soon
MS> occur on well-known ftp archives.

MS>         For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to
MS> the files at <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/> or visit our World
MS> Wide Web page at <http://www.debian.org/>.


MS>      Internet Access: Debian Linux is available via anonymous FTP
MS> from <ftp.debian.org/debian/> and on a
MS> <http://www.debian.org/mirrors.html> near to you.


MS>      Entry last modified: 13 June 1996


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Package: xcal
Version: 4.1-2

On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, Austin Donnelly wrote:

> xcal shouldn't mark its app-defaults as conffiles.
> 
> Bug#2717

Austin

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I've arranged for this field to contain the address of the submitter
of the message (usually the submitter of the bug report) and the
address <nnnn>@bugs.debian.org.

This means that a plain `reply', rather than `reply to all recipients'
or `followup', will hopefully put something useful in the To field for
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It is better to reply to messages at <nnnn>@bugs.debian.org (and
<nnnn>-maintonly, &c), so that people who follow up don't have to
preserve the Subject.

Ian.

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>>>>> "DK" == Dominik Kubla <dominik.kubla@uni-mainz.de> wrote:

DK> Ok, but i would say: let's skip version numbers and go to 2.x!

DK> Reasons: - Debian is mature enough and a version number of 1.2
DK> looks inferior to Slackware 3.x or Red Hat 3.x 

Maybe we should do the same thing that M$ did when it released Word 3
as Word 6, just because its concurrent (WordPerfect) were at a higher
version numbering... 

And what about Intel that called the DX4 "DX4" when it should be "DX3"?

What about Debian 4? Users would love this.

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Dominik Kubla wrote:

> ... let's skip version numbers and go to 2.x!
> 
> Reasons:
> - Debian is mature enough and a version number of 1.2 looks inferior
>   to Slackware 3.x or Red Hat 3.x

Hmm, does it really?  A high version number can also make it look like
there was major things wrong/missing with the earlier versions.  If we
stick to Bruce's schedule of releasing a new stable version every three
months, we'll be up to version 10 in two years. 

I prefer the "major-minor" method of numbering releases.

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I don't know if we should create a 1.1-updates directory or if we should
simply point people at the moving-target version. Some discussion might
help.

	Bruce

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Austin Donnelly wrote:

> For example, the guide.ps file compresses down to just under 30k.
> 
> Please can these files be installed compressed?

Yep, I've already got TkDesk 1.0b1 on my to-do list.  I'll make sure
that the /usr/doc/tkdesk files are compressed.

I hope to have time to work on this sometime in the next week or so.

Craig

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> > Control R is the "correct" method for including plain text in an e-mail. 

That depends.  Attachments are easier to handle for people with mime'd
mailers.

> Is it possible to configure smail, or some mail engine so that it returns
> such kind of messages with an appropriate explanation how it should be done.
> Or will this increase net usage enormously?

It's a bad idea.  It will _really_ annoy people.

(The single most important problem with MIME is that people fight so much
about it.  MIME may be big, it may be complicated, but it's a standard,
and it does make things better in the long run.)


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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote:

> > > Control R is the "correct" method for including plain text in an e-mail. 
> 
> That depends.  Attachments are easier to handle for people with mime'd
> mailers.

I strongly disagree. Pine is a mime'd mailer. I use Pine. I hate getting
mail with attachments! Attachments are not easier to handle! Any other
mail I just press enter off the index list (or 'N'ext) and I can read the
posting. But with attachments you first have to ask to view the file, and,
most often, then must save the file before you can view it (outside the
mail agent) because many text files are improperly identified.

I must point out that there are several Debian maintainers who submit
their upload announcements as attachments. I find this so obnoxious that I
just delete such mail, out of hand.

> 
> > Is it possible to configure smail, or some mail engine so that it returns
> > such kind of messages with an appropriate explanation how it should be done.
> > Or will this increase net usage enormously?
> 
> It's a bad idea.  It will _really_ annoy people.
> 
> (The single most important problem with MIME is that people fight so much
> about it.  MIME may be big, it may be complicated, but it's a standard,
> and it does make things better in the long run.)
> 
Just because it is a standard, doesn't mean you should use it in a
universal fashion. The RS232 standard does not apply to parallel ports.
Neither should MIME encoding be used on plain text files, unless the file
is a like a diff file and must get through filters, character intact.
It is only that task that mime was designed to solve. It's indescriminate
use has caused more problems than it was supposed to solve.

DON'T MIME ENCODE PLAIN TEXT DATA! Specialy if your intent is to
communicate with a human at the other end. (Or a reasonable approximation
thereof ;-)

Later,

Dwarf

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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> I don't know if we should create a 1.1-updates directory or if we should
> simply point people at the moving-target version. Some discussion might
> help.

I'f we're actually going to be able to hold to the new release every
few months cycle, then I think it's probably sufficient just to point
people to the moving-target version, and it may be less confusing than
having three categories: last-stable, stable-updates, moving-target.

(my 2 cents)
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> It's too late for some comments?

No, not too late yet. I added one or two comments here. I think
we can put this through another round or two of proposal-and-editing
before we submit it.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> I don't know if we should create a 1.1-updates directory or if we should
> simply point people at the moving-target version. Some discussion might
> help.
> 
As you may know, I feel strongly that the "release", whatever that is,
should be a static "thing". While development should continue, it should
do so elsewhere.

Thanks,

Dwarf

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  Dale> I must point out that there are several Debian maintainers who submit
  Dale> their upload announcements as attachments. I find this so obnoxious
  Dale> that I just delete such mail, out of hand.

You will get flamed for this, and rightly so. 

All that these maintainer, your's truly included, do is to use mailcrypt to
PGP sign a posting. Emacs doesn't even know what an attachment is. Too bad
for pine, or rather the pine user, if this encoding isn't recognised
properly. 

We won't get anywhere with this discussion. We heard it all before. Pine
exists, and some users will want it. Such is life. Let's not unload our
frustation with an upstream design issue on the Debian maintainer. We all
have things to do.

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> posting. But with attachments you first have to ask to view the file, and,
> most often, then must save the file before you can view it (outside the
> mail agent) because many text files are improperly identified.

Tell pine to pipe the file to cat.


Guy

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   I don't know if we should create a 1.1-updates directory or if we should
   simply point people at the moving-target version. Some discussion might
   help.

The moving-target option looks good except for one (big) worry--the
possibility that a significant package with a significant bug will be present
at the moment that some significant outfit presses a cdrom of Debian.  The
Debian gets a rep as being buggy, etc.

In an alternative scenario, multiple cdrom vendors press multiple snapshots,
meaning that a single coherent errata statement (a la Redhat) is not possible.

I think we should go with the frozen, or nearly frozen snapshot (where "nearly
frozen" would mean only serious bugfixes).  This concept seems to work well
for kernel releases, and I think it would work well here, too.

--Mike

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>>>>Control R is the "correct" method for including plain text in an e-mail. 
>>
>>That depends.  Attachments are easier to handle for people with mime'd
>>mailers.
>
>I strongly disagree. Pine is a mime'd mailer. I use Pine. I hate getting
>mail with attachments! Attachments are not easier to handle! Any other
>mail I just press enter off the index list (or 'N'ext) and I can read the
>posting.

I would argue that this is poor user interface design in Pine, not an
inherent feature of attachments.

>Just because it is a standard, doesn't mean you should use it in a
>universal fashion. The RS232 standard does not apply to parallel ports.
>Neither should MIME encoding be used on plain text files, unless the file
>is a like a diff file and must get through filters, character intact.
>It is only that task that mime was designed to solve. It's indescriminate
>use has caused more problems than it was supposed to solve.
>
>DON'T MIME ENCODE PLAIN TEXT DATA! Specialy if your intent is to
>communicate with a human at the other end. (Or a reasonable
>approximation thereof ;-)

It looks, from reading this, as if you've seriously confused MIME and
BASE64.  Please tell me this isn't true...

I can see why Pine might lead one to believe that MIME and BASE64 were
the same, given that it is so resistant to doing anything with MIME
without also BASE64ing everything in sight.

- Richard (who thinks Pine should MD5 and then BASE64 its message ids
           - they'd be shorter...)

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You (Mike Coleman) wrote:
>    From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
> 
>    I don't know if we should create a 1.1-updates directory or if we should
>    simply point people at the moving-target version. Some discussion might
>    help.
> 
> The moving-target option looks good except for one (big) worry--the
> possibility that a significant package with a significant bug will be present
> at the moment that some significant outfit presses a cdrom of Debian.  The
> Debian gets a rep as being buggy, etc.
> 
> In an alternative scenario, multiple cdrom vendors press multiple snapshots,
> meaning that a single coherent errata statement (a la Redhat) is not possible.
> 
> I think we should go with the frozen, or nearly frozen snapshot (where "nearly
> frozen" would mean only serious bugfixes).  This concept seems to work well
> for kernel releases, and I think it would work well here, too.

I like Guy Maors suggestion (that was mailed to debian-private) the best.
It keeps the mirror size down, and a release is a release. "buzz" must
be frozen. Otherwise you never know what version of buzz is on a CD.
buzz-fixes or buzz-upgrades cannot be frozen but that is OK. We do need
a ChangeLog in the buzz-upgrades directory though so that you can check if
a CD has all the nessecary upgrades on it.

Mike.
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You (rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu) wrote:
> Package: sysvinit
> Version: 2.62-1
> 
> The preinst for sysvinit recommends that files in /etc/init.d be installed
> unless "you have really changed any of these files".  Yet, /etc/init.d/network
> has automatically populated entries for ifconfig and route.  Installing
> sysvinit takes the machine off the net at the next boot.

Yes, that can really confuse newbies. I'll fix the text that is printed
by the postinst and some other things (mainly other text files) and I'll
release a 2.63

Mike.
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Brian Mays wrote:

> >>>>> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava writes:
> 
>     Manoj> d) The kernel-package package has little to do with
>     Manoj> the modules generated.
> 
> Apparently, I was mistaken.  The question now is whether to place the
> PCMCIA modules in the (i386) kernel package.

What about a separate package that is generated from a same source, at the
same time, as a kernel package.  That way people without the PCMCIA hardware
would not be forced to install it, but it will be always up to date with a
current kernel package.  I guess it would have to depend on exact version
number of a kernel.

> 
> --
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> 
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:
> The moving-target option looks good except for one (big) worry--the
> possibility that a significant package with a significant bug will be present
> at the moment that some significant outfit presses a cdrom of Debian.  The
> Debian gets a rep as being buggy, etc.
> 
> In an alternative scenario, multiple cdrom vendors press multiple snapshots,
> meaning that a single coherent errata statement (a la Redhat) is not possible.
> 
> I think we should go with the frozen, or nearly frozen snapshot (where "nearly
> frozen" would mean only serious bugfixes).  This concept seems to work well
> for kernel releases, and I think it would work well here, too.

I agree with everything except the "nearly frozen" idea, exactly for
the reason you suggest - multiple snapshots are possible.

Read the mail I posted to debian-private a few minutes ago (or perhaps
you were one of the people on the cc list).  I outlined a method where
there would be 3 distributions -

1. a static `release' directory
2. a dynamic `release-updates' directory.  This would contain important updates
   only.
3. a dynamic `development' directory containing a mix of files and slinks to
   release.

All CD pressings have an identical static release directory.  All users
should upgrade all the packages in release-updates.  They can upgrade
to development if they're adventurous.


Guy

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Dale> I must point out that there are several Debian maintainers who submit
>   Dale> their upload announcements as attachments. I find this so obnoxious
>   Dale> that I just delete such mail, out of hand.
> 
> You will get flamed for this, and rightly so. 
> 
> All that these maintainer, your's truly included, do is to use mailcrypt to
> PGP sign a posting. Emacs doesn't even know what an attachment is. Too bad
> for pine, or rather the pine user, if this encoding isn't recognised
> properly. 

Well, Dirk, you have misunderstood. I have no problem with pgp signed
posting, they pop right up, no problem. We were talking about attachments
and mime encoding. 
There is no need to mime encode the changes file as the check sums are
already composed of a tamper resistant character set and will come through
fine.

> 
> We won't get anywhere with this discussion. We heard it all before. Pine
> exists, and some users will want it. Such is life. Let's not unload our
> frustation with an upstream design issue on the Debian maintainer. We all
> have things to do.
> 
Thank you for your productive position.

Later,

Dwarf

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Mike Orr:
> I prefer the "major-minor" method of numbering releases.

Ditto.  A suggestion: bump the major version when something really big
changes.  Such as when Debian becomes stable on several architectures.


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   Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:25:49 -0500 (CDT)
   From: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>

   Read the mail I posted to debian-private a few minutes ago (or perhaps
   you were one of the people on the cc list).  I outlined a method where
   there would be 3 distributions -

   1. a static `release' directory
   2. a dynamic `release-updates' directory.  This would contain important updates
      only.
   3. a dynamic `development' directory containing a mix of files and slinks to
      release.

I missed your original message, but I like your solution.  So, by analogy to
the kernel,

	(1) would correspond to kernel 1.2.0
	(2) would correspond to versions 1.2.x, and
	(3) would correspond to versions 1.3.x

Excellent.

--Mike

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> help.

I vote for a 1.1-fixes directory. This would be contain bug-fix only
updates - new releases, etc. would go into the unstable directory for the
next release.

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> >I strongly disagree. Pine is a mime'd mailer. I use Pine. I hate getting
> >mail with attachments! Attachments are not easier to handle! Any other
> >mail I just press enter off the index list (or 'N'ext) and I can read the
> >posting.
> 
> I would argue that this is poor user interface design in Pine, not an
> inherent feature of attachments.

I concur.  My mail agent (exmh) is also a MIME complient mailer.  
MIME-encoded mail is displayed, inplace, or piped to the appropriate 
program silently.  It will (properly) encode text files as text/plain, 
and offer me the choice of encoding methods, including unencoded.  I do 
not see properly labeled quoted-binary encoded parts as mangled, and 
even alternate fonts are handled transparantly (as I discovered when 
reading a list that had someone's name, in hebrew, in their .sig file).
> 
> >Just because it is a standard, doesn't mean you should use it in a
> >universal fashion. The RS232 standard does not apply to parallel ports.
> >Neither should MIME encoding be used on plain text files, unless the file
> >is a like a diff file and must get through filters, character intact.
> >It is only that task that mime was designed to solve. It's indescriminate
> >use has caused more problems than it was supposed to solve.

MIME was designed to solve a number of problems.  One was the 
transmission of binary media.  Another was the transmission of text in 
different character sets.  And so forth.  MIME was designed from the 
start with the ability to transmit safely text files.  That is why 
text/plain and text/rfc822 are -required- MIME types.  That is why no 
encoding is a permitted option.  

Please note that if you send a file with a binary attachment in Pine, 
the entire mail message -is- MIME encapsulated, as multipart/mixed, the 
first part of which is MIME encapsulated as text/plain with no 
encoding, the second part of which has BASE64 encoding.  So my question 
is:  If Pine can generate the first part as text/plain with no 
encoding, why can't it the second?

I don't use Pine myself.  It has been suggested that ^R is a reasonable 
alternative to attaching a text file.  Does ^R automatically protect 
the included text from having leading or trailing blank lines deleted?  
This was recently important to me when I had to send a bug report to 
Ian Jackson that included a file with a trailing blank line.  I sent 
it, MIMEd, text/plain, unencoded.  If I used the analogous "insert text 
file" feature of my mailer, I would have had to place "cut here" lines 
before and after the file to make certain that the blank line (which 
might have been important in this case) was preserved.
> >
> >DON'T MIME ENCODE PLAIN TEXT DATA! Specialy if your intent is to
> >communicate with a human at the other end. (Or a reasonable
> >approximation thereof ;-)

As I said above, if I attach a binary file, I have absolutely no choice 
BUT to MIME encapsulate plain text data, since one part of my multipart 
message is plain text, sent as text/plain with no encoding.  There is 
nothing wrong with -properly- MIME encapsulating plain text data.  In 
some cases, it is vitally important for proper communication (imagine 
if I were using the character set iso-2022-jp, which is a  7-bit 
Japanese encoding designed for MIME.  The RFC (1468) that defines it 
states that Base64 or Quoted-Printable encoding would render it 
unreadable.  Without MIME encoding, many readers would not be able to 
properly identify it as non-ASCII.  I hope you don't claim that 
Japanese language documents are -not- plain text.)
> 
> It looks, from reading this, as if you've seriously confused MIME and
> BASE64.  Please tell me this isn't true...
> 
> I can see why Pine might lead one to believe that MIME and BASE64 were
> the same, given that it is so resistant to doing anything with MIME
> without also BASE64ing everything in sight.
> 

Strangely enough, the loudest complaints I hear about MIME come from 
either a) people without MIME-compliant mailers (who could be 
considered to have a semi-reasonable gripe), and b) Pine users or 
people dealing with Pine users.  

> - Richard (who thinks Pine should MD5 and then BASE64 its message ids
>            - they'd be shorter...)
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> It looks, from reading this, as if you've seriously confused MIME and
> BASE64.  Please tell me this isn't true...
> 
> I can see why Pine might lead one to believe that MIME and BASE64 were
> the same, given that it is so resistant to doing anything with MIME
> without also BASE64ing everything in sight.
> 
Well, Base64 IS the encoding scheme used by Mime, right? The confusion is
over when an attachment (I read MIME here, right?) should Base64 encode a
file to be attached.
The Pine developers say: Gee, they want this included as an attachment,
they must need to protect it, so, let's encode it! If they didn't want it
encoded they would just have inserted it into the message!
There are, obviously, those in the group who object to this point of view
by the developers.
My primary advice is, if it hurts when you do that, then don't do that!
Seriously, use control R unless you REALLY want Base64 encoding. Then and
only then can you make it an attachment.

For those of you who can't deal with this solution, I can only say:

You and the Pine Developers go to neutral corners, and only come out
fighting after I have left the room. (I don't like religios wars)

Later,

Dwarf

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Rob Browning:
> I'f we're actually going to be able to hold to the new release every
> few months cycle, then I think it's probably sufficient just to point
> people to the moving-target version, and it may be less confusing than
> having three categories: last-stable, stable-updates, moving-target.

I agree about this.  There will be relatively few really important
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Someone suggested that we should forget about non-free and fold all
non-free software into the normal distribution.  While I'm an advocate
about this, the proposal has real problems.  Most importantly, it means
that every CD producer would have to go through all packages and make
sure that they can be sold on a CD.  That's a lot of extra work, and it
means that fewer CD producers will be doing the work.

It also opens Debian for accusations, if and when the copyright holder of
a non-free package gets annoyed.  I was reminded about this when going
through some old files (yes, my hard disk is getting filled again).

I found some saved news articles from 1994, when shadow passwords were
put into the C library.  The code was adapted from existing code, which
was not free.  The author threw a fit and accused, among others, Debian
and Ian Murdock for stealing his code.  (Unfairly, as far as I can tell.)

(I think the shadow code has been released under another license now,
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Dale Scheetz:
> I strongly disagree. Pine is a mime'd mailer. I use Pine. I hate getting
> mail with attachments! Attachments are not easier to handle! Any other
> mail I just press enter off the index list (or 'N'ext) and I can read the
> posting. But with attachments you first have to ask to view the file, and,
> most often, then must save the file before you can view it (outside the
> mail agent) because many text files are improperly identified.

Pine is a fair first attempt at a mime'd mailer.  It's not a really good
one.  It's inability to show uninterpreted mime'd letters can be a major
pain in the ass when dealing with MIME types it doesn't know about it.
However, at least the versions of Pine I've used or tried (3.91-3.93),
do show attachments as well.  Even base64 encoded ones -- I just tried
it.  That is, if the attachment is marked "text/plain" -- if it is of
type "application/octet-stream" (i.e., binary data), then Pine doesn't
show it.

Anybody sending plain text attachments as "application/octet-stream" are
doing something wrong.

FWIW, I use exmh.  It handles MIME somewhat better than Pine.

> I must point out that there are several Debian maintainers who submit
> their upload announcements as attachments. 

I've never even noticed. :)

> Neither should MIME encoding be used on plain text files, 

I assume you mean base64 encoding.  I agree with that (and the great
thing with exmh is that asks which type want to make things).  I don't
agree with not making it an attachment, if it is a separate part.  If it's
something separate, not part of the message, I don't want to have to hack
and slash at the mail file to extract it into a file.  I prefer to just
click once or twice with the mouse.  _That_ is the reason why MIME is a
Good Thing (all the flames about base64 vs uuencode and quoted-printable
notwithstanding).

(I'll quit defending MIME now.  It's not really interesting to anyone.
Besides, it's better to spend the energy on getting 1.1 out.)


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> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> 
> > It looks, from reading this, as if you've seriously confused MIME and
> > BASE64.  Please tell me this isn't true...
> > 
> > I can see why Pine might lead one to believe that MIME and BASE64 were
> > the same, given that it is so resistant to doing anything with MIME
> > without also BASE64ing everything in sight.
> > 
> Well, Base64 IS the encoding scheme used by Mime, right? 

Not really.  MIME currently defines at least three encoding styles, 
BASE64, Quoted-Printable, and unencoded.  Base64 is AN encoding scheme 
used by MIME.

>The confusion is
> over when an attachment (I read MIME here, right?) should Base64 encode a
> file to be attached.

MIME doesn't encode attachments per se, MIME ecapsulates whole mail 
messages.  When an attachment is made, MIME encapsulates the entire 
message into a singe MIME message of type "multipart/mixed", which 
allows for multiple, relatively independant, embedded MIME encapsulated 
messages.  From experience I have with my mailer, if I were to attach a 
GIF file to this message (which I won't), the entire message would be a 
"multipart/mixed" message, the first part of which would be 
"text/plain", with no encoding (that you would be reading right now), 
the second part would be "image/gif", BASE64 encoded, and the last part 
would be "text/plain", unencoded, and would consist of my .signature 
file (and would -not- be attached as a downloadable file).

> The way attachemnts
> The Pine developers say: Gee, they want this included as an attachment,
> they must need to protect it, so, let's encode it! If they didn't want it
> encoded they would just have inserted it into the message!
> There are, obviously, those in the group who object to this point of view
> by the developers.
> My primary advice is, if it hurts when you do that, then don't do that!
> Seriously, use control R unless you REALLY want Base64 encoding. Then and
> only then can you make it an attachment.

Sometimes there are times when that is also unacceptable.  MIME allows 
different parts of a multipart message to have different character 
sets.  Perhaps I want to discuss two text files, one in Hebrew (or with 
embedded Hebrew characters), and one in Japanese (or with embedded 
Japanese characters), with interspersed commentary on the two 
selections in English (say I'm corresponding with a colleage, 
discussing relevant linguistic or political issues).  MIME allows me to 
do that, WITHOUT Base64 encoding the two files in alternate 
charactersets.  (Although I will admit that my mailer doesn't display 
ISO-2022-JP encoded text files properly.  I can embed them, however).
> 
> For those of you who can't deal with this solution, I can only say:
> 
> You and the Pine Developers go to neutral corners, and only come out
> fighting after I have left the room. (I don't like religios wars)
> 

Some of us have needs that were forseen (or at least dealt with reasonably) by the MIME designers that are ignored by Pine.  Some assumptions made by the Pine developers (like all attached files are binary files, regardless of if they are or not) don't meet our needs.

For the most part, I have sat back and ignored the MIME flamewars because MY mailer (mostly) does the Right Thing with MIME.

-- 
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like those of donkeys and whose seed came in floods like that of
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Hi folks,

is ne1 already working on this package?  I'd like to have the libsql.a
:-)

Regards,

	Joey

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Lars Wirzenius:
> Someone suggested that we should forget about non-free and fold all
> non-free software into the normal distribution.  While I'm an advocate
> about this, the proposal has real problems.  Most importantly, it means
> that every CD producer would have to go through all packages and make
> sure that they can be sold on a CD.  That's a lot of extra work, and it
> means that fewer CD producers will be doing the work.

The problem with a separate non-free directory is that some things are
non-free in some countries and free in others.  There are US software
patents, crypto stuff etc.  Instead, we could keep just one distribution
and a list of "questionable" packages (with short explanations what is
the exact problem with each particular package).  This should make it
easier for CD producers in various countries to distribute as complete
Debian systems as possible within the local laws.

It has been done before - CD producers who want to distribute copies of
the sunsite Linux archive should read the file "info.for.cdrom.vendors"
in the top level directory.  There is no separate "non-free" part of
sunsite, just a list of "questionable" packages.  Why not do the same
for Debian?

> I found some saved news articles from 1994, when shadow passwords were
> put into the C library.  The code was adapted from existing code, which
> was not free.  The author threw a fit and accused, among others, Debian
> and Ian Murdock for stealing his code.  (Unfairly, as far as I can tell.)

I think it was Yggdrasil, not Debian.  Anyway, putting libc in non-free
wouldn't make a lot of sense, so the author had better talk to H.J.
about removing the code from libc...

The non-free code is still in libc4, so it probably should be replaced
with the free (released under LGPL by the author) version from libc5
(or just removed - I don't think any a.out programs are using it).

> (I think the shadow code has been released under another license now,
> but there's still a lot of bad feeling floating around shadow passwords
> and the author.)

Yes, the complete shadow suite (not just the shadow library) has been
released by the author under BSD-style copyright.  There is no longer
need for any bad feeling, the code is free, and I currently maintain
it.  Let's forget the past, and talk about the future...

Marek

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>>"Brian" == Brian Mays <bem5r@virginia.edu> writes:

Brian> Here is a more radical idea.  The kernel package and pcmcia
Brian> package could be further coupled by having the kernel package
Brian> check for the existence of the pcmcia package (in the
Brian> /usr/src/pcmcia directory), when building a new kernel-image
Brian> file, and automatically build a new pcmcia deb package to go
Brian> along with the new kernel-image package.  The kernel package
Brian> could be given a new "superbuild" or "superbinary" rule that
Brian> tells it to make its own deb file and also make deb files for
Brian> all kernel add-on packages that it finds.  (If no add-on
Brian> packages are found, it simply makes its own deb file).  This
Brian> idea would also work for any future packages that contain
Brian> kernel modules.

	I like this idea. I suggest that we standardize on a directory
 /usr/src/modules/; and any stand-alone modules that may exist will
 put a symbolic link in there. So, if the kernel debian.rules is given
 the target modules; it will look into /usr/src/modules, and do
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modules:
 for $$module in /usr/src/modules/*; do \
	(cd $$module; ./debian.rules VERSION=$(version) dist) \
 done

	Of course, something has to be done about dchanges and
 pgp-signing the created modules; I guess the simplest way would have
 the person running the command sign as many times as there are add-on
 modules.

	How does this sound?

	manoj
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On 13 Jun 1996, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>	[...]             I suggest that we standardize on a directory
> /usr/src/modules/; and any stand-alone modules that may exist will
> put a symbolic link in there. So, if the kernel debian.rules is given
> the target modules; it will look into /usr/src/modules, and do
> something like 
>modules:
> for $$module in /usr/src/modules/*; do \
>	(cd $$module; ./debian.rules VERSION=$(version) dist) \
> done
>
>	Of course, something has to be done about dchanges and
> pgp-signing the created modules; I guess the simplest way would have
> the person running the command sign as many times as there are add-on
> modules.
>

The dist target could make the changes file too, using something like
"dchanges -n cd=file_with_changes_extension_info list_of_package_files"
I do something like that from a front-end build script, but it could
be done from debian.rules.

>	How does this sound?

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From: Lars Wirzenius <liw@iki.fi>

> Someone suggested that we should forget about non-free and fold all
> non-free software into the normal distribution.

Don't worry about it. There is absolutely no chance that we could ever
do this. It would cause misery for the CD manufacturers, for
one thing. By having a non-free directory we make it possible for them
to easily figure out what they can put on CD and what they can't. Many
of the non-free programs can't be sold.

The second reason is that we're still committed to the free software
concept.

No, no point on arguing about this one. It won't happen.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Bruce Perens writes:
> Some of your most recently uploaded packages may not have made it into
> "buzz". If it's important that they get there, please check for them and
> write to me if they should be moved in.

The new libc5* and xringd packages should be moved into buzz before
the release.

David
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From: Marek Michalkiewicz <marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl>
> The problem with a separate non-free directory is that some things are
> non-free in some countries and free in others.

Yes, but it's no problem to look at the stuff in that directory and
decide what's free for your country, and put that stuff on your CD.

There was a CD manufacturer (who will remain unnamed) who put a
non-working Debian 1.0 prototype on his CD without checking - for example
he didn't try to install it on a system. Said CD manufacturer _did_,
however, avoid placing the non-free directory on his CD. So non-free
works for people who don't check. In contrast, when I made my own CD, I
checked the licenses on the non-free programs, and put most of them on
my CD after I verified that I could do so. So non-free works for people
who _do_ check.

> Instead, we could keep just one distribution
> and a list of "questionable" packages (with short explanations what is
> the exact problem with each particular package).

OK - there are some opportunities for classification here. For one,
there's the "crypto" category. Entirely illegal in France, I hear.
Then there's the software-patent category for GIF, Welch Compress,
RSA "crypto" stuff which is now infringing in not just the U.S. but
most of Europe since the U.S. became party to a patent treaty with
them. Then there's the stuff with odd licenses.

So, let's classify them, put explanations on the packages, and stick
them in one directory or a directory tree so that it's easy to find them.
Let's call that directory non-free. You can have subdirectories for the
different categories to the extent that they don't overlap.

But why mix them in with the rest of the distribution? We're not trying
to be like those other, less careful, Linux distributions. We have a
better way of organizing these programs than they do. We're going to stick
with it.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hi,

	Yes, I assumed that the dist target would run dchanges (though
 I should have made that more explicit), I guess I was concerned about
 having to sit around and type my pgp key for each module (a silly
 thought, for the moment, since we just have one module, but I worry
 about silly scalability issues).

	manoj
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Good morning folks,

here's another version of the text I wish to submit to the
Distribution-HOWTO maintainer.

-- Begin Text ---------------------------------------------------------
  4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution


     Distributor:
        The Debian Linux Association
        Software in the Public Interest
        P.O. Box 70152
        Pt. Richmond CA 94807-0152

        Net: info@debian.org
        WWW:  <http://www.debian.org/>
        FTP:  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/>


     Provider's Description:
        Debian Linux is the result of a volunteer effort to create a
        high-quality non-commercial Linux distribution.  Debian Linux
        1.1 is a complete and fully-functional Unix-compatible operating
        system for the personal computer.  The system uses ELF
        executables, but also includes optional packages you can install
        to fully support a.out programs.  Optional packages provides the
        a.out development system, so that you can continue to maintain
        a.out programs on your new system.  Presently Debian Linux is
        available for the IBM PC architecture (386/486/Pentium) with
        versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha architectures well under way.

        Debian Linux is an easy-to-upgrade distribution that mostly
        consists of freely redistributable software from a number of
        different sources and systems.  Non-free packages are also
        available, making Debian a well-rounded system.

        The benefits of Debian Linux are its upgradability, well-defined
        dependencies between packages, and its open development.  It is
        the only distribution of Linux that is being developed co-
        operatively by many individuals through the Internet, in the
        same spirit as Linux and other Free Software.  More than 100
        package maintainers are working on about 500 packages and
        improving Debian Linux.  A sophisticated bug tracking system
        allows users to easily report bugs and security concerns which
        are quickly dealt with by the Debian community.  A new release
        of the package will soon occur on well-known ftp archives.

        Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  Snap-shot releases
        are made about every three months, the ftp archives are updated
        daily.

        For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to the
        files at  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/> or visit our World
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     Internet Access:
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	Joey

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Good day folks,

I'll upload the next release of sysklogd later.  This release contains
a fix to work properly with real Linux 2.0 kernels and later.  If
you're using this kernel, you better update.

-- Begin Changes --

Date: 14 Jun 96 11:11:21 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Binary: sysklogd
Source: sysklogd
Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.3-7
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
Description: Kernel and system logging daemons.
 This package implements two system log daemons. The syslogd daemon is
 an enhanced version of the standard Berkeley utility program. This
 daemon is responsible for providing logging of messages received from
 programs and facilities on the local host as well as from remote
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 .
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Priority: Routine
Files:
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 644bf3dc9f05bd8f745871c6f45e02e2 7788 base - sysklogd-1.3-7.diff.gz
 fe74d8a84c3531d7b47f4900b9baab37 40158 base - sysklogd-1.3-7.i386.deb
Changes:
 * fixed Bug#3256
 * added bugfix for Linux 2.0

-- End Changes --

Have a pleasant remainder of the week,

	Joey

PS: Also on ftp.infodrom.north.de in /pub/people/joey/debian.

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Hi folks,

I'm totally confused now.  Shall new uploads (i.e. bugfixes) use the
underscore as delimiter betwen the name of the package and the version
or do we stay on the old way until 1.1 is released?

Sorry for disturbing,

	Joey

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>>>>> I wrote:

> Ok, but i would say: let's skip version numbers and go to 2.x!

Ok, if you all think it's better to keep it as it is right now, that's
fine with me.  I just thought it to be a good idea - apparently it was
not...

Dominik

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Doug Geiger:
> I have no problem with my PS/2 mouse, did you try export MOUSE_TYPE=PS2
> (for bash - set MOUSE_TYPE PS2 for csh/tcsh)?
> I'm pretty sure this is documented - though I may be wrong. I'm closing
> this bug report.

$ dpkg -L abuse | egrep '(man|doc|info)'
/usr/doc
/usr/doc/copyright
/usr/doc/copyright/abuse
/usr/doc/abuse
/usr/doc/abuse/abuse.doc.gz
/usr/doc/abuse/net.doc.gz
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/usr/doc/abuse/debian.README
/usr/doc/abuse/change.log.gz
/usr/doc/abuse/linux-abuse.lsm.gz
$ cd /usr/doc/abuse
$ zgrep -i MOUSE_TYPE *
$

If you've closed this bug report, please re-open it.  This is a
documentation bug if nothing else.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> I'm totally confused now.  Shall new uploads (i.e. bugfixes) use the
> underscore as delimiter betwen the name of the package and the version
> or do we stay on the old way until 1.1 is released?

It doesn't matter.  dinstall will rename them to the right thing.


Guy

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  Martin> I'm totally confused now.  Shall new uploads (i.e. bugfixes) use
  Martin> the underscore as delimiter betwen the name of the package and the
  Martin> version or do we stay on the old way until 1.1 is released?

  Guy>  It doesn't matter.  dinstall will rename them to the right thing.

It does matter. As Bruce pointed out yesterday, debian.rules should build the
Right Thing. 

So? What is the recommendation? Use dpkg-name from dpkg-1.2.6?

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> So? What is the recommendation? Use dpkg-name from dpkg-1.2.6?

Yes.


Guy

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Dirk Eddelbuettel writes:
 >   Martin> I'm totally confused now.  Shall new uploads (i.e. bugfixes) use
 >   Martin> the underscore as delimiter betwen the name of the package and the
 >   Martin> version or do we stay on the old way until 1.1 is released?
 >   Guy>  It doesn't matter.  dinstall will rename them to the right thing.

 > It does matter. As Bruce pointed out yesterday, debian.rules should
 > build the Right Thing. 
 > So? What is the recommendation? Use dpkg-name from dpkg-1.2.6?
I (Erick) recommend that debian.rules contains the following line:

dpkg --build debian-tmp && dpkg-name -o -s .. debian-tmp.deb

This will give the binary file(s) the proper underscore name.
It will leave the .tar.gz and the .diff.gz files untouched.
The current dchanges (version 3.4) will not accept this, IMHO it 
should be changed to accept this.

If we want all files to follow the underscores convention, much more
rewriting of .debian.rules needs to be done this time and again at 
the next time of a filename change (I hope this will not happen).
or
dchanges should accept all kinds of names and rename them to the
proper naming, this isn't trivial.

Erick

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It will be difficult to have a specific numbered release 1.2.x, unless
the x is updated each time a new package is added to the
release-updates directory.  Is this a good idea?  I suppose that we
could try 1.2.date, but that would need to be UTC.  Mirror sites
cannot guarantee timely updates.  I do believe that an release-updates
directory is necessary.  I just don't know how to number the release.
I plan to release a few less stable elements in the unstable section.
I don't want those changes going out as stable until some amount of
time has passed.

kevin


>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Coleman <coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu> writes:


>    Read the mail I posted to debian-private a few minutes ago (or perhaps
>    you were one of the people on the cc list).  I outlined a method where
>    there would be 3 distributions -

>    1. a static `release' directory
>    2. a dynamic `release-updates' directory.  This would contain important updates
>       only.
>    3. a dynamic `development' directory containing a mix of files and slinks to
>       release.

> I missed your original message, but I like your solution.  So, by analogy to
> the kernel,

> 	(1) would correspond to kernel 1.2.0
> 	(2) would correspond to versions 1.2.x, and
> 	(3) would correspond to versions 1.3.x

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I think that there is risk of people interpreting Debian-1.1 as being
behind 2.x and 3.x from another provider.  We shouldn't worry about it
for this release, but we should keep this concern in mind and
determine whether there are many misinterpretations.

kevin

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Doug Geiger:
> I have no problem with my PS/2 mouse, did you try export MOUSE_TYPE=PS2
> (for bash - set MOUSE_TYPE PS2 for csh/tcsh)?
> I'm pretty sure this is documented - though I may be wrong. I'm closing
> this bug report.

Please re-open this bug report.

(1) This is not documented in any of the documentation you've included
in the debian package.  Try it: cd /usr/doc/abuse;
zgrep -i MOUSE_TYPE *;

(2) If I set MOUSE_TYPE, then switch consoles, when I come back it has
forgotten about the environmental variable.  [I know you can't do
anything about this one except refer it on to crack dot com, but I'd
prefer you do this than I...]

Thanks,

-- 
Raul

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David Engel wrote:
> Bruce Perens writes:
> > Some of your most recently uploaded packages may not have made it into
> > "buzz". If it's important that they get there, please check for them and
> > write to me if they should be moved in.
> 
> The new libc5* and xringd packages should be moved into buzz before
> the release.

Also, sysvinit-2.63-1 and qpopper-2.1.4-3 fix some annoying problems
(a real nasty locking problem for qpopper). I hope they can be
moved into buzz before monday.

Mike.
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> I think that there is risk of people interpreting Debian-1.1 as being
> behind 2.x and 3.x from another provider.  We shouldn't worry about it
> for this release, but we should keep this concern in mind and
> determine whether there are many misinterpretations.
> 
> kevin

I honestly don't see why we have to update our version numbers to beat the
rest of the pack.  The way I see it we should have a two sets of version
numbers standing for minor and major releases.

For example, Debian-1.1 is updated from 0.93R6 because is had major changes
(ELF conversion etc).  The next version should be 1.2 because I doubt that
anything "big" will happen.  If it does, then it should be 2.0 if you get
my drift.

As for being behind the pack, I don't see why.  Updating versions can also
mean that there is something terribly wrong with that distribution.  I
think the way we're going now is spot-on, but, that's just my opinion.

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I will generate a list of differences between buzz and unstable today
or tomorrow.  I'll post this list to debian-devel.  You guys can then
tell me which packages have had important updates.

I'll do a dinstall run first obviously.


Guy

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
> Is it appropriate for _any_ package to specify section and priority,
> or should all of that information should be specified in the possibly
> mis-named overrides file?  And, if so, shouldn't the fields be removed
> from the guidelines and all packages?

Ian and I already agreed on a policy, but I neglected to announce it.

We recommend that you NOT put a section and priority in the control
file.

You're correct that is nice for some things if the section and priority
are in the control file, but it's better for nothing to be there than
for incorrect things to be there.  If you want to put the two fields in
your control file, you may be required to upload new versions at the
whim of the distribution manager.

Most people don't want to be bothered with repackaging, hence our
recommendation.

I know that I really really really need to finish writing the "How to
upload" document.  The above recommendation will be there.


Guy

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When I tested this yesterday, I was using an older version of ae,
and didn't see the problem.  It turns out that the ae-962-6 change
to work around the problem with the new ncurses introduced this
problem by turning off ICRNL when putting the terminal into raw mode.
I've just uploaded ae-962-7 to master, which should fix this by
turning ICRNL back on and putting the terminal into a half-baked
mode.

ae-962-7 needs to go into the distribution and onto the install disks.

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Hi,
The Proposal:

>>"Brian" == Brian Mays <bem5r@virginia.edu> writes:
Brian> Sounds great.  Let me check the details.  A stand-alone modules
Brian> (SAM) package (e.g., pcmcia-cs) would have a binary deb file
Brian> (pcmcia-cs<version and arch>.deb) and a source deb file
Brian> (pcmcia-source<version and arch>.deb).  The source deb file
Brian> would unpack itself into the /usr/src directory and
Brian> symbolically link its directory into the /usr/src/modules
Brian> directory.

	Exactly.

Brian> When the kernel debian.rules is given the target "modules," it
Brian> would build new binary packages for all of the packages in
Brian> subdirectories of the /usr/src/modules directory.  The rule
Brian> given above should work fine except that I would suggest that
Brian> "KVERSION" be used as the variable for the kernel version, to
Brian> distinguish it from the package version, and the "binary" rule
Brian> (or perhaps a "kernel" rule to indicate that it is being
Brian> compiled for a specific kernel source) be used instead of
Brian> "dist."  There is no need to make a new tar and diff file,
Brian> since all that needs to be done is recompile the modules so
Brian> that they will be compatible with the new version of the
Brian> kernel.

	I agree about the version and the target name, but I think
 that the tar and diff files may be required, maybe there should be
 two sets of targets, one for just the binary .deb file, and another
 for the whole shebang (what is the etymology of this word?) -- and
 what about the version number of the module packages produced? should
 it not also be bumped up? The scenario could be 
   Day 1: module X created with verion 3.1.2-0 and uploaded to master.
   Day 3: the kernel version changes, and a new module package is
          created. No changes made to the module; so what should the
          version be? if it the same, then there will be confusion on
          the archives.

 Workaround? put the kernel version in the module name. So, we have
 pcmcia-cs-2.0.0_3.1.2-0_i386.deb, no confusion about which kernel it
 belongs to, and the preinstall scripts warn if the running kernel is
 not the correct one.

Brian> Since the kernel version number is being passed to the
Brian> debian.rules makefile, the SAM package would know to use the
Brian> kernel source in the
Brian> /usr/src/kernel-source-$(KVERSION) directory when compiling its
Brian> modules.  However, when no KVERSION variable is provided,
Brian> (when, for example, a user wants to add a stand-alone module
Brian> package to his own custom compiled kernel, so he simply types
Brian> "./debian.rules binary") the SAM package would use the kernel
Brian> source in the /usr/src/linux directory.

	Hmm, you can't really make an assumption about the location of
 the sources. How about this where KVERS contains the kernel version,
 and KSRC the full path name of the top level kernel source directory.

# only generate module image packages
modules_image:
        for $$module in $(MODULE_LOC)/* ; do \
            (cd $$module; \
              ./debian.rules KVERS=$(version) KSRC=$(SRCTOP) kdist_image; ) \
        done

# generate the modules package and sign them with dchanges
modules:
        for $$module in $(MODULE_LOC)/* ; do \
            (cd $$module; \
              ./debian.rules KVERS=$(version) KSRC=$(SRCTOP) kdist; ) \
        done

	manoj
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Hi,

	I think that in the absence of an updated guideline document,
 there should be a clarification of whether the tar.gz and diff files
 followed the same convention of using underscores. I thought that they
 did, and agreed with the change, since all the file names looked
 similair and sorted the same, and ease-of-use to humans is what the
 whole naming convention was about.

	But Erick has a totally dis-similar view-point, and this
 should be cleared up. In the meanwhile, I have put this into my
 debian.rules files ;-)
 ...
 ...
# separators
sep1 = _
sep2 = _
sep3 = .
sep4 = .
 ...
 ...
source:
	...
	...
	( cd source-tmp && tar cvf - $(package) | \
             gzip -9f > ../../$(package)$(sep1)$(debian)$(sep3)tar$(sep4)gz )

	manoj

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Erick Branderhorst writes:
>
>
>Dirk Eddelbuettel writes:
> >   Martin> I'm totally confused now.  Shall new uploads (i.e. bugfixes) use
> >   Martin> the underscore as delimiter betwen the name of the package and th
>e
> >   Martin> version or do we stay on the old way until 1.1 is released?
> >   Guy>  It doesn't matter.  dinstall will rename them to the right thing.
>
> > It does matter. As Bruce pointed out yesterday, debian.rules should
> > build the Right Thing. 
> > So? What is the recommendation? Use dpkg-name from dpkg-1.2.6?
>I (Erick) recommend that debian.rules contains the following line:
>
>dpkg --build debian-tmp && dpkg-name -o -s .. debian-tmp.deb
>
>This will give the binary file(s) the proper underscore name.
>It will leave the .tar.gz and the .diff.gz files untouched.
>The current dchanges (version 3.4) will not accept this, IMHO it 
>should be changed to accept this.

I think this is wrong - we then have two different filename formats -
and it is the *source* files that really need to be parsable.

>If we want all files to follow the underscores convention, much more
>rewriting of .debian.rules needs to be done this time and again at 
>the next time of a filename change (I hope this will not happen).
>or
>dchanges should accept all kinds of names and rename them to the
>proper naming, this isn't trivial.

dchanges cannot rename source files - it cannot tell what they if the
file names don't match.

Andy.

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Bruce Perens:
> Yes, but it's no problem to look at the stuff in that directory and
> decide what's free for your country, and put that stuff on your CD.

Except that most CD manufacturers probably won't bother :-(.

> There was a CD manufacturer (who will remain unnamed) who put a
> non-working Debian 1.0 prototype on his CD without checking - for example
> he didn't try to install it on a system. Said CD manufacturer _did_,
> however, avoid placing the non-free directory on his CD. So non-free
> works for people who don't check. In contrast, when I made my own CD, I

Well, maybe implementing my proposal would help eliminating such CD
manufacturers.  If there is a document which clearly lists non-free
packages, and they don't care what they put on their CD, it's their
problem if they get sued - they deserve what they get :-).

> checked the licenses on the non-free programs, and put most of them on
> my CD after I verified that I could do so. So non-free works for people
> who _do_ check.

Which pakages?  If you verified them, maybe they should be moved out
of non-free?  (I am fairly positive that zip and unzip are free, since
I asked the upstream authors about this and received a reply that they
didn't even realize there was a problem; they say they have no problem
with us distributing their software.)

Regards,

Marek

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>>>>> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu> writes:

    Manoj>  Workaround? put the kernel version in the module name. So,
    Manoj> we have pcmcia-cs-2.0.0_3.1.2-0_i386.deb, no confusion
    Manoj> about which kernel it belongs to, and the preinstall
    Manoj> scripts warn if the running kernel is not the correct one.

    Manoj> # only generate module image packages
    Manoj> modules_image:
    Manoj>         for $$module in $(MODULE_LOC)/* ; do \
    Manoj>             (cd $$module; \
    Manoj>               ./debian.rules KVERS=$(version) KSRC=$(SRCTOP) \
    Manoj>               kdist_image; ) \
    Manoj>         done
    Manoj> 
    Manoj> # generate the modules package and sign them with dchanges
    Manoj> modules:
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    Manoj>             (cd $$module; \
    Manoj>               ./debian.rules KVERS=$(version) KSRC=$(SRCTOP) \
    Manoj>               kdist; ) \
    Manoj>         done

This is good; things are much clearer now.  So dchanges should be run
with the -n (no edit) option and perhaps a cs="New kernel version
$(KVERS)." override?

--
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Erick Branderhorst writes:
 > > My problem here is that I have a package that installs files that can
 > > be automatically localized. I don't want to force a user to get files
 > > localized for each language actually handled (in general, at this point
 > > this is not a problem), so the postinst script is able to do the
 > > localization of the files installed. But I would like have the generated
 > > files marked as belonging to the package, and removed by dpkg. Is it
 > > possible?
 >
 > well it seems to be, I don't understand what your localization method is
 > doing but you might be able to explain it with some example or so.

It just knows the translation for some strings and modify the files
accordingly. I do *not* want to make messages files and then use gettext()
on the strings I want to translate because I want the files to be
easily editable by everyone, and because my program is written in Perl
and there's no real support for gettext in Perl actually. If the gettext
methods could be dynamically linked in Perl, maybe I'd give a try to it.

Yves.

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Package: ncurses-base, ncurses-term
Version: 1.9.8a

Having both ncurses packages installed, there's still no Emacs terminal
information:

marin1% ls
ls
[0m#INBOX#[0m                       [32mprivate_html[0m
[0m5001.DSC_Spec.pdf[0m             [32mpsutils-1.16[0m
marin2% echo $TERM
echo $TERM
unknown
marin3% export TERM=eterm
export TERM=eterm
zsh: can't find termcap info for eterm
marin4% export TERM=emacs
export TERM=emacs
zsh: can't find termcap info for emacs
marin5% 

(note that zsh complains about termcap info missing although it really
uses terminfo! I have an /etc/termcap with an eterm entry, adn it does
not even look at it...).

The eterm entry is in ncurses since a long time, why is it omitted from
the distributed packages?

Yves.

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I did upload libpaper-0.1 on master.debian.org. This package contains a
really small shared library, libpaper, that helps getting paper size
information from /etc/papersize and adding support of more than 40 paper
sizes to applications.

Please consider using it if you use /etc/papersize: you will benefit from
a common way to access this file (and automatically use its replacement
when it will be decided) and get support for many paper sizes automatically.
If you do not read /etc/papersize but have to manage a paper size too,
this library can help get you use the centralized /etc/papersize file with
as little code to add as a single line in your sources.

The library comes with a simple paper command that can be used to get the
paper size in script shells to wrap-up programs without having to modify
them directly.

Yves.

PS: Angus Duggan will incorporate support for using this library in his next
release of psutils. I have a modified a2ps that use this library (and thus
support setting the paper size on the command line) ready if a2ps' package
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> Which pakages?  If you verified them, maybe they should be moved out
> of non-free?

No, I verified that they were not free, but that their licenses allowed me
to put them on a CD and sell them.

Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we should consider
dropping the non-free directory _and_its_contents_ from Debian. We don't
really need anything in there, and it would be nice to get closer to the
free software ideal. We could allow someone else to distribute the non-free
programs as an addition to Debian, instead of our distributing them as a
non-free component of an otherwise free system.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hello,

I've uploaded psptools-1.2 on master.debian.org. Psptools contains tools
that manipulate PS files and add/delete/change printer/device features
by using PPD (PostScript Printer Description) files.

The current release contains psplpr, a filtering/printing tool, npslpr,
a command-line compatible (incomplete) replacement for Adobe's pslpr
and an ancillary tool used by psplpr to access PPD files under different
names.

(Note: the section is marked Unstable but the kit is stable and can be
moved into any stable release.)

Yves.

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[ Note: I read this mailing list.  There is no need to CC me on replies,
  unless it is _really_ urgent.  I pay for my PPP connections.  Thanks. ]

Kevin Dalley:
> It will be difficult to have a specific numbered release 1.2.x, unless

First, I doubt we need a three level version number.  Debian won't
make releases that often.  Two levels is enough (major number changes
when there are major changes in the distribution -- such as support
for multiple architectures or support for RPM's -- and the minor number
changes every three months).

Second, there's no difficulty.  The release has a version number, the
updates or fixes do not, precisely because it would be too silly to have
a new release number for every new package.

There will be people running `plain 1.1' and `1.1 with foo, bar, and baz
from the release-updates directory'.  (There's also going to be people
running `0.93 with most of the base in 1.1 and a lot of local hacks', but
those people tend to take care of things for themselves. :)

> I don't want those changes going out as stable until some amount of
> time has passed.

This is why I think we're going to have a test period (`code freeze')
before making a release.  A period when only bug fixes (and, possibly,
new packages) will be placed in the soon-to-be-a-release directory.  
(Other packages will presumably put on hold or put into the 
next-release-after-the-next-release-directory.)

(Note: Upon re-reading the above, I find that I'm sounding a bit too
authoritative.  I'm not.  I haven't even produced a single package yet,
since I'm waiting for 1.1 to happen first.  All this is based on how I've
understood things are going to work, and colored by how I would like them
to work.)

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On 14 Jun 1996 rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:

> If you've closed this bug report, please re-open it.  This is a
> documentation bug if nothing else.

Hmmm, I'll upload a new release with some information on this - somewhere.

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On 14 Jun 1996 rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:

> (2) If I set MOUSE_TYPE, then switch consoles, when I come back it has
> forgotten about the environmental variable.  [I know you can't do
> anything about this one except refer it on to crack dot com, but I'd
> prefer you do this than I...]

What? What shell are you using? Enviornment variables should be saved, I
don't think that has anything to do w/abuse.

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> 
> package: screen
> version: 3.7.1-4
> 
> screen.postinst has:
> 
> #this is to remove the "/tmp/screens has incorrect permissions" after
> #upgrading to this (3.7.1) version of screen from 3.6 or earlier.
> 
> rm -rf /tmp/screens

OK, so I produced a script to correct this, and put it in postinst.

But now I have a real nice riddle: Why doesn't it work?

Answer: dpkg -i screen also runs the postrm from the old screen.
and guess what: it's got a "rm -rf /tmp/screens" too. This is
no surprise, it has to have (otherwise you can never remove
screen completely).

So now what? Make /tmp/screens a "configuration file"? This seems
hardly what "configuration files" were divised for.

Although I agree with you that the current behaviour is less than
perfect, I challenge you to come up with a better way.
(the testing then has to be done in postrm, but postrm *should*
get rid of /tmp/screens).

I could still release screen-3.7.1-5, for the manpage typing
error, but I'm not sure I will.

Anyway, thanks for the most interesting discussion,

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Package: trn

This should provide news-reader

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Bruce Perens:
> No, I verified that they were not free, but that their licenses allowed me
> to put them on a CD and sell them.

Sorry to bother you again, but I thought non-free was precisely for
packages which may not be sold on CDs.  Now I am confused.  Please
explain (at least give examples of such packages) - thanks!

> Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we should consider
> dropping the non-free directory _and_its_contents_ from Debian. We don't
> really need anything in there, and it would be nice to get closer to the

I don't think so.  There are some useful packages there, which have no
GNU replacements - for example, one of them is commonly used by Debian
developers to sign the changes files...

I really don't want to start a flame war on this (so if anyone out there
disagrees with me, please tell me so in private mail, and I'll summarize
later) but at least for me, having the maximum number of useful packages
available (even if only for anonymous ftp) is important.  Free software
ideal, while still very important, is secondary for me, especially if
there is not yet a free replacement for a non-free but useful package.

Please note that I like Debian very much, even though I don't like a few
little things about it.  To improve a product, someone has to criticize
it, too.  Let's not get angry at each other!

Marek

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> Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we should consider
> dropping the non-free directory _and_its_contents_ from Debian. We don't
> really need anything in there, and it would be nice to get closer to the
> free software ideal. We could allow someone else to distribute the non-free
> programs as an addition to Debian, instead of our distributing them as a
> non-free component of an otherwise free system.

Please do not do this!  Some of those packages are important to some people.
(eg. pgp, zip, xv, pine).

Perhaps some of them are not restricted enough that they could be moved to
contrib, but if anything, I'd prefer to see "non-free" better organized.  No
computer/os survives without software, so reducing the amount of software
available for Debian is ultimately detrimental to our product.

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Hi all,

Follows my opinion about the subject:

we should have a debian-1.1 dir, which won't ever change. While 1.2 is
not released, new packages go to pre-release-1.2 and bugfixes go to
bug-fixes-1.1.

When 1.2 get release there will be a debian-1.2 dir and also an
update-1.2 dir which should contain links to all packages that have
changed since 1.1.

With this scheme, a major and a minor version numbers seems to be
enough.

Emilio.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 gpp10@cam.ac.uk wrote:

> Package: trn
> 
> This should provide news-reader

This 

a) was already a registered bug (#2783)
b) was fixed when I uploaded 3.6-6.


Jon.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we should consider
> dropping the non-free directory _and_its_contents_ from Debian. We don't
> really need anything in there, 

Who doesn't need anything in there?  I think a significant number of
Debian users want access to the widest possible variety of software,
even if some of it comes with strings attached.

> and it would be nice to get closer to the
> free software ideal. We could allow someone else to distribute the non-free
> programs as an addition to Debian, instead of our distributing them as a
> non-free component of an otherwise free system.

This is fine as long as we don't end up abandoning the non-free packages
with no place to go.  However, some questions to keep in mind are:

* Will enough of the mirror sites propogate an independant non-free so
that those who want the programs can find them without having to line up
at only one or two sites?

* Will whoever runs the new site be committed to quality control and keeping
the package format and directory structure (e.g., use of
/etc/nntpserver) in sync with the main distribution?  Otherwise we could
end up with incompatibilities between official and unofficial packages.

* Will the CD manufacturers simply exclude all of non-free because it's
"not a part of Debian"?  What effect will this have on people who don't
have access to ftp?  Will they refuse consider Debian or even uninstall
it because it doesn't have wanted/needed software that other
distributions have?



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Package: doc-debian
Version: 1.0-2

Hi, guidelines.texi.gz (from version 1.0-2 of the doc-debian package)
refers to "Debian GNU/Linux" in the title. Version 1.0-3 has corrected
this, but it's still in the Incoming dir.

The guidelines.info from the dpkg package does not show this problem.

Emilio.

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Sorry for the slow response time.  I've been extremely busy this week.

Ian Jackson writes:
> Richard Kettlewell writes ("Re: why are we renaming ncurses man pages? "):
> ...
> > Isn't it a good thing that you can say man <function name> and get the
> > right man page, rather than having to say man curs_<function name>,
> > though?
> 
> Indeed, that's why this is done.  It's also done because curs_func(3x)
> is (a) ugly and (b) completely out of keeping with our nice clean
> manpage scheme.
> 
> ncurses can't do it this way in the upstream version because they have
> to support people whose manual programs aren't as good as ours.
> 
> Is it really too hard to sed the manpages ?

I checked a couple of other systems.  SunOS lumps almost everthing into
a single curses.3 manpage and Solaris uses the curs_*.3 style.

My suggestion is to install the ncurses manpages unchanged and add
links (either hard or symbolic) for the names we prefer.

David
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Juergen Menden:
> > well, before you close this bug, can you please tell me what
> > stopps us from changeing this behaviour in our diff file?
 
Dale Scheetz:
> I assume you mean modify the source to change the behavior? There are two
> reasons for not doing this. First, it would create a version of Pine that
> was vastly different than all others versions in existance. This would not
> fix the problem of recieving such mail, as all the other versions of Pine
> would still have this behavior. Second, just how would the feature be
> crippled? Remove the attachement facility entirely? If not, how does one
> determine whether mime encoding should occur? Must the message be 7 bit
> clean?

I'm going to ignore the issue of not fixing the bug because other
people will still be using buggy software.

The best option I can see would be to provide a new option (attach document
as text).  If PINE currently has an "attach as text" option, which really
uses quoted-printable, that option should be relabeled "attach as
quoted-printable".  Any documentation on this option should warn that
some other version of pine have this semantics problem.  [It's
probably not a good idea to get too specific here, because the
official maintainers are free to pick up on the idea if they decide
it's a good one.]

-- 
Raul

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Raul Miller
> > > /etc/init.d/boot sets up a path that doesn't include /usr/local/bin
> > > nor /usr/local/sbin.  In my opinion, the PATH= from /etc/profile
> > > (supplied by the bash package) should be used here as well.  It's
> > > rather silly to have two different default paths for root.
 
Dominik Kubla:
> > No it is not.  It is the basic law of system administration that during
> > system setup the PATH should be as short as possible and only include
> > _MACHINE_LOCAL_ path names (/usr/local might be shared over NFS!).

Miquel van Smoorenburg:
> OK, so I'm closing this bug report.

I think there's a very big opportunity here that's being missed.

We have a large problem of configuring the default path for shells
and such that don't use /etc/profile.  It's fine to have a restricted
path during boot, but this path setting persists long after boot, and
is inherited by everything that init inherits.

Here's another suggestion: include an action 'environment'.  This is
a process that would be run when entering a run level, and would be
run before any other actions at that runlevel.  It will be exec'd by
process 1, rather like the sysinit entry.

Yes, this introduces more possibilities to shoot yourself in the foot,
but init's already that way.

-- 
Raul

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Sorry, my initial package lacked the Depends: line. I corrected this.
Sorry again,
Yves.

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Mike Orr <vielo@u.washington.edu> writes:

> 
> On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we should consider
> > dropping the non-free directory _and_its_contents_ from Debian. We don't
> > really need anything in there, 

I am definitely against this.  I think things are quite apropriate the
way they are.  I feel that the debian site and it's mirrors should be
the defnitive location for debian pacakges.  non-free make it obvious
what's going on, and removing it altogether would just hurt the
distribution.  It also makes a good resting place for packages for we
haven't yet resolved copyright issues.

I do think that giving it a subject based directory heirarchy
paralleling the normal directory is a good idea.

--
Rob

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> Bruce Perens:
> > No, I verified that they were not free, but that their licenses allowed me
> > to put them on a CD and sell them.
> 
> Sorry to bother you again, but I thought non-free was precisely for
> packages which may not be sold on CDs.  Now I am confused.  Please
> explain (at least give examples of such packages) - thanks!

You managed to do that yourself...  PGP is used to sign the changes 
file (I believe), but because of the various patent, export, and 
commercial use restrictions, the US version cannot be exported outside 
of the US (or used commercially) and the International version can't be 
used in the US.  In my opinion, and in Bruce's opinion, this means that 
PGP cannot truely be considered free software, despite the wishes of 
it's authors.  However, it is perfectly fine to include on a CD that 
never crosses the US border.

The license for Alladin Ghostscript (in the non-free directory) does 
not allow certain forms of distribution (including bundling Ghostscript 
on a CD-ROM with commercial software).  This restriction would prevent 
a commercial software producer from bundling Debian including Alladin 
Ghostscript with his commercial product.  This is contrary to the level 
of "free-ness" we want in this distribution, so Alladin Ghostscript is 
therefore non-free.  However, the license explicitly allows 
distribution for profit on CD-ROMs containing only freely distributable 
software.

Pine requires explicit permission for redistribution by for-profit 
organisations, which means that Bruce can put it on his CD-ROMs, 
Software in the Public Interest (Debian) can put it on their CD-ROMs, 
but Yggdrisil or SSC (Linux Journal) can't.  That's too unfree to not 
be in non-free.

XV is shareware, and can't be bundled with "any product".  While XV is 
fairly liberal with its copying policy, it is non-free.  I believe that 
Bruce could bundle it on his CD, but I could be wrong.  XV also 
contains code for LZW compression (to support GIF), and that is 
potentially effected by patent restrictions.

Zip isn't allowed for commercial distribution (but bundling with 
commercial software is OK, with restrictions), and it is unclear if 
modification and subsequent redistribution is allowed.  As long as due 
care was taken, it could be shipped on CD-ROM.

Please note that this covers the majority of the "optional" non-free 
packages.  I don't have many of the "Extra" non-free packages 
installed, so I don't have the copyright notices handy.
--
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liberty depends upon the chaos and cacaphony of the unfettered speech
the First Amendment protects."  -- A.L.A. v. U.S. Dept. of Justice

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OK. I can't get to master at the moment, but I have a (too long) list of
packages to be moved over and I will make sure they are moved into place
ASAP.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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The following problem reports have not yet been marked as `taken up' by a
message to done@bugs.debian.org or or `forwarded' by a
message to forwarded@bugs.debian.org.

OVER 14 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  660 gdb        GDB gets address of structure  David Engel <david@ods.com>
  725 xbase      twm places windows incorrectly Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  740 xbase      xclock leaves `droppings' in i Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  773 xbase      xmh falls over if mh is not in Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  775 xbase      twm reports errors on incorrec Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  797 termcap    /etc/termcap console keydefs f (unknown -- `termcap')
  818 bash       bash builtin `echo' doesn't ch daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
  820 tcsh       tcsh builtin `echo' doesn't ch Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
  821 shellutils /bin/echo doesn't check write  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da

OVER 13 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  825 trn        trn warning messages corrupt t Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
  836 termcap    Possible bugs in termcap syste (unknown -- `termcap')
  887 xarchie    xarchie barfs when ftp closes  Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.s
  889 info       Info 3.1-6                     Erick Branderhorst <branderhors

OVER 12 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  902 lpr        lpr can't print a PostScript f dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
  911 libc4      libc causes rsh to fail on com (unknown -- `libc')
  957 dpkg       dpkg should automatically log  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
  988 bsdutils   `script' is insecure, and gene Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
  998 boot-flopp Can't Configure DOS Partitions Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1009 bash       bash problem with quoting/comp daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1016 procps     top has 3's in vt100           Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su

OVER 11 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1032 boot-flopp Linux Counter Project Info Not Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1037 dpkg       dselect user interface (was Re Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1045 termcap    tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd) (unknown -- `termcap')
 1061 lpr        /etc/printcap vs. /usr/man/man dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 1099 perl       perl bug                       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1108 binutils   No manpage ar(5)               David Engel <david@ods.com>
 1112 gsfonts    a2gs output unusable by gs but joost witteveen <joostje@master
 1118 fortune    fortune is setuid games ?!     dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1130 libc4      Stdlib.h problems when using g (unknown -- `libc')

OVER 10 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1164 shellutils who --help uses /etc/{w,u}tmp  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1170 perl       perl fails to make headers fir Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1176 procps     /usr/bin/top segfault with unk Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1201 perl       perl doesn't know about includ Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1211 libc4      libc __nis_getgrnam() segfault (unknown -- `libc')
 1233 ifrench    Bad french.hash file in ifrenc (orphan)
 1239 findutils  /etc/cron.daily/find: updatedb Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>
 1240 procps     ps(1) man page incomplete      Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1246 procps     ps man page does not agree wit Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1247 perl       perl <...> globbing only works Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>

OVER 9 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1265 uucp       Misc. uucp bugs                dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1275 xarchie    xarchie clumsy with 2-button m Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.s
 1278 libc4      dpkg seg faults with NIS       (unknown -- `libc')
 1279 libc4      Strangeness involving <bsd/sig (unknown -- `libc')
 1281 bin86      bin86                          (unknown -- `bin')
 1292 xserver-sv X locks up                     Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1303 binutils   `man 1 nm` slightly incomplete David Engel <david@ods.com>
 1314 ncurses3.0 ncurses fails in silly way on  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 1336 procps     CFLAGS shouldn't be used when  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1366 acm        acm networking problems        Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1372 boot-flopp rootdisk: no dvorak keytable   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1378 libc4      weird ELF/a.out difference     (unknown -- `libc')
 1381 workbone   workbone postinst fails        dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G

OVER 8 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1399 dpkg       dselect error handling not con Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1406 backup     backup postrm can fail when it (unknown -- `backup')
 1411 perl       perlconfig misses an opportuni Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1429 bibtex, kp several TeX packages Provide t Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1451 ghostview  `ghostviewR6' conflict with gh Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.
 1467 ax25-kerne `ax25-kernel-source', `ax25-ut (unknown -- `ax')
 1468 glibcdoc   `glibcdoc' should use `info-br Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1480 dpkg       start-stop-daemon doesn't chec Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1481 smail      smail paniclog suggestion      Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1488 dld        dld control file dsccription p gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 1502 ltxtool lt Uniform lists in debian.contro Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1526 dpkg       man dpkg(5) dpkg(8) dselect    Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1532 repair     no revision number with repair Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 1533 procps     `w' produces bogus login@, idl Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1549 bash       bash should not have world-rea daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1555 dpkg       suggestion for dselect         Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1560 shellutils `su' produces incomplete log e daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1616 shellutils 'who' can't find utmp          daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1621 xbase      Xmark has no manpage           Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1624 bash       thermal run away problem       daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1642 dpkg       dpkg recursive package listing Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1647 texbin     dpkg can present incorrect inf Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1653 texbin     Missing dvicopy(1) man page.   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1663 texbin     TeX comes without configuratio Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1664 texbin     TeX is lacking documentation o Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1670 dpkg       start-stop-daemon is too slow  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1672 (ftp.debia non-free packages              (unknown -- `(ftp.debian.org)')
 1681 cron       Missing files                  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 1685 libc4      dpkg-split --msdos not correct (unknown -- `libc')
 1686 mfbin      psfonts.map can't be found     Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1690 xbase      XDM protection fault on X conf Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1691 xbase      X config allows invalid numeri Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1693 smail      forwarded message from Harald  Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1699 base       Install/Config quirks: Missing Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1702 bash       telnet+su root->thermal proces daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1703 xtron      xtron documentation            Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au

OVER 7 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1707 image      image 1.2.13-5 has no msdos.o  (unknown -- `image')
 1708 adduser? m `passwd' not interruptible whe Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 1711 adduser    adduser replaces NIS entries i Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 1713 procps     procps: manpage doesn't tell t Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1714 bash       bash is confused when breaking daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1717 gopherd    gopherd recommends freeWAIS -  Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1718 gopherd    gopherd version has spurious q Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1742 base       /dev/tty has wrong permissions Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1744 image      dpkg: cannot scan updates dire (unknown -- `image')
 1746 bash       rsh <system> sh -i produces CP daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1747 nas        nas: no manpages for au availa Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 1759 source     running out of swap causes dea (unknown -- `source')
 1767 cern-httpd cern-httpd installation        Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 1771 ltxtool    Legal problems with ltxtool    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1774 libc4      <paths.h>: _PATH_DEFPATH conta (unknown -- `libc')
 1791 dosemu     dosemu troubles                Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 1794 base       /bin/sh is shell when none spe Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1796 xserver-s3 missing call to ntohs in X ser (unknown -- `xserver-s')
 1797 dpkg       ELF conversion                 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1799 smail      smail nameresloving problems   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1803 termcap    /etc/termcap linux definition  (unknown -- `termcap')
 1812 textutils  Cut in textutils with fields   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1818 dpkg       Perl perlconfig message        Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1819 xbase      X11 doesn't set a lock on the  Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1823 texbin     texbin postinst failed with er Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1831 pgp-i      pgp-i bug..                    Ian Jackson <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.u
 1834 bash       [kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de: daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1845 trn        dead.letter and dead.article a Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 1851 gopher-cli gopher-client-2.1.1 has quotes Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1853 procps     top fails after 130 processes? Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1854 fileutils  cp -dpR doesn't preserve owner daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1855 base       packages adding entries to /et Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1856 perl       creating perl header files     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1858 kpathsea   kpathsea package does not inst Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1865 kpathsea   cmr10 at 10.0pt not loadable:  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n

OVER 6 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1873 dvipsk     dvipsk ignores /etc/papersize! Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1874 a2ps       a2ps ignores /etc/papersize!   (unknown -- `a')
 1879 emacs      Emacs shell mode weirdness - l Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 1881 majordomo  Majordomo UID wrong?           Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 1885 base       base 0.93.6-13: doesn't create Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1901 kbd        `compose' keytable command not Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 1908 procps     Top and tabs                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1914 image      general protection in unix_pro (unknown -- `image')
 1916 perl       perl: wrong entries in Config. Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1921 dpkg       dpkg,update-alternatives: 3 pr Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1922 source     1.3.43 Kernel is too nice      (unknown -- `source')
 1923 lpr        lpr not de-installing          dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 1929 smail      aliasinclude and forwardinclud Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1930 mime-suppo metamail wants xloadimage      Brian White <bcwhite@pobox.com>
 1933 procps     w from procps gives wrong idle Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1934 mfbin      font scaling problem           Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1946 samba      nmbd won't browse              Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 1954 base       setting up the network         Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1955 base       base discs still aren't creati Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1962 image      kernel needs sbpcd.h editing i (unknown -- `image')
 1971 librl      librl should be in required    (unknown -- `librl')
 1972 perl       perl should suggest kernel sou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1973 workbone   workbone postinst needs reword dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1981 xcontrib   xman fails to format ascii(7)  Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.u
 1984 workbone   dpkg won't install cdtool      dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1985 xbase      xdm won't redirect to remote m Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1989 image      mmap bug?                      (unknown -- `image')
 1995 cron       run-parts on laptops           Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 1997 ncurses3.0 ncurses linux terminal definit (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2001 base       Incorrect ownership of audio d Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2009 mailx      mailx ignores ^C at Subject pr Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2010 mailx      mailx misses VM-generated From Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2011 libc4      very silly messages from rsh   (unknown -- `libc')
 2022 ?          utmp corruption                (unknown)
 2023 texbin     latex dumps core on -QUIT      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2027 web2c      tiny bug in web2c debian.rules (unknown -- `web')
 2037 bibtex     bibtex not searching $TEXINPUT Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2038 texbin     tex man page has unexpanded ma Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2039 xserver-ma X server font erosion          (unknown -- `xserver-mach')

OVER 5 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2045 ksmbfs     smb[u]mount not suid root      Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2047 grep       grep segfaults when abused     Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 2051 xntp       /etc/ntp.conf is an auto-handl Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2052 cron       find over NFS                  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2054 latex,xdvi no subject (file transmission) Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2063 source     scsi driver sequence unreasona (unknown -- `source')
 2064 source     aha1740 driver only supports o (unknown -- `source')
 2067 lynx       lynx -source can't find docume Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2068 shellutils su doesn't su.                 daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2070 base       /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2076 ncurses-bi reset(1)                       Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2085 ncurses3.0 /usr/lib/termcap/l/linux kbs C (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2099 ax25-util  slip module stops axattach     (unknown -- `ax')
 2104 dvipsk     dvips doesn't provide color    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2105 image      console error messages "Source (unknown -- `image')
 2110 bash       Bash tab completion of non alp daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2112 inn        Submission for INN doc file    Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2122 xdvik      xdvik doesn't handle the `zcat Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2130 ncurses3.0 ncurses3.0-dev misinstalls scr (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2158 ncurses-te new ncurses bug ?              Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2159 procps     "ps pids" lists more than just Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su

OVER 4 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2161 binutils   elf-binutils 2.5.2l.20-1 ld ca David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2167 timezone   timezone zdump for US zones gi Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2169 timezone   timezone zdump utility should  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2170 timezone   timezone: it needs more docume Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2171 timezone   timezone: how to determine zon Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2177 strace     "strace -ff -o file dpkg --ins Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@wi.l
 2182 perl       perl shouldn't touch /usr/loca Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2183 emacs      emacs shouldn't touch /usr/loc Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2184 perl       perl's sys/socket.ph causes wa Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2185 mflib      texmf/metafont or texmf/mf ?   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2186 texlib     national hyphenation patterns  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2196 ytalk      ytalk `shell' option can't run Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2197 hdparm     hdparm -c switch               gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2198 uucp       uuxqt can't execute rmail      dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2200 ghostview  Description                    Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.
 2204 ksmbfs     Description                    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2205 most       Description                    Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 2206 rsynth     Description                    Marcel Riedi <riedi@tik.ee.ethz
 2209 dld        Description                    gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2211 auto-pgp   Description                    Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 2217 kbd        loadkeys problem               Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2220 inn        INN feed password interacts ba Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2231 mathpad    mathpad problems               Erick Branderhorst <branderh@de
 2233 groff      groff-1.09-4                   Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 2235 emacs      emacs eats manual pages        Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2238 kbd        another loadkeys problem       Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2241 perl       Perl 5.002-3 handles LANG and  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2242 mc (Midnig mc should depend on ncurses3.0 Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2243 xbase      xterm vanishes when it's big ( Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2251 perl       Perl coredumps while invoking  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2254 perl       perl doesn't initialize variab Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2265 bash       bash `horizontal scroll' can't daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2267 emacs      emacs ange ftp fails           Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2268 cern-httpd stale documentation links      Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2275 timezone   ctime(3) should be replaced by Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2284 mailx      mailx ^C at Cc: prompt sends m Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2291 ncurses3.0 missing terminfo capabilities  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2292 shellutils date does not support dates pa daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2293 uucp       uucp should compress big files dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2295 lynx       (no subject)                   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2296 (debian-bu debian-bugs WWW doesn't say ho (unknown -- `(debian-bugs)')
 2297 xbase      xterm gets mouse-paste and RET Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2298 trn        trn bug with shell escaping    Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 2301 bash       bash doesn't document any way  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2302 rcs        RCS - problems with msdos file Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 2304 mount      umount calls gethostbyname() a Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2305 xosview    xosview doesn't work?          joost witteveen <joostje@master
 2309 adduser    Multiple root accounts         Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 2311 svgalib    svgalib has undocumented setui (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2313 xbase      xterm keymapping problems susp Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2318 emacs      Emacs makes it hard for MTAs t Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2321 libc5 (and libc doesn't use **h_aliases ( (unknown -- `libc')
 2334 mh         MH scan -width dumps core      Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo

OVER 3 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2338 cron       finds in cron.daily should be  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2342 libgr      libpng too old (0.71) for Aren Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2343 libgr      libgz obsolete and confusing n Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2345 shellutils Inclusion of shadow breaks up  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2346 mh         MH can lose mail               Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2348 smail      Smail fails to define NO_PETER Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 2353 xterm-colo postrm script broken           Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
 2356 mailx      mailx -- problems with TMPDIR  Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2357 dvipsk     dvipsk generated PS causes `re Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2360 xbase      xdm cannot find a free VT      Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2362 bash       bash (readline) dumps core on  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2365 pine       Pine erases message before I c Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 2367 pine       Pine supplies PATH line when p Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 2379 svgalib1   svgalib postinst broken        (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2382 nvi        would like `view' link for nvi Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2387 libc5-dev  gethostbyaddr(3) ill documente (unknown -- `libc')
 2392 emacs      Emacs mishandles fonts under X Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2402 procps     ps no longer understands `g' o Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2403 xntp       xntpd fails with kernel 1.3.68 Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2405 perl       perl postinst messages re unct Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2412 xosview    xosview can't do -net nor -cua joost witteveen <joostje@master
 2417 emacs      emacs inferior process buffers Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2423 smail      scattered sendmail links       Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 2425 ispell     ispell thinks `formated' is co Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@
 2426 apache     apache overwrites existing hom Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2427 procps     top d 60 fails                 Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2428 nvi        nvi segmentation faults        Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2430 kermit     kermit configuration script is (unknown -- `kermit')
 2431 emacs      Emacs mishandles X fonts.      Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2439 sysvinit   rc?.d scripts sometimes not ru Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2440 perl       sys/socket.ph produces spuriou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2450 cdtool     `cdir' prints out huge chunks  dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 2455 svgalib1   can't install svgalib1-1.28-5  (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2460 procps     bizarre output from `free'     Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2463 image      "msdos" filesystem needed for  (unknown -- `image')
 2470 image      in kernel Attached ether adapt (unknown -- `image')
 2474 ncurses-bi /usr/bin/reset does the wrong  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2475 at         `at' uses middle-endian 2-digi Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 2476 emacs      emacs mucks up my email addres Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2477 emacs      annoying bug in emacs          Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2478 emacs      ange ftpd croaks on anonftpd   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2479 emacs      ange-ftp is incredibly ineffic Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2481 (general)  /sbin/ldconfig in scripts      (unknown -- `(general)')
 2483 libdb1     libdb1 uses not-yet-completely (unknown -- `libdb')
 2484 libgdbm1   libgdbm1 conflicts with some v (unknown -- `libgdbm')
 2486 xwpe       Ghost packages                 dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2493 gcc        GCC -O3 produces unsatisfied e David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2495 perl       perl requires tcsh (as it is c Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2497 amd        Fixes for amd-upl102           Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2500 emacs      (no subject)                   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2501 perl       (no subject)                   Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2502 perl       configure fails if /vmlinuz is Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2503 e2ctags, e elvis and emacs both provide c (unknown -- `e')
 2504 libdb      remove -m486 from Makefile     (unknown -- `libdb')
 2510 rxvt       rxvt-2.14 breaks old scripts   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2520 procps     procps needs dependency on ncu Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2524 base       problems with base package     Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2529 libgr-dev  libgr and libgr-dev both provi Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2530 bind       bind locks up system           Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2531 dpkg       install-info should use better Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2532 emacs      Emacs fails to use `set -e' in Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2536 dpkg       dpkg inappropriately marks pac Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2538 base       audio devices have different g Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2542 netatalk   No default config files?       Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 2547 tf         tf does not support visual mod Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au

Over two months old - attention is required:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2555 lpr        lpd source files aren't clean  dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2556 lpr        "\031\1"                       dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2557 elm        add to elm manpage             Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2562 elm        elm manpage paths incorrect    Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2569 boot-flopp bootdisk: Leading dot in dnsdo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2573 libc5-dev  sysinfo system call not in lib (unknown -- `libc')
 2575 ytalk      ytalk lies about who you are t Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2576 dpkg       base: selecting [A]ccess with  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2589 perl       perl can't load libdb.so.1     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2590 perl       new revision of perl does not  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2591 dialog     rootdisk                       David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2592 elvis      Elvis Compilation Peoblem      (unknown -- `elvis')
 2593 perl       perl tries to install in /usr/ Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2596 emacs      install-info (v1.1.2) creates  Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2603 dpkg       dpkg-1.1.3 seg fault when inst Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2604 ash        ash: cc: Internal compiler err Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2605 ifrench    #1233,#1793 (ifrench doesn't w (orphan)
 2607 man        man and mandb invocation error Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2609 emacs      (no subject)                   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2610 libg++27   support for m68k-linux         Andreas Schwab <schwab@issan.in
 2621 texbin     unstable/texbin install fails  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2630 emacs      emacs package needs to break c Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2634 emacs      emacs hung                     Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2637 man        unstable/man loops building in Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2638 man        unstable/man loops building in Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2648 mh                                        Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2650 win32binut win32binutils has /usr/bin/fle (unknown -- `win')
 2658 perl       Errors during perlconfig       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2661 mh         dist and mh both have a dist m Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2664 dpkg       dselect problems with dpkg-1.1 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2671 timezone   timezone Mexico/General doesn' Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2682 timezone   Zoneinfo library has a name-cl Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2688 base       base: wrong group for rft* dev Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2689 xemacs     (no subject)                   (unknown -- `xemacs')
 2690 netatalk   netatalk: a few small problems Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 2691 perl       new perl break suid scripts    Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2692 image      kernel swap space problem      (unknown -- `image')

Over one month old:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2699 ytalk      ytalk doesn't use FQDNs        Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2701 seyon      seyon: dpkg --purge doesn't wo Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 2703 apache     apache: wrong location of icon Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2709 emacs      emacs should list /usr/lib/ema Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2710 xterm-colo colour xterm has problems when Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
 2712 man        man fails to recover correctly Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2714 emacs      Emacs and XEmacs share files   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2717 (general)  conffiles in /usr              (unknown -- `(general)')
 2721 procps     free fails to understand recen Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2728 procps     top coredump                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2731 emacs      emacs with gud creates ~/.term Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2733 mailx      /usr/bin/mail leaves lock file Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2737 arrl-infos arrl-infoserv: missing source  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2738 boot-flopp Installing Debian 1.1          Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2739 boot-flopp Configuring Network with Debia Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2740 boot-flopp Configuring Network with Debia Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2741 base       First booting with Debian 1.1  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2749 ltxmisc    ltxmisc: missing source file   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2751 mfbasfnt   mfbasfnt: missing source file  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2758 dld        dld: missing source file       gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2759 glibcdoc   glibcdoc: missing source file  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2762 ax25-kerne ax25-kernel-source: missing so (unknown -- `ax')
 2763 textfm     textfm: missing source file    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2764 texpsfnt   texpsfnt: missing source file  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2765 ax25-util  ax25-util: missing source file (unknown -- `ax')
 2766 texlib     texlib: missing source file    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2772 mflib      mflib: missing source file     Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2774 syslinux   syslinux: missing source file  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2783 trn        trn needs to provide virtual p Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 2785 timezone   Timezone has static library?   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2789 elm        elm doesn't show rest of pgp-s Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2796 sysvinit   sysvinit makes obsolete symbol Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2797 nvi        nvi dumped core?               Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2799 man        mandb doesn't like manpage for Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2802 apache     apache tweaks                  Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2803 xdvik      xdvi does not handle redraws o Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2806 ncurses3.0 ncurses man pages internal inc (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2808 cron       wrong crontab entry for atrun  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2809 xntp       No manpages in xntp package    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2810 uucp       uucp postrm should use -f flag dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2812 apache     Apache server: SECURITY HOLE   Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2814 apache     Apache 1.0.3: wrong manpage    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2818 bash       bash doesn't provide enough do daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2819 bind       named loses (in an easily fixe Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2822 inn        Some minor glitches with the i Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2823 mc         mc segfaults on reconnect of f Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2825 nvi        restricted movement in nvi     Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2828 dpkg       have to install xosview twice  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2829 emacs      emacs: gdb says: slashes aren' Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2832 nvi        nvi likes turning auto-margins Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2834 dpkg       desect loses state if it can't Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2839 xemacs     Xemacs problems                (unknown -- `xemacs')
 2840 base       Conflicting entries in login/g Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2841 procps     top produces `$<3>' at end of  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2850 boot-flopp nfs.o isn't loaded in clean de Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2852 g77        Bug 2711: g77 does not include (unknown -- `g')
 2855 nvi        nvi changes xterm settings...  Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2856 bash       fd leak in bash                daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2861 manpages   glob(3) references glob(7); th Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 2862 man        man 9menu doesn't work         Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2863 ncurses-ba dselect and ncurses in select  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2864 amd        serious bug in amd!            Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2868 amd        amd hangs on tcsh hostname com Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2870 dpkg-ftp   dpkg-ftp-1.4.1 bug             awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 2872 apache     Apache starts several times    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2874 gpm        gpm will not work if the syste Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 2876 svgalib1   svgalib will not work in a set (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2884 tkman      tkman doesn't use /var/catman  David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2889 base       no NCR 53c810 driver in 1.1 bo Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2891 taper      taper documentation is missing Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 2892 setserial  setserial marked as Essential  Gordon Russell <gor@dcs.napier.
 2893 boot-flopp forwarded 1.1 installation bug Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2894 dpkg       dpkg guidelines info files not Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2895 base       base -- incorrect passwd entry Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2896 libdb      postinst has bad permissions 6 (unknown -- `libdb')
 2899 libreadlin postinst has bad permissions 6 (unknown -- `libreadline')
 2904 dpkg       install-info doesn't cope with Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2906 glibcdoc   Inconsistency in libc.info re  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2908 sysvinit   mesg sets wrong permissions on Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2909 gcc        GCC Info has funny formatting  David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2910 gcc        GCC accepts multi-line strings David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2911 dpkg       Conffiles are deleted too late Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2913 ipx        ipx bootup scripts are broken  mrn20@cam.ac.uk (Michael R. Non
 2914 boot-flopp (no subject)                   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2919 fort77     very bad fort77 installation m (unknown -- `fort')
 2920 base       incorrect entry for nobody in  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2923 cdtool     CD-ROM device /dev/hdc permiss dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 2926 lilo       Lilo: can't make documentation Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2927 base       /usr/info/dir in base confuses Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2928 base       nobody has wrong login shell   Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2929 dpkg       dpkg-name 1.1.6 is broken.     Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2933 dpkg-ftp   dpkg-ftp needs perl 5.002      awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 2934 apache     Some cgi scripts don't work    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2937 (bootdisk) Copyright message function key (unknown -- `(bootdisk)')
 2938 procps     libproc is in wrong place      Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2939 dpkg       Bad dpkg/ldconfig Interaction  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2940 image      image-1.3.64-0 lacks scsi tape (unknown -- `image')
 2941 (ftp.debia lots of hyphens in archive     (unknown -- `(ftp.debian.org)')
 2942 timezone?, Wrong timezone for Europe/Wars Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2945 (rootdisk) Bus Error given by rootdisk    (unknown -- `(rootdisk)')
 2946 lynx       Lynx gives fatal error message Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2949 mandelspaw mandelspawn still a.out! (Depe Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2956            beta experience                (unknown)
 2959 shellutils date +%Z bug                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2962 ncurses3.0 dselect arrow keys don't work  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2964 lynx       lynx -dump fails through proxy Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2965 lynx       lynxexec not compiled into lyn Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2966 (debian-bu bugs2ftp is broken             (unknown -- `(debian-bugs)')
 2969 man        zsoelim [in man] is confused b Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2970 groff      soelim [in groff] is confused  Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 2971 mailx      mailx doesn't quit on two succ Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2972 mfbin      MetaFONT linked against X libr Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2973 dpkg       install-info created 5 Develop Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2975 base       [base] missing /dev entries    Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2977 vgrind     vgrind: name clash causes core Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.
 2978 base       May 13 15:51:25 lohi wu-ftpd[3 Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2982 xntp       xntp calls ntpdate at start    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2989 rxvt       rxvt source bug                Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2991 elm        nfrm is not installed...       Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2998 (bug track bugs2ftp still flaky           (unknown -- `(bug')
 3002 base       majordomo has conflicting grou Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3006 ldso       ldso message about cache warni David Engel <david@ods.com>

Submitted in the last month:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 3019 kernel_ima no 386 support in kernel_image (unknown -- `kernel_image')
 3026 xbase      xbase et al postinst doesn't f Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3027 base       updatedb can't run properly    Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3028 weblint    bad weblint permission         Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3031 boot-flopp various boot-floppies nits     Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3034 lpr        SOLVED: can't remove print job dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3035 nvi        nvi dumps core                 Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3036 base       automatic adduser/addgroup in  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3038 lpr        SOLVED: can't remove print job dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3039 base       MAKEDEV script does not create Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3040 kernel-ima Sound module in 1.3.95 kernel  (unknown -- `kernel-image')
 3042 elm        Elm produces bogus Content-Typ Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 3044 tkdiff     tkdiff -- calls wrong "wish" p krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sack
 3046 smail      Smail configuration problem?   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3047 cron       cron script problem?           Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3050 xbmbrowser xbmbrowser man page installed  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3052 guile      guile is missing slib.info.gz  Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3053 gnats      gnats: typo in postinst omits  bcwhite@pobox.com (Brian C. Whi
 3056 ash        ash-source contains objects    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3060 sysklogd   problems with new sysklogd-1.3 Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
 3064 boot-flopp need a pointer in /usr/doc/boo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3065 lsof       lsof looks for /System.map     Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.
 3066 various    a.out binaries in various pack (unknown -- `various')
 3067 xaw3d      broken libXaw3d                (unknown -- `xaw')
 3070 base       base copyright string          Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3073 xbase      xbase contains imake and xmkmf Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3075 lpr, magic lpr, magicfilter, dvi-fonts fa dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3077 mfbin      gray font .mf files missing fr Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3080 procps     error message in syslog caused Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3084 timezone   missing timezones              Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3087 shellutils Bug in date.                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3089 trn        trn -- needs to depend on "ine Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 3093 perl       Perl dumps core                Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3095 xbase      xbase kills xdm and *then* ask Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3096 lxtools    lxtools: user error (misuse of Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3098 man        man-2.3.10-11 segfaults        Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3099 cron       /etc/cron.daily/standard secur Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3102 procps     top has problems when not on c Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3103 sysklogd   "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
 3105 lynx       lynx access to dot files is di Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3106 kernel-ima v 1.1 beta kernel image not fo (unknown -- `kernel-image')
 3107 nas        nas postinst could use a warni Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 3108 snmp       snmpd provides too much inform David Engel <david@ods.com>
 3109 man        man 9menu unpleasant           Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3110 xbase?     X servers muck up xdm when uni Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3112 uucp       UUCP uses /usr/spool/uucp (and dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 3113 ncurses3.0 dselect provokes ncurses probl (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3114 cron       cron.daily/standard script     Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3115 taper      taper recommends ftape         Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3119 emacs      emacs font handling            Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3121 boot-flopp boot-floppies doesn't have bas Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3122 miscutils  run-parts should ignore RCS    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3124 cern-httpd CERN httpd sends useless cron  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3125 dpkg       bug (and correction) in dpkg-1 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3126 pbmplus    pbmplus postinst               Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.
 3128 mc         mc-3.2.1-1 needs libgpm.so.1   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3130 sysvinit   sysvinit init.d/network script Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3135 psnfss     psnfss has no Architecture fie Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3140 sysvinit   /etc/init.d/boot has rm -f bug Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3142 (rootdisk) 1.1 installation and large par (unknown -- `(rootdisk)')
 3143 sysvinit   sysvinit init.d/network script Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3144 octave     octave fails to dynamically lo Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3146 (base)     1.1 installation: ae doesn't w (unknown -- `(base)')
 3147 rootdisk   May 19 boot floppies...        Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3148 cron       Cron: Cannot stat in /var/spoo Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3149 base       upgrading base truncates utmp  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3151 sendmail   Sendmail runs too late         Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3153 inn        inn ctlinnd not readable/execu Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3155 spice      spice still on my system       (unknown -- `spice')
 3156 lpr        lpr and smail uuname returned  dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3157 fileutils  df from fileutils calls sync() daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3158 most       most differs from man page     Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 3161            Newbie 1.1beta installation.   (unknown)
 3162 xbase      disconnects between ncurses-ba Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3163 ncurses-ba disconnects between ncurses-ba Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 3164 smail      runq dumps core                Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3165 manpages   fcntl(2) references nonexisten Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 3166 nvi        SIGSEGV on TERM=dumb           Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3169 genscript  dvipsk doesn't use /etc/papers Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3170 dpkg       again dpkg --root=xxx          Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3172 autoconf   Autoconf does not provide conf Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3174 bash       set -i doesn't work in bash    daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3175 xonix      xonix colors bad for colorblin Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3176 mandelspaw mandelspawn slave problems     Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3177 bash       sh -nc <command> actually runs daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3179 emacs      emacs ctags segfaults          Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3180 linuxdoc-s linuxdoc-sgml semantics and fo Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3181 man        apropos in package man depends Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3182 cron       cron's checksecurity runs find Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3183 base       permissions problems with /var Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3184 xonix      xonix creates /var/lib/games w Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3185 (bootdisk) (no subject)                   (unknown -- `(bootdisk)')
 3186 xfractint  Can't chdir                    Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3189 nvi        nvi over-cautious about .exrc? Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3190 libc5      rlogin takes far too long when (unknown -- `libc')
 3191 ncurses    reset(1) doesn't bring an xter (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3192 ncurses    tset(1) man page problem       (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3195 kernel-ima "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" fail (unknown -- `kernel-image-')
 3196 ispell     ispell symlinks broken         Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@
 3197 procmail   wrong uid/gid in /usr/doc/proc Wendal Catt <wendal@southwind.n
 3198 dviljk     dviljk is still aout! :-(      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3199 lists.debi Bizarre message from debian-de (unknown -- `lists.debian.org')
 3201 screen     screen ^a:exec !  doesn't clea joost witteveen <joostje@debian
 3202 dviljk     dviljk doesn't read stdin!!! : Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3206 rc         rc terminates on CTRL-C        Simon Shapiro <shimon@i-Connect
 3207 ncurses3.0 strange screen update choices  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3208 amd        amd bug                        Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3210 kbd        loadkeys infelicities          Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3212 perl       Perl recommends nonexistent pa Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3213 fortune    fortune need libc.so.4         dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 3216 auto-pgp   auto-pgp doesn't remove info e Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 3217 auctex     auctex postrm has bad call to  Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.
 3218 dpkg       install-info adds Miscellaneou Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3220 man        apropos dumps core             Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3222 jargon     Jargon info entry in wrong cat Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3223 guile      guile installs entry for slib, Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3224 apsfilter  apsfilter doesn't configure on Doug Geiger <runexe@ntplx.net>
 3225            dpkg-1.2.3 upgrade problems fr (unknown)
 3227 login      login refuses, and then allows Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
 3228 xfig       upgrading xfig clobbers app de joost witteveen <joostje@debian
 3230 perl       why the hell does perl depend  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3231 base       /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib not pr Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3233            dselect for 1.1 as of June, 2n (unknown)
 3234 nvi        nvi segfaults if stty rows 0 c Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3235 nvi        nvi gives unhelpful message fo Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3236 (ftp.debia auto-pgp in non-free, mailcryp (unknown -- `(ftp.debian.org)')
 3240 libdb      [libdb]: obsolete bugfix       (unknown -- `libdb')
 3241 emacs      derived.el fails in emacs      Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3242 perl       perl's dependencies are wrong  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3244 libc5      (no subject)                   (unknown -- `libc')
 3245            mc should depend on gpm        (unknown)
 3246 xcompat    Cant load library libXt.so.6   Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.u
 3247 lilo       Lilo unpack removes boot.b     Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3250 cfingerd   cfingerd descriptive text      Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3252 base       base template /usr/info/dir ma Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3253 pine       Pine over-encodes files (came  Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3254 magicfilte magicfilter recommends dvips,  David Frey <David.Frey@eos.lugs
 3255 apsfilter  apsfilter recommends gs, dvips Doug Geiger <runexe@ntplx.net>
 3256            sysklogd message in postinst   (unknown)
 3257 debianutil syntax error in /sbin/installk Guy Maor <maor@debian.org>
 3258 pcmcia-cs  pcmcia-cs minor postinst bug   (unknown -- `pcmcia-cs')
 3259 util-linux [c]fdisk does not recognize NE Guy Maor <maor@debian.org>
 3260 procps     psupdate man page out of date  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3261 apmd       apmd incorrectly sets clock fo Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd@qed.econ
 3262 gopherd    Gopherd problems               Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 3263 sysvinit   [sysvinit] /dev/urandom suppor Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3265 kernel-ima kernel-image and PS/2 mouse pr (unknown -- `kernel-image')
 3267 xbase      Unqualified hostnames in rstar Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3268 kernel-ima network modules don't work wit (unknown -- `kernel-image-')
 3269            bootdisk silently fails-change (unknown)
 3270            bugs                           (unknown)
 3271 nethack    new nethack screws up on linux Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3272            bug in root disks...           (unknown)
 3273 manpages   apparently unintended files in Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 3274 screen     typo in screen manpage         joost witteveen <joostje@debian
 3275 dpkg       dpkg --no-act leaves control i Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3276 screen     screen upgrade trashes running joost witteveen <joostje@debian
 3277 perl       nit: perl setup emits a \n     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3279 bootdisk/r ne2000 lockups during instalat Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3280 gpm        (no subject)                   Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3281            Test 2                         (unknown)
 3282 tkdesk     TkDesk doesn't install compres Craig Sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
 3283 perl       /usr/bin/perlconfig should be  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3284 giftrans   giftrans is free               Erick Branderhorst <branderhors
 3285 linuxdoc-s possibly unintended files inst Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3287 maelstrom  (no subject)                   Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3288 abuse      abuse can't save               Doug Geiger <runexe@ntplx.net>
 3289 sysvinit   sysvinit wipes out network con Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3292 xcal       xcal app-defaults shouldn't be Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
 3295 perl       perls debian.rules doesn't wor Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3296            /bin/perl is not updated       (unknown)
 3299 doc-debian guidelines.texi refers to "Deb Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde

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Manoj:
> It'll be difficult for me to upload any packages without pgp

Yes, PGP is the one everyone mentions. There is a lot of other
interesting stuff in there, that there's really no good reason
_except_for_marketing_ for us to drop from the distribution. In
addition, there are a lot of people who don't want it dropped.

I guess we can leave things the way they are and just say that the
system is entirely free and there are directories of non-free and
contributed software that are accessories to, not really part of,
Debian.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hi,
>>"Brian" == Brian Mays <bem5r@virginia.edu> writes:

>
Brian> This is good; things are much clearer now.  So dchanges should
Brian> be run with the -n (no edit) option and perhaps a cs="New
Brian> kernel version $(KVERS)." override?

	Right.  Hmmm.  You also need to know who is going to sign the
 modules produced (and is unlikely to be the primary maintainer for
 the module, espescially since all the modules have different
 maintainers anyway ;-)

	So, I need to send in the name of the person running the
 kernel build, to be used in the dchanges pgp=XXX option.

	Also, (this is a user interface issue), where should the
 finished module files be produced by the target kdist* in the
 module's debian.rules?

 (1) /usr/src/module-X-$(KVERS)_$(version)_$(arch).deb ?
	or in 
 (2) $(KSRC)/../module-X-$(KVERS)_$(version)_$(arch).deb?

	My /usr/src is on a tiny, ancient partition; all my free space
 happens to reside on /var, so I put my kernel sources there, and
 would like the built things to be produced there as well.

	Also, all the resulting packages will be in one place if we
 use option (2) above, and allows the user to dictate where the files
 are ceated, to an extent. In the default case, KSRC=/usr/src/linux,
 and everything *will* be created into /usr/src/, but we are not
 locked into that directory.

So, This is what I have now:
 ...
 ...
# only generate module image packages modules_image: for
$$module in $(MODULE_LOC)/* ; do \ (cd $$module; \
   ./debian.rules KVERS=$(version) KSRC=$(SRCTOP) \ 
                  KMAINT=$(maintainer) kdist_image; )\
 done

# generate the modules package and sign them with dchanges
modules: for $$module in $(MODULE_LOC)/* ; do \ (cd $$module; \
   ./debian.rules KVERS=$(version) KSRC=$(SRCTOP) \
                  KMAINT=$(maintainer)  kdist; ) \
done

	Have I missed any other information that might be needed by
 the modules?

	Hmm.  This proposal should probably be gathered together and put
 into a coherent document, destined ultimately to be put into
 /usr/doc/debian/package-developer/ or something like that, after its
 blessed by Brian/Simon/Bruce/Ian. (I've saved the last few  messages,
 thankfully). 

	manoj

-- 
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I'm running into a rather serious "screen" bug:
start screen, exit from it, and *nobody* can login to your mashine
anymore (at least not via telnet): telnet will say:

  You must exec login from the lowest level shell.

The problem is that I'm not sure the bug is in screen. It
appears that the login progaramme tries to see if the current
tty (ttyname()) is in use already with getutline().

Now, if I log in with a login binary installed with extra debugging,
I see that the ttyname login is using is corect, and unused.
At least, both "who" and "last -f /var/run/utmp" don't show the
ttyname as used.
But for some reason,  getutline(&ut) decides to report it in use,
and the login fails.

Now, I don't know exactly what getutline is supposed to do
(no "man getutline", didn't unpack libc), so maybe it's right, and
it's screen that leaves utmp in a corrupt state.

I guess i'll have to go back to an old screen version just before monday,
if I don't find it, but I would love to hear from other people, what
might be the problem. (I would also like to know how many people
affects this).



For the really interested: lost's of numbers.

libc5.2.18-8, screen-3.7.1-4, netbase 2.03-1, netstd 2.03-1.


Maybe somebody knows more about what utmp entries aught to look
like than I do. In this utmp file, the offending tty is ttypf,
while "who" and "last -f utmp" don't report anyone on ttypf.

begin 644 utmp
M`0```#1.``!^``````````````!^?@``2W&_,7)U;FQE=F5L````````````
M```````````````&````2$<``'1T>3$``````````#$```#_J<$Q3$]'24X`
M``````````````````````````````<```!G"P``='1Y<#``````````<#``
M`%+TOS%P971E<@```')U;&=M:2YL96ED96YU;FG49@!`!P```"D>``!T='EP
M,0````````!P,0``.73`,6IO;W-T````.C`N,````````````````-1F`$`'
M````RBL``'1T>7`R`````````'`R``"7*,$Q:F]O<W0````Z,"XP````````
M````````U&8`0`<```#A*P``='1Y<#,`````````<#,``%(IP3%J;V]S=```
M`#HP+C````````````````#49@!`!P```+DV``!T='EP-`````````!P-```
MAVO!,6IO;W-T````.C`N,````````````````-1F`$``````````````````
M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
M````````````!P```"E%``!T='EP-P````````!P-P``2:+!,6IO;W-T````
M.C`N,````````````````-1F`$`'````UU4``'1T>7`X`````````'`X``#L
MT<$Q:F]O<W0````Z,"XP````````````````U&8`0`<```"[.```='1Y<#D`
M````````<#D```9TP3%J;V]S=````#HP+C````````````````#49@!`!P``
M`'Y#``!T='EP8@````````!P8@``CIG!,6IO;W-T````.C`N,```````````
M`````-1F`$`'````[T8``'1T>7!C`````````'!C``#MI\$Q:F]O<W0````Z
M,"XP````````````````U&8`0```````````````````````````````````
M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````'````
MO4\``'1T>7!D`````````'!D``"XRL$Q:F]O<W0````Z,"XP````````````
M````U&8`0`<```#+3P``='1Y<&8`````````<&8``"W+P3$`````````````
M````````````````````````!P```$I.``!T='EQ,`````````!Q,```C[W!
M,6IO;W-T````.C`N,````````````````-1F`$`'````4$X``'1T>7$Q````
M`````'$Q``"4O<$Q:F]O<W0````Z,"XP````````````````U&8`0`<````A
M3P``='1Y<&4`````````<&4``+C$P3%J;V]S=````#HP+C``````````````
M``#49@!`"````*M/``!T='EQ,@````````!Q,@``F,K!,6IO;W-T````<G5L
18VUC+FQE:61E;G5N:83E`2$`
`
end


Some more random data:
If I now start an xterm (that will see that ttypf isn't
in use), I can login again. So, a full session would be:

action         result

$screen        I can login, and who reports ttypf as in use by screen
$exit          You must exec login from the lowest level shell.
$xterm         can login again; the xterm is using ttypf

during the login, the "myut" struct returned in
  login.c:355     myut = getutline(&ut);
called with ut a structure with ut_line set to "ttypf",
reads:
  ut_type=7, ut_pid= 20427, ut_line="ttypf"
  ut_id=pf, ut_time=834784045, ut_user=""
  ut_pid()=20427, getpid()=23715
pid 20427 isn't in use.


It appears to be related to screen, I haven't seen it otherwise
(well, I have once seen it before, but I don't remember wether that
might have been screen-related too).

Also, I think it's rather strange nobody reported this before
(just like I didn't notice it before), whereas for me now, it
really reproduces very well.


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> > > Isn't it a good thing that you can say man <function name> and get the
> > > right man page, rather than having to say man curs_<function name>,
> > > though?
> >
> > Indeed, that's why this is done.  It's also done because curs_func(3x)
> > is (a) ugly and (b) completely out of keeping with our nice clean
> > manpage scheme.
> >
> > ncurses can't do it this way in the upstream version because they have
> > to support people whose manual programs aren't as good as ours.
> >
> > Is it really too hard to sed the manpages ?
> 
> I checked a couple of other systems.  SunOS lumps almost everthing into
> a single curses.3 manpage and Solaris uses the curs_*.3 style.

While I like to keep things as consistant as possible, I absolutely
can't stand to keep things the same simply because "it's always been
done this way".

Since there is no consistant standard, let's do it right.  The new
way (i.e. "man 3curs <func>") sounds perfect to me!

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> Follows my opinion about the subject:

That's exactly what we plan to do.


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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, David Engel wrote:

> I checked a couple of other systems.  SunOS lumps almost everthing into
> a single curses.3 manpage and Solaris uses the curs_*.3 style.

Why should we emulate broken systems?


Guy

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joost witteveen, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Answer: dpkg -i screen also runs the postrm from the old screen.
>and guess what: it's got a "rm -rf /tmp/screens" too. This is
>no surprise, it has to have (otherwise you can never remove
>screen completely).
>
>So now what? Make /tmp/screens a "configuration file"? This seems
>hardly what "configuration files" were divised for.
>
>Although I agree with you that the current behaviour is less than
>perfect, I challenge you to come up with a better way.
>(the testing then has to be done in postrm, but postrm *should*
>get rid of /tmp/screens).

Check out the following in node:
(guidelines)Maintainer script arguments and how dpkg does things 

Essentially, you'll only want to rm -rf /tmp/screens when your postinst
gets purge as an argument on the command line.

When upgrading to a new version of screen your old postinst will get an
argument of "upgrade vers-no." on its command line.  If you take a look
there, your scripts and screen users will be happy...

Darren

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Emilio Lopes wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Follows my opinion about the subject:
>
>we should have a debian-1.1 dir, which won't ever change. While 1.2 is
>not released, new packages go to pre-release-1.2 and bugfixes go to
>bug-fixes-1.1.
>
>When 1.2 get release there will be a debian-1.2 dir and also an
>update-1.2 dir which should contain links to all packages that have
>changed since 1.1.
>
>With this scheme, a major and a minor version numbers seems to be
>enough.

pre-release 1.2 should be codenamed and accessed by a pre-release-1.2
symlink to simplify the massive mirror copying issue when it's renamed
to debian-1.2 (or debian-2.0, or whatever we release it as).  Then,
when we create another codenamed directory and point a pre-release-1.3
symlink at that, I think we end up with the currently proposed scheme.
That being the case, it makes sense to structure the debian-1.1 access
arrangement so that it also follows that scheme.

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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> I guess we can leave things the way they are and just say that the
> system is entirely free and there are directories of non-free and
> contributed software that are accessories to, not really part of,
> Debian.

This sounds about right.

--
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Hi,
>>"Bruce" == Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> writes:

Bruce> Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we
Bruce> should consider dropping the non-free directory
Bruce> _and_its_contents_ from Debian. We don't really need anything
Bruce> in there, and it would be nice to get closer to the free
Bruce> software ideal. We could allow someone else to distribute the
Bruce> non-free programs as an addition to Debian, instead of our
Bruce> distributing them as a non-free component of an otherwise free
Bruce> system.

	It'll be difficult for me to upload any packages without pgp,
 seeing that the new guidelines suggest signing the packages ;-)

	manoj

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, joost witteveen wrote:

> I'm running into a rather serious "screen" bug:
> start screen, exit from it, and *nobody* can login to your mashine
> anymore (at least not via telnet): telnet will say:
> 
>   You must exec login from the lowest level shell.

What version of login are you using?  login 1.0-5 checks if the utmp
entry is stale before erroring out.  It will most likely fix this
problem.


Guy

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Bruce Perens:
> No, I verified that they were not free, but that their licenses allowed me
> to put them on a CD and sell them.

From: Marek Michalkiewicz <marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl>
> Sorry to bother you again, but I thought non-free was precisely for
> packages which may not be sold on CDs.  Now I am confused.

You're not the only one. For example, shareware programs can be "sold" on CD
but require payment for use. I'd be more specific, but I can't get to
"master" at the moment. I'd better send Simon a note...

Bruce:
> Rather than put the non-free programs in the distribution, we should consider
> dropping the non-free directory _and_its_contents_ from Debian.

Marek:
> I don't think so.  There are some useful packages there, which have no
> GNU replacements - for example, one of them is commonly used by Debian
> developers to sign the changes files...

Yes, I know. I'm thinking about how Debian should be differentiating itself
from the commercial Linux distributions. One way would be for the system to
be _entirely_ free software, since they are all picking up commercial
software on their CDs. I have previously been a champion of the non-free
software in Debian, but I am re-thinking my position on it.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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> 
> On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, joost witteveen wrote:
> 
> > I'm running into a rather serious "screen" bug:
> > start screen, exit from it, and *nobody* can login to your mashine
> > anymore (at least not via telnet): telnet will say:
> > 
> >   You must exec login from the lowest level shell.
> 
> What version of login are you using?  login 1.0-5 checks if the utmp
> entry is stale before erroring out.  It will most likely fix this
> problem.

THANKS (really, alot, for the quick answer). So, now all I
have to do is make it depend on login 1.0-5.

The problem seems to be with the local mirrors, I still
have 1.0-4 over here.

It's 24:00 over here now, but at least I'll be able to go to sleep
without that (rather big) worry, just before 1.1.


-- 
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> > Sorry to bother you again, but I thought non-free was precisely for
> > packages which may not be sold on CDs.  Now I am confused.
> 
> You're not the only one. For example, shareware programs can be "sold" on CD
> but require payment for use. I'd be more specific, but I can't get to
> "master" at the moment. I'd better send Simon a note...

This is one of the things I would like to improve about non-free's
organization.  It would be a "Good Thing" (tm) in my opinion to at least
differentiate between "non-free to distribute" and "non-free to use".

CD-Rom makers could then just leave out the "non-free to distribute"
stuff and press the rest.  All of the "non-free to use" could actually be
merged in with the rest of the distribution as far as Debian is concerned.
It might be nice to keep it separate, though, to make it easy for the user
to see which packages are and which are not free to use.

You could drop the "non-free to distribute" stuff completely from Debian, or
put ReadMe files in as with kermit.  CD makers would then not have to do
anything but copy everything directly to their masters and start the presses.

Done that way, only things currently distributable by FTP but not CD would be
dropped from the distribution.  To be honest, I never really understood the
wisdom in allowing FTP but not CD distribution, but hey...  I'm a for-pay
s/w developer, so what do I know.  <grin>

This, of course, does not solve the problems with pgp and the like that
are only "non-free to distribute" under some circumstances.  Those calls
will have to be made by each distributer (whether by FTP or CD), but it
would be nice if the main Debian archive had everything.


> Yes, I know. I'm thinking about how Debian should be differentiating itself
> from the commercial Linux distributions. One way would be for the system to
> be _entirely_ free software, since they are all picking up commercial
> software on their CDs. I have previously been a champion of the non-free
> software in Debian, but I am re-thinking my position on it.

It is my opinion that, if you in any way restrict what can be "Debian", then
you will ultimately restrict both your user base and your developer base.
Survival depends on user base.  Being first is the best, being better helps,
restricting your users when they move to your system is death.

Users, in general, do not care about distributability.  They only care
whether they are allowed to use something.  Many don't even care about that.

                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Brian:
> This is one of the things I would like to improve about non-free's
> organization.  It would be a "Good Thing" (tm) in my opinion to at least
> differentiate between "non-free to distribute" and "non-free to use".

There are shades and overlaps here. This is why I think it's good to stick
it all in one directory and make _a_file_, as Marek suggested, with an
explanation of why stuff is there.

> CD-Rom makers could then just leave out the "non-free to distribute"
> stuff and press the rest.

By the way, just FYI, we don't _guarantee_ that there are no non-free programs
in the rest of the distribution. The entire liability of pressing a CD is on
the CD manufacturer.

> To be honest, I never really understood the
> wisdom in allowing FTP but not CD distribution

Presumably the FTP site does not charge a fee for retrieval. FTP
provides the option to retrieve files on an individual basis, which CD
does not. Those two reasons are why we can get away with placing some
stuff up for FTP but not on a CD.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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The following is an update on my package list status.  The
packages not taken up will likely be orphaned (perhaps
temporarily) if I drop off the net as expected about mid-July.
I expect to be out of touch for at least a month, and perhaps
longer (perhaps much longer).

bc-1.03
cvs-1.8.1           gone to eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us
diff-2.7            gone to Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>
ed-0.2
file-3.19           gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
indent-1.9.1
jgraph-83
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symlinks-1.0
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ae-962
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git-4.3.9
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elvis-2.0
# need elf X11
xasteroids-5.0
# not elf-ized yet
kermit-190
# not uploaded yet
kermit-192 (beta)

mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)

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> This is why I think it's good to stick it all in one directory and
> make _a_file_

Oops, before I make people nervous, by "one directory" I mean "non-free".

	Thanks

	Bruce

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netbase, netstd, libc5, xringd, ae, ratfor77, and dpkg have been moved into
"buzz" by hand from Incoming. I am currently running
~iwj/masterfiles/cron.daily to regenerate the packages filed and indices.
It looks as if Guy hasn't been able to process Incoming yet, as there is still
a lot of stuff in there.

I will build one more boot floppy set so that these changed packages will
be incorporated into it. I also got a note that a few more perl lib files
are necessary to run dpkg-ftp, and I put them into the base disks.

I am more than a little tired and stressed :-)

	Thanks

	Bruce

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   Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:48:23 -0700
   From: Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>

   It will be difficult to have a specific numbered release 1.2.x, unless
   the x is updated each time a new package is added to the
   release-updates directory.  Is this a good idea?  I suppose that we
   could try 1.2.date, but that would need to be UTC.

Just to clarify, with my mention of 1.2.x I was making an analogy, not a
suggestion.  In particular, as someone else was suggesting, I think there
should be a place for "errata" packages which fix serious Debian 1.1 bugs, but
it should be a single place and not a series of 1.2.date directories.

--Mike

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sven Rudolph wrote:

> In article <m0uSMiW-000Mf2C@finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE> joey@finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE (Martin Schulze) writes:
> 
> > I would like Debian 1.1 to have a http proxy.  We would be the only
> > Linux distribution that comes ready with a proxy.
>
> I don't use squid on Linux anymore, so I hoped Craig Sanders
> <cas@taz.net.au> will release a package. AFAIK he even uses squid on
> Debian Linux, unfortunately he seems to be quite busy.

yeah, and likely to get busier from now on :-(

Good news, though, is that i finally released squid.  version 1.0.beta16

Came up with a reasonable scheme for avoiding having to hack the source
Makefile.in files too much - I added stuff to debian.rules to call
'Configure' with appropriate arguments, created a debian squid.conf to
set the log file paths (which couldn't be set in the source without
major hacking - I wanted to keep my diffs as small as possible) and
also copied the install rule from src/Makefile and edited it to use
./debian-tmp.  Should be fairly easy to maintain now.

For the next release I'll do some stuff in postinst to ask whether
cachemgr.cgi should be installed in the cgi-bin directory.  I'll
probably just make a sym link from /var/web/cgi-bin/cachemgr.cgi to
/usr/lib/squid/cachemgr.cgi, so later upgrades of cachemgr.cgi should be
transparent.  Currently it is up to the sysadmin to read the docs and
install it in cgi-bin manually...

> I uploaded my latest diff to ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de:/pub/people/sr1

BTW, thanks for those diffs you sent me a few weeks ago - i used them to
learn how to do {pre,post} scripts and how to properly do an update-rc
(it's nearly always easier to look at a sample than it is to figure it
out from the docs).

> (squid-1.0.beta16 is said to be quite stable, so it might be a good
> candidate for packaging.)

Uploaded to master last night.

Been running it here for over a day now...seems as stable as beta7 which
I had been running for over a month.

Craig

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Bruce Perens, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>I will build one more boot floppy set so that these changed packages will
>be incorporated into it. I also got a note that a few more perl lib files
>are necessary to run dpkg-ftp, and I put them into the base disks.

BTW, Bruce, it's not important until after the release but you never did
get me the list of perl lib files so that I can make a minimal perl
package...

>I am more than a little tired and stressed :-)

Go sit by a brook...

Darren
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bcwhite@verisim.com (Brian C. White)  wrote on 13.06.96 in <31C02CA7.71AA5F81@verisim.com>:

> > i thought we all agree that this behaviour, although the
> > upstream developers call it a feature, should be considered
> > a bug?!
>
> No, not everyone.  I agree with how Pine does things.  If you

Not everyone, but nearly everyone who knows much about Internet mail - I'd  
say close to 90%. Maybe more. (It's not the only severe design bug in  
pine. Another one is the  handling of mail with newsgroups: headers.)

> want to attach something then it goes through mail encoded such
> that absolutely _nothing_ can be changed.  Plain-text can be
> altered.  If you want to send plain text, then simply include
> the file instead.  Makes perfect sense to me.

Makes no sense at all to me. If that made sense, why not encode  
_everything_ as base64? What is it about attaching that necessarily makes  
possible changes so disastrous that you are willing to ignore  
interoperability?

IMHO, the _only_ sane way to do this is somewhat similar to the way I've  
seen it with pmail.

This is how pmail does attachments:

1. Locate the file.
2. Ask user about file type (include at least choices of "text", "binary"  
and "unknown").
3. Ask user about possible encodings (include at least choices of "none",  
"base64" and some sort of type-dependant default; pmail also offers stuff  
like uuencode and mac-specific encodings)
4.Attach with content-type: made from 2 and content-encoding: made from 3.

Simply _assuming_ answers to 2 and 3 is just plain stupid. Note that I  
would consider it just as stupid to attach everything as text/plain with  
no encoding at all.

MfG Kai

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This is only spelling fixes and similar stuff.

bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)  wrote on 13.06.96 in <m0uUG7K-0005z7C@mongo.pixar.com>:

> > It's too late for some comments?
>
> No, not too late yet. I added one or two comments here. I think
> we can put this through another round or two of proposal-and-editing
> before we submit it.
>
> 	Thanks
>
> 	Bruce

MS>> -- Begin Text ------------------------------------------------

MS>>   4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution


MS>>      Distributor: The Debian Linux Association, Software in the
MS>> Public Interest, P.O. Box 70152, Pt. Richmond CA 94807-0152

> Needs line breaks in place of the first two commas.

MS>>         Net: debian-user@lists.debian.org WWW:
MS>> <http://www.debian.org/> FTP: <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/>


MS>>      Provider's Description: Debian Linux is the result of a
MS>> volunteer effort to create a high-quality non-commercial Linux
MS>> distribution.  Debian Linux 1.1 is a complete and fully-functional
MS>> Unix-compatible operating system for the personal computer.  It is
MS>> completely ELF, but can also get to work like an a.out system.  At
>                                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > I don't understand this. Do you mean that the user can make a
> > downgrade to 0.93 (a.out)? Or do you mean that Debian can run a.out
> > binaries as well?
> > What about "It is a completely ELF system, but can run a.out binaries
> > as well"?
>
> Replace that sentence with "The system uses ELF executables,
> but also includes optional packages you can install to fully support
> a.out programs. An optional package provides the a.out development system,
> so that you can continue to maintain a.out programs on your new system."

MS>> the moment Debian Linux is only available for the IBM PC, but it
MS>> is beeing worked on versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha
MS>> architectures.

... but versions for Spark, m68k and Alpha are under development.

MS>>         Debian Linux is an easy-to-upgrade distribution that
MS>> mostly consists of freely redistributable software from a number
MS>> of different sources and systems.  Non-free packages are also
MS>> available for the sake of a well-rounded system.

MS>>         The benefits of Debian Linux are its upgradability,
MS>> well-defined dependencies between packages, and its open
MS>> development.  It is the only distribution for Linux that is beeing

"being". Really.

[Personally, I'd prefer not to use absolutes like "the only X".]

> > At some point here I think it's important to emphasize that you can
> > make upgrades without having to install everything from scratch.

MS>> developed in the internet due to the spirit of Linux and free

"on the Internet, in the spirit of"

MS>> software and not by a handful of individuals.  More than 100
MS>> package maintainers are working on about 500 packages and
MS>> improving Debian Linux.  Debian sports a well-thought-out bug
MS>> tracking system by which its users can easily report discovered
MS>> bugs.

MS>>         Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  Snap-shot
MS>> releases are made about every three months, the ftp archives are
MS>> updated every day.  It is also very picky about security concerns
MS>> and bugs.  Once a bug or security hint is reported it will be
MS>> eliminated very quickly.  A new release of the package will soon
MS>> occur on well-known ftp archives.

MS>>         For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to
MS>> the files at <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/> or visit our World
MS>> Wide Web page at <http://www.debian.org/>.


MS>>      Internet Access: Debian Linux is available via anonymous FTP
MS>> from <ftp.debian.org/debian/> and on a

"mirror" missing here.

MS>> <http://www.debian.org/mirrors.html> near to you.


MS>>      Entry last modified: 13 June 1996


MS>>      Editor's comments: If you're interested in joining this
MS>> project you are invited to subscribe to either
MS>> debian-user@lists.debian.org or debian- devel@lists.debian.org by
                                            * no space
MS>> sending a mail to debian-user- request@lists.debian.org (or
                                   * no space
MS>> debian-devel-request respectively) with the word "help" in the
MS>> subject line.

MS>> -- End Text ------------------------------------------------



MfG Kai

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dwarf@polaris.net (Dale Scheetz)  wrote on 13.06.96 in <Pine.LNX.3.93.960613161452.7806C-100000@dwarf.polaris.net>:

> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
> > It looks, from reading this, as if you've seriously confused MIME and
> > BASE64.  Please tell me this isn't true...
> >
> > I can see why Pine might lead one to believe that MIME and BASE64 were
> > the same, given that it is so resistant to doing anything with MIME
> > without also BASE64ing everything in sight.
> >
> Well, Base64 IS the encoding scheme used by Mime, right? The confusion is

Wrong.

Base64 is _one_ encoding scheme used by MIME. There are three: base64,  
quoted-printable, and none.

Furthermore, those encoding schemes are about the least interesting part  
of MIME.

The most important thing there is in MIME is content labelling. Then,  
IMHO, comes multipart messages. And only then encoding.

> over when an attachment (I read MIME here, right?) should Base64 encode a
> file to be attached.
> The Pine developers say: Gee, they want this included as an attachment,
> they must need to protect it, so, let's encode it! If they didn't want it
> encoded they would just have inserted it into the message!

And this is, as I have already pointed out in another message, just plain  
stupid.

> Seriously, use control R unless you REALLY want Base64 encoding. Then and
> only then can you make it an attachment.

Understand about MIME. There is absolutely no reason why an attachment is  
any different from your "main message".

In fact, MIME doesn't even _have_ the concept of "attachments". That's an  
envention of systems like MS-Mail.

MIME has multipart messages. All those parts are equal. Each one can be  
plain text, each one can be a GIF, each one can be an included mail, and  
so on - and each one could as well be different.

The mail user agent should not presume to know what you want to do.

> For those of you who can't deal with this solution, I can only say:
>
> You and the Pine Developers go to neutral corners, and only come out
> fighting after I have left the room. (I don't like religios wars)

This is just as much a religious war as when someone insists the correct  
spelling for a certain continent is "Ameerika" - i.e., NOT.


MfG Kai

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You write:

}This is only spelling fixes and similar stuff.


}MS>> the moment Debian Linux is only available for the IBM PC, but it
}MS>> is beeing worked on versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha
}MS>> architectures.

}... but versions for Spark, m68k and Alpha are under development.
                          ^
			  c

Now:

  Presently Debian Linux is available for the IBM PC architecture
  (386/486/Pentium) with versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha
  architectures well under way.


}"being". Really.

Already fixed. Thanks anyway.
:((

}[Personally, I'd prefer not to use absolutes like "the only X".]
'-)

}"on the Internet, in the spirit of"

Now:

  It is the only distribution of Linux that is being developed
  co-operatively by many individuals through the Internet, in the same
  spirit as Linux and other Free Software.

}"mirror" missing here.

Oops, who ate it? format? Wait...
I have modified the line, now the "mirror" occurs in the ascii version
as well. Thanks.

Regards,

	Joey
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is there a delay on the debian-changes list or something? 

I sent 4 messages to it last night (3 package announcements, and 1 "oops,
try again" package announce) and NONE of them have showed up in my mailbox
yet...however, messages from other developers have shown up since then. 

could it be because i subscribed to the list as cas@muffin.pronet.com but
am now cas@taz.net.au?  (muffin.pronet.com is now a CNAME for taz.net.au
so I still _receive_ my mail OK...there are still some problems with lists
i subbed to last year from muffin)

Could whoever is maintaining the mailing lists change all
cas@muffin.pronet.com addresses to cas@taz.net.au?  Thank you!


BTW, the package announcements were for squid 1.0b16, par 1.50, and tkdesk
1.0b1 - so everyone who's been waiting for me to get off my arse and
upload the squid proxy/cache server no longer has to wait. 


Craig

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The 2940 driver is in a module. There are sometimes problems
configuring it - if you can get me a more thorough problem report I'll
solve it or I'll forward it to aic7xxx@freebsd.org, which  is the list
of people working on the driver and its port from FreeBSD to Linux.

	Bruce

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You should send mail to Anders <ac@netg.se> pointing out that he should
put your new address in the "accept2" file used for debian-changes .
We put in some sender restriction to avoid spam.

	Bruce

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Package: xserver-svga
Version: 3.1.2-5

Hi...

There seems to be a bug in the setup of the xserver configuration file
when installing the package - hence:

-----
You must indicate the vertical sync range of your monitor. You can either
select one of the predefined ranges below that correspond to industry-
standard monitor types, or give a specific range. For interlaced modes,
the number that counts is the high one (e.g. 87 Hz rather than 43 Hz).

 1  50-70
 2  50-90
 3  50-100
 4  40-150
 5  Enter your own vertical sync range

Enter your choice: 5

You must now enter a few identification/description strings, namely an
identifier, a vendor name, and a model name. Just pressing enter will fill
in default names.
-----

It skips straight to the next option without letting me enter the value.

...Karl
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Good evening folks,

A friend of mine has just complained with installing Debian, because
kernels didn't support it.

Bruce (or Simon), could you please check this.

Thanks,

	Joey

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

>If you really want to set an environment or ulimits or whatever for
>everything that is spawned by init use "initscript" - see man
>initscript(8). It does everything you're talking about.

My system is probably not up to date, so I'm not casting this as
a bug report against sysvinit.  I have sysvinit-2.60-1 installed,
and I can't currently get on master or ftp.debian.org to check
if I'm current.  tsx-11 doesn't seem to have a sysvinit package
in pub/linux/distributions/debian/unstable/binary.

I have no initscript(8) man page.  I do have an initscript(5)
man page which says, in part:

DESCRIPTION
       When  the  shell  script  /etc/initscript is present, init
       will use it to execute the commands  from  inittab.   This
       script  can  be  used  to set things like ulimit and umask
       default values for every process.

If initscript is an executable shell script, shouldn't it go in /sbin?


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In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.960614170733.7285A-100000@bb29c> you write:
>
>The following is an update on my package list status.  The
>packages not taken up will likely be orphaned (perhaps
>temporarily) if I drop off the net as expected about mid-July.
>I expect to be out of touch for at least a month, and perhaps
>longer (perhaps much longer).
>
>bc-1.03
>ed-0.2

I'll take these two from you.

Austin

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Subject: Bug#3301: dselect: method/disk/install script does not set $binaryprefix for NFS
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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.3elf

When when dselect and selsecting NFS as the access method, it runs 
/usr/lib/dpkg/methods/disk/install, which eventually runs:

  dpkg -iGROEB "$binaryprefix$this_binary"

unfortunately, $binaryprefix is unset at this point, so it fails.

Adding the assignment shown below (line 31 of install) solves the problem:

  if [ -n "$p_nfs" ]
  then
          umount="$p_mountpoint"
          mount -rt nfs "$p_nfs" -o nosuid,nodev "$p_mountpoint"
+         echo "Overriding binaryprefix (from $binaryprefix, to $p_mountpoint)"
+         binaryprefix=$p_mountpoint
  fi

I would imagine that the same needs to be done the ``if [ -n "$p_blockdev" ]''
block just above this, as well.

I am using the Debian1.1-beta as of about a week ago with the 1.99.7 kernel

Cheers, Phil.

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Package: cron
Version: 3.0pl1-32

A copy of the Contents file dated June 10 indicates that savelog is supposed 
to be part of the cron package, yet dpkg-deb -c cron-3.0pl1-32.deb shows
no such package.  

savelog _was_ in cron-3.0pl1-31.deb.

(Sorry if this has already been reported.)

Susan Kleinmann
sgk@tiac.net

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You (rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu) wrote:
> Raul Miller
> > > > /etc/init.d/boot sets up a path that doesn't include /usr/local/bin
> > > > nor /usr/local/sbin.  In my opinion, the PATH= from /etc/profile
> > > > (supplied by the bash package) should be used here as well.  It's
> > > > rather silly to have two different default paths for root.
>  
> Dominik Kubla:
> > > No it is not.  It is the basic law of system administration that during
> > > system setup the PATH should be as short as possible and only include
> > > _MACHINE_LOCAL_ path names (/usr/local might be shared over NFS!).
> 
> Miquel van Smoorenburg:
> > OK, so I'm closing this bug report.
> 
> I think there's a very big opportunity here that's being missed.
> 
> We have a large problem of configuring the default path for shells
> and such that don't use /etc/profile.  It's fine to have a restricted
> path during boot, but this path setting persists long after boot, and
> is inherited by everything that init inherits.

Nope, if a daemon started by init needs its PATH set it's probably
broken, and the rest goes through login which clears the environment
anyway (most logins reset the PATH - I don't know what the Debian login
does). So you should fix login.

If you really want to set an environment or ulimits or whatever for
everything that is spawned by init use "initscript" - see man
initscript(8). It does everything you're talking about.

Mike.
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Subject: Bug#3302: savelog seems to be missing from cron package
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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:

> Package: cron
> Version: 3.0pl1-32
> 
> A copy of the Contents file dated June 10 indicates that savelog is supposed 
> to be part of the cron package, yet dpkg-deb -c cron-3.0pl1-32.deb shows
> no such package.  

This is intentional.  savelog is now in debianutils, as of 1.2-1.  It
was moved so that it would be in a required package.  cron isn't
required.  You most likely have it on your system as 1.2-1 was released
on April 24.

The Contents file is generated only once a week, and the scripts that
generate it don't deal well with files that are in more than one
package - they just print one of them.  I think the frequency is fine,
but all locations should be printed.  Opinions?

I'll refile this bug to (ftp.debian.org) as it concerns the cron
scripts that maintain it.


Guy

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With any luck, the 1.1 release announcement will go out on Sunday
evening. It's time to discuss 1.2 issues.

We will need to convert the filenames in the "unstable" archive to use
underscores rather than dashes as the delimiter. This should be done
starting about a week after the release, so that mirror systems have
had a chance to recover from the blow :-) . Since we're going to be
moving every file in "unstable" anyway, that sounds like a good time to
switch from "unstable" to a symbolic-linked directory (tentatively called
"rex"). Guy, you volunteered to do this last time before I aborted the
procedure - would you like to do it on or around June 24? Please coordinate
with Ian Jackson, as his scripts will no doubt need adjustment.

Subsequent to that, if you upload a package please make sure it generates
the files with underscores.

With ports on the horizon, we should be making sure that an automatic build
of Debian in its entirety is more than a _theoretical_ possibility. This means
that every package must have a .tar.gz file, and an .diff file if the package
is derived from upstream source. It should be possible to build the package
automaticaly by something like:

	tar xvlzf package_version.tar.gz
	cd package*
	./debian.rules binary
	cd ..
	dchanges <flags> package_version.${ARCHITECTURE}.deb

Currently, the above procedure might not work for packages like netbase and
netstd, which are extracted into the archive as directories full of
sub-package tar files. Probably those packages should go into the archive as
tar files like other packages.

Also, we should think about source packaging again. We are welcome to take
anything we want from RPM source packaging, if that would help.

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I posted a few days ago on debian-private that I would not be able to
work on the installation system, (also known as the boot floppies) during
the 1.2 development and that the base, boot-floppies, and modconf packages
were available. The only response I have so far is that Dirk is working on
installing the _entire_ system from floppy disk, which is a parallel project.

"modconf" needs a good Bourne shell programmer.
"base" needs a good system admin.
"boot-floppies" probably needs a few people to work on different aspects
of the installation system.

Of the three, boot-floppies is by far the most difficult, and is the one
needing the most work. There is a lot more we should do with installation
and auto-configuration. "base" is managable by one person, and "modconf" is
pretty simple. I would like to hear from volunteers for all of these packages.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Bruce Perens wrote:
> Subsequent to that, if you upload a package please make sure it generates
> the files with underscores.
> 
> With ports on the horizon, we should be making sure that an automatic build
> of Debian in its entirety is more than a _theoretical_ possibility. This means
> that every package must have a .tar.gz file, and an .diff file if the package
> is derived from upstream source. It should be possible to build the package
> automaticaly by something like:
> 
> 	tar xvlzf package_version.tar.gz
> 	cd package*
> 	./debian.rules binary
> 	cd ..
> 	dchanges <flags> package_version.${ARCHITECTURE}.deb
> 
> Currently, the above procedure might not work for packages like netbase and
> netstd, which are extracted into the archive as directories full of
> sub-package tar files. Probably those packages should go into the archive as
> tar files like other packages.

Ian M. and I discussed that about 1-2 years ago. He said that it
shouldn't be necessary to download the netstd package (>1.5MB) if
the user just wants the sources for fping. I think is a good idea to
have at least the sources for netstd extracted in a separate
directory.

You could change the script to something like that:

     if [ ! -d package*]; then
       tar xvlzf package_version.tar.gz
     fi
     cd package*
     ./debian.rules binary
     cd ..
     dchanges <flags> package_version.${ARCHITECTURE}.deb


That would work with netstd and it would also work if the
other packages are already extracted.


Thanks,

Peter

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IMHO we should change our comm packages for Debian 1.2 to use
/dev/ttyS* instead of /dev/cua*:

Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> From owner-linux-net-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 14 02:34:03 1996
> Date: 	Mon, 13 May 1996 13:51:04 -0400
> Message-Id: <9605131751.AA13288@dcl.MIT.EDU>
> From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
> To: Tony Nugent <tonyn@sctnugen.ppp.gu.edu.au>
> Cc: linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-ppp@vger.rutgers.edu
> In-Reply-To: Tony Nugent's message of Mon, 13 May 1996 07:57:09 +1000,
> 	<199605122157.HAA03287@sctnugen.ppp.gu.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: /dev/cua? Vs /dev/ttyS? (was: Re: co-existance of pppd and mgetty ?)
> Address: 1 Amherst St., Cambridge, MA 02139
> Phone: (617) 253-8091
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> 
>    Date: 	Mon, 13 May 1996 07:57:09 +1000
>    From: Tony Nugent <tonyn@sctnugen.ppp.gu.edu.au>
> 
>    Can someone kindly explain the difference between the /dev/cua? and
>    /dev/ttyS? devices?
> 
> /dev/ttySxx devices are fully POSIX-compliant TTY devices.  If you are
> only going to be using one set of tty devices, you should be using
> /dev/ttySxx. 
> 
> /dev/cuaXX devices are different from /dev/ttySXX in two ways --- first
> of all, they will allow you to open the device even if CLOCAL is not set
> and the O_NONBLOCK flag was not given to the open device.  This allows
> programs that don't use the POSIX-mondated interface for opening
> /dev/ttySxx devices to be able to use /dev/cuaXX to make outgoing phone
> calls on their modem (cu stands for "callout", and is taken from SunOS).
> 
> The second way in which /dev/cuaXX differs from /dev/ttySXX is that if
> they are used, they will trigger a simplistic kernel-based locking
> scheme:  If /dev/ttySXX is opened by one or more processes, then an
> attempt to open /dev/cuaXX will return EAGAIN.  If /dev/cuaXX is opened
> by one or more processes, then an attempt to open /dev/ttySXX will
> result the open blocking until /dev/cuaXX is closed, and the carrier
> detect line goes high.
> 
> While this will allow for simple lockouts between a user using a modem
> for callout and a getty listening on the line for logins, it doesn't
> work if you need to arbitrate between multiple programs wanting to do
> dialout --- for example, users wanting to do dialout and UUCP.
> 
> I originally implemented the cuaXX/ttySXX lockout mechanism back before
> FSSTND established a standard convention for the use of tty lock files.
> Now that it's there, people should use the tty lock files and not try
> using /dev/cuaXX.  The only reason why /dev/cuaXX hasn't disappeared yet
> is for backwards compatibility reasons.
> 
> 						- Ted
> 
> 


Thanks,

Peter

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  Bruce> The only response I have so far is that Dirk is working on
  Bruce> installing the _entire_ system from floppy disk,

I believe it was Erick Branderhorst. Or maybe another Dirk, but not me ...

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Good night folks,

  I'll upload another release of manpages-de, the result of the german
  manpages project.  This is an actual snapshot from the development
  tree at ftp.infodrom.north.de.  These manpages should occur in the
  1.1 release of Debian.

-- Begin Changes --

Date: 16 Jun 96 00:55:52 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Binary: manpages-de
Source: manpages-de
Architecture: source all
Version: 0.1-2
Maintainer: Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org>
Description: German section 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 manpages for Linux
Priority: Routine
Files:
 708ed63630646ebfd0f3fd70a1c9d376 226665 doc - manpages-de-0.1-2.tar.gz
 edafa0eacf03dfb930e9b9382392bf23 140180 doc - manpages-de-0.1-2.diff.gz
 41cb8062ec954e26b4f19e1f48a83051 224472 doc - manpages-de-0.1-2.all.deb
Changes:
 Many, this is an actual snapshot.

-- End Changes --

  There is still much work that has to be done within this project.
  If you would like to collaborate translating, proofreading or simply
  helping the creation of a german native language for linux-unix
  terms please join our effort.

  There is a mailing list manpages-de@infodrom.north.de.  I would be
  glad if there would be some other people who do some translation.

Have a pleasant remainder of the weekend,

	Joey


PS: As usual first in ftp.infodrom.north.de in /pub/people/joey/debian/

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>>>>> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu> writes:

    Manoj> 	Right.  Hmmm.  You also need to know who is going to
    Manoj> sign the modules produced (and is unlikely to be the
    Manoj> primary maintainer for the module, espescially since all
    Manoj> the modules have different maintainers anyway ;-)

    Manoj> 	So, I need to send in the name of the person running
    Manoj> the kernel build, to be used in the dchanges pgp=XXX
    Manoj> option.

Good point.

    Manoj> 	Also, (this is a user interface issue), where should
    Manoj> the finished module files be produced by the target kdist*
    Manoj> in the module's debian.rules?

    Manoj>  (1) /usr/src/module-X-$(KVERS)_$(version)_$(arch).deb ?
    Manoj> 	or in 
    Manoj>  (2) $(KSRC)/../module-X-$(KVERS)_$(version)_$(arch).deb?

    Manoj> 	Also, all the resulting packages will be in one place
    Manoj> if we use option (2) above, and allows the user to dictate
    Manoj> where the files are ceated, to an extent. In the default
    Manoj> case, KSRC=/usr/src/linux, and everything *will* be created
    Manoj> into /usr/src/, but we are not locked into that directory.

I agree that no (2) sounds like the best choice for maximum flexibility.

    Manoj> 	Have I missed any other information that might be
    Manoj> needed by the modules?

I can't think of anything right now.  If I come up with any more as
I'm working on the pcmcia package, I'll let you know.

    Manoj> 	Hmm.  This proposal should probably be gathered
    Manoj> together and put into a coherent document, destined
    Manoj> ultimately to be put into
    Manoj> /usr/doc/debian/package-developer/ or something like that,
    Manoj> after its blessed by Brian/Simon/Bruce/Ian. (I've saved the
    Manoj> last few messages, thankfully).

Agreed.

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As it stands, cdplay links /dev/cdrom to whichever device you tell it
is your cd player.  However, this is usually going to be a device like
/dev/hdc which is owned by root.disk.  This means that if you want to
let anyone play cd's you have to put them in group disk, giving them
way more access than they need, and more than you probably want them
to have.  In addition, /dev/cdrom sounds more like something that you
would use to read a data disk, not an audio cd.

I propose that when cdtool asks you for the device representing the
cdrom, it create a copy of that device file (via cp -a or whatever)
named audiocd and chown it to root.audio.  Then you would only need to
be a member of group audio to play audio cd's, and /dev/cdrom can
remain linked to /dev/hdc (or whatever) which is still owned by
root.disk as is appropriate for mounting data cds.

Of course, there's probably a reason we shouldn't do this, but I don't
see it yet.

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Rob

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Hi,

	There is a problem with the dchanges line for packages where
 multiple debian packages are built from the same source package. For
 example, kernel-source-2.0.0_3.0.tar.gz builds
        (a)  kernel-source-2.0.0_3.0_all.deb, 
	(b)  kernel-image-2.0.0_3.0_i386.deb, and
        (c)  kernel-headers-2.0.0_3.0_all.deb.
 and there is no easy way to determine what are the packages
 produced. 

	 Also, doesn't dchanges insist that the source and diff files
 be also present?  In that case, it might be better to mandate a dist
 target in debian.rules exist, which runs the dchanges command
 automatically. A concrete example: (this requires an as yet
 unreleased version of kernel-package)

 % cd /usr/src/linux; # This _should_ be a valid symlink
 % ./debian.rules PGP_SIGNATURE="Bruce Perens" dist

The corresponding rule reads:
dist: binary source diff
# Prepares the package for distribution.
        -(cd .. && \
         dchanges -n ce=$(DEBDIR)/debian/debian.changes \
            arch="$(architecture)" pgp="$(pgp)" \
            urg="$(priority)" \
            $(package)$(sep1)$(debian)$(sep2)all.deb \
            $(h_package)$(sep1)$(debian)$(sep2)all.deb \
            $(i_package)$(sep1)$(debian)$(sep2)$(architecture).deb \
            $(package)$(sep1)$(debian).diff.gz \
            $(package)$(sep1)$(debian).tar.gz )

	I'll be glad to supply the full debian.rules file for elucidation.

	manoj
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Good morning guys,

this is the recent version of the entry concerning Debian Linux for
the Distribution-HOWTO.  I have mentioned all corrections and hints
that I have received.  Please read the text carefully and send my your
notes.

-- Begin Text ---------------------------------------------------------------
  4.3.  Debian Linux Distribution


     Distributor:
        The Debian Linux Association
        Software in the Public Interest
        P.O. Box 70152
        Pt. Richmond CA 94807-0152

        Net: info@debian.org
        WWW:  <http://www.debian.org/>
        FTP:  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/>


     Provider's Description:
        Debian Linux is the result of a volunteer effort to create a
        high-quality non-commercial Linux distribution.  Debian Linux
        1.1 is a complete and fully-functional Unix-compatible operating
        system for the personal computer.  The system uses ELF
        executables, but also includes optional packages you can install
        to fully support development and maintenance of a.out programs.
        Presently Debian Linux is available for the IBM PC architecture
        (386/486/Pentium) with versions for Sparc, m68k and Alpha
        architectures well under way.

        Debian Linux is an easy-to-upgrade distribution that mostly
        consists of freely redistributable software from a number of
        different sources and systems.  Non-free packages and optional
        support for shadow passwords are also available, making Debian a
        well-rounded system.

        The benefits of Debian Linux are its upgradability, well-defined
        dependencies between packages, and its open development.  It is
        the only distribution of Linux that is being developed co-
        operatively by many individuals through the Internet, in the
        same spirit as Linux and other Free Software.  More than 100
        package maintainers are working on about 500 packages and
        improving Debian Linux.  A sophisticated bug tracking system
        allows users to easily report bugs and security concerns which
        are quickly dealt with by the Debian community.  A new release
        of the package will soon occur on well-known ftp archives.

        Debian Linux is a very dynamic distribution.  Snap-shot releases
        are made about every three months, the ftp archives are updated
        daily.

        For more information about Debian Linux, please refer to the
        files at  <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/> or visit our World
        Wide Web page at  <http://www.debian.org/>.


     Internet Access:
        Debian Linux is available via anonymous FTP from
        <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/> and on a mirror near to you.


     Entry last modified:
        13 June 1996


     Editor's comments:
        If you're interested in joining this project you are invited to
        subscribe to either debian-user@lists.debian.org or debian-
        devel@lists.debian.org by sending a mail to debian-user-
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-- End Text ---------------------------------------------------------------

All the best,

	Joey


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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> We will need to convert the filenames in the "unstable" archive to use
> underscores rather than dashes as the delimiter.

I have a better idea which I've already started - all the packages I'm
installing will use the new naming convention.  After a week or two, a
good portion of the archive will already be converted.  Then I can just
rename the rest, a little at a time.  This method is easier on the
mirrors obviously.

> This should be done
> starting about a week after the release, so that mirror systems have
> had a chance to recover from the blow :-) . Since we're going to be
> moving every file in "unstable" anyway, that sounds like a good time to
> switch from "unstable" to a symbolic-linked directory (tentatively called
> "rex")

Here's a reasonable option for that also - I'll go ahead and make the
directory rex and populate it with symbolic links to unstable.  New
packages will get installed into rex with the new naming convention,
replacing the link.  Again after a couple of weeks, I'll just start
moving files.

I'll change Ian's scripts to start using rex immediately.  After this
is all done, and unstable is empty, we can just point unstable at rex.

The only disadvantage is that for a couple of weeks, the unstable
directory will not be the real unstable directory.  The real one will
be rex, also reachable through an slink development.  We can announce
this on debian-announce and I'll put a README and a file "This
directory is *NOT* the real unstable" or something equally obnoxious.

Does anybody have any problems with the above, or better ideas?


Guy

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You (Bill Mitchell) wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> >If you really want to set an environment or ulimits or whatever for
> >everything that is spawned by init use "initscript" - see man
> >initscript(8). It does everything you're talking about.
> 
> My system is probably not up to date, so I'm not casting this as
> a bug report against sysvinit.  I have sysvinit-2.60-1 installed,
> and I can't currently get on master or ftp.debian.org to check
> if I'm current.  tsx-11 doesn't seem to have a sysvinit package
> in pub/linux/distributions/debian/unstable/binary.
> 
> I have no initscript(8) man page.  I do have an initscript(5)
> man page which says, in part:

Okay, that's what I meant. Sorry.

> DESCRIPTION
>        When  the  shell  script  /etc/initscript is present, init
>        will use it to execute the commands  from  inittab.   This
>        script  can  be  used  to set things like ulimit and umask
>        default values for every process.
> 
> If initscript is an executable shell script, shouldn't it go in /sbin?

Hmmm. I don't think so, it is more a configuration file than a
shell script. Like the scripts in /etc/init.d/. However if these
scripts would be "static" and got their configuration from a
file in /etc (what I would prefer) there is something to be said
to move them into /sbin. But it would break a lot of existing
systems and would make upgrades very difficult.

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You (rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu) wrote:
> Package: sysvinit
> Version: 2.62-1
> 
> The preinst for sysvinit recommends that files in /etc/init.d be installed
> unless "you have really changed any of these files".  Yet, /etc/init.d/network
> has automatically populated entries for ifconfig and route.  Installing
> sysvinit takes the machine off the net at the next boot.

Fixed in 2.63-1, where the preinst script warns against installing a
new version of "network".

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Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this problem report.  It has been forwarded to the developer(s) and
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Package: xdaliclock
Version: 2.06-1

"man xdaliclock" doesn't find the manual page:

|birnam| man xdaliclock
No manual entry for xdaliclock

I've installed this package just like any other x11 packages which
have their manual pages found (xsysinfo, xpdf).  The file exists
(/usr/X11R6/man/man1/xdaliclock.1) and "man -l
/usr/X11R6/man/man1/xdaliclock.1" shows it just fine.

man version: 2.3.10-11

Debian version - wholly upgraded from 0.93R6, can be called 1.1

uname -a: Linux birnam 1.3.100 #3 Thu Jun 13 15:13:39 IDT 1996 i486

|birnam| ldd `which man`
        libgdbm.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1.7.3
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Any more info required?

Thanks.

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Bruce wrote:
> Also, we should think about source packaging again. We are welcome to take
> anything we want from RPM source packaging, if that would help.

RPM has the advantage that it include _pristine_ source (identical
(cmp or md5sum-wise) to the upstream sources, which are patched during
the build process. IMO this is what we should work towards to.

Pristine sources are friendly towards non-debian and/or non-linux users,
and are a clear advantage in the case of PGP-signed sources and
sources for which distributing modified versions is not allowed.

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Package: rman
Version: 2.5a4-2

rman generates HTML in which the internal references in the table of 
contents are off by one:
[example: annotated "man spell | rman -fHTML" output]
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<HTML>
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<H2><A NAME="sect1" HREF="#toc1">NAME</A></H2>

<!-- Note: sect counter starts at one 
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<HR><P>
<A NAME="toc"><B>Table of Contents</B></A><P>
<UL>
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<LI><A NAME="toc1" HREF="#sect1">SYNOPSIS</A></LI>
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Here's a patch (relative to base-1.1.0-12) that extends MAKEDEV. 
Note that the new entries that we want in base need to be uncommented in
debian.rules.

This patch also provides /dev/random and /dev/urandom (fixes Bug 3039).

Note that this patch does not provide non-i386 devices (some are included,
but commented out), and that it is advisable to extend MAKEDEV with
facilities for these devices, to be called from base's postinst.

-- CUT ME --
diff -r -u base-1.1.0.orig/debian.rules base-1.1.0/debian.rules
--- base-1.1.0.orig/debian.rules	Wed Jun 12 22:02:49 1996
+++ base-1.1.0/debian.rules	Sun Jun 16 15:02:21 1996
@@ -31,9 +31,11 @@
 	$T/usr/doc/copyright/$(p) $T/usr/doc/$(p)
 
 DEVICES= \
-	cdu535 console ftape generic hdc hdd lmscd mcd qic scd0 \
+	cdu535 console ftape generic hdc hdd cmd205cd mcd qic scd0 \
 	scd1 sdc sdd sde sdf sdg sdh sg sonycd st0 st1 xdc xdd sbpcd aztcd \
-	audio
+	audio misc
+# kbd js idetape zorroIIram mscdex cmd206cd gscd optcd hitcd pcaudio
+# dos_hd ed ez geniusscan doublecompress ibcs2 wvisfgrab mmetfgrab isdn
 
 all build:
 # Builds the binary package.
diff -r -u base-1.1.0.orig/prototype/dev/MAKEDEV base-1.1.0/prototype/dev/MAKEDEV
--- base-1.1.0.orig/prototype/dev/MAKEDEV	Wed Apr 10 20:22:39 1996
+++ base-1.1.0/prototype/dev/MAKEDEV	Sun Jun 16 15:01:21 1996
@@ -1,5 +1,31 @@
 #! /bin/sh -
 
+# TODO as of 2.0.0:
+# -----------------
+# - check FIXMEs
+# - entries marked "UNIMPLEMENTED"
+#
+# - Stallion serial card
+# - Specialix serial card
+# - Comtrol Rocketport serial card
+# - Chase serial card
+# - Digiboard serial card
+# - SDL RISCom serial card
+# - Atari SLM ACSI laser printer (68k/Atari)
+# - ACSI disk (68k/Atari)
+# - Universal frame buffer ([2.0.0]: "currently [...] Linux/68k and Linux/SPARC"
+# - ROM/flash memory card
+# - Z8530 HDLC driver
+# - tclmidi MIDI driver
+# - MPU-401 MIDI
+# - Netlink support
+# - Myricom PCI Myrinet board
+# - ML-16P experimental I/O board
+# - Yet Another Micro Monitor
+# - Baycom radio modem
+
+
+
 RCSID='$Id: MAKEDEV 2.2 1995/05/21 17:55:14 alfie Exp $'
 
 #---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#---#
@@ -27,6 +53,11 @@
   audio="  root audio   660"
   ibcs2="  root sys     666"
 scanner="  root sys     666"
+# FIXME: check these!
+   qcam="  root lp      660"
+ random="  root sys	664"
+    kbd="  root sys     664"
+framegr="  root sys     664"
 
 MAXVT=8
 
@@ -173,6 +204,9 @@
 			sr)	echo scd0 ;;
 			st)	echo st0 ;;
 			xd)	echo xda xdb ;;
+			dos_hd)	echo dos_hda dos_hdb dos_hdc dos_hdd ;;
+			ed)	echo eda edb ;;
+			ez)	echo eza ;;
 			fd)	echo fd0 fd1 ;;
 			lp)	echo lp ;;
 			mt)	echo ftape ;;
@@ -219,14 +253,23 @@
 		$0.local $opts
 		;;
 	std)
-		makedev mem  c 1 1 $kmem
-		makedev kmem c 1 2 $kmem
-		makedev null c 1 3 $public
-		makedev port c 1 4 $kmem
-		makedev zero c 1 5 $public
-		symlink core $procfs/kcore
-		makedev full c 1 7 $public
-		makedev ram  b 1 1 $disk
+		makedev mem	c 1 1 $kmem
+		makedev kmem	c 1 2 $kmem
+		makedev null	c 1 3 $public
+		makedev port	c 1 4 $kmem
+		makedev zero	c 1 5 $public
+		symlink core	$procfs/kcore
+		makedev full	c 1 7 $public
+		# [2.0.0]
+		makedev random	c 1 8 $random
+		makedev urandom	c 1 9 $random
+		# OUTDATED: makedev ram  b 1 1 $disk
+		for no in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ;
+		do
+		  makedev ram$no b 1 $no $disk
+		done
+		symlink ramdisk ram0
+		makedev initrd b 1 250 $disk
 		makedev tty  c 5 0 $tty
 		;;
 	console)
@@ -291,16 +334,49 @@
 		;;
 	busmice)
 		major=`Major mouse 10` || continue
-		makedev logimouse c $major 0 $mouse
-		makedev psmouse   c $major 1 $mouse
-		makedev msmouse   c $major 2 $mouse
-		makedev atimouse  c $major 3 $mouse
-		makedev jmouse    c $major 4 $mouse
+		makedev logibm    c $major 0 $mouse
+		symlink logimouse logibm
+		makedev psaux     c $major 1 $mouse
+		symlink psmouse   psaux
+		makedev inportbm  c $major 2 $mouse
+		symlink msmouse   inportbm
+		makedev atibm     c $major 3 $mouse
+		symlink atimouse  atibm
+		makedev jbm       c $major 4 $mouse
+		symlink jmouse    jbm
+		# Conflict: #makedev amigamouse   c $major 4 $mouse
+		#makedev atarimouse   c $major 5 $mouse
+		#makedev sunmouse     c $major 6 $mouse
+		#makedev amigamouse1  c $major 7 $mouse
+		;;
+	misc)
+		major=`Major misc 10` || continue
+		# FIXME: check categories!!
+		makedev beep		c $major 128 $audio
+		makedev modreq		c $major 129 $system
+		makedev watchdog	c $major 130 $system
+		makedev temperature	c $major 131 $system
+		makedev hwtrap		c $major 132 $system
+		makedev exttrap		c $major 133 $system
+		makedev apm_bios	c $major 134 $system
+		# symlink apm apmbios
+		makedev rtc		c $major 135 $system
+		makedev qcam0		c $major 136 $qcam
+		makedev qcam0		c $major 137 $qcam
+		makedev qcam0		c $major 138 $qcam
+		;;
+	kbd)	
+		major=`Major kbd 11` || continue
+		# [2.0.0] "the raw keyboard device is used on Linux/Sparc only"
+		makedev kbd		c $major 11  $kbd
 		;;
 	js)
-		major=`Major Joystick` || continue
+		major=`Major Joystick 15` || continue
 		makedev js0 c $major 0 $mouse
 		makedev js1 c $major 1 $mouse
+		# [2.0.0]
+		makedev djs0 c $major 128 $mouse
+		makedev djs1 c $major 129 $mouse
 		;;
 	fd[0-7])
 		major=`Major fd 2` || continue
@@ -412,11 +488,37 @@
 		makedev nst$unit c $major `math 128 + $unit` $tape
 		;;
 	qic)
-		major=`Major tpqic02 12`
+		major=`Major tpqic02 12` || continue
 		makedev rmt8       c $major   6 $tape
 		makedev rmt16      c $major   8 $tape
 		makedev tape-d     c $major 136 $tape
 		makedev tape-reset c $major 255 $tape
+		# [2.0.0] proposed:
+		#makedev ntpqic11	c $major   2 $tape
+		#makedev tpqic11	c $major   3 $tape
+		#makedev ntpqic24	c $major   4 $tape
+		#makedev tpqic24	c $major   5 $tape
+		#makedev ntpqic120	c $major   6 $tape
+		#makedev tpqic120	c $major   7 $tape
+		#makedev ntpqic150	c $major   8 $tape
+		#makedev tpqic150	c $major   9 $tape
+		;;
+	idetape)
+		major=`Major IDE-tape 37` || continue
+		# [2.0.0]
+		makedev ht0	c $major   0 $tape
+		makedev nht0	c $major 128 $tape
+		;;
+	zorroIIram)
+		major=`Major Zorro_II_Ramdisk 37` || continue
+		makedev z2ram	b $major   0 $disk
+		;;
+	mscdex)
+		major=`Major mscdex 12` || continue
+		# [2.0.0]
+		# FIXME: check categories!!
+		makedev dos_cd0		b $major   0 $cdrom
+		makedev dos_cd1		b $major   0 $cdrom
 		;;
 	ftape)
 		major=`Major mt 27` || continue
@@ -444,8 +546,15 @@
 	cdu535)
 		makedev $arg b 24 0 $cdrom
 		;;
-	lmscd)
+	cm205cd)
 		makedev $arg b 24 0 $cdrom
+		symlink lmscd $arg
+		;;
+	lmscd)
+		echo "OUTDATED! use cm205cd"
+		;;
+	cm206cd)
+		makedev $arg b 32 0 $cdrom
 		;;
 	sbpcd|sbpcd[123])
 		major=`Major $arg 25` || continue
@@ -463,6 +572,21 @@
 		major=`Major aztcd 29` || continue
 		makedev ${arg}0 b $major 0 $cdrom
 		;;
+	gscd)
+		# [2.0.0]
+		major=`Major GoldStarCD 16` || continue
+		makedev gscd b $major 0 $cdrom
+		;;
+	optcd)
+		# [2.0.0]
+		major=`Major OpticsStorageCD 17` || continue
+		makedev optcd b $major 0 $cdrom
+		;;
+	hitcd)
+		# [2.0.0]
+		major=`Major HitachiCD 20` || continue
+		makedev hitcd b $major 0 $cdrom
+		;;
 	logiscan)
 		major=`Major logiscan` || continue
 		makedev $arg c $major 0 $scanner
@@ -494,10 +618,65 @@
 		makedev midi03     c $major 50 $audio
 		;;
 	pcaudio)
-		major=`Major pcsp` || continue
+		major=`Major pcsp 13` || continue
 		makedev pcmixer c $major 0 $audio
-		makedev pcsp    c $major 3 $audio
+		# Was: makedev pcsp    c $major 3 $audio
+		# [2.0.0]:
+		makedev pcsp    c $major 0 $audio
 		makedev pcaudio c $major 4 $audio
+		makedev pcsp16  c $major 5 $audio
+		;;
+	dos_hd[a-d])
+		# [2.0.0]
+		major=`Major idebios 14` || continue
+		unit=`suffix $arg dos_hd`
+		base=`index abcd $unit`
+		base=`math $base \* 64`
+		makedev dos_hd$unit b $major $base $disk
+		for part in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
+		do
+			makedev dos_hd$unit$part b $major `expr $base + $part` \
+				$disk
+		done
+		;;
+	ed[ab])
+		# [2.0.0]
+		major=`Major MCA_ESDI_HDs 36` || continue
+		unit=`suffix $arg ed`
+		base=`index abcd $unit`
+		base=`math $base \* 64`
+		makedev ed$unit b $major $base $disk
+		for part in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
+		do
+			makedev ed$unit$part b $major `expr $base + $part` $disk
+		done
+		;;
+	eza)
+		# [2.0.0]
+		major=`Major Syquest_Removable 40` || continue
+		unit=`suffix $arg ez`
+		base=`index abcd $unit`
+		base=`math $base \* 64`
+		makedev ez$unit b $major $base $disk
+		for part in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
+		do
+			makedev ez$unit$part b $major `expr $base + $part` $disk
+		done
+		;;
+	geniusscan)
+		major=`Major GeniusScan 16` || continue
+		# [2.0.0]
+		makedev gs4500 c $major 0 $scanner
+		;;
+	doublecompress)
+		major=`Major DoubleCompress 19` || continue
+		# FIXME: check categories!!
+		# [2.0.0]
+		for no in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
+		do
+			makedev double$no b $major $0 $disk
+			makedev cdouble$no b $major `math 128 + $no` $disk
+		done
 		;;
 	sg)
 		major=`Major sg 21`
@@ -516,15 +695,20 @@
 		symlink stderr fd/2
 		;;
 	ibcs2)
-		major=`Major ibcs2` || continue
+		major=`Major ibcs2 30` || continue
 		makedev socksys c $major 0 $ibcs2
 		symlink nfsd socksys
 		makedev spx     c $major 1 $ibcs2
 		symlink X0R null
-		;;
-	apm)
-		major=`Major apm_bios` || continue
-		makedev $arg c $major 0 $system
+		# FIXME: check categories!!
+		# [2.0.0]
+		mkdir inet ; chmod 755 inet
+		makedev inet/arp	c $major 2 $ibcs2
+		makedev inet/icmp	c $major 2 $ibcs2
+		makedev inet/ip		c $major 2 $ibcs2
+		makedev inet/udp	c $major 2 $ibcs2
+		makedev inet/tcp	c $major 2 $ibcs2
+		chmod 755 inet
 		;;
 	dcf)
 		major=`Major dcf` || continue
@@ -533,6 +717,33 @@
 	helloworld)
 		major=`Major hw` || continue
 		makedev helloworld c $major 0 $public
+		;;
+	wvisfgrab)
+		major=`Major QuantaWinvisionFrameGrabber 26` || continue
+		makedev $arg c $major 0 $framegr
+		;;
+	mmetfgrab)
+		major=`Major MatroxMeteorFrameGrabber 40` || continue
+		makedev $arg c $major 0 $framegr
+		;;
+	isdn)
+		# FIXME: check categories!!
+		# [2.0.0]
+		makedev isdninfo c 255 $system
+		for no in 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 \
+			 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 \
+			 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 \
+			 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 \
+			 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 \
+			 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 \
+			 60 61 62 63 
+		do
+			makedev ttyI$no		c 43 $no $tty
+			makedev cui$no		c 44 $no $dialout
+			makedev idsn$no		c 45 $no $system
+			makedev idsnctrl$no	c 45 `math 64 + $no` $system
+			makedev ipp$no		c 45 `math 128 + $no` $system
+		done
 		;;
 	update)
 		if [ ! "$devices" ]
-- OUCH! --

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Package: dchanges
Version: 3.4

The urg= override is ignored.

Below I've included a simple patch which fixes the problem.
BTW, which values are valid for the Urgency-field ?

-Chris

--- dchanges.orig       Sun Jun 16 16:12:27 1996
+++ dchanges    Sun Jun 16 16:12:45 1996
@@ -65,7 +65,7 @@
       maint=*) MAINTAINER=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
       pgp=*) O_PGP=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
       dist=*) O_DIST=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
-      urg=*) O_PRI=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
+      urg=*) O_URG=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
       cs=*) O_CHA_S=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
       ce=*) O_CHA_E=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;
       arch=*) O_ARCH=`echo $ARG | cut -d= -f2`; shift 1;;

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maor@debian.org writes:
> Parsing dialog-0.9a-4.changes:
> 
> Installed dialog-0.9a-4.tar.gz into unstable/source/misc/dialog_0.9a-4.tar.gz (replacing dialog-0.9a-2.tar.gz)
> Installed dialog-0.9a-4.diff.gz into unstable/source/misc/dialog_0.9a-4.diff.gz (replacing dialog-0.9a-2.diff.gz)
> Installed dialog-0.9a-4.i386.deb into unstable/binary-i386/misc/dialog_0.9a-4.deb (replacing dialog-0.9a-2.deb)

I still seem to be listed as the dialog maintainer.  Would whomever
built this version like to take it over permanently?  Bruce, I think
it was you.

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> The only disadvantage is that for a couple of weeks, the unstable
> directory will not be the real unstable directory.  The real one will
> be rex, also reachable through an slink development.

As "unstable" gets unpopulated of real files, it should be repopulated
with symlinks to "rex". So if people go looking in there, they find the
files they need. Whether those files in "unstable" have underscores or
dashes is probably not terribly important, as long as everything in "rex"
has underscores. Then, when we move all of the real files to "rex", we can
remove "unstable" and point people at "development".

Be careful to avoid replacing directories with symbolic links. It tends
to confuse the mirror program.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Peter Tobias wrote:

>IMHO we should change our comm packages for Debian 1.2 to use
>/dev/ttyS* instead of /dev/cua*:

I'm hardly expert in standard practices in this area, but I'm
under the impression that the cua* devices are for dial-out.

This may not be definitive, but I note the following in
/usr/source/linux/Documentation/devices.txt:

  3 char        Pseudo-TTY slaves
                [...]
                 64 = /dev/ttyS0        First serial port
                      ...
                127 = /dev/ttyS63       64th serial port
                [...]
  5 char        Alternate TTY devices
                  0 = /dev/tty          Current TTY device
                 64 = /dev/cua0         Callout device corresponding to ttyS0
                      ...
                127 = /dev/cua63        Callout device corresponding to ttyS63


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'Brian C. White wrote:'
>
>> > Sorry to bother you again, but I thought non-free was precisely for
>> > packages which may not be sold on CDs.  Now I am confused.
>> 
>> You're not the only one. For example, shareware programs can be "sold" on CD
>> but require payment for use. I'd be more specific, but I can't get to
>> "master" at the moment. I'd better send Simon a note...
>
>This is one of the things I would like to improve about non-free's
>organization.  It would be a "Good Thing" (tm) in my opinion to at least
>differentiate between "non-free to distribute" and "non-free to use".

Umm, "non-free to distribute" shouldn't be on /any/ ftp site, right?

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> Umm, "non-free to distribute" shouldn't be on /any/ ftp site, right?

No, there are too many shades of this. Ask Dale about the new Pine/Pico
license.

	Bruce

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You (Bruce Perens) wrote:
> > Umm, "non-free to distribute" shouldn't be on /any/ ftp site, right?
> 
> No, there are too many shades of this. Ask Dale about the new Pine/Pico
> license.

Also, while on the subject, should "non-free" be renamed to
"buzz-nonfree" or "rex-nonfree" and frozen at the release,
just like the "normal distribution? The same for contrib, ofcourse.
Uhm and what about non-free-stable, non-free-unstable, contrib-stable
etc symlinks?

Perhaps the non-free directory should be moved into "rex" so that
is is part of the distribution itself wrt release engineering etc?

Mike.
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Is it intended that developers use the _ to separate package name and
version information in the names of .tar.gz and .diff.gz files?

Mike.
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package: dpkg
version: 1.2.6elf

I decided to play with the debian.rules file for one of my packages,
and one of the things I thought to do was actually create the .deb
file in its "final resting place", instead of creating then moving it.

$ pwd
/home/mdorman/prog
$ dpkg --build glimpse/tmp
dpkg-deb: building package `glimpse' in `glimpse/tmp.deb'.
$ ls tmp.deb
ls: tmp.deb: No such file or directory
$ ls glimpse/tmp.deb
glimpse/tmp.deb

Lo and behold, dpkg --build _won't let you do that_.  Nor, as far as I
can tell from the available documentation, does it give you a way to
override this behavior.

This is disorientingly un-Un*x like, and I don't see any compelling
advantage (or, in fact, any advantage at all) to this behavior.  I
think it should _at least_ create the .deb file in the current
directory, and it would be nice if it would let you specify an
arbitrary output file name.

Looking into it further, maybe the _real_ answer is to not use dpkg
--build at all, and instead use dpkg-deb --build, which does seem to
allow you to do all the things I just complained about.  If that is in
fact the answer, I suggest we document it as such.

While I'm at it, I'll also say that I don't see why dpkg --build
and/or dpkg-deb --build doesn't just name the file correctly in the
first place---it certainly has the information available.

Mike.
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In article <m0uUfNq-000VRsC@fnpc21.if.usp.br> ecl@fnpc21.if.usp.br (Emilio Lopes) writes:

> Package: doc-debian
> Version: 1.0-2
> 
> Hi, guidelines.texi.gz (from version 1.0-2 of the doc-debian package)
> refers to "Debian GNU/Linux" in the title. 

Maybe. 1.0-2 was quite old.

> Version 1.0-3 has corrected
> this, but it's still in the Incoming dir.

It is now in the unstable (aka buzz) tree.

I close this bug report.

	Sven
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OK, last Thursday I was told that use of section and priority in the
control files of packages was deprecated by those whose opinions would
seem to matter most---Ian Jackson, dpkg maintainer, and Guy Maor,
archive maintainer.

This is fine with me---one less detail to track for each package.

What about dchanges, though?  Is it going to wreak havoc in the
archive if tons of .changes files show up with misc/extra, even when
that's not actually where those packages belong?

I hope not, because that's exactly what it does given the above
set of recommendations.

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From: Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu>
> Is it intended that developers use the _ to separate package name and
version information in the names of .tar.gz and .diff.gz files?

Yes. The source file name should be consistent with the binary one.
This is espeically important when we do batch compilation of source
packages for ports.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Package: ddd-smotif
Version: 1.4d-2

I had ddd installed, and a simple dpkg -i ddd-smotif-1.4d-2.deb failed with
the "Conflicts: ddd" + "Provides: ddd".  I think that adding a "Replaces:
ddd" would do the job.

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Dale Scheetz writes ("Re: new syslogd"):
... 
> Well, sysklogd conflicts with syslogd. I assume this means that it
> conflicts with it's conffiles too?

No.

>  The thought was that this could be why
> dselect has problems with syslogd and sysklogd.

Could you please elaborate on these problems ?

Ian.

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Hi,

>         different sources and systems.  Non-free packages and optional
>         support for shadow passwords are also available, making Debian a

It might be a good idea to call the support for shadow passwords
"experimental" or "beta" just to be safe (not all packages support
them yet).  I'll try to help to make it fully working and better
integrated with the rest of Debian for the next release.

Also, mentioning non-free packages and shadow passwords in one sentence
might suggest to someone that shadow passwords are still non-free...

I'd suggest something like the following:

Optional support for shadow passwords is available, although it should
be considered experimental in the 1.1 release.

(and then write something about non-free packages)

Regards,

Marek

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:

> What about dchanges, though?  Is it going to wreak havoc in the
> archive if tons of .changes files show up with misc/extra, even when
> that's not actually where those packages belong?

No, it just gets overriden and dinstall will send you a warning.

> I hope not, because that's exactly what it does given the above
> set of recommendations.

dchanges should be changed to use '-' for both.  I'll file a bug report.


Guy

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I just wanted to let everyone know that debian.med.miami.edu is now up
and running.

Our mirror of the complete distribution can be found at:

  ftp://debian.med.miami.edu/debian

In addition, we have a complete copy of the debian-bugs database
available at:

  http://debian.med.miami.edu/

Rather than dumping you at the (long) numeric index of bugs, this puts
you at a short page with links to the three different indices.

There will probably be some relatively short downtime in the next few
weeks as we try and track down some errors we see when we enable the
full 64MB we've got in the machine, but they shouldn't be too
disruptive.

I would request that anyone intending to mirror from me (and I
encourage anyone close-by network-wise to do so) please contact me at
mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu.

Mike.
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Chris Fearnley wrote:

> Umm, "non-free to distribute" shouldn't be on /any/ ftp site, right?

I believe 'non-free to distribute' means, you can't sell it for money
(many people do this - they give the program away, but you can't sell a CD
with that program on it). In other words, ftp sites=OK, CD's=Not OK

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Package: xmanpages
Version: 3.1.2-5

The manpage for X(1) appears to be installed as a manpage in section
3 (library calls):

tacitus:~$ man X
Reformatting X(3x), please wait...

X(1)                                                         X(1)


NAME
       X - a portable, network-transparent window system

[...]

tacitus:/usr/X11R6/man/man3$ ls -l X.*
-r--r--r--   1 root     root        46244 Apr 20 19:13 X.3x

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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:22:13 -0400
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Okay.  I have created a new version of the pcmcia-cs package and am
currently uploading it.  Here is a list of the files it creates:

pcmcia-cs-1.3.100_2.8.16-1_i386.deb
	The binary version of the package.  It includes the modules
	compiled for kernel version 1.3.100 and all of the pcmcia-cs
	utility programs.

pcmcia-cs-source_2.8.16-1_i386.deb
	The deb file containing the package sources.  It unpacks into
	the /usr/src/pcmcia-cs-2.8.16 directory and creates a symbolic
	link to /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs.

pcmcia-cs_2.8.16-1.tar.gz
	The package sources in a compressed tar format.

pcmcia-cs_2.8.16-1.diff.gz
	The diff file describing the debianization done to the
	original package.

Here is a list of the targets of the debian.rules file:

Standard Targets:
   build:	Build the package (if not configured, configure
		according to the running kernel).
   binary:	Make the binary package deb file.  This can be used by
		those who customize their own kernel.
   clean:	Clean the package (undoes the effect of the build target).
   source:	Make a compressed tar file of the source.
   diff:	Make a file of the differences between the debianized
		package and the original package.

Special Targets:
   configure:	Configure the package according to the running kernel.
   changes:	Make a changes file (using dchanges) for this package.
   source_deb:	Make a deb file of the package sources.
		(pcmcia-cs-source_version_i386.deb)
   dist:	Makes all files required for the Debian distribution.
		(intended for the package maintainer).

Targets to be used by the kernel package:
   kdist_configure:
		Configure the package (intended for the kernel
		maintainer).
   kdist_image:
		Make the binary package deb file (intended for the
		kernel maintainer).
   kdist:	Makes all files required for the Debian distribution
		(intended for the kernel maintainer).

When the kdist targets are used the following three variables should
be defined:

   KVERS:	The version number of the kernel source.
   KSRC:	The location of the kernel source.
   KMAINT:	The name of the kernel package maintainer (a pgp key
		for signing the changes file).

The kdist target creates a new version of the package's deb file, but
does not create a new source or diff file, since it is assumed that
these have not changed.  It also executes dchanges to create a changes
file.  While new source and diff files are not created, if these files
are present in the $(KSRC)/.. directory, where the new deb file is
placed, they will be included in the changes file.  This also is true
for the pcmcia-cs-source deb file.

The dist target is intended for the package maintainer.  It creates
both deb files (one for the kernel modules and utilities and the other
for the source), the source file, the diff file, and a changes file.
If the package has not been previously configured (via a configure or
kdist_configure target or by using a make config command), it will be
configured using the kernel source configuration in the $(KSRC)
directory, just as with the kdist target.

The build target makes a new deb file.  If the package has not been
previously configured (via a configure or kdist_configure target or by
using a make config command), it will be configured to work with the
current running kernel and will use the kernel source files in the
/usr/src/linux directory.  This target provides a way to compile the
kernel modules without using the kernel-source package.

--
Brian Mays

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I put the 2.0 kernel packages in the release yesterday evening.

	Bruce

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Package: mathpad
Version: 0.60-0

1.  During the postinst script, the following message appears:
"Making font directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi..."
even though (on my system) that directory already exists.  Also, the 
postinst script reported no error message indicating that it didn't 
need to make the diretory.

2.  When I started up mathpad for the first time, a dialog box appeared 
asking whether I wanted to make the directory ~/mathpad.  Though I clicked
on the 'create' button, no such directory was made, and the dialog box
didn't go away.

These problems may somehow be system-specific, and Erick Branderhorst
(the current maintainer) did not see this behaviour on his system.

Susan Kleinmann
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branderh@iaehv.nl (Erick Branderhorst) writes:

> I don't think it can be done this way, because a lot of makefiles are
> organized in a way that they require the installer to be root at the
> moment of installation, or am I misinformed? 
> Perhaps fooling install might be an option?

What do you mean by "require the installer".  We don't use "make
install" for the final install anyway, and if you're worried about the
tools that are installing into debian-tmp, as long as the maintainer
makes sure to modify any references to "root" to something safe (like
`whoami`), then we won't care.  Either that or if the make file uses
"install" for installations, you just change

INSTALLER=install

to 

INSTALLER=dummy-installer

and of course we provide a dummy-installer that just copies the file
to debian-tmp, and adds the owner and permissions requested to a file
that will be used at package install time to actually set these
values.

So, to recap, all the files would still get installed into debian-tmp
so that the right directory heirarchy would be preserved, and then an
accompanying file debian.filestats or something would be created,
containing all the information about how to set the appropriate owners
and groups at package install time.

This file, debian.filestats, would either be created by the
maintainer, or outomatically generated by dummy installers (or even a
combination of the two).  I was also thinking that the filestats file
could have special tags for man, binary, etc. that just tell the
debian installer to "do the right thing" at package install time --
tell it to give the indicated files the current preferred Debian
permissions and ownerships for that type of file.  Something like
(from a mythical debian.filestats):

/usr/bin/* type:binary
/usr/man/* type:man
/usr/lib/gimp/*.xpm 644 root.root
/usr/doc/gimp/* type:documentation

or whatever.

Reasonable?
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Rob

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Package: base
Version: debian pre-release 1.1 12-jun-96

When install menu propose to select a keymap, nothing is really done
/etc/kbd/config file is not updated.

I have updated /etc/kbd/config manually (fr-latin1.map), so the keyboard
was OK, but it was still impossible to display specific ISO-latin 
letters (as e-cute, e-grave, etc ...). This is working properly with
Slackware 3.0, not with Debian 1.1 or 0.93

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> >> > Sorry to bother you again, but I thought non-free was precisely for
> >> > packages which may not be sold on CDs.  Now I am confused.
> >>
> >> You're not the only one. For example, shareware programs can be "sold" on CD
> >> but require payment for use. I'd be more specific, but I can't get to
> >> "master" at the moment. I'd better send Simon a note...
> >
> >This is one of the things I would like to improve about non-free's
> >organization.  It would be a "Good Thing" (tm) in my opinion to at least
> >differentiate between "non-free to distribute" and "non-free to use".
>
> Umm, "non-free to distribute" shouldn't be on /any/ ftp site, right?

Not always.  Just because something isn't "freely distributable" doesn't
mean that has not distributable by any specific medium, just that it can't
be distributed on all mediums.  Many programs can be made available over
FTP and yet prohibit distribution on CD-Rom.

As a person who writes some shareware applications, I would like to be able
to put in the distribution knowing that CD-Rom manufacturers will pick it
up.  If users choose to use it, then they have to pay for it.  In the end,
everybody wins.  I win because I have a bigger distribution channel.  Users
win because they have more readily available applications.  Debian wins
because it will have more users and higher satisfaction.

                                        Brian
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Package: base
Version: boot disks of 1996_6_11
 
/etc/rc.boot/0serial tries to do a 'wild' interrupt detection. Also, it
configures cua0 to cua32. That's "a bit optimistic"...
 
Proposed fix: leave in only the last line of the script.
Not two computers have the same COM ports: a Compaq Deskpro has only COM1,
my computer has COM1 and COM2, other computers have internal modems on
COM[34].
 
 
 
        Niels

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Package: base
Version: 1996_11_6

If you do not have a gateway on your system, the Debian installation puts
'GATEWAY=none' in /etc/init.d/networks. then later it tries to add a
default route to that.

Two possible solutions:
(1) If no default gateway, just use the local hostname
(2) If no default gateway, don't attempt to add a route to it.



	Niels

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Hi,

I'm planning to do a package, erh, hm, ... it's the Linux-2.0 Logo
package :-).

But I have some doubts:

1- There is some trouble with dpkg naming it linux-2.0-logo_1.0-0.all.deb?

2- The logo itself is a gif file. Is it non-free? I can convert it to
   a jpeg file if needed.

3- Where should I put the logo? /usr/lib/images?

4- Should it "depends" or simply "recommends" X11-image-viewer? I got
   this name from the xv package but it is not listed in
   virtual-package-names-list.text. I think it's a good idea to
   standardize this. Packages like pbmplus should then use this.

Thanks for your ideas.

Emilio.

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> I've just discovered, when installing xntp-doc-3.5c-1, that netscape
> doesn't declare itself as providing a "www-browser", causeing xntp-doc
> to be left unconfigured.

Thank you!  I've made the fix in the source and it will be uploaded shortly.

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> Since we're going to be
> moving every file in "unstable" anyway, that sounds like a good time to
> switch from "unstable" to a symbolic-linked directory (tentatively called
> "rex").

I recommend putting "rex" under a subdirectory called "releases" or something,
just to reduce clutter and confusion in the root directory.

> With ports on the horizon, we should be making sure that an automatic build
> of Debian in its entirety is more than a _theoretical_ possibility.

Cool!

                                        Brian
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> 
> branderh@iaehv.nl (Erick Branderhorst) writes:
> 
> > I don't think it can be done this way, because a lot of makefiles are
> > organized in a way that they require the installer to be root at the
> > moment of installation, or am I misinformed? 
> > Perhaps fooling install might be an option?
> 
> What do you mean by "require the installer".  We don't use "make
> install" for the final install anyway, and if you're worried about the
I use make install in a lot of the packages I maintain because this is the 
closest to the mainstream installation. And we want to provide users the
most close to mainstream installation but then better.

[deleted stuff about dummy-installer]
> Reasonable?
Makes a lot of sense to me, can you hack install to do such a thing?

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ecl@fnpc21.if.usp.br (Emilio Lopes) writes:

> 2- The logo itself is a gif file. Is it non-free? I can convert it to
>    a jpeg file if needed.

Don't know about the other stuff, but for this I'd recommend png, not
jpeg.  As I understand it gif's lossless, and so is png, and I think
png was meant to be the replacement for gif, so it'd be an appropriate
translation.  That said, I've never messed with png myself, but I've
been planning to start using it when appropriate.

--
Rob

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branderh@debian.IAEhv.nl writes:

> Makes a lot of sense to me, can you hack install to do such a thing?

You mean actually modify the source for /usr/bin/install itself so we
have a new install that's Debian specific, I'd be really nervous about
that.  But if you mean either writing a substitute program that could
be used when building packages, no problem.  In fact I'd probably just
write a wrapper (perl) script that looks at the args, handles the mode
and owner flags itself (as mentioned earlier), and then calls the
normal install for the rest of the job (stripping, copying, etc).

Should be pretty easy.

--
Rob

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>>>>> "AD" == Austin Donnelly <and1000@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

AD> I'm not convinced we need the package at all.

AD> After all, you get the image with the kernel sources anyway.

Sure? I didn't know that. It's really hidden in that "Documentation"
dir...

Anyway, maybe someone who does not want the sources may want the logo?

ECL.

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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> ecl@fnpc21.if.usp.br (Emilio Lopes) writes:
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> > 2- The logo itself is a gif file. Is it non-free? I can convert it to
> >    a jpeg file if needed.
> 
> Don't know about the other stuff, but for this I'd recommend png, not
> jpeg.  As I understand it gif's lossless, and so is png, and I think
> png was meant to be the replacement for gif, so it'd be an appropriate
> translation.  That said, I've never messed with png myself, but I've
> been planning to start using it when appropriate.

I'm not convinced we need the package at all.

After all, you get the image with the kernel sources anyway.

Austin

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> AD> I'm not convinced we need the package at all. 
> AD> After all, you get the image with the kernel sources anyway.
> 
> Sure? I didn't know that. It's really hidden in that "Documentation"
> dir...
> Anyway, maybe someone who does not want the sources may want the logo?
> 
> ECL.

It's also available separately on (at least) the funet mirror sites in the
same directory as the 2.0 source. I don't think we really need this, but
if you've got the time to fill...

Jon


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> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Rob Browning wrote:
> 
> > ecl@fnpc21.if.usp.br (Emilio Lopes) writes:
> > 
> > > 2- The logo itself is a gif file. Is it non-free? I can convert it to
> > >    a jpeg file if needed.
> > 
> > Don't know about the other stuff, but for this I'd recommend png, not
> > jpeg.  

PNG is a bandwidth-conservative, patent-free replacement for GIF (as well 
as many uses of TIFF).  If you want to use it, you might be interested in 
looking at:
     http://www.boutell.com/boutell/png/

Cheers,
Susan Kleinmann
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[ Note: I read this mailing list.  There is no need to CC me on replies,
  unless it is _really_ urgent.  I pay for my PPP connections.  Thanks. ]

Jon Rabone:
> It's also available separately on (at least) the funet mirror sites in the
> same directory as the 2.0 source. I don't think we really need this, but
> if you've got the time to fill...

I doubt there is much need for a linux-logo package (but if one is made,
the proposed name linux-2.0-logo is distracting, due to the version number
in the middle -- linux-logo should do equally well).

For those of you who have some free time, perhaps designing a flashy
xdm login screen would be a better project.  That is, something more
sexy than the default criss-cross background with a dull, white
"login:/Password:" window in the middle.  It should be optional to
use this (not everyone's machine is idle when displaying the xdm login
screen, and a fancy one can use up a lot of memory), so it should be
a separate package.

The Linux 2.0 penguin should definitely be part of it.

I don't remember if Debian has a logo, but if it does, that should also
be part of it.

Imagine a roomful of student workstation, all of them displaying
Linux and Debian logos.  Any students working in that room every day
will feel that their Red Hat systems at home lack that special something
and will soon switch to Debian instead.


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Lars Wirzenius <i-do-not-want-any-unsolicited-commercial-or-uncommercial-email@iki.fi> writes:

> [ Note: I read this mailing list.  There is no need to CC me on replies,
>   unless it is _really_ urgent.  I pay for my PPP connections.  Thanks. ]

Hmm, what if the debian lists had a Reply-to header that was the list
in question.  That would cut down on unintentional replies.  Or is
that a violation of standard practice?
 
> For those of you who have some free time, perhaps designing a flashy
> xdm login screen would be a better project.  That is, something more
> sexy than the default criss-cross background with a dull, white
> "login:/Password:" window in the middle.  It should be optional to

This sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately, I'm not sure it's
important enough that someone'll be willing to take the time to do
it.  It would be good PR though.

> The Linux 2.0 penguin should definitely be part of it.

Yes.

> I don't remember if Debian has a logo, but if it does, that should also
> be part of it.

No, we used to use the baby GNU, but, well...

Anyway, I had a friend (graphic artist) that was working on something,
but I wouldn't hold your breath.  He's busy too.

--
Rob

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"Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net> writes:

> PNG is a bandwidth-conservative, patent-free replacement for GIF (as well 
> as many uses of TIFF).  If you want to use it, you might be interested in 
> looking at:
>      http://www.boutell.com/boutell/png/

Thanks, Susan, that's what I meant to say :>

--
Rob

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[ Note: I read this mailing list.  There is no need to CC me on replies,
  unless it is _really_ urgent.  I pay for my PPP connections.  Thanks. ]

Rob Browning:
> Hmm, what if the debian lists had a Reply-to header that was the list
> in question.  That would cut down on unintentional replies.  

It's a bad idea.  It makes it more difficult to choose whom the replies 
should go to.  Sometimes one wants to reply to the list, sometimes to
the author.  If there is a Reply-to, in many MUA's it is more difficult
to reply to the author (i.e., you'd have to copy the address, often
by hand if not using X).

Also, some people happen to prefer to get replies via a Cc as well via
the list, since they sort the mailing list to a folder, and might not
read it every day.  Mailing lists can also be slower.

So, I wouldn't vote for an automatic Reply-to to the list.  I'm quite
happy with the annoying message at the beginning, especially since I
don't have to do anything special to get it there (I just select
"Reply to list" from the exmh menu, instead of "Reply to all" -- the
list reply is my addition, btw).

> This sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately, I'm not sure it's
> important enough that someone'll be willing to take the time to do
> it.  It would be good PR though.

The hard part is designing what it should look like.  If it is kept
simple, it's just a nice background image (and that would be quite good
enough, at least to begin with).  Putting that image to the screen is
trivial.

XBanner might also be worth a look.

(I may play with this sooner or later -- I tend to play with my X 
configuration anyway, when I'm tired and should be doing something
imporant. :-)

> No, we used to use the baby GNU, but, well...

Ah.  That might be, shall we say, not the right choice, politically, unless
relations with the FSF warm up a bit first.  (Always a possibility, and
I'd certainly welcome it.)

> Anyway, I had a friend (graphic artist) that was working on something,
> but I wouldn't hold your breath.  He's busy too.

  "Boss, can I ask you something?"
  "Sure."
  "Everyone's always talking about vacations and free time and things like
that.  How come I never have any?"
  "You wouldn't like it."
  "But they it's better than work.  They really forward to it."
  "Remember last year, when the office was shut down for a week."
  "When they replace all windows?  Sure I remember.  I couldn't play with
a computer for a week.  Horrible."
  "Vacations are like that."
  "Oh."
  "So you wouldn't like them."
  "But everyone else does."
  "Ah, but that's because they're lusers, not hackers."
  "Oh."
  "Now go back and write that compiler.  We need it last week."


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>>>>> "Engel" == David Engel <david@elo.ods.com> wrote:

Engel> Guy Maor writes:
>> To guarantee that the changes file is uncorrupted?  Nothing for
>> now.  After 1.1 is released, I'll start requiring all changes files
>> to be pgp signed.  That will guarantee their sanctity.

Engel> Can you suggest a good introductory document for setting up and
Engel> using pgp?

That's a good idea. I had bad times reading that looooong pgp manuals
the first time I setup pgp.

What about a PGP-Howto?

Emilio.

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I am working on an LClint package that is taking much
longer than I expected due to unforseen time constraints.
I hope to finish it up in the next couple of weeks. To
do so I need answers to a couple of questions. First and
most important is a question about the license. It follows:

     Copyright (c) Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1994, 1995, 1996.
     All Rights Reserved.
     Unpublished rights reserved under the copyright laws of
     the United States.

 THIS MATERIAL IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY EXPRESSED
 OR IMPLIED.  ANY USE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 This code is distributed freely and may be used freely under the 
 following conditions:

     1. This notice may not be removed or altered.

     2. This code may not be re-distributed or modified
        without permission from MIT (contact 
        lclint-request@larch.lcs.mit.edu.)  

        Modification and re-distribution are encouraged,
        but we want to keep track of changes and
        distribution sites.


I mailed the request list as required and received the 
following reply.

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Sorry for the slow response, I was out of town last week.

> I am writing to request permission to modify and re-distribute
> lclint as part of the Debian projects distribution of Linux.

Sure, I have no problem with this, as long as some effort is made to
make sure the most recent version is included as well as documentation
pointing to the larch site.

--- Dave



So is this allowed in the regular distribution or should it
be in non-free.

Secondly, the LClint package provides some .el and .elc files
to allow access to LClint through emacs. I noticed a directory
under /usr/lib/emacs named site-lisp. Is this an appropriate
place to install these files or does that directory serve some
other purpose? There are only 3or4 files so should I create a
separate sub-directory for them if this is the proper place to
put them?

Thanks for your input

Dale Miller
dale@csd.uwoi.ca
sorry that email address should be
dale@csd.uwo.ca

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With that license it would definitely go in non-free. Each CD manufacturer
would have to ask permission individually to put it on their CD.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Package: psptools
Version: 1.2-2

All files are installed under /usr/local. This is not the place Debian
installs its files.

Michael

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Dale Miller writes:
> > I am writing to request permission to modify and re-distribute
> > lclint as part of the Debian projects distribution of Linux.
> 
> Sure, I have no problem with this, as long as some effort is made to
> make sure the most recent version is included as well as documentation
> pointing to the larch site.

I don't agree with Bruce here. This personal email does not say anything
that requires each CD manufacturer to request permission. The original
copyright notice does, but with this personal permission it should be okay.

But then I've been wrong before...

> Secondly, the LClint package provides some .el and .elc files
> to allow access to LClint through emacs. I noticed a directory
> under /usr/lib/emacs named site-lisp. Is this an appropriate
> place to install these files or does that directory serve some
> other purpose? There are only 3or4 files so should I create a
> separate sub-directory for them if this is the proper place to
> put them?

My own (local) lclint installation used this directory, too. No problem so
far.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:40:31 +0200 (MET DST)
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Darren/Torin/Who Ever... writes:
> >As far as I can tell this package doesn't belong into non-free but could go
> >into graphics. Could anyone please check that? I think we have some other
> >packages with almost the same copyright in the tree.
> 
> There are two problems here: 1) It uses gif which Unisys has patent

Doesn't xloadimage use it, too?

> claims on. 2) Not all of the authors of the various additions to the pbm
> utilities have made a permissive copyright...

Oops, I only checked the debian.copyright file. Sorry.

Michael
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Package: linuxdoc-sgml
Version: 1.5-2
Maintainer: Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de>

from /usr/info/linuxdoc-sgml.info.gz:

File: guide.info,  Node: Installation,  Next: Writing Documents With Linuxdoc-SGML,  Prev: Introduction,  Up: Top

Installation
************

   Get `linuxdoc-sgml-1.5.tar.gz' from one of the following ftp sites:
   * `'

   * `'

   * `'

   Uptodate patches to version 1.5 can be found at `'.

   You can also get uptodate information from the `'.

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Raul Miller:
> > (2) If I set MOUSE_TYPE, then switch consoles, when I come back it has
> > forgotten about the environmental variable.  [I know you can't do
> > anything about this one except refer it on to crack dot com, but I'd
> > prefer you do this than I...]
 
Dorg Geiger:
> What? What shell are you using? Enviornment variables should be saved, I
> don't think that has anything to do w/abuse.

This is not a shell issue.  The problem is that I start abuse, switch
VTs, then switch back, and abuse has forgotten that I have a PS2
mouse.  I never exitted abuse.

-- 
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Rob Browning writes:
 > be used when building packages, no problem.  In fact I'd probably just
 > write a wrapper (perl) script that looks at the args, handles the mode
 > and owner flags itself (as mentioned earlier), and then calls the
 > normal install for the rest of the job (stripping, copying, etc).
probably better that way, I would like to test the script when you wrote it,
Erick

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From: Erick Branderhorst <branderh@morris.hlkd.azr.nl>
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 > So is this allowed in the regular distribution or should it
 > be in non-free.
Seems ok to me, if not ok tell me because same kind of thing is with the
mathpad package.
 > Secondly, the LClint package provides some .el and .elc files
 > to allow access to LClint through emacs. I noticed a directory
 > under /usr/lib/emacs named site-lisp. Is this an appropriate
 > place to install these files or does that directory serve some
 > other purpose? There are only 3or4 files so should I create a
 > separate sub-directory for them if this is the proper place to
 > put them?
I recommend site-lisp/subdir, but that's personal.

erick

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I think it is a bug that the 2.0 sources are only in buzz/binary-i386/devel,
and not in buzz/binary-all/devel. Moreover, they are neither in unstable or
in rex. 

Here's the output from a find on master:

$ find . -name kernel-source\*deb
./unstable/binary-alpha/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./unstable/binary-i386/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./unstable/binary-m68k/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./unstable/binary-sparc/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./unstable/binary-all/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./buzz/binary-i386/devel/kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb        <----- the only one
./buzz/binary-all/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./rex/binary-alpha/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./rex/binary-i386/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./rex/binary-m68k/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./rex/binary/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb
./rex/binary-sparc/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb     

-- 
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>>>>> "LW" == Lars Wirzenius wrote:

LW> For those of you who have some free time, perhaps designing a flashy
LW> xdm login screen would be a better project.  That is, something more
LW> sexy than the default criss-cross background with a dull, white
LW> "login:/Password:" window in the middle.  It should be optional to
LW> use this (not everyone's machine is idle when displaying the xdm login
LW> screen, and a fancy one can use up a lot of memory), so it should be
LW> a separate package.

I can try to do that. I'll have a look at xbanner.

Also, a friend is using a tk script to do something like this. But,
probably, we don't want it to depend on tcl/tk, do we?

LW> The Linux 2.0 penguin should definitely be part of it.

Of course. I loved that penguin!
LW> I don't remember if Debian has a logo, but if it does, that should also
LW> be part of it.

We had that baby Gnu, but that was in the old times...

Ciao, Emilio.

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>>>>> "DM" == Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca> wrote:

DM> Secondly, the LClint package provides some .el and .elc files
DM> to allow access to LClint through emacs. I noticed a directory
DM> under /usr/lib/emacs named site-lisp. Is this an appropriate
DM> place to install these files or does that directory serve some
DM> other purpose? There are only 3or4 files so should I create a
DM> separate sub-directory for them if this is the proper place to
DM> put them?

I think it's a good idea to put them in a subdir of site-lisp. Please,
have a look at the package w3-el (in the section net; It was packaged
by Raul Miller) to see how to do the autoloads in a clean way.

Emilio.

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runexe@ntplx.net (Doug Geiger)  wrote on 16.06.96 in <Pine.LNX.3.93.960616180504.349A-100000@thevoid.ntplx.net>:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Chris Fearnley wrote:
>
> > Umm, "non-free to distribute" shouldn't be on /any/ ftp site, right?
>
> I believe 'non-free to distribute' means, you can't sell it for money
> (many people do this - they give the program away, but you can't sell a CD
> with that program on it). In other words, ftp sites=OK, CD's=Not OK

I think it actually means "there are unusual distribution restrictions on  
this, you have to check it out first".

Yours is one possible example. Another is the "you can distribute it just  
fine, as long as you don't put commercial programs on the same CD" stuff I  
believe Aladdin ghostscript has. There are probably more variations.

MfG Kai

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I uploaded my own 2.0 package for "buzz". I'll let Simon upload his own
for "unstable". This will probably happen once Linus returns from vacation
and releases 2.0.1 .

	Thanks

	Bruce

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In the process of updating my WWW pages last night, I decided to check all 
the Debian mirrors; given the new release, I thought this might be a good time. 
As a spot check on how uptodate a mirror was, I looked for/at 
unstable/binary/base/base-*.deb.  In particular, I was checking the version
number on base.  

I found several surprises.  
a) One site (ftp.usyd.edu.au) was months out of date only because the
administrator (Andrew Howell) didn't have a mirror account.

b) Most of the international debian.org aliases seem to be broken.
The only exception was ftp.debian.org.au -> ftp.tower.net.au

c) Many sites (including Simon Shapiro's) encourage folks to get more
info from imurdock@debian.org.  I saw this in at least one .message file
at the top of the unstable directory.

d) Many sites seem to be missing the base package.  I suspect this is 
because of a bug with a link.

e) A number of mirrors listed on previous emails or in the www.debian.org
Debian FTP sites list seem to be surprisingly out of date or incomplete.
This may be due to aborted mirror runs.  I don't know.

I've written to all (I think) of the administrators about these problems,
but thought you all might want to be aware of the situation.   Also, attached
below please find my updated WWW page.  Feel free to use/incorporate/edit it
as you wish.

I think it would be useful to have a script or two, to check automatically
whether all of these sites (or at least a reasonable number on one's 
continent) are on-line and current.  It would be good to have the output
easily accessible.  Also, folks might want to have a script that ping'd the
sites within some radius of their site, as an indicator of the fastest route
to a host at any particular time.  Perhaps such scripts already exist.
Comments?

Susan Kleinmann
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<H3 ALIGN=CENTER>Debian Mirrors</A></H3>

The official list of Debian mirrors is listed in debian/README.mirrors.  
The list below was gleaned from the debian-user mailing list, and is larger
than the official list.
<P>
Sites marked with an asterisk (*) keep source code.
<P>

<TABLE>
<TR><TH ALIGN=LEFT>Country</TH> <TH ALIGN=LEFT>Host:/Directory</TH> </TR>

<TR><TD>Australia</TD>
    <TD>
    <A HREF="ftp://ftp.debian.org.au/pub/linux/debian">
    ftp.debian.org.au:/pub/linux/debian</A>*, a.k.a. ftp.tower.net.au
    </TD>
</TR>

<TR><TD>Australia</TD>
    <TD>
    <A HREF="ftp://ftp.it.com.au/mirrors/linux/debian">
    ftp.it.com.au:/mirrors/linux/debian</A>*
    </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Belgium</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/pub/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian">
     ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be:/pub/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Belgium</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.belgium.eunet.net/pub/linux/debian">
     ftp.belgium.eunet.net:/pub/linux/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Brazil</TD>
     <TD><A HREF="ftp://linux.if.usp.br/debian">
     linux.if.usp.br:/debian</A>*, 
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Costa Rica</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://simula.efis.ucr.ac.cr/pub/debian">
     simula.efis.ucr.ac.cr:/pub/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Finland</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/mirrors/debian/">
     ftp.funet.fi:/pub/Linux/mirrors/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>France</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.ibp.fr/pub/linux/distributions/debian">
     ftp.ibp.fr:/pub/linux/distributions/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Germany</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de/pub/os/linux/debian">
     ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de:/pub/os/linux/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Germany</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.inka.de/debian/">ftp.inka.de:/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Netherlands</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.leidenuniv.nl/pub/linux/debian">
     ftp.leidenuniv.nl:/pub/linux/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Netherlands</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Debian">
     ftp.nluug.nl:/pub/os/Linux/distr/Debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD> Sweden</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.lh.umu.se/debian">
     ftp.lh.umu.se:/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Switzerland</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://nic.switch.ch/linux/distributions/debian">
     nic.switch.ch:/linux/distributions/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>United Kingdom</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.mcc.ac.uk/pub/linux/distributions/Debian">
     ftp.mcc.ac.uk:/pub/linux/distributions/Debian</A>
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. (was Michigan)</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian">
      ftp.debian.org:/debian</A>*.
      Currently, this site has been moved to master.debian.org. 
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. Florida</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://debian.med.miami.edu/debian">
     debian.med.miami.edu:/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. (Michigan?)</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.microworld.net/debian">
     ftp.microworld.net:/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR><TD>U.S. Oregon</TD>
    <TD>
    <A HREF="ftp://master.debian.org/debian">
    master.debian.org:/debian</A>* 
    </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. New York</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://sun10.sep.bnl.gov/pub/Linux/debian">
     sun10.sep.bnl.gov:/pub/Linux/debian</A> (non-working hours EDT)
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. New York</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://llug2.sep.bnl.gov/pub/Linux/debian">
     llug2.sep.bnl.gov:/pub/debian</A>.<BR>  
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. North Carolina</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/debian">
     sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/distributions/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. Utah</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/mirrors/debian">
     ftp.caldera.com:/pub/mirrors/debian</A>*
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. Virginia</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://debian.crosslink.net/pub/debian">
     debian.crosslink.net:/pub/debian</A>
     </TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

<HR>

The following sites seem to have disappeared, are very far out of date, or
have other accessibility problems at present:

<TABLE>
<TR><TH ALIGN=LEFT>Country</TH> <TH ALIGN=LEFT>Host:/Directory</TH> </TR>
<TR> <TD>Australia</TD> 
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.usyd.edu.au/linux/debian">
     ftp.usyd.edu.au:/linux/debian</A>* (out of date; needs a mirror account)
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Germany</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de/pub/os/linux/packages/debian">
ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de:/pub/os/linux/packages/debian</A> (out of date)
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Germany</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de/pub/os/linux/packages/debian">
ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de:/pub/os/linux/packages/debian</A> (out of date)
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>Netherlands</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://ftp.nl.net/pub/os/Linux/distr/Debian">
     ftp.nl.net:/pub/os/Linux/distr/Debian</A>.  
     No DNS entry.
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR><TD>United Kingdom</TD>
    <TD>
    <A HREF="ftp://unix.hensa.ac.uk/mirrors/debian">
    unix.hensa.ac.uk:/mirrors/debian</A>* (out of date and incomplete)
    </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>United Kingdom</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/debian">
      sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/debian</A>, a.k.a. src.doc.ic.ac.uk<BR> 
      June 18, 1996:  this site appears to be out of date and incomplete.
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. California</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://aij.st.hmc.edu/pub/debian">
     aij.st.hmc.edu:/pub/debian</A>*.  <BR>
     On June 18, 1996, this site seems to be inaccessible.
     </TD>
</TR>

<TR> <TD>U.S. Massachusetts</TD>
     <TD>
     <A HREF="ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian">
     tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/distributions/debian</A><BR>
     On June 18, 1996, many of the directories at this site were largely empty.
     </TD>


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Hi -

Just a little question, maybe someone knows the answer.

Local computer vendors are advertising internal tape backup drive,
made by various manufacturers, that are referred to as "travan" type
drives. Are these the same as QIC? If not, can they be accessed via
Linux?

Any help would be very much appreciated,

Bill
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Erick Branderhorst <branderh@morris.hlkd.azr.nl> writes:

Does anyone else have any opinions about this issue?  We (Erick and I)
have been babbling on about this, and I didn't know if everyone else's
silence was a lack of interest or a general agreement.  i.e. Is this
something that people think is worth working on?  If so, I'll probably
give it a try.

--
Rob

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According to the Ftape-HOWTO, Travan drives are supported.

Hope this helps.

Susan Kleinmann
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On 18 Jun 1996 rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:

> This is not a shell issue.  The problem is that I start abuse, switch
> VTs, then switch back, and abuse has forgotten that I have a PS2
> mouse.  I never exitted abuse.

What happens exactly. Do you get an error message? Does the mouse simply
stop responding? Are you running gpm? I've tested this out with my PS/2
mouse, but haven't had any problems switching VC's. 

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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> With that license it would definitely go in non-free. Each CD manufacturer
> would have to ask permission individually to put it on their CD.

Dale, why don't you send them some mail asking if this would be the
case?  If so - nonfree, if not - main.

I think it would be wise to append the email you receive to the
copyright file.


Guy

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I seem to have missed something... what exactly is the 'buzz'
hierarchy? How does it relate to unstable?

//Petri

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> I seem to have missed something... what exactly is the 'buzz'
> hierarchy? How does it relate to unstable?
> 
> //Petri

buzz is the new name for the Debian-1.1 release.  unstable is the current
devolpment version (which will be 1.2) which we're now going to work on.
Basically unstable is a copy of buzz which'll have newer packages installed
as they're released.

...Karl
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Bill Mitchell wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Peter Tobias wrote:
> 
> >IMHO we should change our comm packages for Debian 1.2 to use
> >/dev/ttyS* instead of /dev/cua*:
> 
> I'm hardly expert in standard practices in this area, but I'm
> under the impression that the cua* devices are for dial-out.
> 
> This may not be definitive, but I note the following in
> /usr/source/linux/Documentation/devices.txt:

The reasons why this should be changed were part of the mail
from Theodore Ts'o. The cua devices use a kernel based locking
mechanism which can't be used in all situations. For example I
have to use the ttyS* devices for mgetty/dip/minicom (dip and
minicom won't work with the cua* devices). But that is much
better explained in the mail from Theodore Ts'o.


Thanks,

Peter

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I'm working on the FAQ now, and believe it or not, these questions come up
(at least in the back of people's minds) fairly often.  

So, is it "Deee'-bian" (long e) or "Deb'-ian" (short e), or something else?

Also, where did the word come from and why does the project have that name?

TIA,
Susan Kleinmann
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> I'm working on the FAQ now, and believe it or not, these questions come up
> (at least in the back of people's minds) fairly often.  
> 
> So, is it "Deee'-bian" (long e) or "Deb'-ian" (short e), or something else?
> 
> Also, where did the word come from and why does the project have that name?
> 
> TIA,
> Susan Kleinmann
> sgk@tiac.net

As far as I know it's pronounced "deb-ian" because it was named after
Debra and Ian Murdock who founded the project.  Everytime I say deee-beean
I get a shiver up my spine :-) <shiiiiiver>

...Karl
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I think we should look at adapting the src.rpm format to debian's needs, but
I haven't investigated it enough to know how practical an idea that is.

	Bruce

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   Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:20:55 -0400
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   So, is it "Deee'-bian" (long e) or "Deb'-ian" (short e), or something else?

It never occurred to me that the pronunciation could be anything other than
"Day'-bee-un", but then I say "Lye'-nucks", too.

--Mike

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[ Note: I read this mailing list.  There is no need to CC me on replies,
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Michael Meskes:
> > There are two problems here: 1) It uses gif which Unisys has patent
> 
> Doesn't xloadimage use it, too?

Only to decode, I think.  Decoding is OK.  pbmplus also creates GIF's.

gunzip also decodes .Z's, but it is still free.  Unisys has graciously
allowed people to decode, but not to code.


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Package: netstd
Version: 2.05-1

Debian 1.1 is supposed to work with kernel 1.2.13.  But traceroute is broken.

    traceroute: IP_HDRINCL: Protocol not available

--
Shields, CrossLink.


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Package: deliver
Version: 2.1.12-2

Due to some problem the "File table overflow" error condition occured.
During this sendmail received a mail, it was bounced with a wrong
reason "No such user", whereas I think it should have been queued and
retried.

The bounce mail said the following (user and hostname slightly
edited):

deliver: can't create /tmp/dl.a20853: File table overflow
deliver: can't create /tmp/dl.a20853: File table overflow
deliver: delivery error on host hostname
Delivery to these addresses failed:
	username
Reason(s) for failure:
	"username": No such user
deliver: can't remove /tmp/dl.a20853: No such file or directory
554 <username@hostname.domain.de>... unknown mailer error 1

Sendmail expects some special return codes (EX_TEMPFAIL and
EX_UNAVAILABLE; see sysexits.h) in order to decide whether it should
retry the delivery later.

deliver seems not to generate these exit codes appropriately.

(Instead of fixing deliver another option might be to use mail.local
again, however I don't remember what the current status with the
several mail.local programmes is.)

	Sven
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Michael Shields wrote:
> Package: netstd
> Version: 2.05-1
> 
> Debian 1.1 is supposed to work with kernel 1.2.13.  But traceroute is broken.
> 
>     traceroute: IP_HDRINCL: Protocol not available

I can disable it, but that would also disable it for all Debian users
that use 1.3 or 2.0 kernels (which support IP_HDRINCL).


Thanks,

Peter

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Can someone specify for me a document (either within /usr/doc or on 
the WWW somewhere) that says exactly what the internals of a .deb file 
look like?

I need (want?) this for the FAQ.  Though users might not _need_ to know what
the format is, I believe that people would like at least to think that
they know what they're dealing with.

TIA,
Susan Kleinmann
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You (Peter Tobias) wrote:
> Michael Shields wrote:
> > Package: netstd
> > Version: 2.05-1
> > 
> > Debian 1.1 is supposed to work with kernel 1.2.13.  But traceroute is broken.
> > 
> >     traceroute: IP_HDRINCL: Protocol not available
> 
> I can disable it, but that would also disable it for all Debian users
> that use 1.3 or 2.0 kernels (which support IP_HDRINCL).

Debian 1.1 is *not* guaranteed to work with 1.2.13. This was decided
during development of Debian 1.1 as not to cripple new features.

It really is a shame both kernels are not totally compatible, but
most people will use 2.0....

Mike.
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Package: (bootdisk)
Version: 1996_6_16

APM support is enabled in the 2.0 kernel on this bootdisk.  Some
"green" motherboards have problems with this, resulting in kernel
oops every time during kernel startup (before mounting the root
filesystem).  Turning off power management in BIOS setup doesn't
change anything - the buggy APM BIOS is still there.

The machine has a 486DX2-66 "green" motherboard with Phoenix BIOS
(more details on request).  Another machine (with Award BIOS) works
fine.  The 1.2.13 kernel from 0.93R6 boots fine (because it has no
APM support).  The EIP value from the oops looks rather strange
(2045:[<0000d9c5>]), but call trace suggests a problem with APM.

The startup messages (may be inaccurate - they had to be written
down manually):

APM BIOS version 1.0  Flags 0x0b  (Driver version 1.2)
Entry f000:dbdf  cseg16 f000  dseg 40
AC unknown, battery status unknown, battery life unknown
Ramdisk ...
hda: ST3660A, 520MB ...
hdb: WDC AC280M, 81MB ...
... other messages ...
FDC 0 is an 8272A.
Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address c00004ed
current->tss.cr3 = 00101000, %cr3 = 00101000
*pde = 00102067
*pte = 00000027
Oops: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 2045:[<0000d9c5>]
EFLAGS: 00010012
eax: 00000016 ebx:00173700 ecx:00000000 edx:00000000
esi: 0020b838 edi:00000016 ebp:00007e38 esp:00007e30
ds: 2050 es:0000 fs:0000 gs:0000 ss:0018
Process swapper (pid: 1, process nr: 1, stackpage=00007000)
Stack: [snipped, was too much to write down]
Call Trace:
001731fe - apm_get_event
00110018 - wake_up_interruptible
00173700 - do_apm_timer
00173579 - get_event
00173645 - check_events
00173700 - do_apm_timer
00173774 - do_apm_timer
00110834 - timer_bh
00115ec7 - do_bottom_half
0010a40b - handle_bottom_half

Aiee, killing interrupt handler

This problem makes it impossible to install the system on that
particular machine.  I'd suggest to disable APM support in the
default installation kernels - it's not very important to be
"green" during installation, users who need APM can recompile
the kernel later, and APM code causes some kernel bloat too
(RAM is cheap now, but anyway - has anyone tried if it's still
possible to install Debian on machines with only 4MB of RAM?).

Ideally, it should be possible to enable/disable APM support
using boot time parameters.  Currently the only way to disable
APM is to recompile the kernel, which may be difficult if you
don't have a working system first...

Marek

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Buddha Buck:
> Pine requires explicit permission for redistribution by for-profit 
> organisations, which means that Bruce can put it on his CD-ROMs, 
> Software in the Public Interest (Debian) can put it on their CD-ROMs, 
> but Yggdrisil or SSC (Linux Journal) can't.  That's too unfree to not 
> be in non-free.

We probably should ask the Pine developers on this one.  It could well
be free - quoted from /usr/doc/copyright/pine:

[...]  Re-distribution
by for-profit organizations requires permission from the University of
Washington.

The above permissions are hereby granted, provided that the Pine and Pico
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
copyright and trademark notices appear in all copies and that both the
above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting
documentation, and that the name of the University of Washington not be
used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the
software without specific, prior written permission.  [...]


So as long as the notices appear in all copies (they do - all copies
of the package contain /usr/doc/copyright/pine), and we don't use
the name of the University of Washington in advertising (similar
restrictions exist in BSD copyrights, probably no problem for us),
it should be OK for Debian to distribute Pine(tm).  Or am I missing
something?

> XV is shareware, and can't be bundled with "any product".  While XV is 
> fairly liberal with its copying policy, it is non-free.  I believe that 
> Bruce could bundle it on his CD, but I could be wrong.  XV also 
> contains code for LZW compression (to support GIF), and that is 
> potentially effected by patent restrictions.

I think we should ask the author for permission to distribute xv.
It's probably not hard to get one as both Red Hat and Slackware can
distribute xv.  It's shareware, but free for personal use, and it
comes with source.  As for LZW, I think only compression is patented
(decompression is not), so it should be OK to use xv to view GIF
images, even if you are in the US...

> Zip isn't allowed for commercial distribution (but bundling with 
> commercial software is OK, with restrictions), and it is unclear if 
> modification and subsequent redistribution is allowed.  As long as due 
> care was taken, it could be shipped on CD-ROM.

A few months ago I asked the authors of zip/unzip about this, and
received a reply that they have no problems with us distributing
their software as part of the Debian system.  Or do we need this in
writing? :-)

(Again, zip and unzip are part of Red Hat and Slackware.)

Thanks,

Marek

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Bruce Perens:
> Yes, I know. I'm thinking about how Debian should be differentiating itself
> from the commercial Linux distributions. One way would be for the system to

Debian is already differentiating itself from them - by its open
development by volunteers, availability of the current development
version (not only releases every few months), public bug tracking
system, and powerful packaging system.  I think this is fine as is,
there is no need to differentiate itself more than that.

> be _entirely_ free software, since they are all picking up commercial
> software on their CDs. I have previously been a champion of the non-free
> software in Debian, but I am re-thinking my position on it.

I can't speak for all Debian users, of course, but I think most of
them, like me, are probably interested more in a useful system and
less in political goals like having 100% (not 99%) free software.
Let's differentiate ourselves a little from the FSF too.  Don't get
me wrong, they make a lot of good free software which I use every
day and I recognize their work, but I think too much politics is
not good.  I call my system "Linux", not "Lignux" :-).

As long as most software is free, I don't mind a few shareware
programs (distributed with permission from the authors, of course)
included in the distribution.  If I don't use them, I don't have to
pay for them, and some of them are free for personal use (which is
probably the case for most Debian users anyway).

Thanks,

Marek

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Package: libgdbm1
Version: 1.7.3-11

Hi, 
	I believe that the shared library exported by this package
(libgdbm.so.1.7.3) is basically the same thing that other linux
distributions (slackware and redhat in particular) choose to ship as
libgdm.so.2.0.0 ... Perhaps Debian too should do this? In the current
state, dynamically linked programs compiled under other distributions
look for a libgdbm.so.2 under debian and fail because they can't find
it. 

Thanks, 

-Arup

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Package: kbd
Version: 0.91-2

The configuration script for `kbd' is broken; on my system a value for
$consdev was never assigned, so `kbdconfig' wrote:

  CONSOLE=

to /etc/kbd/config. The result is that at boot time:

  ln -sf $CONSOLE /dev/console

creates a symlink /console -> /dev/console.

-- 
Robert Leslie
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Package: dpkg
Version: 1.2.6elf

  I think this is a dpkg, but there may be a problem with sysklogd as
well.  On updating my system, the sysklogd postinst script failed
because /etc/init.d/sysklogd didn't exist.  Why doesn't dpkg extract
the script from the package?  Presumably because it's a conffile and
it's upgrading the package.  I don't know what version of sys(k)logd I
had installed before, but it was in the unstable distribution, and was
working (and so presumably had /etc/init.d/sys(k)logd).  Here's a
typescript of and attempt to reinstall sysklogd.

Script started on Wed Jun 19 13:53:07 1996
userm:/root# dpkg -i /debian/debian/buzz/binary-i386/base/sysklogd-1.3-6.deb 
(Reading database ... 3480 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace sysklogd (using .../base/sysklogd-1.3-6.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement sysklogd ...
Setting up sysklogd ...
update-rc.d: warning /etc/init.d/sysklogd doesn't exist during rc.d setup.
Version 1.3 of the package is the culmination of about two years of
experience and bug reports on the 1.2 version from both the INTERNET
and our corporate Linux networks.

The default behaviour of syslogd has altered from 1.2 to 1.3. By default
*no* messages from the UDP port are accepted.

Read the documentation in /usr/doc/base/sysklogd carefully. Some important
things have been changed!
/var/lib/dpkg/info/sysklogd.postinst: /etc/init.d/sysklogd: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing sysklogd (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 sysklogd
userm:/root# cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysklogd.conffiles
/etc/syslog.conf
/etc/init.d/sysklogd
/etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd
userm:/root# ls /etc/init.d/sysklogd
ls: /etc/init.d/sysklogd: No such file or directory
userm:/root# dpkg -l dpkg sysklogd
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
ii  dpkg            1.2.6elf       Package maintenance system for Debian Linux
ii  sysklogd        1.3-6          Kernel and system logging daemons.
userm:/root# exit
exit
Script done on Wed Jun 19 13:55:59 1996

Neil.
+--------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
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package: mflib
Version: 1.0-5
Maintainer: Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-net.de>

possibly also:
Package: xdvik
Version: 18f-5

The remaining possibly related items are:
ii  dvipsk          5.58f-5        TeX DVI-driver for Postscript
ii  ps2pk           1.4-4          Create pk fonts from type1 fonts
ii  psnfss          5.2-1          Support for Postscript fonts with LaTeX
ii  texpsfnt        1.0-1          Virtual fonts and TFM's to use Postscript fo
ii  latex           2e-4           Write structured documents with TeX
ii  latex2e-doc     1.6-0          LaTeX2e documentation in info format
ii  latex2rtf       1.1-3          LaTeX text to RTF format translator.
ii  texbin          3.1415-5       TeX - The typesetting system
ii  texlib          1.0-4          Auxiliary Files to run TeX
ii  mfbasfnt        1.0-3          TeX's default fonts.
ii  mfbin           2.71-4         Metafont - TeX's font engine
ii  mflib           1.0-5          Auxiliary files to run Metafont
ii  mfnfss          2.1g-1         Use additional Metafont fonts with LaTeX

xdvi runs 
	MakeTeXPK ptmb8r 432 300 'magstep(2.0)' deskjet
which ends up running
	ps2pk -X432 -e8r.enc   -a  ptmb8r.432pk

which gives a usage message and fails, because -a should be followed
by an AFMname. Dropping the -a causes ps2pk to complain that the name
couldn't be found.

The first iteration of errors from xdvi looks like this:
% xdvi autopaper
kpathsea: Running MakeTeXPK ptmb8r 432 300 magstep\(2.0\) deskjet
Running MakeTeXPK ptmb8r 432 300 magstep(2.0) deskjet
mv: ptmb8r.432pk: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/MakeTeXPK: Could not mv ptmb8r.432pk /var/spool/texmf/fonts/pk/ps2pk/pktmp.6552.
mv: pktmp.6552: No such file or directory
chmod: ptmb8r.432pk: No such file or directory
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
xdvi: Can't find font ptmb8r; using cmr10 instead at 432 dpi.

A full run of the document produces:
% cat missfont.log 
MakeTeXPK ptmb8r 432 300 magstep\(2.0\) deskjet
MakeTeXPK ptmr8r 360 300 magstep\(1.0\) deskjet
MakeTeXPK ptmri8r 360 300 magstep\(1.0\) deskjet
MakeTeXPK pcrr8r 270 300 0+270/300 deskjet
MakeTeXPK ptmb8r 360 300 magstep\(1.0\) deskjet
MakeTeXPK ptmr8r 300 300 1+0/300 deskjet
MakeTeXPK pcrr8r 300 300 1+0/300 deskjet

The style in question is the usenix-2e style, most of which is:
\if@twocolumn\else\input twocolumn.sty\fi
\usepackage{times}

plus some hacking for section and paper titles; I'll append that in
case it might help.
					_Mark_ <eichin@cygnus.com>
					Cygnus Support, Eastern USA

% usenix-2e.sty - to be used with latex2e (the new one) for USENIX.
% To use this style file, do this:
%
%    \documentclass[twocolumn]{article}
%    \usepackage{usenix-2e}
% and put {\rm ....} around the author names.
%
% $Id: usenix-2e.sty,v 1.1 1996/05/29 18:56:03 jtk Exp $
%
% The following definitions are modifications of standard article.sty
% definitions, arranged to do a better job of matching the USENIX
% guidelines.
% It will automatically select two-column mode and the Times-Roman
% font.

%
% USENIX papers are two-column.
% Times-Roman font is nice if you can get it (requires NFSS,
% which is in latex2e.

\if@twocolumn\else\input twocolumn.sty\fi
\usepackage{times}

%
% USENIX wants margins of: 7/8" side, 1" bottom, and 3/4" top.
% 0.25" gutter between columns.
% Gives active areas of 6.75" x 9.25"
%
\setlength{\textheight}{9.25in}
\setlength{\columnsep}{0.25in}
\setlength{\textwidth}{6.75in}
%\setlength{\footheight}{0.0in}
\setlength{\topmargin}{-0.25in}
\setlength{\headheight}{0.0in}
\setlength{\headsep}{0.0in}
\setlength{\evensidemargin}{-0.125in}
\setlength{\oddsidemargin}{-0.125in}

%
% Usenix wants no page numbers for submitted papers, so that they can
% number them themselves.
%
\pagestyle{empty}

%
% Usenix titles are in 14-point bold type, with no date, and with no
% change in the empty page headers.  The whol author section is 12 point
% italic--- you must use {\rm } around the actual author names to get
% them in roman.
%
\def\maketitle{\par
 \begingroup
   \renewcommand\thefootnote{\fnsymbol{footnote}}%
   \def\@makefnmark{\hbox to\z@{$\m@th^{\@thefnmark}$\hss}}%
    \long\def\@makefntext##1{\parindent 1em\noindent
            \hbox to1.8em{\hss$\m@th^{\@thefnmark}$}##1}%
   \if@twocolumn
     \twocolumn[\@maketitle]%
     \else \newpage
     \global\@topnum\z@
     \@maketitle \fi\@thanks
 \endgroup
 \setcounter{footnote}{0}%
 \let\maketitle\relax
 \let\@maketitle\relax
 \gdef\@thanks{}\gdef\@author{}\gdef\@title{}\let\thanks\relax}

\def\@maketitle{\newpage
 \vbox to 2.5in{
 \vspace*{\fill}
 \vskip 2em
 \begin{center}%
  {\Large\bf \@title \par}%
  \vskip 0.375in minus 0.300in
  {\large\it
   \lineskip .5em
   \begin{tabular}[t]{c}\@author
   \end{tabular}\par}%
 \end{center}%
 \par
 \vspace*{\fill}
% \vskip 1.5em
 }
}

%
% The abstract is preceded by a 12-pt bold centered heading
\def\abstract{\begin{center}%
{\large\bf \abstractname\vspace{-.5em}\vspace{\z@}}%
\end{center}}
\def\endabstract{}

%
% Main section titles are 12-pt bold.  Others can be same or smaller.
%
\def\section{\@startsection {section}{1}{\z@}{-3.5ex plus-1ex minus
    -.2ex}{2.3ex plus.2ex}{\reset@font\large\bf}}

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> I also think that's important.  The source packages should be very
> simple, and the source unpacker/packer should be written in a scripting
> language.
tar xzf source-version.tar.gz
mv source.version source.version.orig
tar xzf source-version.tar.gz
cd source.version
zcat ../diff-version-revision.diff.gz | patch

the above lines aren't very difficult but we need to continue with
a few checks IMHO:

"dpkg --status various packages needed for building this package should be
installed ok"

> >From what I've gathered, the rpm format for sources is basically lines
> of text giving control information, followed by a cpio of all the
> gzipped tars.  The control field gives commands to do things like
> unpack, build, etc.

> Because we already mandate commands for debian.rules, such complexity
> is not needed.  This program (dsource?) would know that it just needs
> to run "debian.rules build" to build, "debian.rules dist" for a
> distribution, etc.  The only information in the control field is how to
> unpack.
Not only how to unpack, but also a possibility to download the original
sources (so an URL to the original sources at the original site should be
provided). 

The copyright field which comes with rpm might be usefull too, in the 
debian source handling approach. We might construct a automatic
/usr/doc/copyright/package file by using this copyright field, the
maintainer information, the url to the original sources, the organization
where the package comes from, the package name the revision name, the
changes made for this revision from debian.Changelog and the contents of
debian.README (which would contain other info than it does right now, only
the copyright info from the original sources).

All this can be translated into some machine created sentences like:

---/usr/doc/copyright/package
This is the Debian Linux prepackaged version of the <organization> <package>
distribution.  This package <package>-<version>-<revision> was put together
by <maintainer>, from the <organization> sources, which were obtained from
<source-url>. The changes for revision <revision> are listed below:

<revision changes>

The debian specific changes are copyrighted by <maintainer> and put under
the <gpl>  (see /usr/doc/copyright/GPL).

The original sources from <organization/author> are put under the
<copyright> license.

contents debian.README
---/usr/doc/copyright/package

Additionally we need the possibility to use more than one source (tar.gz)
file. Example is web2c and kpathsea and those big things. So we need more
than one source field and related debian diff field which specify the
patches to be applied at the original sources.


"Unix: 30 definitions of regular expressions living under one roof"
                                                                D.E. Knuth
Erick Branderhorst  http://www.iaehv.nl/users/branderh/

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> 'J.H.M.Dassen wrote:'
> >Bruce wrote:
> >> Also, we should think about source packaging again. We are welcome to take
> >> anything we want from RPM source packaging, if that would help.
> >
> >RPM has the advantage that it include _pristine_ source (identical
> >(cmp or md5sum-wise) to the upstream sources, which are patched during
> >the build process. IMO this is what we should work towards to.
> 
> These are a venerable goals.  But I like that the Debian source packages
> can be untarred by anyone without dpkg and/or rpm installed.

Yes, this is very useful (and would even be more so if the source is 
pristine).

> And if we
> were to force use of dpkg for installing the source code, I'd like more
> freedom over which directory/partition the source ends up in than rpm
> allows.

Of course. 

> Anyway those are the two advantages of Debian's current source
> packaging that I hope we don't abandon.

There has been some discussion earlier on about pristine source, and 
how to debianize it;
you may want to check out the following:
- "1.0 issues: Packaging (esp. source)" thread in October 1995:
   Start: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9510/msg00460.html
- "Debian for Linux/{non-i386} / source packaging" thread in September 1995:
   Start: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9509/msg00159.html

Greetings,
Ray
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Hi -

I just volunteered to maintain a package for the jed editor.

Last night I read all the documents in the doc/package-developer directory
and when I was finished I realised that I still did not know how to
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Is there some sort of step-by-step guide on how to do this?
I can compile jed on my system with no problems, but creating the .deb
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Help, please...

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On 19 Jun 1996 rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:

> I'm working on a package that makes extensive use of getpgrp(pid), but
> the getpgrp() that comes in libc5 doesn't take an argument (which is
> not fun if you're managing a number of process groups from a number
> of distinct sessions).

The fifth item in /proc/pid/stat is the pgrp.  You could easily write a
getpgrp() which makes use of that.  See fs/proc/array.c getstat() for
more details.


Guy


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Hi Susan,

you're keeping me quite busy today :-)

> I just found the Debian search system on http://www.debian.org/ghindex.html.
> This seems to me like a big step forward, and am sorry I didn't see it 
> before.  Just yesterday I remarked to someone (for whom I had answered a 
> user-question by specifying the appropriate HOWTO) that the HOWTO's 
> desperately needed a search interface.
> 
> Questions and comments:
> 1.  In the line "Files in this directory", what does the 
>     word 'this' refer to?

The root directory of the web pages directory structure.

> 2.  Would it be possible (i.e., would the motivation/pain ratio exceed 1)
>     to add the HOWTO's to the list of indexed files,

Hmmm... I'm extracting /usr/info already... I'll put it on the todo list.

>     and then automate the
>     rebuild of the glimpse index as new packages appear for doc-linux?

The glimpse index is rebuilt daily.

> 3.  Going further, would it possible (same as above) to simply add all 
>     of /usr/doc and all of /usr/info to the list of indexed files?  

Hmm... doable... Also http://www.debian.org/cgi-bin/info2www 
will hopefully work again someday soon.

>     If so, 
>     the text above the search engine form could be greatly streamlined.
> 
> 4.  Comment:  it would be nice to put the selectable directories in a
>     <SELECT><OPTION> ....</SELECT> grouping, where the default was ALL.

It's autogenerated; I don't want to mess with it right now.

Greetings,
Ray
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could you give me more information on this? (I'm the current libgdbm
maintainer.) Calling it libgdbm.so.2.0 would really seem like a
mistake, since after all, libgdbm itself is only at 1.7.3... but I can
probably put in a compatibility link if there's enough evidence for it
(namely, programs which need it that aren't debian packages - since
those can all be fixed ;-)

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Wouldn't it be easier to do something like I did with BIND -- detect
the "protocol not available" (ENOPROTOOPT?) and don't use the feature,
instead of calling it an error... 

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:

> Can someone specify for me a document (either within /usr/doc or on 
> the WWW somewhere) that says exactly what the internals of a .deb file 
> look like?

deb(5) documents version 0.93.  You'll have to ask Ian to fix the
update page for version 2.0.


Guy

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I'm working on a package that makes extensive use of getpgrp(pid), but
the getpgrp() that comes in libc5 doesn't take an argument (which is
not fun if you're managing a number of process groups from a number
of distinct sessions).

Unfortunately, I can't get libc5's source right now because ftp.debian.org
is unavailable, and debian.crosslink.net doesn't mirror the source.

Harumph... I don't know the right way here, and I'm impatient.  I suppose
the right thing to do is file a bug report against libc5, but I was hoping
to go further than that.  [This is a case where there are so many standards
I doubt this is really a "bug".]

Anyone have any ideas?

-- 
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The textutils package in the Incoming dir on master for the m68k
architecture is 1.1 meg big, much bigger than the ?? k under i386.
Is this normal or did something went wrong during building, I 
would like to know because I'm maintaining the thing right now.
Can't download it myself, because I'm using a paid line of 14k4,
so that would take at least 10 minutes to download the thing. Can
someone tell me what happened with this (dpkg --contents text*)

"Unix: 30 definitions of regular expressions living under one roof"
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Date: 19 Jun 96 12:28 UT
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Distribution: unstable
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Source: shadow
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Changes: New upstream version
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rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu writes:
> I'm working on a package that makes extensive use of getpgrp(pid), but
> the getpgrp() that comes in libc5 doesn't take an argument (which is
> not fun if you're managing a number of process groups from a number
> of distinct sessions).

The manpage indicates that getpgid is what you want.

> Unfortunately, I can't get libc5's source right now because ftp.debian.org
> is unavailable, and debian.crosslink.net doesn't mirror the source.

Not mirroring the source makes it awfully easy for them to violate the
GPL.

David
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This is an old issue for which we have not made a decision and written
down as policy.  I motion that all serial port modem traffic to be
used on /dev/ttyS*.  We need the consistency in the serial post lock
names. 

Thanks,
  Costa

   Subject: Re: 1.2 modem devices
   To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
   Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:06:00 +0200 (MET DST)
   From: "Peter Tobias" <tobias@server.et-inf.fho-emden.de>
   Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
   
   Bill Mitchell wrote:
   > On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Peter Tobias wrote:
   > 
   > >IMHO we should change our comm packages for Debian 1.2 to use
   > >/dev/ttyS* instead of /dev/cua*:
   > 
   > I'm hardly expert in standard practices in this area, but I'm
   > under the impression that the cua* devices are for dial-out.
   > 
   > This may not be definitive, but I note the following in
   > /usr/source/linux/Documentation/devices.txt:
   
   The reasons why this should be changed were part of the mail
   from Theodore Ts'o. The cua devices use a kernel based locking
   mechanism which can't be used in all situations. For example I
   have to use the ttyS* devices for mgetty/dip/minicom (dip and
   minicom won't work with the cua* devices). But that is much
   better explained in the mail from Theodore Ts'o.
   
   
   Thanks,
   
   Peter
   
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Package: libc5-dev
Version: 5.2.18-6

# cat test.c
#include <bsd/signal.h>
main() {}
# make test
cc     test.c   -o test
In file included from test.c:1:
/usr/include/bsd/signal.h:7: No include path in which to find signal.h
make: *** [test] Error 1

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Chris Fearnley wrote:

> But I like that the Debian source packages
> can be untarred by anyone without dpkg and/or rpm installed.

I also think that's important.  The source packages should be very
simple, and the source unpacker/packer should be written in a scripting
language.

>From what I've gathered, the rpm format for sources is basically lines
of text giving control information, followed by a cpio of all the
gzipped tars.  The control field gives commands to do things like
unpack, build, etc.

Because we already mandate commands for debian.rules, such complexity
is not needed.  This program (dsource?) would know that it just needs
to run "debian.rules build" to build, "debian.rules dist" for a
distribution, etc.  The only information in the control field is how to
unpack.


Guy

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 wbart3@ktb.net wrote:

> Last night I read all the documents in the doc/package-developer directory
> and when I was finished I realised that I still did not know how to
> create the .deb package.

Get the hello package, and emulate it.


Guy

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 branderh@debian.IAEhv.nl wrote:
> Can
> someone tell me what happened with this (dpkg --contents text*)

The binaries are all enormous, about 10x what they are on my i386.
Maybe it wasn't stripped?  Also, the foreign language support at the
end?

drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 ./
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-rwxr-xr-x root/root     78232 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/comm
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-rwxr-xr-x root/root     82428 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/fmt
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     79708 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/fold
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-rwxr-xr-x root/root     85212 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/join
-rwxr-xr-x root/root    116104 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/nl
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     93684 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/od
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     79556 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/paste
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     93828 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/pr
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-rwxr-xr-x root/root     81444 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/split
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     77740 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/sum
-rwxr-xr-x root/root    113480 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/tac
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     86560 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/tail
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     88540 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/tr
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     79032 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/unexpand
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-rwxr-xr-x root/root     77756 Jun 16 14:23 1996 usr/bin/wc
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-rw-r--r-- root/root      8651 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/info/textutils.info-3.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      1556 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/info/textutils.info.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root     12877 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/info/textutils.info-1.gz
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-rw-r--r-- root/root       951 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/uniq.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       894 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/cut.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      1579 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/nl.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      2168 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/od.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       694 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/sum.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      3379 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/tr.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       574 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/tac.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       782 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/expand.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       744 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/fold.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       561 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/paste.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      1426 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/pr.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      1173 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/tail.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       836 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/unexpand.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       680 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/wc.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       696 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/cat.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       622 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/cksum.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       513 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/comm.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      1975 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/csplit.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       755 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/head.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      1139 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/join.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root      2972 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/sort.1.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root       896 Jun 16 14:24 1996 usr/man/man1/split.1.gz
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/de/
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/
-rw-r--r-- root/root     64682 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/textutils.mo
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/fr/
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/
-rw-r--r-- root/root     67962 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/textutils.mo
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/ko/
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/
-rw-r--r-- root/root     19892 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/textutils.mo
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/nl/
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/
-rw-r--r-- root/root     63989 Jun 16 14:25 1996 usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/textutils.mo
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 Jun 16 14:25 1996 bin/
-rwxr-xr-x root/root     79720 Jun 16 14:23 1996 bin/cat

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Is Joe Kirby still with us? I noticed that taper is r6.2. In the
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Or - is anybody else willing to do the job? 

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:
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> 
> So, is it "Deee'-bian" (long e) or "Deb'-ian" (short e), or something else?

rumours say its Deb-Ian, from Ian Murdock and his wife Deb. ;-)

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Mark Eichin writes:
 > could you give me more information on this? (I'm the current libgdbm
 > maintainer.) Calling it libgdbm.so.2.0 would really seem like a
 > mistake, since after all, libgdbm itself is only at 1.7.3... but I can

Well, it appears that the shared lib version number of libgdbm was
bumped to 2.0 at some point in the development of libc 5.2 ... see

   http://imageek.york.cuny.edu/pub/sunsite/HJL/release.libc-5.2.3
and 
   http://sunsite.kth.se/Linux/GCC/ChangeLog

I can't pretend to understand the reasoning behind this, but both
slackware and redhat appear to have gone along with it. If debian
doesn't have it, it's effectively going to lose binary compatibility
for programs using gdbm that were compiled on slackware or redhat. 

I guess the affected binaries fall into two groups: 

	(1) precompiled binary distributions of software. An altavista
search suggests that some releases of sendmail, NCSA httpd, and
kerberos at least are dynamically linked against a libgdbm.so.2.0

	(2) stuff compiled by endusers before they moved to debian. 

I hit category #2 (quite hard, since in my case it was a kerberized
/bin/login that wouldn't work!). The problem is worsened by the fact
that most people are not likely to realize that the missing 2.0.0 is
in fact the 1.7.3 lib they already have; I certainly didn't. 

So: I guess I'm suggesting an extra symlink just to maintain
compatibility with the other major linux distributions. Perhaps it
would be worth contacting H. J. Lu to find out the rationale for the
version number change. (He's the author of the info in both of the
URLs above.) I guess libgdbm was separated from the libc distribution
sometime after this version # change, but it would appear that most
people haven't dropped the version # back down after the split.

Thanks, 

-Arup

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Package: gzip
Version: 1.2.4-10

bash$ type zgrep
zgrep is /usr/bin/zgrep
bash$ type zegrep
type: zegrep: not found
bash$ grep grep= /usr/bin/zgrep
        *egrep) grep=${EGREP-egrep}     ;;
        *fgrep) grep=${FGREP-fgrep}     ;;
        *)      grep=${GREP-grep}       ;;
             grep=egrep
bash$ 

I think it's reasonable to provide lines for zegrep and zfgrep.  No?

-- 
Raul

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[Dan, this is about the correct .so-name for libgdbm; your list has 
 liggdbm.so.1.7.3, whereas the libc5.2 docs, Slackware, Red Hat have 
 libgdbm.so.2.0]

> 	if this is truly a bug, can you explain the two URLs I
> mentioned in the message below? (Already sent to debian-bugs, hence
> not CC'ed again here...) I believe that the libgdbm version number got
> bumped 'cos the libc 5.2 folks bumped it. I'm mostly worried that
> debian's "fixing" of this is going to be an annoying source of binary
> incompatibility for some people....

OK. It looks like this is a synchronization problem with the shared lib
list. If H.J. has bumped the version number, we should definitively 
go along with it.

Greetings,
Ray

> > Mark Eichin writes:
> > > could you give me more information on this? (I'm the current libgdbm
> > > maintainer.) Calling it libgdbm.so.2.0 would really seem like a
> > > mistake, since after all, libgdbm itself is only at 1.7.3... but I can
> > 
> > Well, it appears that the shared lib version number of libgdbm was
> > bumped to 2.0 at some point in the development of libc 5.2 ... see
> > 
> > http://imageek.york.cuny.edu/pub/sunsite/HJL/release.libc-5.2.3
> > and 
> > http://sunsite.kth.se/Linux/GCC/ChangeLog
> > 
> > I can't pretend to understand the reasoning behind this, but both
> > slackware and redhat appear to have gone along with it. If debian
> > doesn't have it, it's effectively going to lose binary compatibility
> > for programs using gdbm that were compiled on slackware or redhat. 
> > 
> > I guess the affected binaries fall into two groups: 
> > 
> > (1) precompiled binary distributions of software. An altavista
> > search suggests that some releases of sendmail, NCSA httpd, and
> > kerberos at least are dynamically linked against a libgdbm.so.2.0
> > 
> > (2) stuff compiled by endusers before they moved to debian. 
> > 
> > I hit category #2 (quite hard, since in my case it was a kerberized
> > /bin/login that wouldn't work!). The problem is worsened by the fact
> > that most people are not likely to realize that the missing 2.0.0 is
> > in fact the 1.7.3 lib they already have; I certainly didn't. 
> > 
> > So: I guess I'm suggesting an extra symlink just to maintain
> > compatibility with the other major linux distributions. Perhaps it
> > would be worth contacting H. J. Lu to find out the rationale for the
> > version number change. (He's the author of the info in both of the
> > URLs above.) I guess libgdbm was separated from the libc distribution
> > sometime after this version # change, but it would appear that most
> > people haven't dropped the version # back down after the split.
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > -Arup
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'J.H.M.Dassen wrote:'
>
>Bruce wrote:
>> Also, we should think about source packaging again. We are welcome to take
>> anything we want from RPM source packaging, if that would help.
>
>RPM has the advantage that it include _pristine_ source (identical
>(cmp or md5sum-wise) to the upstream sources, which are patched during
>the build process. IMO this is what we should work towards to.

These are a venerable goals.  But I like that the Debian source packages
can be untarred by anyone without dpkg and/or rpm installed.  And if we
were to force use of dpkg for installing the source code, I'd like more
freedom over which directory/partition the source ends up in than rpm
allows.  Anyway those are the two advantages of Debian's current source
packaging that I hope we don't abandon.

-- 
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I just found the Debian search system on http://www.debian.org/ghindex.html.
This seems to me like a big step forward, and am sorry I didn't see it 
before.  Just yesterday I remarked to someone (for whom I had answered a 
user-question by specifying the appropriate HOWTO) that the HOWTO's 
desperately needed a search interface.

Questions and comments:
1.  In the line "Files in this directory", what does the 
    word 'this' refer to?

2.  Would it be possible (i.e., would the motivation/pain ratio exceed 1)
    to add the HOWTO's to the list of indexed files, and then automate the
    rebuild of the glimpse index as new packages appear for doc-linux?

3.  Going further, would it possible (same as above) to simply add all 
    of /usr/doc and all of /usr/info to the list of indexed files?  If so, 
    the text above the search engine form could be greatly streamlined.

4.  Comment:  it would be nice to put the selectable directories in a
    <SELECT><OPTION> ....</SELECT> grouping, where the default was ALL.

I would have been happy to send this directly to the author of the 
ghindex.html, but I don't know who that is.  It might be useful to add
a mailto: at the bottom of the page.

Cheers,
Susan Kleinmann
sgk@tiac.net

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> >>>>> Michael Shields writes: 
>  
> > Package: netstd Version: 2.05-1 
>  
> > Debian 1.1 is supposed to work with kernel 1.2.13.  But traceroute 
> > is broken. 
>  
> Who said that? We are running 2.0.x as _STABLE_ kernel release ... 

Bruce Perens said a few days ago that you could probably upgrade to 1.1
without 2.0.  It's not so much work -- yesterday I upgraded
daedalus.crosslink.net to 1.1 while keeping my 1.2 kernel, and as far as
I can tell only traceroute broke.  I've already sent in patches for that
that preserve the new functionality while remaining
backwards-compatible.
-- 
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>>>>> Michael Shields writes:

> Package: netstd Version: 2.05-1

> Debian 1.1 is supposed to work with kernel 1.2.13.  But traceroute
> is broken.

Who said that? We are running 2.0.x as _STABLE_ kernel release ...

Dominik

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> Unfortunately, I can't get libc5's source right now because ftp.debian.org 
> is unavailable, and debian.crosslink.net doesn't mirror the source. 

This wasn't intentional -- I was mirroring sun10.sep.bnl.gov, which
stopped carrying source due to lack of space.  I'm moving over to taking
it from master directly, and then will carry the full archive (i.e.,
everything except WebPages and Incoming).
-- 
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> Wouldn't it be easier to do something like I did with BIND -- detect 
> the "protocol not available" (ENOPROTOOPT?) and don't use the feature, 
> instead of calling it an error...  

That was my thought.  These patches should do it.

--- traceroute-4.4BSD/traceroute.c	Sun Jan 28 22:47:27 1996
+++ traceroute.c	Wed Jun 19 06:36:15 1996
@@ -310,6 +310,9 @@
 	struct protoent *pe;
 	struct sockaddr_in from, *to;
 	int ch, i, on, probe, seq, tos, ttl;
+#ifdef IP_HDRINCL
+	int hdrincl_works = 1;
+#endif
 
 	on = 1;
 	seq = tos = 0;
@@ -454,8 +457,12 @@
 #ifdef IP_HDRINCL
 	if (setsockopt(sndsock, IPPROTO_IP, IP_HDRINCL, (char *)&on,
 		       sizeof(on)) < 0) {
-		perror("traceroute: IP_HDRINCL");
-		exit(6);
+		if (errno == ENOPROTOOPT) {
+			hdrincl_works = 0;
+		} else {
+			perror("traceroute: IP_HDRINCL");
+			exit(6);
+		}
 	}
 #endif IP_HDRINCL
 	if (options & SO_DEBUG)
@@ -475,7 +482,7 @@
 		}
 		outpacket->ip.ip_src = from.sin_addr;
 #ifndef IP_HDRINCL
-		if (bind(sndsock, (struct sockaddr *)&from, sizeof(from)) < 0) {
+		if (hdrincl_works && bind(sndsock, (struct sockaddr *)&from, sizeof(from)) < 0) {
 			perror ("traceroute: bind:");
 			exit (1);
 		}
-- 
Shields, CrossLink.

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Package: cern-httpd
Version: 3.0-6

The cern-httpd postinst tries to start the daemon, like this:

 start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --exec /usr/sbin/cern-httpd

If the server is configured to run out of inetd, as I have it, this
(probably) runs cern-httpd and hangs.  If you type an HTTP request
into it it works and marks the package configured, as desired.

My lightly edited cern-httpd.conf is below.

Ian.

# This file was automatically generated by the postinstallation script.
#
#
#	Sample configuration file for cern_httpd for running it
#	as a normal HTTP server.
#
# See:
#	<http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Daemon/User/Config/Overview.html>
#
# for more information.
#
# Written by:
#	Ari Luotonen  April 1994  <luotonen@dxcern.cern.ch>
#
# Minimally Hacked for Debian GNU/Linux by:
#	Ted Hajek    Aprli 1995    <tedhajek@boombox.micro.umn.edu>

#
#	Set this to point to the directory where you unpacked this
#	distribution, or wherever you want httpd to have its "home"
#
ServerRoot	/usr/lib/cern-httpd

#
#	The default port for HTTP is 80; if you are not root you have
#	to use a port above 1024; good defaults are 8000, 8001, 8080
#
# Port	80

#
#	General setup; on some systems, like HP, nobody is defined so
#	that setuid() fails; in those cases use a different user id.
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UserId	nobody
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> Package: libgdbm1
> Version: 1.7.3-11
> 
> Hi, 
> 	I believe that the shared library exported by this package
> (libgdbm.so.1.7.3) is basically the same thing that other linux
> distributions (slackware and redhat in particular) choose to ship as
> libgdm.so.2.0.0 ... Perhaps Debian too should do this? In the current
> state, dynamically linked programs compiled under other distributions
> look for a libgdbm.so.2 under debian and fail because they can't find
> it. 

That is a bug in their distributions.
At http://users.ox.ac.uk/~jo95004/liblist.html Daniel Barlow 
(maintainer of GCC-HOWTO and such) maintains the List of Libraries,
which is intended to get .so names consistent accross distributions.

It's entry for gdbm is:
gdbm 

    Description: The GNU dbm library 
    Author/Maintainer: 
    Keeper of the soname: Christopher Wiles <wileyc@moscow.com> 
    Source from: ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu 
    Binaries from: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/libs 
    Filename: libgdbm.so.1.7.3 soname: libgdbm.so.1 
    Building as a shared library: This patch, also included in the binary 
      distribution. 
    Notes: 
    More information: 

Greetings,
Ray
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Juergen Menden:
> rumours say its Deb-Ian, from Ian Murdock and his wife Deb. ;-)

Is Ian pronounced "ee-an" or "eye-an"?  My dictionary lists both
ways...  What does Ian M prefer?


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anonymous@tad.micro.umn.edu wrote:
> Package: libc5-dev
> Version: 5.2.18-6
> 
> # cat test.c
> #include <bsd/signal.h>
> main() {}
> # make test
> cc     test.c   -o test
> In file included from test.c:1:
> /usr/include/bsd/signal.h:7: No include path in which to find signal.h
> make: *** [test] Error 1


If you want to use BSD signals you should use "#include <signal.h>"
and compile the program with "-I/usr/include/bsd".


Thanks,

Peter

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CD Rasmussen wrote:
> This is an old issue for which we have not made a decision and written
> down as policy.

The decision was to use cua* for minicom/dip etc.. (the decision
was made about 2 years ago).

> I motion that all serial port modem traffic to be
> used on /dev/ttyS*.  We need the consistency in the serial post lock
> names. 

There should be no problem if all programs use the ttyS* devices and
the /var/lock directory.


Thanks,

Peter

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You (Christian Hudon) wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> > You (Ian Jackson) wrote:
> > > 
> > > We need to give people the opportunity to override binaries using
> > > whatever practice they like.
> > 
> > But.. but.. come on! This is *ridiculous* ! The path set in the boot script
> > is only inherited by system daemons and such. All user logins go through
> > /bin/login that clears the environment *anyway* ! And after that you
> > can set the PATH to whatever you want in /etc/profile..
> 
> Errm... That all fine and true (well except for the fact that
> you'd have to modify more than /etc/profile to change the PATH for all
> types of shells) but I don't think that's what Ian meant.
> 
> >From what I understood, Ian was talking about overriding binaries during
> system boot. (Or did I misunderstand you, Ian?) So if you have the PATH
> set to /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin and
> you want the system to use your custom version of mount, you just have to
> put your 'mount' in /usr/local/sbin and it'll work.

Okay. I'll try to explain it one more time, I might not have been clear
enough and re-reading this thread I've also posted some mis-information
unintentionally.

The PATH set in /etc/init.d/boot is only used in that script; remember that
you cannot modify the parents environment. If you want to change the
behavour of this script by simply putting binaries in /usr/local/sbin that
override the default binaries that won't work. An example with a custom
mount was given; but how do use use /usr/local/sbin/mount when /usr isn't
mounted yet ;) You'll have to edit the script anyway.

So modifying the PATH in /etc/init.d/boot doesn't influence any other part of
the system. On the other hand; you might want to change the PATH in
the /etc/init/rc script, that's the one that executes all other scripts
in /etc/init.d/.... However that still doesn't influence programs that
are started directly by init, such as sulogin in single user mode.

The only solution seems to be to change the PATH hardcoded in the init binary
itself. This is ofcourse a bit hard to do. Therefor init has another solution;
you can let all programs executed by init go through a script called
/etc/initscript. See the manpage: initscript(8). This is turned off by default,
and for a good reason: it spawns an extra shell for everything executed
by init.

Now another thing; as I said before, I suspected that login(1) resets the
environment anyway. I checked the source and it does. You can let init
set any PATH you want; login will throw it away and install its own
PATH. That PATH is hardcoded in the binary. If you want to change that,
re-assign this bug to login.

Hope it's a bit clearer now,

Mike.
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Martin Schulze writes ("Re: Porting and the bug reporting system"):
...
> But as Michael said, the bugtracking system has a long backlock.  Your
> bugs won't reach the maintainer until Ian has repaired it.

The bug tracking system is now working fine, and answering mail almost
immediately.

The only thing still waiting to be resolved is that the WWW logs are
still rather out of date, but this will be fixed when www.debian.org
(= debian.microworld.net) catches up with mirroring master.  The logs
on www.cl.cam.ac.uk are stalled waiting for effort from the mail admin
here.

When all the mirrors are up to date you'll be able to find the WWW bug
logs in the WebPages subdirectory - they're already fine on master.
In the meantime you could try using
 <URL:ftp://master.debian.org/pub/Linux/debian/Bugs/index.html>
 <URL:ftp://master.debian.org/pub/Linux/debian/Bugs/db/index.html>
(FTP doesn't do quite the right thing with directories - it fails to
use index.html).

master's ftpd appears to be shut off at the moment.

>   No
> maintainer would read all your tons of bugreports that were sent to
> debian-devel, 

If the bug report has a correct Package line and the Maintainers file
on the FTP site has the right address in it the maintainer will get a
copy of the bug report sent to them directly.

These bugs should have been sent to maintonly@bugs.debian.org, to stop
them from flooding debian-devel, but otherwise reporting them as bugs
is OK.

They should have been submitted with appropriate Subject lines.

I'd be grateful if someone - the original submitter, perhaps - would
use the `retitle' command at control@bugs.debian.org to give them all
meaningful Subjects.

I do hope we don't have anyone around here who gets upset just because
someone files a bug against their package, provided that the bug
report isn't daft.  We should be encouraging feedback.

Ian.


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> A lot of packages are listed simply as:
> 
>   download ( bytes) 
>   
>   Version: Last modified: Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969 
>   Architecture: 
>   Maintainer: 
>   Description: 
> 
> Although the download link is correct.

This means that
A. My account on ftp.microworld.net aka www.debian.org has no read 
   permission on them or
B. for some reason (e.g. /tmp full) dpkg-deb couldn't process them.

Please inform me in person directly next time this happens.

> Maybe is would also be nice to sort the packages alphabeticly?
> The current order is somewhat confusing.

The current order is most recently first.

You know I'm busy with my MSc thesis. If you want to implement extensions
to /FTP, please contact me in person.

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Package: Debian distribution package admin

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, regarding Bug#3360, David Engel wrote:

>Yambo writes:
>> Package: dialog
>> Version: 0.9a-2
>
>Sigh!  I'm still listed as the maintainer for this package.  Would
>someone take it over, please?  I don't want it and didn't even make
>the last revison.

Regardless of whether or not the dialog package becomes orphan,
Debian needs a better mechanism for dealing with orphan packages.
Advertising a maintainer who has abandoned the package as the
current maintainer, and assigning bug reports to the last maintainer
of record isn't the right answer.

The best idea I've come up with is to have a psuedo-maintainer
(e.g., orphan_packages@debian.org), to rebuild orphaned packages
with that entry in the Maintainer field, and to either task
someone with fielding bug reports and email regarding these
packages or to have that handled by a mail filter.



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Subject: EXMH - anyone debianized it?  Also a copyright question.
From: amos@dsi.co.il (Amos Shapira)
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Hello,

I'm intending to learn to debianize a package by doing this to the
EXMH 1.6.7 distribution and have two question:

1. Is anyone allready working on this?

2. Here is the COPYRIGHT file from exmh-1.6.7, from reading the
"(guidelines)Package Copyright" node in info, my understanding is that
this package can go in the "non-commercial" category.  Am I right?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Copyright 1995 Sun Microsystems Laboratories All rights reserved.
Copyright 1995 Xerox Corporation All rights reserved.
License is granted to copy, to use, and to make and to use derivative works for
research and evaluation purposes, provided that the copyright notice and
this license notice is included in all copies and any derivatives works and in
all  related documentation.  Xerox and Sun grant no other licenses expressed or
implied and the licensee acknowleges that Xerox and Sun have no  liability for
licensee's use or for any derivative works  made by licensee. The Xerox and Sun
names shall not be used in any advertising or the like without their written
permission.
This software is provided AS IS.
XEROX CORPORATION AND SUN MICROSYSTEMS DISCLAIM AND LICENSEE
AGREES THAT ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION
THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION CONTAINED HEREIN, ANY LIABILITY FOR DAMAGES
RESULTING FROM THE SOFTWARE OR ITS USE IS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMED, INCLUDING
CONSEQUENTIAL OR ANY OTHER INDIRECT DAMAGES, WHETHER ARISING IN CONTRACT, TORT
(INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE) OR STRICT LIABILITY, EVEN IF XEROX CORPORATION OR
SUN MICROSYSTEMS IS ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks.

PS - please send me a direct copy of any reply, as I'm not sure I'm on
the debian-devel list yet.

--Amos

--Amos Shapira                    | "Of course Australia was marked for
133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
Jerusalem 93 805                  |  by the finest judges in England."
ISRAEL            amos@dsi.co.il  |                     -- Anonymous


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package: amd
Version: upl102-3

While upgrading to the latest debian version
my amd config file (/etc/init.d/amd) got overwritten. 
it is not listed as a config file and thus was disabled 
next time i booted.

Danny


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A copy of the revised version of the Debian FAQ has been placed on my
WWW server at:
   http://sgk.phast.umass.edu/FAQ/debian-faq.html

Other formats for this document are available by anonymous FTP at:
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These documents should be thoroughly reviewed by Debian developers before
they are publicized.  Please alter the authors of the faq of required
or recommended changes by sending mail directly to us.  (We have a mailing
list set up for the debian faq, but it hasn't been working this last
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After a week, I will forward the documents to Sven Rudolph for inclusion
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The following problem reports have not yet been marked as `taken up' by a
message to done@bugs.debian.org or or `forwarded' by a
message to forwarded@bugs.debian.org.

OVER 15 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  660 gdb        GDB gets address of structure  David Engel <david@ods.com>
  725 xbase      twm places windows incorrectly Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  740 xbase      xclock leaves `droppings' in i Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o

OVER 14 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  773 xbase      xmh falls over if mh is not in Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  775 xbase      twm reports errors on incorrec Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
  797 termcap-co /etc/termcap console keydefs f Christian Hudon <chrish@debian.
  818 bash       bash builtin `echo' doesn't ch daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
  820 tcsh       tcsh builtin `echo' doesn't ch Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
  821 shellutils /bin/echo doesn't check write  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
  825 trn        trn warning messages corrupt t jkr@master.debian.org (Jonathan
  836 termcap-co Possible bugs in termcap syste Christian Hudon <chrish@debian.

OVER 13 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  887 xarchie    xarchie barfs when ftp closes  Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.s
  889 info       Info 3.1-6                     Erick Branderhorst <branderhors
  902 lpr        lpr can't print a PostScript f dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
  911 libc4      libc causes rsh to fail on com (unknown -- `libc')

OVER 12 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
  957 dpkg       dpkg should automatically log  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
  988 bsdutils   `script' is insecure, and gene Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
  998 boot-flopp Can't Configure DOS Partitions Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1009 bash       bash problem with quoting/comp daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1016 procps     top has 3's in vt100           Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1032 boot-flopp Linux Counter Project Info Not Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1037 dpkg       dselect user interface (was Re Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1045 termcap-co tgetflag("hc") segfaults (fwd) Christian Hudon <chrish@debian.
 1061 lpr        /etc/printcap vs. /usr/man/man dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)

OVER 11 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1099 perl       perl bug                       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1108 binutils   No manpage ar(5)               David Engel <david@ods.com>
 1112 gsfonts    a2gs output unusable by gs but joost witteveen <joostje@master
 1118 fortune    fortune is setuid games ?!     dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1130 libc4      Stdlib.h problems when using g (unknown -- `libc')
 1164 shellutils who --help uses /etc/{w,u}tmp  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1170 perl       perl fails to make headers fir Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1176 procps     /usr/bin/top segfault with unk Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su

OVER 10 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1201 perl       perl doesn't know about includ Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1211 libc4      libc __nis_getgrnam() segfault (unknown -- `libc')
 1233 ifrench    Bad french.hash file in ifrenc (orphan)
 1239 findutils  /etc/cron.daily/find: updatedb Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>
 1240 procps     ps(1) man page incomplete      Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1246 procps     ps man page does not agree wit Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1247 perl       perl <...> globbing only works Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1265 uucp       Misc. uucp bugs                dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1275 xarchie    xarchie clumsy with 2-button m Christian Linhart <chris@cosy.s
 1278 libc4      dpkg seg faults with NIS       (unknown -- `libc')
 1279 libc4      Strangeness involving <bsd/sig (unknown -- `libc')
 1281 bin86      bin86                          (unknown -- `bin')
 1292 xserver-sv X locks up                     Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1303 binutils   `man 1 nm` slightly incomplete David Engel <david@ods.com>

OVER 9 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1314 ncurses3.0 ncurses fails in silly way on  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 1336 procps     CFLAGS shouldn't be used when  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1366 acm        acm networking problems        Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1372 boot-flopp rootdisk: no dvorak keytable   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 1378 libc4      weird ELF/a.out difference     (unknown -- `libc')
 1381 workbone   workbone postinst fails        dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1399 dpkg       dselect error handling not con Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1406 dbackup    backup postrm can fail when it dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 1411 perl       perlconfig misses an opportuni Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1429 bibtex, kp several TeX packages Provide t Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1451 ghostview  `ghostviewR6' conflict with gh Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.
 1467 ax25-kerne `ax25-kernel-source', `ax25-ut (unknown -- `ax')
 1468 glibcdoc   `glibcdoc' should use `info-br Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1480 dpkg       start-stop-daemon doesn't chec Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1481 smail      smail paniclog suggestion      Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1488 dld        dld control file dsccription p gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 1502 ltxtool lt Uniform lists in debian.contro Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1526 dpkg       man dpkg(5) dpkg(8) dselect    Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam

OVER 8 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1532 repair     no revision number with repair Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 1533 procps     `w' produces bogus login@, idl Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1549 bash       bash should not have world-rea daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1555 dpkg       dselect per-screen-half focus  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1560 shellutils `su' produces incomplete log e daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1616 shellutils 'who' can't find utmp          daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1621 xbase      Xmark has no manpage           Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1624 bash       thermal run away problem       daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1642 dpkg       dpkg recursive package listing Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1647 texbin     dpkg can present incorrect inf Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1653 texbin     Missing dvicopy(1) man page.   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1663 texbin     TeX comes without configuratio Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1664 texbin     TeX is lacking documentation o Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1670 dpkg       start-stop-daemon is too slow  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1672 ftp.debian non-free packages              Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1681 cron       Missing files                  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 1685 libc4      dpkg-split --msdos not correct (unknown -- `libc')
 1686 mfbin      psfonts.map can't be found     Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1690 xbase      XDM protection fault on X conf Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1691 xbase      X config allows invalid numeri Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1693 smail      forwarded message from Harald  Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1699 base       Install/Config quirks: Missing Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1702 bash       telnet+su root->thermal proces daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1703 xtron      xtron documentation            Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 1707 kernel     image 1.2.13-5 has no msdos.o  Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 1708 adduser? m `passwd' not interruptible whe Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 1711 adduser    adduser replaces NIS entries i Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 1713 procps     procps: manpage doesn't tell t Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1714 bash       bash is confused when breaking daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1717 gopherd    gopherd recommends freeWAIS -  Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1718 gopherd    gopherd version has spurious q Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1742 base       /dev/tty has wrong permissions Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1744 kernel     dpkg: cannot scan updates dire Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 1746 bash       rsh <system> sh -i produces CP daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1747 nas        nas: no manpages for au availa Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 1759 kernel     running out of swap causes dea Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 1767 cern-httpd cern-httpd installation        Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 1771 ltxtool    Legal problems with ltxtool    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1774 libc4      <paths.h>: _PATH_DEFPATH conta (unknown -- `libc')
 1791 dosemu     dosemu troubles                Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea

OVER 7 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1794 base       /bin/sh is shell when none spe Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1796 xserver-s3 missing call to ntohs in X ser (unknown -- `xserver-s')
 1797 dpkg       upgrade/downgrade dependency c Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1799 smail      smail nameresloving problems   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1803 termcap-co /etc/termcap linux definition  Christian Hudon <chrish@debian.
 1812 textutils  Cut in textutils with fields   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1818 dpkg       configure ordering based on Re Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1819 xbase      X11 doesn't set a lock on the  Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1823 texbin     texbin postinst failed with er Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1831 pgp-i      pgp-i bug..                    Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1834 bash       [kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de: daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1845 trn        dead.letter and dead.article a jkr@master.debian.org (Jonathan
 1851 gopher-cli gopher-client-2.1.1 has quotes Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 1853 procps     top fails after 130 processes? Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1854 fileutils  cp -dpR doesn't preserve owner daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 1855 base       packages adding entries to /et Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1856 perl       creating perl header files     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1858 kpathsea   kpathsea package does not inst Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1865 kpathsea   cmr10 at 10.0pt not loadable:  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1873 dvipsk     dvipsk ignores /etc/papersize! Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 1874 a2ps       a2ps ignores /etc/papersize!   (unknown -- `a')
 1879 emacs      Emacs shell mode weirdness - l Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 1881 majordomo  Majordomo UID wrong?           Richard Kettlewell <richard@elm
 1885 base       base 0.93.6-13: doesn't create Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1901 kbd        `compose' keytable command not Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 1908 procps     Top and tabs                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1914 image      general protection in unix_pro (unknown -- `image')
 1916 perl       perl: wrong entries in Config. Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1921 dpkg       update-alternatives prompt, dp Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 1922 kernel     1.3.43 Kernel is too nice      Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 1923 lpr        lpr not de-installing          dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 1929 smail      aliasinclude and forwardinclud Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 1930 mime-suppo metamail wants xloadimage      Brian White <bcwhite@pobox.com>
 1933 procps     w from procps gives wrong idle Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 1934 mfbin      font scaling problem           Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n

OVER 6 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 1946 samba      nmbd won't browse              Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 1954 base       setting up the network         Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1955 base       base discs still aren't creati Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 1962 kernel     kernel needs sbpcd.h editing i Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 1971 ftp.debian librl should be in required    Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 1972 perl       perl should suggest kernel sou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 1973 workbone   workbone postinst needs reword dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1981 xcontrib   xman fails to format ascii(7)  Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.u
 1984 workbone   dpkg won't install cdtool      dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 1985 xbase      xdm won't redirect to remote m Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 1989 kernel     mmap bug?                      Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 1995 cron       run-parts on laptops           Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 1997 ncurses3.0 ncurses linux terminal definit (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2001 base       Incorrect ownership of audio d Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2009 mailx      mailx ignores ^C at Subject pr Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2010 mailx      mailx misses VM-generated From Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2011 libc4      very silly messages from rsh   (unknown -- `libc')
 2022 general    utmp corruption                debian-devel@pixar.com
 2023 texbin     latex dumps core on -QUIT      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2027 web2c      tiny bug in web2c debian.rules (unknown -- `web')
 2037 bibtex     bibtex not searching $TEXINPUT Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2038 texbin     tex man page has unexpanded ma Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2039 xserver-ma X server font erosion          (unknown -- `xserver-mach')
 2047 grep       grep segfaults when abused     Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 2051 xntp       /etc/ntp.conf is an auto-handl Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2052 cron       find over NFS                  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2054 latex,xdvi no subject (file transmission) Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2063 kernel     scsi driver sequence unreasona Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2064 kernel     aha1740 driver only supports o Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2067 lynx       lynx -source can't find docume Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2068 shellutils su doesn't su.                 daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2070 base       /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2076 ncurses-bi reset(1)                       Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo

OVER 5 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2085 ncurses3.0 /usr/lib/termcap/l/linux kbs C (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2099 ax25-util  slip module stops axattach     (unknown -- `ax')
 2104 dvipsk     dvips doesn't provide color    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2105 kernel     console error messages "Source Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2110 bash       Bash tab completion of non alp daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2112 inn        Submission for INN doc file    Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2122 xdvik      xdvik doesn't handle the `zcat Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2130 ncurses3.0 ncurses3.0-dev misinstalls scr (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2158 ncurses-te new ncurses bug ?              Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2159 procps     "ps pids" lists more than just Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2161 binutils   elf-binutils 2.5.2l.20-1 ld ca David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2167 timezone   timezone zdump for US zones gi Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2169 timezone   timezone zdump utility should  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2170 timezone   timezone: it needs more docume Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2171 timezone   timezone: how to determine zon Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2177 strace     "strace -ff -o file dpkg --ins Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@wi.l
 2182 perl       perl shouldn't touch /usr/loca Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2183 emacs      emacs shouldn't touch /usr/loc Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2184 perl       perl's sys/socket.ph causes wa Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2185 mflib      texmf/metafont or texmf/mf ?   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2186 texlib     national hyphenation patterns  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2196 ytalk      ytalk `shell' option can't run Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2197 hdparm     hdparm -c switch               gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2198 uucp       uuxqt can't execute rmail      dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2200 ghostview  Description                    Helmut Geyer, Helmut.Geyer@iwr.
 2205 most       Description                    Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 2206 rsynth     Description                    Marcel Riedi <riedi@tik.ee.ethz
 2209 dld        Description                    gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2211 auto-pgp   Description                    Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 2217 kbd        loadkeys problem               Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2220 inn        INN feed password interacts ba Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2231 mathpad    mathpad problems               Erick Branderhorst <branderh@de
 2233 groff      groff-1.09-4                   Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 2235 emacs      emacs eats manual pages        Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2238 kbd        another loadkeys problem       Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2241 perl       Perl 5.002-3 handles LANG and  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2242 mc (Midnig mc should depend on ncurses3.0 Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2243 xbase      xterm vanishes when it's big ( Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2251 perl       Perl coredumps while invoking  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2254 perl       perl doesn't initialize variab Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>

OVER 4 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2265 bash       bash `horizontal scroll' can't daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2267 emacs      emacs ange ftp fails           Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2268 cern-httpd stale documentation links      Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2275 timezone   ctime(3) should be replaced by Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2284 mailx      mailx ^C at Cc: prompt sends m Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2291 ncurses3.0 missing terminfo capabilities  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2292 shellutils date does not support dates pa daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2293 uucp       uucp should compress big files dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2295 lynx       (no subject)                   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2296 bugs.debia debian-bugs WWW doesn't say ho Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.ch
 2297 xbase      xterm gets mouse-paste and RET Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2298 trn        trn bug with shell escaping    jkr@master.debian.org (Jonathan
 2301 bash       bash doesn't document any way  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2302 rcs        RCS - problems with msdos file Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 2304 mount      umount calls gethostbyname() a Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2305 xosview    xosview doesn't work?          joost witteveen <joostje@master
 2309 adduser    Multiple root accounts         Steve Phillips <sjp@cvfn.org>
 2311 svgalib1-b svgalib has undocumented setui (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2313 xbase      xterm keymapping problems susp Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2318 emacs      Emacs makes it hard for MTAs t Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2321 libc5 (and libc doesn't use **h_aliases ( (unknown -- `libc')
 2334 mh         MH scan -width dumps core      Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2338 cron       finds in cron.daily should be  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2342 libgr      libpng too old (0.71) for Aren Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2343 libgr      libgz obsolete and confusing n Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2345 shellutils Inclusion of shadow breaks up  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2346 mh         MH can lose mail               Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2348 smail      Smail fails to define NO_PETER Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 2353 xterm-colo postrm script broken           Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
 2356 mailx      mailx -- problems with TMPDIR  Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2357 dvipsk     dvipsk generated PS causes `re Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2360 xbase      xdm cannot find a free VT      Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 2362 bash       bash (readline) dumps core on  daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2365 pine       Pine erases message before I c Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 2367 pine       Pine supplies PATH line when p Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 2379 svgalib1   svgalib postinst broken        (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2382 nvi        would like `view' link for nvi Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2387 libc5-dev  gethostbyaddr(3) ill documente (unknown -- `libc')
 2392 emacs      Emacs mishandles fonts under X Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2402 procps     ps no longer understands `g' o Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2403 xntp       xntpd fails with kernel 1.3.68 Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2405 perl       perl postinst messages re unct Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2412 xosview    xosview can't do -net nor -cua joost witteveen <joostje@master
 2417 emacs      emacs inferior process buffers Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2423 smail      scattered sendmail links       Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 2425 ispell     ispell thinks `formated' is co Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@
 2426 apache     apache overwrites existing hom Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2427 procps     top d 60 fails                 Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2428 nvi        nvi segmentation faults        Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2430 kermit     kermit configuration script is (unknown -- `kermit')
 2431 emacs      Emacs mishandles X fonts.      Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2439 sysvinit   rc?.d scripts sometimes not ru Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2440 perl       sys/socket.ph produces spuriou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>

OVER 3 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2450 cdtool     `cdir' prints out huge chunks  dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 2455 svgalib1   can't install svgalib1-1.28-5  (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2460 procps     bizarre output from `free'     Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2463 kernel     "msdos" filesystem needed for  Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2470 kernel     in kernel Attached ether adapt Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2474 ncurses-bi /usr/bin/reset does the wrong  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2475 at         `at' uses middle-endian 2-digi Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 2476 emacs      emacs mucks up my email addres Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2477 emacs      annoying bug in emacs          Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2478 emacs      ange ftpd croaks on anonftpd   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2479 emacs      ange-ftp is incredibly ineffic Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2481 general    /sbin/ldconfig in scripts      debian-devel@pixar.com
 2483 libdb1     libdb1 uses not-yet-completely (unknown -- `libdb')
 2484 libgdbm1   libgdbm1 conflicts with some v (unknown -- `libgdbm')
 2486 xwpe       Ghost packages                 dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2493 gcc        GCC -O3 produces unsatisfied e David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2495 perl       perl requires tcsh (as it is c Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2497 amd        Fixes for amd-upl102           Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2500 emacs      (no subject)                   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2501 perl       (no subject)                   Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2502 perl       configure fails if /vmlinuz is Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2503 elv-ctags  elvis and emacs both provide c mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill
 2504 libdb1     remove -m486 from Makefile     (unknown -- `libdb')
 2510 rxvt       rxvt-2.14 breaks old scripts   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2520 procps     procps needs dependency on ncu Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2524 base       problems with base package     Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2529 libgr-dev  libgr and libgr-dev both provi Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2530 bind       bind locks up system           Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2531 dpkg       install-info should use better Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2532 emacs      Emacs fails to use `set -e' in Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2536 dpkg       dpkg inappropriately marks pac Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2538 base       audio devices have different g Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2542 netatalk   No default config files?       Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 2547 tf         tf does not support visual mod Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2555 lpr        lpd source files aren't clean  dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2556 lpr        "\031\1"                       dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 2557 elm        add to elm manpage             Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2562 elm        elm manpage paths incorrect    Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2569 boot-flopp bootdisk: Leading dot in dnsdo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2573 libc5-dev  sysinfo system call not in lib (unknown -- `libc')
 2575 ytalk      ytalk lies about who you are t Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2576 dpkg       base: selecting [A]ccess with  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2589 perl       perl can't load libdb.so.1     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2590 perl       new revision of perl does not  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2591 dialog     rootdisk                       David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2592 elvisnox   Elvis Compilation Peoblem      Bill Mitchell <mitchell@debian.
 2593 perl       perl tries to install in /usr/ Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2596 emacs      install-info (v1.1.2) creates  Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2603 dpkg       dpkg-1.1.3 seg fault when inst Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2604 ash        ash: cc: Internal compiler err Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2605 ifrench    #1233,#1793 (ifrench doesn't w (orphan)
 2607 man        man and mandb invocation error Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2609 emacs      (no subject)                   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2610 libg++27   support for m68k-linux         Andreas Schwab <schwab@issan.in

Over two months old - attention is required:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2621 texbin     unstable/texbin install fails  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2630 emacs      emacs package needs to break c Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2634 emacs      emacs hung                     Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2637 man        unstable/man loops building in Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2638 man        unstable/man loops building in Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2648 mh                                        Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2650 win32binut win32binutils has /usr/bin/fle (unknown -- `win')
 2658 perl       Errors during perlconfig       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2661 mh         dist and mh both have a dist m Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2664 dpkg       arrow keys fail in dselect not Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2671 timezone   timezone Mexico/General doesn' Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2682 timezone   Zoneinfo library has a name-cl Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2688 base       base: wrong group for rft* dev Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2689 xemacs     (no subject)                   (unknown -- `xemacs')
 2690 netatalk   netatalk: a few small problems Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 2691 perl       new perl break suid scripts    Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 2692 kernel     kernel swap space problem      Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2699 ytalk      ytalk doesn't use FQDNs        Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2701 seyon      seyon: dpkg --purge doesn't wo Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 2703 apache     apache: wrong location of icon Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2709 emacs      emacs should list /usr/lib/ema Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2710 xterm-colo colour xterm has problems when Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
 2712 man        man fails to recover correctly Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2714 emacs      Emacs and XEmacs share files   Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2717 general    conffiles in /usr              debian-devel@pixar.com
 2721 procps     free fails to understand recen Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2728 procps     top coredump                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2731 emacs      emacs with gud creates ~/.term Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2733 mailx      /usr/bin/mail leaves lock file Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2737 arrl-infos arrl-infoserv: missing source  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2738 boot-flopp Installing Debian 1.1          Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2739 boot-flopp Configuring Network with Debia Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2740 boot-flopp Configuring Network with Debia Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2741 base       First booting with Debian 1.1  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2749 ltxmisc    ltxmisc: missing source file   Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2751 mfbasfnt   mfbasfnt: missing source file  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2758 dld        dld: missing source file       gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca (Guy R.
 2759 glibcdoc   glibcdoc: missing source file  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2762 ax25-kerne ax25-kernel-source: missing so (unknown -- `ax')
 2763 textfm     textfm: missing source file    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2764 texpsfnt   texpsfnt: missing source file  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2765 ax25-util  ax25-util: missing source file (unknown -- `ax')
 2766 texlib     texlib: missing source file    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2772 mflib      mflib: missing source file     Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2774 syslinux   syslinux: missing source file  Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2783 trn        trn needs to provide virtual p jkr@master.debian.org (Jonathan
 2785 timezone   Timezone has static library?   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2789 elm        elm doesn't show rest of pgp-s Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2796 sysvinit   sysvinit makes obsolete symbol Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2797 nvi        nvi dumped core?               Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2799 man        mandb doesn't like manpage for Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2802 apache     apache tweaks                  Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2803 xdvik      xdvi does not handle redraws o Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2806 ncurses3.0 ncurses man pages internal inc (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2808 cron       wrong crontab entry for atrun  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 2810 uucp       uucp postrm should use -f flag dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 2812 apache     Apache server: SECURITY HOLE   Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2814 apache     Apache 1.0.3: wrong manpage    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2818 bash       bash doesn't provide enough do daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2819 bind       named loses (in an easily fixe Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 2822 inn        Some minor glitches with the i Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2823 mc         mc segfaults on reconnect of f Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2825 nvi        restricted movement in nvi     Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2828 dpkg       have to install xosview twice  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2829 emacs      emacs: gdb says: slashes aren' Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 2832 nvi        nvi likes turning auto-margins Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2834 dpkg       desect loses state if it can't Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2839 xemacs     Xemacs problems                (unknown -- `xemacs')
 2840 base       Conflicting entries in login/g Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2841 procps     top produces `$<3>' at end of  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su

Over one month old:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 2850 boot-flopp nfs.o isn't loaded in clean de Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2852 g77        Bug 2711: g77 does not include (unknown -- `g')
 2855 nvi        nvi changes xterm settings...  Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 2856 bash       fd leak in bash                daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2861 manpages   glob(3) references glob(7); th Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 2862 man        man 9menu doesn't work         Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2863 ncurses-ba dselect and ncurses in select  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 2864 amd        serious bug in amd!            Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2868 amd        amd hangs on tcsh hostname com Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 2870 dpkg-ftp   dpkg-ftp-1.4.1 bug             awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 2872 apache     Apache starts several times    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2874 gpm        gpm will not work if the syste Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 2876 svgalib1   svgalib will not work in a set (unknown -- `svgalib')
 2884 tkman      tkman doesn't use /var/catman  David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2889 base       no NCR 53c810 driver in 1.1 bo Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2891 taper      taper documentation is missing Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 2892 setserial  setserial marked as Essential  Gordon Russell <gor@dcs.napier.
 2893 boot-flopp forwarded 1.1 installation bug Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2894 dpkg       dpkg guidelines info files not Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2895 base       base -- incorrect passwd entry Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2896 libdb1     postinst has bad permissions 6 (unknown -- `libdb')
 2899 libreadlin postinst has bad permissions 6 (unknown -- `libreadline')
 2904 dpkg       install-info doesn't cope with Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2906 glibcdoc   Inconsistency in libc.info re  Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2908 sysvinit   mesg sets wrong permissions on Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 2909 gcc        GCC Info has funny formatting  David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2910 gcc        GCC accepts multi-line strings David Engel <david@ods.com>
 2911 dpkg       Conffiles are deleted too late Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2913 ipx        ipx bootup scripts are broken  mrn20@cam.ac.uk (Michael R. Non
 2914 boot-flopp (no subject)                   Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2919 fort77     very bad fort77 installation m (unknown -- `fort')
 2920 base       incorrect entry for nobody in  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2923 cdtool     CD-ROM device /dev/hdc permiss dgregor@gregor.com (D.J. Gregor
 2926 lilo       Lilo: can't make documentation Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 2927 base       /usr/info/dir in base confuses Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2928 base       nobody has wrong login shell   Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2929 dpkg       dpkg-name 1.1.6 is broken.     Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2933 dpkg-ftp   dpkg-ftp needs perl 5.002      awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 2934 apache     Some cgi scripts don't work    Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 2937 bootdisk   Copyright message function key Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2938 procps     libproc is in wrong place      Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2939 dpkg       Bad dpkg/ldconfig Interaction  Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2940 kernel     image-1.3.64-0 lacks scsi tape Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 2941 ftp.debian lots of hyphens in archive     Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2942 timezone?, Wrong timezone for Europe/Wars Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 2945 rootdisk   Bus Error given by rootdisk    Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 2946 lynx       Lynx gives fatal error message Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2956 bootdisk   beta experience                Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2959 shellutils date +%Z bug                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 2962 ncurses3.0 dselect arrow keys don't work  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 2964 lynx       lynx -dump fails through proxy Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2965 lynx       lynxexec not compiled into lyn Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2966 bugs.debia bugs2ftp is broken             Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.ch
 2969 man        zsoelim [in man] is confused b Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 2970 groff      soelim [in groff] is confused  Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 2971 mailx      mailx doesn't quit on two succ Dale Miller <dale@csd.uwo.ca>
 2972 mfbin      MetaFONT linked against X libr Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 2973 dpkg       install-info created 5 Develop Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 2975 base       [base] missing /dev entries    Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2977 vgrind     vgrind: name clash causes core Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.
 2978 base       May 13 15:51:25 lohi wu-ftpd[3 Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 2982 xntp       xntp calls ntpdate at start    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2989 rxvt       rxvt source bug                Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 2991 elm        nfrm is not installed...       Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 2998 bugs.debia bugs2ftp still flaky           Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.ch
 3002 base       majordomo has conflicting grou Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3019 kernel     no 386 support in kernel_image Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3026 xbase      xbase et al postinst doesn't f Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3027 base       updatedb can't run properly    Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3028 weblint    bad weblint permission         Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3031 boot-flopp various boot-floppies nits     Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3034 lpr        SOLVED: can't remove print job dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3035 nvi        nvi dumps core                 Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3036 base       automatic adduser/addgroup in  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3038 lpr        SOLVED: can't remove print job dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3039 base       MAKEDEV script does not create Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3040 kernel     Sound module in 1.3.95 kernel  Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3042 elm        Elm produces bogus Content-Typ Carl Streeter <streeter@cae.wis
 3044 tkdiff     tkdiff -- calls wrong "wish" p krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sack
 3046 smail      Smail configuration problem?   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3047 cron       cron script problem?           Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3050 xbmbrowser xbmbrowser man page installed  Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3052 guile      guile is missing slib.info.gz  Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3053 gnats      gnats: typo in postinst omits  bcwhite@pobox.com (Brian C. Whi
 3056 ash        ash-source contains objects    Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3060 sysklogd   problems with new sysklogd-1.3 Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
 3064 boot-flopp need a pointer in /usr/doc/boo Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3065 lsof       lsof looks for /System.map     Dominik Kubla <kubla@uni-mainz.
 3066 general    a.out binaries in various pack debian-devel@pixar.com
 3067 xaw3d      broken libXaw3d                (unknown -- `xaw')
 3070 base       base copyright string          Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3073 xbase      xbase contains imake and xmkmf Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3075 lpr, magic lpr, magicfilter, dvi-fonts fa dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3077 mfbin      gray font .mf files missing fr Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3080 procps     error message in syslog caused Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3084 timezone   missing timezones              Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3087 shellutils Bug in date.                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3089 trn        trn -- needs to depend on "ine jkr@master.debian.org (Jonathan
 3093 perl       Perl dumps core                Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3095 xbase      xbase kills xdm and *then* ask Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3096 lxtools    lxtools: user error (misuse of Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3098 man        man-2.3.10-11 segfaults        Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3099 cron       /etc/cron.daily/standard secur Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3102 procps     top has problems when not on c Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3103 sysklogd   "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
 3105 lynx       lynx access to dot files is di Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3106 kernel     v 1.1 beta kernel image not fo Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3107 nas        nas postinst could use a warni Michael Nonweiler <mrn20@cam.ac
 3108 snmp       snmpd provides too much inform David Engel <david@ods.com>
 3109 man        man 9menu unpleasant           Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3110 xbase?     X servers muck up xdm when uni Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3112 uucp       UUCP uses /usr/spool/uucp (and dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 3113 ncurses3.0 dselect provokes ncurses probl (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3114 cron       cron.daily/standard script     Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3115 taper      taper recommends ftape         Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3119 emacs      emacs font handling            Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3121 boot-flopp boot-floppies doesn't have bas Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3122 debianutil run-parts should ignore RCS    Guy Maor <maor@debian.org>
 3124 cern-httpd CERN httpd sends useless cron  Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3125 dpkg       bug (and correction) in dpkg-1 Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3128 mc         mc-3.2.1-1 needs libgpm.so.1   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3130 sysvinit   sysvinit init.d/network script Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3135 psnfss     psnfss has no Architecture fie Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3140 sysvinit   /etc/init.d/boot has rm -f bug Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3142 rootdisk   1.1 installation and large par Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3143 sysvinit   sysvinit init.d/network script Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels
 3144 octave     octave fails to dynamically lo Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3146 base, ae   1.1 installation: ae doesn't w Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3147 rootdisk   May 19 boot floppies...        Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3148 cron       Cron: Cannot stat in /var/spoo Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3149 base       upgrading base truncates utmp  Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3151 sendmail   Sendmail runs too late         Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3153 inn        inn ctlinnd not readable/execu Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels

Submitted in the last month:
 Ref  Package    Keywords/Subject               Package maintainer
 3155 spice      spice still on my system       (unknown -- `spice')
 3156 lpr        lpr and smail uuname returned  dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3157 fileutils  df from fileutils calls sync() daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3158 most       most differs from man page     Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 3161 general    Newbie 1.1beta installation.   debian-devel@pixar.com
 3162 xbase      disconnects between ncurses-ba Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3163 ncurses-ba disconnects between ncurses-ba Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 3164 smail      runq dumps core                Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3165 manpages   fcntl(2) references nonexisten Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org
 3166 nvi        SIGSEGV on TERM=dumb           Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3169 genscript  dvipsk doesn't use /etc/papers Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3170 dpkg       again dpkg --root=xxx          Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3172 autoconf   Autoconf does not provide conf Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3174 bash       set -i doesn't work in bash    daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3176 mandelspaw mandelspawn slave problems     Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3177 bash       sh -nc <command> actually runs daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3179 emacs      emacs ctags segfaults          Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3180 linuxdoc-s linuxdoc-sgml semantics and fo Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3181 man        apropos in package man depends Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3182 cron       cron's checksecurity runs find Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3183 base       permissions problems with /var Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3185 bootdisk   Lack of NCR53c810 support on b Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3186 xfractint  Can't chdir                    Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3189 nvi        nvi over-cautious about .exrc? Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3190 libc5      rlogin takes far too long when (unknown -- `libc')
 3191 ncurses-bi reset(1) doesn't bring an xter Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 3192 ncurses-bi tset(1) man page problem       Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 3195 kernel     "/etc/rc.boot/0setserial" fail Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3196 ispell     ispell symlinks broken         Kenneth MacDonald <K.MacDonald@
 3197 procmail   wrong uid/gid in /usr/doc/proc Wendal Catt <wendal@southwind.n
 3198 dviljk     dviljk is still aout! :-(      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3199 lists.debi Bizarre message from debian-de Anders Christrom <ac@netg.se>
 3202 dviljk     dviljk doesn't read stdin!!! : Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3206 rc         rc terminates on CTRL-C        Simon Shapiro <shimon@i-Connect
 3207 ncurses3.0 strange screen update choices  (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3208 amd        amd bug                        Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3210 kbd        loadkeys infelicities          Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3212 perl       Perl recommends nonexistent pa Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3213 fortune    fortune need libc.so.4         dhs@firefly.com (David H. Silbe
 3216 auto-pgp   auto-pgp doesn't remove info e Mike Deisher <deisher@dspsun.ea
 3217 auctex     auctex postrm has bad call to  Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.
 3218 dpkg       install-info adds Miscellaneou Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3220 man        apropos dumps core             Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3222 jargon     Jargon info entry in wrong cat Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3223 guile      guile installs entry for slib, Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3224 apsfilter  apsfilter doesn't configure on Doug Geiger <runexe@ntplx.net>
 3225 dpkg       dpkg-1.2.3 upgrade problems fr Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3227 login      login refuses, and then allows Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
 3230 perl       why the hell does perl depend  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3231 base       /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib not pr Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3233 dpkg       dselect for 1.1 as of June, 2n Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3234 nvi        nvi segfaults if stty rows 0 c Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3235 nvi        nvi gives unhelpful message fo Steve Greenland <stevegr@neosof
 3236 ftp.debian auto-pgp in non-free, mailcryp Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3240 libdb1     [libdb]: obsolete bugfix       (unknown -- `libdb')
 3241 emacs      derived.el fails in emacs      Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3242 perl       perl's dependencies are wrong  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3244 libc5      (no subject)                   (unknown -- `libc')
 3245 mc         mc should depend on gpm        Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3246 xcompat    Cant load library libXt.so.6   Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.u
 3247 lilo       Lilo unpack removes boot.b     Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3250 cfingerd   cfingerd descriptive text      Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3252 base       base template /usr/info/dir ma Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3253 pine       Pine over-encodes files (came  Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3254 magicfilte magicfilter recommends dvips,  David Frey <David.Frey@eos.lugs
 3255 apsfilter  apsfilter recommends gs, dvips Doug Geiger <runexe@ntplx.net>
 3258 kernel     pcmcia-cs minor postinst bug   Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3259 util-linux [c]fdisk does not recognize NE Guy Maor <maor@debian.org>
 3260 procps     psupdate man page out of date  Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3261 apmd       apmd incorrectly sets clock fo Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd@qed.econ
 3262 gopherd    Gopherd problems               Ted Hajek <tedhajek@boombox.mic
 3265 kernel     kernel-image and PS/2 mouse pr Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3267 xbase      Unqualified hostnames in rstar Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3268 kernel     network modules don't work wit Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3269 bootdisk   bootdisk silently fails-change Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3270 netbase    bugs                           Peter Tobias <tobias@et-inf.fho
 3271 nethack    new nethack screws up on linux Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3272 rootdisk   bug in root disks...           Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3275 kernel     dpkg --no-act leaves control i Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3277 perl       nit: perl setup emits a \n     Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3279 bootdisk/r ne2000 lockups during instalat Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3280 gpm        (no subject)                   Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3283 perl       /usr/bin/perlconfig should be  Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3284 giftrans   giftrans is free               Erick Branderhorst <branderhors
 3285 linuxdoc-s possibly unintended files inst Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3287 maelstrom  (no subject)                   Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3292 xcal       xcal app-defaults shouldn't be Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
 3295 perl       perls debian.rules doesn't wor Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3296 perl       /bin/perl is not updated       Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3300 xserver-sv xserver-svga configuration     Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3302 cron       savelog seems to be missing fr Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3304 rman       [rman] Off-by-one in generated Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3305 dchanges   dchanges: urg= override is ign awpguy@acs.ucalgary.ca (Andy W.
 3307 ddd-smotif ddd-smotif does not replace dd Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3308 xmanpages  X(1) manpage in wrong place?   Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3310 mathpad    installation and startup probl Erick Branderhorst <branderh@de
 3311 mathpad    installation and startup probl Erick Branderhorst <branderh@de
 3312 mathpad    installation and startup probl Erick Branderhorst <branderh@de
 3314 base       On request of Bruce: /etc/rc.b Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3315 base       Bug in /etc/init.d/networks on Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3317 linuxdoc-s linuxdoc-sgml info files are m Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresde
 3319 deliver    deliver does not set exit code Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>
 3320 bootdisk   Kernel oops - problem with APM Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3321 libgdbm1   libgdbm.so version number...   (unknown -- `libgdbm')
 3323 mflib      MakeTeXPK mis-invokes ps2pk    Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3324 sysklogd   Non-existant conffile not crea Martin Schulze <joey@linux.de>
 3326 gzip       zegrep missing                 Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>
 3327 cern-httpd cern-httpd postinst hangs if d Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3328 gawk       (no subject)                   Chris Fearnley <cjf@netaxs.com>
 3329 fileutils  (no subject)                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3330 gcc        (no subject)                   David Engel <david@ods.com>
 3331 fdflush    (no subject)                   Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3332 file       (no subject)                   Bill Mitchell <mitchell@debian.
 3333 groff      (no subject)                   Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
 3334 grep       (no subject)                   Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3335 libdb1     (no subject)                   (unknown -- `libdb')
 3336 less       (no subject)                   mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill
 3338 libc5      (no subject)                   (unknown -- `libc')
 3340 metamail   (no subject)                   Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3341 hostname   (no subject)                   Peter Tobias <tobias@et-inf.fho
 3342 libgdbm1   (no subject)                   (unknown -- `libgdbm')
 3343 libident   (no subject)                   Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3344 man        (no subject)                   Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3345 libreadlin (no subject)                   (unknown -- `libreadline')
 3346 lpr        (no subject)                   dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3347 ppp        (no subject)                   Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
 3348 patch      (no subject)                   mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill
 3349 procmail   (no subject)                   Wendal Catt <wendal@southwind.n
 3350 procps     (no subject)                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3351 diff       (no subject)                   Bill Mitchell <mitchell@mdd.com
 3352 afio       (no subject)                   Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd@qed.econ
 3353 bash       (no subject)                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3354 screen     (no subject)                   joost witteveen <joostje@debian
 3355 ae         (no subject)                   Bill Mitchell <mitchell@debian.
 3356 sed        (no subject)                   Joe Kirby <kirby@utk.edu>
 3357 sharutils  (no subject)                   Bill Mitchell <mitchell@mdd.com
 3358 cron       (no subject)                   Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3359 shellutils (no subject)                   daveb@tau.space.thiokol.com (Da
 3360 dialog     (no subject)                   David Engel <david@ods.com>
 3361 byacc      (no subject)                   dgregor@coil.com (D.J. Gregor)
 3362 mingetty                                  Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lo
 3363 timezone   (no subject)                   Fernando Alegre <alegre@mars.su
 3364 symlinks   (no subject)                   mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill
 3366 smail      (no subject)                   Soenke Lange <soenke@escher.nor
 3368 cron       cron's checksecurity still sca Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3370 cern-httpd httpdconfig installs Welcome.h Steve Greenland <stevegr@master
 3372 mgetty     mgetty+sendfax missing new_fax Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3373 gpm        gpm -k hangs if X server runni Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3374 CVS        CVS wrappers can't be turned o Bill Mitchell <mitchell@debian.
 3375 apsfilter  apsfilter fails installation   Doug Geiger <runexe@ntplx.net>
 3377 gimp-dmoti gimp's sample .gimprc does not Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.
 3378 gimp-dmoti gimp should put a .gimprc in / Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.
 3380 dpkg       dselect update alternatives su Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3381 general    Upgrade document and kernel up debian-devel@pixar.com
 3382 workbone   workbone disappears during upg dgregor@bronze.coil.com (D.J. G
 3383 kbd        kbd bogosity                   Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3384 apache     apache leaves /var/log/httpd n Mark Shuttleworth <marks@thawte
 3385 xosview    xosview and /usr/bin/X11 (agai joost witteveen <joostje@master
 3386 lynx       lynx version number changes    Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3387 base       base leaves /tmp/base.postinst Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3388 pcb        linked with aout libXaw        Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3389 gs         gsftopk is missing             joost witteveen <joostje@master
 3390 latex      Xdvi and postscript fonts      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3391 cflow      cflow pre-depends on gcc -- ba Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3392 color-ls   /etc/DIR_COLORS doesn't list . Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.
 3393 kernel     printer-driver problem in kern Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3394 at         /etc/crontab has a bad entry   Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3395 xbase      can't login via xdm            Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.o
 3396 tcsh       tcsh doesn't provide c-shell   Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au
 3397 kernel     (no subject)                   Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connec
 3398 lshell     TERM environemt is lost        Michael Meskes <meskes@debian.o
 3399 cflow      cflow 2.0-1                    Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3400 emacs      gnus broken? in Debian-emacs-1 Mark Eichin <eichin@kitten.gen.
 3401 netstd     talk clears screen after showi Peter Tobias <tobias@et-inf.fho
 3402 strace     strace package files don't sup Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@wi.l
 3406 base       dselect unreadable under xterm Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3407 fvwm2      fvwm2: WindowList infelicity   Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
 3408 passwd     Various bugs in passwd manpage Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
 3409 base       Could not make boot floppy     Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3410 dpkg       some problems/bugs/suggestions Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3411 file       magic file entries for new Deb Bill Mitchell <mitchell@debian.
 3413 pcb        linked with aout libXaw        Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com>
 3414 gs         gsftopk is missing             joost witteveen <joostje@master
 3415 latex      Xdvi and postscript fonts      Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-n
 3416 cflow      cflow pre-depends on gcc -- ba Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un
 3418 dpkg       dpkg-scanpackages is syntactic Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3420 rootdisk   Boot disk creats corrupted fil Ian Murdock <imurdock@debian.or
 3421 base       /tmp installs wrongly          Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
 3422 ncurses3.0 termcap entry too long error   (unknown -- `ncurses')
 3423 perl       Problems installing kernel sou Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3425 bugs.debia test individual retitle        Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.ch
 3426 mailagent  mailagent not executable       Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@pilg
 3427 cfingerd   weird output if cfingerd.conf: Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3428 perl       pod2latex: E<szlig>, =over/=cu Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3429 dpkg       deb(8) is inconsistent with th Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3430 (www.debia section information in .html f (unknown -- `(www.debian.org)')
 3431 www.debian some packages have no informat Ray Dassen <jdassen@wi.leidenun
 3432 mailagent  mailagent not executable       Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@pilg
 3433 cfingerd   weird output if cfingerd.conf: Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.n
 3434 perl       pod2latex: E<szlig>, =over/=cu Darren Stalder <torin@daft.com>
 3435 dpkg       deb(8) is inconsistent with th Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3437 fvwm       fvwm should not recommend fvwm Austin Donnelly <and1000@debian
 3438 pine       pine should not recomment imap Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net
 3439 login      Login reconfigures serial port Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
 3440 dpkg       dpkg doesn't record elisp-manu Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam
 3441 web2c      web2c not compiled             (unknown -- `web')
 3442 python     python postinst is very verbos Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
 3443 Debian dis mechanism for dealing with orp (unknown -- `debian')
 3444 Debian dis mechanism for dealing with orp (unknown -- `debian')
 3445 amd        bug in amd package (upgrade)   Dominik Kubla <Dominik.Kubla@Un

The listing by package maintainer is posted every Wednesday,
and the listing by age of the report every Friday.

Please see the developers' notes on the simple bug tracking system
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reports and ones recently marked as done can be inspected at
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Is debian-private running, or have I just been removed from it?

I sent a message to it a couple days ago regarding the "WebPages"
directory now in the distribution, but never saw it, nor any other
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> 
> Package: latex
> Version: 2e-4
> 
> Using xdvi with postscript fonts doesn't work: MakeTeXPK doesn't
> create the postscript bitmap files.  I get output like this:

Could you send me your input file(s)?
Last time (yesterday) when I used \usepackage{times} in my latex2e
files, itworked OK, but you probably mean something different
with the postscript fonts.


Anyway, the current *TeX* maintainer, Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-net.de>
has changed email-address, and seems not too responsive to mail
I sent to nils@debian.org (altough it _is_ the same nils).
So, maybe I'll try to fix this, if I manage.

> The TeTeX distribution (version 0.3.3) provides gsftopk, which uses
> the ghostscript fonts to create the bitmaps.  I think the debian
> packages should do this too.

Could you also tell me where to find teTeX? (if CTAN, then never
mind, I'll find it).

> David M. Smith, Department of Mathematics and Statistics, Lancaster University
> <D.M.Smith@lancaster.ac.uk>  x3952  http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk:2080/~maa036/


BTW, if anyone else is working on the *TeX* packages, please tell me.

Thanks,

-- 
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> 
> Package: gs
> Version: 2.62-2
> 
> The gsftopk program, which comes with the teTeX 0.3.3, is missing from
> both gs and texbin-3.1415-5.  It's non in the non-free gs either.
> 
> This program makes it possible to use postscript fonts with xdvi.
> 
But where do you want it to be? In texbin, or in gs?
If it's part of teTeX (whatever that is), then it _sounds_ to me
as though it belongs somewhat more to tex than to gs.

On the other hand, what makes you think it should go into eighter?
it doesnt' come with gs, it doesn't come with TeX, so maybe you
should create a tetex package?

Emilio writes:

> This is sure related to the bug with MakeTeXPK someone reported some days
> ago, when using the "times" package.

Dunno. I can use the "times" package. The Times package, as far
as I know _should_ work without extra binaries -- or am I wrong?


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Package: expect
Version: 5.19.0-1

While installing expect (from the buzz/binary-i386/devel dir at caldera),
*and* with tcl75 7.5-1 allready installed, expect failed to install since
it insisted on tcl74.  I installed tcl74 and left the links pointing to
75, so I suppose expect can run with 75 (right?).

Also, dpkg reports old expect .deb file format, maybe that's relevant?

Thanks.

--Amos

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Christian Hudon wrote:
: 
: >         dpkg --install --autoresolve xv*deb
: > 
: > would install all needed x11 files (since xv needs x11) plus
: > all the other dependencies and requirements needed to run xv.
: 
: Errm... Meaning you'd want dpkg to select the right x-server package for
: you? <grin> More seriously, I'd be very wary of trying to make dpkg too
: smart. Especially since dselect already deals with these problems pretty
: well. 

... you're right, as I thought quite a bit longer about that proposal,
dselect handles it fairly well and dpkg is already complex enought.

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>Last time (yesterday) when I used \usepackage{times} in my latex2e
>files, itworked OK, but you probably mean something different
>with the postscript fonts.

Did you use xdvi, though? latex->dvips works, I think, it's the
latex->xdvi that screws up (xdvi uses ugly fonts at the wrong size
instead, because MakeTeXPK fails to create them.)


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This upload fixes architecture and name issues for this package.

Date: 27 Jun 96 21:26 UT
Format: 1.5
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Source: libident
Version: 0.17-2
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Changes: added architecture and dpkg-names to debian.rules/control
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Later,

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Figured I'd bring this puppy up to date as well.

Date: 28 Jun 96 20:45 UT
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I put out a new version of debiandoc, download the file debiandoc_0.1-0.deb
from http://www.clinet.fi/~liw/ (enter the directory as the URL, then
in lynx press d on the file, or shift-right-mouse-button in Netscape, or
something similar in other browsers).

This version is not a security bug.  Unless there's something important
I don't know about URLs, cgi-bins, or shell scripting.  Take a look.

Changes from version 0.0-0 to 0.1-0:

	Fixed security bug.
	No longer uses rman (since it is in non-free), but uses a simple
		built-in man2html conversion.  Not really smart enough,
		but good enough for a prototype.
	Due to previous, references to manual pages inside manual pages
		work.
	Added a couple of manual pages.

The manual pages work relatively well.  Plain text works.  Info files 
don't work (they'll be converted to ugly plain text).  HTML should work
(if filename is *.html or *.html.gz).

I won't hack or read much mail for a few days, but then I'll start 
hacking on the conversions and the caching.  I vaguely remember hearing 
about info2html and texi2html converters; if you have URLs, don't hesitate
to tell me.  I'll also start re-reading the developer's guidelines so
that I'll know how to do proper uploads (I have the account).

If anyone tests this, please tell me what you think.  <whine>If I don't
get any feedback, I won't improve it.</whine>

Someone might also want to take a look at implementing the queries (full
text search of all documents, and everything related to one program).  I
don't know if and when I will have time for those.



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Amos Shapira writes:
> 
> Package: expect
> Version: 5.19.0-1
> 
> While installing expect (from the buzz/binary-i386/devel dir at caldera),
> *and* with tcl75 7.5-1 allready installed, expect failed to install since
> it insisted on tcl74.  I installed tcl74 and left the links pointing to
> 75, so I suppose expect can run with 75 (right?).

Expect 5.19 is for Tcl 7.4 so the current expect package depends on
the tcl74 package.  Expect 5.20 is for Tcl 7.5 but it is still in
development.

David
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Could we do something similar with the Debian mailing lists? Especially
for unsubscribe requests being sent to the lists themselves.

  Christian

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> I'm trying to keep lusers from sending subscription requests to the
> mailing list.  To do this, I need to have a |condredirect at the head
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You could put

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into ~you/.qmail-foo and then use qlist for ~you/.qmail-foo-outgoing.
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Or hook in a fancier mailing list program.

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Nils Rennebarth <nils@nus.pan-net.de> is currently listed as
our TeX maintainer. The email address doesn't work, and
email sent to nils@debian.org gets forwarded to the same
address, so that doens't help eighter.

Some of the TeX packages have bugs reported against them,
and I feel the urge to try and correct them.
Before I do so, however,  I would like to know whether
  - Nils is still alive (i.e. connected)
  - There are other people who intended to take over (some) TeX
    packages.

Personally, I think I _can_ correct some things in the TeX packages,
and I use TeX quite often, but TeX (and the fonts, and everything)
so often remind me of the fact that I really don't know very much
about it, that I feel somewhat uneasy with the thought of becomming
the TeX maintainer.

On the other hand, I do think it's better to have a maintainer
than no maintainer at all, so if there are no other people willing
to take it over, I'll be glad to dive into the TeX packages.

-- 
joost witteveen
            joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl
          joostje@debian.org
--
Use Debian/GNU Linux!


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Package: wu-ftpd
Version: 2.4-23

Hi.

Here's a snippet:
----
[root@kaos:3:~] dpkg -i wu-ftpd-2.4-23.deb
Selecting previously deselected package wu-ftpd.
(Reading database ... 16318 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking wu-ftpd (from wu-ftpd-2.4-23.deb) ...
Setting up wu-ftpd ...

You already have an anonymous FTP account, but the FTP home
directory [/home/ftp] does not exist!

Do you want to create it? [y] n

You already have an anonymous FTP account, but the FTP home
directory [/home/ftp] does not exist!

Do you want to create it? [y] n

[root@kaos:3:~]
----

This may not be a serious bug, but it shouldn't ask me twice :-)

...Karl
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Subject: debian lists sent to anon.petet.fi ??
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Hmm something curious today. I sent the following message yesterday ago:

+ Subject: Re: Bug#3290: sysvinit path doesn't include /usr/local/{,s}bin
+ To: chrish@libertel.montreal.qc.ca
+ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:02:52 +0200 (MET DST)
+ Cc: miquels@cistron.nl, 3290@bugs.debian.org, ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk,
+ 	dominik.kubla@uni-mainz.de, rdm@tad.micro.umn.edu,
+ 	debian-devel@lists.debian.org
+ 
+ You (Christian Hudon) wrote:
+ > On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
+ > 
+ > > You (Ian Jackson) wrote:
+ > > > 
[deleted]

And I got this back from the anon.petet.fi gateway. The interesting thing is
that my collegue got *exactly* the same mail from the anon.petet.fi gateway
and he sent a bug report to submit@bugs.debian.org only, no Cc:'s.

+ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 21:37:18 +0300
+ Message-Id: <9606291837.AA06022@anon.penet.fi>
+ To: miquels@cistron.nl
+ Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail.
+ Status: RO
+ 
+ You, miquels@cistron.nl, have requested anonymous mail forwarding to
+ dade. This was rejected, as the user is unknown.
+ 
+ Contents of message follows:
+ 
+ From: an659790@anon.penet.fi
+ X-Anonymously-To: dade
+ Organization: Anonymous forwarding service
+ Reply-To: an659790@anon.penet.fi
+ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:37:17 UTC
+ Subject: Re: Bug#3290: sysvinit path doesn't include /usr/local/{,s}bin
+ 
+ You (Christian Hudon) wrote:
+ > On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
+ > 
+ > > You (Ian Jackson) wrote:
+ > > > 
[deleted]

Mike.
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Package: apache

Lots of warning messages. However, at the end of it all, only /var/web
remains and is empty.

#dpkg --purge apache
(Reading database ... 14473 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing apache ...
no /usr/sbin/apache-httpd found; none killed.
dpkg - warning: while removing apache, directory `/etc/httpd' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing apache, directory `/var/log/apache-httpd' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing apache, directory `/var/web/webspace' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing apache, directory `/var/web' not empty so not removed.
 Removing any system startup links to /etc/init.d/apache ...
   rc0.d/K20apache
   rc1.d/K20apache
   rc2.d/S20apache
   rc3.d/S20apache
   rc4.d/S20apache
   rc5.d/S20apache
   rc6.d/K20apache
Purging configuration files for apache ...


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You (Giuliano Procida) wrote:
> Package: apache
> 
> Lots of warning messages. However, at the end of it all, only /var/web
> remains and is empty.

And why is this a bug? Seems fine to me. OK, it should probably remove /var/web
too, but the warning messages are nothing serious. That's just the way
dpkg works, I think.

Mike.
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Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels@cistron.nl> said:

>And I got this back from the anon.petet.fi gateway. The interesting
thing is
>that my collegue got *exactly* the same mail from the anon.petet.fi gateway
>and he sent a bug report to submit@bugs.debian.org only, no Cc:'s.

Ditto with a bug report I sent yesterday to submit@bugs.debain.org,
with no Ccs.

+ From daemon@anon.penet.fi Sun Jun 30 08:24:52 1996
+ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 23:01:51 +0300
+ From: daemon@anon.penet.fi
+ To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com
+ Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail.
+ 
+ You, mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com, have requested anonymous mail forwarding to
+ dade. This was rejected, as the user is unknown.
+ 
+ Contents of message follows:
+ 
+ From: an35325@anon.penet.fi
+ X-Anonymously-To: dade
+ Organization: Anonymous forwarding service
+ Reply-To: an35325@anon.penet.fi
+ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:01:50 UTC
+ Subject: Bug#3443: mechanism for dealing with orphan packages
+ [...snipped...]

Pine saved the following header from the outgoing message:

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I'm afraid that I must drop off the debian project for now.
I'm still on track to drop off the net around mid July, due
to relocation to the Philippines, and I need to spend a larger
portion of my time getting ready for the move.  I'm not sure
where in the Philippines I'll end up, or whether a net connection
will be workable from wherever that may be.  Hopefully, I'll
be rejoining the project in a couple of months.  I'm unsubscribing
from the lists as of today, but I'll still be reachable by email
for the next couple of weeks.

I've been involved in the debian project since day one, and it's
been a good experience.  We've produced a top-notch distribution,
but it's still got some rough edges.  I think some of those rough
edges would have been smoother if we'd made a few design decisions
differently.  In those areas where the rough edges really matter,
the design decisions which they grow out of will get re-thought to
smooth out the roughness.  That's already happened in a couple of
areas.

Most of my packages have found homes.  I have three packages left,
one of which is an important one.  I'm afraid that they're now
orphans.  The following is disposition information on my former
packages:

bc-1.03             gone to Austin Donnelly <and1000@cam.ac.uk>
cvs-1.8.1           gone to eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us
diff-2.7            gone to Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
ed-0.2              gone to Austin Donnelly <and1000@cam.ac.uk>
file-3.19           gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
indent-1.9.1        gone to Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
jgraph-83           ORPHAN
patch-2.1           gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
sharutils-4.2       gone to branderh@debian.IAEhv.nl
symlinks-1.0        gone to chuck@richnet.net
# need ncurses for these
ae-962              ORPHAN (important)
beav-140            ORPHAN
less-290            gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
git-4.3.9           gone to Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
ee-126.1.89         gone to Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
elvis-2.0           gone to "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>
# need elf X11
xasteroids-5.0      gone to Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
# not elf-ized yet
kermit-190          gone to "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>

mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)



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Date: 30 Jun 96 15:46 UT
Format: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Priority: Low
Maintainer: Karl Ferguson <karl@tower.net.au>
Source: unarj
Version: 2.41a-4
Binary:  unarj
Architecture:  i386 source
Description:
 unarj: Unarj unarchive utility.
Changes:
 unarj: Fixed indented long description bug.
Files:
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 c5cb4b7d811f3fb636aa1d2420108ca9  15424  misc  optional  unarj-2.41a-4.i386.deb


...Karl
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If no one else wants it, I think I have room on my plate for ae. Is the
bug still outstanding?


On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Bill Mitchell wrote:

> 
> I'm afraid that I must drop off the debian project for now.
> I'm still on track to drop off the net around mid July, due
> to relocation to the Philippines, and I need to spend a larger
> portion of my time getting ready for the move.  I'm not sure
> where in the Philippines I'll end up, or whether a net connection
> will be workable from wherever that may be.  Hopefully, I'll
> be rejoining the project in a couple of months.  I'm unsubscribing
> from the lists as of today, but I'll still be reachable by email
> for the next couple of weeks.
> 
> I've been involved in the debian project since day one, and it's
> been a good experience.  We've produced a top-notch distribution,
> but it's still got some rough edges.  I think some of those rough
> edges would have been smoother if we'd made a few design decisions
> differently.  In those areas where the rough edges really matter,
> the design decisions which they grow out of will get re-thought to
> smooth out the roughness.  That's already happened in a couple of
> areas.
> 
> Most of my packages have found homes.  I have three packages left,
> one of which is an important one.  I'm afraid that they're now
> orphans.  The following is disposition information on my former
> packages:
> 
> bc-1.03             gone to Austin Donnelly <and1000@cam.ac.uk>
> cvs-1.8.1           gone to eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us
> diff-2.7            gone to Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
> ed-0.2              gone to Austin Donnelly <and1000@cam.ac.uk>
> file-3.19           gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
> indent-1.9.1        gone to Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
> jgraph-83           ORPHAN
> patch-2.1           gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
> sharutils-4.2       gone to branderh@debian.IAEhv.nl
> symlinks-1.0        gone to chuck@richnet.net
> # need ncurses for these
> ae-962              ORPHAN (important)
> beav-140            ORPHAN
> less-290            gone to "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com>
> git-4.3.9           gone to Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
> ee-126.1.89         gone to Steve Greenland <stevegr@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
> elvis-2.0           gone to "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>
> # need elf X11
> xasteroids-5.0      gone to Klee Dienes <klee@sedona.com>
> # not elf-ized yet
> kermit-190          gone to "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>
> 
> mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
> 
> 
> 
> 


Dwarf

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aka   Dale Scheetz                   Phone:   1 (904) 877-0257
      Flexible Software              Fax:     NONE 
      Black Creek Critters           e-mail:  dwarf@polaris.net

------------ If you don't see what you want, just ask --------------


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Bill Mitchell <mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com> writes:

OK, I'll take this one.

> jgraph-83           ORPHAN

Good luck Bill.  Hope your move goes well.

--
Rob


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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

>If no one else wants it, I think I have room on my plate for ae. Is the
>bug still outstanding?

You're the first one to speak up, so I guess it's yours.

I've cleared the multi-arch compatability bug in ae, and made
similar changes to clear the same problem in my other two orphaned
packages, beav and jgraph.

On ae -- I'm out of touch with the upstream author.  He was formerly
reachable as Anthony Howe <achowe@sentex.net>, but he dropped off
the net back in February due to relocation to France.  He was
expecting to be back in touch in May, but I haven't heard from him.

The ae "upstream sources" are a private set of sources which grew
out of Anthony's bugfix work on things which turned up as ae was
shaken down in Debian.  He hadn't made a public release with that
source set before he dropped out of touch.



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Arrrrgh!!  Sorry.


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I've unsubscribed, so this may not get through.  If it does make
it, it'll let the group know that my remaining three packages have
been picked up by:

jgraph-83           gone to Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu>
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Austin Donnelly wrote: 
> Package: cron 
> Version: 3.0pl1-32 
> 
> Recently, the checksecurity script bundled with cron was changed to
> not scan NFS servers.
> 
> However, the regexp used to parse the output of "mount" is not quite
> right, and still fails to exculde the NFS servers.
> [correction snipped] 
> Could the maintainer of the package (now Steve Greenland?) please make
> this change.

Sorry about that. Thanks for the correction, I'll upload it this
afternoon (6/30).

Steve Greenland

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Dominik Kubla wrote:
> [checksecurity still descends down NFS links]
> And while we are at it: The same goes for AFS, ALEX and AMD filesystems,
> so please make the script ignore the AFS filetype and the following
> directories:
> 
>   /a
>   /afs
>   /alex
>   /amd
>   /n
>   /net
> 
> These directories have a special meaning to the named software products.

They're also perfectly legitimate directory names having nothing
to do with the named software products. I'll try to trap the afs
type (not having access to that, will the nfs filter work by
replacing 'nfs' with 'afs'?). However, it is my opinion that
filtering by name is something best left to the individual
administrator.

Maybe some sort of config file is needed here? '/etc/checksecurity.conf'?
Any objections? I'm thinking that checksecurity could source
checksecurity.conf, which at present would define the single
envirnoment variable FILTER, which would in turn be the argument
to 'grep -vE'. If later additions were needed, it would be pretty
straight forward.

In fact, I should probably build FILTER up out of FILTER_TYPES,
FILTER_OPTIONS, and FILTER_DIRS.  Other ideas?

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Sven Rudolph wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Package: cern-httpd
> Version: 3.0-6
> 
> On upgrade httpdconfig is run. If there is no Welcome.html it creates
> one.
> 
> However our legacy WWW data uses index.html as directory entry point. 
> CERN httpd first looks for Welcome.html, then for index.html, so our
> WWW server provided the wrong page.
> 
> httpdconfig should only install Welcome.html when neither Welcome.html
> nor index.html (and probably other files used in the same way by CERN
> httpd or other httpd's) exists. When this isn't reliable enough, it
> should at least ask whether it really shall install Welcome.html.
> 

Ok, by default cern-httpd looks for Welcome.html, welcome.html, and
index.html, in that order. If any of those is installed, I'll not install
Welcome.html. If an admin has changed the default to something else, then
they can change the order as well, so I'm not going to worry about
that case, OK? (In other words, if you have the entry 

Welcome     {Welcome.html, hithere.html}

in your cern-http.conf file, you could just as easily reverse it.)

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Steve Greenland:
> Maybe some sort of config file is needed here? '/etc/checksecurity.conf'?

This might be an appropriate time to start thinking again about
/etc/default (under whatever name).  If I remember correctly, someone
told us that one of the commercial vendors (or SVR4?) has a directory
/etc/default, with shell scripts that set certain variables.  This is
used for configuration.  When a program (script) needs the configuration,
it sources the script.  One of the benefits is that there's a lot of
potential small configuration files like this, and it could be a bit
neater to put them into the same directory.

Examples:

	/etc/init.d/boot
		- is hardware clock GMT or local time?
		- should /etc/motd be updated automatically?
		
	httpd: what's the document directory? (if you don't want
	/home/httpd-data)
	
	/etc/init.d/console: name of font and keymap
	
	/etc/init.d/network: network configuration
	
The point is that it is often easier to have the configuration and
the script using it separate -- you can replace the script, but you
don't have to make the user edit the new script to have the old
configuration data.

However, each script should have some sensible builtin defaults:

	if test -f /etc/default/checksecurity
	then
		. /etc/default/checksecurity
	else
		FS_DENY='nfs afs'
		DIR_DENY=''
		...
	fi

At least on my system, /etc/default already exists, and has the file
/etc/default/console in it.



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In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960626155818.14485E-100000@koma.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Juergen Menden" at Jun 26, 96 06:28:51 pm
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Juergen Menden wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > 
> > The Debian Source Format could be composed of:
> > 
> > 1. A control file. This would most likely be a diff file sufficient to
> > reconstruct the Debianized source tree from the original pristine source
> > tree.
> > 2. A tar.gz file containing the original pristine source tree.
> 
> bingo. thats it. the only point is, that these files should 
> _not_ be included in a single source format! 

Let me weigh in with another vote for keeping two files: the original
sources (not necessarily in their original form), and the 'debianize'
file. The 'debianize' file could be a patch file along with a list
of files that need their permissions changed and what those
permissions would be. The dpkg suite would contain a tool to extract
the patches (maybe just a callable gunzip/tar), apply the patches
(probably just call patch, right?), and then apply those permissions.If
you let the user choose whether to do the steps all at once or
individually, then the user could look at the patches before they
we're applied, and then look at the permissions file before _they_
we're applied. The only trust required would be in dpkg, and if
you don't trust dpkg, then you can't use Debian anyway, right?

My opinion is that anybody who wants to look at source is probably
sufficiently competent to figure out how to get two files instead of
one.

Ian, I realize I'm creating extra work for you....but I think
that (original source + debianize) does make more sense than
(debian source + undebianize). 

SteveG

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I think two additional functions to the bug handling system would be nice:

send the outstanding bugs for a package
send the outstanding bugs for a maintainer

(If that functionality is already there, then it needs to be
mentioned in the help response.)

SteveG

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"Christian Hudon wrote:"
> 
> Package: fvwm
> Version: 1.24r-24
> 
> Fvwm shouldn't recommend (nor even suggest, IMO) another version of
> itself (i.e. fvwm2).

Hmm, I'm not so sure.  In principle you are correct, but the fvwm2 package
has all the pixmaps needed by fvwm-1.24 and fvwm won't run without them
(at least not with my .fvwmrc).  So unless the packages are reworked
there may need to be a /dependency/ on fvwm2.

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You (Lars Wirzenius) wrote:
> Steve Greenland:
> > Maybe some sort of config file is needed here? '/etc/checksecurity.conf'?
> 
> This might be an appropriate time to start thinking again about
> /etc/default (under whatever name).  If I remember correctly, someone
> told us that one of the commercial vendors (or SVR4?) has a directory
> /etc/default, with shell scripts that set certain variables.  This is

Yes yes yes. Let's do this, but we'll have to be sure we are compatible
with other systems. I think the shadow package also wants /etc/default,
and so does mgetty. I for one would be very happy with /etc/default/boot
etc. for the init scripts!

Unless ofcourse has a better proposal, which wouldn't surprise me given
the neat ideas that are part of debian already ;)

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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote:

> Ian Jackson said:
> > We *must* provide a tree which contains only the most rcently
> > bug-fixed versions of everything, and we *must not* require people to
> > download broken packages only to have to download good ones too.
> 
> ok. This is important, and I hadn't thought of it. But:

yeah. i can see both sides of this issue, and am still undecided as to
what i think is best. i tend towards agreeing with ian, mostly because
the debian version number is IMHO completely irrelevant - our version
differentiation is much more granular than that...it's the package
versions which matter, not the total distribution version.

however, i don't think it would be a good idea to change the way
things are currently done without a lot of promotion of the the ideas
behind dpkg.  I talk to a lot of people about debian, and most are
very happy with the improvement over their old slackware or redhat
system...BUT...they haven't yet figured out what dpkg allows them to do.

Debian is not just a different distribution, it's a different *type* of
distribution.  All other dists that i know of (with the single exception
of redhat) are monolithic beasts, with little or no control over the
individual software components.

The packaging system (and all the thought that went into it) is debian's
number 1 feature - it's even more important than the fact that debian
as a whole is well designed and all the parts are generally much better
integrated with each other than on other distributions.

As far as I am concerned, Debian is dpkg/dselect + base.  All other
packages are optional plug-in modules to add various types of
functionality to the base system...

this is not meant to put down the efforts of all the package developers
(including myself)...it's just an explanation of what i think is a good
way to look at what debian is.

> > There is no reason why we need to freeze the stuff in buzz, apart from
> > the `1.1 must mean 1.1' idea, which has no practical benefit.
> 
> It does for CD manufacturers and Consultants like myself:
> 
> Client: "I have a problem with my system."
> Me: "Which version of Debian do you have?"
> Client: "Debian 1.1"
> Me: "Yeah, but which version of Debian 1.1?"
> 
> What a headache. It would be better for them to be able to say:
> 
> Client: "I've got Debian 1.1, and I've upgraded the following packages..."

Client: I've got Debian 1.1, and I've upgraded the following packages...

You:    "debian 1.1" doesn't really tell me much.  Can you type:
            dpkg -l | mail -s "versions" scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca

Client: OK.  done.

You:    aha.  i see you have foo-1.2-3.  Your problem was fixed in a later
        version.  You need to upgrade to 1.2-5.  I've attached a copy
        to this message, save it to a file and run 'dpkg -i' on it to
        upgrade.  You've also got old versions of the following packages
        <list>, which really should be upgraded.  You can get them from
        <ftpsite>.


If you're doing this sort of thing on several machines it shouldn't be
too hard to write a script to be run daily from cron which mails 'dpkg
-l' to a custom database program on your machine...then you will always
have an up-to-date summary of what is installed on all of your clients'
debian machines.


Craig


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I've been reading the discussion ...

Firstly, I'm glad to have disposed of the `byte-for-byte original
source archive' idea (and that some of the people I thought were
advocating this were merely advocating that we should be able to
extract the original source files somehow from our source archive,
perhaps in a differently named directory or some such).

It seems to me that the `we want a single file' idea is perhaps
starting to be a problem, and that some of the alternatives people
have suggested may have some merit.

I'll therefore describe to you an alternative proposal to the one I
described last weekend (the one with a single `ar' archive).  I'd like
to see more discussion about this, as I'm still not convinced that all
the possible issues have been raised.

Please don't bother having long flamewars about the merits of one
thing versus another if you're just trying to convince the other
people of your correctness.  It's me and Bruce you need to convince, I
think :-).

Here's the alternative I've dreamed up:

* The source package is three files:

 - hello_1.4-3.dsc
  DSC= Debian Source Control (suggestions for better extensions
  welcome).  This contains a dchanges/debian.control-like format, for
  example:
    Source: hello
    Version: 1.4-3
    Architecture: any
    Depends: gcc         { standard dpkg control file syntax }
    Generates: hello     { names of binary packages, comma-separated }
    Data-MD5sums:
     faa56f7d564b1972f66a2d17ddf97413  hello_1.3-4.diff.gz
     d2cb670eee141fc08eaa4a794b8b68fe  hello_1.3.orig.tar.gz
  This would optionally be PGP-signed.  The `Architecture: any' means
  that the source is arch-independent, but the binary isn't.
  `Architecture: all' would mean it was a truly arch-independent
  package (documentation, for example).

 - hello_1.3-4.diff.gz
  The Debianisation diff, as we have now.

 - hello_1.3.orig.tar.gz
  The original source code, reorganised if necessary into a tarfile
  that unpacks into a subdirectory called hello-1.3 or perhaps
  hello_1.3.

* Issues:
 - Perhaps we need to think again about these hyphens in the context
  of source packages, so that we can distribute GNU source tarfiles
  unchanged.

 - Uploading a new package which only has changes to the diff becomes
  trivial.  You have to supply a new .dsc and a new .diff.gz, but you
  can just name the old original source in the .dsc.

 - We need a dpkg-source script to unpack the tarfile and apply the
  diff safely (and it can automatically change debian.rules to be
  exectutable), but people can do it themselves if they want.  Also,
  we need a dpkg-source script which runs diff and checks that there
  are no differences that diff can't handle (deleted files, retargeted
  links, &c).

 - We need to store the .dsc somewhere when the source is `opened up',
  ie, made into a filesystem tree.  Either this should be put
  somewhere when dpkg-source unpacks an archive, or perhaps it should
  have some canonical name in the Debianized source archive
  (debian.sourcecontrol perhaps).  The dpkg-source script can produce
  the Data-MD5sums and Version fields, and check the Source field, so
  only Soource, Architecture, Depends and Generates would be needed
  here.

* As a reminder, the `one file' format I favour at the moment is an `ar'
archive with members for the control file, diff, original source
tarfile and optionally signature.

Ian.


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I'm absolutely convinced that we need a `buzz-fixed' directory, to
which Debian-1.1.<patchlevel> and stable are made to point.

I propose that we organise this as follows:

* Packages that need to go into buzz-fixed have in the dchanges
file `Distribution: unstable buzz-fixed' or perhaps just
`Distribution: buzz-fixed' (if the unstable tree has moved on).

* A cron job runs daily (well, out of cron.daily or scanpackages,
which can be called after upload processing as well) which

(a) Checks the buzz-fixes Packages file against the buzz one, and
generates a new Packages file which is `what should be in buzz-fixes'.

(b) If this is the same as what is in buzz-fixed it stops here.

(c) Otherwise, makes appropriate symlinks in buzz-fixed to buzz and
buzz-fixes, writes the buzz-fixed Packages file, updates the
patchlevel and replaces the Debian-1.1.<patchlevel> link with a new
one.

Comments - especially from the members of iwj-mastercron@master - are
welcome.

Ian.


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Package: netpbm
Version: 1994.03.01p1-1

I tried to find a way to make the netpbm tools supplied in the package
produce a file that was in the ASCII-only format described in pnm(5),
rather than the binary format, but this didn't appear to be possible.
I think it should be, perhaps as a new program or perhaps as an option
to (say) pnmcat.

Also, I couldn't find a manpage with a list of the pbm programs with a
short description of each - this would have been very helpful.

Ian.


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Brian Mays writes ("Re: kernel-source and kernel-headers packages"):
> Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> > Can't these be retired ?
...
> > Why not just ship the (debianised, obviously) source to the
> > kernels we ship as .tar.gz and .diff.gz, just like any other
> > binary package ?
> 
> Here is one thing to consider.  The kernel-source .deb file includes
> processing scripts to keep track of installed versions of the kernel
> source (when several different versions of the kernel source have been
> installed) and points the /usr/src/linux symlink to an apropriate
> kernel source directory.  A simple .tar.gz file cannot do this.

The /usr/src/linux symlink is no longer necessary for anything very
much, and in any case it seems to me that having the
most-recently-unpacked thing alway set this link to itself is bad.

But really the main problem is that a .deb package is a stunningly bad
way of distributing source code - it's exactly the kind of thing that
dpkg (and indeed almost any package management scheme for binary
packages) will have huge trouble with, because people will always be
editing it, compiling it, rm -rf'ing it, &c.

Ian.


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Package: netpbm
Version: 1994.03.01p1-1

I got a huge number of file conflicts between pbmplus (10dec91-2) and
netpbm, all for the manpages.

Either the manpages should have the suffix .1netpbm instead of .1
(though as the binaries are in /usr/bin this is probably unnecessary)
or netpbm should Conflict/Replace pbmplus so that pbmplus gets
removed (if this is appropriate) or Replace it so that the files get
overwritten without warnings (if this is appropriate).

Which of the latter two to do depends on whether pbmplus is staying
around or not.

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Ian Jackson:
> I'm absolutely convinced that we need a `buzz-fixed' directory, to
> which Debian-1.1.<patchlevel> and stable are made to point.

I'm happy if we can get one soon.

I'm not sure I understood what you meant.  Let me paraphrase what I
think you might have meant, and you'll correct me:

	1. Create buzz-fixed as a symlink copy of buzz.
	2. When a package is released that must go into buzz-fixes,
	   a symlink to it also goes to buzz-fixed.
	3. Rebuild buzz-fixes/Packages and buzz-fixed/Packages.  
	
Nothing changes under buzz, right?
	
Actually, I'm not sure we need buzz-fixes/Packages, but if we do, shouldn't
it be identical to buzz-fixed/Packages?

I have a slight preference to having the packages in buzz-fixes and
only symlinks in buzz-fixed (remember: buzz-fixed is initially just a
symlink copy of buzz), but I don't really care either way.

If I'm completely wrong, just say so.  I'm hazy on how all this works
in practice.

If I'm right, I don't think I have anything to complain about, except
that the name difference buzz-fixes and buzz-fixed is too small; perhaps
buzz-fixes and buzz-better would be better names?  (I think we already
have buzz-fixes, although my mirror is still downloading.)

> Comments - especially from the members of iwj-mastercron@master - are
> welcome.

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Mark Eichin writes ("Re: xterm_color with no colors"):
> > Why does the colour xterm package not set TERM correctly by default ?
> because I didn't know that xterm-color *existed* as a terminfo
> entry. The entry is *not* part of the xterm-color package; I have no
> idea where it comes from.
> 
> I'll put out a -5 with the utmp patch and the default term setting
> fixed sometime soon.

The xterm-color entry appears to be in ncurses-base, according to my
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Dale Scheetz writes ("Re: Bug#3422: termcap entry too long error"):
[...]
>   However, it seems to me that if
> dpkg made some kind of running log entry of it's activities, or could
> time-stamp it's installations, debugging of these two problems could
> provide adequate answers to "who did what to whom".
[...]

See
 - Bug#957
 - /usr/doc/dpkg/WISHLIST

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Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:

>   are no differences that diff can't handle (deleted files, retargeted
>   links, &c).

I don't know if "retargeted links" covers the following situation, but
don't forget about dangling symbolic links.  The GIMP upstream source
contains links to a binaries which don't exist until you build the
package.  This does not make diff happy.  I got around the problem by
just deleting the links in the upstream source before running diff,
but this is not really ideal.

--
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Dale Scheetz writes ("Re: Bug#3422: termcap entry too long error"):
> On 28 Jun 1996, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
...
> > This would be *really* good.  It'd be nice if there was also a verbose
> > option that listed exactly what files where installed where.  Not
> > necessary but rather handy...
> 
> I believe this information is already available in
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list.

He was talking, I think, about a log that would record not just which
package dpkg had most recently installed a file from, but give a
complete history.

Darren, do you have any idea how large such a log would get how
quickly ?  Even if the information in it were very minimal and brief
you could expect it to grow by at least a megabyte every time you did
an upgrade ...

The contents of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list files come to 622K on my
system.  Imagine recording that much new data, plus timestamps and
info saying whether the file was installed or removed &c and the
package name, added to the log every time your system goes through a
new release generation.  You'd be adding 50-100K or so every time you
upgraded ncurses, for a start ...

Ian.


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>>"Ian" == Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:

Ian> The /usr/src/linux symlink is no longer necessary for anything
Ian> very much, and in any case it seems to me that having the
Ian> most-recently-unpacked thing alway set this link to itself is
Ian> bad.

	Umm, I could not think of another scheme that was better ;-),
 and I think it works for most people most of the time.

Ian> But really the main problem is that a .deb package is a
Ian> stunningly bad way of distributing source code - it's exactly the
Ian> kind of thing that dpkg (and indeed almost any package management
Ian> scheme for binary packages) will have huge trouble with, because
Ian> people will always be editing it, compiling it, rm -rf'ing it,
Ian> &c.

	Well, yes, but .deb packages are how we distribute packaged
 products to the debian users (most methods of delivering such
 products to the end-user are focussed on .deb format (dftp, dpkg-ftp,
 and cdrom distributors)), so if Debian is to provide the sources, it
 should be in this form (I dislike to think that there is a special
 case made for the kernel sources).

	  I think that there is a demand for kernel sources, and that
  we should satisfy this need, if only for completeness. Also, though
  there are not now, but there may be, in the future, packages that
  really depend on the kernel sources; and the .deb file defines a
  standard place to find kernel sources on a Debian system

	Methinks, Ian, you underestimate your creation, dpkg handles
 the sources well enough in most of the cases.  So far, I have no
 complaint about dpkg's handling of the sources, indeed, people savvy
 enough to edit kernel sources are usually savvy enough to understand
 why dpkg is complaining about extra files while deleting the source
 package (indeed, one may edit the sources almost at will, with no ill
 effect, only adding files seems to discomfit dpkg).

	manoj

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Hi,

	Sometimes a diff file alone is not enough to change the
 original sources to the debianized sources, permissions on
 debian.rules is one that has been noted. I remember interim
 "unofficial" version of perl being distributed as shell scripts that
 performed a few actions (deleting/renaming files, etc), unshared to
 the [atch file, and applied the patch.

	Could this be useful? The dsc file could contain the
 information just as Ian proposed, but say
 % ./package.dsc 
 to generate the debian sources (with proper permissions for
 debian.rules) from the orig and diff files automatically.

	manoj
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In message <m0uaVXF-0002DXC@plato> you write:
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Wouldn't it be more conformant to call this package netpbm-dev?
I think it makes things a little more readable.

(Just to keep in line with the libs, for instance)

Cheers,

--Amos

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Hi,

	I do not want to get into a my-conf-system-is-better-than-yours
 flamewar, but ..

>>"Mark" == Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:
Mark> Actually, one of these days I *might* just port the perl build
Mark> process to use autoconf. Perl metaconfig/Configure asks a lot of
Mark> questions to which (1) it already knows the answer (2) the user
Mark> *won't* know the answer...

	The perl Configure may be made as quiet as autoconf is,
 and as non-interactive, if you wish, at runtime.  The option of
 asking the user remains, and at time the user *does* know better.

	The verbosity is a matter of taste.  I prefer to be informed
 of what is going on, and am not intimidated by the complexity, and I
 like the flexibility of a sytem that allows me to pander my curiosity
 and paronia ;-).

Mark> Most perl builds I do I use the gnu-style configure anyhow, so
Mark> it doesn't matter much.  But yes, I think perl would be *better
Mark> off* using autoconf.  _Mark_
	
	I believe that the ``gnu-style configure'' is just some
 options to Configure, which then tries to emulate autoconf.  I think
 that metaconfig's Configure scripts are more powerful that aoutoconf,
 but that is merely an opinion.

	I also find it easier to write modules to extend metaconfig,
 but that could be a matter of taste. All I suggested was that we not
 dismiss metaconfig out of hand.

	manoj	
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Chris Lawrence Amshey wrote:

> Package: xinvaders
> Version: 1.3-1
> 
> The xinvaders distribution will not run with the current debian
> distribution; It claims that libXaw.so.6 does not exist:
> 
> # xinvaders
> xinvaders: can't find library 'libXaw.so.6'

Have you installed the xcompat package?

--------------------------------------------------------------------

jkr1003:~$ dpkg -s xcompat
Package: xcompat
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Maintainer: Stephen Early <sde1000@cam.ac.uk>
Version: 3.1.2-4
Provides: X11R5, xr5shlib, aout-x11r6lib, X11R6
Conflicts: xr5shlib
Description: X11R5 and X11R6 a.out compatibility libraries
 This package provides shared libraries for X11R5 (also called X386) and
 for the a.out version of X11R6. You need to install it if you intend to
 use binaries linked with the old versions of these libraries.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

This should cure your problems, but I agree; in the long run xinvaders
should be recompiled for ELF. 

Jon.



