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Hi,

I am wondering how I should set the permissions for /var/spool/mail
if I want to use Netscape Mail. The debian base system has it set to
drwxrwsr-t (user=root group=mail). However, this does not work with
Netscape Mail. Netscape suggests setting it to mode 01777 ie drwxrwxrwt. 

What is the suitable arrangement which satisfies debian concerns of
security?

--Derek Lee

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> I am wondering how I should set the permissions for /var/spool/mail
> if I want to use Netscape Mail. The debian base system has it set to
> drwxrwsr-t (user=root group=mail). However, this does not work with
> Netscape Mail. Netscape suggests setting it to mode 01777 ie drwxrwxrwt.
> 
> What is the suitable arrangement which satisfies debian concerns of
> security?

First, use the "Netscape" debian package.

Second, do _not_ change the permissions of /var/spool/mail.  The permissions
that Netscape suggests introduce a small security hole where one user could
potentially gain complete access to another's mail.  (It's small, but true.)
The permissions in the Debian system are correct.

Third, under "Mail & News Preferences", select the "external movemail
program" and set it to "/usr/lib/netscape/movemail".

                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

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I was using my linux box today and noticed that
when I logged out on a tty the boo  login prompt
did not return. I then rebooted and all of a sudden
the kernel stoips booting at INIT: Booting v2.61.
It stops here and will go no further. I updated
a couple of packages like quota, cvs and a couple
of others. Is there some way to get this to reboot
without re-installing. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Dale Miller

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> > how did you capture the output?
> 
> I wrote it by hand. But by the side, capturing the booting output to a file
> would make sense.

`man 8 dmesg`

Todd Lewis

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Is there a debian package of PGP2.6.3i? 
(Is it located outside US? I have only looked at US ftp servers.)

ALso, is there a debian package for MailCrypt (Emacs/PGP interface)?
I found a package for auto-pgp, but it appears that I have to use
emacs rmail to take advantage of it...

--Derek Lee

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> > Hello,
> >   I have an old AMD' 80386 40MHz with 4MB of RAM and I really like
> > to install Linux on it. I spent some time looking around and
> > then I decided to proceed with the Debian distribution.
> > Got the five disks of the 0.93R6 version I started the installation 
> > but with no success at all.
> > I disabled all the option for shadowing ROM and I deleted all
> > the data on the HD (Conner CP30104 121MB) before to start.
> > Then I ran the boot and root disks (created with dd ...).
> 
> Why don't you try installing Debian 1.1 beta instead of 0.93R6? It's
> located in the unstable directory of your friendly Debian mirror site.
> but don't be misled by the 'unstable' name... 1.1 is now in late beta and
> is quite stable now. And the installation process has been improved quite
> a bit in 1.1.

I do agree. You really should go for 1.1 beta. This version is supposed 
to work with only 4mb. There have been recent changes in the setup 
procedure to ensure that it is possible to install with 4mb. If it doesnt 
work than something is definetely broken (Even win95 can be installed on 
4mb machines :-) Please tell the mailing list if you are succesful with 
1.1 beta. (BTW: Wenn will 1.1 be released?)

YOurs,
martin

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Since upgrading netstd to version 2.03-1, I'm getting the following error out
of traceroute:

traceroute: IP_HDRINCL: Protocol not available

Is this because I'm still running a 1.2.13 kernel? Is the above protocol
something new in 1.3.xx?


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While using man to read a manpage I am not able to scroll backwards a page
by using "b" or "^B".  Has anyone else experienced this?  My current
version of man is 2.3.10-11.  If I just use "more" to read a text file,
everything works fine.

Richard

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> Also perhaps how I could also start my sendmail configuration
> as if I only just installed it. I seem to have edited it
> too many times and cant put it back the right way.
> ie Do I deselect it, remove it and then reinstate it ?

You should be able to reconfigure sendmail by running `sendmailconfig'.

To recover the "installation defaults," first remove or rename the file:

  /etc/mail/sendmail.mc

and then run `sendmailconfig'.

-- 
Robert Leslie
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> BTW: When will 1.1 be released?

I am uploading yet another pass at the installation floppies today.
We're also dealing with some FTP site problems. I'm going to make a new
"stable" archive this week, and will let that propogate out to all of
the FTP mirrors. We then will give it a few more days of testing and make
the release.

	Bruce
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I think "more" won't scroll back when it is reading a pipe, only when
it is reading a file. Man drives it with a pipe.

	Bruce
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Bruce Perens AB6YM          Bruce@Pixar.com            http://www.hams.com/

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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Richard Lovison wrote:

> While using man to read a manpage I am not able to scroll backwards a page
> by using "b" or "^B".  Has anyone else experienced this?  My current
> version of man is 2.3.10-11.  If I just use "more" to read a text file,
> everything works fine.

more can't go backwards on unseekable files, like pipes for example.
(man pipes the data out to the viewer so it'll start up faster.)

less doesn't have this deficiency.  Use it with man by setting the
PAGER environment variable to `less'.


Guy

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IP forwarding used to work just fine and now it won't.
The output of ifconfig and route _look_ ok and I can't
think what is wrong.
IP-forwarding was enabled in the make config, but how 
can I tell if it actually  in the kernel?
All ideas welcome.

Lindsay

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Scott Barker <scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> writes:
> traceroute: IP_HDRINCL: Protocol not available

I've also noticed this under 1.2.13. (the same package works fine on
my 1.3.79 machine, and I should really update both kernels...)

There are actually a number of "unstable" packages that don't work
under 1.2.13 -- most have explicit dependencies (diald used to, for
example) but some don't. BIND, for example, needs the "ip_options"
support that was added in 1.3 (though I've submitted a reasonably
clean fix for that, I understand if there isn't much interest in it.)
Certainly once 2.0 comes out I'll give up and upgrade :-)

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Hi, 

on a quite recently installed Debian-1.1 box I sometimes encounter the
following.

koko:/root>>> ping us1by-6
PING us1by-6 (156.53.107.26): 56 data bytes

--- us1by-6 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

Socket destroy delayed (r=0 w=1340)
||||||||||||||||||||||

I never saw this before ! Anything to worry about ? 
My netbase is version 2.02-1.

Gerd

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In article <9606011813.AA12173@mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca>,
Dale Miller  <dale@csd.uwo.ca> wrote:
>I was using my linux box today and noticed that
>when I logged out on a tty the boo  login prompt
>did not return. I then rebooted and all of a sudden
>the kernel stoips booting at INIT: Booting v2.61.
>It stops here and will go no further. I updated
>a couple of packages like quota, cvs and a couple
>of others. Is there some way to get this to reboot
>without re-installing. Any help would be appreciated.

You probably deleted one or more files from /dev by accident..
boot from the boot/root set, mount your root file system under
/mnt and execute MAKEDEV in /mnt/dev.

Mike.
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Mark Eichin said:
> There are actually a number of "unstable" packages that don't work
> under 1.2.13 -- most have explicit dependencies (diald used to, for
> example) but some don't. BIND, for example, needs the "ip_options"
> support that was added in 1.3 (though I've submitted a reasonably
> clean fix for that, I understand if there isn't much interest in it.)

Interesting. I've had no problems at all with BIND... 
Guess I may have to bite the bullet and use a development kernel if 2.x
doesn't come out real soon...

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In article <m0uQ5JW-000EBPC@nana.rw.sni.de> you write:
>Hi, 
>
>on a quite recently installed Debian-1.1 box I sometimes encounter the
>following.
>
>koko:/root>>> ping us1by-6
>PING us1by-6 (156.53.107.26): 56 data bytes
>
>--- us1by-6 ping statistics ---
>5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
>
>Socket destroy delayed (r=0 w=1340)
>||||||||||||||||||||||
>
>I never saw this before ! Anything to worry about ? 
>My netbase is version 2.02-1.

This is a kernel problem, well known about by the kernel
developers. The very latest kernels seem not to have this problem, so
they may have fixed it.

What kernel version are you running? (uname -a will tell you)

I used to have this problem, but it went away when I switched to
kernel version 1.99.5.

Try installing the kernel-image-1.99.7-0.deb package (when it is moved
out of the Incoming directory).

Austin

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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Richard Lovison wrote:
> 
> > While using man to read a manpage I am not able to scroll backwards a page
> > by using "b" or "^B". 
> 
> more can't go backwards on unseekable files, like pipes for example.
> (man pipes the data out to the viewer so it'll start up faster.)
 
Hmmm.  If my memory serves me right I was able to do this on my old
Slackware setup and I am currently able to do this on my provider's system
which is running System V Release 4.0.  BTW, this is not a complaint,
just a statement indicating my confusion and ignorance. :) 

> less doesn't have this deficiency.  Use it with man by setting the 
> PAGER environment variable to `less'.

I'll do this.  Thanks for the help. ----Richard 

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Derek Lee <dkklee@mit.edu> writes:

> ALso, is there a debian package for MailCrypt (Emacs/PGP interface)?
> I found a package for auto-pgp, but it appears that I have to use
> emacs rmail to take advantage of it...
> 

I uploaded a mailcrypt package last weekend, mailcrypt-3.4-1.all.deb.


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Gerd Bavendiek wrote:
> on a quite recently installed Debian-1.1 box I sometimes encounter the
> following.
> 
> koko:/root>>> ping us1by-6
> PING us1by-6 (156.53.107.26): 56 data bytes
> 
> --- us1by-6 ping statistics ---
> 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
> 
> Socket destroy delayed (r=0 w=1340)
> ||||||||||||||||||||||
> 
> I never saw this before ! Anything to worry about ? 
> My netbase is version 2.02-1.

It's a kernel problem. If you just get a few of these messages it's
ok. If you get a lot of them you should update your kernel.


Thanks,

Peter

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Gerd Bavendiek <bav@rw.sni.de> writes:

> on a quite recently installed Debian-1.1 box I sometimes encounter the
> following.
> 
> koko:/root>>> ping us1by-6
> PING us1by-6 (156.53.107.26): 56 data bytes
> 
> --- us1by-6 ping statistics ---
> 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
> 
> Socket destroy delayed (r=0 w=1340)
> ||||||||||||||||||||||
> 
> I never saw this before ! Anything to worry about ? 
> My netbase is version 2.02-1.

We had this on the machines in the lab for a short while.  I believe
it went away when we changed to a newer kernel version.  (I can't
remember for sure though, it could have been some newer debian
package.)

--
Rob

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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> >>"Brian" == Brian C White <bcwhite@verisim.com> writes:
> 
> >> >> There is indeed a Debian-ized version of the kernel. The package
> >> is >> called kernel-image.

I'm still looking for this kernel-image package.  Can't find it in the ls-lR
files.

> 
> >> You could also grab the raw source and use kernel-package package
> >> to generate your new image package.  This is the recommended method
> >> for generating custom kernel images.

This sounds much more like it.

Now what about support for multiple kernels?  Is it possible to have a
rule to install the new kernel *near* (instead of over) other kernels, or
even near other compiles of same kernel?  You must know the urge to keep
at least one prooven kernel around in case the new one crashes.

As it is now, it looks like ytou have to manually shift /System.map and
/vmlinuz and add entries to lilo.conf, or am I missing something?

Cheers,

-- 
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amos@dsi.co.il                  |  by the finest judges in England."
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> > I do agree. You really should go for 1.1 beta. This version is supposed
> 
> Then maybe the warning signs in the ftp sites should be updated?  Back when
> I went for Debian I saw lots of them lying around (and so I went to 0.93R6,
> which indeed prooved less stable than "unstable"), as well as when I mirrored
> unstable 1.1.
> 

I also do agree here!
1.1 went to public beta a while ago. This should be mentioned on the 
mirror sites in an  apropriate way.

Yours,
martin

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I started with slack 3 and the 1.2.13 kernel. I have since updated
libraries, binutils, module utilities and the kernel (1.3.100). I
have to boot 1.2.13 to make anything. I get a floating point exception
when I type "ps aux". I have a 386 without FPU. I thought I would try
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newer kernel because it supports virtual IP ( that is working fine).

Thanks
Paul Wade

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Hi,

	I have seen this with the latest net packages in most version
since 1.3.95, I think.  Still happens at 1.99.8, but less so than some
earlier kernels. I have yet to boot 1.99.10.

	Hasn't caused my any problems, but YMMV.

		manoj
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Martin Konold wrote:
> > Why don't you try installing Debian 1.1 beta instead of 0.93R6? It's
> > located in the unstable directory of your friendly Debian mirror site.
> > but don't be misled by the 'unstable' name... 1.1 is now in late beta and
> > is quite stable now. And the installation process has been improved quite
> > a bit in 1.1.
> 
> I do agree. You really should go for 1.1 beta. This version is supposed
> YOurs,
> martin

Then maybe the warning signs in the ftp sites should be updated?  Back when
I went for Debian I saw lots of them lying around (and so I went to 0.93R6,
which indeed prooved less stable than "unstable"), as well as when I mirrored
unstable 1.1.

Cheers.

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amos@dsi.co.il                  |  by the finest judges in England."
                                |                         -- Anonymous

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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Richard Lovison wrote:

> 
> While using man to read a manpage I am not able to scroll backwards a page
> by using "b" or "^B".  Has anyone else experienced this?  My current
> version of man is 2.3.10-11.  If I just use "more" to read a text file,
> everything works fine.
> 
If I remember correctly, this is a deficiency of more wrt pipes. You can
correct this in several ways. The simplest is to set PAGER equal to less.
Less does not have this problem and is, over all, a better pager than
more. Try it, you'll like it!

Luck,

Dwarf

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bcwhite@verisim.com (Brian C. White)  wrote on 30.05.96 in <31AE551B.1669C95D@verisim.com·2>:

> > >> There is indeed a Debian-ized version of the kernel. The package is
> > >> called kernel-image.
> >
> >         You could also grab the raw source and use kernel-package
> > package to generate your new image package.  This is the recommended
> > method for generating custom kernel images.
>
> Could you point me to exactly where this is recommended?
>
> In any case, though, I have no desire to follow this path.  I like
> building my kernel directly from the main sources.  I don't want to
> have to wait for a package to get built or apply patches to the
> debian sources.

I think you misunderstand something here. The beauty of the current scheme  
is that you can do exactly that!

Just unpack the main kernel sources, unpack the kernel-package (not kernel- 
source or kernel-image) on top of it, make config, debian.rules  
kernel_image, and dpkg -i kernel-image-whatever (but check the docs for  
the spelling, this is off my head!).

There's no need to wait for someone making a kernel-image-*.deb for you.  
You can make one yourself.

> But neither I nor some others install the Debian kernels.  We like
> building our own.

Again, there's no conflict. Really. Just have a look at it.

MfG Kai

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.93.960602090541.210A-100000@SAL9000> you write:
>
>On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Richard Lovison wrote:
>> 
>> > While using man to read a manpage I am not able to scroll backwards a page
>> > by using "b" or "^B". 
>> 
>> more can't go backwards on unseekable files, like pipes for example.
>> (man pipes the data out to the viewer so it'll start up faster.)
> 
>Hmmm.  If my memory serves me right I was able to do this on my old
>Slackware setup and I am currently able to do this on my provider's system
>which is running System V Release 4.0.  BTW, this is not a complaint,
>just a statement indicating my confusion and ignorance. :) 

Those systems maybe format the manpage to a temporary file, then
use more to view that file.  Debian's man put the formatted output
through a pipe directly to the pager, for speed.

>> less doesn't have this deficiency.  Use it with man by setting the 
>> PAGER environment variable to `less'.

Note that you can also do: 

  $ export MANOPT='-Pless'

so that you only get less when viewing manpages, not as your default
pager (if for some reason you don't like less :)

Austin

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Yes, it's time for us to remove 0.93 from the FTP site. I'll think about
this for a while before I do it, though.

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Yes, it's time for us to remove 0.93 from the FTP site. I'll think about
> this for a while before I do it, though.

I vote for not deleting it but for renaming to obsolete or old.
We should not remove the last stable version before 1.1 is released and 
proven to be stable.

What do you think?

Yours,
-- martin

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> /mnt and execute MAKEDEV in /mnt/dev.
> 
Tried that but that doesn't seem to be the problem.
What should mtab have in it after a shutdown?
I noticed that the new quota package accesses it
with the new program that makes sparse files.
Could that be a problem?

I didn't see anything particularly different
with my system when I mounted under /mnt. I
updated the quota package, cfengine, ae,
psutils just before all the problems.

Thanks for any help you can provide.
I don't want to have to re-install the
base but it looks like I might need to.
It dies just before the e2fsck checks of
all the partitions.

Dale

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Yes, it's time for us to remove 0.93 from the FTP site. I'll think about
> this for a while before I do it, though.

Lets be kind to our mirrors...... :)

We also need to move the 1.1 into place when this happens.....

Then we need to create the next generation of unstable trees whatever 
they might be called also at this time... :)

Matt

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While reading replies to my recent questions posed to debian-users, I was
once again reminded of why I chose and continue to choose to be a part of
the Debian community.  In a period of less than 24 hours I received help
and advice from others, many located in other parts of the world.  I wish
I could find this level of dedication and helpfulness in the business
world.

I would like to offer my gratitude to all those involved in the
development of Debian for creating a fine distribution of the Linux kernel
and GNU software---it is truly a pleasure to use especially when
upgrading.  I've learned a great deal about Linux and computers in
general in the process of installing and using the Slackware distribution 
and now the Debian distribution.  I've always enjoyed discovering how
`things' work and running Linux and GNU software has opened the door to
how operating systems and software work.  At the present time, I use the
system mainly to access the Internet and do some occasional text and image
processing.  Heck, I probably spend the same amount of time maintaining
the system as I do using it and usually enjoy every minute of it---well,
almost every minute. :)

There's something about Debian, Linux and the `free' software concept 
that's almost spiritual in its nature---something about uplifting the
human spirit.  Oh well, I might be venturing into the twilight zone here
but all I know is that the Debian Project is something to be cherished.
Hopefully in the near future I'll be able to contribute and give something 
back.   

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:

> Then maybe the warning signs in the ftp sites should be updated?  Back when
> I went for Debian I saw lots of them lying around (and so I went to 0.93R6,
> which indeed prooved less stable than "unstable"), as well as when I mirrored
> unstable 1.1.

My 0.93R6 system at home is the most stable linux system I have ever seen.
Now that 1.1 is nearly ready for release, I agree that it is approaching
the same level of stability.  It is true that 0.93 probably is not
compatible with some of the newer hardware and software, but it is
certainly worthy of its status as a "stable" distribution.

Regarding the removal of 0.93 from ftp sites, can't we keep it available
as an "old" distribution?  There may be some people who will want to
continue using it for some time.  

Syrus.


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Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.

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Scott Barker <scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> writes:
> Interesting. I've had no problems at all with BIND... 

If you're running a 1.2.x kernel and an unstable bind, zone transfers
from your machine will fail (because it attempts to get the ip
options, something not supported in 1.2.x, and on failure drops the
connection.) This only matters if you're the primary DNS for some
domain (which my 1.2.13 machine is.)

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In article <199605241527.JAA07519@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> you write:
>Ian Jackson said:
>> Scott Barker writes ("Re: more trouble with 1.1 upgrade"):
>> > ok. So what happens when I install the new cron, and /usr/bin/savelog isn't in
>> > it? Won't dpkg remove it, since /usr/bin/savelog has been removed from
>> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/base.list?
>> 
>> Err, bugger.  I knew this --force-replaces thing was a bad idea.
>> 
>> If you do this you'll have to reinstall bsdutils, but there's nothing
>> really that can be done about it.
>>
>> cron needs to be fixed.
>
>That's what I thought. Just thought I'd mention the problem. Perhaps when cron
>is fixed, the bsdutils package should be bumped up a version, so that dselect
>will automagically re-install it. Or maybe the cron postinst script should
>spit out a message letting the user know that bsdutils should be updated.

Uh, for "bsdutils" read "debian-utils" throughout.

savelog was moved to debian-utils, not bsdutils.

Austin
(bsdutils maintainer)

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On 2 Jun 1996, Joe Reinhardt wrote:

> I uploaded a mailcrypt package last weekend, mailcrypt-3.4-1.all.deb.
> 

Can you please tell me where I can find it.  I check at one of the Debian
mirror site eg. ftp://sun10.sep.bnl.gov, but cannot find it in the directory
debian/unstable/binary/mail.  If the 1.1 is freezed,  where should we 
look for new packages?



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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem with debian 1.1 upgrade installation
--text follows this line--
After my upgrade, the following messages is mailed to my
root account exactly once every minute:

Return-Path: <root>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 22:02 EDT
From: root (Cron Daemon)
To: root
Subject: Cron <root@fea> atrun -d 0.5
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X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/root>
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non-option arguments - not allowed: No such file or directory

Needless to say, it is filling up my mail queue and I need to fix it.
I have tried all the spool files to determine what process is sending
it, but I haven't had much luck.

One thing I did notice is that my original

/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root

file was wiped out and replaced.  I will need to restore it from
backup.
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Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:
> My 0.93R6 system at home is the most stable linux system I have ever seen.
> Now that 1.1 is nearly ready for release, I agree that it is approaching
> the same level of stability.  It is true that 0.93 probably is not
> compatible with some of the newer hardware and software, but it is
> certainly worthy of its status as a "stable" distribution.

Well, maybe I haven't used the right term.  What I ment is that
the system (the kernel) never crashed on me (Linux haven't crashed
on me for a long time, but I'm not using it too heavily right now),
but things like ange-ftp not working under emacs, lots of missing
goodies etc.

Right now I'm running 1.1 upgraded from 0.93R6 with most programs
still from my short 0.93 era with no problems (except for the initial
kernel-compile problems you probably saw on the list).

> 
> Regarding the removal of 0.93 from ftp sites, can't we keep it available
> as an "old" distribution?  There may be some people who will want to
> continue using it for some time.

I suppose that should be a gentler aproach.

Cheers.

-- 
--Amos Shapira                  | "Of course Australia was marked for
                                |  glory, for its people had been chosen
amos@dsi.co.il                  |  by the finest judges in England."
                                |                         -- Anonymous

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To: david@elo.ods.com (David Engel)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 21:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> 
> This has already been debated enough.  Debian will continue to include
> known-working kernel headers with libc unless and until that
> arrangement proves to be unworkable.  As I have time, I will continue
> to encourage H.J. Lu and other Linux distributors to do the same.

I still prefer to use the kernel source installed on the
system. It is not easy. But otherwise, you may get
inconsistent result in system calls.

-- 
H.J. Lu
Innovix Technologies, Inc.
hjl@innovix.com

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, James D. Freels wrote:

> Subject: Cron <root@fea> atrun -d 0.5
> ...
> non-option arguments - not allowed: No such file or directory

>From atrun's man page:
       atrun [-l load_avg] [-d]

So make it 'atrun -d -l 0.5' or just 'atrun -d'.  0.5 is the default
anyway.


Guy

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Hi,
>>"Amos" == Amos Shapira <amos@dsi.co.il> writes:
Amos> I'm still looking for this kernel-image package.  Can't find it
Amos> in the ls-lR files.

	It should appear in the mirrors soon, it was moved out of
incoming recently.

Amos> Now what about support for multiple kernels?  Is it possible to
Amos> have a rule to install the new kernel *near* (instead of over)
Amos> other kernels, or even near other compiles of same kernel?  You
Amos> must know the urge to keep at least one prooven kernel around in
Amos> case the new one crashes.

	The recent kernel packages (headers, sources, and image),
being build from the package kernel-package (or a close ancestor), do
not overwrite older versions. They allow you to keep as many versions
of images or sources on your system as you desire (you, then, have to
explicitly delete them to have them go away).  I always have tow
versions myself ...


Amos> As it is now, it looks like ytou have to manually shift
Amos> /System.map and /vmlinuz and add entries to lilo.conf, or am I
Amos> missing something? 

	Yes, the newer kernel-image-X.X.XX packages (which handle all
these details for you).

	manoj
--
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feel'' lawsuits over automobiles?"  -- Mark Diekhans (markd@sco.com)
%%


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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, N. Salwen wrote:

> I tried this both man and more on my slackware system at home and they
> both go backwards.  I don't have the PAGER variable set.
> 
> I realize this is slackware but I am surprised at the difference.

As someone else pointed out, slackware man most likely writes out a
temp file for more.  You can check /proc/xx/cmdline where xx is more's
pid on your slackware system.

Starting the pager at the end of a pipe is a feature; it starts up more
quickly.


Guy

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Guy Maor wrote
>> While using man to read a manpage I am not able to scroll backwards a page
>> by using "b" or "^B".  Has anyone else experienced this?  My current
>> version of man is 2.3.10-11.  If I just use "more" to read a text file,
>> everything works fine.
>
>more can't go backwards on unseekable files, like pipes for example.
>(man pipes the data out to the viewer so it'll start up faster.)
>
>less doesn't have this deficiency.  Use it with man by setting the
>PAGER environment variable to `less'.

I tried this both man and more on my slackware system at home and they
both go backwards.  I don't have the PAGER variable set.

I realize this is slackware but I am surprised at the difference.

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Austin Donnelly wrote:
 
> Those systems maybe format the manpage to a temporary file, then
> use more to view that file.  Debian's man put the formatted output
> through a pipe directly to the pager, for speed.
>  
> Note that you can also do: 
> 
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> 
> so that you only get less when viewing manpages, not as your default
> pager (if for some reason you don't like less :)

Thanks for the education---`less' works great as the default pager.  Uh
oh, I feel a suggestion to a developer coming on.:)  Is it possible to
have `less' or `most' designed into man as the default pager so the
environment variable doesn't have to be set?  Is there an advantage to
using `more' that I'm not aware of? ----Richard

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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> And what's the exact reason for using using '-d'?

So that you'll get annoying mail every 5 seconds!


Guy

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Dominik,

I am hoping to get a large number of debian 1.1 systems running in our
teaching laboratories next year.  We use amd at our site.  I have
noticed a serious problem with amd as distributed.  The code enabled by
defining NEW_TOPLVL_READDIR is not well thought out.  It does not take
into
account the size of  the clients buffer when making up the list of auto
mount points.  At our site where there are many top level auto-mount
points this causes amd to crash whenever a listing is made of a top
level auto-mount point. As updatedb is run every night this means that
the machines are unusable every morning.  

We have a decision to make between using FreeBSD and Linux.  The
FreeBSDers main point is that Linux networking is not as robust as that
provided by FreeBSD.  It seems that all distributed versions of the
unnofficial patch of amd must have this problem even though in the
Changelog file Erik Zadok states that the code is quickly hacked
together and not tested.

I have found that Debian 1.1 networking is otherwise very reliable.

Nigel Williams (Programmer)
Queen Mary and Westfield College
Mile End Road
London E1 4NS

Telephone: 0171-975-5250

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Well I didn't think it was easier to install 1.1 instead of 0.93
on my old PC, but if it is I'll try for sure.
Wait for some days and you'll have a complete report of my
work.

Thank you (and all the other) for the suggestions. It was really kind.
Alberto.

-- 
Alberto Brizio  (brizio@cstv.to.cnr.it)

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Guy Maor writes:
> >From atrun's man page:
>        atrun [-l load_avg] [-d]
> 
> So make it 'atrun -d -l 0.5' or just 'atrun -d'.  0.5 is the default
> anyway.

And what's the exact reason for using using '-d'?

Michael

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My problem was in the /etc/crontab file.  This file apparently
configures root cron jobs in addition to
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root.  On another system that I configured
from scratch, the atrun command was input correctly.  On this system,
which I configured as an update from 0.93R6, the command was input
incorrectly which mailed me all the error messages every minute.  I
don't know if this constitutes a bug since I did not create the file
myself.
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I found MailCrypt in master.debian.org, under the debian/Incoming
directory.

Derek Lee

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>>>>> Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> writes:

> Brian C. White writes ("Re: How to handle new packages"):
>> > As I understand dselect, it looks at the Packages file to determine
>> > the list of packages, their dependencies, and whatever else.
>> > 
>> > Suppose I want to upgrade a single package.  I grab the .deb file.
>> > But now what?  The Packages file doesn't know about the new package.
>> > 
>> > I know I could install it using dpkg, but isn't there a way to tell
>> > dselect about the new package?
>> 
>> Use:  dpkg --install package-name-version.deb

> If you just want to tell dselect about it, rather than installing it,
> you can say `dpkg --update-avail foobar*.deb', but it seems rather
> silly just to do this by hand :-).

But suppose that foobar requires other packages.  Wouldn't it then
make sense to do the --update-avail, then go into dselect to see what
other packages I may have to install as well.  Then, if I either don't
have or don't want these other packages or don't have the disk space or
whatever, I can just forget about installing foobar.

-- 
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You can define $PAGER as something like
"cat >/tmp/$$;more /tmp/$$;rm /tmp/$$" to get the back-scrolling at
the cost of somewhat reduced speed. You won't see the first page until
the last has been formatted (which is why we don't do this by default).

	Bruce

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First, I want to thank everyone involved with Debian for doing an
excellent job.  I far prefer my Debian system at home to my current
Sun or previous Ultrix systems at work.  Three cheers for DEBIAN!

Now my question.

While trying to build a custom kernel under 0.93R6, I get an error
about bootsect.o not found.  Looking through the make file, it would
appear that this binary should be compiled when necessary from
bootsect.s, but this doesn't appear to happen.  What's the problem
here?

I've never experience problems build a kernel before, so this seems
awfully strange.

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I'm having trouble swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on my
keyboard.  I have the following two line file that used to work
with 'loadkeys' just fine:

keycode 58 = Control
keycode 29 = Caps_Lock

Now however it just really messes up when control is pressed.  It
seems to stick in control mode, and the scroll lock gets turned on.
Occasionally it just locks up that terminal, and the machine will
no longer reboot.

I couldn't find anything in the man pages for loadkeys or keytables
that looked out of the ordinary.  Anyone know what's changed that
would break this?  It's been a while since I upgraded the kbd package.


  Michael

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Sorry for the confusion.  It turns out that more is not the same as less
on slackware but man automatically uses less without a variable set.  I'm pretty sure it is not using a temp file. 

Is there any reason the default PAGER on Debian should not be set to less
out of the box?

Nathan

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New boot floppies are available in
ftp://ftp.i-connect.net/debian/unstable/disks-i386/1996_6_2 .
These will no doubt get to the mirror sites later today.
Module configuration has been improved and dselect's FTP method might
work once the base system has been installed (my test system didn't have
a network, so I'm not sure about that). If you can, please perform a
test installation witht these floppies.

There is a new kernel in boot1440.bin, an old one in boot1200.bin
(because the modules in newer kernels run a 1200K floppy out of space).
I am going to have to split up the modules into two floppies, where the
second one is only infrequently-needed ones, so that I can get newer
kernels to work on _any_ size floppy. The latest kernel + modules.tgz
even overflows a 1440K floppy.

	Thanks

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> Is there any reason the default PAGER on Debian should not be set to less
> out of the box?

less is not a base package, so might not be installed.  more is one
third the size of less, and it's very important to keep the base
packages as small as possible.


Guy

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I have recently upgraded my debian machine from 0.93R6 to 1.1 beta.
I am happy to report that everything, except one important piece, is
up and running and better than before!

I had a few minor problems which have been reported earlier and were
easily fixed:


1) /etc/crontab contained an incorrect entry 'atrun -d 0.5' which
   should have been 'atrun -d -l 0.5'.  This caused an endless loop
   of error messages to be mailed to root.

2) the /etc/X11/Xserver file incorrectly contained 'XF86_NONE' in the
   first line which should have been 'XF86_Mach64'.  This had the
   effect of not allowing X windows to start correctly.

3) emacs was upgraded to 19.30 (another major enhancement!).  when I
   upgraded to 19.29, I had the same problem, namely, emacs looks for
   the file /usr/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp/jka-compr.elc.  This problem
   is easily fixed by creating the sym-link 'ln -s 19.30 19.28' in the
   /usr/lib/emacs directory.  However, I wish this problem would
   either get fixed, or someone explain to me what I am doing wrong.

I also had one major problem that I felt should be corrected before a
major release is made.  I decided as part of this upgrade to upgrade
my kernel from 1.2.13 to 1.3.100 (I know I didn't have to).  I have a
PCI NCR SCSI card which is used for my boot disk.  The default kernel
from Debian did not recognize this card and I could not figure out how
to automatically load the modules (even if they existed) at boot time.
I had to use my 1.2.13 boot diskette to get my system back.  I fooled
around with /etc/modules and 'depmod -a -v' command to try and get
things running, but no luck.  Finally I installed 1.3.100 source and
rebuilt my kernel (there is an incredible level of improvement from 
1.2.13 to 1.3.100!!) without and loadable modules necessary.  Now my
system boots as I want.  Given this problem, I recommend a couple of
things:

 1) someone needs to write a layman's treatise on loadable modules 
    and how to go through a change as described above.  Some people
    are going to get burnt on this issue.

 2) an upgrade procedure should be written to allow for such upgrades 
    (loading the boot disk drivers as modules). 

I would love to do these things, but I'm not qualified.

Finally, I have a commercial license of NAG FORTRAN, which uses a.out
binaries and linkable libraries.  I can execute the compiler because I
have a.out executing enabled in my newly-complied kernel.  However, I
get unresolved references in the link step.  I suspect because if is
trying to link to the libc5 libraries and it needs the libc4.  I have
the old libc4 libraries loaded, but I don't know how to allow NAG
FORTRAN to link to them.  Can anyone help me here?

Also, I have a commercial Tecplot license which executes as a.out.  It
executes just fine and gives me the same results as the 0.93R6
installation.  

In summary, I am happy now and will be very happy if I can get NAG
FORTRAN to link.

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Package: dviljk
Version: 2.5-3

cat file.dvi|dvilj - should work but doesn't. It complains of an
invalid null option. I'm surprized to see such a bug :-( Here's a
patch.

--- dviljk-2.5/dviljk/dvi2xx.c	Sun Jan  8 15:22:13 1995
+++ /home/carlos/dvi2xx.c	Mon Jun  3 17:10:13 1996
@@ -1568,7 +1568,7 @@
     argind = 1;
     while (argind < argc) {
         tcp = argv[argind];
-        if (*tcp == '-') {
+        if (*tcp == '-' && argind < argc - 1) {
             ++tcp;
             switch (*tcp) {
 #ifdef IBM3812


Carlos

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Package: apsfilter
Version: 4.9.1-6

apsfilter considers a ljet4 and a ljet4l equivalent after setting the
options to dvips. However if you send raw postscript to it this is a
bug. The patch below corrects this, and a few more small glitches. It
seems the authors haven't used PRINT_DVI very much :-).

Carlos

--- apsfilter.orig	Mon Jun  3 17:31:08 1996
+++ /usr/lib/apsfilter/bin/apsfilter	Mon Jun  3 17:32:44 1996
@@ -318,7 +318,8 @@
 #-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 case $PRINTER in
-	ljet4l)		# We can now act like a ljet4
+	ljet4l)		# We can now act like a ljet4 - almost...
+			GS_RESOL=300x300
 			PRINTER=ljet4 ;;
 	*)		;;
 esac
@@ -490,7 +491,7 @@
 		$DECOMPRESS $PRINT_DVI
 	fi

-	if [ -z "$TMP_FILE" ]; then
+	if [ ! -z "$TMP_FILE" ]; then
                 rm -f $TMP_FILE
         fi
 }
@@ -895,7 +896,7 @@

 			*dvi*)
 					if [ "$HAVE_DVIPS" = "True"   \
-					   -o -z "$PRINT_DVI" ]; then
+					   -o ! -z "$PRINT_DVI" ]; then
 						print_dvi
 					else
 						fault_filetype

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Package: dviljk
Version: 2.5-3

cat file.dvi|dvilj - should work but doesn't. It complains of an
invalid null option. I'm surprized to see such a bug :-( Here's a
patch.

--- dviljk-2.5/dviljk/dvi2xx.c	Sun Jan  8 15:22:13 1995
+++ /home/carlos/dvi2xx.c	Mon Jun  3 17:10:13 1996
@@ -1568,7 +1568,7 @@
     argind = 1;
     while (argind < argc) {
         tcp = argv[argind];
-        if (*tcp == '-') {
+        if (*tcp == '-' && argind < argc - 1) {
             ++tcp;
             switch (*tcp) {
 #ifdef IBM3812


Carlos

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Hello,

Since 1.99, I get messages like:

Jun  4 00:03:50 marin modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-4
Jun  4 00:03:52 marin modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-5

in my daemon.log. Do you know what they mean?

Thanks,
Yves.

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Package: apsfilter
Version: 4.9.1-6

apsfilter considers a ljet4 and a ljet4l equivalent after setting the
options to dvips. However if you send raw postscript to it this is a
bug. The patch below corrects this, and a few more small glitches. It
seems the authors haven't used PRINT_DVI very much :-).

Carlos

--- apsfilter.orig	Mon Jun  3 17:31:08 1996
+++ /usr/lib/apsfilter/bin/apsfilter	Mon Jun  3 17:32:44 1996
@@ -318,7 +318,8 @@
 #-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 case $PRINTER in
-	ljet4l)		# We can now act like a ljet4
+	ljet4l)		# We can now act like a ljet4 - almost...
+			GS_RESOL=300x300 
 			PRINTER=ljet4 ;;
 	*)		;;
 esac
@@ -490,7 +491,7 @@
 		$DECOMPRESS $PRINT_DVI
 	fi
 
-	if [ -z "$TMP_FILE" ]; then
+	if [ ! -z "$TMP_FILE" ]; then
                 rm -f $TMP_FILE
         fi
 }
@@ -895,7 +896,7 @@
 
 			*dvi*)
 					if [ "$HAVE_DVIPS" = "True"   \
-					   -o -z "$PRINT_DVI" ]; then
+					   -o ! -z "$PRINT_DVI" ]; then
 						print_dvi
 					else
 						fault_filetype

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I've already sent several bits of my printing tale. Here's the whole
story...

I discovered a few problems with apsfilter, as I already reported.
Then I found that dvilj wouldn't take a dvi file from stdin, as
required for automatic formatting so that you can just do
lpr -Pprinter file.dvi.

And now I tried to make automatic font generation work with the
MakeTeX{PK,MF} scripts. After the above fixes we get the following on
the remote machine:

lpd - apsfilter - dviljk - MakeTeXPK - mf - MakeTeXMF -
wierd error "no more child processes" comming apparently from
MakeTeXMF *SIGH*.

I then tried a radical solution: I linked /bin/sh to zsh beta 18
instead of bash, and VOILA it works! If the bash maintainer wants I
can send more details. I vote for just dumping it :-)


I also reported a bad bug with lpr, which won't let someone remove a
print job on a remote printer. I expect to send a patch soon.

Moral: if you want to have smart printing, use window$ :-( :-( :-(

Carlos

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Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> writes:
>  dselect's FTP method

  Does this imply that dftp (or the functionality thereof) has been
  merged into dselect?  That would be good.

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>   ph: +1-415-854-1857  fax: +1-415-854-3195
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> Does this imply that dftp (or the functionality thereof) has been
> merged into dselect?  That would be good.

There is an experimental package called dpkg-ftp which provides "dselect"
with another "installation method" called "ftp". When you install this,
you can select the "ftp" installation method in the installation methods
menu, and then "dselect" will get the Packages file and all requested
packages via FTP instead of requiring you to move them by yourself.

This is really cool when it works correctly, but so far it's been less
Than robust. That's what we are working on now.

Another thing we're going to try is to provide the "installation root"
and the base floppies in a publicly-readable NFS partition accessable
via Internet. If you have a system on a LAN that has access to
Internet, this will allow you to install Debian with exactly _one_
floppy, the boot floppy, because the root floppy will be mounted via
NFS, the base floppies and kernel will be on that same NFS filesystem,
and the dpkg-ftp method will work to get the rest of the system.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:
 
> I never went all the way about this, but I allways had the suspicion that
> Slackware's "more" is actually "less" renamed.  Could you check this?
> (maybe try "more -V"?)
> 
I dug up my old Slackware 2.0.1 distribution on cdrom and discovered that
the /usr/lib/man.config file defined the Pager as less with the `s'
option.  I was in error, sorry about that, I thought more was used.  My
provider running System V Release 4 does use more as the man pager and
writes out a temp file /tmp/mpa... for more.---Richard

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James D. Freels wrote:

> Finally, I have a commercial license of NAG FORTRAN, which uses a.out
> binaries and linkable libraries.  I can execute the compiler because I
> have a.out executing enabled in my newly-complied kernel.  However, I
> get unresolved references in the link step.  I suspect because if is
> trying to link to the libc5 libraries and it needs the libc4.  I have
> the old libc4 libraries loaded, but I don't know how to allow NAG
> FORTRAN to link to them.  Can anyone help me here?
> 
Hi,

'ldd f77' should tell you it needs?

--Derek Lee

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  James> 3) emacs was upgraded to 19.30 (another major enhancement!).  when I
  James> upgraded to 19.29, I had the same problem, namely, emacs looks for
  James> the file /usr/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp/jka-compr.elc.  This problem is
  James> easily fixed by creating the sym-link 'ln -s 19.30 19.28' in the
  James> /usr/lib/emacs directory.  However, I wish this problem would either
  James> get fixed, or someone explain to me what I am doing wrong.

Emacs sources /usr/lib/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el, a file which specifies
site-specific preferences for modes that should be provided on startup.
Following good debian practice, this file is actually softlinked to the file
/etc/site-start.el under /etc.

Now, the loading path for jka-compr.elc contained, for whatever reason, the
absolute path into the emacs lisp directory which depends on the version of
emacs. When this was done, it was set to 19.28, and hasn't been fixed since. 
I had that first changed to
	(load "jka-compr")
which finds it's path automagically, and now, with 19.30, have
	(auto-compression-mode 1)     
which provides the same features.

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:
 
> Since 1.99, I get messages like:
> 
> Jun  4 00:03:50 marin modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-4
> Jun  4 00:03:52 marin modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-5
> 
> in my daemon.log. Do you know what they mean?
 
Net-pf-3 refers to the AX.25 network protocol, net-pf-4 to IPX and
net-pf-5 to Appletalk.  I had the same problem and since I wasn't using
any of the protocols was instructed to put the following in
/etc/conf.modules to stop the messages:

alias net-pf-3 off  #AX.25
alias net-pf-4 off  #IPX
alias net-pf-5 off  #Appletalk 

There is a discussion of this in the May 1996 archive of the user group if
you want more info. ----Richard

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  Carlos> Moral: if you want to have smart printing, use window$ :-( :-( :-(

Narrr. I am quite happy with one simple entry in /etc/printcap, plus one
gs_filter. All I print is in postscript (generated by genscript or dvipsk)
and printed via gs. That I can simply say "print" in any application
program. 
                             
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How about having each pager program use update-alternatives to provide
a possible variant of /usr/bin/pager, and then having man configured
by default to use /usr/bin/pager ?

This would mean that man couldn't tell that less was being used and
give it all those funky arguments with the name of the manpage, &c,
but it would work better than the current scheme.

Ian.

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Steve Preston writes ("Re: How to handle new packages"):
> [Ian Jackson:]
> > If you just want to tell dselect about it, rather than installing it,
> > you can say `dpkg --update-avail foobar*.deb', but it seems rather
> > silly just to do this by hand :-).
> 
> But suppose that foobar requires other packages.  Wouldn't it then
> make sense to do the --update-avail, then go into dselect to see what
> other packages I may have to install as well.  Then, if I either don't
> have or don't want these other packages or don't have the disk space or
> whatever, I can just forget about installing foobar.

Yes.

Ian.

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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> Narrr. I am quite happy with one simple entry in /etc/printcap, plus one
> gs_filter. All I print is in postscript (generated by genscript or dvipsk)
> and printed via gs. That I can simply say "print" in any application
> program.
> 

I have found that magicfilter is pretty handy for this stuff. It works for
all kinds of files, not just ps, plus it figures the file format and decides
how to make your printer print it on the fly.

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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> > Is there any reason the default PAGER on Debian should not be set to less
> > out of the box?
> 
> less is not a base package, so might not be installed.  more is one
> third the size of less, and it's very important to keep the base
> packages as small as possible.

Couldn't the default scripts check if less is present and set PAGER 
acordingly?

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I would like to play with pthreads, and was wondering what I must
do to get phtreads support built into my libc.  Do I have to
compile the latest version of libc myself, with pthreads
specified somewhere?  Or is it in the latest version already?

Also, why does debian 1.1 use libc-5.2.18 when libc-5.3.12 is available?
Is it for stability reasons?

  Michael

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Hello,

> So, in this case, how is it better for the header files to reflect the
> kernel than the library ?

The library is rather uncritical for system programming. You have a function
"ioctl()" which will never change it interface in ages, but there are all
those little parameters which tend to change from kernel version to kernel
version. This is  the real problem with having out-of-date headers on your
system.

Greetings
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I get the following warning message when running several applications.
I suspect some type of inconsistency with Perl.  My two from-scratch
installations of debian 1.1 do not produce this warning message (only
my upgraded from 0.93R6).  I would appreciate any help to correct this
problem as I think it is also probably generic.

warning: setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "") failed.
warning: LC_ALL = "(null)", LC_CTYPE = "(null)", LANG = "de",
warning: falling back to the "C" locale.


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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
: 
: 
:   Carlos> Moral: if you want to have smart printing, use window$ :-( :-( :-(
: 
: Narrr. I am quite happy with one simple entry in /etc/printcap, plus one
: gs_filter. All I print is in postscript (generated by genscript or dvipsk)
: and printed via gs. That I can simply say "print" in any application
: program. 

Same for me.  I use a self written simple input filter (perl) to
distinguish:

        o ordinary postscript (starting with %!)        -> gs -> stdout

        o postscript from windo$ (starting with ^D%!)   -> gs -> stdout

        o all other input                               -> stdout


and ONE corresponding entry in my /etc/printcap plus one
/etc/printfilter.conf.

If interested, I could send it to you.  But beware, it's not intended
for automatic installation, you need to think about some options and
file locations.  But iff installed it works almost ever (for me since
its installation) automagically.

It follows the ``keep it small and beautiful'' strategy.  So all user
requested formatting is left to the user 
(such as a2ps, psnup, dvips, ...).  We print postscript or ``direct'',
nothing else.


Heiko
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Dirk Eddelbuettel (Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca) wrote on 3 June 1996 19:20:
 >
 >  Carlos> Moral: if you want to have smart printing, use window$ :-( :-( :-(
 >
 >Narrr. I am quite happy with one simple entry in /etc/printcap, plus one
 >gs_filter. All I print is in postscript (generated by genscript or dvipsk)
 >and printed via gs. That I can simply say "print" in any application
 >program. 

I don't mean that literally. I'm just fed up of the bugs in the
printing subsystem. I'm also having problems with lpd complaining on
valid printcap files :-( I'll try to track this...

However, automatic printing in unix IS HARD. Well, it's hard in any
case ue to the diversity of file formats and printers, but in window$
it's easy to configure.

The quick solution of one gs filter is far too restrict. It only fits
a domestic installation. I know about smart filters, that's why I'm
using apsfilter. It's more flexible than magicfilter, btw. The config
problems appear when you have several printers (I have 4 different
ones) and/or you don't want to only print postscript. Even when it's
possible to have a ps, it's not always the best thing. For example,
it's stupid to convert a dvi to ps when you have a direct dvi->printer
converter.

I have however a more fundamental objection to the unix print model.
It's not good for modern printers that have many configuration
options, like color/mono, paper/transparency, high/low resolution,
econo mode, etc. The number of alternatives is so big that you need a
graphic or menu interface to configure it for each print job.
Separating the options in different queues is not feasible because you
need to have tens of them. And the configuration interface must be
available from the print menu of every application and from the
command line. It surely can be done, but I've never heard of it.

Carlos

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Derek Lee writes ("PGP & MailCrypt"):
> Is there a debian package of PGP2.6.3i? 
> (Is it located outside US? I have only looked at US ftp servers.)

No, there isn't.  I haven't had time to build 2.6.3 yet - we're still
on 2.6.2.

Any non-US developer who feels like packaging 2.6.2 should do so, but
I'd warn them that because of the pgp-us/pgp-i complications they
should be prepared to copy what I did with the package quite closely.

> ALso, is there a debian package for MailCrypt (Emacs/PGP interface)?
> I found a package for auto-pgp, but it appears that I have to use
> emacs rmail to take advantage of it...

?  You need to use a mailer which puts the headers of a message in the
file it gives to Emacs to edit, but that's all.  I suppose letting
users edit their own headers is going out of fashion.

Ian.

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H. J. Lu writes ("Re: kernel headers"):
> > 
> > This has already been debated enough.  Debian will continue to include
> > known-working kernel headers with libc unless and until that
> > arrangement proves to be unworkable.  As I have time, I will continue
> > to encourage H.J. Lu and other Linux distributors to do the same.
> 
> I still prefer to use the kernel source installed on the
> system. It is not easy. But otherwise, you may get
> inconsistent result in system calls.

Please explain.  I assume that you're considering the situation where
the kernel version and libc version installed do not correspond, as
otherwise the two sets of header files would be identical.

So, in this case, how is it better for the header files to reflect the
kernel than the library ?  Surely having header files which do not
match the functions being called is no good ?  Surely if the kernel
interface changes, eg by having a structure rearranged, this will need
a corresponding libc change too ?

I'm confused; I hope you'll forgive me for being so bold as to ask
these questions.

Ian.

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Ian Jackson:
> How about having each pager program use update-alternatives to provide
> a possible variant of /usr/bin/pager, and then having man configured
> by default to use /usr/bin/pager ?

Another possibility would be to fix more so that it can scroll
backwards.  This shouldn't take more than 20 lines of code (copy stdin
to a temporary file if it's not seekable), and would work on smaller
systems.

[There are a couple optimizations that could be made, but I'd hate to
see them get in the way.]

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Michael Callahan writes:
> I would like to play with pthreads, and was wondering what I must
> do to get phtreads support built into my libc.  Do I have to
> compile the latest version of libc myself, with pthreads
> specified somewhere?  Or is it in the latest version already?

Here is the relevant section from H.J. Lu's release notes:

> PTHREAD NOTES:
> 
> The MIT pthread library 1.60 beta2 seems to work.  It passed most of tests
> in the MIT pthread package. The pthread libraries are not installed by
> default, nor are binaries included.  You may want to remove "-g" from the
> default CFLAGS for the pthread library.  You need to install the libraries
> "elfshared/libpthread.so.1.60.beta2" and "elfstatic/libpthread.a" in
> either /usr/local/lib or /usr/lib manually.  You must run ldconfig after
> installing them.
> 
> To compile pthread programs, you need to add -D_MIT_POSIX_THREADS to
> CFLAGS and -lpthread to LDFLAGS.  The network _r functions are still
> missing.
> 
> Due to the implementation of the pthread library, pthread only works
> with the shared libpthread.

Would someone like to test the pthread library that is built?  You'll
need to get the libc5 source and recompile the entire package
yourself.  If libpthread proves to work, I'll include it in either the
next libc5 package or a separate libpthread package.

> Also, why does debian 1.1 use libc-5.2.18 when libc-5.3.12 is available?
> Is it for stability reasons?

For stability.  Libc 5.3.12 was brand new when we first started
preparing to release Debian 1.1.

David
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Hi,

   I've been using debian (0.93R6) a while now at home and in my first
office, and never had any problems, till trying to install debian on a
computer at my second office. After installing the base system and running
dselect for the first time with no problems, I keep getting error messages
when using dpkg (+- dselect) or dftp when installing subsequent packages.
The errors are: 

$ dpkg --install package_x.deb
   .
   .
   .
   gzip:stdout: Broken pipe
   dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
   dpkg: error processing package_x.deb (--install)
    subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
   Errors were encountered... (and so on)


I've tried the following:
 reinstalling gzip from scratch (tar not deb)
 reinstalling dpkg (tar and deb and recompiling source)
 reinstalling the whole os
 dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile xxx.deb > xxx.tar and dpkg-deb -e xxx.deb to
   get the package contents and control files installed and processed
   (this *will* work but it's a hassle)


The computer in question is:
 IBM Personal Computer 750-P90
 hda1=540MB Conner HD, hdb=ATAPI cdrom, hdc=Maxtor 72004A 2Gig HD
 24 meg RAM
 +floppy, tape, cyclom 8 port, etc.

I've read the Debian installation manual, gone to www.debian.org, searched
the mailing list archives, etc. but haven't found very much.  If it's a
problem because it's an IBM, I'm having the computer replaced in a week or
two. This is the fourth or fifth time this had happened, and I'm getting
kinda frustrated. Any suggestions? Am I missing something really obvious? 

Thanks in advance,
Paul Schoenly
Auburn University

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Suppose you have a window open in the local machine and you telnet to
another one from that window. I discovered that telnet passes the
DISPLAY variable to the remote machine, while rlogin doesn't. Up to
now fine, except possibly for a bug in rlogin that doesn't pass the
env var.

The problem is that, with telnet, windows started on the remote
machine open without problems in the local display, even without
giving a xhost <remote> on the local machine. Is this correct? It only
happens if you are the same user on both machines.

Carlos

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	I use my debian machine for connecting to the internet via ppp,
however I also want to set it up to use the ppp access at work (We're
behind a firewall at work, so I can't just connect to my ISP and telnet to
work.) I can configure it for either way, but it seems kind of unwieldy to
reedit the hosts file and the resolv.conf file and etc each time I want to
log into one or the other. What's the best way to set it up so that I can
be properly configured for whichever one I want to dial into at the time.
If it makes a difference I'm using a static address both for my personal
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							Shawn

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, David Engel wrote:

> > The MIT pthread library 1.60 beta2 seems to work.  It passed most of tests

The latest pthread library is 1.60 beta4, released on 10/25/95.
Compiled seperately it works moderately well.  It's a lot of fun to
play with.  You can get more info at
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/proven/pthreads.html

Presumably libc 5.3.12 contains the newer version, so when 5.3
stabilizes and David upgrades, we'll have it.  Until then, you might
want to get the pthread source from the above site and compile it
seperately.  It compiles out of the box under Linux.


Guy

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From: Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu>
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david@elo.ods.com (David Engel) writes:

> > The MIT pthread library 1.60 beta2 seems to work.  It passed most of tests
> > in the MIT pthread package. The pthread libraries are not installed by

[...]

> Would someone like to test the pthread library that is built?  You'll
> need to get the libc5 source and recompile the entire package
> yourself.  If libpthread proves to work, I'll include it in either the
> next libc5 package or a separate libpthread package.

We've been using pthreads in the lab for a while, but we had to get
1.60 beta 4 (I think there's an even newer one now) because beta 2
still had a number of bugs that made it unusable.  It'd be really nice
to have the library included in Debian's libc (or as a separate
package).  Maintaining a separate version of pthreads on top of
Debian's libc5's been a pain.  

Note that we may need a separate pthreads package since pthreads
includes wrappers for gcc/g++ to make sure you compile with the right
headers and libraries.  Or perhaps that wouldn't be an issue if
Debian's libc were already compiled with the support.  I'm not sure.

--
Rob

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Carlos Carvalho wrote:

> The problem is that, with telnet, windows started on the remote
> machine open without problems in the local display, even without
> giving a xhost <remote> on the local machine. Is this correct? It only
> happens if you are the same user on both machines.

How are you starting the X session? Are you using xdm, or something like 
startx? Are you sure that you aren't doing an 'xhost +' anywhere in your 
startup scripts?

Steve Early
sde1000@cam.ac.uk

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Hi all,

I downloaded the base and boot disks from sunsite, but there was no
1200_root_floppy disk there. There was a 1440_root_floppy. 

Do I need the 1200_root_floppy to install?

If so, can I use the 1440_root_floppy?

Thanks

dL
 
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Folks,

  Is there a performance hit for using extended partitions, or should
  one be unconcerned about creating them willy-nilly?

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Carlos Carvalho writes:
 > 
 > I have however a more fundamental objection to the unix print model.
 > It's not good for modern printers that have many configuration
 > options, like color/mono, paper/transparency, high/low resolution,
 > econo mode, etc. The number of alternatives is so big that you need a
 > graphic or menu interface to configure it for each print job.
 > Separating the options in different queues is not feasible because you
 > need to have tens of them. And the configuration interface must be
 > available from the print menu of every application and from the
 > command line. It surely can be done, but I've never heard of it.

If you use a PS printer (or gs) consider trying the psptools package
when it will be available, and use a PPD file which describes your
printer's capacities.

Yves.

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Shawn Asmussen wrote:

> 	I use my debian machine for connecting to the internet via ppp,
> however I also want to set it up to use the ppp access at work (We're
> behind a firewall at work, so I can't just connect to my ISP and telnet to
> work.) I can configure it for either way, but it seems kind of unwieldy to
> reedit the hosts file and the resolv.conf file and etc each time I want to
> log into one or the other. What's the best way to set it up so that I can
> be properly configured for whichever one I want to dial into at the time.

There probably isn't a reason to re-edit the hosts file.  Just list all
the hosts you want in your hosts file.  As for the resolv.conf files, you
could have 2 files (resolv1, resolv2), then make 2 script files to start
your PPP connections for each ISP.  At the start of each have a line like: 

cp /etc/resolv1 /etc/resolv.conf
  or
cp /etc/resolv2 /etc/resolv.conf

However, you may want to try just putting both nameservers into a single
resolv.conf and just trying that.  I have a similar situation and both
providers' nameservers seem to provide name service no matter which
provider I'm connected to.  If one will not provide service when you're
connected to the other ISP, and that namerserver is the first one listed
in resolv.conf, then the first will time out and the second will kick in. 
But this will be quite slow. 

Gerry

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If you share a home directory on both machines, and you're using xdm,
then the access is based on the .Xauthority file in your homedir.
"xauth list" should show the same thing on both systems, if this is
the case. (Generally this isn't much better -- it means you're still
vulnerable to the "magic cookie" being sniffed as it goes over the
net, but other users on the remote host can't connect as they could if
you'd used xhost...)

As for rlogin: no bug, it's just that rlogin has no mechanism to pass
environment variables (and there's no way to extend the protocol
portably, rlogin is doomed, use telnet :-)

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There is a more up-to-date boot floppy set in
ftp://ftp.i-connect.net/debian/unstable/disks-i386/current . The file
install.html in that directory contains full installation instructions.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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Hi,

I am getting confused about the organization of the unstable/ directory,
and how I might add new packages to my debian system.

I have downloaded a new package recently
(unstable/binary/misc/mailcrypt-3.4-1.deb, which is a symbolic link to
somewhere else, I think). The Packages files in the unstable
subdirectory does not appear to contain this as an entry.

How do I make dselect aware of it? (Just to get things going, I just
made up an entry in the Packages file, with no checksum of course.)
It would be useful for me to know in the future, in particular, if I
start getting things from the Incoming directory.


--Derek Lee

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>>>>> "CC" == Carlos Carvalho <carlos@riglos.fisica.ufpr.br> writes:

CC> The problem is that, with telnet, windows started on the remote
CC> machine open without problems in the local display, even without
CC> giving a xhost <remote> on the local machine. Is this correct? It only
CC> happens if you are the same user on both machines.

You don't have the same home directory on both machines? In that case,
the .Xauthority file is shared and the clients on the remote machine
know the magic cookie for the display. (all this assuming that you use
either xdm or another way to start your X-server with the -auth
option). 

Otherwise, could there be something in your sequence of startup files
which changes the access list of the server?

			Cheers,
				Lukas
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Paul Schoenly wrote:

> 
> $ dpkg --install package_x.deb
>    .
>    gzip:stdout: Broken pipe
>    dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
>    dpkg: error processing package_x.deb (--install)
>     subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
>    Errors were encountered... (and so on)
> 
I've recently started asking about this too.  I figured that it was only
my setup (I'm running Linux/68k), but other people have also said that
there is problems with similar setups to yours.  

Unfortunately, I have gotten an answer as yet.  (So I modified the source
to ignore 'broken pipe" errors and it works like a charm.  B-))

If ya get a solution, please let me know 'cause mine isn't really
acceptable.  B-)

L.Lucius

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Subject: Re: Hard versus extended partitions
To: wohler@uluru.worldtalk.com (Bill Wohler)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:55:55 -0500 (CDT)
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Bill Wohler writes:
>   Is there a performance hit for using extended partitions, or should
>   one be unconcerned about creating them willy-nilly?

I don't know of any performance hits regarding extended partitions.

David
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 David Engel writes:
   [ chopped pthreads related release notes ]
 >Would someone like to test the pthread library that is built?  You'll
 >need to get the libc5 source and recompile the entire package
 >yourself.  If libpthread proves to work, I'll include it in either the
 >next libc5 package or a separate libpthread package.

I spent the day downloading and then compiling the source for libc-5.3.12
off of sunsite.  It all compiled fine, except for the one struct
definition in include/pthread/mit/sys/compat.h, which I just ifdefed out.

I put the resulting library in /usr/lib, and tried it out
with a really simple test program, and it worked.  I'm also
happy to note that I haven't had any problems with the new
C library yet, although I haven't been beating on it much.

  Michael

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From: david@elo.ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: pthreads and libc version for debian 1.1
To: maor@ece.utexas.edu (Guy Maor)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:13:19 -0500 (CDT)
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Guy Maor writes:
> The latest pthread library is 1.60 beta4, released on 10/25/95.
> Compiled seperately it works moderately well.  It's a lot of fun to
> play with.  You can get more info at
> http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/proven/pthreads.html

Actually, I saw two newer versions on the MIT ftp site, beta4_1 and
beta5.

> Presumably libc 5.3.12 contains the newer version, so when 5.3
> stabilizes and David upgrades, we'll have it.  Until then, you might

Both libc 5.3.12 and 5.4.1 include pthreads 1.60beta4.  I will release
libc 5.3.12 or 5.4.x (if it's released) after Debian 1.1 is released.

> want to get the pthread source from the above site and compile it
> seperately.  It compiles out of the box under Linux.

I am not familiar with pthreads at all, so I'm not comfortable with
deviating from H.J. Lu's version.  Unless someone steps forward to
package pthreads separately, here is what I propose to do.  I will be
updating the kernel headers in libc 5.2.18-x to version 2.0.0 whenever
Linus releases it.  When I do that, I will include H.J.'s pthreads in
the libc5 package.  I will also have it provide a virtual package
called pthreads1.  Packages with threaded binaries should depend on
pthreads1.  This will make it easier to split out pthreads later if we
want to.

David
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, llucius wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Paul Schoenly wrote:
> 
> > 
> > $ dpkg --install package_x.deb
> >    .
> >    gzip:stdout: Broken pipe
> >    dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
> >    dpkg: error processing package_x.deb (--install)
> >     subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
> >    Errors were encountered... (and so on)
> > 
> I've recently started asking about this too.  I figured that it was only
> my setup (I'm running Linux/68k), but other people have also said that
> there is problems with similar setups to yours.  
> 

I also often have the same problem sometimes (with some packages).  It
only happens when su-ing to root.  To bypass it, I just login directly as
root on a VC.  I have 1.1 system and it happened with all versions of dpkg
including as far way back as .96R6.


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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> It's time for us to start keeping a list of technical support people
> and consultants who are knowledgable about Debian. We'd need their
> location, what they charge, etc. This list will be provided to CD
> manufacturers and users. I need a volunteer to keep the list.

What do you consider knowledgable? ;)

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> It's time for us to start keeping a list of technical support people
> and consultants who are knowledgable about Debian. We'd need their
> location, what they charge, etc. This list will be provided to CD
> manufacturers and users. I need a volunteer to keep the list.

What do you consider knowledgable? ;)

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Hi,

> As some people suggested, the problem is that the home dir in all
> machines is the same (mounted via NFS from the server), so the
> .Xauthority file is the same. That's why no xhost is necessary.

which of course means that the content of the Authority File is transfered
unencrypted over your net.

Greetings
Bernd
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> What do you consider knowledgable? ;)

Well, obviously you have to have passed the Certified Linux Engineer
examination :-)

I think it would be sufficient for people to list their qualifications
and let the customer decide.

	Bruce
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> What do you consider knowledgable? ;)

Well, obviously you have to have passed the Certified Linux Engineer
examination :-)

I think it would be sufficient for people to list their qualifications
and let the customer decide.

	Bruce
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I fetched the new disks (June 2nd version) and they do not seem to
work as they should. Here is my report.

 + module configuration (most remarks are trivial ...):

  fs   - binfmt_java and ufs lack an explanation
  ipv4 - there is just one module called `*', no explanation.
  misc - serial lacks explanation

  ... but this is not:

  net - no modules are detected; however modprobe from the shell seems
        to detect the network modules. I had this problem with the
        previous version as well.

 + when I execute a shell the input is not echoed back (cannot see
   what I'm typing)

 + after reboot I never get the message to set the password and login
   (the system seems to hang after the message "Starting base
   networking daemons"). I cannot login from the virtual consoles. If I
   reboot via ctrl-alt-delete, the while the system shuts down all the
   messages appear on the screen (too late now :-). This happens the
   first time aftre installation. Upon rebooting again, after a few
   minutes I'm logged in as root, no questions asked. The system seems
   to work though.

Any input for me? I can run a few tests if you tell me what to try.

Cheers,

pino


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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Michel LESPINASSE wrote:

> > in the debian 1.1beta distribution, setterm does not seems to support 
> > such options. (the -msg option dissapeard, also).

util-linux-2.5-4 will have a working setterm, making the setterm
package obsolete.  It'll get installed into the tree tonight, so should
appear on mirrors in a day or two.

The setterm package will get purged when you install this newer
util-linux.


Guy

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   From: Carl Johnson <carlj@cjlinux.home.org>
   Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
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   [...]  The System V scheme is much more flexible, yet it seems that
   nobody who works with Linux or BSD is even aware that it exists.  Is
   there any kind of implementation of System V lp available for Linux that
   anybody knows of?

Note that this does not fulfill the requirements specified in the original
request.  A command with a large and open-ended set of undocumented
option/flag/switches is no substitute for a dialog box ala our nemesis
Windows.

I would like to know if Red Hat or Caldera offer an lp/lpr substitute that
notices DISPLAY and puts up a nice dialog box with lots of help text.

BTW...  Yes, we are all familiar with System V lp.  'nuf said.

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> net - no modules are detected; however modprobe from the shell seems
> to detect the network modules.

Are you using the boot1200.bin or boot1440.bin or something else as the boot
disk?

	Thanks

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Paul Schoenly writes ("gzip and dpkg problem"):
...
> $ dpkg --install package_x.deb
...
>    gzip:stdout: Broken pipe
>    dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
>    dpkg: error processing package_x.deb (--install)
>     subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
>    Errors were encountered... (and so on)

This means that SIGPIPE was set to SIG_IGN when dpkg started.  For
reasons too complicated to explain here this means that dpkg can't do
proper error trapping (it always gets an error indication, and can't
tell whether it's really an error).

This is a bug in one of:
  Your inetd, telnetd, rlogind, if you're logging in over the
    network (some versions of the Debian netbase and/or netstd
    packages had this problem).
  Your shell (I know of no shells that cause this problem).
  The getty you're using.
    (Some versions of getty_ps are known to have this problem.)
  The login you're using (I know of no problem here).
  Any program which started one of the above, or which is in
    the calling chain for dpkg.

...
>  dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile xxx.deb > xxx.tar and dpkg-deb -e xxx.deb to
>    get the package contents and control files installed and processed
>    (this *will* work but it's a hassle)

This *won't* work - it won't properly install the packages.

In case you're truly desperate, I've attached a Perl script which
resets SIGPIPE to SIG_DFL and then runs the command you supply as
arguments.  Use it like `nohup' or `time'.  I call it `resetsigpipe'
(and I need it because my serial terminal is on getty_ps, which has
the bug).

Please do tell us what the problem is if you find out.  Telling us
which ways of logging in cause the problem and which don't will help
us a lot :-).  If you don't want to bother trying to install packages
(and it sometimes works even if the bug is present), try:
  cat /dev/zero | true
If the bug isn't present this produces just `Broken pipe' (assuming
you're using bash as your shell).  If the bug is present it will
produce `cat: write error: Broken pipe'.

Alexander Goldstein writes ("Re: gzip and dpkg problem"):
...
> I also often have the same problem sometimes (with some packages).  It
> only happens when su-ing to root.  To bypass it, I just login directly as
> root on a VC.  I have 1.1 system and it happened with all versions of dpkg
> including as far way back as .96R6.

Huh ?  `su' does this ?  I don't believe it ...

... no, `su' doesn't.  Perhaps you have `sudo' or something else in
the calling chain.

Please try to identify what it is that's causing the problem, so that
we can fix it and/or tell others to avoid it :-).

Thanks,
Ian.

Here's resetsigpipe, a Perl one-liner:

#!/usr/bin/perl
$SIG{"PIPE"}="DFL"; exec @ARGV; die "resetsigpipe: $ARGV[0]: $!\n";

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>   Does this imply that dftp (or the functionality thereof) has been
>   merged into dselect?  That would be good.

No.  'dpkg-ftp' is a method for dselect to read from an FTP site in much
the same way that it would read from an NFS mount or CD-ROM.

This seems only fair since 'dftp' has added the ability to run from NFS
mount and CD-ROM.  :-)  [ check out the "--pkgpath" option ]

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> 
> This is a bug in one of:
>   The getty you're using.
>     (Some versions of getty_ps are known to have this problem.)

You hit on the head for me anyway.  I thought I was using agetty, but I
was using an older version of getty_ps (2.0.7g) and after replacing
with agetty, "cat /dev/null | true" runs like a charm.

Is getty_ps no longer debianized?  I've noticed that there is a 2.0.7i
available.  Which is better anyway?  (I suppose that's up to the user...)

Anyway, THANKS a heap.

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Bruce writes:

>Are you using the boot1200.bin or boot1440.bin or something else as the boot
>disk?

boot1440.bin.

Pino

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In article <m0uRU5X-0002ZlC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>,
Ian Jackson  <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>Paul Schoenly writes ("gzip and dpkg problem"):
>...
>> $ dpkg --install package_x.deb
>...
>>    gzip:stdout: Broken pipe
>>    dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
>>    dpkg: error processing package_x.deb (--install)
>>     subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
>>    Errors were encountered... (and so on)
>
>This means that SIGPIPE was set to SIG_IGN when dpkg started.  For
>reasons too complicated to explain here this means that dpkg can't do
>proper error trapping (it always gets an error indication, and can't
>tell whether it's really an error).

Can't you just set signal(SIGPIPE, SIG_DFL) first thing in the
main() function of dpkg? And if not, could you tell me why not
(sounds interesting ;))

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Newbie alert on!!!

Hi

the problem is this: I need to install a linux-box that will run 
WWW-server and a couple of mailing-lists. Just something very 
straight-forward. I installed the stable 0.93 and got the cern-server up 
and running. Now majordomo requires libc.5 and the distribution doesn't 
have that version. 

Does anyone know of majordomo.deb package that would run with the 0.93 
distribution and the libc that the distribution carries.

newbie alert off!!!!


Juhani 

.signature ????? did you really expect a .signature?  Sheesh.

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> Newbie alert on!!!
> Does anyone know of majordomo.deb package that would run with the 0.93 
> distribution and the libc that the distribution carries.
Do not use 0.93, install 1.1 aka unstable from now on, it is far more
stable than 0.93.

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Is there any program can check *.deb, something like theh tar -t for the *.tar?

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> Is there any program can check *.deb, something like theh tar -t for the *.tar?
dpkg --contents file.deb

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From: Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
To: Lawrence Chim <ychim@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>
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Subject: Re: program to check *.deb
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Lawrence Chim wrote:

> Is there any program can check *.deb, something like theh tar -t for the *.tar?
> 
Try:

dpkg --contents package-xxx.deb

Luck,

Dwarf

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Ok, I've got an interesting problem with my debian 1.1 machine.

Pertinent packages
------------------
Customized kernel, 1.99.11
amd upl102-3 (using NIS maps)
netbase 2.03-1
netstd  2.04-1
nis 1.10-2

In general, the system works well.  However, at various, semi random
times, the system will partially hang and refuse to let anyone log in
locally or remotely (remote machines are given 'hostname already in
use' errors).  The only way to recover is the big red switch. I say
'semi-random' because I believe it is tied to the daily cron jobs,
although I have cleaned them up to not access the automount points
(/stage and /home).

Nothing really shows up in the logs, although nfs error messages
sometimes show up on one of the fileservers around the time of death.

I have noticed one pertinent bug, (from /usr/doc/amd/README), but I
have done my best to make sure the daily cron jobs stay out of /amd,
/stage, and /home

2868    amd hangs on tcsh hostname completion   unresolved

Any ideas or suggestions on debugging this?

-- 
Richard W Kaszeta 			Graduate Student/Sysadmin
bofh@bofh.me.umn.edu			University of MN, ME Dept
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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:48:14 -0500
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In someone's 0.93-to-1.1 upgrade docco, they mention
dpkg-1.1.5aout.deb... I can't seem to find this, but 
it's said to be necessary to upgrade... I've currently
got a .93 aout system with dpkg-1.0.17... but 
now I'd like to upgrade, so...
help!

thanks!

 --Zachary

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Is there anywhere a simple step-by-step guide on how to go and upgrade 
one's debian? 

Juhani

.signature ????? did you really expect a .signature?  Sheesh.

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Zachary DeAquila wrote:

> 
> In someone's 0.93-to-1.1 upgrade docco, they mention
> dpkg-1.1.5aout.deb... I can't seem to find this, but 
> it's said to be necessary to upgrade... I've currently
> got a .93 aout system with dpkg-1.0.17... but 
> now I'd like to upgrade, so...
> help!
> 
I believe you will find it on any mirror site in debian/upgrades. You can
also get it from my machine at:

ftp://dwarf.polaris.net/debian/upgrade

You will also find an UpGrade script the base_list to drive it and some
notes I have made on upgrading. I am usually on the air between 10am and
2pm and 7pm to 10pm on weekdays.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I recently upgraded from syslogd 1.3-2 to sysklogd 1.3-6 manually using
dpkg. When I started dselect I was informed that syslogd and sysklogd were
in conflict, the configuration files for syslogd were still on the system.
I proceeded to purge syslogd but was informed I couldn't because it was a
required package.  I'm not sure what is happening here.  Can anyone help?

Richard



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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> This means that SIGPIPE was set to SIG_IGN when dpkg started.  For
> reasons too complicated to explain here this means that dpkg can't do
> proper error trapping (it always gets an error indication, and can't
> tell whether it's really an error).
> 
> This is a bug in one of:
>   Your inetd, telnetd, rlogind, if you're logging in over the
>     network (some versions of the Debian netbase and/or netstd
>     packages had this problem).

I get that problem when locally su-ing in an xsession

>   Your shell (I know of no shells that cause this problem).
I am using tcsh in my user account but when su and root's shell is bash.

>   The getty you're using.
>     (Some versions of getty_ps are known to have this problem.)

	It's an X session, no getty should be involve

>   The login you're using (I know of no problem here).
>   Any program which started one of the above, or which is in
>     the calling chain for dpkg.
> 


tcsh -> rxvt/xterm -> su -> bash -> dpkg

so I guess it would either be tcsh or rxvt/xterm.

[stuff removed]


> Alexander Goldstein writes ("Re: gzip and dpkg problem"):
> ...
> > I also often have the same problem sometimes (with some packages).  It
> > only happens when su-ing to root.  To bypass it, I just login directly as
> > root on a VC.  I have 1.1 system and it happened with all versions of dpkg
> > including as far way back as .96R6.
> 
> Huh ?  `su' does this ?  I don't believe it ...
> 
> ... no, `su' doesn't.  Perhaps you have `sudo' or something else in
> the calling chain.

no, no sudo, but there is either rxvt or xterm and tcsh

> 
> Please try to identify what it is that's causing the problem, so that
> we can fix it and/or tell others to avoid it :-).
> 
I will try to test it better when I get home.



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On Wed, 05 Jun 1996 21:58:07 +0200, Pino Smith <pino@deselby.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>I fetched the new disks (June 2nd version) and they do not seem to
>work as they should. Here is my report.
>
> + module configuration (most remarks are trivial ...):
>
>  fs   - binfmt_java and ufs lack an explanation
>  ipv4 - there is just one module called `*', no explanation.
>  misc - serial lacks explanation
>
>  ... but this is not:
>
>  net - no modules are detected; however modprobe from the shell seems
>        to detect the network modules. I had this problem with the
>        previous version as well.

I have the same problems. Choosing the net menu point
for a moment I see 'Segmentation fault' and I'm not able to choose any
net module. For 'lp' module everything work OK. 

At time zone configuration I cannot see what I'm typing.

After rebooting the sytems works well but no net driver so the network
is unreachable.

I boot with boot1440.bin. 

Thank you for any kind of help. 

Attila

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This is a very confusing package. The man page for getty says that the
command is agetty, but there is no agetty installed (only getty). If you
try the example:

/sbin/agetty -L 9600 ttyS1 vt100

the command is not found (it's not there!).
If I try getty with these parameters it just hangs.

As you may note, I am trying to hook up a hardwired terminal to com2. Does
anyone know how to do this with the programs installed by the getty
package? Do I need to use something else to do this? 

TIA,

Dwarf

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From: amegy@mapc.pharmacol.dote.hu (Attila Megyeri)
> I have the same problems. Choosing the net menu point
> for a moment I see 'Segmentation fault' and I'm not able to choose any
> net module. For 'lp' module everything work OK. 

OK. That's two people with the same problem. This does not happen on my
test system. I'll download and try again, just to make sure something
did not go awry before the upload.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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test

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> 
> Please do tell us what the problem is if you find out.  Telling us
> which ways of logging in cause the problem and which don't will help
> us a lot :-).
> 
Well, I just checked and even the latest(?) version, 2.0.7i, of getty_ps
sets the SIGPIPE signal to SIG_IGN.  So it likes like we need to just stay
away from getty_ps altogether (at least on ttys where pipes will be used).

Leland Lucius

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Hi,
   OK, haven't done much yet, but here's what I've done to check the 
getty/gzip/dpkg problem. 

 On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> This is a bug in one of:
>   Your inetd, telnetd, rlogind, if you're logging in over the
>     network (some versions of the Debian netbase and/or netstd
>     packages had this problem).

   I've never tried to use dpkg this way.

>   Your shell (I know of no shells that cause this problem).

   I'm using bash, so if it's bash I'm really screwed... but it's not 
(keep reading)

>   The getty you're using.
>     (Some versions of getty_ps are known to have this problem.)

   This looks like the problem! OK, I can't try this on the computer I 
mentioned in my first message, cause I had to have it running so I 
plopped slackware on it-will put debian back on tonight. So instead, on 
my other debian comp, here's what I did:

 my /etc/inittab
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 9600 tty1
2:23:respawn:/sbin/agetty 9600 tty2
3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty_ps tty3 9600 linux
4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty_ps tty4 9600 linux
5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty_ps tty5 9600 linux

So using both, here's what happened:
cat /dev/zero | true
 on tty1 and tty2 : got "Broken pipe" error msg
 on tty3+ : got "cat: write error: Broken pipe" error msg

using dpkg to install samba-1.9.14.deb (this was the package I was trying 
to install on the other computer that prompted my 1st message)
 on tty1 and tty2 : did ok
 on tty3+ : got same error message about gzip -dc

so this looks like fairly conclusive evidence for me.

>   The login you're using (I know of no problem here).

Can't help there. Except for the getty differences, I'm just using bash 
on a tty, no su, no telnet, nothing special.

>   Any program which started one of the above, or which is in
>     the calling chain for dpkg.

Can't help again.

OK, there was also a message about this problem happening in an xterm/rxvt
I tried using tcsh as root in an xterm and did get errors, but that was
due to my tcsh configuration errors rather than the one that gives you the
gzip -dc error message. So I can't really say whether this would be the
same type problem as mine. I'm very ignorant about all the inner workings
of terminals, getty's, etc., so I did try launching X from both agetty and
getty_ps, but that didn't seem to matter either. 

Well, from my end, the getty issue seems to be where the problem was 
coming from. Thanks for everyone's help! That problem was really bugging 
me. If anyone has any other tests they'd like for me to run, just let me 
know and I'd be happy to help.


-Paul Schoenly
Auburn University
paul@pharmacy.auburn.edu

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Thanks to Dirk and Guy, I got getty running on ttyS1 to a Data General
terminal (ok, ok, but I got it for free. In fact I have 6 of them) but I
still have problems.
Pressing return on the terminal causes getty to put up the login message
and prompt, just as it should. After entering a user name (getty kicks off
login) a short line of garbage that looks like it would like to say
Password but actually says:

P8^w'd

and then moves up to the previous line and prints:

dwarf (the user name)

entering the password for dwarf at this point creates a spew of reverse
video spam across several lines and eventually produces a reverse video
prompt. All input typed at the keyboard from this point on is reverse
video. Anything that I type is displayed ok on the terminal. Anything that
bash returns to the terminal is hopeless garbage. 

I have tried several terminal types (setting TERM=vt100|tty does no good)

What do I need to do to get login and bash to work?

TIA,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> Thanks to Dirk and Guy, I got getty running on ttyS1 to a Data General
> terminal (ok, ok, but I got it for free. In fact I have 6 of them) but I
> still have problems.

Install ncurses-term, and use one of these terminal types.

$ toe | grep -i 'data general'
dg200           data general dasher 200
dg460-ansi      Data General Dasher 460 in ANSI-mode
dg6053          data general 6053
dg211           Data General d211
dg450           data general 6134


Guy

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I was trying to install the 1.1-Beta of Debian Linux and my system 
hung during the intial boot. I was using the Jun 3 version of 
boot1440.bin.

My system is a 100 MHz Pentium PCI box with 32 MB RAM. It has an
Award Bios. I have a Buslogic BT-956C PCI Wide SCSI Host Adapter
with a Fujitzu 2 GB hard disk (it has 2075 cylinders).

Boot finds my Buslogic controller and says it is initialized 
succesfully. It detects the Fujitzu drive.

The last line is:
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0

It then hangs with the drive light on.

I also have a scsi cd-rom and tape drive installed. I was surprised 
that it claims:

scsi0:   Target 0: Synchronous at 10.0 mega-transfers/second

I thought the 956C was a wide FAST scsi controller that ran at 20 
megabits per second. Is that the problem? Or is it the fact that DOS 
(I have a msdos partition on /dev/sda1) thinks it has only 1024 
cylinders?

I know the machine is okay because I had been using it to run a 
Slackware version of Linux with kernel 1.2.13. Also the Slackware 
3.0.3 boot disk recognizes the drive proberly and will allow me to 
boot. I quit after fdisk'ing the drive because I decided I wanted a 
more upgradable system.

Using the old slackware install I never could get LILO to work but 
Loadlin was fine.

Please don't tell me I must use Slackware or Red Hat.


Larry Loos
Show-Me Net            e-mail: larry@showme.net
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> Thanks to Dirk and Guy, I got getty running on ttyS1 to a Data General
> terminal (ok, ok, but I got it for free. In fact I have 6 of them) but I
> still have problems.
> Pressing return on the terminal causes getty to put up the login message
> and prompt, just as it should. After entering a user name (getty kicks off
> login) a short line of garbage that looks like it would like to say
> Password but actually says:
> 
> P8^w'd
> 
> and then moves up to the previous line and prints:
> 
> dwarf (the user name)
> 
> entering the password for dwarf at this point creates a spew of reverse
> video spam across several lines and eventually produces a reverse video
> prompt. All input typed at the keyboard from this point on is reverse
> video. Anything that I type is displayed ok on the terminal. Anything that
> bash returns to the terminal is hopeless garbage. 
> 
> I have tried several terminal types (setting TERM=vt100|tty does no good)
> 
> What do I need to do to get login and bash to work?
> 

Maybe you could nose around in /etc/termcap and find something
that has to do with Data General. vt100 probably isn't going to
help you.

Regards,
Eric

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Carlos Carvalho (carlos@riglos.fisica.ufpr.br) wrote:

: using apsfilter. It's more flexible than magicfilter, btw. The config

Please explain this. Last time I used "apsfilter", it was horrible to set
up (that was more than 1 year ago).


Winfried

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Larry Loos <larry@showme.net>:
> I was surprised that it claims:
> scsi0:   Target 0: Synchronous at 10.0 mega-transfers/second
> I thought the 956C was a wide FAST scsi controller that ran at 20 
> megabits per second.

The transfer number is correct. It does the same number of transfers
per second as the narrow devices, but moves twice as much data in each
transfer. Of course this is only to "wide" devices.

> I know the machine is okay because I had been using it to run a 
> Slackware version of Linux with kernel 1.2.13.

OK, I have appended a long list of driver configuration arguments to
the end of this message. The driver is different since 1.2.13 . Please
try to use the arguments to disable stuff like tagged queueing. You would
use them at the "boot: " prompt of the installation floppy, and you would
have to edit /etc/lilo.config to put them in your LILO configuration
or give them as arguments to LOADLIN.

IF you can't figure it out, please write to Leonard N. Zubkoff
at <lnz@dandelion.com>. He is the author of the driver, and he wants
to know about any cases where it does not work. Even if you do figure
it out, it might be a good idea to tell him what you had to do.

> Using the old slackware install I never could get LILO to work but 
> Loadlin was fine.

Sometimes this is a BIOS problem. If LILO still doesn't work, try to use
it on a partition that is all below 1024 cylinders.

> Please don't tell me I must use Slackware or Red Hat.

They don't yet offer the 2.0 kernel yet and we do, that's all. Falling back
to an older kernel is easy enough to do with Debian, but I bet you will
be able to work around this.

	Thanks

	Bruce
/*
  BusLogic_Setup handles processing of Kernel Command Line Arguments.

  For the BusLogic driver, a Kernel command line entry comprises the driver
  identifier "BusLogic=" optionally followed by a comma-separated sequence of
  integers and then optionally followed by a comma-separated sequence of
  strings.  Each command line entry applies to one BusLogic Host Adapter.
  Multiple command line entries may be used in systems which contain multiple
  BusLogic Host Adapters.

  The first integer specified is the I/O Address at which the Host Adapter is
  located.  If unspecified, it defaults to 0 which means to apply this entry to
  the first BusLogic Host Adapter found during the default probe sequence.  If
  any I/O Address parameters are provided on the command line, then the default
  probe sequence is omitted.

  The second integer specified is the Tagged Queue Depth to use for Target
  Devices that support Tagged Queuing.  The Queue Depth is the number of SCSI
  commands that are allowed to be concurrently presented for execution.  If
  unspecified, it defaults to 0 which means to use a value determined
  automatically based on the Host Adapter's Total Queue Depth and the number,
  type, speed, and capabilities of the detected Target Devices.  For Host
  Adapters that require ISA Bounce Buffers, the Tagged Queue Depth is
  automatically set to BusLogic_TaggedQueueDepth_BB to avoid excessive
  preallocation of DMA Bounce Buffer memory.  Target Devices that do not
  support Tagged Queuing use a Queue Depth of BusLogic_UntaggedQueueDepth.

  The third integer specified is the Bus Settle Time in seconds.  This is
  the amount of time to wait between a Host Adapter Hard Reset which initiates
  a SCSI Bus Reset and issuing any SCSI Commands.  If unspecified, it defaults
  to 0 which means to use the value of BusLogic_DefaultBusSettleTime.

  The fourth integer specified is the Local Options.  If unspecified, it
  defaults to 0.  Note that Local Options are only applied to a specific Host
  Adapter.

  The fifth integer specified is the Global Options.  If unspecified, it
  defaults to 0.  Note that Global Options are applied across all Host
  Adapters.

  The string options are used to provide control over Tagged Queuing and Error
  Recovery. If both Tagged Queuing and Error Recovery strings are provided, the
  Tagged Queuing specification string must come first.

  The Tagged Queuing specification begins with "TQ:" and allows for explicitly
  specifying whether Tagged Queuing is permitted on Target Devices that support
  it.  The following specification options are available:

  TQ:Default		Tagged Queuing will be permitted based on the firmware
			version of the BusLogic Host Adapter and based on
			whether the Tagged Queue Depth value allows queuing
			multiple commands.

  TQ:Enable		Tagged Queuing will be enabled for all Target Devices
			on this Host Adapter overriding any limitation that
			would otherwise be imposed based on the Host Adapter
			firmware version.

  TQ:Disable		Tagged Queuing will be disabled for all Target Devices
			on this Host Adapter.

  TQ:<Per-Target-Spec>	Tagged Queuing will be controlled individually for each
			Target Device.  <Per-Target-Spec> is a sequence of "Y",
			"N", and "X" characters.  "Y" enabled Tagged Queuing,
			"N" disables Tagged Queuing, and "X" accepts the
			default based on the firmware version.  The first
			character refers to Target Device 0, the second to
			Target Device 1, and so on; if the sequence of "Y",
			"N", and "X" characters does not cover all the Target
			Devices, unspecified characters are assumed to be "X".

  Note that explicitly requesting Tagged Queuing may lead to problems; this
  facility is provided primarily to allow disabling Tagged Queuing on Target
  Devices that do not implement it correctly.

  The Error Recovery Strategy specification begins with "ER:" and allows for
  explicitly specifying the Error Recovery action to be performed when
  ResetCommand is called due to a SCSI Command failing to complete
  successfully.  The following specification options are available:

  ER:Default		Error Recovery will select between the Hard Reset and
			Bus Device Reset options based on the recommendation
			of the SCSI Subsystem.

  ER:HardReset		Error Recovery will initiate a Host Adapter Hard Reset
			which also causes a SCSI Bus Reset.

  ER:BusDeviceReset	Error Recovery will send a Bus Device Reset message to
			the individual Target Device causing the error.  If
			Error Recovery is again initiated for this Target
			Device and no SCSI Command to this Target Device has
			completed successfully since the Bus Device Reset
			message was sent, then a Hard Reset will be attempted.

  ER:None		Error Recovery will be suppressed.  This option should
			only be selected if a SCSI Bus Reset or Bus Device
			Reset will cause the Target Device to fail completely
			and unrecoverably.

  ER:<Per-Target-Spec>	Error Recovery will be controlled individually for each
			Target Device.  <Per-Target-Spec> is a sequence of "D",
			"H", "B", and "N" characters.  "D" selects Default, "H"
			selects Hard Reset, "B" selects Bus Device Reset, and
			"N" selects None.  The first character refers to Target
			Device 0, the second to Target Device 1, and so on; if
			the sequence of "D", "H", "B", and "N" characters does
			not cover all the possible Target Devices, unspecified
			characters are assumed to be "D".
*/
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I just went back to working on Octave and don't seem to have F77 any more.
I have been keeping pretty up to date on the devel section. Anyone know
what happened to it?

TIA,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to Dirk and Guy, I got getty running on ttyS1 to a Data General
> > terminal (ok, ok, but I got it for free. In fact I have 6 of them) but I
> > still have problems.
> 
> Install ncurses-term, and use one of these terminal types.
> 
> $ toe | grep -i 'data general'
> dg200           data general dasher 200
> dg460-ansi      Data General Dasher 460 in ANSI-mode
> dg6053          data general 6053
> dg211           Data General d211
> dg450           data general 6134
> 
I installed ncurses-term-1.9.9e-1.deb but when I do the toe above I get:

infocmp: can't open terminfo file BUGS.

Any Ideas?

Dwarf

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  Dale Scheetz writes:
  Dale>  I just went back to working on Octave and don't seem to have F77 any
  Dale> more.  I have been keeping pretty up to date on the devel
  Dale> section. Anyone know what happened to it?

There never was one. Take your pick among
	f2c with fort77
or
	g77.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> I installed ncurses-term-1.9.9e-1.deb but when I do the toe above I get:
> 
> infocmp: can't open terminfo file BUGS.

toe is Table Of Entries.  It just lists all the available terminfo
entries with a description.

If you ran it with no options and it gave you this error, that means
you have a file called 'BUGS' somewhere in your /usr/lib/terminfo
tree.  toe couldn't parse it because it wasn't a terminfo file.

Go look for this file BUGS, and see what package is generating it.
It's not in ncurses-term-1.9.9e-1.

Regarding your terminal, match the model # with one of those terminals
and use that as your TERM setting.


Guy

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Dale Scheetz writes:
>   Dale>  I just went back to working on Octave and don't seem to have F77 any
>   Dale> more.  I have been keeping pretty up to date on the devel
>   Dale> section. Anyone know what happened to it?
> 
> There never was one. Take your pick among
> 	f2c with fort77
> or
> 	g77.
> 
I ended up making a link to g77 and things work better.

Thanks,

Dwarf

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> > I installed ncurses-term-1.9.9e-1.deb but when I do the toe above I get:
> > 
> > infocmp: can't open terminfo file BUGS.
> 
> toe is Table Of Entries.  It just lists all the available terminfo
> entries with a description.
> 
> If you ran it with no options and it gave you this error, that means
> you have a file called 'BUGS' somewhere in your /usr/lib/terminfo
> tree.  toe couldn't parse it because it wasn't a terminfo file.
> 
> Go look for this file BUGS, and see what package is generating it.
> It's not in ncurses-term-1.9.9e-1.

Here's the 'ls -a /usr/lib/terminfo'

.
..
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
M
N
O
P
Q
R
S
T
U
V
W
X
Y
Z
a
b
c
d
e
f
g
h
i
j
k
l
m
n
o
p
q
r
s
t
terminfo
u
v
w
x
y
z


> 
> Regarding your terminal, match the model # with one of those terminals
> and use that as your TERM setting.
> 
I looked in /etc/termcap (is this the right place?) and found dg460-ansi.
When I added this to the line in inittab for getty and -HUP init the
results of the login are exactly the same.

Am I doing this right? It acts like the termtype is being totally ignored,
or at least not passed to login and bash.

Is there any way that I can check the termtype of this process from the
console? That is, can I find out what termtype the bash on ttyS1 is from a
root login at the console?

TIA,

Dwarf

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  Dale> I ended up making a link to g77 and things work better.

I wouldn't do that. Whenever I compiled octave here, ./configure was
perfectly capable of working with either f2c or g77, maybe with the help of
a --with-f2c argument, but that's about it.

If you make a link f77, one program one day will think it's native Fortran
which it is not.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> Here's the 'ls -a /usr/lib/terminfo'

Why did you send me that?  The BUGS file is probably in one of those
subdirs.  Since I don't want an ls -R /usr/lib/terminfo in my mbox,
I'll reveal the magic incantation 'find /usr/lib/terminfo -name BUGS'.

> I looked in /etc/termcap (is this the right place?)

no.  ncurses uses terminfo.

> Is there any way that I can check the termtype of this process from the
> console?

cat /proc/xxx/environ | xargs -0n1
will you show you the environment of pid xxx.  grep for TERM.


Guy

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Where are current instructions on upgrading
from debian 0.93 to 1.1 ?

 --Zachary

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Zachary DeAquila wrote:

> 
> Where are current instructions on upgrading
> from debian 0.93 to 1.1 ?
> 
The notes and upgrade script that I wrote will soon be available in
debian/upgrade. Until then, you can find them at:

ftp://dwarf.polaris.net/debian/upgrade

This site is on-line from 10am til 2pm and 7pm til 10pm weekdays.

I will make an anouncement when they get to the mirrors, after I move
them.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Hi everyone,

I am having terrible email problems.  It seems my email works only 50% of 
the time, one of three things happen each time i send/receive an email

(1) I get it

(2) It disappears into oblivion

(3)or i get this message

Date: Sat, 8 Jun 96 01:57 EST
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To: kaneda@electric.rain.aic.net.au
Subject: mail failed, returning to sender

|------------------------- Message log follows: -------------------------|
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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 96 01:57 EST
From: kaneda (Mikiel Mifsud)   

This message is telling me iam sending the message to myself, which iam not.

I am using smail and pine and havnt had problems (i hope) until recently.

The only thing that could be the problem (?) is that i have a softlink 
from my mailbox in /var/spool to my home directory (because my / is full)


ANY help MUCH appreciated

PS i tried purging and reinstalling pine/smail/mailx to no avail:(




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>>>>> Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Steve Preston wrote:

>> One explanation that would fit this behavior is that your terminal
>> is configured to expect more stop bits than the linux box is
>> sending.

> This is a very nice idea, except that it ignores the fact that getty
> can print the login message to the terminal just fine. It is only
> login and bash that don't seem to talk right. I don't see how getty
> could send slow enough to not error and login not. They are both
> using the same driver, aren't they?

Yes, they use the same driver, but your problem starts when getty
exec's login.  So I suspect that login is changing the characteristics
of the tty.

I just looked at the termios manpage, and it is possible to set the
number of stop bits to 1 or 2 (see the CSTOPB constant).  It is also
possible to set the number of databits (see the CSIZE constant) to
anything from 5 to 8.  It could be that getty sets csize and cstopb to
liberal values, like 8 data bits and 2 stop bits, and login sets one
and/or the other to smaller values.

>From bash or whatever shell, you can try saying
  stty cs8 cstopb

-- 
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> > BTW: When will 1.1 be released?
> 
> I am uploading yet another pass at the installation floppies today.
> We're also dealing with some FTP site problems. I'm going to make a new
> "stable" archive this week, and will let that propogate out to all of
> the FTP mirrors. We then will give it a few more days of testing and make
> the release.
> 

By then, Linux 2.0 should already been released.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Steve Preston wrote:

> One explanation that would fit this behavior is that your terminal is
> configured to expect more stop bits than the linux box is sending.
> 
> When you are typing and the linux box is echoing, there are long
> pauses (relative to a single bit time) between each character.  With
> these pauses, it is irrelevant how many stop bits the linux box sends,
> since the stop bits blend in with the pause.  That is, the pause after
> a character consists of a bunch of extra stop bits.
> 
> However, when the linux box is sending characters as fast as it can,
> then the start bit of the next character follows immediately after
> however many stop bits were sent previously.
> 
> If the receiver is expecting 2 stop bits, and the linux box is only
> sending 1, then the receiver will detect framing errors or, if it
> ignores framing errors, it will simply get out of sync.  That is why
> you see only six characters instead of the 9 in the "Password:"
> prompt.
> 
This is a very nice idea, except that it ignores the fact that getty can
print the login message to the terminal just fine. It is only login and
bash that don't seem to talk right. I don't see how getty could send slow
enough to not error and login not. They are both using the same driver,
aren't they?

Thanks for the idea,

Dwarf

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Will the officially release Debian 1.1 include emacs-19.31?
It would be nice since I've converted our SGI and Convex machines
already and I'd like to run the same version on the soon to be
installed Debian workstations.
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I've refrained from getting into the internals of "dialog", but it does
not look as if I have any choice. The core dump in "modconf" and the
suppression of character echo in the boot floppy are both caused by a
(reasonably simple) bug in dialog concerned with its trying to render a
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I've refrained from getting into the internals of "dialog", but it does
not look as if I have any choice. The core dump in "modconf" and the
suppression of character echo in the boot floppy are both caused by a
(reasonably simple) bug in dialog concerned with its trying to render a
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	Thanks

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It is the Aladdin version of gs you want. It is in the non-free
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>>>>> Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

> Thanks to Dirk and Guy, I got getty running on ttyS1 to a Data General
> terminal (ok, ok, but I got it for free. In fact I have 6 of them) but I
> still have problems.

> Pressing return on the terminal causes getty to put up the login message
> and prompt, just as it should. After entering a user name (getty kicks off
> login) a short line of garbage that looks like it would like to say
> Password but actually says:

> P8^w'd

> and then moves up to the previous line and prints:

> dwarf (the user name)

> entering the password for dwarf at this point creates a spew of reverse
> video spam across several lines and eventually produces a reverse video
> prompt. All input typed at the keyboard from this point on is reverse
> video. Anything that I type is displayed ok on the terminal. Anything that
> bash returns to the terminal is hopeless garbage. 

One explanation that would fit this behavior is that your terminal is
configured to expect more stop bits than the linux box is sending.

When you are typing and the linux box is echoing, there are long
pauses (relative to a single bit time) between each character.  With
these pauses, it is irrelevant how many stop bits the linux box sends,
since the stop bits blend in with the pause.  That is, the pause after
a character consists of a bunch of extra stop bits.

However, when the linux box is sending characters as fast as it can,
then the start bit of the next character follows immediately after
however many stop bits were sent previously.

If the receiver is expecting 2 stop bits, and the linux box is only
sending 1, then the receiver will detect framing errors or, if it
ignores framing errors, it will simply get out of sync.  That is why
you see only six characters instead of the 9 in the "Password:"
prompt.

I don't know if ttyS1 can be configured to send more stop bits.
Perhaps your terminal can be configured to expect fewer.

-- 
Steve Preston (spreston@gte.com)

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  David M Cooke writes:
  David>  Will the officially release Debian 1.1 include emacs-19.31? 

edd@miles:~> emacs --version
19.31.1

edd@miles:~> cat /etc/debian_version
1.1                                         

Debian 1.1 is in official beta-test and can be installed safely. Expect the
official release Real Soon Now (TM).

Emacs-19.31 seems a little more alert than 19.30. Nice job, Mark!

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I know that gs 3.53 is out for a while but I couldn't find it
in the debian ftp site.  Since only version 3 or later supports
my printer (canon BJC 600), can anyone tell me where to find
the deb file?

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> > Here's the 'ls -a /usr/lib/terminfo'

Ooops, how dull of me :-)
> 
> Why did you send me that?  The BUGS file is probably in one of those
> subdirs.  Since I don't want an ls -R /usr/lib/terminfo in my mbox,
> I'll reveal the magic incantation 'find /usr/lib/terminfo -name BUGS'.
> 
This yields nothing. There is no BUGS file in and subs of
/usr/lib/terminfo.?

> > I looked in /etc/termcap (is this the right place?)
> 
> no.  ncurses uses terminfo.
> 
/usr/lib/termifo or /etc/terminfo? These are conciderably different.
/etc/terminfo only has a (ansi) d (dump) l (linux) s (sun) v (vtxxx) and x
(xterm...)

> > Is there any way that I can check the termtype of this process from the
> > console?
> 
> cat /proc/xxx/environ | xargs -0n1
> will you show you the environment of pid xxx.  grep for TERM.
> 
This works! It tells me that the bash running on ttyS1 is, in fact,
running with the termtype passed by getty. However, none of the termtypes
I have tried have made any difference at all! I have tried: ansi, dumb,
dg6134, and dg640-ansi with no effect at all.

I would suspect the terminal, except getty writes cleanly to the terminal.
It is only login and bash that misbehave.

Still banging my head,

Dwarf

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>   David M Cooke writes:
>   David>  Will the officially release Debian 1.1 include emacs-19.31?
> 
> edd@miles:~> emacs --version
> 19.31.1

Where is the .deb file?  I checked unstable/binary/editors and found:
-r--r--r--   1 daemon   ftp-linu  5071046 Mar  7 03:40 emacs-19.30-1.deb
-r--r--r--   1 daemon   ftp-linu  2806228 Mar  7 03:42 emacs-el-19.30-1.deb

thanks.
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  David> Where is the .deb file? 

Oh, sorry, I must have taken emacs-19.31 from the developers system. 

The public archive lags a little, mostly a day, sometimes a little longer. 
Expect to see emacs-19.31 in unstable/binary/editors any time now.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Steve Preston wrote:

> >From bash or whatever shell, you can try saying
>   stty cs8 cstopb

Ok! We are narrowing the field. 

The above command locks up the terminal big time, but...

stty cs7 cstopb

fixes it!

Now the question is: How do I get login to leave the stop bits alone?
I can put the above command into .bashrc, but this will not fix login and
I will still get the bunged password prompt.
Looks like it's time to talk with Guy :-)

Thanks for all the help,

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I recently upgraded one of our machine's base packages and other packages
to the latest 1.1 versions.  Now when attempting to telnet to the machine,
a connection is established, the issue file is printed and then we see this:

You must exec login from the lowest level shell.
Connection closed by foreign host.

Anyone have a clue on what might be the cause of this?  Any suggestion
would be helpful.  Thanks.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> This yields nothing. There is no BUGS file in and subs of
> /usr/lib/terminfo.?

I'm only assuming there is because of your weird error.  I got the same
error when I manually created a file called BUGS.

> /usr/lib/termifo or /etc/terminfo? These are conciderably different.
> /etc/terminfo only has a (ansi) d (dump) l (linux) s (sun) v (vtxxx) and x
> (xterm...)

/usr/lib/terminfo is the full terminfo library, but may not be
available on boot.  /etc/terminfo presumably contains the console
entry.  If you boot off this terminal, be sure and copy the right
terminfo entry into here.

> I would suspect the terminal, except getty writes cleanly to the terminal.
> It is only login and bash that misbehave.

You told me in other mail that the problem was fixed with 'stty cs7
cstopb'.  I think I know what the problem is, login doing a vhangup()
when it shouldn't, but I have to think if my solution is safe.  I'll
get back to you.


Guy

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Brian Sulcer wrote:

> You must exec login from the lowest level shell.
> Connection closed by foreign host.

There appears to be some utmp corruption and login isn't checking for
it.  login-1.0.5 should fix this (it just checks if the entry is stale;
there's still a race condition somewhere corrupting it).

You can get this package off master.debian.org in /debian/Incoming.  I
will do a dinstall run later today so if it's not there, look in
/debian/unstable/binary/base.  Or wait a day or 2 for it to hit your
mirror.

Temporarily you can fix the problem by starting an xterm and killing it.
That will clear out the dud utmp entry.


Guy

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Does anyone know how to prevent a blank page from being printed at the
end of the print job when printing a .lj file created using dvilj?
Couldn't find anything in the lpr or dvilj manpage.  Any help would be
appreciated. 

Thanks in advance.---Richard

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Richard Lovison (rlovison@plato.simons-rock.edu) wrote on 7 June 1996 18:35:
 >Does anyone know how to prevent a blank page from being printed at the
 >end of the print job when printing a .lj file created using dvilj?
 >Couldn't find anything in the lpr or dvilj manpage.  Any help would be
 >appreciated. 

We had this problem also, but it disappeared when I upgraded to 1.1,
at least up to now.

Carlos

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16MB SIMMS are being advertised in the Bay area for $110 to $115. They
are 4x32 60 ns 72-pin types. That's $7/MB.

	Bruce

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Hello!

	I'm in need of a debian kernel compiled with the 21040 ethernet driver.
	
	While being familiar with the overall installation and  
configuration of Linux, I am woefully lacking in an understanding of how to  
obtain a kernel compiled with a driver that does not appear to be included  
in the Debian 1.1 beta kernel.
	
	Unfortunately, because I do not have access to a working Linux box  
with enough drive space to compile my own kernel, I'm in need of an  
alternative source.
	
	Any assistance would be highly appreciated!
	
	thanks,
	b.bum

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Carlos Carvalho wrote:

> Richard Lovison (rlovison@plato.simons-rock.edu) wrote on 7 June 1996 18:35:
>  >Does anyone know how to prevent a blank page from being printed at the
>  >end of the print job when printing a .lj file created using dvilj?
>  >Couldn't find anything in the lpr or dvilj manpage.  Any help would be
>  >appreciated. 
> 
> We had this problem also, but it disappeared when I upgraded to 1.1,
> at least up to now.

Hmmm, I'm running 1.1 using an Okidata OL 400 LED printer.

Richard 

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Steve Preston wrote:
> 
> Ok! We are narrowing the field. 
> 
> The above command locks up the terminal big time, but...
> 
> stty cs7 cstopb
> 
> fixes it!
> 
> Now the question is: How do I get login to leave the stop bits alone?
> I can put the above command into .bashrc, but this will not fix login and
> I will still get the bunged password prompt.
> Looks like it's time to talk with Guy :-)

Sounds like you've nearly got it working, but here's a tip for you:

Rather than change s/w settings on the unix box, change the setup on the
terminal(s) so that they are as 'standard' as possible.  This means, if
the terminal setup allows it, set them to 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no
parity.  Also, unless the term's native mode provides features you need,
set the terminal to emulate vt-100 or similar.

This way, you (or whoever logs in on the terminal) can avoid having
to have special case stuff in ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile to set the
environment properly according to where they've logged in from.

It also follows the KISS principle - Keep It Simple Stupid - which i've
found is a damn good principle to follow :-)



i went down the same 'terminals are cheap/free so use them' path when
i first started with linux a few years ago...in fact, multi-user &
cheap/free dumb terminals was one of the main reasons i originally
switched to linux.  

So if you're still having troubles email me and i'll do what i can to help
you out.  email me directly...i just accepted a new job and dont have as
much time to read the mailing lists as i used to. 


Another way of doing it:
------------------------

If you CAN'T for some reason set the terminal as above, then you'll have
to edit /etc/rc.boot/0setserial to do an 'stty cs7 cstopb' or whatever
else is needed on the terminal.  Setting the line characteristics of
a hardwired terminal should be done BEFORE getty or login run on the
terminal - i.e. during the bootup process.

Also, if you do this you might want to put something like the following
in /etc/profile, to force the right settings every time someone logs in
(just in case the previous logged in user mucked up the stty settings):

if [ "`tty`" = "/dev/ttyS1" ] ; then
  stty cs7 cstopb
  alias exit='stty cs7 cstopb ; exit'
  alias logout='stty cs7 cstopb ; logout'
fi

This runs the right stty command at login, and aliases 'exit' and 'logout'
to make sure they're set properly on logout.

Craig

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Where are the debian news groups?  Have they completely shut down
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I remember seeing in the kernel mailing list that pre2.0.13 breaks
incoming telnets.  Are you by chance using this kernel? 

Gerry
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 On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Brian Sulcer wrote:

> I recently upgraded one of our machine's base packages and other packages
> to the latest 1.1 versions.  Now when attempting to telnet to the machine,
> a connection is established, the issue file is printed and then we see this:
> 
> You must exec login from the lowest level shell.
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> Anyone have a clue on what might be the cause of this?  Any suggestion
> would be helpful.  Thanks.
> 
> -- 
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I'm doing my first install of Debian Linux using the 1.1-Beta. I have 
the initial system installed and now I'm trying to install the 
packages that I want.  When I tried I got many errors that say it 
needs libc.so.4. Where is it?

I'm obviously a newbie to Debian and appreciate any help some kind
soul will give me.

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Richard Lovison writes ("sysklogd upgrade"):
> I recently upgraded from syslogd 1.3-2 to sysklogd 1.3-6 manually using
> dpkg. When I started dselect I was informed that syslogd and sysklogd were
> in conflict, the configuration files for syslogd were still on the system.
> I proceeded to purge syslogd but was informed I couldn't because it was a
> required package.  I'm not sure what is happening here.  Can anyone help?

This is a bug.  I'll change it in dpkg 1.2.4.  You should be able to
purge a package that is marked as essential if it is no longer
installed due to having been replaced.

If syslogd is written properly there should be no problems with
syslogd 1.3-2 remaining in the `config-files' state.

Ian.

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Paul Schoenly writes ("gzip and dpkg problem"):
> ...
> > $ dpkg --install package_x.deb
> ...
> >    gzip:stdout: Broken pipe
> >    dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
> >    dpkg: error processing package_x.deb (--install)
> >     subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
> >    Errors were encountered... (and so on)
> 
> This means that SIGPIPE was set to SIG_IGN when dpkg started.  For
> reasons too complicated to explain here this means that dpkg can't do
> proper error trapping (it always gets an error indication, and can't
> tell whether it's really an error).
> 

[ much stuff deleted ] 
> 
> Please do tell us what the problem is if you find out.  Telling us
> which ways of logging in cause the problem and which don't will help
> us a lot :-).  If you don't want to bother trying to install packages
> (and it sometimes works even if the bug is present), try:
>   cat /dev/zero | true
> If the bug isn't present this produces just `Broken pipe' (assuming
> you're using bash as your shell).  If the bug is present it will
> produce `cat: write error: Broken pipe'.

ok, I am pretty sure I can blame this on xsm.  Whenever I try this
test in rxvt start by xsm or in rxvt started from that original rxvt,
it fails, if I start rxvt from a window manager (fvwm2) which is
itself started by xsm, the test does not fail.  Strange.  I guess fvwm resets
that handler correctly.



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Dear Debian-Linux colleagues:

A few days ago, I had mentioned in this newsgroup a problem I was
having with using my commercial license of NAG Fortran on the new
Debian 1.1 upgrade.  I wish to report here the fix to the problem.

As one might expect, the problem is due to Debian 1.1 being an all-elf
installation while earlier versions were either all-aout or
mixed-aout-elf.  It turns out that my system was mixed, and already
had the old libc4 libraries loaded.  Since my version of NAG is an
a.out system, I had originally thought that I needed to specifically
point the compiler to the a.out libraries on my system.

However, as it turned out, the compiler needed the a.out version of
the gcc compiler.  More specifically, the NAG compiler looks for a
hard-coded /usr/bin/gcc to execute.  I simply had to create a symlink

ln -s /usr/i486-linuxaout/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc

after renaming /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc.elf, and my normal NAG
compile commands will work.  The Debian 1.1 conveniently makes
available several of the old a.out packages under the
/usr/i486-linuxaout tree.

If someone can dream up a more intelligent way of pointing apps
between gcc(aout) and gcc(elf), I would appreciate it.  As it stands
now, I will have to manually change gcc each time I want to use NAG
FORTRAN and an elf-binary build. 

Incidently, the NAG folks told me I had to purchase an elf-upgrade of the
compiler to get it to work on my system.  Since my kernel is now built
to run both elf and aout executables, that is not the case.

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> Now the question is: How do I get login to leave the stop bits alone?
/etc/gettydefs is used for this, but debian has no support for it.. hmm..
guess thats a login problem.

Greetings
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>I think it would be sufficient for people to list their qualifications
>and let the customer decide.

The Better Business Bureau approach of keeping a file of complaints might
also be useful.

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> 
> It should be a simple fix to getty_ps; if anyone packages it for
> Debian this will be an easy thing to do at the same time.
> 
Yep, it looks REAL simple.  It there isn't a current maintainer, I'll
package it up.

L.Lucius

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I tried to send this to debian-bugs, but it hasn't been delivered for
2 days, so I'm posting it here as well.

Carlos
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451 submit@bugs.debian.org... timeout waiting for input
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[headers trimmed]

The newer base packages create /dev/tty* with permission rw-rw----.
This causes an error when you try to open an xterm/rxvt window. They
quit with "couldn't open a pseudo-terminal" msg. I don't know whose
fault it is.

However, the newest sysvinit has this command in the boot script:

chmod 666 /dev/tty[pqrs]*

So there seems to be a disagreement between the maintainers, no?

Carlos
PS: please Cc: me, I don't get debian-bugs.

Carlos
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Hmmm, I keep getting

inetd[3543]: getpwnam: nobody: No such user

messages on my xconsole. The 'nobody' user is defined in /etc/passwd,
so what's going on? As far as I know, I'm running the latest
development ("unstable") release of Debian (1.1).

It's not fatal, just annoying. Mostly I'm curious as to what's causing
it.

//Petri

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Fundamental wrote:

> The only thing that could be the problem (?) is that i have a softlink
> from my mailbox in /var/spool to my home directory (because my / is
> full)


You probably should have partitioned the disk so that /var and/or
/var/spool were separate partitions.  Too late for that now, unless you
want to reformat.

You can still add another drive and mount a partition as /var if you
want.


Another way to do this is to move the mail spool directory to a
partition with more space available.

e.g. if /usr has lots of free space, try doing the following:

mkdir -p /usr/spool
cp -af /var/spool/mail /usr/spool
rm -rf /var/spool/mail
ln -s /var/spool/mail /usr/spool/mail


This is the reason why i tend to mount extra drives/partitions as
general purpose directories (e.g. /usr1, /usr2, /usr3 etc) rather than
as special purpose directories (e.g. /var/spool/mail, /var/spool/news).

It gives me the flexibility to move spool directories etc around on
my system from one disk to another, and just change the sym link in
/var/spool to point to the new location.

e.g. on my system, /usr2 (a 540MB quantum scsi) has a directory 
called /usr2/spool.  

/usr3 (a 650MB Micropolis scsi) also has /usr3/spool. 

news spool is in /usr2/spool/news, and mail is in /usr3/spool/mail.  I
want nn's database on a separate drive from the main news spool (to
minimise disk thrashing) so that's in /usr3/spool/nn. 

With appropriate sym links in /var/spool, I don't even have to recompile
anything - it all works transparently to the programs.

$ ls -alF /var/spool | grep -- "->"

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           16 Jun 10 17:32 mail -> /usr3/spool/mail/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           16 Jun 10 17:32 news -> /usr2/spool/news/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           14 Jun 10 17:32 nn -> /usr3/spool/nn/


Some people will probably think that this is an ugly way of doing things
- and i can see their point.  But for me, the flexibility is worth a
little bit of ugliness.


Craig

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Miquel van Smoorenburg writes ("Re: gzip and dpkg problem"):
> In article <m0uRU5X-0002ZlC@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>,
> Ian Jackson  <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >This means that SIGPIPE was set to SIG_IGN when dpkg started.  For
> >reasons too complicated to explain here this means that dpkg can't do
> >proper error trapping (it always gets an error indication, and can't
> >tell whether it's really an error).
> 
> Can't you just set signal(SIGPIPE, SIG_DFL) first thing in the
> main() function of dpkg? And if not, could you tell me why not
> (sounds interesting ;))

Yes, I *could* do that.  However, if I did I would simply be covering
up a problem which ought to be a problem for many programs other than
dpkg but which isn't solely because of sloppy programming.

If I add any code to dpkg with respect to this it'll be a check which
makes it bomb out with an informative message.  See, for example, my
approach to trying to run dpkg with a bad PATH.

Ian.

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llucius@millcomm.com writes ("Re: gzip and dpkg problem"):
> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Please do tell us what the problem is if you find out.  Telling us
> > which ways of logging in cause the problem and which don't will help
> > us a lot :-).
> 
> Well, I just checked and even the latest(?) version, 2.0.7i, of getty_ps
> sets the SIGPIPE signal to SIG_IGN.  So it likes like we need to just stay
> away from getty_ps altogether (at least on ttys where pipes will be used).

It should be a simple fix to getty_ps; if anyone packages it for
Debian this will be an easy thing to do at the same time.

Ian.

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I haven't heard anything from the list in a while, just checking to see if
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> I remember seeing in the kernel mailing list that pre2.0.13 breaks
> incoming telnets.  Are you by chance using this kernel? 
> 
> Gerry
> gerry@blue.intele.net

It turns out that the problem was with the version of login I had installed.
The maintainer pointed me to the newest version and that fixed the problem.
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Before installing Debian Linux, I was able to log in
as root over telnet. Now it is refused. I am simply
using a Windows system as a Linux console over
ethernet. How do I fix this?
Paul Wsde

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As Linux 2.0 already released, I think it should be included
in the debain 1.1 official release.

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Hi again,
I just noticed I didn't metion that I am running debian 1.1 (beta) and
dpkg -s dpkg gives:

Package: dpkg
Essential: yes
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Maintainer: Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>
Version: 1.2.3elf
Replaces: dpkgname
Pre-Depends: libc5 (>= 5.2.18-2), ncurses3.0
Conflicts: dpkgname
Description: Package maintenance system for Debian Linux
 This package contains the programs which handle the installation and
 removal of packages on your system.
 .
 The primary interface for the dpkg suite is the `dselect' program;
 a more low-level and less user-friendly interface is available in
 the form of the `dpkg' command.

Sorry and thanks!
Luis

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Hi,
I have just had something strange happening to me. I tried to update some
packages using dselect with the NFS option. When going into the install option
I would get an error from find about not being able to find the directory. The
strange thing though is that the directory was correct and the available packages were correctly updated. Mounting the partition by hand and using dselect
works. I recently updated dpkg so I thought there might be a problem with it.
Has anyone had something similar happen to them? Am I just doing something
really stupid?

Thanks in advance,
Luis.

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It would appear that the boot disks for debian 1.1 beta don't have
generic ncr-810 SCSI support - the .93 disks did.  Are there
alternative boot disks available with this support?  I perused the
installation document and saw no mention of it.

Thanks,
	Dale

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Larry Loos wrote:

> I'm doing my first install of Debian Linux using the 1.1-Beta. I have 
> the initial system installed and now I'm trying to install the 
> packages that I want.  When I tried I got many errors that say it 
> needs libc.so.4. Where is it?
> 
This is in the libc4 package in section devel.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Hi,

	Is Linux 2.0 going to be included in Debian 1.1 once it's
release?
	Thanks.

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In your email to me, Paul Wade, you wrote:
> 
> Before installing Debian Linux, I was able to log in
> as root over telnet. Now it is refused. I am simply
> using a Windows system as a Linux console over
> ethernet. How do I fix this?

Fix it? It's not really broken. The 'normal' security rules say
no root logins from anywhere but the console so you can't get your
root password sniffed... if you want to 'break' the security on your
system, look at /etc/securetty

Tim

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Hi,

I want to upgrade my debian 1.0 to 1.1.
I have installed the new dpkg (1.2.3 elf)
then followed the steps in dselect.
then dselect failed in the Install step with the following error:

Running dpkg -iGROEB /u2/debian/binary
find: /u2/debian/binary/admin/tob-0.14-1.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/base/adduser-1.99-1.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/hamradio/p10cfgd-1.0-3.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/misc/mailcrypt-3.4-1.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/misc/ncurses-term-1.9.9e-1.deb: No such file or directoy
find: /u2/debian/binary/net/mirror-2.8-5.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/net/xntp-doc-3.5c-1.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/tex/latex2e-doc-1.6-0.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/tex/xypic-3.2-4.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/text/apsfilter-4.9.1-6.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/text/gsfonts-2.62-2.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/text/igerman-2-3.deb: No such file or directory

-- find: /u2/debian/binary/text/texidoc-3.7-1.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/text/wgerman-2-3.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfnt100-3.1.2-6.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfnt75-3.1.2-6.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntbase-3.1.2-4.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntbig-3.1.2-6.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntcyr-3.1.2-6.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntpex-3.1.2-3.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntscl-3.1.2-7.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/x11/xmanpages-3.1.2-6.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/devel/autoconf-2.10-2.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/devel/CGI-modules-2.75-3.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/devel/dejagnu-1.3-4.deb: No such file or directory
find: /u2/debian/binary/devel/kernel-headers-1.99.7-0.deb: No such file or direy
find: /u2/debian/binary/devel/kernel-source-1.99.7-0.deb: No such file or direcy
find: /u2/debian/binary/doc/manpages-1.11-4.deb: No such file or directory
dpkg: subprocess find returned error exit status 1

installation script returned error exit status 1.
Press RETURN to continue.


The problem is that all these files do exists. and when in type 
for example
find /u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntscl-3.1.2-7.deb
I get:
/u2/debian/binary/x11/xfntscl-3.1.2-7.deb
This confirms that find is OK and that I have the file, but dselect
does not think that I have the file

Any help will be appreciated

-Oz
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In your email to me, Larry Loos, you wrote:
> 
> I'm doing my first install of Debian Linux using the 1.1-Beta. I have 
> the initial system installed and now I'm trying to install the 
> packages that I want.  When I tried I got many errors that say it 
> needs libc.so.4. Where is it?
> 
> I'm obviously a newbie to Debian and appreciate any help some kind
> soul will give me.

Dselect can search for it... just do '/libc' and you'll find it.

Tim

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Juhani Luhtanen writes ("Howto upgrade 0.93 --> 1.1"):
> Is there anywhere a simple step-by-step guide on how to go and upgrade 
> one's debian? 

1. Install the latest a.out dpkg from the `upgrades' directory, for
example `dpkg --install dpkg-1.2.3.deb'.

2. Run dselect and go through Access/Update/Select/Install/Remove in
order.

Ian.

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A list reader kindly replied:
> in unstable/devel/libc4-4.6.27-15.deb .  Are you sure you're installing
> packages from the correct tree (_un_stable)? Packages that depend on libc4 are 
> in the a.out binary format, which is being replaced by ELF.

I received several private messages from readers of the list. I was
not using the correct tree as this person suggested. I will move to
the 'unstable' directory. 

I realize that 1.1-Beta is supposted to move to stable sometime on
the 12th so I will need to watch the mirrors to get the correct ones.

Thanks to everyone who offered help.

Larry Loos
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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Larry Loos wrote:

> I'm doing my first install of Debian Linux using the 1.1-Beta. I have 
> the initial system installed and now I'm trying to install the 
> packages that I want.  When I tried I got many errors that say it 
> needs libc.so.4. Where is it?

Hmm... Many packages need libc4? Are you sure you've got 1.1-beta, (i.e. 
from the unstable tree)? Because very few packages in there still depend
on libc4.

Anyhow, the package that contains libc.so.4 is "libc4" and it is in the
devel section.

   Christian


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>I think it would be sufficient for people to list their qualifications
>and let the customer decide.

The Better Business Bureau approach of keeping a file of complaints might
also be useful.

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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Paul Wade wrote:

> Before installing Debian Linux, I was able to log in
> as root over telnet. Now it is refused. I am simply
> using a Windows system as a Linux console over
> ethernet. How do I fix this?

man securetty

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I can point setserial at a particular port, but can't seem to tell it to
set the stop bits to two.
I can tell stty to set the stop bits, but can only seem to use it while on
the tty in question. Is there any way to point stty at the port I want
changed?

TIA,

Dwarf

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I just upgraded my 0.93 laptop to 1.1, and now traceroute 
doesn't work... traceroute to anyplace returns

traceroute: IP_HDRINCL:Protocol not available


any ideas anyone?

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"Larry Loos" <Larry@showme.net> writes:

> I'm doing my first install of Debian Linux using the 1.1-Beta. I have 
> the initial system installed and now I'm trying to install the 
> packages that I want.  When I tried I got many errors that say it 
> needs libc.so.4. Where is it?

Where did you get the packages you're installing?  Most of the new
packages depend on libc5, the ELF libc.  It should have been installed
when you upgraded to Debian 1.1.  If you have old packages which
depend on libc4, and you still need to use for some reason, you can
get the libc4 (not libc4-dev) package from the development tree.  It
provides libc4 binary compatibility.

--
Rob 

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Would the release of debian 1.1 use the new stable Linux (v2.0)?

--Derek Lee

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Dale Martin <dmartin@ece.uc.edu> wrote:
] It would appear that the boot disks for debian 1.1 beta don't have
] generic ncr-810 SCSI support - the .93 disks did.  Are there
] alternative boot disks available with this support?  I perused the
] installation document and saw no mention of it.

   I ran in to this same problem.  I made a custom boot disk with the 
NCR driver.  It's available at:
ftp://ftp.cs.colorado.edu/users/kuzminsk/boot-disk.gz

   It's not the latest and greatest version kernel, and it doesnt mimick
the Debian boot disk exactly, but it's worked well for me.

   
Sebastian Kuzminsky
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Rob Browning wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if it'll be packaged in time for the initial 1.1 release,
> but it'll certainly be available shortly thereafter.
> 
> Anyway, using the new kernel-package package, it's pretty trivial to
> do it yourself.
> 
I am afraid I am not familiar with the kernel-package package.
Is this a package to build any kernel version and install it in
a debian way?

Derek

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dkklee@MIT.EDU writes:

> Would the release of debian 1.1 use the new stable Linux (v2.0)?

I'm not sure if it'll be packaged in time for the initial 1.1 release,
but it'll certainly be available shortly thereafter.

Anyway, using the new kernel-package package, it's pretty trivial to
do it yourself.

--
Rob

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> Before installing Debian Linux, I was able to log in
> as root over telnet. Now it is refused. I am simply
> using a Windows system as a Linux console over
> ethernet. How do I fix this?
> Paul Wsde

Try adding the ttyp* ports in the /etc/securetty:

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# $Id: securetty,v 3.0 1994/09/09 03:38:19 imurdock Exp $

tty1
tty2
tty3
tty4
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ie: ttyp0 ttyp1 ttyp2 and so forth.

...Karl

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First, thanks to all who assisted me with the Tulip+2940 kernel-- as it  
turns out, debian 1.1 ships with the tulip driver as a dynamically loadable  
module... so, merely adding 'tulip' to /etc/modules fixes the lacking driver  
problem!!! [though, tulip didn't work for me-- i had to use the *other*  
21040 driver].

Anyway, NEXT PROBLEM:

I'm now building an older 486 DX/2 with Debian 1.1beta.  I have already  
built it once using the internal 80 MB IDE drive [blech!], but have recently  
obtained a Trantor T130B SCSI card (and already have a 400 MB SCSI drive I  
can recycle).

BUT;  I'm having a hard time configuring *something* such that Debian  
recongizes the drive.  I'm pretty sure it is recognizing the controller card  
[then again, maybe not].

I suspect that I have not correctly terminated the SCSI bus, but need some  
assistance in figuring out *exactly* how it should be terminated.   
Specifically, the SCSI controller card has a 25-pin port on the back (YUCK!)  
and a 50 pin connector on the board.  The dip switches are set such that it  
is IRQ 5 at port 350H (0x350?).  It is an NCR53c400 based controller card.

The 50 pin connector has three terminating resistor packs ajacent to it...

SO: Question:

I want to connect a Seagate ST1480N drive to the card via the internal 50  
pin connector... What needs to be terminated and how should the drive be  
configured?

Specifically, does the 25 pin connector on the back need a terminator?
Should the terminating resistor packs on the card remain on the card?
How should the drive be configured?

Tech specs on the Trantor are here:

<http://www.wi-inf.uni-essen.de/~schwarze/nt/karten/scsi37.html

Tech specs on the Seagate are here:

<http://www.storagedimensions.com/support/map1480n.html

Any assistance would be MOST appreciated!  I am a intel hardware  
neophyte... so bear with any stupidity, please!

thanks,
b.bum

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  Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian Linux
  Sven Rudolph, sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de
  $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.18 1996/06/11 19:54:00 sr1 Exp sr1 $
  ______________________________________________________________________

  Table of Contents:

  1.	General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian Linux

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  1.3.	What do I need to know in order to become a package maintainer
  ?

  1.4.	Feedback

  2.	Packages that have no current maintainer

  3.	Packages that the maintainer wants to give away

  4.	Packages that someone is working on

  5.	Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  5.1.	Programming and development:

  5.2.	Mail software:

  5.3.	USENET news software:

  5.4.	Math packages:

  5.5.	Graphics:

  5.6.	Misc Tools:

  5.7.	Editors:

  5.8.	Games:

  5.9.	X11:

  5.10.	Communication

  5.11.	TeX

  5.12.	Networking

  5.13.	System Tools

  5.14.	Text utilities

  6.	Programs that someone should write

  7.	Beyond packages
  ______________________________________________________________________

  1.  General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian Linux

  Please read the Debian Linux FAQ.  The Debian Linux WWW server is at
  http://www.debian.org/ , the FAQ is located at
  http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ . The FAQ is available via FTP at
  ftp.debian.org:/debian/doc .

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  This document is intended to identify areas that need your
  contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
  often, so it supplements the Debian Linux FAQ.

  1.3.	What do I need to know in order to become a package maintainer ?

  Please read the documents at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-
  developer/ .

  The packaging guidelines are included in the dpkg-1.1.0 package.

  You should subscribe to the debian-devel mailing list, details are
  given in the FAQ.

  1.4.	Feedback

  Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
  Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de.  Please mention to which version of
  this document your comments refer.

  2.  Packages that have no current maintainer

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian (unless they
  have too many bugs), but the maintainer had reasons to not continue
  maintaining it. (Remember: Debian is mainly produced by volunteers who
  are not paid for maintaining Debian packages.)

  If you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package, send
  me an e-mail.

  If you believe that the following list is incomplete, i.e., that there
  are other packages in the Debian distribution that currently have no
  active maintainer, send me an e-mail.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, send me
  an e-mail.

  previously maintained by Ian Murdock imurdock@debian.org :

  o  acm

  o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)

  o  elisp-manual

  o  glibcdoc

  o  metamail

  o  pmake

  previously maintained by Ian Jackson ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :

  o  trn

  3.  Packages that the maintainer wants to give away

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian, but the
  maintainer wants to find a new maintainer. It isn't as urgent to find
  a new maintainer as in the previous section.

  If you maintain Debian packages that you would like to hand off, send
  me an e-mail, then I will add this package to this section.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, write
  to the current maintainer of this package.

  currently maintained by Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :

  o  seyon

  currently maintained by David Engel david@ods.com :

  o  tclX

  currently maintained by Christian Linhart chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at :

  o  statserial

  o  tgif

  o  xarchie

  currently maintained by Ian Jackson ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :

  o  m4

  o  cron

  currently maintained by Jim Robinson jimr@simons-rock.edu :

  o  pari

  currently maintained by Michael Meskes meskes@Informatik.RWTH-
  Aachen.DE :

  o  xsysinfo

  o  xcolors

  o  xautolock

  4.  Packages that someone is working on

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

  If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
  responsible person listed below.

  Chris Fearnley cjf@netaxs.com :

  o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)

  o  and probably : xli, Tix, povray

  krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) :

  o  CLX - Common Lisp Xlib implementation

  o  PCL - Portable Common Loops for GCL

  Dale Miller dale@csd.uwo.ca :

  o  lclint (ftp://larch.lcs.mit.edu/pub/Larch/lclint/ )

  Richard Kaszeta kaszeta@me.umn.edu :

  o  xmotd

  Mike Wilson cmwilson@uncc.edu :

  o  mule

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :

  o  xbill

  o  NCSA Mosaic (waiting for 2.7)

  "behan (b.) webster" behanw@bnr.ca

  o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)

  o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

  wendal@onyx.southwind.net:

  o  tkHTML

  Darren torin@daft.com :

  o  netpbm, mew, giftool

  "Prud'homme Christophe" prudhomm@lions.asci.fr :

  o  Xemacs

  Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca :

  o  BBDB (for Emacs: Big Brother Data Base, a rolodex with hooks into
     VM, GNUS, and RMAIL)

  Michael Alan Dorman mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu :

  o  glimpsehttpd

  Warwick Harvey warwick@cs.mu.OZ.AU :

  o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
     strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

  Patrick.Weemeeuw@kulnet.KULeuven.ac.be :

  o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
     http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

  marcus@sysc.pdx.edu :

  o  CLISP

  David H. Silber dhs@firefly.com :

  o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.

  o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.

  o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
     uucp package.

  o  latex2html

  Karl R. Sackett krs@caos.aamu.edu :

  o  wily - work-alike of Acme programming environment for Plan9

  o  9term - terminal emulator similar to 8-1/2 windows

  o  libXg - UTF-2 fonts for Sam and 9term

  o  exmh - X user interface for MH mail

  o  faces - visual list monitor

  Brian Sulcer bsulcer@gibson.com :

  o  vile (vi-like editor)

  o  rogue

  o  umoria

  Martin Schulze joey@infodrom.north.de :

  o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

  Michael Shields shields@crosslink.net :

  o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.

  o  nntplink

  Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com :

  o  spice (circuit simulation package)

  o  gforth

  Billy Chow billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk :

  o  koules

  o  xbomb

  o  dos2unix unix2dos

  Alan Bain afrb2@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :

  o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

  Ed Petron epetron@leba.net :

  o  tkps (tk-based "top")

  Christophe Le Bars clebars@teaser.fr :

  o  Caml (A small, portable implementation of the ML language.)

  o  Objective Caml: Caml dialect extended with a complete class-based
     object system

  o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml

  Mike Coleman coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu :

  o  nn (newsreader)

  o  jdk (Java development kit, no source available)

  Yves Arrouye arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> :

  o  gs-ppd (a set of PPD files for my Ghostscript drivers)

  o  adobe-ppd	Adobe-supplied PPD files (found on ftp.adobe.com)

  o  psptools (tools for PS printers making advantage of PPD files)

  o  compress-package (a package for packaging compress)

  o  btoa

  Erick Branderhorst branderh@debian.org :

  o  awk2c

  Emilio Lopes ecl@fnpc21.if.usp.br :

  o  ratfor77

  Jon Rabone 93jkr@eng.cam.ac.uk :

  o  SISCAD

  5.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.

  If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.

  5.1.	Programming and development:

  o  GNU Pascal.

  o  UPS - the X-based debugger.  Probably not worth building until
     we've switched to ELF. (There are Linux-specific patches around.)

  o  checker

  o  Scheme->C

  o  SCM - Scheme interpreter which will soon be the basis of the GNU
     extension language.

  o  SLIB.

  o  CLISP - Common Lisp interpreter

  o  ECoLisp - a Common Lisp compiler that produces faster code but
     isn't as widely used as GCL

  o  CLiCC - Common Lisp compiler that generates stand-alone apps
     (rather large ones, though)

  o  GNAT (GNU Ada Translator)

  o  Postgres95

  5.2.	Mail software:

  o  mailtool

  5.3.	USENET news software:

  o  strn.

  5.4.	Math packages:

  o  SC (the spreadsheet). (oleo is already available)

  o  GNU calc (see the Emacs list ...).

  o  SNNS Stuttgart Neural Network Simulator (ftp.informatik.uni-
     stuttgart.de)

  o  SciLab

  o  Yorick

  o  MuPAD (computer algebra tool from University of Paderborn, Germany
     http://gauss-mb.uni-paderborn.de/ cube/ , please look at the
     license conditions.)

  o  calctool

  o  felt

  o  LAPACK and BLAS (numerical libraries,
     http://nils.wustl.edu/schiotz/lapack-linux.html )

  5.5.	Graphics:

  o  Kubota Graphics Corporation's now-PD 3-D visualization system,
     Dore'.

  5.6.	Misc Tools:

  o  zoo/unzoo (packer)

  o  binhex

  5.7.	Editors:

  o  NEdit ( http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html , requires Motif)

  o  jed (small emacs-like)

  5.8.	Games:

  o  rocks and diamonds

  o  xgalaga (space-invaders style game)

  o  xibc (backgammon)

  o  xevil

  o  xjewel

  5.9.	X11:

  o  Andrew

  o  ImageMagick (image viewer) (This package would belong into the non-
     free section if it provides the creation of GIF files.)

  o  XView (at least a library package--the full XView distribution,
     with window manager, etc. would also be nice, but not as important)

  o  plan (calender with many functions)

  o  grok (database with many functions)

  o  xmem

  o  xidle

  o  xmcd (ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xmcd/xmcd-2.0.README)

  5.10.	Communication

  o  BBS (Bulletin Board System) Software

  o  hylafax (http://www.vix.com/hylafax) a fax server with add-ons for
     alphanumeric paging

  5.11.	TeX

  o  tmview (svgalib DVI viewer) Kpathsea support should be added and
     the original author is already aware of this. Contact him first.

  5.12.	Networking

  o  other www servers (Spinner ( http://spinner.infovav.se/ ), WN (
     http://hopf.math.nwu.edu/docs/overview.html) )

  o  xinetd (replacement for inetd with many enhancements)

  o  ftptool (This requires the not-yet-available XView libraries.)

  5.13.	System Tools

  o  IBCS2 emulator

  5.14.	Text utilities

  o  HTML editors (tkHTML, asWedit, auc-html.el)

  o  mpage (genscript is already available)

  o  texi2html

  6.  Programs that someone should write

  This section contains suggestions/wishes for programs. There is no
  known implementation of such a program for Linux.

  o  amspell (ms-dos) like spell checker, i.e. a spell checker what
     checks the complete text first, searching for alternatives (on the
     fly) and asking for user action at the very end of the checking
     process. This saves much time on low memory machines.

  7.  Beyond packages

  This section lists some areas of future development of Debian that
  cannot be assigned to specific packages.

  Please note that you may need to know a lot about the specific topic
  and the current Debian architecture, so this probably shouldn't be
  your first Debian related contribution.

  o  internationalization / localization

  o  documentation and translations

  o  Debian Linux for other platforms (m68k, alpha, sparc)

  o  shadow passwords ( ftp://ftp.ists.pwr.wroc.pl/pub/linux/shadow/ )



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I have compiled the 2.0.0 kernel (successfully), but lost my routing
info in the process (coming from 1.3.95).  "route" only shows the
machine itself.

If i manually add the missing router & gateway, it works fine, but i
lose this on reboot. 

help! :)

rick

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Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

> I can point setserial at a particular port, but can't seem to tell it to
> set the stop bits to two.
> I can tell stty to set the stop bits, but can only seem to use it while on
> the tty in question. Is there any way to point stty at the port I want
> changed?

Unless I'm mistaken, the paradigm is

stty options < /dev/tty-whatever

Hope that helps.
--
Rob

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  Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian Linux
  Sven Rudolph, sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de
  $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.18 1996/06/11 19:54:00 sr1 Exp sr1 $
  ______________________________________________________________________

  Table of Contents:

  1.	General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian Linux

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  1.3.	What do I need to know in order to become a package maintainer
  ?

  1.4.	Feedback

  2.	Packages that have no current maintainer

  3.	Packages that the maintainer wants to give away

  4.	Packages that someone is working on

  5.	Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  5.1.	Programming and development:

  5.2.	Mail software:

  5.3.	USENET news software:

  5.4.	Math packages:

  5.5.	Graphics:

  5.6.	Misc Tools:

  5.7.	Editors:

  5.8.	Games:

  5.9.	X11:

  5.10.	Communication

  5.11.	TeX

  5.12.	Networking

  5.13.	System Tools

  5.14.	Text utilities

  6.	Programs that someone should write

  7.	Beyond packages
  ______________________________________________________________________

  1.  General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian Linux

  Please read the Debian Linux FAQ.  The Debian Linux WWW server is at
  http://www.debian.org/ , the FAQ is located at
  http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ . The FAQ is available via FTP at
  ftp.debian.org:/debian/doc .

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  This document is intended to identify areas that need your
  contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
  often, so it supplements the Debian Linux FAQ.

  1.3.	What do I need to know in order to become a package maintainer ?

  Please read the documents at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-
  developer/ .

  The packaging guidelines are included in the dpkg-1.1.0 package.

  You should subscribe to the debian-devel mailing list, details are
  given in the FAQ.

  1.4.	Feedback

  Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
  Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de.  Please mention to which version of
  this document your comments refer.

  2.  Packages that have no current maintainer

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian (unless they
  have too many bugs), but the maintainer had reasons to not continue
  maintaining it. (Remember: Debian is mainly produced by volunteers who
  are not paid for maintaining Debian packages.)

  If you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package, send
  me an e-mail.

  If you believe that the following list is incomplete, i.e., that there
  are other packages in the Debian distribution that currently have no
  active maintainer, send me an e-mail.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, send me
  an e-mail.

  previously maintained by Ian Murdock imurdock@debian.org :

  o  acm

  o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)

  o  elisp-manual

  o  glibcdoc

  o  metamail

  o  pmake

  previously maintained by Ian Jackson ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :

  o  trn

  3.  Packages that the maintainer wants to give away

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian, but the
  maintainer wants to find a new maintainer. It isn't as urgent to find
  a new maintainer as in the previous section.

  If you maintain Debian packages that you would like to hand off, send
  me an e-mail, then I will add this package to this section.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, write
  to the current maintainer of this package.

  currently maintained by Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :

  o  seyon

  currently maintained by David Engel david@ods.com :

  o  tclX

  currently maintained by Christian Linhart chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at :

  o  statserial

  o  tgif

  o  xarchie

  currently maintained by Ian Jackson ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :

  o  m4

  o  cron

  currently maintained by Jim Robinson jimr@simons-rock.edu :

  o  pari

  currently maintained by Michael Meskes meskes@Informatik.RWTH-
  Aachen.DE :

  o  xsysinfo

  o  xcolors

  o  xautolock

  4.  Packages that someone is working on

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

  If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
  responsible person listed below.

  Chris Fearnley cjf@netaxs.com :

  o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)

  o  and probably : xli, Tix, povray

  krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) :

  o  CLX - Common Lisp Xlib implementation

  o  PCL - Portable Common Loops for GCL

  Dale Miller dale@csd.uwo.ca :

  o  lclint (ftp://larch.lcs.mit.edu/pub/Larch/lclint/ )

  Richard Kaszeta kaszeta@me.umn.edu :

  o  xmotd

  Mike Wilson cmwilson@uncc.edu :

  o  mule

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :

  o  xbill

  o  NCSA Mosaic (waiting for 2.7)

  "behan (b.) webster" behanw@bnr.ca

  o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)

  o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

  wendal@onyx.southwind.net:

  o  tkHTML

  Darren torin@daft.com :

  o  netpbm, mew, giftool

  "Prud'homme Christophe" prudhomm@lions.asci.fr :

  o  Xemacs

  Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca :

  o  BBDB (for Emacs: Big Brother Data Base, a rolodex with hooks into
     VM, GNUS, and RMAIL)

  Michael Alan Dorman mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu :

  o  glimpsehttpd

  Warwick Harvey warwick@cs.mu.OZ.AU :

  o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
     strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

  Patrick.Weemeeuw@kulnet.KULeuven.ac.be :

  o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
     http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

  marcus@sysc.pdx.edu :

  o  CLISP

  David H. Silber dhs@firefly.com :

  o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.

  o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.

  o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
     uucp package.

  o  latex2html

  Karl R. Sackett krs@caos.aamu.edu :

  o  wily - work-alike of Acme programming environment for Plan9

  o  9term - terminal emulator similar to 8-1/2 windows

  o  libXg - UTF-2 fonts for Sam and 9term

  o  exmh - X user interface for MH mail

  o  faces - visual list monitor

  Brian Sulcer bsulcer@gibson.com :

  o  vile (vi-like editor)

  o  rogue

  o  umoria

  Martin Schulze joey@infodrom.north.de :

  o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

  Michael Shields shields@crosslink.net :

  o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.

  o  nntplink

  Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com :

  o  spice (circuit simulation package)

  o  gforth

  Billy Chow billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk :

  o  koules

  o  xbomb

  o  dos2unix unix2dos

  Alan Bain afrb2@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :

  o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

  Ed Petron epetron@leba.net :

  o  tkps (tk-based "top")

  Christophe Le Bars clebars@teaser.fr :

  o  Caml (A small, portable implementation of the ML language.)

  o  Objective Caml: Caml dialect extended with a complete class-based
     object system

  o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml

  Mike Coleman coleman@chez-gnu.cstp.umkc.edu :

  o  nn (newsreader)

  o  jdk (Java development kit, no source available)

  Yves Arrouye arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> :

  o  gs-ppd (a set of PPD files for my Ghostscript drivers)

  o  adobe-ppd	Adobe-supplied PPD files (found on ftp.adobe.com)

  o  psptools (tools for PS printers making advantage of PPD files)

  o  compress-package (a package for packaging compress)

  o  btoa

  Erick Branderhorst branderh@debian.org :

  o  awk2c

  Emilio Lopes ecl@fnpc21.if.usp.br :

  o  ratfor77

  Jon Rabone 93jkr@eng.cam.ac.uk :

  o  SISCAD

  5.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.

  If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.

  5.1.	Programming and development:

  o  GNU Pascal.

  o  UPS - the X-based debugger.  Probably not worth building until
     we've switched to ELF. (There are Linux-specific patches around.)

  o  checker

  o  Scheme->C

  o  SCM - Scheme interpreter which will soon be the basis of the GNU
     extension language.

  o  SLIB.

  o  CLISP - Common Lisp interpreter

  o  ECoLisp - a Common Lisp compiler that produces faster code but
     isn't as widely used as GCL

  o  CLiCC - Common Lisp compiler that generates stand-alone apps
     (rather large ones, though)

  o  GNAT (GNU Ada Translator)

  o  Postgres95

  5.2.	Mail software:

  o  mailtool

  5.3.	USENET news software:

  o  strn.

  5.4.	Math packages:

  o  SC (the spreadsheet). (oleo is already available)

  o  GNU calc (see the Emacs list ...).

  o  SNNS Stuttgart Neural Network Simulator (ftp.informatik.uni-
     stuttgart.de)

  o  SciLab

  o  Yorick

  o  MuPAD (computer algebra tool from University of Paderborn, Germany
     http://gauss-mb.uni-paderborn.de/ cube/ , please look at the
     license conditions.)

  o  calctool

  o  felt

  o  LAPACK and BLAS (numerical libraries,
     http://nils.wustl.edu/schiotz/lapack-linux.html )

  5.5.	Graphics:

  o  Kubota Graphics Corporation's now-PD 3-D visualization system,
     Dore'.

  5.6.	Misc Tools:

  o  zoo/unzoo (packer)

  o  binhex

  5.7.	Editors:

  o  NEdit ( http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html , requires Motif)

  o  jed (small emacs-like)

  5.8.	Games:

  o  rocks and diamonds

  o  xgalaga (space-invaders style game)

  o  xibc (backgammon)

  o  xevil

  o  xjewel

  5.9.	X11:

  o  Andrew

  o  ImageMagick (image viewer) (This package would belong into the non-
     free section if it provides the creation of GIF files.)

  o  XView (at least a library package--the full XView distribution,
     with window manager, etc. would also be nice, but not as important)

  o  plan (calender with many functions)

  o  grok (database with many functions)

  o  xmem

  o  xidle

  o  xmcd (ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xmcd/xmcd-2.0.README)

  5.10.	Communication

  o  BBS (Bulletin Board System) Software

  o  hylafax (http://www.vix.com/hylafax) a fax server with add-ons for
     alphanumeric paging

  5.11.	TeX

  o  tmview (svgalib DVI viewer) Kpathsea support should be added and
     the original author is already aware of this. Contact him first.

  5.12.	Networking

  o  other www servers (Spinner ( http://spinner.infovav.se/ ), WN (
     http://hopf.math.nwu.edu/docs/overview.html) )

  o  xinetd (replacement for inetd with many enhancements)

  o  ftptool (This requires the not-yet-available XView libraries.)

  5.13.	System Tools

  o  IBCS2 emulator

  5.14.	Text utilities

  o  HTML editors (tkHTML, asWedit, auc-html.el)

  o  mpage (genscript is already available)

  o  texi2html

  6.  Programs that someone should write

  This section contains suggestions/wishes for programs. There is no
  known implementation of such a program for Linux.

  o  amspell (ms-dos) like spell checker, i.e. a spell checker what
     checks the complete text first, searching for alternatives (on the
     fly) and asking for user action at the very end of the checking
     process. This saves much time on low memory machines.

  7.  Beyond packages

  This section lists some areas of future development of Debian that
  cannot be assigned to specific packages.

  Please note that you may need to know a lot about the specific topic
  and the current Debian architecture, so this probably shouldn't be
  your first Debian related contribution.

  o  internationalization / localization

  o  documentation and translations

  o  Debian Linux for other platforms (m68k, alpha, sparc)

  o  shadow passwords ( ftp://ftp.ists.pwr.wroc.pl/pub/linux/shadow/ )



-- 
Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de> ; WWW : http://www.sax.de/~sr1/

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Derek Lee <dkklee@MIT.EDU> writes:

> I am afraid I am not familiar with the kernel-package package.
> Is this a package to build any kernel version and install it in
> a debian way?

Bingo.  I'm using it as we speak.  I'm not sure if it has made it to
the unstable tree on all the mirrors yet, but it should soon.

When you get it, the docs are /usr/doc/kernel-package, as expected.
--
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, dkklee@mit.edu wrote:

> Would the release of debian 1.1 use the new stable Linux (v2.0)?

Yes, Debian 1.1 will ship with a 2.0 kernel.

(In fact, the latest available kernel will generally be made available
as the kernel-image-2.0.xx-0.deb).

Austin

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Chris Nielsen wrote:

> I just downloaded what I think is Debian Linux v.93R6.... And I need help installing 
> it. I have three files called "1440_base_floppy_[1|2|3]", as well as what appear to be 
> root and boot files on my d:.  I have created a seperate partition on my C: for MS-DOS, 
> and left an un-partitioned area of about 100 meg for debian.  What do I do now?  the 
> three main files don't fit on one floppy disk, at least not one formatted by Windows 
> 95, and neither will the boot floppy (after it's un-gziped).  Also, Should I go ahead 
> and partition that 100 meg I left on c:, and Should I wait for the Beta 1.1 to become 
> stable before I install?  Thanks for you help, it's really appreciated!

Hi Chris.  Whether you choose to install 0.93R6 or Beta 1.1 (which now resides
in the "unstable" directory), you will need to use a program called rawrite.exe
in msdos to write the files you mentionned directly to pre-formatted floppies. 
You cannot copy the files using the dos "copy" command, or the disks will not
work for the installation.  The program, rawrite, should be available on the ftp
site where you found the floppy images, perhaps in a directory called "tools" or
something.  You may find that 100MB will not be enough to create more than a
simple system, but that depends on what you choose to install.

I suggest that you use the 1.1 Beta version.  In the directory with the floppy
disk images, you will find a document which explains in detail how to intall the
1.1 Beta system from floppy disks.  This information is also available at the
Debian www page http://www.debian.org under the 1.1 Beta link near the top of
the page.

Good Luck.  Syrus.



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Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.

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I see everyone wants to know. Yes, I will include the Linux 2.0 kernel in the
latest boot disk set, which will be uploaded this evening. I also have a
kernel-image package, although I am not the official kernel maintainer.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Rick Hawkins <rhawkins@iastate.edu> writes:

> I have compiled the 2.0.0 kernel (successfully), but lost my routing
> info in the process (coming from 1.3.95).  "route" only shows the
> machine itself.
> 
> If i manually add the missing router & gateway, it works fine, but i
> lose this on reboot. 

I don't know if this is related, but I lost all net connectivity on
one of my ethernet connected machines today when I upgraded to 2.0.
It turned out that the difference was that the machine had
NETMASK="255.255.0.0" instead of NETMASK="255.255.255.0".  When I
changed this in /etc/init.d/network, the problem went away.

--
Rob

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Kernel-package seems to be in the project/experimental directory of the
archive. I don't know why...

	Bruce

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Thanks to all who replied. I only do this with systems that
are not connected to the internet. This one is experimental,
but I like to have an old 386 system for making kernels or
whatever. I edited the /etc/passwd file to set paul and root
to have no password. Now, I just telnet in as paul and do an
su. If the machine was connected to the Internet, I would
only allow telnet logins of "guest" type. The reason for this
crude setup is that I have virtual IP running and the Win95
box is getting web, ftp, samba, and telnet services from the
Linux server. I can jump over to the telnet window to change
a cgi script and then go to the browser window and test it.
I would like to convert to a Linux client. Has anybody had
good results running X on a 486DX-66 with 8mb? The 386's
are working great as test servers! I am seeing a 2 mbit/sec
ftp rate on a machine built from "leftovers".

Paul Wade
Backwoods Hacker E-Zine - "Roughing it in a digital world"

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Hi Debian Linux users:

I am a Linux novice and I have a Slackware Linux distribution installed
on my Toshiba 105CS Satellite, which works fine. I am planning to install
DEBIAN Linux on to my Laptop. Unfortunately I have no CD-ROM drive avail- 
able with this Laptop which make this attempt impossible.
I have one CD-ROM with the DEBIAN Linux distribution on it. As I am able
to run this CD on a Windows-based PC-System WIN95 on a seperat computer I 
thought it might be possible to make floppys, like I did with the 
Slackware distribution. I soon realized that a lot of files are too large 
to fit onto the disk.

Is there anybody out there ...who can give me some advises how I can
solve this problem.

Many thanks to all of you.

Fritz Ilg

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Fritz Ilg wrote:
> 
> Hi Debian Linux users:
> 
> I am a Linux novice and I have a Slackware Linux distribution installed
> on my Toshiba 105CS Satellite, which works fine. I am planning to install
> DEBIAN Linux on to my Laptop. Unfortunately I have no CD-ROM drive avail-
> able with this Laptop which make this attempt impossible.
> I have one CD-ROM with the DEBIAN Linux distribution on it. As I am able
> to run this CD on a Windows-based PC-System WIN95 on a seperat computer I
> thought it might be possible to make floppys, like I did with the
> Slackware distribution. I soon realized that a lot of files are too large
> to fit onto the disk.
> 
> Is there anybody out there ...who can give me some advises how I can
> solve this problem.
> 
> Many thanks to all of you.
> 
> Fritz Ilg

I did my first install from CD-ROM by bringing the hard drive to my 
WIN95
workstation. I used the rawrite.exe program from dos to make the install
floppy set. Then I put the target drive in as drive "C:" and installed
Linux on it. Of course, the laptop disk drive might be incompatible with
the workstation disk controller.

If that won't work for you then tell us more:
Do you have any way of connecting the machines?
ethernet? serial ports? parallel ports?

Paul Wade

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OK...  I've beat my head on this for long enough, maybe some of you can
help me out.

I upgraded my R6 system to 1.1beta last week, and after a few days (and
nights) of tweaking, I got everything setup to my liking...  except
compiling.  For some unknown reason, when I try to compile anything, I get
the following errors from /usr/include/stdlib.h.

/usr/include/stdlib.h:333: parse error before `*'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:336: parse error before `wchar_t'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:345: parse error before `*'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:347: parse error before `*'

I'm using the latest (as of last week) updates in unstable/binary/devel,
and have tried just about everything I can think of (including going back
to gcc 2.7.0 from 2.7.2.  I tried reinstalling all of the
libc4/libc5/gcc/make/pmake/etc packages, and it doesn't make any
difference.

With that header, I can't even get the following to work:

#include <stdlib.h>
#include <stdio.h>
main ()
{
  printf("Hellow World!\n");
}

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.  I'm completely stumped, and
I'm sure it's just a little misconfiguration thing that I'll want to kick
myself for, but I can't find it.

Thanks.  Evan

--
| Evan Harris - eharris@kinison.cablehealth.com - All flames to /dev/nul
|
| RIP Bill Hicks - "I don't mean to sound cold or cruel or vicious... but I
|                   am, so that's the way it comes out."


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Hi,

I have recently installed debian (1.1beta) for the first time, my
previous system being Slackware 3.0.  I have had a number of problems
and would appreciate some help.

* My machine name is "destiny" and when trying to rlogin from destiny
to destiny I get the following problem:

> rlogin destiny -l root
destiny.phillips.com.au: Network is unreachable

could the problem be that in the installation setup, I specified my
machine as a nameserver - should I have not done this?

* Why do I automatically get an xterm coming up when I start X?  It
didn't happen with Slackware.

* I've installed color-ls but I still don't get color?  The same
for X.

* Why is pppd not setuid root, like the PPP-Howto says it should be?
Is the PPP-Howto the best document to read about PPP for debian - or
is there some debian specific documentation?

* Why is there no ppp-off script?

* When using dselect to install some software, I got a conflict
between cpp and gcc.  This doesn't make sense does it?  Surely you
need both?

* Is it true that dselect automatically updates to newer versions of
packages (if a newer version appears in the directory structure and
you run dselect)?  What do you do if you want to reinstall the same
version of a package - can you do it? (for example you might want to
re - set it up)

* I had some errors when doing a man:

Updating index cache for path 'usr/man'.  Wait...man can't open
/usr/man/man2/modules.2: No such file or directory
man: warning:/usr/man/man2/create-module.2 bad symlink or ROFF '.so'
request
...
...
... and more messages like this


Well that's enough problems for now.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Mark Phillips.



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> traceroute: IP_HDRINCL:Protocol not available

Probably you're still running the 1.2.13 kernel, but the new
traceroute uses some features only in 1.3... at least that's why I see
that message. 

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I saw some messages about kernel-package-1.01 in the debian-user list.
Where is it? I cannot find it in tsx-11.mit.edu or master.debian.org

Derek

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I just downloaded what I think is Debian Linux v.93R6.... And I need help installing 
it. I have three files called "1440_base_floppy_[1|2|3]", as well as what appear to be 
root and boot files on my d:.  I have created a seperate partition on my C: for MS-DOS, 
and left an un-partitioned area of about 100 meg for debian.  What do I do now?  the 
three main files don't fit on one floppy disk, at least not one formatted by Windows 
95, and neither will the boot floppy (after it's un-gziped).  Also, Should I go ahead 
and partition that 100 meg I left on c:, and Should I wait for the Beta 1.1 to become 
stable before I install?  Thanks for you help, it's really appreciated!


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It looks as if you aren't getting the definition of wchar_t.
To kluge around the problem put "typedef unsigned long wchar_t;" before
line 333 in stdio.h . The correct way to fix this is to get the latest
libc and libc-dev packages and install them. If the problem doesn't go
away, tell us.

	Bruce

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> I have recently installed debian (1.1beta) for the first time, my
> previous system being Slackware 3.0.  I have had a number of problems
> and would appreciate some help.

I can help with a this one:

> * I've installed color-ls but I still don't get color?  The same
> for X.

color-ls must be set up to work.  The command "eval `dircolors`" will
enable it.  Read /usr/doc/color-ls/color-ls.README and/or man color-ls
and dircolors.

It is left to the system administrator whether to enable color-ls as the
system-wide default.  I just put enable it from my personal .cshrc file.


Luck.  Syrus.



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Derek Lee <dkklee@mit.edu> writes:

> I saw some messages about kernel-package-1.01 in the debian-user list.
> Where is it? I cannot find it in tsx-11.mit.edu or master.debian.org

I think it's in debian/experimental.  Don't know why.

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Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> writes:

Not sure about all your problems, but...

> * Why do I automatically get an xterm coming up when I start X?  It
> didn't happen with Slackware.

This is the default for debian when you don't have your own
~/.xsession.  /etc/X11/Xsession is where this happens.  If you have
your own ~/.xsession then whatever's there will have control.

> * When using dselect to install some software, I got a conflict
> between cpp and gcc.  This doesn't make sense does it?  Surely you
> need both?

gcc provides cpp, so installing cpp if you already have gcc is
redundant, that's what dselect is telling you.  cpp is provided as a
separate package for systems that don't need to compile, but need the
preprocessor for other things.  (Some programs use cpp to preprocess
their own config files).
 
> * Is it true that dselect automatically updates to newer versions of
> packages (if a newer version appears in the directory structure and
> you run dselect)?  What do you do if you want to reinstall the same
> version of a package - can you do it? (for example you might want to
> re - set it up)

I'm not real familiar with dselect (although I've been meaning to look
at it), so it's quite possible dselect will handle this, but you can
also always use the lower level command line tool, dpkg, for manual
tweaking.  See man dpkg.  You can install a single package via 
"dpkg --install foo.deb".

--
Rob

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> > * Is it true that dselect automatically updates to newer versions of
> > packages (if a newer version appears in the directory structure and
> > you run dselect)?  What do you do if you want to reinstall the same
> > version of a package - can you do it? (for example you might want to
> > re - set it up)
> 
> I'm not real familiar with dselect (although I've been meaning to look
> at it), so it's quite possible dselect will handle this, but you can
> also always use the lower level command line tool, dpkg, for manual
> tweaking.  See man dpkg.  You can install a single package via 
> "dpkg --install foo.deb".

deselect will default to updating, yes.  

At the very top of the scroll-list will be a section indicating that
there are installed packages for which newer versions are available.
THey are all selected (*).  YOu can hit = on this line, which will apply
"hold" to all of these packages (then again, why not update them?
there's usually a reason for the update).

using dpkg, you can downgrade as well; check the options on this. (dpkg
--help)

rick

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[...]
> Anyway, the intranet is a Window NT net and while goofing around I 
> discovered that my machine has two IP addresses.  One is the one 
> assigned, 172.16.18.5 and the other is 127.0.0.1.  I think I have gone 
> through all the config files in /etc and I can't find out where this 
> address is being sent out from.  When I reboot with just the Windows for 
> Workgroups the address disappears so I am assuming it is an artifact of 
> one of the network items I installed on the Linux side.  
> 
> Can someone tell me which package has this generic address and where I 
> can find it and kill it?

127.0.0.1 is the generic loopback address for all machines that use IP
addressing.  On every machine it means "myself".  Don't try to wipe it out
or you may find some of your software doesn't work.

Any IP packets addressed to 127.0.0.1 should never leave the machine they
originate from (unless maybe they're source-routed????) -- if you find
packets with that destination address getting off your machine and onto the
wires then you have a big problem.  But I doubt that is the case -- some
stuff would have to be pretty broken to permit that.

In a nutshell: this is normal.  You don't have a problem.

-- 
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Oz Dror wrote:
: 
: Hi,
: 
: I want to upgrade my debian 1.0 to 1.1.
: I have installed the new dpkg (1.2.3 elf)
: then followed the steps in dselect.
: then dselect failed in the Install step with the following error:
: 
: Running dpkg -iGROEB /u2/debian/binary
: find: /u2/debian/binary/admin/tob-0.14-1.deb: No such file or directory
: find: /u2/debian/binary/base/adduser-1.99-1.deb: No such file or directory
: find: /u2/debian/binary/hamradio/p10cfgd-1.0-3.deb: No such file or directory

I had a similar problem.  
I believe, all the files you mention are to be found in ..../binary-all.

Try a `ls -l /u2/debian/binary/misc/mailcrypt*'.
Or run `symlinks -r /u2/debian | grep 'dangl'.

Heiko
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> I have compiled the 2.0.0 kernel (successfully), but lost my routing
> info in the process (coming from 1.3.95).  "route" only shows the
> machine itself.
> 
> If i manually add the missing router & gateway, it works fine, but i
> lose this on reboot. 

Please look at /etc/init.d/
probably some files did change within this directory.
Look at the file dates and for backups within this directory.

Yours,
-- martin

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Zachary DeAquila <zachary@zachs.place.org> writes:

> I can't seem to log in through xdm into my newly upgraded from .93 to 1.1
> system.  I log in, the screen freaks out as it swaps video modes to
> the correct one that I'm running (or is it restarting the X server?
> whatever) and then... it comes back to the xdm prompt.

Check out the contents of ~/.xsession-errors after an unsuccessful
login (use a console).  xdm's whole setup changed from .93 to 1.1, so
you may need to edit the files in /etc/X11/xdm to bring your stuff up
to date.

--
Rob

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>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:36:42 -0400 (EDT), Dale Martin <dmartin@ece.uc.edu> wrote:

DM> It would appear that the boot disks for debian 1.1 beta don't have
DM> generic ncr-810 SCSI support - the .93 disks did.  Are there
DM> alternative boot disks available with this support?  I perused the
DM> installation document and saw no mention of it.

This is an official bug with the number xyz (sorry forgot). I am not
aware of any boot disks. I had quite some troubles because of this
because I had to install 0.93 and then upgrade to 1.1. I do have a
1.3.100 kernel and it shouldn't be that hard to make a debian boot for
you. But I think the support should be in the official
release. Actually, an NCR-810 isn't a very special kind of hardware.

-Peter.

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I can't seem to log in through xdm into my newly upgraded from .93 to 1.1
system.  I log in, the screen freaks out as it swaps video modes to
the correct one that I'm running (or is it restarting the X server?
whatever) and then... it comes back to the xdm prompt.  I can log in
fine if I do a ctrl-alt-F4 and get back to the text prompt, and
if I kill xdm, I can do a startx just fine...

I'm running kernel 1.2.13, xserver_svga, and fvwm2, using config files
that worked fine under .93r6.

 ideas?

 --Zachary

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Paul Wade wrote:
: 
: Before installing Debian Linux, I was able to log in
: as root over telnet. Now it is refused. I am simply
: using a Windows system as a Linux console over
: ethernet. How do I fix this?

Have a look into /etc/securetty:

        # /etc/securetty: list of terminals on which root is allowed to login.
        # $Id: securetty,v 3.0 1994/09/09 03:38:19 imurdock Exp $
        tty1
        tty2
        [...]

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:

> I can help with a this one:

Maybe one of these days I'll remember that English is my native language.

> It is left to the system administrator whether to enable color-ls as the
> system-wide default.  I just put enable it from my personal .cshrc file.

Yah--what I just said.  [Bleep]!  Wish I could blame this one on late
night fatigue :-).


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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Preston <steve@eowyn.gte.com> writes:

Steve> You need to 'split' the .deb files that are too big.  This
Steve> requires dpkg-split, but I am not aware of a WIN95 version of
Steve> this.  If you created a (relatively minimal) linux partition on
Steve> your cdrom machine, then you could split the .deb files and
Steve> copy them to floppies.

Maybe it's easier to find a MSDOS port of GNU tar and then tar the
required packages on multiple volumes which are then transferrable to
the laptop.

--
Billy C.-M. Chow          billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk          Debian Linux

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Carlo U. Segre wrote:

> I have been helping out a colleague with a Linux installation on a Cyrix 
> 5x86 system on a combination PCI/VLB motherboard.  Everything works fine 
> except for X.  We have tried running the ET4000/W32 server and the SVGA 
> server as per the README.W32.  No Luck!  Basically, the symptoms are that 
> the video is placed in some funny mode where nothing is visible on the 
> screen even though the X-server has exitted.  It is hard to judge blindly 
> whether the machine is in reality back at a virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-Del 
> works for rebooting).  No matter what attempts to switch video modes are 
> made, the card is stuck in this funny mode.  This happens for both the 
> W32-specific driver ans the SVGA driver.  

The limitations of XFREE86 3.1.2 for the ET4000/W32 cards are known.  I got
rid of the card I had at work (traded it for a S3 with a friend at work
who doesn't use Linux on his PC).  I've read in the linux.x newsgroup that
the 3.1.2D Beta server works somewhat better.  For me, it wasn't worth the
time I was spending trying to get rid of the blank screen problem.

Cheers.  Syrus.


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Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote:
: 
: Hi,
: I have just had something strange happening to me. I tried to update some
: packages using dselect with the NFS option. When going into the install option
: I would get an error from find about not being able to find the directory. The
: strange thing though is that the directory was correct and the available packages were correctly updated. Mounting the partition by hand and using dselect
: works. I recently updated dpkg so I thought there might be a problem with it.
: Has anyone had something similar happen to them? Am I just doing something
: really stupid?


Mee too.  And same with CDROM access method.

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Hello,

I have recently installed the beta version of Debian on a Gateway that is 
connected on an intranet at work.  (The installation was flawless by the 
way.)

I have recompiled the kernel and added all the network support and apache 
as I will be running an intranet-based website with teaching files for 
radiology residents.  It is actually pretty cool, we save the images in 
bitmap form and using MS Frontpage very quickly write teaching files.  
The doctors in the hospital can then view the images with netscape.

Anyway, the intranet is a Window NT net and while goofing around I 
discovered that my machine has two IP addresses.  One is the one 
assigned, 172.16.18.5 and the other is 127.0.0.1.  I think I have gone 
through all the config files in /etc and I can't find out where this 
address is being sent out from.  When I reboot with just the Windows for 
Workgroups the address disappears so I am assuming it is an artifact of 
one of the network items I installed on the Linux side.  

Can someone tell me which package has this generic address and where I 
can find it and kill it?

Regards,
Craig

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     use a cable to transfer the files to the laptop from the machine with 
     the cdrom. Dont forget to use a proper cable setup...
     
     It'll save your ass a ton-o-time. and you wont have to be splitting 
     files across floppies.
     
     I use xtgold's "xtlink" which works great...
     
     BUT - if you dont have xtlink...
     
     MS-DOG provides the software called "interlnk", which does the same 
     thing - more or less.
     

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>>>>> Fritz Ilg <frick19@nfi.com> writes:
     
> I am a Linux novice and I have a Slackware Linux distribution installed
> on my Toshiba 105CS Satellite, which works fine. I am planning to install 
> DEBIAN Linux on to my Laptop. Unfortunately I have no CD-ROM drive avail- 
> able with this Laptop which make this attempt impossible.
> I have one CD-ROM with the DEBIAN Linux distribution on it. As I am able 
> to run this CD on a Windows-based PC-System WIN95 on a seperat computer I 
> thought it might be possible to make floppys, like I did with the 
> Slackware distribution. I soon realized that a lot of files are too large 
> to fit onto the disk.
     
> Is there anybody out there ...who can give me some advises how I can 
> solve this problem.
     
     

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> Anyway, the intranet is a Window NT net and while goofing around I 
> discovered that my machine has two IP addresses.  One is the one 
> assigned, 172.16.18.5 and the other is 127.0.0.1.  I think I have gone 
> through all the config files in /etc and I can't find out where this 
> address is being sent out from.  When I reboot with just the Windows for 
> Workgroups the address disappears so I am assuming it is an artifact of 
> one of the network items I installed on the Linux side.  
> 
> Can someone tell me which package has this generic address and where I 
> can find it and kill it?

The 127.0.0.1 address is the so-called localhost-address. Linux uses this 
address if it is running standalone, no network available, and for local
purposes. Thus you should not remove this address, which normally is found
int /etc/hosts. 

Andreas.



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Hi,
>>"Lawrence" == Lawrence Chim <ychim@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> writes:

Lawrence> I don't know why there is a libc5-dev.

	This provides all kinds of libraries in /usr/lib/* and headers
 in /usr/include; without which it is impossible to compile any
 program.

Lawrence> If I install a new kernel, it comes with its only kernel
Lawrence> headers.  Is it necessary to install lib5-dev in order to
Lawrence> compile programs.

 Yes.

Lawrence> Also, if I install libc5-dev, can I still install a newer
Lawrence> version of linux kernel whenever it is available.
 
 Yes.

	manoj
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> I have compiled the 2.0.0 kernel (successfully), but lost my routing
> info in the process (coming from 1.3.95).  "route" only shows the
> machine itself.
> 
> If i manually add the missing router & gateway, it works fine, but i
> lose this on reboot. 
> 
> help! :)
> 
> rick

I had to add a default gateway to one of the files in /etc/init.d also:

route add default gw (my gateway's ip)

NOTE: I don't know if this has been fixed or where the problem is .. I'm not
sure how up-to-date my system is.  Also this may not be the correct fix.

This happened around the same Kernel versions you mention.  However at the
same time I also had to reinstall the entirety of Debian due to disk
corruption... (fsck actually hanged the system) so I thought it was just me.


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Thanks for your reply.

As far as I know, I have the latest packages...  I got them from the
mirror a few days ago.

The ones I have installed are:

libc5-5.2.18-6.deb dated May 1
libc5-dev-5.2.18-6.deb dated May 1
gcc-2.7.2-8.deb dated May 2

In fact, I have reinstalled them (and others, "just in case") several
times in the course of trying to get this working.

A few days ago, I tried kludging around the problem like your
suggestion, and then everything compiles fine, but on the link step, of
larger packages (like the kernel) I get back a bunch of "undefined
reference to `_ctype'" messages on the link step, although my "hello,
world" test program will compile and link (but nothing else will).

If you have any other suggestions, please let me know.

Evan

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> It looks as if you aren't getting the definition of wchar_t.
> To kluge around the problem put "typedef unsigned long wchar_t;" before
> line 333 in stdio.h . The correct way to fix this is to get the latest
> libc and libc-dev packages and install them. If the problem doesn't go
> away, tell us.
> 
> 	Bruce
> 


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> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Preston <steve@eowyn.gte.com> writes:
> 
> Steve> You need to 'split' the .deb files that are too big.  This
> Steve> requires dpkg-split, but I am not aware of a WIN95 version of
> Steve> this.  If you created a (relatively minimal) linux partition on
> Steve> your cdrom machine, then you could split the .deb files and
> Steve> copy them to floppies.
> 
> Maybe it's easier to find a MSDOS port of GNU tar and then tar the
> required packages on multiple volumes which are then transferrable to
> the laptop.
> 

What about setting up a serial link between the Win-PC and the laptop?
I honestly do not know wether Win95 likes serial links, but I definitly
know that my old 286 running DOS 6.0 is even able to export nfs over
serial line. I suggest using a zmodem protocol or something similar.
Any ideas?

Andreas.

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Sven Rudolph writes:
>   4.  Packages that someone is working on
> 
>   Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
>   packages, but someone is working on providing a package.
>   [...]
>   o  Xemacs

Has been released a while ago.

>   o  nn (newsreader)

Just released the other day.

>   o  ratfor77

Hmm, this is already available. It's pretty old though and still aout.

>   o  GNAT (GNU Ada Translator)

I believe this was released the other day, too.

Michael

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> I don't know why there is a libc5-dev.  If I install a new kernel,
> it comes with its only kernel headers.  Is it necessary to install
> lib5-dev in order to compile programs. 

Yes. The kernel headers are not enough to compile even a normal "Hello, world!"
program. <stdio.h> etc are libc headers, and are in the libc5-dev package.

> Also, if I install libc5-dev,
> can I still install a newer version of linux kernel whenever it is
> available.

Yes. As I understand it, the kernel source does not use the /usr/include/asm
etc; it uses its own linux/include/asm.

The only reason that libc5-dev contains kernel headers is that the kernel
headers change quite often, and have broken normal compilation a couple
of patchlevels back.

Hope this helps,
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Evan Harris writes:
> reference to `_ctype'" messages on the link step, although my "hello,
> world" test program will compile and link (but nothing else will).

Please send the output from 'dpkg -l' and from compiling your program
with 'gcc -v'.

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Hello all:

I have been helping out a colleague with a Linux installation on a Cyrix 
5x86 system on a combination PCI/VLB motherboard.  Everything works fine 
except for X.  We have tried running the ET4000/W32 server and the SVGA 
server as per the README.W32.  No Luck!  Basically, the symptoms are that 
the video is placed in some funny mode where nothing is visible on the 
screen even though the X-server has exitted.  It is hard to judge blindly 
whether the machine is in reality back at a virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-Del 
works for rebooting).  No matter what attempts to switch video modes are 
made, the card is stuck in this funny mode.  This happens for both the 
W32-specific driver ans the SVGA driver.  

Any suggestions?  We are reluctant to throw away this video card but the 
frustration level is rising.

Carlo


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I don't know why there is a libc5-dev.  If I install a new kernel,
it comes with its only kernel headers.  Is it necessary to install
lib5-dev in order to compile programs.  Also, if I install libc5-dev,
can I still install a newer version of linux kernel whenever it is
available.

libc5-dev: The Linux C library version 5 (development files).
 -  Includes libc headers, kernel headers (v2.0) and static libraries.

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> I have compiled the 2.0.0 kernel (successfully), but lost my routing
> info in the process (coming from 1.3.95).  "route" only shows the
> machine itself.
> 
> If i manually add the missing router & gateway, it works fine, but i
> lose this on reboot. 

I'm not sure if this is related at all.. but, I noticed looking
through the upgrade notices for 2.0.0 that the following was listed:


Network errors with recent kernels
==================================
 
   Many default network scripts are set up to add a route to the
localhost at 127.0.0.1 at startup.  However, they do this incorrectly.
To fix the error, which is now spotted by the kernel (causing many
daemons to quit working), look for a line like `route add -net
127.0.0.1' in your network configuration files and change it to `route
add -net 127.0.0.0'.
 
   This error is present in all Red Hat distributions (and derivative
distributions like Caldera).  If you're running one of these, edit
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-lo, changing the line `route add
-net $(IPADDR)' to `route add -net 127.0.0.0' and you should be fine.




Since I haven't yet installed 2.0.0 myself, I can't test out what
the problem might be.  But, perhaps this may help.

Cheers!
Richard..

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Zachary DeAquila wrote:

> I can't seem to log in through xdm into my newly upgraded from .93 to 1.1
> system.  I log in, the screen freaks out as it swaps video modes to
> the correct one that I'm running (or is it restarting the X server?
> whatever) and then... it comes back to the xdm prompt.  I can log in
> fine if I do a ctrl-alt-F4 and get back to the text prompt, and
> if I kill xdm, I can do a startx just fine...
> 
> I'm running kernel 1.2.13, xserver_svga, and fvwm2, using config files
> that worked fine under .93r6.

Are you sure that, when you updated the xbase package you EITHER kept all 
the old config files OR installed all the new ones? A mix will probably 
not work.

Look for errors in ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/xdm-errors. If you 
can't get it working yourself, mail the contents of these files to me and 
I'll have a look.

Check that your ~/.xsession file is executable as well - this might have 
worked before if it wasn't, but won't now.

Steve Early
sde1000@cam.ac.uk

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> Are you sure that, when you updated the xbase package you EITHER kept all 
> the old config files OR installed all the new ones? A mix will probably 
> not work.

hmm.  i moved /etc/init.d/xdm to a safe place, rebooted, copied the new
kernel & modules from the other machine, rebooted & made minor changes,
put the xdm file back, and all was well.

(also, i reran xf86config while it was gone, and made some progress.  At
least i have 800x600 now, but it can't find a clock for 1024x? . .)

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I have been trying to use dselect 1.2.3 on a partial 1.1beta
distribution tree obtained as an FTP mirror:

   dpkg --clear-avail
   dpkg-deb -AR binary-i386

[I did not want to point dselect at the packages file of the partial
tree, because that contains also those packages that I do not have.]

When I then call dselect, I get packages displayed in status

 - obsolete: installed packages not in my partial tree

 - "need upgrade" (or so): installed packages with a newer version in
   the partial tree

 - up-to-date: installed packages equal to the version in
   the partial tree

All this is ok, but I do not get displayed the packages in my partial
distribution tree that are not yet installed on my system.  I have
looked into /var/lib/dpkg, and information about the new packages has
been registered there.

Is there a way to make dselect display the new packages also?

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OK, i've got it.  but i think this means i've found a bug, or at least
something that needs fixing.

Under the beta releases with 1.3.9x, the following file is created:

#!      /bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add 127.0.0.1
IPADDR=129.186.31.38
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=129.186.31.38
BROADCAST=129.186.31.255
GATEWAY=129.186.31.254
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1

these last two lines simply aren't working with the variable names.  I
added 

route add -net 129.186.31.0
route add -net default gw 129.186.31.254 metric 1

explicitly naming the devices, and it works fine.

Also, the original file continues to work under the old kernel; this
seems to be a difference between the kernels.

SO who do i report this to?

rick

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Douglas Bates <dbates@stats.adelaide.edu.au> writes:

> Does anyone have suggestions on 
>  a) does this seem like a reasonable approach?
>  b) if so, what would be good tools for creating such a POP forwarder?
> I have some experience with sockets under perl if that seemed to be a
> good way or I could treat this as an opportunity to get more exposure
> to Java.  Both of these methods would take me a bit of time.  Is there
> some tool in the Debian distribution that could do a quick-and-dirty
> job on this?

There are probably better or more sophisticated solutions, but I think
this one will work.

I think you can just give each of them an account on your Debian box,
then use popclient (part of netstd) to get their mail from the
external server to their Linux account.  Then they will be able to use
pop to get their mail from your Linux box.  I've done this before, but
I have sendmail running on all the machines involved.  I'm not sure if
that's necessary.  Perhaps someone else can say one way or the other.

--
Rob

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Lawrence Chim <ychim@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> writes:

> Is it necessary to install lib5-dev in order to compile programs.

Yes

> I don't know why there is a libc5-dev.  If I install a new kernel,
> it comes with its only kernel headers.

Install libc5-dev and read  /usr/doc/libc5-dev/FAQ.gz.

> Also, if I install libc5-dev, can I still install a newer version of
> linux kernel whenever it is available.

Yes, use the kernel-package package if you want to roll your own.
It's still in the experimental section because the user interface may
change, but it works great.  You can also just use the debian
kernel-source pakages if you are happy recompiling the version that
debian has available.

--
Rob

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>>>>> Fritz Ilg <frick19@nfi.com> writes:

> I am a Linux novice and I have a Slackware Linux distribution installed
> on my Toshiba 105CS Satellite, which works fine. I am planning to install
> DEBIAN Linux on to my Laptop. Unfortunately I have no CD-ROM drive avail- 
> able with this Laptop which make this attempt impossible.
> I have one CD-ROM with the DEBIAN Linux distribution on it. As I am able
> to run this CD on a Windows-based PC-System WIN95 on a seperat computer I 
> thought it might be possible to make floppys, like I did with the 
> Slackware distribution. I soon realized that a lot of files are too large 
> to fit onto the disk.

> Is there anybody out there ...who can give me some advises how I can
> solve this problem.

You need to 'split' the .deb files that are too big.  This requires
dpkg-split, but I am not aware of a WIN95 version of this.  If you
created a (relatively minimal) linux partition on your cdrom machine,
then you could split the .deb files and copy them to floppies.

-- 
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I have friends visiting for a couple of weeks and I would like to help
them access their e-mail while here.  They are accustomed to using
applications such as Eudora or Netscape under Windows to access a POP
server.  I can provide them with the opportunity to connect the
Windows machine to a PPP account here but, because of firewalls, they
will not be able to POP the mail directly from their home server.
However, my Debian Linux machine can reach outside the firewall and
access their home server for them.

It seems easiest then to create accounts on this Linux machine for them
and schedule cron jobs that establish a POP connection to their home
server, pick up their mail and deposit it in /var/spool/mail.  They
can then pop their mail from this machine.

Does anyone have suggestions on 
 a) does this seem like a reasonable approach?
 b) if so, what would be good tools for creating such a POP forwarder?
I have some experience with sockets under perl if that seemed to be a
good way or I could treat this as an opportunity to get more exposure
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David Gaudine <david@annette.concordia.ca> writes:

> This does work.  Since I don't know how to find the configuration
> programs for some package, I use dselect to remove the package and
> then to reinstall it.  I assume there's a better way, but this does
> work.

There's nothing too terribly wrong with that, but often a package will
tell you about it's config programs during the install process.
Failing that, or if you forget what it told you, you can also either
try reading the docs in /usr/doc/packagename, or more directly, try
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Hi,
>>"Bruce" == Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> writes:

Bruce> Kernel-package seems to be in the project/experimental
Bruce> directory of the archive. I don't know why...

	It's there because I wasn't sure that the user interface was
 stable enough to let it on the wide public just as we went into a
 code-freeze -- I have some ideas I've been holding off till after the
 1.1 release that would make the process a lot easier (at the expense
 of changing user interaction).

	The package will move out of the experimental directory after
 the new version is released (but please go ahead and use it; I am
 looking for suggestions to make the kernel build process easier, and
 feedback on the current package is invaluable).

	manoj

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   From: Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu>
   Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> writes:

   > * Is it true that dselect automatically updates to newer versions of
   > packages (if a newer version appears in the directory structure and
   > you run dselect)?  What do you do if you want to reinstall the same
   > version of a package - can you do it? (for example you might want to
   > re - set it up)

This does work.  Since I don't know how to find the configuration programs
for some package, I use dselect to remove the package and then to reinstall it.
I assume there's a better way, but this does work.

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one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
.xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?

rick

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I'm using 0.93R6...

I can't find any docs for groff.  No man pages, no texinfo pages, nada.
Sorta frustrating.  I checked /var/lib/dpkg/info/groff.list, but no dice.
Just executables and fonts.

Am I doing something wrong?  If not, where can I scavenge up some
documentation?

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I can't quite get nfs going for some reason.  I had it going quickly
under the 1.2 kernel (i have 2 machines sitting here).

I uncommented everything in /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs.  I added / to
exports.  I added ALL: .iastate.edu to hosts.allow.

ANd the two machines give me different errors  . . .

trying to mount from one, 

# mount -t nfs 129.186.31.38:/ /server/
mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered

THe other (the .38 machine)  reports during boot that 
/etc/init.d/rc: /etc/rc2.d/S25netstd_nfs: permission denied.

however, it will mount .40's file system without complaint.
Unfortuneately, it is the other direction that is important . . .

What i need to figure out, in addition to getting them talking, is the
turning of one into a server for the other.

WHen these machines start getting replaced, we'll be able to grab them
for grad students as linux boxes as xterminals.  THey'll generally be
8mb (after cannibalizing another, or buying 4mb).  SOme (most?) will get
a second 80mb drive.

SO I need to come up with a base configuration that gets 16mb of swap,
and installs x in the remainder, followed by an allocation for the next
80mb that adds more useful stuff, followed by finding the rest on the
file system.

SO i need to configure paths so that both the second drive & the file
server mount into the original structure.  I'm not qiiiite sure how to
do this.  Can I mount another device as read only into the original file
system? 

And has anyone ever dealt with mounting AFS (mit's athena) to interact
with our worksations file system?

Finally, we have departmental servers for our dos/windows machines.
would mounting these be practical?  it seems possible somehow from the
kernal configuration questions.

which leaves the miscellaneous piece: how would i install packages into
a non-standard place (ie, the server?).


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Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:

> In a nutshell: this is normal.  You don't have a problem.

I'm not sure if this is related, but there was one problem with the
*configuration* of the loopback interface that was fixed in the latest
package.

The original /etc/init.d/network read:

# Configure the loopback device.
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add 127.0.0.1
 
It should read:

# Configure the loopback device.
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0 dev lo 

This is mentioned in the Changes file for the new kernel (among other
places).

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>>>>> Andreas Kerzmann <anker@mpi-sb.mpg.de> writes:

>> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Preston <steve@eowyn.gte.com> writes:
>> 
Steve> You need to 'split' the .deb files that are too big.  This
Steve> requires dpkg-split, but I am not aware of a WIN95 version of
Steve> this.  If you created a (relatively minimal) linux partition on
Steve> your cdrom machine, then you could split the .deb files and
Steve> copy them to floppies.
>> 
>> Maybe it's easier to find a MSDOS port of GNU tar and then tar the
>> required packages on multiple volumes which are then transferrable to
>> the laptop.
>> 

> What about setting up a serial link between the Win-PC and the laptop?
> I honestly do not know wether Win95 likes serial links, but I definitly
> know that my old 286 running DOS 6.0 is even able to export nfs over
> serial line. I suggest using a zmodem protocol or something similar.
> Any ideas?

I think the 'tar' idea has the best chance of succeeding.  The serial
link idea would require less physical effort (I put almost all the
.deb files under 'unstable' onto floppies; it took over 80), but you'd
have to get either slip, ppp or something up between Win95 and linux.
I don't know if the kernel and utilities on the debian boot/root disks
are capable of slip or ppp, so you may have to install a few packages
before it would be feasible.  Probably all the packages you need for
this would fit on floppies though.

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> > one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
> > .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?
> 
> Here's an example of how I sometimes launch xdm:
> 
> xdm -config /home/syrus/.fvwmrc -session /home/syrus/.xinitrc\
>   -resources /home/syrus/.Xdefaults       
> 
> That way, the files in my directory are used for the configuration.
> I run this command from a script as root when I want to use xdm.

for the moment, at least, i've been leaving xdm running automatically at
boot.  is there a way to do this this way?  come to think of it, it
would have to be able to use whoever logged in's file . . .

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Rick Hawkins <rhawkins@iastate.edu> writes:

> one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
> .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?

Is it's executable bit set?  /etc/X11/Xsession checks this to decide
whether or not to run the user's script.

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
> .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?

Here's an example of how I sometimes launch xdm:

xdm -config /home/syrus/.fvwmrc -session /home/syrus/.xinitrc\
  -resources /home/syrus/.Xdefaults       

That way, the files in my directory are used for the configuration.
I run this command from a script as root when I want to use xdm.

Syrus.


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: >   o  GNAT (GNU Ada Translator)
: I believe this was released the other day, too.

Cool, I didn't even notice that it was on the wanted list when I
uploaded it. (I better put together -2, since -1 is missing a few
files...) 

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Rick Hawkins wrote:
> 
> one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
> .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?
> 
> rick

I ran into this.  Reading /etc/X11/Xsession told me enough to
fix it.

Edit /etc/X11/config and add the following lines:
allow-user-resources
allow-user-modmap
allow-user-xsession

I think this should be concidered a bug.  These lines should
already be present and the sysadmin can remove one or more of
them in very unusual cases where that might be desired.

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Rob, I hope you don't mind.  I'm forwarding this message to the list as
it seems relevant.

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Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu> writes:

> Here's an example of how I sometimes launch xdm:
> 
> xdm -config /home/syrus/.fvwmrc -session /home/syrus/.xinitrc\
>   -resources /home/syrus/.Xdefaults       
> 
> That way, the files in my directory are used for the configuration.
> I run this command from a script as root when I want to use xdm.

This is redundant.  The default debian setup does all this for you.

Check out /etc/X11/Xsession.  That's what debian xdm runs to start up
a session.

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A couple of people have given me pointers to some docs for troff/groff, so
let me say thanks to them.

Additionally, check this out:

::::::::::::::
groff.postinst
::::::::::::::
#! /bin/sh
rm -f /usr/bin/geqn /usr/bin/gtbl /usr/bin/gpic
ln -s eqn /usr/bin/geqn
ln -s tbl /usr/bin/gtbl
ln -s pic /usr/bin/gpic
#
# Fix bug #623
# Previous versions may have set the permissions of /usr/doc/groff 
# wrongly. Set permissions here to be sure.
#
chmod 755 /usr/doc/groff
exit 0

Now poke yer nose into groff.list and just see if you can find a directory
called /usr/doc/groff.  Nope, hain't there.

Again, I'm using 0.93R6.  If this has been fixed since, I'd love to hear
about it.  I'm poor and would have to suck the new distribution through a
14.4 line, so please cry for me.  :)

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>>>>> Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

> I can point setserial at a particular port, but can't seem to tell it to
> set the stop bits to two.

By the way, having 7 data bits and 2 stop bits should be equivalent to
having 8 data bits without parity generation and 1 stop bit.  This is
because the data bits are sent least significant bit first, and a stop
bit is the same as a zero data bit.

You might therefore want to try
  stty cs8 -parenb -cstopb

One reason you may want to have it set up this way, is if your
terminal has a meta key, and you use emacs.  A true meta key simply
turns on the msb of a generated character.

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with all of these solutions running around, did we ask if he will still
have a dos partion?  if he will, just get the files onto that, mount the
partion, and instaalll . . .

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> Sven Rudolph writes:
> >   4.  Packages that someone is working on
> > 
> >   Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
> >   packages, but someone is working on providing a package.
> >   [...]
> >   o  Xemacs
> 
> Has been released a while ago.

Really?  Where is it?

Gerry
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Here's part of a msg. I've just sent to debian-bugs:

---------
Finally, another weird problem. lpd is complaining about invalid
printer names, but the printcap is correct; also, the behaviour is
somewhat erratic. To debug this I inserted a fprintf in the routine
that gets the hole lines from /etc/printcap, to show the full line,
and in the calling routine, to show the returned value. This is inside
a loop, that finishes when the printcap file ends. I also just made
the forked children exit immediately. This way I got a large dump,
with many repetitions of the printer entries, which is obviously
bogus. However, putting a fflush right after the two fprintf's the
problem disappeared completely!! Am I missing something or is there a
problem elsewhere?
----------

I'm repeating this here because this has an important consequence:
when lpd starts it forks a child for each printer it finds in
/etc/printcap. The repetition of lines I mentioned above thus produces
a furious fork loop. This apparently is no problem when the machine
boots, but when it's running fully it can get killed. I've just
restarted lpd in 5 machines here, and two of them just stopped
responding and I had to press the big switch :-( There's surely a bug
somewhere, but I don't know where to look for it.

This is with 2.0.0 and libc 5.2.18-6.

Carlos

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> Under the beta releases with 1.3.9x, the following file is created:
> 
> #!      /bin/sh
> ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
> route add 127.0.0.1
> IPADDR=129.186.31.38
> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> NETWORK=129.186.31.38
> BROADCAST=129.186.31.255
> GATEWAY=129.186.31.254
> ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
> route add -net ${NETWORK}
> route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1
> 
> these last two lines simply aren't working with the variable names.  I
> added 

The reason the last "route add -net ${NETWORK}" is not working is that it
is expecting a network address (ending in .0) and it is getting a host
address instead.  In the above example, change the "NETWORK=129.186.31.38" 
line to "NETWORK=129.186.31.0" and things should work.  If this is indeed
getting created this way by a Debian script, it needs to be changed
immediately.  I don't think 0.93 had this bug, so perhaps people 
upgrading from that release won't experience this problem.

Gerry
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> Rick Hawkins <rhawkins@iastate.edu> writes:
> 
> > one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
> > .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?
> 
> Is it's executable bit set?  /etc/X11/Xsession checks this to decide
> whether or not to run the user's script.

the combination of that, and changing to .xsession, did it.

and now emacs is telling me that it doesn't recognize a -geom option.
huh?  so how do i get it to place itself automatically?

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> The reason the last "route add -net ${NETWORK}" is not working is that it
> is expecting a network address (ending in .0) and it is getting a host
> address instead.  In the above example, change the "NETWORK=129.186.31.38" 
> line to "NETWORK=129.186.31.0" and things should work.  If this is indeed
> getting created this way by a Debian script, it needs to be changed
> immediately.  I don't think 0.93 had this bug, so perhaps people 
> upgrading from that release won't experience this problem.

i'll swap this in and see what happens.

This was created by the debian script of June 22 . . .


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Some packages seem to 'require' things they shouldn't need.  For
example, gnuplot can run (believe it or not, I've used this)
with a terminal of 'dumb,' outputting text graphs etc., but
needs xlib.  I solved this last time by just installing xlib,
even though I wasn't running X.

I ran into this problem again today; python requires tk40
and tcl74, which is fine if you want to use tkinter, but
I don't, at this point.  I would try to appease it, but
unfortunately I only have tk41 and tcl75.

What I'll probably do is go to a networked machine and put
tk40 and tcl75 on disk, but it would be nicer if there was
some system that could disable/enable features in packages.
I am reminded of this by the recent announcement of libc5
with support for pthreads; it would be fun to try a threaded
python, but wouldn't make much sense if you didn't have the
pthreads kernal module installed.

The other solution is to just have a bunch of different python
packages for whatever system, but that's not as Neat.

In other news, minicom consistantly fails to install:

  dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: 
  No such file or directory

And modconf always dies in the 'net' section (I had this machine
networked to get what I thought I needed, then taken off).  It took
me awhile sans man to find that I needed to change conf.modules and
/etc/modules.  No, I don't know why it dies; it just waits a really
long time looking for modules, and then returns to the previous
menu.  When I looked closely once, I saw a 'Segmentation Fault' for
a moment, but I haven't been able to reproduce this.

But I'm certainly glad to finally have linux at home; if I can
just figure out anything about this monitor, I could give X a try...
but that's another story.

Thanks for your time,
Paul

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> : NETWORK=129.186.31.38
> 
> IPADDR as the same as the NETWORK address?? Strange, isn't it?

err, forgot about this in the message i just sent.

On these machines, i found that i had to use their own address as teh
network address, rather than the .0 address; otherwise they wouldn't
talk to anything.

rick

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The installation menu provides a prototype network number made from the
logical AND of your IP address and your netmask. If the user types in the
wrong netmask or overrides the prototype network number (which I think is
what happened here), they can get an incorrect value. I'll have to look at
this when I get home, I'm not in front of my Debian system.

Netmasks, by the way, can legitimately have zeroes in less than all 8
bits of the last octet. They should, however, have zeroes in one or
more low-order bits, and we could check for that.

	Thanks

	Bruce

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:
> Under the beta releases with 1.3.9x, the following file is created:
> 
> #!      /bin/sh
> ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
> route add 127.0.0.1
> IPADDR=129.186.31.38
> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> NETWORK=129.186.31.38
> BROADCAST=129.186.31.255
> GATEWAY=129.186.31.254
> ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
> route add -net ${NETWORK}
> route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1
> 
> these last two lines simply aren't working with the variable names.  I
> added 

Gerry:
> The reason the last "route add -net ${NETWORK}" is not working is that it
> is expecting a network address (ending in .0) and it is getting a host
> address instead.

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Paul Kautz:
> Some packages seem to 'require' things they shouldn't need.  For
> example, gnuplot can run (believe it or not, I've used this)
> with a terminal of 'dumb,' outputting text graphs etc., but
> needs xlib.  I solved this last time by just installing xlib,
> even though I wasn't running X.

This is a consequence of the way that shared libraries are currently
implemented by the standard startup code that comes with gcc.  HJLu
has written a rather nice document describing the underlying
mechanisms -- I think that it should be possible to develop an
alternative strategy that lets you test for the presence of a library
at the time that you run into the first system call into that library.

The biggest issue would be deciding how to tell the compiler which
libraries should be given this special treatment.  I'm a little
uncertain that the obvious solution (do it for all shared libraries,
or do it for none) will always do the right thing for libc.

Followups to this message should go to debian-devel (or maybe
linux-gcc@vger.rutgers.edu).

-- 
Raul

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> I ran into this problem again today; python requires tk40
> and tcl74, which is fine if you want to use tkinter, but
> I don't, at this point.  I would try to appease it, but
> unfortunately I only have tk41 and tcl75.
>
> [...] but it would be nicer if there was some system that could
> disable/enable features in packages.  [...]
>
> The other solution is to just have a bunch of different python
> packages for whatever system, but that's not as Neat.

The latest revision of the python package splits off all the non-core
features into dynamically loadable modules that are available as
separate packages.  I've been holding off on uploading it until after
the 1.1 release for fear of breaking things with the packaging
changes.

With regard to your other point (about disabling/enabling features in
packages), I'd argue that the existing packaging system works just
fine for that sort of thing, and that all we need are better tools for
managing collections of sub-packages as a group, somewhat akin to the
hierarchy of checkboxes you get when you install software on Windows
or Machintosh machines.  But then again talk is cheap unless I somehow
find time to implement something like that for debian.

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> > [...] but it would be nicer if there was some system that could
> > disable/enable features in packages.  [...]

> The latest revision of the python package splits off all the non-core
> features into dynamically loadable modules that are available as
> separate packages.  

Well, that sounds about like what I described!  Excellent.
This sounds like a good strategy to popularize.

BTW, do you have a thread module for the new pthreads support?

Paul

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Rick Hawkins <rhawkins@iastate.edu> writes:

> and now emacs is telling me that it doesn't recognize a -geom option.
> huh?  so how do i get it to place itself automatically?

Are you using -geom or -geometry?  I use the latter and it works.

--
Rob

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Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:

> Now poke yer nose into groff.list and just see if you can find a directory
> called /usr/doc/groff.  Nope, hain't there.
> 
> Again, I'm using 0.93R6.  If this has been fixed since, I'd love to hear
> about it.  I'm poor and would have to suck the new distribution through a
> 14.4 line, so please cry for me.  :)

I have all the docs, but I'm using the new Debian 1.1 package.  Time
for the kleenex...

--
Rob

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> BTW, do you have a thread module for the new pthreads support?

Didn't know it existed.  Send me a pointer and I'll include it in the
next release.  

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   Hello, i'm a new Debian convert.  I have been using the ftp method
of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines.  I
have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance
procedure.


   In all i am very happy with the quality of the Debian distribution.
The installation went very smoothly, and most of the few bugs/hickups
i found have since been fixed.


   The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
   This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

   For example, the Packages file in unstable/ currently thinks that
the available version of xforms is 0.80j-2, but the file present in
the unstable/binary/x11 directory is identified as version 0.80j-3.  


   A couple of packages are missing some of the install scripts.  For
example sudo.  Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Setting up sudo ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing sudo (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


   The default system init scripts have two shortcomings in my mind.

   kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.

   Also, "mdadd -ar" doesnt work.  The mdtools man pages are wrong.  
The workaround is to mdadd and mdrun each md-device individually.
   

   All in all i am very happy to have discovered the Debian
distribution.


Sebastian Kuzminsky
kuzminsk@cs.colorado.edu

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   Hello, i'm a new Debian convert.  I have been using the ftp method
of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines.  I
have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance
procedure.


   In all i am very happy with the quality of the Debian distribution.
The installation went very smoothly, and most of the few bugs/hickups
i found have since been fixed.


   The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
   This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

   For example, the Packages file in unstable/ currently thinks that
the available version of xforms is 0.80j-2, but the file present in
the unstable/binary/x11 directory is identified as version 0.80j-3.  


   A couple of packages are missing some of the install scripts.  For
example sudo.  Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Setting up sudo ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing sudo (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


   The default system init scripts have two shortcomings in my mind.

   kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.

   Also, "mdadd -ar" doesnt work.  The mdtools man pages are wrong.  
The workaround is to mdadd and mdrun each md-device individually.
   

   All in all i am very happy to have discovered the Debian
distribution.


Sebastian Kuzminsky
kuzminsk@cs.colorado.edu

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, David M. Cooke wrote:

> I ran into this.  Reading /etc/X11/Xsession told me enough to
> fix it.
> 
> Edit /etc/X11/config and add the following lines:
> allow-user-resources
> allow-user-modmap
> allow-user-xsession
> 
> I think this should be concidered a bug.  These lines should
> already be present and the sysadmin can remove one or more of
> them in very unusual cases where that might be desired.

Yes, I consider it to be a bug. I haven't worked out exactly which 
interaction between the package configuration scripts makes 
/etc/X11/config be created without these lines, but I'm going to skip the 
problem by writing a little utility to make the scripts properly idempotent.
Expect new X packages in a few days.

Steve Early
sde1000@cam.ac.uk

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I have had for the longest time the problem of never being able to
get PPP to connect with a server the first time (off af a boot). I used
to think it was the provider, but now believe it is me, since I can 
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	Thanks, Steve Millard

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Sebastian Kuzminsky said:
> 
>    Hello, i'm a new Debian convert.  I have been using the ftp method
> of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines.  I
> have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance
> procedure.

Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's
not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf


-- 
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Sebastian Kuzminsky said:
> 
>    Hello, i'm a new Debian convert.  I have been using the ftp method
> of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines.  I
> have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance
> procedure.

Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's
not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf


-- 
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I just discovered that my system logging utilities stopped functioning two
days ago after I did some upgrades.  I attempted to reinstall sysklogd
1.3-6 but received the following error message:

warning: /etc/init.d/sysklogd doesn't exist during rc.d setup.  Error
processing sysklogd

I don't recall all the packages I upgraded but sysvinit comes to mind.  I
also purged the old syslogd from the system when I installed dpkg 1.2.6.
Any ideas on this one?

TIA, ---Richard

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I read the Changes file in the distribution of linux-2.0
There are some comments about the networking setup and sendmail filelocking.
Do they affect debian users?

(1) Networking:
	They suggest replacing 'route add -net 127.0.0.1' with 
	'route add -net 127.0.0.0' in the network files.
	I found:
		ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
		route add 127.0.0.1
	in my /etc/init.d/network file. Is this okay?

(2) Sendmail:
	Something about file-locking conventions. Does the debian
	sendmail package obey this? I remember something unconventional
	about the debian package.

--Derek Lee

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
>    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
> tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
> ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
> causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
>    This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
files are not always up-to-date.

I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.

> Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
> be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?

You should file a bug against sudo.  Read /debian/doc/bug-reporting.txt
on any mirror for instructions.

>    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
> possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
> is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
> md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
> i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.

But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
want to change the order.

My advice is not to compile raid0 as a module.  It'll never be removed,
you realize, so there's really no benefit to compiling it as a module.


Guy

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
>    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
> tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
> ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
> causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
>    This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
files are not always up-to-date.

I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.

> Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
> be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?

You should file a bug against sudo.  Read /debian/doc/bug-reporting.txt
on any mirror for instructions.

>    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
> possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
> is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
> md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
> i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.

But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
want to change the order.

My advice is not to compile raid0 as a module.  It'll never be removed,
you realize, so there's really no benefit to compiling it as a module.


Guy

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, stevem wrote:

> Also, while I'm on the subject, has anyone crafted a perl script that 
> replaces chat, or know where there is one? I tried it and gave up and now
> have a hybrid perl/chat script. Pure perl would be preferred.

I use the runscript program that comes with minicom. It has these
fairly obvious commands:

            expect   send     goto     gosub    return   !
            exit     print    set      inc      dec      if
            timeout  verbose  sleep    break    call

call calls another script and ! runs a shell/command.

...RickM...

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> I read the Changes file in the distribution of linux-2.0
> There are some comments about the networking setup and sendmail filelocking.
> Do they affect debian users?
> 
[...]
> 
> (2) Sendmail:
> 	Something about file-locking conventions. Does the debian
> 	sendmail package obey this? I remember something unconventional
> 	about the debian package.

The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as
recommended by the kernel notes.

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Scott Barker <scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> writes:

> Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's
> not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf

You have to install dpkg-ftp.

--
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Scott Barker <scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> writes:

> Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's
> not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf

You have to install dpkg-ftp.

--
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Guy Maor wrote:
: 
: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
: >    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
: > tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
: > ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
: > causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
: >    This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.
: 
: The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
: typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
: files are not always up-to-date.

Woah ... could you post that script?  (Since I not always get a new
Package file if I fetched a new package and since I don't want to fetch
all the updated *deb files only for the sake of a synced Package file.)


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Guy Maor wrote:
: 
: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
: >    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
: > tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
: > ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
: > causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
: >    This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.
: 
: The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
: typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
: files are not always up-to-date.

Woah ... could you post that script?  (Since I not always get a new
Package file if I fetched a new package and since I don't want to fetch
all the updated *deb files only for the sake of a synced Package file.)


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On 12 Jun 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> David Gaudine <david@annette.concordia.ca> writes:
> 
> > This does work.  Since I don't know how to find the configuration
> > programs for some package, I use dselect to remove the package and
> > then to reinstall it.  I assume there's a better way, but this does
> > work.
> 
> There's nothing too terribly wrong with that, but often a package will
> tell you about it's config programs during the install process.
> Failing that, or if you forget what it told you, you can also either
> try reading the docs in /usr/doc/packagename, or more directly, try
> "dpkg --listfiles packagename".
> 
> --
> Rob

If you have the package on your drive, you can just dpkg -i (package).

Dselect uses options to prevent it reinstalling packages that are already
in... A "reinstall" options along with install;remove;purge would be nice...
(but it's not real critical).

dpkg -i (already there package)  is good when you are dealing with
"essential" packages and so on.  (the manual attention is good for base
packages anyway :) )

-------
BTW I'd like to say I really like the new "[S]elect" screen in dselect...
Especially the new/broken packages at the top.
=======


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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Steve Preston wrote:

(clip)
> 
> You need to 'split' the .deb files that are too big.  This requires
> dpkg-split, but I am not aware of a WIN95 version of this.  If you
> created a (relatively minimal) linux partition on your cdrom machine,
> then you could split the .deb files and copy them to floppies.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Preston (spreston@gte.com)


Why are there always utilities to do this?

What would happen if I wrote a simple program to output the file in volumes
of a certain size, and then used "cat" to stick em end to end?


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Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
: 

:    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
: tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
: ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
: causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
:    This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

Yes -- so a question to all the other readers  and/or maintainers and/or
Ian:  is there (I'm sure, it is ;-) a script that scans available *.deb
files and creates the Packages file?  (Since sometime I retrieve a
updated version of a *.deb file and want dselect know of this.


:    A couple of packages are missing some of the install scripts.  For
: example sudo.  Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
: be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?
: 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Setting up sudo ...
: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
: dpkg: error processing sudo (--install):
:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a quick fix:

        cd /bin
        ln -s /usr/bin/perl .

since the sudo's post-install script relies on /bin/perl ...

: 
:    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
: possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this

:    All in all i am very happy to have discovered the Debian
: distribution.

Me too.

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Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
: 

:    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
: tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
: ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
: causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
:    This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

Yes -- so a question to all the other readers  and/or maintainers and/or
Ian:  is there (I'm sure, it is ;-) a script that scans available *.deb
files and creates the Packages file?  (Since sometime I retrieve a
updated version of a *.deb file and want dselect know of this.


:    A couple of packages are missing some of the install scripts.  For
: example sudo.  Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
: be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?
: 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Setting up sudo ...
: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
: dpkg: error processing sudo (--install):
:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a quick fix:

        cd /bin
        ln -s /usr/bin/perl .

since the sudo's post-install script relies on /bin/perl ...

: 
:    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
: possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this

:    All in all i am very happy to have discovered the Debian
: distribution.

Me too.

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> >    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
> > tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
> > ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This

> I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.

Pleas do so in the future. This is what the users and mirrors do expect.


Yours,
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Hopefully the Packages file will be in sync with the package versions on 
the CD-ROMs that get made (I'm thinking specifically of iConnect who claims
to master them twice daily).

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Richard Lovison wrote:
 
> I just discovered that my system logging utilities stopped functioning two
> days ago after I did some upgrades.  I attempted to reinstall sysklogd
> 1.3-6 but received the following error message:
> 
> warning: /etc/init.d/sysklogd doesn't exist during rc.d setup.  Error
> processing sysklogd
> 
I managed to solve my own problem. :)  I extracted the files from
the sysklogd package into a "work" directory and then copied the sysklogd
file to /etc/init.d.  I was then able to reinstall the sysklogd package
and have the logging utilities working once again.  I am still not sure
how the original /etc/init.d/sysklogd disappeared---maybe when I purged
the old version of syslogd. ---Richard

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> >    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
> > tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
> > ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This

> I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.

Pleas do so in the future. This is what the users and mirrors do expect.


Yours,
-- martin

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rob Leslie wrote:

> > (2) Sendmail:
> > 	Something about file-locking conventions. Does the debian
> > 	sendmail package obey this? I remember something unconventional
> > 	about the debian package.
> 
> The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as
> recommended by the kernel notes.

One site I installed debian on uses sendmail.  There are several dial
in users, mostly using pop3d to retrieve their mail.  

Under some circumstances (*see below), pop3d hangs - leaving a large
temporary file in /tmp and also leaving the user's mail file locked.

The mailbox stays locked until the pop3d process is killed.  Meanwhile
mail can not be delivered to that user.  As this is on a small
hobbyist/bbs type system, that might be a day or so before the admin
notices the problem.  Not good.

Anyone out there seen anything like this?  Got a fix for it?



* circumstances are unknown at this stage - appears to be related to
size of mailbox file but doesn't happen often enough for a common
pattern to emerge.  As far as I know, it's only happened when a user
was downloading a mail file which contained one or more large uuencoded
files.  My guess is that it's an obscure bug in pop3d triggered by
either a) mailbox file too large for it to cope with or b) user
terminating the mail download too early/at the wrong moment because
they're getting bored waiting or c) something about some uuencoded files
is confusing the hell out of pop3d.

Craig

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Rob Browning said:
> You have to install dpkg-ftp.

After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental

Now, to give it a try...


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Rob Browning said:
> You have to install dpkg-ftp.

After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental

Now, to give it a try...


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Rob Leslie said:
> The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as
> recommended by the kernel notes.

But make sure to used *hashed* database files. If you use dbm files, you get
problems. The dbm library must have been compiled to use fcntl (or lockf).


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On 12 Jun 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
> 
> > Now poke yer nose into groff.list and just see if you can find a directory
> > called /usr/doc/groff.  Nope, hain't there.
> > 
> > Again, I'm using 0.93R6.  If this has been fixed since, I'd love to hear
> > about it.  I'm poor and would have to suck the new distribution through a
> > 14.4 line, so please cry for me.  :)
> 
> I have all the docs, but I'm using the new Debian 1.1 package.  Time
> for the kleenex...

Well, I'm using an unmodified 0.93R6, and have a nice /usr/doc/groff
directory with several documents:

total 106
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1182 Jul  2  1995 BUG-REPORT.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        54908 Jul  2  1995 ChangeLog.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          803 Jul  2  1995 Makefile.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         8714 Jul  2  1995 NEWS.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         7039 Jul  2  1995 PROBLEMS.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          318 Jul  2  1995 PROJECTS.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           18 Feb 28 21:49 README.DEBIAN -> ../copyright/groff
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          883 Jul  2  1995 README.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          380 Jul  2  1995 TODO.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        14160 Jul  2  1995 meintro.me.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        12902 Jul  2  1995 meref.me.gz

The installed groff package status is:

Package: groff
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: text
Maintainer: Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
Version: 1.09
Revision: 4

I'm not sure, but it is possible that the particular package file you
installed is corrupted.  When I first installed my Debian system, I
used the Yggdrasil Internet Archives distrib, which, by the way, was
corrupted.  In particular, the groff package was broken, and, despite
it installed aparently well, it didn't work correctly (unfortunately,
I never checked to see if the documentation had been installed).

I fixed the problem by simply downloading a fresh package file from
the archive, and installing it using the --force-install option to
dpkg, so that it replaced the broken package completely.  Things are
now ok.

Regards,

M. S.
------------
Martin A. Soto J.                           Profesor
Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion
Universidad de los Andes      masoto@uniandes.edu.co

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Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:

> 3) Are there Debian packages for the following (as of 0.93R6, there
> weren't)?
>   kermit

Don't think so.

>   mpeg viewer

Yes, ucbmpeg.

>   pdf (acroread)

Yes, xpdf.

>   psfonts

Don't know what you mean.

>   vrml

Don't think so (feel free to make one :>).

--
Rob

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Could someone tell me:

1) What is the nature of the conflict between elvis and emacs?  I know it
has something to do with ctags, but I'd appreciate a bit more information...

2) Why does minicom conflict with lrzsz?

3) Are there Debian packages for the following (as of 0.93R6, there
weren't)?
  kermit
  mpeg viewer
  pdf (acroread)
  psfonts
  vrml

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ok... I think I got Debian installed, at least part way....  I have a few problems 
though... 1st is when my computer turns on, it says "FA:"  I figured out what this is 
(choses your method of booting, right?) I press "A" and it says "1234F" Pressing 1 gets 
me Windows 95, "F" will boot from a floppy, and the others lock up...  What am I 
supposed to do to get debian to boot?

Also, booting from a floppy, I got to the place where it was asking for packages.  It 
doesn't recognize the packages I have stored locally, how can I get it to load them?

Thanks for your help!

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Unless something goes horribly wrong, Debian 1.1 will be released on Monday.
Not every bug is fixed (far from it if you look at the bug listing). I am
looking into the last few possible show-stoppers (the netmask configuration
thing, and the dselect CD and hard-disk method) and the networking packages
will be replaced with linux-2.0-aware-ones. My intent is to get this release
out to the public and get to work on fixing problems in 1.2 . Of course,
1.2 isn't going to be perfect either :-)

	Thanks

	Bruce

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> Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
> 
> > 3) Are there Debian packages for the following (as of 0.93R6, there
> > weren't)?
> >   kermit

There is a kermit package, but we have to store it at Columbia U's ftp
site.  Read /unstable/binary-i386/comm/kermit.README.

> >   psfonts

There's gsfonts, fonts for ghostscript.  Is that what you mean?


Guy

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stevem <stevem@mantis.microserve.com>, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Also, while I'm on the subject, has anyone crafted a perl script that 
>replaces chat, or know where there is one? I tried it and gave up and now
>have a hybrid perl/chat script. Pure perl would be preferred.

Check out Comm.pl at -CPAN-/authors/id/ERICA/Comm.pl-1.5beta.tar.gz
(-CPAN- is any CPAN site.  I got this from ftp://ftp.delphi.com/pub/mirrors/packages/perl/CPAN/)

(BTW, this is both perl4 and perl5 compliant...)

- From the Announcement:
What:

  "Comm.pl", a successor to "chat2.pl", providing a high level interface to:

    - STREAM/UDP sockets
    - pseudo-tty control
    - Revamped "expect"-like functionality (plus "interact").
    - ioctl/stty terminal mode control

  other things:

    - Support for BSD & SVR4 flavors (so far, tested with SunOS4.x, olaris2.x)
    - sample client/server and expect scripts

Why:

  - "chat2.pl" doesn't have SVR4 support.  People have been posted a
    lot with questions about getting SOCK_STREAM right, or how to get
    a pty.

  - The Expect pattern/action pair only confuses people the way that chat2
    emulated it.  A Perl "expect" should be simple; it should not be
    trying to execute code given as parameters; that's what the Perl
    interpreter is for.  Also, the TCL Expect program has a whole lot
    of stuff that we don't really need because it's available via other
    methods in Perl (i.e. "send_tty").

Darren
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Hi,

> ok... I think I got Debian installed, at least part way....  I have a few problems 
> though... 1st is when my computer turns on, it says "FA:"  I figured out what this is 
> (choses your method of booting, right?) I press "A" and it says "1234F" Pressing 1 gets 
> me Windows 95, "F" will boot from a floppy, and the others lock up...  What am I 
> supposed to do to get debian to boot?

The Question 'install debian in the mbr' (or something like that) did
missleaded me, too. I thought this would install lilo in the mbr, which i am
used to. I dont think this mbr thing is a usual bootloader and is good for
anything. Please remove this. (I wonder why debian always uses unusual
bootloaders :)

Greetings
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I (Sebastian Kuzminsky) wrote:
]    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
] tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
] ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
] causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.


Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu> replied:
] The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
] typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
] files are not always up-to-date.
] 
] I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.


   The Packages files in both the buzz/binary-i386 and the
unstable/binary-i386 directories STILL think the available xforms version
is 0.80j-2.  In both cases the available version is 0.80j-3....  Surely
it has been noon in PDT since installation of the updates xforms
packages.


   What's up with those two directories anyway?  Is "buzz" the code name 
for Debian 1.1?  Should i retrieve the buzz stuff rather than unstable?




I wrote:
]    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
] possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
] is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
] md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
] i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.


Guy Maor replied:
] But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
] like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
] can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
] want to change the order.
] 
] My advice is not to compile raid0 as a module.  It'll never be removed,
] you realize, so there's really no benefit to compiling it as a module.


   I administer a couple of machines, some of whom can take advantage of
a raid0 driver (because they have many disks) and some who cant.  I like
to compile as minimal a kernel as possible, and localize the kernels for
the different machines using loadable modules for everything that is
common to all machine (like raid0 and serial drivers for example).

   I will read up on init 2.62 and change the rc file names as
appropriate to fix this problem on my local network.




   Also, how about including the Network Administrators Guide and the
System Administrators Guide in debian-doc?




Sebastian Kuzminsky
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I (Sebastian Kuzminsky) wrote:
]    The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
] tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
] ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
] causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.


Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu> replied:
] The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
] typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
] files are not always up-to-date.
] 
] I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.


   The Packages files in both the buzz/binary-i386 and the
unstable/binary-i386 directories STILL think the available xforms version
is 0.80j-2.  In both cases the available version is 0.80j-3....  Surely
it has been noon in PDT since installation of the updates xforms
packages.


   What's up with those two directories anyway?  Is "buzz" the code name 
for Debian 1.1?  Should i retrieve the buzz stuff rather than unstable?




I wrote:
]    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
] possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
] is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
] md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
] i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.


Guy Maor replied:
] But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
] like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
] can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
] want to change the order.
] 
] My advice is not to compile raid0 as a module.  It'll never be removed,
] you realize, so there's really no benefit to compiling it as a module.


   I administer a couple of machines, some of whom can take advantage of
a raid0 driver (because they have many disks) and some who cant.  I like
to compile as minimal a kernel as possible, and localize the kernels for
the different machines using loadable modules for everything that is
common to all machine (like raid0 and serial drivers for example).

   I will read up on init 2.62 and change the rc file names as
appropriate to fix this problem on my local network.




   Also, how about including the Network Administrators Guide and the
System Administrators Guide in debian-doc?




Sebastian Kuzminsky
kuzminsk@cs.colorado.edu

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   Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu> writes:

   > Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
   > 
   > >   psfonts

   There's gsfonts, fonts for ghostscript.  Is that what you mean?

I got some sort of "can't find psfonts" error, I forget the details,
when I was using a bad copy of one of the package in the tex directory.
I can't check the name of the package now, something like psnfs(?)
I asked here, and someone told me to get the psnfs(?) package from the
stable directory instead of unstable, and everything worked.  I never did
figure out why.  However, it did seem that dselect went looking for a
package called psfonts when it really wanted psnfs(?)

Sorry to be so vague, but a vague answer is better than no answer.  Sometimes.

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> Why are there always utilities to do this?
> 
> What would happen if I wrote a simple program to output the file in volumes
> of a certain size, and then used "cat" to stick em end to end?

that works.  I had to do this a few times.

If you already have a unix somwehere, that simple program already
exists; it's part of the base debian installation.  

Anyway, while i had one of the two machines talking to the network,
while still working to get the second talking to the network, i had to
move files.

Anyway, the "split"  program creates files named xaa, xab, etc.  I moved
these by floppy, anc then "cat xa* > perl.deb" (or whatever), and dpkg
would install.  also, this is useful for putting the base1_1.tgz file in
place on a drive rather than using the 3 disk set.

Or (perhaps better), put a dos partition where you will ultimately put
your swap file, boot with the first 2 disks, make the debian partition,
hit alt-f2 to get a shell, then copy the files over:
(assuming the swap/dos partition is hda1, and the linux is hda2)

mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt
mkdir /target/debfiles
cp /mnt/* /target/debfiles
umount /mnt

Then boot dos, use dos fdisk to delete the partiton, reboot linux, make
& initialize your swap partiton, *be sure to use mount pre-existing*
linux partition rather than "initialize".

follow the instructons, and when it gets to the dselect program, tell it
to install from an already mounted partition, and answer for each type
that it asks that the files are in /debfiles, and that the Packages file
is "none"

rick

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.960613233555.8861C-100000@taz.net.au>,
Craig Sanders  <cas@taz.net.au> wrote:
>One site I installed debian on uses sendmail.  There are several dial
>in users, mostly using pop3d to retrieve their mail.  
>
>Under some circumstances (*see below), pop3d hangs - leaving a large
>temporary file in /tmp and also leaving the user's mail file locked.
>
>The mailbox stays locked until the pop3d process is killed.  Meanwhile
>mail can not be delivered to that user.  As this is on a small
>hobbyist/bbs type system, that might be a day or so before the admin
>notices the problem.  Not good.

Install the qualcomm popper instead - current debian version is 2.1.4-2,
but I'll release a 2.1.4-3 tomorrow because the previous one has a
serious locking problem. Other than that - it works beautifully.

Package name is qpopper-2.1.4-3

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:

>    The Packages files in both the buzz/binary-i386 and the
> unstable/binary-i386 directories STILL think the available xforms version
> is 0.80j-2.  In both cases the available version is 0.80j-3....  Surely
> it has been noon in PDT since installation of the updates xforms
> packages.

I installed the new versions on Tuesday evening.  The buzz directories
inadvertently broke Wednesday's script run.  That's been fixed so
today's run (going on now) will produce a correct Packages file.

>    What's up with those two directories anyway?  Is "buzz" the code name 
> for Debian 1.1?  Should i retrieve the buzz stuff rather than unstable?

Yes.  Unstable is Debian 1.2, but we won't refer to it that way on the
ftp site until it's released; we don't want another Infomagic-like
fiasco.

Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.


Guy

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:

>    The Packages files in both the buzz/binary-i386 and the
> unstable/binary-i386 directories STILL think the available xforms version
> is 0.80j-2.  In both cases the available version is 0.80j-3....  Surely
> it has been noon in PDT since installation of the updates xforms
> packages.

I installed the new versions on Tuesday evening.  The buzz directories
inadvertently broke Wednesday's script run.  That's been fixed so
today's run (going on now) will produce a correct Packages file.

>    What's up with those two directories anyway?  Is "buzz" the code name 
> for Debian 1.1?  Should i retrieve the buzz stuff rather than unstable?

Yes.  Unstable is Debian 1.2, but we won't refer to it that way on the
ftp site until it's released; we don't want another Infomagic-like
fiasco.

Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.


Guy

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> > I installed the new versions on Tuesday evening.  The buzz directories
> inadvertently broke Wednesday's script run.  That's been fixed so
> today's run (going on now) will produce a correct Packages file.

What about releasing the script which produces the Packages files?

> Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
> days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
> organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.

Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 
causing on the mirrors. Every mv on your side will cause a  rm and a 
reget on the mirror sites.
This will prevent the mirrors from keeping in sync and cause a lot of 
unneeded net traffic.
So please do the rearrangement after 1.1 has been released!


Yours,
-- martin

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> > I installed the new versions on Tuesday evening.  The buzz directories
> inadvertently broke Wednesday's script run.  That's been fixed so
> today's run (going on now) will produce a correct Packages file.

What about releasing the script which produces the Packages files?

> Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
> days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
> organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.

Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 
causing on the mirrors. Every mv on your side will cause a  rm and a 
reget on the mirror sites.
This will prevent the mirrors from keeping in sync and cause a lot of 
unneeded net traffic.
So please do the rearrangement after 1.1 has been released!


Yours,
-- martin

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>> problems. The dbm library must have been compiled to use fcntl (or lockf).

gdbm, as shipped by the FSF, compiles for fcntl or flock, depending on
which it finds. I'd taken over maintenance (though lacking bug reports
haven't uploaded a new package) but for my own use, built a version
that did no locking at all (it interferes with kerberos V5 database
locking, for one thing.)

If I could come up with a good interface (environment variable? mode
bits on the database?) I'd submit the patches for real...

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Hi,

> Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
> days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
> organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.

And the mirrors needs days to pick the changes up, and in the meantime 1.1
will be released... not a good idea IMHO.

Greetings
Bernd
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Hi,

> Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
> days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
> organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.

And the mirrors needs days to pick the changes up, and in the meantime 1.1
will be released... not a good idea IMHO.

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Bernd
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i hope this is the right place, if not please tell me where i should be
posting.

i've recently decided to switch to debian linux, i don't need to, my
current system is up to date and works well, but everything i've seen &
heard about debian has been really good, so i want to switch over.

i have had a few problems tho, and wanted to share them (with
suggestions).

the first problem was with the sound module.  for people with a true sb16,
the sound module makes a lot of noise (hissing).  when talking with hannu
about this in the past, he suggested using ``setmixer igain 0 ogain 0'',
which works great.

perhaps right after loading the sound module the install script it could
ask "do you hear a loud hiss from the speakers?"  and if the user answers
yes you could run /usr/bin/setmixer igain 0 ogain 0, then add

	post-install sound /usr/bin/setmixer igain 0 ogain 0

to the /etc/modules.conf file.  i wouldn't complain, but it _really_
is bad, and the setmixer binary is only about 4k.  with the post-install
line in /etc/modules.conf the user will never have to hear it again, as it
would be turned down whenever the module is loaded.

also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was
wondering if i was looking in the wrong place?  this is the mail program
linus uses, it's quite user friendly, and the only real problems i've run
into with pine were in dealing with the file-locking mechanism used by
slocal, which is something i don't think a lot of people probably use.
comments?

lastly, i live in arizona, USA.  AFAIK, we are the only state that finds
the idea of having to reset our clocks twice a year rediculous (we don't
go on daylight savings time).  but the debian installation tree doesn't
have a timezone for us.  there's Pacific and Mountain, but no Arizona.  so
twice a year, everyone from Arizona will be an hour off when the system
setup automagically resets our clocks for daylight savings time.

basically, we are just mountain time but we don't use daylight savings
time.

other than the above, i was quite impressed with the install, it looks
sharp, was really simple, and i think i'll be quite happy with it.

keep up the good work!

jeff
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drivers for most hardware.  because one terminal or process is never enough.
    forget the other O/Ss, i use Linux- the choice of a gnu generation.


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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Jeffery S. Coy Jr. wrote:

> also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was

Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
non-free section :-(

Luck,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Martin Konold wrote:

> Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 

I'm well aware of the mirror traffic I cause with moving files.  But
with the new organization I'm advocating, this won't be a problem for
future releases.  We'll just have to suffer this once.


Guy

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Martin Konold wrote:

> Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 

I'm well aware of the mirror traffic I cause with moving files.  But
with the new organization I'm advocating, this won't be a problem for
future releases.  We'll just have to suffer this once.


Guy

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:
> > Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 
> I'm well aware of the mirror traffic I cause with moving files.  But
> with the new organization I'm advocating, this won't be a problem for
> future releases.  We'll just have to suffer this once.

Dear Guy,

I really do understand your point. It was not the best to be forced to 
copy everything from unstable to buzz. It would have been a much smaller 
problem creating a new 1.2-unstable directory.
So using links in order to point to the directories is the right way to 
go.
It is not a big hit on mirrors to catch up with changing links.

But please refrain from doing so before 1.1 hits the shelves!
IMHO it is too late for this release. Do better for 1.2.
A lot of people are waiting for 1.1 desperately.
(Debian 1.1 will be the first distribution with Linux 2.0.0)

Things will calm down 2 or 3 weeks after release.
Then you can make your changes and nobody will moan.

Please remember that there are places for whom it is really very hard to 
keep their mirrors in sync. Also ftp.debian.org will not be able to 
handle all this traffic.
I just tried it myself today.
Even with our 34MBit Internet connection I could not establish a stable 
ftp connection to ftp.debian.org.

YOurs,
martin

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:
> > Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 
> I'm well aware of the mirror traffic I cause with moving files.  But
> with the new organization I'm advocating, this won't be a problem for
> future releases.  We'll just have to suffer this once.

Dear Guy,

I really do understand your point. It was not the best to be forced to 
copy everything from unstable to buzz. It would have been a much smaller 
problem creating a new 1.2-unstable directory.
So using links in order to point to the directories is the right way to 
go.
It is not a big hit on mirrors to catch up with changing links.

But please refrain from doing so before 1.1 hits the shelves!
IMHO it is too late for this release. Do better for 1.2.
A lot of people are waiting for 1.1 desperately.
(Debian 1.1 will be the first distribution with Linux 2.0.0)

Things will calm down 2 or 3 weeks after release.
Then you can make your changes and nobody will moan.

Please remember that there are places for whom it is really very hard to 
keep their mirrors in sync. Also ftp.debian.org will not be able to 
handle all this traffic.
I just tried it myself today.
Even with our 34MBit Internet connection I could not establish a stable 
ftp connection to ftp.debian.org.

YOurs,
martin

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> > also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was

> Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
> non-free section :-(

what about including the older, free, version as a package?

rick

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> 
> > > also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was
> 
> > Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
> > non-free section :-(
> 
> what about including the older, free, version as a package?
> 

no, please don't afflict people with pine v3.91.  3.93 is _so_ much nicer
there is just no comparison.  a pine.README would be nice as a pointer
(sort of like you are doing for kermit)  :^)

jeff
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> > Why are there always utilities to do this?
> > 
> > What would happen if I wrote a simple program to output the file in volumes
> > of a certain size, and then used "cat" to stick em end to end?
> 
> that works.  I had to do this a few times.

I actually have a similar problem myself...


I would like to back up by debian system with my non-linux-compatible tape
drive.  My theory is that I can dump it in say 20 MB volumes to a file on a
DOS partition, and use dos to throw it onto the tape.  The tape can hold
about 400 MB  --> the size limit will come from how much space I can free in
my Win95 partition which is only 100 megs and is nearly full.

I have read the manpage for afia -- it supports volumes.  Is there any way I
can tell it to output only "volume 3" once and next time only "volume 4"?
I am thinking I should have it dump to a symlink and make the symlink point
to /dev/null for all but the volume I want each time... is this feasible?

Is there a better way?

(Of course the _right_ way would be to write a driver for my tape drive.)

(I expect to mount my system readonly to do this, but I could mount a
ramdisk to hold the symlink... still a pita probably.)

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Martin Konold wrote:

> Things will calm down 2 or 3 weeks after release.
> Then you can make your changes and nobody will moan.

Yes, I think that's what I'll do.


Guy

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Martin Konold wrote:

> Things will calm down 2 or 3 weeks after release.
> Then you can make your changes and nobody will moan.

Yes, I think that's what I'll do.


Guy

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 David_Oswald@prenhall.com wrote:

>      use a cable to transfer the files to the laptop from the machine with 
>      the cdrom. Dont forget to use a proper cable setup...
>      
>      It'll save your ass a ton-o-time. and you wont have to be splitting 
>      files across floppies.
>      
>      I use xtgold's "xtlink" which works great...
>      
>      BUT - if you dont have xtlink...
>      
>      MS-DOG provides the software called "interlnk", which does the same 
>      thing - more or less.
(clip)

The linux kernel has PLIP (parallel line ip) which can do this once you get
a base system installed... look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation or in the
/usr/doc/HOWTO/PLIP-HOWTO (names may be garbled)... you need a laplink cable
and possibly a version 2 kernel on both ends.

This will provide an IP connection I believe ... you could then NFS mount or
FTP the stuff across.  If you NFS mount you can just install from those
directories... *warning* but I haven't tried any of these things.


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> > You have to install dpkg-ftp.

> After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental

which mirror did you find this on?  i just tried caldera, and it's not
there.  I've accidentally removed it from one of my machines, and am
trying to move the files from the other . . . 

rick

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> > > also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was
> 
> > Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
> > non-free section :-(
> 
> what about including the older, free, version as a package?
> 
As I understand it, there can not be two versions of the same package in
the same archive.
Also, the non-free section IS part of the archive. You are perfectly free
to use any of the packages there.
WRT Pine, you may freely use it, and can even put it on CD, if you get
permission from Pine, which they say they will give. It is the permission
requirement that restricts distribution freedom, thus putting the product
into non-free.
You are completely free to use the Pine package in non-free (or any other
packages found there). It is only the distribution of these package that
is not free. Check the copyright in all cases if you want to put them on a
cd or something.

Enjoy,

Dwarf

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i'm having rcp problems with nfs.  unfortuneately, i have now idea what
rcp is.

ONe of the machines gets a response of 

# /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs start
Starting remote filesystem services: nfsd mountd ugidd pcnfsd bwnfsd
rpc: RPC: U
nable to receive; errno = Connection refused


while starting ( i tried manually doing it).  however, it happily mounts
the other--manually, not automatically.  i have the following fstab: 

 <file system>     <mount point>   <type>  <options>   <dump>  <pass>
/dev/hda2               /               ext2    defaults    0       1
/dev/hda1               none            swap    sw          0       0
proc                  /proc             proc    defaults    0       0
/dev/hdb1             /usr              ext2    defaults    0       2
pc3138.econ:/      /pc3138.econ         nfs     defaults    0       3

but i have to manually mount.

i can't mount the other direction, though:

# mount -t nfs pc3140.econ:/ /pc3140.econ/
rpc mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused

both are mountable by ALL: .iastate.edu in hosts.allow.

help ! :)

rick

more particularly, what does this rpc stuff mean:

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Hello again,

Firstly thank you to all those that responded to my first question.  
Hopefully this one will not be as trivial.

On the Windows NT network, I am trying to connect to another machine.  
Using the Windows Fro Workgroups there is a terminal emulation/connection 
software called SmarTerm that uses a LAT protocal to connect to the other 
machine through the Windows NT net.  I know the address of the other 
machine and it seems to absorb all my pings and telnet doesn't work 
either.  I can't find anything in the network software that says anything 
about this sort of protocal.  Does anyone know any linux software that 
will allow me to connect in this way?

Thanking you in advance,

Craig

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I'm rather new to Debian, so this may seem trivial.  It certainly is
frustrating.  I was in an X session and wanted to switch to another console.
I figured out that Ctrl+Alt+Fn will work.  However, I can't switch back.
'who' says that I am using the ttyp0 console.  How do I switch to it?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks In Advance,

israel@execpc.com

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Is it possible to start an X session from the shell?
Also, does X allow multiple sessions at once?

Thanks In Advance,

israel@execpc.com

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Noam Rettig wrote:

> I'm rather new to Debian, so this may seem trivial.  It certainly is
> frustrating.  I was in an X session and wanted to switch to another console.
> I figured out that Ctrl+Alt+Fn will work.  However, I can't switch back.
> 'who' says that I am using the ttyp0 console.  How do I switch to it?

>From console mode, Alt+F7 returns you to your X session.

Cheers.  Syrus.


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HELP!  I just upgraded to Debian 1.1 from .93.  Now whenever I try to
run anything that requires any terminal capabilities, I get something
like "xterm: unable to find usable termcap entry", or "Terminal type
vt100 is unknown".  I have ncurses-base-1.9.9e-1,
ncurses-bin-1.9.9e-1, and ncurses3.0-1.9.9e-1 all successfully
installed.  Strangely, I had an /etc/termcap file which belonged to no
installed package (by running dpkg -S /etc/termcap) on the system.
Does anyone have any idea what might have gone wrong?

Thanks,

Gerry


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Kevin - 

That'd work; I had this grim problem.  If fact (beware: tale of
hardship :-)  to install most of my Debian system, I had to sneakernet
the .deb files via msdos floppies from a _Mac_ with net access, and
which could only fit ~850K on the disks.  So, I ran 'split' on them on
my unix ISP first, and ultimately catted them back together under Linux.
This reminds me of what Dr. McCoy accused the transporter of doing to his
molecules.

Second topic: I've been swamped lately, and haven't thanked you for
some of your help messages; I've really appreciated them.

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com

p.s.  Now that I've gone online to mail this, I see other answers, but,
gots to thank you anyway ;-)

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> Is it possible to start an X session from the shell?

yes.  type "startx" at the command line, as any user, and the machine is
transformed.  you can end with alt-ctl-backspace.

> Also, does X allow multiple sessions at once?

what do you mean by this.  you can have multiple windows open.  type
"xterm &" to launch an extra xterm, for example.  Or you can log in from
another x-capable machine and open windows.

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> 
> > Is it possible to start an X session from the shell?
> 
> yes.  type "startx" at the command line, as any user, and the machine is
> transformed.  you can end with alt-ctl-backspace.
> 
> > Also, does X allow multiple sessions at once?
> 
> what do you mean by this.  you can have multiple windows open.  type
> "xterm &" to launch an extra xterm, for example.  Or you can log in from
> another x-capable machine and open windows.
> 
Or, if you are desparate and foolish enough (and have a lot of memory), 
you -can- run multiple X servers on different virtual consoles.  I've 
done this in the past.  I don't recommend it.

I have also seen multiple simultaneous X servers running on a MkLinux 
machine.  Unfortunately, the current version of MkLinux for PowerPC ony 
supports one console (not even serial support yet), so it made the 
machine a bit unusable and forced a reboot.

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> HELP!  I just upgraded to Debian 1.1 from .93.  Now whenever I try to
> run anything that requires any terminal capabilities, I get something
> like "xterm: unable to find usable termcap entry", or "Terminal type
> vt100 is unknown".  I have ncurses-base-1.9.9e-1,
> ncurses-bin-1.9.9e-1, and ncurses3.0-1.9.9e-1 all successfully
> installed.

I solved my problem, but I still don't know the cause.  Re-installing the
above 3 packages restored my terminal capabilities.  This is strange
because it had shown that they were all successfully installed before.  I
also installed libc4, libc5-dev and ncurses-developer before re-installing
the packages which may have had some effect (but probably not).

>  Strangely, I had an /etc/termcap file which belonged to no
> installed package (by running dpkg -S /etc/termcap) on the system.

Still don't know where this termcap file comes from.  It's also on my
Debian system at home and also belongs to no installed package.

Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net

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I love the kernel-package thing; but the other day I used it to install a
kernel and the vmlinuz.old kernel was not in boot (I deleted it
accidentally).

The system would not boot -- may I humbly suggest that the install process
for the generated package checks if "lilo" returns an error and throws a
warning if it does?

(I'm thinking of the equiv. of "lilo (options) || echo Warning! blah blah")

and/or could LILO be run in "verbose" mode?

I suggest this because it would have saved me a lot of time.. 

In other words: (please idiot proof this for my benefit :) )

Thanks,

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	Here's a message I sent to debian@debian.org, before I discovered 
and signed on to this list.  Has anyone else encountered this?  If yes, 
what was your solution?  Thanks.

// Begin Forwarded Message:
	I'm working on an installation of 1.11, specifically the 1996_6_11
version.  I'm using 1.11 because of the ftp-install option; my machine 
doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, nor do I have access to NFS servers, and I'd 
prefer to install from floppy if at all possible.  (I did a "test" install 
of 0.93r6 yesterday, and didn't see this option there.)
	When trying to choose the ftp installation method in dselect, I 
received the following Perl-related errors:

Can't locate Carp.pm in @INC at /usr/lib/perl5/vars.pm  line 21.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/vars.pm  line 21.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/Socket.pm  line 3.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
	/usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/perl/Net/ftp.pm  line 41.  //line wrapped
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup line 8.

query/setup script returned error exit status 2.
// End Forwarded Message

	Is this something that using the 1996_6_2 version of 1.11 will 
correct? 
	Also, does anyone know if (ie, has it been announced that) the 2.0
kernel be incorporated into 1.11, or will 1.11 be promoted to gamma status
essentially "as is" with 2.0 being placed in a later distribution?

	I did a basic install last night with 0.93r6, but I didn't care
when it blew up on the reboot because I had to give the laptop back anyhow.
If LILO was included in 0.93r6, I missed it; if not, having it is a big
plus for 1.11.  I REALLY like the incorporation of the TCP/IP config being
placed in the basic installation configuration; I've done TCP/IP configs by
hand using Slackware and on SunOS (and MacOS and Win95 and Windows-Winsock
and MS-DOS and ...) but it was nice that its inclusion into the install-
config meant I didn't have to.  Nice touch!


David winters+@pitt.edu
http://www.pitt.edu/~winters/
http://www.pitt.edu/~dcwst8/

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Rick Hawkins said:
> > > You have to install dpkg-ftp.
> 
> > After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental
> 
> which mirror did you find this on?  i just tried caldera, and it's not
> there.  I've accidentally removed it from one of my machines, and am
> trying to move the files from the other . . . 

I found it on ftp.debian.org:/debian/project/experimental/dpkg-ftp*

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hello,

i havew an old 386dx pc and i was thinking about learning about http 
servers, it has 4mb of ram and iwas wondering if it would be possible to 
use this a a learning platform?

allan

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David Gaudine writes:
>    > >   psfonts
> 
>    There's gsfonts, fonts for ghostscript.  Is that what you mean?
> 
> I got some sort of "can't find psfonts" error, I forget the details,
> when I was using a bad copy of one of the package in the tex directory.
> I can't check the name of the package now, something like psnfs(?)
> I asked here, and someone told me to get the psnfs(?) package from the
> stable directory instead of unstable, and everything worked.  I never did
> figure out why.  However, it did seem that dselect went looking for a
> package called psfonts when it really wanted psnfs(?)
> 
> Sorry to be so vague, but a vague answer is better than no answer.  Sometimes.

The correct name is texpsfnt. And the latest dvips does recommend it instead
of psfonts. So you'll never again should see that.

Michael

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Hi Rick,

> ONe of the machines gets a response of 
> 
> # /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs start
> Starting remote filesystem services: nfsd mountd ugidd pcnfsd bwnfsd
> rpc: RPC: U
> nable to receive; errno = Connection refused

Is your rpc.portmap running? It should be started from /etc/init.d/netbase.

> while starting ( i tried manually doing it).  however, it happily mounts
> the other--manually, not automatically.  i have the following fstab: 

These daemons are needed for exporting a FS.

> i can't mount the other direction, though:

That's it.

Michael

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:
> As I understand it, there can not be two versions of the same package in
> the same archive.

Ok, how about the same solution Debian uses for gnu gs versa Alladin gs?

Yours,
martin

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Noam Rettig wrote:

> I'm rather new to Debian, so this may seem trivial.  It certainly is
> frustrating.  I was in an X session and wanted to switch to another console.
> I figured out that Ctrl+Alt+Fn will work.  However, I can't switch back.
> 'who' says that I am using the ttyp0 console.  How do I switch to it?
> 
Try the first VC above the assigned ones. For Debian this is F7.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I have installed the new 1.1 and everything went fine except for the 
majordomo package. I get 

Failed to create group majordom:
adduser: the user you specified already exist

when I try to run dpkg --install with the majordomo.deb file. 

All in all I am very pleased with the new Debian. Thanks alot for all the 
developers.

Juhani

.signature ????? did you really expect a .signature?  Sheesh.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Buddha Buck wrote:

> Or, if you are desparate and foolish enough (and have a lot of memory), 
> you -can- run multiple X servers on different virtual consoles.  I've 
> done this in the past.  I don't recommend it.

I run multiple X servers (at different bit depths) on different
consoles all the time, and it works great.  I have 32 megs, but the
other X server gets totally swapped out.

BTW, if you want to do this, there's a small bug in xinit.  If you
start the second server as 'xinit', it'll get started on :1.0, but
$DISPLAY is still set to ':0.0' in .xinitrc.  If you start it as 'xinit
-- :1.0', it's ok.


Guy

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:

> Still don't know where this termcap file comes from.  It's also on my
> Debian system at home and also belongs to no installed package.

It was a conffile of 0.93r6 base.  It's not used by any package, and
it's safe to delete it.  If you need termcap compatibility for old
non-debian programs, install the termcap-compat package, which includes
libtermcap and a better /etc/termcap.


Guy

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   Dear Debianists:

   While we're on the subject, does anyone have any suggestions as to
why ctl-alt-bs might not kill X?

   I was running a 0.93R6 system, started X with xdm from a (non-root,
I think) command line, but could't get out as advertised.  I tried both
the backspace key above the return, and ctl-alt-H (just in case ctl-H
might have something to do with it).  I ended up doing ctl-alt-Fx to a
virtual terminal, ps to find X's pid, then killing that.

   Any thoughts welcome.


		Thanks in advance,

				Max Hyre

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   Dear Debianites:

   Let me clarify my previous post... (I just thought to go back and
try it for accuracy---maybe next time I'll think to do so *before*
posting :-).)

> why ctl-alt-bs might not kill X?

   Rather, ``why X comes right back after dying''?  After ctl-alt-bs,
X does indeed appear to die---everything goes black, I see the virtual
terminal from which I started xdm momentarily, then I'm back in X
again.

> (non-root, I think)

   I thunk wrong---it was from a root command prompt, and I had to
start another root command prompt to kill it as outlined previously.


   Again, thanks for your help.


			    Sincerely,

				    Max Hyre

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I tried a fresh install of 1.1 Beta using the 11 June 1996 disks.

The installation disks worked quite well, including modules configuration.
The core dump in configuring the net/ modules is indeed gone.  My
/etc/modules file is also now properly populated with the modules I selected.
Good job.  Thanks.

My remaining complaints are two-fold:

1.  My PS/2 mouse no longer works.  I'll try to track this down today.

2.  Several packages in the buzz/ directory probably ought to be updated.
    In particular, I find dselect-1.2.6 much nicer than 1.2.3.  Less 
    important, but more jarring, is that the system is installed with
    kernel 2.0.0, but all the devel/ stuff is still 1.99.7.


   


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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Max Hyre wrote:

>    Rather, ``why X comes right back after dying''?  After ctl-alt-bs,
> X does indeed appear to die---everything goes black, I see the virtual
> terminal from which I started xdm momentarily, then I'm back in X
> again.

Well, that's exactly what xdm is intended for.  xdm tries to keep an 
xserver running permanently, so that you can always login to the system 
using a nice graphical login prompt dialog box.  In general, the purpose 
of xdm is to keep the machine running X all the time, and that's what 
it is doing now in your machine.

If you want to run X only from time to time, just say startx from your
usual text shell.  That way, you'll get a normal X session, that you'll be
able to finish with ctrl+alt+backspace, or better, stopping your window 
manager (or whatever other program you have at the end of your .xinitrc 
file). 

Regards,

M. S.
------------
Martin A. Soto J.                           Profesor
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>    Dear Debianites:
> 
>    Let me clarify my previous post... (I just thought to go back and
> try it for accuracy---maybe next time I'll think to do so *before*
> posting :-).)
> 
> > why ctl-alt-bs might not kill X?
> 
>    Rather, ``why X comes right back after dying''?  After ctl-alt-bs,
> X does indeed appear to die---everything goes black, I see the virtual
> terminal from which I started xdm momentarily, then I'm back in X
> again.
> 
I think that the problem is that xdm re-launches the server when it is brought
down by ctrl-alt-bksp. It is xdm that is running the server. This means that X
is indeed being brought down only to be re-launched again.

AFAIK, to kill xdm you just need to run /etc/init.d/xdm stop as root. 

Hope this helps!
Luis.

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Any ideas why there is still a tin package in the 'contrib' dir, when there is
already one in buzz/binary/news?

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   Dear readers:

   Thanks for the info!

   Martin Alonso Soto Jacome's <masoto@uniandes.edu.co> answer got to
me first:

> Well, that's exactly what xdm is intended for.  xdm tries to keep an 
> xserver running permanently, so that you can always login to the system 
> using a nice graphical login prompt dialog box.

  ``Oh'', he said in a quiet voice.  (I've just started using X under
Linux, and hadn't grasped the differences between startx and xdm.)

   At the time I was tweaking the ModeLines to get the display size
best suited to the screen, and thus was starting and killing X
constantly.  Next time, I'll just use startx, and save myself some
hassle.

   Thanks in arrears, too.

			    Sincerely,

				Max Hyre

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The Packages file for 'buzz' still references all packages to the 'unstable'
directory. Is this a bug?

-- 
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Buddha Buck wrote:
> 
> >
> > > Is it possible to start an X session from the shell?
> >
> > yes.  type "startx" at the command line, as any user, and the machine is
> > transformed.  you can end with alt-ctl-backspace.
> >
> > > Also, does X allow multiple sessions at once?
> >
> > what do you mean by this.  you can have multiple windows open.  type
> > "xterm &" to launch an extra xterm, for example.  Or you can log in from
> > another x-capable machine and open windows.
> >
> Or, if you are desparate and foolish enough (and have a lot of memory),
> you -can- run multiple X servers on different virtual consoles.  I've
> done this in the past.  I don't recommend it.
> 

The command I use to do this is:

X :1.0 -query <hostname>

For even more replace :1.0 with :2.0 etc.

I've used it occasionally so that I can don't have to reconfigure my machine
(which boots into X) to run an X session on a remote machine as well as a
session on my local machine.

I hope this helps.

Chris

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Andy Dougherty wrote:
> 
> I tried a fresh install of 1.1 Beta using the 11 June 1996 disks.
> 
> The installation disks worked quite well, including modules configuration.
> The core dump in configuring the net/ modules is indeed gone.  My
> /etc/modules file is also now properly populated with the modules I selected.
> Good job.  Thanks.
> 
> My remaining complaints are two-fold:
> 
> 1.  My PS/2 mouse no longer works.  I'll try to track this down today.

Try compiling the kernel with PS/2 mouse support in the kernel, rather than
as a module. I can't use the kernel-image-1.99.7 for this reason, as lack of
mouse support seems to cause X to hang the computer. I've reported this
(Bug#3265), and if you can throw more light on it, I'm sure it would be
welcome. I'm beginning to wonder whether this problem is a kernel bug.

Chris

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Rick Hawkins writes:
 > 
 > one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
 > .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?
 > 

When one uses xdm, the .xsession file is used instead. You can just have
one that looks like:

	#! /bin/sh

	sh $HOME/.xinitrc

(the 'sh' should not been necessary, but does no harm...).

Yves.

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Yves Arrouye <arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> writes:

> When one uses xdm, the .xsession file is used instead. You can just have
> one that looks like:
> 
> 	#! /bin/sh
> 
> 	sh $HOME/.xinitrc

Or just

ln -s .xinitrc .xsession

which has worked fine for me.

I do the same for .Xdefaults -> .Xresources, although someone
recently told me that that they weren't so sure about that, but it
seems to work...

--
Rob

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote:

> The Packages file for 'buzz' still references all packages to the 'unstable'
> directory. Is this a bug?

Being fixed.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote:

> Any ideas why there is still a tin package in the 'contrib' dir, when there is
> already one in buzz/binary/news?

Fixed.  Thanks.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Chris Walker wrote:

> Andy Dougherty wrote:
> > 
> > I tried a fresh install of 1.1 Beta using the 11 June 1996 disks.
> > 
> > 1.  My PS/2 mouse no longer works.  I'll try to track this down today.
> 
> Try compiling the kernel with PS/2 mouse support in the kernel, rather than
> as a module.

The problem is that the psaux module wasn't available on the 11 June 
installation disks (unless I goofed up somewhere in the installation).

In my case, the fix was simple, if rather long-winded. I obtained the
kernel 2.0.0.tar.gz sources, configured, built, and installed a new kernel
with PS/2 mouse support using the nifty kernel-package package (from
project/experimental). 

Back to the installation issue . . . is there room on the root diskette 
to include the psaux module?  I doubt I'm the only Debian user with a 
PS/2-style mouse.  That one only thing I needed to add.

    Andy Dougherty		doughera@lafcol.lafayette.edu
    Dept. of Physics
    Lafayette College, Easton PA 18042

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Subject: Re: 1.1 Beta Install (11 June 1996 disks)
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Chris Walker said:
> Andy Dougherty wrote:
> > 1.  My PS/2 mouse no longer works.  I'll try to track this down today.
> 
> Try compiling the kernel with PS/2 mouse support in the kernel, rather than
> as a module. I can't use the kernel-image-1.99.7 for this reason, as lack of
> mouse support seems to cause X to hang the computer. I've reported this
> (Bug#3265), and if you can throw more light on it, I'm sure it would be
> welcome. I'm beginning to wonder whether this problem is a kernel bug.

I am using kernel 2.0, and I have the ps/2 mouse compiled as a module. It
works just fine. When I start X, a module 'misc' is loaded, which seems to be
a pre-depend for the psaux module.

-- 
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>> Andy Dougherty wrote:
>> 1.  My PS/2 mouse no longer works.  I'll try to track this down >>today.

If you cannot find psaux.o and misc.o in /lib/modules/misc/ , then
you probably have to build them yourself. If you have them, then
add the line 'psaux.o' to your /etc/modules file.

This is my problem too, and I have been building my own kernel since
the first debian beta release. Is there still no psaux.o distributed
in any of the kernel or module packages? What is the debian strategy
on providing modules that are not compiled into the kernel?

My system is a Dell XPS which I don't think is so uncommon, and
it came with a PS2 mouse. So please please please include psaux support
as a module in the kernel-image packages.

--Derek Lee

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Yves Arrouye wrote:
: 
: Rick Hawkins writes:
:  > one more, probably minor thing:  with it set up for xdm, it ignores the
:  > .xinitrc file in my home directory.  am i missing something obvious?
: 
: When one uses xdm, the .xsession file is used instead. You can just have
: one that looks like:
: 
: 	#! /bin/sh
: 
: 	sh $HOME/.xinitrc
: (the 'sh' should not been necessary, but does no harm...).

On my system there is a link:

/home/bmt/heiko/.xinitrc -> .xsession

And .xsession is:
#############################################
#!/bin/bash -login
# xmodmap /usr/lib/X11/etc/de-hacker.xmod
export TERM=xterm
xclock -chime -geometry 100x100-0+0 &
xclipboard -geometry 310x52--4+259 &
xload -geometry 100x63-0+116 &
xterm -geometry 80x24+10+50 -sb -ls -font 7x14 -bg gray -name $(hostname)&
exec fvwm &
xbiff -geometry 100x45-0+195


Heiko
public pgp : finger heiko@sax.sax.de
fingerprint: A1 7D F6 7B 69 73 48 35  E1 DE 21 A7 A8 9A 77 92 

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Derek Lee wrote:

> My system is a Dell XPS which I don't think is so uncommon, and
> it came with a PS2 mouse. So please please please include psaux support
> as a module in the kernel-image packages.

This is a 'me-too' message. Gateway 2000 computers also come with a PS2
mouse...

   Christian


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Hi there,
  It's my understanding that this LAT is sort of like a Chat setup. If =
you want to connect to an NT network, I would suggest using the Simba =
package. There is=20
a real good article on it in this months Linux Journal. I'm no Expert on =
this, but it sounds like the way to go to me.

Yours,
Dick Sudbury
dickaj7n@ix.netcom.com

----------
Craig Harmon Craig Harmon[SMTP:charmon@skid.ps.uci.edu] writes:
<Stuff deleted>

On the Windows NT network, I am trying to connect to another machine. =20
Using the Windows Fro Workgroups there is a terminal =
emulation/connection=20
software called SmarTerm that uses a LAT protocal to connect to the =
other=20
machine through the Windows NT net.  I know the address of the other=20
machine and it seems to absorb all my pings and telnet doesn't work=20
either.  I can't find anything in the network software that says =
anything=20
about this sort of protocal.  Does anyone know any linux software that=20
will allow me to connect in this way?

Thanking you in advance,

Craig




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I added 5 more perl files, and the next boot floppy set should run dpkg-ftp
correctly.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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> In particular, I find dselect-1.2.6 much nicer than 1.2.3.

I moved it into "buzz" just now.

> Less important, but more jarring, is that the system is installed with
> kernel 2.0.0, but all the devel/ stuff is still 1.99.7.

If Simon doesn't do a 2.0 package in time, I will upload one - I built my
own for the boot floppies.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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> The Packages file for 'buzz' still references all packages to the 'unstable'
> directory. Is this a bug?

It got better.

	Bruce

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> I would suggest using the Simba package.

That's "samba". There's also "smbfs". Samba provides file and printer
services, and a printer client to systems that run the Lan Manager protocol
over TCP/IP, which is what NT and Windows 95 use for their native network.
"smbfs" makes the Linux system a client of a Lan Manager file server.

My wife runs Window 95 on her system, and my system serves files to it via
Samba and sends print jobs to the printer on her system. This works extremely
well, and has done so for more than a year.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hi,

I notice that the debian packages install man pages without
compression.  If I would like to gzip all my man pages to save space,
is there some way ask the install scripts to do so? I cannot just go
in and gzip all the files in my /usr/man directories because:

(1) If all my man pages have .gz suffices, then they won't be
overwritten when I upgrade packages.

(2) There are symbolic links which assume that the man pages are not
compressed.

--Derek Lee

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Derek Lee <dkklee@mit.edu> writes:

> is there some way ask the install scripts to do so? I cannot just go

This issue has been discussed, but not resolved.  It was decided to
wait until after the 1.1 release to deal with it.  For now you would
probably be better off to try and just live with the uncompressed
pages.  Compressing them yourself would, as you accurately surmised,
probably cause more problems than it solves.

--
Rob

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I think the last time we discussed this on the mailing lists, we
decided that there was no problem with compressed man page source.
The decompressor runs quickly, the man browsers all understand .gz
files, etc. I think that it's OK for packages to start installing
compressed man pages.

	Bruce

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> I can't quite get nfs going for some reason.  I had it going quickly
> under the 1.2 kernel (i have 2 machines sitting here).
>
> I uncommented everything in /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs.  I added / to
> exports.  I added ALL: .iastate.edu to hosts.allow.
>
> ANd the two machines give me different errors . . .
>
> trying to mount from one,
>
> # mount -t nfs 129.186.31.38:/ /server/ mount
> clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered

I saw something very much like this on my home network after upgrading
all my linux machines to debian 1.1.

Even though I had an "ALL: .taz.net.au" in my /etc/hosts.allow, it still
didn't work until I fixed it by putting

portmap: 192.88.6.32/255.255.255.224

in /etc/hosts.allow (this specifies my class c subnet)


This is actually documented in /usr/doc/net/portmapper.doc.gz.  Here's
the relevant text (but read that file for full details of what's going
on!):

    By default, host access control is enabled. However, the host that
    runs the portmapper is always considered authorized. The host access
    control tables are never consulted with requests from the local
    system itself; they are always consulted with requests from other
    hosts.

    In order to avoid deadlocks, the portmap program does not attempt to
    look up the remote host name or user name, nor will it try to match
    NIS netgroups. The upshot of all this is that only network number
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    patterns will work for portmap access control.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Sample entries for the host access-control files are:

        /etc/hosts.allow:
        portmap: your.sub.net.number/your.sub.net.mask
        portmap: 255.255.255.255 0.0.0.0

        /etc/hosts.deny
        portmap: ALL: (/some/where/safe_finger -l @%h | mail root) &



> THe other (the .38 machine)  reports during boot that 
> /etc/init.d/rc: /etc/rc2.d/S25netstd_nfs: permission denied.

it's probably not executable. check the permissions on the file
(remember that /etc/rc2.d/S25netstd_nfs should be a symlink to
/etc/init.d/netstd_nfs ... check the perms on the file, not the link)

Craig

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Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> write:
|I created my own .xsession, but still got an xterm.  It seems that
|_both_ /etc/X11/Xsession and ~/.xsession get run - is this right?
|Does this mean that the only way to stop the xterm automatically
|coming up is to edit /etc/X11/Xsession?

Not so.

/etc/X11/Xsession should run xterm (and attempt to run window managers
mentioned in /etc/X11/window-managers only if .xsession doesn't exist
_or isn't executable_ (look at lines 70-72 at /etc/X11/Xsession) OR
/etc/X11/config doesn't have a line which begins with
"allow-user-xsession" (which must be the default).

I'd suspect you forgot to make your .xsession excutable ("chmod +x
~/.xsession")

Cheers,

--Amos

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this may seem silly, but i haven't had a working nethack since law
school . . .

Is there a way to open the chests other than kicking them?  would this
stop the potions from shattering?

if i recompile, can i add monsters?  or is there already a graduate
students version out there with assorted undergraduates & professors as
monster?  (oh, no!  the deparment secretary! :)

rick

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In message <199606151206.AA08173@adam.ist.flinders.edu.au> you write:
|I wrote:
|>Is it true that there is not manual entry for dpkg or dselect?!
|>
|>My system doesn't think there is.

dpkg doesn't have a manual page.  instead it has a page inviting people
to write one.

|
|Come to think of it, my system doesn't think there are ANY manual
|entries!!!
|
|I just tried typing "man man" and this is what happened:
|
|(mark, destiny, ~)> man man
|No manual entry for man
|
|
|Why doesn't man find any man pages?

"dpkg -S /usr/man/man1/man.1" revealed to me that this file belongs to
the "man" package.  Do you have it installed (test with "dpkg -l man")?

Cheers,

--Amos

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133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
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From: Rick Hawkins <rhawkins@iastate.edu>
> this may seem silly, but i haven't had a working nethack since law
> school . . .
> Is there a way to open the chests other than kicking them?  would this
> stop the potions from shattering?
> if i recompile, can i add monsters?  or is there already a graduate
> students version out there with assorted undergraduates & professors as
> monster?  (oh, no!  the deparment secretary! :)

I work for two years to build the system and this is what people use it
for :-)

We could probably use a debian-games mailing list. Anyone want to run one?
Otherwise we'll be having people on debian-user asking about how to get to
the 31st level and kill orcs all of the time :-) .

	Thanks

	Bruce

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> Using the Windows Fro Workgroups there is a terminal emulation/connection 
> software called SmarTerm that uses a LAT protocal to connect to the other 
> machine through the Windows NT net.

Sorry if my previous answer was off-topic. I think I was answering an
answer, not the question.

Use telnet. Hardly anyone uses or supports LAT any longer. It was
designed as a lightweight protocol for DEC terminal servers before they
were powerful enough to execute the telnet or rlogin protocols.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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LAT is a DEC protocol!  There used to be a commercial package available
for unix called SuperLAT that emulated lat over TCP/IP and allowed
incoming LAT conections, but I don't know of anything available for
linux.  I don't think SAMBA has LAT capabilities.  It would be nice
though, telnet and rlogin/rsh send one character at a time over the wire
and LAT sends larger (configureable?) chunks.  Try using another protocol
in the Window$ emulator (like telnet?).

bye ...

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Craig Harmon wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
> Firstly thank you to all those that responded to my first question.  
> Hopefully this one will not be as trivial.
> 
> On the Windows NT network, I am trying to connect to another machine.  
> Using the Windows Fro Workgroups there is a terminal emulation/connection 
> software called SmarTerm that uses a LAT protocal to connect to the other 
> machine through the Windows NT net.  I know the address of the other 
> machine and it seems to absorb all my pings and telnet doesn't work 
> either.  I can't find anything in the network software that says anything 
> about this sort of protocal.  Does anyone know any linux software that 
> will allow me to connect in this way?
> 
> Thanking you in advance,
> 
> Craig
> 

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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> I work for two years to build the system and this is what people use it
> for :-)

Who do you work for :>

Anyway, what else would you do with a computer :> :>

--
Rob

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amos@dsi.co.il (Amos Shapira) writes:

> Got the idea?  Any comments about it?

This kind of thing has been discussed a little, but the discussion was
postponed until after the 1.1 release.

--
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Hello,

I've just upgraded (or tried to upgrade) the rest of my packages to
Debian 1.1. and noticed that sendmail 8.7.5-4 still contains QMAGIC
binaries.

Does anyone know if this is intentional or should I report it as a
bug?

Cheers,

--Amos

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133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
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> By the way, having 7 data bits and 2 stop bits should be equivalent to
> having 8 data bits without parity generation and 1 stop bit.  This is
> because the data bits are sent least significant bit first, and a stop
> bit is the same as a zero data bit.
>  ...
> Steve Preston (spreston@gte.com)

I don't think this is correct -- stop bits are ones.  

-- 
Bill Roman  (roman@songdog.eskimo.com / roman@songdog.uucp)   running linux

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[all kinds of useful info . . . ]

> > THe other (the .38 machine)  reports during boot that 
> > /etc/init.d/rc: /etc/rc2.d/S25netstd_nfs: permission denied.
> 
> it's probably not executable. check the permissions on the file
> (remember that /etc/rc2.d/S25netstd_nfs should be a symlink to
> /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs ... check the perms on the file, not the link)

this was also the case.  there were a handful of files that somehow lost
their execute permissions.

I reinstalled from the latest version of the boot disks, changed the
127.0.0.0 problem, uncommented the daemons, and all was well.

(hmm, how about a utility that runs around the disk, finds these kinds
of parameters, & saves them, so it can fix evil happenings later?  If i
knew enoght, i'd write one . . .)

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Is it true that there is not manual entry for dpkg or dselect?!

My system doesn't think there is.

How do I find out more about dpkg - the /usr/doc directory doesn't
seem to have anything terribly clear.

Mark Phillips. (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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Currently the default pager on my system is 'more'.
I want to change it to 'most'.
How should I do that?

Also, does 'man' use the default system pager.  If not, how do I change it
(I don't want to use the -P command line option every time I use man)?

Thanks for any help,

Noam Rettig
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I have msdos on /dev/hda1 and linux on /dev/hda2.  I know that lilo can be
configured to boot with either one at startup by pressing the TAB key.  How
can I add the DOS image to my startup.

TIA,

Noam Rettig
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I've been thinking of something along these lines, too:

I'm trying to install packages on a machine, but doc & man stuff on a
separate machine as a server.  It isn't working well so far :)

I've had reasonable luck linking /usr/doc and /usr/man pages to the nfs
host, but the predictable bad things happen when i then try to install
packages--all kinds of error messages.

Should i be setting the permissions for /usr/doc & man to  777?

Also, there are some programs that i want to leave on the server--man,
info, gcc and the like for those that don't have room for it locally,
etc.

I just don't quite understand the proper configuration for these, and
how /bin/local interacts, etc.  can someone straighten me out?

(yes, i know that the solution is big disks, but this is to convert old
machines that the department woudl otherwise lose.  

(and yes, we're blessed :)  our old machines are 486/33's . . . I'm not
sure there are any 386's left in front line use here . . .)

(but they only have 80mb drives, though they'll frequently get a second
. . .)

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  Noam Rettig writes:
  Noam>  Currently the default pager on my system is 'more'.  I want to
  Noam> change it to 'most'.  How should I do that?

Add this line to /etc/profile (or ~/.bash_profile)

export PAGER=most

--
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  Noam Rettig writes:
  Noam>  I have msdos on /dev/hda1 and linux on /dev/hda2.  I know that lilo
  Noam> can be configured to boot with either one at startup by pressing the
  Noam> TAB key.  How can I add the DOS image to my startup.

You have to read the LILO documentation in /usr/doc/lilo, or in a decent book
as "Running Linux". If you are _really_ lost, email me in private.

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I wrote:
>Is it true that there is not manual entry for dpkg or dselect?!
>
>My system doesn't think there is.

Come to think of it, my system doesn't think there are ANY manual
entries!!!

I just tried typing "man man" and this is what happened:

(mark, destiny, ~)> man man
No manual entry for man


Why doesn't man find any man pages?

Mark Phillips. (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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Hello,

I wander if there is any work being done to make Debian packages
easier to manage and to fine-tune.

What I'm thinking about is something like SGI's "inst" tool.

SGI's tool provides, for each package (e.g. X11) a list of sub-packages
which may be selected from it, things like:

x11.motif.man
x11.motif.lib
x11.motif.extra

And applying an example to the debian environment:

perl5.base.man
perl5.base.bin
perl5.modules.www.man
perl5.modules.www.bin

xntp.server.bin
xntp.server.man
xntp.doc
xntp.client.bin
xntp.client.man

Got the idea?  Any comments about it?

Cheers,

--Amos

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Kevin M Bealer wrote:

> I love the kernel-package thing; but the other day I used it to
> install a kernel and the vmlinuz.old kernel was not in boot (I deleted
> it accidentally).
>
> The system would not boot -- may I humbly suggest that the install
> process for the generated package checks if "lilo" returns an error
> and throws a warning if it does?
>
> (I'm thinking of the equiv. of "lilo (options) || echo Warning! blah
> blah")
>
> and/or could LILO be run in "verbose" mode?
>
> I suggest this because it would have saved me a lot of time..
>
> In other words: (please idiot proof this for my benefit :) )

Before I switched to using the kernel package scripts I had my own
'makelinux' and 'addlilo' scripts which performed a similar function.

addlilo added an appropriate entry to the end of /etc/lilo.conf and then
ran:

    lilo -t && lilo

i.e. 'lilo -t' tests the lilo config.  if it's OK then lilo is run.

maybe something like this (but expanded to provide useful warning/error
information) should be done in the debian kernel package script?

Craig

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> >    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
> > possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
> > is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
> > md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
> > i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.
> 
> But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
> like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
> can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
> want to change the order.

You don't need to play with the S files to get kerneld started early.  Take
a look in /etc/modules... If you put "auto" on a line then kerneld will be
started right after the root filesystem has been fsck'ed and remounted
read-write. (i.e. before other fs are mounted, etc.)

    Christian

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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> >    kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
> > possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
> > is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
> > md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
> > i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.
> 
> But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
> like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
> can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
> want to change the order.

You don't need to play with the S files to get kerneld started early.  Take
a look in /etc/modules... If you put "auto" on a line then kerneld will be
started right after the root filesystem has been fsck'ed and remounted
read-write. (i.e. before other fs are mounted, etc.)

    Christian

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> Is there a way to open the chests other than kicking them?  would this
> stop the potions from shattering?

This is the wrong forum, but you can use a skeleton key or credit card.

There are many references for this game on the net such as the nethack
home page: http://www.win.tue.nl/games/roguelike/nethack/.  One thing
worth mentioning on debian-user however:  The debian nethack package has
a bug at present: when objects are thrown or certain wands zapped, etc.,
garbage is drawn on the screen.  The maintainer(s) are aware of this
already.

Syrus.


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Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Is it true that there is not manual entry for dpkg or dselect?!

In manpages 1.11-4 there is an entry for dpkg which may be of help.  The
installation manual for Debian included some info on dselect and if you
have access to the web, Debian's homepage (http://www.debian.org) has a
manual in the "Documentation" section.  Hope this helps.

Richard 




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>>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Bates <dbates@stats.adelaide.edu.au> writes:

    Douglas> However, my Debian Linux machine can reach outside the
    Douglas> firewall and access their home server for them.

I think it would not be too difficult to write a POP proxy.  You write
a little program that runs on your Debian box that pretends to be a
POP server, but what it really does is to open a connection to the
*real* POP server of your friends and forward all commands to that
server.

All the program needs to do is to know where a message ends, you can
then read all of a message then wait for response.  That means that
you will have to familiarize yourself with the POP protocol to see how
each request to and response from the server is terminated.

I did this once for HTTP and it didn't take me longer than two days
(part-time, used a programming language I had never seen before,
learned to use Python on the way).

kai
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>> * Why do I automatically get an xterm coming up when I start X?  It
>> didn't happen with Slackware.
>
>This is the default for debian when you don't have your own
>~/.xsession.  /etc/X11/Xsession is where this happens.  If you have
>your own ~/.xsession then whatever's there will have control.

I created my own .xsession, but still got an xterm.  It seems that
_both_ /etc/X11/Xsession and ~/.xsession get run - is this right?
Does this mean that the only way to stop the xterm automatically
coming up is to edit /etc/X11/Xsession?

Thanks for your help,

Mark Phillips (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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Kai Grossjohann said:
> 
> >>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Bates <dbates@stats.adelaide.edu.au> writes:
> 
>     Douglas> However, my Debian Linux machine can reach outside the
>     Douglas> firewall and access their home server for them.
> 
> I think it would not be too difficult to write a POP proxy.  You write
> a little program that runs on your Debian box that pretends to be a
> POP server, but what it really does is to open a connection to the
> *real* POP server of your friends and forward all commands to that
> server.

There is a little program which comes with INN which can do this
(backends/rcompress.c). It can be altered to forward connections to any server
on any port. I've used it to forward NNTP connections past a firewall, using
tcp_wrapper in inetd to control access.

-- 
Scott Barker
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"It's an experience like no other experience I can describe, the best thing
   that can happen to a scientist, realizing that something that's happened in
   his or her mind exactly corresponds to something that happens in nature.
   It's startling every time it occurs. One is surprised that a construct of
   one's mind can actually be realize in the honest-to-goodness world out
   there.  A great shock, and a great, great joy."
   - Leo Kadanoff

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Noam Rettig wrote:

> I have msdos on /dev/hda1 and linux on /dev/hda2.  I know that lilo
> can be configured to boot with either one at startup by pressing the
> TAB key.  How can I add the DOS image to my startup.

in /etc/lilo.conf

other = /dev/hda1
   label=dos
   table=/dev/hda


then run lilo again.



BTW, the answer to this (and also to your previous question) is well
documented and easy to find in the man pages & other documentation which
comes with debian.  If you want to get the full benefit of running a
unix OS you've got to be willing to RTFM - just having a notebook full
of 'magic tricks' isnt good enough, you have to understand what you're
doing.

'man' is an essential command.  get to know it, try 'man man' for more info.

'info' is for reading the manuals in /usr/info contains GNU info
documents.  IM0 it is an ugly and clumsy format but for some programs it
is the only on-line documentation available. The 'emacs' editor can also
view info documents and, according to emacs users, is a lot nicer to
use.

/usr/doc is a directory containing compressed documentation files and
examples for every debian package.  Lots of good stuff in here!


Craig

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:

> This is the wrong forum, but you can use a skeleton key or credit card.
> 
> There are many references for this game on the net such as the nethack
> home page: http://www.win.tue.nl/games/roguelike/nethack/.  One thing
> worth mentioning on debian-user however:  The debian nethack package has
> a bug at present: when objects are thrown or certain wands zapped, etc.,
> garbage is drawn on the screen.  The maintainer(s) are aware of this
> already.

Version 3.20 is out (current debian package is 3.13), and apparently there
is a patch for it to use the Qt X user interface libraries to make it look
really good under X. 

http://student.uq.edu.au/~s002434/nhqt/ 


It would be nice to see a debian package of this (although i probably
still wont have time to play it...nethack is still my all-time favourite
game, even though i rarely play computer games these days). 

Craig

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:

> I've just upgraded (or tried to upgrade) the rest of my packages to
> Debian 1.1. and noticed that sendmail 8.7.5-4 still contains QMAGIC
> binaries.
>
> Does anyone know if this is intentional or should I report it as a
> bug?

Something went wrong with your upgrade process.  sendmail is ELF.

I use smail mostly, but my gw machine has sendmail installed. here's
what it has:

$ dpkg -l sendmail
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
ii  sendmail        8.7.5-4        A complex mail transport agent.

$ file /usr/sbin/sendmail
/usr/sbin/sendmail: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, stripped

Craig

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Craig Sanders wrote:

(clipped own stuff)
> > (I'm thinking of the equiv. of "lilo (options) || echo Warning! blah
> > blah")
> >
> > and/or could LILO be run in "verbose" mode?
> >
> > I suggest this because it would have saved me a lot of time..
> >
> > In other words: (please idiot proof this for my benefit :) )
> 
> Before I switched to using the kernel package scripts I had my own
> 'makelinux' and 'addlilo' scripts which performed a similar function.
> 
> addlilo added an appropriate entry to the end of /etc/lilo.conf and then
> ran:
> 
>     lilo -t && lilo
> 
> i.e. 'lilo -t' tests the lilo config.  if it's OK then lilo is run.
> 
> maybe something like this (but expanded to provide useful warning/error
> information) should be done in the debian kernel package script?
> 
> Craig

After using "perforate" I wasn't sure so went to copy the kernel image
around to unperforate it and was going to run lilo again.

But, I accidentally deleted the kernel image.  So I ran dpkg -i (the kernel
image) and it finished without incident -- Lilo gave an error, but no being
verbose, only said "OldLinux not found" and I assumed (<- the problem) that
the found images were used, rebooted, then spent several hours trying to get
a clean boot into the system so I could run lilo again.

lilo -t && lilo 
wouldn't have helped (me anyway) I think -- if LILO fails it won't install
an MBR anyway (as far as I know).  It might give a more verbose error
message, tho.

__kmb203@psu.edu_________________________Debian__1.1___Linux__2.0.0___
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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> this was also the case.  there were a handful of files that somehow lost
> their execute permissions.
> 
> I reinstalled from the latest version of the boot disks, changed the
> 127.0.0.0 problem, uncommented the daemons, and all was well.
> 
> (hmm, how about a utility that runs around the disk, finds these kinds
> of parameters, & saves them, so it can fix evil happenings later?  If i
> knew enoght, i'd write one . . .)

tripwire (which is available as a debian package) may be able to do some
(possibly most or even all) of what you need.

it's usually used as an automated way of monitoring changes to specified
files, with particular attention paid to setuid programs, etc. helps
keep an eye on the system to check if malicious users are hacking the
system and installing setuid root binaries in obscure directories.

You might be able to use it to monitor, e.g., all the scripts in
/etc/init.d/ for execute permission, and pipe the output into a script
which forces the right permissions.


Hmmmm..I vaguely recall that there IS a program to do what you want...i
might have seen an announcement of it in comp.os.linux.announce a year
or so ago.  Check the c.o.l.a archives or the linux software map.
No details, I don't even recall a name.  You're on your own.  Happy
hunting.

Craig

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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) wrote:
|I work for two years to build the system and this is what people use it
|for :-)

Forgot why UNIX was invented in the first place? :)

--Amos

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Craig Sanders <cas@taz.net.au> wrote:

|Something went wrong with your upgrade process.  sendmail is ELF.
|
|I use smail mostly, but my gw machine has sendmail installed. here's
|what it has:
|
|$ dpkg -l sendmail
|Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
|| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
||/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad
|)
|||/ Name            Version        Description
|+++-===============-==============-===========================================
|=
|ii  sendmail        8.7.5-4        A complex mail transport agent.
|
|$ file /usr/sbin/sendmail
|/usr/sbin/sendmail: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, 
|stripped

What are the sizes and times on your binary?  Here are mine:

|root@birnam| dpkg -l sendmail
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
ii  sendmail        8.7.5-4        A complex mail transport agent.

|root@birnam| file /usr/sbin/sendmail
/usr/sbin/sendmail: setuid Linux/i386 demand-paged executable (QMAGIC), stripped

|root@birnam| ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       229376 May 22 16:14 /usr/sbin/sendmail*

These times and sizes match the ones in the .deb file (do 'dpkg -c
sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb').

Strange.

--Amos

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In message <199606152238.QAA28309@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> you write:
|Kai Grossjohann said:
|> 
|> >>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Bates <dbates@stats.adelaide.edu.au> writes:
|> 
|>     Douglas> However, my Debian Linux machine can reach outside the
|>     Douglas> firewall and access their home server for them.
|> 
|> I think it would not be too difficult to write a POP proxy.  You write
|> a little program that runs on your Debian box that pretends to be a
|> POP server, but what it really does is to open a connection to the
|> *real* POP server of your friends and forward all commands to that
|> server.
|
|There is a little program which comes with INN which can do this
|(backends/rcompress.c). It can be altered to forward connections to any server
|on any port. I've used it to forward NNTP connections past a firewall, using
|tcp_wrapper in inetd to control access.

My first though went for SOCKS.  Thought I never got around to use it,
from what I saw it looks like this is an Internet standard for doing
generic application-level proxying.

In any case, make sure that wnatever you install on the firewall
doesn't let outsiders to connect back in.

Cheers,

--Amos

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:

> What are the sizes and times on your binary?  

$ ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       235864 May  7 14:44 /usr/sbin/sendmail

$ file /usr/sbin/sendmail
/usr/sbin/sendmail: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, stripped


> |root@birnam| ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
> -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       229376 May 22 16:14 /usr/sbin/sendmail*
> 
> These times and sizes match the ones in the .deb file (do 'dpkg -c
> sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb').

$ cd /debian/unstable/binary-i386/mail

$ ls -l sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb 
-r--r--r--   1 root     root       563907 May  7 12:16 sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb

$ dpkg -c sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb  | grep sbin/sendmail

-rwsr-xr-x root/root    235864 May  7 14:44 1996 usr/sbin/sendmail
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  matches what's 
installed on my system


Weird.  

Two possibilities spring to mind:

1. yours is dated may 22, mine is may 7.  maybe a new version came out which
was accidentally compiled as a.out

2. your may 22 is referring to 1995, not 1996 and you have an old package
which somehow got renamed to the current release filename.


my sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb is from my mirror, which is updated every night.  
where did you get your sendmail.deb file from?


Craig

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Hi,

	I don't have the deb file anymore, so I can't do a contents,
 but I have a elf sendmail as well.
	manoj

<root@melkor:[.../debian]> dpkg -l sendmail
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
|Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
ii  sendmail        8.7.5-4        A complex mail transport agent.
<root@melkor:[.../debian]> file /usr/sbin/sendmail
/usr/sbin/sendmail: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, stripped
<root@melkor:[.../debian]> ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       235864 May  7 00:44 /usr/sbin/sendmail*

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Hi,

	I now have fixed the postinst script so that it first runs a
 test using lilo -t > /tmp/lilo_log.$$; and then runs lilo proper. If
 an error occurs, it prints something to the tune of:
    There was an error with running lilo in test mode, a log is 
    available in file /tmp/lilo_log.39678. Please edit /etc/lilo.conf
    manually and re-run lilo, or make other arrangements to boot 
    your machine.
	Please hit return to continue
 And waits there till you hit return. This should handle most problems
 mentioned here ...

	manoj
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I have 3 problems I would appreciate help with.

1. How does TERM get set?  When bash is the login shell for a user, it
seems that TERM gets set to linux when logging in from the console.
But when I changed my shell to tcsh, TERM no longer gets set to linux
as it should.  Why?

P.S. Is there any advantage to using bash instead of tcsh?  Does bash
have all the features that tcsh has?

2. I use the following command:

# pppd -d -detach /dev/cua1 &

To establish my ppp link to uni.  However I have been finding that
often I get a message saying that this job is "done", even though the
ppp connection has not been broken at the other end.  I just run this
command again and the link is reestablished, but it is annoying the
way it just dies every now and then for no reason.  Why?

Also, why is there no "ppp-off" script included with the ppp package?

3. My machine name is "destiny", yet I cannot rlogin to my own
machine.  When I type "rlogin destiny" I get:

destiny.phillips.com.au: No route to host

I don't know why it doesn't work.  What follows is all the information
that I thought might be relevant.  I hope someone can help me.

My "hosts" file is:

127.0.0.1       localhost
192.1.1.1               destiny.phillips.com.au destiny


I have setup my resolv.conf for my uni ppp connection, namely:

domain          cc.flinders.edu.au
search          maths.flinders.edu.au cs.flinders.edu.au
stats.flinders.edu.au
nameserver      129.96.252.31
nameserver      129.96.252.46
nameserver      129.96.1.21

These nameservers are the ones at uni.

I would have thought though that doing "rlogin destiny" would use the
"lo" interface?

When I run route I get:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use
Iface
localhost       *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0     1
lo
annex05.cc.flin *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0     0
ppp0
default         annex05.cc.flin 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0     3
ppp0

(when not connected via ppp, I only get the first two lines).

When I run ifconfig I get:

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3584  Metric:1
          RX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0

ppp0      Link encap:Point-Point Protocol
          inet addr:129.96.250.55  P-t-P:129.96.250.15
Mask:255.255.0.0
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING  MTU:552  Metric:1
          RX packets:2783 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:4456 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0

Does anything here seem wrong?  I can't work out why it doesn't
work as I compared it with my slackware system (which does work) and
can't see any significant differences.


Thank's in advance for your help.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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In message <Pine.LNX.3.91.960616153307.3155F-100000@taz.net.au> you write:
|
|On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:
|
|> What are the sizes and times on your binary?  
|
|$ ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
|-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       235864 May  7 14:44 /usr/sbin/sendmail
|
|$ file /usr/sbin/sendmail
|/usr/sbin/sendmail: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, 
|stripped
|
|
|> |root@birnam| ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
|> -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       229376 May 22 16:14 /usr/sbin/sendmail*
|> 
|> These times and sizes match the ones in the .deb file (do 'dpkg -c
|> sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb').
|
|$ cd /debian/unstable/binary-i386/mail
|
|$ ls -l sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb 
|-r--r--r--   1 root     root       563907 May  7 12:16 sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb
|
|$ dpkg -c sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb  | grep sbin/sendmail
|
|-rwsr-xr-x root/root    235864 May  7 14:44 1996 usr/sbin/sendmail
|                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  matches what's 
|installed on my system
|
|
|Weird.  
|
|Two possibilities spring to mind:
|
|1. yours is dated may 22, mine is may 7.  maybe a new version came out which
|was accidentally compiled as a.out

Then the minor number would have been advanced (>= 5 instead of 4),
wouldn't it?

|
|2. your may 22 is referring to 1995, not 1996 and you have an old package
|which somehow got renamed to the current release filename.

As for the '95 theory, I doubt that since it should have showed the year if
it was that old.  As for the renaming - maybe.  "dpkg -I" shows:

|birnam| dpkg -I sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb 
 old debian package, version 0.939000.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|my sendmail-8.7.5-4.deb is from my mirror, which is updated every night.  
|where did you get your sendmail.deb file from?

>From tsx-11, as far as I remember (just grabbed things yesterday, but
tsx didn't have everything so I took some things from ftp.debian.org).

Will try to fetch from another archive.

--Amos

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> 1. How does TERM get set?
>

it is set by login(1).

> P.S. Is there any advantage to using bash instead of tcsh?  Does bash
> have all the features that tcsh has?
> 

well, being a LONG time tcsh user, no, bash can't do everything tcsh does.
tcsh can do command line spell checking, has a better (IMO) built in
``which'' (it recognizes aliases), amoung other things.

but bash will help prevent you from learning bad skills (auto-spell
correction only teaches you that you don't have to spell well).  and bash
is more standard.  i highly recommend working with bash rather than tcsh,
i switched for a variety of reasons, especially for shell programming.

Linus dislikes tcsh a great deal, and also urges not to use it, and there
is a rather good FAQ on the dangers of (t)csh programming posted
regularly to comp.unix.programmer

> Also, why is there no "ppp-off" script included with the ppp package?
> 

good question.  and why isn't pppd setuid root?  if it's a security issue,
a ppp group would be in order.

jeff
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Hi,

Thanks for the response.  Looks like the file I fetched from tsx-11 was
bad.  Probably a very old copy which was renamed.  I got a copy from
ftp.debian.org and everything is fine  -  No a.out files on my system!

Cheers,

--Amos

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Hello,

Now i would like to install debian, so where do i get the system ?

allan

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>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT), "' ALLAN W. BART"
>>>>> <butch@Maestro.COM> said:

  Allan> Now i would like to install debian, so where do i get the
  Allan> system ?

You get all of this from ftp.debian.org, or one of its mirrors (the
message listing the mirrors will be printed when you connect to the
site).  Debian needs a boot disk, a root disk, and three base disks.
Everything else is installed from a local disk partition, or an NFS
mounted partition, or from CD, or via FTP (for this you will need
dpkg-ftp which I think is in the tools directory).

On the WWW site there is a document explaining the installation
process.

hth,
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Why is this in non-free?  It sounds like they _want_ to be
included in linux distributions!  What about this copyright
is keeping it out of the Debian distribution?  I obviously
need to familiarize myself with Debian's rules and regs, but
it seems strange that this copyright is keeping pine in
non-free.

-------- included copyright from PINE3.94 -------------------


Pine and Pico are registered trademarks of the University of Washington.
No commercial use of these trademarks may be made without prior written
permission of the University of Washington.
 
Pine, Pico, and Pilot software and its included text are Copyright
1989-1996 by the University of Washington. 
 
Use of Pine/Pico/Pilot:  You may compile and execute these programs for
any purpose, including commercial, without paying anything to the
University of Washington, provided that the legal notices are maintained
intact and honored.

Local modification of this release is permitted as follows, or by mutual
agreement: In order to reduce confusion and facilitate debugging, we
request that locally modified versions be denoted by appending the letter
\"L\" to the current version number, and that the local changes be
enumerated in the integral release notes and associated documentation.

Redistribution of this release is permitted as follows, or by mutual
agreement:
 (a) In free-of-charge or at-cost distributions by non-profit concerns;
 (b) In free-of-charge distributions by for-profit concerns;
 (c) Inclusion in a CD-ROM collection of free-of-charge, shareware, or
     non-proprietary software for which a fee may be charged for the 
     packaged distribution.

UW encourages unrestricted distribution of individual patches to the Pine
system.  By \"patches\" we mean \"difference\" files that can be applied
to the UW Pine source distribution in order to accomplish bug fixes, minor
enhancements, or adaptation to new operating systems.  Submission of these
patches to UW for possible inclusion in future Pine versions is also 
encouraged.
 
The above permissions are hereby granted, provided that the Pine and Pico
copyright and trademark notices appear in all copies and that both the
above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting
documentation, and that the name of the University of Washington not be
used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the
software without specific, prior written permission.  This software is
made available \"as is\", and
 
THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED,
WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ALL IMPLIED
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND IN
NO EVENT SHALL THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL,
INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM
LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT
(INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE) OR STRICT LIABILITY, ARISING OUT OF OR IN
CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. 

---------- end copyright from PINE3.94 ---------------------


Richard G. Roberto
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> I see everyone wants to know. Yes, I will include the Linux 2.0 kernel in=
 the
> latest boot disk set, which will be uploaded this evening. I also have a
> kernel-image package, although I am not the official kernel maintainer.
Could you (or Simon) also upload a bootdisk having g_ncr53c810 *not* as a
module? I looked on master.debian.org in buzz/disks-i386 and still found
no bootdisk supporting my configuration.

Nils

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> Why is this in non-free?  It sounds like they _want_ to be
> included in linux distributions!  What about this copyright
> is keeping it out of the Debian distribution?  I obviously
> need to familiarize myself with Debian's rules and regs, but
> it seems strange that this copyright is keeping pine in
> non-free.
> 
> -------- included copyright from PINE3.94 -------------------
> 
The primary reason, is that the version in non-free is 3.93.

The major difference that I can see between the 3.93 copyright and
the 3.94 one is in the following paragraph:

> Local modification of this release is permitted as follows, or by mutual
> agreement: In order to reduce confusion and facilitate debugging, we
> request that locally modified versions be denoted by appending the letter
> \"L\" to the current version number, and that the local changes be
> enumerated in the integral release notes and associated documentation.

The paragraph in the 3.93 version reads:

We request that any local modifications be denoted by appending the letter
\"L\" to the current version number, and that the changes be enumerated in
the integral release notes and associated documentation. Re-distribution
by for-profit organizations requires permission from the University of
Washington. 

It is the last line of this paragraph that lands this package in non-free.

If there is nothing else troublesome about the new copyright (Bruce?) you
may look for 3.94 as soon as I can get some time to build it.
 
Luck,

Dwarf

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Hi,

Something funny happened to my cron utility recently. 

Cron stopped understanding the following crontab entry:
	12 14 * * sat-sun  cdplay >/dev/null 2>&1
It does however understand:
	12 14 * * 6-7  cdplay >/dev/null 2>&1
and
	12 14 * * sun  cdplay >/dev/null 2>&1

I also could not find any error messages (even if I leave out the
redirection to /dev/null). Syslogd captured the following:
Jun 16 14:12:00 boson /usr/sbin/cron[7602]: (derek) RELOAD (crontabs/derek)

This seems to coincide with my upgrading to v2.0 (which I built myself
using kernel-package-1.03). The package I use is
cron-3.0pl1-31.deb. (I removed and reinstalled the package but it does
not help.)

I have libc-5.2.18, and use bsdutil-3.0-2.deb package.

--Derek Lee

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>   Allan> Now i would like to install debian, so where do i get the
>   Allan> system ?
> 
> You get all of this from ftp.debian.org, or one of its mirrors (the
> message listing the mirrors will be printed when you connect to the
> site).  Debian needs a boot disk, a root disk, and three base disks.

or you can use just the first two files, and the base1_1.tgz file, which
must be in either / or an immediate subdirectory.  IE, if you will keep
a dos partition, leave the file in c:\, and mount c:\ as /dos (or whatever)

> Everything else is installed from a local disk partition, or an NFS
> mounted partition, or from CD, or via FTP (for this you will need
> dpkg-ftp which I think is in the tools directory).

you no longer need dpkg-ftp; it (or at least enough of it) is included
in the 5 disks/ 2disks+file.

(note:  for versions prior to tomorrows, there are about 5 missing
files, so it doesn't work unless you install perl, or add these five
files.  I manually added them, confirmed that worked, and Bruce is
adding them.)

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hello,

thanks for the assitance folks, i think this should be more fun than 
reading all of the cue and sams guides-btw, i kind of get the feeling 
that most of the commerical linux books are a rip-off?

so here is the question, can i use hercules monochrome grahics in the 
text mode on debian, this is to be on my old 386, which has this mode, my 
compaq persario has svga, and any ideas on how to efficiently use both of 
these sytems together would be appreciated. the compaq has a relatively 
small disk and besides i need to put the old northgate to work and 
running linux is a reeducation project.

yours,

allan

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I see that the xforms library is listed in the Packages file under section
x11.  But, when I look under the x11 subdirectory, I don't see it.  Does
anyone know what happened to it? 

Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Jeffery S. Coy Jr. wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
> 
> good question.  and why isn't pppd setuid root?  if it's a security issue,
> a ppp group would be in order.

I'd say 'because it doesn't neeed to be' is a good justification.

If you need to have non-root users execute ppp as root, take a look at the
'sudo' or 'super' packages. They allow you to define commands that can be
executed as root by a set of users... without forcing your choice of 'this
should be setuid root' programs on all other Debian users.

  Christian



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Debian 1.1 is available as ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/Debian-1.1 .
I will wait 24 hours for the mirror sites to catch up with the last few
changes, and will then post the public announcement.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Debian 1.1 is available as ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/Debian-1.1 .
I will wait 24 hours for the mirror sites to catch up with the last few
changes, and will then post the public announcement.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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There are some "#ifdef CONFIG_HGA" lines in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/vga.c .
I'd be interested in hearing about what happens when you try them.

	Bruce

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I recently upgraded our system to 1.1.  Now, when I run xbiff, I get:

Warning: Cannot convert string "flagup" to type Pixmap
Warning: Cannot convert string "flagdown" to type Pixmap

And a silly pixmap of shelves or something is shown instead of the
mailbox pixmap.  I had this same problem on my home system when I upgraded
some time ago, but the problem was solved by adding some other packages.
I *thought* the packages I needed to add were aout-xpm and xcompat so I
installed these packages but it hasn't solved the problem this time.  Does
anyone know what other package I need to add to make xbiff display the
pixmaps properly?

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Gerry
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>>good question.  and why isn't pppd setuid root?  if it's a security issue,
>>a ppp group would be in order.
>
>I'd say 'because it doesn't neeed to be' is a good justification.
>
>If you need to have non-root users execute ppp as root, take a look
>at the 'sudo' or 'super' packages. They allow you to define commands
>that can be executed as root by a set of users... without forcing
>your choice of 'this should be setuid root' programs on all other
>Debian users.

Personally I find that the diald package is an excellent way of
avoiding this whole issue.  However:

As someone pointed out last time this came up, when your machine is
acting as a PPP server you need to run the pppd as root from a dialin
account.  One way of doing this (with the commercial PPP with which I
am familiar) is to make the pppd setuid root and run it from a shell
script which is that user's login shell.

(I suppose you could run the pppd directly, but doing it from scripts
is more convenient as it allows you to pass arguments to the pppd and
set various options on a per-user basis.)

One could make the uid of the account zero to achieve this without
making pppd setuid, though I can imagine this making people jump up
and down about security - can anyone think of an attack on this?

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> 1. How does TERM get set?

TERM is set from the kernel in init/main.c to linux.  init, login, et
al, propagaate it.

>  When bash is the login shell for a user, it
> seems that TERM gets set to linux when logging in from the console.
> But when I changed my shell to tcsh, TERM no longer gets set to linux
> as it should.  Why?

Perhaps your .tcshrc or .cshrc is messing with it.

> P.S. Is there any advantage to using bash instead of tcsh?  Does bash
> have all the features that tcsh has?

Read "csh programming considered harmful".  Just do a web search and
you'll have many hits.

> # pppd -d -detach /dev/cua1 &

Use "ppd -d /dev/cua1" instead, and your program will go away.

> Also, why is there no "ppp-off" script included with the ppp package?

There is - /etc/ppp/ip-down

> 3. My machine name is "destiny", yet I cannot rlogin to my own
> machine.  When I type "rlogin destiny" I get:
> 
> destiny.phillips.com.au: No route to host

> 192.1.1.1               destiny.phillips.com.au destiny

> I would have thought though that doing "rlogin destiny" would use the
> "lo" interface?

Look at what you've told it destiny's address was.


Guy

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> Redistribution of this release is permitted as follows, or by mutual
> agreement:
>  (a) In free-of-charge or at-cost distributions by non-profit concerns;
>  (b) In free-of-charge distributions by for-profit concerns;
>  (c) Inclusion in a CD-ROM collection of free-of-charge, shareware, or
>      non-proprietary software for which a fee may be charged for the 
>      packaged distribution.

It can't be bundled with proprietary software.  That's a not uncommon
restriction of packages in non-free.


Guy

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When trying to run mc (Midnight Commander) I get:

mc: can't load library 'libgpm.so.1'

Gpm is only listed as suggested under mc.  However, since mc won't even
run without gpm, shouldn't mc be changed to depend on gpm rather than just
suggest gpm?

Gerry
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:

> I see that the xforms library is listed in the Packages file under section
> x11.  But, when I look under the x11 subdirectory, I don't see it.  Does
> anyone know what happened to it? 

It's in contrib.  A decision was made that packages without source must
go in contrib.  I moved it but neglected to rebuild the Packages file.
I'll fix that now.


Guy

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> >>good question.  and why isn't pppd setuid root?  if it's a security issue,
> >>a ppp group would be in order.
> >
> 
> Personally I find that the diald package is an excellent way of
> avoiding this whole issue.  However:
> 

i've been using kerneld (and request-route) to do this for some time now,
so it really wasn't an issue.  i was merely asking a question (since pppd
installs itself setuid root when you build your own).

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Hi,

uucp-1.06.1-2 was a.out some time ago, is there now (as real 1.1 is coming)
a ELF version available? The same about pbmplus, cnews and nntp, a2gs, 
a2ps.. 

I can't find anything different from my versions on ftp.debian.org, so I 
suppose there's nothing newer available. Should this be reported as a bug?
And, what else is left that need a rebuild as ELF before going "official"?

Maybe the still-aout packages should be marked/listed in some way to avoid 
confusion...

73,
Olaf
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Thanks for your help.

>>  When bash is the login shell for a user, it
>> seems that TERM gets set to linux when logging in from the console.
>> But when I changed my shell to tcsh, TERM no longer gets set to linux
>> as it should.  Why?
>
>Perhaps your .tcshrc or .cshrc is messing with it.

No - I checked, plus I even removed .cshrc and the problem remained.
The strange thing is that TERM is set okay for xterms, but not for
linux consoles.  Could there be a bug in tcsh?


>> # pppd -d -detach /dev/cua1 &
>
>Use "ppd -d /dev/cua1" instead, and your program will go away.

"program" or do you mean "problem"?  My problem is that this process
keeps on terminating prematurely.  I get a message saying the job is
finished even though I haven't told it to finish and even though the
modem link hasn't been broken.  I thought that all the "-detach"
option did was to stop the pppd process from detaching itself from the
terminal I ran it from.  I don't understand why this would solve my
problem.

>
>> Also, why is there no "ppp-off" script included with the ppp package?
>
>There is - /etc/ppp/ip-down

But isn't this only executed after the link goes down?  How do I tell
the link that I want it to go down - that's what I thought ppp-off was
for?  Also, if I put things like "reset the modem" in "ip-down", won't
this happen even when pppd dies prematurely like I mention above (in
which case I want to restart pppd rather than resetting the modem.)


Thanks again for your help - I appreciate it.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way to open the chests other than kicking them?  would this
> > stop the potions from shattering?
> 
> This is the wrong forum, but you can use a skeleton key or credit card.
> 
(clip)
> 
> Syrus.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.

A good place to discuss this (or anything really) is debian-talk... That's
what it is for... (anything which is not debian only but is debianated ;)


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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> No - I checked, plus I even removed .cshrc and the problem remained.
> The strange thing is that TERM is set okay for xterms, but not for
> linux consoles.  Could there be a bug in tcsh?

Maybe - do this on a running tcsh whose pid is xxx:

cat /proc/xxx/environ | xargs -0n1 | grep '^TERM='

to see what tcsh was passed as the TERM.  It should be the same in the
actual shell.

> >Use "pppd -d /dev/cua1" instead, and your program will go away.

oops - I meant problem.

> >> Also, why is there no "ppp-off" script included with the ppp package?
> >
> >There is - /etc/ppp/ip-down
> 
> But isn't this only executed after the link goes down?  How do I tell
> the link that I want it to go down - that's what I thought ppp-off was
> for?

Read the manpage for ppp under the signals option.  Send it a SIGTERM
with for example "killall pppd".

>  Also, if I put things like "reset the modem" in "ip-down", won't
> this happen even when pppd dies prematurely like I mention above (in
> which case I want to restart pppd rather than resetting the modem.)

Use the persist option for this.


Guy

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Max Hyre wrote:

>    Martin Alonso Soto Jacome's <masoto@uniandes.edu.co> answer got to
> me first:
> 
> > Well, that's exactly what xdm is intended for.  xdm tries to keep an 
> > xserver running permanently, so that you can always login to the system 
> > using a nice graphical login prompt dialog box.
> 
>   ``Oh'', he said in a quiet voice.  (I've just started using X under
> Linux, and hadn't grasped the differences between startx and xdm.)
> 
>    At the time I was tweaking the ModeLines to get the display size
> best suited to the screen, and thus was starting and killing X
> constantly.  Next time, I'll just use startx, and save myself some
> hassle.

You can also leave xdm running in the background, and start the server 
manually whenever you want to use X. Remove the line
:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X
from the /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file, and xdm won't start an X server 
automatically. You can then use a command like
X -query localhost
...to start an X server when you need one.

If it's present, it might also be an idea to remove the line
xdm-start-server
from /etc/X11/config, as if it's present then the X configuration scripts 
will add the line back to /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers next time you configure 
or update the X packages. Replace it with no-xdm-start-server, and you 
shouldn't ever be prompted about xdm starting a server again.

Steve Early
sde1000@cam.ac.uk

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Hello to all,

I have just changed from Slackware with kernel 1.2.8 to Debian .93 with
kernel 1.2.13 only to discover that it doesn't appear to come with the inn
news server.

After checking out the packages available for Debian, it appears that the
only inn package for Debian is the ELM version.

Rather than install Debian 1.1, I would prefer to stay with Debian .93
because my reason for changing from Slackware is it's general unreliablity
(and I have already spent a lot of time getting this far!)

Can somebody Please tell me the best way to get an inn news server on Debian
.93?

Or where to get a non ELM version to suit Debian .93?

Alternatively, can I just install the libc5 C library that the current inn
server depends on and then install the current inn server?

I have a running inn server on my Slackware setup that I could copy over,
but I presume that Debian would lose the dependancy checking abilities if I
use it?

Regards Chris Rhodes...

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Kevin M Bealer wrote:

> A good place to discuss this (or anything really) is debian-talk... That's
> what it is for... (anything which is not debian only but is debianated ;)
> 
So, how do we subscribe to this list Kevin?

Dwarf

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Juhani Luhtanen writes:
>Failed to create group majordom:
>adduser: the user you specified already exist
>
>when I try to run dpkg --install with the majordomo.deb file. 

It looks to me like the base disks now have the `majordom' user but
not the corresponding group (before you even install Majordomo, that
is).  Can someone confirm or refute this please - I don't have time to
check right now.

Since the base disks for 0.93 had neither the user nor the group the
preinst attemps to create them.  It then checks that both are there.

If that is the problem ... as a temporary workaround create a
`majordom' group, preferrably with the same GID as the `majordom'
group.  Make the default group for the `majordom' user be the GID of
the `majordom' group.  Then try reinstalling the majordomo package.

- Richard

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Chris Rhodes <clr@pac.com.au> writes:

> Rather than install Debian 1.1, I would prefer to stay with Debian .93
> because my reason for changing from Slackware is it's general unreliablity
> (and I have already spent a lot of time getting this far!)

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are wasting your time with
0.93.  1.1 has been a long time in the making and is more stable than
0.93.  I highly recommend you bite the bullet and go with 1.1.
Besides all the bug/security fixes, new packages etc. will be for 1.1.

--
Rob

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i just installed the aout-svgalib-1.28-6.deb package, and noticed it
installs to /usr/i486-linuxaout rather than /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout, so
the system can't find it.

i tried writing the maintainer (richard@uk.geeks.org), but the host
appears not to exist.

on a side note, has anyone made a doom package for debian?

jeff
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Chris,

We've just released Debian 1.1 and we removed Debian 0.93 from the FTP
sites. It doens't make sense to stick with 0.93 . I assure you that
1.1 is robust. Please install it, and you'll find that inn is there.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Where on a CD does the install program on the install disks look for the
base1_1.tgz file? I'm going to be cutting a CD with 'buzz' and I want to make
sure I cut it in a useful form :)


-- 
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I tried to rlogin to my own machine, but got:

>rlogin localhost
localhost: Connection refused

Why was this?  Is there something I need to do to allow rlogin
connections, or doesn't it make sense to rlogin to localhost?
(Nor can I do telnet, finger or ftp - I can do ping though.)


Also, what is the relationship between a machine name and IP
addresses?  As I understand it, a single machine may have more than
one IP address if it is on several networks, and yet often the machine
name is an alias for one of these addresses - I'm a bit confused about
the role of the machine name.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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>On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
>> No - I checked, plus I even removed .cshrc and the problem remained.
>> The strange thing is that TERM is set okay for xterms, but not for
>> linux consoles.  Could there be a bug in tcsh?
>
>Maybe - do this on a running tcsh whose pid is xxx:
>
>cat /proc/xxx/environ | xargs -0n1 | grep '^TERM='
>
>to see what tcsh was passed as the TERM.  It should be the same in the
>actual shell.

I did this - the environ file is empty!!!  What could be wrong?

>
>> >Use "pppd -d /dev/cua1" instead, and your program will go away.
>
>oops - I meant problem.

Why will the problem go away - what's wrong with using the "-detach"
option?

Thanks,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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Olaf Erb writes:
> uucp-1.06.1-2 was a.out some time ago, is there now (as real 1.1 is coming)
> a ELF version available? The same about pbmplus, cnews and nntp, a2gs, 
> a2ps.. 

and symlinks-1.0-2, gopherd-2.1.1-2, gopher-client-2.1.1-2,
auto-pgp-1.04-0

> I can't find anything different from my versions on ftp.debian.org, so I 
> suppose there's nothing newer available. Should this be reported as a bug?

I'm not sure. But it won't help for most of these anyway as they're
orphaned. At least some are. The best you can do is recompile them and
upload the new version. 

a2ps and a2gs shouldn't be used anymore, though. genscript seems to be much
better.

Michael

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Susan Kleinmann wrote:
 
> I agree it would be helpful if more of the module documentation were
> placed in the /usr/doc directory.  I suspect this hasn't happened yet
> because the modules project has been moving _very_ fast.
> There was an article on modules (now outmoded, but good for overview)
> by Matt Welsh in Dr. Dobbs Journal.  It is available on the WWW at
> http://www.ddj.com/ddj/1995/1995.05/welsh.htm.
 
There is even a kerneld-mini-HOWTO. I managed to get
things going with that quite quickly.
 
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Mark Phillips wrote:
: 
: 
: Next problem: when I boot I now get the following error messages:
: Configuring serial ports..../dev/cua0: No such device
: done.
: /dev/cua0: No such device
: /dev/cua1: No such device
: /dev/cua2: No such device
: /dev/cua3: No such device

Perhaps you serial driver is modularized not not yet loaded.

: Next problem: when trying to configure my ethernet interface:
: ifconfig eth0 192.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.1.1.255
: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
: SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
: SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device

Same as above for the ethernet device driver.

: NE*000 ethercard prob at 0x340: 00 40 01 41 4a 37
: eth0: NE2000 found at 0x340, using IRQ5
: I don't see any such message for the debian bootup - does debian
: detect my ethernet card?

Have a look at /etc/modules and /etc/conf.modules.

Heiko
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Scott,

Your CD should have base1_1.tgz in /debian/base1_1.tgz . Unfortunately,
the root floppy as distributed does not know how to take advantage of a
local CD, so this won't help right away. We need some more work on the
installation system (a kernel with all CD and SCSI drivers included, and
a small amount of script work) to take advantage of this.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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From: Martin Konold <zxmmz01@fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de>
> 1.) I do not hink it is a good idea to mount the /pub areas on a heavily 
> used ftp server via nfs. (especially performace wise)

This is currently done because of a hardware/driver problem. We'll get 
that resolved eventually.

> 2.) A lot of simple mirror scripts tend to delete the local copy of the 
> files when they succed in connecting to the ftp  server but find the 
> directory empty.

We suggest you use the same mirror script we use, and set it so that if
more than 10% of files go away at once it won't delete them.

We did have problems with debian.org - the system it was running on
was taken away, and we had to put a system we never intended to be
debian.org in its place. Our first priority now is to keep the mirror
systems updated.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Linux Journal has been running a series of article on writing a character
device driver as a module. The conclusion will be in next months issue, so
watch for it. There are some good discussions here on the fundimentals of
modules under Linux.

Enjoy,

Dwarf

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> dependency problem prevents configuration of libc5-dev
> 	libc5-dev depends on libc5 (=5.2.18-8) however:
> 	version of libc5 on system is 5.2.18-9

i'm shooting from the hip, but how about reinstalling both to the
current version?

> Next problem: when trying to configure my ethernet interface:
> 
> ifconfig eth0 192.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.1.1.255
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
etc. . .

> What is wrong?
> 
> I noticed with my slackware bootup (where things work okay), that
> it prints:
> 
> NE*000 ethercard prob at 0x340: 00 40 01 41 4a 37
> eth0: NE2000 found at 0x340, using IRQ5
> 
> I don't see any such message for the debian bootup - does debian
> detect my ethernet card?

not automatically, although .93 did.

What you need to do is add

  ne io=0x340

to the end of /etc/modules.  It willthen load the ne.o module you need
for that card on boot.

ONce booted, you can use 

  insmod ne io=0x340

to do the same thing.

rick

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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> We suggest you use the same mirror script we use, and set it so that if
> more than 10% of files go away at once it won't delete them.

Which one do you use? Where to get it? 10% seems reasonable.

> We did have problems with debian.org - the system it was running on
> was taken away, and we had to put a system we never intended to be
> debian.org in its place. Our first priority now is to keep the mirror
> systems updated.

Good point!

Thanks for your tremendous work,
-- martin

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> Where on a CD does the install program on the install disks look for the
> base1_1.tgz file? I'm going to be cutting a CD with 'buzz' and I want to make
> sure I cut it in a useful form :)

It looks for both /base1_1.tgz, and /*/base1.tgz. So your cd will need
to mount in such a way that this is found.   Assuming you mount as /cd,
this would mean in the top level of the cd's file system.  (unless, of
course, it creates yet another directory, such as /base in which to put
it).  

Anyway, the bottom line is the top two levels of the entire file system.

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> ae adds a ^M at the end of newly inserted lines.

Fixed in June 16 floppy set. Install the new ae package if you still
need ae.

> Whoa! "Configuring serial ports....Wild interrupts found: 7 15"
> Please don't do this to me! That's my GUS, also my printer, and my
> secondary IDE controller (which, at the moment, has no active IDE
> devices online). /etc/rc.boot/0serial loads up loads of crap, trying
> to configure cua0 - cua32 or similar...

Uh-oh. That is indeed very optimistic. Please file a bug report with
debian-bugs.

> Wouldn't it be better if the serial module was included by default?

Yes, probably.

> Installation via dftp is broken.. "can't find Carp.pm" (it's referenced
> from vars.pm) (dselect / A / ftp)

Fixed in June 16 boot set.

> I don't have a gateway on my single-computer network (I do have an
> Ethernet card, yes, don't ask). /etc/init.d/networks puts a line:
>	GATEWAY=none
> but then adds a route to it, which results in a hostname lookup
> failure during boot.

Oops. Please file a bug report with debian-bugs.

> /etc/kbd/config has CONSOLE=

Fixed in June 16 boot set.

> Ok.. for the rest: it's smooth. It looks neat - much more neat than
> Slackware, or even RedHat.

> Two more things I'd Like To See (tm):
> - Ask if you really want to mkfs the partition

You mean "mkfs", or the installation floppy menu system? The menu system
does ask for confirmation.

	Bruce

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> > - /etc/kbd/config has CONSOLE=
> >   which results in a symlink /console -> /dev/console which sucks.
> >   Putting 'CONSOLE=tty0' fixes it. Then again, if you run
> >   '/usr/lib/kbd/config' it's all wrong again (taking the defaults).
> > 
> I also have this problem over and over. On top of that it prevents the correct
> keyboard map to be loaded. So I have to guess until I get the right keyboard
> again and can then proceed to correct this.

Fixed in June 16 floppy set.

	Bruce

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You might try the "modconf" tool. This is a shell/dialog program I wrote
to help with static module configuration.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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> From:    Martin Konold <zxmmz01@fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de>
> Subject: Re: Debian 1.1 will include the Linux 2.0 kernel

> 1.) There are distributions which only need to rawrite one singel disk.
>     versa five!

beg pardon?  debian requires two, root & boot.   It also requires either
the 3 disks, or a file (base1_1.tgz) be available in the top two levels
of the file system.

Given a CD packaging, i suspect that the requirement for the root disk
could be eliminated, making it one disk (but i don't know enough about
file systems; don't hold me to this :).  

Similarly, a pair could be made with nfs support in the boot kernel,
which would require an nfs source for the rest of the files.

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>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 02:09:46 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:

  Mark> Why was this?  Is there something I need to do to allow rlogin
  Mark> connections, or doesn't it make sense to rlogin to localhost?
  Mark> (Nor can I do telnet, finger or ftp - I can do ping though.)

Maybe the services are commented out in /etc/inetd.conf?

I think ping uses the echo protocol which is built in to inetd, so
maybe the entries in /etc/inetd.conf that say to run telnetd, rlogind
and similar stuff are wrong?  Check the file and see if you have the
executables in the right paths.

kai
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> > 1.) There are distributions which only need to rawrite one singel disk.
> >     versa five!
> 
> beg pardon?  debian requires two, root & boot.   It also requires either
> the 3 disks, or a file (base1_1.tgz) be available in the top two levels
> of the file system.
> 
> Given a CD packaging, i suspect that the requirement for the root disk
> could be eliminated, making it one disk (but i don't know enough about
> file systems; don't hold me to this :).  
> 
> Similarly, a pair could be made with nfs support in the boot kernel,
> which would require an nfs source for the rest of the files.

You are right this _could_ be made. 
But I do think that this should be considered for the new unstable aka 
1.2 Release.
The documentation of 1.1 tells the user to prepare boot, root, base[1-3]
this sums up to 5 disks.
Actually I do think it is more important to support most of the standard 
hardware components than to change the install procedure for 1.1.
(Not beeing able to install on a P5 with a NCR 810 is a petty)

Yours,
-- martin

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>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:58:53 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:

  Mark> dependency problem prevents configuration of libc5-dev
  Mark> 	libc5-dev depends on libc5 (=5.2.18-8) however:
  Mark> 	version of libc5 on system is 5.2.18-9

Get a newer libc5-dev (5.2.18-9 rather than -8) and install that.

kai
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Martin Konold <zxmmz01@fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > We suggest you use the same mirror script we use, and set it so that if
> > more than 10% of files go away at once it won't delete them.
> 
> Which one do you use? Where to get it? 10% seems reasonable.

Isn't it the one in the Debian mirror package?

--
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Good day Butch!

}i havew an old 386dx pc and i was thinking about learning about http 
}servers, it has 4mb of ram and iwas wondering if it would be possible to 
}use this a a learning platform?

What speaks against this?  It'l be a little bit slow, but it should
work.  I have had a machine with 4MB running Linux, sometimes as
experimental nfs server, or experimental irc server, or http
server.  (I think think this was the last job before I lost the Linux
disk.)

But you'll be unable to install Debian on that machine, I suppose.  At
least dselect want's to have much of RAM.

Regards,

	Joey

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You write:

}I wrote:
}>Is it true that there is not manual entry for dpkg or dselect?!
}>
}>My system doesn't think there is.

}Come to think of it, my system doesn't think there are ANY manual
}entries!!!

}I just tried typing "man man" and this is what happened:

}(mark, destiny, ~)> man man
}No manual entry for man

What does the manpath program say?

}Why doesn't man find any man pages?

what does dpkg -s manpages -s manpages-de say?

Regards,

	Joey
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You write:


}I've been thinking of something along these lines, too:

}I'm trying to install packages on a machine, but doc & man stuff on a
}separate machine as a server.  It isn't working well so far :)

}I've had reasonable luck linking /usr/doc and /usr/man pages to the nfs
}host, but the predictable bad things happen when i then try to install
}packages--all kinds of error messages.

It seems that you have problems with installing packages, right?
Packages are installed with uid=0 aka root, right?  NFS normally
sqashes root (i.e. translates uid=0 to uid=63336 for example).
Therefore you can't change permissions and the like.

Could you check out if that's the problem?

}I just don't quite understand the proper configuration for these, and
}how /bin/local interacts, etc.  can someone straighten me out?

What do you mean?

}(and yes, we're blessed :)  our old machines are 486/33's . . . I'm not
}sure there are any 386's left in front line use here . . .)

Oh, lucky guy.  My machine for creating .deb files is a 486SX-25 :)

Regards,

	Joey
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The mirror system we use is in the Debian net/mirror-2.8-6.deb package.
This is the well-known Perl mirror program. I think it requires Perl5
to run without great big memory leaks, but you should be able to take
the debian source/net/mirror-2.8-6.tar.gz archive and move that to any
platform that runs Perl.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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I've been trying to set up PPP on two debian machines, and haven't
quite got it working.  The server has been running 0.93 for a while,
and I just starting installing 1.1 on the client last week.

I can start and maintain the connection, and I can reach the server
from the client, but nowhere else.  It has been suggested to me
that the server kernel needs IP forwarding, but I haven't been
able to find any documentation on this; is it a module, perhaps?

The client started its life on ethernet, and was taken off after
getting debian files, etc.  I believe I have removed all traces of
the ethernet driver.  I have tried moving the important parts
of /etc/init.d/network to /etc/ppp/ip-up, and commenting them out
from both, to no avail.  My route table on the client shows a default
route to the server alright, but I can't get past it.

The client's ppp options include defaultroute and explicit
local-ip:remote-ip, and the server's include proxyarp and 
local-ip:remote-ip.

Thanks for your time,
Paul


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|>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:
|
|  Mark> Why was this?  Is there something I need to do to allow rlogin
|  Mark> connections, or doesn't it make sense to rlogin to localhost?
|  Mark> (Nor can I do telnet, finger or ftp - I can do ping though.)
|
|Maybe the services are commented out in /etc/inetd.conf?

Probably.

(if I'm linking the original question to a "Connection refused"
message right) - you get "Connecion refused" when the machine is
reachable and functional, but there is nobody listening on that
particular port.

|I think ping uses the echo protocol which is built in to inetd, so
|maybe the entries in /etc/inetd.conf that say to run telnetd, rlogind
|and similar stuff are wrong?  Check the file and see if you have the
|executables in the right paths.

Ping uses ICMP-ECHO packets.  So you can get "elvis is alive" while
elvis has just configured the network card but before anything is
running.  That would comply with the "connection refused" message too.

Just make sure your inetd is running, take a look at your inetd.conf
file and return to us.

Cheers,

--Amos

--Amos Shapira                    | "Of course Australia was marked for
133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
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I downloaded ncpfs.  It depends on ipx.  However, ncpfs will work fine
without the ipx tools if you are running the Mars netware server and you
set it up to configure your ipx network.  In fact, the ipx package will
break your ipx configuration if you are using Mars to configure your ipx
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ncpfs depending on ipx. 

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In your email to me, Paul Kautz, you wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been trying to set up PPP on two debian machines, and haven't
> quite got it working.  The server has been running 0.93 for a while,
> and I just starting installing 1.1 on the client last week.
> 
> I can start and maintain the connection, and I can reach the server
> from the client, but nowhere else.  It has been suggested to me
> that the server kernel needs IP forwarding, but I haven't been
> able to find any documentation on this; is it a module, perhaps?

You need IP forwarding (configured in the kernel (make config)),
and most likely the proxyarp option in the server pppd instance.

> The client started its life on ethernet, and was taken off after
> getting debian files, etc.  I believe I have removed all traces of
> the ethernet driver.  I have tried moving the important parts
> of /etc/init.d/network to /etc/ppp/ip-up, and commenting them out
> from both, to no avail.  My route table on the client shows a default
> route to the server alright, but I can't get past it.
> 
> The client's ppp options include defaultroute and explicit
> local-ip:remote-ip, and the server's include proxyarp and 
> local-ip:remote-ip.

That should do it.. just add ip forwarding to the kernel..

Tim

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Hallo Martin!

}> We suggest you use the same mirror script we use, and set it so that if
}> more than 10% of files go away at once it won't delete them.
}
}Which one do you use? Where to get it? 10% seems reasonable.

It is the mirror program that is shipped with Debian, mirror 2.8 from
Lee McLaughlin in Camebridge.  As I told you, just ad a line similar
to the following into your configuration file.

max_delete_files=20%

Regards,

	Joey

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>   
>>   Allan> system ?
>> dpkg-ftp which I think is in the tools directory).
>
>you no longer need dpkg-ftp; it (or at least enough of it) is included
>in the 5 disks/ 2disks+file.
Where is the included dpkg-ftp??  It doesn't appear to be in
dpkg1-2-6

Mark
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> 
> }I've been thinking of something along these lines, too:
> 
> }I'm trying to install packages on a machine, but doc & man stuff on a
> }separate machine as a server.  It isn't working well so far :)
> 
> }I've had reasonable luck linking /usr/doc and /usr/man pages to the nfs
> }host, but the predictable bad things happen when i then try to install
> }packages--all kinds of error messages.

> It seems that you have problems with installing packages, right?
> Packages are installed with uid=0 aka root, right?  NFS normally
> sqashes root (i.e. translates uid=0 to uid=63336 for example).
> Therefore you can't change permissions and the like.

> Could you check out if that's the problem?

happily, but what am i looking for/checking?

also, i made some progress, sort of .

For the doc, info, man, & games, dirctories, i used 

  chmod -R 777 doc info man games include

Most documentation then installed properly.  THe exception was perl,
which gave permission denied messages regarding removing symlinks.
Other docs, though, happily created & filled the directories they needed
to live in.

> }I just don't quite understand the proper configuration for these, and
> }how /bin/local interacts, etc.  can someone straighten me out?
> 
> What do you mean?

I assume that /bin/local is inherently local.  What i'd ideally like to
do is have the nfs directories mounted at the same points as the local
disk, so that i don't need large amounts of links & mounts.  For (at
least) reading, i'd like to be able to have a tree of mixed local/served
files, recognizing that different combinations fo files will be
installed on different machines (extreme example:  some may7 want gcc
served, while others want it locally . . .)

also, i'd like to make links so that it thinks that remote packages are
installed for dependecny purpoises.  (i can probalby figure this out
once i get to the right combination of dpkg-deb --help, i suspect.  i
think i just need to figure out where they're stored.).

midway through typing this, i got a bit more working, which has left me
even more confused:

on the "server", the second hard drive is put into the file system as
/hdb2 (truly creative name :).  I then created doc, info, etc. on it,
and symlinked these back into the primary file system.  /hdb is also an
export.  

THe other system mounts /hdb as /server, and has symlinks to /server for
doc, info, games, etc.  THis works fine, and with the 777 permissions on
the host, lets most installs put their documentation where it needs to
go.

For executables in games, though, i've found it necessary to actually
mount rather than use symlinks.  So i have 

 mount -t nfs pc3138.econ:/server-pc3138.econ/usr.lib.games /usr/lib/games
 mount -t nfs pc3138.econ:/server-pc3138.econ/var.lib.games /var/lib/games

which allows nethack (my test program) to work just fine.
I don't think it should be this complicated, though (or should it?)

  

> }(and yes, we're blessed :)  our old machines are 486/33's . . . I'm not
> }sure there are any 386's left in front line use here . . .)
> 
> Oh, lucky guy.  My machine for creating .deb files is a 486SX-25 :)

if only they were mine :)  right now i have two down in a basement lab
to play with to show that this is going to work.  And i'm trying very
hard to control myself and not buy my own linux system . . . exector
runs the important files in my mac collection (word 5.1 & excel 4.  hmm,
what about hypercard?), and my wife wants a color computer for the kids
. . .

rick

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> Where is the included dpkg-ftp??  It doesn't appear to be in
> dpkg1-2-6

i don't know whether it is included as a package, or is just there, but
it installs as part of the base system.  It does not work correctly
(some missing files) in *any* release before the actual 1.1 release;
even last friday's was missing 5 files.  But i installed & used it on a
clean install this morning from teh final release; it works


ric

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thanks for the info, now to download debian once and for all!!!

ab

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I dont understand if i cant install debian then which flavor of linux 
would permit me to do the job?

allan

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> Good day Butch!
> 
> }i havew an old 386dx pc and i was thinking about learning about http 
> }servers, it has 4mb of ram and iwas wondering if it would be possible to 
> }use this a a learning platform?
> 
> What speaks against this?  It'l be a little bit slow, but it should
> work.  I have had a machine with 4MB running Linux, sometimes as
> experimental nfs server, or experimental irc server, or http
> server.  (I think think this was the last job before I lost the Linux
> disk.)
> 
> But you'll be unable to install Debian on that machine, I suppose.  At
> least dselect want's to have much of RAM.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Joey
> 
> -- 
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> I dont understand if i cant install debian then which flavor of linux 
> would permit me to do the job?

"only" 4M isn't a problem; go ahead and do it.  Besides, the virtual
memory will kick in to give you more than 4 anyway . . .

but don't try to run X stuff :)

rick

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hello,

i would like to hear from others out there, the question is this, is it 
possible to load and install debian in 4mb of ram?

allan

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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> >Maybe - do this on a running tcsh whose pid is xxx:
> >
> >cat /proc/xxx/environ | xargs -0n1 | grep '^TERM='
> >
> >to see what tcsh was passed as the TERM.  It should be the same in the
> >actual shell.
> 
> I did this - the environ file is empty!!!  What could be wrong?

I doubt the file was empty.  You can't view it with less or something
because it stats as zero size.  Just cat it.  Use the xargs line to format
it nicely.

> Why will the problem go away - what's wrong with using the "-detach"
> option?

It'll still have a controlling terminal.  If you're using a shell
without job control (sh), it'll be in the same process group as the shell.


Guy

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

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>>One could make the uid of the account zero to achieve this without
>>making pppd setuid, though I can imagine this making people jump up
>>and down about security - can anyone think of an attack on this?
>
>If the user figures a way to change their shell, you're dead. 

Quite so.  Similarly if there's a way of running a shell under a uid
provided you know the appropriate password.  AFAICT su is safe against
this as long as pppd (or whatever script one uses) isn't in
/etc/shells.

I'd be very wary indeed of actually *trying* this!

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>On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
>> >Maybe - do this on a running tcsh whose pid is xxx:
>> >
>> >cat /proc/xxx/environ | xargs -0n1 | grep '^TERM='
>> >
>> >to see what tcsh was passed as the TERM.  It should be the same in the
>> >actual shell.
>> 
>> I did this - the environ file is empty!!!  What could be wrong?
>
>I doubt the file was empty.  You can't view it with less or something
>because it stats as zero size.  Just cat it.  Use the xargs line to format
>it nicely.

It really is empty!!  I'll paste in what I did:

# pwd
/proc/3
# ls
/usr/bin/color-ls: exe: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/color-ls: root: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/color-ls: cwd: No such file or directory
cmdline  environ  fd/      mem      stat     status
cwd@     exe@     maps|    root@    statm
# cat /proc/3/environ | xargs -0n1 | grep '^TERM='
# cat environ
#

>
>> Why will the problem go away - what's wrong with using the "-detach"
>> option?
>
>It'll still have a controlling terminal.  If you're using a shell
>without job control (sh), it'll be in the same process group as the shell.

But does this have anything to do with why the process regularly dies?
Surely having a controlling terminal doesn't do any harm?

Thank's for your help,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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I tried loading the new Debian Linux 1.1 on my Micron VL system here at home. 
It does the Loading ... and Uncompressing Linux OK.  It then prints about a
screenfull of messages, ending with a message about my third hard drive,
followed within about a second of what looks like some kind of dump.  The
interesting messages disappear so quickly that I can't make them out, even
after several attempts.  

The "dump" fills the screen with things like [<0010ffaa>], somewhat over a
screenfull at a time.  After about three seconds, it repeats, etc.  At this
point nothing I try on the keyboard does anything.  I have to hit the reset
button to get out.

I tried disabling everything I could think of in setup;  nothing made any
difference.

The same boot diskette works in an older 386-sx machine.  I don't have any
extra disk space on it so I aborted the load when it asked my to repartition
the disk.


The Micron system is a 486VL DX2-66, from July 1993 with the most recent BIOS
available from Micron.  It normally runs Windows 95 or Slackware 2.1 with a
1.2.13 kernel.  I recently tried the 2.0.0 kernel and it works mostly OK.



Here is the output of dmesg from the Slackware system:

Console: colour EGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 33.55 BogoMips
Serial driver version 4.11 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450
lp1 at 0x0378, using polling driver
snd3 <Pro AudioSpectrum 16 rev 127> at 0x388 irq 7 drq 3
snd2 <SoundBlaster 2.0> at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1
snd1 <Yamaha OPL-3 FM> at 0x388 irq 0 drq 0
hda: Maxtor 7345 AT, 329MB w/64KB Cache, CHS=790/15/57, MaxMult=32
hdb: Maxtor 7546 AT, 522MB w/256KB Cache, LBA, CHS=1060/16/63, MaxMult=16
hdc: WDC AC2850F, 814MB w/64KB Cache, LBA, CHS=1654/16/63, MaxMult=16
ide1: secondary interface on irq 15
ide0: primary interface on irq 14
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.2M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
scsi0 : at 0x0388 irq 10 options CAN_QUEUE=32  CMD_PER_LUN=2 release=3 generic o
ptions AUTOPROBE_IRQ AUTOSENSE PSEUDO DMA UNSAFE  generic release=6
scsi0 : Pro Audio Spectrum-16 SCSI
scsi : 1 host.
  Vendor: NEC       Model: CD-ROM DRIVE:84   Rev: 1.0 
  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 01
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, id 4, lun 0
scsi : detected 1 SCSI cdrom total.
Memory: 14792k/16384k available (672k kernel code, 384k reserved, 536k data)
This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good.
Swansea University Computer Society NET3.019
Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.019
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
PPP: version 0.2.7 (4 channels) NEW_TTY_DRIVERS OPTIMIZE_FLAGS
TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
PPP line discipline registered.
Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
Linux version 1.2.13 (root@plaid) (gcc version 2.7.0) #4 Sun Jan 28 00:31:09 EST
 1996
Partition check:
  hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4
  hdb: hdb1 hdb2
  hdc: hdc1 hdc4
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
UMSDOS Beta 0.6 (compatibility level 0.4, fast msdos)
Max size:313058   Log zone size:2048
First datazone:20   Root inode number 40960
Adding Swap: 9996k swap-space
ppp: channel ppp0 mtu = 1500, mru = 1500
ppp: channel ppp0 open



I have tried just about everything I can think of, short of pulling out
hardware.  Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,
Ted Haines

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Hi,

What is the minimal set of packages needed to get nfs working (other
than the base packages)?

I have the debian packages on one computer and I want to install
debian 1.1 on another computer connected to the first via ethernet.
What packages do I need to install before the new debian system can
access the filesystem of the system with the debian packages on it?

Thanks,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

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hello,

i was wondering about alternatives to the apache server, cern ncsa and 
others and why is everyone using apache now?

allan

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Mark Phillips writes:
> What is the minimal set of packages needed to get nfs working (other
> than the base packages)?

netbase and netstd. netstd needs cpp/gcc to install.

Michael

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ALLAN W. BART writes:
 > 
 > hello,
 > 
 > i would like to hear from others out there, the question is this, is it 
 > possible to load and install debian in 4mb of ram?
 > 
 > allan

Absolutely.  As said, console-only.  I've installed 0.93, run it,
upgraded to 1.1 and run it in 4M.  Standard 16M of swap, though I've
never filled that.  As of not long ago, Bruce's installation testbed was
a 386 with 4M, and he repeatedly tweaked the install to deal with
possible issues people encountered on 4M machines.  

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> 
> I recently upgraded our system to 1.1.  Now, when I run xbiff, I get:
> 
> Warning: Cannot convert string "flagup" to type Pixmap
> Warning: Cannot convert string "flagdown" to type Pixmap
> 
> And a silly pixmap of shelves or something is shown instead of the
> mailbox pixmap.

Strange.....

Could you mail me (privately) the output of
   dpkg -l
on your system? Especially your version of xaw3d interests me:
an old version _used_ to cause this problem, but not the current
version.

Release xaw3d-1.2a-4 (and -3) should be OK.

If you do have xaw3d installed, could you also send me the output
of
  ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm

(this should list Xaw being loaded at the start, and _not_
(also) at the end, or both start and end).

If you do have xaw3d installed, could you try removing it,
and checking what the effect is?


Thanks, 
 your xaw3d maintainer who thought he fixed the problem,

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Hi all,

Some dos oriented machines can acces my Debian box via a wd network
card connected via coax. For some time this went pretty well, the login
prompt showed up in 1 or 2 seconds. This isn't the case anymore, it takes
approx 15 to 30 seconds before the login prompt shows up. any body having
a clue why this is taking so long?

Erick

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Erick Branderhorst wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Some dos oriented machines can acces my Debian box via a wd network
> card connected via coax. For some time this went pretty well, the login
> prompt showed up in 1 or 2 seconds. This isn't the case anymore, it takes
> approx 15 to 30 seconds before the login prompt shows up. any body having
> a clue why this is taking so long?
> 
> Erick

Here's a clue:

I built a 2.0.0 kernel that used dynamically loadable modules whereever
possible. I get delays during system startup and sometimes when I use
other network-related processes. It's not killing me, but I will be
getting around to building kernels that are "tuned" for the typical role
of each machine. I haven't analyzed it, but suspect that some longer
delays are caused because more than a single kernel module needs to be
loaded. This is just an opinion based on disk sound. 


Paul Wade - Greenbush Systems

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I just upgraded a box from 0.93 to 1.1... I logged into my account there
(which is tcsh) and when I tried to start up elm to read my email,
elm tells me that my TERM variable is not set. The output of 'env'
shows there is not TERM variable, but there *is* a line that just
shows 'ux'. Going to another machine and doing the same thing shows
that the 'ux' line reads 'TERM=linux' there... does this help
anyone?

Tim

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In your email to me, ' ALLAN W. BART, you wrote:
> 
> i was wondering about alternatives to the apache server, cern ncsa and 
> others and why is everyone using apache now?

Everyone's not! :)  Apache became popular because it was fast. I used it
for a while. For the ISP I run though, I switched to Spinner. Although
this is still beta, I have a stable version which performs better than
Apache in my configuration. The configuration method is via your browser
(like Netscape has), and doesn't need 10-15 copies of itself forked off
to maintain performance under load..

Tim

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I installed the beta a few weeks ago.  I realize that there's a procedure
to upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1, but is there a procedure to upgrade from
the 1.1 beta to 1.1, or do I just grab the packages and Packages.gz?
Will dselect ugrade everything, including dselect itself and the files
that were originally installed from the 5 disks?

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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> It really is empty!!  I'll paste in what I did:
> 
> # pwd
> /proc/3
> # ls
> /usr/bin/color-ls: exe: No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/color-ls: root: No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/color-ls: cwd: No such file or directory
> cmdline  environ  fd/      mem      stat     status
> cwd@     exe@     maps|    root@    statm
> # cat /proc/3/environ | xargs -0n1 | grep '^TERM='
> # cat environ
> #

Somehow I doubt the pid of your shell is 3.  Type 'echo $$'.  Use that
number as the pid.

> >> Why will the problem go away - what's wrong with using the "-detach"
> >> option?
> >
> >It'll still have a controlling terminal.  If you're using a shell
> >without job control (sh), it'll be in the same process group as the shell.
> 
> But does this have anything to do with why the process regularly dies?
> Surely having a controlling terminal doesn't do any harm?

I thought it was dying because of SIGHUPs or something when you exited
the shell.  If it's dying for some other reason, check
/var/adm/messages.  I think there's some option you can set in
/etc/ppp/options to make it very verbose?


Guy

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> > Where is the included dpkg-ftp??  It doesn't appear to be in
> > dpkg1-2-6

It's in /debian/project/experimental


Guy

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, David Gaudine wrote:

> Will dselect ugrade everything, including dselect itself and the files
> that were originally installed from the 5 disks?

yes

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> Hi,
> 
> What is the minimal set of packages needed to get nfs working (other
> than the base packages)?
> 
> I have the debian packages on one computer and I want to install
> debian 1.1 on another computer connected to the first via ethernet.
> What packages do I need to install before the new debian system can
> access the filesystem of the system with the debian packages on it?

netstd will definitely do it, but that might be more than you need.  

Just as a hunch:  using alt-f2 gives you a (restricted) shell.  boot the
first two disks, copy over the nfs module, activate it with insmod, and
then try mounting the file system.

if that doesn't work, go through the base install, and try mounting nfs.


failing that, netstd will definitely do it.  I don't know if you need to
uncomment the start-stops in /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs or not . . .

(Now why didn't i think of that first method yesterday when i was doing
a clean install on the 2d machine???)

rick

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, David Gaudine wrote:

> 
> I installed the beta a few weeks ago.  I realize that there's a procedure
> to upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1, but is there a procedure to upgrade from
> the 1.1 beta to 1.1, or do I just grab the packages and Packages.gz?
> Will dselect ugrade everything, including dselect itself and the files
> that were originally installed from the 5 disks?
> 
I might suggest that you upgrade base first, devel second, and then go for
the rest. If you used dselect for you upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 you should
have no trouble with this move. If you used my script to do the first
upgrade, just run it again. It knows when a package is already installed
and only installs the upgrades.

Luck,

Dwarf

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> > I recently upgraded our system to 1.1.  Now, when I run xbiff, I get:
> > 
> > Warning: Cannot convert string "flagup" to type Pixmap
> > Warning: Cannot convert string "flagdown" to type Pixmap
> > 
> > And a silly pixmap of shelves or something is shown instead of the
> > mailbox pixmap.
> 
> Strange.....

The problem was really trivial.  Xbiff just couldn't find the flagup and
flagdown bitmaps.  The package that contains xbiff (xcontrib) does not
have these bitmaps (I think it should though). xdevel does contain these
bitmaps. After installing xdevel, all works again. 

Perhaps this should be reported as a bug.

Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net

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Hi, 

	I seem to be having a lot of trouble installing or removing
the kernel image/header/source packages. dpkg fails, and then the
packages get marked as needing reinstallation before they can be
configured or removed. This happened with both the 1.99.7 and the
2.0.0 packages :-( 

	I tried to forcibly remove the 1.99.7 package(s) using
-force-remove-reinstreq, and most of the files were removed, but
dselect still considers the packages to be brokenly installed. How can
I get them to go away? 

Here's what happens when I try to install 2.0.0 

# dpkg --install kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb 
Selecting previously deselected package kernel-source-2.0.0.
(Reading database ... 27285 files and directories currently
installed.)
Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.0 (from kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb) ...
Setting up kernel-source-2.0.0 ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.0 (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 kernel-source-2.0.0

(Same error message when I'm dealing with the image or the headers.) 

This is on a Debian 1.1 system initially installed a few days before
the official release, and then upgraded after the release
happened. All of the other packages I installed have behaved just
fine. 

I'd really appreciate any thoughts on how to fix this. 

Thanks, 

-Arup

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> > Will dselect ugrade everything, including dselect itself and the files
> > that were originally installed from the 5 disks?

> yes

in fact, once you have your Packages updated, it *defaults* to updating
everything, as well as everything it thinks you should have.

rick

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I strongly suspect that there are how-to's for this, but i have no idea
what the names are . . . so even a pointer would help.


There are two types of foreing file systems we have interest in
mounting.  The first are thte novell type used by our departmental
servers.  I recall such options in the kernel, but then what? I would
need to automate the logon to the servers.

The second is the AFS file system for the campuswide workstations.  I
would like to both get acces to things such as man pages, and to the
individual student direcotories, allowing editing on linux, and
compile/execute on an alpha.

where do i look?

thanks

rick

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Has anyone noticed that today ftp.debian.org is being particularly vicious
about booting people from the server?

I go to /pub/debian/buzz/bianry-i386/base and do a mget * and I don't get
any further than diff before the connection is dropped.

Pretty rude.  And it said I was user 50 out of 100 when I logged in

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

[Wants to be able to mount Novell and AFS filesystems on Linux.]

> The second is the AFS file system for the campuswide workstations.  I

	Linux-AFS is apparently somewhat arcane at the moment.  There's
a (very) limited amount of information on AFS on Transarc's AFS homepage 

http://www.transarc.com/afs/transarc.com/public/www/Product/AFS/FAQ/faq.html

basically, Transarc acknowledges the existence of the AFS port to Linux, 
but they don't distribute or support it.  About the extent of their page 
is to mention the mailing list (linux-afs@mit.edu).  Send mail to 
linux-afs-request@mit.edu to sign on; I joined it a couple of days ago 
myself.  Only a couple of messages have come across it since, one saying 
that a port to the 2.0.0 kernel will be worked on soon.  (And it could be 
a really big help to me when it arrives.)  I can't provide more than just 
this pointer, because I'm a total newbie to the Linux-AFS thing.


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Hi,

I installed Debian 1.1 in my Cyrix 586 and other than my Ethernet access
everything seems to be doing well. While I am in M$ Windows, Netware
installs ok and reports the NIC with IRQ=5, DMA=3, Port=2E0 (the same if I
just use the MSD.EXE program under the windows directory).

I added the following lines to /etc/conf.modules

        alias eth0 ne
        options ne io=0x2E0 irq=5

However if I run 'depmod -a; modprobe eth0' modprobe complains saying that
there is no NE*000 device in that address. How shall I interpret the
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It appears that the site hosting the AfterStep pages is down-- AfterStep  
being the NeXTSTEP like window manager taken one step beyond bowman.

Anyway;  anyone have a mirror of the site available?  Or the source to the  
latest version?  Or a binary?

Also;  is it relatively easy to create debian packages?  If so, I'd  
consider putting together a 'install this and you'll have a usable,  
relatively powerful, bowman/afterstep based X environment' package.

thanks,
b.bum

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   Dear Mr. Hawkins:

   Re your need for Novell connectivity, I'm acquainted with two
packages of interest (neither Debianized yet):

   ncpfs (Netware Core Protocol Filesystem) makes your Linux box a
Novell client.  I got version 0.21 running with minimial hassle last
week, on my 0.93R6 box; I think the code's up to 0.24 now---it's a
fast-moving target.  I can read and write disks, which is everything
desired; I'm a happy camper.  An old LSM entry is:

	Title:          ncpfs
	Version:        0.17
	Entered-date:   29. February 1996
	Description:    With ncpfs you can mount volumes of your netware
			server under Linux. You can also print to netware
			print queues and spool netware print queues to the
			Linux printing system. You need kernel 1.2.x or
			1.3.54 and above. ncpfs does NOT work with any 1.3.x
			kernel below 1.3.54.
	Keywords:       filesystem ncp novell netware printing
	Author:         lendecke@namu01.gwdg.de (Volker Lendecke)
	Maintained-by:  lendecke@namu01.gwdg.de (Volker Lendecke)
	Primary-site:   linux01.gwdg.de:/pub/ncpfs
	Alternate-site: sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/system/Filesystems/
			   ~81k ncpfs-0.17.tgz
			   ~ 1k ncpfs-0.17.lsm
	Copying-policy: GPL

   mars-nwe (???-NetWare Emulator) lets your Linux box be a server to
NetWare clients.  I have no further info on it since that's not
anything I need.

   You can join the Linware mailing list for more info on either:

            To join, send mail to "listserv@sh.cvut.cz" with the following
            command in the body of your email message:

                add <your email address> linware


   Hope this helps.


			    Sincerely yours,


					Max Hyre

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>    Re your need for Novell connectivity, I'm acquainted with two
> packages of interest (neither Debianized yet):
> 
>    ncpfs (Netware Core Protocol Filesystem) makes your Linux box a
> Novell client.  I got version 0.21 running with minimial hassle last
> week, on my 0.93R6 box; I think the code's up to 0.24 now---it's a
> fast-moving target.  I can read and write disks, which is everything
> desired; I'm a happy camper.  An old LSM entry is:

Ncpfs *is* available as a Debian package.

Gerry

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I've got a very nice Apple laser printer (PS 4/600) which has just a
localtalk interface.  My Linux box doesn't---can anybody help?  The (brief)
documentation for the netatalk driver seems to indicate that I could print
to such a printer, but I'm not obviouly not very clear on that.  And how do
I wire up a cable to connect them?  I'm running Debian 1.1 with a 2.0.0
kernel.

Any pointers will be very appreciated!

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   Dear Mr. Jensen:

> Ncpfs *is* available as a Debian package.

   You mean I compiled and monkeyed with it for nothing :-)?  Oh,
well....

			    Max Hyre

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> It appears that the site hosting the AfterStep pages is down-- AfterStep  
> being the NeXTSTEP like window manager taken one step beyond bowman.

Check out:

	http://mango.sfasu.edu/~frank/afterstep/

> Anyway;  anyone have a mirror of the site available?  Or the source to the  
> latest version?  Or a binary?

At the moment, everything you need can be ftped from:

	ftp://oak.sfasu.edu/pub/AfterStep
 
> Also;  is it relatively easy to create debian packages?  If so, I'd  
> consider putting together a 'install this and you'll have a usable,  
> relatively powerful, bowman/afterstep based X environment' package.

Interesting that you should mention that...  I have basically finished an
AfterStep package myself and will try to get it uploaded tonight.  At the
moment, it just comes with the author's default system.steprc, which may or
may not be the best starting setup for the typical Debian user.

I would certainly be interested in help designing a good configuration
system and just generally working on the package.  If you are interested,
Bill, please send me some e-mail.

In answer to the question of how hard it is to create Debian packages, it's
really not that hard.  You just need to know a little bit about make and maybe
shell/perl scripting, and there are plenty of examples to look at and learn
from.  It just took me most of a Saturday afternoon to go from ftping the
packaging guidelines and the "hello" package to having my first installable
package.

I hope that this helps.

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> boot the first two disks, copy over the nfs module, activate it with insmod,
> and then try mounting the file system.

You're going to have to load your net card module and run "ifconfig"
and "route" by hand if you try to do it from the boot floppy. When
you're done, Please write us a script to do this - we need to support
this installation mode.

However, installing the base and rebooting is a much easier way to go
if you don't mind writing three disks.

I've never tried the "tiny mount" on the boot floppy with NFS. I'd be
interested in hearing if it works. It is a separate program from the "mount"
you get once you install the base system.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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From: Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu>
> Has anyone noticed that today ftp.debian.org is being particularly vicious
> about booting people from the server?

Try debian.crosslink.net or one of the other mirrors. Ftp.debian.org is
having some problems with running out of file descriptors, etc. We are
working on the problem.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hi,

Thank's to all the people who have helped me recently.  Every time I
solve one problem, another appears.

I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work.  To find out
what was going on, I ran route and got:

# route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface


and then route just hung.

When pppd was not connected, I got:

# route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
localnet        *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0 1 eth0
127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0 6 lo
default         *               0.0.0.0         U     1      0 12 eth0

or, doing route -n:

# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
192.1.1.0       0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0 1 eth0
127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U     0      0 6 lo
0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     1      0 12 eth0


I tried several things to try and get it to work.  Previously ppp had
worked when I had nothing in my /etc/modules file, so I tried
commenting out the entries and rebooted.  PPP now works (as you can
see by the fact that I am typing this), however I think ppp working is
the result of a side effect: namely, that as a result my local
ethernet network wasn't setup.  If I now type route, before running
pppd, I get:

# route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
localhost       *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0 2 lo

And with pppd running I get:

# route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
localhost       *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0 2 lo
annex05.cc.flin *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0 0 ppp0
default         annex05.cc.flin 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0 3 ppp0



So the question is: what is wrong?  Why can't I run the ethernet
network and pppd at the same time?  I could with my old slackware
system.


Thank's for your help,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)

P.S.  I'm not convinced it is a problem with the ethernet network
because I think (but am not sure) that I may have previously had a
debian system working with both pppd and ethernet running
simultaneously, though, if I remember rightly, I routed ethernet
manually that time.

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Jeffery S. Coy, Jr. writes:

>i just installed the aout-svgalib-1.28-6.deb package, and noticed it
>installs to /usr/i486-linuxaout rather than /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout, so
>the system can't find it.

No, /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib is the correct place; I'd expect the
problem to be something else.  I don't really have time to maintain
the svgalib packages any more and it would be good if someone else
would take over.

>i tried writing the maintainer (richard@uk.geeks.org), but the host
>appears not to exist.

Circumstances beyond my control and all that, I'm afraid.  I hadn't
realized that that address had made its way into package maintainer
fields.

We do have a bug tracking system for a good reason, BTW.

- Richard

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I have had the same problem, I think, for some time. After
connecting to my isp's dialup with ppp route will just hang
as Mark mentioned. I have just merrily ignored it and manually
typed 'route add -net default ppp0' and then it works. Not a
big inconvienence, but I have been curious why this happens.
I do have defaultroute in my /etc/ppp/options.

Eric Hoeltzel (erick@sequim.com)


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thank's to all the people who have helped me recently.  Every time I
> solve one problem, another appears.
> 
> I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work.  To find out
> what was going on, I ran route and got:
> 
> # route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> 
> 
> and then route just hung.
> 
> When pppd was not connected, I got:
> 
> # route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> localnet        *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0 1 eth0
> 127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0 6 lo
> default         *               0.0.0.0         U     1      0 12 eth0
> 
> or, doing route -n:
> 
> # route -n
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> 192.1.1.0       0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0 1 eth0
> 127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U     0      0 6 lo
> 0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     1      0 12 eth0
> 
> 
> I tried several things to try and get it to work.  Previously ppp had
> worked when I had nothing in my /etc/modules file, so I tried
> commenting out the entries and rebooted.  PPP now works (as you can
> see by the fact that I am typing this), however I think ppp working is
> the result of a side effect: namely, that as a result my local
> ethernet network wasn't setup.  If I now type route, before running
> pppd, I get:
> 
> # route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> localhost       *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0 2 lo
> 
> And with pppd running I get:
> 
> # route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> localhost       *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0 2 lo
> annex05.cc.flin *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0 0 ppp0
> default         annex05.cc.flin 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0 3 ppp0
> 
> 
> 
> So the question is: what is wrong?  Why can't I run the ethernet
> network and pppd at the same time?  I could with my old slackware
> system.
> 
> 
> Thank's for your help,
> 
> Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)
> 
> P.S.  I'm not convinced it is a problem with the ethernet network
> because I think (but am not sure) that I may have previously had a
> debian system working with both pppd and ethernet running
> simultaneously, though, if I remember rightly, I routed ethernet
> manually that time.
> 
> 

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My problem, since upgrading is similiar.  I get the prompt, enter username
and password and then wait.  It seems to be account related.  I can go to
other virtual terminals and log in as other users, but if I try the same
user, that
terminal will also hang.  Typicall hang times seem to be as bad as 30 seconds.

Note, I almost always log in as root, so my problem may be root specific.

                Jim

At 08:26 AM 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Erick Branderhorst wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Some dos oriented machines can acces my Debian box via a wd network
>> card connected via coax. For some time this went pretty well, the login
>> prompt showed up in 1 or 2 seconds. This isn't the case anymore, it takes
>> approx 15 to 30 seconds before the login prompt shows up. any body having
>> a clue why this is taking so long?
>> 
>> Erick
>
>Here's a clue:
>
>I built a 2.0.0 kernel that used dynamically loadable modules whereever
>possible. I get delays during system startup and sometimes when I use
>other network-related processes. It's not killing me, but I will be
>getting around to building kernels that are "tuned" for the typical role
>of each machine. I haven't analyzed it, but suspect that some longer
>delays are caused because more than a single kernel module needs to be
>loaded. This is just an opinion based on disk sound. 
>
>
>Paul Wade - Greenbush Systems
>
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Jim Rush wrote:
> 
> My problem, since upgrading is similiar.  I get the prompt, enter username
> and password and then wait.  It seems to be account related.  I can go to
> other virtual terminals and log in as other users, but if I try the same
> user, that
> terminal will also hang.  Typicall hang times seem to be as bad as 30 seconds.
> 
> Note, I almost always log in as root, so my problem may be root specific.
> 
>                 Jim
> 

Let me clarify what I did:

	I downloaded the new kernel from Finland before it was mirrored
in the US. I built it, booted it and got the new delays. I usually log
in via telnet from a Windoze system and then su to root with no delay.
If you have an user account that responds fast, log in with it and then
su root. It will be interesting to see if you get the delay on root that
way.

Paul Wade - Greenbush Systems

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I'd like to continue to have a working perl binary without installing
the full package; disk space is a big issue.  The base set of 0.93 gave
me perl 5.001m as /usr/bin/perl (and /bin/perl symlinked to it).  To
dpkg it's orphaned; and I can't dig up an old Contents file now to see
if any old package 'fesses up.  All of the 'base' packages on my system
are current, but I still have that a.out perl and nothing more recent.

This has become a foreground issue since kernel-package requires perl
5.002.  Do I have to install the whole perl package, or can I get a
no-frills, dpkg-recognized 5.002 binary?  (and then force-depends
kernel-package?  Or can I just force it now?  I'm presuming Manoj had
his reasons.)

Does everybody else just have the perl package installed?  :-)

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PPS - Congratulations, Bruce and everybody, on Debian 1.1.  Thanks.

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Richard Kettlewell writes:
> Jeffery S. Coy, Jr. writes:
> >i just installed the aout-svgalib-1.28-6.deb package, and noticed it
> >installs to /usr/i486-linuxaout rather than /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout, so
> >the system can't find it.
> 
> No, /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib is the correct place; I'd expect the
> problem to be something else.  I don't really have time to maintain
> the svgalib packages any more and it would be good if someone else
> would take over.

This is partly my fault.  In the last libc4 package, I moved libdb.so*
from /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib to /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout.  I did this
so users who didn't install any a.out development packages
(eg. libc4-dev, aout-gcc, etc.) wouldn't have a /usr/i486-linuxaout
directory cluttering up /usr.

David
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I was wondering why the Packages file in ..debian/buzz/binary still lists 
the 1.99.7 kernel image and source. Below is an excerpt from the Packages
file:

-r--r--r--   1 67       1002      316306 Jun 15 00:18 Packages

-----------------------------------------------------------
Package: kernel-image-1.99.7
priority: required
section: base
maintainer: Simon Shapiro  <Shimon@i-connect.net>
version: 1.99.7-0
provides: kernel-image
filename: buzz/binary-i386/base/kernel-image-1.99.7-0.deb
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size: 1884714
md5sum: a7058b10b3886a09048a2b3cf2f8303f
description: Linux kernel binary image.
architecture: i386
source: kernel-source-1.99.7

Package: kernel-source-1.99.7
priority: standard
section: devel    
-----------------------------------------------------------

When I attempt to update packages in dselect, I do not see the 2.0 kernel,
but I also have a broken installation of the 1.99.7 packages.

Is the broken installation of 1.99.7 the reason I cannot "see" the 2.0
kernel, or is it because of the entries in the Packages file?

TIA,
dL

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Hi,

On 19-Jun-96 dlauder@acsworld.net wrote:

>>I was wondering why the Packages file in ..debian/buzz/binary still lists 
>the 1.99.7 kernel image and source. Below is an excerpt from the Packages
>file:
>
>-r--r--r--   1 67       1002      316306 Jun 15 00:18 Packages

I think that that is the problem. The package file is from June the
15th, but the new kernel image is from June the 16th. The same for
some other packages newer than June the 15th.  I guess the Packages
file is outdated and should be updated.

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I'm running a 1.1 system upgraded from 0.93R6.  I'm trying to compile
CNS kerberos, and it is failing to link telnet due to the '-ltermcap'.
This worked under 0.93R6.  I see that termcap-compat provides a .so,
but no .sa, and I think that is a.out anyway.  ncurses3 seems to
provide termcap man pages and headers, but no libtermcap.  Do I just
need to remove -ltermcap and add -lcurses or something like that, or
am I missing some termcap functionality?  Any hints would be greatly
appreciated.  (All else is working smoothly.)

	Greg Troxel <gdt@work.lexort.com>

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Heiko Schlittermann wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> since I've experienced some problems when I used `Packages'
> (.../binary/Packages) files which weren't in sync with the corresponding
> *.deb files and since I asked twice for a tool to create these Packages
> files from scratch and since I got no answer ... I made a first
> attempt to write this tool (and I'm sure, that I reinvented the wheel).

You might want to look into dpkg-scanpackages...   

  Christian


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I ran a Packages file update yesterday but it apparently did not complete.
I am running one now.

	Bruce

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Hal Brand wrote:

> I'd like to install the latest Debian on a new SCSI disk (just partitioned).
> I already have Linux running from a second SCSI disk. I'd like to avoid
> the hassles of boot floppies, etc. as I already have a working Linux
> running. (Note: my Linux is kernel 2.0.0, a.out, manually upgraded from
> SLS Linux kernel 0.93. I'm tired of manual upgrades so I'd like to
> go to Debian and ELF in one shot). I haven't found any documentation
> on installing Debian without using boot floppies. Can anyone provide
> assistance (including pointers to documentation)?
> 
Try the base...tar.gz file (in the disks section). Untar it onto your
partition, set up a kernel and lilo (or whatever boot method you use) ,
edit passwd and modules, inittab and fstab to fit your conditions and you
should have a base system you can boot into and install the rest of the
packages.

Luck,

Dwarf

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> 
> Hello,
> 
> i have started to download the disks, i see that there have been somme 
> changes made in the system, there are also different directories, one 
> current and the other with a set date i take it that both of them are stable?

go to Debian-1.1.  It is a symlink.  Come to think of it, so is current,
but i can't remember whether it is to the latest stable or the latest
unstable . . .

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Heiko Schlittermann wrote:

> since I've experienced some problems when I used `Packages'
> (.../binary/Packages) files which weren't in sync with the corresponding
> *.deb files and since I asked twice for a tool to create these Packages
> files from scratch and since I got no answer ... I made a first
> attempt to write this tool (and I'm sure, that I reinvented the wheel).

/usr/sbin/dpkg-scanpackages

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Dale Scheetz writes:
> > My problem, since upgrading is similiar.  I get the prompt, enter username
> > and password and then wait.  It seems to be account related.  I can go to
> > other virtual terminals and log in as other users, but if I try the same
> > user, that
> > terminal will also hang.  Typicall hang times seem to be as bad as 30 seconds.
> > 
> > Note, I almost always log in as root, so my problem may be root specific.
> 
> I had this same problem on my R6 system, even after upgrading base and
> devel the problem continued. After upgrading some of the admin (I don't
> remember which, but cron was among them) packages, the problem went away.
> Seems to be some longwinded bookkeeping going on.
> 
> Try upgrading the admin section and see if that fixes it.

Not the complete section. Just sysklogd. This seems to be the well known
sysklog problem again. Simply removing the /dev/xconsole in /etc/syslog.conf
may work, too.

Michael

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David Engel writes:
>Richard Kettlewell writes:
>>Jeffery S. Coy, Jr. writes:
>>>i just installed the aout-svgalib-1.28-6.deb package, and noticed it
>>>installs to /usr/i486-linuxaout rather than /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout, so
>>>the system can't find it.
>>
>>No, /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib is the correct place; I'd expect the
>>problem to be something else.  I don't really have time to maintain
>>the svgalib packages any more and it would be good if someone else
>>would take over.
>
>This is partly my fault.  In the last libc4 package, I moved libdb.so*
>from /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib to /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout.  I did this
>so users who didn't install any a.out development packages
>(eg. libc4-dev, aout-gcc, etc.) wouldn't have a /usr/i486-linuxaout
>directory cluttering up /usr.

Oh.  I wasn't aware of the change, though I think it a good one.  If
it was announced anywhere then I missed it.  It would have been a good
idea to tell the runtime linker to continue searching the old place,
though.  Doing this should be an adequate workaround for the time
being, I believe.

I think I've quite a bit of catching up to do on change file formats,
package uploads and so on, so (if no-one else does the job) it could
be a while before an updated version appears.

- Richard

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I just checked the packages.gz in contrib and buzz on
sun10.sep.bnl.gov (in contrib packages.gz is newer than the most recent 
package there!) and on some other most uptodate-mirrors. Both packages.gz
don't reflect, what's in the directories for real.
But I noticed at least in contrib, that there are ".new-packages"-files
with the rest of the stuff. What's it for? I need packages.gz and cannot
use this stuff. 

Michael Gaertner <gaertnem@ruf.uni-freiburg.de>
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> I'd like to install the latest Debian on a new SCSI disk (just partitioned).
> I already have Linux running from a second SCSI disk. I'd like to avoid
> the hassles of boot floppies, etc. as I already have a working Linux
> running. (Note: my Linux is kernel 2.0.0, a.out, manually upgraded from
> SLS Linux kernel 0.93. I'm tired of manual upgrades so I'd like to
> go to Debian and ELF in one shot). I haven't found any documentation
> on installing Debian without using boot floppies. Can anyone provide
> assistance (including pointers to documentation)?

that tar solution a couple back sounds great.  that's what i'll try next
time.  the filename is "base1_1.tgz".  

what i've been doing as a partial solution is putting base1_1.tgz in the
file system, and booting from the first two disks.  These find tha
base1_1.tgz file if it is in the first two levels of the mounted
filesystem.

rick

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Hello,

i have started to download the disks, i see that there have been somme 
changes made in the system, there are also different directories, one 
current and the other with a set date i take it that both of them are stable?

allan

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Greg Troxel wrote:

> Do I just
> need to remove -ltermcap and add -lcurses or something like that

Close - remove -ltermcap and add -lncurses.  The termcap-compat package
is for binaries you can't recompile, so it only has the shared lib.


Guy

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Christian Hudon wrote:
: 
: > files from scratch and since I got no answer ... I made a first
: > attempt to write this tool (and I'm sure, that I reinvented the wheel).
: 
: You might want to look into dpkg-scanpackages...   


Uhhm ... it's true, I reinvented the wheel :-/


Ok, Thanks.
[ so it was at least a good exercise programming perl ]

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Bruce Perens writes:
 > I ran a Packages file update yesterday but it apparently did not complete.
 > I am running one now.

That should be a pretty popular download.  What worries me is whether
the market is going to be flooded with CDROMs with bad Packages files.
With Slackware that always seems to be a problem; the moment a new
release is announced everyone wants to be the first to release a CD,
without waiting a few days for last-minute fixes.

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Hi,

I'm trying to get a hold on the file net-modules.txt. Where does it leave? I
saw a message refering to "Documentation/networking/net-modules.txt" in the
"Kernel-source" directory. Where is that? Do I have to download the 6 Mb
kernel source tar file? If so, I'd appreciate if someone can e-mail me the
net-modules.txt file instead.

(Shouldn't this file leave in /usr/doc/module, after the base system is
installed?)

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>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:52:53 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:

  Mark> I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work.  To
  Mark> find out what was going on, I ran route and got: [...]

There is a `defaultroute' option for pppd.  You might want to try
fiddling with that in /etc/ppp/options and see if it does something.
In any case, you should be able to put any `route' commands you need
in the /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down} scripts.  This would be just a kluge but
it would work, I guess.  Not that I have actually ever tried something
like this, nor that I know anything about routing :)

kai
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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Hoeltzel <erick@sequim.sequim.com> writes:

Eric> I have had the same problem, I think, for some time. After
Eric> connecting to my isp's dialup with ppp route will just hang as
Eric> Mark mentioned. I have just merrily ignored it and manually
Eric> typed 'route add -net default ppp0' and then it works. Not a big
Eric> inconvienence, but I have been curious why this happens.  I do
Eric> have defaultroute in my /etc/ppp/options.

Eric> Eric Hoeltzel (erick@sequim.com)

Try doing a "route -n".  This will list the routing table numerically
- if you have no route to the nameserver listed in /etc/resolv.conf,
then you can at least still get some feedback on routes that DO
exist.  Sorry that I can't help on your REAL problem of getting
default routes right...

Later,
	Dale



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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Greg Troxel wrote:

> I'm running a 1.1 system upgraded from 0.93R6.  I'm trying to compile
> CNS kerberos, and it is failing to link telnet due to the '-ltermcap'.
> This worked under 0.93R6.  I see that termcap-compat provides a .so,
> but no .sa, and I think that is a.out anyway.  ncurses3 seems to
> provide termcap man pages and headers, but no libtermcap.  Do I just
> need to remove -ltermcap and add -lcurses or something like that, or
> am I missing some termcap functionality?  Any hints would be greatly
> appreciated.  (All else is working smoothly.)
> 
Replacing -ltermcap with -lncurses should work fine.

Luck,

Dwarf

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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Konold <zxmmz01@fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

Martin> On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Larry Riedel wrote:
>>  I am using the boot floppy from the 1.1 distribution.  I have an
>> ASUS P55T2P4 (Triton II) motherboard with the ASUS SCSI adaptor
>> (NCR 53c8x0) and a generic ISA VGA video card.  The motherboard has
>> an onboard floppy controller, etc.
>> 
>> Here is a piece of the boot messages:
>> 
>> NCR53c406a: no available ports found PPA: unable to initialise
>> controller at 0x378, error 2 scsi : 0 hosts.  scsi : detected total
>> 

Martin> This is NOT the driver for a NCR53c810 Chip used on ASUS SC200
Martin> etc.  There is currently no support in Debian for this
Martin> actually popular card.

Martin> YOurs, -- martin

If you have a kernel with the support you need, it's actually pretty
easy to convert the boot disk to use your kernel.  The boot disk is in
DOS format, and kernel is a file called "linux" or something like that
on the boot disk.  You simply copy your own kernel image over tht
file, run "rdev.sh" on it, and off you go.  I've not seen a list of
EXACTLY what support your kernel must have, and what can and can't be
modules.  What I did was compile in support for (not modules):

ramdisks
ext2
minix
umsdos
msdos

Plus all of the other things I normally use as far as device drivers,
etc.  DON'T put in "ext" support - there is a bug in the installation
(which I've reported) if you have this support in there.

Hope this helps.  Make sure you read the docs on the boot disk, the
installation FAQ etc.  The information I've provided isn't nearly
enough to be a complete explanation.

Later,
	Dale

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>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:52:53 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:
>
>  Mark> I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work.  To
>  Mark> find out what was going on, I ran route and got: [...]
>
>There is a `defaultroute' option for pppd.  You might want to try
>fiddling with that in /etc/ppp/options and see if it does something.

I do use this option.

I would like to solve this problem, but in the mean time, can someone
please tell me what I should do to manually setup the routing table
correctly.  Thanks.


Mark.

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> > i have started to download the disks, i see that there have been somme 
> > changes made in the system, there are also different directories, one 
> > current and the other with a set date i take it that both of them are stable?
> 
> go to Debian-1.1.  It is a symlink.  Come to think of it, so is current,
> but i can't remember whether it is to the latest stable or the latest
> unstable . . .

"current" is meant to be a symlink to the latest date of the disks.  Everything
under the buzz directory won't change from now on as (I think?) 1.1 has been
released and done.  The unstable directory is basically an exact copy of
the buzz directory, but that's where the newer packages will go and where
1.2 is now being developed (that's right - we don't stop working) :-)

...Karl
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I had memory errors that caused my system to hang several times.  Each
time fsck made a bunch of corrections.  During all this I appear to
have lost files that mirror needs to function.

When I run mirror I get this:

# mirror -d -d -d -d debian
Undefined subroutine &Socket::PF_INET called at
   /usr/bin/../lib/mirror/lchat.pl line 42. 

When I try to re-install mirror I get no errors but when I try to
reinstall perl I get:

# dpkg -i devel/perl-5.002-10.deb
(Reading database ... 16006 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace perl (using devel/perl-5.002-10.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement perl ...
dpkg: error processing devel/perl-5.002-10.deb (--install):
 unable to make backup link of `usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux/5.002/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a' before installing new version: Too many links
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mv: `perl.dist' and `perl' are the same file
Creating Perl header files.  This may take a while...
\nIf possible, you should use Socket and/or some of the other modules.
h2ph has always been somewhat broken.
install: `./bind-4.9.3' exists but is not a directory
install: `./bind-4.9.3' exists but is not a directory
install: `./et' exists but is not a directory
install: `./ss' exists but is not a directory
install: `./ext2fs' exists but is not a directory
install: `./pthread' exists but is not a directory
install: `./pthread' exists but is not a directory
install: `./pthread' exists but is not a directory
install: `./linux/modules' exists but is not a directory
install: `./asm-i386' exists but is not a directory
Can't create ./bind-4.9.3/resolv.ph: Not a directory
Done.
You can re-run this script at any time as 'perlconfig'.
You should do this any time you install new header files
in /usr/include.
Errors were encountered while processing:
 devel/perl-5.002-10.deb 

I tried reinstalling libraries to see if something more fundamental
broken.  I am considering building a new system on another partition
if I can not get this one back to good working order.

I will cooperate in any way needed.  If you need more info I can send
it.  If a member of the debian-devel list would like a guest login to
examine the system, I will provide one.

TIA,
  Costa

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i'm kind of thinking aloud here, but a couple of possibilities come to
mind:

1) can the mirrors simply run their own script for creating packages
files?

2) how about a delay in deleting the outdated files?  When the Packages
file gets ahead of wha'ts actually there, and packages try to load
barely obsolete dependents, it turns out that the older file just isn't
there.  If it statyed for a few days, it would ease the problem.  (this
is a band-aid solution,yes, but it seems relatively easy to implement).

rick

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>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:16:13 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:

  Mark> I do use this option.

Hm.  I already thought so.  I thought maybe *taking it out* would do
something useful.

  Mark> I would like to solve this problem, but in the mean time, can
  Mark> someone please tell me what I should do to manually setup the
  Mark> routing table correctly.  Thanks.

Like I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but there are
scripts /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down}.  Just put the necessary `route'
commands in there.  I assume you know how to `route' manually as you
said you have done this in the past.  Sadly, I *don't* know how to use
`route'.

hth,
kai
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Hi. I recently attempted to install debian 1.1 on my machine, and 
encountered some problems early on. After I hit enter at the boot: 
prompt, it gets about halfway through loading before it locks up.
The last few messages I see are:

Aiee, killing interrupt handler
Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2

Also, at the top of the screen, I can see:

Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 
c00004d7

My computer is a 486dx-66 with 8M of RAM. The drive I had planned to 
install debian on is 230M

If anyone has any idea what might be wrong, I'd appreciate the help..

Thanks, --Chris Wage
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Is there any FAX package in the debian distribution?

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I am using the boot floppy from the 1.1 distribution.  I have an
ASUS P55T2P4 (Triton II) motherboard with the ASUS SCSI adaptor
(NCR 53c8x0) and a generic ISA VGA video card.  The motherboard
has an onboard floppy controller, etc.

Here is a piece of the boot messages:

   NCR53c406a: no available ports found
   PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 2
   scsi : 0 hosts.
   scsi : detected total
   
My setup is vanilla.  The BIOS sees my SCSI drive fine, but
the kernel does not seem to detect the controller properly,
and consequently does not find the disk.

I presume I need to make some simple change in the way I
am booting, but I don't know what that change is.  Could
you let me know?  Thanks.


Larry

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Lawrence Chim writes:
> Is there any FAX package in the debian distribution?

Yes, efax and mgetty+sendfax.

Michael

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Larry Riedel wrote:

> 
> I am using the boot floppy from the 1.1 distribution.  I have an
> ASUS P55T2P4 (Triton II) motherboard with the ASUS SCSI adaptor
> (NCR 53c8x0) and a generic ISA VGA video card.  The motherboard
> has an onboard floppy controller, etc.
> 
> Here is a piece of the boot messages:
> 
>    NCR53c406a: no available ports found
>    PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 2
>    scsi : 0 hosts.
>    scsi : detected total
>    

This is NOT the driver for a NCR53c810 Chip used on ASUS SC200 etc.
There is currently no support in Debian for this actually popular card.

YOurs,
-- martin

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Hi,
I found a curious bug with jove 4.16, compiled and running on a Debian Lignux
1.1. If you insert 8 characters in an empty buffer right after startup,
move to the beginning of the line and insert blanks, all is ok. If you
add a ninth char, and insert blanks in the beginning, they get doubled on the
display. In the text there are still single blanks, but the display shows
two. It gets more confused is you delete some chars then.
I tested it on xterm, rxvt and the console. I compiled jove on the
first try with termcap, on the second try with ncurses.
Is that a problem with jove or with debian?
--
Cheerio, Jan
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There are some reported problems with the Linux 2.0 kernel. We'd need
a better description to figure out what's going wrong with your system.
Try removing non-essential hardware cards and see if it boots.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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Hi all,

I'v checked directory non-free on some mirrors and nowhere I found 
rman.deb, which is required for proper instalation of tkman (both are 
mentioned in non-free/Packages). There is of course rman.xx.Z on its primary 
side, but installing it doesn't solve the problem because dpkg recognizes rman 
as missing package. Does somebody know about other places where debianized 
rman may be downloaded from?

TIA,
      George Kakol

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>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 96 09:28 PDT, bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
>>>>> said:

  Bruce> I ran a Packages file update yesterday but it apparently did
  Bruce> not complete.  I am running one now.

I suggest throwing away the Packages thingy completely and always
telling dselect to update its info based on the actual contents of the
directory.  People have been hit too often by that problem, I think.

Whatcha all think?
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Hi,

since I've experienced some problems when I used `Packages'
(.../binary/Packages) files which weren't in sync with the corresponding
*.deb files and since I asked twice for a tool to create these Packages
files from scratch and since I got no answer ... I made a first
attempt to write this tool (and I'm sure, that I reinvented the wheel).

Now I can take my local collected *.deb files (same file system layout
as on the ftp server), `cd /usr/DEBIAN/1.1; mk_packages -v' and all
the `Packages' files are rebuilt.

[ Of course, there are some bugs, but at least for me it worked and I
didn't get annoying updates of already updated packages when I used
dselect ... ]

If there is some interest in this short perl script I could post it to
this mailing list or whereever you want ;-)

Heiko
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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Larry Riedel wrote:

> 
> I am using the boot floppy from the 1.1 distribution.  I have an
> ASUS P55T2P4 (Triton II) motherboard with the ASUS SCSI adaptor
> (NCR 53c8x0) and a generic ISA VGA video card.  The motherboard
> has an onboard floppy controller, etc.
> 

You are not alone.  I have the same m/b with SC200 and get the following 
when I boot Debian:

Console: 8 point font, 400 scans
Console: colour VGA+ 80x50, 1 virtual console (max 63)
pcibios_init : BIOS32 Service Directory structure at 0x000fb4d0
pcibios_init : BIOS32 Service Directory entry at 0xfb9b0
pcibios_init : PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb9e0
Probing PCI hardware.
Warning : Unknown PCI device (8086:1250).  Please read include/linux/pci.h 
Warning : Unknown PCI device (8086:7000).  Please read include/linux/pci.h 
Warning : Unknown PCI device (8086:7010).  Please read include/linux/pci.h 
Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 53.04 BogoMIPS
Memory: 31088k/32768k available (584k kernel code, 384k reserved, 712k data)

My scsi devices are just the NCR 53c810 controller and the drive.

I am luckier than you in that my system does in fact run, despite the 
warnings.  I would guess that Linux does not know about the Triton II.

Lindsay

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jim Rush wrote:

> My problem, since upgrading is similiar.  I get the prompt, enter username
> and password and then wait.  It seems to be account related.  I can go to
> other virtual terminals and log in as other users, but if I try the same
> user, that
> terminal will also hang.  Typicall hang times seem to be as bad as 30 seconds.
> 
> Note, I almost always log in as root, so my problem may be root specific.

I had this same problem on my R6 system, even after upgrading base and
devel the problem continued. After upgrading some of the admin (I don't
remember which, but cron was among them) packages, the problem went away.
Seems to be some longwinded bookkeeping going on.

Try upgrading the admin section and see if that fixes it.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Kai Grossjohann writes:
 > 
 > I suggest throwing away the Packages thingy completely and always
 > telling dselect to update its info based on the actual contents of the
 > directory.  People have been hit too often by that problem, I think.

This could be combined with the "update" option in deselect, or a new
"scan packages" option could be added.

I tried using "dpkg --scanpackages".  When that didn't work I tried
every variation I could think of (Scanpackages, ScanPackages, scan-packages...)
It looks like I'll have to wait for the update.

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Hi,

I observed what appears to be a very strange problem when using dpkg
to install workbone (I realised that it is now orphaned and is still
aout).  If I install workbone again when it is already installed, dpkg
says it is replacing the old package.  But after the replacement, the
binary `workbone' is missing.  `workbone.1' is missing too.  dpkg -L
workbone still shows these files.  Same problem for cdtool.

The problem is best illustrated by the following log.

-----------  start  -------------
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # cat /etc/debian_version
1.1
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # dpkg -l dpkg workbone
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
ii  dpkg            1.2.6elf       Package maintenance system for Debian Linux
ii  workbone        2.3-3          Simple text-based CD Player
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # dpkg --purge workbone
(Reading database ... 15702 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing workbone ...
Purging configuration files for workbone ...
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # which workbone         
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # dpkg --install workbone-2.3-3.deb
Selecting previously deselected package workbone.
(Reading database ... 15699 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking workbone (from workbone-2.3-3.deb) ...
Setting up workbone ...

root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # which workbone
/usr/bin/workbone
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # dpkg --install workbone-2.3-3.deb
(Reading database ... 15702 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace workbone (using workbone-2.3-3.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement workbone ...
Setting up workbone ...

root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # dpkg -s workbone
Package: workbone
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: sound
Maintainer: D.J. Gregor <dgregor@bronze.coil.com>
Version: 2.3-3
Description: Simple text-based CD Player              

root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp # which workbone
root@scorpion:~/Debian/tmp/upgrades/tmp #                 
----------  end  ----------

Anyone else has the same experience?

Thanks.

-- 
Billy C.-M. Chow          billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk          Debian Linux




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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Paul Wade wrote:

> Jim Rush wrote:
> > 
> > My problem, since upgrading is similiar.  I get the prompt, enter username
> > and password and then wait.  It seems to be account related.  I can go to
> > other virtual terminals and log in as other users, but if I try the same
> > user, that
> > terminal will also hang.  Typicall hang times seem to be as bad as 30 seconds.
> > 
> > Note, I almost always log in as root, so my problem may be root specific.
> > 
> >                 Jim
> > 
> 
> Let me clarify what I did:
> 
> 	I downloaded the new kernel from Finland before it was mirrored
> in the US. I built it, booted it and got the new delays. I usually log
> in via telnet from a Windoze system and then su to root with no delay.
> If you have an user account that responds fast, log in with it and then
> su root. It will be interesting to see if you get the delay on root that
> way.
> 
> Paul Wade - Greenbush Systems
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> * http://www.wtop.com/ - THE OTHER WEBSITE forever under construction *
> ***********************************************************************

This looks exactly like a well-known bug .. possible in syslogd or
sysklogd.  It no longer happens for me -- perhaps upgrade things some.

I keep up with the mirrors so I am usually only a week or so behind the
distribution.

My current Kernel is 2.0.0 and my sysklogd package is 1.3-6.
My libc is 5.2.18-8 and sysvinit is 2.62-1.

(hope this helps.)

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I'd like to install the latest Debian on a new SCSI disk (just partitioned).
I already have Linux running from a second SCSI disk. I'd like to avoid
the hassles of boot floppies, etc. as I already have a working Linux
running. (Note: my Linux is kernel 2.0.0, a.out, manually upgraded from
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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote:

> I'v checked directory non-free on some mirrors and nowhere I found
> rman.deb, which is required for proper instalation of tkman (both are
> mentioned in non-free/Packages). There is of course rman.xx.Z on its primary
> side, but installing it doesn't solve the problem because dpkg recognizes rman
> as missing package. Does somebody know about other places where debianized
> rman may be downloaded from?

It was on ftp.debian.org/debian/non-free/binary/rman-2.5a4-2.deb a couple of
days ago. Try there.

-- 
...RickM...

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Does this mailing list offer the option of receiving periodic
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Hello,

I've been unable to configure my Ethernet card under Debian 1.1.
The documentation that comes with the card says "Software Driver
compatible to existing NE-2100/AM-1500T". My first guess was to
use the ne driver but it doesn't work.

The ethercard uses the AMD 79C961 chip. From the Ethernet-HOWTO:

  "AMD 79C961 (PCnet-ISA+)
   Status -- Supported
   This is the PCnet-ISA+  -- an enhanced version of the 79C960.  It has
   support for jumper-less configuration and Plug and Play.  See the info
   in the above section."

This fits my ethercard. The "above section" mentions the LANCE driver
as the one to use with this card. However, even though the driver
"lance.c" is listed in the net-modules.txt file, I can't find the lance.o
file in my system. If I give the command "insmod lance" I get

	Cannot open /lib/modules/misc/lance.o

Actually, there's no such directory "misc" under lib/modules. Why is then
ismod looking for that? Anyway, I have a directory /lib/modules/current/net
with several net drivers on it except "lance".

My questions are then:

1. How do I get this lance module to work? (where is lance.o?)
2. How do I configure this driver? (My ethercard is set to use irq=5,
   dma=3, address=0x2E0).

Thanks for any help on this matter.
___________________________________________________________________________
Pedro I. Sanchez	|Phone:(514) 683-6363 x31 |2250 Pl. Transcanadienne
Internetworking Systems	|Fax:  (514) 683-7997     |Dorval, QC., Canada
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  John Cook writes:
  John>  Does this mailing list offer the option of receiving periodic
  John> message digests as e-mail instead of every inidividual message?

No, but you can use mailagent or procmail (both available as Debian packages)
to filter you mail into different folders which IMHO is better than digests.

I use procmail the following regexp in ~/.procmailrc to filter debian-user:

:0:                             # mail To or CC debian-user
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-user@(.*pixar.com|.*yggdrasil.com|.*debian.org)
in.debian-user   

It is not as complicated as it looks. The ":0:" line starts a new rule, and
"in.debian-user" ends it by saying that debian-user is my incoming mail
folder. Any mail that has a To:, CC: or Resent: which contains debian-user@
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In your email to me, Mark Phillips, you wrote:
> 
> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:52:53 +1000, Mark Phillips
> >>>>>> <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> said:
> >
> >  Mark> I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work.  To
> >  Mark> find out what was going on, I ran route and got: [...]
> >
> >There is a `defaultroute' option for pppd.  You might want to try
> >fiddling with that in /etc/ppp/options and see if it does something.
> 
> I do use this option.
> 
> I would like to solve this problem, but in the mean time, can someone
> please tell me what I should do to manually setup the routing table
> correctly.  Thanks.

Bear in mind that the pppd default route will *not* overwrite the
eth0 (or any other) default route.

Tim

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in the ongoing question of updates & synchronization:

xforms has disappeared entirely, both from the caldera mirror and
ftp.debian.org.  THere are symlinks to it, but it just isn't there. 

While i'm on the subject:  have the perl dependencies been fixed so that
it doesn't try to load source for 1.3 any  more?  the package names
changed, but the dependency didn't . . .

interrupting the interruption, perl also had trouble with csh:  the
package is now csh, but perl wants tcs | c-shell (or some such).

rick

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you'll also have to toggle the setting of HAS_SETUPTERM (if telnet
crashes in an infinite recursion, it's set the wrong way) in
config/mt-linux. 

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> # dpkg --install kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb 
> Selecting previously deselected package kernel-source-2.0.0.
> (Reading database ... 27285 files and directories currently
> installed.)
> Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.0 (from kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb) ...
> Setting up kernel-source-2.0.0 ...
> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
> dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.0 (--install):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  kernel-source-2.0.0
> 
> (Same error message when I'm dealing with the image or the headers.) 

I believe this is the same problem I had.  I got around it by creating
a symlink to /usr/bin/perl in /bin.

# ln -s /usr/bin/perl /bin/perl

Good luck,


Snoopy

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Hello!

I'm attempting to do a fresh Linux install using Debian 1.1.
Unfortunately, when I try to boot up with the disks I made, I
get a "crc error<5>" when I insert the root disk.  I have
already tried re-downloading the boot and root disks from
ftp.debian.org and using fresh 1.44 floppies.. but, I get
the same problem.

Just for further information, I did pick up the boot1440.bin
and root.bin files from the Debian1.1/disks-i386 directory
and I'm using rawrite 2.0 for creating the disks.

Richard..

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, David Gaudine wrote:

> I tried using "dpkg --scanpackages".  When that didn't work I tried
> every variation I could think of (Scanpackages, ScanPackages, scan-packages...)
> It looks like I'll have to wait for the update.
> 
The script name is dpkg-scanpackages.

Dwarf

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hi..
	Is there a boot disk that have the ZIP driver in it?  If not, how
can I make a boot disk with the ZIP driver?  By the way, the ZIP
drive is the parallel version.  I like to try out debian on the ZIP drive.
Thank you very much.

ze 


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I've used the kernel-source package to build a custom kernel, and then
installed the result with dpkg --[myflags] kernel-image-2.0.0.  
Then I copied /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.0 to my dos disk so that I could continue
to boot with loadlin.  But I notice that /lib/modules/current still
points to my previous kernel.  Shouldn't this step be part of the 
kernel-image postinst file?  If not, it might be a good idea to mention
a "best practice" in the debian.README file contained in the kernel-source
package.

Comments?

Regards,
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Ze Ji Li wrote:
>        Is there a boot disk that have the ZIP driver in it?  If not, how
>can I make a boot disk with the ZIP driver?  By the way, the ZIP
>drive is the parallel version.  I like to try out debian on the ZIP drive.
>Thank you very much.

I was just looking into this for a revised version of the FAQ (yes, this
is an FAQ).  In the process, I found this mail message from Bruce Perens 
which explains what needs to be done:

>> I have one of the IOMEGA ZIP-drives,100MB, parralell version, and was 
>> wondering if it is, if it can, and if it will be possible to have one's 
>> linux system one of these ZIP disks.
>
>Probably yes.
>
>Make a boot floppy, because the ZIP isn't directly bootable.
>Hand-edit the syslinux.config parameters in the boot floppy to add
> root=<device>. Make sure that the correct device exists in /dev .
>Build a custom kernel with the "ppa" driver linked in, because the root
> filesystem can't come from a module.
>
>This is a low-performance solution, but can be used to advantage as an
>installation disk in installing Debian on a number of systems - for example
>in a computer lab. Our installation system will let you put base1_1.tgz on
>the ZIP and will then not require the base floppies. You can also put Debian
>packages on the ZIP drive and use dpkg-scanpackages to build a Packages file
>for each ZIP disk so that "dselect" will work with them.
>
>        Bruce
>

I have more notes on this in the revised FAQ, which I will upload later
today (I hope).

Susan Kleinmann
sgk@tiac.net


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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thank's to all the people who have helped me recently.  Every time I
> solve one problem, another appears.
> 
> I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work.  To find out
> what was going on, I ran route and got:
> 

What exactly happens when you try to run pppd? Any messages in
/var/adm/messages or /var/adm/debug?

[...]
> 
> I tried several things to try and get it to work.  Previously ppp had
> worked when I had nothing in my /etc/modules file, so I tried
> commenting out the entries and rebooted.  PPP now works (as you can
> see by the fact that I am typing this), however I think ppp working is
> the result of a side effect: namely, that as a result my local
> ethernet network wasn't setup.  If I now type route, before running
> pppd, I get:
> 

Remove the eth0 entries by using ifconfig and try to run pppd. It could be
as simple as an interrupt conflict between your ethernet card and the
serial port pppd is using.

I had that problem a while ago. My ethernet and my ppp link was mutually
exclusive.

/Bengt-Ove Johansson!


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It seems that all the archives of the subject are in error.  There
are a huge number of .deb files (packages) symlinked to themselves.  It just
occured to me what could have caused this.  Perhaps during the
transition from 0.93R6-stable to 1.1-stable, there were a large
number of packages that were not unstable.  As such, the archive
maintainer, in order to minimize disk storage?, decided to symlink to
the previously unstable area from the prerelease area.  When the
prelease area became stable,.... well I think you know what I mean.

Anyway, shouldn't these symlinks to nowhere (themselves) now be
symlinked to the stable area to fix the huge number of error messages
our mirror programs generate?

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Jeffery S. Coy Jr. writes:
> On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, David Engel wrote:
> > Debian's version of libc 5.2.18 has the security fix plus a few other
> > fixes.  I really wish H.J. would continue to fix serious bugs in the
> > last stable libc while the new one is still in alpha/beta testing.
> 
> i thought libc 5.3.12 had been publicly released as stable some time ago.
> is this library being ignored due to doug lea's malloc, or is it
> something else?

To clarify, I wasn't implying that libc 5.2.18 was the last stable
release.  I know that 5.3.12 was released some time ago.  Debian isn't
using it because we didn't want risk introducing any instabilities
when we were trying to releas Debian 1.1.

> i think we are all a little more wary after libc 5.3.9's .rhost bug.
> but i agree, it would be nice if patches for important bugs were made
> available for proven libraries such as lib 5.2.18, rather than push the
> bleeding edge stuff so hard.

Right.  I've been saying for a long time now that Linux' huge growth
makes stability a lot more important than it used to be.  When an
important problem is found in libc, we can't keep telling people to
upgrade to the current beta version.  It may fix the original problem
but will several others.

David
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Hello, all.

I just switched from RedHat to Debian on my home machine, and I am very 
impressed.  I needd a number of packages, set the ftp install running, 
went to bed, and woke up to the configuration script.  This and tons of 
other stuff has almost completely converted me.

This is a problem which people have referenced on linux.dev.kernel, but I 
figured that I'd follow the advice I give to others, and come here first.

When I try to remake my kernel, the `make dep` hangs and starts chewing 
CPU.  Below are the last 10 lines of the strace:

>>>
write(1, "rm -f .hdepend\n", 15)        = 15
brk(0x8033000)                          = 0x8033000
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [HUP INT QUIT TERM XCPU XFSZ], NULL) = 0
fork()                                  = 5680
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL)      = 0
wait4(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], 0, NULL) = 5680
write(1, "gawk -f scripts/depend.awk `find"..., 113) = 113
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [HUP INT QUIT TERM XCPU XFSZ], NULL) = 0
fork()                                  = 5681
wait4(-1, 
<<<

As you can see, it hangs, apparently, in the middle of a "wait" call and 
just shoots the loadavg through the roof; it has to be killed after that.

I have a clean 1.1-stable release that I installed three days ago.  
Nothing is on the machine not from a .deb package other than ssh.  I did 
apply Alan Cox's suggested kernel patch.  386/40, 16MB RAM, 1.0GB IDE, etc.

Feel free to email me instead of cluttering the list.  If anyone needs 
more info, I'm happy to provide it.  If I do figure it out, I'll be sure 
to post the answer here.

TIA, and keep up the good work.

Todd
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In article <2.2.16.19960621202736.29ff5302@mail.ctidata.com>,
Pedro I. Sanchez <sanchez@ctidata.com> wrote:
>to have Linux to recongnize my Ethernet card without success. I have a NIC
>with an AMD-PCNet chip. According to the Ethernet-HOWTO the right driver to
>use is "lance". I managed to recompile the kernel to include this driver but
>still the driver doesn't see my card.

Which PCnet chip variant do you know. 1.2.13 doesnt know all the current 
variants of this chip.

>I have no idea what to do next. The ethercard is ok (runs under windows) but
>I am missing something under linux. Any suggestions?

The AMD PC-Net shouldnt be a problem because everything is on the chip so a
vendor can't really do much to make it non standard. There have been some
with hardware problems but clearly yours is ok as it runs under windows.

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As a out-sider who may step in the world of Debian, I am curious that if 
Java is included in Debian.  If not, is there someone working on it?

Thanks.

- Jun -


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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Jun Sun wrote:

> 
> As a out-sider who may step in the world of Debian, I am curious that if 
> Java is included in Debian.  If not, is there someone working on it?

There is currently no Java package for Debian. But I remember reading
questions for a Java package on debian-devel, so I looks like someone is
working on it. 

  Christian



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Well, it looked like it was hanging.  After I posted my report, I decided 
to let one go and see what happened.  Turns out my machine was just 
really slow in doing the sed script.

These things happen on a 386 with no math coprocessor.

<GRIN=SHEEPISH>
Never mind
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Okay, first off, thank you much for helping me out with the dselect probs I
was having. Mounting my D drive before running dselect worked wonders. :)

Now, while configuring stuff, I ran into about 4 packages, including
kernal-image-2.0.0-0, that complained that while running --configure or
whatever, that it couldn't find a directory or file. I included the latter
because it said in the package selection option that it was required. Is
this true? And is there any reason in particular that dpkg is having
problems finding the right directories? I know I wasn't very descriptve of
the problem, but as none of the packages are that important to me to get
installed (except for kernal-image?) I didn't write down every single
message thrown at me.

Next, I'm curious if the editor Pico is anywhere in the Debian distribution.
I use it frequently at school, and have found it fast and convenient. If
it's not anywhere in the distribution, is anyone currently working on it?

And finally, I seem to have lost the XF86Config program... I recognized it
when I was configuring one of the X11 packages, but I didn't have time to
set it up properly, so I skipped it. I found XF86Config somewhere in
/etc/<something> but it was just a symlink to a file that didn't exsist. Is
XF86Config in one of the packages, or do I have to run a configuration
script again? (If so, which one?) Thanks for any help given on the above.
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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Andy Heroff wrote:

> Okay, first off, thank you much for helping me out with the dselect probs I
> was having. Mounting my D drive before running dselect worked wonders. :)

Hear, hear, Ian!

> Now, while configuring stuff, I ran into about 4 packages, including
> kernal-image-2.0.0-0, that complained that while running --configure or
> whatever, that it couldn't find a directory or file. I included the latter
> because it said in the package selection option that it was required. Is
> this true? And is there any reason in particular that dpkg is having
> problems finding the right directories? I know I wasn't very descriptve of
> the problem, but as none of the packages are that important to me to get
> installed (except for kernal-image?) I didn't write down every single
> message thrown at me.

Just guessing wildly, make sure you have /bin/perl as a symlink pointing to
/usr/bin/perl... It's a known problem with the Perl package in 1.1. There
should be a new perl package in 1.1-fixes fixing this. Or you can just make
the symlink yourself.(If you want more than wild guesses, you really must
provide more info.)

> Next, I'm curious if the editor Pico is anywhere in the Debian distribution.
> I use it frequently at school, and have found it fast and convenient. If
> it's not anywhere in the distribution, is anyone currently working on it?

There is a pico package. But version 3.93 is in non-free.

> And finally, I seem to have lost the XF86Config program... I recognized it
[snip]

Can't help you here, I don't use XFree86.

   Christian




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> 
>   Anyone have reccommendations on tiff->gif converters?
> I have the (debianized) pbmplus stuff, but when I run them,
> I get:
> 
> chiba:~> /usr/bin/pbmplus/tifftopnm fax.tiff >fax.pnm
> fax.tiff: Null decoding is not implemented.
> tifftopnm: writing PBM file
> Segmentation fault
> 
> and a zero-length fax.pnm is the result.  The pbmplus docco
> points out that I may need Sam Leffler's TIFF library installed
> for the Tiff utils to work, so I did that even though a 
> 'strings tiff2pnm' shows headers from all those files...

I'm not sure whether this answers you question, but
you might try xv (in non-free). You will not be able
to convert the files automatically (as far as i'm aware), but
it should be able to convert the file.


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> 
> And finally, I seem to have lost the XF86Config program... I recognized it
> when I was configuring one of the X11 packages, but I didn't have time to
> set it up properly, so I skipped it. I found XF86Config somewhere in
> /etc/<something> but it was just a symlink to a file that didn't exsist. Is
> XF86Config in one of the packages, or do I have to run a configuration
> script again? (If so, which one?) Thanks for any help given on the above.

Try the 'xf86config' program. /etc/XF86Config is your config-file, ie.
where all parameters and setting are stored.

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Hello everybody!

Does someone have a netpbm package for debian? I just found the pbmplus
package that looks pretty old. AFAIK, netpbm is the successor of pbmplus. 
The newest version I could find is
	sunsite: apps/graphics/convert/netpbm-Mar1994-bin.tar.gz
while the pbmplus package is dated 10dec91.

If there is no such package, I will probably create one.

Thanks in advance,

Chris

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Hi!

Is there a color_xterm in Debian 1.1 - or something similar? Right now,
I'm using the old color_xterm from Slackware. 


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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Andy Heroff wrote:

> Okay, first off, thank you much for helping me out with the dselect probs I
> was having. Mounting my D drive before running dselect worked wonders. :)
> 
> Now, while configuring stuff, I ran into about 4 packages, including
> kernal-image-2.0.0-0, that complained that while running --configure or
> whatever, that it couldn't find a directory or file. I included the latter
> because it said in the package selection option that it was required. Is
> this true? And is there any reason in particular that dpkg is having
> problems finding the right directories? I know I wasn't very descriptve of
> the problem, but as none of the packages are that important to me to get
> installed (except for kernal-image?) I didn't write down every single
> message thrown at me.

This sounds like the perl problem: the current version of perl installs
without a necessary sym link. The simple solution is to make this link.
Try:

ls -s /usr/bin/perl /bin/perl

The install should proceed properly.

> 
> Next, I'm curious if the editor Pico is anywhere in the Debian distribution.
> I use it frequently at school, and have found it fast and convenient. If
> it's not anywhere in the distribution, is anyone currently working on it?
> 
Because of a more restictive distribution license, I was force to put
pine, imapd, and pico into the non-free section. You should be able to
find them there.

> And finally, I seem to have lost the XF86Config program... I recognized it
> when I was configuring one of the X11 packages, but I didn't have time to
> set it up properly, so I skipped it. I found XF86Config somewhere in
> /etc/<something> but it was just a symlink to a file that didn't exsist. Is
> XF86Config in one of the packages, or do I have to run a configuration
> script again? (If so, which one?) Thanks for any help given on the above.
> ---           
My memory says that when you install the x stuff (xbase I think) you are
walked through a question and answer session that results in a properly
configured system. (I believe you must install at least the server package
you will need before you can install the base packages. Don't forget the
fonts.)
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Hope this helps,

Dwarf

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Hi!

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Christian Hudon wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Andy Heroff wrote:
> > Now, while configuring stuff, I ran into about 4 packages, including
> > kernal-image-2.0.0-0, that complained that while running --configure or
> > whatever, that it couldn't find a directory or file. I included the latter
> > because it said in the package selection option that it was required. Is
> > this true? And is there any reason in particular that dpkg is having
> > problems finding the right directories? I know I wasn't very descriptve of
> > the problem, but as none of the packages are that important to me to get
> > installed (except for kernal-image?) I didn't write down every single
> > message thrown at me.
> 
> Just guessing wildly, make sure you have /bin/perl as a symlink pointing to
> /usr/bin/perl... It's a known problem with the Perl package in 1.1. There
> should be a new perl package in 1.1-fixes fixing this. Or you can just make
> the symlink yourself.(If you want more than wild guesses, you really must
> provide more info.)

Of course, making a symlink is the easiest way to solve this problem, but
wouldn't it be better if the installation scripts, that depend on
/bin/perl, were changed to reference /usr/bin/perl?

IMHO, we would someone need to have perl in /bin, if it is symlinked to
/usr/bin/perl and therefore *ONLY* available, if /usr is mounted? And /bin
should only contain "Essential user command binaries".


Thanks

Chris


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Hi,

I have have compiled (kernel 2.0 ) on debian 1.1
(libc libc5_5.2.18-9).

In a program that I have written I am using a select
system call. The select waits indefinitely on input from a serial line and
a FIFO node.

  for (;;){
    FD_ZERO(&readfds);
    if (fifo_fd != -1)
        FD_SET(fifo_fd,&readfds);
    FD_SET(fd,&readfds);
    sel = select(100,&readfds, NULL, NULL, NULL);
    if (sel > 0) {
       if (fifo_fd != -1 && FD_ISSET(fifo_fd,&readfds)) fifo_read();
       if (FD_ISSET(fd,&readfds)) {
....
  }

as soon as the fifo queue gets an input, the select system call
keeps returning with a flag indicating additional fifo inputs.
even though that there are no additional fifo inputs and the previous
input was processed.

In other words the program goes to an infinite loop because it thinks
that there is additional unprocessed data in a fifo queue, when actually
there is none (there was only one input that was processed).

The problem goes away if I just reinstall the old kernel (1.3.72)

-Any help will be appreciated

-Oz
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I have been trying to use gcc to compile some C++ code. Libg++27 seems to
be the supplier of standard headers for C++. I have both gcc-2.7.2-8 and
libg++27-2.7.1-2 installed. When I try to compile something, I get:

g++ -c -I./source/include -I/usr/include/g++/std ./source/parody2/tnode.cc
In file included from /usr/include/string.h:33,
                 from /usr/include/g++/std/cstring.h:18,
                 from source/include/parody.h:8,
                 from ./source/parody2/tnode.cc:7:
/usr/include/g++/std/stddef.h:15: parse error before `='
/usr/include/g++/std/stddef.h:15: warning: ANSI C++ forbids declaration `NPOS' with no type or storage class
/usr/include/g++/std/stddef.h:15: warning: implicit declaration of function `int size_t(...)'

It goes on like this, complaining about syntax in many of the standard
headers...

/usr/lib/g++-include/std/bastring.h:67: `__bsrep<char,string_char_traits<char> >::operator [](...)' must take exactly one argument
/usr/lib/g++-include/std/bastring.h:67: confused by earlier errors, bailing out
make: *** [tnode.o] Error 1

untill it finally errors out.

This is my first attempt at C++ on Linux, (I have worked in Borland up
til now) so pardon my ignorance. Do I need to do any pre-processing here?
Or have I just left out a necessary switch for gcc?

Any help would be appreciated.

TIA,

Dwarf

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Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

Are you using STL?  If so, I was completely unable to compile certain
bits of STL code until I modified the bottom of
/usr/include/g++/std/bastring.h like this:

#if !defined (_G_NO_EXTERN_TEMPLATES)
//#include <std/sinst.h> breaks stl (RLB) -- ambiguous instantiations
// same as complext.h including cinst.h
#endif

and complext.h like this:

//#include <std/cinst.h> breaks stl (RLB) -- ambiguous instantiations.
// same problem as bastring.h including sinst.h

Don't know if this is your problem, but I thought it might help.
Hopefully libg++ will get this straightened out upstream soon.

--
Rob


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> Does someone have a netpbm package for debian? I just found the pbmplus
> package that looks pretty old. 

Two people had volunteered to set up new netpbm packages, one of them
was going to make it a shared package.  Since nothing has been said,
and nothing was produced, I've gone ahead and uploaded a netpbm and
netpbmdevel set of packages.

> If there is no such package, I will probably create one.

If you would like to take this one over, I would greatly appreciate
it.  I'm doing this out of a semi sense of obligation since I've let
pbmplus sit still for so long, but I have no desire to maintain it.

The source and packages should be uploaded within the hour.


Jim


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Hi there,
	I have looked in the how-tos, and have also done searches on the web..
	What I need to know, is whether Debian Linux supports 21Mb floptical
	disk drives such as those produced by ValueStor ?
	Is support for such devices in the kernel, or will I have to go and
	recompile the kernel ?
	Will the floptical be detected and work straightaway without too
	much hassle if I put it in ?

	Excuse me if I am a dunce here, but I didnt see anything to tell me
	what I had to do in any of the online documentations, except that
	Linux works with floptical drives ...

	Perhaps someone out there could give me some kind of guidance... 
	or at least tell me where to look

thanks in advance

	Cormac

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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Christian Schwarz wrote:

> Is there a color_xterm in Debian 1.1 - or something similar? Right now,
> I'm using the old color_xterm from Slackware. 

Yes. It's called xterm-color and is in the x11 section.

   Christian



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[dayear@market1.com (David Puryear), 28 Jun 96]

> Does anyone installed linux-source using dselect? I'm getting 
> error when I try. Oh well, this is not important since I have 
> downloaded and untared 2.0.tar.gz. Just want to mention it.

I had a similar problem, and it seemed related to having downloaded a 
a kernel-source-1.3.99 or some in dselect and a kernel-source-2.0.0 
on the disk.  It ended up installing fine with "dpkg --install 
<filename>".  I had some other problems with dselect, and ended up 
installing many packages with "dpkg --install" instead.  Perhaps it 
has something to do with that Packages file synch. problem.

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Aslak wrote...
> > > > I have one of the IOMEGA ZIP-drives,100MB, parralell version,
> > > > and was wondering if it is, if it can, and if it will be
> > > > possible to have one's linux system one of these ZIP disks. It
> > > > _is_ possible to have a system on 100Megs, and it would be
> > > > extremely convenient, at least for my purposes.

Eric Hoeltzel...

> I just loaded up Linux on a 1 gig iomega jaz drive last weekend. It
> was quite painless, just dropped a friend's aha1515 into my 486dx50
> and ran the install and make him a bootdisk with loadlin. I would
> say that it was somewhat noticably slower than an IDE drive, but
> pretty acceptable nonetheless. X ran fine too. Highly convenient
> arrangement I would say, and I had never seen one of these jaz
> drives before.

The SCSI version of the zip drive is a bit faster than the parallel
port version the I assume your Jaz drive is a SCSI version too?


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[Andrew Stephen <andrews@intrepid.byteline.com.au>]

> I have just upgrade the Motherboard in my Linux Box which is running
> Debian 1.1 from a DX4/100Mhz to a Pentium 75Mhz. When I compare
> /proc/cpuinfo it has dropped from 39.7 bogomips for the DX4/100 to
> 29.79 bogomips. Any ideas why there is a decrease.

"Upgrades" ain't always.  Da facts,  or da hype?

It's no secret that the fastest 486's outperform the slower 
Pentiums.  

486DX4's are clock tripled, and also L1 cache doubled (I think).


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Hi,

When I try to run startx, it dies complaining that:

Fatal server error:
Cannot open mouse (Device or resource busy)

I then kill gpm and startx works fine.  How can I get both to work
together?  I could do this under slackware.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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>> Jul  1 20:38:45 destiny pppd[560]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
>
>What about what the chat script says ? Are you positive the other sides
>ppp protocol is kicking when you connect ?

I don't use a chat script.  I use minicom to connect to my ISP.  Then
manually start ppp from that end (that's how I know the other side's
ppp protocol is kicking in).  I then exit minicom (C-a q) and run
"pppd -d -detach /dev/cua1 &" on my machine.

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>What exactly happens when you try to run pppd? Any messages in
>/var/adm/messages or /var/adm/debug?

Yes, and even more instructive were messages from /var/adm/daemon.log

Eg:

Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: Using interface ppp0
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cua1
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <mru 1006> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x52f38034> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x7 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x9710b401> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x7 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x9710b401> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x8 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x9710b401> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x8 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x9710b401> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <mru 1006> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x52f38034> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jul  1 20:38:15 destiny pppd[560]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 192.1.1.1> <compress VJ 0f 01>]
Jul  1 20:38:42 destiny last message repeated 9 times
Jul  1 20:38:45 destiny pppd[560]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests


>Remove the eth0 entries by using ifconfig and try to run pppd. It could be
>as simple as an interrupt conflict between your ethernet card and the
>serial port pppd is using.

There are still problems with eth0 removed.  Besides my ethernet card
uses interrupt 5 whereas my modem uses interrupt 3.


No one seems to be able to help me with my PPP problems.  Though I am
thankful to those who have tried.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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>Mark,
>I had a problem making connections to my ISP a few months ago and
>eventually added the 'silent' option to /etc/ppp/options. Connections
>improved considerably. You might give it a try.

Sadly, it doesn't help.  Thank's for trying though.

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Hi,

For some reason when I use minicom to dial out, the moment a
connection is made, minicom complains that it has detected a Sig 11
and is therefore quiting.  It seems to do this fairly consistently,
and always the moment a connection has been made.

I had this same problem when I was running slackware.  Any ideas?
Anyone seen this before?

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


