Subject: Re: Overrides confusions

From: Guy Maor <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:03:48 -0500 (CDT)

On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> mingetty is in the base directory on the FTP site, but so is getty.
> Which of these should be required/base and which optional/admin or
> extra/admin ?

getty (really agetty) is required/base.  The other is admin.

> The lib{jpeg6a,png1,gr}-dev and svgalib1-dev packages are in devel at
> the moment, but I think they should be in graphics.  I'll move these
> too.

In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.

> I know that open has been withdrawn.  I'll remove it to a new
> `obsolete' directory (there didn't seem to be one when I looked
> yesterday) when nomis (the NFS server) is back.  Is vlock still
> current ?

/home/Debian/ftp/private/project/obsolete.

Note that this dir is not available from anon ftp.  That's good,
right?  I don't know about vlock.

Guy

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 19:00 EDT

Guy>  In the past, all foo-dev packages were put in devel.  It should be
  Guy> policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.

That clashes with the "put what is on the base floppies into base" rule. 

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From: Guy Maor <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:15:51 -0500 (CDT)

> That clashes with the "put what is on the base floppies into base" rule. 

ok, how about this:

If a library package foo is in base, foo-dev should go in devel.
Otherwise both foo and foo-dev should go in the same section.

Guy

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From: Ian Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 02:40 BST

> Otherwise both foo and foo-dev should go in the same section.

I agree with this and am minded to implement it.

Ian.

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From: Marek Michalkiewicz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:08:23 +0200 (MET DST)

> yesterday) when nomis (the NFS server) is back.  Is vlock still

There is a new upstream version, vlock-0.9, which contains patches
I sent to the author.  It has some bug fixes, actually works (wow!)
and supports shadow passwords better (just compile with -DSHADOW_PWD
and install it setuid root - and it should work with both shadow and
non-shadow passwords; it drops root privileges as soon as possible).

I think we should upgrade vlock to the current upstream version.
If no one else does it, I might do it myself, it's a small package.

Marek

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From: Michael Meskes <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:40:33 +0200 (MET DST)

Ian Jackson writes:
> I think weblint ought to be in net, not text.  I'll move it.

Shouldn't this be in devel?

Michael

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From: Ian Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:51 BST

...
> getty (really agetty) is required/base.  The other is admin.

Right.  mingetty is extra/admin now.

...
> policy that all foo-dev packages go in the same section as foo.

I've done this, except where the foo package is in base.

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> /home/Debian/ftp/private/project/obsolete.

`open' is here now.

Ian.

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From: Ian Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:54 BST

Peter Tobias writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > There are many packages in misc which IMO shouldn't be there.  lsof,
> > vlock and news should be in admin.  cdwrite should be in devel.  I'll
> > move these if noone objects.
> 
> Why should cdwrite be in devel? It has nothing to do with "development".
> I prefer misc or admin.

cdwrite is for development of cd's, isn't it ?

I don't see how it fits into admin, so if it's not devel I suppose
misc will have to do.

Stephen Early writes ("Location of cdwrite package"):
> cdwrite ought to be in the same section as mkisofs.

Indeed.

So, should I put them both in misc then, or is devel appropriate ?

Ian.

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From: Ian Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 18:00 BST

> Shouldn't this be in devel?

devel ?  Umm.

In general the policy I've been following is that (since devel tends
to be something of a catch-all) things should go somewhere other than
devel if they belong there.  Otherwise many things from x11, text,
graphics, &c ought to go in devel ...

[email-masked] writes ("Re: Overrides confusions"):
> weblint is a html checker and html is a hypertext markup language,
> it is used on the net a lot of course but I would say that it should
> stay in text.

Well, in net we already have mime-support, w3-el, netscape and lynx.
It seems to me that having an HTML checker outside the net category
will just confuse things - surely it ought to be in the same section ?

Incidentally, I've just noticed lpr in the net section.  Shouldn't
this be in admin or perhaps misc ?

Ian.

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From: "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <[email-masked]>
Date: 06 Jun 1996 11:40:44 -0700

>Shouldn't this be in devel?

No.  Weblint is for linting HTML.  I can see a case for either net or
text with a small preference for net.  It's not really a development
tool anymore than say an editor is.

Darren
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From: "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <[email-masked]>
Date: 06 Jun 1996 11:48:09 -0700

>I don't see how it fits into admin, so if it's not devel I suppose

I thought devel was for programming tools not for I'm using it to
develop Y.  (Normally, I use X as my variable, but that would be rather
confusing in this context.)

Darren

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From: Ian Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 17:58 BST

OK, cdwrite and mkisofs are both now extra/misc.

Ian.

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From: Dominik Kubla <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 12:21:10 +0200

>>>>> Guy Maor writes:

>>On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:
[...]

> right?  I don't know about vlock.

vlock will be merged with kbd AFTER the release of Debian 1.1.

Dominik

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From: Dominik Kubla <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 12:42:47 +0200

>>>>> Marek Michalkiewicz writes:

> There is a new upstream version, vlock-0.9, which contains patches I
> sent to the author.  It has some bug fixes, actually works (wow!)

> I think we should upgrade vlock to the current upstream version.  If
> no one else does it, I might do it myself, it's a small package.

I will upgrade vlock and merge it with kbd. But i think we are currently
in a pre-release codefreeze, aren't we?

BTW. Shall i rename kbd, because of the extend of changes made to the
package?  I am not sure. In any case i will try to contact the upstream
maintainer to see if he will accept our changes.

Later,
  Dominik

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From: Dominik Kubla <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 12:48:49 +0200

>>>>> "Darren/Torin/Who Ever " writes:

> No.  Weblint is for linting HTML.  I can see a case for either net
> or text with a small preference for net.  It's not really a
> development tool anymore than say an editor is.

Since HTML is only a DTD of SGML and not necessarily used in a
networking environment, it should go to section text. Consider it a
sort of sophisticated spell checker ... ;-)

Dominik

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From: Ian Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 96 19:16 BST

Dominik Kubla writes ("Re: Overrides confusions "):
...
> in a pre-release codefreeze, aren't we?

Yes.

> maintainer to see if he will accept our changes.

I don't know whether you want to rename it, but don't do it now :-).

Ian.