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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, nathan work wrote:

> ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
> little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
> - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
> this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
> to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
> from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:
> 					ntw2@po.cwru.edu	
> 					http://b63826.cwru.edu
> 

what does your /etc/lilo.conf look like?  you should show include it here;
that would make things alot easier to diagnose.


Where did you load LILO?  what does the "boot=" line look like in your
/etc/lilo.conf?
It sounds like you have "boot=/dev/hdaN"  ( where N is you linux partition
number, assuming you're using the master primary IDE channel )

If you have "boot=/dev/hdaN" you can
- boot DOS ( I think you can use Win95 DOS, but reboot to DOS mode )
- run fdisk in DOS
- follow the menu/instructions to change the active partition to your
    linux partition.
- exit fdisk
- reboot

If you have "boot=/dev/hdbN" you should
- boot linux (from a boot floppy)
- edit /etc/lilo.conf
    change the boot value to "boot=/dev/hda"  (this is assuming that Win95
      is on the first partition of the primary master IDE drive (C:))
- reboot


++Randy
rjones@aoc.nrao.edu
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In article <199608010734.AAA16688@aimnet.com> keng@aimnet.com (Ken Gaugler) writes:

> I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
> /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
> to there (bin, lib, etc.)  

FYI: I will upload a xview package including the openwin-like programs
next week.

	Sven
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  Dirk> > color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.
                                                               ^^^^^^

  Michael> Strange. On my site it wasn't.

  Robert> same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
	                                   ^^^^^^
  Robert> remains and wasn't removed

Sure, 3.12-4 is not 3.13-{1,2}. Try a newer version of fileutils.

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  Guy>  I will add that `--color' is equivalent to `--color=yes', which is
  Guy> probably not what you want.  If you make any aliases, use
  Guy> `--color=tty'.  You don't want nasty escape codes if it's not a tty.

Those are the old style options implemented by color-ls (which is a patched
version based on fileutils-3.12). The new form is, according to ls --help

[...]
      --color[=WHEN]         control whether color is used to distinguish file
                               types.  WHEN may be `never', `always', or `auto'
[...]
    By default, color is not used to distinguish types of files.  That is
    equivalent to using --color=none.  Using the --color option without the
    optional WHEN argument is equivalent to using --color=always.  With
    --color=auto, color codes are output only if standard output is connected
    to a terminal (tty).                                                   

By the way, the man page distributed with fileutils-3.13-2 still documents
the old form (ie --color={yes,tty})

  Guy> Try `ls --color | less' to see what I mean.

That would now be 'ls --color=always | less' and is why --color=auto is a
better choice.

  Guy> And fileutils does have a bug with regards to color-ls.  It should
  Guy> conflict and replace with it so that it will be removed automatically.
  Guy> I'll file a report.

Yes, please add that it has Pre-Depends: and not Depends:, and that the
manpage needs an update.

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Subject: Re: SLIP not working? 
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Karl Ferguson asked:
> I've compiled SLIP into the kernel (2.0.10), however I get this following
> message in /var/log/daemon.log:
> 
> Aug  1 10:30:49 orion /sliplogin[319]: attaching slip unit sl0 for karl
> Aug  1 10:30:49 orion /sliplogin[319]: /etc/slip.login sl0 9600 319
> 203.22.233.3 203.15.138.211 compressed
> Aug  1 10:30:50 orion modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-4
> Aug  1 10:20:51 orion modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-5
> 
> Of course, slip just doesn't seem to work at all.  My question is, where are
> these modules it can't locate - and if I can find them, will it fix this
> problem?
> 

Andrew Howell's explanation was right.

A somewhat amplified answer was provided by Michael Meses in May.
Derek Lee had written"
> When I use ifconfig, I get the error messages:
> 
>       May 22 01:18:19 boson modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-4
>       May 22 01:18:19 boson modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-3
>       May 22 01:18:20 boson modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-5
> 
> Is something missing? I have a PPP connection to the outside world,
> but no local network. 

Michael Meskes responded:
>This is not a bug at all. When calling ifconfig it tries quite a lot of
>possible network interfaces. net-pf-5 is appletalk, net-pf-4 is ipx and
>net-pf-3 is ax.25. If you don't use these add entries
>
>alias net-pf-3 off
>alias net-pf-4 off
>alias net-pf-5 off
>
>to your /etc/conf.modules file and the messages will disappear."


HTH,
Susan Kleinmann
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> I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
> /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
> to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the

As a Sun workstation user, I also prefer running openwin.  I was under the
impression that this product was owned by Sun and not available for other
platforms but I heard that some Linux distributions provided it (Redhat). 
I've looked on the internet for openwin, but could never find anything. 
Where can I find a version that will run under Debian? - something that is
easily transportable.   Can we expect to see a Debian distribution of
openwin anytime soon?

Jim  <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>


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  Michael> I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder
  Michael> why the old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for
  Michael> this?

  Wichert>  Some monitors make text unreadable (cheap laptops for example)
  Wichert> when you use colors. Maybe a postinst-script could ask if color-ls
  Wichert> should be the new default, move ls to ls-normal and make ls a link
  Wichert> to color-ls.

Don't worry. It is one and the same binary, bin/ls, which has no color as the
default. You have use the --color option to enable color.

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Adrenolin writes:
> 
> what package supplies this file? gopher requires it and i have looked
> everywhere to find the right .deb package that itis in :(

I just uploaded a new version of gopher in ELF. It fixes all bugs and is in
ELF.

Michael

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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Berntsen wrote:

> I've recompiled my kernel (and, yes, I've remembered to 'make modules'
> and 'make modules_install'), but when I boot now, I get an error message
> saying that it can't find the modules.
> I'm using Kernel 2.0.6 and modules 2.0.0
> Whats wrong?
> 
I'm not sure, but here are a couple of things to check. First make sure
that there is a /lib/modules/2.0.6 directory, and that there is a link
called current that points to it. Assuming everything is there, run depmod
and try to reboot again.

Hope this helps,

Dwarf

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I'm using the latest kernel-package to build a kernel.
I have the Debian 1.1.2 release, and kernel sources 2.0.6 installed in
default location.
Doing a 'make-kpkg kernel_image' errors out when it cannot
find kernel.rules in the /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.6/debian
directory. .
I noticed in installing the kernel-package (via dselect) it put
itself at /usr/lib/kernel-package and the debian subdir has kernel.rules
in it. Before I haphazardly just copy that dir over, am I missing
something significantly here? I can make kernel the old debian way
using 'debian-rules kernel_image' w/out any prob. But I want to do it
the new proper way. 
TIA,
Jim
>
>
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:37:29 EDT."
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Robert MacQuarrie writes:
> anyways i have the xserver_vga16 installed. when i ...login as root with 
> the passwd and it just freezes :
Sounds like a problem with your server.  
Suggestion:
  Install either the xserver-mono_3.1.2-5.deb or xserver-svga_3.1.2-5.deb
  Then bring up Netscape.
  Then use the Usenet search tool 
	http://www.dejanews.com/forms/dnquery.html
  to find out what kinds of experiences other people have had with X and
  setups like yours.


>( also i have no use of the mouse either. 
> my mouse is a Logitech but durring boot shows as ps/2. do i configure it
> to ps/2 or logitech?
Some Logitech (brand name) mice have PS/2 interfaces.  It sounds like yours
does.  You need to rebuild your kernel with PS/2 support in it.  You also
need to specify in your /etc/X11/XF86Config that your mouse is
a PS/2 mouse.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann
sgk@tiac.net


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>Let's say I have a server with one of Micorsoft operating systems, let's say
>Windows NT, that is connected to the internet directly and a lot of other
>machines connected to this server via a Novell net. Now one of these
>machines is a Linux box. Is it possible to use the Linux box as if it were on
>the internet, too? That is can I e.g. telnet from this machine or send mail?
>If so what software do I need? The ipx package?

It seems to me the question you need to be asking is does the server
route IP frames.  You will not get to the internet by adding IPX to the
linux unless you do a remote login to the server.  (Which so far as I
know is not possible with Novell.)



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hiya all
	i'm haveing trouble configureing my mouse for use in the
xf86config. i have a logitech 2 button mouse. in the boot process it saz
foud PS/2 mouse but nothing more. i have in the xf86config file:

Section "Pointer"
	Protocal "PS/2"
	Device   "/dev/mouse"

	how can i set this correctly and/or check where/what the Device
should be. i use startx and use the fvwm window manager. it comes up but
no control over the mouse.

-Rob

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ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
- 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:
					ntw2@po.cwru.edu	
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Rick Macdonald wrote:

> But, since the Win95 system is a notebook that comes and goes, is there
> some device that could make the printer a network print server not
> attached to either
> PC? That way, I could print from Linux even when the notebook was
> detached.

Sounds like you can either (1) attach the printer to the linux server
or (2) purchase an external lpd print server for the HPLJII (the internal
card sold by HP would also work but requires more setup on the UNIX box and
may cost more). HP sells JetDirect EX units which act as lpd servers and 
there are others out there as well (e.g. milan).

If the 2 machines are close, you could also just use a parallel switch -
I know they're not very sexy anymore, but they do work.
_____________________________________________________________________
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> So I went back and fixed that, and everything configured fine
> except the X server setup.  After fixing a problem with the
> mouse in XF86Config, I got X up and running fairly well.  I think it
> is giving me fvwm as the default window manager, and the middle mouse
> button doesn't work right ( the menu flashes a lot and I cannot select
> anything on that menu).

In /etc/X11 there are a few files and dirs which you might want to
modify a bit.

> I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
> /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
> to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the
> Linux openwin logo, but before the screen turns blue, the X-server
> exits with the message
> lwm: can't find library 'libolg.so.3'
> 
> That library exists in the openwin/lib hierarchy, so I think there must
> be a link missing somewhere, possibly between /usr/X11/lib and somewhere.
> Do you know anything about this, or can I give you any more information
> to help me solve this?

This is a shared library and for libraries to be found you have to run
ldconfig as root after moving or installing libraries.

Erick


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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> Gerry Jensen writes:
> > This is a problem for your NT machine, not the Linux machine.  If you have
> > a valid Internet IP address for the Linux machine, then the NT machine
> > needs to be set up to act as a router for the rest of your LAN and then
> > the Linux machine would be on the Internet.  Or, if you don't have a valid
> > IP address for the Linux machine, then you need to set up the NT machine
> > to act as a firewall and a proxy server.  I'm not familiar at all with NT
> > to know what software is available or included with that OS to do either
> > of these.
> 
> So it doesn't matter whether it's a Novell net or anything else?

Correct.  A Novell (IPX) network and a TCP/IP network can co-exist on the
same physical network.

Gerry



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Last night I posted a request for help finishing the setup of X11R6,
and getting Openwin to work.

I want to sincerely thank the people who sent me email (you know who
you are).  The system is at home, so I cannot implement the fixes
that you people reccommended until tonight.  But I wanted to let you
know how much I appreciate the help.

Assuming all goes well with these fixes, I am going to be VERY happy
with my new Debian Linux system, and finally be able to start getting
some cockpit time!

>From an excited new Debian user...
also known as keng@aimnet.com
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Rick Macdonald wrote:

> I could run a 50-foot (15-metre) parallel cable from the Linux box to
> the room where the notebook is located. Then, the printer would be on
> the
> Linux box running Samba. I don't know what the limit is for parallel
> cable lengths though.

I think it is 15 feet (~5 meters) for parallel. To go the distance you
would need a parallel repeater or you could go serial with a drop in
throughput. The HPLJII does not resovle device contention on its ports
however, so you have to configure it for one port or the other (you can't
have some jobs comming in on serial and others on parallel and have the
printer switch automatically). To stick with parallel on the printer
end you could use a serial-to-parallel converter (cost ~$60 (US)). This
plus an auto parallel switch (cost ~$60 (US)) should do the trick and 
serial cable is cheap. The throughput would be limited to 19200 bits/second
however. To get parallel throughput (230000 BYTES/second) you would
have to buy more expensive cable and a line extender (a.k.a. repeater)(cost 
~$90 (US)).

The external ethernet lpd servers start at around $250 (US). The 
throughput is 10 million bits/second to the server (shared across all
devices on the segment), but from the server to the printer it is a regular
parallel connection. Ethernet is probably the most flexible in terms or
wiring the system as well.

_____________________________________________________________________
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I have the same problem. I to have upgraded some packages, but I can't
remember which ones. I will try to look at my list and try to remember
which ones I did just before I noticed it. 

Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> wrote:

>Hi,

>Something has happened to stop ls giving color output.  I used to be
>able to just run:

>eval `dircolors`

>and ls would work in color - even without specifying the "--color"
>option.  (And no, ls was not aliased)

>Now it seems I need to type "ls --color" to get color?

>What is the problem?  I've changed a number of things of late - moved
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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> > color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.
> 
> Strange. On my site it wasn't.
> 
> Michael
> 
same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
remains and wasn't removed

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Sorry all, I know this is not directly Debian-Linux related, but it does
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I keep getting thrown off the list because off 'excessive bounces'. This
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Note that my domain name has changed from 'avondel' to 'acondel'!

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I will add that `--color' is equivalent to `--color=yes', which is
probably not what you want.  If you make any aliases, use
`--color=tty'.  You don't want nasty escape codes if it's not a tty.

Try `ls --color | less' to see what I mean.

And fileutils does have a bug with regards to color-ls.  It should
conflict and replace with it so that it will be removed automatically.
I'll file a report.


Guy


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In article <19960801201822.AAA26815@hercules.bgm.link.com> "Jim Worthington" <jworthington@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> > I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
> > /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
> > to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the
> 
> As a Sun workstation user, I also prefer running openwin.  I was under the
> impression that this product was owned by Sun and not available for other
> platforms but I heard that some Linux distributions provided it
> (Redhat).

A long story ...

OpenLook is a user interface specification, looking like what Sun
offered years ago (pre-X11 times) as SunView.

XView is an implementation of the SunView API (with enhancements) and
looks very much like OpenLook. In order to say that it looks like
OpenLook you need a licence from Sun, this seems to cost money.

XView is available under a BSD-style licence. The XView distribution
includes the library and some client programs, the most advanced are
texttool and cmdtool.

OpenWindows is the whole toolset as offered by Sun. This includes
XView and more client programs (filetool, some calender and
others). It isn't freely available.

(Mistakes are mine ...)
 
> I've looked on the internet for openwin, but could never find
> anything. 

You should have looked for XView, since OpenWindows isn't freely
available.

> Where can I find a version that will run under Debian?

On ftp.debian.org, but you have to wait some days. I will upload xview
including the XView-included client programs next week. 

	Sven
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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
> Oh yes, it was aliased to do that. Just start the dircolors (the old one from
> the color-ls package, that is) from the shell and you'll see.

I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder why the
old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for this?

dpkg -L color-ls leaves me with:

/.
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/color-ls
/usr/man
/usr/man/man1
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/etc/DIR_COLORS

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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
> Erick, is there a way that you can persuade/hack dircolors to do what the old
> one did? Or put a note in the package to ease transition?

Not only that. Shouldn't we add /etc/DIR_COLORS into fileutils?

Michael

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> 
>> I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
>> /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
>> to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the
>
>As a Sun workstation user, I also prefer running openwin.  I was under the
>impression that this product was owned by Sun and not available for other
>platforms but I heard that some Linux distributions provided it (Redhat). 
>I've looked on the internet for openwin, but could never find anything. 
>Where can I find a version that will run under Debian? - something that is
>easily transportable.   Can we expect to see a Debian distribution of
>openwin anytime soon?

	First, correct if I am wrong, Bruce, but the xview toolkit does not
	currently have a maintainer and therefore no Debian packages as
	of yet.
	 (I have been thinking about since I have used xview for
	 several years, but I have been swamp to give it what is due)

	Second, Openwin is a desktop environment. The OpenLook (tm)
	window manager is olwm or olvwm.

	With the last release of xview (3.2p1) you roughly get the WM and
	shelltool.

.......................Bill,


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  Dirk> Oh yes, it was aliased to do that. Just start the dircolors (the old
  Dirk> one from the color-ls package, that is) from the shell and you'll
  Dirk> see.

  Michael>  I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder
  Michael> why the old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for
  Michael> this?

color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.

edd@miles:~> dpkg -l color-ls fileutils
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
pn  color-ls        <none>         (no description available)
ii  fileutils       3.13-2         GNU file management utilities.       

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd


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FYI :

Here's what we got from CERT a few minutes ago.

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                          Linux Security FAQ Update
                            rlogin Vulnerability
                        Tue Jul 30 17:51:57 EDT 1996
      Copyright (C) 1995 Alexander O. Yuriev (alex@bach.cis.temple.edu)
                              CIS Laboratories
                             TEMPLE  UNIVERSITY
                                   U.S.A.

 =============================================================================
 This is an official update of the Linux security FAQ, and it is supposed to
                be signed by one of the following PGP keys:

        
     pub  1024/9ED505C5 1995/12/06 Jeffrey A. Uphoff <juphoff@nrao.edu>
                  Jeffrey A. Uphoff <jeff.uphoff@linux.org>      
           1024/EFE347AD 1995/02/17 Olaf Kirch <okir@monad.swb.de>
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    Unless you are able to verify at least one of signatures, please be very
                    careful when following instructions.

   Linux Security WWW: http://bach.cis.temple.edu/linux/linux-security

             linux-security & linux-alert mailing list archives:
	
            ftp://linux.nrao.edu/pub/linux/security/list-archive

 =============================================================================

   ABSTRACT

   		A vulnerability exists in the rlogin program of NetKitB-0.6
		This vulnerability affects several widely used Linux
		distributions, including RedHat Linux 2.0, 2.1 and derived
		systems including Caldera Network Desktop, Slackware 3.0 and
		others. This vulnerability is not limited to Linux or any
		other free UNIX systems. Both the information about this
		vulnerability and methods of its expolit were made available
		on the Internet.

   RISK ASSESMENT

		Local and remote users could gain super-user priviledges

   DISTRIBUTION FIXES


   		Red Hat Commercial Linux

			Red Hat Linux version 2.0 and 2.1 contains
			vulnerable program unless NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm
			was installed.

			In order to fix the vulnerability install
			NetKit-B-0.06-7 rpm available from

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/old-releases/redhat-2.1/i386/updates/RPMS/NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm
ftp://bach.cis.temple.edu/pub/Linux/security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/RedHat-2.1/NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm
ftp://tarsier.cv.nrao.edu/pub/linux/security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/RedHat-2.1/NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm

			Please verify the MD5 signature of the RPM prior to
			installing it.

         601c3f6137a6fb15ae61a6b817395040  NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm

			Red Hat Linux version 3.0.3 (Picasso) does not
			contain vulnerable rlogin program.

		Caldera Network Desktop 

			Version 1 of CND contains the vulnerable program
			unless NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm was installed. 
			This RPM is available from

ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/cnd-1.0/updates/NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm
ftp://bach.cis.temple.edu/pub/Linux/Security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/CND/NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm
ftp://tarsier.cv.nrao.edu/pub/linux/security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/CND/NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm

			Please verify the MD5 signature of RPM prior to
			installing it.

        aeb2da201477cd3280fdc09836395c35  NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm

			Version 1 of CND upgraded to RedHat Linux 3.0.3
			(Picasso) does not contain a vulnerable program.
 
		Debian

			Debian Project did not either confirm or deny the
			vulnerability of Debian/GNU Linux 1.1.

			Debian/GNU Linux systems may be vulnerable if
			NetKit-B-0.6 is installed. Until the official
			fix-kit is available for Debian/GNU Linux, system
			administrators of Debian systems are advised to
			follow guidelines under Other Linux Distributions
			section.

		Slackware

			The Slackware Linux distribution Version 3.0 is
			confirmed to be vulnerable unless a NetKit newer
			than NetKit-B-0.6 is installed.

			Until the official fix-kit is available for
			Slackware 3.0, the system administrators are advised
			to follow the guidelines under Other Linux
			Distributions section.

		Yggdrasil

			Yggdrasil Computing's Plug & Play Linux Fall'95
			contains vulnerable rlogin program.

			Adam J. Richter from Yggdrasil Computing made an
			unofficial fix-kit available at
			ftp.yggdrasil.com/pub/support/fall95/rlogin_fix/

			We are unable to provide MD5 signature for the fix
			kit as we are unable to verify the integrity of the
			message.

		Other Linux Distributions

			System administrators of systems based on other
			Linux distributions or distributions that do not
			have official patch-kits available are advised to
			install newly released NetKit-B-0.7 available from
			ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/base
			and ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/Incoming

	CREDITS

		This LSF Update is based on the information provided by Alan
		Cox. The first patch for rlogin program was provided by Marc
		Ewing of Red Hat Software. Ron Holt of Caldera Inc provided
		fixed RPM for Caldera Network Desktop within 3 hours after
		the initial contact. Adam J. Richter provided unofficial
		information about the unofficial fix-kit for Yggdrasil Plug
		and Play Linux Fall'95.

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Hi Nathan --

You said:
> - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  

If you installed win95 *after* you installed lilo) you have win95's mbr.

To boot Linux now you can either install LILO as the boot manager,
with advice from Randy Jones, or you can retain win95 as the boot 
manager, but allow yourself a back door to get to Linux:

There are several ways to do this:
   -- set BootMulti=1 in the [options] section of MSDOS.SYS
      Then, next time you boot, just after you see the signal
      "Starting Windows 95", hit the 'F8' key.  This puts you into
      a menu mode, from which you can choose DOS (either 7.0 or your
      previous DOS) and then from there you can execute the LOADLIN.EXE
      command.  For example, 
          C:\BIN\LOADLIN.EXE /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb2 ro
      boots a linux system that has its root on hdb2.
   -- set BootWin=0 in your MSDOS.SYS file which will automatically
      bring up DOS 6.22.  Then run LOADLIN from there (from an AUTOEXEC.BAT
      file if you like).
   -- create a batch file containing the single line give above, then,
      on the win95 desktop, create a shortcut to the batch file, and type
      in the name of the batch file for the command line.  
      Then right click on it, select Properties, select the Program tab, 
      and the Advanced button.  Check the MS-DOS mode check box and 
      click OK.  Now Linux is just two clicks away.


Cheers,
Susan Kleinmann
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> > Linux openwin logo, but before the screen turns blue, the X-server
> > exits with the message
> > lwm: can't find library 'libolg.so.3'

[.. snap ..]

> This is a shared library and for libraries to be found you have to run
> ldconfig as root after moving or installing libraries.

Also make sure /usr/openwin/lib is mentioned in /etc/ldconfig.

Another option is to add /usr/openwin/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH using
	export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib
if you use bash, or
	setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/openwin/lib
if you use tcsh or csh.

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> I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder why the
> old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for this?

Some monitors make text unreadable (cheap laptops for example) when you use
colors. Maybe a postinst-script could ask if color-ls should be the new
default, move ls to ls-normal and make ls a link to color-ls.

Wichert.


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I would like to make my Linux box appear to the network like a gateway, sort
of like Wingate running on a 95 box. I've tried IPFWADM and had no success. 
Any ideas? Here's the general scenario.

        192.168.0.9 is the linux box, named CURLEY
        192.168.0.3 is a win95 box named CADZILLA
        192.168.0.4 is a win95 box named BLOO

        After Linux connects, a route for <my isp's gateway> is added in as 
        the default gateway. At this point PPP works on the Linux box to the 
        internet.

        IPFWADM is started using 
        ipfwadm -F -m -a accept -S 192.168.0.3/24 -D 0.0.0.0

        The 95 boxes are set up in the TCP/IP setup to use 192.168.0.9
        (curley) as a gateway. 

        On the 95 box, when I try to telnet to another known good host
        on the 'net, I get a connection failed: timed out message. 

At this point, I think I'm more than a little confused. Anyone ever gotten
ipfwadm to work? If so, do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Any help
would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Tim


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Wichert Akkerman writes:
> > I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder why the
> > old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for this?
> 
> Some monitors make text unreadable (cheap laptops for example) when you use
> colors. Maybe a postinst-script could ask if color-ls should be the new
> default, move ls to ls-normal and make ls a link to color-ls.

I do not understand the problem. If you're monitor doesn't like the colors
why don't you simply not call dircolors? Then the new ls doesn't have colors
at all.

Michael

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After trying  everything everyone suggested a couple of weeks ago I gave =
up and went on vacation. I've been back all week but now I have to deal =
with it.

My problem is this: when booting from the hard disk I get "LI" from LILO =
and nothing else. I thought that this problem was caused by the fact =
that I was using a large drive in a machine with an old BIOS.

Assuming that the problem was the large drive, the obvious suggestion =
that the LILO documentation (and several of you) made was to use the =
LINEAR option. That didn't seem to help.

So I found the LILO documentation (which btw is excellent!). It pointed =
me into running lilo with the following options:

	lilo -v -v -v -t

which produced the following output:

LILO version 17, Copyright 1992-1995 Werner Almesberger

Reading boot sector from /dev/hda1
Device 0x0300: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
               63 sectors. Partition offset: 0 sectors.
Merging with /boot/boot.b
Device 0x0301: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
               63 sectors. Partition offset: 63 sectors.
Secondary loader: 7 sectors.
Device 0x0301: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
               63 sectors. Partition offset: 63 sectors.
Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.0
Device 0x0301: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
               63 sectors. Partition offset: 63 sectors.
Setup length is 9 sectors.
Mapped 1008 sectors.
Added Linux *
    <dev=3D0xc0,hd=3D1,cyl=3D67,sct=3D85>
    "ro root=3D301"
Map file size: 8192 bytes.

I read further into the LILO technical documentation and it said the =
following about the "LILO" letters printing during startup:

The boot sector is loaded by the ROM-BIOS at address 0x07C00. It moves
itself to address 0x9A000, sets up the stack (growing downwards from
0x9B000 to 0x9A200), loads the secondary boot loader at address
0x9B000 and transfers control to it. It displays an ``L'' after moving
itself and an ``I'' before starting the secondary boot loader. If a read
error occurs when loading the secondary boot loader, a two-digit hex =
code
is displayed after the ``L''. This results in an endless stream of error
codes if the problem is permanent. Displaying these error codes is =
disabled
if the build-time option {NO1STDIAG} is set.
...
...
...
The secondary boot loader displays an ``L'' after being started and an =
``O''
after loading the descriptor table and the default command line. Before
loading the descriptor table, it checks, whether it has been loaded at =
the
correct location and displays a question mark if it hasn't. If the
descriptor table has an incorrect checksum, a minus sign is displayed.

So my impression is that LILO is failing either during the load of the =
secondary boot loader or starting the secondary boot loader. In case it =
was the later (assuming a corrupted secondary boot loader) I downloaded =
a new lilo and installed (twice) with the same results.

So now I am assuming that the problem occurs during the loading of the =
secondary loader. But why? /dev/hda1 is the first partition on the drive =
and is only 200MB. It can't be crossing the 1024 sector limit. Why is =
lilo showing BIOS drive 0x80 as having 64 heads, 527 cylinders and 63 =
heads (this calculates out to the about the actual drive size using =
512-byte sector size)? Is this the problem? The BIOS is actually set up =
as type 47 (user) with 16 heads, 2111 Cylinders and 63 sectors.

Any hints on where to go from here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Al Youngwerth
alberty@apexxtech.com


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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
>   Michael>  I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder
>   Michael> why the old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for
>   Michael> this?
> 
> color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.
> 
> edd@miles:~> dpkg -l color-ls fileutils
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name            Version        Description
> +++-===============-==============-============================================
> pn  color-ls        <none>         (no description available)
> ii  fileutils       3.13-2         GNU file management utilities.       

Strange. On my site it wasn't.

Michael

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I had no luck getting X to run on my first installation of Debian
1.1 from the Gold cd from I-connect.

So I completely re-loaded the distribution, taking extra care to
resolve the dependency conflicts.

When I got to the configure packages section, I noticed in the
error message
  "dpkg - Configure returned error exit status 1"
that there were still a couple of things not installed right.

So I went back and fixed that, and everything configured fine
except the X server setup.  After fixing a problem with the
mouse in XF86Config, I got X up and running fairly well.  I think it
is giving me fvwm as the default window manager, and the middle mouse
button doesn't work right ( the menu flashes a lot and I cannot select
anything on that menu).

I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
/usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the
Linux openwin logo, but before the screen turns blue, the X-server
exits with the message
lwm: can't find library 'libolg.so.3'

That library exists in the openwin/lib hierarchy, so I think there must
be a link missing somewhere, possibly between /usr/X11/lib and somewhere.
Do you know anything about this, or can I give you any more information
to help me solve this?

Thanks!!

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I am using a Mach 64 card (ATI Winboost, as far as I can tell) that
seems to hang when I run the XF86_Mach64 server.  From various
postings to this list I gather that there is hope I will be able to
run it successfully with the XFree86 3.1.2E Mach64 server.

My understanding is that the currently available Debian X11R6 packages
are from XFree86 3.1.2 and to upgrade I will need first to install the
3.1.2D distribution from ftp.xfree86.org then to install the upgrade
files for 3.1.2E.  Can anyone confirm this?  I would prefer an
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I've now recompiled the kernel, and I answered yes
to PPP support in 'make config'.
I've also installed the PPP package.
Anyway, when I now try to use pppd, I get an error
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What's wrong with my setup?


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> I can't find the default format file!
> 
> What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
> through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.

LaTeX package was broken.  Is fixed in version 2e-7. You need mflib 1.0-8
as well.

Erick


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Collegues

I installed Debian/Linux 1.1 on a Intel Endeavour P133
system. When I leave the system for a while, the screen
blacks out and the system seems to be sleeping, I guess the APM
function. -=The green led on the box blinks instead of normal behaviour.-

This sleeping is desirable, but not during long computations
when it also sleeps and stops the system.

Any pointers ? Thanks in advance.

Pieter Vankeerberghen

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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
>   Robert> same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
> 	                                   ^^^^^^
>   Robert> remains and wasn't removed
> 
> Sure, 3.12-4 is not 3.13-{1,2}. Try a newer version of fileutils.

Sorry Dirk but

147) dpkg -s fileutils
Package: fileutils
Essential: yes
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Maintainer: Erick Branderhorst <branderh@debian.org>
Version: 3.13-2
         ^^^^^^
Replaces: color-ls
Pre-Depends: libc5 (>= 5.2.18-9)
Description: GNU file management utilities.
 The utilities: chgrp chmod chown cp dd df dir dircolors du install ln
 ls mkdir mkfifo mknod mv rm rmdir sync touch vdir.

Michael

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We needed to produce some .deb packages when our site began utilizing debian. We would
like to offer them to the public, but we cannot find a way to submit them anywhere.

Could someone please tell us what to do? The documentation on how to submit packages
or become an official maintainer are in total disarray right now. Here is a list of
packages available from ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian today:

mgetty-0.99-1.deb	Adds PPP autodetect to mgetty.
ppp-2.2.0fx-1.i386.deb	Adds Remote configuration ability for DNS information
        for dialin Win95 and WinNT users.
apache-1.1.1-1.deb	Upgraded Apache Package with proxy Cache support etc.

verse-0.12.deb		Daily Inspiration through a verse from the King James Bible

Planned .deb package from our site (Please tell us if this is anywhere already available!)
We are running a full Campus Setup here and we will produce the following packages for our setup:
- Harvester		Caching Daemon
- SmartList		ListServer with Full Sendmail integration
- procmail		with Full Sendmail Integration
- fwtk			Firewall Toolkit
- hylafax		Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration
- sac			System Accounting tools
- strobe,tcpspray	Probe other systems
- ircd			IRC Daemon
- 3270 Telnet
- Hytelnet


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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, nathan work wrote:

> ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
> little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
> - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
> this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
> to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
> from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

What I have done is similar to what Susan suggest in using LOADLIN, but I
have setup a menuitem in config.sys to handle it.  The line I use in the
config.sys file is:

shell=c:\loadlin.exe c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 ro

This assumes my root file system is on hda6.  This way when I boot I have
the option presented to me.  It is very much like LILO, but is all done
through DOS/WIN95 utilities (when I started using linux, I was more
comfortable doing it this way).

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From: Berntsen <rubernts@online.no>
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At 23:07 01.08.96 -0500, you wrote:
>Regarding your PPP problem:
>
>I just finished fighting something similar. I think what's happening is that
>the 'chat' section is not getting started. To test it, use the following 
>command (but insert your info in the right places)
>
>pppd -connect 'chat -v "" ATDT5551212 CONNECT "" ogin: yerlogin word:
>yerpassword' /dev/cua1 38400 debug modem noipdefault netmask 255.0.0.0

I'll try it. But I think the problem has something to do with modules,
since I get an error message saying that modprobe can't find ppp0.


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Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 05:40:27 +0200
To: Lawrence Chim <ychim@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au>
From: Berntsen <rubernts@online.no>
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At 13:35 02.08.96 +1000, you wrote:
>Berntsen wrote:
>> 
>> When I boot I get the following on my screen:
>> 
>> PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
>> TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
>> PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
>> PPP line discipline registered
>> ...
>> ...
>> Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd
>> 
>> When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
>> The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.
>> 
>> It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
>> /etc/ppp/options
>> /etc/ppp/chatscript
>> It's just that it doesn't dial.
>> What's wrong?
>
>It seems that you didn't set the ATDT<phone no> in your chatscript file.
>
Yes, I did.
I found out even more.
modprobe probes for ppp0, which is set as:
alias ppp0 ppp
alias ppp1 ppp
in the etc/conf.modules
So it seems as if kerneld think that ppp is a module or something (?)
Well, I think the ppp is loaded, but not as a module,
so how should I fix it?


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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Mike Schmitz wrote:

> A while back I remember a question about dosemu not being able to boot 
> from a floppy with a message like "Not a good day to die". I did not 
> save, and cannot recall the answer.
> 
> I would appreciate it highly if someone who did save it, would re-post it.

	Sure, infact I had wrote a message much like a few others with
this problem. Off hand I can't replicate the error message (for fear of
losing my connection, a serial thing if you know what I mean), but it had
something to do with not recognizing my floppy parameters. However, the
hdimage did work, though the problem wasn't fixed, I was able to boot up
the dosemu, just not from the floppy drive. :(.

travis



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...
>   		A vulnerability exists in the rlogin program of NetKitB-0.6
>		This vulnerability affects several widely used Linux
>		distributions, including RedHat Linux 2.0, 2.1 and derived
>		systems including Caldera Network Desktop, Slackware 3.0 and
>		others. 
...
>		Local and remote users could gain super-user priviledges
...
>		Debian
>
>			Debian Project did not either confirm or deny the
>			vulnerability of Debian/GNU Linux 1.1.
>
>			Debian/GNU Linux systems may be vulnerable if
>			NetKit-B-0.6 is installed. Until the official
>			fix-kit is available for Debian/GNU Linux, system
>			administrators of Debian systems are advised to
>			follow guidelines under Other Linux Distributions
>			section.

Anyone have any more comments about this? There is no package called NetKit
that I know of, I'm just curious if the developers have anything to say?

Thanks,
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When I boot I get the following on my screen:

PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
PPP line discipline registered
...
...
Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd

When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.

It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
/etc/ppp/options
/etc/ppp/chatscript
It's just that it doesn't dial.
What's wrong?


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This is just to correct a typo on my earlier message.  I wrote:

 Doug> Can anyone confirm this?  I would prefer an unnecessary
 Doug> upgrade.

That last sentence doesn't make sense unless I have suddenly acquired
masochistic tendencies.  I meant to write "I would prefer to avoid an
unnecessary upgrade."                                     ^^^^^^^^


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I just tried using Lyx for the first time tonight, and I get the following
result in the controlling terminal when I try to run LaTeX from the File
Menu:

I can't find the default format file!

What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.

Steve.





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I just finished fighting something similar. I think what's happening is that
the 'chat' section is not getting started. To test it, use the following 
command (but insert your info in the right places)

pppd -connect 'chat -v "" ATDT5551212 CONNECT "" ogin: yerlogin word:
yerpassword' /dev/cua1 38400 debug modem noipdefault netmask 255.0.0.0

Use /dev/cua0 for COM1, /dev/cua1 for COM2.
Replace 5551212 with your ISP's phone#, and change it to ATm0DT if you want 
the modem not to raise cain when it connects (mine's loud as heck!)

When it's done, and looks connected, issue 

route add default gw 123.123.123.123

Replace 123.123.123.123 with your ISP's gateway address. If you don't know it,
they can give it to you.

This should work for diagnostic purposes, but sure is a pain to do each time.
I set up some scripts to do it all for me, works ok. Let me know if this helps,
if something needs clarification, let me know.

Good luck!
Tim

BTW, let me know if it works on your system..


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Hi Tim --

I have succeeded in making ipfw going by doing 2 things:

1.  Set up ipfw in the kernel.

    To do this, I set these networking options (all other networking options
    were not set, i.e., their value=n).
    -----------
    CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y
    CONFIG_NET=y
    CONFIG_FIREWALL=y
    CONFIG_NET_ALIAS=y
    CONFIG_INET=y
    CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y
    
    CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y
    
    CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y
    
    CONFIG_IP_ALWAYS_DEFRAG=y
    
    CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=m
    
    CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y
    CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y
    CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y
    CONFIG_DUMMY=m
    
    CONFIG_PPP=m
    
    CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
    CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y
    
    CONFIG_EL3=m

    -----------
    I suspect I didn't have to set all of them, particularly
    CONFIG_NET_ALIAS, but setting it doesn't seem to hurt much.

2.  I have a line like yours in my /etc/ppp/ip-up script.  Mine says:

ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -P all -S 192.168.0.2/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0

where 192.168.0.2 is the IP address of my husband's Windows machine.
I suspect the differences between your line and mine don't matter very
much.


Other than that, all I had to do was to set up the appropriate 
databases on the Windows machine.

Then it just worked.  If this is any help, let me (really, the list)
know.  I think a lot of people are wondering how to do this.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann
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This message is in reply to the one just posted by Susan Kleinmann:

I tried something similar to what you said, but I could not get it to work. 
What did work for me was what Bernd Eckenfels mentioned earlier (Thanks, Bernd).

        Essentially, 
        ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.0/29 -D 0/0

        Which will masquerade host 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.7

I tried it and it worked. As we type, I'm looking in the man pages still
trying to gain a better understanding (seeing as I'm a bit of a Linux 
newbee). 

Just one more thang... I know ping wont work through this, but is there 
something I can do to make FTP operational from all the other machines 
besides the Linux box? 

Thanks, I hope this helps everyone else out as much as it did me. 

Tim 

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>         192.168.0.9 is the linux box, named CURLEY
>         192.168.0.3 is a win95 box named CADZILLA
>         192.168.0.4 is a win95 box named BLOO
>         ipfwadm -F -m -a accept -S 192.168.0.3/24 -D 0.0.0.0

You can manage this with two commands (one for each host):

"ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.3 -D 0/0"
"ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.4 -D 0/0"

or:

"ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.0/29 -D 0/0"
(will masquerade host 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.7)

You can look at the Rules with "ipfwadm -F -ln"

The -m Option is ONLY used to display the active connections, NOT for
setting a masquerade connection. The Default Destination must be given with
a /0 netmask, or masquerading will only be used if you try to connect to the
HOST 0.0.0.0.

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Dear Nathan:
 
 I currently run Win95 and DEBIAN GNU/Linux 1.1 using the following
 lilo.conf:
 
 prompt
 boot=/dev/hda
 delay=5
 image=/vmlinuz
    label=linux
    root=/dev/hda2
    vga=ask
 
 other=/dev/hda1
    label=win95
    table=/dev/hda
 
 The DOS partition is on hda1 , Linux on hda2 , swap is hda3.
 After the installation of linux do not reboot. Using the ae editor edit
 the lilo.conf file which can be found in /etc. After editing lilo.conf
 run lilo.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Fritz


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nathan work writes:
> ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
> little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
> - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
> this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
> to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
> from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

There is a mini HOWTO about this problem: Linux+Win95.

As a short explanation. Boot your machine under Linux (I hope you have a
bootdisk) and edit /etc/lilo.conf accordingly. Then run lilo. Et voila.

Here's my lilo.conf

# Start LILO global section
boot = /dev/hda
compact        # faster, but won't work on all systems.
delay = 50
vga=extended
ramdisk = 0     # paranoia setting
# End LILO global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
image = /vmlinuz
  root = /dev/hda2
  label = linux
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# WIN95 bootable partition config begins
other = /dev/hda1
  label = win95
  loader = /boot/any_d.b
# WIN95 bootable partition config ends

Michael

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Dear Nathan:

I currently run Win95 and DEBIAN GNU/Linux 1.1 using the following
lilo.conf:

prompt
boot=/dev/hda
delay=5
image=/vmlinuz
   label=linux
   root=/dev/hda2
   vga=ask

other=/dev/hda1
   label=win95
   table=/dev/hda

The DOS partition is on hda1 , Linux on hda2 , swap is hda3.
After the installation of linux do not reboot. Using the ae editor edit
the lilo.conf file which can be found in /etc. After editing lilo.conf
run lilo.

Best regards,

Fritz


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Steven Tonnesen writes:
> I just tried using Lyx for the first time tonight, and I get the following
> result in the controlling terminal when I try to run LaTeX from the File
> Menu:
> 
> I can't find the default format file!
> 
> What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
> through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.

Maybe you should try to run Latex manually to get a better error message.
But I doubt it. I would recommend you re-install the latex packages.

Michael

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cbitmead@versant :
> > [debian - ftp method - socks / proxy ftp site - perl script...]
> 
> Maybe you can socksify perl??

	After a bit of study, that was the solution I was looking
for. I've got perl and will try it this afternoon (uk time).
	By the way, there seem to be a project to develop a proxy
version of the Perl socket package (in the list of perl modules). That
could also be a solution (see on the perl web).
	Anyway, it would be nice to have a "proxy ftp" method in
dselect in addition to the "ftp" method (you can't just replace
ftp...). You need it to install the system, gcc and co, so even before
being able to compile a socks version of perl (chicken and eggs ?).
	I will keep you informed of my progress...

	Thanks for the help...

	Jean


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Hi Pieter -- 

You asked:
> ... sleeping is desirable, but not during long computations
> when it also sleeps and stops the system.
> Any pointers ? 

You could try either or both of these:
a) check out your CMOS setup.  Perhaps it is initiating a sleeping mode
   you hadn't intended.
b) turn off APM in the kernel.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Robert --
> 	i'm haveing trouble configureing my mouse for use in the
> xf86config. i have a logitech 2 button mouse. in the boot process it saz
> foud PS/2 mouse but nothing more. i have in the xf86config file:
> 
> Section "Pointer"
> 	Protocal "PS/2"
> 	Device   "/dev/mouse"
> 

What do you get when you execute
	ls -l /dev/mouse
Does the link point to the I/O port which is connected to your mouse?


Susan Kleinmann


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Steven Tonnesen wrote:
> 
> I just tried using Lyx for the first time tonight, and I get the following
> result in the controlling terminal when I try to run LaTeX from the File
> Menu:
> 
> I can't find the default format file!
> 
> What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
> through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.
> 
> Steve.



I had the same problem a few days ago.
If you are using latex version latex-2e-4 (you can check
issuing the command: "dpgk -l latex\*") get latex-2e-7 and 
mflib-1.0-8 from rex/binary-all/tex .


-- 

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I have recently upgraded to Debian 1.1 from 0.93R6 and have noticed a big
performance drop when using the f2c program to run FORTRAN programs.

Here are the numbers:

24 secs execution time when compiled and run under 0.93R6.
30 secs execution time when compiled under 0.93R6 and run under 1.1
36 secs execution time when compiled and run under 1.1

I'm not sure about version numbers but the shared library version number for
0.93R6 is 0.11, and for Debian 1.1 the version number is 2.1.

Obviously 0.93R6 is aout and 1.1 is elf but i don't know if this is relevant.

There is no performance loss with C programs.

Any suggestions welcome.




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Hi!

I'm looking for a xarchie package. Does someone have one out there? I
might create one, if not.


Cheers

Chris

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Hi!

> My understanding is that the currently available Debian X11R6 packages
> are from XFree86 3.1.2 and to upgrade I will need first to install the
> 3.1.2D distribution from ftp.xfree86.org then to install the upgrade
> files for 3.1.2E.  Can anyone confirm this?  I would prefer an
> unnecessary upgrade.

I use an ATI Win Turbo with Mach 64 Chip (I think). Therefore I needed
XFree86 3.1.2E (release D is expired). This is what I did and it might
also work for you:

1. Install Debian as usual, with all X stuff and the Mach64 Server. 

2. Install the XFree86 3.1.2E Mach64 Server Binary (this is only the
/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 file!) over the old server.

Using the new server with the old libs/binaries works fine. I think it is
the best way to first install the old server and then overwrite it, so
debian thinks that the depencies are correct. Otherwise it will complain
about not having a X server installed.


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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Adrenolin wrote:

> hiya all
> 	i'm haveing trouble configureing my mouse for use in the
> xf86config. i have a logitech 2 button mouse. in the boot process it saz
> foud PS/2 mouse but nothing more. i have in the xf86config file:
> 
> Section "Pointer"
> 	Protocal "PS/2"
> 	Device   "/dev/mouse"
> 
> 	how can i set this correctly and/or check where/what the Device
> should be. i use startx and use the fvwm window manager. it comes up but
> no control over the mouse.

Are you sure this is a PS/2 mouse? Does it have the cylindrical connector
or the trapazoidal 9 pin DIN? I'm not sure why the kernel says it found a
PS mouse, but it sounds like you want the serial protocal.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Christian Schwarz writes:
> I'm looking for a xarchie package. Does someone have one out there? I
> might create one, if not.

It's in non-free.

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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Berntsen wrote:

> I've now recompiled the kernel, and I answered yes
> to PPP support in 'make config'.
> I've also installed the PPP package.
> Anyway, when I now try to use pppd, I get an error
> message saying that PPP is not supported in the kernel.
> What's wrong with my setup?
> 
As far as I know, PPP must still be compiled as a module, not built-in.
Try M instead of Y for your response. It should work then.

Luck,

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  Robert> same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
                                          ^^^^^^
  Robert> remains and wasn't removed
 
  Dirk>  Sure, 3.12-4 is not 3.13-{1,2}. Try a newer version of fileutils.

  Michael> Sorry Dirk but

I never said that _you_ were using 3.12. Robert said he did, and I was only
pointing out that wasn't the right one to begin with. 

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>What I have done is similar to what Susan suggest in using LOADLIN, but I
>have setup a menuitem in config.sys to handle it.  The line I use in the
>config.sys file is:
>
>shell=c:\loadlin.exe c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 ro
>
>This assumes my root file system is on hda6.  This way when I boot I have
>the option presented to me.  It is very much like LILO, but is all done
>through DOS/WIN95 utilities (when I started using linux, I was more
>comfortable doing it this way).
>
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In my case, I started out (several years back) using LILO to dual-boot
DOS or Linux.  But, I actually have found now that the Loadlin option
not only is more convenient for Win-95, but actually makes more sense
on a PC.  The only problem is that Loadlin has some memory
limitations.  But, if you use the Menu-config.sys thing with DOS, then
booting bare with the Loadlin option works great.

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> I'm looking for a xarchie package. Does someone have one out there? I
> might create one, if not.

xarchie is in non-free part of the archive. Not on cdrom.

Erick


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Berntsen wrote:

> When I boot I get the following on my screen:
> 
> PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
> TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
> PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
> PPP line discipline registered
> ...
> ...
> Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd
> 
> When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
> The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.
> 
> It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
> /etc/ppp/options
> /etc/ppp/chatscript
> It's just that it doesn't dial.
> What's wrong?
> 
I might help if we could see those two scripts :-)

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Hi All,

I want to let you know how bad the service of the Debian/Linux Distributor
is. I include a copy of our correspondence with I-Connect.

Bye, Sonja


>			24-Jun-96
> Dear I-Connect,
>
> We would like to order a CD-ROM of the Debian/Linux 1.1 Distribution
> for our laboratory at
>
>  Hadassah Medical School, Dept. of Physiology, Jerusalem, Israel.
>
> Can you please inform aus about:
>
>  - total price incl. shippment
>  - method of payment
>  - time to delivery
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Regards,
>           Markus Diesmann


>>Hi Markus Diesmann;  On 24-Jun-96 you wrote:
>>
>> - total price incl. shippment
>>  $25.00 % 0.85 + $10.00 = 31.25 - 1.25 = 30.00
>>  - method of payment
>> Money order, Visa, MC.
>>  - time to delivery
>>Will ship in 24 hours from receipt of order.
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>>
>>Al Lo Davar.
>>Sincerely Yours,           (Sent on 06/25/96, 05:27:11 by XF-Mail)

>>Simon Shapiro              i-Connect.Net, a Division of iConnect Corp.
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>>Shimon@i-Connect.Net       Voice:  503.677.2900, Emergency: 503.441.1681


> 		 Jerusalem, 26.6.96
>
> Dear I-Connect,
>
> hereby I order
>    1  CD-ROM of Debian/Linux 1.1
> for total price incl. shippment (as you mentioned):
>
> $25.00 % 0.85 + $10.00 = 31.25 - 1.25 = 30.00$
> Please charge my Mastercard # XXX
>                               expiring XXX
>
> Thanks in advance,  Sonja
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Sonja Gruen
> Dept. of Physiology
> Hebrew University
> Hadassah Medical School
> P.O.Box 12272
> Jersualem, 91120
> Tel: 00972-2-758384
> Fax: 00972-2-439736
> email: gruen@hbf.huji.ac.il
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------


>>Shalom Sonja.
>>
>>Nishlah od hashavua.
>>
>>Sincerely Yours,           (Sent on 06/26/96, 03:52:19 by XF-Mail)
>>
>>Simon Shapiro              i-Connect.Net, a Division of iConnect Corp.
>>Director of Technology     13455 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 140 Beaverton OR 97008
>>Shimon@i-Connect.Net       Voice:  503.677.2900, Emergency: 503.441.1681

>				12-Jul-96 you wrote:
> Hi Simon Sapiro,
>
> I ordered 3 weeks (!!!) ago one CD-ROM of Debian/Linux 1.1,
> and you replied to ship it immediately. However, I wonder that it
> takes that long.
> Please, sent a note, when I should expect to get it.
>
> Bye, Sonja
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Sonja Gruen
> Dept. of Physiology
> Hebrew University
> Hadassah Medical School
> P.O.Box 12272
> Jersualem, 91120
> Tel: 00972-2-758384
> Fax: 00972-2-439736
> email: gruen@hbf.huji.ac.il
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>>Sorry for the delay.  It all started with bad Linux kernel and then a huge
>>backlog.  We will process your order today or tomorrow.
>>Thanx for your patience.
>>
>>Sincerely Yours,           (Sent on 07/11/96, 12:06:34 by XF-Mail)
>>
>>Simon Shapiro              i-Connect.Net, a Division of iConnect Corp.
>>Director of Technology     14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 140 Beaverton OR 97008
>>Shimon@i-Connect.Net       Voice:  503.677.2900, Emergency: 503.441.1681



>				Jerusalem, 2nd of August, 1996
> Mr Simon Shapiro,
>
>it is unbeliveable, that you do not manage to send me the CD-ROMS
>(Debian/Linux 1.1) I ordered 5 weeks ago. I even reminded you 2 weeks
>ago, but nothing happened yet. It is very bad style of you, especially
>if you see how well organized the (public domain) debian products are
>distributed and discussed.
>I will inform the debian user group about that.
>
>If I will not receive the CD within the next week, I will cancel my order.
>
>
>Regards, Sonja Gruen


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Hi all,

I noticed 1.1.3 up on the master debian ftp site. Where is
the doc that states the changes from 1.1.2? As far as I see it,
its just a link back to the Debian-1.1-fixed (just like 1.1.2
had)

Jim

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Hi,

> Just one more thang... I know ping wont work through this, but is there 
> something I can do to make FTP operational from all the other machines 
> besides the Linux box? 

you can eighter use passive FTP from the PC (Netscape does this for
example), or you need to load the ip_masq_ftp module. (With depmod
ip_masq_ftp, or by inserting a line into /etc/modules and reboot).

Greetings
Bernd


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On 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Planned .deb package from our site (Please tell us if this is anywhere
> already available!) We are running a full Campus Setup here and we will
> produce the following packages for our setup:
> - Harvester		Caching Daemon

Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
a few version behind.

> - procmail		with Full Sendmail Integration

Isn't this part of buzz/stable?

> - hylafax		Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration

You could also use efax which is part of buzz. Someone is working on qfax 
(multi-user extensions to efax).

I've also been working on a few packages myself:

- analog			WWW stats program
- apache + php + webcounter	Apache with several additional modules

I'm hoping to do the following:

- merit radius
- nocol				Network monitoring package
- ldap
- gated				(for internal use - Gated have strict
				redistribution policies!)

Dermot

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Hi,

> other = /dev/hda1
>   label = win95
>   loader = /boot/any_d.b

AFAIK any_d.b is used to swap C: and d: drive. If you OS is on the first drive
you need to run chain.b instead.

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Hi guys,
 
I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention of any ftp usage
when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be a separate binary called
dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...
 
I'm trying to download the latest Debian distribution via FTP, but I've
had problems both with ncftp and with dftp. I was hoping dpkg-ftp would
be a better solution...
 
Another suggestion was to mirror debian. How much space is required to 
mirror? Can a mirror be partial?

Lastly, once I've gotten all that's required from FTP, is dselect a good 
method to use for performing the install?

Thanks,
Ricardo


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Christian Schwarz wrote:

> 2. Install the XFree86 3.1.2E Mach64 Server Binary (this is only the
> /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 file!) over the old server.
> 
> Using the new server with the old libs/binaries works fine. I think it is
> the best way to first install the old server and then overwrite it, so
> debian thinks that the depencies are correct. Otherwise it will complain
> about not having a X server installed.

A better way would be to install the new server somewhere in
/usr/local.  Then edit the file /etc/X11/Xserver so it refers to the
new server.  It's best to install local software in /usr/local and not
in /usr.

I'm not sure, but you may need to install the package termcap-compat
for the XFree beta servers to work.


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

> On 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> > Planned .deb package from our site (Please tell us if this is anywhere
> > already available!) We are running a full Campus Setup here and we will
> > produce the following packages for our setup:
> > - Harvester		Caching Daemon
> 
> Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
> a few version behind.
Never heard of Squid. Speedwise I have seen no other software that could
compete with Harvester.
> 
> > - procmail		with Full Sendmail Integration
> 
> Isn't this part of buzz/stable?
Yes but its not set up as the local mailer. Sendmail uses deliver under
Debian as far as I can see.
> 
> > - hylafax		Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration
> 
> You could also use efax which is part of buzz. Someone is working on qfax 
> (multi-user extensions to efax).
I need an integration with Sendmail and the ability to control the time
period and where those faxes are sent.
> 
> I've also been working on a few packages myself:
> 
> - analog			WWW stats program
> - apache + php + webcounter	Apache with several additional modules
There are webcounter cgi-bin thingies that we are using on our site.

The most important stuff for you will probably be the apache source code.
I'd really like to see someone maintaining it and keeping it current.

> 
> I'm hoping to do the following:
> 
> - merit radius
> - nocol				Network monitoring package
> - ldap
> - gated				(for internal use - Gated have strict
> 				redistribution policies!)
I know. Perhaps you can just publish the patches and have debian.rules do
an automatic ftp from the gated site?

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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:
> > Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
> > a few version behind.
> Never heard of Squid. Speedwise I have seen no other software that could
> compete with Harvester.

Squid started out as patches for Harvest whenever its (free) development 
stopped. However squid now has more functionally than Harvest cached - in 
the same way as Apache started from NCSA's httpd. Have a look at
http://www.nlanr.net

> > I've also been working on a few packages myself:
> > 
> > - analog			WWW stats program
> > - apache + php + webcounter	Apache with several additional modules
> There are webcounter cgi-bin thingies that we are using on our site.

I'm using the webcounter module as it's neater.

> The most important stuff for you will probably be the apache source code.
> I'd really like to see someone maintaining it and keeping it current.

Creating a debian package of apache1.1.1 is simple - I just used the 
debian.* files out of the old package as a basis. That's when I started 
added extras like the webcounter.......

> > - gated				(for internal use - Gated have strict
> > 				redistribution policies!)
> I know. Perhaps you can just publish the patches and have debian.rules do
> an automatic ftp from the gated site?

Can do. I haven't started on it yet - hopefully within the next week. A 
few header files gated needs seem to be missing (like 
/usr/include/netinet/ip_var.h) and I believe that libc5.3.x should have 
them so I may need to upgrade parts of my system to "unstable".

Dermot

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i have two hosts, a and b, running debian 1.1.  in a that i upgraded
from debian 0.93, java works fine in netscape 3.0b5a.  in b where debian
1.1 was installed from scratch, java applets don't work. not even the
java console shows up.  there are no error messages.

i suspect that the problem is with X, since java works if i'm on a and
start netscape remotely on b and doesn't work if i'm on b and start java
remotely on a.

any idea what might be going wrong?  in a X runs in 16 bit mode and in b
in 24 bit mode, but i have also tried 16 bit mode in b.  ldd output is:

lohi:~% ldd `which netscape`
        libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
        libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
        libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
        libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
        libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4.7
        libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
        libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
        libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

-- juha


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The current way I manage my e-mail involves using popclient to get
incoming e-mail from my ISP (mail.polaris.net) to dwarf's incoming mail
folder on my machine (dwarf.polaris.net), outgoing mail is handled by Pine
using SMTP. I would like to try some other mail readers like elm and emacs
but none of these seem to be able to do SMTP and so require the presence
of a mail-delivery-agent.
I know I have heard pro and con discussions about smail vs sendmail but am
still confused. Also I hear hints that qmail (?) will soon be a Debian
package. I am a complete idiot when it comes to mail systems, so please be
simple and clear in your answer ;-)
What do I need to understand to install and use any of the available
packages?
If I am going to go to the trouble of learning to install a
mail-delivery-agent I will want to be able to filter mail to various
mail-folders based on the source of that mail. If that is not available in
the mail-delivery-agent, then point me to a package that will work with
the target mail-delivery-agent.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Dwarf

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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

> Hi guys,
>  
> I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention of any ftp usage
> when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be a separate binary called
> dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...

No dpkg-ftp provides a 'ftp' method for dselect. Install dpkg-ftp, start
dselect and go in the 'Access' screen. You'll see a new installation
method called 'ftp'...

  Christian



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I'm not sure if this is a bug or not so I'm not reporting it as one
yet.

1. Both ytalk and talk work talking on the same machine.
2. Neither ytalk nor talk will talk to other machines.
3. talk just sits (no talk request is transmitted), ytalk prints an

   find_daemon: recv() failed
   Connection refused

   sendit: recv() failed
   Connection refused

   sendit: recv() failed
   Connection refused

4. mesg has been set to `y', so that's not it.
5. I can receive talk requests from other machines, but cannot accept
   them.
6. The machines I am trying to talk to are an OSF/1 2.1 machine,
   a Solaris 2.4 machine, and a Linux box running RedHat 3.0.  The
   RedHat box also has the same problem.

Either I'm clueless or something is wrong with Linux talk.  I'm aware
of the various flavors of talk, but ytalk should be able to talk to
most of them.  Actually, Linux `talk' should be able to talk to all
common flavors of talk.

Dan
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>
>I want to let you know how bad the service of the Debian/Linux Distributor
>is. I include a copy of our correspondence with I-Connect.
>
...
>>>Sorry for the delay.  It all started with bad Linux kernel and then a huge
>>>backlog.  We will process your order today or tomorrow.


I, too, had some frustrating interaction with I-Connect, but Simon explained
the situation with the bad kernel or whatever, and when he finally told me
that it was being shipped I received it in a timely fashion. Perhaps that 
you are in Jerusalem and he is in Oregon is a factor.

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  Ricardo>  Hi guys, I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention
  Ricardo> of any ftp usage when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be
  Ricardo> a separate binary called dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...

It is meant to be used from within _dselect_. It gives you a new line in the
	* 0. [A]ccess      Choose the access method to use.    
menu.

  Ricardo> I'm trying to download the latest Debian distribution via FTP, but
  Ricardo> I've had problems both with ncftp and with dftp. I was hoping
  Ricardo> dpkg-ftp would be a better solution...

What's wrong with ncftp? Maybe your networking is not setup correctly.

  Ricardo> Another suggestion was to mirror debian. How much space is
  Ricardo> required to mirror? 

Depends on how many files and directories you select in the mirror parameter 
file /etc/mirror/packages/<site>

  Ricardo> Can a mirror be partial?

Sure, see the example /etc/mirror/packages/ftp.debian.org, but please not
that it was written with the old directory structure in mind.

  Ricardo> Lastly, once I've gotten all that's required from FTP, is dselect
  Ricardo> a good method to use for performing the install?

Yes.

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Hi!

First, thanks for the pointers... But I'm still having problems.
I've done an unpack and install on mirror-2.8-0.deb (that's the version 
that I have here for 0.93), but there's nothing under /etc/mirror (as a 
matter of fact, that directory didn't even exist). There's also no 
README.debian under /usr/doc/examples/mirror.

I've run into problems unpacking newer version packages into 0.93 because 
my system is a.out and has old libraries. As a matter of fact, I've 
actually killed some of my apps (like emacs, for example), because the 
unpack changes things before checking dependencies, it looks like. So 
I've killed some stuff by attempting to upgrade packages... :(

Where can I get sample copies of the mirror package "ftp.debian.org" and 
also the README for mirror?

Thanks,
Ricardo

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Ricardo> Here's the output:
>   Ricardo> TS1:/packages/debian# mirror -n -gsite:ftp.debian.org:/pub/linux/distributions/debian/stable/
> 
> The Debian package is set up to use the 2nd method of mirror invocation, ie
> 	mirror /etc/mirror/packages/ftp.debian.org
> 
>   Ricardo> not loading mirror.defaults
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> This happens when you call it with the  -gsite:  method. See the manpage.
> 
>   Ricardo> Scanning local directory .
>   Ricardo> Connecting to site:ftp.debian.org
>   Ricardo> Failed to connect
>   Ricardo> Pausing between retries
>   Ricardo> Cannot connect, skipping package
> 
> Check out some of the doc I provide with the package, for example
> 	/usr/doc/examples/mirror/README.debian
> 	/etc/mirror/packages/ftp.debian.org
> This example package file was created in December for the 0.93R6 structure on
> the Debian site, you will have to change it a bit. Read the manpage, and you
> will understand it all, I hope.
> 
> Best regards, Dirk
> 
>  
> -- 
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
> 


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Thanks!

I've actually tried running dselect with ftp, but it didn't work. 

It looks like my version of perl may have some problems as can be seen in 
the error messages below. Since I'm still using Debian-0.93 and am trying 
to upgrade, I'm not sure how to upgrade perl because all the packages in 
the ftp site are newer packages dependent on newer libcs, etc.

I choose ftp under dselect, this is what I get:

Socket 1.3 required--this is only version (undef) at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/perl/Net/FTP.pm line 41
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/perl/Net/FTP.pm line 41.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup line 8.
 
query/setup script returned error exit status 2.

Any ideas/suggestions??

Ricardo

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Michael Karafotis wrote:

> I always take the easy way out and run dselect .. then select my method
> from there.  It is quite nice .. set to ftp then select the server and
> packages you want.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Michael
> 


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I don't mean to sound sstupid, but do I install X11R6 like I do for 
other distributions..or is it in a .deb package?

I have installed X11R6 before (3.1.2D/E). are there any bugs
or peculiarities that I should be aware of?

Are there other common freeware items that are not in packages?

thank you very much.

Mike Cotherman
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  Ricardo>  Hi!  First, thanks for the pointers... But I'm still having
  Ricardo> problems.  I've done an unpack and install on mirror-2.8-0.deb
  Ricardo> (that's the version that I have here for 0.93), but there's
  Ricardo> nothing under /etc/mirror (as a matter of fact, that directory
  Ricardo> didn't even exist). There's also no README.debian under
  Ricardo> /usr/doc/examples/mirror.

I was referring to the newest mirror package, mirror-2.8-6.  As it's written
entirely in perl, this is an "Architecture: all" package so that you can
fetch it from
	Debian-1.1.3/binary-all/net/mirror-2.8-6.deb

That should work with 0.93R6, but you should update to Debian-1.1 as many,
many things have improved. See the "upgrades" directory for hints and notes.
	
--
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> > ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
> > little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
> > - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
> > this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
> > to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
> > from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

run fdisk and set bootable flag (A) to your dos partition only.  Linux does
not need this flag set.



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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Berntsen wrote:
> 
> > I've now recompiled the kernel, and I answered yes
> > to PPP support in 'make config'.
> > I've also installed the PPP package.
> > Anyway, when I now try to use pppd, I get an error
> > message saying that PPP is not supported in the kernel.
> > What's wrong with my setup?
> > 
> As far as I know, PPP must still be compiled as a module, not built-in.
> Try M instead of Y for your response. It should work then.

I don't believe that it's ever been true that PPP must be compiled as a
module.  PPP can be built into the kernel as long as you answered 'N' to
"Set version information on all symbols". If you answered 'Y' to this,
only then must PPP be built as a module. 

Gerry


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  Dale Scheetz writes:
  Dale>  The current way I manage my e-mail involves using popclient to get
  Dale> incoming e-mail from my ISP (mail.polaris.net) to dwarf's incoming
  Dale> mail folder on my machine (dwarf.polaris.net), 

Same here. I advocate edd@qed.econ.queensu.ca, which forwards to
edd@rosebud.sps.queensu.ca, my wife's Debian box on campus, from where I
popclient everything to the house (edd@miles, dynamic IP).

  Dale> outgoing mail is handled by Pine using SMTP.

I use smail, locally and for outgoing mail. _Very_ easy to setup and change
all the time because Ian Jackson wrote a fantastic /usr/sbin/smailconfig.

The only problem is that you have to "fake" another email address for
outgoing mail.  There are several ways to do it, directly with emacs, pine
(as you compiled the switch in, on my hint :-) and elm, or via smail
indepently of the MUA as was recently discussed on debian-user.

I also use procmail to sort my mail into 21 (!!!) different mail folders for
different mailing lists.

  Dale>  I would like to try some other mail readers like elm and emacs but
  Dale> none of these seem to be able to do SMTP and so require the presence
  Dale> of a mail-delivery-agent.

I can really recommend emacs with the vm mode. Really. 

  Dale>   I know I have heard pro and con discussions about smail vs sendmail
  Dale> but am still confused. Also I hear hints that qmail (?) will soon be
  Dale> a Debian package. I am a complete idiot when it comes to mail
  Dale> systems, so please be simple and clear in your answer ;-)

Goes with smail. Use the "smarthost" feature of the smailconfig for outgoing
mail.

  Dale>  What do I need to understand to install and use any of the available
  Dale> packages?

Nothing, basically :-)

  Dale>   If I am going to go to the trouble o1f learning to install a
  Dale> mail-delivery-agent I will want to be able to filter mail to various
  Dale> mail-folders based on the source of that mail.

You can already do that with your existing setup. Just install procmail, and
email me for examples.

  Dale>  If that is not available in the mail-delivery-agent, then point me
  Dale> to a package that will work with the target mail-delivery-agent.
  Dale> 
  Dale> Thanks in advance for any help,

Pleasure.

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I'm running Debian 1.1 on a machine here and as of a few days ago syslogd 
has stopped working. If I run the daemon manually it runs for about 30 
seconds and then stops. I've tried removing the sysklogd package (using 
the --force option) and re-installing it again to no avail.

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Does anyone know if PS/2 mouse support is compiled into the kernel
supplied with Debian 1.1.2?  If not, how can I get it?  I don't
recall seeing a module that had it.  I have installed
X, but not quite correctly yet.  When I startx, I get a nice screen
with one xterm and a mouse cursor, but the mouse cursor won't move.

By the way, I'd like to report a positive experience installing via
dpkg-ftp.  I have installed most of my packages that way.

Thanks in advance
Mike



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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Adrenolin wrote:
> > Section "Pointer"
> > 	Protocal "PS/2"
> > 	Device   "/dev/mouse"
> > 
> > 	how can i set this correctly and/or check where/what the Device
> > should be. i use startx and use the fvwm window manager. it comes up but
> > no control over the mouse.
> 
> Are you sure this is a PS/2 mouse? Does it have the cylindrical connector
> or the trapazoidal 9 pin DIN? I'm not sure why the kernel says it found a
> PS mouse, but it sounds like you want the serial protocal.
> 
> Luck,
> Dwarf
yes it is a logitech mouse thu in dos configured as PS/2. it is a 6 pin
cylindrical connector.

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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
>   Robert> same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
>   Robert> remains and wasn't removed
>   Dirk>  Sure, 3.12-4 is not 3.13-{1,2}. Try a newer version of fileutils.
>   Michael> Sorry Dirk but
> 
> I never said that _you_ were using 3.12. Robert said he did, and I was only
> pointing out that wasn't the right one to begin with. 
> 
hmm ok well i have checked 5 sites now and fileutils-3.12-4.deb IS the
newer version. if i am wrong about this please tell where there is a newer
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> 147) dpkg -s fileutils
> Package: fileutils
> Essential: yes
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: required
> Section: base
> Maintainer: Erick Branderhorst <branderh@debian.org>
> Version: 3.13-2
>          ^^^^^^
> Replaces: color-ls
> Pre-Depends: libc5 (>= 5.2.18-9)
> Description: GNU file management utilities.
>  The utilities: chgrp chmod chown cp dd df dir dircolors du install ln
>  ls mkdir mkfifo mknod mv rm rmdir sync touch vdir.

Shouldn't it both conflict and replace color-ls, so that color-ls gets
completely overwritten when the new fileutils it replaced? Otherwise stuff
like /usr/doc/copyright/color-ls (for instance) won't get removed... And
dpkg -l will still show a color-ls package.

  Christian



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  Robert> hmm ok well i have checked 5 sites now and fileutils-3.12-4.deb IS
  Robert> the newer version. if i am wrong about this please tell where there
  Robert> is a newer version.

You have to look in the "rex" aka "development" aka "unstable" tree, not in
"Debian-1.1-fixed" aka "Debian-1.1.3" aka "buzz-fixed" aka "stable". You'll
find fileutils-3.13-2 in the base section.

Maybe wait a few days until fileutils-3.13-3 gets moved in which Erick
uploaded this morning to the developers site. 

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Hi,

> The DOS+LOADLIN solution is in my opinion a very practical and safe one.
Yes, that is true. And I would suggest everyone who starts with Linux to use
this combination, if:

- he has a Dos system
- she doesnt need the additional boot password security
- has a minute more time

> I read 
> "much safer than LILO" somewhere and some time ago, but I cannot recall why nor 
> if it has changed with the last versions of LILO for which horror histories 
> abound. Anybody knows?

Well, with lilo you can mess up your configuration if you do it wrong. On
the other hand lilo is very flexible and supports the fanciest situations
(like booting dos from drive d:).

I'm just trying to upload a new lilo package. My auto config script is not
yet finished, o the upload is basically a new upstream version, until I'm
finisched with "liloconfig", which should help a little bit.

Greetings
Bernd


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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:

> I can really recommend emacs with the vm mode. Really. 

My personal favorite is Gnus.  It does a *wonderful* job with mail.
Threading, filtering, deleting duplicates, etc...

Getting it set up just the way I wanted was a little tricky, but
anyone who's interested can mail me, and I'll give you an intro.

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> In my case, I started out (several years back) using LILO to dual-boot
> DOS or Linux.  But, I actually have found now that the Loadlin option
> not only is more convenient for Win-95, but actually makes more sense
> on a PC.  The only problem is that Loadlin has some memory
> limitations.  But, if you use the Menu-config.sys thing with DOS, then
> booting bare with the Loadlin option works great.

"More sense on a PC" ? Duh ! Maybe for a "Win95" user.
Anyhow, the problems with "I've installed Micro$oft Windoze 95 on my 
computer and can't boot Linux anymore" is just due to the fact that 
M$ just assumes that anyone use their piece of crap and just baldly 
recreates the MBR.

And LILO is not less safe than LOADLIN. It can causes problem if you 
configure it badly. And LOADLIN can have problem if the DOS/WIN 
drives are defragmented.

(Not starting a col.advocacy thread)

Phil.



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Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:
> I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention of any ftp usage
> when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be a separate binary called
> dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...
>  
> I'm trying to download the latest Debian distribution via FTP, but I've
> had problems both with ncftp and with dftp. I was hoping dpkg-ftp would
> be a better solution...
>  
> Another suggestion was to mirror debian. How much space is required to 
> mirror? Can a mirror be partial?
> 
> Lastly, once I've gotten all that's required from FTP, is dselect a good 
> method to use for performing the install?

dpkg-ftp provides a new 'method' to dselect.  After installing
dpkg-ftp run dselect and when you choose the Access function it will
prompt for a method .... select ftp, it will then prompt for ftp
site/dir etc.  After that run Update, Select, Install etc.

Andy.


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--text follows this line--
I too am having trouble with X and my mouse.  No matter what I try for the
mouse device, the X servr fails with the message "Cannot open mouse (no such
device)".  How to I tell what device my mouse is?  During boot the BIOS just
says "Mouse recognized", and the kernel says nothing.

I have a Microsoft PS/2 mouse.  I used to run Slackware, and it worked fine.
Now I'm using Debian-1.1.  I found some links in /dev:  msmouse->inportbm,
psmouse->psaux, and I tried them, as well as making /dev/mouse point to them.
Nothing helped.

> 	i'm haveing trouble configureing my mouse for use in the
> xf86config. i have a logitech 2 button mouse. in the boot process it saz
> foud PS/2 mouse but nothing more. i have in the xf86config file:
--
>> What do you get when you execute
>>	ls -l /dev/mouse
>> Does the link point to the I/O port which is connected to your mouse?


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At 09:11 02.08.96 -0400, you wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Berntsen wrote:
>
>> When I boot I get the following on my screen:
>> 
>> PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
>> TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
>> PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
>> PPP line discipline registered
>> ...
>> ...
>> Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd
>> 
>> When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
>> The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.
>> 
>> It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
>> /etc/ppp/options
>> /etc/ppp/chatscript
>> It's just that it doesn't dial.
>> What's wrong?
>> 
>I might help if we could see those two scripts :-)

I figured it out, at last. It was an error in the scripts.
I used " instead of '


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hiya all
	i have users that telnet in to my machine. i have in the
/etc/hosts.allow file the sites they telnet from. keeps a secure machine i
would think as only they can telnet/ftp in.
	now i would like to open up and run an anonymous ftp server. at
present only the sites i have in the hosts.allow file can get access. 
	what do i have to do to allow any site access to login as
'anonymous''guest''ftp' only. tho still allowing my users thier regular
ftp access? hmm not sure if even i understand what i'm asking :/



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Hi,
  I am installing debian linux from CDROM.
My CDROM is panasonic CR-562 CDROM. I select
the "sbpcd" module. Is that correct? When the system
boots, the busy light in CDROM flashes. But when I use
"dselect", it ask me the block device name. How do I answer it?
And when I use "mount" command, it doesn't show CDROM is mounted.
What's happened?

                              Hung-Ta Pai


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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

> I'm running Debian 1.1 on a machine here and as of a few days ago syslogd 
> has stopped working. If I run the daemon manually it runs for about 30 
> seconds and then stops. I've tried removing the sysklogd package (using 
> the --force option) and re-installing it again to no avail.
> 
Make sure you have a domainname set or apply patch found in bug #3526.

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And Dale - 

If you're thinking of going with emacs clients, there's an smtpmail.el
package.  Not to stunt your budding mail-admin-ship, but maybe it'd do
the job.  I don't use it but a decent number of people seem to.

<URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs/contrib/smtp> is
the most recent locale I've seen (that was off the Gnus mailing list, I
have no relations with NT, thank you please! :-)  

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com

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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

> > - Harvester		Caching Daemon
> 
> Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
> a few version behind.

I hope to release a new version of squid sometime in the coming week.


> > - procmail with Full Sendmail Integration
>
> Isn't this part of buzz/stable?

yep, procmail's been part of debian for ages.

> > - hylafax Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration
>
> You could also use efax which is part of buzz. Someone is working on
> qfax (multi-user extensions to efax).

hylafax would be great!





> - nocol				Network monitoring package

that sounds interesting.  where can i find information on what exactly it
does?

> - gated				(for internal use - Gated have strict
> 				redistribution policies!)

if you do create a package for this, could you distribute your debian.*
files? maybe in a package which contained just the debian.rules etc,
and either a pointer to where to get the source from, or a script to
fetch the source...it would be great if it were possible to make the
build/install process as simple as:

    dpkg -i gated-install.deb
       ## displays message about gated redistribution policy.
    cd /usr/src/gated
    ./debian.rules fetch_src
    ./debian.rules unpack_src
    ./debian.rules binary
    dpkg -i ../gated.deb
    dpkg -r gated-install.deb

:-)

Craig


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> > > - Harvester		Caching Daemon
> > 
> > Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
> > a few version behind.
> Never heard of Squid. Speedwise I have seen no other software that could
> compete with Harvester.

harvest went commercial. squid is the non-commercial successor to
harvest...development of squid started where free development of harvest
left off.

> > > - procmail		with Full Sendmail Integration
> > 
> > Isn't this part of buzz/stable?
> Yes but its not set up as the local mailer. Sendmail uses deliver
> under Debian as far as I can see.

add

    FEATURE(local_procmail,/usr/bin/procmail)dnl

to your /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file.

sendmail can use any local mail delivery agent you want.  It would be nice
to see a new release of the sendmail package which asked whether you wanted
to use deliver or procmail.

> > > - hylafax		Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration
> > 
> > You could also use efax which is part of buzz. Someone is working on qfax 
> > (multi-user extensions to efax).
> > 
> I need an integration with Sendmail and the ability to control the time
> period and where those faxes are sent.

yes, that would be good.


Craig



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Hi Craig --

You wrote:
> > - nocol				Network monitoring package
> 
> that sounds interesting.  where can i find information on what exactly it
> does?

Try this resource: ftp://ftp.navya.com/pub/vikas/

Cheers,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi --

You asked:
> I am trying to run Debian-1.1 on my Compaq Deskpro 66M and the kernel is
> not regognizing my PS/2 mouse nor can I find "psaux.o" (and related files)
> to load the module. I tried boot disks for kernel version 2.0.0 and 2.0.6.
> Is this an error in the boot disk distribution and is there a way to fix
> this short of recompiling the kernel.

(I hope you've already gotten an answer to this.)

Yes, you need a kernel with special support for the mouse compiled in.  
Reading the 'config-?' files in 
    buzz-fixed/disks-i386/special-kernels
it appears that all of the special kernels there have support for the 
PS/2 mouse incorporated as a module.  Several other types of bus mice 
are supported as well.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi --

You said:
> I too am having trouble with X and my mouse.  No matter what I try for the
> mouse device, the X servr fails with the message "Cannot open mouse (no such
> device)".  How to I tell what device my mouse is?  During boot the BIOS just
> says "Mouse recognized", and the kernel says nothing.
> 
> I have a Microsoft PS/2 mouse.  I used to run Slackware, and it worked fine.
> Now I'm using Debian-1.1.  I found some links in /dev:  msmouse->inportbm,
> psmouse->psaux, and I tried them, as well as making /dev/mouse point to them.
> Nothing helped.

If you have a Microsoft PS/2 mouse (6-pin connector) then 
-- /dev/mouse should point to /dev/psmouse.
-- you should have these lines in /etc/X11/XF86Config (in Section "Pointer"):
	Protocol	"PS/2"
	Device		"/dev/psmouse"
-- you should be using one of the special kernels in
	buzz-fixed/disks-i386/special-kernels
   They all support bus mice as modules.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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[To those who will get this message twice, my apologies; nonetheless, I
think this is worth bringing to the attention of the developers.]

Hi Ricardo --

You said:
> I've actually tried running dselect with ftp, but it didn't work. 
> It looks like my version of perl may have some problems as can be seen in 
> the error messages below. 

If you are really having a chicken-and-egg problem (need dselect + dpkg-ftp
to upgrade, but can't use dselect + dpkg-ftp without having upgraded), then
I believe the project needs to make a note of that on the FTP sites.

Meanwhile, my only suggestion for you is that you use the instructions
in upgrade_manual.doc (this text file is found in the directory 
"upgrades" at any debian mirror).

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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[To those who will get this message twice, my apologies; nonetheless, I
think this is worth bringing to the attention of the developers.]

Hi Ricardo --

You said:
> I've actually tried running dselect with ftp, but it didn't work. 
> It looks like my version of perl may have some problems as can be seen in 
> the error messages below. 

If you are really having a chicken-and-egg problem (need dselect + dpkg-ftp
to upgrade, but can't use dselect + dpkg-ftp without having upgraded), then
I believe the project needs to make a note of that on the FTP sites.

Meanwhile, my only suggestion for you is that you use the instructions
in upgrade_manual.doc (this text file is found in the directory 
"upgrades" at any debian mirror).

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Robert --

Given all the reports regarding bus mice recently, I was motivated to
read the section on mice in the kernel-sources Documentation/devices.txt.
(Should have done that a while ago.)

That indicates that if you have a Logitech bus mouse, you should either

use 
	Device "/dev/logibm"
in your /etc/X11/XF86Config, 

OR 

use
	Device "/dev/mouse" 
if you've already executed: 
	ln -s /dev/logibm /dev/mouse

Good luck.
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Mike --

You asked:
> ... do I install X11R6 like I do for 
> other distributions..or is it in a .deb package?

Debian users can install X11R6 from a series of Debian packages.
They are in section "buzz/binary/x11" or "buzz-fixed/binary/x11"
at any Debian mirror.  You need xlib*.deb, xbase*.deb, whatever
font packages you want, whatever xserver*.deb is appropriate
for your video card, and fvwm*.deb or fvwm2*.deb.  You'll probably
also want xmanpages*.deb.

> I have installed X11R6 before (3.1.2D/E). are there any bugs
> or peculiarities that I should be aware of?

(Now that's really an unanswerable question :-).  

If you had a setup that was working in Slackware, and if you did not
require ActiveX to get it working, then chances are extremely high
that you can get the same setup working with the Debian packages.
However, note that the Debian packages that exist right now do not
refer to X11R6 3.1.2D or E.  Those were/are beta versions.  The earlier
version was packaged for Debian.  If you require D or E, then I would
suggest that you install the Debian packages, then go get what you
need for D or E, put them in your /usr/local, and cause the scripts
in /etc/X11 to point to your files (particuarly your xserver) in 
/usr/local.

> Are there other common freeware items that are not in packages?

Lots of freeware programs have already been packaged for Debian.
But the field is hardly exhausted.  Every month of so, Sven Rudolph
sends out an email with a list of 
"Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian Linux", which
is a kind of "to-do" list for Debian package developers.

Hope that helps.
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Hung-Ta --

You asked:
>   I am installing debian linux from CDROM.
> My CDROM is panasonic CR-562 CDROM. I select
> the "sbpcd" module. Is that correct? 

The sbpcd driver does support the CR-562 CDROM.  You may want to read more
about it thought in the file Documentation/cdrom/sbpcd which comes with
the kernel sources.  

> When the system
> boots, the busy light in CDROM flashes. But when I use
> "dselect", it ask me the block device name. How do I answer it?
> And when I use "mount" command, it doesn't show CDROM is mounted.
> What's happened?

What command do you use to mount the drive?  And what block devices appear
when you execute the command 'cat /proc/devices'?
The document I mentioned above suggests:
              mkdir /CD
and 
              mount -rt iso9660 /dev/sbpcd /CD
or
              mount -rt iso9660 -o block=2048 /dev/sbpcd /CD
and see the contents of your CD in the /CD directory.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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>"More sense on a PC" ? Duh ! Maybe for a "Win95" user.
>Anyhow, the problems with "I've installed Micro$oft Windoze 95 on my 
>computer and can't boot Linux anymore" is just due to the fact that 
>M$ just assumes that anyone use their piece of crap and just baldly 
>recreates the MBR.

I know all about the MBR thing.  Don;t try to give me that dumb-*^&%
stuff.  Been there, done that...

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.  Get off your
high horse just a minute and think about what you are saying.

I maintain 4 debian machines at present.  2 out of 4 are single-OS
machines and  boot up using lilo just as I have for several duel-boot
setups prior.  However, recently I have come to appreciate the loadlin
option with multi-boot machine because of the ease of configuration on
W95 machines and the [Menu] options under config.sys.

As far as the previous comment on taking longer under loadlin.  I
don't think that is true.  Once loadlin starts, it almost instantly
boots linux.  I can't really tell the difference.

I guess my point is, if you have to use W95 (which I do on two
machines for various reasons), and since W95 is going to write over
your MBR every time you install it, then loadlin makes more sense.

>And LILO is not less safe than LOADLIN. It can causes problem if you 
>configure it badly. And LOADLIN can have problem if the DOS/WIN 
>drives are defragmented.

This is true.  But, lilo is more difficult to set up.  Especially for
first-time users migrating from dos/w95 or just experimenting, loadlin
is definitely the way to go.

>(Not starting a col.advocacy thread)
>
>Phil.
>
>

P.S.  BTW, M$ Windoze-95 is not a piece of crap.  I think we all agree
in this group that it is wowfully behind the capabilities of Linux.
But, one cannot deny the numbers.  If it were that bad, why are there
so many people using it?  We can't isolate ourselves.  The thing to do
is figure out how to work with it.

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"James D. Freels" <fea@fea.rrd.ornl.gov> writes:

> If it were that bad, why are there so many people using it?

I'm not commenting on anything but this line.  IMO this may be a
reason why you have to put up with something, but it is never a good
argument for the merits of an item.

--
Rob


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Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu> writes:

Several people have asked me for my Gnus setup, so I'll post it here.
Hope no one's offended, but it has a fairly high signal to noise ratio
if you're interested in gnus for mail with debian.  This is stuff I've
sent to a couple of people before.  Feel free to ask if you have any
questions.


Gnus supports a number of backends for mail.  It can handle RMAIL, mh,
etc, but I would recommend that you switch to using the nnml back end.
It's much faster since it generates NOV overview databases (the same
ones used by news servers) for all the mail folders.  Other than that
it stores mail just like mh, one message per file.  Makes scripting
over messages easy, but it can be hard on the inodes :>

 I think that nnml is compatible with mh, but only if you don't use
both at the same time.  I think that gnus won't notice changes made by
mh with this method until restart and vice versa.

I'f you're already using mh, you don't have to do anything special to
use nnml other than tell gnus to use it.  It will then run over your
mh heirarchy and automatically generate the databases.  That's what I
did.  All my code assumes you are using nnml, but that should only be
an issue in a couple of places where I set up the mail group servers.

I'm going to assume for now that you don't want to use the bleeding
edge release, and that the one that came with your emacs is OK.  Is it
emacs-19.31.1?  If not, you may need the newer version of Gnus (or
emacs).  I will have info below about how to use the bleeding edge if
you're interested.  I'm using 5.2.38 to write this and it works great.

Gnus treats mail groups (as opposed to news groups) specially with
respect to deleting articles.  The normal rule is: "if it's a mail
group, never delete anything unless specifically told to, and then
only after the expiration period."

You expire mail articles with "E" in the summary buffer.  The default
expire period is two weeks.  If any article is two weeks old and has
been expired, it is deleted.  This is kind of nice if you later
(within two weeks) decide you really did need some old message.  Also,
expired articles (until their deletion) still show up in threading
histories, etc.

You should also look in the info pages (gnus' are quite complete, Lars
is insanely prolific) at the section on "Topics".  This allows you to
organize your groups in collapsible outline form.

With respect to file system layout, I have my groups set up like this:

~/Mail/Incoming/inbox        (incoming mail that doesn't go anywhere else)
~/Mail/Incoming/debian-bugs  (debian bug list)
~/Mail/Incoming/...          (other assorted mail groups)

and for outgoing stuff:

~/Mail/Outgoing/misc-mail 
~/Mail/Outgoing/misc-news 

this used to be the default in gnus, but in the latest version, it
saves no mail by default, so I explicitly enable this in my .emacs.

For news (don't forget to check out the info pages on persistent
articles and asynchronous fetching -- too cool):

~/News/...  (all Gnus related stuff for *incoming* news goes here)

Note that it might make more semantic sense for misc-news to go under
~/News, but it turns out that would be pretty awkward to manage with
the way Gnus wants to handle things right now.  I don't think you
could do it without more hassle than it's worth, and the way I have it
now, all personal writings are in one subdir.

A couple of other things of note.  If you just want to read mail,
without going through the time consuming (at 28.8) process of
contacting the news server and getting the current news group status,
you just use M-x gnus-no-server instead of M-x gnus to launch gnus.

One caveat, you might notice that all of the mail groups vanish along
with the news groups when you do this (i.e. when you run
gnus-no-server).  That's just because groups have levels of
"activeness", and gnus-no-server only shows groups of level 2 or
lower.  Unfortunately all groups, including mail groups, are created
at level 3 by default, so they vanish with gnus-no-server.  To see
them again, you just need to launch gnus the old fashioned way (M-x
gnus) and then use the set level command to set the level of all your
mail groups to 2.  You can set the levels via "S l" with the cursor on
the relevant group in the Group buffer.

In order to actually get your mail, you might be able to use pop
directly from gnus (I think that's supported now, but I'm not sure),
but I just use popclient to grab my mail from all the relevant
machines, and then let gnus suck up the mail from my normal system
mailbox, which it does by default.

Gnus automatically gets your new mail when you launch it, but if you
want to incorporate all the new mail after launching gnus, you can use
"g" from the group buffer which updates all the mail and news groups,
or "2 g" which only does groups level 2 or higher, i.e. the mail
groups (there are other commands too, see M-g, for example, which
works from a mail summary buffer).

Incoming mail is split into sub-groups (if you want) via
gnus-nnmail-split-methods.  There's an example below.  It will
automatically create a new group when it needs one according to the
rules and the incoming mail.  Gnus can recognize most duplicates in
incoming mail.  It does this by keeping a cache of article numbers.
It can be told to delete them, but I have it shunt them to a separate
group instead with the split-methods.

I hope I anticipated all your problems, but if not, feel free to ask
me any questions.  I would, of course, recommend first backing up your
mail setup just in case.

Here's the Gnus relevant bits from my current .emacs.  Note that there
are a couple of places where I have either "osiris" or my name.
You'll need to change all those.  Make sure you do this *before* the
first time you run gnus.  Some of the things it does are hard to undo
without starting over with an empty .newsrc.eld

Also, be warned, this is not necessarily organized in any particular
fashion, except that I moved most of the stuff that I could find that
you *must* change to the beginning.

=== Begin gnus .emacs stuff

;; I like these, and they affect gnus too.
(line-number-mode 1)
(global-font-lock-mode t)
(transient-mark-mode 1)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; Gnus setup
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;; You have to change these:

;; Your primary server
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshost.cc.utexas.edu"))

;; So the server will accept me
(setq gnus-local-domain "cs.utexas.edu")

;; So the from field will be reasonable.
(setq gnus-user-from-line "Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu>")
(setq user-mail-address "osiris@cs.utexas.edu")
(setq gnus-local-organization "The University of Texas at Austin")

;; Change the name osiris below to whatever you like.  As far as gnus
;; is concerned, it's the name of the mail server.

;; "server" for all incoming mail
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods 
      '((nnml "osiris" 
              (nnml-directory "~/Mail/Incoming")
              (nnml-active-file "~/Mail/Incoming/active")
              )))

;; "server" for all outgoing mail and news
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnml "outgoing" 
						 (nnml-directory "~/Mail/Outgoing") 
             (nnml-active-file "~/Mail/Outgoing/active")
						 (nnml-get-new-mail nil)))

;; Change this to be whatever you like, but make sure that the last
;; item in the list has an empty regex.  That's where all the
;; unmatched mail goes.  If you don't, gnus will happily trash the
;; mail that doesn't match a regex.
(setq		
 nnmail-split-methods
 '(
   ("debian-bugs" "^Subject: \\(Re: \\)?Bug#[0-9]+:")
   ("guile" "^Sender: owner-guile@cygnus.com")
   ("duplicates"  "^Gnus-Warning:")
   ("inbox"       "")))  



;; This is *only* if you want to use the latest gnus, and you build it
;; in the directory mentioned. (also see the footnote*** at the end.)
;;(setq load-path 
;;      (cons (expand-file-name 
;;             "/usr/local/lib/emacs/site-lisp/gnus/lisp") 
;;            load-path))


;; This is stuff that you probably want, but don't have to change.

;; Very nice...
(setq gnus-asynchronous t)

;; Make all new groups zombies.  You can peruse them at your leisure
;; (with "A z" from the group buffer) and either subscribe (with "u",
;; from the group buffer.  It's a toggle) or kill them (C-k) as
;; desired.
(setq gnus-subscribe-newsgroup-method 'gnus-subscribe-zombies)

;; All kinds of good config stuff.  I think you can leave this alone
;; until/unless you feel like figuring it out.
(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server)
(setq gnus-save-newsrc-file nil)
(setq gnus-extract-address-components 'mail-extract-address-components)
(setq gnus-auto-select-next t)
(setq gnus-auto-select-same t)
(setq gnus-use-cross-reference 'all)
(setq gnus-auto-select-newsgroup nil)
(setq gnus-summary-check-current t)
(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers 'some)
(setq gnus-thread-hide-subtree t)
(setq gnus-thread-indent-level 2)
(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
(setq gnus-use-cache 'passive)
(setq gnus-permanently-visible-groups "^nnml+")
(setq gnus-build-sparse-threads 'some)
(setq gnus-keep-backlog 50)

;; Tell gnus where to put outgoing copies
(setq gnus-message-archive-group 
      '((if (message-news-p)
            "misc-news" 
          "misc-mail")))

;;; Score file stuff
(setq gnus-kill-killed t)  ;; so you can re-kill a set of articles

;; Change this as indicated in the info pages if you actually want
;; gnus to delete the duplicates.
(setq nnmail-delete-duplicates 'warn)

(setq gnus-uu-user-view-rules
      (list 
       '("\\.\\(jpe?g\\|gif\\|tiff?\\|p[pgb]m\\|xwd\\|xbm\\|pcx\\)$" "xv -8")))


=== End gnus .emacs stuff

*** If you do want the bleeding edge gnus, you need to uncomment the
relevant bit in the .emacs code above, build the latest version in the
directory mentioned, and add the following to your .bashrc:

export INFOPATH=/usr/local/lib/emacs/site-lisp/gnus/texi:/usr/local/info:/usr/info

so you get the right info pages.  Note that you can't just add to your
INFOPATH with:

export INFOPATH=/usr/local/lib/emacs/site-lisp/gnus/texi:${INFOPATH}

because the environment variable is not normally set at all.  Info has
defaults that it uses if there's no INFOPATH.


Hope this helps
--
Rob


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Hi Lamar

I hope you don't mind that I put this back onto the list as other people
might wonder about this too.

  Lamar>  Hi, Dirk.  I seem to be having some trouble getting posts to the
  Lamar> debian-user list, so I'm mailing you directly.
  Lamar> 
  Lamar> You posted something about using procmail _and_ pop to sort your
  Lamar> mail.  I was wondering how you invoke procmail?  I, too, use
  Lamar> popclient to get my mail, and I'd _love_ to be able to have procmail
  Lamar> (or slocal or something) filter it for me.

It is all in the procmail manpages --- but as those are quite detailed it
hard to find as first sight. Note also that Debian procmail package has, as
many other packages, a lot of documentation in /usr/doc/<package> and 
/usr/doc/example/<package>.

1. I start popclient as (indented by a TAB for readability)
	popclient -s -3 -P ~/.file-with-password host.that.has.mail  
to get my mail to my local machine.

2. One needs a file ~/.forward of the following form
	"|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #edd"
where the end must  #<user-id>"  as a fallback strategy. This passes the mail
to the procmail program.

3. A file ~/.procmailrc describes the sorting rules. There are lots of
examples in the manpage, and the /usr/doc/examples/procmail directory. But as
a concrete example, here are some pieces. If it looks all to strange, than
it's probably time to review a Unix book with something on regular
expressions. I just show some entries as it is mostly repetitive

------------------------ ~/.procmailrc --------------------------------------
# edd 26.10.95	installed from adapted version from /usr/doc/examples/procmail

PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:.
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
# use `usual' default and not this one:  DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mail.in
LOGABSTRACT=all
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/log/procmail

:0:				# mail To or CC ctan-ann
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*ctan-ann@(shsu.edu|RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE)
in.ctan-announce

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-announce
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-announce@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-announce

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-bugs, debian-bugs-done
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-bugs(-done)?@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-bugs

:0:				# Another one for new bugs system
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*@bugs.debian.org
in.debian-bugs

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-changes
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-changes@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-changes

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-devel
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-devel@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-devel

:0:				# mirror logs
* ^To: edd
* ^Subject: mirror update$
in.mirror-update
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

:0: always starts a new rule section. Line with * describes rules, if there
are several they are ANDed together. The last line shows the folder into
which a message is put. 


Hope this helps, Dirk

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Hello all!

On our Sun network we have a program called 'des' for encrypting
and decrypting files.  Is this same des program available for
Debian?  I know I could use things like pgp, etc.. but, we already
have des on the rest of the network so I would like the same
on my Linux box.

Cheers!
Richard..

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Howdy folks!

I've been experiencing a problem booting newer kernels on a system
with a NexGen-90 processor.  This CPU does not have a FPU.  I've
configured *all* of my attempts with:

CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION=y

I've configured most of my attempts with:

CONFIG_M386=y
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set
# CONFIG_M686 is not set

Using M486 or M586 get's me a Kernel Panic sooner in the boot process.
A PANIC is what I'm getting when I say Y to Math_Emu and M386.  The error
message (sorry haven't ever written it down...) says Panic: no mathemu.
or some-such.  It's as though I've *not* got the emulator code in the
kernel.

I'm not much of a C programmer - what little I did was 5-6 years ago -
but I have determined that kernel versions that include Math-emu 1.21 do
boot on this system, while those with 1.22 do not.  I did try putting
1.21 in the kernel's source-tree (2.0.10) but the build failed.  I wasn't
surprised.

I've heard it said that there exists an "easy" fix for this problem.
Can someone point me to it?  I've looked on the Web, starting at www.linux.org
and www.debian.org but have not been successful.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Chuck

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.93.960802084357.26252B-100000@waterf.org>,
Christoph Lameter  <clameter@fuller.edu> wrote:
>I know. Perhaps you can just publish the patches and have debian.rules do
>an automatic ftp from the gated site?

The patches contain actual lines of gated code. So the advice on that
appears to be "be careful". However you shouldn't need any patches for
the very latest gated

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In article <m0umAuq-000f3kC@animals.mit.edu>,
Stephen Masterman  <floyd@animals.mit.edu> wrote:
>>			Debian/GNU Linux systems may be vulnerable if
>>			NetKit-B-0.6 is installed. Until the official
>>			fix-kit is available for Debian/GNU Linux, system
>>			administrators of Debian systems are advised to
>>			follow guidelines under Other Linux Distributions
>>			section.
>
>Anyone have any more comments about this? There is no package called NetKit
>that I know of, I'm just curious if the developers have anything to say?

The debian box I checked had all the netkit bugs in it, every last little
one except for one - the telnetd environment bug.

I've no idea what Debian has chosen to rename netkit as in its internal
packaging system, but at minimum you want to replace

o	rlogin		(TERM bug - present in all commercial systems I've
			 tried so ask vendors for a fix too)
o	talkd		(DNS spoofing flash bug, also spoof scribble)

Note: the rlogin bug requires an account to exploit

o	rdist		IF you are running it setuid (buffer overrun as
			seems traditional in older 4.x BSD derived code)

Alan
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We got some more packages debianized. Here is the current list of unique debian packages at ftp.fuller.edu:
In this directory you will find new packages that are not
yet in the standard debian distribution.

mgetty-0.99-1	Adds PPP autodetect to mgetty.
ppp-2.2.0fx-1	Adds Remote configuration ability for DNS information
	for dialin Win95 and WinNT users.
apache-1.1.1-1	Upgraded Apache Package
verse-0.12	Daily Scripture Verses
xfishtank-2.2	Fishtank for X
ircd-2.8.21-1	IRC Server
smartlist-3.10-1 Mailing List Processor. No Perl much faster than Majordomo.

If anyone could help us getting these packages onto ftp.debian.org.......

Also we have set up an IRC Server for the LUG in Los Angeles at lalug.org. We would be interested in
building an IRC network with other LUGs.


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Hung,

>>Hi,
>My CDROM is panasonic CR-562 CDROM. I select
>the "sbpcd" module. Is that correct?

I believe "sbpcd" is specifically for Sound Blaster and its clones.  There
may be several different vendors supplying the CD drive and Panasonic
is only one of those.  Do you have a SB or not?

>boots, the busy light in CDROM flashes. But when I use
>"dselect", it ask me the block device name. How do I answer it?

/dev/sbpcd0

>And when I use "mount" command, it doesn't show CDROM is mounted.

???  'df' will show you what filesystems are mounted, not mount.  To mount
the CD filesystem, type: mount /dev/sbpcd0 -t iso9660 /mnt 
or wherever you want it mounted.

Paul


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Hello,

I have once again tried to install the debian distribution and
I have once again failed to get X11 running. This time with
a Hercules Stingray Pro and the SVGA server.

The monitor gets black and after CTRL-ALT-F4 I get:

TRANS(SocketUNIXConnect) () can't connect: errno = 111
giving up.
xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111):  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.

Does someone have an idea what's going wrong?

Thanks a lot,

Jens Decker


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Susan G Kleinmann wrote  on 03 Aug 1996 20:14:45 +1000:

    Susan> ...

    Susan> Yes, you need a kernel with special support for the mouse
    Susan> compiled in.  Reading the 'config-?' files in
    Susan> buzz-fixed/disks-i386/special-kernels it appears that all
    Susan> of the special kernels there have support for the PS/2
    Susan> mouse incorporated as a module.  Several other types of bus
    Susan> mice are supported as well.

Apart from doing a diff on these config-? files, is there any
documentation on what each version of the kernel-image contains.  Is
it also correct to assume that the -0 one is the default that ships
with Debian?

Thanks


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Dear Debian Development Debuggers,

(couldn't resist that)

I am attempting to install Debian 1.1 on my system.  I currently run
Linux
1.2.8 (an older SlackWare distribution), so I know that the system is
capable of running Linux.

I've written the boot, root, & base floppies as prescribed, but every
time
I try to boot I get error messages as follows:

boot: <cr>
Loading...........
Uncompressing Linux...

invalid compressed format (err=2)

 -- System Halted
 
I've tried using a different floppy, erasing (dd if=/dev/zero...) and
reformatting the floppies, formatting on different machines with
different
utilites (Norton format, DOS 6.x format, Weeners '95 format), and I've
tried re-downloading the boot image from a variety of sources.

All with the same result.

I also tried entering boot parameters to specify my SCSI & ethernet
cards.  This resulted in a different error message:

 incomplete literal tree

Well, where do I go from here?

Chris Hertel -)-----
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crh@nts.umn.edu              Networking and Telecommunications Services


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On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Graham Williams wrote:

> Apart from doing a diff on these config-? files, is there any
> documentation on what each version of the kernel-image contains.

The script which creates them is buzz-fixed/disks-i386/make-floppes.
It has this blurb:

echo "  0 - Almost standard distribution Kernel"
echo "  1 - All Adaptec SCSI + AdvanSys + Always + AM5379c974 + BusLogic"
echo "  2 - DTC + eata_dma (DPT), eata_pio (OLD DPT) + Future Domain"
echo "  3 - NCR5380/53c400 + NCR53c406a + NCR53c7/8xx"
echo "  4 - Iomega Parallel + PAS16 + Qlogic + Seagate + Trantor + UltraStor"
echo "  5 - Special NCR53c400 only Kernel"
echo "  6 - Special NCR53c8xx only Kernel"

>  Is
> it also correct to assume that the -0 one is the default that ships
> with Debian?

Yes.



Guy


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>>And when I use "mount" command, it doesn't show CDROM is mounted.

>???  'df' will show you what filesystems are mounted, not mount.

Just type 

        mount{Enter}

without any parameters, and see what output you get.

"Live and learn", eh?



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Hi all,
	I've just installed debian linux 1.1 from Iconnect.  I am working
on a C++ project which depends heavily on the use of templates.  Thus, I
would like to use the -frepo patch from Cygnus.  The installed gcc/g++
doesn't seem to have been patched correctly.  At least the 'ld' is not
working as described by Mumit Khan.  I.e. the patched 'ld' was supposed to
do a recompile/relink process.  This was never done and I get lots of
unresolved symbols.  Mumit Khan sent me some binaries about a year ago for
the Slackware distribution I used back then.  I tried moving the files
over to my current system, and things seem to work ok.  But I am getting
another error message from the patched 'ld'.  This time, it says it can't
find one of my header files.  I.e. the header file which contained my
class definition could not be found.  This error is produced while in the
recompile/relink phase (using Mumit's binaries).

Has anyone ever tried the -frepo feature?  It is actually patched in?
Using the switch to g++ doesn't tell you anything since g++ ignores
arguments it doesn't understand.  This feature is very important.  I can't
continue my project without it.  Please help, thanks in advance...
--jc
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Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)      jching@aloha.com     wh6brr@uhm.ampr.org


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Oh, one more thing.  I wanted to check whether I'm still on the
debian-user list.  I sent a help message to the request robot, and got
back intro instructuions (subscribe/unsubscribe).  I wanted to know what
are the available commands to list the subscribed users.  How do I get
this info from the -request robot?  Most other mailing lists (using
listserv) has this info in the intro document.  Also, since I couldn't get
the help page, I don't really know if I'm subscribed.  I guess this
message will decide which.

And one more thing, I have a wish list.  It would be nice if the install
procedure does not waste it's time testing each an every package in a
directory and displaying it.  I.e. dpkg -iGROEB goes through the entire
directory and displaying the selecton status.  This is slow and painful.
I don't see why the dpkg program can't scan the entire directory and
create a list of all installed packages and display it in sorted order.
Then it would go through the list of selected packages remaining which are
marked 'not installed' and just install those (in sorted order, at this
point, the section really doesn't matter does it?).  There are 450+
packages.  I've only installed about 100 or so.  I don't need dpkg to
display the 300+ packages that I've marked as 'deselected'.  Was this
supposed to be a feature?

--jc
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Jimen Ching <jching@aloha.com> writes:

> Has anyone ever tried the -frepo feature?  It is actually patched in?
> Using the switch to g++ doesn't tell you anything since g++ ignores
> arguments it doesn't understand.  This feature is very important.  I can't
> continue my project without it.  Please help, thanks in advance...

Yes, we use it here, but you have to go to cygnus (ftp.cygnus.com/pub/g++),
get the patch, and the debian source package and rebuild gcc with the
patch yourself.

--
Rob


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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Jimen Ching wrote in debian-user:

> And one more thing, I have a wish list.  It would be nice if the install
> procedure does not waste it's time testing each an every package in a
> directory and displaying it.  I.e. dpkg -iGROEB goes through the entire
> directory and displaying the selecton status.  This is slow and painful.
> I don't see why the dpkg program can't scan the entire directory and
> create a list of all installed packages and display it in sorted order.
> Then it would go through the list of selected packages remaining which are
> marked 'not installed' and just install those (in sorted order, at this
> point, the section really doesn't matter does it?).  There are 450+
> packages.  I've only installed about 100 or so.  I don't need dpkg to
> display the 300+ packages that I've marked as 'deselected'.  Was this
> supposed to be a feature?

Yes, something like that would be great.

if dpkg were to keep a list of all selected files and a list of
pathnames to available deb files, then it could simply iterate through
the list of selected packages.

maybe a file called /var/lib/dpkg/selected. a simple file format could
be:

/full/path/to/file.deb  package_name    installed_version   available_version

tab or white space delimited.  The last two fields probably aren't needed
but could be useful...make them optional.

This would not only make dselect a lot faster, it would also implement
something which i asked Ian J about a few weeks ago...i need a way
to transfer the selections from one machine to another. So that, for
example, i could spend some time fine-tuning the installed packages list
and then just re-use that selection list on other machines.  Useful for
administering a network of debian boxes or for 'mass-producing' them.

generating this list wouldn't be that hard...the hard bit would
be generating the list in the right order, so that depended-upon
packages are installed first. Maybe it would be better to replace the
installed_version and available_version fields with line number indexes
into /var/lib/dpkg/status & /var/lib/dpkg/available:

/full/path/to/file.deb  package_name    status_line_no   avail_line_no

this file could also contain lines for uninstalled packages, just
commented out with a # symbol.  Changing the selections would then be as
simple as commenting or uncommenting a line.



hey, the more i think about it, the more i think that this idea has a
lot of potential. 

It may be just the sort of thing we need to separate the user interface
side of dselect from the functional... 

...which would also give us an easy answer to those who don't like
dselect's interface: "here's the file format specs, here's a
c/perl/python/tcl/sh library for generating, parsing and manipulating the
file...go write your own user interface" 

all that dpkg needs to do is know how to use this file (a new option of
"dpkg --auto=/var/lib/dpkg/selected", perhaps?) - dpkg does the hard work
of installing the packages, anything can be used to generate the file. 

it would probably be a good idea to have a '--sanity-check' option as
well, to verify that the 'selected' file was OK to use.


as yet another alternative, if the status and available files could be
used to generate a gdbm database, dpkg would be a lot faster, and the
'selected' file here would only need to contain two fields...one is the
full path to the file, the other is the package_name which is used as an
index into the dbm files. (the selected file SHOULD be text so that it
can easily be edited with <insert_holy_text_editor_of_your_choice_here>**)

i think it's important to keep status & available exactly as they are -
there's too much stuff dependant on them being in their current format -
but to use them to generate a fast indexed database. old dpkg tools will
still work. new tools can be written to use the old style text files or
the new style database files.


another thought: maybe the path field should be a URL field.  e.g. 
"file://..." or "ftp://...." or "http://...." or "nfs://..." etc etc etc. 

the "file://" could refer to localhost, or if given a remote host could
use rcp or rsh to fetch the file for installation...

it would be nice to be able to do something like:

	dpkg -i ftp://ftp.debian.org/rex/binary-i386/base/base_1.1.0-14.deb

or

    dselect --dist=unstable,contrib,non-free http://www.debian.org/dselect/i386/available.txt

or
    dselect --dist=land-of-the-free ftp://ftp.civilised.country/debian/encryption/available.txt


I'm cc:ing this message to debian-devel for discussion.

Craig

** this means vi, of course.  all others are unholy abominations :-)


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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Jimen Ching wrote in debian-user:

> And one more thing, I have a wish list.  It would be nice if the install
> procedure does not waste it's time testing each an every package in a
> directory and displaying it.  I.e. dpkg -iGROEB goes through the entire
> directory and displaying the selecton status.  This is slow and painful.
> I don't see why the dpkg program can't scan the entire directory and
> create a list of all installed packages and display it in sorted order.
> Then it would go through the list of selected packages remaining which are
> marked 'not installed' and just install those (in sorted order, at this
> point, the section really doesn't matter does it?).  There are 450+
> packages.  I've only installed about 100 or so.  I don't need dpkg to
> display the 300+ packages that I've marked as 'deselected'.  Was this
> supposed to be a feature?

Yes, something like that would be great.

if dpkg were to keep a list of all selected files and a list of
pathnames to available deb files, then it could simply iterate through
the list of selected packages.

maybe a file called /var/lib/dpkg/selected. a simple file format could
be:

/full/path/to/file.deb  package_name    installed_version   available_version

tab or white space delimited.  The last two fields probably aren't needed
but could be useful...make them optional.

This would not only make dselect a lot faster, it would also implement
something which i asked Ian J about a few weeks ago...i need a way
to transfer the selections from one machine to another. So that, for
example, i could spend some time fine-tuning the installed packages list
and then just re-use that selection list on other machines.  Useful for
administering a network of debian boxes or for 'mass-producing' them.

generating this list wouldn't be that hard...the hard bit would
be generating the list in the right order, so that depended-upon
packages are installed first. Maybe it would be better to replace the
installed_version and available_version fields with line number indexes
into /var/lib/dpkg/status & /var/lib/dpkg/available:

/full/path/to/file.deb  package_name    status_line_no   avail_line_no

this file could also contain lines for uninstalled packages, just
commented out with a # symbol.  Changing the selections would then be as
simple as commenting or uncommenting a line.



hey, the more i think about it, the more i think that this idea has a
lot of potential. 

It may be just the sort of thing we need to separate the user interface
side of dselect from the functional... 

...which would also give us an easy answer to those who don't like
dselect's interface: "here's the file format specs, here's a
c/perl/python/tcl/sh library for generating, parsing and manipulating the
file...go write your own user interface" 

all that dpkg needs to do is know how to use this file (a new option of
"dpkg --auto=/var/lib/dpkg/selected", perhaps?) - dpkg does the hard work
of installing the packages, anything can be used to generate the file. 

it would probably be a good idea to have a '--sanity-check' option as
well, to verify that the 'selected' file was OK to use.


as yet another alternative, if the status and available files could be
used to generate a gdbm database, dpkg would be a lot faster, and the
'selected' file here would only need to contain two fields...one is the
full path to the file, the other is the package_name which is used as an
index into the dbm files. (the selected file SHOULD be text so that it
can easily be edited with <insert_holy_text_editor_of_your_choice_here>**)

i think it's important to keep status & available exactly as they are -
there's too much stuff dependant on them being in their current format -
but to use them to generate a fast indexed database. old dpkg tools will
still work. new tools can be written to use the old style text files or
the new style database files.


another thought: maybe the path field should be a URL field.  e.g. 
"file://..." or "ftp://...." or "http://...." or "nfs://..." etc etc etc. 

the "file://" could refer to localhost, or if given a remote host could
use rcp or rsh to fetch the file for installation...

it would be nice to be able to do something like:

	dpkg -i ftp://ftp.debian.org/rex/binary-i386/base/base_1.1.0-14.deb

or

    dselect --dist=unstable,contrib,non-free http://www.debian.org/dselect/i386/available.txt

or
    dselect --dist=land-of-the-free ftp://ftp.civilised.country/debian/encryption/available.txt


I'm cc:ing this message to debian-devel for discussion.

Craig

** this means vi, of course.  all others are unholy abominations :-)


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Hi,

I have just installed Smail in preference to sendmail and seem to be
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I am looking for the correct syntax for the $mailer option in the
majordomo.cf file for Smail

Any help would be appreciated.

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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

>
> I've written the boot, root, & base floppies as prescribed, but every
> time
> I try to boot I get error messages as follows:
>
> boot: <cr>
> Loading...........
> Uncompressing Linux...
>
> invalid compressed format (err=2)
>
>  -- System Halted
>
> I've tried using a different floppy, erasing (dd if=/dev/zero...) and
> reformatting the floppies, formatting on different machines with
> different
> utilites (Norton format, DOS 6.x format, Weeners '95 format), and I've
> tried re-downloading the boot image from a variety of sources.
>
> All with the same result.
>
> I also tried entering boot parameters to specify my SCSI & ethernet
> cards.  This resulted in a different error message:
>
>  incomplete literal tree
>
> Well, where do I go from here?
>

I noticed when I was making my installation disks that three of the four
images needed nearly every possible block on the floppy.  When I was
formating the floppys, I noticed that the the format program marked quite
a few bad blocks on one of the floppys, so I didn't use it.

You might try reformatting your suspected bad installation disks to see if
the format program reports any bad blocks.  If you get some, that might
be your problem.  If not, maybe one of the files that you are making the
disks from is corupt.

Hope this helps.

Mike


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On 05:47:14 rhl@CAM.ORG wrote:
>>>>And when I use "mount" command, it doesn't show CDROM is mounted.
>
>>???  'df' will show you what filesystems are mounted, not mount.
>
>Just type 
>
>        mount{Enter}
>
>without any parameters, and see what output you get.
>
>"Live and learn", eh?

Sure!  Typical of Linux there is always more to learn, and very often more
than one way to do most anything....I use 'df' because it shows more info,
and never have used just 'mount' but I'll try it.

eh?
Paul


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On 05:47:14 rhl@CAM.ORG wrote:
>
>>???  'df' will show you what filesystems are mounted, not mount.
>
>Just type 
>
>        mount{Enter}
>
>without any parameters, and see what output you get.
>
>"Live and learn", eh?

>>Sure!  Typical of Linux there is always more to learn, and very often more
>>than one way to do most anything....I use 'df' because it shows more info,
>>and never have used just 'mount' but I'll try it.

Well, I tried it, and it is quite different than using 'df' thats for sure.  And
 it
really just is reading the current /etc/mtab file.  It is poorly formatted and 
kinda ugly.  I'll continue using 'df' thank you.

eh?
Paul



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> I am looking for the correct syntax for the $mailer option in the
> majordomo.cf file for Smail

Make sure there is a link /usr/lib/sendmail that points to
/usr/bin/smail, and then put this in as the $mailer:

	$mailer = "/usr/lib/sendmail -f\$sender -t";


Jim


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Hello,

I have installed debian at my home-site, and now I am trying to get a newsfeed
to my home.

I have set up all files and everything seems to be working, but when news
is coming in I see the following errors in syslog:

Aug  4 20:24:10 windmill innd: ME cant update_active nl.misc
Aug  4 20:24:10 windmill innd: ME cant symlink /var/spool/news/nl/misc/0 and nl/
newsgroups/0 File exists

and innd dies.

I have read something in the inn-faq about linux not being able to handle MMAP
update of the active-file, so I recompiled inn with active=READ, but this
doesn't help either.

Does anybody knows what can be happening here?

Thanks in advance,

Andre Koopal


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Do a renumber that usually fixes your high water marks (which seem to be
wrong in this case).
MMAP on linux works just fine.

Andre Koopal (andre@NL.net) wrote:
: Hello,
: 
: I have installed debian at my home-site, and now I am trying to get a newsfeed
: to my home.
: 
: I have set up all files and everything seems to be working, but when news
: is coming in I see the following errors in syslog:
: 
: Aug  4 20:24:10 windmill innd: ME cant update_active nl.misc
: Aug  4 20:24:10 windmill innd: ME cant symlink /var/spool/news/nl/misc/0 and nl/
: newsgroups/0 File exists
: 
: and innd dies.
: 
: I have read something in the inn-faq about linux not being able to handle MMAP
: update of the active-file, so I recompiled inn with active=READ, but this
: doesn't help either.
: 
: Does anybody knows what can be happening here?
: 
: Thanks in advance,
: 
: Andre Koopal
: 


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Jens.Decker@chemie.uni-regensburg.de (Jens Decker) writes:

> 
> The monitor gets black and after CTRL-ALT-F4 I get:
> 
> TRANS(SocketUNIXConnect) () can't connect: errno = 111
> giving up.
> xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111):  unable to connect to X server
> xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
> 

Re: this output -

It'd help to see more of the stderr output from X. This is the tail end
of what scrolled by.  The X server probably found no valid modes,
according to its assessment of the hardware, in your XF86Config.  If
this was run by startx, try 'startx 2> X_Startup &', just sending that
output to a file.

You'll see a lot of stuff in there; lines beginning (**) report info
specified in your XF86Config, those beginning (--) show what the server
is determining on its own.  These will include the lines where it
excludes possible configurations found in that file, like these:

(--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs vert refresh rate of 69.98 Hz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs vert refresh rate of 60.32 Hz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs vert refresh rate of 72.19 Hz. Deleted.

and later these:

(--) SVGA: There is no defined dot-clock matching mode "800x600"
(--) SVGA: Removing mode "800x600" from list of valid modes.

(not that I'm having trouble getting my Cirrus 5420 to do 800x600 ;-)

This could give you some start into what's not working in your
XF86Config settings.  I don't know your hardware & am not enough of a
general expert, so I should let others take it from there.  They'll want
(parts of) your XF86Config, and perhaps the results from running
Superprobe.  Right now, either the settings don't match the hardware, or
you have to specify more to force the server to realize that they do.

HTH a little,

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Hi - 

Seeking yr advice for a fairly slim X installation.  Right now I have
only the xfntbase fonts installed, and I get plenty of "can't get font
courier-..." or "adobe" or "helvetica" messages when starting apps.  The
Contents file tells me several such fonts are hanging around in xfnt75
and xfnt100, and some in xfntscl.

Which of those package(s) would be most useful under 800x600 on the SVGA
server?  What situation calls for 75dpi, 100dpi, or scalable fonts?  The
common apps I run right now include rxvt, emacs, & xmosaic.  It'd be
great to just add one of those font packages.  I can certainly try
installing them in turn and see what lights up my life, but maybe I can
get a little more background than I have from docs or FAQs on the roles
of those different fonts.  

Many thanks as always,

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1.	Summary
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My 2.0.0 kernel using the aic7xxx driver corrupts the superblock of my
root filesystem (panics at boot, thinking it is an MS-DOS fs).  My
1.2.13 kernel, using aha274x doesn't corrupt it.  I'd like to know
whether this corresponds to a problem fixed in 2.0.n (for n>0), or
what I should do now.

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Contents of this post:

1.	Summary (above)
2.	Hardware/software setup
3.	Fuller description of the problem.
4.	Extracts from /var/adm/messages
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2.	Hardware/software setup
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486DX-2/66, ASUS VLB
Adaptec 2842 scsi controller
Conner CFP1080S scsi disk
Toshiba scsi CDROM model: XM-3501TA
HP scsi tape: Model: HP35470A
Teac 1.44 floppy
Two kernels:
1.2.13, built using aha274x (aha274x.h v1.11, aha274x.c v1.29)
	custom-built from debian 0.93R6
2.0.0, built using aic7xxx (aic7xxx.h v3.1, aic7xxx.c v3.2)
	custom-built from debian 1.1

The kernel is configured for scsi, scsi disk, scsi tape, and scsi
cdrom support, as well as the appropriate driver.  ISO9660 fs support
is loaded as a module.

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3.	Fuller description of problem
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I upgraded my system from debian 0.93R6 to debian 1.1 (except for the
distribution kernel, which wouldn't boot).  I then built a custom
kernel for my machine, including support for my controller (aic7xxx).
I ran this several times over about four days, and then began to make
installation disks (for another machine), using "dd" to write files
from my cdrom to the floppies.  While "dd" was writing the fourth
disk, I had a kernel panic, which I wrote down (figuring it wouldn't
necessarily get written to /var/adm/messages):

	aic7xxx (aic7xxx_isr) BRKADRINT error (0xff):
	Illegal Host Access
	Illegal Sequencer Address referenced
	Illegal Opcode in sequencer program
	Sequencer RAM parity error
	Kernel panic aic7xxx: (aic7xxx_isr)

Sure enough, it wasn't written to /var/adm/messages, although there is
a message (also echoed to the terminal) each time the cdrom is
mounted (didn't happen under the old kernel):

	ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A

At this point, I had to do a hard reboot and let fsck fix any damage.
I poked around for clues, and then wrote the remaining installations
disks.  I then got another message:

	ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
	scsi0: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: 0x08 01 37
		3a 08 0
	Current error sr0b:00: sns = f0  3
	ASC=15 ASCQ= 0
	Raw sense data:0xf0 0x00 0x03 0x17 0x46 0x01 0x00 0x0a 0x00
		0x00 0x00 0x00 0x15 0x00 0x00 0x00 
	CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 318696

At this point, I rebooted with "shutdown ..." and found that my root
filesystem could not be mounted.  I used my emergency disks to run
fsck, and found that the superblock was corrupted.  I used an
alternate superblock, and the problem (bad free block count) was
fixed.

At this point I found I could boot repeatedly with my old (1.2.13,
aha274x) kernel, with no apparent ill effects.  However, if I booted
with my new (2.0.0, aic7xxx) kernel, I would boot successfully, but
the *next* boot would stop at the partition check, finding the root
filesystem unmountable (and a message suggesting that it is an MS-DOS
fs --- I have no MS-DOS fs!).  The message begins:

	[MS-DOS FS Rel.12, ...

I tried passing "aic7xxx=extended,no_reset" at boot time.  Although
this skipped the scsi bus reset, it didn't seem to solve the problem.

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4.	Extracts from /var/adm/messages
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Here's what the aic7xxx kernel boot sequence looks like.  The "cannot
find map" message seems to be because the custom kernel System.map is
not in /boot (I just noticed that it *is* in the
/usr/src/kernel... directory).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Aug  3 13:54:06 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Cannot find map file.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Console: 16 point font, 400 scans
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 33.18 BogoMIPS
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Memory: 14876k/16384k available (656k kernel code, 384k reserved, 468k data)
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.12 for Linux NET3.035.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.034
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Linux version 2.0.0 (root@riel) (gcc version 2.7.2) #1 Tue Jul 30 19:35:51 PDT 1996
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Reading SEEPROM...done.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Extended translation disabled.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: AHA-2840 Rev E and subsequent.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Using 4 SCB's after checking for SCB memory.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Using level sensitive interrupts.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: AHA-2840 AT VLB SLOT 1:
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     irq 11
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     bus release time 40 bclks
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     data fifo threshold 100%
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     SCSI CHANNEL A:
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi id 7
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi selection timeout 256 ms
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi bus reset at power-on enabled
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi bus parity enabled
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi bus termination (low byte) enabled
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Downloading sequencer code...done.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Resetting the SCSI bus...done.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 3.2/3.1/3.0
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: scsi : 1 host.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Scanning channel A for devices.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Target 0, channel A, now synchronous at 4.0MHz, offset(0xf).
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: CD-ROM XM-3501TA  Rev: 3384
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Target 3, channel A, now synchronous at 5.0MHz, offset(0xf).
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Vendor: HP        Model: HP35470A          Rev: T503
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Type:   Sequential-Access                  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Target 6, channel A, now synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset(0xf).
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Vendor: CONNER    Model: CFP1080S          Rev: 3939
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: scsi : detected 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 1 SCSI disk total.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2110812 [1030 MB] [1.0 GB]
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Partition check:
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > sda4
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Adding Swap: 32764k swap-space
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)
Aug  3 14:03:04 riel syslogd: exiting on signal 15
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here's what the boot for the aha274x looks like.  There's also a
message about "cannot find map" but I can't fix this one as easily
because I attempted to rebuild this kernel with my new elf-ized
setup.  The build failed (maybe 1.2.13 can't be elf-ish), but I had
cleaned up the area (make mrproper).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Aug  3 14:56:05 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
Aug  3 14:56:05 riel kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Cannot find map file.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Console: colour EGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 33.55 BogoMips
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Serial driver version 4.11 with no serial options enabled
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: extended translation disabled
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: AHA284X AT SLOT 1:
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     irq 11
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     bus release time 40 bclks
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     data fifo threshold 100%
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     SCSI CHANNEL A:
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi id 7
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi bus parity check enabled
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi selection timeout 256 ms
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi bus reset at power-on enabled
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x (EISA/VL-bus -> Fast SCSI) 1.28/1.11/1.29
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: scsi : 1 host.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: target 0 now synchronous at 4.0Mb/s
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: CD-ROM XM-3501TA  Rev: 3384
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, id 0, lun 0
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: target 3 now synchronous at 5.0Mb/s
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Vendor: HP        Model: HP35470A          Rev: T503
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Type:   Sequential-Access                  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, id 3, lun 0
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: target 6 now synchronous at 10.0Mb/s
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Vendor: CONNER    Model: CFP1080S          Rev: 3939
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, id 6, lun 0
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: scsi : detected 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 1 SCSI disk total.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: SCSI Hardware sector size is 512 bytes on device sda
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Memory: 15072k/16384k available (604k kernel code, 384k reserved, 324k data)
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society NET3.019
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.019
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Linux version 1.2.13 (root@riel) (gcc version 2.6.3) #2 Thu Jul 11 20:26:36 PDT 1996
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Partition check:
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > sda4
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Adding Swap: 32764k swap-space
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: lp1 at 0x0378, using polling driver
Aug  3 15:00:15 riel syslogd: exiting on signal 15
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Any ideas on how to fix this?  Thanks in advance.


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> hmm ok well i have checked 5 sites now and fileutils-3.12-4.deb IS the
> newer version. if i am wrong about this please tell where there is a newer
> version.

Check unstable for 3.13-3, if not found try a few days later.

Erick


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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:59:27 +0200 (MET DST)
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> Shouldn't it both conflict and replace color-ls, so that color-ls gets
> completely overwritten when the new fileutils it replaced? Otherwise stuff
> like /usr/doc/copyright/color-ls (for instance) won't get removed... And
> dpkg -l will still show a color-ls package.

done in 3.13-3

Erick


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Who's in charge of ucbmpeg and ucbmpeg_play ? These packages are 
still a.out.

I've tried to rebuild them, but there's little doc (read no doc), and 
it needs Tcl and Tk. Which versions ? I had problems with both Tcl 
7.4 Tk 4.0 and Tcl 7.5 Tk 4.1. I had to link with Tcl 7.4 and 7.5 
plus Tk 4.1. Duh !

Phil.



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Hi,

Is there any way off getting smail to log in the same format as sendmail
did. Currenlty its being logged to /var/adm/smail/logfile.

ie

Jul 14 09:30:01 intrepid sendmail[15405]: JAA15405: from=root, size=332, class=0, pri=30332, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199607140130.JAA15405@intrepid.byteline.com.au>, relay=root@localhost
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>> When I try to run startx, it dies complaining that:
>> 
>> Fatal server error:
>> Cannot open mouse (Device or resource busy)
>> 
>> I then kill gpm and startx works fine.  How can I get both to work
>> together?  I could do this under slackware.
>> 
>Read the man page for gpm. I think you want the -R option and some setup
>in X to use /dev/gpmdata.

I read man, and it seems that the -R option is designed primarily for
bus-mice and I quote:
      "-R     Causes  gpm  to  act  as a repeater: any mouse data
              received while in graphic mode will be produced  on
              the  fifo  /dev/gpmdata  in  mouse-system protocol.
              This means that you can configure the X  server  to
              use  that  fifo  as  a mouse device. This option is
              useful for bus-mouse owners to override the single-
              open  limitation. ..."

But my mouse is a normal, MouseSystems compatible, serial mouse.
Surely I shouldn't have to use the -R option?  I didn't have to under
slackware.

Thanks,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

> I'm running Debian 1.1 on a machine here and as of a few days ago syslogd 
> has stopped working. If I run the daemon manually it runs for about 30 
> seconds and then stops. I've tried removing the sysklogd package (using 
> the --force option) and re-installing it again to no avail.
> 
> -- 
> Dermot Bradley                                Email: bradley@gpl.net
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> 

I had the same problem and mis-diagnosed it too!  I wound up
upgrading the sysklogd package and thought it was the
answer, but it turns out it wasn't.  Here's basically what
happened on my system:

I went through the install and configured my system to be
called "debian" as the install does if you don't have a nic
card to configure.  I then restored my home directories (I
came over from Slackware) and configs and connected to the
net using ppp.  My ppp connect script updates my /etc/hosts
file with hte new dynamic IP address and changes my hostname
to dummypc.  This was intended to be a temporary setup, but
it worked so I never changed it :).  I was using a template
file to change the hosts file using sed.  The template file
didn't have an entry for "debian" as a valid host.  syslogd
wouldn't run, I'm assuming because it couldn't resolve the
hostname returned by "uname -n" to an IP address.

I changed my script to echo a series of commands to ed and
edit the existing hosts file (with a valid debian entry) and
all seems to work fine.  I don't know for sure if my
diagnosis is right here, but I haven't had any problems
since.  Please check this on your system and let me know if
something similar has happened.  I'm curious to see if that
was really it or not.  What ever name is returned by
"hostname" or "uname -n" (should be the same?) should have a
valid entry in /etc/hosts.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, James D. Freels wrote:

> >"More sense on a PC" ? Duh ! Maybe for a "Win95" user.
> >Anyhow, the problems with "I've installed Micro$oft Windoze 95 on my 
> >computer and can't boot Linux anymore" is just due to the fact that 
> >M$ just assumes that anyone use their piece of crap and just baldly 
> >recreates the MBR.
> 
> I know all about the MBR thing.  Don;t try to give me that dumb-*^&%
> stuff.  Been there, done that...
> 
> I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.  Get off your
> high horse just a minute and think about what you are saying.
> 

Cool!

> 
> P.S.  BTW, M$ Windoze-95 is not a piece of crap.  I think we all agree
> in this group that it is wowfully behind the capabilities of Linux.
> But, one cannot deny the numbers.  If it were that bad, why are there
> so many people using it?  We can't isolate ourselves.  The thing to do
> is figure out how to work with it.
> 

I love these threads, but maybe we should take it off of
debian-user?

I think Win95 really is a piece of crap!  In fact, I'd go as
far to say that its a piece of sh*t!  The reason its got so
many installations is because of the way Micr$oft
strong armed its corporate user base with support issues
into switching.  Although I must say, Win95 is not enjoying
anything like the success of Win3.x.  If you think about it,
Windows really is responsible for the PC explosion, so I'm
not really much of a Bill basher.  But I also know that
market share is what pushed Win95 onto people's desktops.
Here at Bear we use WinNT exclusively for a Windows platform
(more or less) and have no plans to mess with Win95.

Win95 has forced people into a stronger committment to
Micro$oft, securing future marketshare, etc.  It really
doesn't offer much else (other than instalbility and a
learning curve for Win3.x users).  The new NT4.0 workstation
will have the same interface and then everyone can upgrade
again.  This time, there will be less throw away code, and
an already familiar user interface for Win95 users.

As far as comparing it to Linux/Unix, Window$ is perceived
as being "easier" to install and maintain.  Any of us who
have ever had to trouble shoot a Window$ system knows
better, but that's not important.  Becuase Window$ is the
platform of choice for most of the computing world, that's
where all major application development efforts are focused.
People don't use really great OS's for the most part.  They
use applications they think they need.  Everybody wants drag
-n- drop, plug -n- play, point -n- shoot, WYSIWYG, net
aware, multi-media aware/capable, etc.  I can do my job on a
vt100 and be basically just as effective, but much of the
world can't read their e-mail without hearing their favorite
jingle and watching an animated icon do a soft shoe across
the screen.

I think I had a point when I started this but I'm sure I've
lost it, so I'll shut up now.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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Thank you to all who responded with congratulations, etc.

There were so many responses that its just easier to send
thanks to the list.

P.S.:  My wife and son are both doing very well, although we
feel like we haven't slept since the 80's.

Richard G. Roberto
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     Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my 
     machine ???
     
     If I issue the hostname command: hostname newname
     
     the node name is set to newname - HOWEVER after a reboot the original 
     name returns.
     
     
     Where is this info written ?
     
     Thanx in advance...


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I had this same problem. I ended up going back to the 1.99.7 kernel, which
does not have this problem. I haven't yet tested the newer kernels.


At 09:44 PM 8/4/96 PDT, Danny Heap wrote:
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>1.	Summary
>----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>My 2.0.0 kernel using the aic7xxx driver corrupts the superblock of my
>root filesystem (panics at boot, thinking it is an MS-DOS fs).  My
>1.2.13 kernel, using aha274x doesn't corrupt it.  I'd like to know
>whether this corresponds to a problem fixed in 2.0.n (for n>0), or
>what I should do now.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Contents of this post:
>
>1.	Summary (above)
>2.	Hardware/software setup
>3.	Fuller description of the problem.
>4.	Extracts from /var/adm/messages
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>2.	Hardware/software setup
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>486DX-2/66, ASUS VLB
>Adaptec 2842 scsi controller
>Conner CFP1080S scsi disk
>Toshiba scsi CDROM model: XM-3501TA
>HP scsi tape: Model: HP35470A
>Teac 1.44 floppy
>Two kernels:
>1.2.13, built using aha274x (aha274x.h v1.11, aha274x.c v1.29)
>	custom-built from debian 0.93R6
>2.0.0, built using aic7xxx (aic7xxx.h v3.1, aic7xxx.c v3.2)
>	custom-built from debian 1.1
>
>The kernel is configured for scsi, scsi disk, scsi tape, and scsi
>cdrom support, as well as the appropriate driver.  ISO9660 fs support
>is loaded as a module.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>3.	Fuller description of problem
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I upgraded my system from debian 0.93R6 to debian 1.1 (except for the
>distribution kernel, which wouldn't boot).  I then built a custom
>kernel for my machine, including support for my controller (aic7xxx).
>I ran this several times over about four days, and then began to make
>installation disks (for another machine), using "dd" to write files
>from my cdrom to the floppies.  While "dd" was writing the fourth
>disk, I had a kernel panic, which I wrote down (figuring it wouldn't
>necessarily get written to /var/adm/messages):
>
>	aic7xxx (aic7xxx_isr) BRKADRINT error (0xff):
>	Illegal Host Access
>	Illegal Sequencer Address referenced
>	Illegal Opcode in sequencer program
>	Sequencer RAM parity error
>	Kernel panic aic7xxx: (aic7xxx_isr)
>
>Sure enough, it wasn't written to /var/adm/messages, although there is
>a message (also echoed to the terminal) each time the cdrom is
>mounted (didn't happen under the old kernel):
>
>	ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
>
>At this point, I had to do a hard reboot and let fsck fix any damage.
>I poked around for clues, and then wrote the remaining installations
>disks.  I then got another message:
>
>	ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
>	scsi0: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: 0x08 01 37
>		3a 08 0
>	Current error sr0b:00: sns = f0  3
>	ASC=15 ASCQ= 0
>	Raw sense data:0xf0 0x00 0x03 0x17 0x46 0x01 0x00 0x0a 0x00
>		0x00 0x00 0x00 0x15 0x00 0x00 0x00 
>	CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 318696
>
>At this point, I rebooted with "shutdown ..." and found that my root
>filesystem could not be mounted.  I used my emergency disks to run
>fsck, and found that the superblock was corrupted.  I used an
>alternate superblock, and the problem (bad free block count) was
>fixed.
>
>At this point I found I could boot repeatedly with my old (1.2.13,
>aha274x) kernel, with no apparent ill effects.  However, if I booted
>with my new (2.0.0, aic7xxx) kernel, I would boot successfully, but
>the *next* boot would stop at the partition check, finding the root
>filesystem unmountable (and a message suggesting that it is an MS-DOS
>fs --- I have no MS-DOS fs!).  The message begins:
>
>	[MS-DOS FS Rel.12, ...
>
>I tried passing "aic7xxx=extended,no_reset" at boot time.  Although
>this skipped the scsi bus reset, it didn't seem to solve the problem.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>4.	Extracts from /var/adm/messages
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Here's what the aic7xxx kernel boot sequence looks like.  The "cannot
>find map" message seems to be because the custom kernel System.map is
>not in /boot (I just noticed that it *is* in the
>/usr/src/kernel... directory).
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Aug  3 13:54:06 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Cannot find map file.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Console: 16 point font, 400 scans
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console
(max 63)
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 33.18 BogoMIPS
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Memory: 14876k/16384k available (656k kernel
code, 384k reserved, 468k data)
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: This processor honours the WP bit even when in
supervisor mode. Good.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035
for Linux 2.0
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.12 for Linux NET3.035.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for
NET3.034
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using
exception 16 error reporting.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Linux version 2.0.0 (root@riel) (gcc version
2.7.2) #1 Tue Jul 30 19:35:51 PDT 1996
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial
options enabled
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of
4096K size
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Reading SEEPROM...done.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Extended translation disabled.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: AHA-2840 Rev E and subsequent.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Using 4 SCB's after checking for SCB
memory.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Using level sensitive interrupts.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: AHA-2840 AT VLB SLOT 1:
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     irq 11
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     bus release time 40 bclks
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     data fifo threshold 100%
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:     SCSI CHANNEL A:
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi id 7
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi selection timeout 256 ms
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi bus reset at power-on enabled
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi bus parity enabled
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:         scsi bus termination (low byte) enabled
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Downloading sequencer code...done.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Resetting the SCSI bus...done.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x
(EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 3.2/3.1/3.0
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: scsi : 1 host.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Scanning channel A for devices.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Target 0, channel A, now synchronous
at 4.0MHz, offset(0xf).
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: CD-ROM XM-3501TA
Rev: 3384
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Target 3, channel A, now synchronous
at 5.0MHz, offset(0xf).
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Vendor: HP        Model: HP35470A
Rev: T503
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Type:   Sequential-Access
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id
3, lun 0
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: aic7xxx: Target 6, channel A, now synchronous
at 10.0MHz, offset(0xf).
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Vendor: CONNER    Model: CFP1080S
Rev: 3939
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id
6, lun 0
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: scsi : detected 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 1
SCSI disk total.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes.
Sectors= 2110812 [1030 MB] [1.0 GB]
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Partition check:
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel:  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > sda4
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: Adding Swap: 32764k swap-space
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the
University of California
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright
1995 Caldera, Inc.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
>Aug  3 13:54:07 riel kernel: lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)
>Aug  3 14:03:04 riel syslogd: exiting on signal 15
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Here's what the boot for the aha274x looks like.  There's also a
>message about "cannot find map" but I can't fix this one as easily
>because I attempted to rebuild this kernel with my new elf-ized
>setup.  The build failed (maybe 1.2.13 can't be elf-ish), but I had
>cleaned up the area (make mrproper).
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Aug  3 14:56:05 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
>Aug  3 14:56:05 riel kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Cannot find map file.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Console: colour EGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console
(max 63)
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 33.55 BogoMips
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Serial driver version 4.11 with no serial
options enabled
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: extended translation disabled
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: AHA284X AT SLOT 1:
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     irq 11
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     bus release time 40 bclks
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     data fifo threshold 100%
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:     SCSI CHANNEL A:
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi id 7
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi bus parity check enabled
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi selection timeout 256 ms
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:         scsi bus reset at power-on enabled
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x (EISA/VL-bus ->
Fast SCSI) 1.28/1.11/1.29
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: scsi : 1 host.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: target 0 now synchronous at 4.0Mb/s
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: CD-ROM XM-3501TA
Rev: 3384
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, id 0, lun 0
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: target 3 now synchronous at 5.0Mb/s
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Vendor: HP        Model: HP35470A
Rev: T503
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Type:   Sequential-Access
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, id 3, lun 0
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: aha274x: target 6 now synchronous at 10.0Mb/s
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Vendor: CONNER    Model: CFP1080S
Rev: 3939
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, id 6, lun 0
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: scsi : detected 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 1
SCSI disk total.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: SCSI Hardware sector size is 512 bytes on
device sda
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Memory: 15072k/16384k available (604k kernel
code, 384k reserved, 324k data)
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: This processor honours the WP bit even when in
supervisor mode. Good.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society NET3.019
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for
NET3.019
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using
exception 16 error reporting.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Linux version 1.2.13 (root@riel) (gcc version
2.6.3) #2 Thu Jul 11 20:26:36 PDT 1996
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Partition check:
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel:   sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > sda4
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: Adding Swap: 32764k swap-space
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the
University of California
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright
1995 Caldera, Inc.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
>Aug  3 14:56:06 riel kernel: lp1 at 0x0378, using polling driver
>Aug  3 15:00:15 riel syslogd: exiting on signal 15
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Any ideas on how to fix this?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Danny Heap, UCSF, 3333 California St., Room 102, SF CA, 94122
>danny@maxwell.ucsf.edu, voice:	(415) 476-8910, fax: (415) 476-1508
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Something has happened to stop ls giving color output.  I used to be
> able to just run:
> 
> eval `dircolors`
> 
> and ls would work in color - even without specifying the "--color"
> option.  (And no, ls was not aliased)
> 
> Now it seems I need to type "ls --color" to get color?
> 
> What is the problem?  I've changed a number of things of late - moved
> from tcsh to bash (but same thing happens in both shells), and
> upgraded a number of packages.  So I don't know what has caused the
> change.  Any ideas anyone?
> 
> Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)
> 
I had the same problem, seemed to fix itself after I downloaded the 
newest version of color-ls.

Hope this helps

Shaya Potter
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Hello all,

  I have upgraded my Debian system using latex_2e-7 and mflib_1.0-8 as
described in an earlier message I read from this mailing list.
However, when I tried to use T1 font encoding, I got a lot of errors
regarding font availability.

Running latex on a document that requires DC fonts (\usepackage[T1]{fontenc})
generates errors when it looks for fonts to be included in the document.

I don't have exact logs to put in my mail (I test new packages at my home, not
at my office, sorry :-( ) but I can try to explain what latex do:

when loading fontenc, latex selects T1 encoding by then load the upright font
at the desired size (10, 11 or 12pt, I tried all of them).
Name of font (for 10pt, for instance) is dcr1000.mf.
However, this font isn't available in my system, then latex run MakeTeXTFM to
build it and store a new description in /var/spool/texmf/fonts/source.

In the followind step, latex (or maybe MakeTeXTFM ?) run MakeTeXMF on that
source to generate a bitmap font. However it doesn't find the font.
Apparently, /var/spool/texmf/fonts/source isn't in the default MFINPUTS path :-(
Therefore I added it and reran latex (by setenv MFINPUTS <thisfontpath>:).

Latex then generate all the fonts I needed in my document but all are ugly
under xdvi (characters strokes are very, very thin).

Apparently, this new distribution uses DC fonts v1.2 but the old one
(latex_2e-4) uses a previous version.
I heard that I should also upgrade fonts. Should it fix my problem ?
I also heard that mf program should be designed to run with DC-1.2 fonts :-\
BTW, I didn't find a newer package than mfbasfnt_1.0-3 and textfm_1.0-3 that
I already have installed.
Does a new font package will be planned ?

Thank in advance for all replies I could receive.

-- 
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Hello,

  I would avoid upgrade of few packages when I upgrade my system from a
new distribution.
Packages I should not upgrade are "base", "netscape" and few others. "base"
because I changed some rights on devices (under /dev) and I don't want to
reset them (and "base" is not required to upgrade (see package description)).
"netscape" because I don't want to upgrade it synchronously with system
upgrade (mostly because it's only an installer that require netscape tar to
be present in /tmp :( ).

Is there a way to tell dselect/dpkg to skip some installed packages during an
upgrade without removing them from distribution ? (if provided on a cdrom, it
hard to erase them ;) )
(dpkg is called from dselect passing -iGROEB options that recursively parse
distribution directories and upgrade *all* packages previously installed).

Thanks in advance.

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Hello

I'm a new user of the Linux-system especially Debian-Linux. I recieved a CD
from you from July.
I've got a problem if a want to install other programs on my system:
I already installed the base-system and that's all. Now I want to install
X11, but if I start 'dselect` and say, that I want to install from CD the
program doesn't find a path on CD. The program want to know the top level of
the Debian system. If I enter a path (for example: /contrib), the program
says that the directory `/contrib/stable/binary-i386' doesn't exists. So I
look on the CD and there's no directory called `.../stable/...'. What have I
done wrong or what's  wrong with the program/CD?
Is there another way to install other programs (like the (Win-)DOS-emulator
or editors...)


Oliver Resch


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In your email to me, David_Oswald@prenhall.com, you wrote:
> 
>      Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my 
>      machine ???
>      
>      If I issue the hostname command: hostname newname
>      
>      the node name is set to newname - HOWEVER after a reboot the original 
>      name returns.
>      
>      
>      Where is this info written ?

edit /etc/hostname

Tim

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>     Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my 
>     machine ???
>     

edit /etc/hostname so that it contains the hostname that you want.
put hostname `cat /etc/hostname` in one of your rc.* scripts if it
isn't there already.

Will



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David_Oswald@prenhall.com writes:

>      Where is this info written ?

/etc/hostname at the minimum.

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Rob


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Look in /etc/hostname file

-Josh Stockwell


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Firstly let me introduce myself as a B. Tech Computer Science and
Engineering student at University of Mauritius. For my final year, I have
to do a project namely:

'Design and Implementation of a Dynamic Domain Name Server for host
configuration on a LAN.' If, for e. g., a new server joins the LAN, the
Domain Name Server automatically updates a lookup table automatically.

Can any of you please help me in this project. Also what are others features that might be 
considered.

The DNS will be implemted using RPC under linux.

In Mauritius we have very few specialised and thus your help will be valuable.

Thank you for your attention

Osman

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My system has become increasingly flaky in the last 36 hours, and I
need whatever advice anyone might have to offer quickly!

I wouldn't bring this to the list, except that I believe that whatever 
problem I'm having may well affect others.

History:
On Saturday I got carried away with housecleaning:  I started with the
study, but then decided to clean the computers, and then I decided to
clean the _insides_ of the computers.  That now looks like a big mistake.

(The system has an Intel Plato motherboard with an NCR SCSI controller,
2 1 GByte SCSI disks, 1 SCSI CD-ROM, and (externally) a Micropolis 
9 GByte disk drive and an Exabyte tape drive.  This particular Micropolis
has been well behaved, but I had another Micropolis 9 Gbyte which died
quickly, so now I think of them as delicate disk drives.  The system 
has 48 MBytes of RAM, though it is rare that I ever see more than 
2 MBytes of RAM free when I run vmstat -- an issue I'd been meaning to 
investigate for months.  This seems odd to me since I am almost
always the only user.)

It's been a while since I've backed up the system.

After I cleaned it, the system seemed to boot up normally.
But the next morning, I saw a message:
   KERNEL PANIC, and something about a SCSI I/O error.  
I tried to logout so I could reboot normally,
but couldn't do that.  So I shutdown the system, and when I tried to
reboot, I was of course greeted by a message that said I'd have to run
fsck manually.  When I did that, I was asked to agree to a bunch of
actions which I didn't understand, but agreed to anyway.  Then the report
came up that a file system (/dev/sdc1) had been changed.

I was unable to boot after the fsck process.  Using emergency boot disks
(made with Bruce's boot-floppies package), I was able to boot enough
to remove /dev/sdc1 from /etc/fstab, and then mke2fs on /dev/sdc1, which
allowed me to boot normally again.

Having come this close to a crisis, I decided to back up the system. (!)
This has resulted in more and worse failures.
1.  I used tob, with the command,
   bash /sbin/tob -rc /etc/tob/tob.rc.afioz -full all 

    I left the room, came back after a couple of hours, and saw that the
    process seemed to have made some progress, but then just stopped.
    The afio process was marked 'D' in the ps -ax output.

    Again, I tried to shutdown, couldn't, had to turn off the machine,
    went through another fsck exercise, and finally rebooted.

2.  I tried tob again with the command:
   bash /sbin/tob -rc /etc/tob/tob.rc.afioz.TEST -full all 

    The process seemed to start up normally, so I let it go for a few hours.

    Same result.  I took notes this time:
  PID TTY STAT  TIME COMMAND
  375  p1 S    0:00 -bash 
  484  p1 S    0:00 bash /sbin/tob -rc /etc/tob/tob.rc.afioz.TEST -full all 
  515  p1 D    2:50 afio -Zvo /tmp/tob.out 

    I also noted that the root file system (on which /tmp was mounted)
    was full.  So I removed some files that I thought might alleviate
    the problem, but I was never able to reawaken tob.

3.  In desperation, I tried plain old tar, but now that seems to have 
    done exactly the same thing:  i.e., it started out well, the disks
    and taper whirred a lot, but now the process seems to have hung.
    Here's the ps -ax output:

  PID TTY STAT  TIME COMMAND
22671  p2 D    0:24 tar -cvf /dev/st0 /home 


    Now one of my xterms seems to have some very weird settings -- the
    characters have all changed from a-z to some graphics set, and 
    'stty sane' doesn't help.  

     The root file system is not full, vmstat reports about 1.8 MBytes
     free (which is maddening, but typical).

     I do not believe that I can reboot the system now without serious
     loss of data.

I'm sorry it's taken so long to relay my story.  I'd very much appreciate 
any advice on how to get rid of all the sick processes now on this 
system (see process table below), and how I might safely back up some
files and reboot.  Meantime, as I mentioned above, I think this is all 
a sign of some peculiar memory problems.  I suspect tob is not the
source of the problem.

Regards,
Susan Kleinmann


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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 David_Oswald@prenhall.com wrote:

>      Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my 
>      machine ???
>      Where is this info written ?

	Edit the single-line file /etc/hostname so it holds your 
machine's desired (new) hostname.


David winters+@pitt.edu


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>      Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my 
>      machine ???
>      
>      If I issue the hostname command: hostname newname
>      
>      the node name is set to newname - HOWEVER after a reboot the original 
>      name returns.

The host name of a machine is stored in /etc/hostname.  This file is read by
/etc/init.d/boot at boot time.  Change it here and it's "permanent".

>      Where is this info written ?

I don't know that it is.  Whenever I'm wondering about this kind of thing
(and how I found the information I needed to answer your question), I
usually start by cd'ing to /etc and using fgrep on the contents of it and
its subdirectories...  This has the added benefit of throwing up instances
of what you want to change that you might not have thought about.  For
instance, on the Debian machine I tried this on, the host name also appears
in the following files:

/etc/hosts
/etc/mailname
/etc/smail/config

Your mileage may vary...

				Warwick

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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 David_Oswald@prenhall.com wrote:

>      Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my 
>      machine ???
> ...
>      Where is this info written ?
> 

file: "/etc/hostname"
edit this file to change your hostname.

You might also want to add an entry in /etc/hosts for your new hostname.

Fun,

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I get the following error messages every time perl starts up
on my debian-linux machines (perl and return with do it!)
This is the current perl-5.003 release.  Any idea how I can
rid my system of this problem?  (The perl scripts all run 
fine, I am not that familiar with perl).

warning: setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "") failed.
warning: LC_ALL = "(null)", LC_CTYPE = "(null)", LANG = "de",
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The other day I removed the package dpkg-ftpd (the perl script) as
dselect reported it as an 'Obselete/Local package'; this seemed sensible
at the time, however I now can't utilise ftp as an install method. As I
understand it there is an alternative way of doing this... but I
couldn't find any packages on a debian mirror, and I'm not sure how to
integrate the dftp-1.5 script I found in the tools directory.

Pointers to documentation regarding this or even a solution would be
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>program doesn't find a path on CD. The program want to know the top level of
>the Debian system. If I enter a path (for example: /contrib), the program
>says that the directory `/contrib/stable/binary-i386' doesn't exists. So I
>look on the CD and there's no directory called `.../stable/...'. What have I
>done wrong or what's  wrong with the program/CD?
>Is there another way to install other programs (like the (Win-)DOS-emulator
>or editors...)
>
dselect, which I don't like at all, uses the program dpkg to install,
remove, etc., packages. You must first mount the cdrom with a command
like

mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt 

and then find the package that you want in on the cdrom (in the /mnt
tree)
and then do 

dpkg -i package_to_install.deb


Will



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Updated Instructions!!!

Howto Upgrade a Running Slackware 3.0 System to Debian 1.1
----------------------------------------------------------
I have the problem that our main server has to be up almost 24hrs a day but
yet I need to switch to Debian since Slackware is becomming badly outdated.

Here is how to do it. Note that Debian is not yet running since I am
still stuck at step 9 trying to get as much as I can of my old configuration
over to the new system before rebooting.

1. Prepare an empty partition and mount it on /new

2. untar buzz-fixed/disks-i386/*14/base1_1.tgz on it

3. Setup  /new/etc/fstab  /new/etc/localtime, /new/etc/hostname etc.

4. make a directory /new/ftp and mount your NFS Server with
the Debian distribution

5. Activate Debian 1.1 in a chroot environment

chroot /new bash

6. Mount the proc filesystem lest cron and at will not install:

mount /proc

7. Install debian packages

Run dselect and dpkg to install aditional packages from the /ftp directory.
Its amazing how much you can do with two distributions on one
machine this way. You should even be able to compile programs.

Be careful what daemons are started in the chroot environment. Kill them off ASAP
otherwise they might mess up something in your Slackware setup.

8. Fix some stuff

The process of moving the configuration files from the old root to the new
root is probably now to be done and the most painful in the process.

9. Reconfigure lilo to boot with the new partition
You better have alternate boot possibilities now if something
goes wrong.

10. Reboot
Fix more things that broke with the change <G>! Or reboot with the old system.


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Dear Debian Users,

I've recently installed debian linux on my portable and have run
into a problem with dpkg.  

First, some background.  I don't have access to an up and running
linux machine, except for one with minimal disk space.  I used
that to make floppies for a base installation.  Then I put my zip
drive on a mac with an ethernet card and ftp-ed the most of the
debian installation from my our mirror (most means Packages.gz
and the directories admin, base, comm, devel, doc, editors, mail,
math, misc, net, news, shells, sound, tex, text, and x11) I
ftp-ed these to a dos formatted zip disks.  

Next, I reformatted my hard drive with three partitions: one for
linux, one for linux swap and one a 200 Mb dos partition.  Then,
I booted DOS from a floppy that included drivers for my adaptec
pcmcia scsi card, and I copied everything from the zip disks to
the dos partition on the hard drive.  

After that, I rebooted with the linux boot floppy and went
through the installation procedure.  Up to this point all was
great.  I had a working base installation and I could boot linux
from my hard drive.  When running dselect, all seemed to be ok,
but I couldn't seem to install anything, even when dselect told
me it had installed things.  So, I looked at the debian .deb
files on the msdos partition.  Because they were copied from a
mac to a dos formatted disk, they all had names like
`!acct_62.-0d'.  To simplify dealing with them from bash, I wrote
a script that removed the `!' from the filenames.  Still, dselect
didn't seem to be able to find them, so I started using dpkg by
itself.  This worked great, until I started trying to install
xlib and emacs.  Now dselect tells me that they are both half
installed and need to be reconfigured.  When I run dpkg to
reinstall them, dpkg freezes my machine.

Any ideas?

Regards, Mike


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Hi,

Is there a way to access the Virtual Console's scrollback buffer, for example
to save the screen to a text file? Perhaps something in /proc?

Thanks.


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 pai@ece.utexas.edu wrote:

>   I am installing debian linux from CDROM.
> My CDROM is panasonic CR-562 CDROM. I select
> the "sbpcd" module. Is that correct? When the system
> boots, the busy light in CDROM flashes. But when I use
> "dselect", it ask me the block device name. How do I answer it?
> And when I use "mount" command, it doesn't show CDROM is mounted.
> What's happened?

Read the CDROM-HOWTO.  It has the answers to all your questions.

Gerry


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I've built a kernel with the sources from 2.0.6, but I'm having problems
when I try to run it.  I get the error:

    VFS: Cannot open root device 03:02
    Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:02

This is what I have in my .config file:

    #
    # Filesystems
    #
    # CONFIG_QUOTA is not set
    # CONFIG_LOCK_MANDATORY is not set
    CONFIG_MINIX_FS=y
    # CONFIG_EXT_FS is not set
    CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
    # CONFIG_XIA_FS is not set
    CONFIG_FAT_FS=y
    CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y
    CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m
    CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS=m
    CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
    CONFIG_NFS_FS=y
    # CONFIG_ROOT_NFS is not set
    # CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set
    # CONFIG_ISO9660_FS is not set
    # CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set
    # CONFIG_SYSV_FS is not set
    # CONFIG_UFS_FS is not set
    
Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Rob
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Many thanks to Susan, Digge, Adrenolin, JinHo, and others who responded
to my call for help in getting my mouse set up.

I think that I have solved my problem with using my PS2 mouse with X.
My solution is to not use a PS2 mouse.  Use a serial mouse instead.

My theory is that the base system for Debian 1.1 does not support PS2 mice
for certain non-standard but common hardware configurations.

I believe that the root of the problem is somewhere in the land of
/dev/.  This is certianly speculation on my part, but I do have some
evidence to back it up.  I will submit a bug report through normal
channels and put the details there.


Mike


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I recently had a memory problem that I solved by reseating the SIMMs.
I didn't remove them.  I just wiggled them.  If you try it, be sure to
protect against static discarge.

Mike


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I have a single machine on the net (zachs.place.org)
with ip aliases to make it also be (eth0:0) juggling.place.org
and (eth0:1) www.worldwind.com.  Which all works fine.
Except... that anywhere I telnet to from that machine
sees me as coming from www.worldwind.com instead of from 
zachs.place.org.  Which screws up ip-based filters, and etc.
So does anyone know how/why this happens? IMHO, telnets should
appear to come from the 'primary' (non-aliased) IP, not from
one of the aliases.  ideas?

 --Zachary


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Hi,

>     VFS: Cannot open root device 03:02

your IDE driver is missing or can't find the disk. Is there any lines about
IDE disks on the screen?

Greetings
Bernd


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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> >> When I try to run startx, it dies complaining that:
> >> 
> >> Fatal server error:
> >> Cannot open mouse (Device or resource busy)
> >> 
> >> I then kill gpm and startx works fine.  How can I get both to work
> >> together?  I could do this under slackware.
> >> 
> >Read the man page for gpm. I think you want the -R option and some setup
> >in X to use /dev/gpmdata.
> 
> I read man, and it seems that the -R option is designed primarily for
> bus-mice and I quote:
>       "-R     Causes  gpm  to  act  as a repeater: any mouse data
>               received while in graphic mode will be produced  on
>               the  fifo  /dev/gpmdata  in  mouse-system protocol.
>               This means that you can configure the X  server  to
>               use  that  fifo  as  a mouse device. This option is
>               useful for bus-mouse owners to override the single-
>               open  limitation. ..."
> 
> But my mouse is a normal, MouseSystems compatible, serial mouse.
> Surely I shouldn't have to use the -R option?  I didn't have to under
> slackware.
> 
I suspect that slackware runs the daemon with the -R option and sets up X
to use /dev/gpmdata. Try it ;-)

Dwarf

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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Eric Delaunay wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I would avoid upgrade of few packages when I upgrade my system from a
> new distribution.

The concept you're looking for is 'Hold'. Just move the highlight to the
packages you don't want upgraded and press 'H' to put them on hold. When
you do want to upgrade them, just 'unhold' them by pressing the 'G' key.

Here are the relevant lines from the 'Select' help screen of dselect:

Mark packages for later processing:
 +, Insert  install or upgrade      =, H  hold in present state
 -, Delete  remove                  :, G  unhold: upgrade or leave uninstalled
 _          remove & purge config                            


> -- 
>  Eric Delaunay                 | "La guerre justifie l'existence des militaires.
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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, James D. Freels wrote:

> I get the following error messages every time perl starts up
> on my debian-linux machines (perl and return with do it!)
> This is the current perl-5.003 release.  Any idea how I can
> rid my system of this problem?  (The perl scripts all run 
> fine, I am not that familiar with perl).
> 
> warning: setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "") failed.
> warning: LC_ALL = "(null)", LC_CTYPE = "(null)", LANG = "de",
> warning: falling back to the "C" locale.

1. Have you installed the wg-locale (or something like that) package? You
need to if you want to use locales.

2. Even then, I doubt 'de' is a valid locale name. Try 'de_DE' (or any
other one of the de_* locales that come with wg15-locale.deb

  Christian



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I'm finally upgrading a 2-years-ancient Linux system, running
an old Slackware 1.2 (or so) distribution.  Back then Slackware's
default mail agent was smail; since then they've switched to sendmail.

Slackware 3 was pre-installed on the new machine I bought, so I
thought I'd try using it as the base system and selectively restoring
my old setup as needed.  I had problems compiling the latest smail
from source, and the current Slackware smail binaries aren't
configured to look for the same things as the old ones did.  After
a few hours of tinkering I had outgoing mail working but not
incoming.

I'm wondering if it wouldn't just be easier, since I'm in for
a reinstall anyway, to junk Slackware and try building on a
new Debian system.  I'd be interested in hearing from anyone
who has taken a similar leap from an old Slackware setup, especially
re: the smail configuration.
-- 
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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Warwick HARVEY wrote:

> >  Can anyone tell me how to _Permanently_ change the hostname on my
> >  machine ???
> >
> >  If I issue the hostname command: hostname newname
> >
> >  the node name is set to newname - HOWEVER after a reboot the
> >  original name returns.
>
> The host name of a machine is stored in /etc/hostname. This file
> is read by /etc/init.d/boot at boot time. Change it here and it's
> "permanent".

lots of other config files may have the old hostname as well.  When i change
the hostname on a machine i usually edit /etc/hostname as mentioned above,
and then grep in /etc for any other files containing the hostname.

e.g. if the old hostname is "oldhost", then:

    find /etc | xargs grep -l oldhost

will give a list of files containing the word oldhost.  edit them with your
favourite text editor (vi!) to change them.

some files will just want the hostname.  some will want
hostname.domain.name.  check the relevant man pages to be sure if it isn't
obvious from the file you are editing.


> /etc/hosts
> /etc/mailname
> /etc/smail/config

yep, also look in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc, /etc/mail/sendmail.cw if you are
running sendmail.  the "find ... | grep ..." command above should find them
all.

Craig



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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Rich Deighton wrote:

> The other day I removed the package dpkg-ftpd (the perl script) as
> dselect reported it as an 'Obselete/Local package'; this seemed sensible
> at the time, however I now can't utilise ftp as an install method. As I
> understand it there is an alternative way of doing this... but I
> couldn't find any packages on a debian mirror, and I'm not sure how to
> integrate the dftp-1.5 script I found in the tools directory.

'Obsolete/Local' is just dselect's way of saying it found the package
installed on your system but not in the Debian distribution. You certainly
don't need to uninstall packages in there... unless you want to, that is.

Just reinstall dpkg-ftp and the 'ftp' method of dselect will work again.

  Christian



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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 OlliR@aol.com wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I'm a new user of the Linux-system especially Debian-Linux. I recieved a CD
> from you from July.
> I've got a problem if a want to install other programs on my system:
> I already installed the base-system and that's all. Now I want to install
> X11, but if I start 'dselect` and say, that I want to install from CD the
> program doesn't find a path on CD. The program want to know the top level of
> the Debian system. If I enter a path (for example: /contrib), the program
> says that the directory `/contrib/stable/binary-i386' doesn't exists. So I
> look on the CD and there's no directory called `.../stable/...'. What have I
> done wrong or what's  wrong with the program/CD?
> Is there another way to install other programs (like the (Win-)DOS-emulator
> or editors...)

You need to specify the path as:

/YourCDMountPoint/contrib

for the contrib sections. You might also want the updates directory:

/YourCDMountPoint/updates

Luck,

Dwarf

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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 OlliR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Hello
> > 
> > I'm a new user of the Linux-system especially Debian-Linux. I recieved a CD
> > from you from July.
> > I've got a problem if a want to install other programs on my system:
> > I already installed the base-system and that's all. Now I want to install
> > X11, but if I start 'dselect` and say, that I want to install from CD the
> > program doesn't find a path on CD. The program want to know the top level of
> > the Debian system. If I enter a path (for example: /contrib), the program
> > says that the directory `/contrib/stable/binary-i386' doesn't exists. So I
> > look on the CD and there's no directory called `.../stable/...'. What have I
> > done wrong or what's  wrong with the program/CD?
> > Is there another way to install other programs (like the (Win-)DOS-emulator
> > or editors...)
> 
> You need to specify the path as:
> 
> /YourCDMountPoint/contrib
> 
> for the contrib sections. You might also want the updates directory:
> 
> /YourCDMountPoint/updates
> 
Sorry, I realized almost immediately after pressing send that I had
misunderstood your question. (It's what follows 'contrib' in the path that
dselect is not finding) I remember some discussion of this...try:

dpkg -i /YourCDMountPoint/updates/binary-i386/base/dpkg_1.2.11elf.deb

and let me know if that resolves the issue.

On the other hand, you could copy the relevant directories off of the CD
and put them into the path structure that this version of dselect wants to
find them.

Hope this helps more than the last post,

Dwarf

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Hi,

I should write this message in debian-devel, but I don't know how to
subscribe to it, so I post this here.

I've got my account on master.debian.org, so I should be a developer, but
some e-mails asking for help to several people got no reply. Can anybody
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hi folks,

Just after having installed Debian 1.1.3 from buzz-fixed/1996_07_14 I was
using tar to copy debian packages on the disk, more precisely:

tar -xvMf /dev/fd0

(they are multi-volume files).
Doing this I get "segmentation fault".

I've tried with different volume sets (I've done one for each section,
base, admin, devel .... etc) and I get inconsistent results. Some
stops at the very first disk and some after that.

Moreover dropping the -M or -v or both option (that of course results
in a incomplete backup) works for the volume sets that stops at the
first disk.
 
Anyboby experiencing the same?
Any idea.

Any help is very appreciated.

-------------------------------------------
Guglielmo Rabbiolo (rabbio@math.purdue.edu)
Mathematics Department, 
Purdue University, W Lafayette IN
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>On the other hand, you could copy the relevant directories off of the CD
>and put them into the path structure that this version of dselect wants to
>find them.

what exactly IS that path structure that dselect expects?  I would like to
know the answer to this for two different scenarios: 

1) Long (i.e. original) filenames on a Linux-native (ext2fs) file system;

2) Short (msdos) filenames on an msdos partition.

Thanks in advance,

renald

(Sorry Dale, I sent my first copy of this to your address because that's
what my editor puts in automatically, and I forgot to change it before sending).


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You are probably way ahead of me but I remember getting that error
under 2 conditions (I think).
1.  If the geometry of the disk didn't match its real geometry or the
	boot partition went past the 1024 sector (although
	it is supposedly possible to fake out the boot proms according
	to a little pamphlet by Matt Welsh that came with the old
	Infomagic CD set.)
2.  If I installed a new vmlinuz without rerunning lilo.

Good Luck,
Nathan


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Eric Delaunay writes:
>   I have upgraded my Debian system using latex_2e-7 and mflib_1.0-8 as
> described in an earlier message I read from this mailing list.
> However, when I tried to use T1 font encoding, I got a lot of errors
> regarding font availability.

Yes, that's because the dc fonts are way too old. The way I hear it Erick is
working on new release but there are copyright problems, so it may take a
while.

I did manually upgrade mfbasfnt and put it on
ftp://feivel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/debian.local/binary-i386/local/mfbasfnt-1.0-3.deb   

Please try this and tell us if it works. It did for me.

Michael

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meskes@debian.org                |  ___/ / __/ /__  __/\__, /  __/ /  (__  )
Use Debian Linux!                | /____/_/      /_/  /____/\___/_/  /____/


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> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Eric Delaunay wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >   I would avoid upgrade of few packages when I upgrade my system from a
> > new distribution.
> 
> The concept you're looking for is 'Hold'. Just move the highlight to the
> packages you don't want upgraded and press 'H' to put them on hold. When
> you do want to upgrade them, just 'unhold' them by pressing the 'G' key.
> 
> Here are the relevant lines from the 'Select' help screen of dselect:
> 
> Mark packages for later processing:
>  +, Insert  install or upgrade      =, H  hold in present state
>  -, Delete  remove                  :, G  unhold: upgrade or leave uninstalled
>  _          remove & purge config                            
> 
>   Christian

In fact, it's in help page ;)
But I didn't saw it a while ago then used dpkg directly for months.
Yes, I should read help pages carefuly before posting so trivial query :-(
I'll go through dselect at next upgrade :-)
Thanks for your reply.

-- 
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 delaunay@lix.polytechnique.fr | En les supprimant." Henri Jeanson (1900-1970)


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Now I have found bootdisk (.../buzz-updates/disks-i386/special-
kernels/boot/boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin) from wich I can boot. That's 
good, but now new problems has raised. After ``booting/rooting'' I 
tried to install the basedisks. While doing that the installation 
process sometimes stops telling that one of the basedisks (it's 
random witch one) is bad, but they are not, they are new and I have 
checked them with more disk utilities. Mustly I can read all the 
disks correctly, but when time comes to extracting the files new 
problems shows up. Each time when extracting the files each time I 
most likely get a new error. Typical I get a message somthing like:

general protection : 0000
CPU : 0
EIP : 0010:[<00118be4>]
EFLAGS : 00010206
.
.
.
several register, stack, ... dumps
.
.
.
Segmentation fault

One time I was actually lucky installing the basesystem. But (again) 
then a new problem showed up. I copied some *.gz files to my computer 
and then tried gzip's integrity test (on the file )

gzip -tv filename.gz   (file on the computer)

and sometimes I am told that the same file is OK and sometimes not 
(more or less random). But what is much worse is that I often get one 
of the ``Ooops'' and dumps like a I have just mentioned.

What I am telling is that something acts unstable and that's what I 
would like to ask some of the experts out there about. Is it

- Because of some bugs in the rather new kernel version or some of 
  the modules (aic7xxx or some other), or is it
  
- Because of my hardware (jumper settings, BIOS settings, etc) or 
  whatever one can imagine. Is there som thing special one should be 
  aware of installing on a PC machine with an adaptec 2842 host 
  adapter.

I am ready to give more details about my everything. I can tell that 
DOS (5.0 or 6.2) is running fine on my machine, but on the other side 
a real mode system as DOS does not require much of the host adapter.



Niels Bo Johansen


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I am to in this situation: waiting for the CD for 4 weeks. I can't
have any response from Simon Shapiro (I-Connect) on my order since 2
weeks so I am considering to ftp the files and master a CD for my use.

bye, Daniel


--
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> 1. Have you installed the wg-locale (or something like that) package? You
> need to if you want to use locales.

Perhaps this package needs higher priority.

> 2. Even then, I doubt 'de' is a valid locale name. Try 'de_DE' (or any
> other one of the de_* locales that come with wg15-locale.deb

de should be valid.

Erick


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Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
> 
> > But my mouse is a normal, MouseSystems compatible, serial mouse.
> > Surely I shouldn't have to use the -R option?  I didn't have to under
> > slackware.
> >
> I suspect that slackware runs the daemon with the -R option and sets up X
> to use /dev/gpmdata. Try it ;-)
> 
> Dwarf
> 

No, Slackware doesn't either.  In fact the "-R" option is NOT needed for
most systems to get gpm and X to happily share the mouse.  My system at
home, several friends' systems and many systems at work all work fine
without the "-R" option.  However, "-R" does seem to be needed for bus
mice and in some cases it seems to be needed even for serial mice.  I
don't know what the common denominator is for these cases but since I've
seen a couple, I'd sure like to know.

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In the installation step that installs the kernel I get an error: :error
in archive format". I've tried a couple of different floppies, downloaded
a new boot bin, and even tried loading a kernel image. I'm beginning to 
think the problem is in one of the base disks, but which one?  If I shell
out and look at how far the installation of the kernel got, it is about 
337,000 bytes or so. I am running and trying to load kernel 2.0.5.5 (PCI
NCR3c810).

Any clues?

Thanks, Steve Millard


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I ordered my cd July 26, a little over a week ago, and I still haven't
received it either. I wish they wouldn't post that they can ship in
2-3 days if they can't. That's very frustrating, I've preped my system
and all I'm waiting for is the distribution.

I'm going to call and tell them if I don't receive it this week I'm
canceling my order.

	-Josh Stockwell


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1. How do I set up a boot so I can boot Debian or Win95? 
 Now I have to use a boot disk to get debian to boot...

2. How do I change the diplay mode in XF86 from 8bit to 16bit
color? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM w/ 2MB and use 
16bit color in win95 so there shouldn't be any probs to get
it in X too..


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> Return-Path: kubla
> Received: (from kubla@localhost) by birke.netz.klinik.uni-mainz.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12902 for kubla; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:02:57 +0200
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> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to access the Virtual Console's scrollback buffer, for example
> to save the screen to a text file? Perhaps something in /proc?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Thats what /dev/vcs* is for. Look at the kernel Documentation (aka Source)
for further information ... :(

Yours,
  Dominik Kubla


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Look at my SSLeay Package (not yet fully functional) at

   ftp://ftp.uni-mainz.de/pub/Linux/debian-local/

It contains the whole familiy of des commands. (BTW. This is the first
Debian package to actually use /opt, so make sure your root partition has
enought free space before installing it or make a symlink /opt -> /usr/opt)

Yours,
  Dominik Kubla


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Actually it looks like your root device isn't set up properly .. are you
using a boot disk .. if you are check out the rdev command it enables you
to set your root partition.  If it is not set correctly then you will get
the following error.

Michael

> 
> Hi,
> 
> >     VFS: Cannot open root device 03:02
> 
> your IDE driver is missing or can't find the disk. Is there any lines about
> IDE disks on the screen?
> 
> Greetings
> Bernd
> 
> 


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shutdown -h now

console-message:
"start-stop-daemon:warning: failed to kill 218: No such process"

Indeed there is no PID 218. BTW the pid-number changes with every
shutdown.
I think it has something to do with X Windows because I have another
debian-system without X Windows installed - and I don't get this message.

Which script invokes this message? (I use sysklogd 1.3-8) for
message-logging and start debian with loadlin.

Please include my personal email-adress in your r.

Cheerio, Michael.

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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Daniel ANDRE wrote:

> I am to in this situation: waiting for the CD for 4 weeks. I can't
> have any response from Simon Shapiro (I-Connect) on my order since 2
> weeks so I am considering to ftp the files and master a CD for my use.

For what it's worth, I'm in Canada and it took about 2 weeks to receive
my CD from Simon.  

Best regards,

                                   Nick

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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, James D. Freels wrote:

> I get the following error messages every time perl starts up
> on my debian-linux machines (perl and return with do it!)
> This is the current perl-5.003 release.  Any idea how I can
> rid my system of this problem?  (The perl scripts all run 
> fine, I am not that familiar with perl).
> 
> warning: setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "") failed.
> warning: LC_ALL = "(null)", LC_CTYPE = "(null)", LANG = "de",
> warning: falling back to the "C" locale.
> 
Try perl_5.003-2.deb from the updates directory.

Dwarf

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  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
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Guys... saw this in linux-ppp mailing list... Has this patch been 
incorporated into the debian pppd??

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This is a patch which removes an error when using Linux as a server
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> You get more then requested :-). I'm including the whole debug trace.
> It's MIME encoded to preserve formatting.

Oops, looks like the NAK from Trumpet was perfectly OK, and the bug is
in pppd.  This is something I fixed a little while ago in ppp-2.3,
which is only in alpha release as yet, and its linux port needs some
more work.  So I've tried to isolate the necessary changes to
pppd/lcp.c and put them into the ppp-2.2.0f source.  I've included the
patch below.  Let me know if it works.

Paul.

--- lcp.c.orig	Wed Dec 27 13:25:51 1995
+++ lcp.c	Wed Jul 24 10:30:17 1996
@@ -792,19 +792,22 @@
      */
     if ((go->neg_chap || go->neg_upap)
 	&& len >= CILEN_SHORT
-	&& p[0] == CI_AUTHTYPE && p[1] >= CILEN_SHORT) {
+	&& p[0] == CI_AUTHTYPE && p[1] >= CILEN_SHORT && p[1] <= len) {
 	cilen = p[1];
+	len -= cilen;
+	no.neg_chap = go->neg_chap;
+	no.neg_upap = go->neg_upap;
 	INCPTR(2, p);
         GETSHORT(cishort, p);
 	if (cishort == PPP_PAP && cilen == CILEN_SHORT) {
 	    /*
-	     * If they are asking for PAP, then they don't want to do CHAP.
+	     * If we were asking for CHAP, they obviously don't want to do it.
 	     * If we weren't asking for CHAP, then we were asking for PAP,
 	     * in which case this Nak is bad.
 	     */
 	    if (!go->neg_chap)
 		goto bad;
-	    go->neg_chap = 0;
+	    try.neg_chap = 0;
 
 	} else if (cishort == PPP_CHAP && cilen == CILEN_CHAP) {
 	    GETCHAR(cichar, p);
@@ -822,7 +825,7 @@
 		/*
 		 * Stop asking for PAP if we were asking for it.
 		 */
-		go->neg_upap = 0;
+		try.neg_upap = 0;
 	    }
 
 	} else {
@@ -831,25 +834,14 @@
 	     * Stop asking for what we were asking for.
 	     */
 	    if (go->neg_chap)
-		go->neg_chap = 0;
+		try.neg_chap = 0;
 	    else
-		go->neg_upap = 0;
+		try.neg_upap = 0;
 	    p += cilen - CILEN_SHORT;
 	}
     }
 
     /*
-     * Peer shouldn't send Nak for protocol compression or
-     * address/control compression requests; they should send
-     * a Reject instead.  If they send a Nak, treat it as a Reject.
-     */
-    if (!go->neg_chap ){
-	NAKCISHORT(CI_AUTHTYPE, neg_upap,
-		   try.neg_upap = 0;
-		   );
-    }
-
-    /*
      * If they can't cope with our link quality protocol, we'll have
      * to stop asking for LQR.  We haven't got any other protocol.
      * If they Nak the reporting period, take their value XXX ?
@@ -869,6 +861,11 @@
 	      looped_back = 1;
 	      );
 
+    /*
+     * Peer shouldn't send Nak for protocol compression or
+     * address/control compression requests; they should send
+     * a Reject instead.  If they send a Nak, treat it as a Reject.
+     */
     NAKCIVOID(CI_PCOMPRESSION, neg_pcompression,
 	      try.neg_pcompression = 0;
 	      );
@@ -895,7 +892,7 @@
     while (len > CILEN_VOID) {
 	GETCHAR(citype, p);
 	GETCHAR(cilen, p);
-	if ((len -= cilen) < 0)
+	if (cilen < CILEN_VOID || (len -= cilen) < 0)
 	    goto bad;
 	next = p + cilen - 2;
 
@@ -903,6 +900,9 @@
 	case CI_MRU:
 	    if (go->neg_mru || no.neg_mru || cilen != CILEN_SHORT)
 		goto bad;
+	    GETSHORT(cishort, p);
+	    if (cishort < DEFMRU)
+		try.mru = cishort;
 	    break;
 	case CI_ASYNCMAP:
 	    if (go->neg_asyncmap || no.neg_asyncmap || cilen != CILEN_LONG)
@@ -1141,6 +1141,7 @@
 	    orc = CONFREJ;		/* Reject bad CI */
 	    cilen = l;			/* Reject till end of packet */
 	    l = 0;			/* Don't loop again */
+	    citype = 0;
 	    goto endswitch;
 	}
 	GETCHAR(citype, p);		/* Parse CI type */


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I took the advice of a couple of individuals:

(1) installed wg15_locale_1-1

(2) already had perl_5.003-2 installed

This did not fix the problem below.  I have verified that the
/usr/share/locale and /usr/share/nls directories are present.

I think there may be something missing in the configuration of either
perl or wg15_locale.  Just say the word, and I'd be glad to issue a
new bug report...

>I get the following error messages every time perl starts up
>on my debian-linux machines (perl and return with do it!)
>This is the current perl-5.003 release.  Any idea how I can
>rid my system of this problem?  (The perl scripts all run 
>fine, I am not that familiar with perl).

>warning: setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "") failed.
>warning: LC_ALL = "(null)", LC_CTYPE = "(null)", LANG = "de",
>warning: falling back to the "C" locale.

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I borrowed a friends monthly Pacifix Hitech CDROM to install Debian.  I
created all the disks and started the install.  I had to redo each of
the base disks at least once because of errors.  Then when installing
the kernel it gives me a crc error with gzip.  The system will boot from
the custom boot disk but I can't mount the CD to continue installation,
because it says the kernel does not support iso9660 which I thought was
rather strange.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

Tim Gray


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Sounds to me like you might have unseated one of the cards, most
likely SCSI, or loosened a SCSI cable.  You might want to check that.

Also make sure all your termination switches (if any) are right.

--
Rob


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I'm having a lot of trouble getting Debian on a 486 box.  It's a
pretty generic machine, with an  IDE hard drive & cdrom, AMD 486 CPU
on a motherboard with the Opti chipset.  Special kernel 0 doesn't get
anywhere at all.  THe standard kernel gets to this point:

Loading.....
Uncompressing Linux....

invalid compressed format (err=1)

-- System Halted

I'm stuck.  Any ideas?

thanks,

Steven Gaarder                              Network and Systems Administrator
gaarder@actech.com                          A C Technology, Ithaca, N.Y., USA


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Joshua Stockwell wrote:

> 
> I ordered my cd July 26, a little over a week ago, and I still haven't
> received it either. I wish they wouldn't post that they can ship in
> 2-3 days if they can't. That's very frustrating, I've preped my system
> and all I'm waiting for is the distribution.
> 
> I'm going to call and tell them if I don't receive it this week I'm
> canceling my order.
> 

I'm sorry to but in here, but I feel I must comment.

If you are impatient after only waiting a week (or three in the case of
the Israel order) you need to kick back and chill out a bit. Joshua in
particular needs to get a grip. I ship CDs both inside and outside the US
and have often had shippments take more than a week inside the US. Outside
the US, an AirMail posting from New Zealand took almost 4 weeks to get
here, and my AirMail deliverys to Europe take a good solid 3 weeks. So, be
patient and don't lay all the blame on Simon.

Technically, I am in "competition" with I-connect (and the rest of the
world) for CD sales, but (as far as I know) Simon and I are friends and
associates, and I must say that I know Simon to be honest and trustworthy,
and as dedicated a person as I have know in this group. Those who have
complained about the poor service, will, I hope, spread the responsibility
for the delays more evenly on the rest of the people that are in your
"critical path" and not heap it all on one person, who is doing his best
to provide service.

Soapbox mode off,

Dwarf

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Joshua,

I too had a similar problem.  My order from i-Connect was
three weeks late, but I called Simon and he explained the
problems he had and apologized.  He also gave me a new ship
date another week later, which was acceptable.  I would have
liked to have gotten my CD on time too, but sometimes these
things happen.  I know from dealing with Sun Microsystems
that these things happen to everyone and not just i-Connect.

I think that as long as Simon is keeping his customers
properly informed, and not BS'ing us, we should have a
little patience in understanding his situation.  I've been
waiting for Sparc Ultra 2's from Sun for two months, but
instead of getting upset, I simply need to be informed of
the current ship status.  Simon has been honest and up front
with me, so I have nothing bad to say.  If i-Connect can't
meet your needs though, perhaps you should look at other
options.  I simply don't think bashing Simon here is going
to help matters.  JMHO.  :-)

I believe Dale and Bruce are also selling CD's, no?  Maybe
you should see what their lead times are and see if they can
meet your needs.  I can tell you that after finally getting
my Debian CD, it was well worth the wait.

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Joshua Stockwell wrote:

> 
> I ordered my cd July 26, a little over a week ago, and I still haven't
> received it either. I wish they wouldn't post that they can ship in
> 2-3 days if they can't. That's very frustrating, I've preped my system
> and all I'm waiting for is the distribution.
> 
> I'm going to call and tell them if I don't receive it this week I'm
> canceling my order.
> 
> 	-Josh Stockwell
> 

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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>1. How do I set up a boot so I can boot Debian or Win95? 
> Now I have to use a boot disk to get debian to boot...

I believe there's a command line linux loader you can use to boot linux. 
I suppose the easiest thing to do would be set a batch file to present 
you a menu and allow a selection of either 95 or linux. I can't remember
the name of the command line loader though, I use LILO on a machine that
runs just Linux.

>2. How do I change the diplay mode in XF86 from 8bit to 16bit
>color? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM w/ 2MB and use 
>16bit color in win95 so there shouldn't be any probs to get
>it in X too..

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is a problem with the
Diamond card. If memory serves me well, Diamond does not publicize code
to drive their cards without signing a non-disclosure agreement. Since 
Linux includes all source code under GNU, this would break the NDA and 
cause all sortsa trouble. 

Good luck with it, and like I mentioned, I think what I just said is 
accurate, but check me on this one, I may be thinking about a different
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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, llucius wrote:

> Make sure you have a domainname set or apply patch found in bug #3526.

Hmm #3526 isn't on the UK bugs site.

Dermot

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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Craig Sanders wrote:

> hylafax would be great!


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	Now, to explain the question, since I can't understand the 
Subject: line and I wrote it myself...

	I've got approximately 50 machines I need to build.  My best 
option for the initial system build, unless I've missed something, would 
be to run deselect on one machine, then take a deselect-generated file 
containing my selections and exporting that file to all the other 
machines, so I can just start up dselect and choose "Install" without 
having to go through "Select" on each.
	How can I accomplish this?  Which file(s) do I need to export in 
order to make this happen?  And, is there a better way to achieve the 
same results?

	Now, a meta-issue.  I've been extremely pleased with the Debian 
distribution, as well as the support I've received from this list.  
Thanks, all!  


David winters+@pitt.edu aka winters+@cs.cmu.edu
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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Craig Sanders wrote:

> hylafax would be great!

Started work on it last night - just a bit confused with libgr/libgr-dev 
versus libtiff3/libtiff3-dev/zlib1 needed for building it.

> > - nocol				Network monitoring package
> 
> that sounds interesting.  where can i find information on what exactly it
> does?

Have a look at ftp.navya.com in /pub/vikas

> > - gated				(for internal use - Gated have strict
> > 				redistribution policies!)
> 
> if you do create a package for this, could you distribute your debian.*
> files? maybe in a package which contained just the debian.rules etc,
> and either a pointer to where to get the source from, or a script to
> fetch the source...it would be great if it were possible to make the
> build/install process as simple as:

Sounds fine..........just have to find out in which linux distrib/source
/usr/include/netinet/ip_var.h lives as gated needs it.

Dermot


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When I try to use ftp I get a message "ftp: can't find library 'librl.so.2'"
I also am not able to find this library any of the places I looked.

Thanks in advance for any help finding this library.

Bob



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>> I am to in this situation: waiting for the CD for 4 weeks. I can't
>> have any response from Simon Shapiro (I-Connect) on my order since 2
>> weeks so I am considering to ftp the files and master a CD for my use.
> For what it's worth, I'm in Canada and it took about 2 weeks to receive
> my CD from Simon.  

Europe, three weeks.  Still waiting for a bill though (don't know if the
credit card has been credited yet).  Never got a receipt of order
confirmation of any kind...

(the CD is fine though :)



	Niels


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> 
> I ordered my cd July 26 and I still haven't received it. I'm not to
> anxious yet, but I've been seeing quite a few postings on debian mailing
> lists reporting that it took four to five weeks. If you're experiencing
> some sort of problem it would be appreciated if you would send out a
> notification to your customers that it will be late and with a reason.
> Please remember that one of the reasons I choose to order from you was
> becuase you advertised that you would ship within 3 days.
> 
> 	Sincerely,
> 
> 		Josh Stockwell
> 
> 
   Hello Josh Stockwell,

	 Our records show we shipped your CD 31 July.
	 You should be receiving it any day.
	 Thanks for your order and your comments--yes, we have
	 tended to be a little disorganized as we've been getting
	 this process up and running.

	 Sincerely,

	 Ann
	 ann@i-connect.net


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	-Josh Stockwell


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, llucius wrote:
> 
> > Make sure you have a domainname set or apply patch found in bug #3526.
> 
> Hmm #3526 isn't on the UK bugs site.
> 
I might have gotten the # wrong, but the latest sysklogd (1.3-10) has the 
patch applied.  (It's still in incoming.)

Leland

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Thanks to all that helped me out on this one. Once I entered the BIOS disk parameters it worked great.

Al Youngwerth
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I also just purged dpkg-ftp accidentally but I can't find it anywhere! Is dpkg-ftp only in the base package included on the boot floppies?

Al Youngwerth
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I posted earlier that my 2.0.0 kernel, using aic7xxx, corrupted my
superblock, whereas my previous 1.2.13 kernel (aha274x) didn't.

On the advice of Dan Eischen, I got linux kernel 2.0.7 plus a patch
for aic7xxx.  I compiled the patched kernel, installed it, and now I
can reboot with impunity.  The superblock stays clean.  Here's where I
got the source and patch:

ftp.teleport.com:/pub/users/deang/Linux/aic7xxx/Experiment/

I still need to try some device-stressing stuff (big tars to and from
floppies, for example) to see whether the fix holds up.  But so far,
so good.

Other correspondents suggested other fixes which I haven't tried out:

1.	Downgrade to kernel 1.3.97
2.	Get a firmware revision from Conner (I think this may apply
	only to the 1060S, my disk is a 1080S).
3.	One correspondent had the same problem, but it only occurred
	with reboots, not halts.  They were able to fix the superblock
	with an emergency floppy using an alternate superblock (8193,
	for example).

Many thanks to the following:
=============================

Dan Eischen
Holger Kemper
Fredrik Lundholm
Allan K. Smith
Bernd Melchers

(I apologize if I forgot anybody).


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On Tue, 06 Aug 1996 15:42:37 +0200 Michael Gaertner 
(gaertnem@ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote:
> shutdown -h now
> 
> console-message:
> "start-stop-daemon:warning: failed to kill 218: No such process"
> 
> Indeed there is no PID 218. BTW the pid-number changes with every
> shutdown.
> I think it has something to do with X Windows because I have another
> debian-system without X Windows installed - and I don't get this message.

I have the same minor problem, and it's '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' which causes the trouble. From what I've found, start-stop-daemon will kill the process tree of the daemon to stop. In case of xdm, it will try to kill xdm first, then X.
But, xdm kills X too when it's about to shutdown. The message appears when xdm kills X before start-stop-daemon. Sometimes, no message appears, and I assume that happens when start-stop-daemon kills X before xdm.

I have no fix yet. (It's only a minor annoyance)

Phil.



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I'm quite happy with i-Connect. My CD arrived in less than one week. They probably have problems right now, or are overwhelmed with orders :-)

Phil.



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I'm an experienced linux user (I've been using slackware).

Is there any instructions  on having a ramdisk based filesystem (using loadlin's
initrd=<> option?)

I don't want to have to make floppies...

I should be able to run everything off a cdrom from dos, booting loadlin...


marty


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  In my situation, after two weeks I sent a query and got a prompt
  reply that the current 2.0.0 version of the kernel had some known
  bugs and they had been waiting for a better version and that they
  were "shipping the CD today."  It arrived two days later.  This was
  a few weeks ago.

  That they held my order until they had a good kernel was reasonable
  to me.  My suggestion to I-Connect is that they add expected
  shipping dates to sites throughout the world to their Web page if
  they haven't already done so, but more importantly, notify the
  customer via email if they cannot ship immediately.

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>   ph: +1-415-854-1857  fax: +1-415-854-3195
Say it with MIME.  Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs.
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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Tim Gray wrote:

> I borrowed a friends monthly Pacifix Hitech CDROM to install Debian.  I
> created all the disks and started the install.  I had to redo each of
> the base disks at least once because of errors.  Then when installing
> the kernel it gives me a crc error with gzip.  The system will boot from
> the custom boot disk but I can't mount the CD to continue installation,
> because it says the kernel does not support iso9660 which I thought was
> rather strange.  Any ideas?  Thanks.
> 
If memory serves, the support is as a module (unless you built your own
kernel) so you will need to uncomment the auto line in /etc/modules so
that kerneld can load it. You will also need the controler driver loaded
before the "no support" message will go away (and your CD will hopefully
work)

Let me know if this isn't it,

Dwarf

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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dan Bergman wrote:

> 1. How do I set up a boot so I can boot Debian or Win95? 
>  Now I have to use a boot disk to get debian to boot...

Check out loadlin in the tools path. You will need to set up config.sys
with a menu, so you can choose between Linux and Win95. Then set up
autoexec.bat to run loadlin, or win95 depending on your selection from the
menu. Check with me if you need more details.

> 
> 2. How do I change the diplay mode in XF86 from 8bit to 16bit
> color? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM w/ 2MB and use 
> 16bit color in win95 so there shouldn't be any probs to get
> it in X too..
> 
I hesitate to say anything here, as my knowledge may be dated or just
plain incorrect. It is my understanding that the Diamond Stealth cards are
not supported due to NDAs being required by Diamond. If this has changed,
someone please correct me ;-)

Luck,

Dwarf

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> without the "-R" option.  However, "-R" does seem to be needed for bus
> mice and in some cases it seems to be needed even for serial mice.  I

It *used* to be needed for busmice and in particular ps2 mice.
However, many of the busmouse drivers (and definitely the ps2 mouse
driver) were fixed to permit multiple opens during 1.3, so -R is not
needed *any more* for most if not all of the cases it was used for
previously.


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Maybe I am missing the obvious, but would someone please tell me 
where to find instructions on installing packages?

I see dpkg and dselect mentioned, but when I use these commands, 
I feel that I am lost....

I do not have a distribution cd, nor do I want to purchase another 
set of disks that wil be outdated in a year....

I have downloaded some packages, do I keep them in a directory
system similar to what is on the ftp server, or do I put them all
in one directory?

When I start dselect, it asks me where certain things are , and 
I actually have very little idea what they are referring to..

Does the file packages need to be on my system?
Where?
.gz or ascii?

I would like to use the dpkg-ftp, but I *think* that I need to 
install/configure the modem first...

I don't need each question awnsered individually if there are 
instructions (other than install.html) on this matter.

thank you, I am sure there are others with these questions..

mike cotherman
mjcother@ij.net


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Tim O'Brien wrote:
 
> >2. How do I change the diplay mode in XF86 from 8bit to 16bit
> >color? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM w/ 2MB and use 
> >16bit color in win95 so there shouldn't be any probs to get
> >it in X too..
> 
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is a problem with the
> Diamond card. If memory serves me well, Diamond does not publicize code
> to drive their cards without signing a non-disclosure agreement. Since 
> Linux includes all source code under GNU, this would break the NDA and 
> cause all sortsa trouble. 
> 
> Good luck with it, and like I mentioned, I think what I just said is 
> accurate, but check me on this one, I may be thinking about a different
> video card. 
> 
> Tim
> 
That's the way it used to be, but diamond has become much more friendly 
to the linux community and they don't force the xfree group to sign the 
non disclosure aggrements anymore.

Shaya Potter
spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil


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Hi,

During installation I was prompted to select some modules to
install.

I wanted nfs but it replied

	nfs_mknod undefined
	nfs_sillyrename_create undefined
	nfs_create undefined undefined
	nfs_mkdir undefined undefined
	nfs_lookup_cache undefined undefined
	nfs_rename undefined undefined
	nfs_lookup undefined undefined
	nfs_nfs_rmdir undefined undefined
	nfs_link undefined
	nfs_refresh_inode undefined
	nfs_symlink undefined
	nfs_unlink undefined
	Loading failed ! The module symbols 
	(from linux-2.0.6) don't match your linux-2.0.6
	Installation failed

For the internet protocol drivers it said:
	Can't locate module console

And for my ne2000 card:
	ne.c : Module autoprobing not allowed
	append "io=0xNNN" values

	(Howabout pointer to Ethernet Howto in Installation doc
	where values to try above can be found)

I also tried (with identical results):
	modprobe -t fs nfs.o


Fortunatly, can still use computer since didn't overwrite
previous system.  However, can't install Debian since cannot
mount the nfs drive where distribution will be kept.

Have read the Module-Howto and related Docs but can't find 
a solution to these problems.  I fed the first line of nfs 
error message to dejanews using 200,000 linux messages and it 
found nothing !  It looks simple, since the
messges don't seem cryptic, but what do I know ...

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment,
Jay


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I am installing Debian 1.1.1 on a generic clone with an AMD 486 on an
Opti-based motherboard.  If I have the internal cache enabled in setup,
I get the error "invalid compressed format" after the "uncompressing
Linux" message.  If I disable the cache, it boots fine.  It boots ok
from the hard drive either way.  Anyone know what is going on?

thanks,

Steven Gaarder                              Network and Systems Administrator
gaarder@actech.com                          A C Technology, Ithaca, N.Y., USA


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hi,

this is a follow-up to my previous message:

> Just after having installed Debian 1.1.3 from buzz-fixed/1996_07_14
> I was
> using tar to copy debian packages on the disk, more precisely:
>
> tar -xvMf /dev/fd0
>
> (they are multi-volume files).
> Doing this I get "segmentation fault".
>
> I've tried with different volume sets (I've done one for each
> section, base, admin, devel .... etc) and I get inconsistent results. Some
> stops at the very first disk and some after that.
>
> Moreover dropping the -M or -v or both option (that of course
> results
> in a incomplete backup) works for the volume sets that stops at the
> first disk.
>

I've done more experiments. I created a multi-volume archive by using
tar -cvMf.  Then extracting the files with

tar -xMf 

gives: IOT trap/Abort (core dumped)
 
While extracting with tar -xvMf gives only segmentation fault.

What bothers me is that I've used tar before unpaching multi-volume
archives and worked fine. However I'm realizing now that before I was
creating the archive with tar 1.11.2 and unpacking with tar 1.11.8.
Right now I can reproduce the error with archives created with 1.11.8
and works fine with archives created with version 1.11.2.
 
Also I've used tar from slackware 3.0 without any problem and now I
guess it was not version 1.11.8.

Does anybody know what this IOT trap/Abort message is all about?
Is someone willing to repeat this simple experiment (create/extract)
to confirm (or not) that this is a bug with this version of tar?
Where do I get older versions of tar?

Lawrence Chim <ychim@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au>, answering to my first
post wrote:

> you forgot to mount your floppy drive first

I don't quite understand this. I thought tar creates disks with raw
data on them, so how should I mount the floppy drive if there is no
filesystem built on it?
 
Thanks a lot for any help!!

-------------------------------------------
Guglielmo Rabbiolo (rabbio@math.purdue.edu)
Mathematics Department
Purdue University, W Lafayette IN
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>When I try to use ftp I get a message "ftp: can't find library 'librl.so.2'"
>I also am not able to find this library any of the places I looked.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help finding this library.
>
>Bob

        Hmmm... I did a 'find / -name librl.so.2' on my system and I found
no such library... weird!  Would you like to double check the library name
again just in case.
One more thing, I did happen to have 'librle.so.1' I don't know if that
helps you or not.

                        Good luck
                                               Mike... 





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>When installing gpm, I set my mouse device to /dev/ttys0... Then, I =
>pointed everything else that wanted a mouse device to /dev/mouse.  =

What is the difference between

/dev/ttys1, /dev/cua1 and /dev/mouse (a soft link)

and when should each be used?

Thanks,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)



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Dermot Bradley <bradley@mourne.gpl.net> writes:

> Started work on it last night - just a bit confused with libgr/libgr-dev 
> versus libtiff3/libtiff3-dev/zlib1 needed for building it.

libgr is dead.  Use the individual libs.

--
Rob


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I seem to have a similar problem with dselect/dpkg, but not with the 
dpkg-ftp option (haven't gotten that far yet) 

The dselect package has given me problems from the first. I made a 
few errors in my 1st attempt at the CDRom install, but managed to get 
most of the selected packages unpacked & installed.  Where dselect 
hung was on the kernel-source/kernel-headers packages. (where is 
local/binary ??) 

I have tried to remove these packages, but upon running either 
dselect or dpkg I get something along the lines of "Package is in an 
unstable/condititon please re-install before attempting to remove"

As I do not clearly understand the package system yet, I'm afraid to 
simply delete the packages and mess up dpkg's database.  I can't 
install the package, can't re-install the package, and dselect/dpgk 
won't remove it!

Coming from the SlackWare Distribution, I learned how to compile &
install programs using make, so there was no problem using the code 
to create a kernel & boot floppy, which I now use to bring up the 
system.  There are some problems with this too, but that will wait 
for another time.

Can anyone help?



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Oh Debian L'ers,

I've managed to get myself in a catch-22 kind of dilemma.  In an effort
to get a working 2.0.0 kernel with the proper options to support IP
masquerading, somehow or other both my kernel-image and kernel-source
packages have gotten to a state where I'm stuck fast!  I cannot
successfully build a kernel at this point, and I can't remove or reinstall 
either of the packages.  Attempting to reinstall results in errors 
during the prerem or postrem scripts for both the source and image
package.  Attempting to remove, errors with a recommendation to reinstall
(which fails of course!--hence the dilemma) before attempting to remove!
I am stuck in that proverbial hard place.............

Is there some way to force dpkg to reinstall (or remove) in spite of the
error it encounters attempting to remove the older package first?  Or is
there some reasonable way to fake it out by creating the .deb files in
some magic place where the remove will work, for example, or even by 
copying them from the CD to an appropriate place (I do have the I-Connect
CD cut on 6_16)?

I haven't been successful attempting to use dpkg -i either, but that could
be me not getting the syntax correct perhaps.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thanks.

Stuck fast....

Paul



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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dan Bergman wrote:
> 
> > 1. How do I set up a boot so I can boot Debian or Win95? 
> >  Now I have to use a boot disk to get debian to boot...
> 
> Check out loadlin in the tools path. You will need to set up config.sys
> with a menu, so you can choose between Linux and Win95. Then set up
> autoexec.bat to run loadlin, or win95 depending on your selection from the
> menu. Check with me if you need more details.
> 
> > 
> > 2. How do I change the diplay mode in XF86 from 8bit to 16bit
> > color? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM w/ 2MB and use 
> > 16bit color in win95 so there shouldn't be any probs to get
> > it in X too..
> > 
> I hesitate to say anything here, as my knowledge may be dated or just
> plain incorrect. It is my understanding that the Diamond Stealth cards are
> not supported due to NDAs being required by Diamond. If this has changed,
> someone please correct me ;-)

Diamond did cooperate, and most of the Stealth cards are supported.  I use
Stealth 64's on all my linux PC's and they work under the accelerated S3
server.

To choose 16 bit color, you can invoke: startx -- -bpp 16.  The '--' prevents
the startx front end from evaluating the -bpp option so it gets passed to
X.

Syrus.


----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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>  Mark> Is there any way for mirror to discern timezone differences and
>  Mark> adjust times accordingly?  If the answer is no, then surely we should
>  Mark> ask all debian mirrors not to alter time stamps?
>
>We could try to persuade _all_ mirrors to use
>	use_timelocal=false

This suggestions seems very sensible.  Is there an official way to
persuade?

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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Hi,

I have a friend who I am trying to help install debian 1.1.  He has an
ET4000/W32p graphics card.  I installed the appropriate server, went
through the xbase-configure program to create an XF86Config file, and
then ran "X -probeonly 2> out.txt" to try and get a clock line.  The
system just hung and I had to do a Ctr-Alt-Del to get out.

I couldn't work out what the problem was.  Any ideas?  I include the
out.txt file below.

Thanks,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)




XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6001)
Operating System: Linux
Configured drivers:
  ET4000W32: accelerated server for ET4000W32 graphics adaptors
(Patchlevel 0):
      et4000w32, et4000w32i, et4000w32p_rev_a, et4000w32i_rev_b,
      et4000w32i_rev_c, et4000w32p_rev_b, et4000w32p_rev_c,
      et4000w32p_rev_d
(using VT number 7)

XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/cua1, baudrate: 1200
(**) ET4000W32: Graphics device ID: "Hashem's Video Card"
 There are 11 lines left (71%). Press <space> for more, or 'i' to
return.
Message 4/476  From Hashem Najafi
  Page 2

(**) ET4000W32: Graphics device ID: "Hashem's Video Card"
(**) ET4000W32: Monitor ID: "Hashem's Monitor"
(--) ET4000W32: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz.
Deleted.
(--) ET4000W32: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz.
Deleted.
(--) ET4000W32: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz.
Deleted.
Warning: The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" does not
exist.
         Entry deleted from font path.
Warning: The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" does not
exist.
         Entry deleted from font path.
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75
dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
(--) ET4000W32: ET4000: Initial hibit state: low


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Al Youngwerth <alberty@apexxtech.com> writes:

> I also just purged dpkg-ftp accidentally but I can't find it
> anywhere! Is dpkg-ftp only in the base package included on the boot
> floppies?

look in project/experimental.

Guy: could you move dpkg-ftp into unstable, this would avoid these
problems.

Andy.


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I personally find dselect very confusing.  I install all packages
using just dpkg (dselect is a front-end to dpkg). It is actually very
easy.  The only thing that is more difficult is in manually dealing
with dependencies between packages.

The simplest thing to do is to identify any packages you want, e.g.,
minicom, ppp, etc. Download your selected packages from any Debian
archive (best to get them from the stable distribution).  For the two
I mention above, this would be:

	stable/binary-i386/comm/minicom_1.75-1.deb
	stable/binary-i386/net/ppp_2.2.0f-2.deb

Once you have them on your Linux box you should check what other
packages they depend on:

	$ dpkg --info minicom_1.75-1.deb

This lists various things about the package.  Look for a line that
begins with "Depends: "

You can do a "dpkg --list" to see if you have all of the required
packages.

If so, then simply install the new package:

	$ dpkg --install minicom_1.75-1.deb

This actually unpacks the package and then configures the package.

If you don't like the package you can simply remove it with:

	$ dpkg --purge minicom

It removes all files that were installed and undoes appropriate
configurations.

Hope this helps.

(My Linux box is home at present so I'm working from memory but I've
done this often enough to be pretty sure it's correct.  The "--help"
option of dpkg lists all available options.)

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Hi, I hope I'm doing this right. I tried to post to the linux.debian.user
newsgroup without success.

Anyway, I just installed Debian 1.1.2 in late July (my first Debian
installation), with a few problems. I've fixed some of them thanks to this
forum, but there are two among the many left that I'm trying to fix right now.

1. dselect didn't configure lpr correctly so I did it myself using the
printing HOWTO which I've done successfully many times before with Slackware
releases. Now root can print but users get the message, "usr can't create
/usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/.seq". This is with the permissions on that file set to
rw_rw_r as the HOWTO says. I tried changing the permissions to rw_rw_rw but
then a user gets the message "usr can't create
/usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/tfA006Aa01777". As far as I know I have the permissions
set correctly in all the directories leading to this file, but this seems
like a permission problem. I'm stuck!

2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Chris Beamis


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To: John Tran <jtran@beta.nersc.gov>
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, John Tran wrote:

> > > ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
> > > little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
> > > - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
> > > this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
> > > to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
> > > from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:
> 
> run fdisk and set bootable flag (A) to your dos partition only.  Linux does
> not need this flag set.
> 

Just catching up on my list mail and I wanted to throw in my 2 cents 
worth.  I have been using LILO with my Win95/Linux box with no problems 
whatsoever.  I have noticed that Win95 tends to reinstall the MBR but 
there is a simple fix to this that I have noticed by accident.

I usually install Linux first and I leave a space at the beginning of the 
disk for the Win95 partition to be added later.  My Linux boot partition 
is /dev/hda2 (I resrve /hda1 for the Win95 partition).  When I install 
LILO I make all the appropriate responses telling it that I will be 
booting more than one OS and then I find that hda2 is set as the active 
partition and is fully bootable.

Later, when I install Win95, the first partition is formatted and made to 
be the boot partition automatically (as a number of people have noted 
already).  But if I run fdisk from a DOS prompt and make the second 
partition bootable once again, voila`, LILO boots Linux the next time the 
machine is restarted.  At this point all I need to do is add the 
appropriate lines to my /etc/lilo.conf in order to get Win95 to boot when 
I choose it (Linux is the default of course...):

	boot=/dev/hda2
	root=/dev/hda2
	compact
	install=/boot/boot.b
	map=/boot/map
	vga=normal
	delay=20	
	image=/vmlinuz
		label=Linux
		read-only
	other=/dev/hda1
		label=Win95
		table=/dev/hda

If you inspect the first line of this lilo.conf file, you will notice 
that the boot is set to a partition (/dev/hda2) rather than a disk 
(/dev/hda) and so LILO is installed using a boot sector on the second 
partition rather than on the Master Boot Record as would be done if only 
the disk were specified.  I believe that this is possible because the 
Linux fdisk permits up to 4 primary partitions (the DOS fdisk only allows 
1) and each can be made bootable.  The result is that if I wish to go 
back to booting Win95 only (heaven forbid), I need only activate the 
first partition and my LILO is still sitting there intact for me to use 
later.  This will allow me to reinstall Win95 to my heart's content and 
not mess up my Linux loadability and dual boot.  This method will not, to 
my knowledge, work unless the boot partitions of both Win95 and Linux are 
on teh same disk and reside under the 1024 cylinder limit imposed by DOS 
and LILO.

Anyway, just thought I'd lay my experiences out for all to use if they 
like...

Carlo

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    *        Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago, IL 60616          *
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Is it possible to enlarge my current partition without reformatting it?
My current partition is 1GB and I would like to extend it to > 1.5GB.


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, David C Winters wrote:

> 
> 	Now, to explain the question, since I can't understand the 
> Subject: line and I wrote it myself...
> 
> 	I've got approximately 50 machines I need to build.  My best 
> option for the initial system build, unless I've missed something, would 
> be to run deselect on one machine, then take a deselect-generated file 
> containing my selections and exporting that file to all the other 
> machines, so I can just start up dselect and choose "Install" without 
> having to go through "Select" on each.
> 	How can I accomplish this?  Which file(s) do I need to export in 
> order to make this happen?  And, is there a better way to achieve the 
> same results?
> 
> 	Now, a meta-issue.  I've been extremely pleased with the Debian 
> distribution, as well as the support I've received from this list.  
> Thanks, all!  
> 
> 
> David winters+@pitt.edu aka winters+@cs.cmu.edu
> Office: 3503 WeH, x86720

I don't think you can do much in terms of recording input to
dselect.  I would look at something like a tape-backup
technology, or using a null modem to transfer the data.  (I
assume if you have 50 machines you have more advanced networking
than a null modem).  

If you recompile the kernel, there is an option for "Root
filesystem on NFS."  If you could get an NFS on one drive to
export, you could boot all the machines with NFS and then copy
stuff en mass from machine to machine.

I'm not sure how to actually send the data, but you could use
something like afio to packages the filesystem up and send it
through the NFS.

A neat idea: look into dbackup... (but it isn't done yet, AFAIK)

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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dan Bergman wrote:

> 1. How do I set up a boot so I can boot Debian or Win95? 
>  Now I have to use a boot disk to get debian to boot...
> 
> 2. How do I change the diplay mode in XF86 from 8bit to 16bit
> color? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM w/ 2MB and use 
> 16bit color in win95 so there shouldn't be any probs to get
> it in X too..

generally, you type:

startx -- -bpp 16

You need XF86Config set up correctly (is it possibly already
correct?)

You can also edit the Xservers file (type "locate Xservers" it
should be in /etc/X11 somewhere) to use 16 bit.  Mine has:

:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -gamma 1.5 -bpp 16

as the active ingredient.


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, David C Winters wrote:

> 
> 	Now, to explain the question, since I can't understand the 
> Subject: line and I wrote it myself...
> 
> 	I've got approximately 50 machines I need to build.  My best 
> option for the initial system build, unless I've missed something, would 
> be to run deselect on one machine, then take a deselect-generated file 
> containing my selections and exporting that file to all the other 
> machines, so I can just start up dselect and choose "Install" without 
> having to go through "Select" on each.
> 	How can I accomplish this?  Which file(s) do I need to export in 
> order to make this happen?  And, is there a better way to achieve the 
> same results?
> 
> 	Now, a meta-issue.  I've been extremely pleased with the Debian 
> distribution, as well as the support I've received from this list.  
> Thanks, all!  
> 
> 
> David winters+@pitt.edu aka winters+@cs.cmu.edu
> Office: 3503 WeH, x86720

Let me suggest (in addition to my last suggestion) the use of
"afio" (or cpio) with the utility called netcat.

Send the compressed volume through a pipe to netcat, and do the
opposite on the other end.

nc just acts as a pipe between two systems.

Note that afio may do bad things if it overwrites running
programs, so look out for that. --> you may want to create a 15
MB or so partition on each machine to run Debian until you get
it set up minimally (base system + some networking).

When you are done, you can use the bootstrapping partition as an
emergency repair system, or just add it on as more swap space.


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I have been playing about with my new Debian distribution for a 
week or so now. Great stuff. I have managed to configure most of 
my file, print, mail and fax server apart from a small send mail 
issue (and of course that mgetty console message: 
'/usr/lib/mgetty+sendfax/new-fax: No such file or directory' 
which I assume to be a minor bug for the time bieng).

My problem is that I am unable to get any mail queued for UUCP 
delivery. Internal SMPT mail works fine, incoming UUCP no probs. 
I am no way near of a mail expert and I have spend some time 
fiddling with the configuration script and adding some UUCP 
lines. This resulted in the following .mc file. I would be happy 
if anyone would shoot at it...

        #
        # This file is used to configure sendmail for use with 
Debian systems.
        #

        divert(0)
        VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc	8.7 (Linux) 3/5/96')
        OSTYPE(debian)dnl
        FEATURE(nocanonify)dnl
        FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
        FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl
        FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl
        FEATURE(nodns)dnl
        define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `1d')dnl
        MAILER(local)dnl
        MAILER(smtp)dnl
        Cwavondel.xs4all.nl
        MASQUERADE_AS(avondel.xs4all.nl)dnl
        
        ## Custom configurations below (will be preserved)
        
        MAILER(uucp)dnl
        define(`SMART_HOST', uucp:avondel)

- --
My setup is really simple:

my ISP is called:      xs4all.nl
my UUCP node:          avondel

I really hope someone can point my in the right direction. Thanks 
all for the attention,


Erik van der Meulen
eme@ncm.nl

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Dan Bergman writes:
> 
> 1. How do I set up a boot so I can boot Debian or Win95? 
>  Now I have to use a boot disk to get debian to boot...

Try this lilo.config:

# Start LILO global section
boot = /dev/hda
compact        # faster, but won't work on all systems.
delay = 50
vga=extended
ramdisk = 0     # paranoia setting
# End LILO global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
image = /vmlinuz
  root = /dev/hda2
  label = linux
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# WIN95 bootable partition config begins
other = /dev/hda1
  label = win95
  loader = /boot/chain.b
# WIN95 bootable partition config ends

I haven't tried it yet (since my WIN95 is on hdb not hda it has to be
different). It should work, though. In any case you get the idea. Once you
started lilo from Linux you should be able to boot both via the LILO prompt.

Michael

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Trying  dosemu-0.60.3-1.deb  to run on linux 2.0.10 
Compilation on .tgz sources also error and do not want to compile
with X support, have not yet tried without it.

Will appresiate any help. 


After dpkg -i the binary package:
================================================ problem ===================
$ dpkg -i x11/xlib-3.1.2-7.deb
  ...
$ cp /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
$ dos -A
dos: can't load library '/usr/lib/libX11.so.6'
        Exec format error
dos: can't find library 'libX11.so.6'
============================================================================




Ioannis Tambouras
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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Robert Van Horn wrote:
telos 16 % zgrep -i librl.so /data/deb/Contents.gz
lib/librl.so.2.0.3.dist                                      aout-librl

It is in:

filename: Debian-1.1/binary-i386/devel/aout-librl-2.0.3-4.deb
msdos-filename: Debian-1.1/msdos-i386/devel/aoutlbrl.deb
size: 112098
md5sum: 46972d5000aa7785bad36eed1d4505e7



> When I try to use ftp I get a message "ftp: can't find library 'librl.so.2'"
> I also am not able to find this library any of the places I looked.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help finding this library.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 

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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 06 Aug 1996 15:42:37 +0200 Michael Gaertner 
> (gaertnem@ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote:
> > shutdown -h now
> > 
> > console-message:
> > "start-stop-daemon:warning: failed to kill 218: No such process"
> > 
> > Indeed there is no PID 218. BTW the pid-number changes with every
> > shutdown.

That's not true. examin with ps -ef

> > I think it has something to do with X Windows because I have another
> > debian-system without X Windows installed - and I don't get this message.
> 
> I have the same minor problem, and it's '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' which causes the trouble. From what I've found, start-stop-daemon will kill the process tree of the daemon to stop. In case of xdm, it will try to kill xdm first, then X.
> But, xdm kills X too when it's about to shutdown. The message appears when xdm kills X before start-stop-daemon. Sometimes, no message appears, and I assume that happens when start-stop-daemon kills X before xdm.

Ok, what happens is: 

PID (ex.)	COMMAND
151		/usr/bin/X11/xdm
159		\_ /usr/X11R6/bin/X
160		\_ -:0 ;(local display-server)		

shutdown invokes k01xdm:
star-stop-daemon --stop --verbose --exec /usr/bin/X11/xdm

invoked "by hand" prints same message:
"[...] failed to kill 160: No such process
stopped /usr/bin/X11/xdm (pid 160)"

which gets printed by start-stop-daemon script (r1.2.13):
[...]
for $pid (@found) {
    if ($testmode) {
       [...];
    } else {
        if (kill($signal,$pid)) {
           push(@killed,$pid); is this wrong ?
        } else {
            print "start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill $pid:$!\n";#
	}
    }

Maybe Jan can help?

> 
> I have no fix yet. (It's only a minor annoyance)
you can always use ssd --quite ;)

> 
> Phil.
> 
> 
> 

Michael Gaertner <gaertnem@ruf.uni-freiburg.de>
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I recently posted a problem I was having installing a "special-kernel" with
the boot disk during the installation procedure. Gilbert Ramirez responded
indicating he had the same problem (error in format archive) with these
kernels, and the culpret was the "modules.tgz" file on the boot disk. It is
corrupt.

I can verify that. I needed to do what Gilbert did, and that was to 
gunzip, un-tar, re-tar, and re-gzip the file, and put it back on the
boot disk. The install went fine after that. (I did remove a module or two
I wouldn't need to be sure it would fit back on the floppy). 

Of course if your computer is in the state of installing debian, you won't 
be able to do these things on THAT machine, and if you don't have a spare 
linux/unix computer, your ingenuity skills will be challenged.  

You can test the modules.tgz file on the boot disk by doing a 
"tar -tzvf <floppy mount point>/modules.tgz" looking for an "unexpected EOF"
error message at the end of the tar list. 

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>>>>> Yves Arrouye writes:

  Yves>   - one user under VIP couldn't search because / is a prefix
  Yves>   key too :-(

Look at the function iso-accents-customize.  Here's what I set up for
German:

; put this in site-start.el or in .emacs
(eval-after-load
 "iso-acc"
 '(progn
    (setq iso-languages
	  (cons '("german" (?\" (?A . ?Ä) (?O . ?Ö) (?U . ?Ü)
				(?a . ?ä) (?o . ?ö) (?u . ?ü)
				(?s . ?ß) (?< . ?«) (?> . ?»)))
		iso-languages))
    (iso-accents-customize "german")))

But I think the default value of iso-languages has a value for french,
just German was missing -- let this be for the benefit of the German
readers of this mailing list...

kai
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>>>>> Yves Arrouye writes:

  Yves> If only Motif would get these keys too, and differentiate
  Yves> between backspace and delete, I'd be really happy.

I think Motif uses a way that involves the Multi_key keysym.  Assign
this keysym to some key and see if you can use it as a Compose key for
Motif programs.  (For me, Multi_key worked just fine for Emacs, too.
On a SPARC Solaris 2.5 machine, though.)

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>>>>> James D LaPlaine writes:

  Jamie> I'm still struggling to get my PPP connection working
  Jamie> properly. Although the chat script is making the connection,
  Jamie> I can;t send any packets to any machine other than the one I
  Jamie> am dailing in on. Even then it only works a little, I can't
  Jamie> even ping that machine (or myself, whether I have ppp running
  Jamie> or not.) 

Type `route' and see what kinds of routes you have.  I had to add the
following command to my /etc/ppp/ip-up script:

    route add -net default ippp0

Substitute the right device for ippp0 -- I'm using ISDN.  You probably
want modem or cua0 or ttyS0 or something, which ever device you have
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I'm trying to install Debian 1.1 and can't seem to get the loopback
device configured. At boot up the error:

    SCIOADDRT: Invalid argument

appears when the /etc/init.d/network script runs. The offending line
in this script is:

    route add -net 127.0.0.0

ifconfig reports (output below) that the loopback interface does not
have the inet addr that I expect it to have (nor the one that it had
under Debian 0.93R6, BTW).

Any help or pointers appreciated. Mike.

Here's the output from ifconfig:

lo       Link encap:Local Loopback  
         inet addr:255.255.255.255  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
[which used to read:
         inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
]
         UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3584  Metric:1
         RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
         TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0

eth0     Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:24:0D:08:7E
         inet addr:xxx.yyy.zzz.164  Bcast:xxx.yyy.zzz.191  Mask:255.255.255.192
         UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
         RX packets:1074 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
         TX packets:135 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
         Interrupt:5 Base address:0x300 

Here's the current /etc/init.d/network script:
#!	/bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=xxx.yyy.zzz.164
NETMASK=255.255.255.192
NETWORK=xxx.yyy.zzz.128
BROADCAST=xxx.yyy.zzz.191
GATEWAY=xxx.yyy.zzz.129
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1

And, FWIW, here's the 0.93R6 /etc/init.d/network:
#! /bin/sh
# network: establish the network connection.
# $Id: network,v 1.1 1995/02/19 20:29:29 imurdock Exp $

# Configure the loopback device.
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add 127.0.0.1

# Configure the ethernet device or start SLIP/PPP below.
IPADDR="xxx.yyy.zzz.164"	# Your IP address.
NETMASK="255.255.255.192"	# Your netmask.
NETWORK="xxx.yyy.zzz.128"	# Your network address.
BROADCAST="xxx.yyy.zzz.191"	# Your broadcast address (blank if none).
GATEWAY="xxx.yyy.zzz.129"	# Your gateway address.

/sbin/ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}

/sbin/route add -net ${NETWORK}
/sbin/route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1


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>
>manually created the symlink

Jim, 

THANKS!  I'll give that a try.....best suggestion I've heard today

:-)
Paul
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Hi Mark --
You said:
> in response to: 
> >Hi Mark --
> >You asked:
> >> because I'd said:
> >> >It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
> >> >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
> >> >
> >> >      dpkg -l *tex*
> >> 
> >> I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
> >> bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
> >> under the two shells?
> >
> >
> >What I'd written was actually not right for either shell.
> >
> >I should have written:
> >
> >         dpkg -l "*tex*"
> >
> >The problem is that without the quotes, the shell expands the argument
> >first, before handing it to dpkg.  If there's a file in your current
> >directory with a name that matches *tex*, then that file, and only that
> >file, is fed to dpkg.  This is not what's intended of course.
> >
> >So I tried the correct usage (with the quotes) under tcsh and it worked
> >fine.
> 
> But the interesting thing is that dpkg -l *tex* actually _works_ when
> run under bash, leading me to think that the bash shell doesn't expand
> the argument first.
> 
Are you sure you tried dpkg -l *tex* in a directory where you know there's 
a file whose name matches the pattern *tex*, and whose name is not that 
of a debian package?  On my system both bash and tcsh behaved the same way.

Susan


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Hi Mark --

You said:
> Very strange.  Here is what I did on my system under bash:
> 
> (mark, destiny)$ ls
> Maelstrom        gnuchessc        maelstrom        xonix
> Maelstrom_sound  gnuchessn        mirrormagic      xp-replay
> acm              gnuchessr        nethack          xpat2
> acms             gnuchessx        postprint        xpilot
> cmail            gnugo            pxboard          xpilots
> fortune          gnushogi         xasteroids       xshogi
> game             gnushogir        xbattle          xsok
> gnuan            gnushogix        xboard           xtet42
> gnuchess         kill-acms        xinvaders        xtron
> (mark, destiny)$ dpkg -l *tex*
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=ba
d)
> ||/ Name            Version        Description
> +++-===============-==============-==========================================
==
> un  X11-text-viewer <none>         (no description available)
> pn  amslatex        <none>         (no description available)
> pn  amstex          <none>         (no description available)
> pn  auctex          <none>         (no description available)
> pn  bibtex          <none>         (no description available)
> pn  gettext         <none>         (no description available)
> pn  hyperlatex      <none>         (no description available)
> pn  latex           <none>         (no description available)
> pn  latex2e-doc     <none>         (no description available)
> pn  latex2rtf       <none>         (no description available)
> ii  nb-tex          2.1-1          NTeX package
> ii  nb-texi         2.1-1          NTeX package
> ii  ntex            2.1-1          NTeX package
> ii  nx-etex         2.1-1          NTeX package
> ii  nx-mtex         2.1-1          NTeX package
> un  tex             <none>         (no description available)
> pn  texbin          <none>         (no description available)
> pn  texidoc         <none>         (no description available)
> ii  texinfo         3.7-1          The GNU Project's documentation formatting
 s
> pn  texlib          <none>         (no description available)
> pn  texpsfnt        <none>         (no description available)
> pn  textfm          <none>         (no description available)
> ii  textutils       1.19-1         The GNU text file processsing utilities.
> ii  untex           9210-4         Remove LaTeX commands from input.
> 
> 
> (Which incidently is the same as what I get when I use the quotes)
> 


What you got was correct.

Your directory listing shows no files which match *tex*.  Therefore,
the shell couldn't expand *tex* to anything in your directory, and 
therefore passed the string *tex* to dpkg, which expanded it on its own.

If:
-- you have a file whose name matches *tex* in the current working directory,
   AND
   if the name of that file _is not_ the name of a Debian package, 

   then dpkg wouldn't be able to infer its status.  You'd get a message 
   "No packages found matching <whatever file you had that matched *tex*>."

-- you have a file whose name matches *tex* in the current working directory,
   AND
   if the name of the file _is_ the name of a Debian package,

   then dpkg -l would be able to look up its status and report it.

-- you do not have a file whose name matches *tex* in the current working 
   directory,

   then the shell passes *tex* to dpkg, which expands the regexp in its
   administrative directories.

HTH,
Susan


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>2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
>in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
>has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
>tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?

If .bash_profile or .bash_login are present .profile will not be used

>From the bash info file -------->
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
File: features.info,  Node: Bash Startup Files,  Next: Is This Shell Interactive?,  Prev: Invoking Bash,  Up: Bash Specific Features

Bash Startup Files
==================

   When and how Bash executes startup files.

     For Login shells (subject to the`~/.profile' exists, then source it.
     
            If `~/.bash_profile' exists, then source it,
               else if `~/.bash_login' exists, then source it,
                  else if `~/.profile' exists, then source it.


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> which puzzles me. Why does the order differ? (BTW, in a mono xterm it
> works like under Emacs.)

I'm even more surprised, as color_xterm maintainer -- because
color_xterm should only differ from mono xterm in, you guessed it,
color features... as far as I can tell I'm building it with the same
sources and options as the xbase xterm is using...


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In article <199608070619.XAA22110@primenet.com>,
chris beamis <beamis@primenet.com> wrote:
>2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
>in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
>has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
>tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?

Check if there's a file called ".bash_profile" in the user's home
directory (there probably will be; it's the default).  If so, then
bash will execute that when you start a login shell, and ignore the
.profile.  Try sticking the alias in ".bash_profile" or ".bashrc".

>Thanks in advance for any help.

No problem, hope it helps.
-- 
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(malc@thing.demon.co.uk)  |  It's fixed in the new release."  -- Help line.


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In article "John Houwen" <slyder@voicenet.com> writes:
>
>I have tried to remove these packages, but upon running either 
>dselect or dpkg I get something along the lines of "Package is in an 
>unstable/condititon please re-install before attempting to remove"
>

The kernel-image, kernel-source and kernel-package packages have a
bug in the installation scripts.  The prerm and preinst scripts
refer to #! /bin/perl .  Unfortunately, on a virgin Debian 1.1
system, there is no /bin/perl.  The solution is to create a symlink
from /usr/bin/perl to /bin/perl.  Then you should be able to 
de-install and re-install the kernel packages no problem.

- Jim



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At 11:19 PM 8/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hi, I hope I'm doing this right. I tried to post to the linux.debian.user
>newsgroup without success.
>
>Anyway, I just installed Debian 1.1.2 in late July (my first Debian
>installation), with a few problems. I've fixed some of them thanks to this
>forum, but there are two among the many left that I'm trying to fix right now.
>
>1. dselect didn't configure lpr correctly so I did it myself using the
>printing HOWTO which I've done successfully many times before with Slackware
>releases. Now root can print but users get the message, "usr can't create
>/usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/.seq". This is with the permissions on that file set to
>rw_rw_r as the HOWTO says. I tried changing the permissions to rw_rw_rw but
>then a user gets the message "usr can't create
>/usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/tfA006Aa01777". As far as I know I have the permissions
>set correctly in all the directories leading to this file, but this seems
>like a permission problem. I'm stuck!
        Try this.... 
chmod 777 /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/
         and then 
chmod u+t /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/

                It sounds to me like lpr needs this area as a scratch pad
before printing.  Chmod u+t sets the sticky bit, which allows users to erase
only files they create.  This should clear up your problem, and if some Unix
guru out there noticed my syntax was wrong please point out to the world so
I don't make the same mistake myself ;>.

                                                Mike...


>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Chris Beamis
        np


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>>>>> "john" == John Houwen <slyder@voicenet.com> writes:
    > I seem to have a similar problem with dselect/dpkg, but not
    > with the dpkg-ftp option (haven't gotten that far yet)

    > The dselect package has given me problems from the first. I
    > made a few errors in my 1st attempt at the CDRom install,
    > but managed to get most of the selected packages unpacked &
    > installed.  Where dselect hung was on the
    > kernel-source/kernel-headers packages. (where is
    > local/binary ??)

[snip]


This sounds like the problem that I'm having.  I installed debian
on a new system and all went well until I tried to use dselect to
install the kernel-source package.  While doing that, dpkg
crashed with a segmentation fault.  So I tried to use dselect to
purge the kernel-source package and again dpkg crashed, this time
leaving me with a hung system.  All I could do was power cycle my
machine since the keyboard was apparently frozen and I could not
log in on any other consoles.  This left me with a bad disk which
I cannot fix because now e2fsck crashes with a segmentation
fault.  It looks like I'm going to have to reformat my hard disk
and reinstall from scratch. :(

I don't have any answers for you, but you are not alone.  I'm
tempted to try a different distribution in hopes of getting a
stable system.

I'll let you know if I come up with any solutions.

Mike

-- 
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In article <199608072149.RAA29061@sgk.tiac.net> Susan Kleinmann wrote:
: 
: Hi Chris --
: 
: You said:
: > I tried to post to the linux.debian.user newsgroup without success.

: There isn't any newsgroup -- just this mailing list.

Actually, linux.debian.user exists, but it appears to be a gateway from
the mailing list to USENET - it doesn't seem to work the other way
around. :-( I can read from it, but it doesn't seem to reach the mailing
list if I post to it.

Just FWIW. (and, again FWIW, I'm mailing this to debian-user, not posting
it.)

-- 
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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, chris beamis wrote:

> 
> Leszek,
>   Sorry, I should have mentioned that it is the same .profile which I've
> always used successfully with Slackware releases. I was going from memory
> which is the only reason I got the quotes wrong. There is something else
> going on causing bash or something to ignore my .profile.
> 
> Thanks anyway.
> 
> Chris Beamis

Is it named .profile?  I have a .profile in /etc/ but in my home
directory I use ".bash_profile" and ".bash_rc".


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Dear users,

This is in reply to some of the queries regarding the nfs module in
version 2.0.6 of the kernel. At least two people have responded with
the advice to recompile the kernel which seems to be a succesful
approach. 

I have discovered however that the problem lies with the module nfs.o
itself. Lazaro Salem (Lazaro.Salem@rf.no) was kind enough to send me
his recompiled version of nfs.o which works fine with the kernel 
supplied with Debian 1.1.3. Thus, a solution to the problem is to
merely recompile the module and not necessarilly the entire kernel. If
there is enough interest, I can upload the nfs.o module which Lazaro
supplied to me to some public site until the Debian maintainers fix
the problem. Please write me if you would like this to happen.

Alvin

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Is there any support under Debian Linux for displaying or editing Japanese
text?


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>> But the interesting thing is that dpkg -l *tex* actually _works_ when
>> run under bash, leading me to think that the bash shell doesn't expand
>> the argument first.
>> 
>Are you sure you tried dpkg -l *tex* in a directory where you know there's 
>a file whose name matches the pattern *tex*, and whose name is not that 
>of a debian package?  On my system both bash and tcsh behaved the same way.

Very strange.  Here is what I did on my system under bash:

(mark, destiny)$ ls
Maelstrom        gnuchessc        maelstrom        xonix
Maelstrom_sound  gnuchessn        mirrormagic      xp-replay
acm              gnuchessr        nethack          xpat2
acms             gnuchessx        postprint        xpilot
cmail            gnugo            pxboard          xpilots
fortune          gnushogi         xasteroids       xshogi
game             gnushogir        xbattle          xsok
gnuan            gnushogix        xboard           xtet42
gnuchess         kill-acms        xinvaders        xtron
(mark, destiny)$ dpkg -l *tex*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-===============-==============-============================================
un  X11-text-viewer <none>         (no description available)
pn  amslatex        <none>         (no description available)
pn  amstex          <none>         (no description available)
pn  auctex          <none>         (no description available)
pn  bibtex          <none>         (no description available)
pn  gettext         <none>         (no description available)
pn  hyperlatex      <none>         (no description available)
pn  latex           <none>         (no description available)
pn  latex2e-doc     <none>         (no description available)
pn  latex2rtf       <none>         (no description available)
ii  nb-tex          2.1-1          NTeX package
ii  nb-texi         2.1-1          NTeX package
ii  ntex            2.1-1          NTeX package
ii  nx-etex         2.1-1          NTeX package
ii  nx-mtex         2.1-1          NTeX package
un  tex             <none>         (no description available)
pn  texbin          <none>         (no description available)
pn  texidoc         <none>         (no description available)
ii  texinfo         3.7-1          The GNU Project's documentation formatting s
pn  texlib          <none>         (no description available)
pn  texpsfnt        <none>         (no description available)
pn  textfm          <none>         (no description available)
ii  textutils       1.19-1         The GNU text file processsing utilities.
ii  untex           9210-4         Remove LaTeX commands from input.


(Which incidently is the same as what I get when I use the quotes)

Mark.


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> I've managed to get myself in a catch-22 kind of dilemma.  In an effort
> to get a working 2.0.0 kernel with the proper options to support IP
> masquerading, somehow or other both my kernel-image and kernel-source
> packages have gotten to a state where I'm stuck fast!

Before you try anything drastic, check the #!/... line of the
post-install scripts for the kernel. Mine pointed to a non-
existent perl. Either modify the script(s) or create a link
to the correct Perl. Once I had created the link, the install
went forward without a hitch.

Good luck,
Owen  


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I just got xanim compiled on my system with full for cinepack and indeo 
enconding, I also compiled in sound, but I have no idea if it works since 
I don't have a sound card on my linux box.  If anyone want it, I will try 
to put it together as a package.  It should be pretty easy just one file 
is neccesary to run it.  

Shaya Potter
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>>>>> W " "Bart," "Jr writes:

  W> so which  email package do you folks like?

For high-volume email users, I recommend Gnus which is a combined
mail/news reader package for Emacs.  Emacs is a Debian package and
contains Gnus.

kai
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	Chris,
		I had the same problem with my profile.  My work around
was editing (creating?) the .bash_profile   file.  At least I think that's
it, I'm at school now.  It's just like .profile , but renamed to confuse
us !  Good luck.
		Mike.




On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, chris beamis wrote:

> >> 2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
> >> in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
> >> has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
> >> tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?
> 
> Leszek,
>   Sorry, I should have mentioned that it is the same .profile which I've
> always used successfully with Slackware releases. I was going from memory
> which is the only reason I got the quotes wrong. There is something else
> going on causing bash or something to ignore my .profile.
> 
> Thanks anyway.
> 
> Chris Beamis
> 
> 


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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> >On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >
> >There are many problems with the ET4000/W32 cards.  You can try a beta
> >version from XFREE or try my solution--replace the card with one that
> >works under the present XFREE86 distribution.
> 
> Hmm, I thought it was supposed to work.  Anyway, what cards would you
> recommend as being good and reliable, working well under the present
> XFree86?

I have used several versions of the Diamond Stealth 64 cards.  I replaced
a Stealth 32 (ET4000) with a Stealth 64 (S3 868 with 2M VRAM).  I use a
VLB Stealth 64 864 DRAM at home.  I've also used the PCI version of the
Stealth 64 DRAM with the Trios64 chipset at work--this one is now selling
locally for as little as $77 in San Diego.  The problem with Diamond is
that they change their hardware versions almost every month, but all of
the above work well and are accelerated with the S3 sever.  I think it is
probably possible to do better and/or go cheaper, but I've stuck with
these cards on all of my machines.

I spent about a day trying to get the W32 server to work with that Stealth
32.  That was several months back.  I read the postings on the Linux news
groups and found that people were having limited success with the beta
versions of XFREE, but they could not even get more than 256 colors.  That's
when I decided to swap the card with someone at work who doen't run Linux.

Good luck.

Syrus.

----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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>It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
>you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
>
>      dpkg -l *tex*

I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
under the two shells?

Thanks,

Mark.


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>On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a friend who I am trying to help install debian 1.1.  He has an
>> ET4000/W32p graphics card.  I installed the appropriate server, went
>> through the xbase-configure program to create an XF86Config file, and
>> then ran "X -probeonly 2> out.txt" to try and get a clock line.  The
>> system just hung and I had to do a Ctr-Alt-Del to get out.
>> 
>> I couldn't work out what the problem was.  Any ideas?  I include the
>> out.txt file below.
>
>There are many problems with the ET4000/W32 cards.  You can try a beta
>version from XFREE or try my solution--replace the card with one that
>works under the present XFREE86 distribution.

Hmm, I thought it was supposed to work.  Anyway, what cards would you
recommend as being good and reliable, working well under the present
XFree86?

Thanks,

Mark.


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Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:

> I just got xanim compiled on my system with full for cinepack and indeo 
> enconding, I also compiled in sound, but I have no idea if it works since 
> I don't have a sound card on my linux box.  If anyone want it, I will try 
> to put it together as a package.  It should be pretty easy just one file 
> is neccesary to run it.  

Please be sure to check on the redistributability of the cinepak and
indeo code---I'm not sure it can be redistributed _at all_, and I'm
fairly certain that it would have to go in non-free.

Which isn't to say I wouldn't like to see the package---just that this
is one that probably needs all its proverbial ts crossed and is dotted.

Mike.


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I will soon be purchasing a custom system to run Debian GNU/Linux.  Since
I must get bids from different vendors, I might as well give detailed
specifications if that will enhance the performance with Linux.

Does anyone have comments on specific Pentium Pro motherboards?

For example, Bruce Perens mentioned on this list some time ago that
the combination of the IDE controller in the Triton chipset with an
EIDE drive is as fast as fast, wide SCSI.  I found that the system I
was using had the Triton chipset and enabled the Triton-specific
optimizations in the kernel.  The results were very pleasing.

Are there similar things to look for when purchasing a motherboard today?

Please e-mail me and I will summarize to the list.

-- 
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On 23:36:54 OCrow@mail.capgem.com wrote:
>> masquerading, somehow or other both my kernel-image and kernel-source
>> packages have gotten to a state where I'm stuck fast!
>
>Before you try anything drastic, check the #!/... line of the
>post-install scripts for the kernel. Mine pointed to a non-
>existent perl. Either modify the script(s) or create a link
>to the correct Perl. Once I had created the link, the install
>went forward without a hitch.
>
Owen,

Thanks for suggesting caution.  Others have suggested the
scripts having that error also.  However, I have managed to
resolve the dilemma.  I tried Heiko's suggestion and edited
my status file.  I changed the kernel-source and image status
to "purge ok not-installed".  Then ran dselect, since I wanted to
install a few other packages as well.  All went fine!  Except that 
now the postinst script fails.  This is not dibilatating however as
the source is now intact and the original kernel image (and the
compressed) are where they should be.  I believe this same error
occured on the initial install of the kernel stuff
as well.

Paul


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I would like to set up a dns on linux.  This  name server will serve a 
private domain encompassing a wireless network.

I will very shortly have dial-in access to a ISP to provide internet 
visibility to wireless network users.

 Is it possible to configure a  private dns to resolve a name query and in 
the event the query fails  forward the query to the Internet Service 
Providers domain name server ?   Private names must be  resolved locally by 
the linux dns and never require resolution over the internet.

The private domain,  at this time is not recognized by the internet 
community and names specific to the private domain cannot be resolved.  Each 
private name would  be entered manualy into a  private dns cache.

Any suggestions ?


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On 6 Aug 1996, Andy Guy wrote:

> Al Youngwerth <alberty@apexxtech.com> writes:
> 
> Guy: could you move dpkg-ftp into unstable, this would avoid these
> problems.

I agree... IMHO, the current version of dpkg-ftp is certainly good enough
for 'unstable'. And since we're including it with the base disks now,
it seems illogical to hide the .deb in project/experimental.

  Christian



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As I see it, the installation floppies (1996-07-14) have three problems:

1)  There are unresolved sysmbols in the nfs and de4x5 modules.

2)  Something amiss with hostname.  When I boot I get the message:
        none: Host name lookup failure
    at the point where boot executes 
	hostname --file /etc/hostname.
    I have edited /etc/issue to show hostname.domain and getty comes out
    with
        elm.(none).


HTH

Lindsay








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Guy Maor wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Steve Gaarder wrote:
> 
> > I am installing Debian 1.1.1 on a generic clone with an AMD 486 on an
> > Opti-based motherboard.  If I have the internal cache enabled in setup,
> > I get the error "invalid compressed format" after the "uncompressing
> > Linux" message.  If I disable the cache, it boots fine.  It boots ok
> > from the hard drive either way.  Anyone know what is going on?
> 
> I don't see how this could happen with an L1 cache (internal), but it
> could with an L2 (external).  Were you perhaps enabling and disabling
> the external?  Try to enable it but make the timings more
> conservative.  You're probably seeing hardware problems; your L2 cache
> is being addressed too quickly.
> 
> Guy

I had problems like this a couple years back when I was installing OS/2
on a Dell Machine (486,66mhz).. The installation would fail if I didn't
disabel both L1 and L2 caches.. But I ripped out the TsengLab GFX card
(VLB)
and all troubles went away.. Ripping out gfx card is often not a option 
but the Dell MB had a Cyrrus Logic Chip on it...


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Hi Chris - 

Is there an existing .bash_profile in that directory?  I believe Debian
by default gives you one.  If so, .profile will not be read:  

          Login shells:
            On login (subject to the -noprofile option):
                  if /etc/profile exists, source it.

                  if ~/.bash_profile exists, source it,
                    else if ~/.bash_login exists, source it,
                      else if ~/.profile exists, source it.

                                                    (from the man page)
So you could rework it one way or another to get your command sourced.
(You can also instead just put it in .bashrc, which practically always
gets read by interactive shells.  But why leave this .profile ambiguity
hanging anyway? :-)

The other possibility is less likely: that you are somehow running a
sub-shell, not a login shell.  If you were using an xterm this might be
the case.  But any login from a console prompt should be a login shell,
and read the startup files as specified above.  Specifying login
behavior, or the .bashrc solution, would work if it was a sub.  

Hth,

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com


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sure, just specify:

primary	my.private.domain	file.db

and all dns lookups for my.private.domain will work.  If you're talking about
your "customers'" machines, that's a little tougher... the easiest trick is
to set them up to have cacheing DNS nameservers, and set:

forwarder 	<ip address of your nameserver>
slave		(this is the obsolete keyword, look in the docs for the new
		 keyword)


I mention using cacheing DNS servers on your customer boxes.  Since you're
on a radio network, this is a good idea.  If you can't do that, then make
sure your customers always point ONLY to nameservers that can speak
authoritatively for my.private.domain.

Paul



  From: hmmahone@mobility.com (Mahoney, Hugh M.)
  Subject: dns
  
  
  I would like to set up a dns on linux.  This  name server will serve a 
  private domain encompassing a wireless network.
  
  I will very shortly have dial-in access to a ISP to provide internet 
  visibility to wireless network users.
  
   Is it possible to configure a  private dns to resolve a name query and in 
  the event the query fails  forward the query to the Internet Service 
  Providers domain name server ?   Private names must be  resolved locally by 
  the linux dns and never require resolution over the internet.
  
  The private domain,  at this time is not recognized by the internet 
  community and names specific to the private domain cannot be resolved.  Each 
  private name would  be entered manualy into a  private dns cache.
  
  Any suggestions ?
  


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I had the same probs as Jay, and performed the same
solution as Lazaro, with equal success.
I used the kernel building package 'make-kpkg' to
build my custom kernel.
Jim

> Hi Jay,
> There have been some postings (since the 1.1.2 release) to this list  
> reporting  the same problem. Check last week's ones as I sent a kind of 
> reports-log. I heard of no answers so I am not sure whther we are 
> exceptions# to the rule.
> 
> My solution was to reinstall 1.1 (stable tree) download & install the 
> packages in the updates. Among them the kernel-source-2.0.6-0.i386.deb 
> (please check the name) but not the kernel-image. 
> I the recompiled the 2.0.6 with the debian script to create a kernel-image 
> package. Look at kernel source tree for a debian.---- .
> As a result I got the kernel-image-2.0.6-choose.your.tag.here.deb which I 
> installed with dpkg (instructions are in the debian script)
> Now I have a custom (leaner) kernel and no problems so ever with the 
> "undefined" messages. 
> 
> Lazaro
> salem@rf.no>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Adding nfs and ip modules to base
>Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
>Date:    07.08.96 05:25
>
>
>Hi,
>
>During installation I was prompted to select some modules to
>install.
>
>I wanted nfs but it replied
>
>	nfs_mknod undefined
>	nfs_sillyrename_create undefined
>	nfs_create undefined undefined
>	nfs_mkdir undefined undefined
>	nfs_lookup_cache undefined undefined
>	nfs_rename undefined undefined
>	nfs_lookup undefined undefined
>	nfs_nfs_rmdir undefined undefined
>	nfs_link undefined
>	nfs_refresh_inode undefined
>	nfs_symlink undefined
>	nfs_unlink undefined
>	Loading failed ! The module symbols 
>	(from linux-2.0.6) don't match your linux-2.0.6
>	Installation failed
>
>For the internet protocol drivers it said:
>	Can't locate module console
>
>And for my ne2000 card:
>	ne.c : Module autoprobing not allowed
>	append "io=0xNNN" values
>
>	(Howabout pointer to Ethernet Howto in Installation doc
>	where values to try above can be found)
>
>I also tried (with identical results):
>	modprobe -t fs nfs.o
>
>
>Fortunatly, can still use computer since didn't overwrite
>previous system.  However, can't install Debian since cannot
>mount the nfs drive where distribution will be kept.
>
>Have read the Module-Howto and related Docs but can't find 
>a solution to these problems.  I fed the first line of nfs 
>error message to dejanews using 200,000 linux messages and it 
>found nothing !  It looks simple, since the
>messges don't seem cryptic, but what do I know ...
>
>Thanks in advance for any enlightenment,
>Jay
>
>
>
>
===========================================================
Jim Gerace
Senior Systems Engineer
email: jim@kasinet.com
www:   http://www.kasinet.com


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Hi all,

  I'm trying to compile mouse support into my kernel (2.0.6), but for the
life of me I can't get the mouse to function.  I have a busmouse on an
ATI Graphics Ultra + card (which the HOWTO says is a regular busmouse,
NOT an ATI busmouse).  When I run MSD under dos, it reports a busmouse
using IRQ4.  So far, so good.

  When I try to use the mouse (gpm -m /dev/inportbm) I just get the
message "/dev/inportbm - No such device".  So I tried removing the
inportbm and recreating it (mknod /dev/inportbm c 10 2); running the
"file" command on the new inportbm indicates that it is a character
special (10, 2).  Still no luck - no such device.

  I've tried compiling with busmouse support and NO serial support,
compiling with serial support and NO busmouse support, and compiling
with both busmouse AND serial support.  In all cases I get "no such device"
when using /dev/inportbm.  On the two kernels with serial support, the
gpm -m /dev/ttys0 command does not fail with an error, but it does not
provide any visible mouse support either.  And I have checked that
busmouse.h #defines MOUSE_IRQ = 4.  I set both serial and busmouse support
to be in the kernel, not in modules.

  I've read the busmouse-HOWTO and the FAQ and have not been able to
solve this problem.  Does anybody have any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?
The mouse works fine under DOS/Windows, so it shouldn't be a hardware problem.

  Thanks all.

-jj


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Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:
: On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
: 
: > Hi,
: > 
: > I have a friend who I am trying to help install debian 1.1.  He has an
: > ET4000/W32p graphics card.  I installed the appropriate server, went
[snipped]
: 
: There are many problems with the ET4000/W32 cards.  You can try a beta
: version from XFREE or try my solution--replace the card with one that
: works under the present XFREE86 distribution.

To clarify the situation: 3.1.2 had a few problems that caused them to
not work with ET4000/W32 revisions A or B. (I have a revision A at home,
FWIW.) These bugs have been fixed, and 3.1.2E works fine on my home
system.

I would suggest that you install 3.1.2, but not configure it, from the
debian packages; move it to another directory (or tar it up), and replace
it with the 3.1.2E distribution from ftp.xfree86.org or its mirrors. This
should rectify the situation.

-- 
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. Linux is the answer.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/ for all your PC software requirements.


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Look at /usr/doc/amd there is a (untested!) script to convert automount to
amd maps.

Dominik Kubla
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To: Robert Van Horn <vhs@flexdesign.com>
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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Robert Van Horn wrote:

> When I try to use ftp I get a message "ftp: can't find library 'librl.so.2'"
> I also am not able to find this library any of the places I looked.

I believe librl is the old a.out readline library.  Are you running
Debian 0.93r6?  I highly encourage you to upgrade.


Guy


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> On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, chris beamis wrote:
>> 1. dselect didn't configure lpr correctly so I did it myself using the
>> printing HOWTO which I've done successfully many times before with Slackware
>> releases. Now root can print but users get the message, "usr can't create
>> /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/.seq". This is with the permissions on that file 
>> set to >> rw_rw_r as the HOWTO says. I tried changing the permissions to 
>> rw_rw_rw but then a user gets the message "usr can't create
>> /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/tfA006Aa01777". As far as I know I have the 
>> permissions set correctly in all the directories leading to this file, 
>> but this seems like a permission problem. I'm stuck!

	On the couple of Linux boxes I've set up recently, the 
directories under /usr/spool/lpd are chown'd either root or lp, and 
they're all chgrp'd lp.  I have the permissions set to 775 (ie, rwxrwxr-x)
and I haven't run into any problems so far.  (The benefit of my following 
up with this is I'm sure someone will let me know if these perms will 
cause problems I haven't forseen or encountered...)

> > 2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
> > in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
> > has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
> > tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?
 
On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 bigl@tg.com.pl wrote:
> This line should look like:
> alias lo='exit'

	First, the original message doesn't state what shell is being 
used.  The construction of the sample alias command indicates it's of the 
Bourne family, but doesn't pin it down further than that.  My answer 
assumes that the GNU Bourne-Again shell (bash, typically /bin/bash) is 
the subject.
	The single quotes are only necessary in cases where the command 
to be aliased contains spaces.  I generally make more use of self-
defined functions than aliases, but the single quotes are only needed in 
an example such as

alias pico='pico -e -k -w -x -z'

(This is using the pico that accompanies pine v3.94; don't know if 
earlier pico versions support all of these arguments.)


David winters+@pitt.edu aka winters+@cs.cmu.edu
Office: 3503 WeH, x86720


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On 7 Aug 1996, Jim Pick wrote:

> I had the same problem with a virgin Debian 1.1 installation.  I
> investigated and found that the kernel-image/kernel-source postinst 
> and prerm scripts reference "#! /bin/perl".
> 
> However, on my virgin Debian 1.1 installation, there was no
> symlink from /bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl!  I manually created the
> symlink and that fixed the problem.
> 
> I've been meaning to report this as a bug - but I haven't figured out
> how to do that yet...

You don't need to report it, it's a known bug. It's been fixed in Debian 
1.1.something.

  Christian





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To: Sherwood Botsford <root@vega.math.ualberta.ca>
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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 20:45:56 -0400
From: "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>
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I hesitate to burden the list with an email that's more reminiscent
of "Days of our Lives" than a bug report, but having suggested a couple of
days ago that there might be problems with Linux's handling of memory or 
SCSI interfaces, I thought it might be constructive to report that the
problems I encountered had nothing to do with Linux, Debian, or any of the
utilities I was using, and everything to do with cleaning.  I also thought
it might be useful to summarize 'lessons learned'.

In order to clean the inside of the box that had the 9 GB drive on it,
the outer casing of the box had to be slid off.  The box hadn't been
constructed all that perfectly, so when the lid was finally removed, 
the drive heads got a real physical jolt.  Basically, I was over-optimistic
about the ruggedness of the Micropolis drive (which is now 2 years old).  
I suspect that the heads were misaligned when the box casing was removed, 
and that caused the errors when I rebooted.

(The answer to questions about what I used for cleaning is: a nearly dry 
damp cloth.  I gave the box lots of opportunity to dry after I cleaned it,
so I don't think the two drops of water in the cloth was a problem.  
In fact I suspect that cleaning without a little water is sometimes more 
of a problem, due to static.)

Lessons learned:
-- Running fsck once on a broken partition isn't enough.  It must be run
more than once, especially if fsck ever asks:  ... Ignore<y>?

-- Use 'reboot -n' after running fsck (suggestion from Sherwood Botsford).   

-- (of course) back up early and often.  Reading and then applying
the documentation on the 'tob' backup script is not only a lot less painful 
than going through the trauma that I went through for the last two days; 
it is actually pleasurable reading, a real rarity!  


Thanks to all for sympathy and suggestions while I was in the pits.
Susan Kleinmann


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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:09:05 -0700
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From: beamis@primenet.com (chris beamis)
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At 03:13 PM 8/7/96 +0200, bigl@tg.com.pl wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, chris beamis wrote:
>
>> 
>> 2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
>> in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
>> has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
>> tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?
>> 
>
>This line should look like:
>
>alias lo='exit'
>
>but NOT like:
>
>alias 'lo'=exit
>
>Did it work?!?!?!?!?
>
>
>Leszek Gerwatowski
>TG S.A
>Warsaw, Poland
>
>

Leszek,
  Sorry, I should have mentioned that it is the same .profile which I've
always used successfully with Slackware releases. I was going from memory
which is the only reason I got the quotes wrong. There is something else
going on causing bash or something to ignore my .profile.

Thanks anyway.

Chris Beamis


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I just set up a Linux system on a Syquest EZ135 removable IDE drive. =
Everything seems to work but I get this message (the one on the subject =
line) about 36 times during boot when the disk is being mounted. It also =
throws in the message:

VFS: Root device 03:01: prepare for Armageddon

Fortunately, Armageddon hasn't arrived, at least I don't think it has. =
Everything seems to work ok after the boot is complete. I also got this =
same message while LILO'ing the disk; LILO said it didn't install but my =
system boots just fine from the EZ135 anyway.

It really doesn't appear to be causing any problems, I was just =
wondering if anyone out there knew what it meant.

Thanks,

Al Youngwerth
alberty@apexxtech.com

P.S. These Syquest drives are great. $119 list price for the IDE version =
with one disk. Very fast (uses the same technology as a hard drive).


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Hi Mark --
You asked:
> because I'd said:
> >It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
> >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
> >
> >      dpkg -l *tex*
> 
> I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
> bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
> under the two shells?


What I'd written was actually not right for either shell.

I should have written:

         dpkg -l "*tex*"

The problem is that without the quotes, the shell expands the argument
first, before handing it to dpkg.  If there's a file in your current
directory with a name that matches *tex*, then that file, and only that
file, is fed to dpkg.  This is not what's intended of course.

So I tried the correct usage (with the quotes) under tcsh and it worked
fine.

Cheers,
Susan 


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> I tried to use dselect to
> purge the kernel-source package and again dpkg crashed, this time
> leaving me with a hung system.  All I could do was power cycle my
> machine since the keyboard was apparently frozen and I could not
> log in on any other consoles.  This left me with a bad disk which
> I cannot fix because now e2fsck crashes with a segmentation
> fault.

It's not likely that dpkg/dselect put the system in this state on its own.
Things that wedge the system and then make e2fsck not run generally have
to do with the shared library files containing corrupt data. This could
be a problem with the data on the disk, or bad RAM. Probably a re-install
would be a good idea at this point, since the data on the disk is suspect.

We have taken some hits because we were using a brand-new Linux 2.0 kernel,
but this does not sound like one of those.

People get upset when I point at hardware, because of course Windows 95
runs fine on the system and the power-on test passes. However, many people
on this list have found that Linux exercises features of your system that
DOS and Windows don't ever touch. We get a lot of "I really didn't believe
it was hardware but then I fixed the hardware and it got better" email.

I run Debian on 5 different computers without stability problems.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Steve Gaarder wrote:

> I am installing Debian 1.1.1 on a generic clone with an AMD 486 on an
> Opti-based motherboard.  If I have the internal cache enabled in setup,
> I get the error "invalid compressed format" after the "uncompressing
> Linux" message.  If I disable the cache, it boots fine.  It boots ok
> from the hard drive either way.  Anyone know what is going on?

I don't see how this could happen with an L1 cache (internal), but it
could with an L2 (external).  Were you perhaps enabling and disabling
the external?  Try to enable it but make the timings more
conservative.  You're probably seeing hardware problems; your L2 cache
is being addressed too quickly.


Guy


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Jim Pick wrote on 08 Aug 1996 04:44:21 +1000:

    wb2oyc> <...> In an effort to get a working 2.0.0 kernel with the
    wb2oyc> proper options <...> results in errors during the prerem
    wb2oyc> or postrem scripts for both the source and image package.

    Jim> I had the same problem with a virgin Debian 1.1 installation.
    Jim> I investigated and found that the kernel-image/kernel-source
    Jim> postinst and prerm scripts reference "#! /bin/perl".
    Jim> However, on my virgin Debian 1.1 installation, there was no
    Jim> symlink from /bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl!  I manually created
    Jim> the symlink and that fixed the problem.

This is Bug#3951 I think.  I had the same problem.

Cheers,
Graham


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On Tue, 06 Aug 1996 09:24:01 GMT, you wrote:

>I am to in this situation: waiting for the CD for 4 weeks. I can't
>have any response from Simon Shapiro (I-Connect) on my order since 2
>weeks so I am considering to ftp the files and master a CD for my use.
>
>bye, Daniel
>
>
>--
>Daniel ANDRE, iristech@nordnet.fr	IRIS Technologies
>					155 rue Jules Delcenserie, Bat B3
>					59700 MARCQ en BAROEUL, FRANCE
>
>

I have ordered two Debian CDs in July (one about the 1st of July, one
about the 15th) and I have received them two weeks later in each case,
so I am glad to say I am very pleased with i-connect.

Hubert Fauque
hfauque@bart.fr


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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend who I am trying to help install debian 1.1.  He has an
> ET4000/W32p graphics card.  I installed the appropriate server, went
> through the xbase-configure program to create an XF86Config file, and
> then ran "X -probeonly 2> out.txt" to try and get a clock line.  The
> system just hung and I had to do a Ctr-Alt-Del to get out.
> 
> I couldn't work out what the problem was.  Any ideas?  I include the
> out.txt file below.

There are many problems with the ET4000/W32 cards.  You can try a beta
version from XFREE or try my solution--replace the card with one that
works under the present XFREE86 distribution.

Syrus.



----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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Hello,

Firstly let me introduce myself as a B. Tech Computer Science and
Engineering student at University of Mauritius. For my final year, I have
to do a project namely:

'Design and Implementation of a Dynamic Domain Name Server for host
configuration on a LAN.' If, for e. g., a new server joins the LAN, the
Domain Name Server automatically updates a lookup table automatically. TCP/IP protocol is 
being used to implement.

We are planning to proceed as follows:
As soon as a new server joins the network, it broadcast its ethernet address. When the name 
server gets the message then sends a packet using the ethernet address to the server and 
gives it a name and an IP address. Then the name server pings the new server to see if 
everything is OK.

I shall be much grateful how can I find the said new server using ethernet address? 

Please send me some more information on the netbeui protocol.

Thank you for your attention

Osman

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On 14:19:59 Guy Maor wrote:
>>On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 wb2oyc@cyberenet.net wrote:
>
>> Is there some way to force dpkg to reinstall (or remove) in spite of the
>> error it encounters attempting to remove the older package first?
>
>Type `dpkg --force-help' for instructions on forcing options.  I think
>you want --force-remove-reinstreq.  Be forewarned that you can
>seriously damage your installation with some of these options.
>
>Guy
Thanks for the try Guy, but no help there.  Been there, done that.  The
remove (or forced install) doesn't work either, for the same reason.
The prerem and/or the postrem script fails.  Actually, I thought the force
option would be the answer, but I haven't been successful with it yet.

Paul


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I've been asked which graphics card to get for a purchase of 5
systems to run Linux.  There are a lot of new cards out there
and new versions of cards I was familiar with but enough has
changed that I'm not sure exactly what to specify.

I and some friends have Mach64 cards at home that we bought about
a year ago and are very hapily running Debian Linux on but what
would I specify to get a XFree86 X-Server compatible graphics
card now?

If you have a recomendation for a _specific_ model of graphics
card that you know works (1280x1024x256), please let me know.
It will speed my search.

Thanks.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
David M. Cooke                                   d.m.cooke@larc.nasa.gov


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Hi,
I installed Debian GNU/Linux base system using floppies ( 0.93R6 kernel 
1.2.13)
My problem is, I have a IDE ATAPI  Mitsumi 4X CD ROM connected to first IDE 
as
secondary device which is recognized at boot time

hdb: FX001DE, ATAPI, CDROM

I also notice that it loads 'isofs' filesystem .

When I try to mount it by

'mount -t  iso9660 /dev/hdb /cdrom'

the system hangs ! so is with the following commands

1. mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/hdb /cdrom
2. mount -o ro /dev/hdb /cdrom
3. mount /dev/hdb /cdrom
4. mount -t  iso9660 /dev/hdb /cdrom -o,ro,block=2048

The only way out is to hard reset (switch off/on) the system.

I had Slackware running (Kernel 1.2.13) which recognizes my CD ROM.

My system configuration
 -----------------------
Pentium -75MHz
RAM     -8Mb
First IDE: 1.2 Gb Hard disk , IDE ATAPI mitsumi CD ROM.
Second IDE: 1.6 Gb Hard disk , blank.
PS/2 - Bus Mouse.
SVGA - Cirrus chip set.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Sincerely,
Shankar



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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 wb2oyc@cyberenet.net wrote:

> Is there some way to force dpkg to reinstall (or remove) in spite of the
> error it encounters attempting to remove the older package first?

Type `dpkg --force-help' for instructions on forcing options.  I think
you want --force-remove-reinstreq.  Be forewarned that you can
seriously damage your installation with some of these options.


Guy


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>Hi Mark --
>You asked:
>> because I'd said:
>> >It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
>> >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
>> >
>> >      dpkg -l *tex*
>> 
>> I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
>> bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
>> under the two shells?
>
>
>What I'd written was actually not right for either shell.
>
>I should have written:
>
>         dpkg -l "*tex*"
>
>The problem is that without the quotes, the shell expands the argument
>first, before handing it to dpkg.  If there's a file in your current
>directory with a name that matches *tex*, then that file, and only that
>file, is fed to dpkg.  This is not what's intended of course.
>
>So I tried the correct usage (with the quotes) under tcsh and it worked
>fine.

But the interesting thing is that dpkg -l *tex* actually _works_ when
run under bash, leading me to think that the bash shell doesn't expand
the argument first.

Mark.


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Just a note .. if you have a ~/.bash_profile file than bash will ignore your
.profile file.

Don't forget everyone here is making an assumption you are using the bash
shell .. if you are using a csh derivative than the .profile will be
ignored and those same commands will not work.

The csh version of an alias is 
	alias lo 'logout'

Good luck,
Michael

> 
> At 03:13 PM 8/7/96 +0200, bigl@tg.com.pl wrote:
> >On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, chris beamis wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> 2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
> >> in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
> >> has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
> >> tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?
> >> 
> >
> >This line should look like:
> >
> >alias lo='exit'
> >
> >but NOT like:
> >
> >alias 'lo'=exit
> >
> >Did it work?!?!?!?!?
> >
> >
> >Leszek Gerwatowski
> >TG S.A
> >Warsaw, Poland
> >
> >
> 
> Leszek,
>   Sorry, I should have mentioned that it is the same .profile which I've
> always used successfully with Slackware releases. I was going from memory
> which is the only reason I got the quotes wrong. There is something else
> going on causing bash or something to ignore my .profile.
> 
> Thanks anyway.
> 
> Chris Beamis
> 
> 


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Mark,

When using wildcards in bash, the shell attempts to expand them, but 
if it finds nothing that matches the specified pattern, it passes the 
wildcard string to the command. Quoting the wildcard pattern causes 
the shell to pass it as a single argument to the command. 

In your case, since there was no file in the directory you were 
executing from that matched the pattern *tex*, bash behaved as if you 
had quoted the pattern.

Since I don't use tcsh, I couldn't say for certain, but my 
understanding is that it treats wildcards in a slightly different 
manner - always attempting the expansion and returning an error 
message if the no matches are found. To pass an argument containing 
wildcards, the pattern must be quoted. This would explain why:

bash$ dpkg -l *tex*   

worked, and:

tcsh% dpkg -l *tex* 

did not.

In any case, as a matter of good style, you should always quote 
wildcards when you don't want them expanded - even if you know you 
can get away without it. 

Hope this clarifies things...

Gerry


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Hi Chris --

You said:
> I tried to post to the linux.debian.user newsgroup without success.
There isn't any newsgroup -- just this mailing list.


> Anyway, I just installed Debian 1.1.2 in late July (my first Debian
> installation), with a few problems. ...
> 
> 1. dselect didn't configure lpr correctly so I did it myself using the
> printing HOWTO which I've done successfully many times before with Slackware
> releases. Now root can print but users get the message, "usr can't create
> /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/.seq". This is with the permissions on that file set to
> rw_rw_r as the HOWTO says. I tried changing the permissions to rw_rw_rw but
> then a user gets the message "usr can't create
> /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/tfA006Aa01777". As far as I know I have the permissions
> set correctly in all the directories leading to this file, but this seems
> like a permission problem. I'm stuck!

I'm not sure what you mean that dselect didn't set up the printer 
"correctly", in this sense:  the various files and directories for 
lpr and lpd can be configured in any one of several ways,
using a variety of approaches.  The HOWTO's refer to Linux in general, and
not to the Debian distribution in particular.  Debian uses these 
permissions for directories in /usr/spool/lpd:

drwxrwsr-x   2 root     lp           1024 Jul 27 14:20 lp1/
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     lp           1024 Aug  7 16:15 lp2/

where lp1 and lp2 correspond to 2 different stanzas in /etc/printcap.

User 'lp' is defined this way in /etc/passwd:
lp:*:7:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/bin/sh

and group 'lp is defined this way in /etc/group:
lp:*:7:lp

If you've changed many of those things, you might want to try the
settings above and see if they work.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> >When installing gpm, I set my mouse device to /dev/ttys0... Then, I =
> >pointed everything else that wanted a mouse device to /dev/mouse.  =
> 
> What is the difference between
> 
> /dev/ttys1, /dev/cua1 and /dev/mouse (a soft link)
> 
> and when should each be used?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)
> 
> 

Mark,

This is an old explanation that I'm not sure still holds
true, but ...

A cu device is for DCE devices (Data Communications
Equiptment), basically modems, etc.  A tty device is for DTE
devices (Data Terminal Equiptment), basically terminals,
serial input devices (mice), etc.  The /dev/mouse should be
a link to /dev/ttyxx where xx is probably S0 or S1, etc.
You don't need to have /dev/mouse to have the mouse work,
its just there to conveniently identify the mouse port.

I hope that's helpful, and if anybody knows a better, more
modern explanation, please do :-)

Good luck!

Richard G. Roberto
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I've compiled custom kernels that weren't part of any debian
distribution yet (2.0.7 patched with aic7xxx fixes).  In
/var/adm/messages there's a complaint that the booting kernel couldn't
read the map.  Checking old /var/adm/messages, it appears that what's
wanted is the file System.map which appears to be in the directory
where I built the kernel.

How should I set things up so this file is found?  Also, how serious
is it when it's not found?

A third question.  I noticed a file called "debian-rules" in  the
source directory for one of the distribution kernels.  Should I use
this to make a debian-style installation of my custom kernel, or only
if I want to make a particular custom kernel into a debian package?
If I should use it, what extra files (besides kernel-2.x.x.tar.gz) do
I need?

Thanks

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 wb2oyc@cyberenet.net wrote:

> Thanks for the try Guy, but no help there.  Been there, done that.  The
> remove (or forced install) doesn't work either, for the same reason.
> The prerem and/or the postrem script fails.  Actually, I thought the force
> option would be the answer, but I haven't been successful with it yet.

You'll have to examine the prerm or postrm in question to see why it
fails.  You'll then have to correct the problem so you can remove the
package.  Be sure and file a bug report explaining the problem.


Guy


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Steve Gaarder wrote:
> 
> I am installing Debian 1.1.1 on a generic clone with an AMD 486 on an
> Opti-based motherboard.  If I have the internal cache enabled in setup,
> I get the error "invalid compressed format" after the "uncompressing
> Linux" message.  If I disable the cache, it boots fine.  It boots ok
> from the hard drive either way.  Anyone know what is going on?
> 
> thanks,

I had this problem when I used EDO RAM on a motherboard that did not
support EDO...just a thought

mike cotherman


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Steve Gaarder wrote: 
> I am installing Debian 1.1.1 on a generic clone with an AMD 486 on an
> Opti-based motherboard.  If I have the internal cache enabled in setup,
> I get the error "invalid compressed format" after the "uncompressing
> Linux" message.  If I disable the cache, it boots fine.  It boots ok
> from the hard drive either way.  Anyone know what is going on?

This message indicates that incorrect data was read from the floppy.
Since disabling the cache fixes it, you have verified that the floppy
itself contains valid data and the problem comes after that.

Guy Maor: 
> Try to enable it but make the timings more conservative.
> You're probably seeing hardware problems; your L2 cache is being
> addressed too quickly.

Good idea. Try it. I have another suggestion if that does not work. If
I am not mistaken, loading the root disk is the first place where the
Linux floppy driver is used. The boot disk is read using BIOS. Try to
exercise the floppy from Linux with your cache enabled by writing a
large file to it, popping out and re-inserting the floppy, and reading
back the file. Use "md5sum" to see if the data matches. Don't forget
to pop out and replace the floppy - the data could be read from a disk
block cache rather than the floppy if you don't do that. This block cache
has nothing to do with the cache you are enabling and disabling. If
there's a problem, I would suspect the Linux floppy driver (which
sometimes needs to be tuned for various systems), but it could be
something that is solved by changing a DMA speed setting in your BIOS
set-up menu as well.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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To: mark@maths.flinders.edu.au (Mark Phillips)
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Mark Phillips wrote:
: 
: >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
: >      dpkg -l *tex*
: I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
: bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
: under the two shells?

Under sh-lish shells `*' expands to all files, if any, or to '*'
itsself, if no files/dirs match.

Under csh-lish shells `*' expands to all files, if any, or to _nothing_
(and a note `no match') if nothing matches.

AFAIK ...

    Heiko
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We have a Sun lab where all the home directories are automounted using
Sun's 'automount' command. Now we're adding 20 Debian boxes to this lab.

The home directories are all 'automounted' under /home/users (so user
'foo' has home dir /home/users/foo). Where to get each home dir is
described by the NIS map 'auto.home'. Entries in the map look like this:

foo	orion.ee.mcgill.ca:/.home.9/&

where user 'foo' is the NIS key for the map and
'orion.ee.mcgill.ca:/.home.9' is where foo's home dir is located.

How do I get amd to work with that setup?

Please help... We need to get this working... and we need it bad.

  Christian


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In article <XFMail.960806223514.wb2oyc@cyberenet.net>,
	wb2oyc@cyberenet.net writes:
>I've managed to get myself in a catch-22 kind of dilemma.  In an effort
>to get a working 2.0.0 kernel with the proper options to support IP
>masquerading, somehow or other both my kernel-image and kernel-source
>packages have gotten to a state where I'm stuck fast!  I cannot
>successfully build a kernel at this point, and I can't remove or reinstall 
>either of the packages.  Attempting to reinstall results in errors 
>during the prerem or postrem scripts for both the source and image
>package.  Attempting to remove, errors with a recommendation to reinstall
>(which fails of course!--hence the dilemma) before attempting to remove!
>I am stuck in that proverbial hard place.............
>

I had the same problem with a virgin Debian 1.1 installation.  I
investigated and found that the kernel-image/kernel-source postinst 
and prerm scripts reference "#! /bin/perl".

However, on my virgin Debian 1.1 installation, there was no
symlink from /bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl!  I manually created the
symlink and that fixed the problem.

I've been meaning to report this as a bug - but I haven't figured out
how to do that yet...

- Jim



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In your email to me, Mark Phillips, you wrote:
> 
> >  Mark> Is there any way for mirror to discern timezone differences and
> >  Mark> adjust times accordingly?  If the answer is no, then surely we should
> >  Mark> ask all debian mirrors not to alter time stamps?
> >
> >We could try to persuade _all_ mirrors to use
> >	use_timelocal=false
> 
> This suggestions seems very sensible.  Is there an official way to
> persuade?

Easy! (In my case) Done on sun10.sep.bnl.gov and llug2.sep.bnl.gov.
Both are updating the time/date stamps off master.debian.org right
now.

Tim

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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, chris beamis wrote:

> 
> 2. another problem, which I didn't have under Slackware, is using a .profile
> in the user's home area. I have just one line in it, "alias 'lo'=exit" which
> has always worked before but the lo commanded doesn't get recognized. I also
> tried renaming the file to .login but still no luck. Any ideas?
> 

This line should look like:

alias lo='exit'

but NOT like:

alias 'lo'=exit

Did it work?!?!?!?!?


Leszek Gerwatowski
TG S.A
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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, David C Winters wrote:

> 
> 	Now, to explain the question, since I can't understand the 
> Subject: line and I wrote it myself...
> 
> 	I've got approximately 50 machines I need to build.  My best 
> option for the initial system build, unless I've missed something, would 
> be to run deselect on one machine, then take a deselect-generated file 
> containing my selections and exporting that file to all the other 
> machines, so I can just start up dselect and choose "Install" without 
> having to go through "Select" on each.
> 	How can I accomplish this?  Which file(s) do I need to export in 
> order to make this happen?  And, is there a better way to achieve the 
> same results?
> 
I would suggest you look at UpGrade and base_list in the upgrades
directory. The script was written to upgrade the base section, but is
general in nature and will run on any list you make. If you start with the
base system list, you can add the other packages you wish to upgrade. It
is your responsibility to deal with depends (that is, packages that
another package depends on must appear in the list first), but once you
have a list that works, you only need to copy the script and the list to
the other machines you wish to upgrade and run it. Since the script checks
to see whether the package on the list has already been upgraded, you can
continue to use the list, into the indefinate future, to do incremental
upgrades as new versions of packages become available, or you can wait
till the next release and use your old list. Any packages you wish to add
to your installation just goes into the list in the proper place to obtain
all it's dependancy needs.

Check it out and let me know if it will work for you,

Dwarf

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It seems that I have nearly conquered my uucp and sendmail installation.
Thanks to the contribution of this list, no doubt.
Receiving mail works like a charm. Outbound mail gets queued as one might
expect. Uucico does its jobs. Log files show my mail has left my machine. It
just does not arrive at its destination! As I said, nearly perfect.
The only difference I notice between my new setup and my old
Slackware/HDB/sendmail configuration is that uustat -a gives:

        Executing rmail ncm.nl!eme      with the new box

        Executing rmail eme@ncm.nl      with the old configuration

As far as I know both should be valid. I really have no clue as to what goes
on, I do not even get some sort of bounce (after eight hours that is).
I was hoping anyone out here might have an idea as to what might still be
wrong. My sendmail.mc file is listed below, just in case.

Thanks all for any comment!

Erik van der Meulen
erik@avondel.xs4all.nl
eme@ncm.nl

--------------------------------------------------
#
# This file is used to configure sendmail for use with Debian systems.
#

divert(0)
VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc      8.7 (Linux) 3/5/96')
OSTYPE(debian)dnl
FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl
FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl
FEATURE(redirect)dnl
FEATURE(nodns)dnl
define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `1d')dnl
MAILER(local)dnl
MAILER(smtp)dnl
Cwavondel.xs4all.nl
MASQUERADE_AS(avondel.xs4all.nl)dnl

## Custom configurations below (will be preserved)

MAILER(uucp)dnl
define(`SMART_HOST', uucp:xs4all)
--------------------------------------------------

My setup:

        ISP is called:      xs4all.nl
        UUCP node:          avondel


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>Tim O'Brien wrote:
>
>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is a problem with the
>> Diamond card. If memory serves me well, Diamond does not publicize code
>> to drive their cards without signing a non-disclosure agreement. Since
>> Linux includes all source code under GNU, this would break the NDA and
>> cause all sortsa trouble.
>
>Well You wrong ..  :)... It was just that you had to invoke a -bpp 16
>switch when you started X... BUT I think your answer still applys
>for the Matrox cards... Diamond was like that before (2 years ago or so)

Ok, I stand corrected. As a matter of fact, I think it was probably about 
2 years or so ago that I heard this. 

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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> >      dpkg -l *tex*
> 
> I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
> bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
> under the two shells?

Yes, there is a difference when the globbing doesn't expand to
anything.  In this case bash passes the word with the wildcards while
tcsh just errors.  For example:

$ ls
$ echo *tex*
*tex*
$ ./nosuchfile *tex*
bash: ./nosuchfile: No such file or directory.
$ tcsh
> echo *tex*
echo: No match.
> ./nosuchfile *tex*
./nosuchfile: No match.

tcsh is pretty broken to issue make it seem as if commands that don't
exist are issuing errors.


Guy


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> 
> I've been asked which graphics card to get for a purchase of 5
> systems to run Linux.  There are a lot of new cards out there
> and new versions of cards I was familiar with but enough has
> changed that I'm not sure exactly what to specify.
> 
> I and some friends have Mach64 cards at home that we bought about
> a year ago and are very hapily running Debian Linux on but what
> would I specify to get a XFree86 X-Server compatible graphics
> card now?
> 
> If you have a recomendation for a _specific_ model of graphics
> card that you know works (1280x1024x256), please let me know.
> It will speed my search.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> David M. Cooke                                   d.m.cooke@larc.nasa.gov
> 

I have one of the newer Mach64 cards.  From what I've heard basically
all of the Mach64 cards are supported by the latest versions of
XFree86.  I must point out though that the Mach64 cards that are
about 1 year old work just great with the current release of
XFree86 but that the ones that are about 6 months old or so are
only supported by the newest current beta release of the server.
So, if you are planning to get Mach64 cards.. you shouldn't have
a problem getting them to work but you will have to use the newest
beta release of XFree86 which I don't believe is currently available
in the Debian release.

Cheers!
Richard..

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jay@elec.gla.ac.uk writes:

> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> During installation I was prompted to select some modules to
> install.
> 
> I wanted nfs but it replied
> 
> 	nfs_mknod undefined
> 	nfs_sillyrename_create undefined
> 	nfs_create undefined undefined
> 	nfs_mkdir undefined undefined
> 	nfs_lookup_cache undefined undefined
> 	nfs_rename undefined undefined
> 	nfs_lookup undefined undefined
> 	nfs_nfs_rmdir undefined undefined
> 	nfs_link undefined
> 	nfs_refresh_inode undefined
> 	nfs_symlink undefined
> 	nfs_unlink undefined
> 	Loading failed ! The module symbols 
> 	(from linux-2.0.6) don't match your linux-2.0.6
> 	Installation failed
> 
> For the internet protocol drivers it said:
> 	Can't locate module console
> 
> And for my ne2000 card:
> 	ne.c : Module autoprobing not allowed
> 	append "io=0xNNN" values
> 
> 	(Howabout pointer to Ethernet Howto in Installation doc
> 	where values to try above can be found)
> 
> I also tried (with identical results):
> 	modprobe -t fs nfs.o
> 
> 
> Fortunatly, can still use computer since didn't overwrite
> previous system.  However, can't install Debian since cannot
> mount the nfs drive where distribution will be kept.
> 


I get exactly the same set of problems and also have a half-formed 1.1
system. Any help is certainly appreciated.

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At 05:49 PM 8/7/96 -0400, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:
>
>Hi Chris --
>
>You said:
>> I tried to post to the linux.debian.user newsgroup without success.
>There isn't any newsgroup -- just this mailing list.
>

There is a group called linux.debian.user that I can access with my
News Xpress program operating under Win3.1. I just checked to be sure
and all the messages in this thread were there. Is it just a mirror
of this mail group and not a real newsgroup?



>I'm not sure what you mean that dselect didn't set up the printer 
>"correctly", in this sense:  the various files and directories for 
>lpr and lpd can be configured in any one of several ways,
>using a variety of approaches.  The HOWTO's refer to Linux in general, and
>not to the Debian distribution in particular.  Debian uses these 
>permissions for directories in /usr/spool/lpd:
>
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     lp           1024 Jul 27 14:20 lp1/
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     lp           1024 Aug  7 16:15 lp2/
>
>where lp1 and lp2 correspond to 2 different stanzas in /etc/printcap.
>
>User 'lp' is defined this way in /etc/passwd:
>lp:*:7:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/bin/sh
>
>and group 'lp is defined this way in /etc/group:
>lp:*:7:lp
>
>If you've changed many of those things, you might want to try the
>settings above and see if they work.
>
>Good luck,
>Susan Kleinmann
>

What I meant when I said that lpr didn't work was simply that when
I tried using it nothing came out of the printer. I didn't try to
diagnose it, I just set up the way I always have in the past.
I'm preparing to try these hints plus all the others I've received
and will report back.

Thanks

Chris Beamis
>


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So what was the decision about /bin/perl, and the packages that depend
on it right now (kernel-*, etc).  Should it be a symlink, or should
these packages just be fixed?

Just wanted to know so know whether or not I should create the link or
patch the scripts on my systems.

Thanks
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At 01:33 PM 8/8/96 +0800, Lindsay Allen wrote:

>2)  Something amiss with hostname.  When I boot I get the message:
>        none: Host name lookup failure

I came across the same thing. A closer look at /etc/init.d/network learned
that if one selects 'none' for the Gateway, an entry GATEWAY=none is added
to this file.
The:

        route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1

command results in the message you encountered. 
This seems like a minor bug in the script to me, but is easily overcome by
changing 'none' in your system ip-number. Or am I committing a sin against
the laws of ip here?

Success,

Erik van der Meulen
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I have installed Linux (Debian 1.1) on a friend's computer, 
but can't get X to work as it complains about not being able to 
find the mouse.

The system is a Gateway 2000 DX2/66  with Cirrus Logic 5434
and what seems to be a "PS/2" mouse.

I have linked /dev/mouse -> /dev/psmouse (-> /dev/psaux)
and set Protocol and Device in XF86Config to "PS/2" and
"/dev/mouse" respectively.

Any help would be appreciated, 

Mark Johnston (M.E.Johnston@damtp.cam.ac.uk)


PS: Does anybody know if PS/2 mouse support is in the default kernel in 
Debian 1.1.3 ?? Is this a valid question ?





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On Thu, 08 Aug 1996 10:34:27 +1000 Mark Phillips (mark@maths.flinders.
edu.au) wrote:
> >It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
> >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
> >
> >      dpkg -l *tex*
> 
> I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
> bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
> under the two shells?

By default, bash expands shell metacharacters (*?[]) only if they're a match ({} rules are the exception, they're always expanded). Otherwise, bash passes the metacharacters to the invoked program.
Tcsh will complain and abort if it cannot expand some metacharacters. You need to quote them.

Solution: always quote shell metacharacters when you want to pass them to a program.

Phil.



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Hi folks, this list is not very active so no one would have
noticed that the debian-talk incarnation of majordomo was not
working for the last few weeks. Hehe, we installed debian on
the list servers host... and, in short, messed up with the
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Success!

Thanks to everyone's copious outpouring of hints and advice, I easily fixed
both my .profile and my printing problems.

1. I'm using bash and sure enough both the .bash_profile and .bashrc files
were sitting right there in the user's home directory waiting to be noticed.
I'm guessing that Slackware must not install those files there which is why
I didn't have this problem previously.

2. I fixed the problem of the user not being able to print by fixing
ownerships and permissions, namely:

  rwxrwsr_x   root   lp     /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p

and changed the five files, /usr/spool/lpd/hp4p/.seq, /errs, /input_filter,
/lock and /status to ownership root.lp. (Under Slackware these ownerships
were root.daemon).

Thanks again for all the help.
Warning, I hope everyone realizes now that I will return with many more
problems now that these two are fixed. But not now, got to go to work.

Chris Beamis


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Hey everyone,

Ught.. Ummmm... Ohhh...

Heh, I  have a problem.
I got a virus on my Windows partition ( And YES I did scan it first with
norton ).
But After I debugged, and fixed as much as I could, everything looked
good...
But now on boot up - LILO dosent show... It just boots into win - blows (
oops, I meant Wondows ;). Is there some string or sommand I enter in
somewhere ? any advice ?
( Please take in mind I have only had Linux for about 3 weeks ).

Aron 
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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Dominik Kubla wrote:

>=20
> Look at /usr/doc/amd there is a (untested!) script to convert automount t=
o
> amd maps.

Err. doesn't seem to be in my /usr/doc/amd:

sysadmin@chloe:[/usr/doc/amd] #ls -la
total 5
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Jun 13 09:37 ./
drwxr-xr-x 105 root     root         3072 Aug  2 13:50 ../
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          635 May 18 16:31 KNOWN_BUGS

sysadmin@chloe:[/usr/doc/amd] #dpkg -l amd
Desired=3DUnknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=3DNot/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=3D(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=3Dboth-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=3Dbad)
||/ Name            Version        Description
+++-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
ii  amd             upl102-3       The 4.4BSD automounter.

=2E.. And 'upl102-3' is the most recent version on ftp.debian.org (and
there's no amd waiting in Incoming). A script would nice... what would
have been nicer is if they had been compatible with each other. But hey,
this is Unix. They *had* to be incompatible, just for the princple of the
thing. <sigh>

Btw, could explain to me the format of amd's map... The manpage isn't very
verbose on the topic:

       Lookups within the speci=AD
       fied directories are handled by amd, which  uses  the  map
       defined by mapname to determine how to resolve the lookup.
       Generally, this will  be  a  host  name,  some  filesystem
       information  and some mount options for the given filesys=AD
       tem.

The last sentence is all we get for a description of the format. (In fact
I'm very much tempted to file that as a bug against amd. Can I? :-) ) It's
a bit like saying the fstab format is a "generally a device, a mount point
and some mount options"... *not* good enough if you've never seen a fstab.=
=20

 Thanks in advance for your help...

     Christian



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On 8 Aug 1996, Kai Grossjohann wrote:

> Type `route' and see what kinds of routes you have.  I had to add the
> following command to my /etc/ppp/ip-up script:
> 
>     route add -net default ippp0

Putting `default' in /etc/ppp/options should also work.


Guy


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> >It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
> >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
> >
> >      dpkg -l *tex*
> 
> I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
> bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
> under the two shells?

'*tex*' works with both shells. bash will not replace a clobber pattern with
the empty string if no match is found, tcsh does (AFAIK).

bash(1)
#   Pathname Expansion
#       After word splitting, unless the -f option has  been  set,
#       bash  scans  each word for the characters *, ?, and [.  If
#       one of these characters appears, then the word is regarded
#       as  a  pattern, and replaced with an alphabetically sorted
#       list of pathnames matching the pattern.   If  no  matching
#       pathnames    are    found,    and   the   shell   variable
#       allow_null_glob_expansion  is  unset,  the  word  is  left
#       unchanged.   If  the  variable  is set, and no matches are
#       found, the word is removed.  When a pattern  is  used  for
#       pathname  generation, the character `.''  at the start of
#       a name or immediately following a slash  must  be  matched
#       explicitly,  unless  the shell variable glob_dot_filenames
#       is set.   The  slash  character  must  always  be  matched
#       explicitly.   In  other cases, the `.''  character is not
#       treated specially.

and

bash(1) set
#              -u      Treat unset variables as an error when per-
#                      forming parameter expansion.  If  expansion
#                      is  attempted  on  an  unset  variable, the
#                      shell prints an error message, and, if  not
#                      interactive,  exits with a non-zero status.
#

Greetings
Bernd
-- 
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In article <199608080611.QAA10285@mdw072.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Stuart Lamble  <sjlam1@mdw072.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>Actually, linux.debian.user exists, but it appears to be a gateway from
>the mailing list to USENET - it doesn't seem to work the other way
>around. :-( I can read from it, but it doesn't seem to reach the mailing
>list if I post to it.

Indeed you cannot post to it. The linux.* groups should be set as
_moderated_ groups, and you'll have to have a few special addresses in
your moderators file. I'll include them below. Fix your news server
or ask your provider to fix it.

Proof of this is that I _am_ writing this from trn :)


# Linux moderators host.
linux.act.*:linux-submit@ratatosk.yggdrasil.com
linux.*:submit-%s@ratatosk.yggdrasil.com


Mike.
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From: Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com>
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Hi!

I've mirrored most of the debian distribution, and I've gone thru the 
select process in dselect. Basically I'm ready to perform a full upgrade 
to Debian-1.1 now.

But I'm still weary of doing it because I don't want to have much 
downtime since my server is used for others dialing in.

My main question is: Debian-1.1 is all ELF. My current system is a.out, 
including the kernel. If I go ahead with the upgrade from dselect, will 
my current 1.2.13-a.out kernel still be useable once the upgrade is complete?
Or will I have to upgrade the kernel as well (which means I'd have to 
immediately reboot the server).

I want to be able to go thru with the upgrade but not reboot immediately. 
I want to keep the server running while I go thru the kernel upgrade 
process (like compiling a new 2.0.x kernel).

Also, will the current mgetty and pppd I have (a.out) work with the 
upgraded Debian? I will still upgrade those, but, similar to the kernel 
issue, I'd like to be able to continue using my current mgetty/pppd setup 
and upgrade those in a timely fasion.

Suggestions are welcome! :)

Ricardo


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I installed Debian Linux 1.1 on my new Pentium Pro a couple of weeks ago.  so
far everything mostly works great, but I've noticed that the chat program
seems to have a number of problems:

- If I put ABORT "NO CARRIER" in my script, it sometimes erroneously aborts
  when it sees a "CARRIER 28800" message (but works most of the time).

- If I put "quiet" flags (\q) on both my username and password strings, it
  only recognizes the first one, i.e., it puts my password into the log file!

- I tried to put a second "TIMEOUT" string into the script, to make it shorter
  after the initial prompt was detected, but instead of taking it as a timeout
  directive, it just looks for the string "TIMEOUT" coming over the
  connection.

Has anyone else noticed similar problems?  I'm going to take a look at the
source, and will fix the bug if I find it.

-Randy
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Greetings .. 

Has anyone had any luck getting the real audio client to run on your Debina
Linux Box.  I'm not sure if there is some sort of sound driver
incompatibility or not, but I've tried installing the most recent kernel
2.0.6 (from debian source) and the most recent USS/Lite sound driver.

Whenever the real audio client tries to run all I get is static.

I am using the most recent debian packages (stable) 

TIA,
Michael


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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 salwen@phys2.harvard.edu wrote:

> > ... Don't forget
> >to pop out and replace the floppy - the data could be read from a disk
> >block cache rather than the floppy if you don't do that. ...
> 
> Does this note mean that one can replace floppy disks without unmounting
> and mounting in between?  Or were the 'umount' and 'mount' implied by
> "pop out"?  If they were, wouldn't the 'umount' and 'mount' alone be 
> sufficient without physically removing the disk?

There are other ways to get data from a floppy besides mounting and
unmounting, mtools or just raw data (ie - dd).  Those could be fooled
but shouldn't be on most floppy drive.  Use fdflush if you're nervous.


Guy


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> ... Don't forget
>to pop out and replace the floppy - the data could be read from a disk
>block cache rather than the floppy if you don't do that. ...

Does this note mean that one can replace floppy disks without unmounting
and mounting in between?  Or were the 'umount' and 'mount' implied by
"pop out"?  If they were, wouldn't the 'umount' and 'mount' alone be 
sufficient without physically removing the disk?

Just Curious


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Simon Shapiro of I-Connect and I both had serious family emergencies
at the same time. I lost about a week of work time, I don't know how
much Simon is losing. Please bear with us if you are waiting for a CD.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On 8 Aug 1996, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:

> Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
> 
> > I just got xanim compiled on my system with full for cinepack and indeo 
> > enconding, I also compiled in sound, but I have no idea if it works since 
> > I don't have a sound card on my linux box.  If anyone want it, I will try 
> > to put it together as a package.  It should be pretty easy just one file 
> > is neccesary to run it.  
> 
> Please be sure to check on the redistributability of the cinepak and
> indeo code---I'm not sure it can be redistributed _at all_, and I'm
> fairly certain that it would have to go in non-free.
> 
> Which isn't to say I wouldn't like to see the package---just that this
> is one that probably needs all its proverbial ts crossed and is dotted.
> 
> Mike.
> 
I talked to Mark Podlipec, the author, and he said that there should be 
no problem of just giving the binary away, the only problem is if you 
give away the .o files that you download form Mark's ftp site and compile 
in.  If I were to give those away I would have to distribute the copyright 
notices also.  

However, it still has to be in the non-free section because Mark's copyright 
says that only non-commercial use is permitted.

I will include the copyright notices for all the included software 
though, to be on the safe side, even though Mark said it isn't neccessary.

Shaya
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    About that uucp SMART_HOST line again, try using the uucp-dom mailer
rather than the std. uucp mailer.  It uses the smtp mailer rules for rewriting
envelope addresses.  Aside from that, youd have to show uucico logs for both
sides to make sure the mail was still addressed correctly on the server side.

-- 
=======================================================================
= Randall Shutt                                                       =
= RaveNet Systems, Inc                                                =
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Mark Edward Johnston wrote:
> 
> I have installed Linux (Debian 1.1) on a friend's computer,
> but can't get X to work as it complains about not being able to
> find the mouse.
> 
> The system is a Gateway 2000 DX2/66  with Cirrus Logic 5434
> and what seems to be a "PS/2" mouse.
> 
> I have linked /dev/mouse -> /dev/psmouse (-> /dev/psaux)
> and set Protocol and Device in XF86Config to "PS/2" and
> "/dev/mouse" respectively.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated,
> 
> Mark Johnston (M.E.Johnston@damtp.cam.ac.uk)
> 
> PS: Does anybody know if PS/2 mouse support is in the default kernel in
> Debian 1.1.3 ?? Is this a valid question ?

As I and a friend frieend with a Gateway 2000 have finally
discovered, that is a very good question.  No, PS/2 mouse
support is not in not compiled in and doesn't appear to be
available as a module.  You'll need to reconfigure and
recompile.  Once you have installed the kernel-source
package you want, follow the directions in
/usr/src/linux/debian.README.

I hope this helps.


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Mark Phillips writes:
 > >It would be helpful if you could tell us what version of the packages
 > >you have installed.  For example, if you would run this commands:
 > >
 > >      dpkg -l *tex*
 > 
 > I noticed that this doesn't work under tcsh, but does work under
 > bash.  Is there a difference between how the * character is treated
 > under the two shells?

It differs from shell to shell and even within a given shell:

	marin215# tcsh
	# echo *tex*
	echo: No match.
	# set nonomatch
	# echo *tex*
	*tex*
	#

In csh, having nonomatch set asks the shell not to say it can't do a
wildcard expansion but rather to pass the argument (as if it was
quoted, then) to the command.

The surest way to get consistent results is to quote ;-)

Yves.


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Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu> writes:

> So what was the decision about /bin/perl, and the packages that depend
> on it right now (kernel-*, etc).  Should it be a symlink, or should
> these packages just be fixed?
>
> Just wanted to know so know whether or not I should create the link or
> patch the scripts on my systems.

The Linux FSSTND 1.2 clearly says:

    /usr/bin/perl, /usr/bin/python, and /usr/bin/tcl should reference
    the perl, python, and tcl shell interpreters, respectively.  They
    may be symlinks to the physical location of the shell interpreters.

It would make sense to have scripts access it where you can expect it.
FSSTND compliant Perl scripts would definitely use /usr/bin/perl.

Dan
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Michael Alan Dorman writes:
-> Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
-> 
-> > I just got xanim compiled on my system with full for cinepack and indeo 
-> > enconding, I also compiled in sound, but I have no idea if it works since 
-> > I don't have a sound card on my linux box.  If anyone want it, I will try 
-> > to put it together as a package.  It should be pretty easy just one file 
-> > is neccesary to run it.  
-> 
-> Please be sure to check on the redistributability of the cinepak and
-> indeo code---I'm not sure it can be redistributed _at all_, and I'm
-> fairly certain that it would have to go in non-free.

xanim compiled with the cinepack and indeo codecs would almost
certainly have to go in as non-free.  As a matter of fact, the
cinepack and indeo codecs are not distributed as source, but as object
files.  Not sure what the 'rules' are regarding that.

-Larry

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if you prefer the bash behavior of ignoring the pattern failure, just
	set nonomatch
in tcsh or csh.


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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Mark Edward Johnston wrote:

>
> I have installed Linux (Debian 1.1) on a friend's computer,
> but can't get X to work as it complains about not being able to
> find the mouse.
>
> The system is a Gateway 2000 DX2/66  with Cirrus Logic 5434
> and what seems to be a "PS/2" mouse.
>
> I have linked /dev/mouse -> /dev/psmouse (-> /dev/psaux)
> and set Protocol and Device in XF86Config to "PS/2" and
> "/dev/mouse" respectively.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> Mark Johnston (M.E.Johnston@damtp.cam.ac.uk)
>
>
> PS: Does anybody know if PS/2 mouse support is in the default kernel in
> Debian 1.1.3 ?? Is this a valid question ?
>
>
>
>
>
PS/2 support is not there for 1.1.2.  I suspect it is not there for 1.1.3.
To get it you will have to use a special kernel or compile one yourself.

Lots of people seem to have problems getting PS2 mice up.  My Gateway +
PS2 worked fine under Slackware 3.0, but I still can't get it to work
under Debian.  I have tried all the stuff that you tried plus
compiling a custom kernel (with the Debian source package) but no dice.
My (admittedly cowardly) solution: cheap serial mouse.

Mike



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Randy Gobbel <gobbel@zakros.ucsd.edu> writes:

> I installed Debian Linux 1.1 on my new Pentium Pro a couple of weeks ago.  so
> far everything mostly works great, but I've noticed that the chat program
> seems to have a number of problems:

Just a personal experience: I had all kinds of trouble with the modem
that came with my Gateway 2000 (the Telepath internal -- almost a
Sportster, made by USR for Gateway).  I had dropped connections, chat
problems with recognizing REPORT and ABORT strings, etc.  When I
recently replaced it with an external Courier, *all* the problems
vanished.

Anyone want a cheap internal modem :>
--
Rob


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Hi again all,

  This is a narrowing-down question to my earlier post.  What does it
mean when gpm gives me the following error message:

  gpm: /dev/inportbm: No such device

  The file /dev/inportbm clearly exists, it is character special (10,2) and
it does have appropriate ownership and permissions.  So what does the error
"No such device" mean?

  Thanks.

-jj


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Thanks to all the Debian L'ers for the suggestions on how to
deal with this problem, especially Dwarf, Guy, Jim and Heiko.
I did manage to correctly get a fresh source and image installed
by using Heiko's suggestion (or a very close version of it)!  I 
changed the status file to read " purge ok not-installed" and 
that did fake out dpkg.  Thanks guys!  Appreciate all the help.

But, now, another has shown up!  You guys are gonna get tired
of me stumbling around.  Seems if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have
none at all.  My CD is on a SB16 card.  I've told the new kernel
NOT to load modules (N to kerneld) and somehow, what is now
happening is SB driver loads during boot, and then later in the
boot process I see loading modules, and you guessed it, it loads
sbpcd as a module also!  Only the module doesn't see the line
passed to the kernel specifying the parameters for sbpcd, so it
polls for every darn possible address and clone drive!  Now my
systems takes about ten minutes to boot!   Almost as long as my
Vax's at work! :-)

Anyone tell me what question I answered wrong to cause this?

Paul


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In your email to me, Stuart Lamble, you wrote:
> 
> In article <199608072149.RAA29061@sgk.tiac.net> Susan Kleinmann wrote:
> : 
> : Hi Chris --
> : 
> : You said:
> : > I tried to post to the linux.debian.user newsgroup without success.
> 
> : There isn't any newsgroup -- just this mailing list.
> 
> Actually, linux.debian.user exists, but it appears to be a gateway from
> the mailing list to USENET - it doesn't seem to work the other way
> around. :-( I can read from it, but it doesn't seem to reach the mailing
> list if I post to it.

Ah... then your news person doesn't have the news set up correctly.
The list is moderated, so it should get mailed when you try to post
to it.

Tim

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On 8 Aug 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> 
> So what was the decision about /bin/perl, and the packages that depend
> on it right now (kernel-*, etc).  Should it be a symlink, or should
> these packages just be fixed?

In a nutshell, all perl scripts should use /usr/bin/perl, *not* /bin/perl.

  Christian



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I get the following when I eval color-ls, but do not get colors...
As you can see, I did do the color=yes thingy
any help would be appreciated...


LS_COLORS='no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:ex=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=01;32:*.btm=01;32:*.bat=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:';
export LS_COLORS;
LS_OPTIONS='--8bit --color=tty -F';
export LS_OPTIONS;
alias ls='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS ';
alias dir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=vertical';
alias vdir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=long';
alias d=dir;
alias v=vdir;

Thank you, mike cotherman
mjcother@ij.net


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Why has this been on the ftp site for weeks now? NFS installation
is all we do around here and the "fixed" version is one that does
not work.

Mr A Birdi (msrbsab@cs6400.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: 
: Dear users,
: 
: This is in reply to some of the queries regarding the nfs module in
: version 2.0.6 of the kernel. At least two people have responded with
: the advice to recompile the kernel which seems to be a succesful
: approach. 
: 
: I have discovered however that the problem lies with the module nfs.o
: itself. Lazaro Salem (Lazaro.Salem@rf.no) was kind enough to send me
: his recompiled version of nfs.o which works fine with the kernel 
: supplied with Debian 1.1.3. Thus, a solution to the problem is to
: merely recompile the module and not necessarilly the entire kernel. If
: there is enough interest, I can upload the nfs.o module which Lazaro
: supplied to me to some public site until the Debian maintainers fix
: the problem. Please write me if you would like this to happen.
: 
: Alvin
: 
: -- 
:     -------------------------------------------------------------
:    | Alvin Birdi                    Email: alvin.birdi@man.ac.uk |
:    | School of Economic Studies     Tel: 0161 275-4791           |
:    | University of Manchester       Fax: 0161 275-4812           |
:    | Manchester M13 9PL  UK                                      |
:     -------------------------------------------------------------
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> On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Mike Taylor wrote:
> Lots of people seem to have problems getting PS2 mice up.  My Gateway +
> PS2 worked fine under Slackware 3.0, but I still can't get it to work
> under Debian.  I have tried all the stuff that you tried plus
> compiling a custom kernel (with the Debian source package) but no dice.
> My (admittedly cowardly) solution: cheap serial mouse.

My experience is that there are a couple of good hardware reasons for 
getting serial mice instead of PS/2 mice:
-- we accidentally fried a BIOS chip by delivering a static charge through 
   a PS/2 mouse.  This has never happened with a serial mouse,
   and leads me to suspect that the PS/2 connector (or at least the connector 
   we used to have on our R.I.P. Asus '486 motherboard) is less robust against 
   static than an serial connector.
-- removing the PS/2 mouse frees up an IRQ.
-- one never knows if/when PS/2 mouse is going to be available in a 
   downloaded kernel, whereas serial support is virtually always there.

I have had some problems with some serial mice though, particularly those
cheap ones which change their state when the power goes off.

Cheers,
Susan Kleinmann


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> 
> Err. doesn't seem to be in my /usr/doc/amd:
> 

Ah, silly me. That should have been /usr/doc/examples/amd ...

As for the documentation, try 'info amd'.

Yours,
  Dominik Kubla


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 > - If I put "quiet" flags (\q) on both my username and password strings, it
 >   only recognizes the first one, i.e., it puts my password into the log file!

I have only one \q for my passwd, and it's in the log file too :-(.
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 > - If I put "quiet" flags (\q) on both my username and password strings, it
 >   only recognizes the first one, i.e., it puts my password into the log file!

I have only one \q for my passwd, and it's in the log file too :-(.
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Hi,

in case some MBONE maniac is out there...

I've just modified the 2.0.6 kernel for multicast support, and I started
mrouted ver 3.8. It looked fine, and we manage to establish a "tunnel"
with another remote machine connected with the rest of MBONE. But every
time I start vat or nv on a machine in the same local network where the
Linux mrouted runs, the Linux box crashes leaving a lot of messages in
/var/log/messages, starting with: 

Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: general protection: 0000
Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: CPU:    0
Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: EIP:    0010:[<00143c9b>]
Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
...
Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: Aiee, killing interrupt handler
Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: kfree of non-kmalloced memory:
...

Can somebody help me?

fabrizio


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> Heh, I  have a problem.
> I got a virus on my Windows partition ( And YES I did scan it first with
> norton ).
> But After I debugged, and fixed as much as I could, everything looked
> good...
> But now on boot up - LILO dosent show... It just boots into win - blows (
> oops, I meant Wondows ;).

Hmm. Looks like something (the virus, windows95 during a reinstall or perhaps
your anti-virus software) overwrote your master boot record.

> Is there some string or sommand I enter in
> somewhere ? any advice ?
> ( Please take in mind I have only had Linux for about 3 weeks ).

Here's what should work:
- Get or remake the Debian boot disk (first disk of the 6-set) 
  using rawrite.
- Boot with that disk. On the lilo prompt, press tab and say
  Linux root=/dev/hda4 ro
  (presuming /dev/hda4 == 4th partition on first drive) is your Linux
  root partition.
- Linux should boot more or less normal now. Log in, and rerun "lilo".
 
Hope this helps,
Ray   
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Installation fails on this old machine shortly after hitting return at the
'Boot Parameters' prompt using the standard bootdisk. Linux 1.2.13 runs fine.

I suspect (based upon bug reports) that APM is enabled in the kernel on the
standard bootdisk and that this is the problem.

I propose to install on another machine and create a custom bootdisk for this
old (but useful) dog.

Does anyone have any pointers or is there a suitable bootdisk image somewhere I
can use? I am installing from the August Pacific HiTech CD and have internet
access.

Thanks,
Michael Laing


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Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 

Thanks, 
Tim 

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:
> 
> > >When installing gpm, I set my mouse device to /dev/ttys0... Then, I =
> > >pointed everything else that wanted a mouse device to /dev/mouse.  =
> > 
> > What is the difference between
> > 
> > /dev/ttys1, /dev/cua1 and /dev/mouse (a soft link)
> > 
> > and when should each be used?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)
> > 
> > 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> This is an old explanation that I'm not sure still holds
> true, but ...
> 
> A cu device is for DCE devices (Data Communications
> Equiptment), basically modems, etc.  A tty device is for DTE
> devices (Data Terminal Equiptment), basically terminals,
> serial input devices (mice), etc.  The /dev/mouse should be
> a link to /dev/ttyxx where xx is probably S0 or S1, etc.
> You don't need to have /dev/mouse to have the mouse work,
> its just there to conveniently identify the mouse port.
> 
> I hope that's helpful, and if anybody knows a better, more
> modern explanation, please do :-)
> 

CAVEAT I'm an ignoramlepuss about Linux/Debian.

Under Nextstep, the serial ports work like this:

     /dev/ttya      /dev/ttya (/dev/ttyb) is used for "incoming"
                    connections from directly connected terminals
                    without CTS/RTS flow control.

                    When /dev/ttya is open(2)'ed, the device
                    driver asserts the DTR (data terminal ready)
                    signal.  Opens of the /dev/ttya device name
                    do NOT block waiting for the RS-232 DCD (car-
                    rier detect) signal to be asserted.
                    /dev/ttya should be specified in the file
                    /etc/ttys for directly connected terminals.

                    If a serial line is opened with the /dev/ttya
                    device name, it may not be opened with the
                    /dev/ttyda or /dev/cua device names.

     /dev/ttyfa     /dev/ttyfa (/dev/ttyfb) operates identically
                    to /dev/ttya except that RTS/CTS flow control
                    is supported on 68040-based systems.  See the
                    section below on RTC/CTS flow control.

     /dev/ttyda     /dev/ttyda (/dev/ttydb) is used for "incom-
                    ing" connections from modems.

                    When /dev/ttyda is opened, the device driver
                    asserts DTR and then blocks waiting for the
                    modem to assert DCD (indicating that a con-
                    nection has been established with a remote
                    modem).  When DCD is asserted by the modem
                    the open system call returns.  If DCD is
                    deasserted by the modem, further reads and
                    writes to the device will return the error
                    EIO (i/o error); if the tty is the control-
                    ling terminal for the process a SIGHUP will
                    be sent to the process.

                    /dev/ttyda is typically used in the file
                    /etc/ttys for connecting modems used for
                    dial-up logins.

                    If a serial line is opened with the
                    /dev/ttyda device name, it may not be opened
                    with the /dev/ttya.  A serial line opened
                    with the /dev/ttyda device name may also be
                    opened with the /dev/cua device name.  Inter-
                    locks between the /dev/ttyda and /dev/cua
                    device names are described below.

     /dev/ttydfa    /dev/ttydfa (/dev/ttydfb) operates identi-
                    cally to /dev/ttyda except that RTS/CTS flow
                    control is supported on 68040-based systems.
                    See the section below on RTC/CTS flow con-
                    trol.

     /dev/cua       /dev/cua (/dev/cub) is used for "outgoing"
                    connections to auto-dial modems.

                    When /dev/cua is opened, the device driver
                    asserts DTR and does NOT block waiting for
                    the modem to assert DCD.  No action is taken
                    by the driver when the modem asserts or de-
                    asserts DCD.

                    /dev/cua is typically used by programs like
                    "uucp" and "tip" that need access to auto-
                    dial modems.

                    If a serial line is opened with the /dev/cua
                    device name, it may not be opened with
                    /dev/ttya.  A serial line opened with the
                    /dev/cua device name may also be opened with
                    the /dev/ttyda device name.  Interlocks
                    between the /dev/ttyda and /dev/cua device
                    names are described below.

     /dev/cufa      /dev/cufa (/dev/cufb) operates identically to
                    /dev/cua except that RTS/CTS flow control is
                    supported on 68040-based systems.  See the
                    section below on RTC/CTS flow control.  WARN-
                    ING: To avoid locking problems with tip and
                    uucp, all reference to the "cu" device for a
                    particular serial port must be of the same
                    flow control type.  E.g. tip should not refer
                    to /dev/cua while uucp refers to /dev/cufa.




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The DHCP extensions that are included in the bootp server that comes =
with Debian appear to require you to enter all the host information. Is =
this true? Are there any DHCP servers for Linux that dynamically assign =
IP addresses?

Thanks,

Al Youngwerth
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>>>>> On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:41:02 +0200, Yves Arrouye <arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> said:

>> - If I put "quiet" flags (\q) on both my username and password strings, it
>> only recognizes the first one, i.e., it puts my password into the log file!

> I have only one \q for my passwd, and it's in the log file too :-(.
> Yves.

I'm still scratching my head over the other oddities, but I've solved the "\q"
problem: first, it turns out that the switch is a toggle!  So, if you put two
"\q"'s in your script, the first one turns on quiet mode, the second one turns
it off!  This is basically a bug in the documentation, which makes it sound as
if you should put a "\q" at the start of each string you don't want logged.  I
put a \q at the start of my username only, and now both it and my password
show in the logs as "??????".  Second, you need to put the whole string in
single quotes, or the '\' character will be snarfed by the shell, and the
wrong string will be sent to the host.

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Hi --
I searched DejaNews for "mbone & linux" and got many "hits".  
Rather than repeat all of them here, I think it would be better if you
repeated the search yourself and picked the responses that are most
relevant to you.  The upshot seems to be that there were multicast 
problems in kernels preceding 2.0.8.
HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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on the other hand, most laptops with builtin mouse or trackball or
force stick or glidepoint seem to use the PS/2 interface... which is
an argument (polite request :-) for having it in the default kernel.
Can't free up the IRQ in that case either...


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Hey,

I had trouble with a PS/2 mouse to.. As many have.. I dont know if this
will work, but it did for me. ( I even got this advice from this list a
few weeks ago ).

In the XF86Config file, edit it... And where it says " Device Pointer "
Or somthing of that matter, it might say " /dev/mouse ".. Delete that
and enter in its place " /dev/psaux "

Hope this helps b4 you go through the work of re-compiling...

Lata Gata
Aron
Digge@juno.com


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Hi Paul --
You said:
> My CD is on a SB16 card.  I've told the new kernel
> NOT to load modules (N to kerneld) and somehow, what is now
> happening is SB driver loads during boot, and then later in the
> boot process I see loading modules, and you guessed it, it loads
> sbpcd as a module also!  
The modules listed in /etc/modules will be loaded during boot time 
whether or not kerneld has been enabled.

> Only the module doesn't see the line
> passed to the kernel specifying the parameters for sbpcd, so it
> polls for every darn possible address and clone drive!  Now my
> systems takes about ten minutes to boot!   
>From the documentation in /usr/doc/modules, I would infer you 
have to put a line like
    sbpcd irq=NNN io=NNN
into /etc/conf.modules.  Maybe you have to give sbpcd a number like
sbpcd1; I don't know.  I'm also not sure of which particular arguments
are accepted by this module, but I'd guess they can be deduced from 
the kernel sources.

HTH?
Susan Kleinmann


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>  The file /dev/inportbm clearly exists, it is character special (10,2) and
>it does have appropriate ownership and permissions.  So what does the error
>"No such device" mean?

"No such device" means that while the name exists in the filesystem,
the kernel doesn't have any idea what c/10/2 actually *is*. Perhaps
you don't have the needed support in the kernel, or the needed module
loaded? 


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I just installed fileutils 3.13-3, and now my 'ls' is screwed up.  I 
removed color-ls as it said I was supposed to.  I remember reading about 
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doing a dpkg -S dircolors tells me its from the fileutils package.  Why 
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I just installed fileutils 3.13-3, and now my 'ls' is screwed up.  I 
removed color-ls as it said I was supposed to.  I remember reading about 
how color-ls is now included in fileutils.  However there is no color-ls 
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doing a dpkg -S dircolors tells me its from the fileutils package.  Why 
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here?

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Shaya
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Anyone using Linux with Dec ethernet 100Mb ethernet cards? I'm wondering
if it's suitable as I have an application that might need 2 x 100Mb ports
and a 10Mb port - thinking of running it on a P120. 

It would need to run gated & take a full routing table ( >37K routes). Is 
Linux up to that yet - I havn't been following any of the networking or 
routing lists as of late - still running 1.2.13!

Gordon


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note that some anti-virus software will decide that lilo *is* a boot
sector virus :-) so you may want to just give up and use loadlin...


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>
>Hi,
>
>in case some MBONE maniac is out there...
>
>I've just modified the 2.0.6 kernel for multicast support, and I started
>mrouted ver 3.8. It looked fine, and we manage to establish a "tunnel"
>with another remote machine connected with the rest of MBONE. But every
>time I start vat or nv on a machine in the same local network where the
>Linux mrouted runs, the Linux box crashes leaving a lot of messages in
>/var/log/messages, starting with: 
>
>Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: general protection: 0000
>Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: CPU:    0
>Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: EIP:    0010:[<00143c9b>]
>Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
>...
>Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: Aiee, killing interrupt handler
>Aug  9 10:59:28 smallLinux kernel: kfree of non-kmalloced memory:
>...
>
>Can somebody help me?
>
>fabrizio
>
Wow! This sounds interesting.  I had been thinking about installing
MBONE on my Linux box.  If you get this to work, will you consider
creating a .deb?

There is a group, and a particular leader of that group, that are into
MBONE, and I believe have installed MBONE on Linux.

Please see hi home page and contact directly if you are interested.

see

http://www.epm.ornl.gov:80/~dunigan/

Keep up the good work...

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Hi there,

For the last 24 hours I keep getting empty output from "ls" and "dir"
on master.debian.org and ftp.i-connect.net.

My guess it's some mis-configuration at these servers (aren't they the
same host?).

Thanks.

--Amos

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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:

>  > - If I put "quiet" flags (\q) on both my username and password strings, it
>  >   only recognizes the first one, i.e., it puts my password into the log file!
> 
> I have only one \q for my passwd, and it's in the log file too :-(.

The \q option is a toggle switch, so the second \q turns logging back
on.  Move the second \q after the password.

btw, I had to read the chat source to discover this, so it's probably
reasonable to call it a bug in the man page.


Guy


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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Yves Arrouye wrote:

>  > - If I put "quiet" flags (\q) on both my username and password strings, it
>  >   only recognizes the first one, i.e., it puts my password into the log file!
> 
> I have only one \q for my passwd, and it's in the log file too :-(.

The \q option is a toggle switch, so the second \q turns logging back
on.  Move the second \q after the password.

btw, I had to read the chat source to discover this, so it's probably
reasonable to call it a bug in the man page.


Guy


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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Douglas Bates wrote:

> I will soon be purchasing a custom system to run Debian GNU/Linux.  Since
> I must get bids from different vendors, I might as well give detailed
> specifications if that will enhance the performance with Linux.
> 
> Does anyone have comments on specific Pentium Pro motherboards?
> 
> For example, Bruce Perens mentioned on this list some time ago that
> the combination of the IDE controller in the Triton chipset with an
> EIDE drive is as fast as fast, wide SCSI.  I found that the system I
> was using had the Triton chipset and enabled the Triton-specific
> optimizations in the kernel.  The results were very pleasing.
> 
That would depend on how hard the disk subsystem is being hammered.
SCSI's advantage is that it can handle multiple outstanding requests at
the same time, while EIDE has to wait for one to complete before it can
start a second one.  Under a single tasking OS, this is ok, but if you
have a a hundred or so user processes fighting over the disk, this
becomes a losing proposition.  Check out the results when you have a
fast/wide scsi 2 drive on a good controller, with a a few meg of cache
on the drive.  (This allows the drive to start being clever and resort
the queue'd I/O's for fastest return.  E.g. If the head is on cylinder
7, and it gets a read request for cylinder 2000, and cylinder 500, it
will do the 500 on the way to the one for 2000.)

For a personal workstation, I don't think you would notice the
difference, until you are doing enough that you have to swap.  Pushing
one process out to disk while reading a new one off the disk puts
strain on the disk...
> Are there similar things to look for when purchasing a motherboard today?
> 
> Please e-mail me and I will summarize to the list.
> 
> -- 
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> 


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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Digge    wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> Ught.. Ummmm... Ohhh...
> 
> Heh, I  have a problem.
> I got a virus on my Windows partition ( And YES I did scan it first with
> norton ).
> But After I debugged, and fixed as much as I could, everything looked
> good...
> But now on boot up - LILO dosent show... It just boots into win - blows (
> oops, I meant Wondows ;). Is there some string or sommand I enter in
> somewhere ? any advice ?
> ( Please take in mind I have only had Linux for about 3 weeks ).
> 
> Aron 
> Digge@juno.com
> AronAM@juno.com
> 
Lilo probably got erased from the boot sector of your hard disk when you 
disinfected it.  Reinstall lilo from the base disks and you should be fine.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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Thanks to all who replied to this posting. I have now got the 
mouse working. 

To summarise :

Support for PS/2 mouse is not in the kernel on the standard Debian boot 
disk, either built in or as a module. Thus, to use a PS/2 mouse one has 
to obtain a kernel with the required support. The special kernel 1 has 
the neccessary psaux.o module, so obtaining the corresponding image 
package, installing it, and adding "psaux" to the appropriate config 
file (/etc/modules ? I can't remember) will do the job.

Ideally, however, I would have liked to compile a kernel which supported 
the PS/2 mouse, as well as some other features of the GATEWAY 2000, such 
as APM, and use that. I downloaded and installed the kernel source 
package from 1.1.3, configured it, and tried to make the image by doing
	./debian.rules

This did not work, however - the make failed (after the best part of an 
hour had elapsed) when it was unable to find "as86". I could not find 
as86 anywhere on my system, and so was stuck.

Am I doing something wrong, or is it the case that the kernel-source 
package is flawed ?

BTW, when I tried to config under X with make xconfig, tk failed with a 
complaint about there being no such colour as "gray" !?!? Any ideas here ?


Some suggestions :

	- The default boot disk should have PS/2 mouse support 
	  available as a module, since the PS/2 mouse seems a 
	  reasonably common device, and new users will not be happy 
	  if they have to go to great lengths just to get their mouse
	  working.

	- The modules.tgz file on the special kernel 1 boot disk
	  is corrupted. If this was fixed I could have obtained the
	  module I needed by extracting it from this file.

	- The apparent dependency of the kernel compilation procedure
	  on as86 should be resolved - if this file is neccessary then
	  it should be in one of the packages upon which the 
	  kernel-source package depends.


Thanks again for everyone's help, 

Mark Johnston.


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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Michael J. Cotherman wrote:

> I get the following when I eval color-ls, but do not get colors...
> As you can see, I did do the color=yes thingy
> any help would be appreciated...

Michael, if you are still running fileutils-3.12, and you have color-ls
installed, then the command `eval dircolors` should execute the commands
you show below, and your ls should be colorized on tty terminals.  By
default, this included the console, xterm-color, rxvt, etc.  If you are
using the latest fileutils-3.13, then you need to do something else (see
below).

> LS_COLORS='no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:ex=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=01;32:*.btm=01;32:*.bat=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31
:*.jpg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:';
> export LS_COLORS;
> LS_OPTIONS='--8bit --color=tty -F';
> export LS_OPTIONS;
> alias ls='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS ';
> alias dir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=vertical';
> alias vdir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=long';
> alias d=dir;
> alias v=vdir;

With the integration of color-ls directly into the fileutils
package, a few things have changed.  dircolors no longer sets
up aliases or shell scripts to colorize ls, dir, and vdir.

Here is an excerpt from a .bashrc which sets up aliases after
running dircolors:

	# set up color-ls
	eval `dircolors /home/syrus/.dir_colors`
	alias d='ls -F --color=auto'
	alias v='ls -l --color=auto'
	alias vdir='ls -l --color=auto'
	alias dir='ls -F --color=auto'                                                 

Note that color=tty has been changes to color=auto.  See the
documentation for other change information.

Syrus.


----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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On Aug 9,  8:18am, Michael_Laing@harvard.edu wrote:
> Subject: installation boot fails with standard bootdisk on 486SX/33
:
: Installation fails on this old machine shortly after hitting return
: at the 'Boot Parameters' prompt using the standard bootdisk. Linux
: 1.2.13 runs fine.
:
: I suspect (based upon bug reports) that APM is enabled in the kernel
: on the standard bootdisk and that this is the problem.
:
>-- End of excerpt from Michael_Laing@harvard.edu

On my system (brand-new AMD-486DX4-120), the error that I get tells me
that the failure is occuring as the kernel is being decompressed.  This
would suggest that APM is *not* the problem, as the kernel (if it does
have APM support) has not yet started to run.

I have seen postings on this mailing list that claim that the problem
is level 2 cache, level 1 cache, EDO RAM on a board that doesn't
support it, or generic hardware instability.  Some 486sx system boards
do have cache.  If this is the case, try turning off the cache and see
if that fixes the problem.  If it does, report it as a bug.

...and now for the soapbox...

Given the type of problem you've reported, you might hear the infamous
"hardware instability that doesn't show up when running DOS or older
versions of Linux because the newest Linux makes your machine work
harder" cop-out.  This is a completely invalid argument, IMO.  I've
heard it several times (not in the message quoted above :).  If I can
run older versions of Linux, and a new one shows up that doesn't run,
then I claim that the problem is in the new software.

I've already had this happen once.  I ran Linux 1.0.8 without problems
on a board with a Cyrix 486DLC-40.  When I installed 1.2.8 I started
getting frequent, random SIGVEC errors.  These would often bring the
system to its knees, forcing a power cycle.  I heard from several
others who had the same problem, but the only help we ever got were
suggestions that we should buy new motherboards.  I finally gave in,
because I wanted a math co-processor and a faster CPU, and I wanted to
get the *&^&@#%^! machine running (and because I'd finally saved up
enough money).

So, I have just purchased my new motherboard (with the AMD chip), and
1.2.8 runs very well.  I have not seen any SIGVECs at all since the
upgrade.  Now I'm being told that I can't install Debian with the 2.0.x
kernel because my hardware is incompatible?  This just doen't make
sense!

>>From what I've seen in the few days I've been on this mailing list,
there are several people out there who are having trouble installing
Debian because of conflicts with the cache.  Of those, several are
running an older version of Linux successfully, or have managed to
install the system by temporarily turning off the cache, and have no
problems decompressing the kernel from the hard disk.

Sorry if I sound a bit peeved about all this...

...but I am.

Chris -)-----

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  Tim>  Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can
  Tim> get it to do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data,
  Tim> but after about 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has
  Tim> timed out waiting for ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of
  Tim> receiving an html document from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume
  Tim> that pppd was already connected.  Anyone got any ideas how I can cure
  Tim> this VERY annoying problem?

Diald can be configured to do almost everything. Using it "out of the box"
with Eric Schenk's original /etc/diald.conf as packaged for Debian, I also
noticed that I could die after some seconds, claiming inactivity.

You can either modify to diald.conf so that it always stays up longer. What
I did was to add a this to /etc/ppp/ip-up 

	# send a couple of pings
	ping -c 20 -s 2048 -i 15 my.isp.provider >/dev/null

Recently, I created a fifo /etc/diald.fifo, set the option
	fifo /etc/diald.fifo 
in /etc/diald.options and wrote the following script to issue commands as
	$ dial force
etc. This is quite handy as a one-command interface for other scripts.

Hope this helps, Dirk

----------------- /usr/local/bin/dial ---------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# dial --- communicate via fifo `/etc/diald.fifo' with the diald daemon
#
# edd	12 Jul 96

if [ $# -ne 1 ] 
then
	echo "Usage: dial <command>"
	exit 1
fi
  
case "$1" in
  block|unblock|force|unforce|down|up|delay-quit|quit|reset|queue)
    echo $1 >> /etc/diald.fifo
    ;;
  *)
    echo "Unknown (or unsupported) command: $1"
    exit 1
    ;;
esac

exit 0


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	Is the iCBS in Debian 1.1 working properly?  I remember when I was
upgrading my RedHat 3.0.3 to Kernel 2.0.X and the README's said that iCBS
was broken in kernel 2.X.

				thnx in advance.
						Mike...


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I subscribed to this list yesterday and started getting messages 
today...  I noticed some people replying to a worrying message.

After reading all the directions, I downloaded the debian files and 
rawrite2.exe.  I made the disks, switched from OS/2, and started up DOS.  
The first thing I noticed was that LILO wasn't showing up any more.  I 
figured it was some accidental thing, but wasn't that big of a deal.  
After switching to DOS, I rebooted with the disk in the drive, and it 
started chugging away.  However, after reading for a few seconds, the 
hard drive light flickered, the screen cleared, the disk drive light went 
off, and I got the message "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT."  After doing so, I 
noticed that LILO still wasn't starting.  (Skipping a few steps here.)  I 
fired up Norton's Disk Editor and checked the MBR of drive 1, which is 
where I had LILO.  I noticed the usual assembled gibberish, complete with 
the world "LILO" at the top.  Then I checked the rest of the MBR and saw 
something ominous, even if I didn't catch it at the time: the words, "I 
am Li Xibin."  I figured this was some kind of odd LILO error message.  I 
didn't catch on to the fact that this was a virus until after I'd checked 
the boot record for the Debian disk - it sported the same phrase, which 
was NOT located in the BOOT1440.BIN image file.  As it is, I still 
thought it might only be a LILO thing until I saw that it was cutting off 
an error message for the boot disk.  (Remember, I'm used to Slackware 
Linux, which uses LILO even for bootkernel disks.)

Using fdisk/mbr fixed the MBR, even if it did blast away the last traces 
of LILO, and using diskedit to manually copy a single sector cleaned the 
bootkernel disk.  (Then I got a flash of inspiration and used an old copy 
of LOADLIN and a distribution kernel to boot Linux instead.)

So, what I'm trying to say is: this trouble ONLY showed up after using 
RAWRITE2 and the Debian stuff.  Using RAWRITE seems to work (except when 
the MBR is already infected).  In fact, the one time I managed to get the 
bootkernel working from DOS is when I used RAWRITE on an older version of 
the bootkernel image.  This is a little suspicious to me.

I thought it was possible that the virus came in earlier, but I find this 
unlikely for the following reasons.  First, I made the original images 
under OS/2, and since OS/2 doesn't even allow read access to a given 
sector on the hard disk, it's unlikely that my MBR was infected there.  
However, it's possible that the disk was infected, and when I tried to 
boot the disk, it did bad things to my MBR (this is confirmed; the virus 
spreads to disks on read or write access which goes through DOS, and to 
the hard disks when an infected disk is started).

I'm probably very incorrect in all these statements, and wronging a large 
number of people as well, but someone who can get at the FTP site from 
the administrator's side might want to check this out.  The virus SEEMS 
to be gone, though; we'll see if it reappears without use of any Debian 
stuff.

Sorry to be writing such a long message that may very well be 
inappropriate.  However, this may be of interest to at least the Win95 
user who seemed to have the same problem.

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     While using the dpkg-ftp option within dselect -
     
     I am able to get the few packages that I requested 
     
     - HOWEVER -
     
     I also get these messages at random locations in my download session
     
     
     eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet
     eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet
     eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet
     eth0: CU wedged, status 0240 0000, resetting ...
     couldn't get a free page ....
     eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet
     eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet
     eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet
     
     Any body care to shine some light on what this is all about?
     
     Thanx in advance...


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The problems that I was having with this a WHILE ago had to do with the
fact that I was using a cua device rather than a ttyS device.  I don't know
why this must be, but if you are using a cua device switch to its ttyS
counterpart, and cross your fingers :)

Michael

> 
> Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
> do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
> 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
> ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
> from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
> Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Tim 
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Well .. a common feature of most virus tools (Norton) is to clean up the
boot block .. it looks like your boot block got swiped.  Best thing to do
is get a boot disk .. if you don't have one .. download one from a linux
ftp site .. my guess is any version will do the trick.  Mount your hard
drive and rerun lilo.

I know these probably aren't the best directions .. but it has been a while
since I used lilo.

-- Michael

> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Ught.. Ummmm... Ohhh...
> 
> Heh, I  have a problem.
> I got a virus on my Windows partition ( And YES I did scan it first with
> norton ).
> But After I debugged, and fixed as much as I could, everything looked
> good...
> But now on boot up - LILO dosent show... It just boots into win - blows (
> oops, I meant Wondows ;). Is there some string or sommand I enter in
> somewhere ? any advice ?
> ( Please take in mind I have only had Linux for about 3 weeks ).
> 
> Aron 
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> AronAM@juno.com
> 
> 


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>>>>> On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:19:24 -0500, tjobrien@Traveller.COM (Tim O'Brien)
>>>>> said:
> Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
> do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
> 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
> ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
> from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
> Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 

Take a look at /etc/ppp/options.  Almost everything should be commented
out--when using diald, it seems to work best if ppp gets its options straight
from diald.  I was having a similar problem, and it turned out my ppp options
file had a "connect" line in it that was causing two chats to be running at
once, fighting over the line.  Also, use the "defaultroute" option if you
haven't already turned that on.

The default diald options file seems to be set up for something like an ISDN
connection, where setting up the connection only takes a couple of seconds.  I
changed all the timeouts to be 5 - 10 minutes, and that seems to work well.

If those simple fixes don't help, turning on debugging for all the pieces
involved (pppd: debug 1 and kdebug 1, chat: -v, diald: debug -1).  This
generates quite a pile of output, but I found it very helpful in getting diald
to work.  Now, except for some annoying intermittent problems with chat, diald
is working perfectly, and in combination with ip masquerade, I've got two Macs
and a Pentium Pro happily sharing one modem.

-Randy
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Hi guys,

I'm really needing to use the dump utility to schedule my backups. My 
problem is that dump requires libc5.x, and I'm still running libc4.x. I 
tried upgrading libc, but it runs into other dependency conflicts, and it 
seems to me that unless I start upgrading *everything*, which I can't 
afford to do now (due to downtime), I'm SOL.

So, question:
Is the source for dump available so I can compile it myself with the old 
libs?

Help! ;-)

ricardo


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Sherwood Botsford <sherwood@space.ualberta.ca> writes:

> CAVEAT I'm an ignoramlepuss about Linux/Debian.

[ good info about serial ports deleted ]

I do recall a discussion recently where someone posted text from the
maintainer of the Linux kernel's serial port code that essentially
said that cua* devices were no longer really supported, and that you
should always use ttyS* when possible.

I was having some trouble with cua* at the time (for dialout), and
sure enough, switching to ttyS* fixed the problem.

--
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Mike Taylor wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Mark Edward Johnston wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have installed Linux (Debian 1.1) on a friend's computer,
> > but can't get X to work as it complains about not being able to
> > find the mouse.
> >
> > The system is a Gateway 2000 DX2/66  with Cirrus Logic 5434
> > and what seems to be a "PS/2" mouse.
> >
> > I have linked /dev/mouse -> /dev/psmouse (-> /dev/psaux)
> > and set Protocol and Device in XF86Config to "PS/2" and
> > "/dev/mouse" respectively.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated,
> >
> > Mark Johnston (M.E.Johnston@damtp.cam.ac.uk)
> >
> >
> > PS: Does anybody know if PS/2 mouse support is in the default kernel in
> > Debian 1.1.3 ?? Is this a valid question ?

The debian 1.1.x kernel as distributed supports the PS/2 mouse as a
Module.  The only problem is that the binary distribution does not
contain a complete set of modules.

I got the required module by compiling the kernel using the existing
debian configuration file.  This generated a full set of modules.  I
manually added the missing module to my configurating and the mouse
started working.

NOW The Greater Question for the Debian package maintainers is:

     Why isn't a complete set of modules distributed with the binaries? 

I've seen the same PS/2 mouse question over and over again.  It's a very
simple problem to solve, but a pain in the butt for someone that's never
compiled a kernel.

MY SUGGESTION:

     Add a complete set of modules to the distribution package.

Jim <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>


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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Tim O'Brien wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
> do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
> 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
> ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
> from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
> Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 

I had this same problem.  Unfortunately you are the only other person I
have seen who has this problem, so I never found any official fixes.  All
I can suggest is to make sure you have the latest version of pppd and the
latest kernel, or an older version of pppd and an older kernel.  All I can
figure that there are certain combinations of pppd and kernels that have
this problem.  Mine works now with the latest kernel and pppd (I think the
'f' version).

Yes this is definitely one of the most annoying problems I have seen.
Just when you think it is working fine, it hangs up on you :-(

Tony.


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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Tim O'Brien wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
> do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
> 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
> ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
> from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
> Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 

I had this same problem and tracked it down to the ppp-connect-with-
diald script referenced by /etc/diald.options. I assumed from the
script's name that it would invoke ppp and connect, but alas it was
only meant to make the physical connection to my ISP and exit. Diald
takes over then and invokes pppd.

This leads to the second problem: /etc/ppp/options pointed to my
chatscript (/etc/ppp/chatscript) so when diald started pppd, pppd
tried to reconnect with chat which of course didn't work so well.

In short, make sure your ppp-connect-with-diald only runs chat (with
the appropriate script) and exits, and that pppd does not 
automatically execute chat and you should be home free.

Unfortunately, I don't remember if this was the way things were setup
when I installed or if I messed them up. If the former, perhaps this
is a packaging glitch? If the latter I seem to learn the most when I
do something stupid (and I'm learning all the time).

Good luck,
Owen


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(Follow-up only to debian-user. Please don't write to debian-devel and
debian-user at the same time.)

  Shaya Potter writes:
  Shaya>  I just installed fileutils 3.13-3, and now my 'ls' is screwed up.
  Shaya> I removed color-ls as it said I was supposed to.  I remember reading
  Shaya> about how color-ls is now included in fileutils.  However there is
  Shaya> no color-ls file in my /usr/bin directory anymore, there is a
  Shaya> dircolors file though, doing a dpkg -S dircolors tells me its from
  Shaya> the fileutils package.  Why did fileutils install dircolors and not
  Shaya> color-ls?  Am I missing something here?

You are missing a discussion we had about a ago on this. I append my mail
below. Erick added documentation to fileutils-3.13-3, you can find it in
/usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz


>From edd Wed Jul 31 11:19:20 -0400 1996
From: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
To: Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, Erick Branderhorst <branderh@iaehv.nl>
Subject: Re: color ls

  Mark Phillips writes:
  Mark>  Hi, Something has happened to stop ls giving color output.  I used
  Mark> to be able to just run:
  Mark>
  Mark> eval `dircolors`
  Mark>
  Mark> and ls would work in color - even without specifying the "--color"
  Mark> option.  (And no, ls was not aliased)                

Oh yes, it was aliased to do that. Just start the dircolors (the old one from
the color-ls package, that is) from the shell and you'll see.

  Mark> Now it seems I need to type "ls --color" to get color?

The old dircolors created the LS_COLORS env variable with your colour
selection the default or specified rc file _and_ created the aliases.
Now it only builds LS_COLORS so that I changed the code in
/usr/local/etc/profile (which I source from /etc/profile) to      

    eval `dircolors -b /usr/local/etc/colour-ls.rc`
    alias ls='ls --color=auto ';
    alias dir='ls --color=auto --format=vertical';
    alias vdir='ls --color=auto --format=long';
    alias d=dir;
    alias v=vdir;
    alias ols='/bin/ls '

Before, I only needed the "eval 'dircolors -b <resourcefile>`" line and the
aliases were built automagically (the format was slightly different, though,
there was also --8-bit or some such).

  Mark> What is the problem?  I've changed a number of things of late - moved
  Mark> from tcsh to bash (but same thing happens in both shells), and
  Mark> upgraded a number of packages.  So I don't know what has caused the
  Mark> change.  Any ideas anyone?

Your upgrade to the newest fileutils package which replaced the now redundant
color-ls package.

Erick, is there a way that you can persuade/hack dircolors to do what the old
one did? Or put a note in the package to ease transition? 



--
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(Follow-up only to debian-user. Please don't write to debian-devel and
debian-user at the same time.)

  Shaya Potter writes:
  Shaya>  I just installed fileutils 3.13-3, and now my 'ls' is screwed up.
  Shaya> I removed color-ls as it said I was supposed to.  I remember reading
  Shaya> about how color-ls is now included in fileutils.  However there is
  Shaya> no color-ls file in my /usr/bin directory anymore, there is a
  Shaya> dircolors file though, doing a dpkg -S dircolors tells me its from
  Shaya> the fileutils package.  Why did fileutils install dircolors and not
  Shaya> color-ls?  Am I missing something here?

You are missing a discussion we had about a ago on this. I append my mail
below. Erick added documentation to fileutils-3.13-3, you can find it in
/usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz


>From edd Wed Jul 31 11:19:20 -0400 1996
From: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
To: Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, Erick Branderhorst <branderh@iaehv.nl>
Subject: Re: color ls

  Mark Phillips writes:
  Mark>  Hi, Something has happened to stop ls giving color output.  I used
  Mark> to be able to just run:
  Mark>
  Mark> eval `dircolors`
  Mark>
  Mark> and ls would work in color - even without specifying the "--color"
  Mark> option.  (And no, ls was not aliased)                

Oh yes, it was aliased to do that. Just start the dircolors (the old one from
the color-ls package, that is) from the shell and you'll see.

  Mark> Now it seems I need to type "ls --color" to get color?

The old dircolors created the LS_COLORS env variable with your colour
selection the default or specified rc file _and_ created the aliases.
Now it only builds LS_COLORS so that I changed the code in
/usr/local/etc/profile (which I source from /etc/profile) to      

    eval `dircolors -b /usr/local/etc/colour-ls.rc`
    alias ls='ls --color=auto ';
    alias dir='ls --color=auto --format=vertical';
    alias vdir='ls --color=auto --format=long';
    alias d=dir;
    alias v=vdir;
    alias ols='/bin/ls '

Before, I only needed the "eval 'dircolors -b <resourcefile>`" line and the
aliases were built automagically (the format was slightly different, though,
there was also --8-bit or some such).

  Mark> What is the problem?  I've changed a number of things of late - moved
  Mark> from tcsh to bash (but same thing happens in both shells), and
  Mark> upgraded a number of packages.  So I don't know what has caused the
  Mark> change.  Any ideas anyone?

Your upgrade to the newest fileutils package which replaced the now redundant
color-ls package.

Erick, is there a way that you can persuade/hack dircolors to do what the old
one did? Or put a note in the package to ease transition? 



--
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I'm switching over to debian from red hat. I've not used it much yet,
just a quick install to get the feel of it, but I do have some questions.

Is there shadow password support for debian yet? (Or PAM?)

Does debian use the "user groups" system that redhat uses, that makes each
user be in a group containing only themselves, so the umask can be set to
002? I see in /etc/group that each user does get placed in their own
group. But I see in /etc/profile that the umask is set to 022.. Can I
change that to 002 safely? 

Does dpkg have any way to verify a package? If anyone's familiar with rpm
-V, that's what I'm looking for.. something that can list what files in a
package have been modified since it was installed. I think I'm out of
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Ok, I figured out what I was doing wrong before.. I had diald calling a
shell script I wrote to connect to the net with ppp. Now diald says my
connect script is bad.. AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

Where can I get the source to this thing? I think either it will help me
understand what's going on, or get rewritten to make a heck of a lot more
sense to me. I'm sure I'm just missing something simple, but it's got me
banging my head on the wall!

Where's the connect script 'connect-with-diald' located? I don't even know
if I have a file by that name, if I do, I sure as heck don't know where it is.

Sorry for all the ranting, this little problem has had me busy for a total
of about 8 hours now and I think I'm gonna go bananas.

If someone could. please, could I get a copy of a working connect file (sans
username and password of course)?

Thanks,
Tim

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As Susan G. Kleinmann said:
> 
> My experience is that there are a couple of good hardware reasons for 
> getting serial mice instead of PS/2 mice:
>
> -- removing the PS/2 mouse frees up an IRQ.

Perhaps I am wrong, but a serial mouse also requires an IRQ... and a serial
port! With my PS/2 mouse I don't waste a serial port, so I can easily have a
modem and a dumb terminal connected to my computer.

Or is there a way to share IRQ's between a serial device and a serial mouse
on the same port?
 
> Cheers,
> Susan Kleinmann
> 

--gilbert

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Cornerstone makes a pair of high resolution grey scale monitors.
(highest one is 2500+ x 1500 pixels)

Has anyone used one on a linux box?



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From: gram@merece.uthscsa.edu (Gilbert Ramirez Jr.)
Subject: Re: How do I get GATEWAY2000 PS/2 mouse to work
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As Mark Edward Johnston said:
> 
> 	- The modules.tgz file on the special kernel 1 boot disk
> 	  is corrupted. If this was fixed I could have obtained the
> 	  module I needed by extracting it from this file.
>

I'd like to take time to point this out. I thought that I was the only one
experiencing this problem, but Mark is the third person who has remarked
about this.

This is true of Debian-1.1.2. I haven't checked 1.1.3.

All the special-kernel boot-disks have a corrupt modules.tgz file on them.
It's a valid gzip file, but an invalid tar file. It's as if the tar file
was cut in half or something.

The way to get around this is to download the kernel-image package to
another Unix machine, use ar and gzip and tar to extract the modules you
need, then build your own modules.tar.gz file. Then copy it onto the boot
disk (it has an MS-DOS filesystem onit) as 'modules.tgz'.

This will then let you install the kernel.

--gilbert
______________________________________________________________________
Gilbert Ramirez Jr.                     gram@merece.uthscsa.edu
University of Texas                     http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
Health Science Center at San Antonio    University Health System


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Stuart Lamble wrote:
> 
> In article <199608072149.RAA29061@sgk.tiac.net> Susan Kleinmann wrote:
> :
> : Hi Chris --
> :
> : You said:
> : > I tried to post to the linux.debian.user newsgroup without success.
> 
> : There isn't any newsgroup -- just this mailing list.
> 
> Actually, linux.debian.user exists, but it appears to be a gateway from
> the mailing list to USENET - it doesn't seem to work the other way
> around. :-( I can read from it, but it doesn't seem to reach the mailing
> list if I post to it.
> 
> Just FWIW. (and, again FWIW, I'm mailing this to debian-user, not posting
> it.)
> 
> --
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. Linux is the answer.
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/ for all your PC software requirements.

JFYI- I just use and post to linux.debian.user as a normal group, using
a commercial news server and netscape..

mike
btw, thanks again to all who have helped with my various probs


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I recieved this info from Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>:

( I was unaware that I did not need color-ls )

With the integration of color-ls directly into the fileutils
package, a few things have changed.  dircolors no longer sets
up aliases or shell scripts to colorize ls, dir, and vdir.

Here is an excerpt from a .bashrc which sets up aliases after
running dircolors:

        # set up color-ls
        eval `dircolors /home/syrus/.dir_colors`
        alias d='ls -F --color=auto'
        alias v='ls -l --color=auto'
        alias vdir='ls -l --color=auto'
        alias dir='ls -F
--color=auto'                                                 

Note that color=tty has been changes to color=auto.  See the
documentation for other change information.

Thanks, no further help is needed.


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From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Douglas Bates wrote:
> For example, Bruce Perens mentioned on this list some time ago that
> the combination of the IDE controller in the Triton chipset with an
> EIDE drive is as fast as fast, wide SCSI. I found that the system I
> was using had the Triton chipset and enabled the Triton-specific
> optimizations in the kernel. The results were very pleasing.
 
I didn't say wide fast. On my system I am getting about 5 MBPS on IDE from
a Quantum Fireball drive, which is as fast as my narrow fast SCSI drive
on a narrow fast Adaptec AIC-7850 SCSI on the same motherboard (an IWILL
P54TS). The speed seems to be limited by the disk media, not by any 
difference between IDE and SCSI.

From: Sherwood Botsford <sherwood@space.ualberta.ca>
> That would depend on how hard the disk subsystem is being hammered.
> SCSI's advantage is that it can handle multiple outstanding requests at
> the same time, while EIDE has to wait for one to complete before it can
> start a second one.
[...]
> (This allows the drive to start being clever and resort
> the queue'd I/O's for fastest return.  E.g. If the head is on cylinder
> 7, and it gets a read request for cylinder 2000, and cylinder 500, it
> will do the 500 on the way to the one for 2000.)

Linux can do the ladder-seek algorithm in software for IDE drives, so
much of the intellegence of the SCSI drive is duplicated for IDE and
you get the closest blocks first just as you would with SCSI. The advantage
of the on-board disk cache is reduced, as Linux duplicates it with its own
cache on a faster bus.

No doubt SCSI works better for multiple devices on a single controller.
However, for my configuration this is probably moot - the Triton
provides two DMA capable IDE busses each with its own PCI bridge, and I
have one disk on each.

	Bruce


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Craig Sanders writes ("lots of dpkg ideas for discussion (was Re: GCC frepo (continue))"):
...
> if dpkg were to keep a list of all selected files and a list of
> pathnames to available deb files, then it could simply iterate through
> the list of selected packages.

The information is already in dpkg's status areas.

If you take the first word from each Status: line in
/var/lib/dpkg/status and copy it to the corresponding place on another
machine you'll have copied the selectedness or otherwise of all the
packages.

Ian.

(Wild crossposting and CCs removed.)


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Dominik Kubla writes ("Re: des encryption.. "):
> Look at my SSLeay Package (not yet fully functional) at
>    ftp://ftp.uni-mainz.de/pub/Linux/debian-local/
> 
> It contains the whole familiy of des commands. (BTW. This is the first
> Debian package to actually use /opt, so make sure your root partition has
> enought free space before installing it or make a symlink /opt -> /usr/opt)

Can we please put /opt -> /usr/opt and the empty /opt tree in the base
package, before things get any worse ?

Also I propose to mandate in the policy manual that packages which use
/opt should provide appropriate links or files in
/opt/{bin,lib,man,include,info,doc} and that packages which search
paths must look in /opt too.  Comments ?  (And see the recent
FSSTND/FHS work on /opt - it's deliberately very vague.)

Ian.


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>>>>> "bruce" == Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> writes:
[...]
    > It's not likely that dpkg/dselect put the system in this
    > state on its own.  Things that wedge the system and then
    > make e2fsck not run generally have to do with the shared
    > library files containing corrupt data. This could be a
    > problem with the data on the disk, or bad RAM. Probably a
    > re-install would be a good idea at this point, since the
    > data on the disk is suspect.

I agree with that - the next morning e2fsck was able to fix the
problem with no trouble!  Sounds like hardware to me.  Now all I
have to do is track down the problem.

[...]
    > People get upset when I point at hardware, because of
    > course Windows 95 runs fine...
Of course, the first thing I did when I got my machine was delete
all that windows 95 stuff.  Keeps life simple.


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Rob Browning writes ("Consensus about /bin/perl."):
> So what was the decision about /bin/perl, and the packages that depend
> on it right now (kernel-*, etc).  Should it be a symlink, or should
> these packages just be fixed?

Both.

> Just wanted to know so know whether or not I should create the link or
> patch the scripts on my systems.

Create the link - it's the quickest short-term fix.  The scripts will
be updated later, and Perl will come with the link.

Ian.


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the sources to main (ie. not non-free or contrib) debian packages are
*always* in source on the mirror site...

mirror/binary-i386/admin/dump_0.3-6.deb
mirror/source/admin/dump_0.3-5.diff.gz
mirror/source/admin/dump_0.3-6.tar.gz

(odd that the diff and tar are out of phase, but that could just be
mirror skew; just grab the tar file, unpack it, tweak the dependencies
and version (probably in debian.control) and then ./debian.rules
binary, and you'll end up with an a.out-based package...)


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> On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Douglas Bates wrote:
> > the combination of the IDE controller in the Triton chipset with an
> > EIDE drive is as fast as fast, wide SCSI. 
>
> SCSI's advantage is that it can handle multiple outstanding requests at
> the same time, while EIDE has to wait for one to complete before it can
> start a second one.

SCSI can handle multiple request to _different_ devices on the same
SCSI bus, but I don't think you can have multiple requests to the same
device.

EIDE, on the other hand, can only have one device active at a given
time.  Considering that you can only have two devices, this isn't too
bad, but if one of them is something slow like a tape drive or a
CDROM, it will really slow down a hard disk.

>                                              with a a few meg of cache
> on the drive.  (This allows the drive to start being clever and resort
> the queue'd I/O's for fastest return.  E.g. If the head is on cylinder
> 7, and it gets a read request for cylinder 2000, and cylinder 500, it
> will do the 500 on the way to the one for 2000.)

This is known as elevator seeking and should be done at the OS level.
The order that data is written out is very important for data
reliability, and for this reason, I don't think any hard disk change
the order of the writes.  


The really big problem that IDE had that EIDE fixed was that IDE
couldn't do DMA, so the OS had to move each byte from the disk drive.
On the other hand, SCSI's command overhead can be significant, often
adding up to 10ms to the simplest command.  


I would expect that if you only have one disk per EIDE controller, you
will significantly outperform a single SCSI bus with two disks on it.


-wayne


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> This did not work, however - the make failed (after the best part of an 
> hour had elapsed) when it was unable to find "as86". I could not find 
> as86 anywhere on my system, and so was stuck.

Hmm. Perhaps kernel-package should depend on bin86?  You definitely
need the bin86 package to build a kernel (it has as86 and ld86.)

Package: bin86
Status: install ok installed
Priority: standard
Section: devel
Maintainer: Joost Witteveen <joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl>
Version: 0.3-1
Depends: libc5
Description: Assembler and loader for kernel compilation.


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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> I didn't say wide fast. On my system I am getting about 5 MBPS on IDE from
> a Quantum Fireball drive, which is as fast as my narrow fast SCSI drive
> on a narrow fast Adaptec AIC-7850 SCSI on the same motherboard (an IWILL
> P54TS). The speed seems to be limited by the disk media, not by any 
> difference between IDE and SCSI.

What have you used for testing?  I'm curious to test my own system.
Something more sophisticated than hdparm -t?

> No doubt SCSI works better for multiple devices on a single controller.
> However, for my configuration this is probably moot - the Triton
> provides two DMA capable IDE busses each with its own PCI bridge, and I
> have one disk on each.

So from this it sounds like if you have two IDE drives, you are better
off to put one on each IDE bus.  Is that true?  I looked for some info
about this, but never found any.

Also, I started using the md (RAID0) driver on a couple of machines,
and it seems to work well.  However, you can't test performance with
hdparm since it doesn't understand md devices.  Is there a good
alternative?

One one machine I striped 2 identical Quantum fireballs, and things
seem good, but the other machine has drives of different makes/sizes.
The md HOWTO says that you can stripe drives of different makes and
sizes, but it doesn't say when it makes sense (performance wise) to do
this.  I did it (just to try it out) with a 1GIG Fireball and a 500MB
Caviar.  Could this actually be a win?  I know that you have two
mechanisms doing the fetching, but if one drives is slower than the
other, it seems that you might have a problem...

Thanks
--
Rob


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I have Real Audio working on my debian box. I am running 2.0.0 kernel
which contains the appropriate Voxware sound driver. There was no need
to install USSLite.

Are your other sound utilities working?

--Derek Lee


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The standard kernel image from debian does not support ps2 mouse.
Look in the special-kernels directory. There is a config file for each
kernel to tell you what the kernel supports. I believe the kernel that was
built with config-1 contains ps2 mouse support.  It should contain a
line like 

CONFIG_PSMOUSE=m

which means that psmouse is supported as a module.

Unfortunately, I have not used these kernels so maybe you can confirm
this with somebody else...

--Derek Lee


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>                                                               The advantage
> of the on-board disk cache is reduced, as Linux duplicates it with its own
> cache on a faster bus.

On-board disk caches have _one_ advantage over the Linux disk caching:

  * When data is read off the disk, the head almost invariably starts
    to read data at the wrong sector.  This disk has to keep reading
    data until the correct data rotates under the head.  It is _very_
    easy to throw this information into the on-board cache, just in
    case it can be used later on.  


Caching disk controllers, on the other hand, rarely provide much
benefit when used with Linux...  The memory used by the caching
controller is better used by putting it on the motherboard and letting
Linux manage it...


-wayne


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>In comp.os.linux.networking you write:

>Can you mail me your configuration files, and I'll try to suss out
>the problem.
>
>Cheers,
>
>-- eric

I finally got it working!!! (Hey, I may be a newbie, but I'm a PERSISTANT one!)
I don't know why, but after downloading the source, recompiling diald, setting
it up from scratch, and fixing a few minor problems, it now works. 

I'm not sure what the problem was, I spent many hours trying to find it, but 
it's gone now. If nothing else, I learned a WHOLE lot about diald and it's 
inner workings.

Thanks to everyone for the help, without it I'd still be cursing my computer
and consuming coffee at an alarming rate. 

Tim (the new, self proclaimed diald expert :)


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> What have you used for testing? [disk drive performance].
> I'm curious to test my own system.
> Something more sophisticated than hdparm -t?

Hdparm and "/bin/time dd". I was mostly interested in transfer
rate. Note that you have to not read the same data twice, as otherwise
you get fooled by the Linux disk block cache.

> So from this it sounds like if you have two IDE drives, you are better
> off to put one on each IDE bus.  Is that true?  I looked for some info
> about this, but never found any.

I am assuming that I get concurrency that way.

> Also, I started using the md (RAID0) driver on a couple of machines,
> and it seems to work well.  However, you can't test performance with
> hdparm since it doesn't understand md devices.  Is there a good
> alternative?

"dd" is simple-minded, but that's not necessarily bad. There are disk
benchmarks available, but I am not familiar with them.

> The md HOWTO says that you can stripe drives of different makes and
> sizes, but it doesn't say when it makes sense (performance wise) to do
> this. I did it (just to try it out) with a 1GIG Fireball and a 500MB
> Caviar. Could this actually be a win? I know that you have two
> mechanisms doing the fetching, but if one drives is slower than the
> other, it seems that you might have a problem...

I have one old Caviar 2340 that I have tried on the same machine, and it
is less than half the speed of the Quantum. You'd have to run a benchmark
to see how the thing performed.

	Bruce


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> Is there shadow password support for debian yet? (Or PAM?)

Yes. There is an experimental shadow package, and a libpam has
recently been uploaded (expect it to be visible in a few days).

> Does debian use the "user groups" system that redhat uses, that makes each
> user be in a group containing only themselves, so the umask can be set to
> 002? I see in /etc/group that each user does get placed in their own
> group.

If you want to, you can change this behaviour. (USERHOMES var in 
/etc/adduser.conf)

> Does dpkg have any way to verify a package? If anyone's familiar with rpm
> -V, that's what I'm looking for.. something that can list what files in a
> package have been modified since it was installed. I think I'm out of
> luck here :-( 

dpkg does know about "configuration files" per package. If you've modified
them, and upgrade to a package with a new version of that config file,
dpkg will prompt you to choose between keeping your current file, or
switching to the new default.
You can do "dpkg -s <package>" to list its conffiles.
E.g. adduser has /etc/adduser.conf as a conffile.

Hope this helps,
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There is a package called bin86 in the devel area which contains the 
as86 and ld86 binaries, which are necessary for kernel-compilation.
Once you have these, the compilation should proceed smoothly.

I don't know if this is properly a bug in the distribution, though, because
you don't need the x86 assembler for compiling on, say, a PowerPc.  But I
definitely agree with you that somewhere there should be a x86 README or
something that makes it easier to figure this out.

>Ideally, however, I would have liked to compile a kernel which supported 
>the PS/2 mouse, as well as some other features of the GATEWAY 2000, such 
>as APM, and use that. I downloaded and installed the kernel source 
>package from 1.1.3, configured it, and tried to make the image by doing
>	./debian.rules
>
>This did not work, however - the make failed (after the best part of an 
>hour had elapsed) when it was unable to find "as86". I could not find 
>as86 anywhere on my system, and so was stuck.
>
>Am I doing something wrong, or is it the case that the kernel-source 
>package is flawed ?
>


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Here I thought that last night (Fri) I was gonna get my system out of
the stone age (ISA 486-50) and into the bronze age (PCI 486-133)..
I believe I *hate* Adaptek 2940 controllers.... :( The old system
had a 1542b... everything worked fine. I recompiled the 2.0.11 to
include the aic7xxx drivers and the PCI support, swapped everything 
over, watched as the system booted, and watched the errors scroll
across the screen... :( I'm getting alternating (abort_reset) and
Warning-No command for SCB0 messages. I've never gotten the system
to get past trying to mount the partitions.

Does *anyone* have a clue as to what could be wrong? I'm back up
on the old system now, but would really like to see the 2940 and the
Stealth64 running...

Tim

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Well its been a few years since I used unix.. so

1.  How do I used FIND to find say.. core files and delete em I know that
it should
look something like this...  find -name core -exec rm

2. How do I use FIND to find files bigger than 1024k and using -ok if i
want to 
delete or not..

3. In what ini file do I put my aliases so I get em all the time when I
start a bash
shell in a xterm window?

and i'm allso intrested in all kinds of smart tricks to make things easier.
I was thinking
of putting in a Linux tips 'n tricks on my web page..


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Joey Hess writes ("new to debian; some questions"):
...
> Does debian use the "user groups" system that redhat uses, that makes each
> user be in a group containing only themselves, so the umask can be set to
> 002? I see in /etc/group that each user does get placed in their own
> group. But I see in /etc/profile that the umask is set to 022.. Can I
> change that to 002 safely? 

Yes, you can, but adduser will edit it when it installs people's
.profile's anyway.

Ian.


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On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Dan Bergman wrote:

	This isn't really germane to Debian, but I'm responding to the list
as an error-checking scheme.

> Well its been a few years since I used unix.. so

	Welcome back to the fold; I'm sure you'll find Linux to be at least
as rewarding (and outright fun-ner) than commercial Unices.

> 1.  How do I used FIND to find say.. core files and delete em I know that
> it should> look something like this...  find -name core -exec rm

	The first item on find's command line needs to be the directory that
find starts its looking in; if you're using -exec, you also have to throw in
some stuff (curley braces to show find where to drop in the filenames to give
to the command you're -exec'ing) after the "rm" (in your example).  Ie,
    find . -name core -exec rm {} \;  		#starts in your pwd
    find /var/spool -name core -exec rm {} \;	#starts in /var/spool
    find / -name core -exec rm {} \;		#starts in /

> 2. How do I use FIND to find files bigger than 1024k and using -ok if i
> want to > delete or not..

	For the first half of your question, use "-size +1024k"; to do a
sanity check on whether or not to delete any particular file, I use 
rm's "-i" switch, ie
    find / -name core -size +1024k -exec rm -i {} \;

> 3. In what ini file do I put my aliases so I get em all the time when I
> start a bash> shell in a xterm window?

	By default, xterm windows aren't run as "login shells," though you
can tell them to be by using the "-ls" switch on the command line or throwing
    XTerm*loginShell:	yes
into your ~/.Xdefaults shell.  If an xterm is launched as a login shell, 
it'll source ~/.bash_profile .  If the xterm in question isn't started as a
login shell, it'll pay attention to ~/.bashrc .
	I got tired of having to edit both .bash_profile and .bashrc so I 
put everthing to be done regardless of login_shell-ness in a file I call 
.bash_common, then have both .bash_profile and .bashrc source it.

> and i'm allso intrested in all kinds of smart tricks to make things easier.
> I was thinking> of putting in a Linux tips 'n tricks on my web page..

	Once you have it up, send mail to Matt Welsh (see the LDP homepage
at http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/ ) to see if he'll put a link to it in the 
LDP pages.  He recently added a link to a tips&tricks page 
( http://www.hti.net/~moz/linux.htm ) and I can't see why he'd object to 
having more.


Luck,

David winters+@pitt.edu aka winters+@cs.cmu.edu
Office: 3503 WeH, x86720
MTFBWY


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I had to change my base_io address on my adaptec 1542
controller to 0x234.  I had to do this to get my audiotrix
pro card to work with the midi port.  I put the following
line at the top of my /etc/lilo.conf file:

append = "aha1542=0x234"

This is the boot prompt parameter documented in the
adaptec.c file, however the module is unable to load.  I get
this error message at boot time:

Initialization of aha1542 failed
scsi_mod: Device or resource busy

I'm sure I reran lilo.  I also did a depmod -a (just in
case!) but I still get the same results.  I try to load it
manually with modload aha1542, but i get the same error.

lsmod shows:

# lsmod
Module:        #pages:  Used by:
ppp                5            1 (autoclean)
slhc               2    [ppp]   1 (autoclean)
sound             24            1 (autoclean)
scsi_mod          10            2


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Derek Lee wrote:

> I have Real Audio working on my debian box. I am running 2.0.0 kernel
> which contains the appropriate Voxware sound driver. There was no need
> to install USSLite.
> 
> Are your other sound utilities working?
> 
> --Derek Lee
> 

I'm having a problem getting anything to do with sound to
work.  I get this at boot time:

Starting the Network Audio System
Checking quotas: Done
Making quota files sparse: Done
Turning on quotas
starting /usr/sbin/snmpd ...
starting /usr/sbin/watchdog ...

Fatal server error:
could not create audio connection block info


I don't know how to test the card.  Its an Audiotrix Pro
card that's configured correctly under windows.  I used the
same settings in the kernel config, but I'm not sure what
first and second audio mean.  I took it to mean 1st=play_dma
and 2nd=rec_dma.  I'd appreciate any help with this too.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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13 days with no sleep and counting ...



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Hi!

I got that "Debian  Linux 1.1" CD from iConnect when I returned 
from my summer vacation...

I have an ASUS SP3G Motherboard with an ISA ET4000 video card (which 
already brought me lots of trouble in the past with the Setup preset 
value of the NCR Chip's IRQ being the same as the ET4000's IRQ).
Changing the NCR Chip's IRQ to 11 solved this in the end... 

OK. The "buzz" stock boot kernel seemed to have no NCR SCSI support.

I then discovered the MAKE_FLOOPIES script and choose "NCR53C7/8xx" 
from the MAKE_FLOPPIES menue. Booting that kernel gives:

	scsi0: bus busy, attempting abort
and the kernel hangs/waits after that. This is more than nothing, but...

I had (and still have) no trouble booting the 1.2.13 kernel from my 
former Slackware installation.

Any suggestions, then?

Thank you very much.
Best wishes

Mathias Bartsch


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Hello folks.  My dad just got a nice laptop: IBM Thinkpad 560.
I'm trying to install 1.1 on it, but I can't get it to read
the ROOT disk from the floppy.  I did write "floppy=thinkpad"
on the boot line as well as leaving it out.  The error is:

	end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00, sector 0

The hard drive and processor were correctly detected according
to the messages during bootup.  The RAMDISK was apparently enabled
correctly, so the only problem is with the floppy.  It is an
external floppy.  When it tries to find the ROOT disk, the floppy
is briefly accessed.

I'd appreciate any help or pointers.  I'm already reading the "Linux
on Thinkpads" web page.

Thanks.  Syrus.


----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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Is it possible to install Linux over an ethernet Lan?

I have two computers at home which I hope to connect together 
into a mini-Lan. 

The first computer is a notebook with an ethernet card.

The second computer does not have an monitor, it has a cpu, ram, 
hard-drive, floppy drive, and ethernet card.

Does anyone know if there some way I can boot the second computer 
from it's floppy, and use the screen and keyboard on the notebook 
to interact with and install Linux on computer 2?


thanks

Alan


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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> > if dpkg were to keep a list of all selected files and a list of
> > pathnames to available deb files, then it could simply iterate
> > through the list of selected packages.
>
> The information is already in dpkg's status areas.
>
> If you take the first word from each Status: line in
> /var/lib/dpkg/status and copy it to the corresponding place on another
> machine you'll have copied the selectedness or otherwise of all the
> packages.

Extracting the status line is easy.  finding where the files are located
isn't so easy.

maybe it's simpler to just leave the job of finding where the files are to
dselect...

it's still not clear what fields are actually needed by dpkg - if I do
something like: 

    grep -i "^$\|^Package:\|^Status:" /var/lib/dpkg/status | \
        sed -e 's/\(^Status:\)\([ 	]\)*\([^ ]*\)\(.*\)/\1 \3/'

or use an awk script like: 

    #! /usr/bin/awk -f

    /^Package:/ { print } 
    /^Status:/  { print $1 " " $2 } 
    /^$/    { print } 


both of which produce a list like:

        Package: vim
        Status: install

        Package: xterm-color
        Status: install

        Package: gnushogi
        Status: purge

        Package: xpaint
        Status: install


for obvious reasons, i'm a bit reluctant to experiment with the live
data in /var/lib/dpkg on my working system, so i have a few questions...

If i take this output and copy it to /var/lib/dpkg/status on a machine
which has just had base installed, then what will dselect do with it?
Will it get the remaining information (Version, Section etc) next time
[U]pdate is run?

How will dselect handle the fact that the "install" keyword is there
on the Status: line, but nothing else)? Is that acceptable/normal to
dselect?




As for the other ideas, it seems obvious that no one at all is even
vaguely interested in discussing ideas for improvements to or changes to
the way dpkg works.


> (Wild crossposting and CCs removed.)

(obnoxious comment left in)

Craig



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I've installed xpaint on my system, and every time I run dselect it complains
about pbmplus being unavailable--even though pbmplus has been superseded by
netpbm, and I have netpbm installed.  Is there some way to get deselect to
stop complaining about this non-problem?  I could go and hack on some files in
/var/lib/dpkg, but that would only work until the next time I do an upgrade
via ftp.  It would be nice to have an option in dselect/dpkg to mark something
as "yeah, I know, enough already" or something like that.

Also: there doesn't seem to be any straightforward way to downgrade a package
using dselect.  There are times when this could be important, like when you
upgrade and it unexpectedly breaks something vital.

-Randy
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Hello,

I tried to use the nis 1.20 package but have a problem: I setup a server
on my machine, but when I run ypbind it makes endless connections:

marin54# !y
ypserv -d
[Welcome to the NYS YP Server, version 0.18 (with securenets)]
Find securenet: 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.0
Find securenet: 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0
ypserv.conf: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0:*:0:0:2
ypproc_domain_nonack("puceron") [From: 127.0.0.1:1595]
connect from 127.0.0.1
        -> OK.
ypproc_domain_nonack("puceron") [From: 127.0.0.1:1597]
connect from 127.0.0.1
        -> OK.
ypproc_domain_nonack("puceron") [From: 127.0.0.1:1599]
connect from 127.0.0.1
        -> OK.
ypproc_domain_nonack("puceron") [From: 127.0.0.1:1601]
connect from 127.0.0.1
        -> OK.
ypproc_domain_nonack("puceron") [From: 127.0.0.1:1603]
connect from 127.0.0.1
        -> OK.

[etc].

This brings my machine to its knees unless I kill ypbind. I don't know
what is wrong and have setup NIS as said in the NIS HOWTO. The only
difference I find is:

marin# rpcinfo -u localhost ypserv
program 100004 version 1 ready and waiting
program 100004 version 2 ready and waiting

where in the HOWTO only the second line is here.

Do you have any idea of what can be wrong?

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Hi Gordon (Gordon works for my NSP :-)

On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Gordon Henderson wrote:

> Anyone using Linux with Dec ethernet 100Mb ethernet cards? I'm wondering
> if it's suitable as I have an application that might need 2 x 100Mb ports
> and a 10Mb port - thinking of running it on a P120. 

Haven't tried 100Mb yet but the best bet seems to be cards based on the 
DEC Tulip chipset - like the SMC EtherPower 10/100

> It would need to run gated & take a full routing table ( >37K routes). Is 
> Linux up to that yet - I havn't been following any of the networking or 
> routing lists as of late - still running 1.2.13!

I'll let you know in a week or two :-)

I've almost finished getting gated 3.6a2 going under Debian. Large 
routing table don't appear to be a problem as of 1.3.x as a new radix 
tree-like method was implemented. Indeed I've been let to believe that 
37K routes would only take up about 8Mb of memory.

I'm planning to buy a Sangoma sync card and try full BGP4 peering with it 
via a new Internet link I'm going to order. Then I'll be building 
another box to connect to VBC ;-)

Drop me a private email and I'll bring you up to speed.

Dermot

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	Im haveing module problums.....SIGH....I installed 1.1..kernel 
2.0.0..since this is going on my thinkpad 500..4Megs of memory...i built 
myself a real lean kernel....:).

...........................well in the "old" way..make 
clean,dep,zImage.modules,module_install....and got

................................. "insmod:Loading 
failed! the module symbols (from linux-2.0.0) don't match your 
linux-2.0.0"

..............so i hack about a bit..and i find "debian.rules"...AH 
Ha!..."./debian.rules kernel_image"...12 hours later i have a 
kernel."stuff".deb file...i install and configure..reboot and.....

insmod: unregister_8022_client undefind
insmod: unregister_snap_client undefind
insmod: unregister_8022tr_client undefind
insmod: register_8022tr_client undefind
insmod: make_EII_client undefind
insmod: make_8023_client undefind
insmod: destroy_8023_client undefind
insmod: destroy_EII_client undefind

insmod:Loadingfailed! the module symbols (from linux-2.0.0) don't match your 
linux-2.0.0

modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5

	I had a look through the messages i had saved from the list,and came 
up with "make-kpkg kernel_image"..which seems not to be on my 
system.....nether find nor a serch through the relivent files seem to 
reveale it. 
	I have clearly missed somthing...help.
jeff


 



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On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Tim 'The Unslept' Sailer wrote:

> I recompiled the 2.0.11 to include the aic7xxx drivers and the PCI
> support, swapped everything over, watched as the system booted, and
> watched the errors scroll across the screen... [...deleted...]
>
> Does *anyone* have a clue as to what could be wrong? I'm back up on
> the old system now, but would really like to see the 2940 and the
> Stealth64 running...

my machine at work is a p100 with a trio64 card and an adaptec 2940W.
It works fine, and has worked fine since I installed it (about 8 weeks
ago).  it currently has about 7 gig of scsi disk space.

i remember reading in the documentation for the motherboard that with
some combinations of pci cards (including some graphics & some scsi
cards) that you had to set certain m/b jumpers and put the pci cards in
specific slots.

check your hardware manuals to see if your m/b has any similar caveats.

if that fails, try it with a different graphics card (an old ISA bus
card if you have one lying around)...


Craig


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I want to install debian 1.1 on a pentium with an adaptec 2940 UW scsi
controller.  Unfortunately, my installation seems to be stymied by the
aic7xxx driver that comes with kernels 2.0.0 through 2.0.6, resulting
in completely corrupted filesystems once I've gotten to the point of
installing the base system and rebooting.

On another machine I have compiled kernel 2.0.7 plus the aic7xxx patch
(Jul22/96) that seems to fix this problem (for an older VLB with
aha2842).

What I would like to do is use this patched kernel on my "boot"
installation disk.  As far as I can tell, none of the current boot
disks incorporate this patch.

How do I either modify an existing boot installation disk, or make my
own, to incorporate this patch?

Failing that, does anybody have any ideas on how to work-around the
driver problem?  I tried installing debian 0.93R6, but it doesn't
recognize this (rather new) controller at all.

Thanks for any ideas


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I just wanted to update to the latest Debian-1.1.4 with 
netstd_2.06-1, but dpkg gives the following error:

(Reading database ... 20260 files and directories currently 
installed.)
Preparing to replace netstd (using netstd_2.06-1.deb) ...
Can't locate DebianNet.pm in @INC at /usr/sbin/update-inetd line 23.
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
Can't locate DebianNet.pm in @INC at /usr/sbin/update-inetd line 23.
dpkg: error processing netstd_2.06-1.deb (--install):
 subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
Can't locate DebianNet.pm in @INC at /var/lib/dpkg/info/netstd.postins
t line 4.
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 netstd_2.06-1.deb

Anyone knows what's happening ?

Phil.



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Craig Sanders writes ("Re: lots of dpkg ideas for discussion (was Re: GCC frepo (continue))"):
...
> Extracting the status line is easy.  finding where the files are located
> isn't so easy.

You can get dselect to find the files for you.

> maybe it's simpler to just leave the job of finding where the files are to
> dselect...
> 
> it's still not clear what fields are actually needed by dpkg - if I do
> something like: 
> [ hacky stuff deleted ]
> for obvious reasons, i'm a bit reluctant to experiment with the live
> data in /var/lib/dpkg on my working system, so i have a few questions...

Just as well.

> If i take this output and copy it to /var/lib/dpkg/status on a machine
> which has just had base installed, then what will dselect do with it?
> Will it get the remaining information (Version, Section etc) next time
> [U]pdate is run?

No.

> How will dselect handle the fact that the "install" keyword is there
> on the Status: line, but nothing else)? Is that acceptable/normal to
> dselect?

No.

You must do exactly what I said: copy only the first word of the
Status field of each package's entry, and replace the first word of
the corresponding entry on the other system.  The first word is the
`desired state' as set by dselect's selection interface and used by
the [I]nstall option.

If there isn't an entry for a package you want then make one like
this:
  Package: whatever
  Status: install ok not-installed

Ian.


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On Aug 9,  8:18am, Michael_Laing@harvard.edu wrote:
> Subject: installation boot fails with standard bootdisk on 486SX/33
: Installation fails on this old machine shortly after hitting return
: at the 'Boot Parameters' prompt using the standard bootdisk. Linux
: 1.2.13 runs fine.
: I suspect (based upon bug reports) that APM is enabled in the kernel
: on the standard bootdisk and that this is the problem.

The kernel should print a few lines of information before it first touches
APM, this is not the problem.

From: "Christopher R. Hertel" <crh@nts.umn.edu>
> On my system (brand-new AMD-486DX4-120), the error that I get tells me
> that the failure is occuring as the kernel is being decompressed.

OK - if this is true that means:

1. Bad data on the floppy. Most common. Re-download and write another.
2. "LFB" setting in your BIOS wrong. See the installation document. Rare.
3. Bad RAM or other hardware. Happens _rarely_, but has indeed happened.

> try turning off the cache and see
> if that fixes the problem. If it does, report it as a bug.

It is best reported to linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu and copied to us.
It's not really our job to fix the kernel - we just distribute it.

> Given the type of problem you've reported, you might hear the infamous
> "hardware instability that doesn't show up when running DOS or older
> versions of Linux because the newest Linux makes your machine work
> harder" cop-out.  This is a completely invalid argument, IMO.  I've
> heard it several times (not in the message quoted above :).  If I can
> run older versions of Linux, and a new one shows up that doesn't run,
> then I claim that the problem is in the new software.

Sigh. I wish you'd spend some time supporting new users booting their
systems for a while. We really do need the help. It might change your
opinions, too.

You could start by reading the kernel source for the code that decompresses
Linux once it's been loaded into memory. Get a good idea of what can go
wrong with that code, and what it will say when something does go wrong.
Then help all the people who don't get anywhere after the boot: prompt.

> Now I'm being told that I can't install Debian with the 2.0.x
> kernel because my hardware is incompatible?  This just doen't make
> sense!

Huh? What hardware? Who said it was incompatible?

> Sorry if I sound a bit peeved about all this...
> ...but I am.

Pardon me for saying so, but please try to be a bit more constructive. This
is an all volunteer unpaid project.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Randy Gobbel writes ("How to make dselect shut up?"):
> I've installed xpaint on my system, and every time I run dselect it complains
> about pbmplus being unavailable--even though pbmplus has been superseded by
> netpbm, and I have netpbm installed.  Is there some way to get deselect to
> stop complaining about this non-problem?  I could go and hack on some files in
> /var/lib/dpkg, but that would only work until the next time I do an upgrade
> via ftp.  It would be nice to have an option in dselect/dpkg to mark something
> as "yeah, I know, enough already" or something like that.

Which package is it that wants pbmplus ?  The real solution is to get
that fixed so that dselect has the right information.

I agree that an `I know already' option would be a good idea.  Don't
hold your breath waiting for me to implement it.

> Also: there doesn't seem to be any straightforward way to downgrade a package
> using dselect.  There are times when this could be important, like when you
> upgrade and it unexpectedly breaks something vital.

Use dpkg by hand.

Ian.


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From: sailer@sun10.sep.bnl.gov (Tim 'The Unslept' Sailer)

> I believe I *hate* Adaptek 2940 controllers.... :( The old system
> had a 1542b... everything worked fine. I recompiled the 2.0.11 to
> include the aic7xxx drivers and the PCI support, swapped everything 
> over, watched as the system booted, and watched the errors scroll
> across the screen... :( I'm getting alternating (abort_reset) and
> Warning-No command for SCB0 messages. I've never gotten the system
> to get past trying to mount the partitions.

The Adaptec experts are at aic7xxx@freebsd.org - they also maintain
the Linux driver (which is a port of the FreeBSD driver).

Try removing any other SCSI device drivers from the system. Some of them
touch the Adaptec. That's a long shot, since you have a custom kernel.
This really is a problem on the generic kernel.

My AIC-7850 (on the motherboard) is working using that driver and 2.0.6 .

	Bruce


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Hi, as I warned, I have many more questions. Here are the first three:

1. This question is more of a general bash question and if I
shouldn't be posting it here someone let me know and I won't
pester this group about it any more. All the following applies
to the root account, I haven't checked it for an ordinary user yet.

After I modified my root/.bash_profile
and /.bashrc files to include a couple of alias commands dselect
started telling me that I needed /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin
in my PATH when I ran the Install part of it. So added the line:

set PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin"

to /root/.bash_profile and /root/.bashrc. In addition, in /etc/profile
is the lines:

PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:."
PS1="\\$ "

export PATH PS1


Now when I say echo $PATH in the login shell I get:

/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:.

and when I say echo $PATH in shells started with xterm (in shells
started after the first shell in an xsession gets started) I get:

/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11


As you can see the PATH in the login shell didn't seem to get the
/usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin or /sbin directories and the PATH in the xterm shell
doesn't have /usr/games in it. I checked and executables in the /usr/games
directory aren't recognized in the xterm shell. One other anomaly I noticed
is that the type size is smaller in the shell started by xterm.

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?


The next two questions are more debian related.

2. I'm trying to add packages to my installation, among them lyx and
mailcrypt and taper. Dselect complains that lyx needs the package
xforms and mailcrypt needs pgp. However, I have downloaded both of
these packages and told dselect about them. When it asks to

Enter _main_ binary dir

I tell it

/dos/deblin/buzz-fix/i386

Enter _contrib_ binary dir

I tell it

/dos/deblin/contrib/i386

and for Enter _non-free_ binary dir

I tell it

/dos/deblin/non-free/i386.

which is where both the packages.gz and the .deb files reside.

I then tell it to Update and then Select and the list in select
contains the packages I expect to see, including pgp-us.deb and xforms.deb.
However, it doesn't seem to install these and I still get errors telling
me that lyx wants xforms and mailcrypt wants pgp.
It also tells me that taper wants ftape which I don't have (see question 3).

What am I doing wrong with dselect that it won't recognize packages
which I know are there?

3. I can't find ftape anywhere. Does anyone know where to find this?

Thanks in advance.

Chris Beamis


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There's a ThinkPad FAQ in the Linux FAQ collection.

	Bruce


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Try running "depmod -a" after you install a new kernel and modules.
That might fix the undefined symbols.
Regarding the net-pf-X problems, these will not kill your system, but the
fix is to add "alias net-pf-4 off" and "alias net-pf-5 off" in
/etc/conf.modules . These should probably be done for you in the modules
package.

	Bruce


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For Debian, you can do the installation using the 5 floppies, and then all
other software can be auto-loaded by "dselect" via FTP. We can do better
than that, and will in 1.2 if I get time (or a volunteer to work on the
installation system).

	Thanks

	Bruce


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> How do I either modify an existing boot installation disk, or make my
> own, to incorporate this patch?

Boot floppies for 1.1 are MSDOS filesystems. The file "linux" contains
the kernel. Just replace it.

	Bruce


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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> For Debian, you can do the installation using the 5 floppies, and then all
> other software can be auto-loaded by "dselect" via FTP. We can do better
> than that, and will in 1.2 if I get time (or a volunteer to work on the
> installation system).

When I installed Debian 2 days ago, I was wishing that instead of the 3
"base" floppies, it could at least use a .tar.gz file containing
the same stuff somewhere on an existing ext2 partition. A small change (?)
like that would make the install a lot easier.

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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> 
> Try running "depmod -a" after you install a new kernel and modules.
> That might fix the undefined symbols.

	Yes after i wrote the originall message i gave this a try..sadly no 
it did not fix it..


> Regarding the net-pf-X problems, these will not kill your system, but the
> fix is to add "alias net-pf-4 off" and "alias net-pf-5 off" in
> /etc/conf.modules . These should probably be done for you in the modules
> package.


	Yes thanks..that did fix the later...
jeff


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Me: New user of Debian Linux on 486.

Problem: sound module insists on looking at IRQ 7 ("sb: Interrupt test
on IRQ 7 failed - device disabled" or something like that).  Need it to
look at IRQ 5.

Hardware: unknown brand 8-bit Soundblaster-compatible mono... jumper-set
to IRQ 5 by choice.  Port 220, DMA 1.

Tried: adding arguments to module (eg. insmod sound irq=5), searching on
web, reading old debian-user list archives, reading Linux HOWTO on
soundcards (they say recompile kernel... but this is such an easy thing
there's got to be something I missed, right?).

Asking for: pointers to man pages, documents or web pages I missed,
please?  Or a simple answer.  :)

Thanx for all replies in advance!

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From: Joey Hess <joey@kite.preferred.com>
> When I installed Debian 2 days ago, I was wishing that instead of the 3
> "base" floppies, it could at least use a .tar.gz file containing
> the same stuff somewhere on an existing ext2 partition. A small change (?)
> like that would make the install a lot easier.

It will look for /*/base1_1.tgz and /*/*/base1_1.tgz when it goes to
install the base archive. base1_1.tgz is in the same directory as the
boot floppy images on the FTP server, and is a gzip-compressed tar
archive. You can mount a disk containing it before selecting "install
the base system", or you can boot with a CD or disk cartrige root
containing it. If it finds base1_1.tgz, it will not ask for the 3 base
floppies.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Bruce:
> Try running "depmod -a" after you install a new kernel and modules.
> That might fix the undefined symbols.

From: Jeff Mickey <jmic@tezcat.com>
> Yes after i wrote the originall message i gave this a try..sadly no 
> it did not fix it..

The module it is looking for is /lib/modules/current/net/8390.o .
Try pre-loading it with "modprobe".

	Bruce


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>>>>> On Mon, 12 Aug 96 03:31 BST, Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk> said:
> Randy Gobbel writes ("How to make dselect shut up?"):
>> I've installed xpaint on my system, and every time I run dselect it complains
>> about pbmplus being unavailable--even though pbmplus has been superseded by
>> netpbm, and I have netpbm installed.

> Which package is it that wants pbmplus ?  The real solution is to get
> that fixed so that dselect has the right information.

It's xpaint.  Yes, all that really needs to be done is to have xpaint suggest
netpbm instead of pbmplus.  Should be utterly trivial.

-Randy
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Hi,

	I'm not sure why the module problems exist (I only had those
 problems with old modules lying around), but I can explain the
 make-kpkg stuff.

	Older versions of what is now called kernel-package used to be
 part of the kernel-source package (I think that kernel-source
 packages continue to be released with the kernel-package package
 built in for historical reasons).  The older kernel-{source,package}
 packages did not contain the make-kpkg command.

	The kernel-package package is designed to work with bare
 kernel sources, so you could update your sources ny backing up and
 removind debian* stuff from your kernel sources tree, and installing
 kernel-package_2.03 (which provides make-kpkg).

	Unfortunately, I can't guarantee that the newer kernel-package
 will build a kernel that would not be problematic, since I don't
 understand what is causing it (I think that ./debian.rule
 kernel_image should have produced a kernel that worked).  


	I hope this helps.

	manoj
>>"Jeff" == Jeff Mickey <jmic@tezcat.com> writes:

Jeff> Im haveing module problums.....SIGH....I installed 1.1..kernel
Jeff> 2.0.0..since this is going on my thinkpad 500..4Megs of
Jeff> memory...i built myself a real lean kernel....:).


Jeff> ..............so i hack about a bit..and i find
Jeff> "debian.rules"...AH Ha!..."./debian.rules kernel_image"...12
Jeff> hours later i have a kernel."stuff".deb file...i install and
Jeff> configure..reboot and.....


Jeff> I had a look through the messages i had saved from the list,and
Jeff> came up with "make-kpkg kernel_image"..which seems not to be on
Jeff> my system.....nether find nor a serch through the relivent files
Jeff> seem to reveale it.  I have clearly missed somthing...help. jeff

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after running dselect and installing a bunch of stuff.
I finished install.
Now I can't find the ftp option when I go back into dselect.

why?

how do I get it back.

how do I ftp with dpkg, is it possible?

?

thanks,

Joel


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I have a SoundBlaster 32 pnp audio card.  When this card is installed,
my 3Com 3C509B ethernet card is not recognized by Linux at boot time.

The 3C509B is also a pnp device, but pnp is turned off and the card is
manually configured.  There aren't any interrupt or I/O conflicts that I
can identify.  I tried changing both of these settings on the 3COM
card.  It made no difference.

Any ideas as to what's going on?

What is the current level of pnp support by Linux?

Any work arounds?

Jim <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>



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> I just installed fileutils 3.13-3, and now my 'ls' is screwed up.  I 

ls isn't screwed up. RTFM.

> removed color-ls as it said I was supposed to.  I remember reading about 
> how color-ls is now included in fileutils.  However there is no color-ls 
> file in my /usr/bin directory anymore, there is a dircolors file though,  
> doing a dpkg -S dircolors tells me its from the fileutils package.  Why 
> did fileutils install dircolors and not color-ls?  Am I missing something 
> here?

dircolors != color-ls 

Please read the file in /usr/doc/fileutils and /or the info documentation
which comes with fileutils and /or the manpage.

color-ls is obsolete and gone :).

Erick


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> I just installed fileutils 3.13-3, and now my 'ls' is screwed up.  I 

ls isn't screwed up. RTFM.

> removed color-ls as it said I was supposed to.  I remember reading about 
> how color-ls is now included in fileutils.  However there is no color-ls 
> file in my /usr/bin directory anymore, there is a dircolors file though,  
> doing a dpkg -S dircolors tells me its from the fileutils package.  Why 
> did fileutils install dircolors and not color-ls?  Am I missing something 
> here?

dircolors != color-ls 

Please read the file in /usr/doc/fileutils and /or the info documentation
which comes with fileutils and /or the manpage.

color-ls is obsolete and gone :).

Erick


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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

Hi everybody,

> For Debian, you can do the installation using the 5 floppies, and then all
> other software can be auto-loaded by "dselect" via FTP. We can do better
> than that, and will in 1.2 if I get time (or a volunteer to work on the
> installation system).

That's indeed no problem at all. The only thing I had to do is to manually
install dpkg-ftp and the perl package after I've set up the base system
using the 5 floppies. Worked like a charm. No problems at all !

BTW :

Another two collegues convinced of DEBIAN 8-) !

Greetings,

Steffen
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Joey Hess writes:
> Is there shadow password support for debian yet? (Or PAM?)

shadow is under project/experimental. libpam was uploaded a few days ago.

Michael

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> Can we please put /opt -> /usr/opt and the empty /opt tree in the base
> package, before things get any worse ?
> 
> Also I propose to mandate in the policy manual that packages which use
> /opt should provide appropriate links or files in
> /opt/{bin,lib,man,include,info,doc} and that packages which search
> paths must look in /opt too.  Comments ?  (And see the recent
> FSSTND/FHS work on /opt - it's deliberately very vague.)

And where goes the copyright file ? /opt/doc/<package>/copyright ? This will
be messy.  /usr/doc/<package>/copyright seems to be inappropriate as well.


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>     eval `dircolors -b /usr/local/etc/colour-ls.rc`
>     alias ls='ls --color=auto ';
>     alias dir='ls --color=auto --format=vertical';
>     alias vdir='ls --color=auto --format=long';

> Erick, is there a way that you can persuade/hack dircolors to do what the old
> one did? Or put a note in the package to ease transition? 

I presume that the old dircolors did something like the aliases above.
I think these commands are so general that an autoalias done by dircolors is
the proper solution.  I think the way mentioned in
/usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz is a proper way to deal with this leaving
much flexibility to the user.

The ls manpage is up to date, the info files are up to date, the on -line
help is up to date, in /usr/doc/fileutils a file can be found how to get
colorized ls.  I might add a message on postinst of fileutils, but only the
system maintainer looks there when installing the package.  If you folks
don't mind I think the issue has been taken care of quite well and right
now I don't think a change is required. YMMV of course and if one can come
up with a super patch I will implement it.

Erick (your fileutils maintainer)


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>     eval `dircolors -b /usr/local/etc/colour-ls.rc`
>     alias ls='ls --color=auto ';
>     alias dir='ls --color=auto --format=vertical';
>     alias vdir='ls --color=auto --format=long';

> Erick, is there a way that you can persuade/hack dircolors to do what the old
> one did? Or put a note in the package to ease transition? 

I presume that the old dircolors did something like the aliases above.
I think these commands are so general that an autoalias done by dircolors is
the proper solution.  I think the way mentioned in
/usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz is a proper way to deal with this leaving
much flexibility to the user.

The ls manpage is up to date, the info files are up to date, the on -line
help is up to date, in /usr/doc/fileutils a file can be found how to get
colorized ls.  I might add a message on postinst of fileutils, but only the
system maintainer looks there when installing the package.  If you folks
don't mind I think the issue has been taken care of quite well and right
now I don't think a change is required. YMMV of course and if one can come
up with a super patch I will implement it.

Erick (your fileutils maintainer)


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>>>>> "Richard" == "Richard G Roberto" <richr@bear.com> writes:

Richard> On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Derek Lee wrote:
>> I have Real Audio working on my debian box. I am running 2.0.0 kernel
>> which contains the appropriate Voxware sound driver. There was no need
>> to install USSLite.
>> 
>> Are your other sound utilities working?
>> 
>> --Derek Lee
>> 

Richard> I'm having a problem getting anything to do with sound to
Richard> work.  I get this at boot time:

Richard> Starting the Network Audio System
Richard> Checking quotas: Done
Richard> Making quota files sparse: Done
Richard> Turning on quotas
Richard> starting /usr/sbin/snmpd ...
Richard> starting /usr/sbin/watchdog ...

Richard> Fatal server error:
Richard> could not create audio connection block info

Hmm, which kernel version are you running? 

I upgraded to 2.0.0 and found much to my pleasant surprise that my
soundblaster card had started to work. Then I upgraded to 2.0.6 and it
stopped working again (I haven't had time to properly report it yet,
so I haven't the error message at hand but it was something about
allocating an IRQ). Downgrading back to 2.0.0 fixed things.

The "Fatal server error" you get is just the Network Audio System
(NAS) telling you that it can't connect to the sound device.


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Bruce you wrote:
> For Debian, you can do the installation using the 5 floppies, and then all
> other software can be auto-loaded by "dselect" via FTP. We can do better
> than that, and will in 1.2 if I get time (or a volunteer to work on the
> installation system).

But using NFS is more fun and it used to work!  Could we please ensure
that the provided Boot/Root disks have the same Kernel- and Module-Version
than needed by the rest of the system?

I hate it if it takes me 1 day to install a system over the network!

Dominik


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Hi Eric --

You said:
> Problem: sound module insists on looking at IRQ 7 ("sb: Interrupt test
> on IRQ 7 failed - device disabled" or something like that).  Need it to
> look at IRQ 5.
> 
> Hardware: unknown brand 8-bit Soundblaster-compatible mono... jumper-set
> to IRQ 5 by choice.  Port 220, DMA 1.
> 
> Tried: adding arguments to module (eg. insmod sound irq=5), searching on
> web, reading old debian-user list archives, reading Linux HOWTO on
> soundcards (they say recompile kernel... but this is such an easy thing
> there's got to be something I missed, right?).

No, you didn't miss anything.  I, too, wonder why the default IRQ for
sound cards seems to be 7, especially since that's the defualt IRQ for
the parallel port on PC clones.  I believe this ought to be fixed in
the versions of the kernel-* packages that are distributed by the
Debian project.  

Regards,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hello,

I tried to install Debian 1.1 on a 4GB Partition using the kernel 2.07
with NCR8010 Support. The disk is a Quantum Atlas.
After writing 255 inodes on disk the formatting stopped with
the message "Can't resolve symbol llseek".

Does anybody know if the formatting should work in general
and what goes wrong in this special case ?

It would be nice if could also you mail me directly because I could
only read possible answers in the maillist archive ...

bye, Karsten <karsten@ppp.net>


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Dear list members,

I am looking for NFS mountable debian mirrors in Europe.

TIA.

-- 
Billy C.-M. Chow          billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk          Debian Linux


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Ok, I've got a few questions for problems that are for the most part
annoying the hell out of me.

1.  The Bourne Again SHell seems to require a '.\' before the
executable name in order
to be able to execute the program (all programs in the /usr/games
directory).
2.  I've created .bashrc, .bash_profile,  and .bash_aliases in my /root
directory,
and /home/dbl home directory.  However, bash does not seem to load
these up.
I've modified the files to allow for an easier transition from DOS/OS2
command
prompts.
3.  How would I specify to use -o (--colors) as a default option for
color-ls?  (I also
wish to use color-ls when I use the 'ls' command.  So, I would assume I
would
do an

mv /bin/ls /usr/lib
ln -sf /usr/bin/color-ls /usr/bin/ls
ln -sf /usr/lib/ls /usr/bin/old-ls

to replace ls with color-ls?)
4.  Is there any shells for Linux similar to the Rexx shell for OS/2
and AIX, or
is this simply dreaming?
5.  Will the Slackware distribution of Abuse from Crack-Dot-Com work
with
the Debian installation?  (I'm assuming yes, but you never know...)

TIA.


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Dear list,

I have been trying to get latex work on my Debian-1.1 with
2.0.0 kernel on and off for the last couple of weeks.
First, following your advice, I replaced the latex-2e-4.deb
with latex-2e-7.deb and also installed mflib-1.0-8.deb.
I thought that everything was sorted. At last I could
compile simple documents without getting error message:
	' can not find default files ' 
However, with longer documents which I used to be able
to compile cleanly under Slackware things are not that
rosy. Previewing dvi files, I get misaligned page numbers
in table of contents, screwed up tables and documents
look a mess.
I thought I should reinstall all latex packages and so
I did. I downloaded and installed:
	babel_3.6-3.deb
	hyperlatex_1.4pl2-1.deb
	latex2e-doc_1.6-1.deb
	latex_2e-7.deb
	ltxtool_1.0-4.deb
	mflib_1.0-8.deb
	mfnfss_2.1g-2.deb
	xypic_3.2-4.deb
Nothing's changed. I'll appreciate any suggestions?

-- 
Marek



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On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Dan Bergman wrote:

> Well its been a few years since I used unix.. so
> 
> 1.  How do I used FIND to find say.. core files and delete em I know that
> it should
> look something like this...  find -name core -exec rm

find / -name core -exec rm {} \;
     |                      |
     |                      |-find places the file name in here and then 
     |			      executes the command
     |-the direcotory you want to start searching from 
 
> 2. How do I use FIND to find files bigger than 1024k and using -ok if i
> want to 
> delete or not..
> 
> 3. In what ini file do I put my aliases so I get em all the time when I
> start a bash
> shell in a xterm window?

put them in both .bash_rc and .bash_profile in your home directory
 
> and i'm allso intrested in all kinds of smart tricks to make things easier.
> I was thinking
> of putting in a Linux tips 'n tricks on my web page..

Hope this helps

Shaya 
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Shaya Potter
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  Chris> 1. This question is more of a general bash question and if I
  Chris> shouldn't be posting it here someone let me know and I won't pester
  Chris> this group about it any more. All the following applies to the root
  Chris> account, I haven't checked it for an ordinary user yet.

[lots of stuff deleted]

Read the man pages for bash and xterm (or rxvt) and try to understand what
happens. You can have shells that are not login, they use ~/.bashrc. Every
"normal" (ie non-login) xterm reads this file _unless_ you tell xterm to be
start a login shell via the -ls option. Login shells read ~/.bash_profile.

  Chris> 2. I'm trying to add packages to my installation, among them lyx and
  Chris> mailcrypt and taper. Dselect complains that lyx needs the package
  Chris> xforms and mailcrypt needs pgp. However, I have downloaded both of
  Chris> these packages and told dselect about them. When it asks to

When you tell dselect about the directories, it wants to find the
Packages[.gz] file. You might have noticed the error message when that
failed.

If you only want to install three packages, why don't you just use dpkg -i ?

  Chris> 3. I can't find ftape anywhere. Does anyone know where to find this?

Since around 1.3.72, it is in the kernel sources in the directory
/usr/src/linux/drivers/char/ftape.  Just recompile your kernel (use "make
menuconfig" or "make xconfig" instead of make config).

Hope this helps, Dirk

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Christian Lynbech <lynbech@daimi.aau.dk> writes:

> I upgraded to 2.0.0 and found much to my pleasant surprise that my
> soundblaster card had started to work. Then I upgraded to 2.0.6 and it
> stopped working again (I haven't had time to properly report it yet,
> so I haven't the error message at hand but it was something about
> allocating an IRQ). Downgrading back to 2.0.0 fixed things.

Same problem here with a CrystalLake card, but it was again fixed in
2.0.11.

--
Rob


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> 1.  The Bourne Again SHell seems to require a '.\' before the
                                                 |
I guess you mean "./", don't you? ---------------+

> executable name in order to be able to execute the program (all
> programs in the /usr/games directory).

Check your PATH setting: is "." part of the search path?

> 2.  I've created .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .bash_aliases in my
> /root directory, and /home/dbl home directory.  However, bash does
> not seem to load these up.  I've modified the files to allow for an
> easier transition from DOS/OS2 command prompts.

Read the bash manual: 

.bashrc is only loaded by non-interactive shells. Put the following at
the top of your .bash_profile:

  if [ -r $HOME/.bashrc ]
  then
    source $HOME/.bashrc
  fi

And .bash_aliases is not an autoloaded file too, use the same
construct as above.

Dominik


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Since my last post,  I have had a number of requests for a nfs.o
module which works with the 2.0.6 kernel. I have therefore uploaded a
custom kernel deb package for those people who are still having
problems with nfs. The bug has been reported to the maintainers (bug
#3999 of Aug 1st -- Thanks Lazaro.Salem@rf.no for this info) and one
hopes that a fixed kernel package will be available soon. In the
meantime, feel free to use the custom kernel.

For want of a better name it is called:

  kernel-image-2.0.6-custom-1.0.i386.deb

and is in ftp.mcc.ac.uk:/pub/linux/distributions (not in the Debian
tree since it is not official). This package works fine for me, and I
have used it to install the rest of Debian using nfs. However, I do
get intermittent error messages of the form,

  nfs_stat_to_errno: bad nfs status return value: 238

However, these do not appear to cause any harm. Any pointers to what
this error means will nevertheless be much appreciated!

Alvin 

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From: gram@merece.uthscsa.edu (Gilbert Ramirez Jr.)
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As Shaya Potter said:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Dan Bergman wrote:
> 
> > Well its been a few years since I used unix.. so
> > 
> > 3. In what ini file do I put my aliases so I get em all the time when I
> > start a bash
> > shell in a xterm window?
> 
> put them in both .bash_rc and .bash_profile in your home directory
>  

You can also start xterm as a login-shell with:

xterm -ls &

As a login shell, it will read the /etc/profile and ~/.profile files.

Is this method frowned upon? I like it so I don't have to duplicate settings
in .bashrc   

--gilbert

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No more NFS scans in release -33
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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> 
> The module it is looking for is /lib/modules/current/net/8390.o .
> Try pre-loading it with "modprobe".
> 
	That got it..thanks Bruce...Now ill go and figure out Why it wants 
that...i *think* i turned all of the specific net work off infavor of 
pcmcia...
jeff


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Hi!

Why does kerneld load the IPX module while the localhost's loopback
interface is being set up? (ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1)
I see no need to it... stracing ifconfig shows that it makes an IPX call
(and also an AX.25 and some other calls). This didn't happened with and
old Slackware based installation, and, altough harmless (the module gets
cleanly unloaded) annoys me a bit.
Any ideas?

Bye & Good Luck!

Pablo B.




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Hi!

I've upgraded to Debian 1.1 two days ago and have some doubts...

I used to have installed lots of packages I couldn't find in a debianized
form (fetchpop, ImageMagick, and lots more). I see several alternatives,
but I'd like a recommendation...

 1) Wait till somebody releases a debianized package (I don't think this
will be the best, though)

 2) Install everything as it comes under /usr/local, and keep the mess
confined there. (A last resort, isn't it?)

 3) Make an attempt to 'debianize' the packages, installing them under
/usr/local with dpkg (my 'own debianization', in fact).

 4) Try to debianize the packages in a FSSTND compliant way, to
eventually install them with dpkg. (I'd need a spare year... <g>)

Of those four, I like best the 3rd, but I've got to learn how to make a
good debianized package (I've already updated to lynx 2.5 and xwpe 1.4.2,
byt that was just a matter of 'manual diffing')
  
Any recommendations?

Bye & Good Luck!

Pablo B.



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On 12 Aug 1996, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

	Hello..
 

> 
> 	I'm not sure why the module problems exist (I only had those
>  problems with old modules lying around), but I can explain the
>  make-kpkg stuff.

	It seems to be that the kernel was looking for..as mr. Perens has 
pointed out..8093.o..as i *thaught* i had removed the network cards from 
the kernel, infavor of pcmcia, i suspect a slip of the configuration on my 
part.


> 
> 	Older versions of what is now called kernel-package used to be
>  part of the kernel-source package (I think that kernel-source
>  packages continue to be released with the kernel-package package
>  built in for historical reasons).  The older kernel-{source,package}
>  packages did not contain the make-kpkg command.
> 
> 	The kernel-package package is designed to work with bare
>  kernel sources, so you could update your sources ny backing up and
>  removind debian* stuff from your kernel sources tree, and installing
>  kernel-package_2.03 (which provides make-kpkg).
> 

	Ok..im running 1.1 "out of the box" as it were..so kernel 2.0.0.. im 
not shure of the minor numbers...but what was on the ftp site in late 
july...
	Ill look for make-kpkg when i update my kernel in the future...
thanks	


> 	Unfortunately, I can't guarantee that the newer kernel-package
>  will build a kernel that would not be problematic, since I don't
>  understand what is causing it (I think that ./debian.rule
>  kernel_image should have produced a kernel that worked).  
> 

	I think it did exactly as i told it..:)...ill go hunting it later 
today..for now it is solved by explicitly loading 8390.o....




> 
> 	I hope this helps.


	It did...thank you vary much..
jeff


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I'm still unsuccessfully fighting my chat problems reported over 2 weeks
ago. For memory:

# pppd connect 'chat -v ....'

fires ppp OK,
starts chat OK,
dials the correct number,
waits for '00',
find it in the 'CONNECT 28800' response from the modem

Then the chatscript sends a character over the line, and hopelessly waits for
the reply (a login prompt): just as if the line beyond the modem was cut.

I call this a chat problem because I can successfully do all this using
minicom, suspending minicom without reset, and start pppd without connect
option.

People suggested this could be a problem with my serial line configuration, but
no: I get the same problems if I just use minicom to setup the line, suspend
and fire pppd/chat.

With all the recent discussions about diald, I'll check there isn't an
interference coming from diald, but I am pessimistic. 

If I had courage, I would rewrite a chat clone in Perl...  But this problem has
cost me about 15h playing around during the last weeks, and my faith in myself
and debian is declining...

Amities,

		Jean Orloff
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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Christian Lynbech wrote:

> I upgraded to 2.0.0 and found much to my pleasant surprise that my
> soundblaster card had started to work. Then I upgraded to 2.0.6 and it
> stopped working again (I haven't had time to properly report it yet,
> so I haven't the error message at hand but it was something about
> allocating an IRQ). Downgrading back to 2.0.0 fixed things.

Although this might not be your problem, there is a major bug with the
sound driver (at least with Sound Blaster16) in some of the 2.0.x kernels
(sorry, I don't remember which ones).  I think 2.0.0 is ok, and it may
have been fixed by now in the latest 2.0.x kernels but I don't know.  The
usual effect is that it completely locks up your system the 2nd time the
sound module is loaded (or autoloaded via kerneld).  This can be fixed by
not including MIDI support in the sound driver when compiling your kernel
(of course if you need MIDI support you're SOL).  Like I say, this *may*
have been fixed by now in the latest 2.0.x kernels.

Gerry



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>>>>> On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:48:47 +0000, Karsten Mueller <karsten@ppp.net>
>>>>> said:

> I tried to install Debian 1.1 on a 4GB Partition using the kernel 2.07
> with NCR8010 Support. The disk is a Quantum Atlas.
> After writing 255 inodes on disk the formatting stopped with
> the message "Can't resolve symbol llseek".

I also have a Quantum Atlas, and the same thing happened to me.  Apparently
some piece of software required to format beyond 255 inodes is not compiled
into the kernel on the boot floppy.  I worked around it as follows:

1.  Created a single 300MB partition, left everything beyond that partition as
    free space.

2.  Installed Linux on the existing partition, including /usr.

3.  Used my installed Linux to create a new partition and initialize the file
    system on the remaining disk space.

4.  Mounted the new partition on /mnt.

5.  Copied all of /usr over to the new partition, using cp -a.

6.  (IMPORTANT!) Checked to make sure that all /usr files were in their proper
    places in the new partition.

7.  Edited /etc/fstab to mount the new partition as /usr when the system
    starts up.

8.  Deleted all /usr files from the original partition with rm -r /usr.

9.  Created a new, empty /usr directory with mkdir /usr.

10. Unmounted the new partition and remounted it on /usr.

This worked the first time, and I've had no problems with the system since
then.

-Randy
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Hi

I had an initial problem with diald and solved it by turning off all the 
modem-related options in the ppp config file (can't remember where, but 
somewhere under /etc).  My problem was somewhat different from yours in 
that my modem would connect to my ISP and then it woud cut before I could 
get on with my Internet connection.

I hope this will help in your case.
Regards
Mark

On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Tim O'Brien wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
> do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
> 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
> ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
> from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
> Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Tim 
> 
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>>>>> On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:40:00 +0200, Jean Orloff <orloff@lapp.in2p3.fr>
>>>>> said:

> I'm still unsuccessfully fighting my chat problems reported over 2 weeks
> ago. [snip]

> Then the chatscript sends a character over the line, and hopelessly waits for
> the reply (a login prompt): just as if the line beyond the modem was cut.

Some ISPs require you to type a couple of carriage returns before they'll give
you a prompt.  To do this, put "\d\r\d\r\d\r" as the first send string.  A
single character may not be enough.

> If I had courage, I would rewrite a chat clone in Perl...  But this problem
> has cost me about 15h playing around during the last weeks, and my faith in
> myself and debian is declining...

Don't blame Debian for this, chat is simply flaky, and always has been, as far
as I can tell.  I used to use chat with MachTen, a Unix for the Mac, and had
very similar problems.  I can pretty much guarantee that chat won't work any
better with any other system.

I was having lots of trouble with chat, and am still meaning to fix it when I
have time.  Meanwhile, I looked at the source, and noticed a couple of buffers
that seemed awfully small.  I increased their size from 50 to 5000 characters,
and I haven't had any trouble with chat for a few days now.  So maybe that
worked, though I haven't looked at the code carefully enough to even know what
these buffers are for.

-Randy
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>
>Hi
>
>I had an initial problem with diald and solved it by turning off all the 
>modem-related options in the ppp config file (can't remember where, but 


Well, I've somehow solved my diald problems with a lot of help from a variety
of places. Now if only I could get Windows 95 to wait long enough to actually
resolve the remote hostname...

Thanks for the help,
Tim 

BTW, if you're still having the problem you mentioned, E-mail me.. I might have
a good solution. When I fixed my original problem, the one you described showed
up immediately therafter, but was shortly conquered :)

 

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: 
: Hello,
: 
: I tried to install Debian 1.1 on a 4GB Partition using the kernel 2.07
: with NCR8010 Support. The disk is a Quantum Atlas.
: After writing 255 inodes on disk the formatting stopped with
: the message "Can't resolve symbol llseek".
: 
: Does anybody know if the formatting should work in general
: and what goes wrong in this special case ?
: 
: It would be nice if could also you mail me directly because I could
: only read possible answers in the maillist archive ...
: 
: bye, Karsten <karsten@ppp.net>
: 

  I had the same problem with Conner 4207S and here's the reply from
  Ted when I asked the same question to him a while back.

> Sounds like an incompatibility between the libc used to compile mke2fs
> and the libc on your boot disk. If you recompile mke2fs, or upgrade
> the shared libraries on your system, this probably should go away.  

> What version of shared library are you using on your system?  llseek
> has been included in libc for quite a while....

  Does this mean Debian e2fsprogs-1.02-1 should be upgraded to 1.04
  or should be rebuilt at least with new libc5 ?

  At that time, my trick was using fdisk v2.1(>4GB) and mke2fs(v0.5b)
  under slackware-2.3 setup menu to successfully format 4gb single
  partition.

  Hope this helps,
  Joownoo

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Make sure that nothing but the 3C509 uses address 0x300. This is necessary
for the 3C509's ancient plug-and-play scheme.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Aug 11,  7:25pm, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Subject: installation boot fails with standard bootdisk on 486SX/33
: From: "Christopher R. Hertel" <crh@nts.umn.edu>
: > On my system (brand-new AMD-486DX4-120), the error that I get tells
: > me that the failure is occurring as the kernel is being
: > decompressed.
:
: OK - if this is true that means:
:
: 1. Bad data on the floppy. Most common. Re-download and write
: another.

Have done.  Several times from several sources using several floppies.
I've also used several tools (including DOS format, Win95 format,
Norton Utilities Format, Scandisk, chkdsk, and other Norton stuff) to
verify that the floppies are in good condition before I write to them.
I am using dd under Linux 1.2.8 to write the floppies.  I am also using
the same floppy drive to format & write the disks, and to boot.

I think I've covered this aspect.

: 2. "LFB" setting in your BIOS wrong. See the installation document.
: Rare.

There is no LFB setting in my BIOS setup.  I have read the installation
documentation.

: 3. Bad RAM or other hardware. Happens _rarely_, but has indeed
: happened.
:
: > try turning off the cache and see
: > if that fixes the problem. If it does, report it as a bug.
:
: It is best reported to linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu and copied to
: us.
: It's not really our job to fix the kernel - we just distribute it.

I disabled the internal cache and--*poof*--the problem went away.
I will send a report to linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu.

Based on my results, and the results of others (as posted to this
mailing list) I believe that this is *not* a kernel problem because, as
you pointed out when discussing the possibility of an APM problem, the
kernel is not yet loaded when the decompression error occurs.  The
problem, it appears, is in the decompression code.

  *QUERY*: those of you who have had this problem and gotten around it
  by turning off the internal cache, did you turn the cache back on
  once you had installed the system on your hard disk?  Did that work?

I'd like to know whether the decompression code in the floppy is the
same as that which gets loaded on the hard drive.  If so, does the
problem persist when the kernel is being decompressed from the hard
drive or does it only appear when booting from floppy?  Is the kernel
decompressed directly from the floppy, or is it transferred to the RAM
disk first?

: Sigh. I wish you'd spend some time supporting new users booting their
: systems for a while. We really do need the help. It might change your
: opinions, too.

It seems that you've overlooked a couple of points:

 1) I *was* providing support for a new user attempting to boot his
    system.  I explained, as you did, that APM probably wasn't the
    problem.  I also suggested turning off the cache.  In my own case,
    and in several others, this (unfortunately) worked.  (I say
    "unfortunately", because I believe that I should be able to use the
    internal cache, unless you're telling me that Linux is intended
    *not* to run with internal cache enabled.)

 2) I spent a *year* trying to figure out the SIGVEC problem, which was
    reported by several Linux users via newsgroups and mailing lists.
    The problem appeared on a variety of motherboards using a variety
    of CPU types, controller types, and memory configurations.  Those
    of us who experienced this problem tried to combine our resources
    to solve it, but we did not have the technical expertise, or the
    support, or the stable platform we needed in order to accomplish
    much.  Think about it: how am I supposed to test a fix to the
    kernel if I can't compile a new kernel because the system crashes
    whenever I try?  (The SIGVEC problem was random, but typically
    occurred when an attempt was made to compile anything large.  No,
    it did *not* always appear at the same point in the compilation.)

    At first, I got a great deal of helpful advice regarding the SIGVEC
    problem.  Unfortunately, all of the suggestions that I received
    failed to correct it.  Eventually, people started telling me and
    the others that the problem was in our hardware.  When I explained
    that other operating systems (including DOS, Taos, and older
    versions of Linux) worked fine, I was told that those systems did
    not "exercise" the hardware as much as Linux does.  Great.

: > Now I'm being told that I can't install Debian with the 2.0.x
: > kernel because my hardware is incompatible?  This just doesn't make
: > sense!
:
: Huh? What hardware? Who said it was incompatible?

    So I've finally saved enough money to buy a new motherboard.  Linux
    1.2.8 now runs well.  I've never figured out why the old one caused
    random SIGVEC errors, which is a shame, because that problem is
    probably still biting others out there (several of whom may have
    given up in disgust).

    So, now that 1.2.x is stable, I've decided to upgrade to 2.0.x.
    Unfortunately, a new "hardware" bug has appeared:  I can't
    decompress the 2.0.x kernel from the installation disk because,
    based on what I have been told (via this mailing list) and have
    since tested, the decompression code is incompatible with the
    internal cache on my new motherboard.  If I turn off internal
    cache, the kernel decompresses.

    You might say "So?  Disable the cache and be done with it."  I
    would reply that internal cache is a fairly standard feature these
    days, and I'm pretty sure that Linux runs on other systems that
    have it.  I believe that the fact that the decompression fails on a
    small subset of systems is sufficient to justify investigation of a
    possible bug.

: Pardon me for saying so, but please try to be a bit more
: constructive. This is an all volunteer unpaid project.

That was low.

It implies that I've never contributed, never tried to help anyone
else, never volunteered myself, and never spent any time trying to fix
problems for myself or anyone else on the net.  All false.  Perhaps I'm
not the kernel-hacker guru that you are, but I do what I can.

In this case, the message to which you replied included my best attempt
to help someone else with whom I shared a common problem.  It also
included a warning regarding obscure hardware incompatibility bugs.  I
believe that the kernel decompression problem is such a bug, though I'm
certainly willing to be proven incorrect.

My warning, just to be clear, is this:

These problems do exist, but it is unlikely that they will be resolved
unless the people who *don't* experience them take them seriously.  In
most cases hardware will be blamed, even though the problem appears on
a variety of memory/CPU/motherboard/add-on configurations, and the same
configurations can run other OSs (*including* older versions of Linux)
without the same failures.

In effect, it's a warning that we *have* to be involved or we may find
ourselves cut out, as I was.  Quite the opposite of your accusation.

I hope that that clarifies my position.

Sincerely,


Chris Hertel -)-----


-- 
Christopher R. Hertel -)-----                   University of Minnesota
crh@nts.umn.edu              Networking and Telecommunications Services


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When I run less on a 0 byte file, it displays its help screen (same as
if you less a normal file and press 'h').

Example:

[joey@kite] ~/work>touch foo 
[joey@kite] ~/work>less foo

                   SUMMARY OF LESS COMMANDS

      Commands marked with * may be preceded by a number, N.
      Notes in parentheses indicate the behavior if N is given.

  h  H                 Display this help.
  q  :q  Q  :Q  ZZ     Exit.

  e  ^E  j  ^N  CR  *  Forward  one line   (or N lines).
...

I hesitate to report this as a bug, but it's really annoying me, as I
expect that if I look at a zero byte file, I'll just see 
"foo line 0/0 (END)". I do a double-take every time I look at some empty
log file and get the less help screen. I've used less in slackware,
redhat, etc, and those versions of less all work as I expect. Does anyone
know how to get the behavior I want with debian's less (version 321-1)?

-- 
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$o=35;$_="$^I-*!=====_!/";s/~/!*/g;s~%~-/ / ~g;$_.='---       Joey Hess
';s/=/__/g;y|*!| \\|;for(split/-/){print' 'x$o--."$_\n"}
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What's this message? Do you have an idea? It happens with 2.0.12 when
I connect using UUCP, and I have the following messages logged too:

uucico fdn daemon (1996-08-12 19:05:15.82 569) ERROR: Line disconnected
uucico fdn - (1996-08-12 19:05:15.89 569) ERROR: write: I/O error
uucico fdn - (1996-08-12 19:05:16.05 569) ERROR: write: I/O error
uucico fdn - (1996-08-12 19:05:16.05 569) Call complete (63 seconds 22960 bytes 364 bps)
uucico fdn - (1996-08-12 19:05:16.05 569) ERROR: Can't disable hardware flow control: I/O error
uucico fdn - (1996-08-12 19:05:18.09 569) ERROR: write: I/O error

Yves.


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  "Christopher R. Hertel" <crh@nts.umn.edu>
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From: "Christopher R. Hertel" <crh@nts.umn.edu>
> I disabled the internal cache and--*poof*--the problem went away.
> I will send a report to linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu.

I have one other report matching this, and two anecdotes, all
reproduced below. I suspect that BIOS floppy I/O is breaking when the
cache is enabled, and you are thus feeding bad data to the disk
uncompression code in the kernel. This could perhaps be a bug in
syslinux, (the boot loader we are using) or a bug in the decompression
code (which is in the kernel, but is sort of a 16-bit prelude to the
actual kernel).  You might try other ways of starting the kernel (LILO
on a floppy rather than a hard disk, LOADLIN from DOS, etc.) to see if
any of them fail with the cache enabled.  That might tell you if it's
the uncompression code or the loader that is at fault. About the only
way to fix this is will be someone with the susceptible hardware to
drive the process.

Please forgive me for ignoring the ways in which you were being
constructive.

	Thanks

	Bruce

Steve Gaarder:
> I am installing Debian 1.1.1 on a generic clone with an AMD 486 on an
> Opti-based motherboard. If I have the internal cache enabled in setup,
> I get the error "invalid compressed format" after the "uncompressing
> Linux" message.  If I disable the cache, it boots fine.  It boots ok
> from the hard drive either way.  Anyone know what is going on?

> From: Dan Bergman <dan.bergman@mailbox.swipnet.se>
> I had problems like this a couple years back when I was installing OS/2
> on a Dell Machine (486,66mhz).. The installation would fail if I didn't
> disabel both L1 and L2 caches.. But I ripped out the TsengLab GFX card
> (VLB)
> and all troubles went away.. Ripping out gfx card is often not a option 
> but the Dell MB had a Cyrrus Logic Chip on it...

mike cotherman:
> I had this problem when I used EDO RAM on a motherboard that did not
> support EDO...just a thought


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I currently do not have an account on master.debian.org, but I have sent 
Bruce Perens the files, and he has been kind enough to upload them for 
me, so they should be appearing on the mirrors soon.

Shaya


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Date: 09 Aug 96 15:24 UT
Format: 1.6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: Low
Maintainer: Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil>
Source: xanim
Version: 2.70.6.3-1
Binary:  xanim
Architecture:  i386
Description:
 xanim: Plays many Multimedia files
Changes:
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        *Added Debian support files
Files:
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xanim_2.70.6.3-1_i386.deb
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xanim-2.70.6.3-1.tar.gz
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xanim-2.70.6.3-1.diff.gz

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Regarding why IPX gets loaded when configuring the loopback interface,
Please figure out its protocol number and add "alias net-pf-N off" to
/etc/conf.modules , where N is the protocol number.

I'm not clear what the "real" fix should be.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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`dmesg' shows a lot of messages about two sectors on my disk.  For
example
 hda: read_intr: error=0x01 { AddrMarkNotFound }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
 hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
 hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05, sector 48787
 hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
 hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05, sector 48787
 hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
 hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1044268, sector=814444
 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:03, sector 814444

Should this be a concern?  What action would be recommended?


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> Does anyone know how to get diald to work? I'm almost there; I can get it to 
> do it's thing, dial, connect to my ISP, start sending data, but after about 
> 30 seconds, diald kills pppd, and reports that it has timed out waiting for 
> ppp to connect. :/ Since I was in the middle of receiving an html document
> from the web, I'd say it's safe to assume that pppd was already connected.
> Anyone got any ideas how I can cure this VERY annoying problem? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Tim 

  Adding 'connect-timeout' as an option to diald solved the problem
  at least for me:

  /usr/sbin/ppp-up
  ----------------
  #!/bin/sh

  /bin/setserial /dev/cua1 spd_hi
  /usr/sbin/diald /dev/cua1 -m ppp local 127.0.0.3 \
  remote 127.0.0.2 \
  defaultroute modem crtscts dynamic connect-timeout 180 \
  connect '/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/chat-ppp' \
  fifo /var/adm/diald.ctl

  Adding the following entry at the end of /etc/diald.conf
  also helped me out making the line keep up contiguously:

  restrict * * * * *
  up

-- 
Joonwoo Nam
MAGNUMS(MAssachusetts Group for NUMerical analysis of Semiconductors)
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering, UMASS at Amherst
e-mail:nam@nazgul.ecs.umass.edu / work:413-545-4762 / fax:413-545-4611
http://khushi.ecs.umass.edu/~nam


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I have installed fvwm95, and keep running into the same errors, 
-lfvwm95-2  file or directory not found...
X11/xdm.h   file or directory not found...

yes, I added . to my PATH, (why my base install did not add it, 
I do not know...

I installed fvwm2 on my system and it works, and I have installed 
fvwm95 on a friends slackware system, his works great, I'm jealous..

Thanks for any help

mike cotherman

PS If I knew how to make .deb packages yet, I would try to make one
for fvwm95..


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This problem only exists on the boot floppies. That means if you can
install on any small partition (where anything under 1024MB is "small")
you can then make the filesystem correctly once the system has been
installed on your hard disk.

I will try to get a new boot floppy set uploaded in the next few days.

	Bruce


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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, David C Winters wrote:

> I've got approximately 50 machines I need to build. My best option
> for the initial system build, unless I've missed something, would be
> to run deselect on one machine, then take a deselect-generated file
> containing my selections and exporting that file to all the other
> machines, so I can just start up dselect and choose "Install" without
> having to go through "Select" on each.
>
> How can I accomplish this? Which file(s) do I need to export in order
> to make this happen? And, is there a better way to achieve the same
> results?

I need to do something similar.    i asked Ian Jackson (dpkg's author) about
it but he seems quite disinterested in the idea.

Anyway, what you need to do is:

(WARNING: The following steps should work, but i haven't tested this
process yet.)

1.  mirror the debian archive, and export it with nfs. NFS installation
    from an up-to-date mirror is the easiest and quickest way of
    installing debian. 

2. install the base system on one of the machines as normal: 

  - by floppy (boot,root, base1, base2, base3)
or
  - by creating a new boot floppy with NFS support. Switch to the
    2nd virtual console and and mount a directory containing the
    base_1.1.tgz file (which can be found under either rex or buzz in
    disks-i386/current/).  

    The debian install disks will install from that file rather
    than the 3 base disks if it finds it in either the mount point or
    any first level subdirectory (if you mount it as /debian, then it
    will look in /debian/base_1.1.tgz or /debian/*/base_1.1.tgz).

    It's probably simplest just to NFS mount your mirror
    as /debian, and make sure there is a symlink from
    {rex,buzz}/disks-i386/current/base_1.1.tgz to /debian/base_1.1.tgz

3.  configure the machine.

4.  now reboot. dselect will stary up automatically. select & install all
    required packages.

5.  take a copy of the file /var/lib/dpkg/status.

        cp /var/lib/dpkg/status /tmp

6.  now this is where it gets tricky.
    for every package listed in the status file, there will be a "Status:"
    line.  You need to change every line which contains "Status: install
    ....." so that it reads "Status: install ok not-installed".

    the following sed script is a good starting point for doing this
    automatically.

    sed -e 's/^Status: install..*/Status: install ok not-installed/' </tmp/stats >/tmp/status.new

7.  now try installing another machine using this file.
    
8.  install the base system as in step 2 above.  configure it as in step 3.

9.  quit out of dselect.

10. copy the status.new file you created in step 6 to /var/lib/dpkg/status
    on the new machine.  It might be convenient to use the top directory
    of your mirror as a temporary transfer drive.  just NFS mount the
    mirror as /debian and "cp /debian/status.new /var/lib/dpkg/status".

    keep a copy somewhere else, though. remember that mirror will
    delete this file next time it runs because it doesn't exist on the
    remote archive site. or configure mirror to not delete "status.new".

11. run dselect.  tell it where to find the packages with 0. [A]ccess.  Then
    1. [U]pdate packages information.

12. now run 3. [I]nstall.  It should install all the files which were
    selected on the other machine.


note, it's possible to do something like this with a debian cdrom rather
than NFS. the base_1.1.tgz file was created to make cd-rom installations
as well as NFS installations easier. 

Reminds me, i should send some email to the archive maintainer (Guy
Maor, I think) asking him to include a symlink to base_1.1.tgz in rex/
or buzz/ so that the install disks can find it. And also some email to
Bruce Perens asking him to compile NFS into the kernel of the boot disk
- there's been some problems with symbol version mismatches for the NFS
module on the last few boot disks.


Craig


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Douglas Bates <bates@stat.wisc.edu> writes:

> 
> `dmesg' shows a lot of messages about two sectors on my disk.

Oh, thank God! I'm not the only one! I thought my disk was dying!


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Hello All,

I want to thank you for the hand I got with my last adventure with 
dpkg/dselect and it (the link to /bin/perl from /usr/bin/perl) 
cleared up a lot of the problems.

However, the *entire* tex package won't install, telling me there are 
dependency problems and dselect (although it gives me loads of 
superfluos information) doesn't show the conflict between the 
packages so it can be corrected!

I'm very tempted to just go and get the source and compile/install 
the package myself.  I'd like to use the new system, but have more 
trouble with it than a kernel compilation :)

The distribution is from the middle of July, an i-connect CD.  The
problem stated by dpgk/dselect has something to do with texbin
installation postinst script not being able to find what its looking
for, I get an errormessage, and the remaining packages (latex, etc)
remain unconfigured If more information is required, it will be
included in the next post. 


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Hi,
I have an IDE and SCSI-2 Drives.

After a power failure. I cannot fsck one of my IDE partition
when I type:
fsck /dev/hda8

I get:
-- Parallelizing fsck version 1.02 (16-Jan-96)
e2fsck 1.02, 16-Jan-96 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read
 while trying to open /dev/hda8
Could this be a zero-length partition?

Is there any way to salvage this partition?

Do I need to reformat this partition?

-Oz
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Is there a way with a 2 floppy set, to get a basic linux kernel
booted up and to 'see' any of the compiled-in ether cards, and 
detecting any PCMCIA cards? I think this is too big to fit on the
2nd floppy...

Tim

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I have been trying to get suck working and haven't had any luck.
Everything seems to work with no complaints and no error messages, but
it always reports that there is nothing to download. I can use the
testhost command to download the active file, and there is a suck.newrc
file left in the /tmp directory that shows the highest available
entry in each newsgroup from my sucknewsrc file, so it seems to be
communicating OK. Has anybody else had anything similar to this happen?
I am using the package version 2.6.3-1 from the stable release.

Carl Johnson		carlj@peak.org


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Joel Zimba <jzimba@Access.Mountain.Net> writes:

This is becoming a FAQ - why is this happening?

> after running dselect and installing a bunch of stuff.
> I finished install.
> Now I can't find the ftp option when I go back into dselect.
> 
> why?

Not sure (it is included in the base set but seems to get uninstalled
rather easily).

> how do I get it back.

Go to your favourite debian ftp site and look for it in
project/experimental.  Download it and install it with dpkg -i
dpkg-ftp-1.4.2.deb.

> how do I ftp with dpkg, is it possible?

You can only do it with dselect.

Andy.


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Greetings,

I'm brand new to Linux and was looking for recommendations for a choice
of file systems

Sincerely,

-William Riggs


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I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.

I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
identifiers for these
HPFS partitions:

  /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS

  /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown


The Unknown partition type (id 17) was created by OS/2 Warp fdisk during
the installation process.  It is also a primary partition.

The HPFS partition type (id 7) was created by OS/2 Warp after
installation.  Note that this is an extended partition.

Has anybody else observed the two different identifers for HPFS
filesystems?  Is this a Bug?  Linux produces some error messages when
mounting the id 17 filesystem but it everything seems to work ok.  I
didn't observe any error messages when mounting the id 7 filesystem
which also works fine.

OS/2 Warp doesn't complain at all.


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Craig Sanders <cas@taz.net.au> writes:
> I need to do something similar.    i asked Ian Jackson (dpkg's author) about
> it but he seems quite disinterested in the idea.

Mmm, no I think he's just got plenty of other things to worry about at the
moment.  He seemed to give you the information you needed to try getting
this to work - but of course if you want any support for this in dpkg you'll
have to do it yourself.  :-)

> 5.  take a copy of the file /var/lib/dpkg/status.
> 
>         cp /var/lib/dpkg/status /tmp
> 
> 6.  now this is where it gets tricky.
>     for every package listed in the status file, there will be a "Status:"
>     line.  You need to change every line which contains "Status: install
>     ....." so that it reads "Status: install ok not-installed".
> 
>     the following sed script is a good starting point for doing this
>     automatically.
> 
>     sed -e 's/^Status: install..*/Status: install ok not-installed/' </tmp/stats >/tmp/status.new

Mmm, why should they all be "not-installed"?  Won't some of them be
installed by the base system on the new machine?  I don't know what will
happen if you tell dpkg that something that's already installed now isn't -
e.g. what will happen with all its files, etc.?  Shouldn't be too hard to
write a slightly more sophisticated script that just alters the relevant
desired state (first) fields of the new status file.

Anyway, if you give this a try, I'd be interested to know how it goes.  I'd
be interested in giving it a try myself sometime, but time, time...  :-)

				Warwick

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Subject: Re: fvwm95 not finding files... 
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There's a preliminary packaging of fvwm95 in
ftp.sedona.com:/pub/linux/debian.

It works fine, but currently conflicts with the standard fvwm and
fvwm2.  Perhaps you'd be willing to download my copy as a starting
point and take over maintenance of the package?  You can find
information on registering as a debian developer at
<http://sgk.phast.umass.edu/FAQ/debian-faq-14.html#ss14.1>.  Let me
know if you have any questions, and I'll do my best to help you get
started.


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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:37:34 +0100
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> However, with longer documents which I used to be able
> to compile cleanly under Slackware things are not that
> rosy. Previewing dvi files, I get misaligned page numbers
> in table of contents, screwed up tables and documents
> look a mess.

You have to run latex two, three and sometimes even four times with
complicated long documents.  Debian does not provide any other latex
slackware.  However, are you using the compatibility mode? 
Do your latex documents start with \documentstyle? 

Erick


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Subject: Re: IPX and loopback
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Hi,

> I'm not clear what the "real" fix should be.

its kind of a bug in ifconfig an will be fixed in a future release of
ifconfig by me.

Greetings
Bernd
net-tools upstream maintainer


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Are there any other mirrors of ftp.debian.org in Australia besides
sunsite.anu.edu.au and ftp.debian.org.au? Both of these two seem to
be a bit behind with their mirroring, but the link to the US
is very very slow lately; looks like it's going to take hours
to get the updated manual pages .. :-(



thanks,

Hamish
(Debian user as of last Friday, and loving it..)


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BTW only unasked questions are stupid.

> 3.  How would I specify to use -o (--colors) as a default option for
> color-ls?  (I also
> wish to use color-ls when I use the 'ls' command.  So, I would assume I
> would
> do an
> 
> mv /bin/ls /usr/lib
> ln -sf /usr/bin/color-ls /usr/bin/ls
> ln -sf /usr/lib/ls /usr/bin/old-ls
> 
> to replace ls with color-ls?)

install fileutils 3.13-3 and look in /usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz

Erick


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> The distribution is from the middle of July, an i-connect CD.  The
> problem stated by dpgk/dselect has something to do with texbin
> installation postinst script not being able to find what its looking
> for, I get an errormessage, and the remaining packages (latex, etc)
> remain unconfigured If more information is required, it will be
> included in the next post. 

This is a known bug,  try the tex packages from unstable/binary-i386/tex.


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Hello,

bored of the rubbish that slackware blows on my disk, I looked for an
alternative - and found debian.

Yesterday I tried to install the base-disks from buzz-fixed/binary-i386/disks
(feivel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de).

I ran into some problems which are not mentioned in the FAQs I found...

The problems seem to have started when /root/.configure got the control:

- I misspelled the password for the user acount I was asked for. Result: A broken
  useraccount and a request for another useraccount. This is not realy a problem
  to me but it's ugly and maybe very confusing to newcomers...

- The $TERM Environment-Variable is set to "con80x25" on my system which caused
  dselect to print an error-message and exit - no possibility to install
  additional packages... (Error-Message something like "Error opening terminal:
  con80x25.")

The second problem is still there - I can't get an editor, dselect or similar
unless I set&export TERM=linux manually. And - worse - I can't find where TERM
is set to the confusing value.

What did I do wrong?

Jens Peter.


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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:20:06 -0500, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

>most cases hardware will be blamed, even though the problem appears on
>a variety of memory/CPU/motherboard/add-on configurations, and the same
>configurations can run other OSs (*including* older versions of Linux)

The external cache disable is also required on certain hardware
configurations
for installation of OS/2.  I would assume the systems where this
problem exists
under LInux are the same ones affected by the same problem under OS/2.

One thing to check, is to make sure you don't have a buggy AMI BIOS. 
Make
sure your BIOS date is at least April, 1993.  If not, contact AMI, and
you can
order an upgrade for about $20 USD.


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At 04:15 PM 8/13/96 +1000, you wrote:
>
>Are there any other mirrors of ftp.debian.org in Australia besides
>sunsite.anu.edu.au and ftp.debian.org.au? Both of these two seem to
>be a bit behind with their mirroring, but the link to the US
>is very very slow lately; looks like it's going to take hours
>to get the updated manual pages .. :-(

ftp.tower.net.au (aka ftp.debian.org.au) isn't outdated, it's simply offline
due to a scsi cdrom problem (we're working on this at the moment) - in fact
mirror last run last night and there weren't many files to get from debian.org.

It should be back up within a few days after we've isolated the problem
further - in the mean time you may like to try getting them from
ftp.it.com.au:/mirrors/linux/debian, however I don't know how up-to-date
they are.

Regards,

...Karl

--
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Tower Networking Pty Ltd (ACN: 072 322 760)        karl@tower.net.au
t/a STAR Online Services                           karl@debian.org
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I posted earlier about this, but I have more info and it
seems to be specific to this module and not lilo.  I had to
change my base_io from 330 to 234 to accomodate my MPU-401
interface on the Audiotrix Pro card.  This works fine under
DOS/WIN with a "/P234" switch at load time for the driver.
The analogous entry for the aha1542.o module is a lilo
parameter "aha1542=0x234".  I've added this to the top of my
lilo.conf file with 'append = "aha1542=0x234"' but I still
get errors.  I tried doing depmod -a (which showed some
unresolveable symbols in sound.o :-() and modprobe but no
luck.  I did an strace -f on it and it seems that its
unable to find its irq.  I can't find any way to pass a
parameter to the module to tell it what irq I'm on (10)!

I took the advice from someone on the list and checked out
/proc/... but there are no conflicts there (I suspected
not).  I plan on upgrading to kernel 2.0.12 in the next few
days, but this module hasn't changed at all (I think the
sound.o will be fixed though!).  If this magically fixes
anything, I'll let you guys know.  In the mean time, anyone
got any ideas?  The load time error I get is this:

Initialization of aha1542 failed
scsi_mod: Device or resource busy

which is pretty general.  I can send the strace file to
anyone willing to have a look.

Thanks in advance!

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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Hi Daniel --

You asked:
> 3.  How would I specify to use -o (--colors) as a default option for
> color-ls?  (I also
> wish to use color-ls when I use the 'ls' command.  So, I would assume I
> would
> do an
> 
> mv /bin/ls /usr/lib
> ln -sf /usr/bin/color-ls /usr/bin/ls
> ln -sf /usr/lib/ls /usr/bin/old-ls
> 
> to replace ls with color-ls?)

No, that's not the right thing to do.  First of all, color-ls is
no longer supported by Debian.  Instead, color support is built directly
into ls itself, by way of the fileutils package (to be found in section
misc on the FTP archive).  After you install fileutils, then look in
/usr/doc/fileutils.  You will see a file called "color-ls.gz" with more
details.  Briefly, you can simply execute
    ls --color
to see your directory listing look like a peacock.

Also, it is a *bad* idea to execute mv's and ln's on files that have been
installed with dselect and/or dpkg.  If you don't confuse the package
management system, you'll confuse yourself when you try to upgrade or
install new packages.  It is fine to manipulate files in /usr/local
however.  

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:46:56 -0400 (EDT)
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In your email to me, Carl Johnson, you wrote:
> 
> I have been trying to get suck working and haven't had any luck.
> Everything seems to work with no complaints and no error messages, but
> it always reports that there is nothing to download. I can use the
> testhost command to download the active file, and there is a suck.newrc
> file left in the /tmp directory that shows the highest available
> entry in each newsgroup from my sucknewsrc file, so it seems to be
> communicating OK. Has anybody else had anything similar to this happen?
> I am using the package version 2.6.3-1 from the stable release.

I'm using suck.. it d/l news ok, I just can't post back. I bet you are
using -1 as an initial number? Try 0.

Tim


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Hi,

Has anyone else experienced complete lockups of the system?
It has happened a few times to me, and it doesn't even let me
telnet or rlogin to the machine.  So far this has happened
only under X and when using mailtool over remote connection.

Other info:
	Using fvwm2
	ne2000 card is loaded to 0x300
	using a substitute nfs.o module (thanks to Lazaro :)
	many relative symlinks broke during install
	 due to e.g. moving /usr onto another partition

How do I go about finding out why this happens?

Regards,
jay


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On Aug 12,  8:24pm, Carl Johnson wrote:
> Subject: Suck doesn't download news
> I have been trying to get suck working and haven't had any luck.
> Everything seems to work with no complaints and no error messages, but
> it always reports that there is nothing to download. I can use the
> testhost command to download the active file, and there is a suck.newrc
> file left in the /tmp directory that shows the highest available
> entry in each newsgroup from my sucknewsrc file, so it seems to be
> communicating OK. Has anybody else had anything similar to this happen?
> I am using the package version 2.6.3-1 from the stable release.
>
> Carl Johnson		carlj@peak.org
>-- End of excerpt from Carl Johnson

     Yeah, I had this happen, when I was connecting to a news server w/o the
newnews command (newnews group yymmdd hhmmss) Therefore it couldnt get a list
of news to d/l.  THis was NetManage NNS server for NT.  I moved on to a
regular innd and it worked fine.  But honestly I prefer this modified Tiny News
perl script.  Check out the Tiny-News Howto


-- 
==============================
= Randall Shutt              =
= RaveNet Systems, Inc       =
==============================


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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.
> 
> I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
> identifiers for these
> HPFS partitions:
> 
>   /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
>   /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown

This a little bit of a guess, (I have never used os/2 and linux on the 
same machine, and I never got os/2 to run right either) but I am think 
that /dev/hda2 might be your os/2 boot manager partition.  Are you using it?
If you are, and linux's fdisk says it only 1 or 2 MB large, then I would 
just remove it from your /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab files.

Hope this helps (just a guess)

Shaya
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> 
> The Unknown partition type (id 17) was created by OS/2 Warp fdisk during
> the installation process.  It is also a primary partition.
> 
> The HPFS partition type (id 7) was created by OS/2 Warp after
> installation.  Note that this is an extended partition.
> 
> Has anybody else observed the two different identifers for HPFS
> filesystems?  Is this a Bug?  Linux produces some error messages when
> mounting the id 17 filesystem but it everything seems to work ok.  I
> didn't observe any error messages when mounting the id 7 filesystem
> which also works fine.
> 
> OS/2 Warp doesn't complain at all.
> 
> 


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Hmm I have stumbled on a new problem... 

I used to have a 1280x1024 virtual screen but now I only use
a screen the same size as my viewport(1024x768) so whenever I start
Netscape3.0b6 Mail program it's window is too large.. Where is this 
window size info stored??.. I've looked allover but no go..



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> There was some kind of a bug in 2.0.7, so 2.0.8 was released; similarly
> for 2.0.8->2.0.9 and 2.0.9->2.0.10.  2.0.8 is however, stable.  This is
> the kernel
> which the current Debian installation uses.
> 
> >the message "Can't resolve symbol llseek".
> 
> This sounds like a programming error.  The symbol should be lseek.

No. llseek is a version of lseek using a 64bit argument (which is required
when dealing with 4Gb partitions).
	# cd /usr/lib ; nm libc.a | grep llseek
	__llseek.o:
	00000000 T __llseek
	00000000 W llseek
See llseek(2).

Ray
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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:10:24 +0200, Dominik Kubla wrote:

>> 1.  The Bourne Again SHell seems to require a '.\' before the
>                                                 |
>I guess you mean "./", don't you? ---------------+

Oops. :(

>Check your PATH setting: is "." part of the search path?

Yes.  Thanks...received replies from Sasha(?) et al on this one.

>.bashrc is only loaded by non-interactive shells. Put the following at
>the top of your .bash_profile:
>
>  if [ -r $HOME/.bashrc ]
>  then
>    source $HOME/.bashrc
>  fi
>
>And .bash_aliases is not an autoloaded file too, use the same
>construct as above.

Ah...thanks.  That explains a lot. :)



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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:48:47 +0000, Karsten Mueller wrote:

>I tried to install Debian 1.1 on a 4GB Partition using the kernel 2.07

There was some kind of a bug in 2.0.7, so 2.0.8 was released; similarly
for 2.0.8->2.0.9 and 2.0.9->2.0.10.  2.0.8 is however, stable.  This is
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>the message "Can't resolve symbol llseek".

This sounds like a programming error.  The symbol should be lseek.



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Douglas Bates <bates@stat.wisc.edu> writes:
> `dmesg' shows a lot of messages about two sectors on my disk.
From: Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net>
> Oh, thank God! I'm not the only one! I thought my disk was dying!

Maybe it is. Read the man page for "e2fsck", and look for the "-c"
flag. Read the man page on "badblocks", too. That will help you retire
those bad blocks, given that they are on our usual EXT2 filesystems.
I see that "mkswap" (used to make swap partitions) has a "-c" option
as well, but I'm not clear that it actually retires the block.

If more bad blocks with different numbers pop up after that, think about
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	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: Jens Peter Lindemann <jlindema@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
> The $TERM Environment-Variable is set to "con80x25" on my system

This is a symptom of an antique kernel. Are you running Debian 0.93? Debian
1.1.4 is on our FTP site ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable . Did you change
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	Thanks

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I am getting lots of messages about the key symbols
not being right.  I remember from BSDI that you had
to have the nls directory set up in a special place.
Tried to hack this but still not getting the desired
result (i.e. no more messages about missing keysyms).

The docs say that a suitable XKeysymDB is included
in the package, though I have my doubts.  Is there
some manual intervention needed here?

Thanks!


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Last night I tried and tried to get my system to come up in
single user mode (so I could do some major filesystem changes).
I couldn't get it to come up single-user.  I tried booting from
the original install boot floppy, and to my surprise it booted
up my kernel on the hard disk?!?!?!

I couldn't find the solution in the docs anywhere.  Can anyone tell
me what I should be doing?

For background, I need to change the size of some partitions, so
I need to copy whole partitions to a temporary location while I
re-do the partition table on the target disk.  I hope to avoid
having to re-install from tape or from scratch this way.

Thanks!


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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Douglas Bates wrote:

> `dmesg' shows a lot of messages about two sectors on my disk.  For
> example
>  hda: read_intr: error=0x01 { AddrMarkNotFound }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
>  hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
...
> 
> Should this be a concern?  What action would be recommended?
> 

I also get this.  It's lead to several system crashes.  I would recommend
you back up.  If possible, post that you are getting these messages along
with the output from dmesg to the linux-kernel mailing list
(linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu) so as to give the developers as much
information as possible to figure out where the problem is. 

I have a 1.5g Maxtor hard drive.  My motherboard has the Intel Triton
chipset.  Do we have anything in common here?  I'm currently running
2.0.11 but have had this with other 2.0.x kernels as well. 

Regards,

Gerry




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> My experience is that there are a couple of good hardware reasons for 
> getting serial mice instead of PS/2 mice:
> -- we accidentally fried a BIOS chip by delivering a static charge through 
>    a PS/2 mouse.  This has never happened with a serial mouse,
>    and leads me to suspect that the PS/2 connector (or at least the
>    connector  we used to have on our R.I.P. Asus '486 motherboard) is less
>    robust against  static than an serial connector.
This sounds like the only hardware reason to me.

> -- removing the PS/2 mouse frees up an IRQ.
Perhaps for you.  I cannot put ANYTHING on the irq used by my ps/2 mouse
because my p60 does not let me disable it.

> -- one never knows if/when PS/2 mouse is going to be available in a 
>    downloaded kernel, whereas serial support is virtually always there.
Oh give me a break.  If you are not experienced enough to compile your own
kernel for your own custom hardware you should never be giving advice to
other linux users until you are.  SHEESH.  It is not that hard.  Do a
'make config' once, cp .config to some safe place, then if you must remove
your kernel source tree or upgrade or compile someone else's kernel, you can,
and the copy the file back and say 'make oldconfig'.  IT IS NOT THAT HARD
PEOPLE!!!!!  I personally have 14 different 'configurations' for different
people in my 'safe place' away from the kernel tree.  So I can compile for
14 different people if they ask me to.

That said, I have a ps/2 port and am using a serial mouse.  Why?  Because
before I had this pentium motherboard I did not have a ps/2 port and thus
had a serial mouse.  I am too cheap to go buy a ps/2 mouse, but when I
borrowed one from a friend to verify the port worked (easily compiled as
a module...no reboot) I experienced a much more responsive mouse than the
three serial mice I have tried since.  I for one intend to get a ps/2 mouse
when I have the extra money.
 
> I have had some problems with some serial mice though, particularly those
> cheap ones which change their state when the power goes off.

Hehehe, you mean the cheez-ball 3 button mice that when initialized must have
the right button pressed or they go into 2 button mode? <grin>

--
Todd Fries .. todd@miango.com


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> This is becoming a FAQ - why is this happening?

I presume that a lot of people are installing some cdrom version or the 
released version of Debian.  The changes were in the unstable version.
How many weeks to go for the next release?

Erick


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> 
> In your email to me, Carl Johnson, you wrote:
> > 
> > I have been trying to get suck working and haven't had any luck.
> > Everything seems to work with no complaints and no error messages, but
> > it always reports that there is nothing to download. I can use the
> > testhost command to download the active file, and there is a suck.newrc
> > file left in the /tmp directory that shows the highest available
> > entry in each newsgroup from my sucknewsrc file, so it seems to be
> > communicating OK. Has anybody else had anything similar to this happen?
> > I am using the package version 2.6.3-1 from the stable release.
> 
> I'm using suck.. it d/l news ok, I just can't post back. I bet you are
> using -1 as an initial number? Try 0.
> 
> Tim

I just tried it and it now works fine.  So, why do they send the default
setup with -1?

Thanks for your reply.

Carl Johnson		carlj@peak.org


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Klee Dienes wrote:

> There's a preliminary packaging of fvwm95 in
> ftp.sedona.com:/pub/linux/debian.
> 
> It works fine, but currently conflicts with the standard fvwm and
> fvwm2.  Perhaps you'd be willing to download my copy as a starting

fvwm95 shares many files with fvwm2 (all of the modules).  This should
be reworked so that the files can be shared when both window managers
are installed.

Andy


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Hello Pablo,

> Why does kerneld load the IPX module while the localhost's loopback
> interface is being set up? (ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1)
> I see no need to it... stracing ifconfig shows that it makes an IPX call
> (and also an AX.25 and some other calls). This didn't happened with and
> old Slackware based installation, and, altough harmless (the module gets
> cleanly unloaded) annoys me a bit.
> Any ideas?

This on is easy: ifconfig checks for the supported protocol families.
That's what is triggering kerneld.  ifconfig should be fixed to check
just for availability of IP since it can not handle either IPX or
AppleTalk.

Dominik


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Hi all,

I follow the links from the Debian org homepage to:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/Debian-1.1/disks-i386/current

here I try to download root.bin, boot1440.bin etc. and I get
a error from my browser saying the links are bad and it can't
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Could someone point me the the base disks I need to get Debian 1.1
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> I'm brand new to Linux and was looking for recommendations for a choice
> of file systems

local filesystem? : ext2fs

Erick


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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 medifax@i-connect.net wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I'm brand new to Linux and was looking for recommendations for a choice
> of file systems

You mean "Do I go with xiafs or extfs or what else"?

Easy. Go with 'ext2fs'. The other Linux-specific ones arent' being used
very much nowadays.

  Christian



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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Wayne Schlitt wrote:

> > On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Douglas Bates wrote:
> > > the combination of the IDE controller in the Triton chipset with an
> > > EIDE drive is as fast as fast, wide SCSI. 
> >
> > SCSI's advantage is that it can handle multiple outstanding requests at
> > the same time, while EIDE has to wait for one to complete before it can
> > start a second one.
> 
> SCSI can handle multiple request to _different_ devices on the same
> SCSI bus, but I don't think you can have multiple requests to the same
> device.

Yup, it can.  One of the parameters exchanged on start is how many
requests the device can queue.  Typically queues range from 16 to 50.
But don't ask me to back that up -- top of hte head number.

This is one of the big differences between SCSI 1 and 2.  That and the
disconnect/reconnect feature. (Don't *ever* buy a scsi 1 tape drive.
Everything stops when you rewind the tape.)

> >                                              with a a few meg of cache
> > on the drive.  (This allows the drive to start being clever and resort
> > the queue'd I/O's for fastest return.  E.g. If the head is on cylinder
> > 7, and it gets a read request for cylinder 2000, and cylinder 500, it
> > will do the 500 on the way to the one for 2000.)
> 
> This is known as elevator seeking and should be done at the OS level.
> The order that data is written out is very important for data
> reliability, and for this reason, I don't think any hard disk change
> the order of the writes.  

There are several different algolrithms for doing this.  Elevator seek
is the simplest of them.  Some put a higher priority on reads over
writes.  Some re-priortize the queue so that requests that have been
outstanding for a while get bumped up the queue.  

I agree that you can do this in the OS, but I don't think that it
*should* be done in the OS.
0.	In general smarts should be at the point they are used. We had a
VAX that was about as speedy as a 12 MHz 286 with 287 co-processor.
However, that vax could handle 8 simultaneous 19 KB terminal lines.
How?  Smart serial cards.  
	The CPU should do those tasks that are either too general for
dedicated hardware, or that don't happen often enough to take up much
time.
1.	The OS shouldn't have to care about the layout of the disk.
2.	I don't understand why the order matters for reliability --
unless you're talking about power failures.  This is a low order failure
mode -- which is why you do backups -- for those rare occasions when the
disk does lose a file when the lights go out.  The disk is smart enough
to recognize that a new request to write out sector 12345 makes the
previous request to write out sector 12345 invalid.
3.	The kernel of any unixen caches metadata for most of the file
system for long periods of time.  This is the whole point of the sync
daemon -- to flush this out to disk. 

> 
> 
> The really big problem that IDE had that EIDE fixed was that IDE
> couldn't do DMA, so the OS had to move each byte from the disk drive.
> On the other hand, SCSI's command overhead can be significant, often
> adding up to 10ms to the simplest command.  
> 
> 
> I would expect that if you only have one disk per EIDE controller, you
> will significantly outperform a single SCSI bus with two disks on it.
> 
> 
> -wayne
> 
> 


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>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:54:49 +0100, Jeppe Sigbrandt <jay@elec.gla.ac.uk>
>>>>> said:

> Has anyone else experienced complete lockups of the system?
> It has happened a few times to me, and it doesn't even let me
> telnet or rlogin to the machine.  So far this has happened
> only under X and when using mailtool over remote connection.

> Other info:
> 	Using fvwm2
> 	ne2000 card is loaded to 0x300
> 	using a substitute nfs.o module (thanks to Lazaro :)
> 	many relative symlinks broke during install
> 	 due to e.g. moving /usr onto another partition

Yes, this has happened to me about three times in as many weeks.  The only
constant that I've noticed is that it was always when I was in X.  I'm also
using fvwm2.  I've been attributing the problem to the fact that I'm using an
alpha-test version of the X server, but maybe not.

-Randy
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> On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:
> > I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.
> > 
> > I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
> > identifiers for these
> > HPFS partitions:
> > 
> >   /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
> >   /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown
> 
> This a little bit of a guess, (I have never used os/2 and linux on the 
> same machine, and I never got os/2 to run right either) but I am think 
> that /dev/hda2 might be your os/2 boot manager partition.  Are you using
> it? If you are, and linux's fdisk says it only 1 or 2 MB large, then I
> would  just remove it from your /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab files.

your suggestion doesn't hold water considering below he says it complains but
mounts the filesystem id 17 fine.

> > Has anybody else observed the two different identifers for HPFS
> > filesystems?  Is this a Bug?  Linux produces some error messages when
> > mounting the id 17 filesystem but it everything seems to work ok.  I
> > didn't observe any error messages when mounting the id 7 filesystem
> > which also works fine.
> > 
> > OS/2 Warp doesn't complain at all.

Of course OS/2 shouldn't complain.  But are you sure you have OS/2 Warp or
the Merlin beta?  I installed os/2 warp myself and never got this particular
'id 17' partition.  Still, could you use os/2's fdisk and see what kindof
partition os/2 thinks the partition on the ide hard drive is?

Perhaps this is another id number we should add to the types that fdisk/linux
recognizes.

Especially if you can mount the os/2 volumes correctly, you should not worry
but wonder when os/2 started using the new id and how to get the maintainers
of fdisk to realize this fact, perhaps even to name it appropriately.

BTW, there is available a rw os2 ext2 driver.  It allows os/2 to mount ext2
read-write.  Worked fine when I had os/2.  But I ran out of space and lost the
hd (shock therapy doesn't work with hd's :-) os/2 booted from, so I never
re-installed.

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On Aug 13,  8:09am, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
> Subject: Problems with aha1542.o ...
[snip]
: I did an strace -f on it and it seems that its
: unable to find its irq.  I can't find any way to pass a
: parameter to the module to tell it what irq I'm on (10)!

You can include the IRQ using a comma, as in:

  append = "aha1542=0x234,10"

It took me a while to search this down, but the documentation (thanks
to LDP) is available at:

  http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2

The syntax for the 'aha1542=' line is:

  aha152x=iobase[,irq[,scsi-id[,reconnect[,parity]]]]

This should, at minimum, allow you to include the IRQ.

I hope that helps!

Chris -)-----

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Dan Bergman wrote:

> I used to have a 1280x1024 virtual screen but now I only use
> a screen the same size as my viewport(1024x768) so whenever I start
> Netscape3.0b6 Mail program it's window is too large.. Where is this
> window size info stored??.. I've looked allover but no go..

When I first started using the following, it seemed that one or two had
no effect. That was several beta's ago though.

Netscape*Navigator.geometry:   1036x784+60+0
Netscape*Mail.geometry:        1036x784+60+0
Netscape*News.geometry:        1036x784+60+0
Netscape*Bookmark.geometry:     680x600+40+90
Netscape*AddressBook.geometry:  390x590+40+90
Netscape*Composition.geometry:  760x720+0+0

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Hi,
I have a 486 on which I untill recently had MSDos and Slackware installed on 
two diffrent harddisks, with LILO installed in the master boot block of the 
msdos harddisk allowing me to select between the two operating systems. This 
worked just fine.

Now, I decided to convert into Debian (I just love it's package system), so I 
through out the Slackware stuff and installed the three disks base system. I 
had to install LILO by hand because the instalation package tried to install 
it on the linx partion, which is the second partion on the secon harddisk 
(/dev/hdb2). I placed it on (/dev/hda). Then I rebootet. Then insted of the 
LILO text that is supposed to show up when LILO loads I only got "L" followd 
by "04" repeated in what seemsed to infinity.

I have tried bothe my old Slackware lilo configuration file, the new created 
by Debian. I have tried both the lilo version that came with Debian and the 
old one used by Slackware. I have tried having both the MSDos hd and the Linux 
HD as the first HD. And Gud knows what else, but the result is just the same. 
What am I doing wrong?

I have temporarity solved the problem by using a MSDos boot disk with a menu 
that allows me to either run the startup files from my HD after load MSDOS 
from the floppy, or execute loadlin to load a linux kernerel from my msdos HD 
and mount the root system. And this works acceptable. But it is not a decent 
solution. And since LILO worked with Slackware, I see no reason for it not to 
work with Debian. Any sugestions will be appricialed. Thanx.


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I am planing to install Debian (including X11) on a portable computer with a 
so called ttf screen. And I have heard that that requiers a special XFree86 
server. My question is simply dose there excist such a server? And where can I 
in that case find it? Once again thanx for a great distrobution and your graet 
support.


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>I am getting lots of messages about the key symbols
>not being right.  I remember from BSDI that you had
>to have the nls directory set up in a special place.
>Tried to hack this but still not getting the desired
>result (i.e. no more messages about missing keysyms).
>
>The docs say that a suitable XKeysymDB is included
>in the package, though I have my doubts.  Is there
>some manual intervention needed here?
>
>Thanks!

        When you unpack the .tar.gz file from netscape there is a nls
directory  in there.  There's a README file as well that tells you where to
put the nls directory since I can't seen to remember right now ;>

                        hope this helps a bit,
                                                mike...




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  Ken Gaugler writes:
  Ken>  I am getting lots of messages about the key symbols not being right.
  Ken> I remember from BSDI that you had to have the nls directory set up in
  Ken> a special place.  Tried to hack this but still not getting the desired
  Ken> result (i.e. no more messages about missing keysyms).

There are several ways out:
 
 - read the README that comes with netscape :-)

 - install Debian's motifnls package, it creates the required nls directory

 - use Debian's "netscape" installer package

and there are still more possibilities. I simply put netscape's binary into
/usr/local/lib/netscape, along with the moz3_0.zip and the XKeysymDB file,
and then use this script which is saved as /usr/local/bin/netscape

#!/bin/sh
XNLSPATH=/usr/lib/X11/nls/ \
XKEYSYMDB=/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB \
exec /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape "$@"     

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I'm assuming you use lilo.  when you boot up and get the lilo prompt, 
type: linux single 
      ^(or whatever you call your linux partition)
if you don't use lilo, you have to have a way to pass the message single 
to init, so read the help files for whatever loader you use.

Hope this helps

Shaya
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Ken Gaugler wrote:

> Last night I tried and tried to get my system to come up in
> single user mode (so I could do some major filesystem changes).
> I couldn't get it to come up single-user.  I tried booting from
> the original install boot floppy, and to my surprise it booted
> up my kernel on the hard disk?!?!?!
> 
> I couldn't find the solution in the docs anywhere.  Can anyone tell
> me what I should be doing?
> 
> For background, I need to change the size of some partitions, so
> I need to copy whole partitions to a temporary location while I
> re-do the partition table on the target disk.  I hope to avoid
> having to re-install from tape or from scratch this way.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 


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On 11:44:51 Ken Gaugler wrote:
>>Last night I tried and tried to get my system to come up in
>single user mode (so I could do some major filesystem changes).

Ken, I'm not certain, but you can get to it by issuing the command
'telinit 1' while logged in as root.  Thats one way.

>For background, I need to change the size of some partitions, so
>I need to copy whole partitions to a temporary location while I
>re-do the partition table on the target disk.  I hope to avoid
>having to re-install from tape or from scratch this way.

Perhaps a suggestion for you to consider to accomplish this is
using cpio.  For example, the command 'find . -depth | cpio -pdmv
/target_dir' will make an exact copy of a filesystem, preserving links
and file access times, etc.  If you execute the above from the top dir
of a filesystem, it will make a duplicate at the 'target_dir'.  I have used
cpio like this to copy the entire root and/or /usr partitions to new
locations with no problems whatsoever.

Paul


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I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I missed it.

I'm having a little trouble with the kernel-package package. Everything's
ok, I can build kernel-*.deb, but when I install kernel-image-whatever, I
get an error stating that there was a problem building /boot/psdatabase.
After that everything goes ok, and the kernel boots ok, but I'm wondering
what is this file.

After installing my kernel-image I find /etc/psdatabase, which I copy to
/boot/ as psdatabase-{version}, and I symlink /boot/psdatabase to it, but 
this symlink is already there anyway.

Ideas? I use kernel-package 2.02

TIA,

		Marcelo Magallon


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On Aug 13,  7:44am, Ken Gaugler wrote:
> Subject: how to boot single-user mode?
: Last night I tried and tried to get my system to come up in
: single user mode (so I could do some major filesystem changes).
: I couldn't get it to come up single-user.  I tried booting from
: the original install boot floppy, and to my surprise it booted
: up my kernel on the hard disk?!?!?!
>-- End of excerpt from Ken Gaugler

Just a quick check you can do:  Go into your BIOS setup and see if the
system is set to boot from C: then A:, or to ignore the floppy on boot.
 If so, then you need to make sure that the boot search order is A:,
C:.

This doesn't fix your other issue (not being able to run single-user),
but it's worth checking.

Chris -)-----

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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:31:04 -0400, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:

>/usr/doc/fileutils.  You will see a file called "color-ls.gz" with more
>details.  Briefly, you can simply execute

Ah...that might explain why I don't get the 'ls -o' ability.  Didn't
realize
Debian just copied it in, and never bothered to install it. :)

>Also, it is a *bad* idea to execute mv's and ln's on files that have been
>installed with dselect and/or dpkg.  If you don't confuse the package
>management system, you'll confuse yourself when you try to upgrade or
>install new packages.  It is fine to manipulate files in /usr/local

Ah, ok.  I was wondering why there was a /usr/bin and a /usr/local/bin.
:)

Thanks.  This really explains a lot.  I've been using OS/2 and DOS for
long enough, that I've gotten used to just being able to install my
programs
wherever I saw fit.  (Besides, it makes it easy to confuse the hell out
of
anyone that tries to read my directory structures...it's organized for
me,
but everyone else gets lost. :))



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I don't know if I can really help you here, except to relate my 
experiences:

A while back I attempted to install a SB AWE32 PnP sound card, with
absolutely no success. It didn't appear to affect any of my other
cards, but it didn't work. It didn't work under Win95 either, and Creative
Labs' "support" was worse than useless. I exchanged it - the replacement
didn't work any better. I returned it and bought another SB-compatible
PnP card for about 40% less. It installed effortlessly under Win95.

Now the bad news: I'm afraid I haven't tried it with Linux. Drop me a
line if you want me to.

Regards,
Alastair Gregory

Jim Worthington wrote:
> 
> I have a SoundBlaster 32 pnp audio card.  When this card is installed,
> my 3Com 3C509B ethernet card is not recognized by Linux at boot time.
> 
> The 3C509B is also a pnp device, but pnp is turned off and the card is
> manually configured.  There aren't any interrupt or I/O conflicts that I
> can identify.  I tried changing both of these settings on the 3COM
> card.  It made no difference.
> 
> Any ideas as to what's going on?
> 
> What is the current level of pnp support by Linux?
> 
> Any work arounds?
> 
> Jim <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>



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Gerry Jensen <gerry@blue.optimed.com> writes:


> I have a 1.5g Maxtor hard drive.  My motherboard has the Intel Triton
> chipset.  Do we have anything in common here?  I'm currently running
> 2.0.11 but have had this with other 2.0.x kernels as well. 

Aha. I've been having this problem and I have a 1.6 Maxtor HD ...


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From: hutch@shimoda.ena-east.ericsson.se (Brian Hutchinson)
> I follow the links from the Debian org homepage to:
> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/Debian-1.1/disks-i386/current
> here I try to download root.bin, boot1440.bin etc. and I get
> a error from my browser saying the links are bad and it can't
> find the files!

I've confirmed this, it seems to be a problem with the FTP server.
To work around it:

1. Use a FTP program, not a web browser.
2. Connect to ftp.debian.org, and issue the
   "cd /debian/Debian-1.1/disks-i386/current" command.
3. Issue the "binary" command.
4. Issue the "get root.bin" command.
5. Repeat as necessary for the other files.

Believe it or not, it won't work for absolute pathnames if a symbolic
link is a component of the path. You have to cd into the directory first.
Something is obviously broken. I've notified the system admin.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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The "msdos" filesystem is used where compatibility with DOS is important.
It is a low-performance filesystem. The "vfat" filesystem is the one used
by Windows 95, and has long file names and good DOS compatibility, but is
also low performance. Don't use either of these as your root filesystem.

The "minix" filesystem is used on floppies, because it has less overhead
than "ext2". It has limited support for long filenames and is low
performance.

The "ext2" filesystem is used on hard disks that only need to be accessed
by Linux. It has good performance.

There are various other filesystems that are shared with the Macintosh,
OS/2, and other PC Unix systems.

	Bruce
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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> I currently do not have an account on master.debian.org, but I have
> sent Bruce Perens the files, and he has been kind enough to upload
> them for me, so they should be appearing on the mirrors soon.

great!  useful program...

does it do it's own sound i/o, or does it use the Network Audio System?
(debian package nas 1.2p4-1)

I downloaded a pre-compiled binary from sunsite a few months ago (so i could
view mpegs etc directly from netscape).  i like the program, but in order to
hear any sound, i had to disable NAS with '/etc/init.d/nas stop'

does this version use NAS?

Alternatively, is there a version of NAS which transparently allows
NAS and non-NAS access to the sound card (possibly via a kludge like
replacing the /dev/audio device node with a named pipe)

Craig


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>
> I used to have a 1280x1024 virtual screen but now I only use
> a screen the same size as my viewport(1024x768) so whenever I start
> Netscape3.0b6 Mail program it's window is too large.. Where is this 
> window size info stored??.. I've looked allover but no go..
>

Have you looked in Netscape.ad?
If you used the debian package to install netscape then it is 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults directory under the name Netscape.

There is a section like this:

! Geometry
!
! Here's how you set the default sizes and positions of the Netscape windows:
!
! For the web browser window:   Netscape.Navigator.geometry: =500x700+100-0
! For the mail reader:          Netscape.Mail.geometry: =500x800+200-0
! For the news reader:          Netscape.News.geometry: =500x800+300-0
! For the mail editor:          Netscape.Composition.geometry: =400x600
! For the bookmarks window:     Netscape.Bookmarks.geometry: =300x900-0-0
! For the address book window:  Netscape.AddressBook.geometry: =300x900-300-0
! For the download windows:     Netscape.Download.geometry: =500x200-0-0
!

You can change it in that file which has system-wide effect, or add a
similar line in your own .Xresources file, eg
Netscape.Mail.geometry: =500x800

--Derek Lee


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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Ken Gaugler wrote:

> Last night I tried and tried to get my system to come up in single
> user mode (so I could do some major filesystem changes). I couldn't
> get it to come up single-user. I tried booting from the original
> install boot floppy, and to my surprise it booted up my kernel on the
> hard disk?!?!?!

    linux -b
or
    linux emergency

from the LILO command prompt (assuming that the kernel image you want to
load is called "linux", that is...which is the case on most systems).

Craig



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> here I try to download root.bin, boot1440.bin etc. and I get
> a error from my browser saying the links are bad and it can't
> find the files!

Fixed. The sysadmin had to create a symbolic link, but it's not clear
to me why.

	Bruce
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Jens Peter Lindemann said:
> bored of the rubbish that slackware blows on my disk, I looked for an 
> alternative - and found debian.
>
> ...
>
> - The $TERM Environment-Variable is set to "con80x25" on my system 
> which caused dselect to print an error-message and exit - no 
> possibility to install additional packages... (Error-Message 
> something like "Error opening terminal: con80x25.")
>
> The second problem is still there - I can't get an editor, dselect or 
> similar unless I set&export TERM=linux manually. And - worse - I 
> can't find where TERM is set to the confusing value. 

Bruce Perens answered:
> This is a symptom of an antique kernel. Are you running Debian 0.93? 
> Debian 1.1.4 is on our FTP site ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable . 
> Did you change the kernel in some other way? 

I upgraded my Slackware at home to Debian 1.1, and experienced a similar 
problem.  Indeed, what was causing the TERM variable to be incorrectly set was 
the fact that I was still booting my old 1.2.13 kernel from Slackware instead 
of the new 2.0.0 from Debian.  That happened because I kept many of my old 
Slackware files in the system, and even after the installation of Debian, lilo 
continued booting the old kernel (I actually rerun lilo, but because of a 
mistake from my part it didn't reinstall the boot sector).

I'm not sore this is Jens' case, but if so, the solution is just to configure 
lilo apropriately so that it boots the new kernel.

Hope this helps,

M. S.
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Martin A. Soto J.                           Profesor
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Hi Oz --

You said:
> After a power failure. I cannot fsck one of my IDE partition
> when I type:
> fsck /dev/hda8
> 
> I get:
> -- Parallelizing fsck version 1.02 (16-Jan-96)
> e2fsck 1.02, 16-Jan-96 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
> fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read
>  while trying to open /dev/hda8
> Could this be a zero-length partition?
> Is there any way to salvage this partition?
> Do I need to reformat this partition?

It's risky to offer anyone advice on repairing their disk, but here goes:
Boot up your system in single user mode (at the boot prompt, 
type "linux single"). 

Run fsck manually on the sick drive (fsck /dev/hda8).
Now you can either say 'y' when prompted, or 'n'.  If you choose 'n',
you obviously have to find some other way to fix the problem.  If you 
choose 'y', fsck may change your file system in a way that leads to lost
files.  

Run fsck a second time; this way it can correct any errors that might
have been left dangling from the first run.

Then (this is on the advice of Sherwood Botsford) execute
reboot -n
He said:
'The -n is critical -- when you finish the fsck, the state of the
 disk and the state of the kernel image of the disk are NOT the same
 and the disk image is the right one. -n says, "Don't write out
 the kernel image of what the disk is..." '

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Jens --

You said:
> Yesterday I tried to install the base-disks from buzz-fixed/binary-i386/disks
> (feivel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de).
> 
[snip]
> - The $TERM Environment-Variable is set to "con80x25" on my system which 
> caused dselect to print an error-message and exit - no possibility to install
> additional packages... (Error-Message something like "Error opening terminal:
>   con80x25.")
> 

I looked at the bootfloppies scripts, and think this may be the correct
explanation of your problem:

I suspect TERM is set to con80x25 in the kernel.  I found it being reset in
dinstall, which comes on the Debian boot disk and root disk.  (You mentioned
the base disks, not the boot and root disks, but I assume you also got the
boot disk and root disk. ?)

The script dinstall looks as if it sets TERM to linux if you choose Color 
installation just after you've inserted the boot disk.  It sets TERM 
to linux-m if you choose Monochrome installation.  It doesn't set TERM 
at all if you choose neither, but simply to continue with the installation 
without specifying either Color or Monochrome.

Then TERM gets set to linux again when you "configure" the system.  This 
includes: 
-- writing /etc/root.sh to /target/root/.configure, 
-- writing /etc/setup.sh to /target/sbin/setup.sh,
-- configuring the keyboard (which is where TERM is set to linux), and
-- configuring the timezone.

If you chose neither Monochrome nor Color installation, and if you somehow 
interrupted the process while you were setting up your keyboard, then 
linux would have remained set at the value given in the kernel.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Sherwood Botsford <sherwood@space.ualberta.ca> writes:

> I agree that you can do this in the OS, but I don't think that it
> *should* be done in the OS.
> 0.	In general smarts should be at the point they are used. We had a
> VAX that was about as speedy as a 12 MHz 286 with 287 co-processor.
> However, that vax could handle 8 simultaneous 19 KB terminal lines.
> How?  Smart serial cards.  
> 	The CPU should do those tasks that are either too general for
> dedicated hardware, or that don't happen often enough to take up much
> time.
> 1.	The OS shouldn't have to care about the layout of the disk.

Not trying to start a flame war here, but if the overhead to the cpu
is minimal, which I would guess it is for seek algorithms, you are
often better off doing it with the cpu.  Mainly because changing the
algorithms, fixing bugs, trying out new approaches, etc. can happen
with a simple kernel recompile, and improvment's in CPU speed (which
happen all the time, as opposed to the somewhat slower embedded
controller market) immediately translate to improvements in algorithm
speed.  Now if the disks just had some flash ROM and a 386 (or
equivalent that gcc knows about) on board, things might be different.
Either that or a couple of cheap 386's on the motherboard for stuff
like this...

I'm mostly just speculating.  I don't know that much about drive
hardware.

--
Rob


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My ISP just changed from login authentication to CHAP authentication.  Can someone
send me an example of what a chap-secrets file should look like?

This is an excerpt from the pppd logs:

Aug 12 06:09:22 haze pppd[393]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Aug 12 06:09:22 haze pppd[393]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 12 06:09:22 haze pppd[393]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS2
Aug 12 06:09:22 haze pppd[393]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <mru 1500> <magic 0x39f
354e7> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 12 06:09:25 haze pppd[393]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <mru 1500> <magic 0x39f
354e7> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 12 06:09:26 haze pppd[393]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x0 <asyncmap 0x0> <auth ch
ap msoft> <magic 0x7b83> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 12 06:09:26 haze pppd[393]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x0 <auth chap msoft>]
Aug 12 06:09:26 haze pppd[393]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <mru 1500> <magic 0x39f
354e7> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 12 06:09:26 haze pppd[393]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x1 00 00 02 dc]
Aug 12 06:09:26 haze pppd[393]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0x1]
Aug 12 06:09:28 haze pppd[393]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <mru 1500> <magic 0x39f
354e7> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 12 06:09:29 haze pppd[393]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Aug 12 06:09:29 haze pppd[393]: Modem hangup
Aug 12 06:09:29 haze pppd[393]: Connection terminated.
Aug 12 06:09:29 haze pppd[393]: Exit.


Thanks for any help.

Steve.



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The way I've found to do a PCMCIA install most easily was 8 floppies:
	2: standard boot+root
	3: base.tgz 3 disk set
	3: pcmcia-2.3.18_2.0.7.deb, then dpkg --split kernel-image_2.0.7

You can probably fit the last 3 onto 2, the pcmcia code is small and
kernel-image is only a little bit larger than one floppy.  I could
only find the kernel-image_2.0.7 on master.debian.org in Incoming,
though, which implies that it should show up *somewhere* soon but may
be hard to find in the meantime.  (You don't need special support for
pcmcia network cards in the kernel -- the pcmcia package ships with
the appropriate new modules (and everyone uses the 8390 anyway :-))

As for compiled-in ether cards: look in the "special-kernels"
directory with the boot disks for alternate boot disks; I don't know
if there is documentation other than the config files there to tell
you which one you want.


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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Douglas Bates wrote:

> `dmesg' shows a lot of messages about two sectors on my disk.  For
> example
>  hda: read_intr: error=0x01 { AddrMarkNotFound }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
>  hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
>  hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
>  end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05, sector 48787
>  hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
>  hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1097170, sector=48787
>  end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05, sector 48787
>  hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
>  hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1044268, sector=814444
>  end_request: I/O error, dev 03:03, sector 814444
> 
> Should this be a concern?  What action would be recommended?

Aug 13 01:16:15 brando kernel: hda: write_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Aug 13 01:16:15 brando kernel: hda: write_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug  6 18:50:42 brando kernel: hda: write_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Aug  6 18:50:43 brando kernel: hda: write_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug  6 23:20:24 brando kernel: hda: write_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Aug  6 23:20:24 brando kernel: hda: write_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }

This are skimmed from my /var/log/messages ...

My system is a Maxtor 540 (Bios calls it a 528) MB drive, IDE
and a 486-33.

BTW:  I posted about these messages on the linux-kernel list a
few days ago, it is being discussed there.  This is almost
certainly not Debian specific.

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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Sherwood Botsford wrote:

> > This is known as elevator seeking and should be done at the OS level.
> > The order that data is written out is very important for data
> > reliability, and for this reason, I don't think any hard disk change
> > the order of the writes.  
> 
> There are several different algolrithms for doing this.  Elevator seek
> is the simplest of them.  Some put a higher priority on reads over
> writes.  Some re-priortize the queue so that requests that have been
> outstanding for a while get bumped up the queue.  

Linux currently uses (accord. to the kernel lists) something
called sawtooth ordering.  This means the head moves in the same
direction until no more is left to read in that direction, then
does the same in the other direction... This provides more
"fairness" ie applications with data at the extreme ends of the
disk don't stall for a long time.

> I agree that you can do this in the OS, but I don't think that it
> *should* be done in the OS.
> 0.	In general smarts should be at the point they are used. We had a
> VAX that was about as speedy as a 12 MHz 286 with 287 co-processor.
> However, that vax could handle 8 simultaneous 19 KB terminal lines.
> How?  Smart serial cards.  

I agree for most hardware, but some issues of hard drive usage,
ie reading ahead, really should have support, not only in the
kernel but in the application, for best performance.  The
application knows more about it's usage patterns, which could
help in speeding up hardware.  (for example, "file" only reads a
small chunk of a file, but grep always scans the entire file.)

> 	The CPU should do those tasks that are either too general for
> dedicated hardware, or that don't happen often enough to take up much
> time.
> 1.	The OS shouldn't have to care about the layout of the disk.
> 2.	I don't understand why the order matters for reliability --
> unless you're talking about power failures.  This is a low order failure
> mode -- which is why you do backups -- for those rare occasions when the
> disk does lose a file when the lights go out.  The disk is smart enough
> to recognize that a new request to write out sector 12345 makes the
> previous request to write out sector 12345 invalid.

The reasoning is that the filesystem should be in an
"inconsistent" state as little as possible. (ideally...)  This
is for power failures, kernel oops'es, etc.

> 3.	The kernel of any unixen caches metadata for most of the file
> system for long periods of time.  This is the whole point of the sync
> daemon -- to flush this out to disk. 
> 
> 
> Sherwood Botsford |Unsolicited email that advertises commercial 
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> U of Alberta      |spellchecking of all words of less than three 
> Edmonton, AB,     |characters.  I charge $US500 for this service. 
> T6G 2J1		  |There is no warranty of correctness of this service. 

I think the OS's job should be efficiency, reliability, etc. 
Hardware is nice... but doing it in software is cheaper.  If
Linux can do well on cheap flaky hardware, more power to it.

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Hi,

> I'm assuming you use lilo.  when you boot up and get the lilo prompt, 
If you dont get the lilo prompt you need to hold down the shift-key before
the kernel is loading. This will be a user option in liloconfig.

BTW: instead of 'single' you can also use 'emergency' which will even skip
the sysinit script (in case you have a REAL problem that you systemget stuck
before it is able to enter single user mode).

Greetings
Bernd


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Hi,


> Now, I decided to convert into Debian (I just love it's package system), so I 
> through out the Slackware stuff and installed the three disks base system. I 
> had to install LILO by hand because the instalation package tried to install 
> it on the linx partion, which is the second partion on the secon harddisk 
> (/dev/hdb2). I placed it on (/dev/hda). Then I rebootet. Then insted of the 
> LILO text that is supposed to show up when LILO loads I only got "L" followd 
> by "04" repeated in what seemsed to infinity.

#   0x04   "Sector not found". This typically indicates a geometry mismatch.
#    If you're booting a raw-written disk image, verify whether it was
#    created for disks with the same geometry as the one you're using. If
#    you're booting from a SCSI disk or a large IDE disk, you should check,
#    whether LILO has obtained correct geometry data from the kernel or
#    whether the geometry definition corresponds to the real disk geometry.
#    (See section "Disk geometry".) Removing COMPACT may help too. So may
#    adding LINEAR.

You can see if the Geometry in the Bios is the same as Linux reports on
startup of the kernel. If not, you should specify the geometry in lilo.conf
as you have enterd it in the System Bios.

Greetings
Bernd

PS: read /usr/doc/lilo/Manual.txt (of lilo_19-1.deb).
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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Carl Johnson wrote:

> testhost command to download the active file, and there is a suck.newrc
> file left in the /tmp directory that shows the highest available
> entry in each newsgroup from my sucknewsrc file, 

What's in your sucknewsrc file? Try setting '1' as highest message in each
of your newsgroup entries.

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  Christopher> It took me a while to search this down, but the documentation
  Christopher> (thanks to LDP) is available at:
  Christopher> 
  Christopher> http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2

If you install the doc-linux package, it is also at

	/usr/doc/HOWTO/*

As the doc-linux package is updated monthly with the upstream HOWTOs, you
should always look for the newest one in unstable/binary-all/doc. Safe to
install on any system as it's only text. Hard to put a bug into that :-)

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Oz Dror <dror@netcom.com> writes:
> After a power failure. I cannot fsck one of my IDE partition
> when I type:
> fsck /dev/hda8
> 
> I get:
> -- Parallelizing fsck version 1.02 (16-Jan-96)
> e2fsck 1.02, 16-Jan-96 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
> fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read
>  while trying to open /dev/hda8
> Could this be a zero-length partition?
> 
> Is there any way to salvage this partition?
> 
> Do I need to reformat this partition?

This *sounds* like a problem I used to have (I don't remember the error
messages exactly, so I can't be sure).  My problem was that the end of my
partition table was being periodically corrupted, so that whenever I
rebooted, partitions 7 and 8 had screwed-up parameters.  Using fdisk to put
them back exactly the way they were fixed the problem.  What does fdisk say
about the partition?  If it has nonsense values, then you may be able to
salvage it the same way I did.  If the problem then repeats itself, then
there is a bug somewhere, and it wasn't just that I'd somehow managed to
screw up the partitioning of my disk (I *suspected* that writing data to one
of my partitions was somehow clobbering the partition table.  Ever since I
repartitioned, I have had no more problems, but that could just be because I
no longer have 4 logical partitions).

				Warwick

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Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:
> 
> > I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.
> >
> > I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
> > identifiers for these
> > HPFS partitions:
> >
> >   /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
> >   /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown
> 
> This a little bit of a guess, (I have never used os/2 and linux on the
> same machine, and I never got os/2 to run right either) but I am think
> that /dev/hda2 might be your os/2 boot manager partition.  Are you using it?
> If you are, and linux's fdisk says it only 1 or 2 MB large, then I would
> just remove it from your /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab files.

I am using OS/2 Boot Manager to select between Windows 95, OS/2 Warp and
Linux.  The boot manager partition has it's own unique identifier and is
being identified correctly. 

The HPFS partitions in question are in the 120 to 300 meg range.  I
checked the SCSI drive on a second machine and the OS/2 Warp (version 3)
partition has a 17 id.

Do you think that IBM created a new partition type with the release of
Warp (OS/2 version 3.0x)?

Jim



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Alastair Gregory wrote:

> A while back I attempted to install a SB AWE32 PnP sound card, with
> absolutely no success. It didn't appear to affect any of my other
> cards, but it didn't work. It didn't work under Win95 either, and Creative
> Labs' "support" was worse than useless. I exchanged it - the replacement
> didn't work any better. I returned it and bought another SB-compatible
> PnP card for about 40% less. It installed effortlessly under Win95.

The card works fine under windowd 95 -- almost -- I can't kill the on
board ide port.
I don't need another cdrom port and it consumes interrupt 10.  I can
kill it with win95's device manager but pnp brings it back every time
that I reboot.

Any recommendations for a Linux compatable sound card?  I'd like
wavetable and full duplex capabilities.

Jim


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Daniel Lynes wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:42:13 -0400, Jim Worthington wrote:
> 
> >  /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
> >  /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown
> 
> >The Unknown partition type (id 17) was created by OS/2 Warp fdisk during
> >the installation process.  It is also a primary partition.
> 
> I haven't experienced this myself, so this would lead me to believe one
> of
> the following:
> 
> /dev/hda2 is:
> 
> 1.  A primary partition (rather than an extended logical.)
> 2.  Is using HPFS386 (do you have Warp, or Warp Connect installed?)

The ID17 partition is a primary partition - Why would this matter?

I did make the observation, however, that the primary HPFS partition's
id = 17 and the extended HPFS partition's id = 7.

I'm running OS/2 3.0x (Warp) with a few fixes added.

Jim    <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>


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> I suspect TERM is set to con80x25 in the kernel.  I found it being reset in
> dinstall, which comes on the Debian boot disk and root disk.  (You mentioned
> the base disks, not the boot and root disks, but I assume you also got the
> boot disk and root disk. ?)

Yes, I have. I chose Color-Install from the initial root-Disk menue and followed
the NEXT-Menuitems most of the time - means: I initialized&mounted the swap
Partition that is used by my slackware-Installation, too. I initialized and
mounted (as "/") one of my linux-native Partitions and followed the
install-procedure up to the point where lilo is going to be installed. At this
point I left the installation-procedure and added the new root-Partition to my
slackware-lilo.conf (and ran lilo).

As far as I understood the initial contents of my debian-root-partition, with
the next boot-time root gets automatic-login on the first virtual terminal (via
inittab) and /root/.profile starts /root/.configure - right?

> The script dinstall looks as if it sets TERM to linux if you choose Color 
> installation just after you've inserted the boot disk.  It sets TERM 
> to linux-m if you choose Monochrome installation.  It doesn't set TERM 
> at all if you choose neither, but simply to continue with the installation 
> without specifying either Color or Monochrome.

I repeated the installation-procedure to avoid posting a false-alarm to the
mailing-list. Both times I chose color - and both times TERM was set to
"con80x25" when .configure called dselect :-(

> Then TERM gets set to linux again when you "configure" the system.  This 
> includes: 
> -- writing /etc/root.sh to /target/root/.configure, 
> -- writing /etc/setup.sh to /target/sbin/setup.sh,
> -- configuring the keyboard (which is where TERM is set to linux), and
> -- configuring the timezone.
> 
> If you chose neither Monochrome nor Color installation, and if you somehow 
> interrupted the process while you were setting up your keyboard, then 
> linux would have remained set at the value given in the kernel.

The most disturbing thing is now that I have to set TERM to a valid value
manually even after configuring the system.
Where is this variable set on a correctly conifgured debian-linux-system?

Jens Peter.


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> From: Jens Peter Lindemann <jlindema@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
> > The $TERM Environment-Variable is set to "con80x25" on my system
> 
> This is a symptom of an antique kernel. Are you running Debian 0.93? Debian
> 1.1.4 is on our FTP site ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable . Did you change
> the kernel in some other way?

All my installation-disks (including boot&root) are taken from 
ftp://feivel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/debian/Debian-1.1.4/disks-i386/

The bootdiskfile is
-r--r--r--   1 root     root      1474560 Jul 14 22:06 boot1440.bin

The kernel claims to be 2.0.6 - which can't be the kernel from debian 0.93?!

Still wondering what went wrong...

Jens Peter


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Hi all,

I'm installing Debian 1.1 on a P90 with a NCR53c810 SCSI controller,
so I grabbed the special kernel 'boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin' which supports
this cotroller. The installation process proceeds fine until the
"Install the Operating System Kernel" step. When I insert the
boot floppy after a while I get the message:

Error in archive format.

I'm sure the floppy is good (I've tryed 2 different floppies 
formatted with fdformat) and the file boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin has
been downloaded from ftp.debian.org. So my guess is that the
original file is somehow corrupted.

I've tryed to insert the "standard" boot disk and it has been read
correctly, but there is an incompatibility between the version of the
kernel of the 2 boot disks so I can't load the module for the
ethernet card to continue the installation via NFS.

Anyone has experienced similar problems? 

Thanks in advance for any answer.

Regards,
Luca.



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Hakan,

You don't need special X servers for laptop displays. You need only
concern yourself with the chipset used to control your display (eg:
Mach, Cirrus, etc). XFree86 servers for many chipsets are available as
Debian packages from ftp://ftp.debian.org or local mirrors.

TFT stands for Thin Film Technology. You may want to visit the Linux
Laptop Home Page at http://speedy.redhat.com/llhp. This carries a wealth
of useful info about running Linux and X on laptops, with links to many
useful sites.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

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From: 	Hakan Ardo[SMTP:hakan@munin.ub2.lu.se]
Sent: 	13 August 1996 21:00
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Subject: 	X11 on a protable ttf screen

I am planing to install Debian (including X11) on a portable computer
with a 
so called ttf screen. And I have heard that that requiers a special
XFree86 
server. My question is simply dose there excist such a server? And where
can I 
in that case find it? Once again thanx for a great distrobution and your
graet 
support.


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Hi there,


	I was just installing again Latex, after some accidental purging
of my old Latex setup. Among the things that I installed are:

	latex		2e-7
	kpathsea	2.6-2	Path searching "tool".
	mfbasfnt	1.0-4	Tex default fonts.
	mfbin		2.71-4	Metafont.

What happens now is that when I try to Latex the following,

\documentclass[a4paper,12pt]{article}
\usepackage{t1enc}
\usepackage{amstex}
\usepackage{algorithmic}
\usepackage{epsfig}
\author{Kári Davíðsson.}
\date{\today}
\title{Unknown yet.}
\begin{document}
\maketitle
\input{introd.tex}
\end{document}

I get the following error from MetaFont, which I did not get before:

                    .
                    .
                    .
>(/usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/t1enc.stykpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM >dcr1200.tfm 
>Running MakeTeXPK dcr1200.tfm
>mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input dcr1200 \</dev/null
>This is METAFONT, Version 2.71 (C version 6.1)
>
>kpathsea: Running MakeTeXMF dcr1200.mf 
>! I can't find file `dcr1200.mf'.
><*> ...nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input dcr1200
>                                                  
>Please type another input file name: 
>! Emergency stop.
><*> ...nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input dcr1200
>                                                  
>Transcript written on mfput.log.
>Metafont failed for some reason on dcr1200.tfm
>kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.

When doing a soft link (ln -s)  from dcr1200.tfm to dcr12.tfm in
/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/dc, I get the same error later in the
"latex startup/premable" for font dcr2074.tfm and after the \maketitle
command for font dcr1440.tfm. I am completly clueless about what is 
happening, as I said it worked before this unfortunate reinstall.
Neadless to say, these font files  dcr1200.tfm, dcr2074.tfm and
dcr1440.tfm do not seem to excist any where on the system.

I even zapped the nev installation compleatly and installed it once
more with no luck. I was going to use the ln -s trick for all the fonts
but, I am not shure which font files are the correct one to link to
dcr2074.tfm and dcr1440.tfm, besides I don't belive that to be the
correct solution.

Thanks in advance

	K.D.
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  * Kári Davíðsson                    *                               *
  * Opiskelijankatu 4 C 151           *                               *
  * 33720 Tampere                     *     Your advertisement here.  *
  * Finland                           *     Low prices.               *
  * Tel: + 358-(9)50-5225153          *                               *
  * d154402@cs.tut.fi                 *	                              *
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...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd?

Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have 
account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The 
only way, as I guess, they grabed root's privilages was free access to 
/etc/passwd.
Is there a free and debianized shadow-password package?

TIA.

    Jerzy Kakol


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Whether it had been asked before or not, I also had the 
same problem as you and wanted to know more about this.
psupdate will update the file, but according to the man
pages it updates /etc/psdatabase, not /boot/psdatabase.
And I'm still not clear on just WHAT it is even used for.
Anyone else know?
Jim

At 02:53 PM 8/13/96 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I missed it.
>
>I'm having a little trouble with the kernel-package package. Everything's
>ok, I can build kernel-*.deb, but when I install kernel-image-whatever, I
>get an error stating that there was a problem building /boot/psdatabase.
>After that everything goes ok, and the kernel boots ok, but I'm wondering
>what is this file.
>
>After installing my kernel-image I find /etc/psdatabase, which I copy to
>/boot/ as psdatabase-{version}, and I symlink /boot/psdatabase to it, but 
>this symlink is already there anyway.
>
>Ideas? I use kernel-package 2.02
>
>TIA,
>
>		Marcelo Magallon
>
>
===========================================================
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Hi!

Last night I installed kernel 2.0.12 and now I have sound!
Well, I can use auplay to play a .wav file anyway.  I have
no idea how to test the rest of my board's functionality.
Does anybody know of a digital audio package for Debian that
will let me record digital audio?  How about a MIDI package
that will let me at least play MIDI files?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Christopher> It took me a while to search this down, but the documentation
>   Christopher> (thanks to LDP) is available at:
>   Christopher> 
>   Christopher> http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2
> 
> If you install the doc-linux package, it is also at
> 
> 	/usr/doc/HOWTO/*
> 
> As the doc-linux package is updated monthly with the upstream HOWTOs, you
> should always look for the newest one in unstable/binary-all/doc. Safe to
> install on any system as it's only text. Hard to put a bug into that :-)
> 
> --
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> 

Yes I read the BootPrompt-HOWTO, that's where I got the
append = "aha1542=0x234" syntax.  However, the driver source
code is where to get the module parameters (as per this same
HOWTO).  In the aha1542.c file, there is a section that
explains why you cannot pass IRQ or DMA parameters.  The
driver was apparently "upgraded" to issue "request_{irq,dma}
calls that query the board for that info.  I suspect that
the reason the module can't find the IRQ for the board is
because it can't find the board.  This was working fine
before I changed the base_io, and it still works fine under
DOS/WIN.  I'm sure I just need to properly inform the driver
module of the new base_io address (0x234).  

Does anybody know how I can tell what this value is set to?
I mean I set aha1542=0x234 in lilo, but how can I tell if
its been set in the kernel?  Can anybody tell me if I even
set it correctly?  It looks good to me, using the aha1542.c
file as a guide, but I'm rather new at this.  By the way,
I upgraded to kernel 2.0.12 last night, but no magic.

Thanks in advance

Richard G. Roberto
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Ken Gaugler wrote:

> I am getting lots of messages about the key symbols
> not being right.  I remember from BSDI that you had
> to have the nls directory set up in a special place.
> Tried to hack this but still not getting the desired
> result (i.e. no more messages about missing keysyms).
> 
> The docs say that a suitable XKeysymDB is included
> in the package, though I have my doubts.  Is there
> some manual intervention needed here?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

The following environment variables are useable:

XKEYSYMDB
XNLSPATH

Where XKEYSYMDB points to the XKeysymDB file inthe Netscape
distribution and XNLSPATH is a colon separated list of
possible locations for the nls directory.  I'm not sure if
it wants the path to the parent directory (i.e.
/usr/local/Netscape) or the actual nls directory (i.e.
/usr/local/Netscape/nls) so you could just include both.  I
have a script to start netscape that (re)sets these
variables and then exec's netscape.  I'm using Netscape2.0.2
precompiled ELF binaries. 

I hope that helps.  By the way, has anybody run into a
problem in 16 bit mode where netscape hangs the X session?
It's happening to me, and I think I remember somebody else
having that problem too.  Any fixes?  Probably not ...


Richard G. Roberto
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Luca,

Yes, I've got a similar problem.

Try this:
  In your systems BIOS setup, disable the internal cache, then try the
  installation again.
  If that fails, try turning off the external cache, too.

This has worked for some.  From what I've read (and havn't had time to
test), once the system is installed on your hard drive you should be
able to turn the cache back on.

*If* this works for you, *please* let me know.  I'll try to coordinate
some of the data so that we have something solid to pass to the
developers.

Chris -)-----

On Aug 14, 11:24am, Luca Maranzano wrote:
> Subject: "Error in archive format" for boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin
: Hi all,
:
: I'm installing Debian 1.1 on a P90 with a NCR53c810 SCSI controller,
: so I grabbed the special kernel 'boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin' which supports
: this cotroller. The installation process proceeds fine until the
: "Install the Operating System Kernel" step. When I insert the
: boot floppy after a while I get the message:
:
: Error in archive format.
:
: I'm sure the floppy is good (I've tryed 2 different floppies
: formatted with fdformat) and the file boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin has
: been downloaded from ftp.debian.org. So my guess is that the
: original file is somehow corrupted.
:
: I've tryed to insert the "standard" boot disk and it has been read
: correctly, but there is an incompatibility between the version of the
: kernel of the 2 boot disks so I can't load the module for the
: ethernet card to continue the installation via NFS.
:
: Anyone has experienced similar problems?
:
: Thanks in advance for any answer.
:
: Regards,
: Luca.
:
>-- End of excerpt from Luca Maranzano


-- 
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I remember somebody saying something about a certain program being
removed when they ran dselect the other day?

Well, I found out what the problem was, by monitoring my installation
closely.  The first time you run the 'remove selected programs' option
from the dselect menu, it removes that program for some reason.  The
only way to get it back, is to reinstall Debian, or download the base
directory as well, and then reinstall it manually.


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>>>>> On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:40:00 +0200, Jean Orloff <orloff@lapp.in2p3.fr>
>>>>> said:
 >> I'm still unsuccessfully fighting my chat problems reported over 2 weeks
 >> ago. [snip]

 >> After CONNECT, chat sends a character over the line, and hopelessly waits
 >> for the reply (a login prompt): just as if the line beyond the modem was
 >> cut.

>>>>> On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:29:50 -0700, Randy Gobbel <gobbel@zakros.ucsd.edu> answered:

 Randy> Some ISPs require you to type a couple of carriage returns before
 Randy> they'll give you a prompt.  To do this, put "\d\r\d\r\d\r" as the first
 Randy> send string.  A single character may not be enough.

Tilt, bingo, WAOOOW! "\d" was the solution!!!! Randy, I love you!!!

I had earlier tried sending muliple characters (eg "\r\r\r") to no avail. The
problem was then apparently that a delay is needed between the moment the modem
issues "CONNECT 28800" and the moment the ISP is ready to respond. Anything
sent in the meantime apparently fell in some bit bucket on the way... Of
course, this delay was easily satisfied when manually connecting with minicom:
human brain is sooo sssllloooowwww!

To summarize, the chat string example given in eg PPP-HOWTO:

       chat -v -l LCK..$DEVICE ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT BUSY "" ATZ OK\
          ATDT$PHONE CONNECT "" ogin: $USER ssword: \\q$PASSWORD

wouldn't work for me. But what would work contains a \d:

       chat -v -l LCK..$DEVICE ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT BUSY "" ATZ OK\
          ATDT$PHONE CONNECT '\d' ogin: $USER ssword: \\q$PASSWORD

The simple chat string example of the chat manpage

       '' ATZ OK ATDT5551212 CONNECT '' ogin: ppp ssword: hello2u2

would not work, whereas the more refined

       '' ATZ  OK ATDT5551212 CONNECT '' ogin:--ogin: ppp assowrd: hello2u2

would always fail on the first "ogin:" expect, but would probably work on the
second, provided the timeout is larger than my "minimum delay" (quite probable)

Finally, this is not a bug in chat: chat cannot see a difference between what
is generated by the local and remote modems. If anything, it might be a bug in
my modem that generates a CONNECT string before being really ready to transmit,
or to be nasty, in the docs that never mention this may happen.

It certainly was a bug in my mind: thanks for the debugging, Randy!

Amities,

		Jean Orloff
+++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
+Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
+++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
In a Norwegian cocktail lounge:
       Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar.
+++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+


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I had this exact same setup. Slackware on the slave disk and msdos on
the other master disk. And I just recently upgraded to Debian and ran
into the exact same problem. Silly me to forget to uninstall lilo
first!  The reason your boot is hanging is that it is looking for the
old lilo that doesnt't exist anymore. You need to re-install lilo.  If
your lilo.conf is setup right just type "lilo" and it should re-write
the MBR so you'll be able to boot normally. Lilo should be on your
linux partition, not your dos partition. Good luck!

	- Josh Stockwell

 Hakan wrote:
>>> I have a 486 on which I untill recently had MSDos and Slackware installed on 
>>> two diffrent harddisks, with LILO installed in the master boot block of the 
>>> msdos harddisk allowing me to select between the two operating systems. This 
>>> worked just fine.

>>> Now, I decided to convert into Debian (I just love it's package system), so I
>>> through out the Slackware stuff and installed the three disks base system. I
>>> had to install LILO by hand because the instalation package tried to install
>>> it on the linx partion, which is the second partion on the secon harddisk
>>> (/dev/hdb2). I placed it on (/dev/hda). Then I rebootet. Then insted of the
>>> LILO text that is supposed to show up when LILO loads I only got "L" followd
>>> by "04" repeated in what seemsed to infinity.

>>> I have tried bothe my old Slackware lilo configuration file, the new created 
>>> by Debian. I have tried both the lilo version that came with Debian and the 
>>> old one used by Slackware. I have tried having both the MSDos hd and the Linux 
>>> HD as the first HD. And Gud knows what else, but the result is just the same. 
>>> What am I doing wrong?

>>> I have temporarity solved the problem by using a MSDos boot disk with a menu 
>>> that allows me to either run the startup files from my HD after load MSDOS 
>>> from the floppy, or execute loadlin to load a linux kernerel from my msdos HD 
>>> and mount the root system. And this works acceptable. But it is not a decent 
>>> solution. And since LILO worked with Slackware, I see no reason for it not to 
>>> work with Debian. Any sugestions will be appricialed. Thanx.



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In your email to me, Carl Johnson, you wrote:
> > > I have been trying to get suck working and haven't had any luck.
> > > Everything seems to work with no complaints and no error messages, but
> > > it always reports that there is nothing to download. I can use the
> > > testhost command to download the active file, and there is a suck.newrc
> > > file left in the /tmp directory that shows the highest available
> > > entry in each newsgroup from my sucknewsrc file, so it seems to be
> > > communicating OK. Has anybody else had anything similar to this happen?
> > > I am using the package version 2.6.3-1 from the stable release.
> > 
> > I'm using suck.. it d/l news ok, I just can't post back. I bet you are
> > using -1 as an initial number? Try 0.
> > 
> > Tim
> 
> I just tried it and it now works fine.  So, why do they send the default
> setup with -1?

One thing thats not real obvious is that you should be using a 
premade script named /usr/sbin/get-news.inn. IT handles the moving
of the newsrc files and such. According to the docs, the -1 will
just get the highest number, so you can start from there. The 0
will pull *all* available articles, which like in our server, can
be up to 21 days worth of news...

Tim

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In your email to me, Mark Eichin, you wrote:
> 
> The way I've found to do a PCMCIA install most easily was 8 floppies:
> 	2: standard boot+root
> 	3: base.tgz 3 disk set
> 	3: pcmcia-2.3.18_2.0.7.deb, then dpkg --split kernel-image_2.0.7
> 
> You can probably fit the last 3 onto 2, the pcmcia code is small and
> kernel-image is only a little bit larger than one floppy.  I could
> only find the kernel-image_2.0.7 on master.debian.org in Incoming,
> though, which implies that it should show up *somewhere* soon but may
> be hard to find in the meantime.  (You don't need special support for
> pcmcia network cards in the kernel -- the pcmcia package ships with
> the appropriate new modules (and everyone uses the 8390 anyway :-))
> 
> As for compiled-in ether cards: look in the "special-kernels"
> directory with the boot disks for alternate boot disks; I don't know
> if there is documentation other than the config files there to tell
> you which one you want.

OK... what I'm trying to do is have a 2 disk set that will give me
a # prompt, and be able to see and configure just about any of the
common ethernet cards out there. This means the shared libs ( I guess)
and a bunch of other bins. I don't think this will fit onto the 2nd
floppy. 

Tim


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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jens Peter Lindemann wrote:
>Still wondering what went wrong...
Did you install the lshell? There had been a version that scrambles the
TERM variable

Try to set the shell to /bin/bash

--
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Kristian Köhntopp <kris@schulung.netuse.de            | Schillerstr. 61 
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>>with a cisco router. I assume a factor of about ten.| ++49-551-71626
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As Jerzy Kakol said:
> 
> 
> ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd?

Perhaps a bit, but not too much. The passwords in /etc/passwd are encrypted
through one-way DES encryption.  It's much easier to simply guess users'
passwords, the majority of which are first-names or first-names followed
by a number.

> 
> TIA.
> 
>     Jerzy Kakol
> 
--gilbert
______________________________________________________________________
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Hi there,

I have just tried to install Debian-1.1.5 which I got via ftp from
ftp.inka.de. 

I used the disk set 1996-07-14 to make the base installation. 

The problem is that I can't insert the nfs module into the kernel. Which
of course is the end of the story so far because I want to install via
nfs. 

When running insmod, I get the following error message (more or less, I
quote by heart, since the machine I'm writing this on is literally
remote): 

  installation of nfs module failed.
  symbols from Linux-2.0.6 don't match the definition from Linux-2.0.6

  nfs_mknod: can't resolve ...
  nfs_<this and that, some 10 more symbols>

For me this looks like an inconsistency in the disk set.

What do you think?

Heiko
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Hello;

I have been getting lots of warning messages about the nls directory
and about XKeysymDB using a binary of 2.02 I stole from my Slackware system,
with no preparation other than sticking the binary in /usr/X11R6/bin.

I tried to use dpkg to install Netscape the _right_ way, and it expects
a netscape 3.0b4 file to be in /tmp; here is what dpkg says when I try
dpkg -i using the 1.1 cdrom:

[snip]
Setting up netscape (3.0-beta4-1) ...
ERROR: The Netscape archive must be in /tmp under the name:
       /tmp/netscape-v30b4-export.i586-unknown-linux-elf.tar.[gz|Z]

       Do NOT simply rename the archive of another version in order to
       force it to install with this package.  It will not work.
[snip]

Anyway, I looked on the Netscape ftp archive last night and they now 
have 3.0b5, 3.0b6, and 3.0b7 _only_ on their site, not b4.

Dpkg specifically asks for the beta 4 binary; can I get away with using
one of the newer binaries?  Do I need to tweak anything to get it to
install using dpkg?

Thanks a lot!
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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote:

> 
> ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd?
> 
> Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have 
> account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The 
> only way, as I guess, they grabed root's privilages was free access to 
> /etc/passwd.
> Is there a free and debianized shadow-password package?
> 
> TIA.
> 
>     Jerzy Kakol

I know there is a shadow password system for linux and there may
in fact be a .deb for that package.

These are typical permissions for /etc/passwd:

-rw-r--r--    1 root     sys         1309 Jun 25 15:05 /etc/passwd

That's right, readable by all. The protection in the original
passwd mechanism doesn't come from hiding the cipher text, that field
is the result of a one-way hash and cannot be effectively decrypted.
(In fact the one-way hash makes it impossible for the "rubber hose
cryptanalyt" to beat the passwords out of you or another sys admin.)

If your passwords are good even if an attacker gets your /etc/passwd
they won't find anything by craking it (dictionary attack). You may
want to have passwords checked before they are hashed into /etc/passwd
using anlpasswd or the like with the biggest baddest dictionary files
you can find. The anlpasswd program replaces passwd or yppasswd, though
this isn't obvious to your users.

If your system has been compromised, or is likely to be, you will
probably want to restore it from a known good backup (or, better yet, 
reinstall) and run Tripwire (or a similar tool) to be sure of integrity 
in the future. Even if you fixed the root password you probably have no
idea what else the intuders may have done to keep a back door open.
_____________________________________________________________________
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> I am getting lots of messages about the key symbols
> not being right.  I remember from BSDI that you had
> to have the nls directory set up in a special place.
> Tried to hack this but still not getting the desired
> result (i.e. no more messages about missing keysyms).
>
> The docs say that a suitable XKeysymDB is included
> in the package, though I have my doubts.  Is there
> some manual intervention needed here?

Use the "netscape" package from the distribution.  It takes
care of all this.

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As Luca Maranzano said:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm installing Debian 1.1 on a P90 with a NCR53c810 SCSI controller,
> so I grabbed the special kernel 'boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin' which supports
> this cotroller. The installation process proceeds fine until the
> "Install the Operating System Kernel" step. When I insert the
> boot floppy after a while I get the message:
> 
> Error in archive format.

The boot floppy has an MS-DOS filesystem on it. If you do a directory of
that disk, you'll find a file called MODULES.TGZ  This is the bad file.
Either use the DOS versions of gzip and tar, or upload this file to a Unix
system and rename it 'modules.tar.gz'

gzip -d MODULES.TGZ   works fine.

tar tf MODULES.TAR   recreates your error. It's a bad tar file.

All the special kernel disks have this.

I had to create my own MODULES.TGZ file on another Unix system by extracing
the pertinent modules from one of the Debian packages (I forget which one
now).

--gilbert

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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote:

> 
> ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd?
> 
> Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have 
> account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The 
> only way, as I guess, they grabed root's privilages was free access to 
> /etc/passwd.
> Is there a free and debianized shadow-password package?
> 

One of the first things to remember is to use an Alpha numeric and special
character password for root that usually fixes 99.99% of all hackers from
gaining root access. We use NIS and our users are able to read the password
entries for everyone however we tell users this and tell them how to create a
secure password. :)

Matt

Sorry to be sarcastic but I can be that way at times :)


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Sorry, I just had to get in my two bits about this...

I believe the logic for reordering SCSI IO requests really does belong =
in the drive. With regard to the performance concerns of the drive's CPU =
speed for making decisions about the next IO to process: an average seek =
is 10ms and average latency (time waiting for the drive to spin around =
to the right sector) is 5.5ms (time for one revolution of a 5400rpm =
drive divided by 2); on average, the drive's CPU has 15.5ms to think =
about how to order IOs received while the current IO is being processed. =
Lots-o-time for your average 16-bit embedded controller.

The drive's CPU can always make better decisions about reordering =
requests because it knows the details of the drive's parameters and its =
current state. A drive's CPU can reorder requests based upon seek AND =
latency; the system's CPU cannot.

Given equal drive parameters, the IO throughput (what matters for =
multi-tasking OSs) for a SCSI-2 system should be better than EIDE. Where =
SCSI really begins to shine in IO throughput is using disk block =
striping (RAID 0) using two or more SCSI disks. You can place 7 disks on =
a single SCSI bus and come no where near saturating the SCSI bus =
bandwidth with the random IOs that Linux generates. If one SCSI drive =
gives you 60 IOs/sec of throughput, seven of those drives gives you 420 =
IOs/sec of throughput. I only wish it was that easy to increase my CPU =
performance!

Al Youngwerth
alberty@apexxtech.com

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From: 	Rob Browning[SMTP:osiris@cs.utexas.edu]
Sent: 	Tuesday, August 13, 1996 6:19 PM
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Sherwood Botsford <sherwood@space.ualberta.ca> writes:

> I agree that you can do this in the OS, but I don't think that it
> *should* be done in the OS.
> 0.	In general smarts should be at the point they are used. We had a
> VAX that was about as speedy as a 12 MHz 286 with 287 co-processor.
> However, that vax could handle 8 simultaneous 19 KB terminal lines.
> How?  Smart serial cards. =20
> 	The CPU should do those tasks that are either too general for
> dedicated hardware, or that don't happen often enough to take up much
> time.
> 1.	The OS shouldn't have to care about the layout of the disk.

Not trying to start a flame war here, but if the overhead to the cpu
is minimal, which I would guess it is for seek algorithms, you are
often better off doing it with the cpu.  Mainly because changing the
algorithms, fixing bugs, trying out new approaches, etc. can happen
with a simple kernel recompile, and improvment's in CPU speed (which
happen all the time, as opposed to the somewhat slower embedded
controller market) immediately translate to improvements in algorithm
speed.  Now if the disks just had some flash ROM and a 386 (or
equivalent that gcc knows about) on board, things might be different.
Either that or a couple of cheap 386's on the motherboard for stuff
like this...

I'm mostly just speculating.  I don't know that much about drive
hardware.

--
Rob





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((((I tried to send this to Steve directly but it bounced))))

Steven Tonnesen wrote:
> 
> My ISP just changed from login authentication to CHAP authentication.  Can someone
> send me an example of what a chap-secrets file should look like?

I just set up PAP for my wife's ISP. It may be very similar. I figured
it out from the pppd man page.

Given:

login id = mylogin
login password = mypsw
isp name = myisp

I put on the pppd command line:

user mylogin remotename myisp

and in pap-secrets, one line:

mylogin myisp mypsw

NOTE: this is all from memory, so please check the man page. I may have
the secrets values out of order. Hopefully, the chap setup is very
similar to the PAP setup.

-- 
...RickM...


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Al Youngwerth <alberty@apexxtech.com> writes:

> Sorry, I just had to get in my two bits about this...

No problem.

> The drive's CPU can always make better decisions about reordering =
> requests because it knows the details of the drive's parameters and
> its = current state. A drive's CPU can reorder requests based upon
> seek AND = latency; the system's CPU cannot.

I see your point.  I was mostly just voicing a general preference
about avoiding embedded systems.  In this case using the embedded
control might be warranted, but in general, embedded systems are a
real pain to deal with, and most people can't do much to fix them when
they're broken.

--
Rob


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To: Jerzy Kakol <kakol@angband.microb.uni.wroc.pl>
From: Karl Ferguson <karl@tower.net.au>
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At 05:01 PM 8/14/96 +0200, you wrote:
>
>...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd?
>
>Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have 
>account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The 
>only way, as I guess, they grabed root's privilages was free access to 
>/etc/passwd.
>Is there a free and debianized shadow-password package?

Make sure you take good steps to ensure your security - for example, when a
user changes passwords on my network it wont let them change it to a
dictionary word,  must have uppercase letters, and at least 1 numeral in it.
(that's the way I installed Debian 1.1 anyway - by default it does this I
think as long as you install a dictionary).

There certainly is a debian shadow password package...  Check the
project/experimental directory - be forewarned though, it's exactly that --
experimental :-)  I however have run it fine and it does seem to work
(though I'm not using it now because I reformatted).

...Karl

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>From debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Tue Aug 13 16:44:48 1996
Someone (sorry, lost name) wrote:
> -- one never knows if/when PS/2 mouse is going to be available in a 
>    downloaded kernel, whereas serial support is virtually always there.

Todd Fries (todd@miango.com) responded:
> Oh give me a break.  If you are not experienced enough to compile your own
> kernel for your own custom hardware you should never be giving advice to
> other linux users until you are.  SHEESH.  It is not that hard.  Do a
> 'make config' once, cp .config to some safe place, then if you must remove
> your kernel source tree or upgrade or compile someone else's kernel, you can,
> and the copy the file back and say 'make oldconfig'.  IT IS NOT THAT HARD
> PEOPLE!!!!!  I personally have 14 different 'configurations' for different
> people in my 'safe place' away from the kernel tree.  So I can compile for
> 14 different people if they ask me to.

Todd, I'm sure that you're the neatest computer guy on your block, but
I think that you missed the original poster's point.  Users shouldn't
have to recompile their kernels to get their PS/2 mice to work.  Such a
requirement is enough to keep many potential Debian users from successfully
making the leap from MSStuff to Debian.

In my case, I used to select a module named psaux, and my PS/2 mouse
worked fine.  Recently I upgraded to Debian 1.1, circa July 1st.  As far
as I can tell, the psaux module is no longer an option.  Coincidentally,
my mouse no longer works (when I "startx", the system says "Fatal server
error: Cannot open mouse (No such device)").  My situation is caused by
one or more of the following:

  1.  I am doing something wrong.
  2.  There was a more serious problem with my OS upgrade.
  3.  Debian has a bug in its PS/2 mouse support.
  4.  Default support for PS/2 mice was intentionally removed.

Unfortunately, I haven't had time to look into this seriously so I'm
still Debian-less.  I've seen possibility #4 alluded to (usually preceded
by the words "I think") several times on this mailing list.  But I'm
suffering from a massive case of disbelief that this default capability
would intentionally be removed.

What I would very much like to see is a definitive statement regarding
Debian's default support, or default lack of support, for PS/2 mice.
(Hi Bruce, please respond).  If default PS/2 mouse support has been
intentionally removed, I'd also appreciate a quick explanation and
request that this decision be reconsidered.

Thanks for your support,
Mark Rahner


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Dear selber@fhi-berlin.mpg.de



> 
> I have just tried to install Debian-1.1.5 which I got via ftp from
> ftp.inka.de. 
> 
> I used the disk set 1996-07-14 to make the base installation. 
> 
> The problem is that I can't insert the nfs module into the kernel. Which
> of course is the end of the story so far because I want to install via
> nfs. 
> 
> When running insmod, I get the following error message (more or less, I
> quote by heart, since the machine I'm writing this on is literally
> remote): 
> 
>   installation of nfs module failed.
>   symbols from Linux-2.0.6 don't match the definition from Linux-2.0.6
> 
>   nfs_mknod: can't resolve ...
>   nfs_<this and that, some 10 more symbols>
> 

This topic has been in the list lately. Until a new version of the
kernel image package is available, you have two options.

1) Recompile the kernel using the kernel-source package.
2) Use my without-any-promises recompiled package which has a working
nfs.o module in it. This package is in 

   ftp.mcc.ac.uk:/pub/linux/distributions

and is called 

   kernel-image-2.0.6-custom-1.0.i386.deb

The problem appears to be with the nfs.o module which does not match
the kernel!

Alvin

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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> Last night I installed kernel 2.0.12 and now I have sound!
> Well, I can use auplay to play a .wav file anyway.  I have
> no idea how to test the rest of my board's functionality.
> Does anybody know of a digital audio package for Debian that
> will let me record digital audio?  How about a MIDI package
> that will let me at least play MIDI files?

Richard,

Take a look at the Linux Sound HOWTO document that can be found in
comp.os.linux.answers as well as other places.

Best regards,

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Does anyone have experience printing to a remote appletalk printer, that 
isn't connected to any computer.  I would expect that this would be done 
through ethertalk and use a command like pap, but I am not sure how I 
would implement it.  Any thing at this point would be helpfull.

Thanks

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> fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read

From: "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>
> Run fsck manually on the sick drive (fsck /dev/hda8).

I sent a private note to this user that he should print the disk partition
table (using "fdisk") and see what it says for partition 8. The message
indicates a possible corrupt partition table. Your instructions should be
followed once that problem is resolved.

> Then (this is on the advice of Sherwood Botsford) execute
> reboot -n
> He said:
> 'The -n is critical -- when you finish the fsck, the state of the
> disk and the state of the kernel image of the disk are NOT the same
> and the disk image is the right one. -n says, "Don't write out
> the kernel image of what the disk is..." '

As far as I can tell, this applies to every Unix system _except_ for
Linux. The reason is that other Unix systems provide "raw" and "block"
devices for the disk, and use the "raw" one to repair the disk. The
difference between the raw and block devices is that the block ones
cache disk blocks in memory, and the raw ones do not cache, but can be
faster to access for things like fsck. That meant that you could fix a
disk using the raw device, and a copy of the disk block in the memory
cache would be inconsistent with the one you had just fixed. Linux
_only_ provides block devices for the disks, there are no raw devices
for them at all. A second way in which Linix us different from older
Unix is that older Unix checked the root filesystem while it was
mounted for writing, and thus the in-kernel filesystem databases used
by mounted disks could be out of phase with the blocks that fsck wrote
to the raw device. Linux checks the root while it is mounted
read-only, and then re-mounts it, so this is not a problem. Don't ever
attempt to repair a disk that is mounted for writing.

	Bruce
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I made the same mistake that Joshua and Hakan made.  The READMEFIRST file
in /usr/doc/lilo gives two possible fixes:

 - In linux you can remove lilo from the master boot record with:
	lilo -U

 - In MSDOS you can remove lilo by:
	fdisk /mbr

The lilo -U fix did not work for me since I had already re-partitioned.
fdisk /mbr was successful.

Mike



On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Joshua Stockwell wrote:

>
> I had this exact same setup. Slackware on the slave disk and msdos on
> the other master disk. And I just recently upgraded to Debian and ran
> into the exact same problem. Silly me to forget to uninstall lilo
> first!  The reason your boot is hanging is that it is looking for the
> old lilo that doesnt't exist anymore. You need to re-install lilo.  If
> your lilo.conf is setup right just type "lilo" and it should re-write
> the MBR so you'll be able to boot normally. Lilo should be on your
> linux partition, not your dos partition. Good luck!
>
> 	- Josh Stockwell
>
>  Hakan wrote:
> >>> I have a 486 on which I untill recently had MSDos and Slackware installed on
> >>> two diffrent harddisks, with LILO installed in the master boot block of the
> >>> msdos harddisk allowing me to select between the two operating systems. This
> >>> worked just fine.
>
> >>> Now, I decided to convert into Debian (I just love it's package system), so I
> >>> through out the Slackware stuff and installed the three disks base system. I
> >>> had to install LILO by hand because the instalation package tried to install
> >>> it on the linx partion, which is the second partion on the secon harddisk
> >>> (/dev/hdb2). I placed it on (/dev/hda). Then I rebootet. Then insted of the
> >>> LILO text that is supposed to show up when LILO loads I only got "L" followd
> >>> by "04" repeated in what seemsed to infinity.
>
> >>> I have tried bothe my old Slackware lilo configuration file, the new created
> >>> by Debian. I have tried both the lilo version that came with Debian and the
> >>> old one used by Slackware. I have tried having both the MSDos hd and the Linux
> >>> HD as the first HD. And Gud knows what else, but the result is just the same.
> >>> What am I doing wrong?
>
> >>> I have temporarity solved the problem by using a MSDos boot disk with a menu
> >>> that allows me to either run the startup files from my HD after load MSDOS
> >>> from the floppy, or execute loadlin to load a linux kernerel from my msdos HD
> >>> and mount the root system. And this works acceptable. But it is not a decent
> >>> solution. And since LILO worked with Slackware, I see no reason for it not to
> >>> work with Debian. Any sugestions will be appricialed. Thanx.
>
>
>


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Sherwood Botsford <sherwood@space.ualberta.ca> writes:
> I agree that you can do this in the OS, but I don't think that it
> *should* be done in the OS.

Disks should serve filesystems, not raw blocks. There have been attempts
at this, but nobody's had a commercial success.

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Jens,

I suspect that LILO is still booting your old (slackware) kernel from the
hard disk. If you do "cat /proc/version", does it say 2.0.6 ? LILO is able
to boot files that have been removed, even after a new filesystem has been
created.

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Yes, it is in project/experimental on the FTP server. We'll put it in 1.2 .

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>As Jerzy Kakol said:
>> 
>> 
>> ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd?
>
>Perhaps a bit, but not too much. The passwords in /etc/passwd are encrypted
>through one-way DES encryption.  It's much easier to simply guess users'
>passwords, the majority of which are first-names or first-names followed
>by a number.
>
>> 
>> TIA.
>> 
>>     Jerzy Kakol
>> 
>--gilbert
>______________________________________________________________________
>Gilbert Ramirez Jr.                     gram@merece.uthscsa.edu
>University of Texas                     http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
>Health Science Center at San Antonio    University Health System
>

        Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is quite easy, even for those
with minimal computer knowledge.  With widely available programs like Crack
(UNIX), Crakerjack (DOS), and root_crack(DOS) anybody with a CPU >386 can
crack the DES encryption with a bit of time.

                                        Mike...


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Pablo Bianucci writes ("Non debian packages"):
...
>  3) Make an attempt to 'debianize' the packages, installing them under
> /usr/local with dpkg (my 'own debianization', in fact).

If you use dpkg it's perfectly acceptable to put the files in /usr,
rather than /usr/local.

Ian.


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I don't remember anyone responding to this.

Jimen Ching writes:
> 	I've just installed debian linux 1.1 from Iconnect.  I am working
> on a C++ project which depends heavily on the use of templates.  Thus, I
> would like to use the -frepo patch from Cygnus.  The installed gcc/g++
> doesn't seem to have been patched correctly.  At least the 'ld' is not
> working as described by Mumit Khan.  I.e. the patched 'ld' was supposed to
> do a recompile/relink process.  This was never done and I get lots of
> unresolved symbols.  Mumit Khan sent me some binaries about a year ago for
> the Slackware distribution I used back then.  I tried moving the files
> over to my current system, and things seem to work ok.  But I am getting
> another error message from the patched 'ld'.  This time, it says it can't
> find one of my header files.  I.e. the header file which contained my
> class definition could not be found.  This error is produced while in the
> recompile/relink phase (using Mumit's binaries).
> 
> Has anyone ever tried the -frepo feature?  It is actually patched in?
> Using the switch to g++ doesn't tell you anything since g++ ignores
> arguments it doesn't understand.  This feature is very important.  I can't
> continue my project without it.  Please help, thanks in advance...

No, Debian's gcc does not include the -frepo patch.  Unless their is
heavy demand for it by Debian users or H.J. Lu includes it in his
general Linux versions, I have no plans to add it.  Until that happens
you'll have to get the Debian source and patch it yourself.  It isn't
that hard.

David
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> I tried to use dpkg to install Netscape the _right_ way, and it expects
> a netscape 3.0b4 file to be in /tmp; here is what dpkg says when I try
> dpkg -i using the 1.1 cdrom:

You'll need to pick up the 3.0b6 version from ftp.debian.org.


> Anyway, I looked on the Netscape ftp archive last night and they now
> have 3.0b5, 3.0b6, and 3.0b7 _only_ on their site, not b4.
> 
> Dpkg specifically asks for the beta 4 binary; can I get away with using
> one of the newer binaries?  Do I need to tweak anything to get it to
> install using dpkg?

No.  You must use a newer installer package with the newer binaries.  You can
find the newer package as:

  ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/rex/binary-i386/net/netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb

                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

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> Anyway, I looked on the Netscape ftp archive last night and they now 
> have 3.0b5, 3.0b6, and 3.0b7 _only_ on their site, not b4.
> 
> Dpkg specifically asks for the beta 4 binary; can I get away with using
> one of the newer binaries?  Do I need to tweak anything to get it to
> install using dpkg?

There's a version of the netscape .deb (in unstable?) that uses beta6. 

(Actually, I installed beta 7 with it, despite all the warnings about not
doing that, and it's working with no problems.)

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I'm running Debian 1.1 with the kernel upgraded to 2.0.6. Everything has =
been working smooth until the last couple of days. Both yesterday and =
today, my pop3d stopped on me. There was nothing in the logs (that I =
could find) yesterday but in today's daemon.log I found

inetd[139]: pop-3/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated

My Linux box serves about 10 Windows PCs for e-mail, most are set to =
poll for mail every 10 minutes, so on average, pop3d gets a request once =
every minute. Every 30 minutes, my Linux box dials my ISP to popclient =
mail off their mail server into the Linux box accounts. I thought there =
may be a conflict between popclient and pop3d accessing users mailboxes =
but my logs showed that popclient wasn't running during the time of the =
failure and pop3d hadn't logged a request for 92 seconds.

Anyone know what the inetd daemon.log entry means or what may be causing =
it?=20

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Good point about RAID0.

I know linux's implementation of RAID0 is with the MD program. Do you 
know if that's fully functional, and if so, is there a Debian package for 
it? How is it used?

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Al Youngwerth wrote:

> Given equal drive parameters, the IO throughput (what matters for multi-tasking OSs) for a SCSI-2 system should be better than EIDE. Where SCSI really begins to shine in IO throughput is using disk block striping (RAID 0) using two or more SCSI disks. You can place 7 disks on a single SCSI bus and come no where near saturating the SCSI bus bandwidth with the random IOs that Linux generates. If one SCSI drive gives you 60 IOs/sec of throughput, seven of those drives gives you 420 IOs/sec of throughput. I only wish it was that easy to increase my CPU performance!
> 
> Al Youngwerth
> alberty@apexxtech.com
> 


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Hello,

I've been searching all over my system and ftp.debian.org and I
haven't found the kernel-package package.  I've got the Linux-2.0.12
source and I'd like to build a custom debian kernel image.

Anybody know where to find it?

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From: rahner@ipserss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Rahner)
> Users shouldn't have to recompile their kernels to get their PS/2 mice
> to work.

It's my fault. I built the generic kernel, and built in all of the modules
I could, and I missed the fact that if I put a "y" in this little square
box that I would then see a menu of mouse modules that I should have
included in the kernel. I really did not mean for you to have to recompile
the kernel to make your mouse work.

I built a new generic kernel and mouse modules two days ago. I will place 
this on a boot floppy and upload it as soon as I can. I've been very
busy - I'm sorry that I haven't had time to correct this sooner.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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Hi Matt!

From: Matthew Bailey <mbailey@cps.cmich.edu>
> One of the first things to remember is to use an Alpha numeric and special
> character password for root that usually fixes 99.99% of all hackers from
> gaining root access.

Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on this
list. "cracker" is more appropriate.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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As Mark Rahner said:
> Todd, I'm sure that you're the neatest computer guy on your block, but
> I think that you missed the original poster's point.  Users shouldn't
> have to recompile their kernels to get their PS/2 mice to work.  Such a
> requirement is enough to keep many potential Debian users from successfully
> making the leap from MSStuff to Debian.

I will unfortunately continue this thread with nothing but opinions. I
think that any person wanting to run Unix on their own computer should be
able to 1) download files, 2) uncompress and untar files, 3) type 'make
config', and the least 4) make a boot floppy. They don't even have to
understand LILO.

Making a new kernel is not that difficult.

--gilbert
______________________________________________________________________
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I'm using pine as my email program, and smail as the MTA. When I send an
email, pine appears to wait until smail either delivers the mail or gives
up and queues it. It displays:

			[Sending mail |  100%   |]

at the bottom of the screen, and doesn't allow you to do anything else. In
some cases (emailing hosts that there's currently no route to on the
network), I've had to wait as long as 5 minutes before smail gives up
and queues the mail. It's really annoying that pine can't send mail in the
background. 

While pine is stuck waiting for smail, I see these processes running:

[joey@kite] ~>ps -ax |grep sendmail
13292  p1 S    0:00 /usr/sbin/sendmail -bs -odb -oem 
13293  p1 S    0:00 /usr/sbin/sendmail -bs -odb -oem 
13296  p0 S    0:00 grep sendmail 

According to smail's documentation, -odb should deliver mail in the
background, however:

       -odb   Deliver  mail in background, if mail delivery is to
              be performed.  Background delivery is not currently
              supported in the SMTP modes; foreground delivery is
              used instead.

And of course, I am sending this mail via smtp :-(

Other programs, like elm and mail can send mail in the background with no
delay. I thought about maybe having smail just spool the mail, and then
deliver when mail's cron job runs smail, but my work requires a constant
stream of email, and that'd just slow things down to much :-(

Does anyone know of a solution, besides changing over to sendmail or not
using pine?

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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote:

>         Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is quite easy, even for those
> with minimal computer knowledge.  With widely available programs like Crack
> (UNIX), Crakerjack (DOS), and root_crack(DOS) anybody with a CPU >386 can
> crack the DES encryption with a bit of time.

Those programs you mention crack accounts file by guessing the actual
password, encrypting that with all the salts, and matching it to the
encrypted password.  Guesses of the password include permutations of
the user name, gecos, and a dictionary.  Unfortunately such attacks
often work.

Truly cracking a passwd file would take more than "a bit of time".  Or
maybe you're an extremely patient person.


Guy


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Again: Why is the broken installation disk not taken off ftp.debian.org? This
is a very ugly trap to run into as a newbie.

: This topic has been in the list lately. Until a new version of the
: kernel image package is available, you have two options.
: 
: 1) Recompile the kernel using the kernel-source package.
Which you probably cannot do unless you have installed the debian firstd.

: 2) Use my without-any-promises recompiled package which has a working
: nfs.o module in it. This package is in 
: 
:    ftp.mcc.ac.uk:/pub/linux/distributions
: 
: and is called 
: 
:    kernel-image-2.0.6-custom-1.0.i386.deb
Good! Shall I set up a webpage with current debian fixes?


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Hi,

> inetd[139]: pop-3/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated

> Anyone know what the inetd daemon.log entry means or what may be causing =
> it?=20

There is a limt of 40connections/minute in inetd. If you have more
connections in a minut inetd will disable the service for 10minutes for
loop-prevention. You can specify a higher limit for the servive with:


pop-3          stream  tcp     nowait.100  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.pop3d
                                     ^^^^

NOTE: since you wrote you wont get that many requests there is eighter an
error in the connection detection of inetd, or your pop3d isnt executed
everytime a connection is comming in (check hosts.* and the tcpd syslog).

Greetings
Bernd
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Hi,

Are there any spreadsheets packaged for Debian?

Also, how would I go about finding this information out for myself?
(I looked in /binary/misc and couldn't see anything likely.)

Thanks,

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are there any spreadsheets packaged for Debian?
>
> Also, how would I go about finding this information out for myself?
> (I looked in /binary/misc and couldn't see anything likely.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)
>
>
There used to be something called "Oleo" under math.

Mike


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> >From debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Tue Aug 13 16:44:48 1996
> Someone (sorry, lost name) wrote:
> > -- one never knows if/when PS/2 mouse is going to be available in a 
> >    downloaded kernel, whereas serial support is virtually always there.
> 
> Todd Fries (todd@miango.com) responded:
> > Oh give me a break.

> Users shouldn't have to recompile their kernels to get their PS/2 mice to
> work.

Fine.  Tell me your kernel version number and processor type and I'll have
ps/2 drivers targz'ed and uuencoded to you within a few hours.

> In my case, I used to select a module named psaux, and my PS/2 mouse
> worked fine.  Recently I upgraded to Debian 1.1, circa July 1st.  As far
> as I can tell, the psaux module is no longer an option.

Sounds like someone forgot something to me.  I haven't started using Debian
yet; I am going to make a gradual migration as I like to do everything on
my system so I understand what is going on.  Needless to say, I would never
trust a menu system to do things I should be doing myself anyway, but since
you seem to, you are considerably correct in saying that if a piece of code
is not in the kernel and it can be compiled as a module, I see no reason why
it cannot be optionally loaded and included with a distribution.  But that is
my personal opinion and in no way represents Debian.


> Coincidentally, my mouse no longer works (when I "startx", the system says
> "Fatal server error: Cannot open mouse (No such device)").
Duh.  No driver, no mouse support.  See above for a quick return.

> My situation is caused by one or more of the following:
> 
>   1.  I am doing something wrong.
If the option is not there guess not.
>   2.  There was a more serious problem with my OS upgrade.
Newer kernels replace older kernel modules.  Therefore upgrading should have
gotten you everything you needed, instead of removing something you had.
>   3.  Debian has a bug in its PS/2 mouse support.
I certainly can't determine this.
>   4.  Default support for PS/2 mice was intentionally removed.
Hopefully not.  My guess is an oversight/installation disk space concern.  I
recall some of the module tar files were reportedly bad; perhaps the mouse
got left out?  I am guessing here.

> Unfortunately, I haven't had time to look into this seriously so I'm
> still Debian-less.

Just because a system attempts to make things easier for you shouldn't mean
you ignore the details and rely on it exclusively without making any effort
at all to fix what is not working.

FYI, all you have to do is download the kernel source tree from one of many
kernel tree mirrors.  Say, ftp://linux.ucs.indiana.edu/linux/kernel/v2.0 is
a favorite of mine.  Grab linux-2.0.12.tar.gz.  Type 

   tar xvzf linux-2.0.12.tar.gz
   cd linux
   make menuconfig
    [ specify the processor type and make a module for non-serial mice and ps/2
     ]
   make modules
   (as root) make modules_install
   (as root) depmod -a
   (as root) modprobe psaux

Wow, you have ps2 mouse support.  Now wasn't that difficult?
      

> But I'm suffering from a massive case of disbelief that this default
> capability would intentionally be removed.
Whether it is or is not intentionally missing is a side issue.  You wish
to use your mouse.  One thing I have found to be true in life is that if it
needs to be done, and nothing is being done, do it yourself.  So if debian
isn't meeting your needs, in the several days you have been discussing this on
this list, you could have compiled your module several times over.  Not that
that justifies Debian in not having ps/2 support for you, but you do what
has to be done to get done what you want to get done.

> Thanks for your support,

Hope I've come across as trying to help.
--
Todd Fries .. todd@miango.com


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what is kernel-package?

>  Hello,
> 
> I've been searching all over my system and ftp.debian.org and I
> haven't found the kernel-package package.  I've got the Linux-2.0.12
> source and I'd like to build a custom debian kernel image.
> 
> Anybody know where to find it?
> 
> Thanks.
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> David M. Cooke                                   d.m.cooke@larc.nasa.gov
> 
> 


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I've just upgraded my web server and also switched from Slackware to Debian
Linux.  I must admit Debian is definitely a very impressive package.

There are problems even in a wonderful land, though.  I have only one
registered hostname (one IP address for this machine).  Is it possible for
me to leave the old server running on Slackware and setup a new web site on
the new system?  Does anybody know what is the best thing to do make this
migration possible?

Many thanks,
Lan Ha
SFSU Career Center



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This is an interesting issue. You might use similar justification for
leaving all but the essentials out of the distributed kernel. This would
encourage users to learn how to recompile the kernel, and demonstrate in
doing so that it's surprisingly simple.

On the other hand, new users might think, 'This kernel doesn't even
support mice [or whatever]. What a crummy kernel!'. Many are liable to
come to this conclusion on discovering that only serial mice are (have
been just recently) supported.

Since the project's maintainers have decided to compile in a fair range
of support in the distributed kernel, it's quite reasonable to expect
something as simple as support for a range of mice to be included.

The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
features, or pared down.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	gram@merece.uthscsa.edu[SMTP:gram@merece.uthscsa.edu]
>Sent: 	14 August 1996 22:51
>To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject: 	Re: How do I get GATEWAY2000 PS/2 mouse to work ?
>
>As Mark Rahner said:
>> Todd, I'm sure that you're the neatest computer guy on your block, but
>> I think that you missed the original poster's point.  Users shouldn't
>> have to recompile their kernels to get their PS/2 mice to work.  Such a
>> requirement is enough to keep many potential Debian users from successfully
>> making the leap from MSStuff to Debian.
>
>I will unfortunately continue this thread with nothing but opinions. I
>think that any person wanting to run Unix on their own computer should
>be
>able to 1) download files, 2) uncompress and untar files, 3) type 'make
>config', and the least 4) make a boot floppy. They don't even have to
>understand LILO.
>
>Making a new kernel is not that difficult.
>
>--gilbert
>______________________________________________________________________
>Gilbert Ramirez Jr.                     gram@merece.uthscsa.edu
>University of Texas                     http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
>Health Science Center at San Antonio    University Health System
>
>


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Guy Maor wrote:

>> Truly cracking a passwd file would take more than "a bit of time".  Or
>> Maybe you're an extremely patient person.

It may take a while in general, but poor maintenance and naive password
choice often leads to surprising results - besides, the increase in
low-cost high-power CPUs are narrowing the gap. The following excerpt
from 'How to improve the security of your site by breaking into it' by
Dan Farmer and Wietse Venema illustrates this point:

---begin
quote-----------------------------------------------------------
After receiving mail from a site that had been broken into from one of
our systems, an investigation was started.  In time, we found that the
intruder was working from a list of ".com" (commercial) sites, looking
for hosts with easy-to steal password files.  In this case,
"easy-to-steal" referred to sites with a guessable NIS domainname and an
accessible NIS server.  Not knowing how far the intruder had gotten, it
looked like a good idea to warn the sites that were in fact vulnerable
to password file theft.  Of the 656 hosts in the intruder's hit list, 24
had easy-to-steal password files -- about one in twenty-five hosts!  One
third of these files contained at least one password-less account with
an interactive shell.  With a grand total of 1594 password-file entries,
a ten-minute run of a publically-available password cracker (Crack)
revealed more than 50 passwords, using nothing but a low-end Sun
workstation.  Another 40 passwords were found within the next 20
minutes; and a root password was found in just over an hour. The result
after a few days of cracking: five root passwords found, 19 out of 24
password files (eighty percent) with at least one known password, and
259 of 1594 (one in six) passwords guessed.
---end
quote-------------------------------------------------------------

>Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Hi Net,

(thanks for the help with nfs.o)

here is the next problem:

I started dselect in order to install various packages after I had the base 
system running.

I reached the nfs server, selected gcc-2.7.2 amongst others, resolved the 
occasional conflict, and started install...

But the first package fails already:
(again quoted by heart)

  gcc-2.7.2-8 could not be installed (depends on binutils-2.6-2 which is 
  not installed)

  installation script returned error status...
  (abort|retry|ignore)

Needless to say, binutils *is* installed (at least it is selected for 
installation).

When I tried it once more I got the cryptic message:

  internal error at -e line 12 <P> chunk 16


advthanksance

Heiko

PS:
I am slowly approaching the point where I expect a
"general protection violation(TM)" from Debian.
I consider this a bad sign.
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> 
> what is kernel-package?

a bunch of script to make building your own kernel easier.

Erick


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Look at GNU oleo, it's in the MATH section.

Dominik


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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Nick Busigin wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
> 
> > Last night I installed kernel 2.0.12 and now I have sound!
> > Well, I can use auplay to play a .wav file anyway.  I have
> > no idea how to test the rest of my board's functionality.
> > Does anybody know of a digital audio package for Debian that
> > will let me record digital audio?  How about a MIDI package
> > that will let me at least play MIDI files?
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Take a look at the Linux Sound HOWTO document that can be found in
> comp.os.linux.answers as well as other places.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>                                      Nick
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nick Busigin                                                nick@xwing.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
Nick,

Yes, I read the HOWTO and found it very informative.  It
does not, however, discuss testing MIDI capabilities.  Nor
does it discuss testing full duplex digital capabilities.  I
did find two somewhat useful programs however.  Jazz is a
free midi program for X that seemed to be on the right track
(no pun intended).  This confirmed my midi capability was
working, although my card can use FM and WaveTable systhesis
and it sounded like FM.  I'll have to check into that
further.  There is another free sequencer type program for X
that I found confusing and not generally useful, but someone
else may.  It's called Rosegarden.

There's a reference URL at:

http://www.digiserve.com/ar/linux-snd/

This has many links to useful places for Linux sound!

One thing about that HOWTO, though.  I have a true MPU-401
capable card, so according to the HOWTO and the Readme.cards
in the kernel sources, I shouldn't have any problems
enabling this _and_ the audiotrix pro.  But the mpu-401
driver complains about a conflict.  Also, the 2.0.12 kernel
does not have these sound drivers available as modules!  I
think I'm going to recompile the kernel without the MPU-401
driver and see what happens.  I have a few other things to
do first, but I should get to this this weekend.  I may have
other news on MIDI/Sound stuff by then as well.  I'll gladly
share it with the list if it seems useful.

Thanks!

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet 
connections as root ?

The machine normally has no screen or keyboard - hence the 
need for telnet access !

Thanks in advance

David 

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     hey ...
     
     I would like to mount a filesystem from my crummy IBM RS6000 R20 onto 
     my massive 486-66 w 8 mb of ram.
     
     
     
     THE QUESTION - How big can a Debian ( and/or slakware) filesystem be??
     
                  - AND is that size limitation consistent with nfs mount   
                    points?
     ALSO:
     
                  - are there any nfs howtos that would be helpful to pick  
                    through?
     
                  - Where can I find docs about security tips for/with NFS?
     
     
     
     As a point of reference...
     
        AIX 3.2.5 can mount a file system of _ONLY_ 2 gig !!!
     
        AIX 4.1.4 can mount filesystems of 64 gig.
     
        AIX 4.2 - rumor has it 4.2 will work with 128 gig filesystems.
     
     
     
     
     mucho Thanxo in advance ...


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On Aug 14,  2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote:
: Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on
: this list. "cracker" is more appropriate.
>-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens

Seconded.  The term "hacker" originally referred to one who would
"hack" at [working] code to make it better, faster, cleaner, more fun,
etc.  The term has been badly misused in recent years, and for some has
taken on a new meaning.  Given the true meaning of the term, most of
the people on this list could be called "hacker".

Chris -)-----

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, David J. Evans wrote:

Hi Davis,

> I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
> administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
> as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
> root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet 
> connections as root ?

This is done intentionally since offering direct root access via telnet is
considered a security holw. 

You either could use your normal login accound and then su to root or you
could ENABLE the root access via telnet.

Lease have a look to /etc/securetty where all ttys are listed thru which
root login is allowed.

> The machine normally has no screen or keyboard - hence the 
> need for telnet access !

That's okay but personally I only allow root access thru the console and
su via my normal account.

Greetings,

Steffen
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Congrats on the super distribution guys -- I'm switching forever
from Solaris & Win95. They simply can't keep up with the blinding
speed at which the unix-linux-net community is developing.
The magic ingredient? Free software!!

Well, I have installed and set up Debian 1.1.5 via ftp with
no probs. There is a problem though with the dosemu package,
it seems to have been compiled on an old system, and can not
find an X shared library. In fact, the files within the package
are dated November 95. Can anyone help, or have I missed something?

Thanx :-)


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       David -=20

       You must add ttyp0 (assuming your the only person that wants to =
telnet to the box to the /etc/securetty file to allow root logins. If =
your not the only telnetter, you have to add ttyp0 -> ttyp12 or so, =
which should let you login as root even if 11 people are telnetting in =
already.

Eric

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I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to=20
administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection=20
as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give=20
root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet=20
connections as root ?

The machine normally has no screen or keyboard - hence the=20
need for telnet access !

Thanks in advance

David=20

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Congrats on the super distribution guys -- I'm switching forever
from Solaris & Win95. They simply can't keep up with the blinding
speed at which the unix-linux-net community is developing.
The magic ingredient? Free software!!

Well, I have installed and set up Debian 1.1.5 via ftp with
no probs. There is a problem though with the dosemu package,
it seems to have been compiled on an old system, and can not
find an X shared library. In fact, the files within the package
are dated November 95. Can anyone help, or have I missed something?

Thanx :-)


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> I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
> administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
> as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
> root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet 
> connections as root ?
> 
> The machine normally has no screen or keyboard - hence the 
> need for telnet access !
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> David 
> 
Try to never log in directly as root, because you can make mistakes, and
you don't know who performs the tasks. Log in as yourself and then use
su to gain root-privs.

Regards,

Andre Koopal


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Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:

> Good point about RAID0.
> 
> I know linux's implementation of RAID0 is with the MD program. Do you 
> know if that's fully functional, and if so, is there a Debian package for 
> it? How is it used?

I'm using it on two machines in the lab.  One has two identical
Quantum Fireballs, and the other has a Fireball and a Western Digital
Caveat (ahem Caviar).  On each machine most of the partitions are
striped, but at least one is not.  It works fine.

You need to compile a kernel with bultiple device/RAID0 support and
you need to install the debian mdutils package.  Then read the stuff
in /usr/doc/mdutils.  That's it.  The md package doesn't care if the
drives are the same type, or even on the same kind of bus.  That's the
advantage to a software implementation.  Granted I would expect
performance to be best when you have 2 identical drives on the same
kind of bus...

--
Rob


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I have become more or less convinced to switch to Debian 1.1
in the next large update of my system in the next weeks.

However, until now I have not yet found an answer on how to handle
all those non-standard packages like pgplot, wip, vile and
the hundreds of other tools which are not available as debian
packages but simply as tar.gz archives. To maintain a well
organized system I would like to install them with the
Debian package installation tools and not by hand or at least
to register them when being installed as debian packages.

To focus the problem: How do I convert tar.gz archives (when 
no installation scripts are needed) into debian packages?
How do I create a debian archive from installed files ?

Any help appreciated.

Best wishes -- Volker

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Quite true, but by all accounts crackers dislike the name. You won't
succeed without a majority adopting the new term, and I'm afraid that
involves the cooperation of the culprits themselves. Otherwise, I'm sure
this long-running debate would have concluded long ago.

I think we should just accept that we're stuck with the double meaning.
As with other ambiguous words, the context usually points to the true
meaning.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

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>From: 	Christopher R. Hertel[SMTP:crh@nts.umn.edu]
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>
>On Aug 14,  2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote:
>: Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on
>: this list. "cracker" is more appropriate.
>>-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens
>
>Seconded.  The term "hacker" originally referred to one who would
>"hack" at [working] code to make it better, faster, cleaner, more fun,
>etc.  The term has been badly misused in recent years, and for some has
>taken on a new meaning.  Given the true meaning of the term, most of
>the people on this list could be called "hacker".
>
>Chris -)-----
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>I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
>administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
>as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 


The way I handle this problem is log in under my account and type

        su root

Then it'll ask for the root password and bada-bing! You're root.

Hope this helps!
Tim


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Could someone please explain a little more about the linux software 
called squid? I read the homepage, but I still don't completely get
the picture.... What is it? 

I know it does some caching, but from what I read I really can't see 
what it's good for.. I know there's a use, I just don't understand
what it is. 

Thanks!

Tim 


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>>> On Aug 14,  2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote:
>>> : Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on
>>> : this list. "cracker" is more appropriate.
>>> >-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens


Christopher R. Hertel wrote:
>>> Seconded.  The term "hacker" originally referred to one who would
>>> "hack" at [working] code to make it better, faster, cleaner, more fun,
>>> etc.  The term has been badly misused in recent years, and for some has
>>> taken on a new meaning.  Given the true meaning of the term, most of
>>> the people on this list could be called "hacker".

To be quite honest, I think it has two meanings now. And it is nothing
very recent, "hacker" has been used to label computer criminals at
least for the last 12 years. Like many other english words, you just
have to keep in mind under what context it is being used and apply the
most appropriate definition. I personally would never want to be
called a hacker, because it has a third definition for me -- someone
who spends way too much time on their computer :)

	-Josh Stockwell


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, David J. Evans wrote:

> I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
> administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
> as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
> root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet 
> connections as root ?

I think it's a good idea not to let a privileged user log in (just in case
there is a security hole somewhere). 

You can always telnet in as a normal user and use 'su' in order to get
root privileges. Like this: 

**** BEGIN TELNET EXAMPLE ****
beta:~$ telnet rudi
Trying 141.14.130.66...
Connected to rudi.RZ-Berlin.MPG.DE.
Escape character is '^]'.

Linux 1.2.13 (rudi.RZ-Berlin.MPG.DE) (ttyp4)


rudi login: hok
Password: 
Last login: Thu Aug 15 09:57:28 from :0.0
Linux 1.2.13.

Endless Loop: n., see Loop, Endless.
Loop, Endless: n., see Endless Loop.
                -- Random Shack Data Processing Dictionary
Du bist mir doch der liebste, Heiko !
rudi:~$ su -
Password:

Welcome, your Highness!
rudi:~# 
**** END TELNET EXAMPLE ****

Heiko
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> I've just upgraded my web server and also switched from Slackware to Debian
> Linux.  I must admit Debian is definitely a very impressive package.
> 
> There are problems even in a wonderful land, though.  I have only one
> registered hostname (one IP address for this machine).  Is it possible for
> me to leave the old server running on Slackware and setup a new web site on
> the new system?  Does anybody know what is the best thing to do make this
> migration possible?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Lan Ha
> SFSU Career Center
> 
> 

Assuming you have two machines, one Slackware and one Debian.  The Slackware 
one
has a staticly assigned IP address from your ISP, and the Debian one is on a 
separate subnet which is not accessable from the Internet.  If you are using an
unassigned subnet, you should use one reserved for private use by the Internet
Assigned Numbers Authority (ie. 192.168.0.0).  You can set up masquerading on
the Slackware box so that the second PC can access the Internet.  To do this,
you need to compile masquerading support into the kernel, and use ipfwadm.

But you want to set up a new web site on the new system?  Accessable from the
internet?  Well I think you can also use masquerading to make it appear that
the web server that is really on the Debian box appear to be located at
port 80 on the Slackware box.  I have never tried this though, but it looks
technically feasible.  If you want to run two web-servers, one on each machine,
you could run one on a non-standard port.

Of course, if you already have the option of using another IP address, set the
Debian machine up on that, and set the DNS to point at it for www.____.com.

Hope this helps,

 - Jim






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David J. Evans writes:
> I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
> administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
> as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
> root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet 
> connections as root ?
> 
> The machine normally has no screen or keyboard - hence the 
> need for telnet access !
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 

As a general rule, root should only be used for the actual
administrating commands and not for things like reading email, news,
etc...  So, most people (that I know of) that administer from afar do
something like the following.  Each person that administrates (or just
you if you like) has a real account that they telnet to.  From that
account they su to root anytime they need to be superuser.  That means
someone must crack your password *and* root's password before they get
complete access to your system.  That is why root login is disabled
from telnet by default.  It is also a good idea to have mail to root
redirected to your real account so that root never has to read mail
either.

Good Luck,
Erv

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> I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to
> administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection
> as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give
> root privs. to a named user or can I enable telnet
> connections as root ?

Generally, it is better for people to login with their regular
id and then either do "su -" or use 'sudo' for privalidged work.
The reasoning behind this is that "root" is a known user and
thus more vulnerable to cracking attempts over the net.  By
forcing login with a regular userid, a cracker must first learn
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Heiko R. Selber wrote:
: 
: I started dselect in order to install various packages after I had the base 
: system running.
: 
: When I tried it once more I got the cryptic message:
: 
:   internal error at -e line 12 <P> chunk 16

Yes, I saw this too ...


My private solution: changed to the debian top level binary
(stable/binary) and called ``dpkg -iGROEB'', run this twice and most of
the conflicts were resolved ...



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Kari Davidsson writes:
> 	I was just installing again Latex, after some accidental purging
> of my old Latex setup. Among the things that I installed are:
> 
> 	latex		2e-7
> 	kpathsea	2.6-2	Path searching "tool".
> 	mfbasfnt	1.0-4	Tex default fonts.
>                     .
>                     .
> >(/usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/t1enc.stykpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM >dcr1200.tfm 
> >Running MakeTeXPK dcr1200.tfm
> >mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input dcr1200 \</dev/null
> >This is METAFONT, Version 2.71 (C version 6.1)
> >
> >kpathsea: Running MakeTeXMF dcr1200.mf 
> >! I can't find file `dcr1200.mf'.
> ><*> ...nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input dcr1200
> >                                                  

This is a well known problem with mfbasfnt. Please upgrade to version -5.
Note, that you have to install mfdcfnt, too, since the dc fonts are no
longer free.

That'll do it.

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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Joey Hess wrote:

> I'm using pine as my email program, and smail as the MTA. When I send an
> email, pine appears to wait until smail either delivers the mail or gives
> up and queues it. It displays:
> 
> 			[Sending mail |  100%   |]
> 
> at the bottom of the screen, and doesn't allow you to do anything else. In
> some cases (emailing hosts that there's currently no route to on the
> network), I've had to wait as long as 5 minutes before smail gives up
> and queues the mail. It's really annoying that pine can't send mail in the
> background. 
> 
> While pine is stuck waiting for smail, I see these processes running:
> 
> [joey@kite] ~>ps -ax |grep sendmail
> 13292  p1 S    0:00 /usr/sbin/sendmail -bs -odb -oem 
> 13293  p1 S    0:00 /usr/sbin/sendmail -bs -odb -oem 
> 13296  p0 S    0:00 grep sendmail 
> 
> According to smail's documentation, -odb should deliver mail in the
> background, however:
> 
>        -odb   Deliver  mail in background, if mail delivery is to
>               be performed.  Background delivery is not currently
>               supported in the SMTP modes; foreground delivery is
>               used instead.
> 
> And of course, I am sending this mail via smtp :-(

If you have configured pine with the address of your ISPs mail server
(rather than the local one) then the smtp doesn't become involved with
your local smail. I use pine with smtp and have no smail/sendmail
installed at all! The timeout on smtp is fairly long (I don't remember
exactly), so if there is no response from the target, you wait and wait.

If you already have smail, why use smtp? Just let smail deliver the mail.

> 
> Other programs, like elm and mail can send mail in the background with no

But elm doesn't do smtp.

> delay. I thought about maybe having smail just spool the mail, and then
> deliver when mail's cron job runs smail, but my work requires a constant
> stream of email, and that'd just slow things down to much :-(
> 
> Does anyone know of a solution, besides changing over to sendmail or not
> using pine?

Use pine without smtp and let smail deliver the mail.

Luck,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Heiko Schlittermann wrote:
> Heiko R. Selber wrote:
> : I started dselect in order to install various packages after I had the base 
> : system running.
> : 
> : When I tried it once more I got the cryptic message:
> : 
> :   internal error at -e line 12 <P> chunk 16
> 
> My private solution: changed to the debian top level binary
> (stable/binary) and called ``dpkg -iGROEB'', run this twice and most of
> the conflicts were resolved ...

Yes, "dpkg -iGROEB." (with a dot) worked.

I think this bug deserves a bug number.

>     Heiko
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>>Perhaps a bit, but not too much. The passwords in /etc/passwd are encrypted
>>through one-way DES encryption.  It's much easier to simply guess users'
>>passwords, the majority of which are first-names or first-names followed
>>by a number.
>>
>        Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is quite easy, even for those
>with minimal computer knowledge.  With widely available programs like Crack
>(UNIX), Crakerjack (DOS), and root_crack(DOS) anybody with a CPU >386 can
>crack the DES encryption with a bit of time.

My understanding of this situation (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is
that the crypt() routine used by passwd is a truly one-way hashing algorithm,
i.e. there simply is no way to go from an encrypted password back to the
original.  Actually, I seem to remember reading that the crypt routine uses
the password in combination with a "random" (based on time of day) string of
bits (called the "salt", can't remember the length, I think it was 12 bits, 
giving 4096 possible encryptions of any given string), and that it uses this
new salt+password as its key in encrypting a string of 0's. Given this, the 
only way to crack the passwords is to compile a dictionary of possible 
passwords, by taking all the likely strings to be used as passwords and 
encrypting each one 4096 times, once for each salt.  Once you have this 
dictionary made, it can be distributed to anyone to use as the foundation of
their crack attack, but if you wish to hack someone personally, i.e. by 
checking their first name, etc., you'll have to add these to the dictionary
(unless common names are also part of the original dictionary). And it should
be plain how anyone with reasonable password-selection skills can be pretty
much immune to this attack, e.g. by using non-word strings, by having 
punctuation, by varying the case of your characters, etc.  If the max passwd
length is 8 bytes, then at a quick estimate it seems that there are 
256^8 * 4096 different possible passwords...?

I think this is a fascinating subject, I hope I haven't gotten it too wrong.
Please reply with corrections.

Thanks,
Steve


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That's wonderful!

Now will Linux implement anything greater than RAID0? 
Would you say your performance is significantly increased with striping?

How many drives can be striped?

On 15 Aug 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:
> 
> > Good point about RAID0.
> > 
> > I know linux's implementation of RAID0 is with the MD program. Do you 
> > know if that's fully functional, and if so, is there a Debian package for 
> > it? How is it used?
> 
> I'm using it on two machines in the lab.  One has two identical
> Quantum Fireballs, and the other has a Fireball and a Western Digital
> Caveat (ahem Caviar).  On each machine most of the partitions are
> striped, but at least one is not.  It works fine.
> 
> You need to compile a kernel with bultiple device/RAID0 support and
> you need to install the debian mdutils package.  Then read the stuff
> in /usr/doc/mdutils.  That's it.  The md package doesn't care if the
> drives are the same type, or even on the same kind of bus.  That's the
> advantage to a software implementation.  Granted I would expect
> performance to be best when you have 2 identical drives on the same
> kind of bus...
> 
> --
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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Are there any spreadsheets packaged for Debian?

/math/oleo-1.6-6.deb is the GNU spreadsheet program.

> 
> Also, how would I go about finding this information out for myself?
> (I looked in /binary/misc and couldn't see anything likely.)
> 
Well, first I would have looked in math. If you have a packages file, you
can:

grep spreadsheet Packages

Adding a "-B 10" you get the other information about this package that
might be helpful.

Luck,

Dwarf

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pvo@rz.uni-jena.de (Volker Ossenkopf) writes:

> To maintain a well organized system I would like to install them
> with the Debian package installation tools and not by hand or at
> least to register them when being installed as debian packages.
>
> To focus the problem: How do I convert tar.gz archives (when 
> no installation scripts are needed) into debian packages?
> How do I create a debian archive from installed files ?

This is really not supported well, if at all.  You should probably
just install these things in /usr/local.  For the most part Debian
doesn't touch that dir.  It's specifically for this sort of thing.

Then, if there are really great things that you'd like to see as
debian packages, you might consider packaging them yourself, and
adding them to the distribution.

--
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> If you have configured pine with the address of your ISPs mail server
> (rather than the local one) then the smtp doesn't become involved with
> your local smail. I use pine with smtp and have no smail/sendmail
> installed at all! The timeout on smtp is fairly long (I don't remember
> exactly), so if there is no response from the target, you wait and wait.
> 
> If you already have smail, why use smtp? Just let smail deliver the mail.
..
> Use pine without smtp and let smail deliver the mail.

Thanks, that did it. I set pine to use my own host as the smtp server, and
have no more delays.

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Hi David --
You asked:

> I've been searching all over my system and ftp.debian.org and I
> haven't found the kernel-package package.  ...
> Anybody know where to find it?

kernel-package is in rex/binary-all/misc  or rex/binary-i386/misc at
any Debian FTP site.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Tim O'Brien wrote:

> >I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
> >administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
> >as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
> 
> 
> The way I handle this problem is log in under my account and type
> 
>         su root
> 
> Then it'll ask for the root password and bada-bing! You're root.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> Tim
> 

I use a program called "op" that works like "super".  Its
not quite as quick as "bada-bing" its more like "bada-bing
bada-boom" but there's much to be said about this mechanism.

It provides accountablility, more granular control over
rootly power, etc.

Bye ...

Richard G. Roberto
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Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:

> That's wonderful!
> 
> Now will Linux implement anything greater than RAID0? 
> Would you say your performance is significantly increased with striping?
> 
> How many drives can be striped?

That I don't know.  I'm not sure there's a (small) limit.  I didn't
find one in a cursory glance of the manpage for mdadd, or in a
similarly cursory look at the stuff in /usr/doc/mdutil.  md just
groups a number of physical disk partitions into one logical one,
/dev/md*.  Then you treat /dev/md* as the actual device, and you can
mkswap it, mke2fs it, whatever.  It doesn't state any limitations on
the number of partitions that can be added to a /dev/md*.  Note though
that with RAID0, you can't add more partitions after you have data on
an md device, and you have to create the device in exactly the same
fashion every time.  Normally this happens at boot from /dev/mdtab.

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I haven't used it myself, but I believe it is a cache for
surfing the WWW.  You give it a certain amount of disk
space (say 300MB), and you set Netscape to use it as a
proxy server.  So whenever you access a web page using
Netscape, it will pass the request to squid, and squid
will either serve up the page out of it's disk cache
(very fast), or if it doesn't have the latest version
of the document, fetch it from the internet.

For a single user, this probably doesn't do anything for
you that just increasing the cache size inside of Netscape
doesn't do.  But if you set up several users to use the
squid, then this can speed things up considerably, and
cut down on the amount of network traffic.  A proxy cache
also gives you more control over what is cached than
what Netscape provides.

Of course, there are drawbacks to using proxy caches --
the cache might cache something that it really shouldn't
(like the output from a CGI script), and you will not
be able to see the latest output.  Normally though,
this shouldn't happen.

How's that sound?

 - Jim


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

> This is an interesting issue. You might use similar justification for
> leaving all but the essentials out of the distributed kernel. This would
> encourage users to learn how to recompile the kernel, and demonstrate in
> doing so that it's surprisingly simple.
> 
> On the other hand, new users might think, 'This kernel doesn't even
> support mice [or whatever]. What a crummy kernel!'. Many are liable to
> come to this conclusion on discovering that only serial mice are (have
> been just recently) supported.
> 
> Since the project's maintainers have decided to compile in a fair range
> of support in the distributed kernel, it's quite reasonable to expect
> something as simple as support for a range of mice to be included.
> 
> The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
> features, or pared down.
> 

I would think off hand that it would make sense to add another tier to 
the install layering.

1'st tier. Floppy set.

2'nd tier. You have a system that will boot off the hard disk.  Note
This means that you need to include lilo on the boot floppy system.  
Much as I like debian, my experience with slackware was a lot more
transparent for getting through this stage.  At this point you are
booting with a minimal kernel.  Since you aren't working with mice
the kernel has no mouse support.  However to boot off the hard disk
the kernel must have hard disk support.  This probably means support
for numerous scsi cards too.

3'rd tier. Configure to specific hardware.  This is where you would
tell it what type of sound card, cd-rom, network card.  Some of this
can be done by autodetect scripts. At the end of this tier you should
have a system that can ftp, mount nfs, mount cd-roms. 

4'th tier. Add rest of basic package.  Note:  At present dselect
allows you to pick and choose too early I think.  The basic required
stuff should be done as an automated install.  At the end of this you
have a minimalist, but basic unix machine. 

5'th tier. Normal dselect, where you can pick out what you want.
One of the recommended packages would be kernel builder, which would
guide you through the steps to either select one of a standard set,
or help you to roll your own.


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Hi Ken!

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Ken Gaugler wrote:

> Dpkg specifically asks for the beta 4 binary; can I get away with using
> one of the newer binaries?  Do I need to tweak anything to get it to
> install using dpkg?

This is what I've done. I got the 3.0b7 binary from their site; then
grabbed the 3.0b6 installer (source form) from ftp.debian.org (under the
rex hierarchy) and slightly modified it to use the 3.0b7 package (I don't
remember exactly the modifications, they were slight).
Then it worked, and it didn't seem to break anything. I'll tell you when I
upgrade Netscape again! <g>
Bye & Good Luck!

Pablo B.



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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Ervin D. Walter wrote:

> David J. Evans writes:
> As a general rule, root should only be used for the actual
> administrating commands and not for things like reading email, news,
> etc...  So, most people (that I know of) that administer from afar do
> something like the following.  Each person that administrates (or just
> you if you like) has a real account that they telnet to.  From that
> account they su to root anytime they need to be superuser.  That means
> someone must crack your password *and* root's password before they get
> complete access to your system.  That is why root login is disabled
> from telnet by default.  It is also a good idea to have mail to root
> redirected to your real account so that root never has to read mail
> either.
> 
> Good Luck,
> Erv

The flip side of this is that you may prefer to create secure
root passwords, and put appropriate /.rhost entries on these
machines.  Otherwise your password is running across the net
for any packet sniffer to slurp.

Of course if your master machine is compromised, then so are the others.

IMHO the login is user then su isn't a viable method unless you are
aslo using some form of secure telnet, or one time keys, or kerberos.

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I've installed tin and suck as way to read newsgroups locally.
The problem is, i haven't figured out how to use tin to read the
newly downloaded articles. If someone is using the suck+tin 
combination for news, could you post here or e-mail me directly
on how to do it..
	Thanks.


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As Joshua Stockwell wrote:

> >>> On Aug 14,  2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >>> : Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean
> >>> : "computer criminal" on this list. "cracker" is more
> >>> : appropriate.
> >>> >-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens
> 
> 
> Christopher R. Hertel wrote:
> >>> Seconded.  The term "hacker" originally referred to one
> >>> who would "hack" at [working] code to make it better,
> >>> faster, cleaner, more fun, etc.  The term has been badly
> >>> misused in recent years, and for some has taken on a
> >>> new meaning.  Given the true meaning of the term, most
> >>> of the people on this list could be called "hacker".

> To be quite honest, I think it has two meanings now. And it
> is nothing very recent, "hacker" has been used to label
> computer criminals at least for the last 12 years. Like many
> other english words, you just have to keep in mind under
> what context it is being used and apply the most appropriate
> definition. I personally would never want to be called a
> hacker, because it has a third definition for me -- someone
> who spends way too much time on their computer :)

Actually, all the above meanings are Johnny-come-latelies.
The original meanings (there are several nuances) derive from
hack (n.), a contraction of hackney, which means a horse used
in common work.  Leading into meaning a carriage for hire,
operated by a hacker, this is also applied to motorized
taxicab operators (I know, I was one before I discovered
computers).  Thus, through personal experience, I can attest
that the other nuances -- hired out, trite or commonplace,
make common by overuse, someone hired to do monotonous
mindless drugery, a lackey -- all these meanings come from
that taken-for-granted nag.

So it was with great surprise that, over twenty years ago, I
encountered the new meaning of hacker, which is truely at
variance with the established conotation of the word.  I say
this new meaning should be given completely to the crackers,
especially since, thanks to the media, society has already
done so, as Joshua has pointed out.

Thus, I propose a new word be adopted to describe the clever
and benign inventor of quick technical fixes.  Rasher, from
"Shockwave Rider" usage, is a possible candidate, except
Brunner's rashers seemed to operate too much outside the
boundaries of ethics, delving into industrial espionage and
even sabotage, as I recall.  Ideas, anyone?


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> >        Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is quite easy, even for those
> >with minimal computer knowledge.  With widely available programs like Crack
> >(UNIX), Crakerjack (DOS), and root_crack(DOS) anybody with a CPU >386 can
> >crack the DES encryption with a bit of time.
> 
> My understanding of this situation (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is
> that the crypt() routine used by passwd is a truly one-way hashing algorithm,
> i.e. there simply is no way to go from an encrypted password back to the
> original.

Correct.

> Actually, I seem to remember reading that the crypt routine uses
> the password in combination with a "random" (based on time of day) string of
> bits (called the "salt", can't remember the length, I think it was 12 bits,
> giving 4096 possible encryptions of any given string), and that it uses this
> new salt+password as its key in encrypting a string of 0's. Given this, the
> only way to crack the passwords is to compile a dictionary of possible
> passwords, by taking all the likely strings to be used as passwords and
> encrypting each one 4096 times, once for each salt.

Because the same salt must be used on verification as on generation, the
salt is stored as the first two characters of the 13 character encrypted
password is thus easily obtained.  Without this, there would be no way
to verify a password other than trying it 4096 different ways.

> Once you have this
> dictionary made, it can be distributed to anyone to use as the foundation of
> their crack attack, but if you wish to hack someone personally, i.e. by
> checking their first name, etc., you'll have to add these to the dictionary
> (unless common names are also part of the original dictionary).

The "Crack" program automatically adds such words (obtained from user-info
and any readable files from the user's directory).

> And it should
> be plain how anyone with reasonable password-selection skills can be pretty
> much immune to this attack, e.g. by using non-word strings, by having
> punctuation, by varying the case of your characters, etc.  If the max passwd
> length is 8 bytes, then at a quick estimate it seems that there are
> 256^8 * 4096 different possible passwords...?

Right, but most people don't do this.  It's usually a word or some simple
permutation of a word.  Crack tries the with different cases, backwards, 
"1" instead of "i", "0" instead of "o", etc.

If a password were a random sequence of characters, they would be nearly
unbreakable, but then people would have to write them down somewhere and
that is an even bigger security risk in many ways.

                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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(Sorry to those who see this twice:  it looks like our local news
 server has all the "linux.*" groups marked as unmoderated.)

As near as I can tell from examining various FAQs, there is no support
for maintaining clients with a read-only, NFS-mounted "/usr"
partition.  The only current solution seems to be: (i) install a
complete system on the server and a base system on the client; 
(ii) remove the client "/usr" partition and mount the server "/usr" in
its place; (iii) configure the client's packages by hand.

Is anyone working on support for NFS-mounted "/usr" partitions (as
opposed to NFS-mounted installation)?  (I'm imagining support in
"dselect/dpkg" to check the server's package versions, update
non-"/usr" files, and perform needed configuration, possibly even
remotely.)

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Hi,

I seem to have a problem with exmh (or X). When I start exmh I get a string
of

BGRegister insecure server (must run old style xauth). Command ignored.

I think I understand what is happening: my X server is not generating
the ~/.Xauthority file needed to run secure and exmh complains. But I
haven't been able to fix this problem.

What do tou suggest?

Thanks,

	-giuseppe


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Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:

> Now will Linux implement anything greater than RAID0? 
> Would you say your performance is significantly increased with striping?

It also currently handles RAID1, and linear; higher levels have been
temporarily disabled because they are still too buggy.

I don't know about performance.  The machines certainly *seem* faster,
but I didn't do any real testing.  I would have done hdparm -t, but it
turned out it wouldn't work for md devices.

--
Rob


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David_Oswald@prenhall.com:
>      THE QUESTION - How big can a Debian ( and/or slakware) filesystem be??

The ext2 filesystem can be at least 2 terabytes, with files up to at least 2 
gigabytes. Other filesystems Linux support have lower limits.

>                   - AND is that size limitation consistent with nfs mount   
>                     points?

Don't know, sorry.

>                   - are there any nfs howtos that would be helpful to pick  
>                     through?

There is the NET-2-HOWTO, but don't forget the Network Administrators' Guide.
I think O'Reilly & Associates has a book on NFS, which is probably good
(ORA books tend to be better than average, even if not great).

>         AIX 3.2.5 can mount a file system of _ONLY_ 2 gig !!!

Hah! Linux 0.01 can only mount a filesystem of 64 megabytes!

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I don't know how many people noticed the post from Mark Balzern
<mark@wgs.com> of WorkGroup Solutions to c.o.l.a, regarding the letter
he received claiming that Linux is trademarked, and inviting him to
contact the owner of the trademark to discuss payment.

If you're like me, you more or less wrote it off as a just some crank
trying to scam someone.  I had a nasty feeling though, and after
getting my wife to do some research, it looks like it's very real, and
the name Linux is, according to the US (and possibly other) legal
system(s), someone else's property.

Please read my post to c.o.l.a. for a little more information.

Mike.
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I have been seeing something strange on my system. The autoloading of
the sound module works most of the time. The problem is with the CD
playing programs (cdplay from cdtool 1.0 or workman). They do not send
a request the sound module to kerneld. But they work if the module has
been loaded at some point in the past. In fact, they would continue to
work even if the sound module has been removed from the kernel!

--Derek Lee

Here is a more systematic account. 
There are several situations:
(A) after power-on boot
(B) (A) + 'insmod sound' + 'rmmod sound' 
		(so that lsmod does not show sound.o)
(C) Ctrl-Alt-Del or /sbin/reboot after (B)
		(ie reboot after I can get sound on all programs)
(D) Reboot by physical reset button after (B)

			cdplay/workman	sox utility
(A)&(D)
request sound.o		N		Y	
sound.o loaded		N		Y
Sound?			N		Y

NB: cdplayers do not abort even if no sound. They just spin the CD.
    There is no sound from either Line Out or Speaker socket.

(B)&(C)
request sound.o		N		Y	
sound.o loaded		N		Y
Sound?			Y		Y

An interpretation is: 
(1) cdplay/workman needs something physically initialized in the sound card. 
(2) cdplay/workman do not need the sound.o module after the initialization.
(3) This initialization is done by sound.o. 
(4) The initialized state of the card survives Ctrl-Alt-Del but not physical
    reset.

Possible solutions are:
(a) Load sound.o on bootup and be done with it.
(b) Perform 'insmod sound;rmmod sound' and 'rmmod' on bootup, so that
    things are initialized.


Here are some system specs from `kdstat` and `cat /dev/sndstat`:

kdstat: Version 2.0.0, pid=120, delay=60, nokeep, nodebug

Sound Driver:3.5.4-960630 (Sun Aug 11 02:40:45 EDT 1996 root,
Linux boson 2.0.0 #1 Fri Jun 14 00:48:45 EDT 1996 i586)   <---- what is this?
Kernel: Linux boson 2.0.12 #1 Sun Aug 11 02:43:29 EDT 1996 i586
Config options: a80002

Installed drivers: 
Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM
Type 2: Sound Blaster
Type 7: SB MPU-401

Card config: 
Sound Blaster at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1,5
SB MPU-401 at 0x330 irq 5 drq 0
OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388 drq 0

Audio devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16 (4.13)

Synth devices:
0: Yamaha OPL-3

Midi devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16

Timers:
0: System clock

Mixers:
0: Sound Blaster




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Hello!

Thanks to Susan Kleinmann for her response:

> > Problem: sound module insists on looking at IRQ 7 ("sb: Interrupt 
> > test on IRQ 7 failed - device disabled" or something like that).  
> > Need it to look at IRQ 5.
> No, you didn't miss anything.  I, too, wonder why the default IRQ for
> sound cards seems to be 7, especially since that's the defualt IRQ for
> the parallel port on PC clones.  I believe this ought to be fixed in
> the versions of the kernel-* packages that are distributed by the
> Debian project.

>>From reading another article in this list, I finally found out the
solution to the above problem!

The argument to pass to the sound module is sound=[thing].  The details
for [thing] is found at:
	http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.3

For eg., my sb-clone's on port 220, IRQ 5, DMA 1, and under the details
of that page, classifies as a type 2.  This would work:
	insmod sound sound=0x222051

--
  Eric Liu (eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca) [ENERGi http://www.ucalgary.ca/~eliu/]


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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:53:39 +0200 Giuseppe Vacanti 
(gv@deselby.xs4all.nl) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I seem to have a problem with exmh (or X). When I start exmh I get a string
> of
> 
> BGRegister insecure server (must run old style xauth). Command ignored.
> 
> I think I understand what is happening: my X server is not generating
> the ~/.Xauthority file needed to run secure and exmh complains. But I
> haven't been able to fix this problem.

The simplier way is to use xdm.
Alternately, you can create the cookie by yourself if you want to use startx. I've got a small program (20 lines of C) that generates such cookies. Email if you want it.

Phil.



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>On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Ken Gaugler wrote:
>
>> Dpkg specifically asks for the beta 4 binary; can I get away with using
>> one of the newer binaries?  Do I need to tweak anything to get it to
>> install using dpkg?
>
>This is what I've done. I got the 3.0b7 binary from their site; then
>grabbed the 3.0b6 installer (source form) from ftp.debian.org (under the
>rex hierarchy) and slightly modified it to use the 3.0b7 package (I don't
>remember exactly the modifications, they were slight).
>Then it worked, and it didn't seem to break anything. I'll tell you when I
>upgrade Netscape again! <g>

How does one make "slight modifications" to a debian package?  What is
a debian package?  Is it really just a gzipped, tarred file?  What are
the important components?

Thanks,

Mark.


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:22:38 +0200 (MET DST), Heiko R. Selber wrote:

>Hi Net,

Hello!

>  gcc-2.7.2-8 could not be installed (depends on binutils-2.6-2 which is 
>  not installed)

This is because binutils is not installed.  It needs to be installed
first, as there
are utilities in there that are used in the installation of gcc.

>Needless to say, binutils *is* installed (at least it is selected for 
>installation).

No.  It is selected for installation, but has not been installed,
because you
don't have it on your drive.

>When I tried it once more I got the cryptic message:
>
>  internal error at -e line 12 <P> chunk 16

This is because you told dselect where to go with its error, and now
it's
laughing at you, for being so stubborn. :)


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>On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Ken Gaugler wrote:
>
>> Dpkg specifically asks for the beta 4 binary; can I get away with using
>> one of the newer binaries?  Do I need to tweak anything to get it to
>> install using dpkg?
>
>This is what I've done. I got the 3.0b7 binary from their site; then
>grabbed the 3.0b6 installer (source form) from ftp.debian.org (under the
>rex hierarchy) and slightly modified it to use the 3.0b7 package (I don't
>remember exactly the modifications, they were slight).
>Then it worked, and it didn't seem to break anything. I'll tell you when I
>upgrade Netscape again! <g>

To give more details:

If you don't want to wait for the beta7 package to be distributed, then you
have to make the package yourself. (Since the official 3.0 release
is coming out next Monday, you might want to wait till next week and
do this to the official version.)

The procedure is:
(1) Get the source code for the netscape installer from 
    debian/rex/source/net/netscape_3.0-beta6-1.tar.gz
(2) Unpack it (with 'tar xvfz' for example). The source will end up
    in a directory called netscape-installer
(3) Go to the netscape-installer directory and edit the top of the 
    debian.rules file to :
	nsdist  := netscape-v30b7-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf
	classes := "java_30"
	plugins := ""
	package := netscape
	version := 3.0-beta7
	debian  := 1
	arch    := i386
(3a) There is a small typo in Line 113 of debian.postinst where '$netscape'
     has been mispelt as '$netcape$'. You can edit that as well.
(4) Put the .tar.gz file you downloaded from Netscape Corp in /tmp
(5) do 'make binary'; this is build the debian package and put it in 
    the directory which also as netscape-installer as the subdirectory.
(6) Now you can use dpkg on this .deb package.

If you messed up, then you might want to rebuild the package with
	debian  := 2
so that dpkg would automatically recognize it as an upgrade. to the 
messed-up version.

I should say that you should not use the beta4 source file from
stable/source/net directory. One reason is that beta4 had a plugin
library which is no longer distributed. You should in fact remove the
library (libnullplugin.so or something like that) from
/usr/lib/netscape/plugins if it is there.

Good luck!
Derek Lee





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I've written a few scripts to automatically connect to my ISP, which has 
several incoming lines. What I'd like to do is make these scripts so that
the user running them does not have to be root. I've tried changing the 
permissions to rwx__x__x, still owned by root, but it doesn't do the job.
I need to make this simply a command a user can run without them having
to know the root password.

Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I tried reading the man pages, but 
su (which I think is what I would need to use) is not exactly what I'd   
call well documented. 

Thanks,  

Tim O'Brien 

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tjobrien@tjobrien.traveller.com (Tim O'Brien) writes:

> Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I tried reading the man pages, but 
> su (which I think is what I would need to use) is not exactly what I'd   
> call well documented. 

su will only work if you want to give the users the root password (not
a good idea).  What you want is either the sudo package or the super
package.  I use sudo.  It lets you specify which users are allowed to
run which commands as root.  Then, to run the command, the user types

sudo some_command maybe with args

and sudo will ask them for *their* password, and if it's OK, run the
command for them as root.

"man sudo" has all the details.

--
Rob


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I have had a problem using ghostscript verisons 3.53 up through 4.00
in the standard distributions.  Specifically, when I try to use gs
with *any* device be it the console, X, or a printer, I get errors
like the following with the standard distribs and compiled versions:

Error: /limitcheck in --moveto--
Operand stack:
   1   0   0   0
Execution stack:
   %interp_exit   ()   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
--nostringval--   false   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
--nostringval--   --nostringval--
Dictionary stack:
   --dict:645/653--   --dict:0/20--   --dict:42/200--
--dict:117/250--
Current allocation mode is local
Current file position is 311980

Now, the wierd parts.  First, these errors don't occur every time, and
they don't occur in the same place every time.  Second, the exact save
.ps file sent through gs 2.whatever or gs >= 3.53 *compiled with
optimizations turned off* works perfectly.  This evidence leads me to
believe that there is nothing wrong with my postscript source (not
that I wrote it by hand.  I came straight from dvips.).  I have solved
the problem personally by downloading gs 4.00 and compiling it with no
gcc optimizations.  However, I have to install it in /usr/local/
because I didn't have a functioning debianized version.  This means I
either have to keep a broken gs 3.x or working gs 2.x installed in
/usr/bin or I have to deal with dependency problems because dpkg
doesn't know I have gs installed in /usr/local.

What I am looking for is one of the following (in order of
preference):

1.  A debianized gs 4.0 with the problem solved so that everything is
hunky dory (sp?).

2.  A debianized gs >= 3.x with the problem solved.

3.  A debianized version of gs 4.0 with optimizations turned off
(not the best choice).

4.  A debianized version of gs >= 3.x with optimizations turned off
(beggers can't be choosers).

If any of these can be mainstreamed, even better.

Please help me if you can?  I am willing to give you any more
information that you want.  

P.S.  I did try the recommended bug-search algorithm with gs 4.0 to no
avail.

Thanks,
Ervin Walter
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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Heiko R. Selber wrote:
> 
> > [ Problems with dselect ]

> > I am slowly approaching the point where I expect a
> > "general protection violation(TM)" from Debian.
> > I consider this a bad sign.

Sorry, I forgot to label this as 'funny'.

> Well, don't judge Debian by dselect. Dselect is the product of one mind
> and has, in my estimation, severe user interface problems.

I disagree. DO judge Debian by dselect. To the debian-newbie, dselect is
the first thing you see (thus, for the moment it IS Debian) and if it
doesn't do what it should, it will intimidate new users (maybe forever). 

But don't we all want to spread the REAL OS throughout the world?

I admit that an OS doesn't have to be foolproof, but there is no reason
that it shouldn't be user-friendly. Why not sit in front of your computer,
insert some disks, follow some instructions and end up with Linux running? 
(Yes, I know that Debian has come quite close to this, but IMHO not close
enough). 

> You can use dpkg at the prompt. Just cd to the directory with the package
> you wish to install and type: 
> dpkg -i packagename*.deb
> Let me know if this releaves your frustration ;-)

Yes, thanks, I feel much better now. Only that I prefer not having to work
around bugs (most of the time :o)

Heiko
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Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> Try installing the xcompat package. It probably has the a.out library
> dosemu is looking for.
> 
> Luck,
> 
> Dwarf
> 
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Thanx for the info, I should have thought of it myself.
However, I can't get dosemu to boot with the -A switch, and
can't therefore install it. It always crashes giving me:
ERROR: can't get floppy parameter in /dev/fd0.

My floppy drive usually works, and the boot disk is fine.
Whats up??

Thanks for your time...


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>>> If the max passwd
>>> length is 8 bytes, then at a quick estimate it seems that there are
>>> 256^8 * 4096 different possible passwords...?
>
Fewer than that. The range of ASCII characters used in passwords is
quite small: perhaps ~= 110, optimisticly taking into account control
characters and punctuation marks. Then, many people don't use the full 8
characters, so we have to reduce the _average_ number again. I'd
>tentatively suggest 6 characters.
>
>> If a password were a random sequence of characters, they would be nearly
>> unbreakable, but then people would have to write them down somewhere and
>> that is an even bigger security risk in many ways.

Perhaps, but I get by with random characters for some of my passwords.
It's tough to remember them, but you can't beat 'em. To invent them, I
type in strings of random characters until find one that feels
comfortable to type, and that's the one I learn.

>
>>                                       Brian
>>                              ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>-------
>>   In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.
>
Good point.

>Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Hi there's some information I got from CERT this morning !

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                             INFORMATION BULLETIN

              Linux Vulnerabilities in mount and umount Programs

August 15, 1996 16:00 GMT                                          Number G-38
______________________________________________________________________________
PROBLEM:       A security hole has been identified in the mount and umount
               programs.
PLATFORM:      All systems running current distributions of Linux including
               all versions of Red Hat Linux.
DAMAGE:        This vulnerability may allow any user with an account
               on a system to obtain root access.
SOLUTION:      Read and implement the workaround and/or patches described
               below.
______________________________________________________________________________
VULNERABILITY  This vulnerability is becoming widely known. CIAC recommends
ASSESSMENT:    implementing the workaround and/or patches as soon as possible.
______________________________________________________________________________

The mount and umount programs are normally installed with setUID root to
allow users to perform mount and unmount operations. However, they do not
check the length of the information being passed, thereby creating a buffer
overflow problem.

******************************************************************************
Operating Systems Tested: All current distributions of Linux
******************************************************************************

Effect: Local users on systems affected can gain overflow mounts syntax
buffer and execute a shell by overwriting the stack.

Effected binaries:
(/bin/mount and /bin/umount)

Workaround:
On all current distributions of Linux remove suid bit of /bin/mount and
/bin/umount.
[chmod -s /bin/mount; chmod -s /bin/umount]
******************************************************************************

******************************************************************************
Operating Systems Tested: All versions of Red Hat Linux
******************************************************************************

Users of versions of Red Hat less than 3.0.3 are advised to upgrade to
3.0.3, since many other problems are fixed in the upgrade.

If you are running:
* Red Hat Linux 3.0.3 (Picasso) on the Intel architecture, get
        - ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/redhat-3.0.3/i386/updates/RPMS/
                util-linux-2.5-11fix.i386.rpm
                mount-2.5k-1.i386.rpm
And install them in that order using 'rpm -Uvh [rpm filename]'

* Red Hat Linux 3.0.3 (Picasso) on the Alpha architecture, get
        - ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/redhat-3.0.3/axp/updates/RPMS/
                util-linux-2.5-11fix.axp.rpm
                mount-2.5k-1.axp.rpm
And install them in that order using 'rpm -Uvh [rpm filename]'

* Red Hat Linux 3.0.4 (Rembrandt) beta on the Intel, get
        - ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/rembrandt/i386/updates/RPMS/
                mount-2.5k-2.i386.rpm

* Red Hat Linux 3.0.4 (Rembrandt) beta on the Sparc, get
        - ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/rembrandt/sparc/updates/RPMS/
                mount-2.5k-2.sparc.rpm

[Aside: There is no difference between mount-2.5k-1 and -2 except
the package format.]

All RPMs are PGP-signed with the redhat@redhat.com key.
The source RPMs will be available in the normal locations.

MD5SUM's:
ad9b0628b6af9957d7b5eb720bbe632b  mount-2.5k-1.axp.rpm
12cb19ec4b3060f8d1cedff77bda7c05  util-linux-2.5-11fix.axp.rpm

26506a3c0066b8954d80deff152e0229  mount-2.5k-1.i386.rpm
f48c6bf901dd5d2c476657d6b75b12a5  util-linux-2.5-11fix.i386.rpm

7337f8796318f3b13f2dccb4a8f10b1a  mount-2.5k-2.i386.rpm
e68ff642a7536f3be4da83eedc14dd76  mount-2.5k-2.sparc.rpm

Thanks to Bloodmask, Vio, and others on the BugTraq list for discovering
this hole and providing patches.
******************************************************************************


_______________________________________________________________________________

CIAC wishes to acknowledge the contributions of Bloodmask, Vio, Elliot Lee at
Red Hat, and others on BugTraq for the information contained in this bulletin.
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>> Thus, I propose a new word be adopted to describe the clever
>> and benign inventor of quick technical fixes.  Rasher, from
>> "Shockwave Rider" usage, is a possible candidate, except
>> Brunner's rashers seemed to operate too much outside the
>> boundaries of ethics, delving into industrial espionage and
>> even sabotage, as I recall.  Ideas, anyone?
>
Good word, but it tends to make me think of bacon. Just like crackers
suggest cheese. It also suggests poor-quality fixes - rash ones.

I've read a very good argument for 'spider' as a candidate. There are
many parallels to be drawn between the behaviour of spiders and, er,
those other people. However, I go back to my earlier point that you'll
very likely fail to introduce a new word without the cooperation of the
(great many) people you're labelling. You also need a really good word
for it to stick, and I'm afraid hacker is a damned good word.

>Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Has anyone done a package of the bsd games collection?
I'm missing hangman since upgrading from slackware ;-)



thanks,
hamish


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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote:

> > I think that you missed the original poster's point.  Users shouldn't
> > have to recompile their kernels to get their PS/2 mice to work.  Such a
> 
> I will unfortunately continue this thread with nothing but opinions. I
> think that any person wanting to run Unix on their own computer should be
> able to 1) download files, 2) uncompress and untar files, 3) type 'make
> config', and the least 4) make a boot floppy. They don't even have to
> understand LILO.
> 
> Making a new kernel is not that difficult.

1) and 2) are a big problem if like me you only set up the machines with
very small linux partitions. I've been setting up several student PCs here
with Debian for use just as X terminals, which only have small hard disks,
and still need DOS & windows. 

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Ervin D. Walter wrote:

> I have had a problem using ghostscript verisons 3.53 up through 4.00
> in the standard distributions.  Specifically, when I try to use gs
> with *any* device be it the console, X, or a printer, I get errors
> like the following with the standard distribs and compiled versions:
> 
> Error: /limitcheck in --moveto--
> Operand stack:
>    1   0   0   0
> Execution stack:
>    %interp_exit   ()   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
> --nostringval--   false   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
> --nostringval--   --nostringval--
> Dictionary stack:
>    --dict:645/653--   --dict:0/20--   --dict:42/200--
> --dict:117/250--
> Current allocation mode is local
> Current file position is 311980
> 
> Now, the wierd parts.  First, these errors don't occur every time, and
> they don't occur in the same place every time.  Second, the exact save
> .ps file sent through gs 2.whatever or gs >= 3.53 *compiled with
> optimizations turned off* works perfectly.  This evidence leads me to
> believe that there is nothing wrong with my postscript source (not
> that I wrote it by hand.  I came straight from dvips.).  I have solved
> the problem personally by downloading gs 4.00 and compiling it with no
> gcc optimizations.  However, I have to install it in /usr/local/
> because I didn't have a functioning debianized version.  This means I
> either have to keep a broken gs 3.x or working gs 2.x installed in

TeXtpert I'm not, but; [ This is only a guess ]

Turning off the optimizations and getting _any_ kind of
different end results, except for a speed or size difference
should probably be considered a bug in gcc.

That having been said, you do know there are two different "gs"
interpreters?  gs is an Alladin product, donated to GNU
(accord. to the Printing HOWTO).  As such, the GNU version is
just an older Alladin version, presumably the newer Alladin
version has more features, and different bugs.

So if you have source from one and a binary from the other, you
may be hunting bugs that are no longer with us...

> P.S.  I did try the recommended bug-search algorithm with gs 4.0 to no
> avail.

? ... you mean trying to find the "bad patch?" by walking thru
the versions?

> Thanks,
> Ervin Walter
> edwalter@usa.net
> 
> -- 
>                                   ,,,
>                                  (o o)
> -----------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo-----------------------------
> Different all twisty a of in                         - edwalter@usa.net
> maze are you, passages little.              - edwalter@msn.fullfeed.com
> 
> PGP Key fingerprint =  A5 AB 25 7D 7A FD 4D FE  BE 21 47 60 0C DC 67 9E
> 
> 
> 

__kmb203@psu.edu_______________Debian/GNU__1.1___Linux__2.0.12___
Programming is always harder than doing the same task manually.
It's hard because you must completely understand the problem,
take everything into consideration, and protect against every
possible flaw.  Then you never have to do it manually again. 
The great driving force behind programming is the fervent
devotion to laziness:  you wage a war to save typing later.


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Hello,

a few days ago I described some problems I had when I installed Debain-1.1.4...

The problem I had was indeed that lilo booted my old 1.2.13-Kernel.

I just learned that lilo's image-field specifies the Kernel-Image relative to
the current root-Directory and not (as I thought) relative to the root-Directory
of the filesystem specified with the root-field. 

Just another case of rtfm :-)

Thanks to all who tried to help me.

Jens Peter.


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:28:57 +0200 (MET DST)
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> > [...]
> > 3.53 *compiled with
> > optimizations turned off* works perfectly.  This evidence leads me to
> > believe that there is nothing wrong with my postscript source (not
> > that I wrote it by hand.  I came straight from dvips.).  I have solved
> > the problem personally by downloading gs 4.00 and compiling it with no
> > gcc optimizations.  However, I have to install it in /usr/local/
> > because I didn't have a functioning debianized version.  This means I
> > either have to keep a broken gs 3.x or working gs 2.x installed in
> 
> TeXtpert I'm not, but; [ This is only a guess ]
> 
> Turning off the optimizations and getting _any_ kind of
> different end results, except for a speed or size difference
> should probably be considered a bug in gcc.

Or some other flaky stuff: My Cirix 486 used to play that trick
with me with gs-2.61. Also, I've seen programmes that compare
doubles: the result depends on the optimisation, as without optimisation,
all compares are done at "double" precision, but with optimisation,
sometimes the doubles are still in the FPU, and then the compare
happens at "extended" (80 bits) precision. Not a gcc bug.

> That having been said, you do know there are two different "gs"
> interpreters?  gs is an Alladin product, donated to GNU
> (accord. to the Printing HOWTO).  As such, the GNU version is
> just an older Alladin version, presumably the newer Alladin
> version has more features, and different bugs.
> So if you have source from one and a binary from the other, you
> may be hunting bugs that are no longer with us...

The latest GNU version is (AFAIK) 3.33. As his problems are
with gs 3.53 and up, he can only be using Alladin version.

-- 
joost witteveen
            joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl
          joostje@debian.org
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In article <199608160928.TAA22022@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> Hamish Moffatt <moffatt@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> writes:

> Has anyone done a package of the bsd games collection?
> I'm missing hangman since upgrading from slackware ;-)

Some of them (e.g. fortune) are available as extra packages. But a
package for all the small BSD games would be nice ;-)

	Sven
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Someone (I know you will) correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the CD
simply send audio directly to the sound card, rather than via a device
file?

This would not require a sound module, or kernel support for sound, to
be present. It would also suggest your problem lies in the card's
initialisation.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	Derek Lee[SMTP:dkklee@mit.edu]
>Sent: 	16 August 1996 01:36
>To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org
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>Subject: 	cdplay & sound.o autoloading
>
>I have been seeing something strange on my system. The autoloading of
>the sound module works most of the time. The problem is with the CD
>playing programs (cdplay from cdtool 1.0 or workman). They do not send
>a request the sound module to kerneld. But they work if the module has
>been loaded at some point in the past. In fact, they would continue to
>work even if the sound module has been removed from the kernel!
>
>--Derek Lee
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:17:37 +0200
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>>>>> Hamish Moffatt writes:

> Has anyone done a package of the bsd games collection?  I'm missing
> hangman since upgrading from slackware ;-)

I did consider it, but the linux-ports are way to old and use
/etc/termcap instead of /usr/lib/terminfo (yes, i know that ncurses
has an emulation).  Unfortunately the newer NetBSD sources are
incompatible with the Linux BSD emulation, so that this means a lot of
work.  I am currently working on a port of the latest csh sources and
if i get my new bsd44compat library running i might have a shot at
bsdgames (i'd love to play sail and wumpus on debian!)

Dominik


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Hi, everyone.
        I recently installed a Debian 1.1 system with the 2.0.6 kernel.  I
couldn't have asked for a smoother install from a Windoze package, so
kudos to the development team!  Had one glitch with Majordomo 1.93,
but that's another e-mail sometime :)  Now, onto the real problem....
        I am having problems accessing data (ie. mail, web, etc.) on the
Debian host from Mac/FreePPP and Win95 PPP clients of my preexisting 
(prehistoric?) Slakware 1.2.8 host.  Win31/Trumpet clients work just fine
(MTU576/MSS536).  For example, I can establish PPP from a Win95 client 
into the Slakware box, TELNET into the Debian box, type 'ls /tmp', and get a 
file listing (not much stuff).  However, if I transfer more data (ie.'ls
/etc' or 
'w'), the output hangs.  I cannot retrieve web pages from the Slakware 
server.  Anything that appears to transfer much data back to the PPP client 
(through the Debian host) hangs.  All this *seems* to work fine going the 
other way (PPP to Slakware then access Debian), but I haven't tested 
enough to be sure (at 2am things get fuzzy).  I suspect a MTU/MSS 
problem.
        The only odd thing I can see is a difference in the maximum segment 
size on the Debian host from the Slakware.  Slakware shows MTU of 576
and MSS of 512 for PPP devices, where Debian shows 576 for both.  Same
for the ethernet device (1500MTU on both, 1436MSS on Slakware and
1500MSS on Debian).  I used ifconfig to change the MSS on the eth0
device on Debian (didn't know how to do the same on PPP devices) and
recompiled the kernel to disable MTU path disocovery to no avail.  I'm at
a loss, and hope someone on this list has already come across this.  I can
send any configs or test results necessary to diagnosis.  I'd sure appreciate
any insight out there on this!
                                                                        Than
k you,
                                                                        Mark
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What you need here is to set the setuid bit. Run this command as root:

   chmod +s filename

Then when you run ls filename you should see something like:

   rws--s--x  1  root      root         4304 Aug 16 13:51 filename

Now when a normal user runs the command, it executes as root. Be careful
with this ability!

Another point of interest: in /etc/fstab you can specify an option of
'nosuid' on a mount point. This prevents setuid programs from running on
the specified filesystem.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

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>From:
>	tjobrien@tjobrien.traveller.com[SMTP:tjobrien@tjobrien.traveller.com]
>Sent: 	16 August 1996 04:49
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>Subject: 	How do I allow users to run a single command as root? 
>
>I've written a few scripts to automatically connect to my ISP, which
>has 
>several incoming lines. What I'd like to do is make these scripts so
>that
>the user running them does not have to be root. I've tried changing the
>
>permissions to rwx__x__x, still owned by root, but it doesn't do the
>job.
>I need to make this simply a command a user can run without them having
>to know the root password.
>
>Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I tried reading the man pages, but
>
>su (which I think is what I would need to use) is not exactly what I'd 
> 
>call well documented. 
>
>Thanks,  
>
>Tim O'Brien 
>
>E-mail: tjobrien@traveller.com
>	
>
>


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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> Thanx for the info, I should have thought of it myself.
> However, I can't get dosemu to boot with the -A switch, and
> can't therefore install it. It always crashes giving me:
> ERROR: can't get floppy parameter in /dev/fd0.
> 
> My floppy drive usually works, and the boot disk is fine.
> Whats up??
> 
I remember seeing this discussed on the list, but I don't remember the
specifics. It has to do with making a copy of your boot disk on the hard
disk and then booting from that. You might check out the HOWTO for
details.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Hi World,

I wrote earlier about the system crashes I was experiencing.
These often happen when using X and several times when pushing
the same button in mailtool.

However, it seems the above is unrelated, for I've been 
keeping an eye on top recently and it shows the system
runs out of memory quite dramatically.

My 16 MB swap partition fills up within a day and presumably
halts the computer (when using X).  Recently I've had to resort
to using non-x applications, and since the last reboot I may not
even have started X.  However the swap is full, and its only been
2 days. (using irc, zless, elm, lynx, vi)

Of course I could increase the size of my swap partition (inconvenient)
but I don't think this is the solution.  There must be something
else going on.  (with linux 1.2.13 on this 8MB machine, I could
leave it running for days on end without ever exiting X, and had
uptimes of around 5 months).

However, with debian I've started using NIS, mostly in order to 
be able to keep my home dirs in sync easily.  Sometimes 
sendmail shows up as using a lot of memory resources, and xterms
have been known to use 10% memory or more !!!

At the moment though, no one process seems to use much in the way
of resources, but top reports that there is only a measly 180 K
left.  In swap.  !!!

I tried to de-install sendmail, but dselect would have none of it
due to dependency problems.  dpkg, might accept the deinstall using
the force options but I haven't dared yet.  I don't need sendmail
since /var/spool/mail is nfs mounted from a server onto my machine.

And if NIS could be causing all of this havoc, I don't mind doing
without it either.

BTW:  my machine runs much slower now than under slackware 2-2.
and its never been fast due to the 8MB memory limitation.

These probs may all be unrelated to each other, but then again
maybe not. If there is any info I should be supplying which I
haven't, I'm sorry.  But the problem seems rather abstract ...

Thanks for your attention,
jay


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:04:04 +0100 Casper BodenCummins 
<bodec@Sherwood.co.uk> wrote:

[snipped stuff about PS/2 support not being present by 
default ....]

> The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
> features, or pared down.

As a brand new Debian user who didn't even know how to 
spell Colonel until recently, and who has been caught out 
by the lack of PS/2 support, I'd vote for a large 
"everything and the kitchen sink" kernel to cover most 
eventualities.  This will give heart to new-users and 
upgraders, and can trimmed and tweaked by the gurus.

And thank you to all who responded with my "newbie" 
question about telnetting in as root to a box without a 
screen or keyboard - su and /etc/securetty were all new to 
me.

David

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As Ben McKeegan said:
> 
> On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote:
> > 
> > I will unfortunately continue this thread with nothing but opinions. I
> > think that any person wanting to run Unix on their own computer should be
> > able to 1) download files, 2) uncompress and untar files, 3) type 'make
> > config', and the least 4) make a boot floppy. They don't even have to
> > understand LILO.
> > 
> 1) and 2) are a big problem if like me you only set up the machines with
> very small linux partitions. I've been setting up several student PCs here
> with Debian for use just as X terminals, which only have small hard disks,
> and still need DOS & windows. 

True. Also, after I posted the above, I realized that #1 above may be *very*
difficult, judging from the amount of troubles people have had with pppd
and chat.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ben McKeegan                                              

--gilbert

______________________________________________________________________
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Hi again,

In addition to previous mail, would like to add that
I've started receiving messages like this too:
(hope someone knows what it means and that its relevant ...)

Regards,
jay


Aug 16 16:11:31 named[145]: NSTATS 840208291 840075082 A=102 PTR=2 MX=3
ANY=3
Aug 16 16:11:31 named[145]: XSTATS 840208291 840075082 RQ=110 RR=44
RIQ=0 RNXD=1 RFwdQ=37 RFwdR=30 RDupQ=0 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=0
RTCP=0 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=38 SAns=73 SFwdQ=37 SFwdR=30
SDupQ=0 SFail=43 SFErr=0 SErr=0 RNotNsQ=110 SNaAns=72 SNXD=1


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Hi Ervin --

You said:
> I have had a problem using ghostscript verisons 3.53 up through 4.00
> in the standard distributions.  
...
> I have solved the problem personally by downloading gs 4.00 and 
> compiling it with no gcc optimizations.  However, I have to install 
> it in /usr/local/ because I didn't have a functioning debianized version.  
> This means I either have to keep a broken gs 3.x or working gs 2.x 
> installed in /usr/bin or I have to deal with dependency problems because 
> dpkg doesn't know I have gs installed in /usr/local.
> 

I think dpkg has a mechanism for getting around this, but I've never
tried it, so beware of the following advice.

The program I think you need is called dpkg-divert.
Documentation is provided by invoking it with the --help option, and also
in the file /usr/doc/dpkg/programmer.html/ch-diversions.html (I'm referring
to dpkg version 1.3.5).  The 1.2 versions of dpkg had a file called 
/usr/doc/dpkg/diversions.text.

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Susan Kleinmann


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Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk> writes:

> Fewer than that. The range of ASCII characters used in passwords is
> quite small: perhaps ~= 110, optimisticly taking into account control
> characters and punctuation marks. Then, many people don't use the full 8
> characters, so we have to reduce the _average_ number again. I'd
> >tentatively suggest 6 characters.

It's too bad we can't support longer passwords.  Not only are longer
ones easier to remember sometimes, but they are harder to break.
Something along the lines of the PGP passphrase.

I'm sure there's some historical, or backward compatibility reason why
we can't...

--
Rob


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I can now print to my HP LaserJet 4M Plus over ethertalk, but will print 
out an infinite amount of copies until either I delete the files in the 
spool directory or I turn off the printer.  When I print just using pap, 
it prints only one copy just like it should.  However with my lpr -> psf 
-> pap, there seems to be something that screws it up, and causes it to 
print many copies.  Is this a bug in lpr or psf that is known.  Or did I 
mess up with this printcap file

LaserJet 4M Plus|hplj4m|lp|LaserJet4MP|jetdirect1:\
        :lp=/dev/null:\
        :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj4m:\
        :af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
        :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\
        :if=/usr/lib/atalk/filters/ifwmpap:\
        :of=/usr/lib/atalk/filters/ofwmpap:\
        :mx#0:

Thanks

Shaya
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As Casper BodenCummins said:
  
>  Someone (I know you will) correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the CD
>  simply send audio directly to the sound card, rather than via a device
>  file?
>  
>  This would not require a sound module, or kernel support for sound, to
>  be present. It would also suggest your problem lies in the card's
>  initialisation.
>  
>  Casper Boden-Cummins.
 

You are correct. That's what the little cable (with 4 wires, I believe) is
for. The audio data doesn't go through the CPU.

--gilbert
______________________________________________________________________
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I have tried 
  make xconfig
to generate a new config file for the kernel but it gives an error
   wish not found
Could somebody tell me what is wish and in which package it is?
thanks
Hubert Fauque
hfauque@bart.fr


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Last night I tried to manually ifconfig my eth0 interface
(3Com 509 combo card), then tried to ping it, and got this:

>ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
>ping: wrote 166.117.11.123 64 chars, ret=-1
>
>--- 166.117.11.123 ping statistics ---
>10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
># netstat -rn
>Kernel IP routing table
>Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
>166.117.11.125  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH     1500 0          0 eth0
>127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U      3584 0          0 lo
># ifconfig -a
>lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
>          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
>          UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3584  Metric:1
>          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>
>eth0      Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:24:0F:15:63
>          inet addr:166.117.11.123  Bcast:166.117.11.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>          Interrupt:10 Base address:0x250 
>
>
>

Did I forget something?  I am pretty sure the card is good, and during
bootup I see that the MAC address is seen by the kernel, with the card
at 0x250 and IRQ 10.  Are these settings OK?

Thanks for your help!
---
Key fingerprint =  D6 A7 D7 8C 92 CB 42 FD  60 D5 62 1C D7 B9 EA 8E 
Ken Gaugler  N6OSK         Hybrid Networks, Inc.  Cupertino, Calif.
URL: www.hybrid.com (home: keng@aimnet.com  URL: users.aimnet.com/~keng)
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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > 
> > Try installing the xcompat package. It probably has the a.out library
> > dosemu is looking for.
> > 
> > Luck,
> > 
> > Dwarf
> > 
> > ------------                                          --------------
> > 
> > aka   Dale Scheetz                   Phone:   1 (904) 877-0257
> >       Flexible Software              Fax:     NONE
> >       Black Creek Critters           e-mail:  dwarf@polaris.net
> > 
> > ------------ If you don't see what you want, just ask --------------
> 
> Thanx for the info, I should have thought of it myself.
> However, I can't get dosemu to boot with the -A switch, and
> can't therefore install it. It always crashes giving me:
> ERROR: can't get floppy parameter in /dev/fd0.
> 
> My floppy drive usually works, and the boot disk is fine.
> Whats up??
> 
> Thanks for your time...
 
This seems to be a bug in the version of DOSEMU that has been packaged 
for debian.  The way to get around this is to edit the dosemu.conf file 
in /etc and replace
	floppy { device /dev/fd0 }
with
	floppy { file /var/lib/dosemu/diskimage } 
you will then take the floppy that has all the files you were supposed to 
put on it and run
	dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/var/lib/dosemu/diskimage }
you will then be able to boot off the image of drive A: and when ever you 
access drive A:, it will be the image file.

This is a workaround, not a fix.  However, this bug does seem to be fixed 
(at least on my system) in the development releases, which I am using on 
my system.

Hope this helps

Shaya
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> From bodec@Sherwood.co.uk Fri Aug 16 08:03:29 1996
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> Someone (I know you will) correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the CD
> simply send audio directly to the sound card, rather than via a device
> file?
>
> This would not require a sound module, or kernel support for sound, to
> be present. It would also suggest your problem lies in the card's
> initialisation.
>
> Casper Boden-Cummins.
>
> >----------
> >From: 	Derek Lee[SMTP:dkklee@mit.edu]
> >Sent: 	16 August 1996 01:36
> >To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
> >Subject: 	cdplay & sound.o autoloading
> >
> >I have been seeing something strange on my system. The autoloading of
> >the sound module works most of the time. The problem is with the CD
> >playing programs (cdplay from cdtool 1.0 or workman). They do not send
> >a request the sound module to kerneld. But they work if the module has
> >been loaded at some point in the past. In fact, they would continue to
> >work even if the sound module has been removed from the kernel!
> >
> >--Derek Lee
> >
> >

Hi

I am coming to the same conclusion myself
So where is this initialisation done?

--Derek 


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Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk> writes:

> What you need here is to set the setuid bit. Run this command as root:
> 
>    chmod +s filename

Not to be nasty, but this is generally a *REALLY BAD IDEA* unless you
know *exactly* what you are doing.  If "filename" was not designed with
extremely careful attention to the fact that it's going to be run suid
root, you can be opening up your system to all kinds of security
attacks, or accidental disasters by enabling suid root.

I'm talking about attention to things like explicitly setting the
PATH, checking and setting IFS, etc.  If it's a perl script, using the
"taint" checks helps, but you have to know enough perl to be able to
fix the problems it reports.

Don't do this.  Use sudo, super, or some equivalent.

[end preach mode]

--
Rob


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Hello:

I recently received the following email that is of interest to the
debian community and others.



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>
>>Return-Path: <BKostick@aol.com>
>>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:26:49 -0400
>>From: BKostick@aol.com
>>To: 72734.537@compuserve.com, RWinb9771@aol.com, jjacobso@crossc.crosscomm.com,
>>        AKanerva@netcom.com, PKanerva@csli.stanford.edu,
>>        wayne.toye@ogo.mts.dec.com, bkasindorf@bix.com, clewley@wi.mit.edu,
>>        jcerier@world.std.com, johnc@ratsys.com, StalleyG@aol.com,
>>        don@hoellein.riva.com, mallette_hill@prodigy.com,
>>        artswamp@ultranet.com, mplukas@advokts.mhs.compuserve.com,
>>        76451.337@compuserve.com, linda_plukas@hchp.org, WAYNETOYE@aol.com,
>>        corporatepartners@prodigy.com, JerryRubin@aol.com, pned12b@prodigy.com,
>>        crehl@world.std.com, dkasindorf@SEU1-PC42.BU.EDU, JJKostick@aol.com,
>>        WalkerRon@aol.com
>>Subject:  Virus Alert
>>
>>IMPORTANT MESSAGE!
>>
>>Subject: FW: Extremely Destructive Virus (fwd)
>>
>>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you
>>receive an email message with the subject line "Good  Times", DO NOT read
>>the message, DELETE it immediately.  Please read the messages below. Some
>>miscreant is sending  email under the title "Good Times" nationwide, if
>>you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!  It has a virus that
>>rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful
>>and forward this mail to anyone you care about.
>>
>>             WARNING!!!!!!!  INTERNET VIRUS
>>
>>The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major
>>importance to any regular user  of the Internet. Apparently a new computer
>>virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that  is
>>unparalleled in its destructive capability. What makes this  virus so
>>terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be
>>exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the
>>existing email systems of the Internet. Once a Computer is infected, one
>>of  several things can  happen. If the computer contains a hard drive,
>>that  will most likely be destroyed. If the  program is not stopped, the
>>computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary
>>loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too
>>long.  Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as
>>the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in
>>a text email message with the subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding
>>infection is easy once the file has been received simply by NOT READING
>>IT! The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes
>>the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program
>>is highly intelligent- it will  send copies of itself to everyone whose
>>email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if
>>it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running
>>on.
>>
>> The bottom line is:  - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good
>>Times", delete it  immediately! Do not read it"  Rest assured that
>>whoever's name was on the  "From" line was surely struck by the virus.
>>Warn your friends and  local system users of this newest threat to the
>>Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. Could you pass this
>>along to your global mailing list as well?
>>
>> George H. Bowers
>> Vice President for Information Systems University of Maryland Medical
>>  System 410-328-2579  (fax)410-328-0572  gbowers@umms_itg.ab.umd.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Quotes from Heiko R. Selber and Dale Scheetz.
> [ Problems with dselect ]
> I am slowly approaching the point where I expect a
> "general protection violation(TM)" from Debian.
> I consider this a bad sign.

Debian, compared to the install I have done with Redhat 3.0.3 (Picasso)
and 3.0.4 (Rembrandt Beta), is very stable.  Redhat could take some
lessons from dselect - using package dependencies made my life a bit
easier. I'm writing this while it installs - aparently enough of it has
installed for me to venture forth onto the net.  

> Well, don't judge Debian by dselect. Dselect is the product of one mind
> and has, in my estimation, severe user interface problems.

Yes, dselect gave me fits, but after I became a bit more patient with it,
I did well.  It does need a user-interfacelift, thou I'm still impressed.

> I disagree. DO judge Debian by dselect. To the debian-newbie, dselect is
> the first thing you see (thus, for the moment it IS Debian) and if it
> doesn't do what it should, it will intimidate new users (maybe forever). 

It does what it's told which may not have been what I ment.  I knew Debian
had more concept and organization behind it than other distributions,
but it still needs more polishing before the more easily frustrated can
walk this path.

> I admit that an OS doesn't have to be foolproof, but there is no reason
> that it shouldn't be user-friendly. Why not sit in front of your computer,
> insert some disks, follow some instructions and end up with Linux running? 
> (Yes, I know that Debian has come quite close to this, but IMHO not close
> enough). 

I DO like the flexibility the install allows - I'm still
installing now in another console!  The install prompts are more detailed
and not as confusing as some I've seen.  (Perhaps my understanding
increases.)

> You can use dpkg at the prompt. Just cd to the directory with the package
> you wish to install and type: 
> dpkg -i packagename*.deb

This dpkg will be useful when I want to add more things that I might
understand.  Now it is asking me to set up for X which usually fails for
me.  I don't mind being a new user.  

Charles



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  Jay> In addition to previous mail, would like to add that I've started
  Jay> receiving messages like this too: 
[...]
  Jay> Aug 16 16:11:31 named[145]: NSTATS 840208291 840075082 A=102 PTR=2
  Jay> MX=3 ANY=3 Aug 16 16:11:31 named[145]: XSTATS 840208291 840075082
  Jay> RQ=110 RR=44 RIQ=0 RNXD=1 RFwdQ=37 RFwdR=30 RDupQ=0 RDupR=0 RFail=0
  Jay> RFErr=0 RErr=0 RTCP=0 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=38 SAns=73
  Jay> SFwdQ=37 SFwdR=30 SDupQ=0 SFail=43 SFErr=0 SErr=0 RNotNsQ=110
  Jay> SNaAns=72 SNXD=1

It means you are are running the named daemon from the bind package. Sure you
need an internet name server on your machine?

--
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Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> I remember seeing this discussed on the list, but I don't remember the
> specifics. It has to do with making a copy of your boot disk on the hard
> disk and then booting from that. You might check out the HOWTO for
> details.
> 
> Luck,
> 
> Dwarf
> 
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Thanx again for the help, I managed to boot from a floppy image and
got it up and running. However, it seems that as I solve one problem,
another arises: I cab't seem to get the graphics support working.
When I run vgaon, it says that the BIOS is not mapped. I tried changing
all the parameters in the config file, bu to no avail. You know, I feel
like trashing DOS once and for all!!
Appreciate your help, 'later...


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On 16 Aug 1996, Rob Browning wrote:
> It's too bad we can't support longer passwords.  Not only are longer
> ones easier to remember sometimes, but they are harder to break.
> Something along the lines of the PGP passphrase.

	I've noticed something curious on various Unices:  I can have a 
27-character-long password any time I want.  For logins, though, login 
only cares about the first eight characters.  But to change the password, 
I have to enter the entire thing.
	I haven't tried this on Linux (yet); I'm talking more along the 
lines of SunOS, Solaris 2.x, maybe AIX 3.x.

> I'm sure there's some historical, or backward compatibility reason why
> we can't...

	Sure, that's probably the reason.  The cult of "backward
compatibility" IS, after all, responsible for far more heinous crimes, 
such as DOS' longevity...


David winters+@pitt.edu aka winters+@cs.cmu.edu
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Hi Hubert --

You asked:
> I have tried 
>   make xconfig
> to generate a new config file for the kernel but it gives an error
>    wish not found
> Could somebody tell me what is wish and in which package it is?

To find which package contains a file, try something like this:

# zgrep wish buzz-fixed/Contents.gz
usr/bin/mfv_wish                                             tkmail
usr/bin/scwish                                               scotty
usr/bin/wish4.0                                              tk40
usr/bin/wish4.1                                              tk41
usr/bin/wishx                                                tclX
usr/doc/examples/python/Demo/tkinter/guido/wish.py           python
usr/man/man1/scwish.1                                        scotty
usr/man/man1/wish4.0.1                                       tk40
usr/man/man1/wish4.1.1                                       tk41


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Susan Kleinmann



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> Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:
> > That's wonderful!
> > 
> > Now will Linux implement anything greater than RAID0? 
It does.  Raid1 is in development.  It does partial mirroring using about 1/3rd
of the disk space for 'backup' data.

> > Would you say your performance is significantly increased with striping?
I have an ncr53c815 card with two 312mb XT 1986 scsi-1 SLOW maxtor drives.
They definately perform much better after being raid0'ed.  If there would
be a point at which the data read from a drive was faster than the cpu could
crunch the raid0 'virtual' device, it would be slower than no raid at all.  I
personally don't see how any setup could be this 'disk fast' and 'cpu slow'.

>From my experience it is significantly faster.  It is literally (for me)
doubling the number of read-heads that can be reading or writing data at a
given time.

> > How many drives can be striped?

You can have 4 raid devices. /dev/md0 - /dev/md3.  I am not aware of a
limitation on the number of 'block' devices that can be grouped under each
raid device.  I would also be surprised if you were not able to increase the
numbers if you needed to.  Reminds me of ppp/slip in it's early stages.  A
default limit of 4.  Then they raised it to 16, and finally to 
on-the-fly-creation of devices up to a default limitation of 256, with an
easy #define to change to increase this limitation.  I see no reason why the
raid devices will not follow this pattern.

> md just groups a number of physical disk partitions into one logical one,
> /dev/md*.
I'm being picky, but no, it groups block devices.  I couldn't get it to work
with a loopback device, so perhaps right now block device = hard drive.  But
it shouldn't have to.

One happy raid0 user.
--
Todd Fries .. todd@miango.com


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Am I just missing some package, or is there really no xtetris in Debian?
(Yeah, I know about xtet42, but prefer xtetris)

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Gith writes:
> I've installed tin and suck as way to read newsgroups locally.
> The problem is, i haven't figured out how to use tin to read the
> newly downloaded articles. If someone is using the suck+tin 

I might be wrong on this, but isn't this a feature in tin that has yet to be
implemented? From the man page:

	-R         read   news   saved   by   the  -S  option  (not  yet
                   implemented).

> combination for news, could you post here or e-mail me directly
> on how to do it..

Where is the advantage of using suck over using tin -S?

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I once ftp'ed the pcmcia package from virginia, but then uninstalled it.  
Where can I find it once more?  I really need it.  It works really well 
with my pc card and laptop.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but any help is greatly appreciated.

Eddie Urenda
UCLA



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Help!!

I've got a funny  >:(( little problem with Debian 1.1.2 (July 96).

My system consists of

Motherboard Chaintech 5IFM 
64 MB RAM (non-EDO)
Graphics Board ELSA WINNER Trio 1000V
SCSI Adaptor  Asus SC200 with NCR 53c810
IBM DORS 32160 Harddisk
Mitsumi CD-ROM FX400 (IDE)

First I tried to install Linux using the Debian 1.1.2 Installation
Bootdisk (Kernel 2.0.6). This version detected while booting a
NCR 53c460A (!!), resulting in an error message like

NCR 53c406A: No available ports found

Second attempt: Using one of the special Kernels with the
NCR53c460A-Option deactivated, I got the system correctly booted,
detecting the installed 53c810. But... the modules.tgz of this Version
is corrupted (e.g., the NCR 53c460A driver is missing).

Third, fourth, fifth attempt: Trying Slackware 2.3, 3.0, 3.1 (Kernel
V2.0.0). All versions correctly detected the SCSI-Adaptor.
BUT I INSIST IN INSTALLING DEBIAN!!

I`ve read all HOWTOS etc. and news, but got no idea to solve this
problem.

Is there any way to boot with a specified SCSI-Adaptor without
recompiling the kernel? Somebody out there who was confronted with the
same problem and got through? Or, if there is no way, which parts of my
system (libraries, compiler ...) most be up to date for compiling a
custom kernel? 

Please help, I think I'm going nuts!! Thanks, Thanks, Thanks!
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I remember reading about this several months ago. It was the opinion
of most people at the time to be just a joke. Anyone know for sure
if it is anything other than a joke?
Terry
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Hubert FAUQUE writes:
> I have tried 
>   make xconfig
> to generate a new config file for the kernel but it gives an error
>    wish not found
> Could somebody tell me what is wish and in which package it is?

Wish is the base-level Tk interpreter.  Install either the tk40 or
tk41 packages.  if you install both, the wish from tk41 will be used
by default.

David
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No no no !
Not again.
Please read "http://www.singnet.com.sg/public/Virus/good-times.html".;
This is a scam !

Phil.


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You need to install Tcl7.4 (or Tcl7.5) and Tk4.0 (or Tk4.1).
BTW, if you just need the make 'xconfig' feature, I suggest not installing
all this and using 'make menuconfig'.

Phil.


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could someone tell me where I can ftp debian pcmcia package from?

sorry if the question is dumb

eddie urenda
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>Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
>166.117.11.125  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH     1500 0          0 eth0
>127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U      3584 0          0 lo

Your routing table is incorrect. If you have a class C network (I assume
that given your netmask value on eth0), you should issue a:

	route add -net 166.117.11.0

The initialization scripts in /etc/init.d/network should take care of that.

Phil.


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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, L. S. Colby wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> I recently received the following email that is of interest to the
> debian community and others.
> 
> 
> 
> L. S. Colby
> 

I always try to pay attention to this kind o fstuff, because
I'm paranoid.  But this is a hoax.  I recieved a warning
exactly like this from someone at Sun Microsystems!  I paid
attention, but its the same hoax as in past years.  There is
a faq on this at:

http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes.html

The "virus" is of the sociological nature.  People keep
recycling these silly assed mails to the "nth-complexity",
cluttering up the net and striking panic into the
uninformed.



Richard G. Roberto
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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Hubert FAUQUE wrote:

> I have tried 
>   make xconfig
> to generate a new config file for the kernel but it gives an error
>    wish not found
> Could somebody tell me what is wish and in which package it is?

You need tcl/tk packages. In plain english its tk41 and that file (tcl75
?) which is requests for dependencies. One useful way for tracking down
needed packages is to download those Contents files and then grep for
program that you wish to get, i.e. grep wish Contents on Debian
distribution would have pointed out tk40 and tk41 as packages which have
it.

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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> Thanx again for the help, I managed to boot from a floppy image and
> got it up and running. However, it seems that as I solve one problem,
> another arises: I cab't seem to get the graphics support working.
> When I run vgaon, it says that the BIOS is not mapped. I tried changing
> all the parameters in the config file, bu to no avail. You know, I feel
> like trashing DOS once and for all!!
> Appreciate your help, 'later...
> 

What video card do you use? 

Shaya
--
Shaya Potter
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---------  Received message begins Here  ---------

(urban legend hoax deleted)

Oh, god, it's back!

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi guys,

starting a new thread about the subject... ;-)

I'm still trying to get a grip on this...

Few questions:
1. can raid0/raid1 be done on either scsi or ide or both?
2. what's the difference between raid0 and raid1?
3. what exactly does it do? Does it mirror data accross multiple devices, 
and if so, how does it maintain the data in all devices?
4. How does one go about "creating" an md device? Would it automatically 
mirror a "non-md" drive into the multiple devices?

Thanks!
Ricardo


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I'm trying to figure out why my incoming mail (coming in via uucp) is being
queued up instead of being delivered straight to my mailbox.

I'm using debian sendmail, Version: 8.7.5-4

I've got the following in my .mc file:

VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc	8.7 (Linux) 3/5/96')
OSTYPE(debian)dnl
FEATURE(nocanonify)dnl
FEATURE(nouucp)dnl
FEATURE(nodns)dnl
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MAILER(local)dnl
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define(`UUCP_MAX_SIZE', 0)
define(`SMART_HOST', uucp-dom:cuugnet)
MAILER(uucp)

Which results in the following in my sendmail.cf file (among much else):

O DeliveryMode=background

Mlocal,		P=/usr/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@SPfhn, S=10/30, R=20/40,
		T=DNS/RFC822/X-Unix,
		A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u

As you can see, the expensive flag is not present, and queue mode is not set,
so I can't figure out why the mail is being queued. Outgoing mail is sent to
uucp right away.

Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I've never run across this problem
with sendmail before (and I've used sendmail a *lot*, right down to re-writing
rule-sets). This is the newest version of sendmail I've ever used though, so
perhaps I'm missing something somewhere?

-- 
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wish is part of the Tk package. You'll need tk_7.[3|5].deb and
tcl_4.?.deb I can't remember which verison they at. Tk needs tcl. Wish
is part of Tk. They should both be in the devel subtree.

	-Josh Stockwell


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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:46:42 -0700, you wrote:

>You need to install Tcl7.4 (or Tcl7.5) and Tk4.0 (or Tk4.1).
>BTW, if you just need the make 'xconfig' feature, I suggest not installing
>all this and using 'make menuconfig'.
>
>Phil.
>
Thanks for your answer, I had just tried make xconfig instead of make
config
but I'll install tcl/tk anyway
Hubert


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

   Gentlefolk:

   The ``Good Times'' virus is a hoax, an urban legend.  To quote from
the CERT Coordination Center memo on the subject:

> The "Good Times" virus warnings are a hoax.  People are circulating
> the warnings without verifying the information contained therein,
> thus leading to unnecessary worry and concern.  Please do not
> circulate the "Good Times" warnings further.  Please send this
> advisory on to anyone who has mail you such an advisory.

For the full story, check one of:

    http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml
    ftp://ciac.llnl.gov/pub/ciac/notes/notes09.txt

where CIAC is the ``Computer Incident Advisory Capability'', and CERT
may or may not be ``Computer Emergency Response Team'' :-).  See also

    http://www.cert.org/cert.faqintro.html

Question B9(c) for the above ``Good Times'' reference, and Question A4
for the name confusion.


			Sincerely yours,

				Max Hyre

    **>> What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message?  It's a
    	 security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check
    	 out 
    	    	    http://www.efh.org/pgp/pgpwork.html

          Key fingerprint =  EFEC 0067 6803 852D  B1DB 751E 6754 14EA 

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I don't think you have anything to worry about. You just fell victim
to one of the most perpetuated practical jokes on the internet. :))

	-Josh Stockwell


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I called the number listed in this message it this is a joke!

The statement about the tight loop that could damage your processor 
should be a dead give-away!

Check these things out in the future before spreading them!

Thanks,


Brian

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X-PatMc: Where's the power switch on this thing??
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> I remember reading about this several months ago. It was the opinion
> of most people at the time to be just a joke. Anyone know for sure
> if it is anything other than a joke?

Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.

Notice that the original post came from AOL.. :)

Robbie
(who wonders how many people deleted this message in fear when they 
saw the Subject: line..)


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eck@sc10.dseg.ti.com (Terry Eck) writes:

> I remember reading about this several months ago. It was the opinion
> of most people at the time to be just a joke. Anyone know for sure
> if it is anything other than a joke?

Well, I'd like to see the code for the infinite loop that'd melt down
my processor.  I've written a few in my time (accidentally), and the
machine's still here.

I think this is probably a joke.  I actually have received a "GOOD
TIMES" message, actually got one a couple of times, way back when I
used AOL (feel free to flame, it was pre-linux for me, too).  Anyway,
the message was a virus in some sense, but it required active
participation.  It was a message saying that it had been around the
world X number of times and that anyone who would do what it said and
continue the pyramid, tacking on their own name, would get great
wealth and voodoo luck.  If you failed to do this in Y number of days,
all manner of evil catastrophies would befall you.

I ignored it with no ill effects at the specified instance of doom.

--
Rob


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Re: Virus, Internet:  Good Times

On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Terry Eck wrote:

> I remember reading about this several months ago. It was the opinion
> of most people at the time to be just a joke. Anyone know for sure
> if it is anything other than a joke?
> Terry

Either it is an obvious joke or now you have the virus.


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             <Pine.3.89.9608161138.C14608-0100000@tau.ben2.ucla.edu> 
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:40:48 -0400
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Hi Eddie --
You can get the Debian pcmcia package from any Debian mirror.  

               ftp.caldera.com:/pub/mirrors/debian
is close to UCLA.
When you get there (i.e., when you get to pub/mirrors/debian, 
which is where Caldera puts the Debian distribution -- this top level 
directory is different on different mirrors), look in the directory 
   rex/binary-i386/admin
for the pcm* files.

It's not clear from your message that you are using a Debian system.
You'll need one to unpack the .deb files.  If you don't have a Debian
system, you may prefer to fetch the sources from rex/source/admin,
and then compile them yourself.

If this isn't clear, let me know and I'll try to give you more help;
however, I don't use the pcm* files myself, so I can't be much help on
that score.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi folks.

I just returned to a pre-1.1 beta PC which has an early verion
of the ELF system.  Here's my problem.  I want to update it via
dpkg-ftp, but I can't find dpkg-ftp!  I presume that it has been
incorporated into the base disks.  How to I get it onto my system
without messing with my configuration?

Thanks.  Syrus.


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> > I seem to have a problem with exmh (or X). When I start exmh I get a string
> > of
> > 
> > BGRegister insecure server (must run old style xauth). Command ignored.
> > 
> > I think I understand what is happening: my X server is not generating
> > the ~/.Xauthority file needed to run secure and exmh complains. But I
> > haven't been able to fix this problem.
> 
> The simplier way is to use xdm.
> Alternately, you can create the cookie by yourself if you want to use startx. I've got a small program (20 lines of C) that generates such cookies. Email if you want it.

I have a much smpler setup, using a .xserverrc file. It's about 6 lines. 
Similar, mail me (or on the list) if somebody wants this (don't have it 
on this site, so can't include it here, besides, while I'm typing this, 
I'm loaded, this took me about 3 minutes to type :).

Maarten

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Ricardo Kleemann <ricardo@americasnet.com> writes:

> Few questions:
> 1. can raid0/raid1 be done on either scsi or ide or both?

The linux md driver is software, so it doesn't care what the
underlying block device technology is.  You just give it block-device
partitions to turn into a RAID device.  These partitions can (at the
least) be on SCSI or IDE devices.  It dosnt' matter to the md driver.

> 2. what's the difference between raid0 and raid1?

>From /usr/doc/mdutils/README:

 Raid0 does a classic (and rather efficient) striping on disks
 (i.e. contiguous blocks on the md device are spread across real
 devices).  It gives rather good performances on SCSI disks, specially
 with concurrent disk access.  There's no limitation on disks sizes
 (i.e. sizes can be different, md will cope with this).
 
 Raid1 adds mirroring to raid0 striping.  Note that it is not complete
 yet (no rebuild tools, error trapping is incomplete).  It's also known
 to be rather slow when writing. 

>From the same source:

 Since MD pre0.31, RAID-[15] have been removed from the main
 distribution, because of pathological unstability... and for the
 kernel integration of linear and RAID-0 modes.

> 4. How does one go about "creating" an md device? Would it automatically 
> mirror a "non-md" drive into the multiple devices?

Get the debian mdutils package install it, and read the docs.

--
Rob


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I have kerne 2.0.6 though and it expects kernel 2.0.7.  Where can I find 
a version that expects version 2.0.6 of the kernel.  If this is not 
possible, how hard is it to upgrade my kernel ?

Eddie Urenda


On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:

> Hi Eddie --
> You can get the Debian pcmcia package from any Debian mirror.  
> 
>                ftp.caldera.com:/pub/mirrors/debian
> is close to UCLA.
> When you get there (i.e., when you get to pub/mirrors/debian, 
> which is where Caldera puts the Debian distribution -- this top level 
> directory is different on different mirrors), look in the directory 
>    rex/binary-i386/admin
> for the pcm* files.
> 
> It's not clear from your message that you are using a Debian system.
> You'll need one to unpack the .deb files.  If you don't have a Debian
> system, you may prefer to fetch the sources from rex/source/admin,
> and then compile them yourself.
> 
> If this isn't clear, let me know and I'll try to give you more help;
> however, I don't use the pcm* files myself, so I can't be much help on
> that score.
> 
> Good luck,
> Susan Kleinmann
> 


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is there a record of pcmcia packages that use 2.0.6 kernel.  the new one 
expects the 2.0.7 kernel and I need the older one.  

should I just upgrade my kernel?  is this hard to to?

Eddie Urenda




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  I downloaded checkbot <http://dutifp.twi.tudelft.nl:8000/checkbot/>
  which is used to verify links in Web pages, but the current version
  of the libwww-perl package:
  
	libwww-perl  <none>      5.00-1

  is incomplete.  In particular, it does not install the HTML
  sub-package.  Running checkbot reveals and undefined reference to
  the HTML methods (unfortunately, I no longer have the error
  message).  Could this be user headroom on my part or shall I submit
  a bug report?  After obtaining the sources to libwww-perl and
  installing, I got past the errors above (although now it's dying
  from an internal bug--sigh).

  Is anyone out there familiar with checkbot?  Or do you use a better
  link-checker?

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Bill Wohler <wohler@uluru.worldtalk.com> writes:

>   the current version of the libwww-perl package is incomplete.  In
>   particular, it does not install the HTML sub-package.  After
>   obtaining the sources to libwww-perl and installing, I got past
>   the errors above.

Hmm.  So did you have to do anything special when you built
libwww-perl to get this sub-package, and did you do this with the real
upstream sources, or the debian source package?

>   Could this be user headroom on my part or shall I submit a bug
>   report?

This sounds like a bug to me.  Go ahead and submit a bug report so I
don't forget to look in to it.

Thanks
--
Rob


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[cc'd to debian-user since this info may help someone else.]

Joe Russack <strange@svl.meitca.com> writes:
> (I'll be running NT in a few weeks, when the full release comes out. 
>  If you feel like typing up the info, that might be nice, but it's
>  not critical yet...)

  I'll save you a few days of aggravation.  If you're in the Silicon
  Valley area sometime you can buy me a beer ;-).

  Under no circumstances run NT's disk administrator to format
  partitions.  It asks if it can write a signature "which will cause
  absolutely no harm."  When it did this, it hosed the partition table
  and neither NT nor Linux booted afterwards.  Therefore, you'll
  probably be limited to one FAT NT partition unless NT 4.0 fixed
  these things.  Also remember that even if you do get the Disk
  Administrator to work, you'll want at least one small FAT partition
  to use as a staging area for exchanging files between Linux and NT.

  If I read my notes right, the following is a fine distillation of
  many days and nights of pulling out my hair to get things working:

  1. Install Linux (hold off on installing everything until you win
  the Linux/NT battle).  Do all your disk partitioning in Linux,
  including your NT partition (make it FAT).  I was not successful at
  making more than one NT partition.  I also made it the first
  partition, but I don't know if that is essential or not.
  
  2. Add the "linear" flag to /etc/lilo.conf, change boot=/dev/sda (I
  was not successful at installing LILO on the Linux
  partition--/dev/sda3 in my case) and run "lilo".  I may have had to
  use "ignore-table" along the way.  See also "fix-table".  The LILO
  HOWTO is your friend.  You'll have to use the editor ae.  You'll
  live.

  3. Save the MBR with this: dd if=/dev/sda of=/floppy/MBR bs=512 count=1
  Use a floppy. Trust me.  Also do this each time you change the disk
  partition table.
  
  4. Install NT, part 1.  When it goes to reboot halfway through the
  process you'll boot into Linux.
  
  5. Add NT stanza to /etc/lilo.conf, e.g.:
  
	other=/dev/sda1
	label=NT
	table=/dev/sda

   and run lilo.
  
  6. Reboot, select NT from LILO, and finish NT install.  You'll need
  the "Boot Disk XU, HP Vectra AIC 7880 Driver A.01.02" floppy to
  install the ethernet drivers and the "XU/VT Drivers and
  Documentation" CD (directory video/disk4 if a recall correctly) to
  install the video drivers for the Matrox MGA Millennium.
  
  7. Back to Linux, run fdisk and ensure you don't get "partition
  doesn't end on cylinder boundary" on your Linux partitions.  You'll
  still have this error on the NT partition though, but this seems to
  be OK.
  
/dev/sda1            1        1      322   329301    6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary:
     phys=(321, 39, 9) should be (321, 63, 32)

  Cfdisk reports strangeness, but it seems OK:

                                            Unusable                      0.04*
   /dev/sda1                 Primary        DOS 16-bit >=32Mb           321.59*
                                            Unusable                      0.39*

  If you do get the cylinder boundary warning, you'll need that MBR
  you saved previously.  Clear and restore the MBR (but not the
  signature) with:

  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
  dd if=/floppy/MBR of=/dev/sda bs=510 count=1

  8.  Install the rest of Linux.  Easy, huh?

  If you have problems trying to get NT to write the MBR instead of
  LILO, you may have to resort to the following to clear the MBR
  first:
  
  a) dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1 (in Linux) or perform
     a low-level format with the SCSI utilities.  I've heard that a
     low-level format of an IDE disk is fatal, so don't do it.
  b) fdisk /mbr (you've obviously already created a DOS boot disk that
     contains fdisk).
  c) delete NT partition and create it again in NT install.
  d) continue with NT install.

  Other details: Debian Linux 1.1, Linux 2.0.0, HP Vectra XU 6/150,
  Adaptec AIC 7880 Ultra (BIOS 1.2S-HP), Quantum Fireball 1080S,
  Phoenix compatibility BIOS GG.06.02.  NT 3.5.1.
  
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>Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.
>
>Notice that the original post came from AOL.. :)

Ohhhh... Cheap shot!   ;-)

>Robbie
>(who wonders how many people deleted this message in fear when they 
>saw the Subject: line..)

Wellll... the subject didn't contain "Good Times" after all...



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Robbie Honerkamp:
> Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.

Not true. The Good Times virus is a hoax, but it is possible to get a virus
from e-mail, in some circumstances.

Some e-mail systems allow the sender to tag the contents as being plain
text, HTML, C source code, a shell script, and so on. This is not something
that MIME invented -- it existed well before MIME. It's a good thing, since
it allows programs to handle mail more intelligently.

However, stupid people can also write mail user programs that automatically
run a program that comes in e-mail. Even more stupid people use such 
programs. For example, I've seen a procmail rule that was essentially 
like this:

	:0
	* ^Subject: runme
	| sed '1,/^$/d' | sh
	
For those who don't understand procmail's syntax, this takes every letter
that has "runme" in the subject and runs its body as shell commands.
Very, very dangerous.

I've been told that some Windows mail programs have something similar
built in (if you receive a Word document, they automatically run Word
and load that document -- Word documents can contain powerful macros
that are run automatically when the document is loaded), but I haven't
verified it.

GNU Emacs had a similar feature (certain magic lines in a file could
run any Emacs commands automatically when the file was loaded -- and
Emacs commands are powerful indeed).

So it's quite possible to get a virus from e-mail, but you have to either
be wantonly stupid (if you install a dangerous procmail rule), or just
ignorant that the program had the capability (what do you mean you didn't
read the footnote on page 481 of the technical reference manual you must
buy separately?).

For more information, you might want to search the RISKS archive (see
the comp.risks newsgroup).

> Notice that the original post came from AOL.. :)

Not everyone from AOL is stupid. I've exchanged mail with an AOL user
who wrote C compilers to cure hangovers...

Most AOL users are new on the net, and they're clumsy, silly and sometimes
irritating, but there's some very shrewd people on AOL as well. With six
million users (three times as many as on the whole of Usenet when I started
reading it) you get all kinds of people.

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Sorry for the line wraps, but I get this when I try to look
at a man page.  And catman just sits there and does nothing!
Anybody?

# man man
man: command exited with status -1: /bin/gzip -dc
'/var/catman/cat1/man.1.gz' |
{ export MAN_PN LESS; MAN_PN='man(1)';
LESS="$LESS\$-Pm\:\$ix8mPm Manual page $MAN_PN ?ltline
%lt?L/%L.:byte %bB?s/%s..?e (END):?pB %pB\\%.."; most; }
#

Thanks in advance

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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> Hi guys,
> 
> starting a new thread about the subject... ;-)
> 
> I'm still trying to get a grip on this...
> 
> Few questions:
> 1. can raid0/raid1 be done on either scsi or ide or both?
> 2. what's the difference between raid0 and raid1?
> 3. what exactly does it do? Does it mirror data accross multiple devices, 
> and if so, how does it maintain the data in all devices?
> 4. How does one go about "creating" an md device? Would it automatically 
> mirror a "non-md" drive into the multiple devices?

Please read the manpage for the 'mdcreate' utility.  It answers all of these
questions.  That said, I'll attemt to exlain it in my own words.

raid0/raid1/linear are currently functional raid personalities that can be
used for any block device.  floppy+ide+scsi+zipdrive+whatever.  I don't know
if you could use a ramdisk, but I wouldn't be surprised.  ANY BLOCK DEVICE.

So, for my computer, I have:
/dev/hda hda1(1mb)  hda2(90mb)  hda3(50mb) hda4(60mb)
/dev/sda sda1(45mb) sda2(265mb) sda3(7mb)
/dev/sdb sdb1(45mb) sdb2(265mb) sdb3(7mb)

Long story on the reasoning behind this, but anyway, /etc/mdtab contains:

   /dev/md0 raid0,4k,0,72e5f713 /dev/sdb1 /dev/hda6 /dev/sda1
   /dev/md1 raid0,4k,0,7b8942ce /dev/sdb2 /dev/sda2

Which gets me an output of 'df' as follows:

   LightHouse~:$ df
   Filesystem     1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
   /dev/hda2          89183   79028     5550     93%   /
   /dev/md0          149794  131671    18123     88%   /home
   /dev/md1          515289  458539    30134     94%   /usr

(the 50mb partition on ide is swap).

Notice I am creating a /usr partition that is bigger than any one of my
drives alone, and also am using ide + scsi on the /home partition.

[ a note to those who would suggest I'm crazy to swap on ide when I have
  scsi-->  my ide is 2x faster than my scsi disks because they are VERY old ]
[ a note to those who wonder about the 2 unused 7mb partitions on my scsi
  disks--> the 2nd scsi disk has problems reading the last 7mb of the drive
  and causes lockups.  So I decided to partition the drives around the 'bad'
  blocks. ]

Anyway, raid (or multiple device, md) in linux has 3 personalities availble
at this time:
   linear = appending all the block devices together.  So if you had
             md0 = /dev/hda1 + hdb3 + sda, the blocks would be accessed
              in this order:

              /dev/hda1 = { block1, block2, block3 }
              /dev/hdb3 = { block4, block5 }
              /dev/sda  = { block6, block7, block8 }

   raid0 = software disk striping.  So if you had
             md0 = /dev/hda1 + hdb3 + sda, the blocks would be accessed
               in this order:

              /dev/hda1 = { block1, block4, block7 }
              /dev/hdb3 = { block2, block5 }
              /dev/sda  = { block3, block6, block8 }

   raid1 = software disk striping + recovery; I am not certain of the block
             layout but it is similar to raid0 with not as much physical space
             available due to some data redundancies

So, when I was booting off /dev/hda2 on my machine, I simply typed:

mdcreate raid0 /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 /dev/hda6 /dev/sda1
mdcreate raid0 /dev/md1 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sda2

And now, upon bootup, I simply type:
mdadd -ar

Which activates the md devices.  At this point in time I am able to fsk and
mount the /dev/md* just as if they were hd*'s or sd*'s.  They are a block
device, like any other.

Honestly, you will get the idea when you toy around and start planning to do
your own raid'ing.  Especially when you grab the md utils and compile them,
while they compile you can read the man pages and you should have no problem.

It is actually fairly simple to use.
--
Todd Fries .. todd@miango.com


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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:47:04 +0300 Lars Wirzenius (liw@iki.fi) 
wrote:

> GNU Emacs had a similar feature (certain magic lines in a file could
> run any Emacs commands automatically when the file was loaded -- and
> Emacs commands are powerful indeed).

FYI, this is now disabled by default.
The emacs variable are:
	enable-local-eval (defaults to ask user)
	enable-local-variables (defaults to obey)

Phil.



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"Heiko R. Selber" writes:
-> On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
-> 
-> > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Heiko R. Selber wrote:
-> > 
-> > > [ Problems with dselect ]
-> 
-> > Well, don't judge Debian by dselect. Dselect is the product of one mind
-> > and has, in my estimation, severe user interface problems.
-> 
-> I disagree. DO judge Debian by dselect. To the debian-newbie, dselect is
-> the first thing you see (thus, for the moment it IS Debian) and if it
-> doesn't do what it should, it will intimidate new users (maybe forever). 
-> 

I agree here... I just installed debian 1.1 to replace my 3.0
Slackware system.  It seems Slackware isn't making much progress, and
my system was becoming rather patchwork, so I decided to start mostly
fresh :)

dselect IS the most visible portion of the Debian packaging system,
and the packaging system is the most visible distinctive part of a
particular Linux distribution. 

Overall, I like Debian so far.  It seems a lot of work has gone into
making Debian very sensible and upgradable on many levels.  Dselect is
Debian's ugly wart, IMHO. It took me several rounds of playing around
with it to eventually get it to install all the packages I had
downloaded.

dselect is very powerful, but with that power, it sometimes loses
intuitiveness.  One possible solution is maybe to make a 'dumbed down'
installer, which acts similar to Slackware's setup tool (from a user
interface POV, anyways), allows me to go through, select my system,
then check dependencies and advise me (or optionally after every
package set, whenever I press the "advise" button, whatever). This
could be used as a simple 'get-you-up-and-running' install tool, then
once the system was set up, the user could use dselect for the more
advanced solution.

Just a suggestion...
-Larry
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Why doesn't `ifconfig dummy songdog' work?  It tells me:
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device

Am I the dummy here?

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Hello;

After messing up my XDM and essentially locking myself
out of my system for a while, I have become interested
in setting up my ethernet card from a startup script.

Does one put the ifconfig and route statements in the usual
rc.inet1 and reference it somehow from rc6.d, or what?

I appreciate any suggestions here; the NET-2 HOWTO seems to be 
geared toward the Slackware kind of system.

Thanks!


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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Robbie Honerkamp wrote:

> > I remember reading about this several months ago. It was the opinion
> > of most people at the time to be just a joke. Anyone know for sure
> > if it is anything other than a joke?
> 
> Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.

Actually this is something that can be disputed quite lot, but thankfully
its not something that would happen while using Debian/Linux. Just to
point out, what I mean by that is that one of the most common ways that I
know for passing around all those macro viruses, that now exist in M$-Word
and Excel, will quite heavily spread around throught M$-Mail or about any
other mailer that supports easy interface for adding those documents or
spreadsheets as attachments. 

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I guess best way to describe my current status with Debian is that I am
still in process of moving to Debian from system that was originally based
on Slackware 3.0.

Anyway..... I installed Debian 1.1.4 without too many problems and got
everything basically working (fvwm95, emacs and PPP as most important
pieces). At that point, I wanted to compile my very own kernel and
downloaded Linux-2.0.13 sources and compiled it. All seemed to go
beatifully, but for some reason it broke my PPP.

Reason why I am asking this here instead of some generic Linux groups is
that when I copy that linux 2.0.13 image to my old slackware partition and
boot it, PPP works just beatifully. While on Debian side, only way to keep
things working beatifully is by sticking on boot disk.

To give you more exact view about problem, here is sort of description
about problem and below is configuration file that was used on kernel
compilation.

Quote from my ppp-on script:

pppd /dev/$DEVICE $SPEED
echo "Started pppd" 1>&2
IP=""
while test "$IP"x = "x"
do
  echo "Waiting for IP address" 1>&2
  sleep 1
  IP=`/sbin/ifconfig | /usr/bin/grep -1 ppp0 | /usr/bin/grep "inet addr"|\
      /usr/bin/awk '{print $2}'| /usr/bin/awk 'BEGIN {FS=":"} {print $2}'`
done

While running this on Slackware or with boot disk, it usually goes around
something like 3-4 times before information gets into ifconfig. With my
2.0.13 on debian, I wait 25 lines and cancel it at that time. Once I tried
rsh command from other virtual console and got response that network was
unreachable. 

Now to the Linux kernel part:
#
# Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit
#

#
# Code maturity level options
#
# CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL is not set

#
# Loadable module support
#
CONFIG_MODULES=y
# CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is not set
# CONFIG_KERNELD is not set

#
# General setup
#
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_NET=y
# CONFIG_MAX_16M is not set
CONFIG_PCI=y
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_KERNEL_ELF=y
CONFIG_M586=y

#
# Floppy, IDE, and other block devices
#
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_ONLY is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set

#
# Networking options
#
# CONFIG_FIREWALL is not set
# CONFIG_NET_ALIAS is not set
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y
# CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set
# CONFIG_IP_ACCT is not set
# CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set
# CONFIG_INET_PCTCP is not set
# CONFIG_INET_RARP is not set
# CONFIG_NO_PATH_MTU_DISCOVERY is not set
CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y
CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y
# CONFIG_IPX is not set
# CONFIG_ATALK is not set
# CONFIG_AX25 is not set
# CONFIG_NETLINK is not set

#
# SCSI support
#
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS is not set

#
# SCSI low-level drivers
#
# CONFIG_SCSI_7000FASST is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA152X is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1542 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1740 is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_ADVANSYS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_IN2000 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AM53C974 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DTC3280 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_DMA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_PIO is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_FUTURE_DOMAIN is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C7xx is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PPA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PAS16 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FAS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_ISP is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SEAGATE is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_T128 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_U14_34F is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ULTRASTOR is not set

#
# Network device support
#
CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y
CONFIG_DUMMY=y
# CONFIG_EQUALIZER is not set
# CONFIG_PLIP is not set
CONFIG_PPP=y
# CONFIG_SLIP is not set
# CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set
# CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET is not set
# CONFIG_TR is not set
# CONFIG_ARCNET is not set

#
# ISDN subsystem
#
# CONFIG_ISDN is not set

#
# CD-ROM drivers (not for SCSI or IDE/ATAPI drives)
#
# CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI is not set

#
# Filesystems
#
# CONFIG_QUOTA is not set
# CONFIG_LOCK_MANDATORY is not set
# CONFIG_MINIX_FS is not set
# CONFIG_EXT_FS is not set
CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
# CONFIG_XIA_FS is not set
# CONFIG_FAT_FS is not set
# CONFIG_MSDOS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_VFAT_FS is not set
# CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS is not set
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
CONFIG_NFS_FS=y
# CONFIG_ROOT_NFS is not set
# CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set
# CONFIG_ISO9660_FS is not set
# CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_SYSV_FS is not set
# CONFIG_UFS_FS is not set

#
# Character devices
#
CONFIG_SERIAL=y
# CONFIG_DIGI is not set
# CONFIG_CYCLADES is not set
# CONFIG_STALDRV is not set
# CONFIG_RISCOM8 is not set
# CONFIG_PRINTER is not set
# CONFIG_MOUSE is not set
# CONFIG_UMISC is not set
# CONFIG_QIC02_TAPE is not set
# CONFIG_FTAPE is not set
# CONFIG_APM is not set
# CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set
# CONFIG_RTC is not set

#
# Sound
#
# CONFIG_SOUND is not set

#
# Kernel hacking
#
# CONFIG_PROFILE is not set

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Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> What video card do you use?
> 
> Shaya
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Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...


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Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> I just returned to a pre-1.1 beta PC which has an early verion
> of the ELF system.  Here's my problem.  I want to update it via
> dpkg-ftp, but I can't find dpkg-ftp!  I presume that it has been
> incorporated into the base disks.  How to I get it onto my system
> without messing with my configuration?
> 
> Thanks.  Syrus.
> 
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Last time I looked it was in the development tree (or rex, unstable)

Good luck...


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Hi,
I'm trying to use lyx, and it works fine untill it invokes latex. Then it 
seems to be using some fonts that I have not installed. Where can I find those 
fonts (listed below)? Acording to /usr/doc/lyx/debian.README.gz, ther should 
also excist "* several manpages", of which I can find non. I am using the 
0.9.21-1 vesrion from the stable directory, butI have also tried the unstable 
0.10.3.1 without success.

Here is the missfont.log file:

MakeTeXTFM dcr1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcr1440.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcbx1440.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcbx1728.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcsx1728.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcsx2488.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcr1200.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcbx1200.tfm 
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MakeTeXTFM dcr0900.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcr0600.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcr0700.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcti1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcti0700.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcr0800.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcit1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dctt0800.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dccc1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcsl1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcbx0700.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dcbi1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dctt1000.tfm 
MakeTeXTFM dctt1000.tfm 


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Hi everyone!

I get this warning message when I run make xconfig to setup
my kernel .config file prior to compiling.  It doesn't seem
to bother anything, but I figured I ask if anyone else has
seen it.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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Sorry!  I guess the error output would help!

# make xconfig
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts kconfig.tk
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/scripts'
make -C /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound mkscript
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'
Compiling Sound Driver v 3.5.5-beta1 for Linux
rm -f configure
gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include -o configure configure.c
./configure script > Config.in
cat lowlevel/Config.tmpl >> Config.in
./configure fixedlocal > local.h
./configure fixeddefines > .defines
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'

gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include  -g -Wall -c -o tkparse.o tkparse.c
gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include  -g -Wall -c -o tkcond.o tkcond.c
gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include  -g -Wall -c -o tkgen.o tkgen.c
gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include -o tkparse tkparse.o tkcond.o tkgen.o
./tkparse < ../arch/i386/config.in  > kconfig.tmp
cat header.tk >> ./kconfig.tk
cat kconfig.tmp >> kconfig.tk
rm -f kconfig.tmp
echo "set defaults \"arch/i386/defconfig\"" >> kconfig.tk
cat tail.tk >> kconfig.tk
chmod 755 kconfig.tk
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/scripts'
wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk
WARNING - broken Config.in!  CONFIG_AEDSP16 was not declared!
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'
Compiling Sound Driver v 3.5.5-beta1 for Linux
rm -f configure
gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include -o configure configure.c
./configure fixedlocal > local.h
./configure fixeddefines > .defines
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'

Thanks again!

Richard G. Roberto
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Hi everyone!

I get this warning message when I run make xconfig to setup
my kernel .config file prior to compiling.  It doesn't seem
to bother anything, but I figured I ask if anyone else has
seen it.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj



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I got essentialy the same message while preparing to compile a non-
Debian 2.08 kernel.  I conclude from this that whatever the problem
is, it is not a Debian problem.  I don't know if the resulting
config file is really broken or not, but I did not take any chances.
I used menuconfig.  It is almost as nice, and does not produce the
"broken" message.

Mike



On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> Sorry!  I guess the error output would help!
>
> # make xconfig
> rm -f include/asm
> ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
> make -C scripts kconfig.tk
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/scripts'
> make -C /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound mkscript
> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'
> Compiling Sound Driver v 3.5.5-beta1 for Linux
> rm -f configure
> gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include -o configure configure.c
> ./configure script > Config.in
> cat lowlevel/Config.tmpl >> Config.in
> ./configure fixedlocal > local.h
> ./configure fixeddefines > .defines
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'
>
> gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include  -g -Wall -c -o tkparse.o tkparse.c
> gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include  -g -Wall -c -o tkcond.o tkcond.c
> gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include  -g -Wall -c -o tkgen.o tkgen.c
> gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include -o tkparse tkparse.o tkcond.o tkgen.o
> ./tkparse < ../arch/i386/config.in  > kconfig.tmp
> cat header.tk >> ./kconfig.tk
> cat kconfig.tmp >> kconfig.tk
> rm -f kconfig.tmp
> echo "set defaults \"arch/i386/defconfig\"" >> kconfig.tk
> cat tail.tk >> kconfig.tk
> chmod 755 kconfig.tk
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/scripts'
> wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk
> WARNING - broken Config.in!  CONFIG_AEDSP16 was not declared!
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'
> Compiling Sound Driver v 3.5.5-beta1 for Linux
> rm -f configure
> gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/include -o configure configure.c
> ./configure fixedlocal > local.h
> ./configure fixeddefines > .defines
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.12/drivers/sound'
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Richard G. Roberto
> richr@bear.com
> 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
>
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> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:46:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Richard G. Roberto" <richr@tiberius>
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> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Warining from make xconfig ...
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I get this warning message when I run make xconfig to setup
> my kernel .config file prior to compiling.  It doesn't seem
> to bother anything, but I figured I ask if anyone else has
> seen it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard G. Roberto
> richr@bear.com
> 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
>
>
>
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My system's been running for about a week. I've started to notice lots of
runq zombies (from smail, I guess):

 FLAGS   UID   PID  PPID PRI  NI   SIZE   RSS WCHAN       STA TTY TIME COMMAND
100040     0 10843     1   0   0   1068    48  11543d     S   ?   0:00 (runq)
100040     0 11188     1   0   0   1068    48  11543d     S   ?   0:00 (runq)
100040     0 11768     1   0   0   1068   180  11543d     S   ?   0:00 (runq)
100300     0 10841 10839   0   0      0     0  11510f     Z   ?   0:00 (runq <zombie>)
100040     0 10844 10843   0   0   1184    52  110334     S   ?   0:00 (runq)
100300     0 11186 11184   0   0      0     0  11510f     Z   ?   0:00 (runq <zombie>)
100140     0 11734 11188   0   0   1180   288  110334     S   ?   0:00 runq 
100300     0 11766 11764   0   0      0     0  11510f     Z   ?   0:00 (runq <zombie>)
100040     0 11770 11768   0   0   1180   288  110334     S   ?   0:00 runq 

I was able to get rid of killing the zombies by killing runq processes
that were their parent(?) processes. Anyone else seen lots of runq
zombies?

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> How does one make "slight modifications" to a debian package?  What is
> a debian package?  Is it really just a gzipped, tarred file?  What are
> the important components?

You can grab the package source and edit it from there.  Please DON'T do
this, though.  I try to keep up and a short note to me telling me that
a newer version is available will usually get it available within a couple
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> Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.

Actually, there is a "Good Times" virus and it does come by email.
The announcement itself _is_ the virus and it spreads _exteremely_
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For more information, check out the following FAQ:

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  Bill Roman writes:
  Bill>  Why doesn't `ifconfig dummy songdog' work?  It tells me:
  Bill> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device

Try
	ifconfig dummy0 <hostname>
	route add <hostname> 

and if you use kerneld to load modules, add this in /etc/conf.modules:

	alias   dummy0  dummy    

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You gotta tell it which dummy:

ifconfig dummy0 songdog

-Larry

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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:31:49 PDT keng@hybrid.com wrote:

> Hello;
> 
> After messing up my XDM and essentially locking myself
> out of my system for a while, I have become interested
> in setting up my ethernet card from a startup script.
> 
> Does one put the ifconfig and route statements in the usual
> rc.inet1 and reference it somehow from rc6.d, or what?
> 
> I appreciate any suggestions here; the NET-2 HOWTO seems to be 
> geared toward the Slackware kind of system.

In a Debian system, these statements should go into /etc/init.d/network.
It contains a small script to be customized.
Here's a copy of mine:

#!/bin/sh
ifconfig lo localhost
route add -net localnet
IPADDR=207.104.147.129
NETMASK=255.255.255.248
NETWORK=207.104.147.128
BROADCAST=207.104.147.136
GATEWAY=none
INTERFACE=dummy0

[ $INTERFACE != none ] && \
    ifconfig $INTERFACE ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST} &&\
    route add -net ${NETWORK}
[ $GATEWAY != none ] && route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1

Note that I have no default gateway (diald sets up its own).

Phil.



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I hope someone here can give me some advice.  I have set up diald
correctly (i think), and it works pretty well, but there are a couple
disturbing messages I get consitantly on the syslog:

Aug 17 18:40:51 sigma pppd[341]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 17 18:40:51 sigma pppd[341]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
Aug 17 18:41:00 sigma pppd[341]: local  IP address 199.184.183.43
Aug 17 18:41:00 sigma pppd[341]: remote IP address 199.184.183.42
Aug 17 18:41:03 sigma diald[219]: PPP network layer died, but link did
not. Probable configuration error.
Aug 17 18:41:05 sigma diald[219]: Nonzero exit status (7) on command
'/sbin/route add default gw 199.184.182.42 metric 2000 dev sl0'

Specifically, the 'network layer died' line and the 'Nonzero exit
status' lines concern me.  Does anyone know what I have done wrong or
what I should do to fix this.  Like I said, even with these errors,
the net comes up ok.  I would just like to get rid of the errors so I
can sleep better at night.

Thanks,
Erv Walter
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Your system has now been infected with the GOOD TIMES virus. Have a nice day!
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Only Kidding!

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Is anyone running StarOffice under Debian?

If so how and where did you get the Motif Libraries?


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Hi Bill!

On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Bill Roman wrote:

> Why doesn't `ifconfig dummy songdog' work?  It tells me:
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> 
> Am I the dummy here?

The same happened to me, until I realized that the interface should be
called 'dummy0' (or 1, 2, etc...)

Bye & Good Luck!

Pablo B.



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In article <199608170631.XAA26276@hybrid.com>,  <keng@hybrid.com> wrote:
>Hello;
>
>After messing up my XDM and essentially locking myself
>out of my system for a while, I have become interested
>in setting up my ethernet card from a startup script.
>
>Does one put the ifconfig and route statements in the usual
>rc.inet1

Debian doesn't have a rc.inet1, but something that looks like it:
/etc/init.d/network

> and reference it somehow from rc6.d, or what?

rc6.d? That would be the reboot runlevel. Somehow I don't think that's
what you want :) But seriously, just put your commands in /etc/init.d/network
and they will be executed at boot time.

>I appreciate any suggestions here; the NET-2 HOWTO seems to be 
>geared toward the Slackware kind of system.

Alas, yes.

Mike.
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Bill Roman writes:
> 
> Why doesn't `ifconfig dummy songdog' work?  It tells me:
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device

Try dummy0 instead!

Michael

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I am installing debian 1.1.1 from the August Pacific Hi Tech CD on my Gateway
200 PS-60.

Things go OK until I try to add the cdu31a module to support the CDU33A CDROM
drive in the Gateway: it fails to insert.

The drive is defaulted onto 0x340; when I try to add a parameter to the module
insertion it either fails the same way or gives me an invalid parameter
message.

So perhaps I am providing the parameter in the wrong format (could not find any
documentation with the distribution on the format of module parameters) - or
something else is wrong.

Everything works OK using Slackware 3.0 kernel 1.2.13 with cdu31a support in
the kernel.

Thanks,
Michael Laing


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I previously wrote:

> Installation fails on this old machine shortly after hitting return at the
> 'Boot Parameters' prompt using the standard bootdisk. Linux 1.2.13 runs fine.

Additional info: after hitting return I get from 3 to 6 dots and then a 'bad
disk' message.

The disk is not bad, however.

I divine from the messages I have seen that this is a problem with the boot
loader on the boot disk, not linux. Also, that disabling cache may work to get
by this problem.

Unfortunately, disabling cache did not work.

This machine is old but useful. I am helping a school district in Maine which
has many such old machines and will likely be donated a lot more. We are trying
to standardize on Debian so that the 20 to 50 people involved in support across
the 10 buildings and 200 square miles of the district will have a common
approach.

The easy thing to do would be to upgrade the motherboard. Anyone have any other
suggestions?

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Michael Laing


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On 01:10:00 bruce@pixar.com wrote:
>>Your system has now been infected with the GOOD TIMES virus. Have a nice day!
>--
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>            Please register to vote, and vote for Democrats.
>Bruce Perens AB6YM          Bruce@Pixar.com            http://www.hams.com/

You're right about that; Clinton IS a VIRUS!

Please register AND Vote.  For the sake of the country, NOT for Clinton!

Paul


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On 01:15:00 bruce@pixar.com wrote:
>>Only Kidding!
>
>	Bruce
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>            Please register to vote, and vote for Democrats.
>Bruce Perens AB6YM          Bruce@Pixar.com            http://www.hams.com/


I'm not kiddking!  He IS a VIRUS!

;-)
Paul


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Debian guru's, 

Here I am again in need of some assistance with this new release.  I've
been using NFS over a SLIP link to my laptop to access resources on the
Debian box (like the CDROM, etc) with the R6 distribution for several
months.  Now, with 1.1 my laptop and another machine both using MiniLinux
I keep getting the following message when trying to NFS mount any of the
exported filesystems.

	mount clntupd_create: RPC: Program not registered

What's going on here?  I've checked the /etc/rpc file, and they're almost
identical on the two machines.  Have I forgotten to move something from
the old R6 system to the new one, or is there something else I need to be
doing to have this work?  I've copied the /etc/hosts.allow, hosts.deny and
so on from the R6 system.  To make matters worse, it DOES NOT ALWAYS NOT
WORK!  I understand this may not be (or is it probably not) strictly a
Deb1.1 issue, but was hoping to here something from the collective wisdom
here that might help.

Thanks
Paul



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Hakan Ardo writes:
> 
> I'm trying to use lyx, and it works fine untill it invokes latex. Then it 
> seems to be using some fonts that I have not installed. Where can I find those 
> fonts (listed below)? Acording to /usr/doc/lyx/debian.README.gz, ther should 
> also excist "* several manpages", of which I can find non. I am using the 

Sorry, there's only one: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/lyx.1.gz.

> MakeTeXTFM dcr1000.tfm 
> ...

What Latex installation do you have? I assume you're using mfbasfnt >1.0-4.
If so the missing dc fonts are not suprising. They aren't in mfbasfmt
anymore but are seperately packaged in mfdcfnt, which unfortunately is
non-free.

Michael

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I just noticed that my /var/tmp directory contains:
12784   base-tmp-6491
2       extract-tmp-10628
2       extract-tmp-10702
1       extract-tmp-6127
1       extract-tmp-6208
1       extract-tmp-6289
7676    partial-tmp-6491

What creates those directories, and can I erase them?

TIA,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi!

I just rewrote my pe program and made a debian package. Here is what it's
for:

       pe is meant to be a simple replacement for cron(8) on sys=AD
       tems that don't run 24 hours a day. On such  systems,  you
       can't  normally specify a certain time when a job is to be
       executed. If you use pe you don't specify a time to run  a
       command but how often the command should be executed. This
       period is given in days.

       Normally, pe is started after bootup. Since  you  probably
       don't want all your jobs running at the same time directly
       after bootup (that's the time when you normally log in and
       start  your  programs) you can specify a delay in minutes.
       pe waits this long before starting your program.

       pe has its own log files the tell it, when the  jobs  were
       executed  last  time so it always knows, which jobs it has
       to run.

       Best way of using pe is to add a cron entry that starts pe
       right  after  midnight,  so in case your system is running
       for several days, the jobs still get executed on the right
       intervall.

If this is useful for others too, I want to include it in the Debian
distribution. I just tried to upload it to ftp.debian.org, but there is a
note, that uploads should go to the /home/Debian/... directory which
doesn't exist and I didn't had permissions to enter the
/pub/debian/project/Incoming directory.

So for now I had just placed it on my web space. Every one can get it via
=09http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/pe_0.2-1_all.deb
and the source is
=09http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/pe_0.2-1.tar.gz

Just contact me about bugs, spelling or grammar errors, or about any
future enhancements.


It would be nice if someone can give me some hints about how it can be
included in the main distrib. Yes, I read all the FAQs/HOWTOs but they
seem pretty old and I didn't find any information.


Cheers,

Chris

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From: "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net>
> I just noticed that my /var/tmp directory contains:
> 12784   base-tmp-6491
> 2       extract-tmp-10628
> 2       extract-tmp-10702
> 1       extract-tmp-6127
> 1       extract-tmp-6208
> 1       extract-tmp-6289
> 7676    partial-tmp-6491
> What creates those directories, and can I erase them?

My boot-floppy creation scripts. Blow them away.

	Bruce
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From: Michael_Laing@Harvard.edu
> Things go OK until I try to add the cdu31a module to support the CDU33A CDROM
> drive in the Gateway: it fails to insert.
> The drive is defaulted onto 0x340; when I try to add a parameter to the module
> insertion it either fails the same way or gives me an invalid parameter
> message.

Use the argument "cdu31a_port=0x340" when you install the module. It also
understands "cdu31a_irx=N".

	Bruce
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> You're right about that; Clinton IS a VIRUS!

OK, I deserved that. Now let's go on with the software work.

	Bruce
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In my original installation, I incorrectly selected sendmail (among 
other things <g>) to be installed.  Upon further investigation, smail 
would appear to be the preferred mail transport device.

However, dselect/dpkg refuses to remove it, or any part of it.  
"smail not installed, cannot remove sendmail"  is part of the error 
message.  Conversely, attempting to install smail generates the same 
type errors..

Can anyone help with this?

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I've been having a lot of problems with my SCSI tape drive in the
past week or so ("Unrecognizable archive", etc.).  Another user
also told me in private email that he'd also been having trouble with 
his SCSI tape drive.  (I have an Exabyte 8505; I do not know what kind of 
SCSI tape drive the other user had.  I do not know if these problems occur
with DATs.)

Dirk Eddelbuettel kindly suggested today that I try the new (2.0.13)
kernel.   I took his advice and it worked.  (Nothing new there!)  

Suggestion:  if you have a SCSI tape drive, you might wish to check that 
you can read from it, and/or you might wish to upgrade your kernel.

Susan Kleinmann


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         2> Here is my diald line:
>                diald /dev/ttyS0 -m slip local 192.168.86.20 remote 10.0.2.15\
>                defaultroute modem crtscts connect "chat -f /etc/slipchat: mtu\
>                1024

I've not done this with SLIP, but I assume it's similar to PPP... Anyhow, a few
things you might check:

        1. Not to be picky, but I noticed there's no closing quotes on the
'chat' section of your diald line.. Is that supposed to be that way? May wanna
check it. 
        2. Do you have a dynamic IP address at your ISP? This was the case with
my account and was causing a problem very much like yours.
        3. Can your ISP accept a PPP connection? From what I understand, if
you do have a dynamic IP address, it can be dealt with more easily from PPP,
though
it is possible with SLIP I think.

Just my 2 cents.. Hope it helps!

Tim


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Hi Michael!

On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 Michael_Laing@harvard.edu wrote:

> The drive is defaulted onto 0x340; when I try to add a parameter to the module
> insertion it either fails the same way or gives me an invalid parameter
> message.

Have you tried with the following parameter?

cdu31a_port=0x340

Bye & Good Luck!

Pablo B.


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John Houwen wrote:
> 
> In my original installation, I incorrectly selected sendmail (among
> other things <g>) to be installed.  Upon further investigation, smail
> would appear to be the preferred mail transport device.
> 
> However, dselect/dpkg refuses to remove it, or any part of it.
> "smail not installed, cannot remove sendmail"  is part of the error
> message.  Conversely, attempting to install smail generates the same
> type errors..
> 
> Can anyone help with this?
> 
> ************************************************************
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> 

Sounds strange. Anyway, the simplest way would probably be to
install smail, and then remove sendmail :-)


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On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, John Houwen wrote:

> In my original installation, I incorrectly selected sendmail (among 
> other things <g>) to be installed.  Upon further investigation, smail 
> would appear to be the preferred mail transport device.
> 
> However, dselect/dpkg refuses to remove it, or any part of it.  
> "smail not installed, cannot remove sendmail"  is part of the error 
> message.  Conversely, attempting to install smail generates the same 
> type errors..
> 
> Can anyone help with this?
> 
Did you try dpkg with the --force-depends?

Dwarf

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>Your system has now been infected with the GOOD TIMES virus. Have a nice day!
>--
>       Clinton isn't perfect, but I like him a lot more than Dole.
>            Please register to vote, and vote for Democrats.
>Bruce Perens AB6YM          Bruce@Pixar.com            http://www.hams.com/

Goodtimes isn't real. And Clinton is not sincere. Not to mention, your
message doesn't contain enough relevant packet data to infect this system,
even if an undecoded E-mail file COULD infect my computer... Which it can't. 

Now let's just quit this silliness and get back to figgerin out the mysteries 
of linux!

Tim



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>Use the argument "cdu31a_port=0x340" when you install the module. It also
>understands "cdu31a_irx=N".

May I ask, in all seriousness, and without a trace of sarcasm, where in the
world (BUT preferably in the Debian installation instructions) one is
expected to find this information?  I was used to the old
"cdu31a=0xPORT,IRQ" syntax from the boot prompt, or as an "append=..." line
in /etc/lilo.conf....


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Sorry to bother again, but I am looking for a pcmcia package for kernel
2.0.6/  the one I found is only compiled for kernel 2.0.7 which is is
/debian/rex/admin.

Where can I get the 2.0.6 compiled pcmcia package?

Thanks in advance

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From: rhl@CAM.ORG (renald loignon)
> May I ask, in all seriousness, and without a trace of sarcasm, where in the
> world (BUT preferably in the Debian installation instructions) one is
> expected to find this information?  I was used to the old
> "cdu31a=0xPORT,IRQ" syntax from the boot prompt, or as an "append=..." line
> in /etc/lilo.conf....

I don't see that it is documented at all outside of the kernel source.
And if you think that this is a serious problem in Debian, it is. And it's
not going to be helped unless more people like you volunteer to work on the
documentation.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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Hi - just a little note to say that I solved the problem with getting
X to work with gpm still running.

You may recall I posted, complaining that I had to kill gpm before I
could get X to run.  I solved the problem by changing the mouse device
over to /dev/ttyS0 (whereas before it was /dev/cua0).  Now things work
fine!

Am I right in thinking that the cua devices are now obsolete and that
ttyS devices are the way to go?

Mark.


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Mark Phillips writes:
> 
> You may recall I posted, complaining that I had to kill gpm before I
> could get X to run.  I solved the problem by changing the mouse device
> over to /dev/ttyS0 (whereas before it was /dev/cua0).  Now things work
> fine!
> 
> Am I right in thinking that the cua devices are now obsolete and that
> ttyS devices are the way to go?
> 
> Mark.

This is sort of right.  /dev/cuaxxx are in most cases the wrong choice
because they implement kernel level locking.  What was happening was
that once one process (gpm) opens /dev/cua0, the kernel does not allow
another process (X) to use the same device.  The /dev/ttySxx are
specifically not designed this way.  They are designed with the idea
that intelligent programs will take care of their own locking (which
gpm and X do nicely) so more than one program can share the same
devices.

Erv

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Mark Phillips <mark@maths.flinders.edu.au> writes:

> Am I right in thinking that the cua devices are now obsolete and that
> ttyS devices are the way to go?

That's what I was told.  I found that switching solved my modem
problems.

--
Rob


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My number one stumbling block with Linux seems to be making it boot.

I've a kernel on the /dev/sda2 partition in the /boot directory,
and it's called vmlinuz.   My boot partition doesn't seem to be set
correctly, because it's not booting /dev/sda2 as root.  Instead, it
displays "Loading Linux ....", then "boot: " and then 
"Loading Linux ...." again in an endless loop.  I've read about lilo,
and the lilo.conf file, but am not sure how to get the boot sector
configured correctly if I can't boot.   Is there any solution to this
dilema?

Charles


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> You may recall I posted, complaining that I had to kill gpm before I
> could get X to run.  I solved the problem by changing the mouse device
> over to /dev/ttyS0 (whereas before it was /dev/cua0).  Now things work
> fine!
> 
> Am I right in thinking that the cua devices are now obsolete and that
> ttyS devices are the way to go?

I can't get my logitech serial mouse to work under X on any of the three
machines where I've attempted to use X.

Should I "ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/mouse" if my serial mouse is connected to
the first serial port?

Charles


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I've debianized Imagemagick and contacted Bruce for transfering it 
to the
ftp archive. In the meantime, you can get it from anonymous ftp from
ftp://ftp.fifi.org/pub/debian
There are three packages:
	o imagemagick (executables with shared library)
	o imagemagick-dev (include files, little use)
	o imagemagick-doc (html pages you can find at 
		http://www.wizards.dupont.com/cristy/ImageMagick.html)

The packages requireone library (libpng1) which is not included in 
Debian-1.1. 
You can retrieve it from ftp.debian.org as usual.

Package: imagemagick
Version: 3.7.5-1
Architecture: i386
Maintainer: Philippe Troin <phil@fifi.org>
Priority: extra
Section: non-free
Provides: X11-image-viewer
Suggests: imagemagick-doc, imagemagick-dev
Depends: X11R6, elf-x11r6lib, libtiff3, libjpeg6a, libpng1
Description: Image manipulation programs.
  Imagemagick is a set of programs to manipulate various image formats
  (JPEG, TIFF, PhotoCD, PBM, XPM, etc...). All manipulations can
  be achieved through shell commands as well as through a X11 graphical
  interface (display).
  .
  Possible effects: colormap manipulation, channel operations, thumbnail
  creation, image annotation, limited drawing, image distortion, etc...
  .
  The creators of the GIF format require the following 
  acknowledgement:
  .
  The Graphics Interchange Format(c) is the Copyright property of
  CompuServe Incorporated. GIF(sm) is a Service Mark property of
  CompuServe Incorporated.

Package: imagemagick-dev
Version: 3.7.5-1
Architecture: i386
Maintainer: Philippe Troin <phil@fifi.org>
Priority: extra
Section: non-free
Depends: imagemagick
Description: Image manipulation programs development kit.
  This the ImageMagick development toolkit (non-shared library & include
  files). There is currently no documentation for the libMagick routines.
  .
  The creators of the GIF format require the following 
  acknowledgement:
  .
  The Graphics Interchange Format(c) is the Copyright property of
  CompuServe Incorporated. GIF(sm) is a Service Mark property of
  CompuServe Incorporated.

Package: imagemagick-doc
Version: 3.7.5-1
Architecture: all
Maintainer: Philippe Troin <phil@fifi.org>
Priority: extra
Section: non-free
Depends: imagemagick
Description: Documentation (HTML pages) for ImageMagick.
  Copy of the ImageMagick web site.

-- 
Phil.



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   Here's a message that I originally sent to some Linux ISP mailing
lists.  I believe that it may be suitable for this list.

  Russell Coker

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In <1.5.4.16.19960817015628.2277aa50@mail.3wave.com>, on 08/17/96 at 01:57
AM,
   Mark Lane <mlane@3wave.com> said:

  I am having a problem which may be related.  I'm running a small ISP and
an Internet cafe.  I have 2 servers a Debian system and a Slackware
system.  Dial-up users who are unfortunate enough to be using Windows 3.1
and trumpet or Win95 are the only ones affected (users of OS/2, Linux, and
NT have no problems).  What happens is that when they establish a TCP
connection to the debian system data will be transferred very slowly.  I
have both the Slackware and Debian systems running as PPP servers and no
matter which one the poor Windows user connects to they will get very poor
throughput when transferring data to the Debian system.  So if a user
connects via PPP to the Debian system and then transfers data to the
Slackware system then everything will be fine.  Obviously the Debian
system is routing IP packets correctly, but there is some problem with TCP
(could be MSS).
   I have taken the Debian system from version 0.96R3 (a.out) with kernel
~1.3.60 to 1.1 (ELF) with kernel 2.0.13 and it made no difference.  If you
know what I could do (or even some useful tests I could run to get more
information) then please let me know.

>        I recently installed a Debian 1.1 system with the 2.0.6 kernel. 
>I couldn't have asked for a smoother install from a Windoze package, so
>kudos to the development team!  Had one glitch with Majordomo 1.93, but
>that's another e-mail sometime :)  Now, onto the real problem....
>        I am having problems accessing data (ie. mail, web, etc.) on a
>pre-existing (prehistoric?) Slakware 1.2.8 host from Mac/FreePPP and 
>Win95 PPP clients of the Debian  host.  Win31/Trumpet clients work just 
>fine.  For example, I can establish a PPP connection from a Win95 client
>into the Debian box, TELNET into the Slakware box, type 'ls /tmp', and
>get a file  listing (only a few files).  However, if I transfer more data
>(ie.'ls /etc' or 'w'), 
>the output hangs.  I cannot retrieve web pages from the Slakware server,
>nor access mailboxes NFS-mounted on Debian from Slakware.  Anything  that
>appears to transfer much data back to the PPP client (through  the Debian
>host) hangs.  All this *seems* to work fine going the other way  (PPP to
>Slakware then access Debian), but I haven't tested enough to be  sure (at
>2am things get fuzzy).  I suspect a MTU/MSS problem.
>        The only odd thing I can see is a difference in the maximum
>segment  size on the Debian and Slakware hosts.  Slakware shows MTU of
>576 and MSS of 512 for PPP devices, where Debian shows 576 for both. 
>Same for the ethernet device (1500MTU on both, 1436MSS on Slakware and
>1500MSS on Debian).  I used ifconfig to change the MSS on Debian's eth0
>device (didn't know how to do the same on PPP devices) and recompiled the
> kernel to disable MTU path disocovery to no avail.  I'm at a loss, and
>hope  someone on this list has already come across this.  I can send any
>configs  or test results necessary to diagnosis.  I'd sure appreciate any
>insight out  there on this!
>                                                                        Th
>k you,
>                                                                        Ma



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>3rd Wave Technologies           |
>Phone/FAX: (423) 652-6090       |


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> Goodtimes isn't real. And Clinton is not sincere.

Sorry to jump in here but I can't let this go by.  After watching the
Republicans talk about inclusion as they press to deny benefits to
*legal* aliens and then talk about a balanced budget ammendment as
they again propose budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy I would
have to say:

  Clinton isn't perfectly sincere, but he is a lot more sincere than Dole.


This is not supposed to be a political forum but there is nothing wrong with
personal opinions in a signature.  On the other hand purely political
messages should be avoided. (Note that I just broke my rule.  Sorry again.)

Nathan Salwen


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>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu> writes:

Rob> eck@sc10.dseg.ti.com (Terry Eck) writes:

Rob> Well, I'd like to see the code for the infinite loop that'd melt
Rob> down my processor.  I've written a few in my time (accidentally),
Rob> and the machine's still here.

Well, lucky you. :-)

The issue of destroying a computer through software was once (probably
has been several times) discussed on alt.folklore.computers. 

It is (or rather was) possible, but only in one known case. I do not
remember many details, but some old microcomputer (Commodore of some
sort I believe) allowed you to flip a bit in a register on the video
chip that would cause power to build up somewhere until the chip
eventually died.


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> My number one stumbling block with Linux seems to be making it boot.
>
> I've a kernel on the /dev/sda2 partition in the /boot directory,
> and it's called vmlinuz.   My boot partition doesn't seem to be set
> correctly, because it's not booting /dev/sda2 as root.  Instead, it
> displays "Loading Linux ....", then "boot: " and then 
> "Loading Linux ...." again in an endless loop. 

Is it possible that you have a disk that is bigger than your bios rom
knows how to handle?  Or that you changed the kernel but didn't run lilo
again?


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> I can't get my logitech serial mouse to work under X on any of the three
> machines where I've attempted to use X.
> 
> Should I "ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/mouse" if my serial mouse is connected to
> the first serial port?
>  

Charles

there's certainly no harm in doing that (theres a big difference 
between ttyS0 and ttys0, don't make that mistake)
Are you sure the kernels were configured with serial support?
Have you exhausted the possibilities in the xf86config file?

Regards,
jay


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Trying to install libtiff3-gif says it depends on libtiff3, but the
dependency listing says libtiff3 doesn't appear to be available.
What's the deal here and how can I fix it?

-Larry

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You're quite right, Rob: it /is/ a really bad idea if you don't know
what you're doing. However, we need to bear in mind that:

  (a) packages which control superuser execution are not generally
      found in distributed commercial UNICES (and how many sysadmins
      have the time or the inclination to seek out these packages?);
  (b) it is a valid and extremely useful feature which, like many
      aspects of UNIX, combine power and risk.

Any self-respecting UNIX administrator should make themselves aware of
the potential risks of the commands and facilities that they use. This
understanding is vital when making decisions about reducing risk, and in
knowing which solutions are available.

In this particular case, I agree with Rob that a utility like sudo is
the answer. We are particularly lucky with Linux that we have such a
variety of useful packages available.

Casper Boden-Cummins.
 

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>From: 	Rob Browning[SMTP:osiris@cs.utexas.edu]
>Sent: 	16 August 1996 16:25
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>
>Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk> writes:
>
>> What you need here is to set the setuid bit. Run this command as root:
>> 
>>    chmod +s filename
>
>Not to be nasty, but this is generally a *REALLY BAD IDEA* unless you
>know *exactly* what you are doing.  If "filename" was not designed with
>extremely careful attention to the fact that it's going to be run suid
>root, you can be opening up your system to all kinds of security
>attacks, or accidental disasters by enabling suid root.
>
>I'm talking about attention to things like explicitly setting the
>PATH, checking and setting IFS, etc.  If it's a perl script, using the
>"taint" checks helps, but you have to know enough perl to be able to
>fix the problems it reports.
>
>Don't do this.  Use sudo, super, or some equivalent.
>
>[end preach mode]
>
>--
>Rob
>
>


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In article <32158E44.59BE8EFB@worldnet.fr> mtorr@worldnet.fr wrote:
>Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
>with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
>I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...

I'd suggest not getting a Matrox card -- I believe they're not supported
by XFree86 because Matrox won't release technical details of their
cards. Go for something S3-based instead...

Regards,

Dave Holland


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Christian Schwarz writes:
> I just rewrote my pe program and made a debian package. Here is what it's
> for:
> ...
> If this is useful for others too, I want to include it in the Debian
> distribution. I just tried to upload it to ftp.debian.org, but there is a

The site is master.debian.org anyway. If you have problems like this you
should write to debian-devel not debian.users.

> So for now I had just placed it on my web space. Every one can get it via
> =09http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/pe_0.2-1_all.deb
> and the source is
> =09http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/pe_0.2-1.tar.gz

Unfortunately it's not possible to get them. There's a permission problem.

Michael

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I compiled a custom kernel last night, and made fat, msdos and vfat all
modules. msdos and vfat depend on fat to operate, and it seems that
/etc/modules gets processed later than mounting all file systems;
vfat gets inserted before fat, and hence doesn't work. I notice that
the precompiled Debian kernel compiles FAT support in, not as a module.

Is there any way to fix this for me besides recompiling the kernel?

Also, is a package of a later kernel [2.0.13 for example] in the works,
with NFS fixed? I'm back with 2.0.0 now because I need NFS.



thanks,
Hamish



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Hi Charles --

You asked:
> I can't get my logitech serial mouse to work under X on any of the three
> machines where I've attempted to use X.
> 
> Should I "ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/mouse" if my serial mouse is connected to
> the first serial port?

That ought to work.  

I also have a Logitech serial mouse.  I have the link you mention,
and this is my Pointer section in /etc/X11/XF86Config:

Section "Pointer"
    Protocol    "MouseMan"
    Device      "/dev/mouse"


HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Bruce Perens wrote:
> From: rhl@CAM.ORG (renald loignon)
> > May I ask, in all seriousness, and without a trace of sarcasm, where in the
> > world (BUT preferably in the Debian installation instructions) one is
> > expected to find this information?  I was used to the old
> > "cdu31a=0xPORT,IRQ" syntax from the boot prompt, or as an "append=..." line
> > in /etc/lilo.conf....
> 
> I don't see that it is documented at all outside of the kernel source.

I'm getting confused.  Isn't the purpose of /usr/lib/module_help/arguments
to document the arguments that can be given to a module when it is activated?

?,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hamish Moffatt writes:
> I compiled a custom kernel last night, and made fat, msdos and vfat all
> modules. msdos and vfat depend on fat to operate, and it seems that
> /etc/modules gets processed later than mounting all file systems;

That's what the auto option is for.

> vfat gets inserted before fat, and hence doesn't work. I notice that
> the precompiled Debian kernel compiles FAT support in, not as a module.

Ah, please upgrade to modules_2.0.0-8. There's is a bug in depmod in version
-6 and -7. Unfortunately -8 is still in incoming, but you can get it from
feivel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/debian.incoming.

Michael

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Dave Holland wrote:

Hi Dave,

> I'd suggest not getting a Matrox card -- I believe they're not supported
> by XFree86 because Matrox won't release technical details of their
> cards. Go for something S3-based instead...

True that it isn't supportet by the generic XF86 package but it IS
supportet by the accelerated servers and have a great performance.

The accelerated X servers are commercial though but are effordable !

Greetings,

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> >ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
> >ping: wrote 166.117.11.123 64 chars, ret=-1

> >Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
> >166.117.11.125  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH     1500 0          0 eth0
> >127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U      3584 0          0 lo
There is no default an no net route, therefore the kernel doesnt know how to
reach 166.117.11.123.

Greetings
Bernd


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Hi,

> Please get the actual release of it, the documentation contains a
> paragraph inspired by Ray Dassen that describes how to activate them.
Well, setting LANG works with them, thanks. But I cant find any
documentation in the binary package... (the readme itself desnt contain
anything (btw: it is in german *ugh*)).

Greetings
Bernd


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>>>>> Terry Eck writes:

> I remember reading about this several months ago. It was the opinion
> of most people at the time to be just a joke. Anyone know for sure
> if it is anything other than a joke?  Terry

It is. There is even a FAQ about it.  I will dig out the URL ...

Dominik



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I have just begun using mailagent, and am hoping for some enlightenment
regarding its behaviour.

I fetch mail from my ISP using a line like:
popclient -3 -P ~/.my_password_file my_ISPs_mailhost

This mail is processed by my ~/.rules file, and messages which aren't 
automatically refiled as a result of matching one of the rules are then
stored in the file ~/mbox.sgk, which has the same format as 
/var/spool/mail/sgk.

Then I try to fetch mail messages from mbox.sgk into my MH inbox,
by executing:   
   inc -file ~/mbox.sgk

What's odd is that I often have to execute inc more than 1 time -- sometimes
2 times, to get all the files from mbox.sgk into +inbox.  For example, 
as a result of running popclient, I might see that 4 messages are being
obtained from my ISP.  Then if I run inc -file ~/mbox.sgk, I might see
one mail message (and none have been added to any of the folders that
match my ~/.rules).  If I run inc -file ~/mbox.sgk again, I might see
that same message, plus another 3 messages.  

Another confusing point is that even though my ~/.mh_profile says
   inc: -norpop -truncate -audit audit-file
the file mbox.sgk is not zero'd after I fetch the files in it.

Seeking advice,
Susan Kleinmann


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>I'm trying to figure out why my incoming mail (coming in via uucp) is being
>queued up instead of being delivered straight to my mailbox.

Maybe this happens because of rmail that invokes sendmail with -odq
to explicitly specify queue delivery mode?
Try rmail -T to check the arguments it passes to sendmail.

	Kit.


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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
> with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
> I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...

IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT

If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox 
video card.  They do not work with XFree and probably never will.  

They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the 
only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a 
non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give 
away the source code to your product.  

If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then 
it shouldn't be a problem.  But then again you will have to install it by 
hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know 
about it.

What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a 
rpm --> deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around 
$30-40 and it comes with Metro X.  But if you wan't to be able to get all 
the source code for your programs you are still stuck.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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Absolutely right. Don't go for one of these cards. I spent the best part
of a weekend trying to configure one of these things (including all of
Sat/Sun night), and failed quite dismally. Although it could fall back
to a VGA configuration, the server ran unusably slowly (don't know why).

The trouble is that there is insufficient info available to create a
working XF86Config modeline. Go for something else.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	dave@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk[SMTP:dave@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk]
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>
>In article <32158E44.59BE8EFB@worldnet.fr> mtorr@worldnet.fr wrote:
>>Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
>>with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
>>I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...
>
>I'd suggest not getting a Matrox card -- I believe they're not
>supported
>by XFree86 because Matrox won't release technical details of their
>cards. Go for something S3-based instead...
>
>Regards,
>
>Dave Holland
>
>


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On 17 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Is anyone running StarOffice under Debian?
> 
> If so how and where did you get the Motif Libraries?
> 
I haven't got it running yet,(I have heard that right now it is very buggy) 
but supposdly they include a large set of Motif2.0 in one of the shared 
libraries they include in the program, so all you have to do is install 
it (w/ the StarInst script, I have it if anyone needs it)  and then copy 
the shared library to /usr/X11R6/lib and rename libXm.so.2 and you should 
be fine.  Another way that suppodly works is to get LessTif, but that 
never worked for me because I wasn't able to get ldconfig to recognize 
libXm when I renamed it from libXm.so.0 to libXm.so.2

If anyone knows why that didn't work, I'd appreciate some insight.

Hope this Helps,

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On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Ervin D. Walter wrote:

> Mark Phillips writes:
> > 
> > You may recall I posted, complaining that I had to kill gpm before I
> > could get X to run.  I solved the problem by changing the mouse device
> > over to /dev/ttyS0 (whereas before it was /dev/cua0).  Now things work
> > fine!
> > 
> > Am I right in thinking that the cua devices are now obsolete and that
> > ttyS devices are the way to go?
> > 
> > Mark.
> 
> This is sort of right.  /dev/cuaxxx are in most cases the wrong choice
> because they implement kernel level locking.  What was happening was
> that once one process (gpm) opens /dev/cua0, the kernel does not allow
> another process (X) to use the same device.  The /dev/ttySxx are
> specifically not designed this way.  They are designed with the idea
> that intelligent programs will take care of their own locking (which
> gpm and X do nicely) so more than one program can share the same
> devices.
> 
> Erv
> 
> -- 

Supposdly that should be true, but it seems for some reason, on my 
system, ttyS's also get locked and the only way I can get gpm and X to 
work is to run gpm and gpm -R and point X to /dev/gpmdata and call it a 
MouseSystems mouse.

Shaya
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>>>>> Bill Roman writes:

> Why doesn't `ifconfig dummy songdog' work?  It tells me:
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device

Try 'dummy0' when it is loaded as a module ...

> Am I the dummy here?

No, this one is really a stupid bug (needs just ONE changed line in
the kernel to be fixed!)

Dominik


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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Richard>  Thanks, but I checked into that already too.  There aren't _any_
>   Richard> arguments passable to the module -- only lilo/boot time args to
>   Richard> the kernel.
> 
> Oh, I see. 
> 
> Well, doesn't that give you a reason to modify the source for the driver :-)
> If days had 240 hours...
> 
> --
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
> 

OK.  I did my first kernel driver patch.  It's not generally
useful I'm afraid, but it served my purpose.  I changed the
default addresses for the aha1542 card to 330 and 234.  Now
it works fine.  I'd still like to know why the boot
parameter failed.  Strange ...

Thanks Dirk for the suggestion and support!

Richard G. Roberto
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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
> further.  There is another free sequencer type program for X
> that I found confusing and not generally useful, but someone
> else may.  It's called Rosegarden.
> 

After doing some more research, I found a nasty memory leak
in jazz :-(.  Too bad, I liked the interface!  I have gotten
a little used to Rosegarden and, although it lacks features,
it does play reliably.  I also found that it maintains
playing speed very well.  Other linux X-MIDI software seem
to slow down when you do anything in X! (like move a
window!)

> There's a reference URL at:
> 
> http://www.digiserve.com/ar/linux-snd/
> 
> This has many links to useful places for Linux sound!
> 
> One thing about that HOWTO, though.  I have a true MPU-401
> capable card, so according to the HOWTO and the Readme.cards
> in the kernel sources, I shouldn't have any problems
> enabling this _and_ the audiotrix pro.  But the mpu-401
> driver complains about a conflict.  Also, the 2.0.12 kernel

This still happens, but without the MPU-401 support, I don't
have MIDI capabilities.  It looks like the MPU-401 option is
required for MIDI device support with the audiotrix pro.
This is a funky card and I have lots of hoops to jump
through to get it to work corrctly under DOS/WIN too.  More
on that later ...

> does not have these sound drivers available as modules!  I

As near as I can tell, this stuff gets compiled into the
sound.o module and not the kernel.  Anybody know for sure?

> think I'm going to recompile the kernel without the MPU-401
> driver and see what happens.  I have a few other things to

As I said, I tried it without the MPU-401 part and no midi.
Strangely enough, I couldn't get the MPU-401 device to
initialize correctly, though.  I got the same conflict
message.  But then I used the USS/Linux driver demo to test
the board, it worked!  So I unloaded it and reloaded
sound.o, and bingo:  MPU-401 midi device listed in
/dev/sndstat!  Rosegarden seems to be able to use the wave
table blaster periodically as well!

> do first, but I should get to this this weekend.  I may have
> other news on MIDI/Sound stuff by then as well.  I'll gladly
> share it with the list if it seems useful.

I found the USS/Linux web site that has a handful of tools
on its web pages.  I was unable to access these tools so Dev
at USS/Linux emailed them to me!  He's a really nice guy
who's interested in free software.  He's using a hacked up
slackware distribution for his internal purposes and I
turned him on to Debian.  He said he'd consider upgrading,
but he has a lot of stuff to do first.  I'll keep on him!
He also said that he would give me the sources to his MIDI
apps so I could debianize them!  They currently don't work
with the USS/Lite sound.o module (at least they don't for
me), so I'll have to take a look at getting them to be more
generally useful, but they work pretty well.

They have the timing problem I mentioned above, which needs
to be worked out.  They also don't give per track options
for input/output device selection, which I need.  I'll stay
on top of this as much as I can, but I'm really behind in so
many things that it may take a while.  I'm getting ready to
move half way across the world in three weeks from now!

I think this is an area that needs more attention than I'm
currently capable of giving it, but I'm the one in need, so
I guess I get the job ...

Thanks!

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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> As near as I can tell from examining various FAQs, there is no support
> for maintaining clients with a read-only, NFS-mounted "/usr"
> partition.  The only current solution seems to be: (i) install a
> complete system on the server and a base system on the client;
> (ii) remove the client "/usr" partition and mount the server "/usr" in
> its place; (iii) configure the client's packages by hand.

Well, as far as I (and about 5 happy clients (who mount /usr from
my servre) can see, you're somewhat wrong.

The only trouble is /etc: it has to be mounted rw (/etc/mounts, and
/etc/ld.so.cach), and has to have some files different from
the server (like /etc/init.d/network, setting up different IP numbers).

But on the /usr side, its all _very_ easy!

Contact me if you have problems.

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 Michael> Hamish Moffatt writes:
 >> I compiled a custom kernel last night, and made fat, msdos and vfat all
 >> modules. msdos and vfat depend on fat to operate, and it seems that
 >> /etc/modules gets processed later than mounting all file systems;

 Michael> That's what the auto option is for.

 >> vfat gets inserted before fat, and hence doesn't work. I notice that the
 >> precompiled Debian kernel compiles FAT support in, not as a module.

 Michael> Ah, please upgrade to modules_2.0.0-8. There's is a bug in depmod in
 Michael> version -6 and -7. Unfortunately -8 is still in incoming, but you can
 Michael> get it from feivel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/debian.incoming.

Thanks to both of you! I have the same problem and didn't dare to ask. 'will
report in case this doesn't work though. 

Since I'm there: `ps` is also broken in my custom 2.0.0 kernel. It complains
about being unable to find libproc.so. Any chance this may be cured at the same
time? I got into the trouble of making a custom kernel because of the PS/2
mouse problem amply mentionned before...


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joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl (joost witteveen) writes:
| 
| > As near as I can tell from examining various FAQs, there is no support
| > for maintaining clients with a read-only, NFS-mounted "/usr"
| > partition.  The only current solution seems to be: (i) install a
| > complete system on the server and a base system on the client;
| > (ii) remove the client "/usr" partition and mount the server "/usr" in
| > its place; (iii) configure the client's packages by hand.
| 
| Well, as far as I (and about 5 happy clients (who mount /usr from
| my servre) can see, you're somewhat wrong.

I don't mean to be ungrateful, but your message doesn't shed much
light on the issue.  Perhaps you could supply a bit more detail?

How do you install/configure packages on the client side?  How do you
synchronize package installation and upgrades between the server and
the client?  How does your solution differ from my proposed (and in my
opinion, pretty bad) solution---that is, how do you avoid configuring
the client's packages by hand?

| The only trouble is /etc: it has to be mounted rw (/etc/mounts, and
| /etc/ld.so.cach), and has to have some files different from
| the server (like /etc/init.d/network, setting up different IP numbers).
| 
| But on the /usr side, its all _very_ easy!

Well, yes, but I already knew that.  I want to know what you *do* for
the client "/etc" partitions?  Do you run a nightly script to update
the client's "/etc"?  How does your script determine what should and
shouldn't be overwritten in "/etc"?

Kevin <buhr@stat.wisc.edu>

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>Hi Tim,
>        Thanks for responding. The closing quotes is a typo. ( Sorry ). Yes
>my ISP uses dynamic IP's. The problem is the system never dials out. The

Ok, find out from your ISP if they can handle PPP. You might want to consider
PPP since by my understanding, it can negotiate a dynamic IP address with 
relative ease.

I assume you are set up to the point that you can manually connect to the
net with the Linux box, and that diald is the only problem, right? 

Try adding this to the end of your diald command line: 

        -daemon

It will appear like it's just hung and doing nothing, but don't worry. (You've
just started a daemon but not let it go into the background).

After that, use a different virtual console and log in and telnet somewhere 
that's not on the local lan. After issuing the telnet command, go back to 
the original virtual console and let me know what messages it gives. I have 
a feeling you might see something like 

Connecting 
connect: script failed
waiting 30 seconds for clear to dial 

Anyhow, let me know what happens!

Tim

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Hello,

I need to buy and install an 8mm tape system for our debian systems.
If you happen to have one up and running, could you drop me a note
telling me things like:

	- Tape system brand name,
	- Connection type (serial/parallel port, internal, etc.),
	- Software used to access the tape (I only see something called
	  "taper" in the debian distribution),
	- Any other info that could guide me.

Thank you,

Pedro Ivan
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On Aug 16,  4:44pm, Robbie Honerkamp wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]
:
: Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.
:
>-- End of excerpt from Robbie Honerkamp

Actually, that depends upon your E'mail system.  Microsoft mail allows
you to send macros along with messages.  These macros are automatically
run when the message is read.  I have first-hand experience with a
"virus" (actually, a destructive macro) that was transmitted this way.

...but that's a hole in Microsoft mail.  Obviously, this kind of thing
could not be done via the standard Unix mail system (unless you had a
MIME-aware mail reader that was willing to run Java code for you...
Oooops!)

Chris -)-----

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I had a nasty surprise using ftape to dump my filesystems for archival
right before repartitioning my hard drive.  I wanted to let people
know about this in case they were not already aware.

If you plan to dump several filesystems to one tape (that is, more than
one session on a tape) you need to erase the tape using mt FIRST!!!
Otherwise you will not be able to read any sessions beyond the first.

There were only two sessions on my tape.  Sadly, the second session
contained the /usr filesystem, so I lost everything :(

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Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk> writes:

>   (a) packages which control superuser execution are not generally
>       found in distributed commercial UNICES (and how many sysadmins
>       have the time or the inclination to seek out these packages?);

Hmm, I hadn't thought about that.  Ok, interesting consideration.

--
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Hi, I have a strange problem with two Elonex 486 machines running Linux (a
486/25 and a 486/33). The internal timer sometimes start running at double
speed, so that the time of the day is wrong. If I turn them off and on
the timer works fine, maybe for a week or two, maybe just for one hour,
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It looks like if the timer is reprogrammed with some wrong value. Has
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"Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net> writes:

> I have just begun using mailagent, and am hoping for some enlightenment
> regarding its behaviour.

I am, too, so I hope if you receive private replies you will enlighten me.
> 
> Then I try to fetch mail messages from mbox.sgk into my MH inbox,
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>    inc -file ~/mbox.sgk
 
I'm certain I'm more confused than you are, but is it not true that by
using mailagent wisely one should be able to avoid the use of inc
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Hi Michael --

You said:
> ... is it not true that by using mailagent wisely one should be able 
> to avoid the use of inc altogether?

I've been tip-toeing my way forward with mailagent.  My ~/.rules file
currently disposes of only a few of the mailing lists I'm on,
and only those for which I don't get much mail, and I have already
learned from some mistakes I made in it.  As you probably know,
mailagent places messages that aren't matched by anything in ~/.rules
into a mailbox-style file, which must be inc'd in order to be used by MH.  

Yes, I can now write a ~/.rules file that would automatically move 
otherwise-unmatched files into +inbox.  But the fact that I've now seen
mailagent + MH do at least one simple operation in an unexpected and 
unpredicatble way suggests to me that simply refiling unmatched messages
just papers over a flaw which will reveal itself later as a loss of mail.

Dubious (but marginally open-minded),
Susan



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> > Goodtimes isn't real. And Clinton is not sincere.

Guys, please take it elsewhere!

> (Note that I just broke my rule.  Sorry again.)

Then why did you do it?

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
> > with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
> > I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...
> 
> IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
> 
> If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox 
> video card.  They do not work with XFree and probably never will.  

I'm not sure this is true.  What source gave you that
information?

> 
> They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the 
> only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a 
> non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give 
> away the source code to your product.  
> 
> If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then 
> it shouldn't be a problem.  But then again you will have to install it by 
> hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know 
> about it.
> 
> What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a 
> rpm --> deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around 
> $30-40 and it comes with Metro X.  But if you wan't to be able to get all 
> the source code for your programs you are still stuck.

Now I'm pretty sure this is not true.  Last time I checked,
redhat linux came with a beta version of the Metro X
software that was pretty buggy and very slow.  The same beta
was available from Metro X directly as well.  You don't have
to get it in .rpm format.  Accelerated X has a demo of their
server available too, and I don't think theirs is beta.

> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Shaya

You may be right on both counts, but I'd still like to be
sure.  Please let us know.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

>> Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
>> with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
>> I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...

>From experience Cirrus cards and chipsets work very well with XFree86, and
I would tend to recommend them.

>If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox 
>video card.  They do not work with XFree and probably never will.  
>They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the 
>only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a 
>non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give 
>away the source code to your product.  
>If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then 
>it shouldn't be a problem.  But then again you will have to install it by 
>hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know 
>about it.
>What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a 
>rpm --> deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around 
>$30-40 and it comes with Metro X.  But if you wan't to be able to get all 
>the source code for your programs you are still stuck.


Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the
drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use
this to tell what card to get ;)


-Barry Hughes

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If you have had trouble booting from the installation floppy (created
from boot1440.bin or boot1200.bin), please help me out.

I have been researching the problem (thanks to Bruce Perens for help
and guidance), and I would now like to pinpoint a specific hardware
incompatibility, if one exists.  Hopefully, this will suggest a fix for
the problem, or at least allow us to warn others.

The problem:  On some systems, using the Debian Installation Boot Disk,
  the linux kernel fails to decompress.  (This happens *after* you have
  pressed <return> in response to the 'boot:' prompt.)

Typical solutions:  This problem is often avoided by turning off the
  level one and/or level two cache.  Others have also suggested
  reducing the clock speed, or increasing the wait states.

If you have experienced this, I would like to know:

  * Your CPU type.
  * Your floppy controller.
  * Your solution.
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  Three weeks ago I finally got Debian Linux 1.1 up and running rock solid on
my 486 DX4-100. Well, a week ago I upgraded to Pentium and couldn't wait to
see Linux performance boot, but... Continuous *random* crashes. I thought I'd
re-install, but the installation broke as well... for many times. When I got
through the installation (once), the thing broke while setting the root pass-
word. The crashes are trully random, the only thing I noticed is that it
always breaks when HD is accessed. I thought it was because the partition
was above the 528 Mb limit, then I moved it down, but nothing changed.
Here's my setup:

CPU: Intel Pentium 120 MHz
m/b chipset: Intel 430FX (Triton)
BIOS: Award 4.51PG with Pnp extension 1.0A
HDD: WD Caviar AC21200

I never heard of Triton related problems with Linux, actually the 486 I had
before had buggy CMD 640B and I got past that, but now... Maybe it's PnP BIOS
or some other weird BIOS Setup setting or maybe it's that my HDD is set to
LBA mode... Or maybe it's something in the Debian Linux configuration? I 
tried both versions that install kernel 2.0.0 and 2.0.6, both break. I 
installed from floppies BTW.

Please help me, I got the taste with the 486 and now I want a full 
satisfaction with my Pentium. I love Linux. I've downloaded LOADS of stuff
ready to be installed, just need to get the base system running... 

*PLEASE* write to me directly as I am not subscribed to the list.
Please help me if you have experienced similar problems. Is my hardware 
defective? Windows and DOS run well (as well as Win and DOS can run anyway).
I know people are very friendly on this list, last time someone mailed me
the kernel with CMD 640 support the very next day. PLEASE HELP ME, I REALLY
WANT LINUX....

Martynas


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
> > > with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
> > > I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...
> > 
> > IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
> > 
> > If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox 
> > video card.  They do not work with XFree and probably never will.  
> 
> I'm not sure this is true.  What source gave you that
> information?
> 
Put it this way, from what I have read on usenet, and have been told from 
friends who have called Matrox, they do not intend ever to give out the 
information needed to program their cards without a non-disclosure 
agreement.  However, they could do the samething Diamond did after many 
people complained to them about the practice and change their policy 
toward Linux.  But as I said before, Matrox seems pretty set in their 
ways right now.

> > 
> > They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the 
> > only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a 
> > non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give 
> > away the source code to your product.  
> > 
> > If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then 
> > it shouldn't be a problem.  But then again you will have to install it by 
> > hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know 
> > about it.
> > 
> > What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a 
> > rpm --> deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around 
> > $30-40 and it comes with Metro X.  But if you wan't to be able to get all 
> > the source code for your programs you are still stuck.
> 
> Now I'm pretty sure this is not true.  Last time I checked,
> redhat linux came with a beta version of the Metro X
> software that was pretty buggy and very slow.  The same beta
> was available from Metro X directly as well.  You don't have
> to get it in .rpm format.  Accelerated X has a demo of their
> server available too, and I don't think theirs is beta.
> 
This I didn't know.  However, is the demo of Accelerated X fully 
functioning, or is it really just a demo.

> > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Shaya
> 
> You may be right on both counts, but I'd still like to be
> sure.  Please let us know.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Richard G. Roberto
> richr@bear.com
> 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
> 
> 

Shaya
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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Barry Hughes wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> >> Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine
> >> with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway,
> >> I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time...
> 
> >From experience Cirrus cards and chipsets work very well with XFree86, and
> I would tend to recommend them.
> 
> >If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox 
> >video card.  They do not work with XFree and probably never will.  
> >They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the 
> >only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a 
> >non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give 
> >away the source code to your product.  
> >If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then 
> >it shouldn't be a problem.  But then again you will have to install it by 
> >hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know 
> >about it.
> >What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a 
> >rpm --> deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around 
> >$30-40 and it comes with Metro X.  But if you wan't to be able to get all 
> >the source code for your programs you are still stuck.
> 
> 
> Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the
> drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use
> this to tell what card to get ;)
> 
> 
> -Barry Hughes

When did this happen?  I talked to a friend, just a couple of weeks ago, 
and he said he just talked to Matrox and they were pretty dead set 
against giving their support away like that.  However, if I am wrong I 
admit it, and apologize for the wrong advice I gave.

Shaya
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> Gith writes:
> > I've installed tin and suck as way to read newsgroups locally.
> > The problem is, i haven't figured out how to use tin to read the
> > newly downloaded articles. If someone is using the suck+tin 
> I might be wrong on this, but isn't this a feature in tin that has yet to
> be implemented? From the man page:
> 
>      -R         read   news   saved   by   the  -S  option  (not  yet
>                    implemented).
> > combination for news, could you post here or e-mail me directly
> > on how to do it..
> Where is the advantage of using suck over using tin -S?

I don't know what tin -S does.  Whatever it does, it is for a single user.  It
in no way makes these articles available for other users on the same machine,
let alone other news programs even on other machines.

The advantage of using suck + innd is that you get a news server on your 
machine that allows you or anyone else on your machine, plus anyone outside
your machine you allow to connect, the ability to read any news that is
on your machine.  You literally setup your machine to be a news server, it is
just that suck downloads articles and uses either rnews or innxmit (your
choice) to post articles to the news server.

For me and my friends that live in a house, it is invaluable.  We have five
comp sci types who like to read news.  So I have setup my machine to be a
news server.  I follow all the linux.* newsgroups, and am planning on making
all of my mailing list subscriptions into a newsgroup as well.  It is alot
faster reading news, or grabbing binaries (my bandwidth waster is
alt.binaries.sounds.midi) from a local machine than over a modem.  And if you
set it up right, you can even post articles back to the mailing 
lists/newsgroups providing you have the ability to do so... For instance, at
UMR, like other colleges/universities, there is a set of 'local' newsgroups
that only machines with access to UMR can access.  Some of these are also
part of what I 'spool' on my news server because suck is just like tin when
it connects to a newsserver: it reads articles.  However, suck takes the
articles and allows either rnews or innxmit to transmit them to a newsserver
of your choice (usually your local machine), and thus you get your own
newsserver with the articles.

Personally, I have found suck's auto-recovery features lacking.  That, and
I have more than one news-server I wish to contact.  So, ever 1/2 hour as a
cron-job, I run the following script which grabs my mail from two different
news-servers and, from my experience, guarantees that all articles in are
eventually retrieved, even if on the next 1/2 hour run of the script.

   #!/bin/sh

   tmphome=/var/spool/news/in.coming/tmp
   servers="usenet.umr.edu news.fuller.edu"
   suck=/usr/opt/bin/suck
   lf=$tmphome/lock

   cd $tmphome
   [ -e $lf ] && exit 1
   touch $lf

   count=0

   grabit () {
   se=2
   while [ 0$se -gt 1 ] ;
   do
     if [ -s newgrps ]
     then
       for i in `cat newgrps`
       do
         /usr/lib/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup $i y $0
         echo $i 1 >> sucknewsrc
       done
     fi
     rm -f newgrps
     count=$[ $count+1 ]
     $suck $1 -a -br spool ; se=$?
     [ -s spool ] && ls -l spool
     [ -s spool ] && /usr/lib/news/rnews -S localhost ./spool ; re=$?
     rm -rf Msgs suck.restart spool suck.sorted
     if [ -s suck.newrc -a 0$se -ne 255 ]
     then
       mv sucknewsrc.7 sucknewsrc.8
       mv sucknewsrc.6 sucknewsrc.7
       mv sucknewsrc.5 sucknewsrc.6
       mv sucknewsrc.4 sucknewsrc.5
       mv sucknewsrc.3 sucknewsrc.4
       mv sucknewsrc.2 sucknewsrc.3
       mv sucknewsrc.1 sucknewsrc.2
       mv sucknewsrc sucknewsrc.1
       sort suck.newrc | uniq > sucknewsrc
       rm suck.newrc
       touch spool
     fi
     echo Suck Error: $se, Rnews Error: $re count: $count
     if [ $count -gt 20 ];
     then
       rm $lf
       echo Suck Error: $se, Rnews Error: $re count: $count EXITING
       exit 1
     fi
   done
   }

   for i in $servers
   do
     cd $i ; echo $i
     grabit $i
     cd ..
   done
   rm $lf

The idea is that for each 'server' you have created a subdirectory in the
$tmphome subdirectory.  You can add newsgroups manually to the local news 
server by using ctlinnd manually, and then adding an entry into sucknewsrc, or
you can simply give the name each of the groups on a separate line in a file
'newgrps' in the server's subdir; if this file exists the script adds the
newsgroup to the local server and adds an entry in the 'sucknewsrc' file.

I'm also toying with a hack I've made of suck that, when I get it cleaned up,
I plan to send to the authors (or perhaps sooner, considering I've not worked
on it in a while).  The 'hack' is so I can, given an account on a remote
machine, telnet to that machine and then from that machine telnet to the
news server.  The reason being I have an account on the *.win.org machines in
my hometown, but am unable to read the newsgroups there unless I am logged in.
Obviously I would like to have them 'spooled' locally to read them, not telnet
through several dozen hops to their over-loaded machines and use lynx/tin from
remote to access the newsgroups.  Other applications for this 'feature' I am
sure you will recognize.

Hope this helps.
--
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Hi!

I'm sorry, but the permission to the files I referred to yesterday were
wrong. I had just fixed them and the files should now be available for
everyone who is intrested. Thanks for all the mails!


For those who didn't get it yesterday:

	pe (periodic execution) is meant to be a simple replacement
	for cron(8) on systems, that are just powered on for a few
	hours a day. On such systems, cron jobs are not very useful
	since one often can't say, when the system is running. So,
	for example, the nice jobs in the /etc/cron.daily directory
	aren't executed. (I didn't had the log rotating running on my
	client machine for 4 weeks now ;-)

Here are the URLs:

	http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/pe_0.2-1_all.deb
	http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/pe_0.2-1.tar.gz


Cheers

Chris


PS: I'm not quite sure if the name "pe" is good for what this small
utility does. So if someone has a better idea, email me...

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

> : Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.
> 
> Actually, that depends upon your E'mail system.  Microsoft mail allows
> you to send macros along with messages.  These macros are automatically
> run when the message is read.  I have first-hand experience with a
> "virus" (actually, a destructive macro) that was transmitted this way.
> 
> ...but that's a hole in Microsoft mail.  Obviously, this kind of thing
> could not be done via the standard Unix mail system (unless you had a
> MIME-aware mail reader that was willing to run Java code for you...
> Oooops!)

Actually...

I don't use emacs for email, but apparently its mail reader uses the emacs
"enable-local-variables" feature. And, apparently, some mischief can be
done by this mechanism. This feature is disabled with
    (setq enable-local-variables nil)
or
    (setq enable-local-variables 1) 
The later causes it to query you if local variables exist.

Perhaps someone on the list is more familiar with this issue and emacs
mail.

...RickM...


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> > The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
> > features, or pared down.

I disagree. The default kernel need not contain anything that isn't necessary
to boot.  This means floppy, minix, and ramdisk drivers.  Ide might be useful;
this should (imho) be loadable as a module, though.   But anyway, to the
mouse.  ps/2 mice can be loaded as modules.  As long as it is loaded when it
is determined that the user has a ps2 mouse, I see no reason why it can't
be included in the available modules at boot time, and at the same time see
no reason why it should be in the default kernel; modules work. Use them.

If someone decides they'd rather not load the ps2 module, but compile it into
the kernel, well, they can.

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  Ken Gaugler writes:
  Ken>  I had a nasty surprise using ftape to dump my filesystems for
  Ken> archival right before repartitioning my hard drive.  I wanted to let
  Ken> people know about this in case they were not already aware.
  Ken> 
  Ken> If you plan to dump several filesystems to one tape (that is, more
  Ken> than one session on a tape) you need to erase the tape using mt
  Ken> FIRST!!!  Otherwise you will not be able to read any sessions beyond
  Ken> the first.

You could have read the Ftape-HOWTO before attempting to do this. It says:

  6.4.  Putting more than one tar file on a tape

  To put more than one tar file on a tape you must have the mt utility.
  You will probably have it already, if you got one of the mainline
  distributions, e.g.  Slackware or Debian.

  tar generates a single Tape ARchive (that's why it is called `tar')
  and knows nothing about multiple files or positioning of a tape, it
  just reads or writes from/to a device. mt knows everyting about moving
  the tape back and forth, but nothing about reading the data off the
  tape.  As you might have guessed, tar and mt in conjunction, does the
  trick.

  By using the nrft[0-3] (nftape) device, you can use `mt' to position
  the tape the correct place (`mt -f /dev/nftape fsf 2' means step over
  two ``file marks'', i.e.  tar files) and then use tar to read or write
  the relevant data.

  Ken> There were only two sessions on my tape.  Sadly, the second session
  Ken> contained the /usr filesystem, so I lost everything :(

Moreover, you can simplify your life by using a program as tob which reads
from several filesystems. Debian tob's package is in the admin section.

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>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
Rob> Well, I'd like to see the code for the infinite loop that'd melt
Rob> down my processor.  I've written a few in my time (accidentally),
Rob> and the machine's still here.

From: Christian Lynbech <lynbech@daimi.aau.dk>
> The issue of destroying a computer through software was once (probably
> has been several times) discussed on alt.folklore.computers. 
> It is (or rather was) possible, but only in one known case. I do not
> remember many details, but some old microcomputer (Commodore of some
> sort I believe) allowed you to flip a bit in a register on the video
> chip that would cause power to build up somewhere until the chip
> eventually died.

It is possible to destroy a number of existing PC and PC-clone video
monitors by programming the VGA video timing registers. This is why we
try to be careful not to allow people to set their video card to just
any timing. I think that most of the susceptible monitors are out of
circulation, but of course there's lots of legacy hardware running Debian.

The monitors with this problem drive the flyback transformer at the
horizontal sync frequency. They have a sync detector that shuts down
the transformer if sync is absent, but this sync detector does not shut
down the transformer if it sees a very low horizontal frequency, or
only vertical sync without horizontal sync. The transformer gets driven
with only vertical sync or with very low frequency horizontal sync.
This causes the primary winding to have too low an impedance, which
causes too much current to flow through it, and it burns up.

The original IBM CGA color monitor is said to have this problem, and many
clones of it were said to have it as well. I don't know about more modern
hardware. If you have a monitor that is susceptible to this, it is possible
to destroy it by typing the wrong numbers into your XFree86 configuration
file.

This has been discussed in boring detail on various public forums. All of
the details are available to any malicious person. Thus, it's best for
everyone to know about the vulnerability.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

>> Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the
>> drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use
>> this to tell what card to get ;)
>When did this happen?  I talked to a friend, just a couple of weeks ago, 
>and he said he just talked to Matrox and they were pretty dead set 
>against giving their support away like that.  However, if I am wrong I 
>admit it, and apologize for the wrong advice I gave.
>
>Shaya

Actually just last week, keep an eye on the various linux newsgroups and
you'll see the cool stuff like this :) but they definately are now letting
the stuff out, we just have to wait for the drivers to be written

-Barry Hughes

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Susan:
> I'm getting confused.  Isn't the purpose of /usr/lib/module_help/arguments
> to document the arguments that can be given to a module when it is
> activated?

I don't think the cdu31a information is in there - we must have missed
it when we created modconf. Also, not everyone uses modconf, which is the
only thing that displays the module_help files.

We don't have a person who follows the kernel and keeps an accurate list
of module arguments. Also, Lars took on "modconf" when I had too much to
do, but he was less than enthusiastic about it. We could use another
volunteer to be the module mayven.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct 
time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does it 
work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to make my 
linux box keep correct time?

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> There were only two sessions on my tape.  Sadly, the second session
> contained the /usr filesystem, so I lost everything :(

Whenever doing backups, _verify_ your backups, even if it doubles the time
it takes to do them.

Oh, and whenever you're going to do something dangerous, _double_ your
backups. It's _not_ funny to try to restore from the backup you verified
yesterday, only to notice that something bad happened a floppy over the
night. Don't ask why I know this.

Using modern floppies (3.5") for backups is not a good anyway, but sometimes
you can't afford a tape drive. Not that tapes don't get errors, too.

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing properly. That applies to paranoia, too.

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:


>Now I'm pretty sure this is not true.  Last time I checked,
>redhat linux came with a beta version of the Metro X
>software that was pretty buggy and very slow.  The same beta
>was available from Metro X directly as well.  You don't have
>to get it in .rpm format.  Accelerated X has a demo of their
>server available too, and I don't think theirs is beta.

        RedHat Picasso comes with a single CPU license for Metro X.  I know
because I have a copy and Metro X runs great on my RedHat box.  The only
reason I can see them giving out a single license copy is if it's a full
relase of Metro X's server.

                hope this helps...
                                                Mike                        


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> > Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the
> > drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use
> > this to tell what card to get ;)
> >
> >
> > -Barry Hughes
> 
> When did this happen?  I talked to a friend, just a couple of weeks ago,
> and he said he just talked to Matrox and they were pretty dead set
> against giving their support away like that.  However, if I am wrong I
> admit it, and apologize for the wrong advice I gave.
> 
> Shaya
> --
> Shaya Potter
> spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil

Atleast so far you can't get a XFree accel'ed Xserver.. I and a friend
installed
debian on his machine and then we came to that conclution.. And running
Xwin
in 640x480x8bit isn't all that fun.. so we scrapped that project.. (for
a while
atleast...)

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While it is good news is Matrox are now releasing the details of their
millenium card and xfree86 will in due course support it, I can confirm
that the X-inside server installed VERY easily on a debian system
(regardless of lack of debian-specific package magic) and appears to
work quite well enough for me. Arthur
ps I hope somebody will post when there is a worthwhile testable beta of the
xfree for the millenium to try...


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Hi Pedro --

> I need to buy and install an 8mm tape system for our debian systems.
> If you happen to have one up and running, could you drop me a note
> telling me things like:
> 
> 	- Tape system brand name,

I have an Exabyte 8505.

> 	- Connection type (serial/parallel port, internal, etc.),
SCSI.

> 	- Software used to access the tape (I only see something called
> 	  "taper" in the debian distribution),
tob is also in the distribution; it is superior to taper in these ways:
  whereas taper uses direct ioctl calls, tob is a shell script that
  uses well-known and well-tested device I/O programs such as cpio, afio,
  and/or (depending on the users' choice) tar.
I belive that tob is also much easier to set up; the documentation is
  far superior.

>        - Any other info that could guide me.
I think an Exabyte is way too expensive, slow, and inconvenient for what 
it does nowadays.  Also at the present, I am currently having trouble 
obtaining its rated capacity (5 GBytes); I can't seem to get more
than 1.5 GBytes onto it.

Exabytes are also not competitive on a cost/MB basis with Jaz drives, which 
are now down to $400 for the drive plus $95 for each 1 GB platter (at least 
that's what they cost a couple of weeks ago), and are MUCH faster.  

If I needed a lot of storage space, I'd look into the DEC cartridges 
(DLT drives?) that hold about 40 GBytes.  My understanding is that 
Seagate will be coming out with a very large capacity device like these 
for well under $500 this Fall.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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: 
: There were only two sessions on my tape.  Sadly, the second session
: contained the /usr filesystem, so I lost everything :(
Rejoice! you did not lose anything! Just reinstall and restore what you
have. All stuff in usr are executables and other read-only stuff as 
per FSSTND. (except if you had sources in /usr/src or customizations in
/usr/local)


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	Can someone point me towards info. on how one can duplicate the
packages installed on one Debian system on another?  Going through
dselect by hand seems just a bit too tedious for multiple
installations...  Thanks.

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Bruce Perens:
> We don't have a person who follows the kernel and keeps an accurate list
> of module arguments. Also, Lars took on "modconf" when I had too much to
> do, but he was less than enthusiastic about it. We could use another
> volunteer to be the module mayven.

Ilucius (llucius@millcomm.com) took it from me, but I'm not sure if we
bothered to tell anyone. (Ilucius, perhaps you can confirm this.)

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  Shaya Potter writes:
  Shaya>  I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct
  Shaya> time. 

File that under "advantages of being IBM PC compatible"  :-)

  Shaya> Does anyone know of an efficient way to make my linux box keep
  Shaya> correct time?

I have these two lines in a script that cron runs nightly for root 

        netdate tcp <hostname_of_a_timeserver>
        clock -u -w    

Netdate is in netstd, you already have it.  I am sure that you can find a
timeserver in your domain, if not, pointers to do them are in the xntp doc.
Afterwards, clock -u -w writes (-w) the correctly set time into the bios
using GMT (-u) time.

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"Susan G. Kleinmann":
> What's odd is that I often have to execute inc more than 1 time -- sometimes
> 2 times, to get all the files from mbox.sgk into +inbox.  

Are you sure the mbox.sgk has all the messages? If you route them via
sendmail (or smail or whatever MTA you have), it may take a few moments
for them to arrive. I think popclient automatically routes them via
sendmail, but I haven't checked.

"mail -f mbox.sgk < /dev/null" is an easy way to check the contents of
a mailbox, or use "from -f mbox.sgk" if you wimpy.

My own setup does not make the mails go via sendmail, but pipes them
directly to procmail. Actually, not directly, but one by one:

formail -b -s sh -c < $temp \
"/home/liw/bin/qpdecodemail | /usr/bin/procmail /home/liw/.procmailrc; sleep 2"

($temp is the mailbox, qpdecodemail is my stupid filter to remove all
quoted-printable encodings from mail)

> Another confusing point is that even though my ~/.mh_profile says
>    inc: -norpop -truncate -audit audit-file
> the file mbox.sgk is not zero'd after I fetch the files in it.

As far as I can tell, what happens is that inc first read the profile,
and sets -truncate. Then it reads the command line, and -file automatically
sets -notruncate. If you have both -truncate and -file in the profile,
the file is truncated.

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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote:

> Bruce Perens:
> > We don't have a person who follows the kernel and keeps an accurate list
> > of module arguments. Also, Lars took on "modconf" when I had too much to
> > do, but he was less than enthusiastic about it. We could use another
> > volunteer to be the module mayven.
> 
> Ilucius (llucius@millcomm.com) took it from me, but I'm not sure if we
> bothered to tell anyone. (Ilucius, perhaps you can confirm this.)
> 
Yep, your right.  I neglected to inform anyone.  (face red in shame)  
I've been playing around with this architecture independence stuff that I 
COMPLETELY forgot about it.  But, since I'll be without a modem for a 
few days, I'll take the time to scan the kernel source for any 
additions/differences.

Leland

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Chris Schwarz wrote:
>	pe (periodic execution) is meant to be a simple replacement
>	for cron(8) on systems, that are just powered on for a few
>	hours a day. On such systems, cron jobs are not very useful

This is a great idea!  I've been wishing I had such a utility.

>  PS: I'm not quite sure if the name "pe" is good for what this small
>  utility does. So if someone has a better idea, email me...

How about `anacron' (as in `anac(h)ronistic'), for a cron-like program that
doesn't go by time?

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hello all,
	well not sure if i should ask here or not but here it goes. today
i tried to run screen but it has just started to continiously terminate.
it would look something like this:

timberwolf >screen irc Adrenolin
the screen then clears and i get a msg,
[screen is terminating]
and it returns to the prompt.

	i have run screen now for weeks without this problem. the strange
thing is that it does this on my personal account, root and one other. on
all other accounts screen runs fine. i have exited out of the account and
re-logged in to no avail. i did a complete shutdown and after i rebooted
it still refuses to run on these 3 accounts. 
	i know it is not a memery problem:

             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:         38828      15180      23648       5980       2372       8848
-/+ buffers:             3960      34868
Swap:        32252          0      32252
	
	and i'm not useing any sort of quotas on this system. any ideas
out there as to how to correct this? thanx in advance :)
-Rob

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Somewhere along the line, I'm not sure just where, the colors in the
xconfig screens on my system got messed up and I don't know how to fix
them. The background is white and the foreground is a pale grey -- so
grey, in fact, that only the top or bottom half of the button shapes
appears. How do I fix this?

-- 
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+ Clergy, computer nerd,          + and found wanting. It has been  +
+ Linux user, Havanese owner      + found difficult and not tried.  + 
+ mharnois@sbt.net                +          --G. K. Chesterton     +


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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Derek Lee wrote:

> I have been seeing something strange on my system. The autoloading of
> the sound module works most of the time. The problem is with the CD
> playing programs (cdplay from cdtool 1.0 or workman). They do not send
> a request the sound module to kerneld. But they work if the module has
> been loaded at some point in the past. In fact, they would continue to
> work even if the sound module has been removed from the kernel!

Playing audio CDs does not use the sound driver.  However, unless the
sound card has been initialized, you will not be able to hear audio CDs
through your soundcard (you can probably hear them if the speakers are
plugged directly into the CD player though).  The sound card is
initialized when the sound module is first loaded. After that, audio CDs
will still play even if the sound module is removed because the card has
already been initialized and that's all that's needed.

You could play a sound clip upon bootup or when you login to initialize
the card.  Perhaps just putting something like 
"modprobe sound ; rmmod sound"  in a boot file would do the trick too. 

Gerry


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Hi,

	Umm, could you send a few messages to your isp, susan, such
 that the messages fall through your mailagent .rules file, and see if
 the ~/mbox.sgk file looks ok? (if you mail it to me, I could have a
 look). Are you annotating the mail message in any way?

	I haven't used MH, but I routinely use VM (under emacs) to
 read mail that escapes mailagent (which is my personal mail), and
 have never had problems ...

	manoj
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 $ umask 000              # not sure if it is nessesary
 $ (cd /; tar -clpf - .) | ( cd /<destination> ; tar -xpkf - )
 $ umask 022

 This is from the Tips-HOWTO, there is one other method in that doc but
 never used it. 
 With the method shown above you might get some complains about not being
 able to copy some /dev  devices (or was it just some named pipes). 
 I always ignore those errors, and everything works just fine.

 Of course...
 Once you transfer, remember about: rdev, /etc/fstab, etc.. 



Ioannis Tambouras
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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Tres Hofmeister wrote:
> 
> 	Can someone point me towards info. on how one can duplicate the
> packages installed on one Debian system on another?  Going through
> dselect by hand seems just a bit too tedious for multiple
> installations...  Thanks.


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>Susan:
>> I'm getting confused.  Isn't the purpose of /usr/lib/module_help/arguments
>> to document the arguments that can be given to a module when it is
>> activated?

>I don't think the cdu31a information is in there - we must have missed
>it when we created modconf. Also, not everyone uses modconf, which is the
>only thing that displays the module_help files.
>
>We don't have a person who follows the kernel and keeps an accurate list
>of module arguments. Also, Lars took on "modconf" when I had too much to
>do, but he was less than enthusiastic about it. We could use another
>volunteer to be the module mayven.

I hear you Bruce.  I most certainly do not wish to put down the fine efforts
that you and the rest of the Debian group are putting in.  Also, I consider
it quite likely that I will eventually get involved (again) in some
non-profit group or other having to do with computer software and/or the
Internet. (In fact, "been there, done that", if you will give some
consideration to some 5 years of involvement in Fidonet at many levels).
Honesty, whether I join the Linux camp or another will depend on the success
of my current efforts to bootstrap myself into this community.

For now, most of my on-line interactions are done with Eudora for Windows
(email), Free Agent (news) , WsFTP and Netscape for Windows.  Thus, as a
example of obstacle to my progression, I cannot easily grab a set of
HTMLized FAQs from the Net for local perusal because they use long
filenames.  Also, I am constrained to getting the msdos-i386 branch of the
distribution sites, even though dselect seems to be somewhat reluctant to
use these DOS filenames...  And if I start seriously considering the
purchase of a CD copy of the distribution, to give dselect the long
filenames it prefers, I have to face a non-documented module argument...

<taking on the whining voice of Gilda Radner's Roseanne Roseannadanna>

"When it's not one thing, it's another..."   ;-)))

Hey, don't let me spoil your fun.  Whenever I point out a flaw in the Debian
distribution, I do it in the spirit of providing useful feedback, and with
no malice whatsoever.  Consider it my first level of contribution to your
fine work.  Hopefully, in the fullness of time I will feel confident and
knowledgeable enough to participate in more significant ways.  In the
meantime, I'm still here, so despite my setbacks, I haven't given up....

Regards,

renald


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> > The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
> > features, or pared down.

From: Todd Tyrone Fries <todd@miango.com>
> The default kernel need not contain anything that isn't necessary
> to boot.  This means floppy, minix, and ramdisk drivers.

This is the way it will be for 1.2 . I am testing it now. The default kernel
has no IDE, no SCSI, little else. When you set up the system, it builds a RAM
disk image that is loaded at boot time. The script on the RAM disk loads the
modules for your local hardware configuration _before_ it mounts the root.
Some things that still aren't modularized are in the default kernel.

The stripped-down kernel and the compressed installation root filesystem
fit on one 1200K floppy and run fine that way. The floppy also contains
a few of the most popular modules, and you get to feed it more floppies
(or a CD) containing other modules depending on your configuration.

No-floppy bootstrap should be possible for systems with 8MB RAM and a CD
or DOS hard disk. One-floppy NFS bootstrap should be possible.

See /usr/src/linux/Documentation/initrd.txt .

	Bruce


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Lars:
> Ilucius (llucius@millcomm.com) took it from me
From: llucius <llucius@millcomm.com>
> Yep, your right.  I neglected to inform anyone.  (face red in shame)  
> I've been playing around with this architecture independence stuff that I 
> COMPLETELY forgot about it.

Leland, of course I'm happy to get any work you do on this now. You
are also one of the lead programmers on the 68k port, and you are a lead
programmer on the issue of architecture independence for Debian.
One of our problems is that a few key volunteers do a _lot_ of stuff,
and tasks should be distributed better so that those key people can continue
to have lives and health :-) So I won't frown if you eventually find someone
else to take on the job of tracking modules.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Tres Hofmeister wrote:
: 
: 	Can someone point me towards info. on how one can duplicate the
: packages installed on one Debian system on another?  Going through
: dselect by hand seems just a bit too tedious for multiple
: installations...  Thanks.
: 

Just install the base system from the first 3 floppies and
copy the /var/lib/dpkg/status file from the `master' system, mount
the distribution somewhere on the `slave', cd to the distribution
toplevel and run `dpkg -iGROEB'.  Never tried this, so
someone else?


    Heiko
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Hi!  This new user has another unsolved problem.  *grin*

Background: Got and installed motifnls_2.1-1.deb and
netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb.  Got the right tar.gz file off of Netscape's
site and put it in /tmp, and the installation said that it found the
file, so I assumed everything's right.

Problem: Typing 'netscape' yields
        netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4'

The installations did not complain of missing dependencies.  I can't
find the file called 'libXpm.so.4' on my root partition either.  If
someone could point out which package (or
should-have-read-documentation) I'm missing, I would much appreciate it!
Thank you in advance!

--
  Eric Liu (eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca) [ENERGi http://www.ucalgary.ca/~eliu/]


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Hello!  This is more a query than a problem.  Hope someone can help! 
Thanx!

Background: I have gotten 'pppd' to work with a 'chatscript' file. 
However, I would prefer not to have to type my password into the
chatscript file.  Thus...

Query: Is there any way I can manually dial in, login, and initiate PPP,
then ask 'pppd' to start?

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  Eric Liu (eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca) [ENERGi http://www.ucalgary.ca/~eliu/]


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> 
> 
> On 17 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone running StarOffice under Debian?
> > 
> > If so how and where did you get the Motif Libraries?
> > 
> I haven't got it running yet,(I have heard that right now it is very buggy) 
> but supposdly they include a large set of Motif2.0 in one of the shared 
> libraries they include in the program, so all you have to do is install 
> it (w/ the StarInst script, I have it if anyone needs it)  and then copy 

Look at http://www.stardiv.de/download/sites/README.staroffice !

It tells you that StarOffice needs Motif2.0 Libs, which are _NOT_
included. You have to buy them for real money.

The guys at StarDivision are considering making a version with statically
linked Motif :) but "...cannot promise any release date for these 
versions..." :-(

Hope that helps
Rolf


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Dear, Debian Users...

I'm using Debian 1.1.1 with Linux kernel version 2.0.13.
I mount my Windows95 HDD using smbfs package via TCP/IP network,
but I can't see long filename's in directory. How can I do?

%ls -l
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000        72192 Aug  3 15:41 bitmap~1.dll
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000        55296 Aug  3 15:42 kidcon~1.dll
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000        33792 Aug  3 15:43 metavi~1.exe
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000         1956 Jun 14 08:13 metavi~1.reg
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000       935936 Aug  3 15:36 pictur~1.exe
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000        16606 Apr 26 16:26 00033-~1.tif
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000        38230 Apr 26 16:25 00040~1.tif
-rw-r--r--   1 sjlee    1000          209 Jun  3 09:03 select~1.txt
        
I builid Linux kernel with my own options. Did I missed something important?

HELP ME!!!!


                                                                        sjlee


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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:47:04 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:

>However, stupid people can also write mail user programs that automatically
>run a program that comes in e-mail. Even more stupid people use such 

UltiMail/2 Lite for OS/2 (comes with the Internet Access Kit) has such
a feature.  However, the program is not automatically run.  You need to
double click on it to run it.

>GNU Emacs had a similar feature (certain magic lines in a file could
>run any Emacs commands automatically when the file was loaded -- and
>Emacs commands are powerful indeed).

GNU Emacs for OS/2 still has this feature.  Very, very dangerous.


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On Mon, 19 Aug 96 16:33 EDT, Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
wrote:

>  tar generates a single Tape ARchive (that's why it is called `tar')
>  and knows nothing about multiple files or positioning of a tape, it
>  just reads or writes from/to a device. mt knows everyting about moving
>  the tape back and forth, but nothing about reading the data off the
>  tape.  As you might have guessed, tar and mt in conjunction, does the

Just one question...

Does taper implicitly call 'mt'?

Thanks in advance.


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Todd,

Do you disagree? Aren't you simply saying that you'd go down the 'pared
down kernel route'? (Note: when I say pared down, I don't preclude the
possibility of using modules.)

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	Todd Tyrone Fries[SMTP:todd@miango.com]
>Sent: 	19 August 1996 21:06
>To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: 	Re: kernel size (was: How do I get GATEWAY2000 PS/2 mouse to
>work?)
>
>> > The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
>> > features, or pared down.
>
>I disagree. The default kernel need not contain anything that isn't
>necessary
>to boot.  This means floppy, minix, and ramdisk drivers.  Ide might be
>useful;
>this should (imho) be loadable as a module, though.   But anyway, to
>the
>mouse.  ps/2 mice can be loaded as modules.  As long as it is loaded
>when it
>is determined that the user has a ps2 mouse, I see no reason why it
>can't
>be included in the available modules at boot time, and at the same time
>see
>no reason why it should be in the default kernel; modules work. Use
>them.
>
>If someone decides they'd rather not load the ps2 module, but compile
>it into
>the kernel, well, they can.
>
>--
>Todd Fries .. todd@miango.com
>
>


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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric Liu wrote:

> Problem: Typing 'netscape' yields
>         netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4'

You are probably missing xpm4.7. Its among standard packages in section
x11. FVWM* are also needing this package, so in that sense its worth of
installing.

--
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Here's a few things that has been bothering me for a while.  Have I done
something wrong, or should the following be considered bugs:

/etc/inittab:
1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
The problem is that login waits 60 seconds before giving up.  The init
start to respawn this line until it is disabled for 5 minutes.  This
behaviour continues forever or until the line is replaced with a "normal"
inittab-entry.

/etc/inittab:
~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin
This program doesn't seem to know what console it wants it input on and
therefore doesn't get any input at all.  Had to add /dev/console to get it
to work.


/tmp
Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.  I have a 30MB /
partition, and only about 10MB space free on /tmp.   This didn't work very
well while trying to restore a 50MB file from taper.  (I've now mounted
100MB on /tmp to avoid the problem.)

dselect
Is there some switch that will make this fiend of a program stop adding
everything that is listed as recommended automatically?  I find that
whenever I enter the select menu it (dselect) will happily add a lot of
stuff that I don't want just because is is "Recommended".  When I then
proceed to remove the aforementioned programs, the program that originally
did the "recommend" is marked for purge or something similar.. (This might
be because I just don't understand the internal logics of deselect or just
because I do something wrong, but it still causes me to spend 15 minutes
just checking for what has disappeared and what has been unintentionally
added every time I've ventured into the select menu of dselect.)

(I usually use dpkg, as there I know what is happening.)


And btw:  Thanks for a brilliant distribution!


Vebby  <vebjorn@mo.himolde.no> <vebjorn@himolde.no> <vebjorn@hsr.no>


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct 
> time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does it 
> work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to make my 
> linux box keep correct time?
> 
This is the script I use to keep my clock "on time":

/usr/sbin/netdate tick.usno.navy.mil tock.usno.navy.mil
/sbin/clock -w

Luck,

Dwarf

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Do an 'nm' on libso312.so, it supposdly has a large amount of Motif 2.0 
inside it.

Shaya
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Rolf Obrecht wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On 17 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > 
> > > Is anyone running StarOffice under Debian?
> > > 
> > > If so how and where did you get the Motif Libraries?
> > > 
> > I haven't got it running yet,(I have heard that right now it is very buggy) 
> > but supposdly they include a large set of Motif2.0 in one of the shared 
> > libraries they include in the program, so all you have to do is install 
> > it (w/ the StarInst script, I have it if anyone needs it)  and then copy 
> 
> Look at http://www.stardiv.de/download/sites/README.staroffice !
> 
> It tells you that StarOffice needs Motif2.0 Libs, which are _NOT_
> included. You have to buy them for real money.
> 
> The guys at StarDivision are considering making a version with statically
> linked Motif :) but "...cannot promise any release date for these 
> versions..." :-(
> 
> Hope that helps
> Rolf
> 
> 


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>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:54 -0600, eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Eric Liu) said:

 Eric> Query: Is there any way I can manually dial in, login, and initiate PPP,
 Eric> then ask 'pppd' to start?

There is a way using minicom, connecting manually, and then issuing C-A Q to
quit minicom without reset, and quickly issuing pppd (without any connect
option) on the same device before the ppp server times out.

However I have a query in the same direction. I'd rather not depend on diald to
set connections up and down (complicated pricing here gets cheaper for longer
calls), but the cycle:

	becoming root
	issuing pppd
	reading /var/log/messages
	killing pppd
	reissuing pppd with another number/chatscript in case it was busy
	etc...

is getting on my nerves (and I won't let my wife or kids do that...). So what I
would like is some graphical front-end to pppd, displaying the status, and
with buttons to start/stop a connection. This could be started by root at boot
time, solving the suid problems. (I tried 
	chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd /usr/sbin/chat; 
	chmod a+rx /etc/ppp/chat* 
but no way I could fire a ppp session as a simple mortal user...). Including a
prompt for the password in such a setup would be relatively trivial.

Does anyone know of something of this kind? I vaguely saw a related tool for
diald: a good hint? Come on: we could easily do better than windoze and the
uggly trumpet winsock on this one, and this is a huge selling argument!

Amities,

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Whenever I try to do a netdate to any site, I get a connection refused 
error, I done both tcp and udp.  Could it be because I am behind a firewall?

Thanks

Shaya
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> > I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct 
> > time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does it 
> > work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to make my 
> > linux box keep correct time?
> > 
> This is the script I use to keep my clock "on time":
> 
> /usr/sbin/netdate tick.usno.navy.mil tock.usno.navy.mil
> /sbin/clock -w
> 
> Luck,
> 
> Dwarf
> 
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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Pure Energy wrote:

> timberwolf >screen irc Adrenolin
> the screen then clears and i get a msg,
> [screen is terminating]

Sounds like your path to irc may be bad. Have you tried running screen
w/o the irc? 

> 	i have run screen now for weeks without this problem. the strange
> thing is that it does this on my personal account, root and one other. on
> all other accounts screen runs fine. 

Do these accounts have a unique feature such as the only ones using a
certain shell? If so, they may share a global config file with an incorrect
path.

If that's not it, try adding DEBUG ON in your .screenrc.

Good luck,
Owen


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Hi,

> The guys at StarDivision are considering making a version with statically
> linked Motif :) but "...cannot promise any release date for these 
> versions..." :-(

I read some articles that it runs with lesstiff (well, at lest it starts
with it after some patching..) Sorry, can't rember the location of the page
about that topic.

Of course this software needs a high end PC to run. If you dont have 32MB
you will find yourself sleeping in front of the 'puter very often.

Greetings
Bernd


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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric Liu wrote:
> Query: Is there any way I can manually dial in, login, and initiate PPP,
> then ask 'pppd' to start?

Sure - use 'minicom' and then exit with Alt-Q and start up PPP with
something like 'pppd :' ...

Roy
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Tres Hofmeister wrote:
: 	Can someone point me towards info. on how one can duplicate the
: packages installed on one Debian system on another?  Going through
: dselect by hand seems just a bit too tedious for multiple
: installations...  Thanks.

From: heiko@lotte.sax.de (Heiko Schlittermann)
> Just install the base system from the first 3 floppies and
> copy the /var/lib/dpkg/status file from the `master' system, mount
> the distribution somewhere on the `slave', cd to the distribution
> toplevel and run `dpkg -iGROEB'.  Never tried this, so
> someone else?

I think this is _almost_ right. What you need is to copy the dpkg status
file in a way that marks the packages as selected _but_not_installed_ on
the second system. It would take a script to do this, because you don't want
to take anything that got installed in the base and mark it as "selected but
not installed". However, having the
capability to make lists of selections and pass them around would be nice.
Thus, I'll ask Ian Jackson. How about three flags to dpkg?

	--select package-name [package-name ...]
		Selects a list of packages for later installation.
	--deselect package-name [package-name ...]
		De-selects a list of packages for later removal.
	--list-selected
		Lists selected packages in a way suitable for inclusion in a list
		passed to --select.

There may well be flags to do this now, but I've missed them.
This would allow you to set up the selections via a shell script or something,
and then start dselect to fine-tune what you have selected.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> 
> Whenever I try to do a netdate to any site, I get a connection refused 
> error, I done both tcp and udp.  Could it be because I am behind a firewall?
> 
Very possibly.
The reason your system clock gains/looses time (one or the other, not
both) is that the timer that the system uses runs of the system crystal
and is not dividable to an even second. Your calendar clock does not
suffer from this problem and is far more accurate. Thus 'clock -s' will
reset the system clock to the "more accurate" calendar clock. These clocks
tend to stay within 1 sec/year of the correct time. If this kind of
accuracy is not sufficient then you will need to learn about breaking out
of firewalls. I am totaly ignorant on this subject, so please tell us what
you learn.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Shaya Potter writes:
> 
> I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct 
> time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does it 
> work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to make my 
> linux box keep correct time?

If you don't want to go over the internet you could try adjtimex. This
package adjusts the kernel timex variable and makes your system keep the
time pretty well.

If it works well you should think about a BIOS write command (clock -w),
too.

Michael

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Jean Orloff writes:
> Since I'm there: `ps` is also broken in my custom 2.0.0 kernel. It complains
> about being unable to find libproc.so. Any chance this may be cured at the same
> time? I got into the trouble of making a custom kernel because of the PS/2
> mouse problem amply mentionned before...

Try re-installing the proc package. There may be a bug in the postinst.

Michael

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Hello,

There have been a few people complaining that having installed 
sendmail they were in a dependency catch 22 situation when 
attempting to install smail.  (unable to remove sendmail or
install smail)

This command solved the problem for me:

	dpkg -i --force-conflicts path_to_smail.deb

Thanks,
jay


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I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.

I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:

System halted
general protection: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
EFLAGS: 00010046
eax: 00005307  ebx: 00000001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 00000000
esi: bfffff0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
ds: 0000  es: 0000  fs: 0000  gs: 0000  ss: 0018
Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
Stack:  00000246 0000002b 0011002b 00000018 00710018 00714810 bfffff0c 08000e4a
        bffffdc0 0011231e 00000003 ffffffff 00000009 001cc40a 0010a482 fee1dead
        28121969 cdef0123 bfffff0c 08000e4a bffffdc0 ffffffda 0803002b 0010002b
Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84

I'd like to know if this is normal, or a symptom of a needed kernel upgrade,
or something else entirely.  I hate to post this again, seeing that you have
all probably solved this and moved on.  But I would greatly appreciate any
help that you may possibly be able to give.

Justin Ennis


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Dear debianers,

A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:31:13 -0700
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At 12:04 PM 8/20/96 cet, you wrote:
>Hi, 
>Anybody can help me, please?  I really need to be sure how to fix this.
>Logged as root I did: 
>
># cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds.users * ; ls -laR | more
>
>and noticing that I forgot to change the ownership of the (hidden) dot files
>I typed: 
>
># chown -R lds:users ~/.*
>
>Uchhhh!  the `*' expands to `.' among others. By the time I noticed my two 
>mistakes and pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the ownership of /root, 
>/home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr.
>
>I saved on a floppy a list (find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds      
>users") with $dir set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownerships of /root and 
>/home by hand and the I typed  
>
># shutdown -r now
>
>That was not very clever :-( but I was thinking of fixing everything when
having
>more time, from an emergency base system I have on a separate 16MB partition.
>I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are written at 
>boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown tooo! :-( 
>Maybe it help to mention that I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and 
>swap) on separate partitions.
>
>Right now I know which files have the wrong ownership but do not know what 
>should be the right one. I thought of setting the ownership to root:root to
the 
>files in the list and then fix by hand those who shoud be owned by other
system 
>group (news, mail,...etc).  I think that then I should proceed by fixing
file by
>file, i.e., 
>0)Fixing those in /var/lib/dpkg (any pointer about how to do it?)
>1)removing all installed packages except those flaged as essential (base), 
>2)comparing file by file with a fresh Debian 1.1.x base system (I have one).
>3)Reinstalling again the packages.
>
>Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
>greatly appreciated. A script maybe to do it automatically?'
>I am not suscribed to the list right now so please answer this to 
>my private e-mail. Thank you very much,
>
>Lazaro <salem@rf.no> 
>
>
>
>

You should have used chown -R lds:users ./.[a-zA-Z]*
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David Engel <david@elo.ods.com> said:
> Wish is the base-level Tk interpreter.  Install either the tk40 or 
> tk41 packages.  if you install both, the wish from tk41 will be used 
> by default. 

By the way, this days I tried to compile some Tcl extension package (namely 
ctk) and its configure script wasn't able to find the Tcl library.  
Investigating the problem, I found out that Debian doesn't install a libtcl.a 
or libtcl.so but libtcl7.4.a and and libtcl7.4.so.  

I know that is done to allow for the simultaneous installation of Tcl 7.4 and 
7.5 (and possibly other future versions).  However, I just wonder if it should 
exist a link to one of those libraries from /etc/alternatives (and, of course, 
one from /usr/lib/libtcl.so to it) so that configuration scripts can find the 
real library easily.  I can see that the packages are doing that already for 
wish and tclsh, but not for the library.  Am I missing something?

M. S.
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric Liu wrote:

> Background: I have gotten 'pppd' to work with a 'chatscript' file. 
> However, I would prefer not to have to type my password into the
> chatscript file.  Thus...

I would do:

-----cut-----

#!/bin/sh
echo -n "Type in your password: "
stty -echo
read PASSWORD
echo
stty echo

/usr/sbin/pppd .......

-----cut-----

and you can type $PASSWORD instead of the actual password inside your
script.

Otherwise, you should use minicom or some other comm software to login,
but it would be less comfortable.

/___
/_
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jean Orloff wrote:

> 1) I have /usr/local/bin/netscape as a script:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> # netscape startup script, to get around uggly config problems
> 
> XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
> XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH

Do those XKeysymDB and XNLSPATH really provide something useful or have
you used them only because they are provided ?

Reason for wondering this is that for sometime, I used to untar those
netscape packages and copy only netscape image to /usr/local/bin. Later I
have started to copy that java_30 to /usr/local/lib/netscape, even though
I have Java as disabled. Anyway, so far I haven't got any error messages
and I am using pretty much default Debian package (compiled FVWM '95 and
done some work on Xresources, but only for Xterm and Emacs).

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>Hello!  This is more a query than a problem.  Hope someone can help! 
>Thanx!
>
>Background: I have gotten 'pppd' to work with a 'chatscript' file. 
>However, I would prefer not to have to type my password into the
>chatscript file.  Thus...
>
>Query: Is there any way I can manually dial in, login, and initiate PPP,
>then ask 'pppd' to start?

Yes.  Use minicom to dial in, start ppp, then use ctrl-a q to get out
of minicom, and run pppd with the appropriate options.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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From: 	Pure Energy[SMTP:adren@timberwolf.provision.net]
>i tried to run screen but it has just started to continiously
>terminate.
>	i have run screen now for weeks without this problem. the strange
>thing is that it does this on my personal account, root and one other.
>on
>all other accounts screen runs fine.

Do all of those users have a shell in common? For example are they all
tcsh users? Do they have features in their .profile, .login, or .cshrc
in common?

I'm a "tcsh" user, so I'd use "set verbose" in my .cshrc so that I
could see what the shell is doing, how far it's getting, etc. You can do
something similar with "bash", I think it's "set -x" in your .profile,
see the man page. Other shells support something similar. I surmise that
all of your sub-shells are exiting, and thus screen exits because it has
nothing to run. You should be able to track this down without expending
much adrenaline :-)

From: Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk>
> THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY CAPS KEY!

We need a document on "Are you ready for Linux?" :-)

	Thanks

	Bruce


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MR. ENERGY,

THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY CAPS KEY!

CASPER BODEN-CUMMINS.

>----------
>From: 	Pure Energy[SMTP:adren@timberwolf.provision.net]
>Sent: 	20 August 1996 03:54
>To: 	Debian Users
>Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject: 	a problem with "screen"
>
>hello all,
>	well not sure if i should ask here or not but here it goes. today
>i tried to run screen but it has just started to continiously
>terminate.
>it would look something like this:
>
>timberwolf >screen irc Adrenolin
>the screen then clears and i get a msg,
>[screen is terminating]
>and it returns to the prompt.
>
>	i have run screen now for weeks without this problem. the strange
>thing is that it does this on my personal account, root and one other.
>on
>all other accounts screen runs fine. i have exited out of the account
>and
>re-logged in to no avail. i did a complete shutdown and after i
>rebooted
>it still refuses to run on these 3 accounts. 
>	i know it is not a memery problem:
>
>             total       used       free     shared    buffers    
>cached
>Mem:         38828      15180      23648       5980       2372      
>8848
>-/+ buffers:             3960      34868
>Swap:        32252          0      32252
>	
>	and i'm not useing any sort of quotas on this system. any ideas
>out there as to how to correct this? thanx in advance :)
>-Rob
>
>	/---------------------------------------------------------\
>	|   	        Robert "Adrenolin" MacQuarrie             |
>	|		     macquarrie@snip.net                  | 
>	|	        adren@timberwolf.provision.net	          |
>	|=========================================================|
>	|     ProvisioNet Distributions at New Jersey Branch      |
>	|	   Email: root@timberwolf.provision.net           |
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>
>
>
>
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From: jwl@atlanta.cray.com (James W. Lynch)
> can a Motherboard/IDE controller (onboard) destroy a disk drive?

The sound you heard from the disk drive is probably the arm that holds
the heads seeking repeatedly to the point that it hits the stop at one
end of its travel. It can hit that stop repeatedly at 100 Hz or so if
it is persistent. Floppy disks do this as a matter of course, but hard
disks aren't expected to when they are working correctly.

What I think happened is you set the heads/cylinders/tracks differently
when you set up the BIOS in the new motherboard, or these settings got
altered just before the problem showed up. If you are lucky, you can put
them back and everything will magically get better. I suggest you test that
drive on another system if they don't get better.

And sure, a motherboard can burn out a drive electrically. It's more
unlikely that a sequence of BIOS commands to the drive could injure it.
I don't think you'd hear _that_ sound if you had an electrical problem.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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> From: rhl@CAM.ORG (renald loignon)
> > May I ask, in all seriousness, and without a trace of sarcasm, where in
> > the world (BUT preferably in the Debian installation instructions) one
> > is expected to find this information?  I was used to the old
> > "cdu31a=0xPORT,IRQ" syntax from the boot prompt, or as an "append=..."
> > line in /etc/lilo.conf....
> 
> I don't see that it is documented at all outside of the kernel source.
> And if you think that this is a serious problem in Debian, it is. And it's
> not going to be helped unless more people like you volunteer to work on the
> documentation.

Is there any chance you have checked the bootparm-howto?

http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw ??  If it is not in there, I would suggest that
would be the best place for it.
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I just installed a new Pentium 100 on a ASUS motherboard.  The first
thing I noticed was an odd sound coming from my maxtor 1 Gbyte drive.
It sounded kinda like a marble on the end of piece of sping steel
being drawn back and released about an inch from a thin steel plate.
It was a sprong - tic -tic tic, not unlike what a head loading and
skipping might sound like on a disk drive.

Anyway, after about 3 hours of testing things and preparing for 
a backup, the system died.  At reboot, the bios caused about
six of the infamous sounds then booted up DOS.  It didn't find
any of the other partitions (other than C).  When I tried to load
linux, it couldn't find the root partition.  I booted with a
recovery disk and ran fdisk and it immediately exited with a
"cant read /dev/hda" message.

I tried Novell Dos fdisk and it hangs producing the sprong sound constantly.
I tried MSDOS fdisk and it quits after a minute or so with an error.

Obviously something has trashed the partition table.  I suspect the
hardware has failed.

Now this is a question that up until now, I'd have thought a foolish one,
but can a Motherboard/IDE controller (onboard) destroy a disk drive?
The drive has been working fine until now, but as soon as I installed the
new MB, it started making the strange sound until it failed almost 
completely.

I don't suppose anyone knows how I might recover.  The reason I swapped
the mother board was because I couldn't get the ftape software to
work properly and finally decided it was because of the mother board.

Thanks,
Jim.

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> 
>         RedHat Picasso comes with a single CPU license for Metro X.  I know
> because I have a copy and Metro X runs great on my RedHat box.  The only
> reason I can see them giving out a single license copy is if it's a full
> relase of Metro X's server.
> 
>                 hope this helps...
>                                                 Mike                        
> 

Ah, this may have changed.  When 3.0.3 was out in beta, the
Metro X server was also beta.  The Xfree beta drivers blew
it away in performance tests posted on Xfree's web page.
I know this because I was looking for an alternative to
Slackware for my home machine and looked into RedHat and
Debian both.  When I asked Redhat about the Metro X server,
they said it was a beta server that had a lot of debug code
in it, thus the slow numbers.  Do you know how the full
release performs?

By the way, I recieved your message and it looks like it
came from me!  The X-Sender: has mike@mail.okinternet.net in
it but there is no "From" field (no colon).  That's strange.

Anyway, thanks for the info!

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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AGH, I hate having to reply to my own messages.

I don't think it is livso312.so.  But I did try something else.  To 
install you have to use StarInst script, which is a perl script which 
will install Star Office. (can't use their installation -- need motif 
2.0)  You then make a link or copy any shared library to libXm.so.2 and 
you should be set.  If that doesn't work you can try using lesstif.  
lesstif 0.5 is very easy to compile.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
--
Shaya Potter
spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil

> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Rolf Obrecht wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 17 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Is anyone running StarOffice under Debian?
> > > > 
> > > > If so how and where did you get the Motif Libraries?
> > > > 
> > > I haven't got it running yet,(I have heard that right now it is very buggy) 
> > > but supposdly they include a large set of Motif2.0 in one of the shared 
> > > libraries they include in the program, so all you have to do is install 
> > > it (w/ the StarInst script, I have it if anyone needs it)  and then copy 
> > 
> > Look at http://www.stardiv.de/download/sites/README.staroffice !
> > 
> > It tells you that StarOffice needs Motif2.0 Libs, which are _NOT_
> > included. You have to buy them for real money.
> > 
> > The guys at StarDivision are considering making a version with statically
> > linked Motif :) but "...cannot promise any release date for these 
> > versions..." :-(
> > 
> > Hope that helps
> > Rolf
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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: On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> Subject: Re: Not keeping correct time
:
: I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct
: time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does
: it  work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to
: make my linux box keep correct time?

I don't know if xntp works behind firewalls, but as a test you can try
running ntpdate, which should be part of the same package.

Run

# ntpdate -d <list of hosts>

as root (without xntpd running).  You should get back about a page of
information for each remote host and, at the bottom, it should tell you
which host it liked and how far off your clock is.  Note that the
remote hosts must be running the xntpd server for this to work.

Chris -)-----

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>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:23 -0600, eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Eric Liu) said:

 Eric> Hi!  This new user has another unsolved problem.  *grin* Background: Got
 Eric> and installed motifnls_2.1-1.deb and netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb.  Got the
 Eric> right tar.gz file off of Netscape's site and put it in /tmp, and the
 Eric> installation said that it found the file, so I assumed everything's
 Eric> right.

 Eric> Problem: Typing 'netscape' yields netscape: can't load library
 Eric> 'libXpm.so.4'

Get the package xpm4.7.

However, given the amount of problems seen recently on the list about Netscape,
and matching the right debian Netscape package with the right Netscape tar
file, let me tell you how I do it for myself without netscape.deb package.

1) I have /usr/local/bin/netscape as a script:

#! /bin/sh
# netscape startup script, to get around uggly config problems

XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH

exec /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape $*

2) I make a directory /usr/local/lib/netscape where I put the
netscape-vxxx.tar.gz file

3) cd /usr/local/lib/netscape; tar -zxf netscape-vxxx.tar.gz

That's all... When I switch to a new version, I just have to rename
/usr/local/lib/netscape to /usr/local/lib/netscape.old (or delete it if you
have faith in Netscape...) and go back to 1).  I have done it several times,
and it works smooth! Simple enough, and you don't have to rely on debian
versions to be perfectly in sync with those Netscape bastards...

Speaking of those, you can get rid of those bloody Netscape frames forever by
just issuing this as root:

perl -i.orig -pe '              \
                s/\bnoframes\b/noFrames/g;  \
                s/\bframeset\b/frameSet/g' `which netscape`

and you'll never see a frame again! (see
http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/framefree/index.html for more infos, and 
http://swissnet.ai.mit.edu/wtr/stable-user-interface.html to be convinced why
you should do that...).



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From: Vebjoern Forsmo <vebjorn@hsr.no>
> /etc/inittab:
> 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1

Login does have a built-in 60-second timeout at the "password:" prompt,
and might have a timeout at the "login:" prompt too, I don't remember.

If you run a more normal getty/login on this terminal, you won't have the
problem. If you insist on doing it this way, you might have to hack the
source code if you can't find a solution in the login man page.

> Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.

/tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .

	Bruce


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On 12:45:58 "Richard G. Roberto" wrote:
>>On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
>
>Ah, this may have changed.  When 3.0.3 was out in beta, the
>Metro X server was also beta.  The Xfree beta drivers blew
>it away in performance tests posted on Xfree's web page.
>I know this because I was looking for an alternative to
>Slackware for my home machine and looked into RedHat and
>Debian both.  When I asked Redhat about the Metro X server,
>they said it was a beta server that had a lot of debug code
>in it, thus the slow numbers.  Do you know how the full
>release performs?
>
I tried the Metro X server also on my RH system.  It sucks!  Came
up with the darndest wierd color combinations, and it didn't seem
to pay any attention to fvwm at all--not the colors anyway!  Some
of the gaudiest, gosh awful combinations you could imagine.  Most
of them useless, due to the lack of contrast or the color choices of
fg & bg.  And it was (is) slow.  Real slow.

Paul
>it but there is no "From" field (no colon).  That's strange.
>
>Anyway, thanks for the info!
>
>Richard G. Roberto
>richr@bear.com
>201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
>
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Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?

Thnax!

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After hearing all this stuff about viruses and password security I started
getting nervous, so I grabbed Crack 4.1 off of the net, compiled it, and
started running it over the password files of all the systems whose security I
care about.  On the very small password file of my personal machine it
completes normally, but when I try to run it on a relatively large password
file, I get a system freeze after running for around 45 minutes.  The freeze
appears to be completely reproducible.  I thought at first that the problem
might be related to the beta-test X server that I'm running, but it happens
whether or not X is running.  When I restart after one of these freezes, I get
exactly the same message from fsck every time:

Deleted inode 281219 has zero dtime.

I just made up the number, but in any case it's the same inode every time.
There are no other error messages.

Has any else seen anything like this?  There's clearly a bug somewhere, but I
don't know if the problem is more likely to be in the kernel or in my
hardware.  I haven't seen any other indication of any hardware problems.  My
system is a 200 MHz Pentium Pro, with an Adaptec 2940UW SCSI adapter, a
Quantum Atlas 4.3 GB hard disk, and 80 MB of main memory (if you haven't
looked at RAM prices lately, you should).  I started with Debian 1.1, and have
kept the kernel up to date since then by applying patches as they appeared.

Other than this list, is there an "official" place to report problems like
this?  I'm leery of posting to the newsgroups, because when I did recently, I
was hit by a flood of junk email--the reason for the anti-spam paragraph at
the end of this message.

-Randy
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> Here's a few things that has been bothering me for a while.  Have I done
> something wrong, or should the following be considered bugs:
> 
> /etc/inittab:
> 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
> The problem is that login waits 60 seconds before giving up.  The init
> start to respawn this line until it is disabled for 5 minutes.  This
> behaviour continues forever or until the line is replaced with a "normal"
> inittab-entry.
> 
> /etc/inittab:
> ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin
> This program doesn't seem to know what console it wants it input on and
> therefore doesn't get any input at all.  Had to add /dev/console to get it
> to work.

This isn't really a problem with debian, the real problem is that the
programs don't know what console to use, or the console isn't set up
correctly or something like that.

I have a dumb terminal set up using a hacked version of agetty so it
doesn't prompt for a login name or a password, just runs a program
immediately. It seems to work well. I'll send you a patch to agetty via
private email.

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Hi,

> I have these two lines in a script that cron runs nightly for root 
> 
>         netdate tcp <hostname_of_a_timeserver>
>         clock -u -w    
clock is inteligent enough to correct systematic errors. The options for
this are controled in /etc/adjtime. The clock is adjusted everytime you
boot. If you want this more frequently, put an "clock -au" into cron.daily.
Of course netdate is the better solution, as long as you have net-access.

Greetings
Bernd


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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Tres Hofmeister wrote:

> 
> 	Can someone point me towards info. on how one can duplicate the
> packages installed on one Debian system on another?  Going through
> dselect by hand seems just a bit too tedious for multiple
> installations...  Thanks.
> 
Check out the UpGrades script in the upgrades/ directory. The base_list is
a good example of how to build the list file. Check with me if you need
more pointers.

Luck,
 
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> Background: Got and installed motifnls_2.1-1.deb and
> netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb.  Got the right tar.gz file off of Netscape's

Well, you need libXpm.  Which you can get in the xpm4.7 package.
netscape should probably be fixed to depend on this package.


Jim


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"Daniel Lynes":
> GNU Emacs for OS/2 still has this feature.  Very, very dangerous.

Vi and clones aren't completely safe, either. In some circumstances, at
least, they load a .exrc (and/or .vimrc or whatever) from the current
directory (not the home directory). The intention is that you can
customize the editor differently for different projects. However, imagine
downloading an interesting source package from the net, unpacking it,
and editing a file with vi -- oops, you don't have your ~/.profile any
more. At least it is configurable for vi.

The point is that you should know your tools (rtfm, very thoroughly), and
make sure they don't have these gotchas enabled.

I pointed out comp.risks before, I think, but it's good enough that it
can be repeated: read comp.risks. If you enjoy horror movies, you should
really like comp.risks. Or if your mine is as twisted as mine, you could
view it as a funnier replacement of rec.humor.funny.

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Sherwood,

>> I keep getting the following message when trying to NFS mount any of the
>> exported filesystems.
>> 
>> 	mount clntupd_create: RPC: Program not registered
>> 
>
>Check that on the nfs server that mountd is running. This one is usually
>NOT started from inetd but instead is started from one of the rc files
>

Thanks!  I think you're right!  Just got your repsonse, and looked, and no
mountd...There are four nfsiod's running, but no mountd.  Also, I tried the
old Debian 0.93R6 last nite, and it still works with that system, so this is 
probably it.  

Thanks alot for your answer!
Paul

PS: My distribution came from I-Connect; the CD was cut on Jun 16.  Your
    suggestion led me to the problem; thanks again.  I found all the lines
    that execute the daemons commented out in the script in /init.d.  The
    script was there, and being called on entry to runlevel 2 by the link
    S25netstd_nfs, but all the daemons were not executed by init because
    they were all commented out!




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Sherwood,

I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step. The
option in dselect to 'configure remaining unconfigured packages' could
handle this, instead of the 'install selected packages' option. In this
scenario, the 'install' option would became 'load packages' and all
configuration would be relegated to the 'configure' option. If something
goes wrong during configuration, you can just re-run dselect and hit the
configure option. Good Idea.

Yes, it would be snazzy - and rather helpful - if the system
automatically installed the required packages once an installation
method was selected. It would also make the steps more distinct, as you
say.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	Sherwood Botsford[SMTP:sherwood@space.ualberta.ca]
>Sent: 	19 August 1996 17:07
>To: 	Casper BodenCummins
>Subject: 	RE: kernel size
>
>That's part of the point. More to the point is that there needs to be
>some form of checkpointing for each of these stages.  I should be able
>to back down the ladder too.  If dselect screws up, I should be able,
>with a single command, to revert the system to a bare bones, just after
>the 5 floppy disk install.  Or back to Required only.  All this stuff
>is sort of there.  (Sort of -- yeah.  HOw do you revert to required
>packages only if dselect/dpkg doesn't work. -- or if they work, but
>their databases are gone or corrupt.)  
>
>Right now the separation is vague.  E.g.  
>>From 1-2 --floppy to boot off the hard disk, you get asked for a bunch
>of extraneous info, and if you don't succeed, you have to start again
>with 5 floppies in your hand.  The path from floppies in hand to tiny
>system on disk needs to be made tighter.
>
>The deselect stage right now is a jumble of three different actions:
>1.  Load required base system software.
>2.  Load optional package sets.
>3.  Configure packages.    
>
>I'm saying that stage 1 should be fully automatic after selecting an
>access method.
>
>Stage 2 needs to be redone so that all the install is done, then
>all the config is done. YOu can start a select, and have it stop 
>after 10 minutes while it asks
>you a questions. YOu have to keep coming back to it every several
>minutes to hit a few keys. This is annoying as hell. 
>
>During one installation I asked for an X install  during the requried
>install, then managed to lock up my box during the X configuration.
>Result -- machine in ambigious state.


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There probably wouldn't quite be room to include the kitchen sink. :->

IMHO, a better alternative to the large, best-endeavours kernel would be
to ship a really tight kernel and use the installation front-end to
configure additional support (in modules where possible or desirable).

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	David J. Evans[SMTP:d.j.evans@reading.ac.uk]
>Sent: 	16 August 1996 14:12
>To: 	'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
>Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
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>work?)
>
>
>On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:04:04 +0100 Casper BodenCummins 
><bodec@Sherwood.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[snipped stuff about PS/2 support not being present by 
>default ....]
>
>> The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
>> features, or pared down.
>
>As a brand new Debian user who didn't even know how to 
>spell Colonel until recently, and who has been caught out 
>by the lack of PS/2 support, I'd vote for a large 
>"everything and the kitchen sink" kernel to cover most 
>eventualities.  This will give heart to new-users and 
>upgraders, and can trimmed and tweaked by the gurus.
>
>And thank you to all who responded with my "newbie" 
>question about telnetting in as root to a box without a 
>screen or keyboard - su and /etc/securetty were all new to 
>me.
>
>David
>
>______________
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>AMS, Virology Research Group, The University of Reading
>Whiteknights, P.O. Box 228, Reading RG6 6AJ
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>
>
>


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This is my original post <cas>

cas> I've a kernel on the /dev/sda2 partition in the /boot directory,
cas> and it's called vmlinuz.   My boot partition doesn't seem to be set
cas> correctly, because it's not booting /dev/sda2 as root.  Instead, it
cas> displays "Loading Linux ....", then "boot: " and then 
cas> "Loading Linux ...." again in an endless loop. 

Bruce replies:
b> Can you make it boot using a floppy disk kernel? You should be able to
b> boot the installation root disk with the command
b> "linux root=XXX", and have it come up on your hard disk root (I'm
b> assuming you have a hard disk root already installed). Send me your
b> lilo.conf .

I used the debian boot and root disks (root is now a ram drive)
and I've mounted my original root drive on /target.  From there,
I've tried to re-lilo.  Here's the scoop:

# mount
/dev/ramdisk0 on / type minix (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
/dev/sda2 on /target type ext2 (rw)

# df
Filesystem    1024 blocks Used  Available Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ramdisk0     1404    1237     167      88%        /
/dev/sda2      1436388  392333  969834      29%        /target

# fdisk  (then "p")
   Device Boot Begin Start  End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  *    1      1    251   513891   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/sda2     252    252    976 1484437+  83  Linux native
/dev/sda3     977    977   1003   55282+  82  Linux swap

salwen replies:
s> Is it possible that you have a disk that is bigger than your bios rom
s> knows how to handle?  Or that you changed the kernel but didn't run
s> lilo again?

Yes, to both. The disk is large and I may not have run lilo _properly_
when I updated the kernel image stored as /boot/vmlinuz. I ran lilo.

The drive is a SLED (Single Large Expensive Disk).
What if I had drives in a RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks)?  
How can I tell if the BIOS is going to handle it?  I think I have a 
rom on the controller that supports the large drives and supports hardware
RAID (And Linux supports software RAID in the new kernel!)

Here's the messed up lilo.conf on what now is /target/etc/lilo.conf:

boot=/dev/sda2
root=/dev/sda2
install=/target/boot/boot.b
vga=normal
delay=20
image=/target/boot/vmlinuz
label=Linux

I can't even begin to speculate on what this is all doing.  I know the
kernel supports the hardware.  After the install of 2.0.0, I compiled
2.0.10, installed it, ran lilo, booted.  Then I compiled 2.0.13, installed
it, ran lilo, and didn't boot. I tried running lilo again, after booting
from the install floppys, then I edited lilo.conf as seen above and tried
again.   Is there any hope?

Charles

PS.  Sorry if I've sent duplicate copies when replying to the people
who've replied to my first post.  Thank you for your encouragement.



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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> Jean Orloff writes:
> > Since I'm there: `ps` is also broken in my custom 2.0.0 kernel. It complains
> > about being unable to find libproc.so. Any chance this may be cured at the same
> > time? I got into the trouble of making a custom kernel because of the PS/2
> > mouse problem amply mentionned before...
> 
> Try re-installing the proc package. There may be a bug in the postinst.
> 
> Michael
> 
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> I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
> months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,

In that case you might want to try the archives.
You will get a much speedier response from there, I'm sure :).
Sorry can't answer your question.

Regards,
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I installed Debian just last night (coming from Redhat) and I'm impressed
with it so far.  One trouble though: I installed latex and related tex
packages, but when I run latex I get "can't find default format file".
AFAIK this indicates the kpathsea path information wasn't set up correctly.
The configuration succeeded as far as I can tell.  I looked for the texhash
script but couldn't find it.

I don't have any tex-related environment variables set, and since I'm
running this right out of the box I'm a little surprised it's not
configured properly.

How do I fix this?  Any hints appreciated.

Thanks,
-Tom


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  Todd>  Is there any chance you have checked the bootparm-howto?
  Todd> 
  Todd> http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw ??  

If you install Debian's doc-linux package, they are also at
        /usr/doc/HOWTO/*

As the doc-linux package is updated monthly with the upstream HOWTOs, you
should always look for the newest one in unstable/binary-all/doc. Safe to
install on any system as it's only text. Hard to put a bug into that :-)

--
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>I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
>months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
>at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
>submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.
>
>I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
>I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
>
>System halted
>general protection: 0000
>CPU: 0
>EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
>EFLAGS: 00010046
>eax: 00005307  ebx: 00000001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 00000000
>esi: bfffff0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
>ds: 0000  es: 0000  fs: 0000  gs: 0000  ss: 0018
>Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
>Stack:  ....

>I'd like to know if this is normal, or a symptom of a needed kernel upgrade,
>or something else entirely.  I hate to post this again, seeing that you have
>all probably solved this and moved on.  But I would greatly appreciate any
>help that you may possibly be able to give.

I had the same symptom with Debian 1.1 with kernel 2.0.0, and it went away
when I reinstalled with the mid-July base disks with kernel 2.0.6.  I hope
this helps...


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Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.

"Craig A. Estey" <cae@best.com> wrote
To: cae@best.com, atristan@galaxy.ucr.edu, bergan@northwest.com,
        dpierce@i2k.net, ericc@arco.com,
        gbutler@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN,
        heitkamp@ibm.net, henryv@CS.Arizona.EDU, ilker@meceng.coe.neu.edu,
        jakeg@einet.com, jkeenan@blkcat.com, knabe@ing.puc.cl,
        legrand@tesla.mbi.ucla.edu, macgyver@sirweb.net,
        marc.houppertz@ping.be, marko.mikulicic@span.ch, nahshon@best.com,
        npetta@atw.fullfeed.com, pcg@aber.ac.uk, pjordan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca,
        pmiller@nyx.cs.du.edu, rcb@bix.suba.com, rhl@CAM.ORG,
        rloignon@infobahnos.com, rsh@Eng.Sun.COM, sam@hyperdream.com,
        semich@ping.li, snellidc@ttown.apci.com, spaa9037@span.ch,
        spam.man@vt.edu, tallpaul@prince.meitca.com, tooze@s-e-group.com,
        troch@texas.com, u6ed4@wvnvm.wvnet.edu, whitney@math.berkeley.edu

>Hi, Folks
>
>All of you have posted problems with serial/PPP to comp.os.linux.* newsgroups
>(under various heading listed at the end of this message).
>
>I had exactly the same problems.  I did some microsecond resolution performance
>profiling of the kernel.  I found a kernel bug and devised a fix.
>I have been scanning the groups and have not found a similar fix anywhere.
>
>Online documentation (FAQ format) that explains all (the *real* problem is
>IRQ priority):
>	http://www.best.com/~cae/irqtune
>
>The entire package:
>	ftp://www.best.com/pub/cae/irqtune.tgz
>
>I've been running the patch for over a month and I tripled the throughput
>of my 33.6 modem from 700 chars/sec to over 2500 chars/sec.  It also fixes
>data dropouts.
>
>I'm going to post this to the newsgroups but I need some testing in various
>configurations.
>
>Please give it a try. I'd greatly appreciate your feedback via email.
>Send your configuration data, what performance you got, what you think.
>
>Thanks,
>Craig Estey
>cae@best.com
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Subjects:
>> Erratic IP forwarding via PPP
>> Hanging file transfers (ppp,linux 1.2.13)
>> Has SLIP gotten slower in 2.0.x?
>> Help with pppd error messages in syslog
>> How to measure speed of my pppp link
>> Linux:/PPP dead end! Do I need NT?
>> Modem quits after 20 seconds
>> Modem trouble (Need Help)
>> NFS over PPP usable?
>> Only getting half my bandwidth through modem (ftp)
>> PPP 2.2.0f connect to Xylogics Annex 4000 hangs
>> PPP Slowness
>> PPP hangs while sending large files
>> PPP problem even after looking at many references/posts to no avail
>> PPP routing problem
>> PPP unreliable
>> PPPD Problem w/ Pentium & Kernel 2.0.7
>> Q: SLIP comm waits on IDE disk
>> RTS/CTS flow control problems with Motorola BSP
>> Re: *very* slow SLIP
>> Re: Has SLIP gotten slower in 2.0.x?
>> Re: How to get precise interrupt timing? (reading RC PPM signal)
>> Re: PPP slow (450bytes/sec)
>> Re: PPP throughput, tuning, & network info
>> Re: Serial port problem with Linux-2.0.x (x > 3)
>> Re: Slow -> halt modem
>> Serial port problem with Linux-2.0.x (x > 3)
>> Speeding up telnet?
>> TCP connections and degrading performance
>> Unexplained PPPD hangups.
>> Weird PPP Latency Effect
>> help I have a very slow ppp connection
>> modem trouble(help)
>> ppp setup problem
>> ppp2.0.d problems. It a BUG or a configuration mistake ????
>> ppp: frame with bad fcs
>> serial handing bug in 2.0.12?



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I've just set up Debian 1.1.5, and have run into one small
but annoying problem right away.  The only option the setup
gave me for time zone was US - Mountain.  Which I chose, with
the result that my system is now reporting Mountain Daylight
Time (with the correct GMT time, since I set it in hardware).

Problem is, most of Arizona doesn't observe Daylight time.
Good old Slackware used to let me select US/Arizona, which
got things right.

Is there a source that has a wider variety of timezone files than
come in the standard /usr/lib/zoneinfo?  Or am I expected to 
figure out zic(8) and roll my own???
-- 
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                                                |              --Heraclitus


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From: "Charles A. Schuman" <cas@io.com>
> # fdisk  (then "p")
>  Device Boot Begin Start  End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1  *    1      1    251   513891   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
> /dev/sda2     252    252    976 1484437+  83  Linux native
> /dev/sda3     977    977   1003   55282+  82  Linux swap

Note the "*" is next to the DOS partition.
This will cause the DOS partition to boot, because it's marked as
the "Boot" partition. I'm not sure what MBR (master
boot record) you have. If you have the Debian one, holding the shift key
down while the system boots will cause a "123FA: " prompt (or something
similar). Press 2 and see if Linux comes up.

If you have the DOS MBR, you won't get that prompt. Use FDISK (on DOS or
Linux) or "activate" on Linux to set /dev/sda2 to be the "Boot" partition.
That will also set the _default_ partition booted by the Debian MBR.

> The drive is a SLED (Single Large Expensive Disk).

Are you sure it's not an IPTMCTWTSFN? That means "I Paid Too Much Compared
to What They Sell For Now". I have a whole room full of those. :-)

> Here's the messed up lilo.conf on what now is /target/etc/lilo.conf:
>
> boot=/dev/sda2
> root=/dev/sda2
> install=/target/boot/boot.b
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> image=/target/boot/vmlinuz
> label=Linux

That looks like an OK lilo.conf but it's living on the sda2 partition
(as it should), and you need to set that "Boot" designation or you'll
never run it.

> I can't even begin to speculate on what this is all doing.

At boot time, the boot ROM loads the first block of the disk. The first
446 bytes of that block contain the MBR. The next 66 bytes are the
partition table. If the MBR starts with the right byte pattern, the ROM
jumps into its code. The MBR looks for first partition in the table
with the "Boot" flag set. The first block (maybe more - I don't know)
of that partition is loaded, and the MBR jumps to that code. In your case
that should be what LILO wrote, but the flag is on the wrong partition so
you boot (or try to boot) the DOS partition instead.

	Bruce


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From: Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk>
> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step.

There may be a bit of misunderstanding here. I did an update of my system
from the "rex" (unstable) directory today using the FTP method of dselect.
Updating from "rex" is a good way to get new bugs, but developers have to
do that. Anyway, the system downloaded and installed all the updated packages
and then configured all of the updated packages. Is this not what your system
does?

In any case, you can use "dselect" to _select_ all of the packages you
want, and then exit dselect and run "dpkg" to install and then select
the ones you've selected. You'll have to figure out the right flags,
but you should be able to separate the installation and configuration
steps. I think this is exactly what "dselect" does - it just runs
"dpkg" once to install, and once to configure.

Am I not understanding the problem?

	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk>
> IMHO, a better alternative to the large, best-endeavours kernel would be
> to ship a really tight kernel and use the installation front-end to
> configure additional support (in modules where possible or desirable).

The stripped-down kernel for 1.2 is currently 362K compressed,
a good deal smaller than the generic one for 1.1 . And that was with
AX.25 included in the kernel (because it's not modularized and I wanted
to experiment with it). The final one will no doubt be smaller.
As far as I can tell, everything that I left out of it is working in module
form. However, some of the modules do not auto-configure the device addresses,
while the linked in version of the same driver does. We might have to help the
user a bit with this, but hopefully it will be less of a mess than the
situation we have now, in which the generic kernel can't be made to work for
everyone.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: Justin Ennis <justin@razorback.chinalake.navy.mil>
> I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
> I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
> System halted
> general protection: 0000
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
> EFLAGS: 00010046
> eax: 00005307  ebx: 00000001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 00000000
> esi: bfffff0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
> ds: 0000  es: 0000  fs: 0000  gs: 0000  ss: 0018
> Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
> Stack:  00000246 0000002b 0011002b 00000018 00710018 00714810 bfffff0c 08000e4a
>         bffffdc0 0011231e 00000003 ffffffff 00000009 001cc40a 0010a482 fee1dead
>         28121969 cdef0123 bfffff0c 08000e4a bffffdc0 ffffffda 0803002b 0010002b
> Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
> Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84

My fault. I put the APM driver in the generic kernel. If you get a later
kernel (or build your own custom one) it will get better. It's trying to
call the APM power-off function to turn off your system.

	BrucE


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"Rick Macdonald wrote:"
> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:
> 
> > : Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.
> > 
> > Actually, that depends upon your E'mail system.  [...]
> > 
> > ...but that's a hole in Microsoft mail.  Obviously, this kind of thing
> > could not be done via the standard Unix mail system (unless you had a
> > MIME-aware mail reader that was willing to run Java code for you...
> > Oooops!)
> 
> Actually...
> 
> I don't use emacs for email, but apparently its mail reader uses the emacs
> "enable-local-variables" feature. And, apparently, some mischief can be
> done by this mechanism. [...]
> 
> Perhaps someone on the list is more familiar with this issue and emacs
> mail.

See Linux Journal #24 (April 1996) for an interesting article on this
and related topics.  Nutshell synopsis: be *very* careful with your
MIME mail setup!

-- 
Bill Roman  (roman@songdog.eskimo.com / roman@songdog.uucp)   running linux


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From: Randy Gobbel <gobbel%phaistos@phaistos.ucsd.edu>

> but when I try to run it on a relatively large password
> file, I get a system freeze after running for around 45 minutes.

Watch its memory usage, and see if it is using up your swap space.
It's probably dying when memory usage gets to a particular value.
You might be able to get around the problem by adding swap space.
Of course it should fail more gracefully than hanging the system.

> Deleted inode 281219 has zero dtime.

We have allocated the inode in /usr/src/linux/fs/ext/ialloc.c, but we
have not gotten to use it for something (or that something did not get
its block written from the RAM cache to disk before the crash). Harmless.

If you want to help track down a kernel bug, please subscribe to
linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu . They can handle it a lot better than
we can.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jean Orloff wrote

-- extra stuff deleted --

> is getting on my nerves (and I won't let my wife or kids do that...). So what I
> would like is some graphical front-end to pppd, displaying the status, and
> with buttons to start/stop a connection. This could be started by root at boot
> time, solving the suid problems. (I tried 
> 	chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd /usr/sbin/chat; 
> 	chmod a+rx /etc/ppp/chat* 
> but no way I could fire a ppp session as a simple mortal user...). Including a
> prompt for the password in such a setup would be relatively trivial.
> 
> Does anyone know of something of this kind? I vaguely saw a related tool for
> diald: a good hint? Come on: we could easily do better than windoze and the
> uggly trumpet winsock on this one, and this is a huge selling argument!
> 
> Amities,
> 
> 		Jean Orloff
> +++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
> +Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
> +++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
> "The pistol of a flower is its only protections agenst insects."
> >From science exams at high-school.
> +++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
> 
>

I use TKppp. I believe I got it from sunsite. I made a few modifications 
to suit my personality, but it it is mostly stock. It does auto-redial, 
auto-reconnect, and pings at an interval (user-defined) to keep your ISP 
from shutting you off if you take too long reading your mail :-\.

 
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> A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
>but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
>installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
>minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?

The developers may have their own reasons for breaking up the packages
but I can suggest a couple.

If people are pulling the packages over a phone line there is an advantage to
limitting the size of individual packages.  That way they can hang up the
phone periodically.  Also, if a bug shows up that needs to be fixed they
only have to download the package that is broken.

Nathan


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>s> Is it possible that you have a disk that is bigger than your bios rom
>s> knows how to handle?
>How can I tell if the BIOS is going to handle it? 
Well, if you needed to load a special driver to run DOS with the disk then
the BIOS dowsn't handle it.  Since you have less than 1024 cylinders on the
disk I don't think this is the problem, though.

Sorry I'm not of more help.

Nathan



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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:27:58 EDT Tom Fawcett (fawcett@nynexst.com) 
wrote:

> I installed Debian just last night (coming from Redhat) and I'm impressed
> with it so far.  One trouble though: I installed latex and related tex
> packages, but when I run latex I get "can't find default format file".
> AFAIK this indicates the kpathsea path information wasn't set up correctly.
> The configuration succeeded as far as I can tell.  I looked for the texhash
> script but couldn't find it.
> 
> I don't have any tex-related environment variables set, and since I'm
> running this right out of the box I'm a little surprised it's not
> configured properly.
> 
> How do I fix this?  Any hints appreciated.

No, this is a Debian bug. More generally, to close a few security holes and fix some bugs, log into ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/Debian-1.1-updates and get all the packages there. You'll also grab an update for mflib which will fix the problem.

If you use latex, you'll probably have problems with font later, and try to download  mfbasfnt_1.0-5 from the rex/binary/tex section and mfdcfnt_1.0-1_all.deb from the non-free/binary section.

Good luck !

Phil.



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   of "Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:39:33 CDT."References: <9608201639.ZM4224@Ruby.nts.umn.edu>  <m0usrRK-0004kDC@lina> 
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> Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
> issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?

Motif is a set of "proprietary" libraries licensed by OSF.  So it
costs money to get them.  I've bought them for $99.00 at InfoMagic
(http://www.infomagic.com), but I've heard some people quote and
amazingly low price of $40.00.  Normally one sees them going for
$200.00 or so.

Lesstif is an attempt to duplicate the API of Motif, without using the
proprietary source code.  They want to allow anybody to compile and
run Motif programs using Lesstif.  Lesstif is free, and is put out by
the Hungry Programmers (http://www.hungry.com).  As far as I can tell,
it is still very unstable, and not usable for something like
StarOffice.  But others who have actually used it should speak up.


Jim


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> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step. The
> option in dselect to 'configure remaining unconfigured packages' could
> handle this, instead of the 'install selected packages' option. In this
> scenario, the 'install' option would became 'load packages' and all
> configuration would be relegated to the 'configure' option. If something
> goes wrong during configuration, you can just re-run dselect and hit the
> configure option. Good Idea.

One thing I find a bit annoying with dselect/dpkg is the way it checks
the version of EVERY package when you pick Install. Last night I did
an NFS installation (and the remote source was from CD-ROM), and this
step was very slow. Can anything be done about this, eg trusting
the packages list instead of looking for newer versions, or whatever?

Also, how does dselect cope if it doesn't have the root debian tree?
For the past few days I've been fiddling a lot and I've had the
Debian CD in my CD-ROM drive all the time, but I'm about to lend it
to someone. Will dselect still work with nothing but a local directory,
or should I just use dpkg by hand?



thanks,
Hamish




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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:23:16 EDT renald loignon (rhl@CAM.ORG) wrote:

> Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
> following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
> overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
> and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
> me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.
[mail copy snipped]

I've browsed through the web page, and this just looks sensible to me.
The question is: why isn't this part of standard kernel ?

Phil.



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Bruce Perens wrote:
: 
: Thus, I'll ask Ian Jackson. How about three flags to dpkg?
: 
: 	--select package-name [package-name ...]
: 		Selects a list of packages for later installation.
: 	--deselect package-name [package-name ...]
: 		De-selects a list of packages for later removal.
: 	--list-selected
: 		Lists selected packages in a way suitable for inclusion in a list
: 		passed to --select.
: 

I'd vote for these flags too ... (It would it make possible to create
lists for somewhat more customized systems (TeXt Processing, Network
Server, Software Development ...).) 

    Heiko
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Eric Liu writes:
> Problem: Typing 'netscape' yields
>         netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4'

Install xpm4.7. That'll help.

> The installations did not complain of missing dependencies.  I can't

Should we add one here? I think so.

Michael

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Howdy!

	I just picked up the LAN adapter mentioned in the subject;  it  
replaces a Cogent BusMaster 960 that sporadically locked up under heavy load  
[ick!].
	
	It works perfectly under my primary OS-- NEXTSTEP-- but I can't  
find a driver that works for Linux.  The driver that drives the Pro/100 does  
NOT work with this card.
	
	The card uses an 82557 Intel Ethernet Controller.
	
	Anyone know of a working driver for it or someone who is  
developping said driver and needs an alpha/beta tester?  I have a second,  
very slow Linux system with a full-blown development environment, so  
building a custom kernel to whatever version is necessary is not a problem.
	
	thanks,
	b.bum


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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> From: Vebjoern Forsmo <vebjorn@hsr.no>
> > /etc/inittab:
> > 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
> 
> Login does have a built-in 60-second timeout at the "password:" prompt,
> and might have a timeout at the "login:" prompt too, I don't remember.

The above line puts you right at the password: prompt, so the 60 second
password timeout is the cause of the problem.

> If you run a more normal getty/login on this terminal, you won't have the
> problem. If you insist on doing it this way, you might have to hack the
> source code if you can't find a solution in the login man page.

I've changed this back to a "normal" entry, but the above is what was
installed by the bootdisks available sometime around the beginning of
August when I installed Debian on a server.  Sysvinit 2.64-1 has a normal
looking inittab.

Anyway, there was a comment too:

# This is the only special line - the rest is straight from the normal inittab.
1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1

> > Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.
> /tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .

I too thought about doing it this way, but I'm a bit unsure about what
happens if the partition /var/tmp resides on can't be mounted? (Are there
any important programs that depend upon /tmp?)

Vebby


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Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
> Whenever I try to do a netdate to any site, I get a connection refused 
> error, I done both tcp and udp.  Could it be because I am behind a firewall?

Don't know if this will help, but the xntp-docs says the following
about ntpdate:

   -u
          Direct ntpdate to use an unprivileged port or outgoing packets.
          This is most useful when behind a firewall that blocks incoming
          traffic to privileged ports, and you want to synchronise with
          hosts beyond the firewall. Note that the -d option always uses
          unprivileged ports.

Vebby


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> If people are pulling the packages over a phone line there is an advantage to
> limitting the size of individual packages.  That way they can hang up the
> phone periodically.  Also, if a bug shows up that needs to be fixed they
> only have to download the package that is broken.

There is a plan to split all packages in parts of 460k if they are 460k or
bigger.  However the installation tools aren't supporting this yet.

Erick 


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> Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
> issues with Motif?

Please clarify what you mean by "the issues".

> Why is Motif hard to come by 

Because it is commercial software. You have to pay for it.
Several vendors sell Motif for Linux. See the "Linux Commercial HOWTO",
section "Product groups", subsection "X Windows related products" for 
details.

> and what is Lesstif?

Lesstif (http://www.hungry.com/products/) is a freeware clone of Motif
1.2. Once it is finished, you can use it to compile or run code that
requires Motif.

Hope this helps,
Ray
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John Houwen wrote:
> 
> Miro,
> 
> I appreciate your comments, but that is part of the problem ... smail
> *won't* install unless sendmail is removed!  At the same time, dpkg
> refuses to remove sendmail unless smail is installed ... like Catch-22 :)
> 
> Sorry about the mis-understanding ...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:
> 
> > John Houwen wrote:
> > >
> < ascii deleted>
> > > Can anyone help with this?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Sounds strange. Anyway, the simplest way would probably be to
> > install smail, and then remove sendmail :-)
> >
> >

Allright, I get it now. What you gotta do to remove sendmail is
edit the "status" file in /var/lib/dpkg. This is the file that
dpkg relies upon to perform its main functions. What you have to do
is search the file for the sendmail section, and remove smail from
the "depends upon" line (or possibly some other line).

Good luck...:-)


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Different people maintain different packages. One of the main
strengths of debian is that there is an "expert" who is in control of
a package. A minimal X installation is quite large. It would be very
unfair to expect someone(who donates their time) to be able to
maintain such complex programs as xdm, fvwm, and and several xservers
all at once.

	-Josh Stockwell

>>> A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
>>> but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
>>> installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
>>> minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Billy C.-M. Chow          billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk          Debian Linux


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Bruce Perens wrote:
> I think this is _almost_ right. What you need is to copy the dpkg status
> file in a way that marks the packages as selected _but_not_installed_ on
> the second system. It would take a script to do this, because you don't want
> to take anything that got installed in the base and mark it as "selected but
> not installed". However, having the
> capability to make lists of selections and pass them around would be nice.
> Thus, I'll ask Ian Jackson. How about three flags to dpkg?
> 
>         --select package-name [package-name ...]
>                 Selects a list of packages for later installation.
>         --deselect package-name [package-name ...]
>                 De-selects a list of packages for later removal.
>         --list-selected
>                 Lists selected packages in a way suitable for inclusion in a list
>                 passed to --select.
> 
> There may well be flags to do this now, but I've missed them.
> This would allow you to set up the selections via a shell script or something,
> and then start dselect to fine-tune what you have selected.
> 
>         Thanks
> 
>         Bruce

This is a great idea!  Its exactly what I've been wishing for.  I'd be
able to get one system installed right and then cruise through the
installation of the other 29 systems here.

It would also be nice to have an option in dselect to pick this method
of selection.  Then if minor tweaks need to be made to what's selected
they can be done in the normal manor before proceeding with the install.
But this is just cosmetic.  The options you suggest would make me very
happy.

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Hi guys,

Does anyone of you know how to use the win32gcc package? Did I miss some
documenation or websites? Am I right when I assume that with this package
I can compile and link c++ programs which are runnable on a windows
machine?

Greetings, 
Wilbert.

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| Venlo           | wilberta@win.tue.nl          |
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Justin Ennis wrote:

> I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
> months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
> at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
> submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.
> 
> I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
> I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
> 
> System halted
> general protection: 0000
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
> EFLAGS: 00010046
> eax: 00005307  ebx: 00000001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 00000000
> esi: bfffff0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
> ds: 0000  es: 0000  fs: 0000  gs: 0000  ss: 0018
> Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
> Stack:  00000246 0000002b 0011002b 00000018 00710018 00714810 bfffff0c 08000e4a
>         bffffdc0 0011231e 00000003 ffffffff 00000009 001cc40a 0010a482 fee1dead
>         28121969 cdef0123 bfffff0c 08000e4a bffffdc0 ffffffda 0803002b 0010002b
> Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
> Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84
> 
> I'd like to know if this is normal, or a symptom of a needed kernel upgrade,
> or something else entirely.  I hate to post this again, seeing that you have
> all probably solved this and moved on.  But I would greatly appreciate any
> help that you may possibly be able to give.
> 
> Justin Ennis
> 

I get this periodically for no reason.  I've been a little
busy, and haven't had time to pay attention to it, but It is
distressing.  I'm using the upstream 2.0.12 kernel sources
with the kernel-package package.  I really just assumed that
the 2.0.x kernels need some work in the area of exception
handling.  They seem to hickup a little too easily.

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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Hello.

First a little note if you have seen this message already:
I'm having problems getting the mail go futher than the network the machine
I'm on, so sorry if you see this for the nth time.

jworthington@worldnet.att.net said:
> 
> I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.
> 
> I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
> identifiers for these
> HPFS partitions:
> 
>   /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
> 
>   /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown
> 
> 
> The Unknown partition type (id 17) was created by OS/2 Warp fdisk during
> the installation process.  It is also a primary partition.
> 
> The HPFS partition type (id 7) was created by OS/2 Warp after
> installation.  Note that this is an extended partition.
> 
> Has anybody else observed the two different identifers for HPFS
> filesystems?  Is this a Bug?  Linux produces some error messages when
> mounting the id 17 filesystem but it everything seems to work ok.  I
> didn't observe any error messages when mounting the id 7 filesystem
> which also works fine.
> 
> OS/2 Warp doesn't complain at all.
> 
> 

I already sent a mail about this but it didn't reach the debian list to my 
knowledge, so here I go again. Sorry if somebody gets this twice.

Yes. I have this behaviour in my system as well, although in my case it's
a FAT partition. I have two primary ones on my first hard disk, so one is 
always hidden (for DOZ and OS/2).

When I check out the partion types with fdisk under Linux I see that the 
partition that is considered hidden has id 16 in contrast to the one that 
isn't hidden, id 6. Then if I make the hidden one unhidden (and the other 
one hidden) the ids have changed places.


How about that,

							MartinS





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On a similar note, if you have the modelines option set for vi (in
EXINIT or .exrc), the first and last 5 lines of the file can be executed
as vi or ex commands. Try the following for some fun:

	echo "vi: :!ls -lR ~ :" >tmp.file
	EXINIT="set ml" vi tmp.file

and wistfully watch all those files fly by. See ex(1) for details.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	Daniel Lynes[SMTP:dbl@eznet.ca]
>Sent: 	19 August 1996 18:54
>To: 	Debian Users
>Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject: 	Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]
>
>On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:47:04 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>
>>However, stupid people can also write mail user programs that automatically
>>run a program that comes in e-mail. Even more stupid people use such 
>
>UltiMail/2 Lite for OS/2 (comes with the Internet Access Kit) has such
>a feature.  However, the program is not automatically run.  You need to
>double click on it to run it.
>
>>GNU Emacs had a similar feature (certain magic lines in a file could
>>run any Emacs commands automatically when the file was loaded -- and
>>Emacs commands are powerful indeed).
>
>GNU Emacs for OS/2 still has this feature.  Very, very dangerous.
>
>


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Hi!

I just discovered that the files in /usr/lib/perl5/pod are chmod 440
(-r--r-----), which makes it impossible to use the diagnostic feature
of perl5:

        #!/usr/bin/perl -w

        use diagnostics;
        use strict;

as propagated in the Perl FAQ.

I chmoded them to 444, and now everything works.

Ciao,
	- Krid -

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> >> I keep getting the following message when trying to NFS mount any of the
> >> exported filesystems.
> >> 
> >> 	mount clntupd_create: RPC: Program not registered
> >> 
> >
> >Check that on the nfs server that mountd is running. This one is usually
> >NOT started from inetd but instead is started from one of the rc files
> >

   I realize this is most likely the correct answer, but I will add
another solution just for the sake of completeness. At one point I _did_
have all the correct daemons running (nfsd, mountd), and still came up
with this error. It turned out that I had fiddled around with
/etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny too much and shut off nearly
everything. This generates the same error as not having mountd running.
Wonderfully descriptive :)

                             SJG



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Martin Str|mberg wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> jworthington@worldnet.att.net said:
> >
> > I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.
> >
> > I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
> > identifiers for HPFS partitions:
> >
> >   /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
> >
> >   /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown
> >
> >
> > Has anybody else observed the two different identifers for HPFS
> > filesystems?  Is this a Bug?  Linux produces some error messages when
> > mounting the id 17 filesystem but it everything seems to work ok.  I
> > didn't observe any error messages when mounting the id 7 filesystem
> > which also works fine.
> 
> Yes. I have this behaviour in my system as well, although in my case it's
> a FAT partition. I have two primary ones on my first hard disk, so one is
> always hidden (for DOZ and OS/2).
> 
> When I check out the partion types with fdisk under Linux I see that the
> partition that is considered hidden has id 16 in contrast to the one that
> isn't hidden, id 6. Then if I make the hidden one unhidden (and the other
> one hidden) the ids have changed places.
> 
> How about that,
> 
> MartinS

I think that you've hit the nail on the head!

I'm running 3 primary partitions (Win95, OS/2, OS/2 Boot Manager) and 2
extended partitions (Linux, Linux Swap).  I believe that OS/2 Boot
manager automatically makes the unselected primary partition hidden. 
The last invoked primary partition is left in the un-hidden state.

I just booted up OS/2 using Boot Manager to make the OS/2 partition
unhidden.  I then booted Linux also via OS/2 Boot Manager.  Fdisk
reported:

         /dev/hda1  id 16  Unknown   (previously reported as id 6)
         /dev/hda2  id  7  OS/2 HPFS

The OS/2 partition is now being reported correctly and the Win95 FAT
partition is being reported as Unknown.

Now, What is the solution to the problem?  Do we indeed have 2 new
partition types:

         id 16  Dos FAT   (hidden)
         id 17  OS/2 HPFS (hidden)

Or is it possible that Linux fdisk is mis-reading a partition table bit
that serves some other purpose than (id)?  OS/2 makes reference to
partitions that are <bootable> and <startable>.  How are these
attributes dealt with under Linux?

Jim


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A couple of days ago, I wrote:
> 
> I fetch mail from my ISP using a line like:
> popclient -3 -P ~/.my_password_file my_ISPs_mailhost
> 
> This mail is processed by my ~/.rules file, and messages which aren't 
> automatically refiled as a result of matching one of the rules are then
> stored in the file ~/mbox.sgk, which has the same format as 
> /var/spool/mail/sgk.
> 
> Then I try to fetch mail messages from mbox.sgk into my MH inbox,
> by executing:   
>    inc -file ~/mbox.sgk
> 
> What's odd is that I often have to execute inc more than 1 time -- sometimes
> 2 times, to get all the files from mbox.sgk into +inbox.  


I applied Michael Harnois suggestion to have all messages automatically
processed by .rules, so messages which don't match any other rule go
straight to +inbox without my having to execute 'inc'.  That removes
a complication from the above story, but does not eliminate the problem.

Witness the following:

$ popclient -3 -P ~/.tiac pop1.tiac.net
QUALCOMM Pop server derived from UCB (version |214r3+TIAC|) at mailserver1 starting.
1 messages in folder
reading message 1...
$ scan last
4955  08/20 Michael Meskes     Re: Shadow vss PAM<<Patrick W
$ scan last
4956  08/21 To:jbs@phast.umas  monitor info<<Hi Janice -- Yo

Notice that:
-- the popclient finished before I executed the 'scan' command,
-- the first of the two "scan last" commands finished before I executed
   the second.
-- the second "scan last" yielded a different result the second time
   I invoked it.  

This must certainly be a bug.  I don't know if it is in popclient, 
mailagent, or possibly MH.

I'm hesitant to submit a bug report til I know which one it is.
Comments welcome (but of course, I can't guarantee I'll see them!).

Susan Kleinmann




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After hearing all this stuff about viruses and password security I started
getting nervous, so I grabbed Crack 4.1 off of the net, compiled it, and
started running it over the password files of all the systems whose security I
care about.  On the very small password file of my personal machine it
completes normally, but when I try to run it on a relatively large password
file, I get a system freeze after running for around 45 minutes.  The freeze
appears to be completely reproducible.  I thought at first that the problem
might be related to the beta-test X server that I'm running, but it happens
whether or not X is running.  When I restart after one of these freezes, I get
exactly the same message from fsck every time:

Deleted inode 281219 has zero dtime.

I just made up the number, but in any case it's the same inode every time.
There are no other error messages.

Has any else seen anything like this?  There's clearly a bug somewhere, but I
don't know if the problem is more likely to be in the kernel or in my
hardware.  I haven't seen any other indication of any hardware problems.  My
system is a 200 MHz Pentium Pro, with an Adaptec 2940UW SCSI adapter, a
Quantum Atlas 4.3 GB hard disk, and 80 MB of main memory (if you haven't
looked at RAM prices lately, you should).  I started with Debian 1.1, and have
kept the kernel up to date since then by applying patches as they appeared.

Other than this list, is there an "official" place to report problems like
this?  I'm leery of posting to the newsgroups, because when I did recently, I
was hit by a flood of junk email--the reason for the anti-spam paragraph at
the end of this message.

-Randy
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I discovered (more or less) what was happening, by a fluke experience!

I have another account at another ISP on which I had never previously
checked my mail til today.  My user name at the other ISP is just "susan".  
Now, the likelihood that they've had (in the past) another user named susan 
is not small.  When I executed popclient with user name 'susan' to my
alternate ISP, I got a flood of 904 mail messages!  Apparently, the 
ghost-of-susan-past had subscribed to a very active mailing list 
(majordomo), and then never unsubscribed.

This gave an opportunity to check where the messages were going:

popclient calls sendmail.
The messages being received seem to go first into /var/spool/mqueue.
Then the messages go from there to ~/var/mailagent/queue.
Since the last line of my ~/.rules file is "{ SAVE +inbox };", files that
don't match any preceding rules go from ~/var/mailagent/queue to +inbox.
Apparently, mailagent doesn't finish dumping its queue (either to 
mbox.username or to +inbox) before it lets the user start reading the results.

I don't know if this is the planned procedure, but it seems both 
inefficient (3 boxes for each message) and confusing (the user isn't 
notified when mailagent is finished its work).

Sorry for using so much bandwidth over this problem; I hope some of it
is useful to somebody.

Susan Kleinmann


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<SNAP ON>

 ----------
From:  salwen[SMTP:salwen@phys2.harvard.edu]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 21, 1996 1:23 AM
To:  billy.chow
Cc:  debian-user
Subject:  Re: X11 and LaTeX minimal install


> A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
>but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
>installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
>minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?

The developers may have their own reasons for breaking up the packages
but I can suggest a couple.

If people are pulling the packages over a phone line there is an   
advantage to
limitting the size of individual packages.  That way they can hang up the
phone periodically.  Also, if a bug shows up that needs to be fixed they
only have to download the package that is broken.

Nathan


<SNAP OFF>

And what about Floppy Installation like myself !
I can install most of the debian package with single floppy
(1.44M although :) and only have to split few ones...

It can be a good thing if you can set a more pratical multiple
floppy installation scheme for those who needs space to install...
But I think you already discuss about it! :)


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Perhaps I misunderstand the dselect installation process, but I thought
that dselect unpacks the all selected packages before running the
installation and configuration scripts. If one configuration goes badly
wrong, doesn't this leave a bundle of unpacked and unconfigured packages
lying about?

Probably confused,
Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	bruce@pixar.com[SMTP:bruce@pixar.com]
>Sent: 	21 August 1996 05:45
>To: 	Casper BodenCummins; 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
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>
>From: Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk>
>> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step.
>
>There may be a bit of misunderstanding here. I did an update of my
>system
>from the "rex" (unstable) directory today using the FTP method of
>dselect.
>Updating from "rex" is a good way to get new bugs, but developers have
>to
>do that. Anyway, the system downloaded and installed all the updated
>packages
>and then configured all of the updated packages. Is this not what your
>system
>does?
>
>In any case, you can use "dselect" to _select_ all of the packages you
>want, and then exit dselect and run "dpkg" to install and then select
>the ones you've selected. You'll have to figure out the right flags,
>but you should be able to separate the installation and configuration
>steps. I think this is exactly what "dselect" does - it just runs
>"dpkg" once to install, and once to configure.
>
>Am I not understanding the problem?
>
>	Thanks
>
>	Bruce
>


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> Problem is, most of Arizona doesn't observe Daylight time.
> Good old Slackware used to let me select US/Arizona, which
> got things right.

You can get Arizona by using America/Phoenix (submenu 3 from
'tzconfig').  You should probably file two bug reports with the debian
bug tracking system (that Indiana and Arizona et al. aren't in the US
submenu, and that US cities are in the "America excluding US"
submenu).


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Hamish,

>One thing I find a bit annoying with dselect/dpkg is the way it checks
>the version of EVERY package when you pick Install. Last night I did
>an NFS installation (and the remote source was from CD-ROM), and this
>step was very slow. Can anything be done about this, eg trusting
>the packages list instead of looking for newer versions, or whatever?

You could run through these packages in dselect typing =. This makes the
process run a little faster, but has the disadvantage that it doesn't
automatically install upgrades.

The version checking process is is a bit slow, I agree, but the tradeoff
in flexibility is probably worthwhile. At least for now.

>Also, how does dselect cope if it doesn't have the root debian tree?
>For the past few days I've been fiddling a lot and I've had the
>Debian CD in my CD-ROM drive all the time, but I'm about to lend it
>to someone. Will dselect still work with nothing but a local directory,
>or should I just use dpkg by hand?
>
Without a debian package tree it just presents you with a list of
installed packages. However, you can set the access method to use a
>local or NFS-mounted directory (and I think ftp - dunno offhand).

>Casper Boden-Cummins.


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From:  Hamish Moffatt[SMTP:moffatt@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU]
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> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step. The
> option in dselect to 'configure remaining unconfigured packages' could
> handle this, instead of the 'install selected packages' option. In this
> scenario, the 'install' option would became 'load packages' and all
> configuration would be relegated to the 'configure' option. If   
something
> goes wrong during configuration, you can just re-run dselect and hit   
the
> configure option. Good Idea.

One thing I find a bit annoying with dselect/dpkg is the way it checks
the version of EVERY package when you pick Install. Last night I did
an NFS installation (and the remote source was from CD-ROM), and this
step was very slow. Can anything be done about this, eg trusting
the packages list instead of looking for newer versions, or whatever?

Also, how does dselect cope if it doesn't have the root debian tree?
For the past few days I've been fiddling a lot and I've had the
Debian CD in my CD-ROM drive all the time, but I'm about to lend it
to someone. Will dselect still work with nothing but a local directory,
or should I just use dpkg by hand?



thanks,
Hamish

<SNAP OFF>

Please, if you do so, let the check version in the available
options. I find it really pratical seem I'm using msdos names
package.

One pratical thing would be to put the current version
number side to the package name in the recurse dependancies
list, so we can see it when we got some "(>= x.yy version)"
dependancies.






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> However, given the amount of problems seen recently on the list about Netscape,
> and matching the right debian Netscape package with the right Netscape tar
> file, let me tell you how I do it for myself without netscape.deb package.

There are no problems.  People just have to be a little patient while
I get around to building the latest version and while Debian gets it
into their distribution.


> 1) I have /usr/local/bin/netscape as a script:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> # netscape startup script, to get around uggly config problems
> 
> XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
> XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH
> 
> exec /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape $*
> 
> 2) I make a directory /usr/local/lib/netscape where I put the
> netscape-vxxx.tar.gz file
> 
> 3) cd /usr/local/lib/netscape; tar -zxf netscape-vxxx.tar.gz

There are a few problems with this...

1)  Java will not be functional.
2)  Debian "mime-support" will not be supported by default


                                        Brian
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Hi all,

Following the thread about how to enhance dselect/dpkg to ease 
re-installation, I would like to suggest my idea:

A menu item in dselect to store the present configuration on the
base diskettes.

One of the main uses for the root, boot and base 
diskettes is in case there is serious damage to your system or
in case you need to install on multiple machines.

It would be cool to be able to recreate the exact configuration based
on info stored on these diskettes.  The /var/lib/dpkg/status file is only
152 Kbytes in my case.  Surely it would fit on the base diskettes.

This sounds as if it would be easy to implement too.
Users, would simply need to be encouraged to update their base 
diskettes after any major status changes.

Regards,
jay


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> > Background: Got and installed motifnls_2.1-1.deb and
> > netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb.  Got the right tar.gz file off of Netscape's
> 
> Well, you need libXpm.  Which you can get in the xpm4.7 package.
> netscape should probably be fixed to depend on this package.

Consider it done.

                                        Brian
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Juha Ylitalo wrote:

> > XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
> > XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH
> 
> Do those XKeysymDB and XNLSPATH really provide something useful or have
> you used them only because they are provided ?

The following info has been in the Netscape README file since at least
version 1.12N. It used to say "SunOS 4.1, Linux, and BSDI:", but Linux was
taken out of the title during the 3.0 beta releases. The cut and paste
error certainly occured for me back with v1.1, and was fixed by installing
the NLS stuff as indicated in the README. I haven't quoted the details of
the NLS installation.

---snip---snip---

SunOS 4.1 and BSD/386:
          These distributions also includes a directory called "nls". This
          directory is a standard part of the MIT X11R5 distribution, but
          is not included with X11R4- or X11R6-based systems (such as
          OpenWindows 3.0 or earlier, and XFree86 3.1 or later.)

          On these systems, Netscape has been linked against X11R5 (because
          Motif 1.2.4 has some bad bugs in conjunction with X11R6.)
          Unfortunately, X11R5 has one rather serious bug, which is that if
          this "nls" directory does not exist, the program will dump core
          any time you try to copy, or paste to or from a text field!

---snip---snip---

...RickM...


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<SNAP ON>

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From:  James A. Robinson[SMTP:jimr@simons-rock.edu]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 21, 1996 2:48 AM
To:  Christopher R. Hertel
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Subject:  Re: Please explain Motif issues (was: StarOffice under Debian)



> Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
> issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?

Motif is a set of "proprietary" libraries licensed by OSF.  So it
costs money to get them.  I've bought them for $99.00 at InfoMagic
(http://www.infomagic.com), but I've heard some people quote and
amazingly low price of $40.00.  Normally one sees them going for
$200.00 or so.

Lesstif is an attempt to duplicate the API of Motif, without using the
proprietary source code.  They want to allow anybody to compile and
run Motif programs using Lesstif.  Lesstif is free, and is put out by
the Hungry Programmers (http://www.hungry.com).  As far as I can tell,
it is still very unstable, and not usable for something like
StarOffice.  But others who have actually used it should speak up.


Jim


<SNAP OFF>

That's the price for the shared libraries distributions
from OSF Motif... You mostly got more with the Infomagic
CD :) There're some really low price if you buy from
OSF Direct Office but I don't understand nothing about
their licences. Whatever, this is the address :

    http://www.osf.org/motif/

But thanks for the lesstif... it's the first time, I was
really happy to find this version of LaserChess!

Fab.


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Hi Larry --

You said (ages ago, sorry):
> 
> Trying to install libtiff3-gif says it depends on libtiff3, but the
> dependency listing says libtiff3 doesn't appear to be available.
> What's the deal here and how can I fix it?

This means that the list of available packages in dselect's memory does
not include libtiff3.  I believe you can fix this by executing

dpkg --update-avail <Packages file>

where the last argument is the full path name to a recent Packages
file on your file system (or on a remote system if you're using dpkg-ftp),

or you can use dselect, and choose the Access method again.  This will
cause dselect to run off and re-read the Packages file again.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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<SNAP ON>
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From:  Bruce Perens[SMTP:Bruce@pixar.com]
Sent:  Tuesday, August 20, 1996 9:34 PM
To:  bruce; salwen; Happy Linux Users; Charles A. Schuman
Subject:  Re:  #1, make it boot!  Engage.


From: "Charles A. Schuman" <cas@io.com>
> # fdisk  (then "p")
>  Device Boot Begin Start  End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1  *    1      1    251   513891   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
> /dev/sda2     252    252    976 1484437+  83  Linux native
> /dev/sda3     977    977   1003   55282+  82  Linux swap

Note the "*" is next to the DOS partition.
This will cause the DOS partition to boot, because it's marked as
the "Boot" partition. I'm not sure what MBR (master
boot record) you have. If you have the Debian one, holding the shift key
down while the system boots will cause a "123FA: " prompt (or something
similar). Press 2 and see if Linux comes up.

If you have the DOS MBR, you won't get that prompt. Use FDISK (on DOS or
Linux) or "activate" on Linux to set /dev/sda2 to be the "Boot"   
partition.
That will also set the _default_ partition booted by the Debian MBR.

> The drive is a SLED (Single Large Expensive Disk).

Are you sure it's not an IPTMCTWTSFN? That means "I Paid Too Much   
Compared
to What They Sell For Now". I have a whole room full of those. :-)

> Here's the messed up lilo.conf on what now is /target/etc/lilo.conf:
>
> boot=/dev/sda2
> root=/dev/sda2
> install=/target/boot/boot.b
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> image=/target/boot/vmlinuz
> label=Linux

That looks like an OK lilo.conf but it's living on the sda2 partition
(as it should), and you need to set that "Boot" designation or you'll
never run it.

> I can't even begin to speculate on what this is all doing.

At boot time, the boot ROM loads the first block of the disk. The first
446 bytes of that block contain the MBR. The next 66 bytes are the
partition table. If the MBR starts with the right byte pattern, the ROM
jumps into its code. The MBR looks for first partition in the table
with the "Boot" flag set. The first block (maybe more - I don't know)
of that partition is loaded, and the MBR jumps to that code. In your case
that should be what LILO wrote, but the flag is on the wrong partition so
you boot (or try to boot) the DOS partition instead.

 Bruce

<SNAP OFF>

For myself (I have a look-alike partitions table), I prefer
to boot with a floppy and rerun LILO on my MBR. You will
set it by replacing your boot line by boot=/dev/sda who
will write on your sda MBR, in place of /dev/sda2 who
would write on your partition. After that, just run lilo
when you're root. the Boot flag are only use in OS/2 or
MS-OSs at my knowledge. It's better to only have one set
because MS-DOS doesn't support multiple boot parts.

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   it's that commercial software aren't the best of them.
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ninf01@gel.usherb.ca             +-----------------------------
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   I  just picked  up  the  LAN adapter  mentioned  in  the subject;  it
   replaces a  Cogent BusMaster  960 that  sporadically locked  up under
   heavy load [ick!].

   It works perfectly under my primary  OS-- NEXTSTEP-- but I can't find
   a driver  that works for Linux.   The driver that drives  the Pro/100
   does NOT work with this card.

As  far as  I have  been able  to ascertain,  the EEPRO  driver in  the 2.0
kernels  is only  for the  ISA  adapters, not  PCI.   I find  it more  than
slightly annoying, as until I find a driver,  I have to use Win95 9 hours a
day instead of Debian.  )c:

                                                     Stormy Henderson,
                                                     Sparco Communications


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The recent discussion of the Motif and lesstif libraries reminded me
of my desire to compile the `mp' and `mptool' programs.  The source
code is available as
	 ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/utilities/mpdist-3.3.2.tar.Z
`mp' provides pretty PostScript printing of mail messages, digests,
etc.   I prefer it to genscript or other PostScript formatters when
printing copies of e-mail.

I myself don't use mptool which is a graphical user interface for mp.
(These programs were developed by a person at Sun, hence the `tool'
suffix.)  mptool requires Motif libraries.  Has anyone tried to
compile it with the lesstif library?  If so, have you been successful?

I was considering creating a Debian package of mp and the other
command-line programs in the package.  Since I don't have any Motif
libraries I would not be able to create even a static linked version
of mptool unless it could be compiled against the lesstif libraries.

-- 
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<SNAP ON>

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From:  Hamish Moffatt[SMTP:moffatt@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 21, 1996 4:56 PM
To:  debian-user
Subject:  Re: kernel size



> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step. The
> option in dselect to 'configure remaining unconfigured packages' could
> handle this, instead of the 'install selected packages' option. In this
> scenario, the 'install' option would became 'load packages' and all
> configuration would be relegated to the 'configure' option. If   
something
> goes wrong during configuration, you can just re-run dselect and hit   
the
> configure option. Good Idea.

One thing I find a bit annoying with dselect/dpkg is the way it checks
the version of EVERY package when you pick Install. Last night I did
an NFS installation (and the remote source was from CD-ROM), and this
step was very slow. Can anything be done about this, eg trusting
the packages list instead of looking for newer versions, or whatever?

Also, how does dselect cope if it doesn't have the root debian tree?
For the past few days I've been fiddling a lot and I've had the
Debian CD in my CD-ROM drive all the time, but I'm about to lend it
to someone. Will dselect still work with nothing but a local directory,
or should I just use dpkg by hand?



thanks,
Hamish

<SNAP OFF>

Please, if you do so, let the check version in the available
options. I find it really pratical seem I'm using msdos names
package.

One pratical thing would be to put the current version
number side to the package name in the recurse dependancies
list, so we can see it when we got some "(>= x.yy version)"
dependancies.






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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

> Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
> issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?
> 
> Thnax!
> 
> Chris -)-----
> 

(Anybody should jump in here if I make a mistake)

Motif is a widget set made by the Open Software Foundation.  They then 
license out the right to the source code to different sources (they also 
have a seperate license to use the name "Motif").  Those sources include 
companies like HP, sun and others who then include motif in the regular 
operating system.  

For linux, where most people get it for free (or very cheaply) it is 
possible to get Motif through programs like MooTeeth, which is compiled 
from the Motif sources, but they haven't licensed the name so they can't 
call it Motif.  

Another project which is going on is the lesstif project.(less and mo, 
get it :) ). They want to provide a free library that is source code 
compatible with Motif 1.2.  i.e. you compile the libraries drop them in 
/usr/X11R6/lib and all programs that require Motif 1.2 will look and act 
the same as if they were using the real libraries.  So far the project 
looks very promising.  

Hope this clears things up.

Shaya
---
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I just made the   switch the debian  distribution,
and I'm fairly  impressed with it so far. However,
with   the  installation   of  the  elm  2.4pl25-2
package, filter appears to be broken. It panics
when it tries to lock, reporting:

filter (Wed Aug 21 09:30:32 1996 eamon): Mailing message to eamon
filter (Wed Aug 21 09:31:02 1996 eamon): Couldn't create lock file
filter (Wed Aug 21 09:31:02 1996 eamon): Can't open mailbox /var/spool/mail/eamon!
filter (Wed Aug 21 09:31:02 1996 eamon): Using /home/eamon/EMERGENCY_MBOX as emergency mailbox

Permissions  on the inboxes in /var/spool/mail are
660, owned by  owner and grouped by 'mail'. Normal
mail (smail) delivery seems  to be  going smoothly
with no locking errors. Any ideas?

   - Eamon Daly
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If you like, I'll email you a script to run through a file containing
filenames and permissions as set on my system and set the permissions
similarly on yours. This would cure most of your files. My installation
is quite new and I've made no radical permission changes, so it's safe
enough, I think.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	Lazaro.Salem@rf.no[SMTP:Lazaro.Salem@rf.no]
>Sent: 	20 August 1996 13:04
>To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org; Bruce Perens
>Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject: 	Need help to set right ownerships
>
>Hi, 
>Anybody can help me, please?  I really need to be sure how to fix this.
>Logged as root I did: 
>
># cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds.users * ; ls -laR | more
>
>and noticing that I forgot to change the ownership of the (hidden) dot
>files
>I typed: 
>
># chown -R lds:users ~/.*
>
>Uchhhh!  the `*' expands to `.' among others. By the time I noticed my
>two 
>mistakes and pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the ownership of
>/root, 
>/home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr.
>
>I saved on a floppy a list (find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds  
>   
>users") with $dir set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownerships of /root
>and 
>/home by hand and the I typed  
>
># shutdown -r now
>
>That was not very clever :-( but I was thinking of fixing everything
>when having
>more time, from an emergency base system I have on a separate 16MB
>partition.
>I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are
>written at 
>boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown tooo! :-( 
>Maybe it help to mention that I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and
>/home (and 
>swap) on separate partitions.
>
>Right now I know which files have the wrong ownership but do not know
>what 
>should be the right one. I thought of setting the ownership to
>root:root to the 
>files in the list and then fix by hand those who shoud be owned by
>other system 
>group (news, mail,...etc).  I think that then I should proceed by
>fixing file by
>file, i.e., 
>0)Fixing those in /var/lib/dpkg (any pointer about how to do it?)
>1)removing all installed packages except those flaged as essential
>(base), 
>2)comparing file by file with a fresh Debian 1.1.x base system (I have
>one).
>3)Reinstalling again the packages.
>
>Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible
>will be 
>greatly appreciated. A script maybe to do it automatically?'
>I am not suscribed to the list right now so please answer this to 
>my private e-mail. Thank you very much,
>
>Lazaro <salem@rf.no> 
>
>
>


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I've seen many people mention that they manually dial their
ISP with minicom and manually suspend minicom, then manually 
start pppd or whatever at each end.

The following is one way to automate this, free for your 
enjoyment!

I've been using minicom's runscript for automating this
proceedure for 2 or 3 years. I got the original script 
from Scott Barker, who is also on this list. I've tweeked
it alot over this time. I'm sure Scott and modified his setup 
even more. Some of it may have come from Slackware.

I haven't even bothered trying to improve the various tasks
and tests that are done, since it continues to do the job 
for me.

Note the use of sudo. I see that /dev/ttsS1 has permissions of

     crw-rw-rw-   1 root       4,  65 Aug 20 21:31 ttyS1

but I probably did the chmod o+rw before I started using sudo.
My guess is that it will work with the standard permissions
(crw------ or crw-rw----; I forget now).

Lastly, an update to pppd earlier this year now sends the
output from ip-up and the runscript to the twilight zone.
I haven't looked into getting those messages back somehow.
The main annoyance is that I no longer see the connection
rate of the modems.

--------------------------------------
pppdial script
--------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh

# this sets the phone number to dial
if [ "$1" = "" ]
then
   export PHONE=5551212
else
   export PHONE=$1
fi

# set these to your modem device and baud rate
DEVICE=ttyS1
SPEED=38400

# check if the device is locked
if [ -r /var/lock/LCK..$DEVICE ]; then
	echo Device $DEVICE is locked
        exit 1
fi

sudo rm -f /etc/ppp/ppp_is_up

# the command used to establish the modem connection (use chat if you like)
CONNECT="runscript /usr/local/lib/runscripts/pppscript_office"

# set these to your PPP login name and password (if runscript used to connect)
export LOGIN=my_login
export PASS=my_password

umask 000
# run the ppp daemon
sudo /usr/sbin/pppd connect "$CONNECT" lock defaultroute mru 296 \
                  name calgary6 \
                  3.3.3.3: /dev/$DEVICE $SPEED crtscts modem

echo
echo To abort, press ^C then execute pppkill
echo
echo -n Dialing...

# wait for pppd to start
while [ ! -r /var/run/ppp0.pid ]; do
   if [ `ps -aux | grep -c /usr/sbin/pppd` =  0 ]; then
      echo Aborted!
      exit 1
   fi
   sleep 1
done
echo Connected!

echo -n Negotiating ppp...

while [ ! -f /etc/ppp/ppp_is_up ]; do
   if [ `ps -aux | grep -c /usr/sbin/pppd` =  0 ]; then
      echo Aborted!
      exit 1
   fi
   sleep 1
done
echo OK!

echo =========================================
cat /etc/resolv.conf
echo =========================================

------------------------------------------
runscript file: /usr/local/lib/runscripts/pppscript_office
------------------------------------------
timeout 600

send "+++"
sleep 1
send "ATH"
sleep 1

send "ATZ"
expect {
       "OK"
       timeout 4 exit 1
}

RETRY1:
send "\r"
sleep 1
send "ATDT$(PHONE)"
expect {
       "CONNECT"     goto CONNECT
       "BUSY"        goto RETRY1
       "NO CARRIER"  goto RETRY1
       "NO DIALTONE" goto RETRY1
       timeout 60    goto RETRY1
}

CONNECT:

expect {
       "\r"          break
       timeout 1     break
}

send "\r"
sleep 1

expect {
       "word: "
       timeout 10 exit 1
}

sleep 1
send "$(PASS)\r\c"

expect {
       "annex1:"
       timeout 10 exit 1
}

sleep 1
send "ppp\r\c"

print "\r\n\r\nConnected OK. Negotiating ppp link...\r\n"

exit 0

--------------------------------------------
/etc/ppp/ip-up
--------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# $Id: ip-up,v 1.1 1996/01/31 21:25:59 alvar Exp $
#
# This script is run by the pppd after the link is established.
# It should be used to add routes, set IP address, run the mailq 
# etc.
#
# This script is called with the following arguments:
#    Arg  Name               Example
#    $1   Interface name     ppp0
#    $2   The tty            ttyS1
#    $3   The link speed     38400
#    $4   Local IP number    12.34.56.78
#    $5   Peer  IP number    12.34.56.99

#
# The  environment is cleared before executing this script
# so the path must be reset
#
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
export PATH

echo Connected OK to $5
if [ "$5" = "1.1.1.1" ]
then
   cp /etc/hosts_cuug /etc/hosts
   echo Setting nameserver for CUUG:
   cp /etc/resolv.conf.cuug /etc/resolv.conf 
elif [ "$5" = "2.2.2.2" ]
then
   cp /etc/hosts_vsl /etc/hosts
   echo Setting nameserver for VSL:
   cp /etc/resolv.conf.vsl /etc/resolv.conf 
else
   echo ***SKIPPING*** reset of nameserver, using:
fi

echo =========================================
cat /etc/resolv.conf
echo =========================================

# keep the link alive
ping -i 120 $5 > /dev/null 2>&1 &

echo $1 link initialized and ready for use

touch /etc/ppp/ppp_is_up

# last line


--------------------------------------------
/etc/ppp/ip-down
--------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# $Id: ip-down,v 1.1 1996/01/31 21:25:59 alvar Exp $
#
# This script is run by the pppd _after_ the link is brought down.
# It should be used to delete routes, unset IP addresses etc.
#
# This script is called with the following arguments:
#    Arg  Name               Example
#    $1   Interface name     ppp0
#    $2   The tty            ttyS1
#    $3   The link speed     38400
#    $4   Local IP number    12.34.56.78
#    $5   Peer  IP number    12.34.56.99

#
# The  environment is cleared before executing this script
# so the path must be reset
#
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
export PATH

killall -v ping

# last line

--------------------------------------------
/etc/sudoers
--------------------------------------------
# sudoers file.
#
# This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
#
# See the man page for the details on how to write a sudoers file.
#

# Host alias specification

# User alias specification

# Cmnd alias specification

# User privilege specification
root	ALL=ALL
rickm	ALL=ALL
ALL     ALL=/usr/sbin/pppd

...RickM...


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renald loignon (rhl@CAM.ORG) wrote:
: Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
: following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
: overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
: and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
: me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.
What are the inaccuracies you are referring to? Seems to be ok as far as I can tell except I dont
know enough about PIC programming to tell if he is right on that.



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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Vebjoern Forsmo wrote:

> 
> /tmp
> Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.  I have a 30MB /
> partition, and only about 10MB space free on /tmp.   This didn't work very
> well while trying to restore a 50MB file from taper.  (I've now mounted
> 100MB on /tmp to avoid the problem.)
> 

I've got several machines that install with an absurdly small root or
/tmp partition.  What I usually to is blow away /tmp, and replace it
with a link to /usr/tmp or /var/tmp depending on the machine.


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> > > Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.
> > /tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .

I believe the way to do it is to have /tmp be a real directory in the
root filesystem, and then mount a larger filesystem over it later.
Programs that get run before /tmp is mounted over have the limited
space, and all others (i.e., just about everyone) see the large /tmp.

Root's /tmp can't be seen once it's mounted over, but processes that
have an open file there can still access it.  When the overlaying
device is unmounted, root's /tmp becomes visible again.

The biggest danger is that it's difficult to see what's building up in
root's /tmp if it's always covered up by the time you log in.

--
Pete Harlan
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> John Houwen wrote:
> > 
> > Miro,
> > 
> > I appreciate your comments, but that is part of the problem ... smail
> > *won't* install unless sendmail is removed!  At the same time, dpkg
> > refuses to remove sendmail unless smail is installed ... like Catch-22 :)
> > 
> > Sorry about the mis-understanding ...
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:
> > 
> > > John Houwen wrote:
> > > >
> > < ascii deleted>
> > > > Can anyone help with this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds strange. Anyway, the simplest way would probably be to
> > > install smail, and then remove sendmail :-)
> > >
> > >
> 
> Allright, I get it now. What you gotta do to remove sendmail is
> edit the "status" file in /var/lib/dpkg. This is the file that
> dpkg relies upon to perform its main functions. What you have to do
> is search the file for the sendmail section, and remove smail from
> the "depends upon" line (or possibly some other line).
> 
> Good luck...:-)

Don't do this. First, it is dangerous to edit the dpkg database. Second,
it is not necessary. Check out 'dpkg --force-help' for the full list of
force options. What you need to do is either:

dpkg -r --force-depends sendmail
dpkg -i /path-to-package/smail*.deb

or

dpkg -i --force-conflicts /path-to-package/smail*.deb
dpkg -r sendmail

Either of the above examples should allow you to replace
dependant/conflicting packages with some other package.

Luck,

Dwarf

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             <Pine.LNX.3.94.960818172043.1531A-100000@klee> 
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Hi Christian --
Your pe package sounds very interesting.  

You asked:
>It would be nice if someone can give me some hints about how it can be
>included in the main distrib. Yes, I read all the FAQs/HOWTOs but they
>seem pretty old and I didn't find any information.

If you get any version of dpkg newer than 1.3.3, you'll find a lot of
helpful info.  Meantime, below is the same info in recipe format,
gleaned mostly from the dpkg documentation, etc.

Regards,
Susan Kleinmann

================================================================
How to Become a Debian Package Developer

In the text below, DM means "Distribution Maintainer"

They are currently:
Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>


0.  Subscribe to debian-devel.
    To do this execute   
        mail debian-devel-REQUEST@lists.debian.org -s Subscribe
    That is, send mail to the above address with the subject set to 'Subscribe'.

1.  Set up your pgp key.

    Install the PGP package.
    Read /usr/doc/PGP.
    Generate a public-secret key pair by typing
	pgp -kg
    and answering the questions.  Be prepared to write some arbitrary text 
    when asked.  PGP generates its true random numbers by measuring the 
    intervals between your keystrokes.

2.  Shake hands with the project administration, as it were:
    Send emails to:
        The Project Leader.  Bruce Perens 
        The Administrator of master.debian.org:  Simon Shapiro.
        The Mailing List Administrator:  Anders Chigstrom.
        The dpkg maintainer:  Ian Jackson.

        i.e., To:
        bruce@pixar.com, shimon@i-connect.net, ac@netg.se, \
        ijackson@gnu.ai.mit.edu

    with this content:
    -- what you've done,
    -- who you are, 
    -- request for an account on master,
    -- request to be subscribed to debian-private (the developers-only 
       mailing list). 
    -- your PGP key, obtained by executing 'pgp -kxa'.


3.  Make the programs:  .deb, .diff, .tar.gz, .changes.
    Use these files for guidelines:  
    hello*deb (use most recent version, currently 1.3.9).
    The dpkg man pages, of which there are many as of dpkg-1.3.3.
    The documentation in /usr/doc/dpkg, including the programmers and policy
    manuals.

4.  Upload the files:
    A.  Use user-name and password to upload to:
    ftp://master.debian.org/home/Debian/ftp/private/project/Incoming

     OR
    B.  Use anon-ftp to upload to:
    ftp://chiark.chu.cam.uc.uk/

        For instructions to upload to chiark, read this file at chiark:
        /pub/debian/private/project/README.how-to-upload

    chiark then sends the files it gets to master.

==================================================================


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Recently, another company approached us requesting to take our domain name
from us.  They claim they have it trademarked which we haven't really
investigated yet.  Anyway, if we do have to change our domain name, we
might want to change it to 'opti-med.com'.  Does anyone know if it is
legal to have a dash (-) in a domain name?  If it is legal, could any
problems arise from it's use (like confusing mail readers)? 

Gerry
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PS: Sorry, I know this isn't a Debian-specific question, but I thought I'd
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Hi folks here's what I want to do:

I have a dos partition that I made of about 20megs that I put
DOS/WINDOWS install programs on.
so now I have 4 partitions one for WIN95, Linux, Linux-swap,and a Dos
partition.

I have read the help and information docs on dselect but could not find
or understand what I should do to make this work.

I set LILO so I can boot into Linux then get into as root. I mount hda3
to /mnt and fd0 to /floppy. I want to add gcc and some info packages to
my Linux system. I believe you have to have packages.gz in the same
directory as your *.deb stuff so I did that. Now I run dselect and I
pick that I have a mounted hardrive I want to work from. After this
point I get lost. I get a bunch of queation asking where package.gz is
and some other stuff I type in /mnt/linux for all of them because thats
where all *.deb and packages.gz are. It then ask me to configure the
packages. Is there auto config where I sit back and let it install
everything it can find. and what does the dpkg program do? Is it a
manual way of installing *.deb's. 

Help?


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> I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
> months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
> at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
> submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.
>
> I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
> I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
>
> System halted
> general protection: 0000
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
> EFLAGS: 00010046
> eax: 00005307  ebx: 00000001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 00000000
> esi: bfffff0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
> ds: 0000  es: 0000  fs: 0000  gs: 0000  ss: 0018
> Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
> Stack:  00000246 0000002b 0011002b 00000018 00710018 00714810 bfffff0c 08000e4a
>         bffffdc0 0011231e 00000003 ffffffff 00000009 001cc40a 0010a482 fee1dead
>         28121969 cdef0123 bfffff0c 08000e4a bffffdc0 ffffffda 0803002b 0010002b
> Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
> Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84

I'm running 2.02 and got this problem during bootup today when I tried
to install another 16MB of Ram in my system.  Dos/Windows runs fine
with it, but Linux dies immediately.

In other words, it could very well be a hardware problem/idosyncracy(sp?).

(Guess I'm stuck with only 32MB ram.  Oh well.  <sigh>

                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

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diald will allow one to dial manually and start ppp w/out requiring minicom.
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Hi Hamish --

You asked:
> Will dselect still work with nothing but a local directory,

Sure.  Just specify the local directory with option 1, Access method.

> or should I just use dpkg by hand?

That would work too.


Regards,
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>Eric> Query: Is there any way I can manually dial in, login, and initiat PPP,
>Eric> then ask 'pppd' to start?
> There is a way using minicom,
[...]
> but the cycle:
> 
>      becoming root
>      issuing pppd
>      reading /var/log/messages
>      killing pppd
>      reissuing pppd with another number/chatscript in case it was busy
>      etc...
> 
> is getting on my nerves

It would me too.
> So what I would like is some graphical front-end to pppd, displaying the
> status, and with buttons to start/stop a connection. This could be started
> by root at boot time, solving the suid problems.

This has been done.

> Including a prompt for the password in such a setup would be relatively
> trivial. 

Certainly.
> Does anyone know of something of this kind?
Surething.
> I vaguely saw a related tool for diald
Bingo.  Exactly what I had in mind.

Currently, if you setup diald, you can allow certain users access to the 
fifo that diald runs with. Then they, in turn, could use 'dctrl' which is
a tcl/tk script that shows the current status of the link, allowing you to
bring it up and down.

However, with a chat script, you would have to either
a) ask for the password in advance, write the chat script, and have chat
   do it's thing
b) run chat so that it exits when it gets the 'Password:' prompt, then ask
   the user to enter a password somehow (through a simple X dialog box or
   something) and then echo $PASSWORD ...since the 'chat script' gets stdout
   as the modem, then start a 2nd chat script to continue the connection
c) write another program that will take the place of chat that will allow
   interactive password input 'somehow'  perl, tcl/tk, python come to mind.

Hope this helps.
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I've a friend who is installing debian and he asked me to ask these questions..

why does the perl package depend on csh?

why does 'libc-dev' have a conflicting dependency with 'libc5' ??  It won't
let him install libc5-dev for some odd reasion.

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Hi Eddie --

You asked:
> is there a record of pcmcia packages that use 2.0.6 kernel.  the new one 
> expects the 2.0.7 kernel and I need the older one.  
> 
I'm not sure, but the general answer is:

> should I just upgrade my kernel?  
Yes.

>is this hard to to?
No.

Go to any Linux FTP archive.  Fetch the kernel-source corresponding to
the version you want.  (I think they're normally included under 
/sources/v2.0/ somewhere.)  When you download it, you'll want to put 
it into /usr/src.  It will untar into a directory called linux.  You'll
probably want to rename that to some number specific to the version
you downloaded.

Then get and install the kernel-package*deb file from rex/binary-all/misc
from any Debian mirror.  Then use make-kpkg to build a new 
kernel-image*deb file.  

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hi!

I just installed the whole tex stuff. I now am trying to configure it
to make the fonts for my Epson Stylus 800 printer.

I've changed the dvips-file config.ps:

D 360
M epstylus

and added to Metafont's modes.mf

mode_def epstylus =                     % Epson Stylus (360dpi)
  mode_param (pixels_per_inch, 360);
  mode_param (blacker, .35);
  mode_param (fillin, 0);
  mode_param (o_correction, .8);
  mode_common_setup_;
enddef;

I have these definitions from my former teTeX installation, which
worked fine. However, it does not work. Whenever I want to dvips a
.dvi-file, the following is output:

=====================================================================
This is dvipsk 5.58f Copyright 1986, 1994 Radical Eye Software
' TeX output 1996.08.21:2318' -> ede.ps
kpathsea: Running MakeTeXPK cmr12 360 360 1+0/360 epstylus
Running MakeTeXPK cmr12 360 360 1+0/360 epstylus
Running mf \mode:=epstylus; mag:=1+0/360; scrollmode; input cmr12
This is METAFONT, Version 2.71 (C version 6.1)

(/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/cm/cmr12.mf
(/usr/lib/texmf/metafont/base/cmbase.mf)
(/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/cm/roman.mf
(/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/cm/romanu.mf
The letter A [65]
The letter B [66]
The letter C [67]
The letter D [68]
The letter E [69]
[..cut..]
Opening quotes [92]
En dash [123]
Em dash [124]) ) )
Output written on cmr12.2602gf (128 characters, 254596 bytes).
Transcript written on cmr12.log.
MakeTeXPK failed to make cmr12.360gf.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
dvips: Font cmr12 not found, characters will be left blank.
<texc.pro>. [1] 
===============================================================

Strange, mktexpk tells me every single letter it makes, and saves the
font in a wrong file!?

When I use the nechi-printer (also an 360dpi printer) definitions,
everything works fine, except that the fonts are not printed very
nicely (too thin...)

Any ideas? Is it a known bug? Am I doing wrong something? What can I
do? Thanks for reading.

Ciao,
	- Krid -

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From: Casper BodenCummins <bodec@Sherwood.co.uk>
> Perhaps I misunderstand the dselect installation process, but I thought
> that dselect unpacks the all selected packages before running the
> installation and configuration scripts. If one configuration goes badly
> wrong, doesn't this leave a bundle of unpacked and unconfigured packages
> lying about?

The scenario you are describing is:
1. All dependencies are satisfied by the set of packages you're installing.
2. Dselect unpacks them, and starts to configure them.
3. One of the configuration scripts returns error status.

If it's an upgrade that breaks, it's supposed to back out the upgrade
cleanly. I don't know how well that works, but it's what I I think I read
in the (new, excellent!) programmers documentation in the dpkg 1.3.6
package (in the "rex" distribution).

A number of packages that depend on the broken package may be left in the
unconfigured state. If an upgrade was backed out successfully and they
don't require the _new_ version, they should configure.

Now, no doubt this does not all work as well as it should. If you'd like
to help out (and stick out your neck a bit), you might try installing
dpkg-1.3.6 and running it through its paces. Bug reports would be greatly
appreciated as we want to release this software in Debian 1.2 . Do read the
existing bug reports on it first, and consider if you want to subject your
system to untested software of this critical a nature.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Hi i just grabbed the "unstable" apache package.  I tried to install it 
and it wouldnt because it need libc5 and libdbgm1 (?).  I grabbed these 
packages installed libc5 and then tried installing libdbgm1, guess what, 
libdbgm1 wont intsall because it wants version libc5-16 while i have 
libc5-18.

Where can i get libc5-16 oir a newer version of libdbgm1?

sheesh, sounds like im speaking in another language:)

thanks



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    I am trying to install the 7-14-96 debian release on a machine
with over 500 megabytes on an IDE hard disk.  I want to have a DOS
partition and a linux partition.  At present fdisk shows:

>    Device Boot   Begin    Start      End   Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1            1        1      356   179392+   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
> /dev/hda2   *      357      357      966   307440   83  Linux native
> /dev/hda3          967      967      999    16632   82  Linux swap

fdisk also displays a warning:

> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1025.
> This is larger than 1024, and may cause problems with:
> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)

The lilo documentation says:

>Note that large partitions that only partially extend into the "forbidden 
>zone" are still in jeopardy even if they appear to work at first, because 
>the file system does not know about the restrictions and may allocate disk 
>space from the area beyond the 1024th cylinder when installing new kernels. 

Lilo suggests either using LOADLIN or booting from the DOS partition:

> In order to accomplish this, the DOS partition is mounted read-write, a 
> directory (e.g. /dos/linux) is created, all files from /boot are moved to 
> that directory, /boot is replaced by a symbolic link to it, the kernels are 
> also moved to the new directory, their new location is recorded in 
> /etc/lilo.conf, and finally /sbin/lilo is run.

   I tried creating a subdirectory c:\linux in DOS, then from linux:

     mkdir ./dos
     mount /dev/hda1/linux ./dos
     cp /boot ./dos

At this point, I got some warning or error messages.  It looks as though
file names got truncated, and in some cases discarded completely.

>From ls /boot:

>    System.map-2.0.6     chain.b      
>    any_b.b              map          
>    any_d.b		  mbr.b        
>    boot.0302	          os2_d.b      
>    boot.b		  vmlinuz-2.0.6

>From ls ./dos:

>    any_b.b    map       
>    any_d.b	mbr.b     
>    boot.030   os2_d.b   
>    boot.b	system.map
>    chain.b

    I would appreciate some hand-holding at this stage.  Exactly
what commands do I type to carry out the lilo instructions (specifically,
the symbolic link and copying the kernel)?  Or would I be better off
trying loadlin?

    Sorry this has been such a long post.  Thanks for your patience!


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Anyone here on the Debian-L know the secrets of using the ipfwadm
utility to set up masquerading?  I've built a kernel with the proper
options but I'm concerned about whether I'm really masquerading, or
just forwarding packets.  How do I prove it?  There was a recent LJ
article on using masquerading, but it was primarily based on the 
software prior to the recent advances.  In particular, the method
used to establish the masquerading ruleset, and verifying just what
has been set is my concern.  There is no longer a ipfw, but now the
management utility is ipfwadm.  The concern comes from the setting of
the masquerade rule.

The ipfwadm has an option (-M) for masquerading, but, this is NOT used
for setting the rule, and the only valid option is -l, for listing of
the masquerading rules.  The only way I can get a rule set is to use the
following command (does this really result in masquerading or not is the
question):

#ipfwadm -F -i masquerade -P all -S 192.168.210.0/0 -D 0.0.0.0/0

The reason for the question is this; the ipfwadm -M -l shows no masquerade
rule set.  And, I got on the net using this last nite, and sure enough was
able to get out to the net from my laptop, and using Lynx, got out to the
Web.  I discovered that several links on various pages were not accessible
from the LT, but they were if I ran a browser directly on wb2oyc (my
Deb1.1 box).  This got me wondering if perhaps my reserved net address was
getting thru my ISP to the net, and thats why I wasn't able to get to some
of the links.

So, I ran tcpdump on wb2oyc while doing this.  Sure enough, there I see
packets sent from the Web host directly to the address of the laptop (!)
which is assigned the address in the 192.168 reserved space and shouldn't
ever get thru my ISP's router!  In other words, I was not masquerading for
its address; I don't think.  Bummer!  Worse, my ISP is not stopping those
packets.

Paul

  


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Well, it would seem that the problem is that the libtiff package is
not in the released version, only the unstable.  So installing the
stable version sort of failed to find the libtiff package :)

Thanks for the response tho :)

-Larry

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"Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net> writes:
> Suggestion:  if you have a SCSI tape drive, you might wish to check that 
> you can read from it, and/or you might wish to upgrade your kernel.

  Here's a data point: I didn't have any problems reading my Exabyte
  SCSI drive with 2.0.0 last night when I upgraded my home box to 1.1.5.

  One thing to think about is the blocksize.  If you've run "mt -f
  /dev/st0 setblk 0" (which is good for reading tapes written by SunOS
  and AIX I have found) you won't be able read tapes written with the
  default block size (whatever that is) and vice-versa.

  I haven't done any performance tests to compare the effects of
  different block sizes but would be interested to hear from others
  who have (I use tar for backups).

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>

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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:59:43 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:

>Vi and clones aren't completely safe, either. In some circumstances, at
>least, they load a .exrc (and/or .vimrc or whatever) from the current

Well, I don't use vi under Linux; only under DOS and OS/2.  The Linux
version (Debian installation, anyways) doesn't work as I expect it to. 
The 'vi' that I use under DOS and OS/2 is Watcom's hacked version of
vi.  As such, it uses totally different configuration files.  At the
moment, I only use vi to view files...for the editting, I use joe. 
However, if I could change vi's behaviour to act more like the Watcom
vi (a la the vi configuration in Slackware), I would use it instead of
joe, as I'm more familiar with vi, and vi doesn't require all these
obtuse WordStar keystrokes to write files, or get out of the editor. :(

>The point is that you should know your tools (rtfm, very thoroughly), and
>make sure they don't have these gotchas enabled.

I usually don't have any automatic processing enabled, with one
exception:  my BBS software.  When mail comes in, it automatically
processes it as a detached process.  However, it doesn't do anything
different from one instance to the other, dependent on what's in the
messages.

Another instance of the autoaction messes, is the old tintin++.  If you
had a certain autoaction enabled on it, someone could tell your
character to log off of the MUD, and you would. :)  (Found that one out
the hard way, using tintin/2 0.99.)  The porter is nowhere to be found,
however.

>I pointed out comp.risks before, I think, but it's good enough that it
>can be repeated: read comp.risks. If you enjoy horror movies, you should
>really like comp.risks. Or if your mine is as twisted as mine, you could
>view it as a funnier replacement of rec.humor.funny.

I would probably view it more as funny, than horror.  Although, you
sort of have to feel sorry for these poor buggers. :)  One such string
of events I can think of, is when Seagate starting shipping all their
new EIDE drives with the EZ-Drive software.  My boss was one of those
people that were too cheap to upgrade their systems to take advantage
of the LBA translation tables.  As a result, he decided to install the
EZ-Drive software that came on his drive.  Voila!  Instant Microsoft
software.  It destroyed his hard drive.  Took that drive back, got
another Seagate Decathlon.  Destroyed that one with the same software. 
Got it replaced again, and swapped it to me for my Maxtor.  He hasn't
had a problem since, and I'm much happier with an 850mb mode 4 over a
540mb mode 3. :)  The only method of getting that software off of the
drive, is by doing ezdrive /wipeboottrack.  However, Seagate neglected
to mention that this undocumented parameter also destroys the hard
drive. :)


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There is some new documentation that I think is essential for all
prospective Debian developers to read. It's in the dpkg_1.3.6 package,
which you can find in the project/experimental directory on our FTP
archives. Since this is unreleased developmental software, you might
not want to install it (or you might want to make sure your backups are
up to date, and keep them that way). However, it's worth unpacking the
package without installing it just to get the documentation. It's in
HTML form, under /usr/doc/dpkg in the package. Included are a new "Dpkg
Developer's Manual" and "Debian Policy Manual", both by Ian Jackson.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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>Following the thread about how to enhance dselect/dpkg to ease 
>re-installation, I would like to suggest my idea:
>
>A menu item in dselect to store the present configuration on the
>base diskettes.

Or on a separate diskette reserved for that purpose...


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Hi, im trying to install the apache package from unstable.  The package
needs libc5 and libdbgm1 (i cant remember exatly what it was called:) i
found both lib packages after installing libc i tried installing libdb1,
guess what, this package wants libc5-16 i have libc5-18 (grr)  where can i
get libc5-16 or a version of libdbgm1 that will work with version 18 of libc5?


thanks 

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Hi, im trying to install the apache package from unstable.  The package
needs libc5 and libdbgm1 (i cant remember exatly what it was called:) i
found both lib packages after installing libc i tried installing libdb1,
guess what, this package wants libc5-16 i have libc5-18 (grr)  where can i
get libc5-16 or a version of libdbgm1 that will work with version 18 of libc5?


thanks 

Im out like bell bottom trousers,

- mIcHaEl


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In your email to me, Gerry Jensen, you wrote:
> 
> Recently, another company approached us requesting to take our domain name
> from us.  They claim they have it trademarked which we haven't really

Research it. IF you had the domain before they had the trademark, they
are SOL. Check with the internic.

> investigated yet.  Anyway, if we do have to change our domain name, we
> might want to change it to 'opti-med.com'.  Does anyone know if it is
> legal to have a dash (-) in a domain name?  If it is legal, could any
> problems arise from it's use (like confusing mail readers)? 

the '-' is legal, the '_' is no longer legal.

Tim

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> > > Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.

Bruce:
> /tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .

From: Pete Harlan <harlan@mymenus.com>
> I believe the way to do it is to have /tmp be a real directory in the
> root filesystem, and then mount a larger filesystem over it later.

That is neater in that it assures that there is always a valid /tmp
directory. However, Debian is designed so that the symbolic link will
work correctly as long as your /var/tmp doesn't come from NFS. See the
order of actions in /etc/init.d/boot .

Older Linux installation documents suggested you make about 7 disk partitions:
/ /usr /tmp /home, and so on. This facilitated mounting a filesystem on
/tmp. In my 1.1 installation notes, I just have the users make one filesystem
for simplicity's sake, and the resulting system does not seem to be any less
robust, going by the number of complaints. Of course the user can get fancy
once they know what they are doing.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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>>>>> Pete Harlan writes:

> I believe the way to do it is to have /tmp be a real directory in
> the root filesystem, and then mount a larger filesystem over it
> later.  Programs that get run before /tmp is mounted over have the
> limited space, and all others (i.e., just about everyone) see the
> large /tmp.

Nope, the way to go is to finally implement a true memory-fs and make
/tmp a mfs.  Every other U**x (except HP-UX) does it that way (or has
the option to do it that way).

Dominik


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> I have read the help and information docs on dselect but could not find
> or understand what I should do to make this work.

Hi,

dpkg, is a manual version of dselect.  dselect is simply a
user friendly interface to dpkg. I think the best way to find out more 
about dpkg is to do

	dpkg -help | less

For dselect, try the directory /usr/doc/debian/ which contains
	FAQ                                  
	dselect-install-instructions.txt.gz

I have found dselect easy to use when the directory structure
of the debian ftp site is preserved.  It warns that this is the
preferred way.

If you're only wanting a few packages, simply try

	dpkg -i path_to_package.deb

That should work. (I installed about 10 packages today in this
way, and life couldn't have been simpler)  

Then run dselect to see if there are any
dependency problems or pending configuration jobs.

Regards,
jay


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On Thu, 22 Aug 96 00:28 BST, Ian Jackson wrote:

>If you delete the `Packages' files, or fail to download them, dselect
>will offer to scan the .deb files that are actually on your disk.

But, this method does not use the descriptions, or dependency lists,
either.  I kind of like that information, as it allows me to see if I'm
trying to install something I don't have the extra files for.


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>renald loignon (rhl@CAM.ORG) wrote:
>: Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
>: following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
>: overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
>: and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
>: me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.

>What are the inaccuracies you are referring to? Seems to be ok 
>as far as I can tell except I dont know enough about PIC 
>programming to tell if he is right on that.

Well, one example from his Web page:

"irqtune defaults for a standard IRQ configuration. It assumes that 
 the highest priority device should be on IRQ 3. This is normally the 
 first serial port on standard configurations, which is what you want. "

Unless something has changed since I wrote my first interrupt-driven serial
driver on an XT, under PC-DOS 2.0, COM1 uses IRQ4, whereas COM2 uses IRQ3.

 On the other hand, if you have a serial mouse on COM1, it is likely that
the modem will be on COM2, and therefore his default action of giving
maximum priority to IRQ3 actually makes sense, despite the incorrect
statement about the _FIRST_ serial port being on IRQ3.

I thought there was something else wrong in his explanation of interrupt
numbers and priority numbers, but after a second reading, it seems I was
mistaken.



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In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.960821105643.23713A-100000@gorina7.hsr.no>,
Vebjoern Forsmo  <vebjorn@hsr.no> wrote:
>> > Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.
>> /tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .
>
>I too thought about doing it this way, but I'm a bit unsure about what
>happens if the partition /var/tmp resides on can't be mounted? (Are there
>any important programs that depend upon /tmp?)

A nice solution is to boot into single user mode, umount /var, and
do the following:

mkdir /var/tmp
chmod 1777 /var/tmp
rmdir /tmp
ln -s /var/tmp /tmp

Now there is a /var/tmp directory. When you mount the real /var "over" it
you won't see it anymore but it will be there if /var can't be mounted.

The only thing you have to watch for is that you don't put any junk
in it when you are working with /var unmounted; you can't get to it
anymore to cleanup as soon as you have mounted the real /var over it.
(It _is_ an ideal place to hide stuff, though :))

Mike.
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Todd Tyrone Fries wrote:

> why does the perl package depend on csh?

Perl uses 'csh' for filename globbing (that is, for <*.*> sort of
constructs.)  Yes, that's strange behavior, and the dependency probably
will eventually be removed, but not anytime soon.

    Andy Dougherty		doughera@lafcol.lafayette.edu
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE wrote:

> For myself (I have a look-alike partitions table), I prefer
> to boot with a floppy and rerun LILO on my MBR. You will
> set it by replacing your boot line by boot=/dev/sda who
> will write on your sda MBR, in place of /dev/sda2 who
> would write on your partition. After that, just run lilo
> when you're root. the Boot flag are only use in OS/2 or
> MS-OSs at my knowledge. It's better to only have one set
> because MS-DOS doesn't support multiple boot parts.

I replaced line "boot=/dev/sda2" with "boot=/dev/sda"
and now I've an endless loop that goes:

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

with the seven dots.  Pressing shift gives me the 

LILO boot:

What should I try next to get the hard drive to boot
the kernel on the second partition?  I may have ruined
it by writing a boot record onto the second partition.
I really don't know what I've done.  I made sure to 
check the second partition - it is set active/bootable.
I'd made a typo earlier and ommited the star (*).

Missing Linux,

Charles


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Recently, I posted that I got these errors with my hard drive:

hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=2342358,
sector=2342294
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01, sector 2342294

It also crashed on occasion.  Running "e2fsck -cvf /dev/hda1" didn't fix
the problem.  At Bruce's suggestion, I tried running the badblocks
program.  It found 48 bad blocks.  I then ran "e2fsck -l BadBlocksFile
/dev/hda1"  where BadBlocksFile was the output from running badblocks. 
Everything appeared to worked great for a while after that.  I did a
complete backup of the hard drive without getting any of these messages
(previously, I got many of these errors during backups and sometimes a
crash).  Running the badblocks program after that did not turn up any bad
blocks. 

I then left town for a few days.  When I came back, we were once again
getting these messages.  I tried doing the same fix as before.  Running
badblocks revealed the same 48 bad blocks as before.  However, now after
running "e2fsck -l BadBlocksFile /dev/hda1" the problem still persists. It
appears that the bad blocks aren't being put in the list of bad blocks for
the filesystem.  But, running "dumpe2fs /dev/hda1" shows that those blocks
are indeed marked as bad blocks! 

Any thoughts on what could be happening and what I could try next? 

Thanks,

Gerry
gerry@optimed.com


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Hello Debian-world,

a small question: after a successful install of Debian by FTP, the cron
process generates a lot of output along the lines of "runq: command not
found". I could not find it either. Is this a bug or a feature ? :-)

-- 
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Please excuse the german prologe. Here's a warning concerning the actual
bash shell.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Nachfolgend an Sie weitergereichte Informationen bezueglich eines Problems
mit der "bash"-Shell erreichte uns von IBM ERS (ein Team, das kommerziell
Emergency Response Services anbietet, im Rahmen der weltweiten Kooperation
aber auch Warnungen wie diese an andere CERTs weitergibt).

Die offizielle Loesung des Problems wird mit Version 2.0 von bash verfuegbar
sein, bis dahin kann der Quellcode entsprechend den Hinweisen selbst
gepatcht werden. Bitte beachten Sie, das diese Warnungen sehr weitgehende
Beschreibungen enthaelt, *wie* die Luecke auszunutzen ist, so dass von einer
allgemeinen Verbreitung dieses Wissens auszugehen ist.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
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--ERS-ALERT--ERS-ALERT--ERS-ALERT--ERS-ALERT--ERS-ALERT--ERS-ALERT--ERS-ALERT--
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                           EMERGENCY RESPONSE SERVICE
                          SECURITY VULNERABILITY ALERT

21 August 1996 13:00 GMT                         Number: ERS-SVA-E01-1996:004.1
===============================================================================
                             VULNERABILITY  SUMMARY

VULNERABILITY:  A variable declaration error in "bash" allows the character
                with value 255 decimal to be used as a command separator.

PLATFORMS:      Bash 1.14.6 and earlier versions.

SOLUTION:       Apply the patch provided below.

THREAT:         When used in environments where users provide strings to be
                used as commands or arguments to commands, "bash" can be
                tricked into executing arbitrary commands.

===============================================================================
                              DETAILED INFORMATION

I. Description

   A. Introduction

      The GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell ("bash") is a drop-in replacement
      for the UNIX Bourne shell (/bin/sh).  It offers the same syntax as the
      standard shell, but also includes additional functionality such as job
      control, command line editing, and history.

      Although "bash" can be compiled and installed on almost any UNIX
      platform, its most prevalent use is on "free" versions of UNIX such as
      Linux, where it has been installed as "/bin/sh" (the default shell for
      most uses).

      The "bash" source code is freely available from many sites on the
      Internet.

   B. Vulnerability Details

      There is a variable declaration error in the "yy_string_get()" function
      in the "parser.y" module of the "bash" source code.  This function is
      responsible for parsing the user-provided command line into separate
      tokens (commands, special characters, arguments, etc.).  The error
      involves the variable "string," which has been declared to be of type
      "char *."

      The "string" variable is used to traverse the character string
      containing the command line to be parsed.  As characters are retrieved
      from this pointer, they are stored in a variable of type "int."  On
      systems/compilers where the "char" type defaults to "signed char", this
      vaule will be sign-extended when it is assigned to the "int" variable.
      For character code 255 decimal (-1 in two's complement form), this sign
      extension results in the value (-1) being assigned to the integer.

      However, (-1) is used in other parts of the parser to indicate the end
      of a command.  Thus, the character code 255 decimal (377 octal) will
      serve as an unintended command separator for commands given to "bash"
      via the "-c" option.  For example,

        bash -c 'ls\377who'

      (where "\377" represents the single character with value 255 decimal)
      will execute two commands, "ls" and "who."

II. Impact

This unexpected command separator can be dangerous, especially on systems such
as Linux where "bash" has been installed as "/bin/sh," when a program executes
a command with a string provided by a user as an argument using the "system()"
or "popen()" functions (or by calling "/bin/sh -c string" directly).

This is especially true for the CGI programming interface in World Wide Web
servers, many of which do not strip out characters with value 255 decimal.  If
a user sending data to the server can specify the character code 255 in a
string that is passed to a shell, and that shell is "bash," the user can
execute any arbitrary command with the user-id and permissions of the user
running the server (frequently "root").

The "bash" built-in commands "eval," "source," and "fc" are also potentially
vulnerable to this problem.

III. Solutions

   A. How to alleviate the problem

      This problem can be alleviated by changing the declaration of the
      "string" variable in the "yy_string_get()" function from "char *" to
      "unsigned char *."

   B. Official fix from the "bash" maintainers

      The "bash" maintainers have told us they plan to fix this problem in
      Version 2.0 of "bash," but this will not be released for at least a few
      more months.

   C. Unofficial fix until the official version is released

      Until the "bash" maintainers release Version 2.0, this problem can be
      fixed by applying the patch below to the "bash" source code, recompiling
      the program, and installing the new version.

      The patch below is for Version 1.14.6 of "bash."  Source code for this
      version can be obtained from

         ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/bash-1.14.6.tar.gz

      as well as many other sites around the Internet.

---------------------------------- cut here ----------------------------------
*** parse.y.old Thu Nov  2 15:00:51 1995
--- parse.y     Tue Aug 20 09:16:48 1996
***************
*** 904,910 ****
  static int
  yy_string_get ()
  {
!   register char *string;
    register int c;

    string = bash_input.location.string;
--- 904,910 ----
  static int
  yy_string_get ()
  {
!   register unsigned char *string;
    register int c;

    string = bash_input.location.string;
---------------------------------- cut here ----------------------------------

      To apply this patch, save the text between the two "--- cut here ---"
      lines to a file, change directories to the "bash" source directory, and
      issue the command

        patch < filename

      If you do not have the "patch" program, you can obtain it from

        ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/patch-2.1.tar.gz

      or you can apply the patch by hand.

      After applying the patch, recompile and reinstall the "bash" program by
      following the directions in the "INSTALL" file, included as part of the
      "bash" distribution.

      This patch is provided "AS IS" without warranty of any kind, including,
      without limitation, any implied warranties of merchantibility or fitness
      for a particular purpose.  This advisory does not create or imply any
      support obligations or any other liability on the part of IBM or its
      subsidiaries.

IV. Acknowledgements

IBM-ERS would like to thank the IBM Global Security Analysis Laboratory at the
IBM T. J. Watson Research Center for their discovery of this vulnerability,
bringing it to our attention, providing the patch to fix it, and assistance in
developing this alert.

UNIX is a technology trademark of X/Open Company, Ltd.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Scott J. Geertgens wrote:

> 
> > >> I keep getting the following message when trying to NFS mount any of the
> > >> exported filesystems.
> > >> 
> > >> 	mount clntupd_create: RPC: Program not registered
> > >> 
> > >
> > >Check that on the nfs server that mountd is running. This one is usually
> > >NOT started from inetd but instead is started from one of the rc files
> > >
> 
>    I realize this is most likely the correct answer, but I will add
> another solution just for the sake of completeness. At one point I _did_
> have all the correct daemons running (nfsd, mountd), and still came up
> with this error. It turned out that I had fiddled around with
> /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny too much and shut off nearly
> everything. This generates the same error as not having mountd running.
> Wonderfully descriptive :)

My 2 cents' worth on this one is that my (new) system had full NFS
capability until I installed the netstd package, at which point I got the
above message. 

Poking around showed that /etc/init.d/netstd__nfs had all 5 of the _start_
lines commented out.  I am a Unix dumbkov but uncommenting the nsfd and
mountd lines got things going again.  This may not be the way to fix it.

HTH

Lindsay





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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:19:21 CDT Todd Tyrone Fries 
(todd@miango.com) wrote:

> I've a friend who is installing debian and he asked me to ask these questions..
> 
> why does the perl package depend on csh?

Duh, sure about that one ? Never seen it....

> why does 'libc-dev' have a conflicting dependency with 'libc5' ??  It won't
> let him install libc5-dev for some odd reasion.

This one is fixed by upgrading to dpkg 1.2.11elf (available from
ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/Debian-1.1-fixes/binary ).

Phil.



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It seems like most ppp interface programs expect ppp-on and ppp-off or
up/down to be around.  Since I assume this can be just like
/etc/init.d/ppp start|stop, would it be bad for me to create a C
wrapper program (suid root) to call start-stop-deamon on pppd?  What
things do I have to watch out for?  I would expect that this would be
like dip, suid root, group dip or ppp, and mode 750.


Jim


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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:
> might want to change it to 'opti-med.com'.  Does anyone know if it is
> legal to have a dash (-) in a domain name?  If it is legal, could any
> problems arise from it's use (like confusing mail readers)? 

There are bazillions of them, like my old one:

'tu-berlin.de' for the Technical University of Berlin.

Never had any problem with it.

Heiko
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I'm unfamiliar with filter and elm, so this may be on the wrong track.

Anyhow, I had a similar problem trying to use two mail user agents
simultaneously (on a Sun, as it happens). The first program had placed a
lock on the mailbox while the second program, using the same protocol,
saw the lock refused to open my mailbox. Quitting both and restarting
the second program cured this.

If this is so, the `couldn't create lock file' problem is probably
causing the `couldn't open mailbox ...' problem.

HTH,
Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	eamon@studentservices.com[SMTP:eamon@studentservices.com]
>Sent: 	21 August 1996 15:48
>To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Cc: 	The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject: 	Help: sendmail/filter locking errors
>
>I just made the   switch the debian  distribution,
>and I'm fairly  impressed with it so far. However,
>with   the  installation   of  the  elm  2.4pl25-2
>package, filter appears to be broken. It panics
>when it tries to lock, reporting:
>
>filter (Wed Aug 21 09:30:32 1996 eamon): Mailing message to eamon
>filter (Wed Aug 21 09:31:02 1996 eamon): Couldn't create lock file
>filter (Wed Aug 21 09:31:02 1996 eamon): Can't open mailbox
>/var/spool/mail/eamon!
>filter (Wed Aug 21 09:31:02 1996 eamon): Using
>/home/eamon/EMERGENCY_MBOX as emergency mailbox
>
>Permissions  on the inboxes in /var/spool/mail are
>660, owned by  owner and grouped by 'mail'. Normal
>mail (smail) delivery seems  to be  going smoothly
>with no locking errors. Any ideas?
>
>   - Eamon Daly
>     Manager, Electronic Marketing
>     (847) 785 8000 x205
>
>


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Dashes are allowable, but you'll probably be refused the new name
because it's too similar to the old one. If it confuses a mail reader,
the mail reader's author should be shot.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
>From: 	Gerry Jensen[SMTP:gerry@blue.optimed.com]
>Sent: 	21 August 1996 20:43
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>Subject: 	Can domain names have a dash (-)?
>
>Recently, another company approached us requesting to take our domain
>name
>from us.  They claim they have it trademarked which we haven't really
>investigated yet.  Anyway, if we do have to change our domain name, we
>might want to change it to 'opti-med.com'.  Does anyone know if it is
>legal to have a dash (-) in a domain name?  If it is legal, could any
>problems arise from it's use (like confusing mail readers)? 
>
>Gerry
>gerry@optimed.com
>
>PS: Sorry, I know this isn't a Debian-specific question, but I thought
>I'd
>ask here because I know Debian users are the smartest, most coolest
>guys
>(and gals) around.  :)
>
>


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Hi all,

I'm happily running Debian 1.1 with Kernel 2.0.10 on several different 
machines here, but last week one of these began to show these messages (after
a crash due to a power failure):

EXT2-fs warning (device 16:01): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 24481
EXT2-fs warning (device 16:01): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 24481
[...]
EXT2-fs warning (device 16:02): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 136220
EXT2-fs warning (device 16:01): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 24481
EXT2-fs warning (device 16:02): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 136217
EXT2-fs warning (device 16:02): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 136218
EXT2-fs warning (device 16:02): ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 136219
[....]

The PC is a Pentium 100, 32 MB Ram and the hard disk setup is this (from dmesg):

ide: i82371 PIIX (Triton) on PCI bus 0 function 57
    ide0: BM-DMA at 0x3000-0x3007
    ide0 timing: (0xa307) sample_CLKs=3, recovery_CLKs=1
         master: fastDMA=on  PreFetch=on  IORDY=on  fastPIO=on 
         slave : fastDMA=off PreFetch=off IORDY=off fastPIO=off
    ide1: BM-DMA at 0x3008-0x300f
    ide1 timing: (0xa307) sample_CLKs=3, recovery_CLKs=1
         master: fastDMA=on  PreFetch=on  IORDY=on  fastPIO=on 
         slave : fastDMA=off PreFetch=off IORDY=off fastPIO=off
hda: Conner Peripherals 1275MB - CFS1276A, 1221MB w/0kB Cache, LBA, CHS=2482/16/63
hdc: Conner Peripherals 1275MB - CFS1276A, 1221MB w/0kB Cache, LBA, CHS=2482/16/63
hdd: OTI-SCYLLA, ATAPI CDROM drive

The first question is this: which device are 16:02 and 16:01 ? I looked in /dev
searching for devices whith major number 16 but I didn't found any.
Shouldn't hda and hdc correspond to major 3 and 22 ?

The disks are so partitioned:

Filesystem         1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/hda1              31687    8721    21330     29%   /
/dev/hda3              63439      37    60126      0%   /tmp
/dev/hda5             495714  232237   237876     49%   /usr
/dev/hda6             297603   41177   241056     15%   /var
/dev/hda7             227349   22334   193274     10%   /usr/local
/dev/hdc1             495714  146812   323301     31%   /web
/dev/hdc2             715203   21411   656849      3%   /home

I've tryed to e2fsck /dev/hdc2 (thinking that device 16:02 corresponds
to /dev/hdc2) and it found a lot of errors, but it seemed that e2fsck
was able to correct them all; after rebooting similar messages appeared
again after some hours.

Any clue about this? 

Tahnks in advance and best regards,
Luca.


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I am considering to buy a 2940 Ultra Wide SCSI card.  Does anyone
using it?  Does the kernel support it yet?


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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 wb2oyc@cyberenet.net wrote:

> The reason for the question is this; the ipfwadm -M -l shows no masquerade
> rule set.  

My setup command is more or less like yours, and I can see my masquerade
rule set with 'ipfwadm -Fl', as it is shown with a "msq" type.

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Gerry Jensen wrote:
: 
: might want to change it to 'opti-med.com'.  Does anyone know if it is
: legal to have a dash (-) in a domain name?  If it is legal, could any
: problems arise from it's use (like confusing mail readers)? 

Read some RFC's or simply ask the DNS for e.g. `ardenne-at.de' ...

    Heiko
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> a small question: after a successful install of Debian by FTP, the cron
> process generates a lot of output along the lines of "runq: command not
> found". I could not find it either. Is this a bug or a feature ? :-)

What kind of mail-transport agent are you using.  On my system runq is
part of the smail package and takes care of the outgoing mail.

Erick


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|"
|"
|"> a small question: after a successful install of Debian by FTP, the cron
|"> process generates a lot of output along the lines of "runq: command not
|"> found". I could not find it either. Is this a bug or a feature ? :-)
|"
|"What kind of mail-transport agent are you using.  On my system runq is
|"part of the smail package and takes care of the outgoing mail.

smail, as well. I have found the problem: runq is a symbolic link to
../sbin/smail. I had to make /usr/bin a symlink to another directory in the
root (because the root-system didn't fill up as quickly as /usr). Packages
that use this relative form of indexing instead of the full path thus
silently fail. Thanks for the pointer.

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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Hi Todd --

You said:
> why does 'libc-dev' have a conflicting dependency with 'libc5' ??  It won't
> let him install libc5-dev for some odd reasion.


dpkg --info libc5-dev_5.2.18-9.deb
yields

.
.
.
DEPENDS: libc5 (=5.2.18-9)
CONFLICTS: libc (<<4.6.27-11), libc-dev, pthreads-dev
PROVIDES: libc-dev, pthreads1-dev, pthreads-dev
RECOMMENDED: binutils, gcc
.
.
.

I don't see the conflict between libc5-dev and libc5, just a conflict
between libc5-dev and the version 4 libraries (libc and libc-dev),
(as well as a conflict between libc5-dev and pthreads-dev).

Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Bill --

You said:
>   One thing to think about is the blocksize.  If you've run "mt -f
>   /dev/st0 setblk 0" (which is good for reading tapes written by SunOS
>   and AIX I have found) you won't be able read tapes written with the
>   default block size (whatever that is) and vice-versa.

>   I haven't done any performance tests to compare the effects of
>   different block sizes but would be interested to hear from others
>   who have (I use tar for backups).

I have tried a lot of blocksizes and reboots between them with no
difference (or improvement).

Give tob or afio directly a whirl (if you have time).  I know I've got a 
sick 9 GByte disk drive (and we're going to the doctor tomorrow), and 
it's not clear whether or not my tape problems are related.
In any case, it's awfully curious why I am not having problems with tar
but do have awful problems with afio on the same (350 MByte) directory.

Cheers,
Susan


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Hi Fun --

You said:
> Hi i just grabbed the "unstable" apache package.  I tried to install it 
> and it wouldnt because it need libc5 and libdbgm1 (?).  I grabbed these 
> packages installed libc5 and then tried installing libdbgm1, guess what, 
> libdbgm1 wont intsall because it wants version libc5-16 while i have 
> libc5-18.

dpkg --info libgdbm1_1.7.3-11.deb

yields:
...
Depends: libc5 (>=5.2.16-1)
...


The '>=' sign means that libgdbm1 depends on version/revisions equal to
or later than 5.2.16-1, so 5.2.18 should be fine.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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> I've a friend who is installing debian and he asked me to ask these questions..
> why does the perl package depend on csh?

You can glob filenames in perl.... 

@filenames = <*>;
print @filenames;


But perl doesn't have the globbing built in. It actually calls csh to do
the magic for it.

> 
> why does 'libc-dev' have a conflicting dependency with 'libc5' ??  It won't
> let him install libc5-dev for some odd reasion.

dunno.

> --
> Todd Fries .. todd@miango.com
> 
> 

--gilbert

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Hi Charles --

>    I tried creating a subdirectory c:\linux in DOS, then from linux:
> 
>      mkdir ./dos
>      mount /dev/hda1/linux ./dos
>      cp /boot ./dos
> 

Your mount command (as given above) is making a DOS file system accessible
under a Linux directory.  That seems unusual.

If you just want to run loadlin, I recommend something simpler:

In DOS, execute:

mkdir <dirname>

To be specific, I'll use the word lboot for dirname, but feel free to pick
another.

Then unzip lodlinNN.zip into c:\lboot.

Then boot Linux.

mount -t /dev/hda1/lboot /dos
cp /vmlinuz /dos/lboot

Then reboot DOS.

cd lboot

Make yourself a file called "linux.bat", or whatever you like.
Include these two lines:
smartdrv /C
c:\lboot\loadlin  c:\lboot\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro 

Then execute your batch file by just typing "linux".

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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(couldn't mail directly to netcom.com)

Look at http://www.cheapbytes.com they hace a lot of linux stuff on the 
cheap side.  They also have other versions of Motif, that are a little 
cheaper, but they don't really mention what the difference b/w them are.

Shaya
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Oz Dror wrote:

> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For linux, where most people get it for free (or very cheaply) it is 
> > possible to get Motif through programs like MooTeeth, which is compiled 
> > from the Motif sources, but they haven't licensed the name so they can't 
> > call it Motif.  
> > 
> Do you know were can I get MooTeeth
> -Oz
> 
> 
> -- 
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Hello.

> 
>     I am trying to install the 7-14-96 debian release on a machine
> with over 500 megabytes on an IDE hard disk.  I want to have a DOS
> partition and a linux partition.  At present fdisk shows:
> 
> >    Device Boot   Begin    Start      End   Blocks   Id  System
> > /dev/hda1            1        1      356   179392+   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
> > /dev/hda2   *      357      357      966   307440   83  Linux native
> > /dev/hda3          967      967      999    16632   82  Linux swap
> 
> fdisk also displays a warning:
> 
> > The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1025.
> > This is larger than 1024, and may cause problems with:
> > 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)
> 
> The lilo documentation says:
> 
> >Note that large partitions that only partially extend into the "forbidden 
> >zone" are still in jeopardy even if they appear to work at first, because 
> >the file system does not know about the restrictions and may allocate disk 
> >space from the area beyond the 1024th cylinder when installing new kernels. 
> 

I think that your hda2 partition is under the 1024 cylinder boundary. Roar 
those of you debianites that disagree (let us know, i. e.)! 
Is there someway to check this with a program or can you be sure that when you 
have a partition taking up 16MB (the swap) at the end of a disk of this size
that that last cylinder (1025) is only used by that partition?

> Lilo suggests either using LOADLIN or booting from the DOS partition:
> 
> > In order to accomplish this, the DOS partition is mounted read-write, a 
> > directory (e.g. /dos/linux) is created, all files from /boot are moved to 
> > that directory, /boot is replaced by a symbolic link to it, the kernels are 
> > also moved to the new directory, their new location is recorded in 
> > /etc/lilo.conf, and finally /sbin/lilo is run.
> 
>    I tried creating a subdirectory c:\linux in DOS, then from linux:
> 
>      mkdir ./dos
>      mount /dev/hda1/linux ./dos
>      cp /boot ./dos
> 
> At this point, I got some warning or error messages.  It looks as though
> file names got truncated, and in some cases discarded completely.
> 
> >From ls /boot:
> 
> >    System.map-2.0.6     chain.b      
> >    any_b.b              map          
> >    any_d.b		  mbr.b        
> >    boot.0302	          os2_d.b      
> >    boot.b		  vmlinuz-2.0.6
> 
> >From ls ./dos:
> 
> >    any_b.b    map       
> >    any_d.b	mbr.b     
> >    boot.030   os2_d.b   
> >    boot.b	system.map
> >    chain.b
> 

Yes FAT handles only 8.3 names as I'm sure you know. There is a file system
called umsdos that adds this functionality to FAT. But to use this I suppose 
that you would need it compiled into the kernel as we are talking booting 
here. Perhaps a little too inconvenient and wasting of space.

>     I would appreciate some hand-holding at this stage.  Exactly
> what commands do I type to carry out the lilo instructions (specifically,
> the symbolic link and copying the kernel)?  Or would I be better off
> trying loadlin?
> 

I saw that there was another reply as well. (S)He (I don't remember the name, 
sorry) had some good ideas as well, like the name of the kernel doesn't 
matter.

>     Sorry this has been such a long post.  Thanks for your patience!
> 
> 


I hope my reach is long enough,

							MartinS


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Hi,

# ipfwadm -F -i masquerade -P all -S 192.168.210.0/0 -D 0.0.0.0/0

this is OK.

> The reason for the question is this; the ipfwadm -M -l shows no masquerade
> rule set.

ipfwadm -M -l (or netstat -M) will only show you masqueraded connections,
not the rules. The rules are displayed with "ipfwadm -F -l".

> So, I ran tcpdump on wb2oyc while doing this.  Sure enough, there I see
> packets sent from the Web host directly to the address of the laptop (!)
> which is assigned the address in the 192.168 reserved space and shouldn't
> ever get thru my ISP's router!

I think tcpdump is collecting the already masqueraded packets. You need to
snoop from an other host. Or simply use telnet to loginto any system which
will show you the source you are connecting from.

Greetings
Bernd


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<SNAP ON>

 ----------
From:  Charles A. Schuman[SMTP:cas@io.com]
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE wrote:

> For myself (I have a look-alike partitions table), I prefer
> to boot with a floppy and rerun LILO on my MBR. You will
> set it by replacing your boot line by boot=/dev/sda who
> will write on your sda MBR, in place of /dev/sda2 who
> would write on your partition. After that, just run lilo
> when you're root. the Boot flag are only use in OS/2 or
> MS-OSs at my knowledge. It's better to only have one set
> because MS-DOS doesn't support multiple boot parts.

I replaced line "boot=/dev/sda2" with "boot=/dev/sda"
and now I've an endless loop that goes:

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

LILO Loading Linux.......

with the seven dots.  Pressing shift gives me the

LILO boot:

What should I try next to get the hard drive to boot
the kernel on the second partition?  I may have ruined
it by writing a boot record onto the second partition.
I really don't know what I've done.  I made sure to
check the second partition - it is set active/bootable.
I'd made a typo earlier and ommited the star (*).

Missing Linux,

Charles


<SNAP OFF>

Sorry about it :(

I never got this problem before... and I succeed
all the time with whatever partition on my HD
by putting LILO on my MBR (I already succeed to
make LILO run the OS/2 Boot Manager partition and
an NT BOOT partition which it doesn't supposed
to be.)

For myself, lilo always do a good job but I suggest
you to check two things : your kernel bootup
(with rdev... I use it when I'm on Slackware but
hope it was already in the Debian release...)
and trying to clean you're boot sector on sda2
with cfdisk but be careful with it! It's easy
to erase lot of stock with it.

I hope you can already load from a floppy
with root=/dev/sda2. And keep looking on this
mail list... I'm not an expert in lilo and
boot sector, I was just doing lot of weird
installations as "hobby" :)

Don't give up! You will more luv your Linux
when you'll go through this!

GoodLuck!
Fab.


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<SNAP ON>

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From:  Daniel Lynes[SMTP:dbl@eznet.ca]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 21, 1996 9:07 PM
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On Thu, 22 Aug 96 00:28 BST, Ian Jackson wrote:

>If you delete the `Packages' files, or fail to download them, dselect
>will offer to scan the .deb files that are actually on your disk.

But, this method does not use the descriptions, or dependency lists,
either.  I kind of like that information, as it allows me to see if I'm
trying to install something I don't have the extra files for.


<SNAP OFF>

I use this method most of time almost because I'm
take my packages in rex who change quickly.
So, my own dependancies are made from the infos
find in deb files. The only I don't have is
the classification of some files because they're
optional and let to the DM but I got all needed
dependancies.

Ciao!
Fab.  


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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> There is some new documentation that I think is essential for all
> prospective Debian developers to read.

The documentation is also available at:
http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ian/policy.html/
http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ian/programmer.html/

Note the trailing `/'s.


Guy


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I'm really mazy from kernel headres in Debian distribution. I have installed
libc5, kernel_source and kernel_headers and I have 3 different headers!

I think old Slackware idea (/usr/include/{linux,asm,net} are links to 
/usr/src/linux/include/{linux,asm,net}) is more better. I can simly upgrade 
kernel_source and not yet libc5 to have same version of kernel headers.

Is any reason why not to use this schema in Debian too?

-- 
                                     Mirek Ruda 


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Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> There is some new documentation that I think is essential for all
> prospective Debian developers to read. It's in the dpkg_1.3.6 package,

> Since this is unreleased developmental software, you might
> not want to install it. 

> However, it's worth unpacking the
> package without installing it just to get the documentation. 

For emacs users, my deb-view feature is just what you need to look at
doc files in a .deb file without installing _or_ unpacking the archive!

The file is about 12KB.

http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~macdonal/deb-view.el

If you can't get at it, I can email it to you.

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>>>>> Regarding Re: mailagent and MH ; "Susan G. Kleinmann"
	<sgk@sgk.tiac.net> adds:

    Susan> $ popclient -3 -P ~/.tiac pop1.tiac.net
    Susan> QUALCOMM Pop server derived from UCB (version |214r3+TIAC|)
    Susan> at mailserver1 starting.
    Susan> 1 messages in folder
    Susan> reading message 1...
    Susan> $ scan last
    Susan> 4955  08/20 Michael Meskes     Re: Shadow vss PAM<<Patrick W
    Susan> $ scan last
    Susan> 4956  08/21 To:jbs@phast.umas  monitor info<<Hi Janice -- Yo

    Susan> Notice that:
    Susan> -- the popclient finished before I executed the 'scan'
    Susan>    command,
    Susan> -- the first of the two "scan last" commands finished
    Susan>    before I executed the second.
    Susan> -- the second "scan last" yielded a different result the
    Susan>    second time I invoked it.

    Susan> This must certainly be a bug.  I don't know if it is in
    Susan> popclient, mailagent, or possibly MH.

Last time I checked, the popclient program simply retrieves each
message from the server and mails it, using the generic `mail'
program, to the user's local account.  Then the MTA, such as sendmail
or smail, actually delivers the message, sending it to mailagent if
instructed to in the user's .forward file.  The delay that you have
observed is the time required for the local MTA to deliver the
message.

--
Brian Mays


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>>>>> "EDWARD" == EDWARD FORREST URENDA <eddie@ucla.edu> writes:


    EDWARD> I once ftp'ed the pcmcia package from virginia, but then
    EDWARD> uninstalled it.  Where can I find it once more?  I really
    EDWARD> need it.  It works really well with my pc card and laptop.

The PCMCIA package is located at

ftp.debian.org:/pub/debian/unstable/binary-i386/admin\
	/pcmcia-cs-2.0.7_2.8.18-2.deb

Unfortunately, it has gotten ahead of the kernel-image package.  It is
compiled for kernel version 2.0.7, while the kernel-image package in
the unstable distribution is only version 2.0.6.  There is a version
2.0.7 kernel-image package in the Incoming directory that I hope will
be released soon.

The new kernel-image package has been there for some time (for about a
month).  From what I remember, it was in the Incoming directory when I
made the pcmcia-cs-2.0.7 package, and I was hoping that both the
kernel-image and pcmcia-cs packages for kernel version 2.0.7 would be
transfered to the ftp sites at the same time.

For kernel versions other than 2.0.7, you can compile the pcmcia
package yourself with either the pcmcia-cs-source package at

  ftp.debian.org:/pub/debian/unstable/binary-i386/admin\
	/pcmcia-cs-source_2.8.18-2.deb

with the commands (assuming that you also have a kernel source
installed in /usr/src/linux)

  dpkg -i pcmcia-cs-source_2.8.18-2.deb
  cd /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs-2.8.18
  ./debian.rules binary

or you can get the pcmcia source from

  ftp.debian.org:/pub/debian/unstable/source/admin\
	/pcmcia-cs_2.8.18-2.tar.gz

Untar the file and run `./debian.rules binary' in the pcmcia-cs-2.8.18
directory.

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Brian


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I just upgraded to the newest Babel (3.6-4) and it seems to have gotten 
screwed.  It won't configure because it says it doesn't know how to 
generate manfnt.mf, and then it says it can't find manfnt.mf.  It then 
writes a huge log file to disk, which has crashed my machine already 
because it filled up the disk, so now I kill it before it writes too 
much.  
I had installed some new TeX packages right before I installed Babel, 
could that be the reason it is messed up right now.  I have included all 
the output from the configure and the end of this message in case that 
can help anyone figure out what happened.  

Thanks

Shaya
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--Output from configuration of Babel

# dpkg --configure babel
Setting up babel (3.6-4) ...
Building new format(s) with babel support using install-fmt-base(8)
Rebuilding `latex' format ... done
Rebuilding `tex' format ... kpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM manfnt.tfm
Running MakeTeXPK manfnt.tfm
mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt \</dev/null
This is METAFONT, Version 2.71 (C version 6.1)

kpathsea: Running MakeTeXMF manfnt.mf
I don't know how to generate manfnt.mf!
! I can't find file `manfnt.mf'.
<*> ...=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt

Please type another input file name:
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt

Transcript written on mfput.log.
Metafont failed for some reason on manfnt.tfm
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
dpkg: error processing babel (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)


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gs was upgraded but a new version of gsfonts was not placed on the ftp
site.  gs depends on a current version of gsfonts.

Erv
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 wb2oyc@cyberenet.net wrote:

> Anyone here on the Debian-L know the secrets of using the ipfwadm
> utility to set up masquerading?  I've built a kernel with the proper
> options but I'm concerned about whether I'm really masquerading, or
> just forwarding packets.  How do I prove it?

[stuff deleted]

> So, I ran tcpdump on wb2oyc while doing this.  Sure enough, there I see
> packets sent from the Web host directly to the address of the laptop (!)
> which is assigned the address in the 192.168 reserved space and shouldn't
> ever get thru my ISP's router!  In other words, I was not masquerading for
> its address; I don't think.  Bummer!  Worse, my ISP is not stopping those
> packets.

I doubt that is really what is happening.  Even if you are sending packets
out onto the Internet from the reserved address (i.e. masquerading not
working), a site on the Internet would have no way of knowing how to route
packets back to the reserved address.  My hunch is that masquerading is
indeed working for you and that you're just misinterpreting the output
from tcpdump. The masquerading is perhaps translating to the reserved
address before you are seeing the output from tcpdump so it looks as if it
is really routing directly to the reserved address which is impossible. 

I've seen the behavior you describe though (that it can only access some
of the sites that the firewall machine can access directly).  Some things
that helped fix things for me were:

* Turn on "IP: always defragment" in the kernel configuration if you
  haven't done so.  
* Make the MTU settings the same on all sections of the link.  If you're
  connected to your ISP via PPP/SLIP, and the laptop is connected via
  ethernet, set the MTU of the PPP/SLIP link to 1500 because that's what
  is the default for ethernet.  (You may be able to lower the MTU of the
  ethernet link to what your PPP/SLIP link is too, but I've always done
  it the other way).

Actually, either of the above tips by themselves may fix the problem as I
think they are essentially doing the same thing.

For what it's worth, this is how I set up masquerading on my machine, but
I know there are several ways to do it.  The way you are doing it sounds
like it is working.

  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -S 192.168.100.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0

Good luck,

Gerry
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I'm running the unstable tree. If someone else can try '/sbin/clock -r'
and let me know if it seg faults, I'd appreciate it. It does it on
2 systems here... :(

Tim

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From: Charles Blair <c-blair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
> I am trying to install the 7-14-96 debian release on a machine
> with over 500 megabytes on an IDE hard disk.

Well, if LILO will work at all with the default configuration that you get
when you install the package, you are probably safe, since only _one_
cylinder extends beyond 1024. Only a fraction of one percent of your disk
blocks are in that cylinder, and it is unlikely that the kernel will land
on one. If that's the case, it would be best for you stop here rather than
trying any of the following.

I solved this problem by creating a small partition for my "/", separate from
the one for "/usr". All of that partition was below the 1023rd cylinder, and
all of the files that LILO needed fit in it. Then the lilo configuration that
the package creates automaticaly will always work.

If you want to run LILO on the /dos partition, I think the /etc/lilo.conf
file should look like this:

	boot=/dev/hda1 (block device for /dos)
	root=/dev/hda2 (block device for linux "/")
	compact
	install=/dos/boot/boot.b (make sure this file is there)
	map=/dos/boot/map (this will be created there)
	vga=normal
	prompt
	image=/dos/vmlinuz (make sure this is there too)
	label=Linux
	read-only

Then, make sure to make the DOS partition as the boot partition using
fdisk. This will make it impossible to boot DOS without a floppy.
That's one reason it might be better to create a separate small root
partition for Linux.

Thanks

Bruce


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> What should I try next to get the hard drive to boot
> the kernel on the second partition?  I may have ruined
> it by writing a boot record onto the second partition.

Try re-installing the LILO package, and answer _yes_ to all of the questions
it asks you. This will put Debian's MBR program on your MBR, and our standard
LILO configuration on your partition, and will get you
in a known state that will help us diagnose any subsequent problems.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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This is best sent to security@debian.org, for future reference.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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> The first question is this: which device are 16:02 and 16:01 ?
> I looked in /dev searching for devices whith major number 16 but
> I didn't found any. Shouldn't hda and hdc correspond to major 3 and 22 ?

The message is in hex (which is probably a mistake). It's hdc2 and hdc1.

> I've tryed to e2fsck /dev/hdc2 (thinking that device 16:02 corresponds
> to /dev/hdc2) and it found a lot of errors, but it seemed that e2fsck
> was able to correct them all; after rebooting similar messages appeared
> again after some hours.

> Any clue about this? 

Any random core dumps? This is going to sound stupid, but check for bad RAM.
Any bad block (I/O error) messages?

	Bruce


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My recent ftp debian 1.1 installation was a great success, 
except that I appear to have deleted a package needed for 
further ftp installations using dselect .... I don't know 
where I went wrong, but was trying to save some disk space 
and probably pressed a - when I should have selected an =.

Could this be wu-ftp ?  I've looked in the "packages" list 
and couldn't see any dependencies .... could anyone help me 
out with this one ?

Thanks in advance

David 

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>Hello.
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>> 
>>     I am trying to install the 7-14-96 debian release on a machine
>> with over 500 megabytes on an IDE hard disk.  I want to have a DOS
>> partition and a linux partition.  At present fdisk shows:
>> 
>> >    Device Boot   Begin    Start      End   Blocks   Id  System
>> > /dev/hda1            1        1      356   179392+   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
>> > /dev/hda2   *      357      357      966   307440   83  Linux native
>> > /dev/hda3          967      967      999    16632   82  Linux swap
>> 
>> fdisk also displays a warning:
>> 
>> > The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1025.
>> > This is larger than 1024, and may cause problems with:
>> > 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)
>> 
>> The lilo documentation says:
>> 
>> >Note that large partitions that only partially extend into the "forbidden 
>> >zone" are still in jeopardy even if they appear to work at first, because 
>> >the file system does not know about the restrictions and may allocate disk 
>> >space from the area beyond the 1024th cylinder when installing new kernels. 
>> 
>
>I think that your hda2 partition is under the 1024 cylinder boundary. Roar 
>those of you debianites that disagree (let us know, i. e.)! 
>Is there someway to check this with a program or can you be sure that when you 
>have a partition taking up 16MB (the swap) at the end of a disk of this size
>that that last cylinder (1025) is only used by that partition?
>
>> Lilo suggests either using LOADLIN or booting from the DOS partition:
>> 
>> > In order to accomplish this, the DOS partition is mounted read-write, a 
>> > directory (e.g. /dos/linux) is created, all files from /boot are moved to 
>> > that directory, /boot is replaced by a symbolic link to it, the kernels
are 
>> > also moved to the new directory, their new location is recorded in 
>> > /etc/lilo.conf, and finally /sbin/lilo is run.
>> 
>>    I tried creating a subdirectory c:\linux in DOS, then from linux:
>> 
>>      mkdir ./dos
>>      mount /dev/hda1/linux ./dos
>>      cp /boot ./dos
>> 
>> At this point, I got some warning or error messages.  It looks as though
>> file names got truncated, and in some cases discarded completely.
>> 
>> >From ls /boot:
>> 
>> >    System.map-2.0.6     chain.b      
>> >    any_b.b              map          
>> >    any_d.b		  mbr.b        
>> >    boot.0302	          os2_d.b      
>> >    boot.b		  vmlinuz-2.0.6
>> 
>> >From ls ./dos:
>> 
>> >    any_b.b    map       
>> >    any_d.b	mbr.b     
>> >    boot.030   os2_d.b   
>> >    boot.b	system.map
>> >    chain.b
>> 
>
>Yes FAT handles only 8.3 names as I'm sure you know. There is a file system
>called umsdos that adds this functionality to FAT. But to use this I suppose 
>that you would need it compiled into the kernel as we are talking booting 
>here. Perhaps a little too inconvenient and wasting of space.
>
>>     I would appreciate some hand-holding at this stage.  Exactly
>> what commands do I type to carry out the lilo instructions (specifically,
>> the symbolic link and copying the kernel)?  Or would I be better off
>> trying loadlin?
>> 
>
>I saw that there was another reply as well. (S)He (I don't remember the name, 
>sorry) had some good ideas as well, like the name of the kernel doesn't 
>matter.
>
>>     Sorry this has been such a long post.  Thanks for your patience!
>> 
>> 
>
>
>I hope my reach is long enough,
>
>							MartinS
>
>
>

I originally set up Linux on a WD 1.2GIG IDE drive, putting Linux /
into /dev/hda1, swap in /dev/hda2, /usr in /dev/hda3, and Windows 95
in /dev/hda4.  The entire Linux system was under 500 Megs, so I did
not have to do _anything_ tricky to get it to work.  (Getting the
Linux system to work the way I wanted it to has _not_ been so smooth,
but that's another story :-) )

I use Central Point Bootsafe, part of their old Antivirus program,
that watches for any program that tries to modify the boot sector.
I installed Win95 first, so after I installed Linux and LILO, of
course the boot sector was modified, and Bootsafe complained when
I subsequently booted Win95.  I just let Bootsafe accept the new
boot image as the correct one, (choose "Update" from the promt) and
Linux and W95 lived happily ever after.

I don't know if this rant will help or not; I hope it will.
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Is there a postscript version of the documents.

Thanks,

Shaya
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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > There is some new documentation that I think is essential for all
> > prospective Debian developers to read.
> 
> The documentation is also available at:
> http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ian/policy.html/
> http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ian/programmer.html/
> 
> Note the trailing `/'s.
> 
> 
> Guy
> 
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You may remember that I posted a little while ago about not being able to 
print over ethertalk.  Well now I can print, but that doesn't do me that 
much good because it just keeps on printing.  I have tried many things, 
but I can't seem to figure out what's going wrong.  I could modify a lpr 
script I have, but that wouldn't do me any good because I still wan't to 
use lpd and lpr that came with the system.

I am begining to think their is either a bug in psf (comes in the 
netatalk package) or in lpr/lpd.  When ever I print with pap alone, it 
prints fine.  However when I use psf as an input filter in the printcap 
file, and then I call it with lpr, it prints an infinite amount of 
copies.  

Has anyone ever seen this behavior before from either lpr/lpd or psf.  
The only things I can think of are maybe the printer's the problem (HP 
LaserJet 4M Plus) or the permissions of the spool directory are wrong.

drwxr-sr-x   2 root     lp           1024 Aug 22 15:37 hplj4m

Thanks

Shaya
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Lawrence Chim <ychim@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> writes:

> I am considering to buy a 2940 Ultra Wide SCSI card.  Does anyone
> using it?  Does the kernel support it yet?

I just started using one with my new machine, and it appears to work
fine.  You might need to make sure you have a fairly recent kernel.

I will note that this card does not appear to cooperate well with the
older AHA-2940.  I tried using both in the machine at the same time,
and it wouldn't quite work.  It is supposed to work if you have
identical cards.

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ruda@ics.muni.cz (Miroslav Ruda) writes:

> Is any reason why not to use this schema in Debian too?

Read /usr/doc/libc5/FAQ.gz

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE wrote:

> But, this method does not use the descriptions, or dependency lists,
> either.  I kind of like that information, as it allows me to see if I'm
> trying to install something I don't have the extra files for.

It's fairly easy to generate your own Packages files from what's
installed on your drive.  Download the files /debian/indices/override*
and just run `dpkg-scanpackages binarydir overridefle [pathprefix] >
Packages'

binarydir is the name of the binary tree to process.  overridefile is
the name of the override file.  Use the appropriate one from the set
you just downloaded from the indices directory.  pathprefix is an
optional string to be prepended to the Filename field.

The experimental dpkg 1.3 in project/experimental has an actual manpage
for this command.  (no way!)

If you're mastering CDs, btw, it's a very very very good idea to
generate your own Packages files.  The Packages file can be as much as
24 hours out of sync with what's actually on the site.


Guy


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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> Is there a postscript version of the documents

Yes, in the directory ftp://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/users/ian/dpkg-doc/
you'll find various versions of the files, including postscript.

Once again, these are *DRAFT* documents which do *NOT* reflect current
policies.  Although major changes are unlikely, they are certainly
possible.

If you are a prospective developer, please also get the latest hello
and dpkg packages from /debian/project/experimental to play with.  The
same caveats apply; you should *NOT* upload any packages using the new
source format.


Guy


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At 09:01 22/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Fun --

hi Su:)

>dpkg --info libgdbm1_1.7.3-11.deb
>
>yields:
>...
>Depends: libc5 (>=5.2.16-1)
>...

You quite right, but i have libgdbm1_1.7.3.8 ... thats my other problem, i
cant find lib3-11 ...

I even had a look at ftp.debian.org, i can find this version ...
.. thanks ..:)

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At 10:33 AM 8/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
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Hi,

  I'd like to know if there is any document/help info for me
  read on how to become debian-ized.

  I'm currently run SLACKWARE and thinking about switching.
  Please reply directory to my email because I do not believe
  I'm in this mailing list.

  How do I sign up for the debian mailing list anyway.  Thanks!
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I recently installed Debian 1.1, including termcap.compat.  Since then
I've installed a custom version of the kernel (2.0.7) successfully, so
I figure that gcc is reasonably well set up.

However, I tried to compile kermit 5A(190) and the make failed,
complaining that it couldn't find -ltermcap.

There is definitely a file of the form /lib/libtermcap.so.?, but I
guess gcc is looking for a *.a file.

How should I go about fixing this?


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>
>My 2 cents' worth on this one is that my (new) system had full NFS
>capability until I installed the netstd package, at which point I got the
>above message. 
>
>Poking around showed that /etc/init.d/netstd__nfs had all 5 of the _start_
>lines commented out.  I am a Unix dumbkov but uncommenting the nsfd and
>mountd lines got things going again.  This may not be the way to fix it.
>
>HTH
>
>Lindsay
That is precisely what my problem was also!!!!  None of the daemons were
started 'cause they were all commented out............

Paul


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I suggest that you get "procmail" or "mailagent" on your system, and set
it up so that the list is split into a separate file from your personal
mailbox. That's how I read the 30 lists I subscribe to, and there is much
less overwhelm than if I had everything in one mailbox.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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To: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:15:25 -0400
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Guy Maor wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> > Is there a postscript version of the documents
> 
> Yes, in the directory ftp://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/users/ian/dpkg-doc/
> you'll find various versions of the files, including postscript.
> 
> Once again, these are *DRAFT* documents which do *NOT* reflect current
> policies.  Although major changes are unlikely, they are certainly
> possible.
> 
> If you are a prospective developer, please also get the latest hello
> and dpkg packages from /debian/project/experimental to play with.  The
> same caveats apply; you should *NOT* upload any packages using the new
> source format.
> 

In an effort to save some time and possibly some trees, note that:

The new documents are provided in the most recent versions of dpkg
(>=1.3.3).  They are in /usr/doc/dpkg as HTML files.
If you get the source for dpkg version 1.3.3, you will find the SGML
source files from which these HTML files were generated using
the new debiandoc script developed by Ian Jackson.  (Thanks, Ian!).  
In order to translate those files into Postscript, you need to install 
debiandoc-sgml, linuxdoc-sgml, sp, and sgmlspm.  Then you can convert 
the SGML source files into postscript using the command 
     debiandoc2ps programmer.sgml 
     debiandoc2ps policy.sgml 
Then, if you live on the West side of the Atlantic, you probably
then will want to run the command
     psresize -Pa4 -pletter programmer.ps > programmer.ps.letter
and then you want to print programmer.ps.letter.

Assuming not everyone wants to go through all this, it might help some 
folks to put the Postscript files (in both A4 and letter size formats) 
on the WWW site.  These documents have been so badly needed for so long
that it seems that it would be a really Good Thing to do whatever
can be done to promulgate them (IMHO).

Regards,
Susan Kleinmann


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	 I saw this announcement in c.o.l.a and I am a bit confused.

<much deleted>--------------------------------------------------------

There has been something called "NetKit-B-0.07B" uploaded to some of
the archive sites. This is an unauthorized release of NetKit-B. It may
be trojanized or hacked. Please do not use it; please remove it from
all archives.

The currently released version of NetKit-B is NetKit-B-0.07A.
NetKit-B-0.08 is going to be released in a few days. All future
releases of NetKit-B will be PGP signed.

If in doubt, please contact me directly.

David A. Holland
dholland@hcs.harvard.edu
18-Aug-1996

<much more deleted>----------------------------------------------------

Is this person the maintainer of the NetKit?? Just from looking on
nic.funet.fi under /Linus I see that NetKit-B-0.07B is present and
is a mirror (?) of the actual maintainers site. Who is the actual
maintainer of the NetKit package? The person claiming to be the maintainer
and the person listed in my howto's are two different people. ??????

   Thanks,
			gith@quicklink.net



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> However, I tried to compile kermit 5A(190) and the make failed,
> complaining that it couldn't find -ltermcap.
> 
> There is definitely a file of the form /lib/libtermcap.so.?, but I
> guess gcc is looking for a *.a file.

Are you sure? Perhaps it's looking for /lib/libtermcap.so   
(without the '.?' extension)

> How should I go about fixing this?

If so, use ln -s

--gilbert
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Hi Timothy --

You asked:
>   I'd like to know if there is any document/help info for me
>   read on how to become debian-ized.
Look on http://www.debian.org.

>   I'm currently run SLACKWARE and thinking about switching.
You'll get the unwelcome advice that you'll need to 
(a) save your configuration files, and whatever else you don't want to lose.
(b) fetch the Debian boot, root, and 3 base disks,
(c) reboot, following instructions in the boot disk, etc.

You'll really be best off in the long run if you reformat your hard disk
(unless you have a spare handy) and install Debian on a clean partition.

>   How do I sign up for the debian mailing list anyway.  Thanks!

Execute this command:

mail debian-user-request@lists.debian.org -s subscribe

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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----------
> > >I've set up a test PC with Debian 1.1 and want to 
> > >administer it remotely but am refused a telnet connection 
> > >as root ... is there a way around this ?  Do I have to give 
> > 
> > 
> > The way I handle this problem is log in under my account and type
> > 
> >         su root
> > 
> > Then it'll ask for the root password and bada-bing! You're root.
> > 
> > Hope this helps!
> > Tim
> > 
> 
> I use a program called "op" that works like "super".  Its
> not quite as quick as "bada-bing" its more like "bada-bing
> bada-boom" but there's much to be said about this mechanism.
> 
> It provides accountablility, more granular control over
> rootly power, etc.
> 
> Bye ...
> 
This is all nice and good, but there is a better way.

==============
/etc (2)$ cat secur*
# /etc/securetty: list of terminals on which root is allowed to login.
# $Id: securetty,v 3.0 1994/09/09 03:38:19 imurdock Exp $

tty1
tty2
tty3
tty4
tty5
tty6
tty7
tty8
ttyp0
ttyp1
ttyp2
ttyp3
ttyp4
ttyp5
ttyp6
ttyp7
ttyp8
ttyp9
Date => Sun Aug 18 11:06:33 EDT 1996
/etc (3)$ who
root     ttyp0    Aug 18 11:06 (adam.hackers-net)
Date => Sun Aug 18 11:08:15 EDT 1996
/etc (4)$
==============
I used telnet in Win95 to access linux, and cut and pasted this output
into here.

The ttyN are the function key terminals.  ttypN are for telnet.

Have fun!



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Rick Macdonald <rickm@vsl.com> writes:
> 
> For emacs users, my deb-view feature is just what you need to look at
> doc files in a .deb file without installing _or_ unpacking the archive!
> 
> The file is about 12KB.
> 
> http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~macdonal/deb-view.el
> 

Ditto.  Some of these dpkg docs are html; if you have w3, when you
deb-view one of these docs you can 'w3-preview-this buffer' to display
it right.  It can't follow the links (hmm...that'd have to be pretty
abstract) so view each file separately, if that's comfy for you.  

(Unsolicited deb-view ramble: I find it particularly valuable, since I
used to 'dpkg -x' deb-files all the time to check stuff out, and often I
was root.  Cleaning up from that, I'd always 'rm -r usr/' in the
unpacking workspace, and then gasp, realizing I'd been one character
away from the apocalypse :-)

Thanks again, Rick.

-- 

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Andy Dougherty <doughera@fractal.phys.lafayette.edu> writes:

> Perl uses 'csh' for filename globbing (that is, for <*.*> sort of
> constructs.)  Yes, that's strange behavior, and the dependency probably
> will eventually be removed, but not anytime soon.

But, but...I thought it was noted, here or in the bug reports, that the
csh-usage was an optional include, and was being taken out.  Maybe this
is a Debian stable/unstable issue?, because my current perl, and the
current rex/binary-i386 Packages file say:

Package: perl
Version: 5.003-2
Pre-Depends: libc5, libgdbm1, libdb1  

I've never had csh on this system and this version went in fine, works
fine.  Darren, are you around to confirm that this is behind us?  

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com


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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> 
> I just upgraded to the newest Babel (3.6-4) and it seems to have gotten 
> screwed.  It won't configure because it says it doesn't know how to 
> generate manfnt.mf, and then it says it can't find manfnt.mf.  It then 
> writes a huge log file to disk, which has crashed my machine already 
> because it filled up the disk, so now I kill it before it writes too 
> much.  
> I had installed some new TeX packages right before I installed Babel, 
> could that be the reason it is messed up right now.  I have included all 
> the output from the configure and the end of this message in case that 
> can help anyone figure out what happened.  

Ditto here, I noticed the same problem this afternoon!

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"James A. Robinson" writes:
-> 
-> > Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
-> > issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?
-> 
-> Motif is a set of "proprietary" libraries licensed by OSF.  So it
-> costs money to get them.  I've bought them for $99.00 at InfoMagic
-> (http://www.infomagic.com), but I've heard some people quote and
-> amazingly low price of $40.00.  Normally one sees them going for
-> $200.00 or so.

To be more explicit, it's a proprietary implementation of an 'open'
API. The name 'Motif' is a trademark, and the actual code is
copyright, but the API is 'open'.  The going rate I've seen is
generally $99-$199.  The only way you might see it for $40 is if it's
the runtime package only (just the shared libs) as vendors have to pay
$40 for each development pachage they ship to OSF (Development package
is libs and header files - source is on the order of $15,000, I
think). If I understand the licencing correctly, the shared lib may be
shipped without the header files without charge, which would allow you
to use dynamically linked Motif programs, but not compile Motif apps
on your own.  I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong on this.

-> Lesstif is an attempt to duplicate the API of Motif, without using the
-> proprietary source code.  They want to allow anybody to compile and
-> run Motif programs using Lesstif.  Lesstif is free, and is put out by
-> the Hungry Programmers (http://www.hungry.com).  As far as I can tell,
-> it is still very unstable, and not usable for something like
-> StarOffice.  But others who have actually used it should speak up.

It's made lots of progress, and certain apps run OK with it.  However,
it's still not quite there yet for larger apps.

-Larry

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> > What should I try next to get the hard drive to boot
> > the kernel on the second partition?  I may have ruined
> > it by writing a boot record onto the second partition.
> 
> Try re-installing the LILO package, and answer _yes_ to all of the questions
> it asks you. This will put Debian's MBR program on your MBR, and our standard
> LILO configuration on your partition, and will get you
> in a known state that will help us diagnose any subsequent problems.
> 

Alternatively, boot the system from a floppy and make the second 
partition the active one.  This will then boot LILO properly without 
having to write to the MBR.  It works...

Carlo


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Miroslav Ruda wrote:
: 
: I think old Slackware idea (/usr/include/{linux,asm,net} are links to 
: /usr/src/linux/include/{linux,asm,net}) is more better. I can simly upgrade 
: kernel_source and not yet libc5 to have same version of kernel headers.
: 
: Is any reason why not to use this schema in Debian too?

libc5 is compiled with e.g. the 2.0.0 headers.  So it's absolutly
correct to use these headers for `user' development.

For kernel development you'd probably need the most current headers as
found in /usr/src/linux/include/linux ...

Some weeks ago I'd a similar question like you, but now I think, the
current solution is the most approbiate.


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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

Hello Bruce,

> This is best sent to security@debian.org, for future reference.

Will do so,

Thanks

Steffen


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Bruce Perens wrote:

> > I've tryed to e2fsck /dev/hdc2 (thinking that device 16:02 corresponds
> > to /dev/hdc2) and it found a lot of errors, but it seemed that e2fsck
> > was able to correct them all; after rebooting similar messages appeared
> > again after some hours.
> 
> > Any clue about this? 
> 
> Any random core dumps? This is going to sound stupid, but check for bad RAM.
> Any bad block (I/O error) messages?

Not at all, I've recompiled several times the kernel (even under X) and
all went fine, so I *think* it shouldn't be a RAM related issue. 

I've reformatted /dev/hdc2 yesterday with the -c option and all
was good, and today the same message has appeared again, besides some
files has been lost. How can I investigate further in the problem
in your opinion?

Thank you for your time.

Regards,
Luca.




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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:17:51 +0200 (MET DST)
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wilbert writes:
> Does anyone of you know how to use the win32gcc package? Did I miss some
> documenation or websites? Am I right when I assume that with this package
> I can compile and link c++ programs which are runnable on a windows
> machine?

You are completely correct. But you need cygwin.dll (on ftp.cygnus.com) to
be able to run the binaries.

Michael

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Hi!

I've just tried to install Debian 1.1.5 my computer.
I have several problems.

As my boot disk is on a ncr53c810 board, I need a special kernel,
but it seems that they only exists with a 2.0.5 kernel while
the standard kernel is a 2.0.6. But went I choose the installation
of the kernel, I have the following message "Error in archive format".
After this, the modules don't want to load (version mismatch).

After the reboot, after choosing the software to install
with dseelect, and after started the installation, dselect
make a loop on making the replacement. After 4 loops, I've made
a ^C to be able to configure the packages.

My third problem is that I've select kernel-sources but I
don't see /usr/src/linux.

Hardware:
=========
Mother board: Asus T2P4
Pentium 133
SCSI board SC-200 (ncr53c810)
1Gb boot disk (700Mo for linux, no swap)
CDROM ATAPI/IDE

Thanks for your help.


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Hi Brian --

Brian Mays wrote:
> Last time I checked, the popclient program simply retrieves each
> message from the server and mails it, using the generic `mail'
> program, to the user's local account.  Then the MTA, such as sendmail
> or smail, actually delivers the message, sending it to mailagent if
> instructed to in the user's .forward file.  The delay that you have
> observed is the time required for the local MTA to deliver the
> message.

You are exactly right.  I think what confused me is that popclient
sends messages to the terminal saying "reading message <N>", then
"reading message <N+1>", which I took to mean that it had finished
reading message N, and had therefore made it available for me to read.  
That was wrong, and the delay was long enough to have caused the
confusion.

This is a case of files being shifted between several buckets.
ISP -> /var/spool/mqueue -> mailagent's spool -> MH's folders.
 #1           #2                 #3                   #4

I suppose what's confusing is that what I used to do was to call MH's
'inc' command directly, which was equivalent to saying "please put my
mail messages in bucket #4".  What happened before the messages were
dumped into #4 was invisible to me.  By calling popclient directly,
which is what's required in order to cause the MTA to divert messages
through mailagent, I'm saying "please put my messages into bucket #2".
Lacking any notification that mailagent is in the process of 
moving messages from #2 to #4, I just assumed that the completion of 
the only task I executed from the command line (popclient) implied 
the completion of the whole process.  (Hmm. Somehow the fact that
this doesn't happen, and yet the user isn't notified, still 
seems non-optimum.)

Meanwhile, your interpretation is very much appreciated.  Am beginning 
to "get it."

Thanks,
Susan Kleinmann


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Download the debianised version from www.columbia.edu.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>----------
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>
>I recently installed Debian 1.1, including termcap.compat.  Since then
>I've installed a custom version of the kernel (2.0.7) successfully, so
>I figure that gcc is reasonably well set up.
>
>However, I tried to compile kermit 5A(190) and the make failed,
>complaining that it couldn't find -ltermcap.
>
>There is definitely a file of the form /lib/libtermcap.so.?, but I
>guess gcc is looking for a *.a file.
>
>How should I go about fixing this?
>
>
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>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:00:07 -0700, Ken Gaugler <keng@hybrid.com> said:
 Ken> At 10:33 AM 8/22/96 -0700, you wrote:

 >> Is there a digested version of this mailing list?...

 Ken> Check out http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/ 

NOPE! Precisely! Those stop on June 24. Any follow-up out there?

Amities,

		Jean Orloff
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When using dselect to install several upgraded packages today I
suddenly started receiving error messages from perl.  Here is part of
the transcript.
 ...
 Preparing to replace ldso (using .../base/ldso_1.8.2-1.deb) ...
 Unpacking replacement ldso ...
 Preparing to replace modules (using .../base/modules_2.0.0-8.deb) ...
 perl: can't load library 'libdl.so.1'
 perl: can't load library 'libdl.so.1'
 ...

Running /sbin/ldconfig -p indicates that the required library is there.

 bash$ /sbin/ldconfig -p
 50 libs found in cache `/etc/ld.so.cache' (version 1.7.0)
	  1 - ELF libvgagl.so.1 => /usr/lib/libvgagl.so.1.2.8
         ...
	 28 - ELF libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
         ...

The installation eventually finished and now I can run perl again.
Three packages (linux-util, gcc, and another that I forget) did not
install correctly.  On the second time an installation was attempted
it was successful for these three.

Is it possible that I need to clean up from other packages for which
the post.inst scripts did not run when perl was temporarily
unavailable?


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The following should be self explanitory:

       Dillweed# dpkg -i util-linux_2.5-5.deb
       (Reading database ... 15590 files and directories currently
installed.)
       Preparing to replace util-linux (using util-linux_2.5-5.deb) ...
       Unpacking replacement util-linux ...
       Setting up util-linux (2.5-5) ...
        
       Dillweed# clock 
-----> Segmentation fault
       Dillweed# dpkg -i util-linux_2.5-4.deb 
       dpkg - warning: downgrading util-linux from 2.5-5 to 2.5-4.
       (Reading database ... 15590 files and directories currently
installed.)
       Preparing to replace util-linux (using util-linux_2.5-4.deb) ...
       Unpacking replacement util-linux ...
       Setting up util-linux (2.5-4) ...

       Dillweed# clock
-----> Fri Aug 23 01:21:12 1996
       Dillweed# 

Please look into this...
  -Erik


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danny@maxwell.ucsf.EDU writes:
> I recently installed Debian 1.1, including termcap.compat.  Since then
> I've installed a custom version of the kernel (2.0.7) successfully, so
> I figure that gcc is reasonably well set up.
> 
> However, I tried to compile kermit 5A(190) and the make failed,
> complaining that it couldn't find -ltermcap.

The Debian termcap package is only intended for run-time use to allow
old and non-Debian programs compiled with termcap to work.  Any new
programs should be compiled with ncurses.

> There is definitely a file of the form /lib/libtermcap.so.?, but I
> guess gcc is looking for a *.a file.
> 
> How should I go about fixing this?

You should convert the source and/or Makefile to use ncurses.

David
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On 23 Aug 1996, Ed Donovan wrote:

> Rick Macdonald <rickm@vsl.com> writes:
> > 
> > For emacs users, my deb-view feature is just what you need to look at
> > doc files in a .deb file without installing _or_ unpacking the archive!
> > 
> > http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~macdonal/deb-view.el
> 
> Ditto.  Some of these dpkg docs are html; if you have w3, when you
> deb-view one of these docs you can 'w3-preview-this buffer' to display
> it right.  It can't follow the links (hmm...that'd have to be pretty
> abstract) so view each file separately, if that's comfy for you.  

I realized this last night, and added support for W3 into deb-view. I'm
going to add INFO support as well, then I'll announce the update. I
guess neither mode will be able to follow links, but it's still
very useful.

...RickM...


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From: "Carlo U. Segre" <segre@charlie.cns.iit.edu>
> Alternatively, boot the system from a floppy and make the second 
> partition the active one.  This will then boot LILO properly without 
> having to write to the MBR.  It works...

I don't think that will work because he wrote LILO on the MBR.

	Bruce


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Adam Heath writes:
> 
> > 
> This is all nice and good, but there is a better way.
> 

[bad way deleted]

There is a reason that that /etc/securetty does not contain the pseudo
terminals in the first place.  It is very unsecure to allow root to
login directly anywahere except the console or possibly a computer
right next to the console.  Now, the above method is fine if your
computer is only part of your personal LAN that no one else has access
to and if your computer is never connect to the internet (unless you
disallow telnets with /etc/hosts.deny|allow).  There are mean people
who will try to hack your machine even during the 10 minutes that your
computer is on the internet via a PPP/SLIP dynamic IP account.  It
gets even more likely if you have any kind of permanent connection to
the world.  I would even not trust your collegues if you have a
moderatly large LAN where you are not the only user.

It's your choice, but...

Its saffer to log on as a normal user and su.

Erv

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In article <m0utx1z-000Pa6C@lappc-th4>,
Jean Orloff  <orloff@lapp.in2p3.fr> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:00:07 -0700, Ken Gaugler <keng@hybrid.com> said:
> Ken> At 10:33 AM 8/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >> Is there a digested version of this mailing list?...
> Ken> Check out http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/ 
>NOPE! Precisely! Those stop on June 24. Any follow-up out there?

Not yet... the scripts I used to generate the mbox format archives on
the FTP site, from which the webbified version is generated, were lost
in a disk crash. As I'm finishing my master's thesis, I haven't found
time yet to reconstruct them. (Hopefully, I'll reconstruct them in
September).

Greetings,
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"David J. Evans" <d.j.evans@reading.ac.uk> writes:
| 
| My recent ftp debian 1.1 installation was a great success, 
| except that I appear to have deleted a package needed for 
| further ftp installations using dselect ....

You need to reinstall "dpkg-ftp".

|                                              I don't know 
| where I went wrong, but was trying to save some disk space 
| and probably pressed a - when I should have selected an =.

You did nothing wrong: when I installed Debian 1.1.5, I noticed that
the "dpkg-ftp" had been *automatically* deselected, and I had to
manually fix that.  I just forgot to file a bug report about it.

Kevin <buhr@stat.wisc.edu>

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Download the staroffice package into some directory and put the following
script there. Run it as superuser and Staroffice will install without
Motif libraries:

starinst:
#!/bin/sh
# Prepare Star Office for Non Motif installation

mkdir temp
cd temp
# Extract Libraries needed for installation
unzip ../disk.01-1 libxp3so.0/libxp3.so
unzip ../disk.01-2 libso312.0/libso312.so libtools.1/libtools312.so
unzip ../disk.01-4 libsv312.1/libsv312.so
unzip ../disk.01-5 libsvt31.0/libsvt312.so

# Copy them over to /usr/local/lib
find . -type f -exec cp {} /usr/local/lib \;
cd ..
rm -rf temp

# Link Needed
ln -s libso312.so /usr/local/lib/libXm.so.2
ldconfig
# Make install executable if not yet
chmod a+x install

# Startup installation
exec ./install


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hiya all,
i've been useing archie for awhile and quite often i get this:

archie failed: Recvfrom failed (dirsend)

not sure what it means any ideas? thanx
-Rob

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Hello All:

It appears that there is a duplication of gs and gsfonts in the Debian 
tree.  The 2.62-2 versions of both packages appear in the 
/stable/binary/text and /unstable/binary/text directories but the 3.53-3 
version of gsfonts and the 4.0-1 version of gs appear in the 
/non-free/binary directory.  There is a problem with the latter item 
since gs version 4.0-1 requires the 4.0-1 version of gsfonts, which is 
not available.

When dselect finds this kind of arrangement it uses the highest version 
number and therefore tries to install the packages which are in the 
non-free part of the tree, with unfortunate results.  It might be a good 
idea to rename the packages to distinguish the normal copylefted versions in 
the stable and unstable directories from the versions in the non-free.  
This could be done in much the same way as for tk40 and tk41 and 
conflicts could be established so the two would not be loaded together.

Cheers,

Carlo



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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Luca Maranzano wrote:

> Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > > I've tryed to e2fsck /dev/hdc2 (thinking that device 16:02 corresponds
> > > to /dev/hdc2) and it found a lot of errors, but it seemed that e2fsck
> > > was able to correct them all; after rebooting similar messages appeared
> > > again after some hours.
> > 
> > > Any clue about this? 
> > 
> > Any random core dumps? This is going to sound stupid, but check for bad RAM.
> > Any bad block (I/O error) messages?
> 
> Not at all, I've recompiled several times the kernel (even under X) and
> all went fine, so I *think* it shouldn't be a RAM related issue. 
> 
> I've reformatted /dev/hdc2 yesterday with the -c option and all
> was good, and today the same message has appeared again, besides some
> files has been lost. How can I investigate further in the problem
> in your opinion?
> 

Luca:

I have had similar problems on a Triton 430FX motherboard.  The errors 
seemed to go away once I forced the IDE interface to use a more 
conservative setting than it would normally choose automatically.  I 
suspect that my problem was because one disk was older and less capable 
than the other disk.  The interface chose the MODE 3 of the more recent 
disk and since the 430FX chipset cannot handle different modes for two 
disks on the same interface, the second disk which should have been set 
to MODE 2 (and was detected as such by the BIOS) was causing problems.

As I said, this seems to have fixed the problems so far (I am keeping my 
fingers crossed!)

Carlo

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> > > XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
> > > XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH
> >
> > Do those XKeysymDB and XNLSPATH really provide something useful or have
> > you used them only because they are provided ?
> 
> The following info has been in the Netscape README file since at least
> version 1.12N. It used to say "SunOS 4.1, Linux, and BSDI:", but Linux was
> taken out of the title during the 3.0 beta releases. The cut and paste
> error certainly occured for me back with v1.1, and was fixed by installing
> the NLS stuff as indicated in the README. I haven't quoted the details of
> the NLS installation.

Actually, the XKeysymDB that comes with Linux is more advanced than the
one distributed with Netscape.  Thus, pointing the env var to the one
that comes with the netscape distribution is actually a detriment.

The "nls" problem is a bit different.  If not set properly, a paste into
one of the text fields will cause netscape to crash.  Again, the "nls"
that comes with linux is fine.  Netscape just needs to know where to
find it.  By default, it look under /usr/X386/lib/X11/nls instead of
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/nls.

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Douglas Bates writes:
> When using dselect to install several upgraded packages today I
> suddenly started receiving error messages from perl.  Here is part of
> the transcript.

This due to a packaging problem in ldso.  It will be fixed in a few
days.

David
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We were just given a Compaq Prosignia 4/66 with 40 MB RAM and a 1.05 GB
SCSI drive to user as a DB Server.  Our preference is to run it under
Linux.  However, it has a built-in SCSI controller.  So far we have
tried
Debian 1.1, 1.1.6, and all of the Debial 2.0.5 alternate boot disks with
no luck in detecting and working with the SCSI controller...

DOS does work on the system as did Novell 3.12.  The system arrived
without
documentation.  So far the email to Compaq asking for the SCSI
controller
equivalent has not been answered.

Any suggestions?  

TIA,

Dave


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> > /tmp
> > Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.  I have a 30MB /
> > partition, and only about 10MB space free on /tmp.   This didn't work very
> > well while trying to restore a 50MB file from taper.  (I've now mounted
> > 100MB on /tmp to avoid the problem.)
> 
> I've got several machines that install with an absurdly small root or
> /tmp partition.  What I usually to is blow away /tmp, and replace it
> with a link to /usr/tmp or /var/tmp depending on the machine.

Be careful with this...  /tmp is cleaned during system bootup while /var/tmp
is not.  Setting this link could cause /var/tmp to be cleaned at bootup,
possibly erasing files that should not have been.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 Lazaro.Salem@rf.no wrote:

> Reposting message with slight modifications as I haven't got any answer yet.
> -----
> Hi, 
> 
> Some files under /var and /usr are normally owned by root:systemgroup 
> were the string systemgroup above can be root, staff, adm , mail, news ...etc
> 
> Q: Will the bootup break something if the ownership of /var/... are set to 
> root:root instead? 

In a word, yes, or alternately, you will leave gapping security holes.
If you have a friend with a working linux box, ask him to
do a find / -ls > trashfile, and mail you the results.
You can then construct a script that reads this file, and executes
chmod/chown as appropriate.

Alternately, start over with a clean root file system.


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Hi,

	Actually, some of the delay is there by design ;-).  You see,
 if a flurry of messages comes in (like, when one runs popclient),
 then we don't want to spawn as many copies of mailagent as there are
 messages (well, perl is a rather large binary). What is done is that
 a number of copies of the c filter (very small footprint,
 comparatively) are run, and they all synchronize with each other (for
 example for writing to the log file), but only one mailagent will be
 started (maybe after all the messages are read); this lone copy of
 the mailagent then works on all the messages and filters them
 appropiately.  This is a feature, folks.

	Oh, and this message is, I guess, au revoir, for the
 nonce. I'll talk to you guys from my new machine, I guess, some time
 mid sept. 

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David,

(Original message quoted below.)

I asked around and got two suggestions:

1) If it's an EISA machine, use the EISA config to find out more about
   the controller.  In particular, you want to know if there is an
   "emulation" mode.  If so, you may want to play with this to see if
   there is a Linux driver for either the emulated or non-emulated
   controller.

2) Check their web site for software that will let you view the
   configuration.  I took a look at the web site.  From your
   description I *guessed* that you have a Prosignia VS.  The docs say
   only that it's a 32-bit integrated controller.  (Helpful, arent'
   they?)

I hope that's some help.

Chris -)-----

On Aug 23, 12:45pm, David Power wrote:
> Subject: Debian on a Compaq Prosignia 4/66
: We were just given a Compaq Prosignia 4/66 with 40 MB RAM and a 1.05
: GB SCSI drive to user as a DB Server.  Our preference is to run it
: under Linux.  However, it has a built-in SCSI controller.  So far we
: have tried Debian 1.1, 1.1.6, and all of the Debial 2.0.5 alternate
: boot disks with no luck in detecting and working with the SCSI
: controller...
:
: DOS does work on the system as did Novell 3.12.  The system arrived
: without documentation.  So far the email to Compaq asking for the
: SCSI controller equivalent has not been answered.
>-- End of excerpt from David Power



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Hi everbody!

I've just uploaded anacron_1.0-1 to the master server.
Note that I changed to name from `pe' to `anacron' which sounds better
(I think ;-).

If you downloaded the beta from the URL I posted here, I would suggest
that you install anacron, move your old configuration /etc/petab over the
new /etc/anacrontab and move all spool files from /var/lib/pe/* to
/var/spool/anacron/*. Then you should remove the old version with purge:
	dpkg --purge pe

For those who are intrested, here is an extrait from the readme:

------------
This is anacron (like `anac(h)ronistic') -- a cron-like program
that doesn't go by time.

It is useful for jobs, that don't have to run at a certain time, but
in a certain period. (That's why anacron was called `pe', periodic
execution, before.)

By not specifying a certain time when a job has to be executed
it is possible to use anacron on systems that don't run continously
but are powered on at different times every day.
------------


Cheers,

Chris

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I didn't see this in the faq or recent archives of debian-user.  Is s/key
and shadow password support built in to Debian 1.1?

Thanks
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[regarding chronic filesystem errors]

About the only additional thing I can suggest is upgrading your kernel
(we are now at 2.0.13, I think) and watching to see if the problem goes
away.

	Bruce


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The submission address did change, to submit@bugs.debian.org .

	Bruce


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From: Bertrand Leconte <Bertrand.Leconte@netfr.alcatel.fr>
> As my boot disk is on a ncr53c810 board, I need a special kernel,

Write to Susan <sgk@tiac.net>, she can send you a special kernel.

	Bruce


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>
>Actually, either of the above tips by themselves may fix the problem as I
>think they are essentially doing the same thing.
>
>For what it's worth, this is how I set up masquerading on my machine, but
>I know there are several ways to do it.  The way you are doing it sounds
>like it is working.
>
>  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -S 192.168.100.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
>Good luck,
>
>Gerry
>gerry@optimed.com

Gerry (and all the other respondents too)

Thanks!
You all are saying pretty much the same thing and it sounds like I was
really looking at or misinterpreting what I was seeing from tcpdump.  I
think the idea that I should have been using a 3rd machine to do that 
may be key here.  And Gerry, the command line above is one I had seen in
a previous post either here (maybe it was you then too) or some other 
Linux list and that is what I tried originally, in fact.  However, as 
your line is constructed its saying that masquerade is a "policy" and the
man page for ipfwadm (on Debian 1.1) doesn't mention that being a valid
policy (is the page not current perhaps)?  Anyway, I think, with the help
of the Debian list, that if I don't have it right now, the info you've
provided will help me get it right.

Thanks all!
Paul
 


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I tried copying the /etc/passwd file from a Sun workstation to a Linux
machine in order to create common user accounts.  

Linux, however would not decrypt the Sun passwords when correctly
entered.  Thei technique works fine between Solaris and Sun Unix.

Does Linux use a different encryption algorithm than Sun?  (obviously it
is different) Is there any Sun compatability login software for Linux
that would allow me to use a common password database between the two
systems?

Jim


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Has anyone had expereince with setting up debian on a headless meachine?
I've run into one strange problem since I pulled the monitor, mouse, and
keyboard off a computer here last night. When it boots up, it symlinks
/dev/console -> /dev/console. I haven't been able to track down what
script is doing this -- does anyone know, and is this a known problem?
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Jim Worthington (jworthington@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: I tried copying the /etc/passwd file from a Sun workstation to a Linux
: machine in order to create common user accounts.  
Use NIS. Copying /etc/passwd can cause a lot of problems keeping it up to date.

: 
: Linux, however would not decrypt the Sun passwords when correctly
: entered.  Thei technique works fine between Solaris and Sun Unix.
: 
: Does Linux use a different encryption algorithm than Sun?  (obviously it
: is different) Is there any Sun compatability login software for Linux
: that would allow me to use a common password database between the two
: systems?
NIS is available on both systems and will allow the Linux box to use the
passwd etc contents on the sun.

: 
: Jim
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The shadow packages are just recently uploaded into the "unstable" directory
of our FTP archives. They are little tested, and I'm not sure that everything
has been shadow-ified that must be ("xdm" may be one of the programs yet to be
converted). You can try it now if you like to live dangerously. This will be
stable by the time we make the 1.2 release.

We are looking at PAM for the future, as that would allow us to support
multiple authentication methods.

	Bruce


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From: Joey Hess <joey@kite.preferred.com>
> Has anyone had expereince with setting up debian on a headless meachine?
> I've run into one strange problem since I pulled the monitor, mouse, and
> keyboard off a computer here last night. When it boots up, it symlinks
> /dev/console -> /dev/console. I haven't been able to track down what
> script is doing this -- does anyone know, and is this a known problem?

/etc/init.d/console, /etc/rc.boot/0kbd . Look at /etc/config/console and
/etc/config/kbd .

	Bruce


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> /etc/init.d/console, /etc/rc.boot/0kbd . Look at /etc/config/console and
> /etc/config/kbd .

Hmm.. I seem to be lacking an /etc/config/ directory. I'm running
debian 1.1.6, what package have I neglected to install?

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I need someone to write a shell script using dialog that guides a user through
setting up a PPP or SLIP connection. The tool set used must be limited to the
tools in the base floppies. These are the "ash" shell (like Bash, but small),
the "dialog" program, the "chat" program for making the connection, and either
"pppd" or "slattach" for maintaining the connection, and the "ifconfig" and
"route" programs. The "dip" program will not be used for slip because "chat"
and "slattach" can do the same job in less space, and more simply. Shell tools
like "sed" can be used.

The program should allow the user to enter phone number, login handshake,
type of authentication for ppp, etc. It should make the call, and if the
configuration gets made it should save the session as a shell script for
later invocation by "diald" and such things.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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When I try to view a manual page that's located in /usr/local/man,
man says it's updating a local index, then gives a segmentation fault.
Any ideas on how to fix this?


thanks
hamish


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David Engel writes:
-> danny@maxwell.ucsf.EDU writes:
-> > I recently installed Debian 1.1, including termcap.compat.  Since then
-> > I've installed a custom version of the kernel (2.0.7) successfully, so
-> > I figure that gcc is reasonably well set up.
-> > 
-> > However, I tried to compile kermit 5A(190) and the make failed,
-> > complaining that it couldn't find -ltermcap.
-> 
-> The Debian termcap package is only intended for run-time use to allow
-> old and non-Debian programs compiled with termcap to work.  Any new
-> programs should be compiled with ncurses.

This is not necessarily always possible. The one case I know about is
when a program uses "varargs" instead of the newere, ANSI-standard
"stdarg".  Since the ncurses headers include stdarg, any program which
uses varargs (nn is the example I can think of offhand) will not work
with ncurses.

Although, I agree that when possible ncurses' termcap emulation should
be used, since the old termcap/curses libraries are considered
somewhat obsolete.

-> > There is definitely a file of the form /lib/libtermcap.so.?, but I
-> > guess gcc is looking for a *.a file.
-> > 
-> > How should I go about fixing this?
-> 
-> You should convert the source and/or Makefile to use ncurses.

Or, if that's not possible, make a symbolic link in /lib libtermcap.so
-> libtermcap.2.0.8

-Larry

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Same problem here.
Hamish Moffatt (moffatt@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote:
: 
: When I try to view a manual page that's located in /usr/local/man,
: man says it's updating a local index, then gives a segmentation fault.
: Any ideas on how to fix this?
: 
: 
: thanks
: hamish
: 


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-> The Debian termcap package is only intended for run-time use to allow
-> old and non-Debian programs compiled with termcap to work.  Any new
-> programs should be compiled with ncurses.

From: "Larry 'Daffy' Daffner" <vizzie@pinky.mimosa.org>
> This is not necessarily always possible. The one case I know about is
> when a program uses "varargs" instead of the newere, ANSI-standard
> "stdarg".

There is no varargs.h in libc5-dev_5.2.18-9 . Maybe older versions
contain it. Porting a program from varargs to stdarg is extra-trivial,
and I don't know why it would not have been done for any software but
the most dusty decks by now.

Please do not link libtermcap with any new software. It is there only for
run-time compatibility with software built on other Linux distributions.
It is definitely not supported for software development.

	Thanks

	Bruce Perens
	Debian Project Leader


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Sorry for the late awsner.

> Hakan Ardo writes:
> > 
> > I'm trying to use lyx, and it works fine untill it invokes latex. Then it 
> > seems to be using some fonts that I have not installed. Where can I find thos
> e 
> > fonts (listed below)? Acording to /usr/doc/lyx/debian.README.gz, ther should 
> > also excist "* several manpages", of which I can find non. I am using the 
> 
> Sorry, there's only one: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/lyx.1.gz.

Even taht one is missing...

> 
> > MakeTeXTFM dcr1000.tfm 
> > ...
> 
> What Latex installation do you have? I assume you're using mfbasfnt >1.0-4.

Well, I am using mfbasfnt 1.0-3. Because 1.0-4 is in the unstable distrobutinge,
and I thought that with unstable you ment not yet usable. But I am getting the
feeling that the packages in there is perfectly OK to use. What is the general
feeling about them? Do you allow dselect to update your packages as soon as a
new version shows up in unstable, or how carefull do I have to be with them?

> If so the missing dc fonts are not suprising. They aren't in mfbasfmt
> anymore but are seperately packaged in mfdcfnt, which unfortunately is
> non-free.

I can find no mfdcfnt package. I should be freely downloadable even if it is
in the non-free distrobution, right?


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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:14:10 PDT Philippe Troin (phil) wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:23:16 EDT renald loignon (rhl@CAM.ORG) wrote:
> 
> > Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
> > following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
> > overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
> > and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
> > me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.
> [mail copy snipped]
> 
> I've browsed through the web page, and this just looks sensible to me.
> The question is: why isn't this part of standard kernel ?

I've been trying it for over 24 hours, and I must say I'm quite impressed.
PPP  performance has really increased. It is streaming for long periods without
interruption. And no kernel Ooops or no problems.
Seemingly no problems...
Can anyone confirm these subjective enhancements ? I mean my PPP connection
might just be better by other means...

Phil.



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Bruce Perens writes ("Dpkg feature request"):
...
> Thus, I'll ask Ian Jackson. How about three flags to dpkg?
> 	--select package-name [package-name ...]
> 		Selects a list of packages for later installation.
> 	--deselect package-name [package-name ...]
> 		De-selects a list of packages for later removal.
> 	--list-selected
> 		Lists selected packages in a way suitable for inclusion in a list
> 		passed to --select.
> There may well be flags to do this now, but I've missed them.
> This would allow you to set up the selections via a shell script or something,
> and then start dselect to fine-tune what you have selected.

I've implemented --get-selections and --set-selections in dpkg 1.3.9
which will be released some time this weekend.

--get-selections produces a list of lines each with a package name and
wanted state.  By default it lists all the packages; you can specify
package names or patterns too.

--set-selections reads such a list and updates the wanted state for
each one in it.

You can do what `dpkg --select <package>' would do with
`echo <package> install | dpkg --set-selections'.

Ian.


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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

> 
> When I try to view a manual page that's located in /usr/local/man,
> man says it's updating a local index, then gives a segmentation fault.
> Any ideas on how to fix this?
> 
Need more information to be of any help.
What version of man are you using? What shell and it's version? 
Such problems in the past have been caused by a corupted index file. Try:
mandb /usr/local/man and see if that helps.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I am having difficulty getting the xconsole to work running in
fvwm 9or any window manager).  I use a .xsession file in my home
directory.  Here is that file:

----------------- begin .xsession file -------------
#!/bin/bash

#Add to path
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/lib/X11:/usr/contrib/mh/bin:/usr/contrib/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
export PATH

DISPLAY=:0.0
export DISPLAY

#Merge in user resources:
#xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xresources

#start Applications
xterm -g 95x40-40+200 -sb &
xterm -g 95x40-700+10 -sb &
xconsole -exitOnFail -g 490x200-20-50 &
xclock &
xcal &
#xmh   -g 750x545+5+400 &
#exmh &

#start fishtank
#xfishtank &

#start window manager
exec fvwm2 &


#start controlling proc
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -iconify -rv -title root -name "root" -g +5+1 
-------------------------- end .xsession file -------------

At first I did not have the "exitOnFail" in the xconsole line,
and I would get an xconsole window that said
  "Couldn't open console".
With the "exitOnFail", I just get no window at all.

I created a test user account, and didn't put a .xsession file
in its home directory.  The xconsole opens and works fine.

What is it about this xsession file that is trashing my xconsole?

Any ideas greatly appreciated!


-- 
Ken Gaugler  
email: keng@aimnet.com  URL: users.aimnet.com/~keng
"The life of a Repo Man is always INTENSE..."


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I have a lambdamoo .deb package set up. I don't know if there's any
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Hi,
I finaly found some time to take a second look at my LILO trouble. Thanx for
all your suggestions they have taken me one more step along the way. First 
of all the Geometry settings was the same in the BIOS as linux reported. 

> I made the same mistake that Joshua and Hakan made.  The READMEFIRST file
> in /usr/doc/lilo gives two possible fixes:
> 
>  - In linux you can remove lilo from the master boot record with:
> 	lilo -U
> 
>  - In MSDOS you can remove lilo by:
> 	fdisk /mbr
> 
> The lilo -U fix did not work for me since I had already re-partitioned.
> fdisk /mbr was successful.

The same goes for me. I successfully uninstalled lilo with fdisk /mbr, but
when I reinstalled it I was back where I started. But now at least I can boot
my system in msdos mode and the turn to linux with loadlin, and I can live 
with that setup, even if I found LILO interface smooter. And thanx again for
all your grate support. Thanx to you I once again have a usable system.

> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Joshua Stockwell wrote:
> 
> >
> > I had this exact same setup. Slackware on the slave disk and msdos on
> > the other master disk. And I just recently upgraded to Debian and ran
> > into the exact same problem. Silly me to forget to uninstall lilo
> > first!  The reason your boot is hanging is that it is looking for the
> > old lilo that doesnt't exist anymore. You need to re-install lilo.  If
> > your lilo.conf is setup right just type "lilo" and it should re-write
> > the MBR so you'll be able to boot normally. Lilo should be on your
> > linux partition, not your dos partition. Good luck!
> >
> > 	- Josh Stockwell
> >
> >  Hakan wrote:
> > >>> I have a 486 on which I untill recently had MSDos and Slackware installed
>  on
> > >>> two diffrent harddisks, with LILO installed in the master boot block of t
> he
> > >>> msdos harddisk allowing me to select between the two operating systems. T
> his
> > >>> worked just fine.
> >
> > >>> Now, I decided to convert into Debian (I just love it's package system), 
> so I
> > >>> through out the Slackware stuff and installed the three disks base system
> . I
> > >>> had to install LILO by hand because the instalation package tried to inst
> all
> > >>> it on the linx partion, which is the second partion on the secon harddisk
> > >>> (/dev/hdb2). I placed it on (/dev/hda). Then I rebootet. Then insted of t
> he
> > >>> LILO text that is supposed to show up when LILO loads I only got "L" foll
> owd
> > >>> by "04" repeated in what seemsed to infinity.
> >
> > >>> I have tried bothe my old Slackware lilo configuration file, the new crea
> ted
> > >>> by Debian. I have tried both the lilo version that came with Debian and t
> he
> > >>> old one used by Slackware. I have tried having both the MSDos hd and the 
> Linux
> > >>> HD as the first HD. And Gud knows what else, but the result is just the s
> ame.
> > >>> What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > >>> I have temporarity solved the problem by using a MSDos boot disk with a m
> enu
> > >>> that allows me to either run the startup files from my HD after load MSDO
> S
> > >>> from the floppy, or execute loadlin to load a linux kernerel from my msdo
> s HD
> > >>> and mount the root system. And this works acceptable. But it is not a dec
> ent
> > >>> solution. And since LILO worked with Slackware, I see no reason for it no
> t to
> > >>> work with Debian. Any sugestions will be appricialed. Thanx.
> >
> >
> >
> 


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Ervin D. Walter writes ("gs 3.53 and up"):
...
> Now, the wierd parts.  First, these errors don't occur every time, and
> they don't occur in the same place every time.  Second, the exact save
> .ps file sent through gs 2.whatever or gs >= 3.53 *compiled with
> optimizations turned off* works perfectly.
...

A new GCC was released by the FSF recently.  One of the reasons they
gave was that it could miscompile ghostscript.  ITYSBT.

Ian.


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As a new Debian user who migrated from Slackware, one of the
few things I find a comparative disadvantage is being dropped
back to earlier releases of certain programs.  I spend close
to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
is several months out of date.

The last thing I want to do is to pester a volunteer who is
freely donating time to hurry up with a new package.  On
the other hand, it would seem that keeping up with new releases
should be part of the maintainer's responsibility.  What is the
etiquette on requesting or inquiring about package updates, if
any?

And in the meantime, I assume it would be best to remove the two
packages in question and put binaries of the newer versions in
/usr/local/bin, rather than to just replace the installed
binaries in /usr/bin?


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Dale Scheetz (dwarf@polaris.net) wrote:
: On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
: 
: > 
: > When I try to view a manual page that's located in /usr/local/man,
: > man says it's updating a local index, then gives a segmentation fault.
: > Any ideas on how to fix this?
: > 
: Need more information to be of any help.
: What version of man are you using? What shell and it's version? 
: Such problems in the past have been caused by a corupted index file. Try:
: mandb /usr/local/man and see if that helps.
waterf:/usr/local# mandb /usr/local/man
Processing manual pages under /usr/local/man...
Checking for stray cats under /usr/local/man...
Checking for stray cats under /var/catman/local...
0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
0 manual pages and 0 stray cats were added.
waterf:/usr/local# man -kr xx
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
waterf:/usr/local# dpkg -s man
Package: man
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: doc
Maintainer: Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
Version: 2.3.10-11
Depends: groff, libc5, libgdbm1
Description: Display the on-line manual.
 This packages provides the man command, this utility is the primary
 way of examining the on-line help files (manual pages). Other utilities
 provided include the whatis and apropos commands for searching the
 manual page database; the manpath utility for determining the manual
 page search path and the maintenance utilities mandb, catman and
 zsoelim. This packages uses the groff suit of programs to format and
 display the manual pages.

waterf:/usr/local# 

Hope that is enough....


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Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> This must be a bug.
> 
>         Bruce


Can anybody verify this?

Also I get the following message when trying to run crack ver 4.1:

 Crack v4.1f: The Password Cracker, (c) Alec D.E. Muffett, 1992

 Version of crypt() being used internally is not compatible with
 standard.

Has anybody successfully been able to run crack on Debian Linux 1.1?

Jim



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From: Hakan Ardo <hakan@munin.ub2.lu.se>
> Well, I am using mfbasfnt 1.0-3. Because 1.0-4 is in the unstable
> distribution and I thought that with unstable you ment not yet usable.
> But I am getting the feeling that the packages in there is perfectly OK
> to use.

They are there for people to test before 1.2 comes out.
If you do backups regularly and you won't be inconvenienced
if they break, go ahead and test them. Please report any bugs
you find. In most cases, if they are horribly broken you can
uninstall them and re-install an older version. However, bugs
can be _really_bad_ sometimes, so think about what you have to
lose.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: Ian Jackson <ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk>
> I've implemented --get-selections and --set-selections in dpkg 1.3.9
> which will be released some time this weekend.
> 
> --get-selections produces a list of lines each with a package name and
> wanted state.  By default it lists all the packages; you can specify
> package names or patterns too.
> 
> --set-selections reads such a list and updates the wanted state for
> each one in it.
> 
> You can do what `dpkg --select <package>' would do with
> `echo <package> install | dpkg --set-selections'.

Thanks! This is all we need for a "broad category" tool that would allow
us to select, for example "development system". That sounds like another
good project for a shell hacker.

	Bruce


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I seem to be having a problem with inewsinn.  I compiled nn locally
and set it up to use inews (from the inewsinn package) to post the
article.  However, when inews goes to send the article, it creates
large amounts of traffic over my serial link.  I would assume it's
trying to get the active or newsgroups file from my NNTP server.  Is
this normal, and if so, is there some way to configure or set up
things so that it won't try to do this?

-Larry

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Hakan Ardo writes:
> > Sorry, there's only one: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/lyx.1.gz.
> 
> Even taht one is missing...

Hmm, I have it. :-)

Try reinstalling the package.

> Well, I am using mfbasfnt 1.0-3. Because 1.0-4 is in the unstable distrobutinge,
> and I thought that with unstable you ment not yet usable. But I am getting the

No. :-)

> feeling that the packages in there is perfectly OK to use. What is the general
> feeling about them? Do you allow dselect to update your packages as soon as a
> new version shows up in unstable, or how carefull do I have to be with them?

I usually use dftp so I don't know. :-)

Normally they work very well. If not there'll be another release pretty
soon.

> I can find no mfdcfnt package. I should be freely downloadable even if it is
> in the non-free distrobution, right?

Right. But maybe it wasn't on the mirror yet.

Michael

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> As a new Debian user who migrated from Slackware, one of the
> few things I find a comparative disadvantage is being dropped
> back to earlier releases of certain programs.  I spend close
> to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
> a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
> is several months out of date.

Which editor and browser are you talking about?  Are you looking
at the "stable" or the "development" directory tree?

I maintain the "netscape" package and it is right up to date.
You have to look at the development tree to see it, though.  (Well,
it _will_ be up-to-date as soon as it gets moved out of Incoming.)


> The last thing I want to do is to pester a volunteer who is
> freely donating time to hurry up with a new package.  On
> the other hand, it would seem that keeping up with new releases
> should be part of the maintainer's responsibility.  What is the
> etiquette on requesting or inquiring about package updates, if
> any?

Personally, I'm more than happy to receive a short, polite note
telling me that a later version of Netscape has been released.


> And in the meantime, I assume it would be best to remove the two
> packages in question and put binaries of the newer versions in
> /usr/local/bin, rather than to just replace the installed
> binaries in /usr/bin?

I believe so, yes.

                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

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From: gram@merece.uthscsa.edu (Gilbert Ramirez Jr.)
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As Jim Worthington said:
> 
> Also I get the following message when trying to run crack ver 4.1:
> 
>  Crack v4.1f: The Password Cracker, (c) Alec D.E. Muffett, 1992
> 
>  Version of crypt() being used internally is not compatible with
>  standard.
> 
> Has anybody successfully been able to run crack on Debian Linux 1.1?
> 
> Jim
> 

Randy Gobbel and I are looking at Crack right now on Linux (kernel 2.0.12).

If you make FCRYPT equal to null in Sources/Makefile, and possibly remove
references to FCRYPT, you can successfully compile and run Crack. To me it
seems like the Makefile is configure to either use fcrypt or UFC, but not a
standard crypt. This is because most standard crypts are SLOW. But the
Linux crypt is very fast. Change the Makefile like so:


FCRYPT=


However.....

Using the default -O optimization makes Crack stop when it begins applying
the rules that append numeric digits to the end of a word (near the end of
dict.rules).  Randy's mahcine (586) freezes, while mine (486) merely dumps
core.

If you replace -O with -g, in an attempt to run gdb on it, Crack runs fine
all the way through the end of the rules. But, when Crack is about to write
the final information to file, it messes up again. On Randy's machine,
inodes get messed up. On mine, the file is written to disk, but under a
garbage name.... 250+ characters of random punctuation and control
characters. I did not count the number of characters... 256 would be an
interesting number.

Randy & I aren't sure what's causing the problem. Any help at all would be
appreciated. There are 3 places I see that could contian a bug:

1) Crack
2) libc
3) the kernel

This is my first time running Crack, so I don't know if it ran well before
on 1.2.x kernels, or on other Unices.

libc might be at fault, because of the weird disk events that happen when
Crack finishes.

Or the kernel might be at fault... my Crack (!) dumps core, but Randy's
machine totally freezes.

If anyone would like to compile Crack and help in our effort to find the
bug, you can get the sources at http://www.deter.com , in one of the
sub-pages.

Thanks!

--gilbert

______________________________________________________________________
Gilbert Ramirez Jr.                     gram@merece.uthscsa.edu
University of Texas                     http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
Health Science Center at San Antonio    University Health System


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I've been having a few problems lately:

1. After I recompiled the kernel, NAS loads fine at boot,
but auplay et all tell me that they can't connect to audio server.
Can anybody help??

2. I can't get diald to work. Pppd works fine, but diald disconnects
from my ISP as soon as I get connected. I have a feeling that
this has to do with the diald options file, and possibly the pppd
options file. Any tips?

3. Lacking knowledge of the XPM format, I need to know how to
make transparent pixmap backgrounds (for icons). I can't get xpaint
or pixmap to do this. Anyone know how??

Thanx for your time...:-)


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Hi,

Can someone point me to info for the quickest, easiest way to use procmail
with Emacs RMAIL to separate, say, the debian list into a separate folder?
I normally have no problem putting hours into something like this, but lately
I'm incredibly busy and there seems to have been loads of traffic on debian
recently, so that I'd really like to get it working as quickly as possible.

Thanks in advance,
Steve


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Brian C. White writes:
>
>> I spend close
>> to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
>> a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
>> is several months out of date.
>
>Which editor and browser are you talking about?  Are you looking
>at the "stable" or the "development" directory tree?
>
>I maintain the "netscape" package and it is right up to date.

I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.

No more clues.  :)


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I've updated deb-view.el to handle viewing html files with w3-mode.

w3 can be found via anonymous ftp to ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/elisp/w3.
For use within deb-view, I didn't need to install the "extras" or
"icons" that w3 recommends.

I had considered something special for INFO files, but info files are
pretty well readable as-is so it wasn't worth the effort.

Here is a shortened version of my original announcement:

I've written a tool for emacs that allows one to browse deb files.
It's nice to peek at a package file and read the doc, man pages,
html files, install scripts, file list, etc, without installing it first.
You can even copy files out of a deb archive if you want to!

Why emacs? Because most of the smarts to do this stuff was already in
emacs. I just gathered it together in a simple but clever way for Debian
users!  ;-)  Emacs users will recognize "tar-mode", the emacs feature
that that I'm exploiting.

You can get the latest deb-view.el from here:

http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~macdonal/deb-view.el

Sorry, I don't have anonymous ftp for you. The file is about 13KB.
If you can't get at it, I can email it to you.

-- 
...RickM...



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Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote:
> 
> As Jim Worthington said:
> >
> > Has anybody successfully been able to run crack on Debian Linux 1.1?

> 
> Randy Gobbel and I are looking at Crack right now on Linux (kernel 2.0.12).
> 
> If you make FCRYPT equal to null in Sources/Makefile, and possibly remove
> references to FCRYPT, you can successfully compile and run Crack. To me it
> seems like the Makefile is configure to either use fcrypt or UFC, but not a
> standard crypt. This is because most standard crypts are SLOW. But the
> Linux crypt is very fast. Change the Makefile like so:
> 
> FCRYPT=

Gilbert,

I've tried UFC CRYPT in addition to FCRYPT with equally un-successful
results.  The use of standard crypt makes sense as you suggest, however,
I believe that the crypt which is distributed with Debian 1.1 is broken,
or at least incompatable with the standard Unix crypt algorithm. 
Whether this is a bug or a security enhancement is unknown.

I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
login.  Since the passwd file that I'm trying to test is not native to
Debian Linux, the native Debian crypt algorithm won't be much use in
it's incompatible state.

I do get some warning messages when crack is invoked.  Perhaps this is
related to why it won't run:   Any Ideas?

bytesex.c: In function `main':
bytesex.c:19: warning: left shift count >= width of type
crack-pwc.c: In function `TryManyUsers':
crack-pwc.c:556: warning: passing arg 2 of `strcpy' makes pointer from
integer without a cast
crack-pwc.c: In function `TryOneUser':
crack-pwc.c:598: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcmp' makes pointer from
integer without a cast
crack-pwc.c: In function `main':
crack-pwc.c:1094: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcmp' makes pointer from
integer without a cast

The version of crack that I am using is 4.1f.  I thought that somebody
on this list made reference to version 4.5 about a week ago.  Do you
know what the most recent version is and where it can be obtained?

Jim  <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>



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i loged on for the first time in 2 weeks and i had 405 messages!!!!!!!!!!
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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:21:57 +0200 Miro Torrielli (mtorr@worldnet.fr
) wrote:

> I've been having a few problems lately:
> 
> 2. I can't get diald to work. Pppd works fine, but diald disconnects
> from my ISP as soon as I get connected. I have a feeling that
> this has to do with the diald options file, and possibly the pppd
> options file. Any tips?

Have you got the standard configuration ?
What does the logs (/var/log/messages & /var/log/daemon.log) say ?

> 3. Lacking knowledge of the XPM format, I need to know how to
> make transparent pixmap backgrounds (for icons). I can't get xpaint
> or pixmap to do this. Anyone know how??

Edit the file by hand, and change the background color specification from
its color code (#07070808AAAA for example) or name to `none'.
I don't know about a graphics program which can do it automatically yet...

Phil.



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Hi Miro --

(I'm not sure of these answers, but see if any of them help.)

You asked:
> 1. After I recompiled the kernel, NAS loads fine at boot,
> but auplay et all tell me that they can't connect to audio server.
> Can anybody help??

I think that the error here may be that the kernel provided with 2.0.6 uses
a non-standard IRQ (namely, 7) for sound boards.  If you recompile a kernel,
and use IRQ=5 for your sound board (which is what most of them really use),
then you might get NAS to work.  Alternatively, some people have reported
that they get sound to work if they use kernel 2.0.0, but I don't know
exactly what that works for them.


> 2. I can't get diald to work. Pppd works fine, but diald disconnects
> from my ISP as soon as I get connected. I have a feeling that
> this has to do with the diald options file, and possibly the pppd
> options file. Any tips?

Mark Warburton solved his problems by "turning off all the 
modem-related options in the ppp config file".

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joonwoo Nam reported that adding 'connect-timeout' as an option 
solved his problem.  He gave this /usr/sbin/ppp-up script:
  /usr/sbin/ppp-up
  ----------------
  #!/bin/sh

  /bin/setserial /dev/cua1 spd_hi
  /usr/sbin/diald /dev/cua1 -m ppp local 127.0.0.3 \
  remote 127.0.0.2 \
  defaultroute modem crtscts dynamic connect-timeout 180 \
  connect '/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/chat-ppp' \
  fifo /var/adm/diald.ctl

  Adding the following entry at the end of /etc/diald.conf
  also helped me out making the line keep up contiguously:

  restrict * * * * *
  up

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> 3. Lacking knowledge of the XPM format, I need to know how to
> make transparent pixmap backgrounds (for icons). I can't get xpaint
> or pixmap to do this. Anyone know how??

(Perhaps klutsy, but practical answer:)
Convert the xpm file to a .gif (perhaps using xv from the non-free 
  distribution).
Then use giftrans to make the gif file transparent.


HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Philippe --

You wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:14:10 PDT Philippe Troin (phil) wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:23:16 EDT renald loignon (rhl@CAM.ORG) wrote:
> > 
> > > Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at th
e
> > > following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
> > > overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.
1.1
> > > and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which g
ive
> > > me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.
> > [mail copy snipped]
> > 
> > I've browsed through the web page, and this just looks sensible to me.
> > The question is: why isn't this part of standard kernel ?
> 
> I've been trying it for over 24 hours, and I must say I'm quite impressed.
> PPP  performance has really increased. It is streaming for long periods witho
ut
> interruption. And no kernel Ooops or no problems.
> Seemingly no problems...
> Can anyone confirm these subjective enhancements ? I mean my PPP connection
> might just be better by other means...
> 
> Phil.

I've had it going (on and off) for the last day also, and I also have
the sense (not quantified or rigorously tested) that it has finally
stopped all the billions of stalls I'd been getting.  I use a reasonably
fast "modem", i.e., a data-over-voice ISDN channel that talks through a
high-speed serial port at 56K.  It may be that my previous stall problems
were actually exaccerbated by using a higher-speed serial line (i.e.,
I must have been offering relatively more interrupts to the CPU than someone
with a slower modem).  

So I _really_ appreciate finding out about this utility.  THANKS!!!!!

Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Steve,

I use Gnus & sometimes VM, so I can't tell you a thing about Rmail,
except that you should point at the separate spool file that procmail
will create.  How to do this so that it doesn't just chuck it back in
with the rest of your mail, I don't know, though it may be easy.

My procmail settings are mostly cribbed from the "Mail Filtering FAQ",
which I found to be very useful.  Among other places:

http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html 

I just copied the setup it outlines, and use these lines to catch Debian
mail:

  :0:
  * ^TOdebian-user
  debian-user.spool

  :0:
  * ^TOdebian-changes
  debian-changes.spool

Procmail uses one of those stanzas for each filter.  The '.spool' suffix
is a Gnus default that I went along with.  Following the FAQ, I have
these in "~/.procmail/rc.maillists"--in a more vanilla setup they'd be
in "~/.procmailrc".

Hth,

-- 

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To: dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu (David Sewell)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT)
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> 
> 
> I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
> out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
> them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.
> 
> No more clues.  :)

Of course, being purposefully vague only serves to annoy us...  Which
would you rather see as a maintainer, a note saying that some package
that you may or may not maintain is behind, but they won't specify
which package, or a note that tells you that your package is behind
the upstream release?

You should probably send a message to "maintonly@bugs.debian.org" (I
-think- that's the address), with the line "Package: packagename" as
the first line in the message.  That will send a message only to the
maintainer of the package in question, without the rest of us seeing
it.

Of course, if the newer upstream version of the package fixes
important bugs, you might want to file a bug report on those bugs,
mentioning tha the newer version fixes them.  Or you could look
through the bug report archives listed by package, and submit a
comment on an existing bug if the upstream version fixes it.  If there
is a reason why the maintainer hasn't updated it (such as the newer
upstream version is still in beta and isn't an "official, public"
release, as is the case with libc5, which has a 5.3.x beta series in
development), then he/she will likely tell you.

Just some ideas, and no need to be purposefully vague.


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Hi Steve --

You asked:
>Can someone point me to info for the quickest, easiest way to use procmail
>with Emacs RMAIL to separate, say, the debian list into a separate folder?

Below I'm forwarding a big hint on this topic given by Dirk Eddelbuettel
to someone else a few weeks ago.  I found it quite helpful.

Regards,
Susan Kleinmann

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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:18 EDT
To: fols9488@uidaho.edu, Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: mail-delivery-agents? 
From: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca

Hi Lamar

I hope you don't mind that I put this back onto the list as other people
might wonder about this too.

  Lamar>  Hi, Dirk.  I seem to be having some trouble getting posts to the
  Lamar> debian-user list, so I'm mailing you directly.
  Lamar> 
  Lamar> You posted something about using procmail _and_ pop to sort your
  Lamar> mail.  I was wondering how you invoke procmail?  I, too, use
  Lamar> popclient to get my mail, and I'd _love_ to be able to have procmail
  Lamar> (or slocal or something) filter it for me.

It is all in the procmail manpages --- but as those are quite detailed it
hard to find as first sight. Note also that Debian procmail package has, as
many other packages, a lot of documentation in /usr/doc/<package> and 
/usr/doc/example/<package>.

1. I start popclient as (indented by a TAB for readability)
	popclient -s -3 -P ~/.file-with-password host.that.has.mail  
to get my mail to my local machine.

2. One needs a file ~/.forward of the following form
	"|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #edd"
where the end must  #<user-id>"  as a fallback strategy. This passes the mail
to the procmail program.

3. A file ~/.procmailrc describes the sorting rules. There are lots of
examples in the manpage, and the /usr/doc/examples/procmail directory. But as
a concrete example, here are some pieces. If it looks all to strange, than
it's probably time to review a Unix book with something on regular
expressions. I just show some entries as it is mostly repetitive

- ------------------------ ~/.procmailrc --------------------------------------
# edd 26.10.95	installed from adapted version from /usr/doc/examples/procmail

PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:.
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
# use `usual' default and not this one:  DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mail.in
LOGABSTRACT=all
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/log/procmail

:0:				# mail To or CC ctan-ann
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*ctan-ann@(shsu.edu|RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE)
in.ctan-announce

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-announce
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-announce@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-announce

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-bugs, debian-bugs-done
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-bugs(-done)?@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-bugs

:0:				# Another one for new bugs system
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*@bugs.debian.org
in.debian-bugs

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-changes
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-changes@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-changes

:0:				# mail To or CC debian-devel
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-devel@.*(debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-devel

:0:				# mirror logs
* ^To: edd
* ^Subject: mirror update$
in.mirror-update
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

:0: always starts a new rule section. Line with * describes rules, if there
are several they are ANDed together. The last line shows the folder into
which a message is put. 


Hope this helps, Dirk

- --
Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd


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Brian C. White wrote:
: >> I spend close
: >> to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
: >> a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
: >> is several months out of date.

[...]

: I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
: out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
: them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.

If you're referring to "vim" in the latter case, I chose not to package
vim 4.2 (leaving the current version at 3.0) because it has the restriction
that, if it's put on a CD-ROM, you must send the author a copy of the CD.
I have contacted the author, and he has indicated that 4.3 will not have
this restriction; when it comes out, I'll package it up.

Just to let you know that I'm well aware of the situation. :-)

If I get enough hate mail, I'll package it up and stick it in non-free,
but I don't particularly want to do this.

Oh, and in case earlier versions didn't have this restriction - I only
recently took over maintaining vim. :-)

-- 
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http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/ for all your PC software requirements.


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> I've been trying it for over 24 hours, and I must say I'm quite impressed.
> PPP  performance has really increased. It is streaming for long periods without
> interruption. And no kernel Ooops or no problems.
> Seemingly no problems...
> Can anyone confirm these subjective enhancements ? I mean my PPP connection
> might just be better by other means...

To test if you're actually seeing improvement with irqtune, I'd try
transferring a large file between your machine and the machine you're
connected with (or a machine that's only a few links away) before
installing irqtune.  Note the transfer rate.  Do this a few times to get
an average as each time will vary a bit.  Then load irqtune and try
transferring the same file again several times and see if there's any
substantial improvement in the average transfer time. 

After I saw the original post about irqtune here, I decided to ask about
it on the kernel list.  Linus is looking into it now.  Apparently, irqtune
only helps with some (probably buggy) interrupt controllers.  Below is
Linus' reply along with a kernel patch that *may* possibly have the same
effect as irqtune on systems where irqtune does make a difference.  On my
system, I see no improvement whatsover with irqtune.  But, others have
seen substantial improvement.  Someone told me he saw some improvement but
at the cost of slowing down his SCSI drive.

Gerry

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Russell Berry wrote:
> 
> I got this, installed it on both my machines (home/work), and can see a marked 
> increase in ppp performance.  However, I'm concerned about interrupt priorities, 
> does this effect _ONLY_ the timer interrupt priorities, or does it actually tweak
> the way the kernel interprets all system interrupts???

I don't like the fact that irqtune helsp interrupt performance, because the
way Linux tries to handle interrupts it _shouldn't_ make a difference. The
fact that irqtune obviously _does_ make a difference would indicate that the
irq handling has some problem, and irqtune just masks that problem by
changing the interrupt priority levels. 

Essentially, Linux does a "EOI" immediately when it gets the interrupt, and
that EOI _should_ mean that all other interrupts will get through, regardless
of whether they have lower or higher priority (because the EOI tells the
interrupt controller that it can forget about the interrupt that we're now
handling).  As such there should be no effect from irqtune, because the
interrupt priorities shouldn't really matter. 

However, Linux uses the "nonspecific" EOI to do this, and while that should
work, it may turn out that some interrupt controllers don't like it, and for
some reason mask the wrong interrupt. People who see a difference with
irqtune, could you test this patch instead (it changes the low-level
interrupt handlers to use the "specific" EOI to tell the controller that that
specific interrupt is now handled). 

I'd be very interested in reactions to this patch indeed, can you please 
try it out and tell me whether this makes any difference?

(This is against 2.0.14, but it should patch in cleanly against just about
any reasonably recent kernel. Certainly all of the 2.0.x series)

		Linus
----
--- v2.0.14/linux/include/asm-i386/irq.h	Sun Mar 10 09:28:56 1996
+++ linux/include/asm-i386/irq.h	Fri Aug 23 08:18:12 1996
@@ -81,7 +81,7 @@
  * a bit - without them it seems that the harddisk driver won't work on
  * all hardware. Arghh.
  */
-#define ACK_FIRST(mask) \
+#define ACK_FIRST(mask,nr) \
 	"inb $0x21,%al\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
@@ -90,10 +90,10 @@
 	"outb %al,$0x21\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x20,%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0x60+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0x20\n\t"
 
-#define ACK_SECOND(mask) \
+#define ACK_SECOND(mask,nr) \
 	"inb $0xA1,%al\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
@@ -102,11 +102,12 @@
 	"outb %al,$0xA1\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x20,%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0x60+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0xA0\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\toutb %al,$0x20\n\t"
+	"1:\tmovb $0x62,%al\n\t" \
+	"outb %al,$0x20\n\t"
 
 #define UNBLK_FIRST(mask) \
 	"inb $0x21,%al\n\t" \
@@ -207,7 +208,7 @@
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"sti\n\t" \
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
@@ -224,7 +225,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(fast_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t" \
 	"pushl $" #nr "\n\t" \
 	"call "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(do_fast_IRQ)"\n\t" \
@@ -238,7 +239,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(bad_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	LEAVE_KERNEL \
 	RESTORE_MOST);
 	
@@ -255,7 +256,7 @@
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
 	"pushl %ebx\n\t" \
@@ -283,7 +284,7 @@
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"sti\n\t" \
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
@@ -301,7 +302,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(fast_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	SMP_PROF_IPI_CNT \
 	"pushl $" #nr "\n\t" \
 	"call "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(do_fast_IRQ)"\n\t" \
@@ -312,7 +313,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(bad_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	RESTORE_MOST);
 
 #define BUILD_RESCHEDIRQ(nr) \
@@ -345,7 +346,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"sti\n\t" \
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
@@ -360,7 +361,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(fast_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t" \
 	"pushl $" #nr "\n\t" \
 	"call "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(do_fast_IRQ)"\n\t" \
@@ -372,7 +373,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(bad_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	RESTORE_MOST);
 	
 #define BUILD_TIMER_IRQ(chip,nr,mask) \
@@ -386,7 +387,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
 	"pushl %ebx\n\t" \
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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, David Sewell wrote:

> As a new Debian user who migrated from Slackware, one of the
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If you have not done so, you might want to check out the unstable
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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Stephen M Gordon wrote:

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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

dwarf>I've got the same version. I get:
dwarf>
dwarf>$ man -kr xx
dwarf>xxgdb (1x)           - X window system interface to the gdb debugger.
dwarf>
dwarf>However, most of my man pages are in /usr/man not /usr/local/man. Try
dwarf>running mandb on /usr/man and see if that helps. 
dwarf>You might also try checking the MD5SUM on the package file you installed
dwarf>from. If it does not check out, then you got a corrupt package file. Try
dwarf>getting a new copy and re-install, if this is the case.
dwarf>Just an asside...is your shell bash?
Yes.

Here is the output from what you suggested:
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-parsechangelog.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-parsechangelog.1: bad symlink or ROFF
`.so' request
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-genchanges.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-genchanges.1: bad symlink or ROFF `.so'
request
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-buildpackage.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-buildpackage.1: bad symlink or ROFF
`.so' request
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-distaddfile.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-distaddfile.1: bad symlink or ROFF
`.so' request
Checking for stray cats under /usr/man...
Checking for stray cats under /var/catman...
3 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
80 manual pages and 0 stray cats were added.
waterf:/home/clameter# man -kr xx
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
waterf:/home/clameter# 

Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
updates.

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On 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> waterf:/usr/local# mandb /usr/local/man
> Processing manual pages under /usr/local/man...
> Checking for stray cats under /usr/local/man...
> Checking for stray cats under /var/catman/local...
> 0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
> 0 manual pages and 0 stray cats were added.
> waterf:/usr/local# man -kr xx
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> waterf:/usr/local# dpkg -s man
> Package: man
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: important
> Section: doc
> Maintainer: Alvar Bray <alvar@debian.org>
> Version: 2.3.10-11

I've got the same version. I get:

$ man -kr xx
xxgdb (1x)           - X window system interface to the gdb debugger.

However, most of my man pages are in /usr/man not /usr/local/man. Try
running mandb on /usr/man and see if that helps. 
You might also try checking the MD5SUM on the package file you installed
from. If it does not check out, then you got a corrupt package file. Try
getting a new copy and re-install, if this is the case.
Just an asside...is your shell bash?

Luck,

Dwarf

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For all those who run the beta version of squid in unstable: There is
the release 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian.

I tried to contact the author but no response meanwhile our Webcahce
was crashing every other day.

If you are in the same boat... 


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As Jim Worthington said:
> 
> I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
> system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
> login.  Since the passwd file that I'm trying to test is not native to
> Debian Linux, the native Debian crypt algorithm won't be much use in
> it's incompatible state.
> 

I've sent this to Jim already, but I'm re-sending it to the list.

I can get Crack 4.1 to work to a point, but it either

	1) seg-faults near the end, when I compile with -O

	2) creates a garbage filename for the final output file, the filename 
		is around 250 bytes (256??) of punctuation and control characters.
		This is when I compile with -g

I ran #2 on a passwd file from a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, and it worked. Crack
was able to crack 4 of the users' passwords. So, the crypt() functions from
SunOS 4.1.3 and Linux 2.0.12 (er, libc 5.whatever) running on a 486
are compatible.

However Jim is seeing an anomaly on his machine. I'm also getting strange
behaviour from Crypt, and so is Randy Gobbel. I get segfaults or strange
filesystem behavior, and Randy's machine freezes, or also has strange
filesystem behavior.

Any more strange tales from the crypt() ? (sorry... my attempt at humor)

--gilbert
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     Does anyone know where the dpkg remapping table is?  I need to remap
pentium to i386 due to my recent installation of a pgcc compiler.  Trouble is,
somehow, dpkg --print-arrcheticture returns pentium.  Tends to hose lots of
install stuff and cause nice errors with dpkg -i.  Anyway, thanks alot.

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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
> updates.
> 
Sounds like you upgraded to an experimental version of dpkg. Which version
do you have? I'm running 1.3.6 with none of these problems.

Luck,

Dwarf

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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

dwarf>On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
dwarf>
dwarf>> Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
dwarf>> updates.
dwarf>> 
dwarf>Sounds like you upgraded to an experimental version of dpkg. Which version
dwarf>do you have? I'm running 1.3.6 with none of these problems.
1.3.9 as of today.

Any way to fix those problems?

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Is anybody running a 3C589 with the PCMCIA package in the unstable
area? I have been running mine fine with Debian 0.93, but when I try
setting up a test partition with Debian 1.1 it looks like the card
will not enable the interface. The log file shows no error messages,
and everything looks like it is working properly, but no messages get
through. I have converted all files to the same settings I use on my
0.93 system. I have set IF_PORT to 0, and the log messages show that the
10BaseT is being (correctly) selected.

I am running with an HP OmniBook 4000, and the card is a 10BaseT model.

Anybody have any suggestions on what else to look at?


Carl Johnson		carlj@peak.org


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Whats wrong with the cron script to produce this error?

Subject: Cron <root@nebula> run-parts /etc/cron.daily

cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:23: parse error
cfengine::23: Warning: actionsequence is empty
cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program




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Hello, all,

I thought I would give Debian a spin, so I downloaded the 1.1 (kernel
2.0.0) disk images and rawrite2.exe.  (I checked all my floppies for bad
blocks.)

I got to the point where the final base disk had just been read.  At this
juncture I got the lovely message:

hda: read_intr: status = 0x59 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error}
hda: read_intr: error = 0x40 {UncorrectableError}, LBAsect = 2247884,
                                                     sector = 131084 
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04, sector 131084 Kernel
panic: EXT2-fs panic (device 03:04): read_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode
                           bitmap_block_group = 8 inode_bitmap = 65542

Hmmm, I am trying this on my new (and amazingly cheap) 133MHz PCI 586
motherboard with 8M RAM and L1/L2 cache. My disk is a Maxtor 71626A IDE
with 1.6Gig (C/H/S 3158/16/63). I already had dos, etc installed on half
the disk in one primary and one extended partition. I created two new
primary partitions for Linux in the course of the installation process. (I
did NOT check them for bad blocks, as presumably this is unnecessary for
these modern disks.)

The motherboard is very new and has a fancy AMI BIOS.  It has a built-in
PCI IDE controller, and the BIOS setup allows you to tweak settings for the
IDE, like LBA mode, block mode, 32-bit mode, and PIO mode.  During the
installation, LBA mode was on, block mode was on at 8 sectors, 32-bit mode
was on, PIO mode was auto, which meant the machine was coming up with PIO
4.  I don't know if this has anything to do with it.

The installation also failed with all the fancy IDE stuff turned off 
(except LBA).

I noticed that when the kernel was spewing out its various hardware
identification messages, it acknowledged my IDE and noted that the controller 
was using LBA.  However, it displayed cylinder/head/sectors of 789/64/63,
not the real 3158/16/63.  

I tried booting with "linux hd=3158,16,63" at the boot: prompt.  This
didn't seem to help.  The kernel startup messages generated seemed to be
identical, and subsequent attempts to access the disk failed in the same
way.  I also looked for CHS-mapping-related options in 
cfdisk, but there didn't seem to be any.

I will now try some more experiments on my own, but ...

Oh mighty gurus, please shower this unworthy mortal with advice!

Thanks, 
Kevin Murphy

P.S.  The only other blip I experienced during installation was the fact
that the debian install.txt file misstated the usage of rawrite2. 

P.P.S.  The only other annoying thing during installation was that sometimes
the spawned programs would generate messages which were immediately obscured
by the installation window's reappearance.  In some cases I could catch a
brief glimpse of words like 'error', but the installation program didn't seem
to find anything to get upset about.  It would be nice if there were an
obvious way of reviewing the actual output of these programs, if necessary.


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>After I saw the original post about irqtune here, I decided to ask about
>it on the kernel list.  Linus is looking into it now.

Funny thing is, the following message was posted in that very same kernel
list on August 7th, and even though I and a couple of others chimed in with
confirmation of the problem, at that time Linus did not appear to notice the
thread, or chose not to respond (we all have the same 24hours/day to work
with, after all, so I understand....)

    On August 7, poonw@hkmail.sps.mot.com (Wallace Poon) wrote in
linux.dev.kernel:

    >I used Linux 1.2.13 and then up to 2.0.3 and found no problem in
    >using rz in Minicom for downloading. Once I upgraded to
    >2.0.9 and beyond, there is ALWAYS CRC errors when the IDE hardisk
    >read/write. There is also packet dropped in PPP session.

    >So could someone help me with this problem ?

    >The Quantum 1.7G IDE is connected to the on-board IDE controller.

    >Wallace

> Apparently, irqtune only helps with some (probably buggy) interrupt 
>controllers.

I politely beg to differ, in that I think you are generalizing excessively
and prematurely.  In Wallace's case above,  the same hardware did not
exhibit the problem with a slightly earlier version of the kernel (2.0.3),
so there's some food for thought.

Furthermore, in the case of my own target machine (a modest 386-40 with 8MB
RAM), I can and *have* done problem-free high-speed (V34) downloads under
DOS, Windows95, OS/2 Warp Connect and older Linux kernels (e.g. 1.2.13 as
found in Slackware 3.0 and RedHat 3.3.3).  Now of course Wallace and I only
represent two data points, but shouldn't that be enough to caution you
against prematurely declaring all affected hardware to be buggy?

> Below is
>Linus' reply along with a kernel patch that *may* possibly have the same
>effect as irqtune on systems where irqtune does make a difference.  On my
>system, I see no improvement whatsover with irqtune.  But, others have
>seen substantial improvement.  Someone told me he saw some improvement but
>at the cost of slowing down his SCSI drive.

Better to slow down disk I/O a bit than to suffer frequent overruns (and
their consequences such as block resends, PPP stalls, etc...) on incoming
serial traffic, no?  Anyway, it's all a matter of priority (which is exactly
what this irqtune gizmo is supposed to allow us to tune...).

I'm glad this is being discussed and tested by a lot of knowledgeable
people.  That's all I hoped to achieve by bringing this issue up in here.
Thank you for doing your share by managing to attract Linus' attention to it
on the kernel mailing list...


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Hi ReWt --

You asked:
> Whats wrong with the cron script to produce this error?
> 
> Subject: Cron <root@nebula> run-parts /etc/cron.daily
> 
> cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:23: parse error
> cfengine::23: Warning: actionsequence is empty
> cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program

When you installed cfengine, the following message probably scrolled 
by on your screen (I'm just fetching the text from 
the /var/lib/dpkg/info/cfengine.postinst file):

"This package will generate an error mail message every night regarding"
the action sequence being empty until the /etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf"
file is edited (by hand) to reflect the tasks you wish to perform on"
this system.  This is not a bug."

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann




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> Hakan Ardo writes:
> > > Sorry, there's only one: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/lyx.1.gz.
> > 
> > Even taht one is missing...
> 
> Hmm, I have it. :-)
> 
> Try reinstalling the package.

OK, I suppose I update to the unstable version at the same time :-)

> 
> > Well, I am using mfbasfnt 1.0-3. Because 1.0-4 is in the unstable distrobutinge,
> > and I thought that with unstable you ment not yet usable. But I am getting the
> 
> No. :-)

Good to know, shoulden't this be stated somewhere so that everyone can find it, or is it
just Me that are missing it...

> 
> > feeling that the packages in there is perfectly OK to use. What is the general
> > feeling about them? Do you allow dselect to update your packages as soon as a
> > new version shows up in unstable, or how carefull do I have to be with them?
> 
> I usually use dftp so I don't know. :-)

Now, what is dftp? And what advantages do it have over dselect?

> 
> Normally they work very well. If not there'll be another release pretty
> soon.
> 
> > I can find no mfdcfnt package. I should be freely downloadable even if it is
> > in the non-free distrobution, right?
> 
> Right. But maybe it wasn't on the mirror yet.

Maby so, I try again later. How log is the usual update time for the mirrors?


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> 
> Ervin D. Walter writes ("gs 3.53 and up"):
> ...
> > Now, the wierd parts.  First, these errors don't occur every time, and
> > they don't occur in the same place every time.  Second, the exact save
> > .ps file sent through gs 2.whatever or gs >= 3.53 *compiled with
> > optimizations turned off* works perfectly.
> ...
> 
> A new GCC was released by the FSF recently.  One of the reasons they
> gave was that it could miscompile ghostscript.  ITYSBT.

Fortunately, your gs maintainer (me) is subscribed to the gcc2 mailing
list, and, to the best of my knowledge, the bug was avaided in
the gs-3.53 sources by redefining "const".

I've even put a note about this in /usr/doc/gs/ somewhere (forget
what file).

Oh, and I've installed David's gcc-2.7.2.1 now, so all gs packages
released since last week or so are compiled "OK".


As far as I'm aware, Ervin himself is now also satisfied that it's
his processor that was at fault, in this case (as I guessed).


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Hi Ken --

You wrote:
> I am having difficulty getting the xconsole to work running in
> fvwm (or any window manager).  I use a .xsession file in my home
> directory.  Here is that file:
> 
> ----------------- begin .xsession file -------------
> #!/bin/bash
> 
[snip]
> xconsole -exitOnFail -g 490x200-20-50 &
> -------------------------- end .xsession file -------------
[snip]
> 
> At first I did not have the "exitOnFail" in the xconsole line,
> and I would get an xconsole window that said
>   "Couldn't open console".
> With the "exitOnFail", I just get no window at all.
> 
Your /dev/xconsole should look like this:
prw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Aug 25 06:37 /dev/xconsole|

If not, execute:
mknod -m 644 /dev/xconsole p

Be sure that the xconsole line is uncommented in /etc/syslog.conf:
auth.*;daemon.*;mail.*;news.crit;news.err;news.notice;*.=debug;*.=info;\
*.=notice;*.=warn;cron.none      |/dev/xconsole

I start xconsole with this:
xconsole -file /dev/xconsole

If you try bringing up xconsole and see nothing, then it's possible that
you've already been logging messages for a while and the pipe filled up, so
syslog quit sending messages to it.  To start over again, issue this 
command:
kill -SIGHUP `cat /var/run/syslog.pid`

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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In article <4voeu3$vsg@miriam.fuller.edu> you write:
>For all those who run the beta version of squid in unstable: There is
>the release 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian.
>
>I tried to contact the author but no response meanwhile our Webcahce
>was crashing every other day.
>
>If you are in the same boat... 

OK, then I guess it's time to upload my "interim" version to master.
I have packaged squid-1.0.9 and have it running on a couple of
machines. I'll upload it to master in a few minutes but in the mean
time you can get it from

ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/alpha/

Mike.

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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

Hi Jim,

> Does Linux use a different encryption algorithm than Sun?  (obviously it
> is different) Is there any Sun compatability login software for Linux
> that would allow me to use a common password database between the two
> systems?

When both machines are attached to the same LAN the use of NIS would help.
Works perfectly here with serveral different UNIX types like
BSD/Linux/Solaris/SunOs. The NIS Server runs on a SunOS Machine.

Greetings,

Steffen

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In article <321F83F3.2D87@worldnet.att.net>,
Jim Worthington  <jworthington@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>I've tried UFC CRYPT in addition to FCRYPT with equally un-successful
>results.  The use of standard crypt makes sense as you suggest, however,
>I believe that the crypt which is distributed with Debian 1.1 is broken,
>or at least incompatable with the standard Unix crypt algorithm. 
>Whether this is a bug or a security enhancement is unknown.

I can assure you that the crypt included in the Linux libc is compatible
with other Unix crypts. We are using NIS in our internal network, and
I've worked with Solaris NIS servers, SunOS NIS servers and Linux NIS
servers (now only using the Linux NIS server) with accounts/passwords
generated on all of them. Everything can talk with eachother.

Please don't spread around such misinformation about Linux and/or Debian.
It is bad publicity, and does hurt us all.

I don't know what problem you are seeing with Crack, but I compiled
it myself a couple of months ago with no trouble what so ever.

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960824000914.306B-100000@kite.preferred.com>,
Joey Hess  <joey@kite.preferred.com> wrote:
>> /etc/init.d/console, /etc/rc.boot/0kbd . Look at /etc/config/console and
>> /etc/config/kbd .
>
>Hmm.. I seem to be lacking an /etc/config/ directory. I'm running
>debian 1.1.6, what package have I neglected to install?

Uhm no that should be /etc/kbd/config, if you have it. For some reason the
kbd package creates its own directory for just one config file.

I think later kbd packages do not link /dev/console anymore because
that's not the job of the kbd package. If any script should do it it's
/etc/init.d/boot, and then only if my serial console patches get integrated
into the kernel (needs a rewrite first).

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In article <m0uuOfv-0003G5C@pinky>,
Larry 'Daffy' Daffner <vizzie@pinky.mimosa.org> wrote:
>
>I seem to be having a problem with inewsinn.  I compiled nn locally
>and set it up to use inews (from the inewsinn package) to post the
>article.  However, when inews goes to send the article, it creates
>large amounts of traffic over my serial link.  I would assume it's
>trying to get the active or newsgroups file from my NNTP server.  Is
>this normal, and if so, is there some way to configure or set up
>things so that it won't try to do this?

Hmm, I don't know what its doing but you could try to strace it to
find out. Install "strace" from the devel/ tree, and when your inews
has started find out its process id with "ps ax | grep inews" and then
strace it with "strace -fp process_id_here". You can then see exactly
what it is doing..

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can I delete unnecessary partitions?Ibegan to install debian on C drive
but decided to wait until I could install a discrete hard drive to 
dedicate to debian or other linux.This accomplished, I attempted to 
delete the partitions I created on C drive, but fdisk tells me I can't 
delete extended partition while logical drives exist but when I attempt 
to delete the logical drives I'm told that no logical drives are defined
both disks are relatively small so it is of substantial concern that I 
am able to reclaim this space. any suggestions?...Mike List


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When trying to configure babel 3.6-4 it claims that manfnt.mf is missing in 
the "Rebuilding 'amstex' format" section and after the "Appending font 
creation commands to missfont.log" message it places utselfe in some sort of
loop which I stoped when /usr/lib/texmf/amslex.log had grown to about 720 Mb,
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Hi,
I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:

ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'

The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new version,
and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?


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Hi,
I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
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?? Why double the work. This was an ad for the debianized version.

On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

miquels>In article <4voeu3$vsg@miriam.fuller.edu> you write:
miquels>>For all those who run the beta version of squid in unstable: There is
miquels>>the release 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian.
miquels>>
miquels>>I tried to contact the author but no response meanwhile our Webcahce
miquels>>was crashing every other day.
miquels>>
miquels>>If you are in the same boat... 
miquels>
miquels>OK, then I guess it's time to upload my "interim" version to master.
miquels>I have packaged squid-1.0.9 and have it running on a couple of
miquels>machines. I'll upload it to master in a few minutes but in the mean
miquels>time you can get it from
miquels>
miquels>ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/alpha/
miquels>
miquels>Mike.
miquels>
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> >> I spend close
> >> to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
> >> a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
> >> is several months out of date.
> >
> >Which editor and browser are you talking about?  Are you looking
> >at the "stable" or the "development" directory tree?
> >
> >I maintain the "netscape" package and it is right up to date.
> 
> I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
> out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
> them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.

I suggest you contact the maintainer and (politely, of course) ask if
he/she is planning a new release soon.

Also, offering to take over the packages because you use them quite
extensively might be an idea.  The first time you create a new package
it will probably take half a day to a day, but gets much easier with a
little practice.  I can now build new packages in about 30 minutes.  Some
of the more complex ones (like gnats) will take more time.  Maintaining
existing packages is usually quite easy, however.

I took over cfengine because we use it here quite extensively and the
previous maintainer was not.  Since you use those two packages a lot,
you will probably be a good and responsive maintainer.

                                        Brian
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> Whats wrong with the cron script to produce this error?
> 
> Subject: Cron <root@nebula> run-parts /etc/cron.daily
> 
> cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:23: parse error
> cfengine::23: Warning: actionsequence is empty
> cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program

Nothing is wrong with it.  You have not configured cfengine.

When you installed cfengine you would have gotten the following
message:

- This package will generate an error mail message every night regarding
  the action sequence being empty until the /etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf
  file is edited (by hand) to reflect the tasks you wish to perform on
  this system.  This is not a bug.


                                        Brian
                               ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

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> As Jim Worthington said:
> > 
> > I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
> > system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
> > login.


Just another data point....  I just copied my passwords from my SVR4
Dell Unix system to Linux, and they worked fine.  I didn't just copy
the /etc/passwd file because I wanted to preserve some of the default
logins that Debian gives, and I also had to snarf the passwords out of
/etc/shadow.

In the past, I have also copied passwords from HP-UX, Sun OS, and SGI
machines to my Dell machine, so I would say that all of these systems
must use the same format.


-wayne


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I have everything running but two things didn't work out. 
My root login, well I don't have one. When I boot from LILO I go
straight to linux without going into a login and password prompt. I am
the user root. I would like to have a root login and personal login just
to save my machine from its user mainly me.

Also I can't use my mouse pad (Linux is on my laptop) without linux
locking up. I have to suspend the computer then come back into it for
things to work again. Is there a way to tell Linux to ignore output from
the mouse pad.

One more thing how do I make sure I have the most recent version of
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have to install things from /fixes too.

Thanks

Marcus Hightower


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On 13:32:56 Mike& Candy List wrote:
>>can I delete unnecessary partitions?Ibegan to install debian on C drive
>but decided to wait until I could install a discrete hard drive to 
>dedicate to debian or other linux.This accomplished, I attempted to 
>delete the partitions I created on C drive, but fdisk tells me I can't 
>delete extended partition while logical drives exist but when I attempt 
>to delete the logical drives I'm told that no logical drives are defined
>both disks are relatively small so it is of substantial concern that I 
>am able to reclaim this space. any suggestions?...Mike List

Mike,

Seen this one before too!  I think you probably created the partitions 
with Linux fdisk, and are attempting to delete them using DOS fdisk.
Doesn't work!  You'll have to remove them with Linux fdisk or format
the drive, I think.  You could try setting the partition type to a DOS
FAT (I think its type 6), but you'll even have to use Linux fdisk to do
that.  DOS will see the partition, and calls it NON-DOS, but it won't
let you manipulate the table entries for it at all.  If you can, set it do
a DOS type, and then you'll be able to delete it with DOS fdisk.

Paul


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Hi Hakan --

You asked:
> I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
> package are they?

I think the Latex-2e approach is not to use .sty files, but to use .cls
(class) files.  Support for a4 letter paper is built into the article.cls
file, for example, but the option a4paper.
So, to get output formatted for a4 paper, you would invoke the article style
this way:

\documentclass[titlepage, oneside, a4paper, 11pt]{article}
\usepackage{html}
\usepackage[dvips]{graphicx}

where the options "titlepage", "oneside", "11pt", etc., are all 
optional (!); I just put them there to illustrate that you can have more
than 1 option in the [].  I also added the statements regarding
"usepackage" as a further example of package-loading in latex-2e.

If you'd like to read more about this, you might want to get a copy
of the boot "The LaTeX Companion", by Goosens, Mittelbach, and Samarin.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Hakan --

You said:
> I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:
> 
> ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'
> 
> The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new version
,
> and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "tested to install".  It looks like
you failed to install the version of procps which is in the unstable 
(a.k.a. rex) tree, but instead have installed on your system the version
of procps which comes in the stable (a.k.a. buzz-fixed) tree.

Exactly what happened when you tried to install 
    /rex/binary/base/procps_1.01a-1.deb ?

And what do you see now when you execute
    dpkg -l "procps"

Susan Kleinmann


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Has everyone been able to install x-windows with little pain?  I have 
been trying to install x-windows for the last 3 weeks.  Whenever I 
dselect xserver, etc, etc and select install it follows the entire setup 
procedure when it has completed all the steps it says that it's missing 
elf###### package.  I have searched for a package that looks anything 
like this and I can't find it.

I would greatly appreciate any information regarding this error.

Walter A. Birriel
walter@shorebreak.com


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> Hi Hakan --
> 
> You asked:
> > I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
> > package are they?
> 
> I think the Latex-2e approach is not to use .sty files, but to use .cls
> (class) files.  Support for a4 letter paper is built into the article.cls
> file, for example, but the option a4paper.
> So, to get output formatted for a4 paper, you would invoke the article style
> this way:
> 
> \documentclass[titlepage, oneside, a4paper, 11pt]{article}
> \usepackage{html}
> \usepackage[dvips]{graphicx}
> 
> where the options "titlepage", "oneside", "11pt", etc., are all 
> optional (!); I just put them there to illustrate that you can have more
> than 1 option in the [].  I also added the statements regarding
> "usepackage" as a further example of package-loading in latex-2e.

OK, this works all fine, but the there is the trouble with my old latex files,
latex still supports the us of sty files, right? I have several documents
that uese that apportch, and I felt it easyer to install the stys, than 
convert all my files. 

Then there is the trouble with lyx. I have just started to try it out, and it 
seems like it uses the sty approch, but it might be a misconfiguration of it
to...



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> Hi Hakan --
> 
> You said:
> > I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:
> > 
> > ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'
> > 
> > The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new version
> ,
> > and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?
> 
> I'm not quite sure what you mean by "tested to install".  It looks like
> you failed to install the version of procps which is in the unstable 
> (a.k.a. rex) tree, but instead have installed on your system the version
> of procps which comes in the stable (a.k.a. buzz-fixed) tree.
> 
> Exactly what happened when you tried to install 
>     /rex/binary/base/procps_1.01a-1.deb ?

Well, it seemed to work just fine. What I ment by "tested to install" was that
I afterwards reinstalled to older version form the stable distrobution, 
because it did not work.
> 
> And what do you see now when you execute
>     dpkg -l "procps"
> 

hmm, when I now tried to reinstalle the unstable version to recreate the 
porblem, ps works just fine! Sorry to bather you, I must have made some
foolish mistake.


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Hi Walter --

You asked:
> Has everyone been able to install x-windows with little pain?  I have 
> been trying to install x-windows for the last 3 weeks.  Whenever I 
> dselect xserver, etc, etc and select install it follows the entire setup 
> procedure when it has completed all the steps it says that it's missing 
> elf###### package.  I have searched for a package that looks anything 
> like this and I can't find it.
> 

It sounds as if the missing package is elf-x11r6lib.  That library is one
of 3 libraries provided by the package xlib.  You can tell if you've got
xlib installed by issuing the command:
   dpkg -l xlib

You'll need several other packages to make X work also:
xbase
xserver-<whatever_is_right_for_your_video_card>, e.g., xserver-s3 for
   most Diamond cards
xfntbase
and possibly some other xfnt files (I just load all of them)

and one of the window managers:  either twm (this is provided by
xbase, so you needn'e load a new package), fvwm, fvwm2, 9wm, or gwm.
I use fvwm, but am meaning to migrate to fvwm2.  I think one of these
is the most popular in the Debian world.

If you need more help than this, just send me private email.  I'll be
happy to help.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann 


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Does anyone else get repeated messages from 
    "Manager, AlisaMail" <AMMGR@alisa1.lockheed.com>

regarding  "Undeliverable Mail"?

As far as I can tell, the only person whose address comes close to 
"lockheed.com" who has written to the list is 
Mark Rahner <rahner@ipserss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>.

I've gotten about half a dozen of these in the last 2 days, and it's
beginning to wear...

Susan Kleinmann


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Hi Daniel --

You asked:
> Just one question...
> 
> Does taper implicitly call 'mt'?

Well, no.  In fact, taper does its own ioctl calls, which is why it
is behind the other general-purpose utilities in supporting a broad array
of hardware.  I spent a long time studying both taper and tob, and I'm
strongly convinced that tob is the way to go. It is a shell script which
uses well-tested utilities to do the I/O, it's got a robust archive
system, and excellent (clear) documentation.  Give it a try.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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Linus' attempt to fix the serial/interrupt problem that some systems
experience is now in the 2.0.15 kernel.  For those of you that are using
these systems where irqtune does makes a difference, try this new kernel
and see if it has the same effect.

Gerry
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:

> Linus' attempt to fix the serial/interrupt problem that some systems
> experience is now in the 2.0.15 kernel.  For those of you that are using
> these systems where irqtune does makes a difference, try this new kernel
> and see if it has the same effect.

Maybe this was bad advice.  I'm seeing a lot of people on the kernel list
are having problems with this kernel.  Beware.

Gerry


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Hi Marcus --

You asked:
> My root login, well I don't have one. When I boot from LILO I go
> straight to linux without going into a login and password prompt. I am
> the user root. 

It's hard to see how this happened.  In any case, if even root isn't
asked to log in, then add this line to /etc/passwd:

root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash

Then (as root) execute the command

passwd                 <- really.  Don't execute "password".

Then, when you are prompted, specify a new password.


>I would like to have a root login and personal login just
> to save my machine from its user mainly me.
In order to set yourself up as a user, you need to execute the
command (as root)

adduser your_user_name

You will be asked for some information, just respond as required.

> Also I can't use my mouse pad (Linux is on my laptop) without linux
> locking up. I have to suspend the computer then come back into it for
> things to work again. Is there a way to tell Linux to ignore output from
> the mouse pad.

More information is needed to diagnose this I think.  
Are you using X?  gpm?  


> One more thing how do I make sure I have the most recent version of
> everything. Web base, ftp doc? I know about ftp.debain.com/buzz but do I
> have to install things from /fixes too.

Well, you should get the files in buzz-fixed.  They were put there to
upgrade bugs, not to provide enhance functionality (that kind of 
improvement will come in the next Debian release).

OTOH, it sounds as if you have some exploring to do.  You might want
to stick with what you've got -- if you can get it working to your 
satisfaction -- since Debian 1.2 should be out in only a couple of months.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:05:26 EDT "Susan G. Kleinmann" 
(sgk@sgk.tiac.net) wrote:

> > Does taper implicitly call 'mt'?
> 
> Well, no.  In fact, taper does its own ioctl calls, which is why it
> is behind the other general-purpose utilities in supporting a broad array
> of hardware.  I spent a long time studying both taper and tob, and I'm
> strongly convinced that tob is the way to go. It is a shell script which
> uses well-tested utilities to do the I/O, it's got a robust archive
> system, and excellent (clear) documentation.  Give it a try.

BTW, I've experienced complete system lockups when using ftape-2.09 with kernel 1.2.14. This happens whenever reading or writing to the tape.
Trying to use zftape-1.05 gives kernel Ooops.

Anyone have these working ?

Phil.



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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Kevin Murphy wrote:

> 
> hda: read_intr: status = 0x59 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error}
> hda: read_intr: error = 0x40 {UncorrectableError}, LBAsect = 2247884,
>                                                      sector = 131084 
> end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04, sector 131084 Kernel
> panic: EXT2-fs panic (device 03:04): read_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode
>                            bitmap_block_group = 8 inode_bitmap = 65542
> 
.
. 
.
> 
> The motherboard is very new and has a fancy AMI BIOS.  It has a built-in
> PCI IDE controller, and the BIOS setup allows you to tweak settings for the
> IDE, like LBA mode, block mode, 32-bit mode, and PIO mode.  During the
> installation, LBA mode was on, block mode was on at 8 sectors, 32-bit mode
> was on, PIO mode was auto, which meant the machine was coming up with PIO
> 4.  I don't know if this has anything to do with it.
> 

I have had this happen to me when the PIO level was set too high.  Try 
setting it manually to a lower value and work your way up the highest 
functioning mode.

Cheers

Carlo

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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Hakan Ardo wrote:

> Hi,
> I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:
> 
> ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'
> 
> The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new version,
> and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?
> 

I had the same problem and it went away after reinstalling the procps 
package by hand.  I think that the library is in the package itself.

HTH

Carlo

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	I'm running into a problem with one, lone Linux box right now.
After the BIOS bootstraps, the drive and CD-ROM and recognized, and the 3.5"
floppy is seen, instead of saying "LILO" as a preface to LILO's booting into
Linux, the following comes up:

xFA:

(where x == /dev/hdax according to whichever partition is enabled as the
active partition--I get "2FA:" if it tries to boot off of /dev/hda2 or
"3FA:" for /dev/hda3)

	When this problem first came up, I found that I'm able to boot via
floppy into Linux--but the partition table was fine, as was LILO and the
/etc/lilo.conf file.  I did a full reinstall onto /dev/hda2 anyway, with the
same result.  The full, initial install onto /dev/hda3 was just another
attempt at it (that partition is earmarked for NT on the machines in my
cluster), but I got "3FA:" instead.  (Just booting into Linux and leaving it
at that isn't an option.  Because it's a cluster machine, I need it to boot
off of the HD so I can BIOS-lock the floppy out of the boot cycle.)
	I did have this problem on a second machine, but a full reinstall
took care of it--but didn't teach me anything.  Neither machine had any more
on it than the five-floppy initial installation set puts on it.  I'm using
1.1.


David winters+@cs.cmu.edu
Office: 3503 WeH, x86720
MTFBWY



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I see that the Debian installation instructions contain the following.
>Extended vs. Expanded Memory
>If your system provides both extended and expanded memory, set it
>so that there is as much extended and as little expanded memory
>as possible. Linux requires extended memory and can not use
>expanded memory.

I'm confused, since unices make no such distinctions between memory.
This is under the BIOS settings instructions, so presumably there
were systems where the BIOS somehow configured the memory to behave
like extended memory?

Thanks for an explanation!
-bhaskar


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In article <199608260215.AA07432@or4.me.uiuc.edu> bhaskar wrote:
: I see that the Debian installation instructions contain the following.
: >Extended vs. Expanded Memory
: >If your system provides both extended and expanded memory, set it
: >so that there is as much extended and as little expanded memory
: >as possible. Linux requires extended memory and can not use
: >expanded memory.
: 
: I'm confused, since unices make no such distinctions between memory.
: This is under the BIOS settings instructions, so presumably there
: were systems where the BIOS somehow configured the memory to behave
: like extended memory?

Indeed. As an example, at home I have a 486, and two 286 class systems.
One of the 286 machines is based around the NEAT chipset, which allows
you to do all sorts of neat stuff (pun not intended, but I'll keep it
there anyway. :-) It has 4MB of RAM, 2MB of which is earmarked for EMS;
the rest is the base/extended. Changing the size of the EMS block is
trivial - just modify the CMOS settings, and reboot.

Linux switches into 386 enhanced mode, which treats memory as one big
continuous block. _However_, this only works if the memory is set up
to work as extended memory. EMS was designed to get around the 640KB
limit on 8086, 8088, and 80186-based systems. (yes, there _was_ an
80186 chip; it just wasn't widely used in the same way that the 8088,
80286, 80386, and 80486 were.) [yes, I know, it's the i486...sheesh.
I was on a roll there. :-) ]

Basically, the simple answer is that you can "see", and use, extended
memory in 386 enhanced mode, which Linux runs under. You cannot "see"
expanded memory, making it useless under Linux.

-- 
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. Linux is the answer.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/ for all your PC software requirements.


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From: "David C. Winters" <winters@giri.intro.cs.cmu.edu>
> 	I'm running into a problem with one, lone Linux box right now.
> After the BIOS bootstraps, the drive and CD-ROM and recognized, and the 3.5"
> floppy is seen, instead of saying "LILO" as a preface to LILO's booting into
> Linux, the following comes up:
> 
> xFA:

This is from Debian's master boot record. Press "2" to boot partition 2,
'F' to boot the floppy, etc. I suggest you re-install the LILO package and
say "no" to the first question (which asks if you want to use the existing
LILO configuration) and "yes" to all subsequent questions.

Either the partition is not bootable for some reason, or you have a shift key
down when the system boots. Otherwise you would not see this.

	Bruce


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Susan:
> Does anyone else get repeated messages from 
>    "Manager, AlisaMail" <AMMGR@alisa1.lockheed.com>

You get one for each posting. The version of the Microsoft Mail gateway they
are running at Lockheed simply assumes you can figure out the address that is
failing from the "To:" address in the message. I sent the manager there a
message asking who he or she thinks it could be for - at least half for
rhetorical value, as there isn't much way to tell and it makes the point
that their software is broken.

Probably the best way to tell is to get the distribution list from Anders.

	Bruce


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In gpm_1.06-3.deb the files libgpm.so.* are missing.

I noticed this since mc wouldn't run anymore after updating to this package.
I have not checked if there are any other files missing.

Martin Dinkloh


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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> dwarf>On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> dwarf>
> dwarf>> Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
> dwarf>> updates.
> dwarf>> 
> dwarf>Sounds like you upgraded to an experimental version of dpkg. Which version
> dwarf>do you have? I'm running 1.3.6 with none of these problems.
> 1.3.9 as of today.
> 
> Any way to fix those problems?
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I would suggest removing any of the files that it lists as
problems, then remove and reinstall the manpages package, and
possibly the actual "man" utility as well.


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Hamish Moffatt <moffatt@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> writes:

> When I try to view a manual page that's located in /usr/local/man,
> man says it's updating a local index, then gives a segmentation fault.
> Any ideas on how to fix this?

Christoph Lameter <clameter@fuller.edu> writes:

> Any way to fix those problems?

This is going back a step: I waited, thinking I might be duplicating
Dale's answer--but I'd suggest one more thing.  I had this problem a
little while ago.  (I wasn't using an experimental version of dpkg,
though I didn't ever find out just what caused it.)  What worked for me
was running mandb with the -c option to completely rebuild the database:

-c, --create
              By default, mandb will try to update any previously
              created databases. If a database does not exist, it
              will create it. This option forces mandb to  delete
              previous databases and re-create them from scratch.
              This may be necessary if a database becomes corrupt
              or  if  a new database storage scheme is introduced
              in the future.                                           

I ran it from the command line as root, and without specifying any path,
letting it read /etc/manpath.config.  I don't recall what directory I
ran it from, but don't think it mattered.  Segfaults went away as silently as
they'd come.

I didn't get the impression you've tried this yet, and if you haven't,
do, because it sounds pretty much like my experience.  Hope it helps,
 
-- 

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Hakan Ardo writes:
> 
> Hi,
> I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:
> 
> ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'

This is a bug in the postinst. I don't know if it has been reported yet.
Will check that.

You should be able to work around it simply by installing it once again.

Michael

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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:

Hi Susan,

> Does anyone else get repeated messages from 
>     "Manager, AlisaMail" <AMMGR@alisa1.lockheed.com>
> 
> regarding  "Undeliverable Mail"?

Yupp, reiceived 6 of them.

Greetings,

Steffen

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I am soo confused.Can anyone clue me in as to how to transfer package 
information to a floppy in a form that linux can recognize?tried:
direct copy from mswindows file manager,rawrite but no go also, booted
from custom disk got message that dselectlockfile access denied,as well
as the tragic news that the child died.I'm so green that I expect to 
have trouble,but if anyone can set me straight I'd be grateful.....
Mike List


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Martin Dinkloh writes:
> 
> In gpm_1.06-3.deb the files libgpm.so.* are missing.
> 
> I noticed this since mc wouldn't run anymore after updating to this package.
> I have not checked if there are any other files missing.

It's not missing it just got deleted due to a bug in the postinst. You
should be able to work around it by simply installing it once again.

Michael

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Subject: Re: a4.sty and a4wide.sty
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Hakan Ardo writes:
> Then there is the trouble with lyx. I have just started to try it out, and it 
> seems like it uses the sty approch, but it might be a misconfiguration of it
> to...

I use a4paper with LyX all the time without a problem. However, a4wide
doesn't work.

Michael

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> Hakan Ardo writes:
> > Then there is the trouble with lyx. I have just started to try it out, and it
>  
> > seems like it uses the sty approch, but it might be a misconfiguration of it
> > to...
> 
> I use a4paper with LyX all the time without a problem. However, a4wide
> doesn't work.

Sure it does, the only trouble with that one is that it only uses half of 
the paper :) The rest is margins...


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> Hakan Ardo writes:
> > Sure it does, the only trouble with that one is that it only uses half of 
> > the paper :) The rest is margins...
> 
> That's true. And I don't know how to solve it correctly. I just entered a
> latex preamble:
> 
> \begin_preamble
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> \setlength\evensidemargin  {\oddsidemargin}
> \setlength{\textheight}{23cm}
> \setlength{\textwidth}{17cm}
> \topmargin-20mm
> \end_preamble
> 
> That works. :-)

Yes, it does, very well. But there should be a way to get hold of the sty 
files, it should prevent a lot of trouble, not only for me.


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Good job with deb-view.el! This is by all means a useful tool. For a next
version: it would be great to have an entry in crypt-build-encoding-alist so
that opening any .deb from emacs goes through your processing. After all,
crypt++ is provided with w3-el. This might annoy people that download .deb
files through ange-ftp though, unless you manage to get the writing routines
right...

On a related subject, I have the following problem: I am eagerly waiting for
the next release of USSLite, which should fully support my MAD16 82C930
soundcard. I tried downloading the tar.gz from the author, but failed compiling
my custom kernel with it. No hurry, I'll wait...

However, the question is: how do I know which kernel-source.deb contains which
USSLite version... Is there a way around downloading a 6Mb package, just to
read one filename? Although less acute, I guess this type of problems must
occur with other packages too (eg: what is the version number of chat in a
given ppp.deb package?)

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On 21 Aug 1996, Dirk Bernhardt wrote:
>I just installed the whole tex stuff. I now am trying to configure it
>to make the fonts for my Epson Stylus 800 printer.
>
>I've changed the dvips-file config.ps:
>
>D 360
>M epstylus
O.K.

>
>and added to Metafont's modes.mf
>
>mode_def epstylus =                     % Epson Stylus (360dpi)
>  mode_param (pixels_per_inch, 360);
>  mode_param (blacker, .35);
>  mode_param (fillin, 0);
>  mode_param (o_correction, .8);
>  mode_common_setup_;
>enddef;
Did you remake metafonts base file?

(as root say
  mfmakemfbase
  mfmakecmmfbase
)

>Output written on cmr12.2602gf (128 characters, 254596 bytes).
Appears to create a font with standard definitions (which have a fairly
high resolution)

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>>>>> On Sat, 24 Aug 96 17:42 EDT, Stephen Masterman <floyd@animals.mit.edu> said:
 Stephen> Can someone point me to info for the quickest, easiest way to use
 Stephen> procmail with Emacs RMAIL to separate, say, the debian list into a
 Stephen> separate folder?  I normally have no problem putting hours into
 Stephen> something like this, but lately I'm incredibly busy and there seems
 Stephen> to have been loads of traffic on debian recently, so that I'd really
 Stephen> like to get it working as quickly as possible.

I switched to MH about a year ago, so this is just theory:

1) set up procmail
==================
(with ~/.forward, etc) as explained by Dirk in a previous message

2) set up your ~/.procmailrc 
============================
# Please check if all the paths in PATH are reachable, remove the ones that
# are not.
PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:
MAILDIR=$HOME
LOCKFILE=$MAILDIR/.lockmail # default lock

# default action: keep in username mailbox
DEFAULT="/var/spool/mail/username"

#------------------------------------------------------
# Debian mailing lists go into ~/debian/inbox
:0:debian/.lock
* ^X-Loop:.*@lists.debian.org
$MAILDIR/debian/inbox

3) from emacs,
==============
do M-x rmail-input RET ~/debian/rmail RET 
to open/create the file ~/debian/rmail

4) in that buffer,
==================
do M-x set-rmail-inbox-list RET inbox RET
to explain rmail where to get new messages from.

This all should work, now you only got to debug! ;-)

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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Mike& Candy List wrote:

> I am soo confused.Can anyone clue me in as to how to transfer package 
> information to a floppy in a form that linux can recognize?tried:
> direct copy from mswindows file manager,rawrite but no go also, booted
> from custom disk got message that dselectlockfile access denied,as well
> as the tragic news that the child died.I'm so green that I expect to 
> have trouble,but if anyone can set me straight I'd be grateful.....
> Mike List
> 
Well, first, get out of windows. Make sure rawrite is in the same
directory with the disk images you wish to copy (boot1440.bin, root.bin,
base14-1.bin, base14-2.bin, and base14-3.bin). Copy one image to each of
five formated disketts. To do this type rawrite at the dos prompt. You
will be prompted for an input file and an output file. The input file
should be one of the above .bin files. The output file/device should be
a:, unless your 3 1/2" drive is b:.
Once you have made these five disks, boot your computer with the boot disk
and follow the directions. I would also suggest that you print out the
installation directions (find them in the same place as the above disk
images) as they will be very helpful.
I you still have problems, don't hesitate to let us know. Some information
about the target machine (processor, memory, special interfaces...) will
give us a better idea about where your problems may lie.

Luck,
 
Dwarf

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Hi!

I tried dselect's ftp method last night for the first time.
It's pretty nice.  However, I tried to install the mosaic
package and I got a dependency error.  Mosaic needs libpng
and zlib1.  I have libgr installed.  Although libgr does not
conflict with these two other packages, they conflict with
it.  As libgr provides the functionality of zlib and libpng,
I guess these should conflict, but shouldn't this be mutual?
I mean shouldn't libgr conflict with zlib1 and ligpng?
Also, couldn't there be a couple of virtual packages that
these could provide (mutually exlisive) that things like
mosaic could depend on instead of depending on the actuall
packages?  I'm not sure that libgr is a fully functional
replacement for zlib1 and libpng, I'm just guessing.  But
I'd sure like to know what to do to get mosaic installed
without having to force the depencies.

Thanks in advance.

Richard G. Roberto
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Just thought I would start here to see if I can find a solution.  I
have a Micron PCI Pentium-90 PNP system with the EIDE controllers on
the mother board.  On the primary controller I have two 1.2G Western
Digital HD's.  The master is partitioned into 2 drives all for
Win95. The slave is partitioned into 2 drives for Debian, swap and
everything else(it is a home machine).  I have a EIDE CD-ROM on the
secondary controller.  Here is the situation/problem.  If I am in
Debian and then warm boot into Win95, Win95 forgets about my CD-ROM
drive.  I have to cold boot the machine to get it back.  I have it set
as G: just in case Win95 is trying to assign the linux partitions, it
knows the second drive is there.  I am using  LILO to boot manage and
have Win95 as the default(other non-linux family members use it).

I think this is kind of a catch 22 situation.  The Linux folks will
tell me to look at the Win95 side of it and the Win95 folks will tell
me to look at the Linux side of it.

Any pointers?

Thanks

Brian Servis
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Daniel Lynes writes ("Re: Non-existent .deb's"):
> On Thu, 22 Aug 96 00:28 BST, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >If you delete the `Packages' files, or fail to download them, dselect
> >will offer to scan the .deb files that are actually on your disk.
> 
> But, this method does not use the descriptions, or dependency lists,
> either.  I kind of like that information, as it allows me to see if I'm
> trying to install something I don't have the extra files for.

This method _does_ use the descriptions and dependency information
from the packages, just like using the Packages file does.

The difference is that some of the classification
(text/electronics/... &c and standard/important/... &c) will be wrong.

Ian.


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  >> Hakan Ardo writes: > Sure it does, the only trouble with that one is
  >> that it only uses half of > the paper :) The rest is margins...
  >> 
  >> That's true. And I don't know how to solve it correctly. I just entered
  >> a latex preamble:

I always use "vmargin.sty" which allows to define the margins sizes
explicitly, and also allows me to switch from letter to a4 paper with one
command, eg
	\usepackage{vmargin}
	  \setpapersize{A4}  
	  \setmargrb{3cm}{3cm}{3cm}{3cm}
selects a4 paper (default is letter), and then sets left, top, right and
bottom margins to 3cm. Vmargin is on CTAN hosts as 
	tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/other/misc/vmargin.sty

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Michael Meskes (meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) wrote:
[...]
: It's not missing it just got deleted due to a bug in the postinst. You
: should be able to work around it by simply installing it once again.
[...]

I installed it several times, however /usr/lib/libgpm.so.* was not installed.

Another thing I noticed was that dpkg is not able to kill gpm itself, I must
do that by hand. Otherwise dpkg gets stuck during the installation.
That problem occured with gpm_1.06-1.deb already.

Martin


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Kevin M. Bealer writes ("Bugs"):
> I've submitted these two bugs to debian bugs, and got no
> response;  I submitted them again, and still got no response. 
> (Has the list address changed recently?)  I could try again, but
> then I would have to wait again, and so on, so...  (In
> otherwords, sorry for the offtopic.)

Kevin: please send them to submit@bugs.debian.org, if you haven't
already.

Bruce: this is very bad.  Could you change the Pixar alias to point to
debian-bugs@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk ?  I've made this an alias for
submit@bugs.  We know that Pixar can deliver mail here.

It is definitely very bad if messages are just disappearing and not
even bouncing.  If all else fails the alias at Pixar should be
removed.

Thanks,
Ian.


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Christoph Lameter writes ("Re: "man" crashes"):
...
> Here is the output from what you suggested:
> mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
> mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-parsechangelog.1: No such file or
> directory
> mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-parsechangelog.1: bad symlink or ROFF
> `.so' request
...
> Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
> updates.

Oops, I forgot to change the symlink target.  I'll fix this.

Ian.


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Hi Mike and Candy --

You asked:
> Can anyone clue me in as to how to transfer package 
> information to a floppy in a form that linux can recognize?tried:
> direct copy from mswindows file manager,
Does this mean you had an MS-DOS formatted diskette in your floppy drive?
i.e., After you made the copy from Windows, could you successfully execute
a DOS command like DIR A: (or B:, whichever is appropriate), and see listed
the files you thought you'd copied?

When you booted Linux, did you then make the drive accessible by executing
mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy   OR  mount -t msdos /dev/fd1 /floppy
(whichever ...), before executing dselect?

> rawrite but no go also, 
Rawrite doesn't write a file _system_ onto a disk.  It just writes bytes
starting at a specified sector.  In order for a disk written by rawrite 
to be made accessible to other commands (e.g., dselect, or just plain 'ls') 
which are interfaced to the Linux file system, you must first copy the 
appropriate sectors of the diskette into a file.  
For example, to copy the whole diskette into a file in the /tmp 
directory, you'd use (for drive A:):
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/my_file_name

Then you could tell dselect that your files were in a mounted file system,
in directory /tmp.

> booted from custom disk got message that dselectlockfile access denied,
> as well as the tragic news that the child died.

If you'd like to write and read files to a floppy that's got the 
Linux native file system on it, you must "format" the floppy using:

mke2fs /dev/fd0

Then mount the floppy using
mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /floppy

Of course, you could mount the floppy under some other directory if you want.
I'm just using the name "/floppy" because it's supplied with the base system,
and that's what it's there for.  The only advantage in using an ext2-formatted
floppy, as opposed to an MS-DOS formatted floppy is that you can use long
filenames with an ext2 formatted floppy.  The disadvantage is that you can't
read the floppies with DOS.

Be sure to unmount the floppy before you remove it from the drive.  
umount /dev/fd0

----------------------------
I'm not sure if this solves the particular problem(s) you were having.  If
not, send me private email, and I'll try to help you out.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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Randall Shutt writes ("DPKG Remapping table"):
>      Does anyone know where the dpkg remapping table is?  I need to remap
> pentium to i386 due to my recent installation of a pgcc compiler.  Trouble is,
> somehow, dpkg --print-arrcheticture returns pentium.  Tends to hose lots of
> install stuff and cause nice errors with dpkg -i.  Anyway, thanks alot.

The table is `archtable' in the source package, but it's compiled in
so you'd have to rebuild the package.

dpkg 1.3.10 will have `pentium' as an alias for `i386', and it will be
available shortly.

Ian.


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Package: base
Version: ?

Kevin Buhr writes ("Re: dselect and ftp"):
...
> You did nothing wrong: when I installed Debian 1.1.5, I noticed that
> the "dpkg-ftp" had been *automatically* deselected, and I had to
> manually fix that.  I just forgot to file a bug report about it.

Ahh, the light dawns.  dpkg-ftp had been marked as installed in the
base system, but not as selected for installation.  dselect therefore
went for the default, which was to deinstall it because its priority
was too low.

This was three bugs:
 (a) The base system should have marked it as selected for
     installation.
 (b) When something is installed but with a wanted status of `unknown'
     dselect should not want to deinstall it.  I'll fix this in dpkg
     1.3.10.
 (c) dpkg-ftp should have been in the main distribution.  This is now
     fixed in unstable, I believe.

I'm reporting this to the bug system because of (a).

Ian.


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Version: ?

Kevin Buhr writes ("Re: dselect and ftp"):
...
> You did nothing wrong: when I installed Debian 1.1.5, I noticed that
> the "dpkg-ftp" had been *automatically* deselected, and I had to
> manually fix that.  I just forgot to file a bug report about it.

Ahh, the light dawns.  dpkg-ftp had been marked as installed in the
base system, but not as selected for installation.  dselect therefore
went for the default, which was to deinstall it because its priority
was too low.

This was three bugs:
 (a) The base system should have marked it as selected for
     installation.
 (b) When something is installed but with a wanted status of `unknown'
     dselect should not want to deinstall it.  I'll fix this in dpkg
     1.3.10.
 (c) dpkg-ftp should have been in the main distribution.  This is now
     fixed in unstable, I believe.

I'm reporting this to the bug system because of (a).

Ian.


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You can find a particular .sty file (or anything else in the CTAN archives)
by visiting:
  http://www.shsu.edu/cgi-bin/ctan-index

Then enter the name of the macro you want, in this case, a4.sty, and you'll
be returned a page with links to sites that provide it.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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On 26 Aug 1996, Martin Dinkloh wrote:

> In gpm_1.06-3.deb the files libgpm.so.* are missing.
> 
> I noticed this since mc wouldn't run anymore after updating to this package.
> I have not checked if there are any other files missing.
> 
> Martin Dinkloh
> 

You need to install the libgpm1 package to get those libraries.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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I seem to have managed to set up inn to process my uucp newsfeed (never been
able to get that far with Slackware). However, I keep receiving regular
(daily) mail messages:

 >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:09:28 +0200
 >To: news
 >Subject: Cron <news@souterrain> news.daily expireover
 >X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/lib/news/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin>
 >X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
 >X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/spool/news>
 >X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=news>
 >
 >/usr/lib/news/bin/news.daily: /usr/bin/mail: No such file or directory

Can't really seem to figure out what is wrong. Indeed I do not have a
/usr/bin/mail, could it be my use of sendmail instead of smail? If anyone
has any hints on how to solve this one, I'll be very grateful!

Regards,

Erik van der Meulen
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From: david@elo.ods.com (David Engel)
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Bruce Perens writes:
> From: "Larry 'Daffy' Daffner" <vizzie@pinky.mimosa.org>
> > This is not necessarily always possible. The one case I know about is
> > when a program uses "varargs" instead of the newere, ANSI-standard
> > "stdarg".
> 
> There is no varargs.h in libc5-dev_5.2.18-9 . Maybe older versions
> contain it. 

varargs.h is provided by gcc.

David
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On 23 Aug 1996, Ed Donovan wrote:

> Andy Dougherty <doughera@fractal.phys.lafayette.edu> writes:
> 
> > Perl uses 'csh' for filename globbing (that is, for <*.*> sort of
> > constructs.)  Yes, that's strange behavior, and the dependency probably
> > will eventually be removed, but not anytime soon.
> 
> But, but...I thought it was noted, here or in the bug reports, that the
> csh-usage was an optional include, and was being taken out.  Maybe this
> is a Debian stable/unstable issue?, because my current perl, and the
> current rex/binary-i386 Packages file say:
> 
> Package: perl
> Version: 5.003-2
> Pre-Depends: libc5, libgdbm1, libdb1  

It is possible to configure perl such that it doesn't require csh.
Running 

	/usr/bin/perl -V:d_csh

shows that Darren has, in fact, done just that (for perl5.003-02),
so that for perl5.003-02, you don't need csh.  It may well be the case
that it was needed for previous versions such as the original user
was wondering about.

My remarks above (about removing the use of csh from Perl) were actually
referring to the upstream perl sources, though I see that's certainly not
obvious.   Sorry for the confusion.

    Andy Dougherty		doughera@lafcol.lafayette.edu
    Dept. of Physics
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Bruce:
> There is no varargs.h in libc5-dev_5.2.18-9 . Maybe older versions
> contain it. 

David:
> varargs.h is provided by gcc.

Oops. Never thought of that. Anyway, nothing should use it any longer.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Does anyone know how to use procmail with popclient?
When configured to use procmail, popclient exits saying that it
can't exec a few things. Any hints? :-)

Oh, and does anyone know how to establish a serial connection between
DOS and a debian box???

Thanx for the help...



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Ooops, I meant a null-modem connection.


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I'm still trying to get a grip on the whole theory of debian package =
installations and I have a few questions about how one should go about =
modifying an installation.

I just installed the apache package. The debian installation sets up =
apache to run out of the rc.d stuff but I want it to run under inetd =
(it's for "intranet" access and security is more important than speed). =
What's the "right" way to make this modification? To take apache out of =
the start-up process should I:

Change the apache script in /etc/init.d to just exit whenever its =
called?

Run "update-rc.d apache remove" (this generates the error: "update-rc.d: =
error: /etc/init.d/apache exists during rc.d purge)?

Just delete apache from /etc/init.d and its symlinks in all the =
/etc/rc.d directories?

I guess the right way to fix this problem would be to change the apache =
.deb package installation script stuff so it allowed for either type of =
installation and then future upgrades (or purges) would be done =
correctly?

What about installing non-debianized programs into my system. I've seen =
people refer to installing all non-debian stuff in /usr/local. Why? I'm =
writing a lot of little perl script utilities for my system. Should they =
all go in /usr/local? What about the configuration files for the perl =
script utilities I write. I've been putting them in /etc, should they go =
someplace?

Thanks in advance for answers to any of my questions.

Al Youngwerth
alberty@apexxtech.com

BTW is someone working on upgrading the debian apache package to 1.1.1?


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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> package and I got a dependency error.  Mosaic needs libpng
> and zlib1.  I have libgr installed.  Although libgr does not
> conflict with these two other packages, they conflict with
> it.

libgr is an obsolete package.  Its functionality is replaced by
libtiff, zlib1, libpng, and a few others.


Guy


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Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> writes:
>  In my 1.1 installation notes, I just have the users make one filesystem
> for simplicity's sake, and the resulting system does not seem to be any less
> robust, going by the number of complaints. Of course the user can get fancy
> once they know what they are doing.

  Funny how the mind works.  This made me think of the following
  suggestion for the installation which will help those who like to
  make lots of partitions.

  Currently, for me, one of the longest parts of the base installation
  is creating the filesystems.  One filesystem at a time you have to:
  a) choose to create a filesystem; b) choose a particular filesystem;
  c) elect to check for bad blocks and then after the check is done;
  d) choose a mount point.  I only have four additional Linux
  filesystems other than /, but this gets old real fast, especially
  when battling with NT and bleeding edge hardware and doing this over
  and over and over....

  Ideally, it would be nice to have a form listing all the linux
  partitions.  Here, the mount point for each can be chosen.
  Prompting for the check for bad blocks would only happen once, and
  the filesystems would be created and mounted at one time so one
  could do other things which this is going on.

  If such a form isn't possible within the current constraints, a good
  compromise would be to allow the user to create all the filesystems
  *before popping back to the main menu*.  First the user should be
  asked whether to check for bad blocks for all filesystems created,
  then he should enter the mount points in turn, and then finally, all
  the filesystems should be created at once.

  The idea with all this installation stuff is to avoid having user
  actions interspersed with automatic actions that take a while.  This
  also goes for dpkg -GROEB --configure--all the packages that require
  user intervention for setup should be postponed until last.

  Thanks.

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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Brian K Servis wrote:

> Just thought I would start here to see if I can find a solution.  I
> have a Micron PCI Pentium-90 PNP system with the EIDE controllers on
> the mother board.  On the primary controller I have two 1.2G Western
> Digital HD's.  The master is partitioned into 2 drives all for
> Win95. The slave is partitioned into 2 drives for Debian, swap and
> everything else(it is a home machine).  I have a EIDE CD-ROM on the
> secondary controller.  Here is the situation/problem.  If I am in
> Debian and then warm boot into Win95, Win95 forgets about my CD-ROM
> drive.  I have to cold boot the machine to get it back.  I have it set
> as G: just in case Win95 is trying to assign the linux partitions, it
> knows the second drive is there.  I am using  LILO to boot manage and
> have Win95 as the default(other non-linux family members use it).
> 

Your problem might be with the way Windows95 is set up.  I had a problem 
with Windows95 and a Hitachi CDROM on the second controller.  Windows95 
would not recognize it unless I changed the driver to the standard IDE 
controller as opposed to the bus-mastering controller.  The hard disks 
work fine with the bus-mastering controller on the primary interface.  
The fix is to go into the registry editor and work your way to:

MyComputer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\hdc

This will contain 4 entries

Entry 0000 is always set to the "Standard IDE/ESDI hard Disk Controller"

Entry 0001 describes the overall dual port IDE controller and is probably 
set to something like "Intel 82371FB Bus Master IDE Controllers"

Entry 0002 is the setting for the primary interface and is probably set to 
the following:
	Devloader:	*IOS
	DriverDesc:	"Primary Bus Master IDE Controller"
	InfPath:	IDEATAPI.INF
	InfSection:	BMIDE_Child
	PortDriver:	ideatapi.mpd

Entry 0003 will probably be set up exactly as 0002 but I have changed it 
as follows to accomodate the CDROM problem:
	DevLoader:	*IOS
	DriverDesc:	"Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller"
	InfPath:	IDEATAPI.INF
	InfSection:	BMIDE_Child
	PortDriver:	ESDI_506.pdr

This fix has solved my problem and it might be that you are seeing the 
same kind of effect when you warm boot, since Linux handles the CDROM 
with no problems at all times.  The only difference is that on a cold 
boot to Windows95, the CDROM was never visible before the change.

Cheers,

Carlo



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Jim,

  My binary of Crack v4.1f that I compiled a couple of years ago (with
  ufc-crypt I believe) works fine under Debian 1.1.  I haven't tried
  to recompile it though.  I'd be happy to ship the binary to you in a
  pinch if you trust me (MH viamail or ftp preferred).

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.93.960825071446.6160B-100000@waterf.org>,
Christoph Lameter  <clameter@fuller.edu> wrote:
>?? Why double the work. This was an ad for the debianized version.

Oh I am sorry. I misunderstood. I've been keeping a debianized version of squid
since squid 1.0.3 at least, and I've been emailing with the original maintainer
(Craig Sanders) about it. It has been my intent for quite some time to make
the Interim release but I didn't hear anything anymore from Craig.

Oh well.

Mike.
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I've done some statistics regarding irqtune and kernels 2.0.14 and 
2.0.15.

The protocol was the following:
1) ftp to my ISP
2) put a file
3) get the same file 10 times with a 'mget file file <etc...>'

I timed only the 'GET', not the 'PUT' as Linux buffers outgoing 
packets and tricks the figures.

Test I was done on a 2.0.14 kernel with a 100kb nul file (dd 
if=/dev/zero...)
Test II was done on a 2.0.14 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb nul file.
Test III was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with a 100kb nul file.
Test IV was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb nul file.
Test V was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with a 100kb random file.
Test VI was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb random 
file.

The same phone line was used for tests I and II, III and IV, and V 
and VI.
That is I didn't disconnect between I and II, III and IV and V and VI.
However I rebooted and disconnected between II and III, IV and V.

Here are the timings as reported by ftp, as well as the transfer 
rates as reported by ftp.
Then come the average figures for timings and transfer rates. The 
average for transfer rates were computed from the average time 
(100kb/<avg. time>).
Finnaly, I computed standard deviance for timings (not for transfer 
rate, they should be the same as timings if I remember correctly my 
stats (arghhh) lessons).

	  I          II        III         IV         V          VI
Count Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 1    56.4  1.8  27.2  3.7  59.2  1.7  27.3  3.7  67.2  1.5  26.9  3.7
 2    68.2  1.5  27.2  3.7  77.0  1.3  36.5  2.7  44.9  2.2  26.9  3.7
 3    40.7  2.5  41.0  2.4  58.4  1.7  27.1  3.7  80.0  1.2  26.9  3.7
 4    56.7  1.8  37.0  2.7  55.5  1.8  27.0  3.7  47.6  2.1  27.0  3.7
 5    63.0  1.6  36.6  2.7  44.8  2.2  41.1  2.4  68.1  1.5  27.0  3.7
 6    65.9  1.5  36.5  2.7  58.0  1.7  41.1  2.4  45.6  2.2  26.9  3.7
 7    68.9  1.5  41.2  2.4  46.2  2.2  41.0  2.4  62.1  1.6  26.9  3.7
 8    55.9  1.8  41.1  2.4  55.4  1.8  41.2  2.4  46.4  2.2  26.9  3.7
 9    73.2  1.4  42.2  2.4  70.0  1.4  36.5  2.7  60.4  1.7  27.0  3.7
10    42.8  2.3  36.6  2.7  60.8  1.6  27.2  3.7  48.6  2.1  26.9  3.7
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Avg.  59.17 1.7  36.66 2.7  58.53 1.7  34.60 2.9  57.09 1.7  26.93 3.7
Dev.  10.32       5.18       9.15       6.31      11.58       0.05

The figures are quite clear. Irqtune really improves my serial 
performances, even with kernel 2.0.15 (see previous messages, 2.0.15 
included a patch which might have helped serial performance).
What I don't understand is why a file consisting of zeros only do not 
get the same transfer rate as a random file. I suspect an obscure PPP
problem.

My machine is an AMD DX2-66 with 32MB RAM, 32MB swap, and I have fast 
serial controllers (16550A). The modem is an external 33.6 V.34/V.FC 
Cardinal connected to my ISP which has 33.6 too.

I'm not subscribed to the linux kernel mailing list, but you can 
forward this message over there.

I stick with irqtune right now. BTW, I saw no ill side effect when 
using it.

Phil.



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I am assembling a collection of chat scripts in support of an effort by
our Debain developers to generate this information during setup.  We need
your help because the proceedure for logging in and starting ppp
frames varies from ISP to ISP.  With a reasonable database, most of the
variations can be anticipated.

If you would like to help, please send me the following (assuming you
use ppp and chat):

- Name and location of your ISP
- contents of your /etc/ppp/options file (if empty, so state)
- SANITIZED contents of your chat script
- command line that you use to fire up ppp
- If pppd is invoked from a shell script, I need that script
- Any other files/information/proceedures needed to bring up ppp on your
    machine
- If you use a secrets file, say what kind.  I don't need the file.

Please sanitize this information before you send it to me.  I suggest
replacing your real username, password, and ISP phone number with
myusername, mypassword, and 555-1212.  Above all please do not send me
any information that could cause problems for you if it fell into
the wrong hands.  To be of use, I will have to put your information in
a place where others can get to it.  I will not intentionally deliver it
into the hands of crackers, but I make no guarentees.

If your scripts work, I want them.  Even if they are not pretty,
even if they fail sometimes.  If your scripts fail sometimes, tell me so.
If you do anything that you think might be out of the ordinary, please
tell me about that.

If you don't use chat, please describe your proceedure to bring up ppp
as precisely as possible and include the contents of supporting files
(example, a Seyon script).  Remember to sanitize.

If you use slip or some variant of slip supported by Debain, I'd like your
information also.  I don't use slip so I can't as specific as my request
for ppp - chat info, but I think you have the idea.

Please send your submissions to me by private e-mail.  Thanks in
advance for your help.

Mike Taylor


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I'd just like to make sure my apology gets through for giving incorrect 
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Again, sorry, I wasn't thinking...

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  Erik>  Can't really seem to figure out what is wrong. Indeed I do not have
  Erik> a /usr/bin/mail, could it be my use of sendmail instead of smail? If
  Erik> anyone has any hints on how to solve this one, I'll be very grateful!

Install the "mailx" package, it provides the simple /usr/bin/mail that is so
handy for scripts. If the inn package you use does not depend on mailx, you
should report this as a bug.

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There have been a lot of posts about procmail, so I thought I'd jump in
with a question too.

I've installed procmail, but haven't done anything with it yet.

I use Netscape for a mail reader at home and office. It only uses file
locking on the system mail spool (the Inbox), not any of the folders
that it uses and maintains.

I figure (and Netscape sortof warns) that using a mail filter like
procmail or mailagent that intercepts mail and writes it to Netscape's
folders would be asking for trouble.

So, I figure I need a program to use as an external movemail program for
Netscape (I've been using its internal one) that has the smarts of a
mail filter.

Can procmail or mailagent be used as a batch "movemail" program like
this?
I figure that it would be safe, since it would only be executed by
Netscape when I click the GetMail button. It's not hard to remember not
to do anything else within the Netscape mail reader while it's
processing the button that I just clicked to get new mail.

Whether or not the above is possible, is there some other way to safely
combine a mail filter program and a mail reader that doesn't use locks
on it's mail folders?

-- 
...RickM...


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Wayne Schlitt <zuul!backbone!wayne@worldtlk.worldtalk.com> writes:
> > As Jim Worthington said:
> > > 
> > > I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
> > > system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
> > > login.
> 
> 
> Just another data point....  I just copied my passwords from my SVR4
> Dell Unix system to Linux, and they worked fine.

  And another data point (for Crack).  My old binary of Crack works on
  Debian 1.1, HP-UX 9.*, and SunOS password files also.  I also
  recompiled it and it still works on the SunOS file.

  Also tried logging in with an HP-UX password.  Also worked fine in 1.1.

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  Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
  Sven Rudolph, sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de
  $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.21 1996/08/26 20:29:54 sr1 Exp sr1 $

  1.  General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian GNU/Linux

  Please read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.	The Debian GNU/Linux WWW server
  is at http://www.debian.org/ , the FAQ is located at
  http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ (This copy might be out of date). The FAQ
  is available via FTP at ftp.debian.org:/debian/doc .

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  This document is intended to identify areas that need your
  contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
  often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

  1.3.	Feedback

  Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
  Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de.  Please mention to which version of
  this document your comments refer.

  2.  Packages that have no current maintainer

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian (unless they
  have too many bugs), but the maintainer had reasons to not continue
  maintaining it. (Remember: Debian is mainly produced by volunteers who
  are not paid for maintaining Debian packages.)

  If you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package, send
  me an e-mail.

  If you believe that the following list is incomplete, i.e., that there
  are other packages in the Debian distribution that currently have no
  active maintainer, send me an e-mail.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, send me
  an e-mail.

  previously maintained by Ian Murdock imurdock@debian.org :
  o  acm
  o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
  o  pmake

  previously maintained by DJ Gregor dgregor@gregor.com :
  o  biff
  o  cdtool
  o  unclutter
  o  workbone
  o  xwpe

  others :
  o  elm
  o  ifrench, igerman

  3.  Packages that the maintainer wants to give away

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian, but the
  maintainer wants to find a new maintainer. It isn't as urgent to find
  a new maintainer as in the previous section.

  If you maintain Debian packages that you would like to hand off, send
  me an e-mail, then I will add this package to this section.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, write
  to the current maintainer of this package.

  currently maintained by Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  seyon

  currently maintained by Christian Linhart chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at :
  o  statserial
  o  tgif
  o  xarchie

  currently maintained by Jim Robinson jimr@simons-rock.edu :
  o  pari

  currently maintained by Michael Meskes meskes@Informatik.RWTH-
  Aachen.DE :
  o  xsysinfo
  o  xcolors
  o  xautolock

  currently maintained by Richard Kettlewell richard@greenend.org.uk :
  o  aout-svgalib
  o  svgalib1
  o  svgalib1-bin
  o  svgalib1-dev

  currently maintained by Andrew D. Fernandes adfernan@cnd.mcgill.ca :
  o  acs

  4.  Packages that someone is working on

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

  If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
  responsible person listed below.

  Chris Fearnley cjf@netaxs.com :
  o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
  o  and probably : xli, Tix, povray

  krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) :
  o  CLX - Common Lisp Xlib implementation
  o  PCL - Portable Common Loops for GCL

  Richard Kaszeta kaszeta@me.umn.edu :
  o  xmotd

  Mike Wilson cmwilson@uncc.edu :
  o  mule

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  xbill
  o  LPRng

  "behan (b.) webster" behanw@bnr.ca
  o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)
  o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

  wendal@onyx.southwind.net:
  o  tkHTML

  Darren torin@daft.com :
  o  mew, giftool

  Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca :
  o  BBDB (for Emacs: Big Brother Data Base, a rolodex with hooks into
     VM, GNUS, and RMAIL)

  Michael Alan Dorman mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu :
  o  glimpsehttpd

  Warwick Harvey warwick@cs.mu.OZ.AU :
  o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
     strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

  Patrick.Weemeeuw@kulnet.KULeuven.ac.be :
  o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
     http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

  marcus@sysc.pdx.edu :
  o  CLISP

  David H. Silber dhs@firefly.com :
  o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
  o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
  o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
     uucp package.
  o  latex2html

  Karl R. Sackett krs@caos.aamu.edu :
  o  libXg - UTF-2 fonts for Sam and 9term
  o  faces - visual list monitor

  Brian Sulcer bsulcer@gibson.com :
  o  vile (vi-like editor)
  o  rogue
  o  umoria

  Martin Schulze joey@infodrom.north.de :
  o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

  Michael Shields shields@crosslink.net :
  o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
  o  nntplink

  Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com :
  o  spice (circuit simulation package)
  o  gforth

  Billy Chow billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk :
  o  koules
  o  xbomb

  Alan Bain afrb2@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :
  o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

  Ed Petron epetron@leba.net :
  o  tkps (tk-based "top")

  Christophe Le Bars clebars@teaser.fr :
  o  Caml (A small, portable implementation of the ML language.)
  o  Objective Caml: Caml dialect extended with a complete class-based
     object system
  o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml

  Yves Arrouye arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> :
  o  ppd-gs (a set of PPD files for my Ghostscript drivers)
  o  btoa

  Erick Branderhorst branderh@debian.org :
  o  awk2c

  Jon Rabone 93jkr@eng.cam.ac.uk :
  o  SISCAD

  Christian Lynbech lynbech@daimi.aau.dk :
  o  ilisp (emacs interface to a number of lisp systems)
  o  calc  (emacs calculator package)
  o  hyperbole (emacs hypertext/info management system)
  o  oobr (emacs package for browsing OO programs)
  o  STk (Scheme Tk, a scheme interpreter with Tk support)

  Lee Olds olds@eskimo.com :
  o  Qt

  Christian Hudon chrish@debian.org :
  o  qmail

  Christoph Lameter clameter@fuller.edu :
  o  smartlist

  Tim Cutts tim@scalopus.bio.cam.ac.uk :
  o  exim (a mail transfer agent,
     ftp://cus.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programs/exim)

  5.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.

  If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.

  5.1.	Programming and development:

  o  UPS - the X-based debugger.  Probably not worth building until
     we've switched to ELF. (There are Linux-specific patches around.)
  o  checker
  o  Scheme->C
  o  SCM - Scheme interpreter which will soon be the basis of the GNU
     extension language.
  o  SLIB.
  o  CLISP - Common Lisp interpreter
  o  ECoLisp - a Common Lisp compiler that produces faster code but
     isn't as widely used as GCL
  o  CLiCC - Common Lisp compiler that generates stand-alone apps
     (rather large ones, though)
  o  Modula-3 (
     http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/modula-3/html/srcm3.html )

  5.2.	USENET news software:

  o  strn.

  5.3.	Math packages:

  o  SC (the spreadsheet). (oleo is already available)
  o  SciLab
  o  Yorick
  o  MuPAD (computer algebra tool from University of Paderborn, Germany
     http://gauss-mb.uni-paderborn.de/ cube/ , please look at the
     license conditions.)
  o  calctool
  o  felt
  o  LAPACK and BLAS (numerical libraries,
     http://nils.wustl.edu/schiotz/lapack-linux.html )

  5.4.	Graphics:

  o  Kubota Graphics Corporation's now-PD 3-D visualization system,
     Dore'.

  5.5.	Misc Tools:

  o  binhex

  5.6.	Editors:

  o  NEdit ( http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html , requires Motif)
  o  jed (small emacs-like)

  5.7.	Games:

  o  rocks and diamonds
  o  xgalaga (space-invaders style game)
  o  xibc (backgammon)
  o  xevil
  o  xjewel
  o  xgammon

  5.8.	X11:

  o  Andrew
  o  plan (calender with many functions)
  o  grok (database with many functions)
  o  xmem
  o  xidle
  o  xmcd (ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xmcd/xmcd-2.0.README)
  o  olvwm

  5.9.	Communication

  o  BBS (Bulletin Board System) Software
  o  hylafax (http://www.vix.com/hylafax) a fax server with add-ons for
     alphanumeric paging

  5.10.	TeX

  o  tmview (svgalib DVI viewer) Kpathsea support should be added and
     the original author is already aware of this. Contact him first.

  5.11.	Networking

  o  other www servers (Spinner ( http://spinner.infovav.se/ ), WN (
     http://hopf.math.nwu.edu/docs/overview.html) )
  o  xinetd (replacement for inetd with many enhancements)
  o  ftptool

  5.12.	System Tools

  o  IBCS2 emulator

  5.13.	Text utilities

  o  HTML editors (tkHTML, asWedit, auc-html.el)
  o  mpage (GNU enscript is already available)
  o  texi2html

  6.  Programs that someone should write

  This section contains suggestions/wishes for programs. There is no
  known implementation of such a program for Linux.

  o  amspell (ms-dos) like spell checker, i.e. a spell checker what
     checks the complete text first, searching for alternatives (on the
     fly) and asking for user action at the very end of the checking
     process. This saves much time on low memory machines.



-- 
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  Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
  Sven Rudolph, sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de
  $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.21 1996/08/26 20:29:54 sr1 Exp sr1 $

  1.  General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian GNU/Linux

  Please read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.	The Debian GNU/Linux WWW server
  is at http://www.debian.org/ , the FAQ is located at
  http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ (This copy might be out of date). The FAQ
  is available via FTP at ftp.debian.org:/debian/doc .

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  This document is intended to identify areas that need your
  contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
  often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

  1.3.	Feedback

  Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
  Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de.  Please mention to which version of
  this document your comments refer.

  2.  Packages that have no current maintainer

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian (unless they
  have too many bugs), but the maintainer had reasons to not continue
  maintaining it. (Remember: Debian is mainly produced by volunteers who
  are not paid for maintaining Debian packages.)

  If you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package, send
  me an e-mail.

  If you believe that the following list is incomplete, i.e., that there
  are other packages in the Debian distribution that currently have no
  active maintainer, send me an e-mail.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, send me
  an e-mail.

  previously maintained by Ian Murdock imurdock@debian.org :
  o  acm
  o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
  o  pmake

  previously maintained by DJ Gregor dgregor@gregor.com :
  o  biff
  o  cdtool
  o  unclutter
  o  workbone
  o  xwpe

  others :
  o  elm
  o  ifrench, igerman

  3.  Packages that the maintainer wants to give away

  Packages listed in this section are still part of Debian, but the
  maintainer wants to find a new maintainer. It isn't as urgent to find
  a new maintainer as in the previous section.

  If you maintain Debian packages that you would like to hand off, send
  me an e-mail, then I will add this package to this section.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, write
  to the current maintainer of this package.

  currently maintained by Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  seyon

  currently maintained by Christian Linhart chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at :
  o  statserial
  o  tgif
  o  xarchie

  currently maintained by Jim Robinson jimr@simons-rock.edu :
  o  pari

  currently maintained by Michael Meskes meskes@Informatik.RWTH-
  Aachen.DE :
  o  xsysinfo
  o  xcolors
  o  xautolock

  currently maintained by Richard Kettlewell richard@greenend.org.uk :
  o  aout-svgalib
  o  svgalib1
  o  svgalib1-bin
  o  svgalib1-dev

  currently maintained by Andrew D. Fernandes adfernan@cnd.mcgill.ca :
  o  acs

  4.  Packages that someone is working on

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

  If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
  responsible person listed below.

  Chris Fearnley cjf@netaxs.com :
  o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
  o  and probably : xli, Tix, povray

  krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) :
  o  CLX - Common Lisp Xlib implementation
  o  PCL - Portable Common Loops for GCL

  Richard Kaszeta kaszeta@me.umn.edu :
  o  xmotd

  Mike Wilson cmwilson@uncc.edu :
  o  mule

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  xbill
  o  LPRng

  "behan (b.) webster" behanw@bnr.ca
  o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)
  o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

  wendal@onyx.southwind.net:
  o  tkHTML

  Darren torin@daft.com :
  o  mew, giftool

  Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca :
  o  BBDB (for Emacs: Big Brother Data Base, a rolodex with hooks into
     VM, GNUS, and RMAIL)

  Michael Alan Dorman mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu :
  o  glimpsehttpd

  Warwick Harvey warwick@cs.mu.OZ.AU :
  o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
     strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

  Patrick.Weemeeuw@kulnet.KULeuven.ac.be :
  o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
     http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

  marcus@sysc.pdx.edu :
  o  CLISP

  David H. Silber dhs@firefly.com :
  o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
  o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
  o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
     uucp package.
  o  latex2html

  Karl R. Sackett krs@caos.aamu.edu :
  o  libXg - UTF-2 fonts for Sam and 9term
  o  faces - visual list monitor

  Brian Sulcer bsulcer@gibson.com :
  o  vile (vi-like editor)
  o  rogue
  o  umoria

  Martin Schulze joey@infodrom.north.de :
  o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

  Michael Shields shields@crosslink.net :
  o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
  o  nntplink

  Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com :
  o  spice (circuit simulation package)
  o  gforth

  Billy Chow billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk :
  o  koules
  o  xbomb

  Alan Bain afrb2@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :
  o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

  Ed Petron epetron@leba.net :
  o  tkps (tk-based "top")

  Christophe Le Bars clebars@teaser.fr :
  o  Caml (A small, portable implementation of the ML language.)
  o  Objective Caml: Caml dialect extended with a complete class-based
     object system
  o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml

  Yves Arrouye arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> :
  o  ppd-gs (a set of PPD files for my Ghostscript drivers)
  o  btoa

  Erick Branderhorst branderh@debian.org :
  o  awk2c

  Jon Rabone 93jkr@eng.cam.ac.uk :
  o  SISCAD

  Christian Lynbech lynbech@daimi.aau.dk :
  o  ilisp (emacs interface to a number of lisp systems)
  o  calc  (emacs calculator package)
  o  hyperbole (emacs hypertext/info management system)
  o  oobr (emacs package for browsing OO programs)
  o  STk (Scheme Tk, a scheme interpreter with Tk support)

  Lee Olds olds@eskimo.com :
  o  Qt

  Christian Hudon chrish@debian.org :
  o  qmail

  Christoph Lameter clameter@fuller.edu :
  o  smartlist

  Tim Cutts tim@scalopus.bio.cam.ac.uk :
  o  exim (a mail transfer agent,
     ftp://cus.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programs/exim)

  5.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.

  If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.

  5.1.	Programming and development:

  o  UPS - the X-based debugger.  Probably not worth building until
     we've switched to ELF. (There are Linux-specific patches around.)
  o  checker
  o  Scheme->C
  o  SCM - Scheme interpreter which will soon be the basis of the GNU
     extension language.
  o  SLIB.
  o  CLISP - Common Lisp interpreter
  o  ECoLisp - a Common Lisp compiler that produces faster code but
     isn't as widely used as GCL
  o  CLiCC - Common Lisp compiler that generates stand-alone apps
     (rather large ones, though)
  o  Modula-3 (
     http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/modula-3/html/srcm3.html )

  5.2.	USENET news software:

  o  strn.

  5.3.	Math packages:

  o  SC (the spreadsheet). (oleo is already available)
  o  SciLab
  o  Yorick
  o  MuPAD (computer algebra tool from University of Paderborn, Germany
     http://gauss-mb.uni-paderborn.de/ cube/ , please look at the
     license conditions.)
  o  calctool
  o  felt
  o  LAPACK and BLAS (numerical libraries,
     http://nils.wustl.edu/schiotz/lapack-linux.html )

  5.4.	Graphics:

  o  Kubota Graphics Corporation's now-PD 3-D visualization system,
     Dore'.

  5.5.	Misc Tools:

  o  binhex

  5.6.	Editors:

  o  NEdit ( http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html , requires Motif)
  o  jed (small emacs-like)

  5.7.	Games:

  o  rocks and diamonds
  o  xgalaga (space-invaders style game)
  o  xibc (backgammon)
  o  xevil
  o  xjewel
  o  xgammon

  5.8.	X11:

  o  Andrew
  o  plan (calender with many functions)
  o  grok (database with many functions)
  o  xmem
  o  xidle
  o  xmcd (ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xmcd/xmcd-2.0.README)
  o  olvwm

  5.9.	Communication

  o  BBS (Bulletin Board System) Software
  o  hylafax (http://www.vix.com/hylafax) a fax server with add-ons for
     alphanumeric paging

  5.10.	TeX

  o  tmview (svgalib DVI viewer) Kpathsea support should be added and
     the original author is already aware of this. Contact him first.

  5.11.	Networking

  o  other www servers (Spinner ( http://spinner.infovav.se/ ), WN (
     http://hopf.math.nwu.edu/docs/overview.html) )
  o  xinetd (replacement for inetd with many enhancements)
  o  ftptool

  5.12.	System Tools

  o  IBCS2 emulator

  5.13.	Text utilities

  o  HTML editors (tkHTML, asWedit, auc-html.el)
  o  mpage (GNU enscript is already available)
  o  texi2html

  6.  Programs that someone should write

  This section contains suggestions/wishes for programs. There is no
  known implementation of such a program for Linux.

  o  amspell (ms-dos) like spell checker, i.e. a spell checker what
     checks the complete text first, searching for alternatives (on the
     fly) and asking for user action at the very end of the checking
     process. This saves much time on low memory machines.



-- 
Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de> ; WWW : http://www.sax.de/~sr1/


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Hello folks.

I am having a strange problem trying to have an xconsole window
working under my own login.  I use a .xsession file to set up
certain windows and apps I like to have available when I log in.

Seems that because I have this .xsession file in there, I cannot
get an xconsole window to work.  The window comes up, but in the
window is the message "Couldn't open console".  If I remove the
.xsession file, the xconsole comes up fine.  Here is the important
stuff from the .xsession file:

#!bin/bash
DISPLAY=:0.0
export DISPLAY
xconsole -g 490x200-20-50 &
...

Has anyone else encountered and solved this problem?  A kind reader of
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variable in my .bashrc, which I plan to try ASAP.  Any other ideas
out there?

TIA!


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How could I use filter to filter the mail from mailing lists (such as 
this one) into different folders.  The only thing, I could think of is if 
there would be a way to do it based on the CC: line, but I didn't see an 
option in there to do filter based on the CC: line.  

Also, I was wondering if it is possible to filter the mail, and forward 
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One more thing, has anyone had pgp and pine work well together.  Elm 
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  Miro>  Does anyone know how to use procmail with popclient?  When
  Miro> configured to use procmail, popclient exits saying that it can't exec
  Miro> a few things. Any hints? :-)

The two are unrelated. I use popclient as in 
	popclient -3 -P <file_with_password> <hostname>
to grab the mail.

Procmail gets into the picture via the ~/.forward file once popclient has the
mail delivered locally (which uses smail on my box).  I explained the
.forward and .procmail setup in a couple of mails here recently, email me if
you can't find a copy. Otherwise, the procmail doc included in the package is
pretty good.

--
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I'm have these two problems lately:

1) My Cirrus Logic GD5434 works fine in 8bpp mode, but produces
streaks at 16bpp. Has anyone had the same problem? Is the SVGA
XF86 server bugged, my video timings screwed, or my monitor to blame?

2) Ever since I upgraded to the latest xterm-color, I can't get a
colorized ls. Can anyone help??

Thanx for your time... :-)



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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

>
> Oh, and does anyone know how to establish a serial connection between
> DOS and a debian box???
>
I think that you can do this with samba.  I beleive that samba is
available as a Debain package.

Mike



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ive been on this list so long i cant remember how to unsubscribe

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Miquel van Smoorenburg (miquels@drinkel.cistron.nl) wrote:
: In article <Pine.LNX.3.93.960825071446.6160B-100000@waterf.org>,
: Christoph Lameter  <clameter@fuller.edu> wrote:
: >?? Why double the work. This was an ad for the debianized version.
: 
: Oh I am sorry. I misunderstood. I've been keeping a debianized version of squid
: since squid 1.0.3 at least, and I've been emailing with the original maintainer
: (Craig Sanders) about it. It has been my intent for quite some time to make
: the Interim release but I didn't hear anything anymore from Craig.
: 
: Oh well.
Your version is much better than mine. Running your squid now and have removed mine
from ftp.fuller.edu. Thanks.


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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:

> Test I was done on a 2.0.14 kernel with a 100kb nul file (dd 
> if=/dev/zero...)
> Test II was done on a 2.0.14 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb nul file.
> Test III was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with a 100kb nul file.
> Test IV was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb nul file.
> Test V was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with a 100kb random file.
> Test VI was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb random 
> file.

> 	  I          II        III         IV         V          VI
> Count Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Avg.  59.17 1.7  36.66 2.7  58.53 1.7  34.60 2.9  57.09 1.7  26.93 3.7
> Dev.  10.32       5.18       9.15       6.31      11.58       0.05
> 
> The figures are quite clear. Irqtune really improves my serial 
> performances, even with kernel 2.0.15 (see previous messages, 2.0.15 
> included a patch which might have helped serial performance).
> What I don't understand is why a file consisting of zeros only do not 
> get the same transfer rate as a random file. 

If I understand your data, you're saying you get a much faster
transfer rate with the random file over the all-zeros file, right?
This is very bizarre.  The random file and a file consisting of all
zeros should *not* get the same transfer rate on any modern modem
which does hardware compression (most do).  The all zeros file should
get a much faster transfer rate than the random file.  The reason is
that it is not possible to compress a random file so the best transfer
rate possible would be the line speed (28.8 kbs for a 28.8 modem).  A
file of all zeros is easily compressible so you should do much better
(theoretically 115200 kbs for a 28.8 modem which does hardware
compression but in practice probably much less).

Are you sure your numbers are right?  If so, perhaps you're still
getting overruns even with irqtune, but now much less.  But the
all-zeros file is getting transferred so fast (because of the
compression) that it is seeing many more overruns than the random file
and correcting the overruns is slower than just transferring the file
at the slower rate that the random file is being transfered at.

> I suspect an obscure PPP problem.

I suspect you're right.  Have you set up PPP to use hardware flow
control?  Have you enabled hardware flow control with your modem init
string (it may be the default anyway)?  Are you setting the port speed
to 115200?

Another possibility is that your 16550A UART is not what it claims to be. 
With a non-buffered (8250) UART, I've seen this kind of behavior of faster
transfers actually becoming slower because of the overruns.  I suspect
that irqtune would have much more of an impact on that type of UART as
well.

You might want to try using a communications program like minicom and see
what kind of transfer rates you get there.  This might help isolate
whether it's really a serial problem or a PPP problem. 

Gerry



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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> So, I figure I need a program to use as an external movemail program for
> Netscape (I've been using its internal one) that has the smarts of a
> mail filter.
> 
> Can procmail or mailagent be used as a batch "movemail" program like
> this?

Yes, procmail comes with a sample script for doing this with procmail.
Since my system doesn't allow forwarding to a program (grrrrr), I just run
this script that I call 'getmail' from my login shell.  I suppose it would
work as you want with netscape, but I can't guarantee anything.  Procmail
can use local locks on the folders which I assume that netscape would
honor, but I haven't tried it.  Appended is the 'getmail' script.

Tony.

#!/bin/sh
ORGMAIL=/var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME
if cd $HOME &&
test -s $ORGMAIL &&
lockfile -r0 -l1024 .newmail.lock 2>/dev/null
then
trap "rm -f .newmail.lock" 1 2 3 13 15
umask 077
lockfile -l1024 -ml
cat $ORGMAIL >>.newmail &&
cat /dev/null >$ORGMAIL
lockfile -mu
formail -s procmail <.newmail &&
rm -f .newmail
rm -f .newmail.lock
fi
exit 0





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Hello All,

   I finally got around to upgrading my 93R6 syatem upto 1.1.5 (at least
that's what the I-Connect CD says). The X11 install went fine (used a saved
copy of XF86Config) until I try to start X. It complains that it can't open
the mouse which is set to /dev/psaux. This files exists and has the right
permissions, major and minor numbers:

> ls -al /dev/psaux
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   1 Dec 31  1969 /dev/psaux

   If I try to "cat" the file, though, I get the following error:

> cat /dev/psaux
cat: /dev/psaux: No such device

   I think I'm missing a driver, but I certainly don't see anything
resembling "PS/2 mouse driver" during the "Configure Drivers" portion of the
install. I would have expected this to be built into the Standard kernel
(which is the one I selected). Does anyone know what I'm missing and how to
install it?

Thanks in advance,

Bob
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Hello,

Re: 2 "versions" of squid 1.0.9

> >?? Why double the work.

We should not do that but I have used 1.0.7 from Miquel.
It runs under RunCache as the user "proxy" with the logfile
paths compiled in e.t.c.

What I am trying to say (my native language is Icelandic :-)
is that we could have a consensus about configuration and
deal with problems relating to the install scripts together.
For example I have the cache partitions mounted in the root
but would be willing to move them for compatibility.

Also things relating to md (RAID), performance and kernel
hacking could be things we should work on and possibly end
up with a special kernel and/or a HOWTO.

> This was an ad for the debianized version.

So then this is an ad for a squid optimized debian :-)

Best Regards
Gudmundur Ragnar
ragnar@here.is
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Hello, I was wondering why debian's terminfo doesnt display the differnces 
between char chars ^B, ^_ or combinations. For example with redhat or
slackware ^B == BOLD, which is true with debian as well. However ^_ with
redhat and slackware is == Cyan, and ^B+^_ is == bright cyan. With debian
^_ is == to BOLD, and combinations of ^B+^_ is == to normal. I was
wondering if someone could explain to me how I could make terminfo respond
to these control chars the same way as termcap does in slackware or
Redhat. Thanks.

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> 
> Ooops, I meant a null-modem connection.
> 
> 

I have an old PC XT-compatible hooked up to my 486 with a null-modem
cable. I added a getty for it (COM2 == ttyS1) in my /etc/inittab file:

#  <id>:<runlevels>:<action>:<process>
0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 19200,9600 ttyS1 vt100


--gilbert
______________________________________________________________________
Gilbert Ramirez Jr.                     gram@merece.uthscsa.edu
University of Texas                     http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
Health Science Center at San Antonio    University Health System


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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Robert Resendes wrote:

>
>    If I try to "cat" the file, though, I get the following error:
>
> > cat /dev/psaux
> cat: /dev/psaux: No such device
>
I don't think cat works here because /dev/psaux is not a regular file.

>    I think I'm missing a driver, but I certainly don't see anything
> resembling "PS/2 mouse driver" during the "Configure Drivers" portion of the
> install. I would have expected this to be built into the Standard kernel
> (which is the one I selected). Does anyone know what I'm missing and how to
> install it?

I beleive that Bruce has posted that this was omitted by mistake.  One
solution (although maybe not the best or easiest) is to complie a
kernel yourself.

Mike


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Bruce Perens writes:
-> Bruce:
-> > There is no varargs.h in libc5-dev_5.2.18-9 . Maybe older versions
-> > contain it. 
-> 
-> David:
-> > varargs.h is provided by gcc.
-> 
-> Oops. Never thought of that. Anyway, nothing should use it any longer.

Yeah, well, in a perfect world, nothing would use it.  However,
there's a lot of legacy code out there, and the fact is some of it
does still use varargs. So, while I would strongly discourage the use
of obsolete items like varargs and such, the fact remains, some code
is still written to use them, and if it means that I can compile and
use said programs on my machine with minimal effort, then I will.

-Larry

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Hi Al, 

I can't answer everything, but:

Al Youngwerth <alberty@apexxtech.com> writes:

> I'm still trying to get a grip on the whole theory of debian package =
> installations and I have a few questions about how one should go about =
> modifying an installation.
> 
> I just installed the apache package. The debian installation sets up =
> apache to run out of the rc.d stuff but I want it to run under inetd =
> (it's for "intranet" access and security is more important than speed). =
> What's the "right" way to make this modification? To take apache out of =
> the start-up process should I:
> 
> Change the apache script in /etc/init.d to just exit whenever its =
> called?

Not as clean as:

> Run "update-rc.d apache remove" (this generates the error: "update-rc.d: =
> error: /etc/init.d/apache exists during rc.d purge)?

I believe you're supposed to delete the script in /etc/init.d/.  Then
run update-rc.d, and it will remove all the symlinks.
 
> Just delete apache from /etc/init.d and its symlinks in all the =
> /etc/rc.d directories?

Yeah, this is the same as above, manually.

(snip)
> What about installing non-debianized programs into my system. I've seen =
> people refer to installing all non-debian stuff in /usr/local. Why? I'm =
> writing a lot of little perl script utilities for my system. Should they =
> all go in /usr/local? What about the configuration files for the perl =
> script utilities I write. I've been putting them in /etc, should they go =
> someplace?

That should be clarified: all unpackaged stuff _that belongs under /usr_
should go in /usr/local.  /etc is still /etc, and is yours; follow the
general layout, but it's not in a sort of 'distribution freeze' like
/usr.  Add special system-wide config files as you need, and Debian
packages whose existing configuration files have been modified should
respect that, offering you options like leaving your versions in place
and copying the new distribution versions in as /etc/*.dpkg-dist.

Nb: this is no kind of official statement.  If corrections are needed,
I'm sure they'll follow.  

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com


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From: "Larry 'Daffy' Daffner" <vizzie@pinky.mimosa.org>
> So, while I would strongly discourage the use
> of obsolete items like varargs and such, the fact remains, some code
> is still written to use them, and if it means that I can compile and
> use said programs on my machine with minimal effort, then I will.

I'll give up my varargs when they pry it out of my cold, dead fingers :-)

OK, I hear you - here's a note for the policy manual, Ian, if it isn't
already in there.

Varargs and libtermcap are provided to support end-users installing
legacy software, and the few packages (like Netscape) that are not
available to us in binary form. Debian packages should be ported to
stdarg and ncurses when they are built, please.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Where can I download dpkg 1.3.10, or more specifically the new
documentation (on package creation etc) in postscript form?
I've only found the HTML ones so far. No sign of anything later
than 1.3.6 on ftp.debian.org as yet.

Thanks,


hamish


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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Kevin M. Bealer writes ("Bugs"):
> > I've submitted these two bugs to debian bugs, and got no
> > response;  I submitted them again, and still got no response. 
> > (Has the list address changed recently?)  I could try again, but
> > then I would have to wait again, and so on, so...  (In
> > otherwords, sorry for the offtopic.)
> 
> Kevin: please send them to submit@bugs.debian.org, if you haven't
> already.

(done).

> Bruce: this is very bad.  Could you change the Pixar alias to point to
> debian-bugs@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk ?  I've made this an alias for
> submit@bugs.  We know that Pixar can deliver mail here.
> 
> It is definitely very bad if messages are just disappearing and not
> even bouncing.  If all else fails the alias at Pixar should be
> removed.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ian.
> 
> 

__kmb203@psu.edu_______________Debian/GNU__1.1___Linux__2.0.14___
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him.  Reality will adjust accordingly.  The universe will
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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:
> 
> > Test I was done on a 2.0.14 kernel with a 100kb nul file (dd 
> > if=/dev/zero...)
> > Test II was done on a 2.0.14 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb nul file.
> > Test III was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with a 100kb nul file.
> > Test IV was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb nul file.
> > Test V was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with a 100kb random file.
> > Test VI was done on a 2.0.15 kernel with irqtune and a 100kb random 
> > file.
> 
> > 	  I          II        III         IV         V          VI
> > Count Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate  Time Rate
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Avg.  59.17 1.7  36.66 2.7  58.53 1.7  34.60 2.9  57.09 1.7  26.93 3.7
> > Dev.  10.32       5.18       9.15       6.31      11.58       0.05
> > 
> > The figures are quite clear. Irqtune really improves my serial 
> > performances, even with kernel 2.0.15 (see previous messages, 2.0.15 
> > included a patch which might have helped serial performance).
> > What I don't understand is why a file consisting of zeros only do not 
> > get the same transfer rate as a random file. 
> 
> If I understand your data, you're saying you get a much faster
> transfer rate with the random file over the all-zeros file, right?
> This is very bizarre.  The random file and a file consisting of all
> zeros should *not* get the same transfer rate on any modern modem
> which does hardware compression (most do).  The all zeros file should
> get a much faster transfer rate than the random file.  The reason is
> that it is not possible to compress a random file so the best transfer
> rate possible would be the line speed (28.8 kbs for a 28.8 modem).  A
> file of all zeros is easily compressible so you should do much better
> (theoretically 115200 kbs for a 28.8 modem which does hardware
> compression but in practice probably much less).

Just at a guess (and I don't know ppp internals that well), it
might be PPP escaping the zero as a control character.  If the
software had to handle the escape sequence for "N thousand"
nulls, it might bog it down a bit, and those escape sequences
might themselves take up more space, as they often do.  Really,
though, I can't see that accounting for the difference on a
modem that does compression.  The compression should be more of
a factor than escaping every character even, assuming it IS a
compressed link.

I don't know if PPP even escapes nulls.

(clip)
> 
> Gerry

__kmb203@psu.edu_______________Debian/GNU__1.1___Linux__2.0.14___
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intelligent ... meanwhile in the darkness, the "EMACS" grew and
grew, unrecognized even by the AI community, fifty, one hundred
times the size of other text editors.  In retrospect the general
lack of suspicion is [perhaps] the most convincing proof ....

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I use procmail for this. There are also other mail filtering programs but I 
have no experience of them. There is also a FAQ about filtering mail and it 
can be found from http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/top.h
tml

> How could I use filter to filter the mail from mailing lists (such as 
> this one) into different folders.  The only thing, I could think of is if 
[snip]

The second example of procmailex (5) man page does this.

> Also, I was wondering if it is possible to filter the mail, and forward 
> it to anoter computer.  i.e. I want it stored on one machine, but also 

-- 
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Dear All,

I am a bit confused about the printing of faxes received by mgetty.
At first I did not know any provisions where provided by mgetty, so I wrote
a tiny script, triggered by a sendmail alias which read faxes from the spool
directory and fed them straight into

        g3topbm -l <fax_name>

This did sort of work, its not very elegant and provided very poor quality
printing of normal resolution faxes.
Then I had a look at the mgetty source package, and discovered the option of
executing the

        /usr/lib/mgetty+sendfax/new_fax

script, which seemed to be able to do just that. I then took the script
new_fax.lj and installed that together with the netpbm package. This drained
all my memory (small system, 8 Mb RAM 18 Swap) and failed to produce
high-res faxes, barely managed normal res. Those did look good.
Than I noticed that the netbpm package had replaced mgetty's g3topbm.

I manage to print some faxes, but the script takes ages to process. Somerhow
I have a feeling that things could be optimized here. If anyone has done any
experimenting in this area, I would be very interested in finding out their
results. I use a hp4l and the magicfilter package.

Thanks very much!

Erik van der Meulen
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In message <199608251856.OAA05269@sgk.tiac.net>, "Susan G. Kleinmann" writes:
>Hi Hakan --
>
>You asked:
>> I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
>> package are they?
>
>I think the Latex-2e approach is not to use .sty files, but to use .cls
>(class) files.  Support for a4 letter paper is built into the article.cls
>file, for example, but the option a4paper.
>So, to get output formatted for a4 paper, you would invoke the article style
>this way:
>
>\documentclass[titlepage, oneside, a4paper, 11pt]{article}
>\usepackage{html}
>\usepackage[dvips]{graphicx}
>
>where the options "titlepage", "oneside", "11pt", etc., are all 
>optional (!); I just put them there to illustrate that you can have more
>than 1 option in the [].  I also added the statements regarding
>"usepackage" as a further example of package-loading in latex-2e.
>
>If you'd like to read more about this, you might want to get a copy
>of the boot "The LaTeX Companion", by Goosens, Mittelbach, and Samarin.
>
>HTH,
>Susan Kleinmann
>
As the normal a4paper is not very wide, my office mate wrote a package
to get bigger text-width.
It can be invoked vai  \usepackage{realA4}.
Options are nohead, if no headers are used, and symetric, to place the 
text in the middle of the page

greetings,
jan





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% realA4.sty
% 
% REALLY use A4 paper (based on longlines.sty)
%
% (c) 1995, 1996, Christian Cachin (cachin@inf.ethz.ch)
%
%
% USAGE:  (in LaTeX2e only)
%
% \documentclass{anyclass}
%
% \usepackage[nohead,symmetric]{realA4}
%
% The optional `nohead' specifies that no headings will be used in the document
% and  therefore, the space reserved for it by LaTeX can be used for text.
%
% The optional `symmetric' specifies that even with the `twosided' option
% the main text is centered on the page.
%
%
% IMPLEMENTATION:
%
% The following is just the code to calculate \textwidth and several widths
% that depend on it, copied 1-to-1 from classes.dtx.
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\def\fileversion{1.1}
\def\filedate{1996/07/23}
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}
\ProvidesPackage{realA4}[\filedate\space\fileversion\ the real A4 page layout]

\DeclareOption{nohead}{%
\advance\textheight by \headheight%
\advance\textheight by \headsep%
\headheight 0pt%
\headsep 0pt}

\DeclareOption{symmetric}{%
\def\@symmetrya{0.5}%
\def\@symmetryb{0.5}}

\setlength\paperheight {297mm}
\setlength\paperwidth  {210mm}

\voffset 0pt
\topmargin 0pt                                                                 
 
\ifcase \@ptsize                                                               
 
    \textheight 54\baselineskip                                                
 
\or                                                                            
 
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\or                                                                            
 
    \textheight 43\baselineskip                                                
 
\fi                                                                            
 
\advance\textheight by \topskip                                                
 

\def\@symmetrya{0.4}
\def\@symmetryb{0.6}

\ProcessOptions

\setlength\@tempdima{\paperwidth}
\addtolength\@tempdima{-2in}
\setlength\textwidth{\@tempdima}
\@settopoint\textwidth

\if@twoside
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  \addtolength\oddsidemargin  {-1in}
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  \setlength\marginparwidth   {.5\@tempdima}
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\fi
\ifdim \marginparwidth >2in
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\fi
\@settopoint\oddsidemargin
\@settopoint\marginparwidth
\setlength\evensidemargin  {\paperwidth}
\addtolength\evensidemargin{-2in}
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  Jan Camenisch                                                    
  Institut fuer theor. Informatik                  Tel. +41 1 632 7412
  ETH Zentrum, IFW                                 Fax. +41 1 632 1172
  CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland            e-mail: camenisch@inf.ethz.ch -       
                                                               -
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I would be grateful if anyone can tell me how to get cron to
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Jim Worthington (jworthington@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
[...]
: Also I get the following message when trying to run crack ver 4.1:
: 
:  Crack v4.1f: The Password Cracker, (c) Alec D.E. Muffett, 1992
: 
:  Version of crypt() being used internally is not compatible with
:  standard.
: 
: Has anybody successfully been able to run crack on Debian Linux 1.1?
[...]

You need to install ufc-crypt in your CRACK_HOME-Directory. After that 
'$CRACK_HOME/Crack' recognizes ufc-crypt by itself.

'ufc-crypt.tar.gz' is the name of the archiv you need to get.

Martin


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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Erik van der Meulen wrote:
>I am a bit confused about the printing of faxes received by mgetty.
>At first I did not know any provisions where provided by mgetty,
Sorry. The package was put together rather hasty and misses a lot of
things.

>I manage to print some faxes, but the script takes ages to process. Somerhow
>I have a feeling that things could be optimized here. If anyone has done any
>experimenting in this area, I would be very interested in finding out their
>results. I use a hp4l and the magicfilter package.
This is because pbmtools need a *lot* of memory for big images.
The problem is that the original fax comes at a resolution of 
204x196 (high) or 204x98 (low) which is rather different from the 300 dpi
of the LJ4.

The new_fax.lj script first scales up the fax and reduces it thereafter.
This will take a long time with 8MB.

Try to use a pipe with g3topbm and then pbmtolj with resolution set to 150.

I use a deskjet where pbmtolj takes ages for *printing*, so my pipe is
basically:

        $G3TOPBM $STRETCH $FAX \
        | $PNMTOPS -width 8.27 -height 11.7 2>/dev/null \
        | $GS -sDEVICE=djet500 -r300 -sOutputFile='|lpr' -sPAPERSIZE=a4 \
              -q -dNOPAUSE -

That gives a delay of 3s between the arrival of a fax and printing, but
that's on a 16MB Machine. I remember that the same script took about 30s
delay on a not heavily loaded 8MB machine. The printing is as fast as the
deskjet is capable, i.e. ~30s per page.

--
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>>with a cisco router. I assume a factor of about ten.| ++49-551-71626
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In dselect 1.3.9 the cursor keys do not work anymore after having done a 
search (with '/').

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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:

> 
> I've done some statistics regarding irqtune and kernels 2.0.14 and 
> 2.0.15.

There are some nasty panic problems running this kernel with
apache httpd.  I'm not sure about the details ...

> 
> The protocol was the following:
> 1) ftp to my ISP
> 2) put a file
> 3) get the same file 10 times with a 'mget file file <etc...>'

** snip **

> 
> I'm not subscribed to the linux kernel mailing list, but you can 
> forward this message over there.

I got this from the linux-kernel list:


>>From torvalds@cs.Helsinki.FI Tue Aug 27 08:23:03 1996
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:08:43 +0300 (EET DST)
>From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@cs.Helsinki.FI>
>To: Russell Berry <rberry@albany.net>
>Cc: Gerry Jensen <gerry@blue.optimed.com>, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu
>Subject: Re: irqtune: improve serial port performance by 3x?
>
>
>
>On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Russell Berry wrote:
>> 
>> I got this, installed it on both my machines (home/work), and can see a marked 
>> increase in ppp performance.  However, I'm concerned about interrupt priorities, 
>> does this effect _ONLY_ the timer interrupt priorities, or does it actually tweak
>> the way the kernel interprets all system interrupts???
>
>I don't like the fact that irqtune helsp interrupt performance, because the
>way Linux tries to handle interrupts it _shouldn't_ make a difference. The
>fact that irqtune obviously _does_ make a difference would indicate that the
>irq handling has some problem, and irqtune just masks that problem by
>changing the interrupt priority levels. 
>
>Essentially, Linux does a "EOI" immediately when it gets the interrupt, and
>that EOI _should_ mean that all other interrupts will get through, regardless
>of whether they have lower or higher priority (because the EOI tells the
>interrupt controller that it can forget about the interrupt that we're now
>handling).  As such there should be no effect from irqtune, because the
>interrupt priorities shouldn't really matter. 
>
>However, Linux uses the "nonspecific" EOI to do this, and while that should
>work, it may turn out that some interrupt controllers don't like it, and for
>some reason mask the wrong interrupt. People who see a difference with
>irqtune, could you test this patch instead (it changes the low-level
>interrupt handlers to use the "specific" EOI to tell the controller that that
>specific interrupt is now handled). 
>
>I'd be very interested in reactions to this patch indeed, can you please 
>try it out and tell me whether this makes any difference?
>
>(This is against 2.0.14, but it should patch in cleanly against just about
>any reasonably recent kernel. Certainly all of the 2.0.x series)
>
>		Linus

 ** patch left in tact **

----
--- v2.0.14/linux/include/asm-i386/irq.h	Sun Mar 10 09:28:56 1996
+++ linux/include/asm-i386/irq.h	Fri Aug 23 08:18:12 1996
@@ -81,7 +81,7 @@
  * a bit - without them it seems that the harddisk driver won't work on
  * all hardware. Arghh.
  */
-#define ACK_FIRST(mask) \
+#define ACK_FIRST(mask,nr) \
 	"inb $0x21,%al\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
@@ -90,10 +90,10 @@
 	"outb %al,$0x21\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x20,%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0x60+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0x20\n\t"
 
-#define ACK_SECOND(mask) \
+#define ACK_SECOND(mask,nr) \
 	"inb $0xA1,%al\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
@@ -102,11 +102,12 @@
 	"outb %al,$0xA1\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x20,%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0x60+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0xA0\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\toutb %al,$0x20\n\t"
+	"1:\tmovb $0x62,%al\n\t" \
+	"outb %al,$0x20\n\t"
 
 #define UNBLK_FIRST(mask) \
 	"inb $0x21,%al\n\t" \
@@ -207,7 +208,7 @@
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"sti\n\t" \
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
@@ -224,7 +225,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(fast_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t" \
 	"pushl $" #nr "\n\t" \
 	"call "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(do_fast_IRQ)"\n\t" \
@@ -238,7 +239,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(bad_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	LEAVE_KERNEL \
 	RESTORE_MOST);
 	
@@ -255,7 +256,7 @@
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
 	"pushl %ebx\n\t" \
@@ -283,7 +284,7 @@
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
 	ENTER_KERNEL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"sti\n\t" \
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
@@ -301,7 +302,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(fast_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	SMP_PROF_IPI_CNT \
 	"pushl $" #nr "\n\t" \
 	"call "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(do_fast_IRQ)"\n\t" \
@@ -312,7 +313,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(bad_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	RESTORE_MOST);
 
 #define BUILD_RESCHEDIRQ(nr) \
@@ -345,7 +346,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"sti\n\t" \
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
@@ -360,7 +361,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(fast_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t" \
 	"pushl $" #nr "\n\t" \
 	"call "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(do_fast_IRQ)"\n\t" \
@@ -372,7 +373,7 @@
 "\n"__ALIGN_STR"\n" \
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(bad_IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	SAVE_MOST \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	RESTORE_MOST);
 	
 #define BUILD_TIMER_IRQ(chip,nr,mask) \
@@ -386,7 +387,7 @@
 SYMBOL_NAME_STR(IRQ) #nr "_interrupt:\n\t" \
 	"pushl $-"#nr"-2\n\t" \
 	SAVE_ALL \
-	ACK_##chip(mask) \
+	ACK_##chip(mask,(nr&7)) \
 	"incl "SYMBOL_NAME_STR(intr_count)"\n\t"\
 	"movl %esp,%ebx\n\t" \
 	"pushl %ebx\n\t" \
-----



> 
> I stick with irqtune right now. BTW, I saw no ill side effect when 
> using it.
> 
> Phil.
> 
> 

I believe there are users testing the patch with improved ppp
performace now -- sans irqtune.  By the way, there seems to be 
a samba tuning issue with kernels >2.0.10.  I'm not sure what
the variable is, but performance can suffer in certain samba
configurations.  I have more details somewhere if anybody
needs them.  I'm sure these issues will be addressed very soon.
The kernel dudes are all aware of them and seem pretty enthused
about fixin' stuff.  Its an interesting list, by the way.  I just
wish I knew what the heck they were talkin' about!

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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>>>>> Ken Gaugler writes:

> Hello folks.  I am having a strange problem trying to have an
> xconsole window working under my own login.  I use a .xsession file
> to set up certain windows and apps I like to have available when I
> log in.

Look at /dev/console. On a stock system it should be a symbolic link
pointing to /dev/tty0. Systems with serial console have it pointing to
the serial device and xconsole does not like that ...

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That's funny, I haven't figured out how to get it to stop mailing me it =
results! The manpage (or some other documentation I found) says to add =
the line MAILTO=3D<user_to_mail_to> or if you prefer, leave it blank and =
it should never mail. I've found the MAILTO line doesn't seem to make =
any difference. If the cron job produces output to STDOUT (or maybe its =
STDERR), I get a friendly reminder from cron. If the cron job produces =
no output, I don't get a message from cron.

If anyone really knows how to get cron to stop pestering me, let me =
know.=20

Al Youngwerth
alberty@apexxtech.com

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From: 	Miro Torrielli[SMTP:mtorr@worldnet.fr]
Sent: 	Tuesday, August 27, 1996 5:53 AM
To: 	debian-user@lists.debian.org
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I would be grateful if anyone can tell me how to get cron to
mail me its results daily. Thanx... :-)






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Hello,  I would like to get in touch with my cousin Dr. Paul Vio.  His work
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Hi,

I've just spent the last few hours trying to figure out why make-kpkg
wouldn't work for me. It looks like tar-1.11.11-2.deb from unstable is
the culprit: with this tar, I get a file permission modification error
for include/asm when make-kpkg dist is run.

Anyways, downgrading to the tar of the buzz release seem to fix this for
me. Is this a tar or a make-kpkg problem?

Ciao,
Thomas


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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> I'm have these two problems lately:
> 
> 1) My Cirrus Logic GD5434 works fine in 8bpp mode, but produces
> streaks at 16bpp. Has anyone had the same problem? Is the SVGA
> XF86 server bugged, my video timings screwed, or my monitor to blame?

Don't know, sorry.

> 2) Ever since I upgraded to the latest xterm-color, I can't get a
> colorized ls. Can anyone help??

You may have also upgraded your fileutils to 3.13 which replaces color-ls.
This might help:

With the integration of color-ls directly into the fileutils
package, a few things have changed.  dircolors no longer sets
up aliases or shell scripts to colorize ls, dir, and vdir.

Here is an excerpt from a .bashrc which sets up aliases after
running dircolors:

	# set up color-ls
	eval `dircolors /home/syrus/.dir_colors`
	alias d='ls -F --color=auto'
	alias v='ls -l --color=auto'
	alias vdir='ls -l --color=auto'
	alias dir='ls -F --color=auto'                                                 

Note that color=tty has been changed to color=auto.  See the
documentation for other change information.

Syrus.


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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Erik van der Meulen wrote:

> I manage to print some faxes, but the script takes ages to process. Somerhow
> I have a feeling that things could be optimized here. If anyone has done any
> experimenting in this area, I would be very interested in finding out their
> results. I use a hp4l and the magicfilter package.

After many experiments with the netpbm package, with the same bad
results you got, I finally found on sunsite a program named "g3vga"
(/pub/Linux/apps/graphics/viewers/). It includes a very quick g32ps
command: you can use it to convert your fax in a PS file, and the print it
with GhostScript (maybe directly with lpr, I don't use magicfilter).

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Al Youngwerth <alberty@apexxtech.com> writes:

> If anyone really knows how to get cron to stop pestering me, let me =
> know.=20

If the command has output, you will get the results mailed to you.  I
don't know of any way to stop that, but it's easy to arrange for the
command to avoid sending results.

Just make your command

cmd > /dev/null

or the more thorough

cmd > /dev/null 2>&1

which redirects stderr and stdout.

See "man bash" for more details.

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thb@regioservice.de (Thomas Baetzler) writes:

> Anyways, downgrading to the tar of the buzz release seem to fix this for
> me. Is this a tar or a make-kpkg problem?
 
As I understand it, that upstream version of tar is "broken".  Debian
is going to revert to an earlier version until the problems are
fixed.  You did the right thing.

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Hello,

I just have installed debian on my system. It was wonderful. Everything
worked fine until ...

- I was used to have the /etc/profile for the bash and other
configuration files to be more configured than they are now. I don't
want to say that they are not configured at all, the system works great.
I'm looking for some customisations. I thought there is althoug a
demo-user to show how powerful Linux can be. (How to find a new
programm, when you don't know about it :-) 

- How do you manage updates? 
I've copied the debian distribution to CD. How to perform any updates,
when you cannot change the files on CD. Is it possible use a second
distribution on the harddisk, where I put only the files I want to
upgrade? 

- I was although looking for the olwm window manager. Isn't there a
openwin package?

For any help, Thanks

Dirk


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At 11:26 AM 8/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,  I would like to get in touch with my cousin Dr. Paul Vio.  His work
>was related to the University of Leiden.  He is in his sixties, and may have
>retired.  Thank you very much.  Marko.

Errrm - what on earth does this have to do with the Debian User mailing
list?  Have you got a question Linux related?

...Karl

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Hi!

I want to make my own Debian CD-R. Does someone know where to place the
files on the CD so that the installation can run completely of the CD?

I'm looking for an installation that doesn't require the generation of
disks. I want to have it like in old Slackware times ;-)

1. Boot MS-DOG
2. Select Kernel to boot through some DOS menu program that
fires up loadlin
3. Kernel should read the ramdisk from the CD.
4. Basic configuration of Debian.
5. Base disks should be read from the CD.
6. ...(same as usual)...

If nothing like this exists right now, I will implement this. I think
something like that would be also nice for the other guys that create
Debian CD's, as Infomagic, etc.


Cheers,

Chris

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Hi,

> If anyone really knows how to get cron to stop pestering me, let me =
> know.=20

simply avoid that cron jobs produce output if the operate normally. Then you
will only get mails if something went wrong. Thats how it is suppoed to
work.

Greetings
Bernd


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> On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Robert Resendes wrote:
> >    If I try to "cat" the file, though, I get the following error:
> > > cat /dev/psaux
> > cat: /dev/psaux: No such device

On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Mike Taylor wrote:
> I don't think cat works here because /dev/psaux is not a regular file.

	No, IMHO this error in this instance results from the /dev/psaux
file not existing.  cat'ting an existing /dev/psaux file gives you a
screenful of unreadable gibberish, but it gives you SOMETHING if the file
exists.


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Miro Torrielli wrote:
>I would be grateful if anyone can tell me how to get cron to
>mail me its results daily. Thanx... :-)

Hi, Miro

So far as I know, there's only one kind of automatic result
notification mailed from cron, and that's the output of any
command (initiated via the crontab) which went to stdout or
stderr. That gets collected and mailed to the owner of the
crontab, but it happens whenever the cron job runs, i.e.
not necessarily daily.

I'd suggest you modify your jobs to aggregate their results
in a log file, then use another cron job to mail them to
you daily.

Hope this helps,
Alastair


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Hi guys,
	I finally decided to buy a book on LinuX and guess what? There are so
many, I am at a loss for which one to choose (and  some are pricey too). Could
anyone out there point me to what is considered the 'defacto' definitive guide
(Advanced!!) to LinuX

Thanks 

Jonathan Lawson


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Hi Dirk --
You asked:
> - I was used to have the /etc/profile for the bash and other
> configuration files to be more configured than they are now. 
You might want to look in /usr/doc/examples/bash.


> (How to find a new programm, when you don't know about it :-) 
This must qualify as a billion dollar question.

> - How do you manage updates? 
> I've copied the debian distribution to CD. How to perform any updates,
> when you cannot change the files on CD. Is it possible use a second
> distribution on the harddisk, where I put only the files I want to
> upgrade? 
Sure.  I use the mirror program (in the mirror package, in the net directory
on the FTP sites) to download a fresh copy of the Debian distribution
every once in a while, then one can update the packages from there,
either directly, using 
    dpkg -i package.deb
or through dselect, setting the access method to a mounted hard disk.


> - I was although looking for the olwm window manager. Isn't there a
> openwin package?
I don't see it in the Packages-Master file (kept in the indices
directory at the FTP site) dated August 23.


Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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The new Debian FAQ is now at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/FAQ/ .
It is also available in the current doc-debian package
(doc-debian_1.0-4.deb)

It is a major rewrite of the previous version. When you have a
Debian-related question please try to find a corresponding answer in
the FAQ first.

When you encounter mistakes or want to provide comments or suggestions
please send it via e-mail to debian-faq@debian.org

The Debian FAQ is maintained by Susan G. Kleinmann (sgk@debian.org),
Sven Rudolph (sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de), and Joost Witteveen
(joostje@debian.org) .

	Sven
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David Winters <winters+@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
|> On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Robert Resendes wrote:
|> >    If I try to "cat" the file, though, I get the following error:
|> > > cat /dev/psaux
|> > cat: /dev/psaux: No such device
|
|On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Mike Taylor wrote:
|> I don't think cat works here because /dev/psaux is not a regular file.
|
|	No, IMHO this error in this instance results from the /dev/psaux
|file not existing.  cat'ting an existing /dev/psaux file gives you a
|screenful of unreadable gibberish, but it gives you SOMETHING if the file
|exists.

You usually get this error when the device driver for this device
isn't compiled into the kernel (or no loadable module for it was
found?).

If the file didn't exist at all then you would have recieved a "No
such file or directory" error (otherwise, how would cat(1) know that
it is supposed to be a device? :-)

Try looking at your kernel's configuration and see if you have psaux
there.

Cheers,

--Amos

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I have mgetty working on a Slackware system, so I assumed I'd have no
trouble getting it working on a Debian system.  Boy, was I wrong.
I have no idea what I'm doing, or why nobody else seems to have trouble.
I couldn't find any debian-specific instructions.

1) using "dpkg --contents mgetty_099.deb", I see that various
   configuration files (login.config, mgetty.config, etc.) go in
   /etc/mgetty.  However, after installing the package, that directory
   was empty.  Why?  I've removed and reinstalled the package, using
   both dselect and dpkg; usually /etc/mgetty is empty, once login.config
   mysteriously appeared.  Finally I copied the files from the Slackware
   system.

2) What should the line in /etc/inittab be?  I'm using
       d3:45:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS2
   because this is what worked with Slackware.  (not exactly; the other
   system used com2 (d2,ttyS1), and /usr/local/sbin).  Where is this
   d3:45 stuff documented?  The reason I got it working with Slackware
   is that there were already sample lines commented out.  (I think.)

   BTW, the modem is set to com3, and minicom works using /dev/ttyS2

3) Do I need the "gettydefs" file?  I copied it from - you guessed it -
   the slackware system.

Oh, I should mention what happens; absolutely nothing.  No answer, no
logs.


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We're still trying to resolve the kernel decompression failure problem,
and we need some help:

  * from anyone who has experienced this problem on their system
  * from someone who can do a small amount of assembler coding

The problem:
  On some systems, when attempting to boot from the installation boot
  disk (boot1440.bin, etc), the kernel fails to decompress following
  the 'boot: ' prompt.  This is usually solved by turning off the
  internal cache via the bios.

One possible solution:

  On Aug 27,  2:40pm, Bruce Perens wrote:
  > Subject: Re: Kernel decompression failure.
  : I know what the next test should be, but I have not had time to
look
  : up the appropriate instruction and code it up. Nor am I any sort of
  : expert on 486 assembler.
  : In /usr/src/linux-2.0.14/arch/i386/boot/setup.S, the cache must be
  : invalidated before and after the "lmsw    ax" instruction.
  >-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens

Please let me know if you can help us out.

Chris -)-----

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I don't want to complain too much, especially since group members have 
been so much help,but this mail is out of control.Single messages are 
totally acceptable although many, but multiple entries get very tiresome
I'm willing to tough it out (easier than figuring out this OS for this 
semi literate dos user)but ........just my $.02 worth

Mike List


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  [Someone suggested I make this into a HOWTO.  I'm happy for someone
  else to do that.  In the meantime, I'm posting a new revision with
  minor changes to step 3 and 7.]
  
  "You hear maniacal laughter..."
  
  Under no circumstances run NT's disk administrator to format
  partitions.  It asks if it can write a signature "which will cause
  absolutely no harm."  When it did this, it hosed the partition table
  and neither NT nor Linux booted afterwards.  Therefore, you'll
  probably be limited to one FAT NT partition unless NT 4.0 fixed
  these things.  Also remember that even if you do get the Disk
  Administrator to work, you'll want at least one small FAT partition
  to use as a staging area for exchanging files between Linux and NT.

  If I read my notes right, the following is a fine distillation of
  many days and nights of pulling out my hair to get things working:

  Note that step 6 is pertinent only to the following setup: Debian
  Linux 1.1, Linux 2.0.0, HP Vectra XU 6/150, Adaptec AIC 7880 Ultra
  (BIOS 1.2S-HP), Quantum Fireball 1080S, Phoenix compatibility BIOS
  GG.06.02.  NT 3.5.1.  The examples show a SCSI disk (/dev/sda);
  substitute /dev/hda for your IDE drives.

  1. Install Linux (hold off on installing everything until you win
  the Linux/NT battle).  Do all your disk partitioning in Linux,
  including your NT partition (make it FAT).  I was not successful at
  making more than one NT partition.  I also made it the first
  partition, but I don't know if that is essential or not.
  
  2. Add the "linear" flag to /etc/lilo.conf, change boot=/dev/sda (I
  was not successful at installing LILO on the Linux
  partition--/dev/sda3 in my case) and run "lilo".  If your partition
  table is screwed up by NT you'll either need to use "ignore-table"
  or follow the directions in Step 7.  See also "fix-table".  The LILO
  HOWTO is your friend.  You'll have to use the editor ae.  You'll
  live.

  3. Save the MBR with this: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1
  Use a floppy.  Trust me.  Also do this each time you change the disk
  partition table.

  4. Install NT, part 1.  When it goes to reboot halfway through the
  process you'll boot into Linux.
  
  5. Add NT stanza to /etc/lilo.conf, e.g.:
  
	other=/dev/sda1
	label=NT
	table=/dev/sda

   and run lilo.
  
  6. Reboot, select NT from LILO, and finish NT install.  You'll need
  the "Boot Disk XU, HP Vectra AIC 7880 Driver A.01.02" floppy to
  install the ethernet drivers and the "XU/VT Drivers and
  Documentation" CD (directory video/disk4 if a recall correctly) to
  install the video drivers for the Matrox MGA Millennium.
  
  7. Back to Linux, run fdisk and ensure you don't get "partition
  doesn't end on cylinder boundary" on your Linux partitions.  You'll
  still have this error on the NT partition though, but this seems to
  be OK.
  
/dev/sda1            1        1      322   329301    6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary:
     phys=(321, 39, 9) should be (321, 63, 32)

  Cfdisk reports strangeness, but it seems OK:

                                          Unusable                      0.04*
 /dev/sda1                 Primary        DOS 16-bit >=32Mb           321.59*
                                          Unusable                      0.39*

  If you do get the cylinder boundary warning on your Linux
  partitions, it is sufficient to use cfdisk to do something innocuous
  like changing the boot sector.
  
  If, however, NT has really screwed you over and cfdisk can't even
  run, complaining that it cannot open /dev/sda, then you'll need to
  take more extreme action.  You'll need that MBR you saved
  previously.  Clear and restore the MBR (but not the signature) with:

	  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
	  dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/sda bs=510 count=1

  8.  Install the rest of Linux.  Easy, huh?

  If you prefer to have NT write the MBR instead of LILO, you may have
  to resort to the following to clear the MBR first:
  
  a) dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1 (in Linux) or perform
     a low-level format with the SCSI utilities.  I've heard that a
     low-level format of an IDE disk is fatal, so don't do it.
  b) fdisk /mbr (you've obviously already created a DOS boot disk that
     contains fdisk).
  c) delete NT partition and create it again in NT install.
  d) continue with NT install.

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>   ph: +1-415-854-1857  fax: +1-415-854-3195
Say it with MIME.  Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs.
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Hi!

My problem:

umrk:~$ dos
dos: can't find library 'libX11.so.6'
umrk:~$ 

Though it's in /usr/X11R6/lib/. I tried running ldconfig, making a
link to /usr/lib, but it did not help. What do I do wrong?

Debian/GNU 1.1.5 with Kernel 2.0.14.

Ciao,
	- Krid -


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Bruce,

If you don't already have a volunteer for this, I', willing to give it a try.

Thomas

> I need someone to write a shell script using dialog that guides a user through
> setting up a PPP or SLIP connection. The tool set used must be limited to the
> tools in the base floppies. These are the "ash" shell (like Bash, but small),
> the "dialog" program, the "chat" program for making the connection, and either
> "pppd" or "slattach" for maintaining the connection, and the "ifconfig" and
> "route" programs. The "dip" program will not be used for slip because "chat"
> and "slattach" can do the same job in less space, and more simply. Shell tools
> like "sed" can be used.
> 
> The program should allow the user to enter phone number, login handshake,
> type of authentication for ppp, etc. It should make the call, and if the
> configuration gets made it should save the session as a shell script for
> later invocation by "diald" and such things.
> 
> 	Thanks
>
> 	Bruce
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> > - How do you manage updates? 
> > I've copied the debian distribution to CD. How to perform any updates,
> > when you cannot change the files on CD. Is it possible use a second
> > distribution on the harddisk, where I put only the files I want to
> > upgrade? 

> Sure.  I use the mirror program (in the mirror package, in the net directory
> on the FTP sites) to download a fresh copy of the Debian distribution
> every once in a while, then one can update the packages from there,
> either directly, using 
>     dpkg -i package.deb
> or through dselect, setting the access method to a mounted hard disk.

Another method that I like to use is Brian White and Robert Browning's
dftp program.  There's a new version currently in the Incoming directory
that's much faster than the older version.  It downloades the Packages.gz
files for the directories you're intersted (e.g. stable, contrib,
non-free) and presents you with a list of packages.  These are placed in
various sections: new upgrades, downgrades, new packages, ignored
upgrades, and ignored packages.  You then select the packages you want 
and dftp downloads and installs them.  This makes it very easy to have
your Debian system 100% current all the time and you aren't downloading
packages that you aren't going to install.

Gerry



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Shaya - 

I hate to badmouth, (can that be used intransitively?) but, since the
mail filtering faq's been mentioned, I'll quote it on the topic of
filter:

"IMPORTANT NOTE
==============
If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should
use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter.  This
recommendation is almost universal; even the developers of Elm and
Filter recommend procmail over filter.  IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE MAIL
MESSAGES WHEN USING FILTER; this is rare but it has happened."

I'm not sure why they leave filter out there, then, but...

If you've already assessed this situation, then excuse me.

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com


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Please read the documentation provided. (man mgetty and look into /usr/doc/mgetty!)
Have no idea why it did not install the configuration files. Worked on my system
when tested before being released.

Your Slackware frustration is understandable! Getting used to consistent file location
also took me awhile.

David Gaudine (david@annette.concordia.ca) wrote:
: 
: I have mgetty working on a Slackware system, so I assumed I'd have no
: trouble getting it working on a Debian system.  Boy, was I wrong.
: I have no idea what I'm doing, or why nobody else seems to have trouble.
: I couldn't find any debian-specific instructions.
: 
: 1) using "dpkg --contents mgetty_099.deb", I see that various
:    configuration files (login.config, mgetty.config, etc.) go in
:    /etc/mgetty.  However, after installing the package, that directory
:    was empty.  Why?  I've removed and reinstalled the package, using
:    both dselect and dpkg; usually /etc/mgetty is empty, once login.config
:    mysteriously appeared.  Finally I copied the files from the Slackware
:    system.
: 
: 2) What should the line in /etc/inittab be?  I'm using
:        d3:45:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS2
:    because this is what worked with Slackware.  (not exactly; the other
:    system used com2 (d2,ttyS1), and /usr/local/sbin).  Where is this
:    d3:45 stuff documented?  The reason I got it working with Slackware
:    is that there were already sample lines commented out.  (I think.)
: 
:    BTW, the modem is set to com3, and minicom works using /dev/ttyS2
: 
: 3) Do I need the "gettydefs" file?  I copied it from - you guessed it -
:    the slackware system.
: 
: Oh, I should mention what happens; absolutely nothing.  No answer, no
: logs.
: 


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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 C.J.Lawson@cranfield.ac.uk wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 	I finally decided to buy a book on LinuX and guess what? There are so
> many, I am at a loss for which one to choose (and  some are pricey too). Could
> anyone out there point me to what is considered the 'defacto' definitive guide
> (Advanced!!) to LinuX
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Jonathan Lawson

What is LinuX?  Is that like Linux?

Look in /usr/doc/HOWTO and /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini for the
BookList-HOWTO (name may be inexact.)

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     Hey, I was wondering if anyone had ever experienced these errors with
sendmail (debian, 1.1)

Aug 27 22:27:30 extacy sendmail[25143]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): getrequests:
accept: No route to host
Aug 27 22:28:00 extacy last message repeated 2 times
Aug 27 22:32:25 extacy sendmail[25143]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): getrequests:
accept: No route to host
Aug 27 22:32:55 extacy last message repeated 2 times

Over and over.  Seems there is no end to the messages.  Anyway.  The mailer
Had been working fine for a long time prior to this.  I was /thinking/ it could
be an awry message coming over and over from a host that we (the lan w/ the
sendmail daemons) had an intermittent route to.  However, this is also occuring
on another box on the lan (different sendmail .cf.  This one is used for uucp).
 Both are the sendmail-8.7.4 version.  Anyway, any hints are more than
welcomed.  Thanks

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     Sorry, I overlooked the obvious. The reason it was happenning to both
machines was due to an MX record (that I PUT there. heh)  Other than that, I
guess someone's mailer/route is hosed and they can send, but not recieve
packets from my partuclar chunk of the net.  Thanks anyway for any help that
would have been offered.

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I'm trying to set up majordomo on our server, but have run into the
following problem.

Any mail sent to the "majordomo" alias and gets piped into the majordomo
command via "wrapper" causes majordomo to just spin its wheels, chewing
cpu cycles and allocating more and more memory.  If I run the command
manually ("wrapper majordomo <email") it does the same thing.  If I leave
off the wrapper and do (as root) "majordomo <email", it functions correctly.

My alias:

majordomo:      "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"


Any ideas?
                                             
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Anyone know how to make Debain's `restore' command correctly read a DAT tape
written on on a Sun?  The backup was made with the following command:

dump 0bdsf 126 54000 6000 /dev/rst1 /home

I've tried various things, I even read the SCSI-HOWTO and still no joy.  I
believe the drive is working fine, since I can read `cpio' backups from a
Sun just fine.

Any help would be appreciated...


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We're trying to automount home directories exported from a Solaris 2.5
server onto a set of Debian boxes... And we're having problems.

We got the amd maps set up correctly (I checked from another site which is
also using amd to automount home dirs). But when I start amd and try to cd
to a home dir, the 'cd' just hangs. And syslog shows amd retrying the
mount repeatedly.

The 'share' entry on the Solaris machine looks like this:

share -F nfs -o rw=debian-machine -d "home dirs" /.home.a

Has anyone got amd to work on Linux boxes with directories NFS-exported
from a Solaris 2.5 machine? Any suggestions as to stuff I could try or
place where I could go for amd-related advice? We really need this
working... Help!

Thanks in advance..

   Christian



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John D. Amidon wrote:
> 
> Anyone know how to make Debain's `restore' command correctly read a DAT tape
> written on on a Sun?  The backup was made with the following command:
> 
> dump 0bdsf 126 54000 6000 /dev/rst1 /home
> 
> I've tried various things, I even read the SCSI-HOWTO and still no joy.  I
> believe the drive is working fine, since I can read `cpio' backups from a
> Sun just fine.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the format used by "dump" isn't
cross-platform compatible.  You should stick to tar or cpio.

Hope this helps,

--Amos


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Christian Hudon wrote:
> 
> We're trying to automount home directories exported from a Solaris 2.5
> server onto a set of Debian boxes... And we're having problems.
> 
> We got the amd maps set up correctly (I checked from another site which is
> also using amd to automount home dirs). But when I start amd and try to cd
> to a home dir, the 'cd' just hangs. And syslog shows amd retrying the
> mount repeatedly.
> 
> The 'share' entry on the Solaris machine looks like this:
> 
> share -F nfs -o rw=debian-machine -d "home dirs" /.home.a
> 
> Has anyone got amd to work on Linux boxes with directories NFS-exported
> from a Solaris 2.5 machine? Any suggestions as to stuff I could try or
> place where I could go for amd-related advice? We really need this
> working... Help!

As a first step - I'll test a static mount and check the list of
exported filesystems on the Sun.  Does a simple "mount" work?
What about "showmount -e sun-machine"?  "rpcinfo -p sun-machine"?
What about logs on the sun machine?  Does it mention your Debian
box?

Another thing - as far as I remember (last time I ran amd on Linux was
about 4 years ago on Linux 0.99p?? :-), amd can be extremly verbose
if you ask it to - check the options for debugging info.

Hope this helps,

--Amos


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Brian C. White wrote:

>I'm trying to set up majordomo on our server, but have run into the
>following problem.
>
>Any mail sent to the "majordomo" alias and gets piped into the majordomo
>command via "wrapper" causes majordomo to just spin its wheels, chewing
>cpu cycles and allocating more and more memory.  If I run the command
>manually ("wrapper majordomo <email") it does the same thing.  If I leave
>off the wrapper and do (as root) "majordomo <email", it functions correctl=
y.

Most problems with majordomo are based on wrong
permissions. Who owns the wrapper with which rights? Are
all the directories majordomo wants to read and write
accessable?

By
T=F6ns


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> Just at a guess (and I don't know ppp internals that well), it
> might be PPP escaping the zero as a control character.  If the
> software had to handle the escape sequence for "N thousand"
> nulls, it might bog it down a bit, and those escape sequences
> might themselves take up more space, as they often do.  Really,
> though, I can't see that accounting for the difference on a
> modem that does compression.  The compression should be more of
> a factor than escaping every character even, assuming it IS a
> compressed link.
> 
> I don't know if PPP even escapes nulls.

You set up what characters you want escaped (in the receive direction) in
the /etc/ppp/options file (or ~/.ppprc) with the "asyncmap <map>" option. 
<map> is a 32 bit hex number with each bit representing a character to
escape.  "asyncmap 0x00000000" will escape no characters which is what one
would want in the general case (8-bit clean line, hardware flow control). 
If you omit the asyncmap option, *all* control characters (0-31 decimal)
are escaped.  So forgetting to put in the asyncmap option will slow down
your PPP connection by about 12.5% (if my math is correct) for random
data.  Transfering a file of all zeros should make your connection twice
as slow if your modem is not doing hardware compression.

Gerry



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Package: util-linux
Version: 2.5-5
  
  "clock -w" is screwing up the CMOS clock.  See:

	# cat /etc/timezone
	US/Pacific
	# clock -r
	Wed Aug 28 00:52:27 1996
	# date
	Wed Aug 28 00:51:54 PDT 1996
	# clock -w
	# clock -r
	Mon Aug 11 00:07:58 2031
	# clock -wu
	Segmentation fault (core dumped)
	# clock -r
	<hangs: goes into tight loop>

  Is there anything here I'm missing (e.g., related
  programs/packages/settings)?  The segmentation violation and hanging
  of clock -r is worth a bug report to be sure, but could the -w
  failure be a mis-configuration of the timezone or Universal time on
  my part?  I had answered "no" to the Universal time question at
  install (due to !@#$# DOS).  I just ran tzconfig to change
  /etc/timezone from Factory to US/Pacific thinking that was my
  problem.

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>   ph: +1-415-854-1857  fax: +1-415-854-3195
Say it with MIME.  Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs.
If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.


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At 11:31 PM 8/27/96 -0400, Brian C. White wrote:
>
>Any mail sent to the "majordomo" alias and gets piped into the majordomo
>command via "wrapper" causes majordomo to just spin its wheels, chewing
>cpu cycles and allocating more and more memory.  If I run the command
>manually ("wrapper majordomo <email") it does the same thing.  If I leave
>off the wrapper and do (as root) "majordomo <email", it functions correctly.
>

This symptom with majordomo usually indicates a problem with access rights.
When I installed the majordomo package, I recall some sort of error message
complaining about an existing majordomo user/group (bug?). After deleting
those and reinstalling majordomo, everything was okay. Could your problem be
related to this?

Regards,

  Erik van der Meulen

  e: erik@avondel.xs4all.nl  p: +31 20 685 1618  f: +31 20 689 6569


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I think you need the xcompat package because dosemu is still an aout 
package.  However, you might also have another problem in acessing the 
floppy drive, once you get the previous problem fixed.  If you do ( which 
you will be able to tell, by it saying can't access floppy not a good day 
to die), you should replace the floppy line in dosemu.conf to read

floppy { image "/var/lib/dosemu/fd0image" }

and then dd the boot floppy to the image by running

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/var/lib/dosemu/fd0image
	   ^assuming A: drive,     ^if not, might want to change this too.

This is only a fix to let you get dosemu up and running, it means you 
don't really have access to a floppy drive.  This bug has been fixed in 
the Development releases, if you wan't to install those on your own.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
--
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On 27 Aug 1996, Dirk Bernhardt wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> My problem:
> 
> umrk:~$ dos
> dos: can't find library 'libX11.so.6'
> umrk:~$ 
> 
> Though it's in /usr/X11R6/lib/. I tried running ldconfig, making a
> link to /usr/lib, but it did not help. What do I do wrong?
> 
> Debian/GNU 1.1.5 with Kernel 2.0.14.
> 
> Ciao,
> 	- Krid -
> 
> 


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I know about the problems with filter, and that is why I am using 
procmail on my linux box.  However, I don't wan't to be e-mailed directly 
to it, because it is not always here.  On the machine I get my 
mail, the only filtering tool they have is filter.  Therefore, I had hoped 
that since filter was a package in the distribution, some one out there 
might have experience with it.

Thanks,

Shaya
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On 27 Aug 1996, Ed Donovan wrote:

> 
> Shaya - 
> 
> I hate to badmouth, (can that be used intransitively?) but, since the
> mail filtering faq's been mentioned, I'll quote it on the topic of
> filter:
> 
> "IMPORTANT NOTE
> ==============
> If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should
> use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter.  This
> recommendation is almost universal; even the developers of Elm and
> Filter recommend procmail over filter.  IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE MAIL
> MESSAGES WHEN USING FILTER; this is rare but it has happened."
> 
> I'm not sure why they leave filter out there, then, but...
> 
> If you've already assessed this situation, then excuse me.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com
> 
> 


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Two things I would like to see in the Debian Mailing Lists:
First... An added [Debian:] tag before the suggest for those
like me who receive from mush than one list.

A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
Debian list on news groups? They aren't enought users? I think
that we got so more users and be more accessible if we put
almost Debian-Users on news (mostly a moderate one but we can do
without). I receive near to 50 mails by day just from this list
and it's not the only one I'm suscribed! News group will help
to keep track of which mail was already replied and will avoid
some traceback.

About other news mecanism, I was thinking about some web-news
service such the one from O'Really. I'm not really good in doing
CGI but I can try to do something (or let this to someone else)
if you're interested.

 ----------
From:  Mike& Candy List[SMTP:troll@net-link.net]
Sent:  Tuesday, August 27, 1996 6:09 PM
To:  debian-user
Subject:  mailing list


I don't want to complain too much, especially since group members have
been so much help,but this mail is out of control.Single messages are
totally acceptable although many, but multiple entries get very tiresome
I'm willing to tough it out (easier than figuring out this OS for this
semi literate dos user)but ........just my $.02 worth

Mike List




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On 27 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Please read the documentation provided. (man mgetty and look into
> /usr/doc/mgetty!)

I have no /usr/doc/mgetty, that was my first problem.
"dpkg --contents mgetty_0.99.deb" and "dpkg --search mgetty" both can't
find it.  There is only /usr/doc/copyright/mgetty.

Did you mean /usr/info?  That seems to have the same information as Gert's
Postscript file, which is what I used for my successful Slackware
installation.  Following that info is complicated a bit by not having
"policy.h".

> David Gaudine (david@annette.concordia.ca) wrote:
> : 
> : 2) What should the line in /etc/inittab be?  I'm using
> :        d3:45:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS2
> :    because this is what worked with Slackware.

"man mgetty" and "info mgetty" give no hint about whether "d3:45" is
correct.  Can somebody tell me what line works for them?

I realize I'm missing something obvious, since I've been reading
the debian and mgetty mailing lists for months and nobody else seems to
have such basic problems.


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Subject: Re: clock -w writes bogus date
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Bill Wohler writes:
> Package: util-linux
> Version: 2.5-5
>   
>   "clock -w" is screwing up the CMOS clock.  See:
> 

You are not alone.  clock has not worked for me at all with this
release.  I had the same symptoms and I had do downgrade to 2.5-4.

Erv

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:38:27 -0500 (CDT)
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Bill Wohler writes:
> Package: util-linux
> Version: 2.5-5
>   
>   "clock -w" is screwing up the CMOS clock.  See:
> ...
>   Is there anything here I'm missing (e.g., related
>   programs/packages/settings)?  The segmentation violation and hanging
>   of clock -r is worth a bug report to be sure, but could the -w
>   failure be a mis-configuration of the timezone or Universal time on
>   my part?  I had answered "no" to the Universal time question at
>   install (due to !@#$# DOS).  I just ran tzconfig to change
>   /etc/timezone from Factory to US/Pacific thinking that was my
>   problem.

This has already been reported in Bug#4265.  Here is a quick patch to
clock.c in util-linux that fixed it for me:

David
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david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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--- clock.c.orig        Mon Aug 26 10:26:53 1996
+++ clock.c     Mon Aug 26 10:31:38 1996
@@ -365,7 +365,7 @@
     }

     /* Read the RTC time/date */
-    retval = ioctl(cmos_fd, RTC_RD_TIME, &tm);
+    retval = ioctl(cmos_fd, RTC_RD_TIME, tm);
     if (retval == -1) {
       perror("ioctl");
       exit(errno);
@@ -463,7 +463,7 @@

     int retval;

-    retval = ioctl(cmos_fd, RTC_SET_TIME, tmp);
+    retval = ioctl(cmos_fd, RTC_SET_TIME, tm);
     if (retval == -1) {
       perror("ioctl");
       exit(errno);


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> A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> Debian list on news groups?

linux.debian.users. Go and get the Linux Hierachy.

Greetings
Bernd


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Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE:
> First... An added [Debian:] tag before the suggest for those
> like me who receive from mush than one list.

The mailing list software adds the following header to all
messages on this list:

	Resent-from: debian-user@lists.debian.org
	
This is good enough to filter this list to its own folder.
If you have heavy mail traffic, you _need_ mail filters.  They're
the only thing that lets me process up to 300 letters per day.

Mangling the subject is out of the question, as far as I'm
concerned. It isn't useful, unless you insist on not filtering
your mail.

> A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> Debian list on news groups? 

This list exists as a newsgroup, though I'm not sure of the name
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Not everyone's news server carries the linux.* hierachy, such as mine.  
Would it be possible to instead of having linux.debian.*, have 
comp.os.linux.debian.*.  

Just wondering,

Shaya Potter
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Shaya Potter
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:

> > A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> > Debian list on news groups?
> 
> linux.debian.users. Go and get the Linux Hierachy.
> 
> Greetings
> Bernd
> 
 


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        Hello, I am running a mailserver for our network on a Debain 1.1
system.  I now need to upgrade the hard drive.  Is there a way I can do this
quick and painless?  Perhaps down the server and intsall the new drive.
Bring the server back up and fdisk and format the new drive, bring the
system down to single user mode and mirror/copy(how?) the entire system onto
the new partitions, remove the old drive, boot with a bootdisk, and re-run LILO?

                                thnx in advance,
                                                  mike...


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Hi,
I have managed to trash the partition table in my hard disk. It is a portable
computer and uses a special partition for suspension (ACER 760iCx). I would
like to know if there is some way to mount my ext2 partition because there are
some valuable data thaill loose otherwise. The DOS partition is correct. There
is something wrong with the swap partition, because swapon complains about not
finding the signature and fdisk also complains about a different logical start
and end to the ext2 partition. As a result of this, the booting procedure fails
with a kernel panic because it can't load the partition. 

As this is the first time that something like this happens to me, I don't know
what other information might be useful. Any ideas on what to do or pointers to
any source of information would be most welcome.

TIA,
Luis.



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> This symptom with majordomo usually indicates a problem with access rights.

Yup.  All the directories were owned by admin.qmail or something similar.
Removing and re-installing majordomo fixed all that.

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I have a Data General "dumb" terminal hooked up to my linux box through a
hard wired serial port. The terminal seems to provide 24 lines on the
screen. Pine handles this fine, but joe and lynx behave as though there
were one more line than there actually is. The behavior is that as you
cursor down the screen (in joe), the previous line appears under the
cursor as you move. Is there an environment variable that I can set to 24
(or even smaller) that will make joe and lynx handle the screen correctly?

TIA,

Dwarf

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Brian C. White writes:
>I'm trying to set up majordomo on our server, but have run into the
>following problem.
>
>Any mail sent to the "majordomo" alias and gets piped into the majordomo
>command via "wrapper" causes majordomo to just spin its wheels, chewing
>cpu cycles and allocating more and more memory.  If I run the command
>manually ("wrapper majordomo <email") it does the same thing.  If I leave
>off the wrapper and do (as root) "majordomo <email", it functions correctly.
>
>My alias:
>
>majordomo:      "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
>
>
>Any ideas?

Check the ownerships and permissions on the log directories.  The log
directory must be 775 majordom.majordom, and the logfiles in it 664
majordom.majordom.

- Richard


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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:20:41 EDT Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE 
(ninoles.fabien@ic.gc.ca) wrote:

> Two things I would like to see in the Debian Mailing Lists:
> First... An added [Debian:] tag before the suggest for those
> like me who receive from mush than one list.

Why ? Use procmail or mh or whatever to split your incoming mail.
I've goit a .maildelivery file that I can share with you.

> A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> Debian list on news groups? They aren't enought users? I think
> that we got so more users and be more accessible if we put
> almost Debian-Users on news (mostly a moderate one but we can do
> without). I receive near to 50 mails by day just from this list
> and it's not the only one I'm suscribed! News group will help
> to keep track of which mail was already replied and will avoid
> some traceback.

Can you elaborate on that ?

> About other news mecanism, I was thinking about some web-news
> service such the one from O'Really. I'm not really good in doing
> CGI but I can try to do something (or let this to someone else)
> if you're interested.

Where can we see this stuff ?
There's already the debian mailing list archives on the Debian 
homepage.

Phil.


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Shaya Potter:
> 
> Not everyone's news server carries the linux.* hierachy, such as mine.  

You could talk your news admin into arranging a special feed for it.
(I think one of the FAQ's or HOWTO's has contact information. If not,
I vaguely remember that Yggdrasil may be involved.)

> Would it be possible to instead of having linux.debian.*, have 
> comp.os.linux.debian.*.  

You might want to read news.announce.newgroups and start an RFD.
(It's not all that difficult, but it _will_ take time, and you
_will_ be flamed, for no reason at all.) Until someone does the
RFD work, all discussion about it is rather futile.

Not that comp.os.linux.debian will solve problems with this mailing
list, since it makes no sense at all to gateway this list and a
newsgroup in the Big 8. Newsgroups attract flamers, this list is
mostly civilised.

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> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> 
> > > A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> > > Debian list on news groups?
> > 
> > linux.debian.users. Go and get the Linux Hierachy.
> > 

	Where would one be able to get a feed for the Linux Hierarchy?

				Mike Mattice


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I'm want to use Linux on a Compaq 486/25SL notebook. I'm stuck on
the following issues and would appreciate any pointers.
1 I believe the video ROM is being shadowed. The BIOS setup
 has options to shadow the video ROM at two different addresses,
 but none to turn it off.
2 Some memory is reserved, presumably for shadowing arcane stuff,
 including but not limited to battery management pop-ups (or is that
 in the video RAM?).
3 Who is reserving this memory? Does the BIOS do it? Or is it DOS?
 Since Linux (Debian) install instructions ask you to turn off all
 shadowing, I can do that automatically if DOS is doing the shadowing,
 but I get the impression that the BIOS does this. The how do I go
 about disabling shadowing and not reserving memory?
4 These machines were supposed to have a small partition with
 diagnostics programs on it. I don't see anything but a Big-DOS
 partition with FIPS and other HDD utilities. Can there be a parition
 that such an utility cannot see? 
5 Some utilities I have used show 256k video RAM, but there's supposed
 to be 512k. The same utilities see 16450 UARTs on my serial port and a 
 16550A on the modem board, but MSD sees 8250s on the serial port.
 How reliable is this stuff? Are there definitive h/w utilities in Linux?
6 After resizing partitions using FIPS, the installation boot disk
 vomits a hda: read_intr: 0x40, but I figure that's because of wrong
 information in the BIOS.

I'm looking at the Troubleshooting info in the LDP and the PC h/w faqs.
Any information will be highly appreciated.
Thanks,
-bhaskar


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> 
>         Hello, I am running a mailserver for our network on a Debain 1.1
> system.  I now need to upgrade the hard drive.  Is there a way I can do this
> quick and painless?  Perhaps down the server and intsall the new drive.
> Bring the server back up and fdisk and format the new drive, bring the
> system down to single user mode and mirror/copy(how?) the entire system onto
> the new partitions, remove the old drive, boot with a bootdisk, and re-run LILO?
> 

	Pretty much, that's how I've done it.  The copy/mirror can be done several
ways.  the one I prefer for simplicity is 'cp -a'. Another way I've seen it done
involves tar and pipes.  The hardest part about that is that you have to make sure
it sets the permissions and users correctly on the second command.  Hope this helps.


					Mike Mattice


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Mike Wood <mike@lostboy.okinternet.com> writes:

> bring the system down to single user mode and mirror/copy(how?) the
> entire system onto the new partitions

There are many ways, but I'd suggest (assuming that you have the new
partition mounted on /mnt, and assuming that you want the entire old
drive on that partition)

su
cd /
find -not -regex "^\./proc/.* -not -regex "^\./mnt/.*" | afio -p /mnt

This should get the entire contents of the old drive onto the
partition mounted on mnt.  Note that it will handle devices, links,
timestamps, the works.  The only thing that I know of that might not
be captured perfectly is the timestamps on the directories.

If you don't want to cross file system boundaries, add the -xdev flag
to the find command.  If you need to get a different set of files,
just modify the find command to get the ones you want.

If you want to list the files being copied, just add the -v flag to
the afio command.  And of course, if you want to make sure you're
getting the right files before actually running the command, just use
/dev/null in place of /mnt, or just use less in place of the afio
command.

Anyone please correct me if I've gotten the command wrong.  I wouldn't
want someone running something broken as root...

--
Rob


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Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
> Not everyone's news server carries the linux.* hierachy, such as mine.  
> Would it be possible to instead of having linux.debian.*, have 
> comp.os.linux.debian.*.  

  Just ask your system admin or ISP to add the linux hierarchy.
  That's what I did, and my ISP was happy to do so.

  I agree, we should propose that the linux hierarchy be moved to
  comp.os.linux hierarchy. Any Usenet heads want to take up the torch
  and CFD?

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>   ph: +1-415-854-1857  fax: +1-415-854-3195
Say it with MIME.  Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs.
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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960828130841.2895A-100000@dwarf.polaris.net>,
Dale Scheetz  <dwarf@polaris.net> wrote:
>I have a Data General "dumb" terminal hooked up to my linux box through a
>hard wired serial port. The terminal seems to provide 24 lines on the
>screen. Pine handles this fine, but joe and lynx behave as though there
>were one more line than there actually is. The behavior is that as you
>cursor down the screen (in joe), the previous line appears under the
>cursor as you move. Is there an environment variable that I can set to 24
>(or even smaller) that will make joe and lynx handle the screen correctly?

Probably a terminfo problem. Your terminal may have auto-wrap (auto-margins)
and terminfo says it doesn't, or vice verse. Also make sure that you do
have the right terminfo entry: if you set term to "linux" its terminfo
entry says it has 25 lines.

Mike.
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> Is there an environment variable that I can set to 24
> (or even smaller) that will make joe and lynx handle the screen correctly?

The variable is LINES.  resize(1x) will output code to set LINES and
ROWS correctly.  I use it like this (this is a bash function):

resize ()
{
    set -f;
    eval $(command resize);
    set +f
}


Guy


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With not making a forward script who check you're
mail to see if it's "crony" and let you know it.
Something like the so-called "vacancy demon".

Fab.

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From:  Al Youngwerth[SMTP:alberty@apexxtech.com]
Sent:  Tuesday, August 27, 1996 8:41 AM
To:  'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
Subject:  RE: cron


That's funny, I haven't figured out how to get it to stop mailing me it
results!
The manpage (or some other documentation I found) says to add the line
MAILTO=<user_to_mail_to> or if you prefer, leave it blank and it should   
never
mail. I've found the MAILTO line doesn't seem to make any difference. If   
the
cron job produces output to STDOUT (or maybe its STDERR), I get a   
friendly
reminder from cron. If the cron job produces no output, I don't get a   
message
from cron.

If anyone really knows how to get cron to stop pestering me, let me know.   


Al Youngwerth
alberty@apexxtech.com

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From:  Miro Torrielli[SMTP:mtorr@worldnet.fr]
Sent:  Tuesday, August 27, 1996 5:53 AM
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  cron

I would be grateful if anyone can tell me how to get cron to
mail me its results daily. Thanx... :-)








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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

> How could I use filter to filter the mail from mailing lists (such as 
> this one) into different folders.  The only thing, I could think of is if 
> there would be a way to do it based on the CC: line, but I didn't see an 
> option in there to do filter based on the CC: line.  
> 
> Also, I was wondering if it is possible to filter the mail, and forward 
> it to anoter computer.  i.e. I want it stored on one machine, but also 
> sent to the machine I read my mail on, just in case something happens to 
> my machine.

Why not look at using procmail as a mail filter.  It can do everything
that you have mentioned above. 

Best regards,

                                     Nick

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Humm... I think I have to complain to my news
maintener... (I don't have this group on my
news server though I have most of the linux
groups... Is it a "regional" group?)

Fab.

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Sent:  Wednesday, August 28, 1996 5:30 PM
To:  Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE
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> A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> Debian list on news groups?

linux.debian.users. Go and get the Linux Hierachy.

Greetings
Bernd



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The problem it's I can't put everything on my online
account and they (administrator) don't have procmail
or mh...

Whatever, I did my suggestions after seeing so mush
mail be reply two or three times for the same problem
with the same answer. That's good for the reputation
of the mail list but mush of the time, it's because
we try to answer directly to the user without checking
what other people already answered. (I do it myself
more of the time). Results: many answers mainly
identicals to a same problems.

More of that, a news group is more organized. Thread
are follow up and it's easy to jump over some who
don't interested yourself. This will help people to
got an answer more easily and more quickly, and to
free a bit the traffic on this mail list (Debian-users).

About the CGI-news thread... I remember to see one in
a HOWTO contributions page... But where? Sorry, I was
looking and don't find it. To give you an idea... it
looks like a news browser on the web. You can start
a thread, reply to a thread, and adding simple HTML
editing you want. All the work are done by forms and CGI
and a Diggest version of the threads are automaticly archive.

Keeping it simple an people can see it on lynx. But I will
keep the other mail lists (like announce and change) in this
current form. I really that can improves the project.

Thanks and sorry for this long reply,
Fab.

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From:  Philippe Troin[SMTP:phil@fifi.org]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 28, 1996 11:44 AM
To:  Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE
Cc:  debian-user
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:20:41 EDT Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE
(ninoles.fabien@ic.gc.ca) wrote:

> Two things I would like to see in the Debian Mailing Lists:
> First... An added [Debian:] tag before the suggest for those
> like me who receive from mush than one list.

Why ? Use procmail or mh or whatever to split your incoming mail.
I've goit a .maildelivery file that I can share with you.

> A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
> Debian list on news groups? They aren't enought users? I think
> that we got so more users and be more accessible if we put
> almost Debian-Users on news (mostly a moderate one but we can do
> without). I receive near to 50 mails by day just from this list
> and it's not the only one I'm suscribed! News group will help
> to keep track of which mail was already replied and will avoid
> some traceback.

Can you elaborate on that ?

> About other news mecanism, I was thinking about some web-news
> service such the one from O'Really. I'm not really good in doing
> CGI but I can try to do something (or let this to someone else)
> if you're interested.

Where can we see this stuff ?
There's already the debian mailing list archives on the Debian
homepage.

Phil.




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Rob Browning <osiris@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
> >   the current version of the libwww-perl package is incomplete.  In
> >   particular, it does not install the HTML sub-package.  After
> >   obtaining the sources to libwww-perl and installing, I got past
> >   the errors above.
> 
> Hmm.  So did you have to do anything special when you built
> libwww-perl to get this sub-package, and did you do this with the real
> upstream sources, or the debian source package?

  [cleaning up my mailbox...]

  Rob, it was relatively straightforward.  I got the libwww-perl
  sources from the "official" place (forget where)--not the Debian
  source--and simply followed the directions (pretty much just "make"
  as I recall).  Could be the Debian source package needs to be
  updated? 

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Hi

I am contemplating installing debian on an
IBM thinkpad 560 Dual scan. Are there any
special things to do regarding this computer?

Are there Linux utilities to test the battery
level etc?

Derek Lee


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I am trying to compile the Embedded Tk source code and run into an error
when the compiler tries to link to the tk library (gcc ... -ltk ...)

Should I modify that to specify the particular version of the library to
look for. I do have the tcl74 tcl75 (current pointer) tcl75-dev, tk40 tk41
(current pointer) and tk41-dev packages installed.

While I have compiled a few programs using make, I am clueless so far
about it (but want to start figuring it out), so my question is the
broader one as well... if I have -ltk in the command line for gcc, what
specific file will gcc look for?

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Here (news.fuller.edu). We have free NNTP access worldwide to the
comp.os.linux and the linux.* hierachies.

mattice@mattice.reslife.okstate.edu wrote:
: > On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
: > 
: > > > A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put
: > > > Debian list on news groups?
: > > 
: > > linux.debian.users. Go and get the Linux Hierachy.
: > > 
: 
: 	Where would one be able to get a feed for the Linux Hierarchy?
: 
: 				Mike Mattice
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Re: Qs about Linux setup on Compaq 486 notebook
 
I'm want to use Linux on a Compaq 486/25SL notebook. I'm stuck on
the following issues and would appreciate any pointers.

1 I believe the video ROM is being shadowed. The BIOS setup
 has options to shadow the video ROM at two different addresses,
 but none to turn it off.

I've seen the cautions about shadowing, but have never been bothered by
the existence of it on my system (an AMI BIOS, several years old now).
I've run all the Linux's available including Redhat, Debian, Slackware,
Minilinux, etc, and had no problem from it with any of them.  The reason:
Linux doesn't use the normally shadowed memory addresses.  It avoids the
total 384K of memory completely (!) on most distributions of the kernel
it is unused and marked reserved.  It is not used.  However, there are
some that attempt to use portions of it, such as LinuxLite, to enable them
to run on very low memory configurations.  Otherwise, you should not have
any grief from this at all.

2 Some memory is reserved, presumably for shadowing arcane stuff,
 including but not limited to battery management pop-ups (or is that
 in the video RAM?).

Now, you mention a potential for problems with some laptops.  Many vendors
DO reserve portions of the "upper memory area" (that 384K normally used for
hardware options, shadowing the ROM's, etc, for special purposes that are
intended to improve the performance of the laptop or notebook.  In some
cases this memory can be recovered by the user, and in others it cannot.
With some laptops, this could render the machine useless I suspect, but 
with most it should be of little consequence.

3 Who is reserving this memory? Does the BIOS do it? Or is it DOS?

Its almost always the BIOS functionality that does this, and on many it is
done to provide additional cache to improve the disk performance, etc.

 Since Linux (Debian) install instructions ask you to turn off all
 shadowing, I can do that automatically if DOS is doing the shadowing,
 but I get the impression that the BIOS does this. The how do I go
 about disabling shadowing and not reserving memory?

Well, as I said above, it might not be a debilitating problem.  On some 
models it could be.

4 These machines were supposed to have a small partition with
 diagnostics programs on it. I don't see anything but a Big-DOS
 partition with FIPS and other HDD utilities. Can there be a parition
 that such an utility cannot see? 

Sure, DOS can only see certain types.  For instance, it can't see a Linux
partition either!  Its just like it doesn't exist.  However, you should be
able to see it using Linux's fdisk.  The problem there of course is you'll
have to be running Linux to be able to use it!  You could install something
like Minilinux using an umsdos file system (installs to a directory on an
existing FAT partition).  Its actually quite small (only will use about 40
megs).

5 Some utilities I have used show 256k video RAM, but there's supposed
 to be 512k. The same utilities see 16450 UARTs on my serial port and a 
 16550A on the modem board, but MSD sees 8250s on the serial port.
 How reliable is this stuff? Are there definitive h/w utilities in Linux?

Video RAM is troublesome.  Always has been, for any system.  Linux's
setserial utility will tell you exactly what they are.  It works.  MSD does
report certain "emulations" of 16450 as 8250, and many do not pass muster
for the 550 either.  There are many 16550 "compatibles" and emulations that
are not really 16550's.  Thats also common.

6 After resizing partitions using FIPS, the installation boot disk
 vomits a hda: read_intr: 0x40, but I figure that's because of wrong
 information in the BIOS.

I don't have any idea what you mean by this, so can't comment.




> information in the BIOS.
>
>I'm looking at the Troubleshooting info in the LDP and the PC h/w faqs.
>Any information will be highly appreciated.
>Thanks,
>-bhaskar


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Bill Wohler writes:
-> Package: util-linux
-> Version: 2.5-5
->   
->   "clock -w" is screwing up the CMOS clock.  See:
-> 
-> 	# cat /etc/timezone
-> 	US/Pacific
-> 	# clock -r
-> 	Wed Aug 28 00:52:27 1996
-> 	# date
-> 	Wed Aug 28 00:51:54 PDT 1996
-> 	# clock -w
-> 	# clock -r
-> 	Mon Aug 11 00:07:58 2031
-> 	# clock -wu
-> 	Segmentation fault (core dumped)
-> 	# clock -r
-> 	<hangs: goes into tight loop>
-> 
->   Is there anything here I'm missing (e.g., related
->   programs/packages/settings)?  The segmentation violation and hanging
->   of clock -r is worth a bug report to be sure, but could the -w
->   failure be a mis-configuration of the timezone or Universal time on
->   my part?  I had answered "no" to the Universal time question at
->   install (due to !@#$# DOS).  I just ran tzconfig to change
->   /etc/timezone from Factory to US/Pacific thinking that was my
->   problem.
-> 

This appears to be a bug in clock from util-linux.  Using "clock" from
this package with the Real time clock enabled in the kernel will cause
a segfault.  I ran into this same problem, and worked around it by
building a hernel with the RTC disabled. Hadn't gotten around to
submitting a bug report yet.  The workarounds seem to be:

1) set the system clock to UTC.
2) downgrade util-linux, or
3) build a kernel with the RTC disabled

-Larry

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  Derek>  Hi I am contemplating installing debian on an IBM thinkpad 560 Dual
  Derek> scan. Are there any special things to do regarding this computer?

No idea, check the Linux Laptop home page (http://www.redhat.com/llhp/)

  Derek> Are there Linux utilities to test the battery level etc?

Yes, apmd. Also available as a Debian package. Requires that the laptop
respects APM Bios 2.0 or 2.1, I believe (all new ones do).

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On 28 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> Probably a terminfo problem. Your terminal may have auto-wrap (auto-margins)
> and terminfo says it doesn't, or vice verse. Also make sure that you do
> have the right terminfo entry: if you set term to "linux" its terminfo
> entry says it has 25 lines.
> 
This bring up another issue. This terminal obviously has special needs. Is
there a way in /etc/profile (or somewhere else) to set up the proper
conditions based on the terminal rather than the user? That is, can I
determine at login time what tty is being used and set the proper
conditions reguardless of the user logging in?

Thanks,

Dwarf

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I think we should do the following.

1. Map all high traffic groups / mailing lists linux.xxx to
   comp.os.linux.*

2. reorganize the linux.* groups to throw obsolete things out.

3. Make all groups non-moderated. The current setup is a major
   speed problem.

Anyone who wants newsgroup access to linux.* right now is invited to 
access the newsserver news.fuller.edu.


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Allow me the privelege of flaming myself for not reading   the man pages!!!

I found the answer to all my questions right there in the gcc man file. 

My humblest apologies for spamming the list with my further inanities...

On "Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:49:46 CDT." "David Morris" wove together:
[> I am trying to compile the Embedded Tk source code and run into an error
[> when the compiler tries to link to the tk library (gcc ... -ltk ...)
[my own ramblings snipped]

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can anyone advise a new debian user on a scenario in which a useable
system can be installed on a 120 meg hard drive with a 20 meg swap
on another disk? If I can't use it for much then it seems that I would 
be better off going back to microstuffit- not all bad but........
thanks 1&all    Mike List


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XFree86 3.1.2F is out, according to http://www.xfree86.org.  I am
wondering if a
Debian package of this beta software will be made available.  Anyone
have any
plans to make this available???
 -Erik
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> 
> The problem it's I can't put everything on my online
> account and they (administrator) don't have procmail
> or mh...

That's one reason why I use MH on my home machine...  Nobody but me 
cares that I have 100MB of archived mail.  I can do any sort of 
filtering I want, and so forth.  That's one of the nice things about 
running Linux... you are free to use sophisticated tools your ISP won't 
let you.

> That's good for the reputation
> of the mail list but mush of the time, it's because
> we try to answer directly to the user without checking
> what other people already answered. (I do it myself
> more of the time). Results: many answers mainly
> identicals to a same problems.

Yes, and this happens also on newsgroups.  If anything, it is -worse- 
on newsgroups, since people are more likely to follow-up without 
checking or before propagation delays allow them to even seee the other 
followups.  Newsgroups also have larger propagation, and attract spam, 
flames, irrelavancies, meaningless crossposts, and so forth.  Can you 
imagine if a comp.os.linux.advocacy/comp.os.windows.advocacy 
crossposting got into ...debian.users?

The only real solution would be to moderate it, which would overwork 
some poor volunteer and probably change the flavor of the list.

> 
> More of that, a news group is more organized. Thread
> are follow up and it's easy to jump over some who
> don't interested yourself. This will help people to
> got an answer more easily and more quickly, and to
> free a bit the traffic on this mail list (Debian-users).

This is a mis-conception.  Newsgroups are only -slightly- more 
organized than mailing lists, in that newsgroups add an additional 
header: "References", which allows newsreaders to tie articles together 
into threads a bit easier.  A mail program should also be able to do 
some degree of threading.  Granted, most mail programs don't, but then, 
neither does rn, one of the classic news programs out there.

> About the CGI-news thread... I remember to see one in
> a HOWTO contributions page... But where? Sorry, I was
> looking and don't find it. 

And that is part of the problem...  The Kernel Hacker's Guide is like 
that, but I don't read it as much as I wanted to when I first saw it.  
Where was that?  I don't know, it's in my Netscape bookmarks.  But I 
don't leave Netscape up all the time, it's a memory hog.  My mail 
reader, however, isn't.  I also don't have to be online, nor do I have 
to go to it, and so forth.

> 
> Thanks and sorry for this long reply,
> Fab.


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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> On 28 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> > Probably a terminfo problem. Your terminal may have auto-wrap (auto-margins)
> > and terminfo says it doesn't, or vice verse. Also make sure that you do
> > have the right terminfo entry: if you set term to "linux" its terminfo
> > entry says it has 25 lines.
> > 
> This bring up another issue. This terminal obviously has special needs. Is
> there a way in /etc/profile (or somewhere else) to set up the proper
> conditions based on the terminal rather than the user? That is, can I
> determine at login time what tty is being used and set the proper
> conditions reguardless of the user logging in?

I have this in my .bash_profile to set my terminal to vt320 if I'm
calling in on the phone which I rarely do anymore::

TTY=`tty`
case $TTY in
  /dev/ttyS?) TERM=vt320 ;;
esac

Actually, this brings up yet another issue.  vt320 doesn't seem to be
supported anymore (or maybe it never was on Debian, I don't know). If I
try to use vt320 I get: 

Cannot open termcap file
  vt320 not builtin

  or

Unknown terminal.

Does Debian support vt320?  I see there is a vt320 file under
/usr/lib/terminfo/v/vt320.  Am I doing something wrong?

Gerry


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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE wrote:

> More of that, a news group is more organized. Thread
> are follow up and it's easy to jump over some who
> don't interested yourself. This will help people to
> got an answer more easily and more quickly, and to
> free a bit the traffic on this mail list (Debian-users).
> 
(clipped)

If you haven't yet, I suggest you look at pine.  Pine can be set
to sort on "ordered subject" and will behave like a threaded
news reader.  (I think it isn't "actually threaded" but I don't
know the exact difference.)  Pine makes newgroups and mailing
lists almost equivalent.  (some people don't like that design,
though.)

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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Brian C. White wrote:

G'morning everybody,

> > This symptom with majordomo usually indicates a problem with access rights.
> 
> Yup.  All the directories were owned by admin.qmail or something similar.
> Removing and re-installing majordomo fixed all that.

Is qmail already debianized ? This thing is lightning fast and very
fexible. I replaced my sendmail installation with qmail recently on my
private system but as you can imagine... not in the proper "debian way".

Greetings,

Steffen
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Hi,
My pentium is not booting after I installed Debian 1.1 (kernel 2.0.0).  The
system hangs after configuring the serial ports.  Here is what the last screen
looks like.

----------------
Running /etc/init.d/boot
.
Loading modules lp ...
ne loading device 'eth0'
eth0: NE2000 found at 0x300, using irq 9
.
cdrom Module inserted ...
isofs ncpfs nfs nfs smbfs ipx                   # module nfs is loaded twice?
.
serial Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq=4) is a 16550A
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq=3) is a 16550A

Mounting local file systems...
/proc on /proc type proc (rw)
/dev/sda2 on /user1 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/sdb1 on /user2 type ext2 (rw)

none: Host name lookup failure                 # But hostname was configured

Mounting remote file systems...
Local time:                                    # I chose "localtime" *

Cleaning up /tmp, /var/run and /var/lock ... done
Console setup:
   Linking /dev/console to /dev/tty0

Configuring serial ports....done.
/dev/cua0 at 0x03f8 (irq=4) is a 16550A
/dev/cua1 at 0x02f8 (irq=3) is a 16550A

-------------------------
That's it; here the system hangs.
I went over the installation procedure again, this time doing everything except
partitioning the two SCSI disks - the old scheme was retained.  After
configuring, I went into the shell instead of rebooting and checked some of the
boot scripts.  I am not familiar with shell scripts, but found one error in
/etc/init.d/boot : a chown command was wrong (chown root.tty ...); I changed
root.tty to root:tty, and rebooted the system.  It hung at the same point.

The first time I did the installation, I chose the "hard disk boot" option, but
this did not work.  It hung, searching for a disk in the FDD.  On inserting the
boot floppy, which too had been prepared, it booted, only to hang as mentioned
above.

I am not sure what other information would be useful, but here are some of the
hardware details.

Pentium 100 MHz
Two SCSI HDDs : SEAGATE ST5 1080N (1030 Mb each)
using Future Domain TMC-3260 (PCI) controller.
One 3.5" FDD
One ATAPI CDROM
NE2000 ethernet
Monitor is 14" SVGA colour

* India is 5h30m ahead of GMT; is it possible to set up linux to show Indian
Standard Time (IST)?

Can someone help?
Thanks.
Shankar.


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From: heiko@lotte.sax.de (Heiko Schlittermann)
Subject: Re: what is -ltk looking for?
To: bweaver@worf.netins.net (David Morris)
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David Morris wrote:
: 
: I am trying to compile the Embedded Tk source code and run into an error
: when the compiler tries to link to the tk library (gcc ... -ltk ...)
: 
: Should I modify that to specify the particular version of the library to
: look for. I do have the tcl74 tcl75 (current pointer) tcl75-dev, tk40 tk41
: (current pointer) and tk41-dev packages installed.

Since the libtk versions are incompatible (at API level, as far as I can
guess -- I've tried (now successfully) to adopt source written for
< tk7.4 (?) and for every new libtk (7.4, 7.4) I encountered slight
changes at API level) you should consider change your makefiles to 
the proper library (-ltk74 rsp. -ltk75).

: While I have compiled a few programs using make, I am clueless so far
: about it (but want to start figuring it out), so my question is the
: broader one as well... if I have -ltk in the command line for gcc, what
: specific file will gcc look for?

gcc will look for  (not 100% sure, you should read  the gcc manual or
info pages)
        libtk.so
        libtk.a
in the library path (normally .:/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib).  The
path can be changed with -L/tmp/lib or similar.


!!! This all is written from mind, please rely too much on this.  Read
!!! the manual pages for the truth.


    Heiko
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I hope this to be my last contribution to this thread, so I'll
try to make it thorough. Sorry about the length.

I will use "must" to indicate that unless we do it that
way, there is going to be problems and the Debian project
will suffer. (No film at 11.) I'm willing to stake whatever
reputation I have on the Internet on this. These opinions aren't
mere whims. I base them on a few thousand hours spent using a
news reader in the past seven years.

* debian-user@lists.debian.org must not be replaced with a news group

	News articles move much slower than e-mail messages. This
	is because news is not a critical resource to most people,
	so admins don't want to spend lots of money to make it 
	move fast. Part of the problem is that the volume of news
	is huge (our university news server sometimes got more than
	two gigabytes per day, until they cut binaries groups).
	
	Therefore debian-user must stay.
	
* debian-user@lists.debian.org must not be linked with comp.os.linux.debian
  (or other comp.* group)

	It is easy to post (or cross-post) messages to newsgroups
	you don't read. It happens all the time. Some people do it
	to start flame wars (trolling).
	
	It is also easy to start reading a newsgroup. Many more
	people read a newsgroup than an average mailing list. If
	there is a flame war, there will be many participants
	and it will go on and on and on. It is almost impossible
	to kill a flame war on a newsgroup. Because news moves
	slowly, if people in one part of the world cease fire,
	a couple of days later some other people somewhere else 
	will get the first articles and be angry and start it all
	over again. Cross-posts make flame wars worse.
	
	Flame wars on mailing lists are easy to control.
	Subscribing to a list takes much more effort, which
	reduces the number of participants. People who won't
	stop can be thrown out of the list.
	
	If debian-user and col.debian are linked (with messages in
	one appearing in the other), the usefulness of the list will
	vanish. We will see flame war after flame war (not to mention
	spam after spam -- the spam can't be cancelled from the
	mailing list).
	
	The existing linux.debian.user group is OK (see below), but
	a mainstream group is not.
	
* linux.* must not be moved to comp.os.linux.*

	Same reasons apply as to mailing lists. linux.* aren't on
	everyone's news server, so fewer people can easily access
	them, but anyway who wants to can.
	
* comp.os.linux.debian (and col.red-hat and col.slackware) can be 
  created if they are independent of the respective mailing lists
  
	Personally, I don't think distribution-specific news
	groups will do much good, but I don't mind if they
	are created. If it comes to voting, I will vote against
	them, but I expect to be out-voted.
	
	If you want the mainstream groups, read and follow the
	instructions in news.announce.newgroups. Don't expect
	anyone else to do it. (This is the standard answer
	to almost all proposals for new groups. It tends to
	silence almost all people. :)
	
* If you think reading news is easier than reading mail, get 
  better software.
  
  	There's no inherent reason why news readers should be
	better at grouping related messages together than mail
	readers. If your mail reader isn't capable of doing it,
	get a better one. Or start reading thew linux.* groups.
	
	If your ISP (or company, or whatever) doesn't have any
	better programs installed, well, that's unfortunate.
	I know one person who still reads all his mail with
	/bin/mail and who refuses to learn procmail. He
	doesn't have a right to demand list-specific keywords
	in subjects so that he can tell different lists apart
	from the subject alone. Mail filters exist because they
	are necessary. If you can't use them, you lose.

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You (Dale Scheetz) wrote:
> On 28 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> > Probably a terminfo problem. Your terminal may have auto-wrap (auto-margins)
> > and terminfo says it doesn't, or vice verse. Also make sure that you do
> > have the right terminfo entry: if you set term to "linux" its terminfo
> > entry says it has 25 lines.
> > 
> This bring up another issue. This terminal obviously has special needs. Is
> there a way in /etc/profile (or somewhere else) to set up the proper
> conditions based on the terminal rather than the user? That is, can I
> determine at login time what tty is being used and set the proper
> conditions reguardless of the user logging in?

Well yeah, if you run agetty (which is /sbin/getty on Debian ofcourse)
you can put the terminal type at the end of the command line. For example
if your terminal is a vt100, then in /etc/inittab:

S1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty /dev/ttyS1 9600 vt100

Mike.
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At 12:03 AM 8/29/96 -0700, Mike& Candy List wrote:

>can anyone advise a new debian user on a scenario in which a useable
>system can be installed on a 120 meg hard drive with a 20 meg swap
>on another disk? If I can't use it for much then it seems that I would 
>be better off going back to microstuffit- not all bad but........
>thanks 1&all    Mike List
>

You might want to be a bit more specific as to what exactly would
make a system usable in your case.
I use a Debian box for file and printer sharing, UUCP mail and news
server, internet gateway and fax server. On my 220 Mb disk about 40%
is used by the system.
If on the other hand you need X, you are going to run out of disk space.
But then, the latest graphical shells of 'microstuffit' will not 
fit either.

Regards,

  Erik van der Meulen

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It seems that the modules.tgz file is broken in all the
rex/disks-i386/special-kernel images:

tar ztvf /mnt/modules.tgz
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 1996-07-12 09:34 lib/
[cut]
-rw-r--r-- root/root     29055 1996-07-12 09:34 lib/modules/2.0.5/fs/xiafs.o
tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now

Luckily boot1440_2.0.5-5.bin (broken) had the net driver modules
I needed...

TIA,

Topi Miettinen

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It is looking for libtk, the way debian installs tk won't work with just 
-ltk, you need -ltk4.0 or -ltk4.1 depending on which version of tk you 
have installed (or which version the program you are trying to compile 
requires).  

Debian does this so you can have multiple versions of tcl and tk on your 
computer because some programs require a specific version of tcl or tk.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, David Morris wrote:

> I am trying to compile the Embedded Tk source code and run into an error
> when the compiler tries to link to the tk library (gcc ... -ltk ...)
> 
> Should I modify that to specify the particular version of the library to
> look for. I do have the tcl74 tcl75 (current pointer) tcl75-dev, tk40 tk41
> (current pointer) and tk41-dev packages installed.
> 
> While I have compiled a few programs using make, I am clueless so far
> about it (but want to start figuring it out), so my question is the
> broader one as well... if I have -ltk in the command line for gcc, what
> specific file will gcc look for?
> 
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Hello there!!!

I have a problem. I have a RedHat CD and installed linux, but i have a
problem with my AHA-2940 in the kernel 1.2.13 (it's not supported)
I get kernel 2.0.0 and compiled it for my system with all common
options:
AHA-2940 support, SLIP, PPP, Networking, TCP/IP, autoload modules etc.
When i first time boot the new kernel image i get this messages:

On rpc.mountd i get the message :
"rpc.mountd Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send;
errno = Network is unreachable unable to register (mountd, 1, udp)."

On rpc.nfsd i get the message :
".rpc.nfsd Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send;
errno = Network is unreachable unable to register (nfsd, 2, udp)."

I realy don't know what is this means but i don't like it. On reboot
i get after KILL another message: "INIT: error reading initrequest"
about a minute. After this my computer reboots. All my attempts to work
with netvork failed (on ftp to 127.0.0.1 i get the message
"Network is unreachable").

My system is Pentium 100, 32M, FX Triton, 2 IDE disks, PCI AHA-2940,
SCSI disk, SCSI CD-ROM, Creative SB16, modem.

I'm new in linux, please help me to understand what is my problem &
how can i fix it. 10x.

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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:

> I have this in my .bash_profile to set my terminal to vt320 if I'm
> calling in on the phone which I rarely do anymore::
> 
> TTY=`tty`
> case $TTY in
>   /dev/ttyS?) TERM=vt320 ;;
> esac
> 
Thanks! This let me; 'stty cstopb' to fix login's insistance that 1 stop
bit is sufficient (not for this terminal). Is the syntax for this
structure documented in the bash manual page? Can I put more than one
command in the case block?

Thanks again,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> Well yeah, if you run agetty (which is /sbin/getty on Debian ofcourse)
> you can put the terminal type at the end of the command line. For example
> if your terminal is a vt100, then in /etc/inittab:
> 
> S1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty /dev/ttyS1 9600 vt100
> 
My inittab line has ansi instead of vt100 (it is a little better in this
case). What I was looking for was more like what Gerry suggested.
I also tried your suggestion on the LINES environment variable with little
success.
This is a REALLY DUMB terminal. It claims to handle vt100, and because
pine seems to work, it does seem to support some major subset of the
protocol. But, for instance, if the new line to write to the screen is
only 70 characters and the line being written over had 80, the last 10
characters of the previous line remain after the new line is printed. Also
a tab in the front of the line fails to clear out old characters there as
well.
I got these terminals (8 of them) off the back of a truck that was hauling
them to the dump. It's no big deal if that's where they finally end up. I
have been using this junk to improve my knowledge of the internals of tty
handling. In that reguard they have been worth far more than I paid for
them ;-)

Thanks for all the pointers,

Dwarf

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 shankar@csnio.ren.nic.in wrote:

> Hi,
> My pentium is not booting after I installed Debian 1.1 (kernel 2.0.0).  The
> system hangs after configuring the serial ports.  Here is what the last screen
> looks like.
> 
> ----------------
> Running /etc/init.d/boot
> .
> Loading modules lp ...
> ne loading device 'eth0'
> eth0: NE2000 found at 0x300, using irq 9
> .
> cdrom Module inserted ...
> isofs ncpfs nfs nfs smbfs ipx                   # module nfs is loaded twice?
> .
> serial Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
> tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq=4) is a 16550A
> tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq=3) is a 16550A
> 
> Mounting local file systems...
> /proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> /dev/sda2 on /user1 type ext2 (rw)
> /dev/sdb1 on /user2 type ext2 (rw)
> 
> none: Host name lookup failure                 # But hostname was configured
> 
> Mounting remote file systems...
> Local time:                                    # I chose "localtime" *
> 
> Cleaning up /tmp, /var/run and /var/lock ... done
> Console setup:
>    Linking /dev/console to /dev/tty0
> 
> Configuring serial ports....done.
> /dev/cua0 at 0x03f8 (irq=4) is a 16550A
> /dev/cua1 at 0x02f8 (irq=3) is a 16550A
> 
> -------------------------
> That's it; here the system hangs.
> I went over the installation procedure again, this time doing everything except
> partitioning the two SCSI disks - the old scheme was retained.  After
> configuring, I went into the shell instead of rebooting and checked some of the
> boot scripts.  I am not familiar with shell scripts, but found one error in
> /etc/init.d/boot : a chown command was wrong (chown root.tty ...); I changed
> root.tty to root:tty, and rebooted the system.  It hung at the same point.
> 
> The first time I did the installation, I chose the "hard disk boot" option, but
> this did not work.  It hung, searching for a disk in the FDD.  On inserting the
> boot floppy, which too had been prepared, it booted, only to hang as mentioned
> above.
> 
> I am not sure what other information would be useful, but here are some of the
> hardware details.
> 
> Pentium 100 MHz
> Two SCSI HDDs : SEAGATE ST5 1080N (1030 Mb each)
> using Future Domain TMC-3260 (PCI) controller.
> One 3.5" FDD
> One ATAPI CDROM
> NE2000 ethernet
> Monitor is 14" SVGA colour
> 
Looks like you have no driver for the Future Domain controler in your
kernel. Look at the special kernels and see if there is one that will
work. If not, let me know, and I will try to build you a custom kernel.

Luck,

Dwarf

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To: heiko@lotte.sax.de (Heiko Schlittermann)
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Heiko Schlittermann writes:
> Since the libtk versions are incompatible (at API level, as far as I can
> guess -- I've tried (now successfully) to adopt source written for

This is correct and is also why the author started putting the version
number in the library file name.

> < tk7.4 (?) and for every new libtk (7.4, 7.4) I encountered slight
> changes at API level) you should consider change your makefiles to 
> the proper library (-ltk74 rsp. -ltk75).

This is what should be done, except your examples should actually
-ltcl7.4 and -ltcl7.5.

David
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Kevin M Bealer <kmb203@psu.edu> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE wrote:

> > More of that, a news group is more organized. Thread
> > are follow up and it's easy to jump over some who
> > don't interested yourself. This will help people to
> > got an answer more easily and more quickly, and to
> > free a bit the traffic on this mail list (Debian-users).
> > 
> (clipped)

> If you haven't yet, I suggest you look at pine.  Pine can be set
> to sort on "ordered subject" and will behave like a threaded
> news reader.  (I think it isn't "actually threaded" but I don't
> know the exact difference.)  Pine makes newgroups and mailing
> lists almost equivalent.  (some people don't like that design,
> though.)

Or, if you prefer, you can use GNUS.  For me, procmail dumps
debian-user into the file incoming/mail.lists.debian-user.spool, GNUS
automatically adds those messages to a special mail folder,
'mail.lists.debian-user', which looks just like a newsgroup.  I sort
about 10 mailing lists this way and read them just like newsgroups.
Some have auto-expire set, others do not.

This gives you scoring and threading for free.  Without this, I would
not read mailling lists.

(Or, if you prefer command line interfaces, you may want to check out
MH) 

Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu


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I would first off like to say, that the new Debian Faq is great and has 
lots of usefull information.  Now that I got that out of the way, here 
are the little nit pickings. 

It seems that it has not converted over to postscript gracefully.  When I 
printed it out on my Laser Jet 4M plus, there were many places that it 
appeared things (?macros?) were not replaced.  However when I viewed it 
with Ghostview/Ghostscript on my HP-UX machine (I assume it would look 
the same under Linux)  It seemed to do all the replacing right.  

My only other problem with the FAQ, is that since it is fully justified 
there are lines where the spacing is totally out of whack.  You can have 
just 5 words take up a whole line with room for at least double the 
amount on the line!  This problem showed up in both the printout and when 
viewing it with Ghostview/Ghostscript.

I don't know if this would qualify as a bug, so I don't want to report 
them. (Are there bugs for a FAQ anyways?)  I also may not have time to 
fill out a bug report, because I start my senior of high school (one more 
year, one more year!!) after labor day and I don't know how often I will 
have access to my e-mail account.  I do plan now to try to keep with 
maintaining xanim.  I will also try to be active on this list, but can't 
make any promises, because when it comes to internet access at home, I 
answer to a higher authority (namely my father).  So if I would 
appreciate if this is a "bug" that someone report it for me.

So long for now, and thanks for all the help,

Shaya
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

[...]

> This bring up another issue. This terminal obviously has special needs. Is
> there a way in /etc/profile (or somewhere else) to set up the proper
> conditions based on the terminal rather than the user? That is, can I
> determine at login time what tty is being used and set the proper
> conditions reguardless of the user logging in?
> 

Here's what I have in /ect/profile to do what I think you want;
--------------------------cut---------------------------------
TTYTYPE=`tty|cut -f 3 -d /|grep -f - /etc/ttytype|cut -f 1 -d " "`
  if [ "$TTYTYPE" = "" ]; then
   :
  else
   TERM=$TTYTYPE
  fi

unset TTYTYPE
-------------------------cut----------------------------------

/etc/ttytype looks like this;
-------------------------cut----------------------------------
vt100 ttyS0
vt100 ttyS1
vt100 ttyS2
vt100 ttyS3
-------------------------cut----------------------------------

In this case I set all the serial ports to vt100 and leaving
everything else alone. I forget where the ttytype idea came from but I
ripped it off from somewhere.

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:22:48 -0600
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Erik B Andersen <andersee@et.byu.edu> wrote:
] XFree86 3.1.2F is out, according to http://www.xfree86.org.  I am
] wondering if a
] Debian package of this beta software will be made available.  Anyone
] have any
] plans to make this available???

   I would really appreciate this as well.

   I use a card based on the S3 765 (not the 764), and this chip breaks
all the 3.1.2's prior to beta release "E".  Release "E" works well, i
havent tested "F".


Sebastian


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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Erik B Andersen wrote:

> XFree86 3.1.2F is out, according to http://www.xfree86.org.  I am
> wondering if a
> Debian package of this beta software will be made available.  Anyone
> have any
> plans to make this available???
>  -Erik

I sure hope so; doesn't 3.1.2E expire Monday?


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> can anyone advise a new debian user on a scenario in which a useable
> system can be installed on a 120 meg hard drive with a 20 meg swap
> on another disk? If I can't use it for much then it seems that I would
> be better off going back to microstuffit- not all bad but........
> thanks 1&all    Mike List

Luxury!

On a 20MHz 386 with 6MB Ram, 60MB Disk (8 Swap, 52 System) we ran:

 - fax server
 - source code repository
 - dial-in server
 - bug-report tracking

No X-Windows or anything, but a very functional system and the hub of
our development team at the time.
                                             
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Hello,

I have a small problem integrating a new debian system into an existing
bad maintained network. 
I installed the NIS package, everything so far is ok. ypbind connects to
an NIS-Server, but to the wrong one. So I wanted to connect explicit to
another with the option:
>
>ypbind -S lfm,fee
>
but afterwards I get:
>
>plus:/home/dirk# ypwhich
>can't yp_bind: Reason: RPC failure
>
On the NIS Server I see
>
>ypproc_domain_nonack("lfm") [From: 127.0.0.1:1463]
>        -> OK.
>
after connecting with ypbind -S lfm,fee. 
The lockfile tells me:
>
>Aug 29 17:41:00 plus ypbind[580]: Running in restricted mode -- request >to bind domain "lfm.rwth-aachen.de" rejected. 
>

Normally we are running NYS, and do not use ypbind. I wanted to restrict
myself to use only debian packages to keep the system running. But, I
didn't found a NYS package, wich installs the appropriate libraries.

Any Ideas?

Thanks Dirk


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I'm   using Smail3.1.29.1  #29.37 from the  debian
package  install, and having nothing but problems.
Ignoring the earlier file locking trouble, I'm now
discovering that for  some reason,  the  following
occurs:

	/USR/SBIN/CRON is spawned
	runq is called
	runq goes zombie
	cron goes zombie

The crontab for mail looks normal:

	03,23,43 * * * * /usr/bin/runq

This rinses, lathers and repeats until the machine
is crippled. Another oddity is that calling 'runq'
outside of cron  results in the creation of  /two/
runq processes. Anyone come across this behaviour?

   - Eamon Daly


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Miquel van Smoorenburg writes:
> 
> In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960828130841.2895A-100000@dwarf.polaris.net>,
> Dale Scheetz  <dwarf@polaris.net> wrote:
> >I have a Data General "dumb" terminal hooked up to my linux box through a
> >hard wired serial port. The terminal seems to provide 24 lines on the
> >screen. Pine handles this fine, but joe and lynx behave as though there
> >were one more line than there actually is. The behavior is that as you
> >cursor down the screen (in joe), the previous line appears under the
> >cursor as you move. Is there an environment variable that I can set to 24
> >(or even smaller) that will make joe and lynx handle the screen correctly?
> 
> Probably a terminfo problem. Your terminal may have auto-wrap (auto-margins)
> and terminfo says it doesn't, or vice verse. Also make sure that you do
> have the right terminfo entry: if you set term to "linux" its terminfo
> entry says it has 25 lines.

joe doesn't use terminfo. It comes with its own (very small) termcap file
and uses this. I never had the time to test joe with terminfo support
compiled in instead. The upstream author recommends to not use it anyway.

Michael
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Hi,

Some packages, among them workbone and symlinks, still provide an a.out
binary in /usr/bin/, but no dependency on libc4 (workbone even depends on 
libc5...).



	Niels

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote:

> 	It is also easy to start reading a newsgroup. Many more
> 	people read a newsgroup than an average mailing list.
[snip]
> 	Subscribing to a list takes much more effort, which
> 	reduces the number of participants.
[snip]
> 	linux.* aren't on
> 	everyone's news server, so fewer people can easily access
> 	them, but anyway who wants to can.

There seems to be a pattern here.  What about people that hear about Linux
for the first time?  They're likely to head directly to comp.* and read
the "Slackware vs. Red Hat" threads.  I installed Slackware long before I
knew there was a Debian mailing list or newsgroup, and I assume that
a lot of Debian users are "converts" for the same reason.  This might cut
down on the number of silly questions, but it probably also cuts down on
the number of Debian users.  I would think that a prominent debian
newsgroup would get a lot more attention.  I guess it depends on whether
you want debian to eventually become the major system, or used mainly by
people with prior Linux experience.  (Am I correct in assuming that most
people start with Slackware or Red Hat because they're prominent?)

A few months ago, someone asked me to investigate debian.  I looked in
comp.os.linux.*, and came up empty because the word "debian" did not appear
once in the 7 days of articles that my server still had.  I searched for
any newsgroup with the word "debian" in it and there were none.
Eventually I found something, probably by doing a web search.  Keeping
Linux discussion on a mailing list and a "hidden" newsgroup certainly
doesn't make it easy for newcomers looking for Debian info.  And they have
no reason to try very hard, with people screaming "Slackware!" at them.

> * If you think reading news is easier than reading mail, get 
>   better software.

Some people don't have much control over their software, and some
people don't have sufficient disk quotas to use mailing lists.  If I were
a student here I certainly wouldn't be on any mailing lists.  (It's bad
enough having to fit a web page into 500K!)


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At 04:37 PM 8/29/96 +0300, you wrote:
>Hello there!!!
>
>I have a problem. I have a RedHat CD and installed linux, but i have a
>problem with my AHA-2940 in the kernel 1.2.13 (it's not supported)
>I get kernel 2.0.0 and compiled it for my system with all common
>options:
>AHA-2940 support, SLIP, PPP, Networking, TCP/IP, autoload modules etc.
>When i first time boot the new kernel image i get this messages:
>
>On rpc.mountd i get the message :
>"rpc.mountd Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send;
>errno = Network is unreachable unable to register (mountd, 1, udp)."
>
>On rpc.nfsd i get the message :
>".rpc.nfsd Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send;
>errno = Network is unreachable unable to register (nfsd, 2, udp)."
>
>I realy don't know what is this means but i don't like it. On reboot
>i get after KILL another message: "INIT: error reading initrequest"
>about a minute. After this my computer reboots. All my attempts to work
>with netvork failed (on ftp to 127.0.0.1 i get the message
>"Network is unreachable").
>
>My system is Pentium 100, 32M, FX Triton, 2 IDE disks, PCI AHA-2940,
>SCSI disk, SCSI CD-ROM, Creative SB16, modem.
>
>I'm new in linux, please help me to understand what is my problem &
>how can i fix it. 10x.
>

Firstly, I am not sure what this request is doing in a Debian list,
but whatever....

The message "The network is unreachable"  says it all, I think.

If your ethernet card is not configured, then you will not
be able to get the networking stuff to work, period.  That is not
to say that you cannot set up PPP over a phone line, but your 
ethernet is not going to work.

Type ifconfig -a and see if your eth0 (not sure what it is called
in RedHat) is configured for whatever network address you gave it.

You did set up your networking, didn't you?

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Debian needs a new web server, or servers. If your site can run WWW
host aliases (we use www.debian.org), can serve about 300MB of stuff,
has a working mirror program, and doesn't mind the bandwidth, please
write to me. We maintain the master copy of our web site on our
internal system (master.debian.org) so that it is easy for us to access
without any need to log in on your system. All you have to do is mirror
that copy and serve it.

We are considering regional WWW servers, so if you want to serve for your
region only, please tell me that.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Debian needs a new web server, or servers. If your site can run WWW
host aliases (we use www.debian.org), can serve about 300MB of stuff,
has a working mirror program, and doesn't mind the bandwidth, please
write to me. We maintain the master copy of our web site on our
internal system (master.debian.org) so that it is easy for us to access
without any need to log in on your system. All you have to do is mirror
that copy and serve it.

We are considering regional WWW servers, so if you want to serve for your
region only, please tell me that.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Hi! I want to become one of the enlightened, and start using Linux. 
I've downloaded the Dedian Linux 1.1, and made my floppies with 
rawrite2. 

I have no special partitions now. Win95 is just installed on the 
whole 853M HD. The Dedian instructions indicate that setting up 
Linux and Linux Swap Partitions are part of their standard 
installation, but, alas, I did not get near that point before I had 
trouble.

After I hit <enter> at the boot: prompt, a bunch of stuff started 
scrolling by. Having been warned about this by the instructions, I 
paid little attention until it hung. There were two messages, that 
seemed like error messages to me, still on the screen. The last(and 
fatal?) one was, "Aiee, killing interrupt handler." The other was 
near the top of the screen, and said, "unable to handle kernel null 
pointer dereference at virtual address c00004d7."

My computer is a clone with an Intel 486DX2 at 66Mhz, Phoenix Bios 
4.04, 24MB of xms ram, and a 853MB WD (E)IDE HD. I am likely to be 
able to answer other specific questions on what I have or have done.

Any help you might give will be greatly appreciated.


TIA,

Matt



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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mike& Candy List wrote:

> can anyone advise a new debian user on a scenario in which a useable
> system can be installed on a 120 meg hard drive with a 20 meg swap

If this were my system, I would install linux, but not X.  You didn't
say, but I suspect that you are also low on memory and your swap drive
is fairly old.  If my assumptions are correct, and you installed X,
your system would swap to disk often and slowly.  Not fun.

I like emacs, but I would learn to like vi if I had your system.  If vi
is too unfriendly, try some of the other small editors available in
Debian.

Virtual consoles (cntrl-alt-F1, cntrl-alt-F2, ...) and job control
(cntrl-z, bg, fg, ...) can make a non-X system more fun.  If the
preceeding sentence is gibberish to you, send me private email and I
will explain in more detail.

Hope this helps
Mike





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In article <960829180529.29543A-100000@amsterdam.holding.pi.net> Niels <niels@holding.pi.net> writes:

> Some packages, among them workbone and symlinks, still provide an a.out
> binary in /usr/bin/, but no dependency on libc4 (workbone even depends on 
> libc5...).

I suggest to report this as bugs for the corresponding packages.
(Unless they already were reported ...)

	Sven
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Hello,

After installing Debian v. 1.1.5 it seems to work well enough, but since
the kernel that comes with it is not configured exactly as I would like,
I tried to configure my own kernel using the kernel-source kit (v. 2.0.6).

It compiled and booted fine, but when doing "volumious" disk accesses (ie.
deleting a large directory structure or something similar) the command
crashes with a EIP dump. By checking the EIP value against the System.map
file, the EIP dump seems to be caused by something in a "get_hash_table"
function.

I've also tried a vanilla 2.0.15 kernel, but the same thing also happend
there too (in the very same function)..

The machine is a Fujitsu/ICL ErgoLite Pentium laptop, with a PCI bus and a
1.2 Gb removable EIDE HD (Linux is on a 800 Mb partition).

(I'm also using the Slackware 3.0 distribution that is upgraded to the
2.0.12 version of the Linux kernel on a different disk, but there there are
no problems whatsoever.. This leads me to think that perhaps the EIP dump
described above is caused by something Debian spesific. Perhaps not
everything is upgraded as described in the "Changes" file that follows the
Linux kernel?)

Another small glitch occured during the "dselect" session during the
installation of Debian. The first time I selected all the development stuff
that would like to have installed, including gcc and libraries. In the
"Install" part of the "dselect" session it started by installing the gcc
package, but failed with a message about that gcc was dependant on the
binutils package and required that package to be installed before
attempting to install the gcc package. Now, I _had_ also selected the
binutils package for installation in the same session and halfway expected
that the package system (dpkg) to schedule the installation of the various
packages in the correct way.. (I solved the problem by installing the
packages in two session, saving gcc and friends to the last one.)

By the way, is there a pcmcia and a xemacs "deb" package somewhere?

kind regards,
kjell m.
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Steve Dunham <dunham@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu> writes:

> Or, if you prefer, you can use GNUS.  For me, procmail dumps
> debian-user into the file incoming/mail.lists.debian-user.spool, GNUS
> automatically adds those messages to a special mail folder,
> 'mail.lists.debian-user', which looks just like a newsgroup.  I sort
> about 10 mailing lists this way and read them just like newsgroups.
> Some have auto-expire set, others do not.

You can also do this directly from GNUS without procmail.  Something
like:

(setq 
 nnmail-split-methods 
 '(
   ("duplicates"  "^Gnus-Warning:")
   ("debian-devel" "^Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org")
   ("debian-user" "^Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org")
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works for me.  Gnus then just gets and splits the contents of
/var/spool/mail/whoever itself.

> This gives you scoring and threading for free.  Without this, I would
> not read mailling lists.

Sure does make it easier anyway.

--
Rob


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If one needs a server that is not included (or the version included is
inadequate) in the current non-Beta XFree86, you need only get the
_server_ (not the support files), unpack it into /usr/local, and
modify the first line in /etc/X11/Xserver to point to it.

X11 is a big package, and it seems a waste of time for the maintainer
to create packages for executables that are going to expire.  Better
to let him save his energy for the next release.

Mike.
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Shankar,

>
>-------------------------
>That's it; here the system hangs.

This looks like it might be the "auto-config" setting in the setserial
script.  There is a caution there about using it, but I've never had
any trouble with it myself.  However, I do edit the file and turn off
the "auto".  Uncomment the manual config lines for the appropriate ports
that you actually have in the machine, and try that.  I must tell you
though that with Debian I don't do this anymore because it works 
properly!  Other distributions fail in setting the proper IRQ for my
3rd serial port (cua2 set at irq 5).  The "auto" setting does work for
me on Debian, and properly sets even this port with no problem.  However
Redhat, versions 2.1 and the new 3.0.3 release, have never handled this
properly using the "auto" and must be set manually.  Try turning off the
auto and see what happens.

Paul


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On 26 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> In article <Pine.LNX.3.93.960825071446.6160B-100000@waterf.org>,
> Christoph Lameter  <clameter@fuller.edu> wrote:
> >?? Why double the work. This was an ad for the debianized version.
>
> Oh I am sorry. I misunderstood. I've been keeping a debianized version
> of squid since squid 1.0.3 at least, and I've been emailing with the
> original maintainer (Craig Sanders) about it. It has been my intent
> for quite some time to make the Interim release but I didn't hear
> anything anymore from Craig.


sorry, i'm a bit snowed under at work and am finding it difficult to keep
up with my mail.

when we last spoke on this subject you were going to release your interim
version of the squid package. 

In the meantime I've made a package for 1.0.9 but havent released it
because I can't seem to get dpkg to recognise that version 1.0.9 is newer
than 1.0beta16.  I have it working on one of my systems, but getting it
running was nowhere near as simple & straightforward as it should be.

setting the epoch ':1' in the debian.rules file didn't seem to help
- in fact, it made things worse. dselect is still not recognising
1.0.9 as being newer than 1.0beta16. dpkg seemed to get confused about
the version number and thought it was installing version 0.9 when i
installed it by hand.  

This did something weird to /var/lib/dpkg/status, which prevented
dselect from Updating available packages (bombed with a comment about
corrupted status file), which meant that dselect could not upgrade the
system either.  I had to vi the status file to fix it up.

**   NOTE TO IAN J: it looks like there should be some sanity checking
**   of version/epoch numbers, to prevent package maintainers from doing
**   stupid things which will corrupt the status file.

this is probably due to my misunderstanding of how to use epochs in
version numbers.

In debian.rules, I'm doing:

    package=squid
    version=1:1.0.9
    debian=1

this is obviously wrong.  i should re-read the documentation to find out
what i'm doing wrong.


one thing i'm sure of, though: in any future packages of mine which have
'beta' or similar string in the version number, I'm going to add extra
characters to force it to sort lower than any subsequent version. e.g.
instead of version "1.0beta16" i'll use something like "1.0..beta16"





If you want to take over maintaining the package for debian, you're quite
welcome. It seems obvious that I really don't have the time at the
moment to give the squid package the attention it deserves. It's an
important and useful package and my inability to keep it up to date
is causing the debian version to fall farther and farther behind the
upstream release.

I'll mail you what I have done so far (there's probably only one thing
that you might like to merge into your package...my postinst script now
checks if apache is installed, and then checks whether cachemgr.cgi is in
/var/web/cgi-bin.  if it isn't, it offers to make a sym link from
/usr/lib/squid/cachemgr.cgi). 



Craig


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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 ottmj@epix.net wrote:

> Hi! I want to become one of the enlightened, and start using Linux. 
> I've downloaded the Dedian Linux 1.1, and made my floppies with 
> rawrite2. 
>
> I have no special partitions now. Win95 is just installed on the 
> whole 853M HD. The Dedian instructions indicate that setting up 
> Linux and Linux Swap Partitions are part of their standard 
> installation, but, alas, I did not get near that point before I had 
> trouble.

Hold it here.  I can't address the trouble you had with the boot process.
I suggest you look at the document "Installing Debian 1.1 from Floppy
Disk" in the hardware sections to see if that helps.  However, before you
try to install Linux, you must have a free partition on one of your hard
drives.  This partition will be erased, and reformatted into two new
partitions.  If you have only one HD, you need to do this first:  The latest
version of FIPS (free repartitioning program) can non-destructively split
you Win '95 partition if you have enough available space.  But, you must
backup your data if it is critical because you may lose it all!  Let's
say you've got 853M with 400M of data.  You need to defrag your drive so
all the files will be in the first half.  Now, you can use FIPS to split
your drive into say, a 500M and 353M partition.  When you successfully
run the Linux installation program, it will allow you to erase the second
partition and create say, a 26M swap and a 330M linux partition for your
root filesystem.

Once you've got your system ready, you should be able to install from one
of the floppy disk sets.  Note that when the first disk says 'boot:', you
can press the function keys for some help on hardware specific parameters
for the boot prompt.

Good luck, and keep trying.  Also, backup your stuff or risk losing it.
I've taken that gamble half a dozen times :-),

Syrus.



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While it is considered a little crude, it is possible to convert tar
files into debian packages...  You should look at the debian packaging
instructions for how to do it right (which will fill in the gaps in
this explanation) but then you'll find that if you do:
	mkdir x
	cd x
	tar xzvf .../package.tar.gz  (assuming it unpacks from /)
	mkdir DEBIAN
	cat > DEBIAN/control
	# follow the packaging guildelines, or just crib the contents
of the control file from the "hello" package
	cd ..
	dpkg-deb --build x
	dpkg-name x
and if you've set up the control file right, you'll end up with a
package-version.deb that you can then install.

It would be nice, if you have the time and decide to rebuild from
sources anyway, to put together a "proper" package; it doesn't take
much work, and the hello package is a good example... but the above
tricks might be enough to get you "hooked" -- worked for me :-)


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In article <3225BADE.314208F8@plus.lfm.rwth-aachen.de>,
Dirk Luetjens  <dirk@plus.lfm.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have a small problem integrating a new debian system into an existing
>bad maintained network. 
>I installed the NIS package, everything so far is ok. ypbind connects to
>an NIS-Server, but to the wrong one. So I wanted to connect explicit to
>another with the option:
>>
>>ypbind -S lfm,fee
>>
>>Aug 29 17:41:00 plus ypbind[580]: Running in restricted mode -- request >to bind domain "lfm.rwth-aachen.de" rejected. 
>>

Try

ypbind -S lfm.rwth-aachen.de,feerwth-aachen.de

I don't know if that actually *works*, just a suggestion.

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In article <502r6l$i9l@miriam.fuller.edu>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@miriam.fuller.edu> wrote:
>I think we should do the following.
>
>1. Map all high traffic groups / mailing lists linux.xxx to
>   comp.os.linux.*

No, *please* don't do this with, for example, linux.dev.kernel. It has
enough junk in it as it is; spreading this through all of usenet will make
the group useless. The real kernel hackers will find a new mailinglist
and use that instead (in fact that's already happening at the moment,
as I understand) and it will leave you with another group with lots of
traffic and no actual content.

>2. reorganize the linux.* groups to throw obsolete things out.

Some FAQ or document that says which groups exist and which are obsolete
would help; I would like to remove disfunctional groups on our newsserver
ASAP.

>3. Make all groups non-moderated. The current setup is a major
>   speed problem.

Remember linux.* is really a gateway to a mailing list. BTW, do you
have your moderators file set up right? When I post something in linux.*,
it shows up on our news server within a matter of _minutes_. You do have
"linux.*:submit-%s@ratatosk.yggdrasil.com" in your moderators file, right?

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Niels writes:
> Some packages, among them workbone and symlinks, still provide an a.out
> binary in /usr/bin/, but no dependency on libc4 (workbone even depends on 
> libc5...).

symlinks is ELF for some time now. Just look for version 1.0-3.

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I sure hope this is not a FAQ...

How is it possible to use the ftp access from within dselect to reach
through a fire-wall system? Alternatives?

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Last time I ran into it, it turned out that for *legitimate* salts,
the linux crypt() was compatible, but for out-of-range ones, there
were differing results.   An easy way to test is to use perl. For
example:

solaris2.4+% perl -e 'print crypt("pass", "ab")."\n"'
abccBcrPOxnLU
solaris2.4+% perl -e 'print crypt("pass", "++")."\n"'
++kT1mYjlikoI
debian1.1+% perl -e 'print crypt("pass", "ab")."\n"'
abccBcrPOxnLU
debian1.1+% perl -e 'print crypt("pass", "++")."\n"'
++1clPVO6npvw

Note that with a salt of "ab" they match, but with a salt of "++" they
don't.  Classic crypt() used 4096 legal salts (":" was obviously out, I
don't recall exactly what range was used.)

If anything, the bug is that the solaris system is generating "out of
range" salt values...


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Linux novice question:

The "chat" program cannot find my modem, and as far as I can tell, there
are no command line switches to force it to use /dev/modem or /dev/cua1. 

Since I'm using minicom to write this post, I'm quite sure my modem
works just fine. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

John Ross
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hi!

I have a problem with perl and perl/tk:

==============================================================
bash$ cat tktest.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use diagnostics;
use strict;
use Tk; 

my $main = new MainWindow;
$main->Label(-text => 'Hello, world!')->pack;
$main->Button(-text => 'Quit',
   -command => sub{exit}
   )->pack;
MainLoop;

bash$ ./tktest.pl
Uncaught exception from user code:
	Can't find loadable object for module Tk in @INC (/usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux/5.003 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/local/lib/site_perl/i486-linux /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/Tk.pm line 35
	Carp::croak called at /usr/lib/perl5/DynaLoader.pm line 115
	DynaLoader::bootstrap called at /usr/lib/perl5/Tk.pm line 35
	require Tk.pm called at ./tktest.pl line 5
	main::BEGIN called at /usr/lib/perl5/DynaLoader.pm line 0
	eval {...} called at /usr/lib/perl5/DynaLoader.pm line 0
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./tktest.pl line 5.
bash$ 
==============================================================

That's right, since I have the TK subdirectory in

==============================================================
bash$ ls /usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux/5.002/Tk/
Config.pm    pTk	  tkGlue.def   tkGlue.m	    tkGlue_f.h
leak_util.h  reghack.h	  tkGlue.h     tkGlue.t
bash$ 
==============================================================

I've installed both from Debian 1.1.5:

==============================================================
bash$ dpkg -l | grep perl
ii  perl            5.003-2        Larry Wall's Practical Extracting and Report
ii  perl-tk         b11.02-2       This is a perl module providing support for 
bash$ 
==============================================================

What can I do?

Ciao,
        - Krid -

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960830112637.9102F-100000@siva.taz.net.au>,
Craig Sanders  <cas@taz.net.au> wrote:
>sorry, i'm a bit snowed under at work and am finding it difficult to keep
>up with my mail.
>
>when we last spoke on this subject you were going to release your interim
>version of the squid package. 

Yeah, though I waited for an OK from you (I thought you wanted to have
a look at it first). Anyway I've uploaded 1.0.9 to master

>In the meantime I've made a package for 1.0.9 but havent released it
>because I can't seem to get dpkg to recognise that version 1.0.9 is newer
>than 1.0beta16.  I have it working on one of my systems, but getting it
>running was nowhere near as simple & straightforward as it should be.

That's one of the problems I have too; dselect with distribution
pointed to "stable" downgrades squid-1.0.9 to squid-1.0beta16, alas...
I don't quite understand the epoch stuff either.

>If you want to take over maintaining the package for debian, you're quite
>welcome. It seems obvious that I really don't have the time at the
>moment to give the squid package the attention it deserves. It's an

I don't really have the time either, but I think I can take it as we
use it on our site ourself and it is important for us to have the latest
(well most stable actually) squid running

>I'll mail you what I have done so far (there's probably only one thing
>that you might like to merge into your package...my postinst script now
>checks if apache is installed, and then checks whether cachemgr.cgi is in
>/var/web/cgi-bin.  if it isn't, it offers to make a sym link from
>/usr/lib/squid/cachemgr.cgi). 

OK.

Mike.
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On Aug 29,  8:15pm, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
> Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F plans?
> If one needs a server that is not included (or the version included is
> inadequate) in the current non-Beta XFree86, you need only get the
> _server_ (not the support files), unpack it into /usr/local, and
> modify the first line in /etc/X11/Xserver to point to it.

     Well, what of those that want to try the whole beta?  Its so radically
different, everything that I had in /etc/X11 got stomped on
my /etc/X11 is no more.  Alot of config stuff is different.  So what Im asking
is, how best could I have done this as to not completely fuck up the debian
package database (I was unable to dpkg -r alot of stuff due to fear of also
removing subsidiary packages that depended on X11).  So, now my main question
is, when they DO come out with a .deb or a .tar.gz with debian rules, how will
I best go about not totally stomping all over everything again, and also not
having unaccounted for files?  Thanks

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It really depends on what firewall you are using.  Where I am we are 
using TIS's (the maker's of the Firewall Toolkit) Gauntlet firewall, it 
allows for transparent access if you make the firewall the default 
gateway of your computer.

However, if your firewall doesn't allow transparent access, then you need 
to do a little experiment.  When we ran the Firewall Toolkit, it required 
you to do a three step process.  
	1.  Ftp to the firewall
	2.  connect to ftp sight by typing username@what.sight.you.want
	3.  type in the needed password.

This matches up well with the normal ftp method.
	1.  Ftp to what.sight.you.want
	2.  type in username
	3.  type in password

So what might work for you is to set the ftp sight to your firewall, set 
the username to "anonymous@ftp.debian.org" (or whatever ftp sight you use) 
and set your password as your "username@your.sight".  
It might be a little different for your firewall, but if it would take 
you manually three steps to get out, you should be able to automate for 
dselect.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Martin Fehlhaber wrote:

> I sure hope this is not a FAQ...
> 
> How is it possible to use the ftp access from within dselect to reach
> through a fire-wall system? Alternatives?
> 
> Thanx,
> -- 
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> 
> 


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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Martin Fehlhaber wrote:

> I sure hope this is not a FAQ...
> 
> How is it possible to use the ftp access from within dselect to reach
> through a fire-wall system? Alternatives?

Some firewalls allow you to log in with a coded login/passwd
pair so it can make the proxified connection for you
transparently.  Check with your firewall administrator to
see if yours supports this.  If so, just enter the proper
information when dselect asks you for your login and passwd,
and then tell it the firewall system name as the ftp server.
That should do it.  We don't support that functionality
here, so I can't test it, but let us know if it does work.

> 
> Thanx,
> -- 
> Martin Fehlhaber
> lo1be.mfehlh01@eds.com
> 

Good luck!

Richard G. Roberto
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Dale,

> What I was looking for was more like what Gerry suggested.
> I also tried your suggestion on the LINES environment variable with little
> success.
> This is a REALLY DUMB terminal.

Have you tried stty rows 24?

> Is the syntax for this structure documented in the bash manual page? Can I
> put more than one command in the case block?

Why don't you take a look?

TTFN,
Casper.


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Syrus,

>On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 ottmj@epix.net wrote:
>
>> Hi! I want to become one of the enlightened, and start using Linux. 
>> I've downloaded the Dedian Linux 1.1, and made my floppies with 
>> rawrite2. 
>>
>> I have no special partitions now. Win95 is just installed on the 
>> whole 853M HD. The Dedian instructions indicate that setting up 
>> Linux and Linux Swap Partitions are part of their standard 
>> installation, but, alas, I did not get near that point before I had 
>> trouble.
>
>Hold it here.  I can't address the trouble you had with the boot process.
>I suggest you look at the document "Installing Debian 1.1 from Floppy
>Disk" in the hardware sections to see if that helps. 

I have read, printed, and re-read this. It is what got me as far as I am.
I went through the F1..F10 keys too.


> However, before you
>try to install Linux, you must have a free partition on one of your hard
>drives.  This partition will be erased, and reformatted into two new
>partitions.  If you have only one HD, you need to do this first:  The 
latest
>version of FIPS (free repartitioning program) can non-destructively split
>you Win '95 partition if you have enough available space.  But, you must
>backup your data if it is critical because you may lose it all!  Let's
>say you've got 853M with 400M of data.  You need to defrag your drive so
>all the files will be in the first half.  Now, you can use FIPS to split
>your drive into say, a 500M and 353M partition.  When you successfully
>run the Linux installation program, it will allow you to erase the second
>partition and create say, a 26M swap and a 330M linux partition for your
>root filesystem.
>
>Once you've got your system ready, you should be able to install from one
>of the floppy disk sets.  Note that when the first disk says 'boot:', you
>can press the function keys for some help on hardware specific parameters
>for the boot prompt.
>
>Good luck, and keep trying.  Also, backup your stuff or risk losing it.
>I've taken that gamble half a dozen times :-),

I'll look for FIPS, and try to use it, but I would truly love to know what 
went wrong with my installation. I've tried newsgroups, this group, and 
friends. So far no one even has a clue. My system seems pretty generic to 
me, and my approach is very direct(even if not ideal).


Matt


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Miquel van Smoorenburg (miquels@drinkel.cistron.nl) wrote:
: In article <502r6l$i9l@miriam.fuller.edu>,
: Christoph Lameter <clameter@miriam.fuller.edu> wrote:
: >I think we should do the following.
: >
: >1. Map all high traffic groups / mailing lists linux.xxx to
: >   comp.os.linux.*
: 
: No, *please* don't do this with, for example, linux.dev.kernel. It has
: enough junk in it as it is; spreading this through all of usenet will make
: the group useless. The real kernel hackers will find a new mailinglist
: and use that instead (in fact that's already happening at the moment,
: as I understand) and it will leave you with another group with lots of
: traffic and no actual content.
It has content even if the "real kernel hackers" find other ways of discussing
the issues. The group is appearently needed otherwise it would not have that
high a volume. You cannot avoid junk.
: 
: >2. reorganize the linux.* groups to throw obsolete things out.
: 
: Some FAQ or document that says which groups exist and which are obsolete
: would help; I would like to remove disfunctional groups on our newsserver
: ASAP.
That would be nice.
: 
: >3. Make all groups non-moderated. The current setup is a major
: >   speed problem.
: 
: Remember linux.* is really a gateway to a mailing list. BTW, do you
: have your moderators file set up right? When I post something in linux.*,
: it shows up on our news server within a matter of _minutes_. You do have
: "linux.*:submit-%s@ratatosk.yggdrasil.com" in your moderators file, right?
Exactly. And I have had repeatedly problems with that host rejecting e-mail and
delaying delivery for hours. I have never had a message show up within
minutes. 
The reason for the delays might also be my NNTP access.
Is there any location I can draw a faster NNTP feed for linux.* from?
I currently get linux.* via PSI.


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hello,

i am trying to print to /dev/stderr from within gawk 
(print $0 > "/dev/stderr") but i get the following error:

gawk: cmd. line:30: (FILENAME=- FNR=1) fatal: can't redirect to
`/dev/stderr' (Permission denied)

i know there is something wrong with the permission, i can redirect if
i do it as root, but i don't know too much about /proc to even
understand where the problem begins. this used to work fine before
some upgrade (from unstable) but unfortunately i don't know which
package did it. if anybody has any ideas, i am willing to experiment,
maybe there is a bug in some package somewhere. thanks.

--alex--

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>Here's what I have in /ect/profile to do what I think you want;
>--------------------------cut---------------------------------
>TTYTYPE=`tty|cut -f 3 -d /|grep -f - /etc/ttytype|cut -f 1 -d " "`
>  if [ "$TTYTYPE" = "" ]; then
>   :
>  else
>   TERM=$TTYTYPE
>  fi
>
>unset TTYTYPE
>-------------------------cut----------------------------------
>
>/etc/ttytype looks like this;
>-------------------------cut----------------------------------
>vt100 ttyS0
>vt100 ttyS1
>vt100 ttyS2
>vt100 ttyS3
>-------------------------cut----------------------------------
>
>In this case I set all the serial ports to vt100 and leaving
>everything else alone. I forget where the ttytype idea came from but I
>ripped it off from somewhere.

Well, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix and (waaay back when...) Tandy Xenix all do it
that way, except for the device coming first, and the term type second, on
the line...


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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

> Have you tried stty rows 24?

Wow! That actually fixes lynx! It even took care of the pre and post line
trash that was being left behind before.
Joe, however is still exhibiting some very strange behavior. First, if I
try to scroll across a line with the arrow keys, at about character 6 the
cursor skipps back to the beginning of the line. When typing a line this
same skipping back and forth happens at about character 65, but when the
smoke clears the line looks ok. I suspect that this has something to do
with the collumns value and will play with that value and see what
happens.

> 
> > Is the syntax for this structure documented in the bash manual page? Can I
> > put more than one command in the case block?
> 
> Why don't you take a look?
> 
Because I'm lazy? Actually I have very bad karma when it comes to key word
searches. I knew the bash manual was very large (from previous sessions)
and feared the worst. In this case it did not apply (both case and list as
search words gave me all the info)

Thanks for keeping me honest ;-)

Dwarf

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i get an error when I try to compile a simple hello world C program.

It says that it can't find a crt0.o file. i think i need to link some lib 
to something else but I could not find any documents showing all the 
things that should be linked. Can anyone help.


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Dirk Bernhardt <krid@umrk.tng.oche.de> writes:

> ii  perl            5.003-2
> ii  perl-tk         b11.02-2

> What can I do?

I'm pretty sure you have incompatible versions of perl and perl-tk.  I
believe that perl-tk b11.02-3 is the first version compatible with
perl 5.003.

You can get this version from

ftp.debian.org:/debian/unstable/binary-i386/devel/perl-tk_b11.02-3.deb

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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Alex Romosan wrote:

> i am trying to print to /dev/stderr from within gawk 
> (print $0 > "/dev/stderr") but i get the following error:
> 
> gawk: cmd. line:30: (FILENAME=- FNR=1) fatal: can't redirect to
> `/dev/stderr' (Permission denied)

That should work, for example
	gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/stderr";}'
copies its input to stderr.

It's not a permissions problem; /dev/std{in,out,err} and /dev/fd/n are
implemented internally by gawk.  They're not really files on the
system.  Well, actually /dev/fd/n really is a symlink into the /proc
filesystem, but gawk isn't using it.

Is your gawk really gawk, not an alias for nawk or something?  I'm not
sure if those files are supported by nawk.

You could also use /dev/fd/2 which will use the /proc system.


Guy


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Jross1@cris.com (John Ross) writes:

> The "chat" program cannot find my modem, and as far as I can tell, there
> are no command line switches to force it to use /dev/modem or /dev/cua1. 

Chat only reads from standard input and writes to standard output.
pppd just launches it with it's standard input and output connected to
the serial port.

You can do something somewhat similar with 

chat <> /dev/ttyS0

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Rob


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Hi,
how does the source packages work? If I understand everyting right I am 
supposed to unpack them with dpkg-source -x <file>.dsc. But then I need the
<file>.dsc file, which not seems to be included in any of the availble
source packages. Where can I find or generate them?


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Just wondering, are you compiling it as an aout program, when I did dpgk 
-S on the filename, the only place I saw it was in libc4-dev.  Try 
installing that, it may solve your problem.  Don't know why you are 
compiling it as aout though, compile it as ELF.

Shaya
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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, marcus hightower wrote:

> i get an error when I try to compile a simple hello world C program.
> 
> It says that it can't find a crt0.o file. i think i need to link some lib 
> to something else but I could not find any documents showing all the 
> things that should be linked. Can anyone help.
> 
> 


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>
>That should work, for example
>	gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/stderr";}'
>copies its input to stderr.
>
>It's not a permissions problem; /dev/std{in,out,err} and /dev/fd/n are
>implemented internally by gawk.  They're not really files on the
>system.  Well, actually /dev/fd/n really is a symlink into the /proc
>filesystem, but gawk isn't using it.
>
>Is your gawk really gawk, not an alias for nawk or something?  I'm not
>sure if those files are supported by nawk.
>
>You could also use /dev/fd/2 which will use the /proc system.
>
>
>Guy
>
i've tried:

echo test | gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/stderr";}'

and

echo test | gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/fd/2";}'

and both give me the same error:

gawk: cmd. line:1: (FILENAME=- FNR=1) fatal: can't redirect to
`/dev/fd/2' (Permission denied)

it works fine if i do it as root. for all it's worth i think i am
using gawk, this is the output from dpkg -i:

ii  gawk            3.0.0-2        GNU awk, a pattern scanning and processing l

maybe i should try using a different version of gawk.

--alex--

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|  automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion  |
|  and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. |


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This may be one for the Debian FAQ--apologies in advance if you've been
there before--but I haven't seen an answer to it yet.

I switched from Slackware (2.3) to Debian just a couple of days ago, and
can't seem to get color (that's *colour* here in the UK) listings by
default. Simply typing "ls" gives me the standard white on black, but I'd
really like to be able to distinguish at a glance between files and
directories etc. Using the "color-ls -o" command is the only way I can
achieve this, and even then the colors are ugly defaults, ignoring the
settings in /etc/DIR_COLORS. (These dircolors settings are displayed
verbosely on log in, by the way.)

So far I've installed the base package, basic TCP/networking, GCC and so
on, ane everything's gone without a hitch. Checking the package details in
Dselect, it doesn't seem that color-ls is dependent on anything I haven't
already installed.

I may be overlooking something obvious, but are there any settings/files I
need to edit to get what I want? Color's the only thing I'm missing since
switching from Slackware. In everything else, I'm delighted.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Cheers,

Chris





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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Alex Romosan wrote:

> i've tried:
> 
> echo test | gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/stderr";}'
> 
> and
> 
> echo test | gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/fd/2";}'
> 
> and both give me the same error:
> 
> gawk: cmd. line:1: (FILENAME=- FNR=1) fatal: can't redirect to
> `/dev/fd/2' (Permission denied)

Check that /dev/fd is a symbolic link to /proc/self/fd.  Check that
/proc is mounted.

The permissions to /proc are determined by the kernel, so there's
really no way that they could be wrong.


Guy


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>
>Check that /dev/fd is a symbolic link to /proc/self/fd.  Check that
>/proc is mounted.
>
>The permissions to /proc are determined by the kernel, so there's
>really no way that they could be wrong.
>
>
>
>Guy
>
the links were okay, the problem is elsewhere. if i telnet into the
machine and log in as alex gawk works fine. what i usually do is to
rlogin from an sgi to a different account and then su to alex. under
these circumstances gawk fails with permission denied. i have no idea
if this is a bug or not.

--alex--

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|  automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion  |
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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Chris Westwood wrote:

> This may be one for the Debian FAQ--apologies in advance if you've been
> there before--but I haven't seen an answer to it yet.
> 
> I switched from Slackware (2.3) to Debian just a couple of days ago, and
> can't seem to get color (that's *colour* here in the UK) listings by
> default. Simply typing "ls" gives me the standard white on black, but I'd
> really like to be able to distinguish at a glance between files and
> directories etc. Using the "color-ls -o" command is the only way I can
> achieve this, and even then the colors are ugly defaults, ignoring the
> settings in /etc/DIR_COLORS. (These dircolors settings are displayed
> verbosely on log in, by the way.)
[SNIP] 
> I may be overlooking something obvious, but are there any settings/files I
> need to edit to get what I want? Color's the only thing I'm missing since
> switching from Slackware. In everything else, I'm delighted.

This is a now a FAQ because of a recent change:

With the integration of color-ls directly into the fileutils
package, a few things have changed.  dircolors no longer sets
up aliases or shell scripts to colorize ls, dir, and vdir.

Here is an excerpt from a .bashrc which sets up aliases after
running dircolors:

	# set up color-ls
	eval `dircolors /home/syrus/.dir_colors`
	alias d='ls -F --color=auto'
	alias v='ls -l --color=auto'
	alias vdir='ls -l --color=auto'
	alias dir='ls -F --color=auto'                                                 

Note that color=tty has been changed to color=auto.  See the
documentation for other change information.


Cheers.  Syrus.


----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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>> w3 can be found via anonymous ftp to ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/elisp/w3.

More usefully, w3 can be found in the binary-i386/net/w3-el_2.2.25-4.deb
on any debian mirror...


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> limit on 8086, 8088, and 80186-based systems. (yes, there _was_ an
> 80186 chip; it just wasn't widely used in the same way that the 8088,
> 80286, 80386, and 80486 were.) ...

Actually, the 186 is probably *more* used than the others, just not
in home-user pc's:
	* many X terminals used the 80186 as network/keyboard controller
	* the HP95/100/200 LX handhelds use a cmos 80186
	* the AT&T ISDN phones have an 80186 in them

Needless to say, linux doesn't run in any of these environments
(though I suppose ELKS would, I don't know how far along that is...)


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>This may be one for the Debian FAQ--apologies in advance if you've been
>there before--but I haven't seen an answer to it yet.
>
>I switched from Slackware (2.3) to Debian just a couple of days ago, and
>can't seem to get color (that's *colour* here in the UK) listings by
>default. Simply typing "ls" gives me the standard white on black, but I'd
>really like to be able to distinguish at a glance between files and
>directories etc. Using the "color-ls -o" command is the only way I can
>achieve this, and even then the colors are ugly defaults, ignoring the
>settings in /etc/DIR_COLORS. (These dircolors settings are displayed
>verbosely on log in, by the way.)
>
>So far I've installed the base package, basic TCP/networking, GCC and so
>on, ane everything's gone without a hitch. Checking the package details in
>Dselect, it doesn't seem that color-ls is dependent on anything I haven't
>already installed.
>
>I may be overlooking something obvious, but are there any settings/files I
>need to edit to get what I want? Color's the only thing I'm missing since
>switching from Slackware. In everything else, I'm delighted.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>
>
There is an xterm_color available, but that doesn't seem to give
colors, either...
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> I sure hope this is not a FAQ...
> 
> How is it possible to use the ftp access from within dselect to reach
> through a fire-wall system? Alternatives?

I don't know about dpkg-ftp, but 'dftp' can run through a firewall.  The
only firewall I ever tested it with was the "Eagle Secure Gateway", but
I suspect most function similarly.  Note, however, that I haven't run
than piece of the code for many months and may not be as stable as the
rest of 'dftp'.
                                             
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> echo test | gawk '{print $0 > "/dev/fd/2";}'
>
> gawk: cmd. line:1: (FILENAME=- FNR=1) fatal: can't redirect to
> `/dev/fd/2' (Permission denied)

There's a kernel bug operating here, I think. If you chmod 666 /dev/fd/2
(from the same console, of course) it shows no change in its mode using
"ls", but you will probably be able to write it. I was able to verify
that I could chmod it to 000 and would get the same no-permission message,
but the mode did not appear to be 000 using "ls".

	Bruce


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I looked at this a little more. It seems that the object on the other
side of /dev/fd/X isn't always one that you have permissions on _after_
it's been opened.

> ls -l /dev/fd/2
lrwx------   1 bruce    bruce 64 Aug 30 16:16 /dev/fd/2 -> [0301]:7060

This means "device 3, 1, inode 7060".

> ls -li `tty`
   7060 crw-rw-rw-   1 root     tty        4, 193 Aug 30 16:16 /dev/ttyp1

Note the "7060".

> ls -li /dev/hda1
   6237 brw-rw----   1 root     disk       3,   1 Dec 31  1969 /dev/hda1

That's the root partition. Note the "3, 1"

It's the permissions of /dev/ttyp1 that apply here, not those of /dev/fd/2 .

        Bruce


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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Alex Romosan wrote:

> the links were okay, the problem is elsewhere. if i telnet into the
> machine and log in as alex gawk works fine. what i usually do is to
> rlogin from an sgi to a different account and then su to alex. under
> these circumstances gawk fails with permission denied. i have no idea
> if this is a bug or not.

Ok, now it's clear.  The difference between those two methods is who
owns the controlling terminal.  When you su, the old user still owns
it, so the new one can't write directly to the tty.  And /dev/fd/2 is
implemented as a link to the tty:

lrwx------   1 gmaor    gmaor          64 Aug 30 19:38 /dev/fd/2 -> [0802]:556

That means device 8,2 inode 556.  8,2 is my root partition, and 556 is
ttyp4.

556 crw--w----   1 gmaor    tty        4, 196 Aug 30 19:39 ttyp4

So if I su to someone else, I still own ttyp4 and the new user can't
write to ttyp4.

As is apparent, I was wrong about /dev/stderr being implemented
internally by gawk, at least under linux.  Using strace and from the
above, it's pretty obvious that gawk really is opening /dev/stderr,  If
it were just writing to fd 2, it would work.

This is one case where using fd 2 is not the same as writing to
/dev/stderr.

The solution is to switch user id's by doing 'exec login'.  You'll
transfer the controlling terminal also then.


Guy


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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> It's the permissions of /dev/ttyp1 that apply here, not those of /dev/fd/2 .

Just like in a symbolic link.


Guy


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The only thing you have to do is to customize the
/etc/dhcpd.conf file a bit to get it going on your machine. (That is if it
works for you....)

Available at
ftp://ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian/dhcpd*

Please report back to me your experiences. If some people run it
successfully then I will submit it to be included in the Debian
distribution.

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I agree. I would very much like to be running the F beta in its entirety,
and with Debian I do not know how to go about doing that and being
positive I am not breaking anything in the process. I realize that the
owner of this package does not plan to release any of the beta versions as
a Debian package while there is no source code, but I for one would VERY
much appreciate some sort of instruction on what all is neccessary in
order to take out the stock Debian XFree and replace it with one of the
beta versions without breaking anything in the process. I don't care if
the process is manual or automatic, I just want to be able to do it. Under
Slackware you just had to rip out the old and put in the new, and that was
basically it, but under Debian, with the Debianized XFree86, not even
knowing the extent really of how it differs from the standard XFree86, I
don't want to experiment with it. Perhaps just using dpkg to remove
XFree86 without removing any of the packages depend on it, and then
installing the beta version the normal way by just untarring it? That will
mean that the conf files and stuff will be in the non-debianized locations
and all, but what I don't know is whether or not this would break anything
else. Insight on this matter would be very much appreciated. Every time
I've brought this up in the past everybody just says to use the server
from the beta package, which I already am, but I would like to go beyond
that, and run the whole beta package. It seems like in this respect,
Debian is limiting my possibilities instead of making it easier to do what
I want with my system.

							Shawn Asmussen

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Randall Shutt wrote:

> On Aug 29,  8:15pm, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
> > Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F plans?
> > If one needs a server that is not included (or the version included is
> > inadequate) in the current non-Beta XFree86, you need only get the
> > _server_ (not the support files), unpack it into /usr/local, and
> > modify the first line in /etc/X11/Xserver to point to it.
> 
>      Well, what of those that want to try the whole beta?  Its so radically
> different, everything that I had in /etc/X11 got stomped on
> my /etc/X11 is no more.  Alot of config stuff is different.  So what Im asking
> is, how best could I have done this as to not completely fuck up the debian
> package database (I was unable to dpkg -r alot of stuff due to fear of also
> removing subsidiary packages that depended on X11).  So, now my main question
> is, when they DO come out with a .deb or a .tar.gz with debian rules, how will
> I best go about not totally stomping all over everything again, and also not
> having unaccounted for files?  Thanks
> 
> -- 
>                                             =======================
>                                             Randall Shutt              
>                                             RaveNet Systems, Inc.
>                                             ======================= 
> 


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Hi there.  I have a couple of questions, the first of which is: is it 
possible to install *components* of Debian without having to totally 
blast away all of the Slackware garbage I have now?  The version I have 
is old enough that it's due upgrading anyway, and I'd like to switch to 
Debian piecemeal 'cause of the package stuff being so much easier.  But I 
don't want to overwrite everything, because I don't want to break the 
stuff I have right now and because I don't want to spend thirty hours on 
the net downloading everything. :)

I assumed that the logical approach would be to download the source to 
dpkg and dpkg-ftp, install them, and then install some of the more 
critical pacakges via ftp.  After *finally* locating dpkg-ftp, I 
recompiled everything on my Slackware machine.  (This might be stupid, I 
don't know.  Does the Debian elf format differ from the Slackware elf 
format?  i.e., did I *have* to recompile, or can I just grab the 
binary-i386 stuff?)  configure ran fine except for one error: it was 
unable to determine my architecture.  Now, this is kind of strange.  When 
I accidentally tried to run it on a sun4c, it claimed an error with dpkg 
on line one of configure (?), looked like a shell error, but on my Linux 
machine it just gave me something about CC not being found.

Anyway, I tried make anyway, which of course didn't work.  But I edited 
config.h and manually set ARCHITECTURE to "i586".  (Should this be 
i386?)  After that, compile worked fine for everything except dselect, 
which died on a bunch of ncurses include files.  After doing some 
symlinking and changing some strange functions to ncurses ones, it 
compiled but wouldn't run.  (It'd run, but nothing happened.  Looks like 
I broke ncurses in the process of getting dselect working.)  Anyway, dpkg 
seems to work mostly fine once I made a /usr/doc/copyrights directory for 
the FSF GPL.

Soo... I tried running dpkg -i on dpkg-ftp_whatever-version-it-is.deb, 
and it gave me the following error:

dpkg: failed to open package into file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for 
reading: No such file or directory

I'm pretty much a Debian newbie, so I really don't know what I should 
do.  Hell, I don't even know if dpkg -i installs stuff (although the fact 
that it's the same as dpkg --install would seem to imply that), not for 
sure.  I'm running it as root.  Doing a dpkg --update-avail Packages 
works fine (once I figured out that you're supposed to gunzip it... drr) 
and gives me a dselect-like output.

I've been over the FAQ, both the old and the new, at least thirteen times 
and saw nothing of relevance.  Do I need to do a 'touch 
/var/lib/dpkg/status' or something?  What's the file *for*?

Thanks, and I'm sorry this got so long.  I know I'm asking for it by not 
just backing up all the stuff on my hard drive, but downloading 60 
megabytes of software really just isn't an option, and neither is 
spending the money to get Debian on CD-ROM.  (I'm broke.)

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Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:

> >> w3 can be found via anonymous ftp to ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/elisp/w3.
> 
> More usefully, w3 can be found in the binary-i386/net/w3-el_2.2.25-4.deb
> on any debian mirror...

Yeah, but those 2.2.x w3's are waaaaaaaaay slower than the 2.3 & now 3.0
betas, which are very usable.  There's a new html parser.  It's a
dramatic difference, & I really recommend it, well worth what betaness
there is.  In the 'betas' subdirectory of the above path; there may be a
symlink to newest version in the above directory also, don't recall.

-- 

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Ed Donovan <edonovan@world.std.com> (me) writes:

>>Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:
>
>> More usefully, w3 can be found in the binary-i386/net/w3-el_2.2.25-4.deb
>> on any debian mirror...

> Yeah, but those 2.2.x w3's are waaaaaaaaay slower than the 2.3 & now 3.0
> betas, which are very usable.  There's a new html parser.  It's a
> dramatic difference, & I really recommend it, well worth what betaness
> there is.  In the 'betas' subdirectory of the above path; there may be a
> symlink to newest version in the above directory also, don't recall.

Well, wait, I didn't add: there is also a 2.2.26 release version, which
I'm pretty_ includes the fast new parser, though not this and that
spiffiness, blah, blah...

Raul, if you want to, great...if you don't have the time, maybe I'll
give it a shot.  Thanks,

-- 

Ed Donovan			edonovan@world.std.com


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From: Barid Bel Medar <icarus@berkshire.net>
> Is it possible to install *components* of Debian without having to totally 
> blast away all of the Slackware garbage I have now?  The version I have 
> is old enough that it's due upgrading anyway, and I'd like to switch to 
> Debian piecemeal 'cause of the package stuff being so much easier.  But I 
> don't want to overwrite everything, because I don't want to break the 
> stuff I have right now and because I don't want to spend thirty hours on 
> the net downloading everything. :)

It is much more trouble than it is worth to install the system piecemal
over Slackware. We _can't_ ever support that, even if we wanted to. Sorry.

More stuff will go wrong than would if you did a "cold" install, and you
will end up spending much more time on the project.
If you can add disk or have an extra partition available, we suggest you
install Debian on one partition and have Slackware on another so that you
can copy things from your old partition.

If 30 hours on the net isn't do-able, you might patronize one of the
CD vendors and spend $30 instead. See our web page www.debian.org for
a few vendors.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Hi Barid --

> I assumed that the logical approach would be to download the source to 
> dpkg and dpkg-ftp, install them, and then install some of the more 
> critical pacakges via ftp.  
Well, the better thing to do is to 
-- download boot1440.bin, root.bin, 
base14-1.bin, base14-2.bin, and base14-3.bin (or the 1220 equivalents
if you use a 5.25" floppy) from the buzz-fixed/disks-i386/current/ 
directory, then 
-- copy those files to floppies using rawrite (or dd since
you already have Slackware going), then 
-- boot with the boot floppy, follow directions in the menu
interface to set up a new partition, and it will install a Debian system 
(including dpkg and dpkg-ftp), etc. for you.

> I've been over the FAQ, both the old and the new, at least thirteen times 
> and saw nothing of relevance.  Do I need to do a 'touch 
> /var/lib/dpkg/status' or something?  What's the file *for*?
(That means we need to fix the FAQ somehow.)
The file /var/lib/dpkg/status keeps track of what you've got on your system.
It has entries like this:
Package: vim
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: editors
Maintainer: D.J. Gregor <dgregor@gregor.com>
Version: 3.0-5
Description: VI iMproved - enhanced vi editor
 Vim is an almost compatible version of the UNIX editor vi. Only the 'Q'
 command is missing (you don't need it). Many new features have been added:
 multi level undo, command line history, filename completion, block operations,
 etc. See /usr/doc/vim/difference.doc for more information.

The critical line is the "Status" line.  If you were to execute the
command
    dpkg --status vim
you'd see that stanza printed out on your screen.


Hope that's some help.
Susan Kleinmann


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Bill Wohler writes ("Making filesystems at installation time"):
...
>   The idea with all this installation stuff is to avoid having user
>   actions interspersed with automatic actions that take a while.  This
>   also goes for dpkg -GROEB --configure--all the packages that require
>   user intervention for setup should be postponed until last.

That can't be done, because (a) dpkg doesn't know and (b) the
configure order is largely determined by the dependencies.

dpkg already unpacks packages first and then configures them all
later, and the unpack is (almost) entirely noninteractive.

Ian.


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>With the integration of color-ls directly into the fileutils
>package, a few things have changed.  dircolors no longer sets
>up aliases or shell scripts to colorize ls, dir, and vdir.
>
>Here is an excerpt from a .bashrc which sets up aliases after
>running dircolors:
>
>	# set up color-ls
>	eval `dircolors /home/syrus/.dir_colors`
>	alias d='ls -F --color=auto'
>	alias v='ls -l --color=auto'
>	alias vdir='ls -l --color=auto'
>	alias dir='ls -F --color=auto'                                                 
>
>Note that color=tty has been changed to color=auto.  See the
>documentation for other change information.
>
>
>Cheers.  Syrus.

Hi Syrus,

In fact the above didn't work for me either--dumped core the first time I
used 'ls' after that! Had a hell of a time trying to figure it out.In fact
the new way of doing things (at least in my case, and by new I mean Debian
1.1) isn't to rely on /etc/DIR_COLORS, as color-ls and dircolors don't seem
to read it! What I had to do was run dircolors, monitor its output, then
copy this into my profile (/home/cw/.bash_profile). This is what finally
did the trick:

*** Excerpt from .bash_profile ***

# set up color-ls
LS_COLORS='di=1;34:bd=40;33;1:ln=1;36:cd=40;33;1:ex=1;32:*.tar=1;31:*.tgz=1;31:*.gz=1;31:'
export LS_COLORS;
LS_OPTIONS='--8bit --color=tty -F';
export LS_OPTIONS;
alias ls='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS ';
alias dir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=vertical';
alias vdir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=long';
alias d=dir;
alias v=vdir;

Of course, for all I know this could the *old* way of doing things, but it
works! Now I'm happy. Many thanks to all who responded.

Cheers,

Chris




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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Shawn Asmussen wrote:
> I agree. I would very much like to be running the F beta in its entirety,
> and with Debian I do not know how to go about doing that and being
> positive I am not breaking anything in the process. I realize that the
> owner of this package does not plan to release any of the beta versions as
> a Debian package while there is no source code, but I for one would VERY
> much appreciate some sort of instruction on what all is neccessary in
> order to take out the stock Debian XFree and replace it with one of the
> beta versions without breaking anything in the process. 

	Okay.  Here's how I got X 3.1.2[D|E|F] running.  The background:
The machines I was given to work with have Mach64 chipsets and the 
hardware appears to be so blasted _new_ I couldn't get the .deb X to 
work.  Ditto the X11R6 implementation of XFree86.  I _had_ to go with the 
betas, Debian or not.
	This might make some people cringe, but I didn't "take out" the
Debian XFree--I didn't want to be forcing overrides of (what the machines
thinks would be) dependency problems for the next n+1 months--with it 
installed but more than a little broken, I pulled the "D" beta stuff into 
/usr/X11R6 and installed it right on top of the Debian X.  Because it was 
after D's expiration date when I did this, I then I pulled down the "E" 
stuff and upgraded.  Yesterday and Thursday, I pulled the "F" beta stuff 
down and upgraded again.  I'll continue to do this with each successive 
beta, until the gamma is released.
	This worked, first time.  To date, every time.  Knock on monitor.
It's wildy wrong from the Debian package database's point of view, but
that's life.  It's as messy as hell, but dpkg's ability notwithstanding,
sooner or later, hacks must be perpetuated in order to get things to work
and messy things will be effected.
	Things are going to become INTERESTING when the .deb version of
X11R6.1 has been released and its time to install it.  Will I find files
that aren't accounted for by the .deb version?  Will I find other random
weirdness?  I'll deal with that when I run across it.  

	I realize that the question of "how do I install the betas without
making a mess of the package database" is as important as "how do I get the
betas running" to the last two or three people who've asked.  I also 
realize that this message doesn't even attempt to answer it, because I don't 
have experience with the next phase of it (installing the .deb over the 
betas), and I apologize for this.


David winters+@cs.cmu.edu
Office: 3503 WeH, x86720
MTFBWY


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If so, I'd appreciate a short note from you.  I'd like to know if you
use SLIP because PPP is unavailable, more expensive, or otherwise
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Thanks
Mike


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one thing I hope to do when I get acquainted(future,hopefully near )is 
to open consoles so mt family has, in effect simultaneous access to the 
computer so I can make upgrades nto one computer rather than buy and 
maintain several since hardware tends not to be cheap, I'm trying to 
think(and save up) ahead of time when that day comes what is needed
for each terminal?


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Hi!

>Have you succeeded in installing Debian? 

Yes and no. Following advice from Syrus, I tried different sets of disks. The 
"fixed" set of disks seem to have worked, but I think I may need to do FIPS again 
since I did not get/make a swap partition. I need to get some apps running and 
see what happens. Maybe the next time I send something to the group it will be 
from Debian. :)


Matt


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I have installed Netscape 3.0 (had to pull the deb package from the
incoming directory since for some reason the packages file still has the
last beta as the current version) on my debian system.

The browser works fine, but I can't get any java applets to work. I have
the setting set right and used the package setup that Brian put together,
but something still isn't working. I don't receive any errors when I aim
at a page that I know has an applet on it, it just doesn't work. The
applet space is blank.

I am wondering if there is anything else I would need to do to get java to
kick in. I am not ready to start developing applets yet, I just want to
have them work.

I have the 2.0.6 kernel installed (compiled myself).

Any ideas on where to look for settings that aren't right?

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> one thing I hope to do when I get acquainted(future,hopefully near )is 
> to open consoles so mt family has, in effect simultaneous access to the 
> computer so I can make upgrades nto one computer rather than buy and 
> maintain several since hardware tends not to be cheap, I'm trying to 
> think(and save up) ahead of time when that day comes what is needed
> for each terminal?
> 
A serial port.  A serial null-modem cable.  A terminal.  A free plug 
;-).

Seriously, that is about all you need, hardware wise.  Out of them, the 
hardest to come by would be the serial ports and the terminals.  I 
don't know where to go to get dedicated terminals, but usually some are 
available in the used market.  The serial ports are a potential 
problem.  Standard PC hardware limits you to two or four serial ports, 
unless something special is done.  There are plenty of solutions, most 
providing 4 or 8 extra serial ports.  If this is all you need, then 
that would be fine.

The cabling is simple, and you might even be able to buy pre-made null 
modem cables.

However, this solution, while fairly traditional, does have certain 
limitations.  The terminals will be limited to text.  X will be 
impossible.  If this is acceptable to you, then this is probably the 
least expensive option.  If you want X-like capabilities, then you need 
to go a more complicated route, a route that most likely involves 
ethernet.  I'll let others deal with that problem.



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I get the feeling that I am obtusely missing some important underlying 
point here that only tete a tete communication will solve. So if 
anyone in Kalamazoo-Three Rivers vector is willing to help me I'd be 
ever so grateful ......Mike List


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Hello DEBIAN user/programmers,

After kernel v2.0.0 I have been unable to produce any sound on my SB16
sound card. 

Is there a known bug (up until kernel 2.0.15) in the SB16 code of USS that I
missed during my vacations?

The sparing comments in the source point to an IRQ or DMA conflict when one
gets constant "Device or Resource busy" mesages on each:

cat blabla.au > /dev/audio    or
cat uuhuu.wav > /dev/dsp

But I haven't changed anything in the configuration of my hardware, nor my
kernel parameters...

Sorry but I didn't encounter any hint's in my /var/adm/messages eighter.
The USS does not permit compilation with DEBUGING on, does it?

Thankfull for any hints or suggestions,

regards,
    Stoyan
 

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   I'm not sure this is the right place to send this bug report...

   There's an inconsistency in Debian 1.1.  When the aout-svgalib
package is installed, it puts the libary files in
/usr/i486-linuxaout/lib, but ld.so is not configured to look there for
libraries, so the aout svgalibs are unusable.


   There seem to be two simple ways to fix the problem:

   *  a one-line addition to /etc/ld.so.conf
   *  installing the libraries etc in /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout instead


   I'm not sure which way is The One True Way.


Sebastian


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On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, David Morris wrote:

> The browser works fine, but I can't get any java applets to work. I have
> the setting set right and used the package setup that Brian put together,
> but something still isn't working. I don't receive any errors when I aim
> at a page that I know has an applet on it, it just doesn't work. The
> applet space is blank.

A possibility is that you're not waiting long enough.  In my experience,
it looks like the page is loaded (Netscape will indicate that the document
is loaded) and there is just a blank where the applet is supposed to run,
but in reality, either the applet is still loading or it is just taking a
long time to initialize or whatever.  The delay will probably be longer if
you do not have a lot of RAM as the applets seem to use lots of memory. 

Gerry


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My disk controller seems to be wanting to be "reset", but the
Debian install boot doesn't do this. As a consequence, it just
keeps repeating
   hda: hda: Status error: status=0x01 { Error }
   hda: Status error: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
   hda: Drive not ready for command.

The Slackware install boot on the other hand, does the following.

     hda: hda: Status error: status=0x01 { Error }
   hda: Status error: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
   hda: Drive not ready for command.
        [.. this error msg is repeated thrice.. ]
   ide0: reset success
   hda1 hda2 hda3
   VFS: Insert root floppy disk to be loaded into ramdisk and press ENTER.


I guess no Debian for me for now.
-bhaskar


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Well, how many times can I follow myself up?  Let me know if I get near
a record.

Ed Donovan <edonovan@world.std.com> writes:

> Well, wait, I didn't add: there is also a 2.2.26 release version, which
> I'm pretty_ includes the fast new parser, though not this and that
> spiffiness, blah, blah...

Uh, I may or may not be pretty, but that should have said "...I'm pretty
sure..." with little underlines which I won't try again.  Thank you for
your support.  

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I've been running the original 1.1 distribution for a while, and I'm
finally getting around to patching the kernel up to the current level.
This isn't going quite as smoothly as I expected.  I fetched all the
patches and tried to apply them and experienced:

/usr/src # linux/scripts/patch-kernel linux linux/Patches
Current kernel version is 2.0.0
Applying patch-2.0.1.gz... 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to drivers/sound/Config.in.rej
failed.  Clean up yourself.

What did I do wrong?

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On 16:47:57 Mike Taylor wrote:
>>If so, I'd appreciate a short note from you.  I'd like to know if you
>use SLIP because PPP is unavailable, more expensive, or otherwise
>inconvenient.
>
>Thanks
>Mike
Yes, I do.  At home I use SLIP (slattach) to connect two other machines
(both running MiniLinux :) to my Debian box.  Also, I do use SLIP to 
access our network at work.  Actually I use both for that, but since some
of the terminal servers I have there do not support PPP I use SLIP.  The
only real advantage I see with PPP is its a bit simpler to configure as far
as the provider of the connection is concerned.  The protocol does the
work, for the most part.  Not so with SLIP.  For the uses I make of it the
authentication is not an issue, nor is the support of protocols other than
tcp/ip.  So I use SLIP.  As for the Debian box, the changes with PPP and
its implementation on Linux over the past two years have been a little
difficult at times, but once its working, its fine.  The real advantages it
offers over SLIP are not very important if you don't need or use them.
Performance wise, there's little difference.

Paul


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I use SLIP because I have been using it for years and would need to
reconfigure things to use ppp.  Also, SLIP is easy to set up: you set
five parameters, and it works -- with PPP, it only really needs one
(the phone number) but if it doesn't work, the debugging problem is
harder.  (SLIP is also more available on unix systems - I run older
systems too, and some of them don't have PPP.)


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In article <506roe$a1h@miriam.fuller.edu>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@miriam.fuller.edu> wrote:
>Miquel van Smoorenburg (miquels@drinkel.cistron.nl) wrote:
>: In article <502r6l$i9l@miriam.fuller.edu>,
>: Christoph Lameter <clameter@miriam.fuller.edu> wrote:
>: >I think we should do the following.
>: >
>: >1. Map all high traffic groups / mailing lists linux.xxx to
>: >   comp.os.linux.*
>: 
>: No, *please* don't do this with, for example, linux.dev.kernel. It has
>: enough junk in it as it is; spreading this through all of usenet will make
>: the group useless. The real kernel hackers will find a new mailinglist
>: and use that instead (in fact that's already happening at the moment,
>: as I understand) and it will leave you with another group with lots of
>: traffic and no actual content.
>It has content even if the "real kernel hackers" find other ways of discussing
>the issues. The group is appearently needed otherwise it would not have that
>high a volume. You cannot avoid junk.

But you can try to avoid having too much groups around; the equivalent
of linux.dev.kernel _is_ comp.os.linux.development.system. What now
happens on linux.dev.kernel used to go on on colds, until most real
developers moved away from it (for a reason..). You don't want to have
someone asking how to use "Z" modem if he has a "Hayes" modem in
linux.dev.kernel ;)

This point comes up every once in a while; eventually after a lot
of discussion it is decided that creating extra newsgroups under c.o.l
is a bad idea (I think it wouldn't get through the RFD either)

>: Remember linux.* is really a gateway to a mailing list. BTW, do you
>: have your moderators file set up right? When I post something in linux.*,
>: it shows up on our news server within a matter of _minutes_. You do have
>: "linux.*:submit-%s@ratatosk.yggdrasil.com" in your moderators file, right?
>Exactly. And I have had repeatedly problems with that host rejecting e-mail and
>delaying delivery for hours. I have never had a message show up within
>minutes. 
>The reason for the delays might also be my NNTP access.
>Is there any location I can draw a faster NNTP feed for linux.* from?
>I currently get linux.* via PSI.

Ah. We get it from ratatosk.yggdrasil.com directly, that might explain
the difference. If you're a few hops away and the hosts in between run
innxmit every hour or so a delay of a couple of hours is not unusual.
But making the groups unmoderated is not going to change that in any way.
It just shows up on your _local_ site immideately.

Perhaps you can find out (through the Path: header) who the intermideate
sites are, and try to get a feed from a host higher up in the hierarchy.
It would be even nicer if they'd use nntplink or innfeed, then you would
have almost no delay at all.

Mike.
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