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You write:

}Has anyone else had this problem?  After upgrading my sysklogd package to
}sysklogd-1.3-6.deb (with the 1.1 distribution), I'm getting ": Operation
}not permitted" stuck on the end of the little disclaimer about how network
}logging over a UDP port is not enabled.  I've checked around in /etc/init.d
}and this error is definitely being generated by syslogd when it starts up.

could you check your /etc/servicses file if  syslog is commented out
in there.

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	Joey
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You write:

}I currently have a slackware machine forwarding all
}syslog and klog messages to my debian machine, but
}the debian machine does not seem to acknowledge or
}display them.
}This is how it is set up.

}203.xx.xx.xx - Slackware machine
}Syslog.conf file says
}*.*             @203.yy.yy.yy


}203.yy.yy.yy - Debian Machine
}syslog.conf file says
}*.*             logger

How did you start the syslogd? With or without `-r'? Check the
manpage.

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	Joey
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Hi,

A number of people have recommended apache as a web server.  What 
advantages does it have over Cern?  Can it run as a proxy server?

Thanks,

Ian
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**On 04 Jul, In article "Smail config problems (changing From: line)",
**	MO (Mike Orr) writes:
MO>On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Jean Orloff wrote:
MO>
MO>Sometimes I feel like just writing an smail-replacement script that would:
MO>** Deliver locally any mail to 'somebody (no hostname)' or to
MO>'somebody@linuxbox'.
MO>** Telnet smarthost SMTP and feed it any non-local mail, after changing
MO>From/Reply-to/Sender: from 'me(@linuxbox)' to 'smartaccount@ISP'.
MO>
MO>A companion receivemail script (or procmail + scripts) would:
MO>** Pop the mail and deliver it locally, changing To/Cc/Bcc: from
MO>'smartaccount@ISP' to 'me@linuxbox'.  (Possibly determining the local
MO>username from the comment part of the email address, as I've seen some
MO>people do.)
MO>** If no valid local account, forward to postmaster@linuxbox (or bounce
MO>it, but I'd rather see what it is).

Well, I have a config that can do that...

First Deliver locally and changing any non-local mail...

Smail /etc/smail/config file
------------------------------------
<cut>
visible_name=ISP.com
-domains
hostnames=PPPNUMBER.ISP.com:LINUXBOX
<cut>
------------------------------------

Smail /etc/smail/routers file
------------------------------------
<cut>
smart_host:
	driver=smarthost, transport=smtp;
	path=smtp.ISP.com
<cut>
------------------------------------

Smail /etc/smail/transports file
------------------------------------
<cut>
smtp:	driver=tcpsmtp, max_addrs=100, -max_chars, inet,
	remove_header="${if and{{origin:local}{dest:remote}} From}",
	insert_header="${if and{{origin:local}{dest:remote}} From: ${fullname} <ISP-ACCOUNT@${name}>}",
	append_header="${if and{and{{origin:local}{dest:remote}}{!header:organization}} Organization: LINUXBOX}",
	remove_header="${if {origin:local} Content-Length}",
	append_header="${if {origin:local} Content-Length: $body_size}";
	use_bind, defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames
<cut>
--------------------

And now a "companion" (procmail + scripts) for the ISP incoming mail

a procmailrc file 
--------------------
# /etc/ips-mail
# Christophe Le Bars 1996 - public domain
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
LOGFILE=/var/log/isp-mail
LOGABSTRACT=yes
# mail to clb (example 1!)
:0
* ^(To|Cc|Bcc):.*C(hristophe|\.)?( )?L(e|\.)?( )?B(ars|\.).* 
| formail -R "Cc:" "Old-Cc:" -R "BCc:" "Old-BCc:" -i "To: clb" | smail -eq -t -i	
# mail to od (example 2!)
:0
* ^(To|Cc|Bcc):.*O(livier|\.)?( )?D(upond|\.).* 
| formail -R "Cc:" "Old-Cc:" -R "BCc:" "Old-BCc:" -i "To: od" | smail -eq -t -i	
# If no valid local account...
:0w				
| /usr/local/sbin/isp-mail-error
------------------------------------

Then a script to use it... 
------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
# /usr/local/sbin/pop-isp-mail
# Christophe Le Bars 1996 - public domain script

touch /var/run/mail-pop-on
popclient -u ISP-ACCOUNT -P /etc/ppp/pop-psswd -c smtp.ISP.com |\
	formail -q- -z -s procmail -m /etc/isp-mail
rm -f /var/run/mail-pop-on
------------------------------------

And a script for unknow ISP incoming mail
------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
# /usr/local/sbin/isp-mail-error
# Christophe Le Bars 1996 - public domain script

TMPFILE=/tmp/isp-mail1.$$
LOGFILE=/tmp/isp-mail2.$$

cat - > $TMPFILE

ID=`formail -x "Message-ID"<$TMPFILE|cut -c2-`

[ "$ID" != "" ] || exit 1

cp $TMPFILE "/var/spool/isp-mail/$ID"
echo -e "\n pop-isp-mail ID error mail :\n" $ID "\n" >> $LOGFILE
mail -s "pop-isp-mail error..." postmaster < $LOGFILE

rm -f $TMPFILE $LOGFILE

exit 0
------------------------------------


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**On 04 Jul, In article "kernel-source-2.0.0 installation problem",
**	TE (Tim Egbert) writes:
TE>		dpkg -i kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb
TE>dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old post-removal script: No such file or directory
TE>dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 2
TE>dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
TE>dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory
TE>dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb (--install):
TE> subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 2
TE>dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory
TE>dpkg: error while cleaning up:
TE> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
TE>Errors were encountered while processing:
TE> kernel-source-2.0.0-0.deb
TE>What to do?  Please send any replies to this mailing list or to me at:

just

ln -s /usr/bin/perl /bin/perl

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**On 04 Jul, In article "Debian-1.1 problems: locale + dosemu + nfs-mount",
**	RO (Rolf Obrecht) writes:
RO>Hi out there,
RO>I upgraded from 0.93 to 1.1 and found some problems:
RO>
RO>1.) Several programs which try to set the locale fail and give me error
RO>messages like this:
RO>
>> warning: setlocale(LC_CTYPE,"") failed.
>> warning: LC_ALL = "(null)", LC_CTYPE = "ISO8859-1", LANG = "(null)",
>> warning: falling back to the "C" locale
RO>
RO>The programs "locale" and "localedef" seem to be missing. After fetching 
RO>the libc-source and building these progs, I found "locale" reporting the
RO>LC-Variables correctly corresponding to the values of my
RO>environment-variables, but this had no effect on the error messages.
RO>
RO>I DID install the wg-15-locale lib package. Where is my mistake ???

If you did install the wg15-locale-1-1.deb package... there is no need
to have "locale" and "localedef". wg15-locale install all the compiled
locales files in /usr/share/locale.

You must set LANG with one of this values: (may be "de_DE" for you!)
da_DK, de_AT, de_BE, de_CH, de_DE, de_LU, en_CA, en_DK,
en_GB, en_IE, en_US, es_ES, et_EE, fi_FI, fo_FO, fr_BE, fr_CA,
fr_FR, fr_CH, fr_LU, gr_GR, hr_HR, hu_HU, is_IS, it_IT, iw_IL,
kl_GL, lt_LT, lv_LV, nl_BE, nl_NL, no_NO, pl_PL, pt_PT, ro_RO,
ru_RU, sl_SI, sv_FI and sv_SE

PS: When i'll have more time... i'll make a package with localedef and locale:
libc5-nls... and make some symbolics links in /usr/share/locale...

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Subject: mkisofs stops if an error occurs

Package: mkisofs
Version: 1.05-1

mkisofs unfortunately stops if a permission problem occors on the 
source filesystem, like a directory isn't world executable or readable.

I would appreciate if it would report a warning and go on.  Some users
(like myself) can't provide two times 650 MB for creating an image, instead
they have to nfs-mount all the stuff somewhere.  If there is "confidential"
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Package: mkisofs
Version: 1.05-1

Mkisofs unfortunately stops if a permission problem occors on the
source filesystem, like a directory isn't world executable or readable.

I would appreciate if it would report a warning and go on.  Some users
(like myself) can't provide two times 650 MB space just for creating an
cd image, instead they have to nfs-mount all the stuff somewhere.  If
there is "confidential" stuff in a dirctory that should not occur on the
cdrom then mkisofs suddenly stops.

Regards,

	Martin

PS: If there is another bugreport beginning like this than it should be
reportet as a bug against mailx, because I pressed Ctrl-C to abort. Mailx
must not send that mail out...



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I am trying to install Debian Linux on a system with an NCR 53c810 SCSI
controller.  The kernel on the default boot disk does not seem to have
support for this controller.  I also tried using a different boot disk
that did have support for the controller, which worked fine up to the
step where I tried to install the kernel.  This failed, as it seems the
boot disk was not in MS-DOS format.  If anyone could point me towards a
boot disk image that would solve my problem it would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance...
Cory.


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> 
> I think there is something wrong with my chatscript but
> don't where is it.  Is it possible to make pppd echo all words on
> screen?  something like "dip -v".
> 
Look at /var/log/messages.  Chat writes debugging info to that file.

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Guglielmo Rabbiolo wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I've recently decided to install debian 1.1 after having used
> Slackware for years and I've been able at least to compile
> and boot kernel 2.0.
> 
> I followed the instructions and made the INSTALLATION BOOT
> disk boot1440.bin and the other disks.
> 
> When I reboot the system with this INSTALLATION BOOT disk I
> get at the boot: prompt and hit return.
> After that I get the loading....Uncompressing linux ... done
> message.
> Then everything goes very fast and after some "usual
> messages" I can see a kernel booting message followed by a
> lines of numbers of the form [<001f000a00>].
> 
> Then this dump stops for few seconds and from then on keep
> repeting itself. The only way to stop this process is to
> reboot the system.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the copy for the disk I made is not corrupted
> since I checked the md5 cheksum number.
> 
> Have any idea on what is going on?
> Is there any way to log the booting precess in order to be
> able to read the dump?

I've got a notion that the default kernel on this disk may have
some driver enabled that kills your system while probing for its
hardware. If you have a Slackware system still up and running,
you might want to compile your own kernel and use it on the boot
disk. This process basically involves a "make zimage" with initrd
and msdos filesystem aswell as other needed drivers enabled in the
kernel configuration. Then you mount the boot disk "mount -tmsdos
/dev/fd0" and copy the newly compiled kernel over:
"cp arch/i386/boot/zImage /mnt/linux". After that, you run the
prep script for the new kernel: "cd /mnt ; ./rdev.sh". You should
be able to boot your system with this kernel. 

HTH,
-- 
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: How about (assuming that you can rsh on the other-machine)
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	  tar cfp - /from/where/it/starts | (rsh other-machine tar xvfp -)

 This rsh thing is very nice, ASSUMING THAT YOU CAN RSH ON THE
OTHER-MACHINE.

---> rsh -l remote_user_name remote_host
     ASKS FOR A PASSWORD and gives a shell, that's ok.

---> rsh -l remote_user_name remote_host date
     gives just a Permission denied. :-(.
     Is there a way to make rsh ask for a password in this case?

     with the needed entry in  ~/.rhosts 
---> rsh -l remote_user_name remote_host date
     gives an innocent but annoying error message:
stdin: is not a ttystty: standard input: Invalid argument
Thu Jul 25 09:08:51 MET DST 1996


 -Andreas

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Hi, 
This is more for the mirror mantainers... but also for the impatient users:

In my opinion (hope I am wrong) the buzz-fixed/ tree under 
ftp.debian.org:/debian/ and the other directories pointing to it through 
symlinks (including stable/) do NOT reflect the changes made under 
buzz-updates/ and therefore is NOT fixed besides its name.

Or is it maybe that Debian-1.1.1 should not contain the updates to the 
June 16th 1.1 release in contradiction with the logging message?
Something doesn't fit.
     
For example, here is what you would get if you point your browser to 
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/buzz-fixed/disks-i386
     
>Current directory is /debian/buzz-fixed/disks-i386 
>
>Up to higher level directory
>  .message                          Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link 
>  1996_6_16/                        Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Directory
>  README                            Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link 
>  current                           Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link 
>  install.html                      Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link 
>  make-floppies                     Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link 
>  special-kernels/                  Tue Jul 23 11:10:00 1996 Directory
     
while pointing to buzz-updates/... you will get the newer "updated" files:
     
>Current directory is /debian/buzz-updates/disks-i386 
>
>Up to higher level directory
>  1996_7_14/                        Tue Jul 23 11:10:00 1996 Directory 
>  special-kernels/                  Tue Jul 23 11:09:00 1996 Directory
     
I am sure there may be other tests one could do to confirm that this is 
the problem. This is the simplest one I found (it took me more to find 
the problem than to write this letter ;-)
What confused me was that ".message" under debian states that  stable/ 
points to the latest Debian-1.1.x, while in fact stable/ points
to buzz-fixed/ (which turned out not to be fixed :). 
Hope this helps.
     
Enjoy Debian GNU/Linux! :-)
Lazaro

P.S. It would be nice to have quickstart guide at hand to help Debian
newcomers to understand/use dselect. Any idea? 

     
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> From: N. Salwen <salwen@phys2.harvard.edu>
> To: jamie@cri.com
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: IP forwarding and/or Masquerading
> Date: Monday, July 23, 2096 4:46 AM
> 
> 
> > I'm still struggling to get my PPP connection working properly.
Although =
> > the chat script is making the connection, I can;t send any packets to
=
> > any machine other than the one I am dailing in on. 
> 
> Did you set the defaultroute option to pppd?
> 

Setting the 'defaultroute' in /etc/ppp/options is not enough.  When I
installed Debian, I selected the defaultroute option for my network card. 
When PPPD would try to add a defaultroute for the ppp0 interface, it
wouldn't do it because a defaultroute already existed.  This prevented me
from communicating over the ppp0 interface.  To fix the problem, I edited
/etc/init.d/network and commented out the line that added the defaultroute
for the network card.  I rebooted, and everything worked fine.


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 I got also a seg fault but may be because I was using the VC #2 to mount 
 other partitions floppy  HD msdos and Linux ext2 :-)
 But that happen before installing the system (I was just trying yo copy 
 base1_1.tgz to avoid installing from floppies. In a second attemt I 
 succeeded. That was today.
 A week ago I also tried and I got error readiong from the diskettes as you 
 describe ( i did not know that that was a seg fault (today's experience 
 was more wexplicit as I could read the message on the terminal #2).
 I do not know what happened yet. I just want to tell you that doubled 
 checked the diskettes and they were legible. I tried again with new 
 diskettes and succeeded. I tried again wwith the old ones and no problem. 
 In summary: try and try and try. Maybe is something in the kernel 
 whichwhere small things might not have been ironed out yet. Try this if 
 you have time to experiment: 
 
 Boot with the boot disk (I used the June 16 - set)
 when asked for inserting the root, trry inserting one of the base set 
 ( I did it by mistake with #3). No problem, Linux (The kernel is in charge 
 yet!!) see the problem and asks you politely to insert the root disk (with 
 slightly diff message compred to the 1st time so things are going on 
 internally). 
 Ok then insert the root disk. pifffff! kernel panic! 
 I wrote down the codes I'll send to linux later (I have to work now.. 
 sorry)
 For my config (standard: ISA i486-DX33 + 16MBRAM + AHA1542 + 2 SCSI disks 
 no NIC) I could repeat the kernel 3 times did not try more :-)
 
 I am afraid we'll have to wait for a while with 2.0.0 if robustness is 
 your main concern.
 
 or... keep trying. just read  that deb 1.1.2 was realesed. Check the new 
 release is under stable/ (see my previous post) and coincied with 
 buzz-updates/ 
 
 Happy hacking!
 lazaro
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Ok, I'm installing Debian-1.1-"fixed" from 3.5" floppies, and everything
works just fine until it actually starts to install the base system.
Installation prompts me for the first disk, I put it in, it starts
installing and the gives me a Segmentation Fault.  That's it.  I've gotten
it to do as much as 240K, but it usually stops around 60-100K.  Then, of
course, it wants me to try again.

I'm running a Pentium 100 with 40 megs of ram, and I'm installing onto a
290 meg partition.  I do have a 16 meg swap partition set up, and I'v
tried everything from redoing the floppies to using a different
rawriter...  li'l help, please?

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 Well, a simple test to see whether (whichever) Linux kernel can recognize 
 the busmouse is by reading the booting screeen. If the busmouse detection 
 has been compiled in you should see at the very beggining just a few lines 
 after the "Loading ..." :
 
 Bus mouse detected and configured
 
 If your screen flies (as mine .-) in front of you try:
 
   # dmesg | grep mouse 
 
 As you will see Debian 1.1 and 1.1.1 did not have the busmouse supported 
 by the kernel (0.93R6 kernels 1.2.13 did). A pity because I have one too 
 :-). 
 
 
 Under buzz-updates/ you should find all the changes made to 1.1 
 --they were not included in buzz-fixed/ <-Debian-1.1.x/ <-stable/ 
 as of last friday however (see my previous post).
  
 You should also find under ../special buzz-updates/special-kernels/
 6 kernel config files with different options set. Among those different 
 compilation options, guess what... the configuration of busmice. Most of 
 them either are such that the CONFIGURE_BUSMICE (or something like that) 
 is not set, or is just set as loadable module. 
 
 In the installation scripts of debian installations set (june 16 and July 
 14) there was no mention about busmice modules. I agree. 
 
 I haven't checked out  Debian 1.1.2 which has just been released. 
 happy hacking :-)
 Lazaro


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>Hi Rick, (Or are you Mark? :-)

I am in fact Mark.

>DO you know if one can do somethiong similar to be able to recognize the 
>busmouse? I am not sure if busmice drivers can be loaded as modules. Again
>0.93 (linux 1.2.13) recognized at boot time. It not the case with 
>1.1 or 1.1.1 unsing Linux 2.0.0 and 2.0.6 respectively.
>I cannot check it on my system because I am "on the road" without my box.

And unfortunately I am not able to help you.  I imagine busmice
drivers would be loadable as modules, but it is a guess.

Try emailing to debian-user@lists.debian.org

Sorry I am not able to help further.

Mark.



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Hi again

Sorry for the typos in my previous posting.
> Subject: Re: Seg faulting on installation of base...
>Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
>Date:    28.07.96 18:02

Errata:
> or... keep trying. just read  that Debian 1.1.2 was realesed. 
> PLease check that the new release is under stable/ (see my 
> previous post) and that those files are the same as those 
> under buzz-updates/  

But "linux" instead of "Linus" was the most offensive one but not the only 
:-) My sincere apologies for those who speak and write proper English and of 
course to Linus.

 Happy hacking!
 lazaro


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 Nopp... it was not a mirror. As I said in my post I was pointing to
 ftp.debian.org. If you check there, there has been som reorganization 
 during Friday and Saturday by Maor. Read a previous posting by Guy 
 announcing the release of 1.1.2. 
 
 Follow this thread... I am checking things now and something does not fit.
 the files in question (Changelog under updates) at ftp.debian.org are not 
 readable now (maybe something is working on them?) 
 
 Happy Hacking.
 Lazaro

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> In my opinion (hope I am wrong) the buzz-fixed/ tree under 
> ftp.debian.org:/debian/ and the other directories pointing to it through 
> symlinks (including stable/) do NOT reflect the changes made under 
> buzz-updates/ and therefore is NOT fixed besides its name.

Perhaps the mirror isn't up to date yet? (Just guessing).

> P.S. It would be nice to have quickstart guide at hand to help Debian
> newcomers to understand/use dselect. Any idea? 

The main screen is quite informative, in the select option one can get
keystrokes help and that's all you need to know (IMHO, but ok I'm 
working with it for months now).

Erick




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 As Guy says, 
 
 Wait a few days before downloading. 
 
 Things are not yet (IMHO) completely fixed _everywhere_ or at best 
 slightly confusing. To make it clear, and as Guy announced, the new boot 
 set is: 
 
 >Changes from Debian-1.1.1 are:
 >  base-1.1.0-14
 >  boot-floppies-1.1.1-10
 >  boot disks 1996-07-14
 >  kernel-headers, kernel-image, kernel-source 2.0.6
 >  xosview 1.3.2-4.11996-07-:
 
 Please, in case you're in doubt, remember: The 1.1.2 is under the name 
 1996-07-14 and not 1996_7_14 (this last is the one that since 2 weeks ago 
 under buzz-updates/ without being stable/ or friends being properly linked 
 to it).
 
 The files corresponding to the announced 1.1.2 release are time-stamped 
 on Friday or Saturday 27 (opppps! and even today...I am looking at them 
 right now... As I thought somebody was fixing things not so long ago now)
 
 here is what I see _now_
  
 ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/buzz-fixed/disks-i386/
 
 Up to higher level directory
   .message                          Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link
   1996-07-14/                       Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Directory
   1996_6_16/                        Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Directory
   README                            Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link
   current                           Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   install.html                      Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link
   make-floppies                     Sun Jul 14 14:18:00 1996 Symbolic link
   special-kernels/                  Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Directory
 
 And for those of you who need the special kernels (look at the 
 config-[0-5] files ) 
 
 ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/buzz-fixed/disks-i386/special-kernels/
   boot1440_2.0.5-0.bin              Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   boot1440_2.0.5-1.bin              Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   boot1440_2.0.5-2.bin              Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   boot1440_2.0.5-3.bin              Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   boot1440_2.0.5-4.bin              Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   boot1440_2.0.5-5.bin              Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   config-0                          Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   config-1                          Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   config-2                          Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   config-3                          Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   config-4                          Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   config-5                          Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   kernel-image-2.0.5...             Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   kernel-image-2.0.5...             Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   kernel-image-2.0.5...             Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   kernel-image-2.0.5...             Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   kernel-image-2.0.5...             Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
   kernel-image-2.0.5...             Sat Jul 27 00:48:00 1996 Symbolic link
 
 
 Before you rush, check if your kernel on the installation boot disk (is a 
 DOS FAT remember? has the around Jul 14 date. 
 
 If so. Wait a few days a  download  the new ones. I heard and noticed that 
 2.0.0 had some buggy kbd but maybe some other important things were broken 
 in it (refer to Changelog and _ask_!) 
  
 As far as I am concerned, I will wait a few days before upgrading 
 _anyway_. Thanks for the job folk of Debian.
 
 A suggestion (or a wish): it would be nice if _all_ the Debian releases, 
 were announced through the debian-announce and comp.os.linux.announce
 
 Happy hacking!
 Lazaro
 
 P.S. If you insist I can prepare a longer posting with more details but 
 don't panic. Just wait until the mantainers work it out, and I am sure 
 they have done a lot of the fixing as far as the tree structure is 
 concerned. Notice that the opening message when pointing your browser to 
 ftp.debian.org/debian has been modified last friday. As I write this PS 
 ls-lr.gz is not accessible. It's yesterdays version (with the fixes done 
 today not reflected in it) so by the time you read this you can maybe 
 see the new one and just forget all my commments... I hope.
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Subject: Debian 1.1.2 is Released
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Date:    27.07.96 05:59


Debian 1.1.2 is on the master site.  Within a few days, you should see
it on the mirrors.

Changes from Debian-1.1.1 are:
  base-1.1.0-14
  boot-floppies-1.1.1-10
  boot disks 1996-07-14
  kernel-headers, kernel-image, kernel-source 2.0.6
  xosview 1.3.2-4.1

Changes from Debian-1.1 are the above and:
  dpkg 1.2.11
  kbd 0.91-3
  perl, perl-debug, perl-suid 5.003-2
  qpopper 2.1.4-3

For more information on what bugs these updates fix, see
Debian-1.1-updates/ChangeLog.

Debian-1.1.2, also reachable as Debian-1.1-fixed, stable, and
buzz-fixed, is a symlink copy of Debian-1.1 with the updates from
Debian-1.1-updates applied.


Guy




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Shaya Potter spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil says:
>
> On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, David J. Evans wrote:

> > I've recently switched from RedHat to Debian 1.1 and am 
> > experiencing problems with X.  I had previously run X 
> > successfully on Redhat and so assumed that there would be 
> > no problem.
> > ...
> > 
> > Fatal server error:
> > Cannot open mouse (No such device)
> > 
> >______________
> >David J. Evans
> >AMS, Virology Research Group, The University of Reading
> >Whiteknights, P.O. Box 228, Reading RG6 6AJ
> >Tel : +44 (0)118 9318893  Fax : +44 (0)118 9316537
> >http://skpc10.reading.ac.uk/
> 
> The kernel you are using might not have ps/2 mouse support compiled in, 
> try remaking and when you configure it, include mouse support (it's under 
> the character device setting).
>
> Another possibility, even though it doesn't appear so from you error 
> message, could be if you are running gpm.  
> ....
> ...
> Shaya Potter
> spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil
>

It is not gmp. Debian runs a script that kills gpm before you start X
..clever hmm!) so it is definitely the compiled kernel you are using 
the cause of the error.

Check under special-kernels for a new kernel to boot from, or build a new one 
with mouse support. Alternatively (the simplest maybe), from the Config files to
build the kernel I found in Debian (see release stable = 1.1.2) it seems that 
the 2.0.x kernels support loadable drivers (i.e., module) for the busmice, but I
could not find those for the busmice. You check uner /lib/modules/2.0.x/... I 
think.

Hope it helps,
Lazaro 

P.S. If your kernel supports the Bus Mouse you see it at boot time
     Try "dmesg | grep mouse"



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 I think that is related to something I noticed today when trying to 
 install Debian 1.1.1 with the installation disks set 1996_7_14 
 (whatch out! I did not say "1996-07-14 boot disk set" which corresponds to 
 the new Debian 1.1.2 just released yesterday).
 
 When configuring the system during the installation I managed to read 
 some "header .. modules... missing" sorry it was too fast to read, but
 I realized that there was a conflict between the kernel and the 
 configuration at the level kernel module interaction. 
 Avoid using the packages kernel-source_2.0.6-0.deb  (image and headers are 
 based/related to these source) originally time stamped around July 14/15.
 
 By the way  the mantainer included the version number in the name of the 
 control files so if you "dpkg-name -a kernel*.deb" you get the funny name
 kernel-source_2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb as it happened with version 2.0.0 included 
 in Debian 1.1.
 Can this be considered a "bug report" I don't dare to :-)
 
 Noticed that the new kernels are 2.0.5 and not 2.0.6 (it would be nice to 
 know why this step back ...:-)
 
 Happy hacking,
 Lazaro
 

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I just upgraded from 2.0.0 to 2.0.6 including modules
and now I get many undefines when installing nfs module.

like:

nfs_mknod undefined
nfs_sillyrename_cleanup undefined
.
..
...
Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.6) don't match your
linux-2.0.6

Any way to fix this?
Other mods load fine. the nfs loaded fine in 2.0.0

Thanks for any info,
Jim

===========================================================
Jim Gerace
Senior Systems Engineer
email: jim@kasinet.com
www:   http://www.kasinet.com




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Maybe you want to check a related article in the August issue of the Linux 
Journal (www.ssc.com) or point your browser to www.lasermoon.com for the 
Linux FT 1.2 distribution.
cheers,
lazaro

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Hello,
     
I was reading that Caldera has some very important announcements 
regarding the linux system; posix, and  standards. does anyone here 
have any thoughts on how this will impact the direction of the debian 
project?
     
allan bart
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I changed the subject of this posting because I want to  follow this 
thread now:

On 29.07.96 17:27 Jim <jim@kasinet.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Is buzz-fixed (<- stable<- Debian-1.1.x <- Debian ) FIXE
> ..
>>> ...
>>> Lazaro
>>> P.S. It would be nice to have quickstart guide at hand to help Debian
>>> newcomers to understand/use dselect. Any idea? 
>>
>>The main screen is quite informative, in the select option one can get
>>keystrokes help and that's all you need to know (IMHO, but ok I'm 
>>working with it for months now).
>>
>>Erick
>>
>
> I am a Debian newcomer (not a Linux newcomer, came over from slackware) 
> and thought the dselect was very overwhelming the first 5 minutes, 
> less overwhelming after the first hour, and figured it out with the 
> onscreen help texts after a few. 

Agreed. I am thinking in those first 5', ...although, I must confess, 
it took me longer to feel at ease with dselect :-) 

> MUCH more powerful than anything slackware has. 
Of course. That's why I asked for a pointer to a dselect's quickstart-
like guide, ...and not a pointer to a Slackawre mirror :-). 

IMHO those 5' _may_ frighten many potential Debian users. I agree 
that you get used to it,... and even love it! But be honest, 
and try to remember how did you feel about using Slackware's "setup" 
the first 5'`? Now compare it to your dselect 1st experience. 

I know that may be very difficult to have both a catchy interface 
and a powerful packaging system, but is not impossible. It just requires 
work. From what I heard many will agree that "dselect can be (and is) 
overwhelming at first". It might be then useful to make explicit that 
not so nice feeling and contribute with our feedback to the project.

Some questions could help us in the process:

- Where were you expecting to find this particular function?  
- What was there, where you didn't expected it to be? 
- What were you waiting to get when typing that key?
and more generally:
- What was confusing with dselect during those 5'? 
and so on... 

Here is a list with what I recall from my first experience using dselect:

1) I didn't feel the need (as a newcomer I was) to have so many  
possibilities to choose the menu options by three different methods 
(letters, numbers, and cursor keys). Having at most two (keep the cursor 
keys and numbers please :) would have made it much simpler _to_ME_ as a 
1st time user. After those 5', I know that those 3 possibilities exist, 
but... who cares, I use always the same one, as probably you do. 
Somebody will argue that "flexibiity is a strong features for advanced 
users" I would answer that power users would use dpkg instead. That's 
the whole point of dselect: hide the "complexities" (powerfull features) 
of dpkg under a front-end, namely, dselect.

2) The <Help> function may be an exception (leave as many routes to it 
as possible) as many (DOS->Linux converted) might be used to have help 
on <F1> so ... why not? it won't hurt, and it is unobtrusive for those 
who don't want to use it. The installation Menu of Debian offers it 
there and it is nice to find things where we expect them to be.

3) Another one: When proceeding with the installation (I don't remeber 
if it is  the same when removing packages) the message 

   Skipping unselected <packagename> ...
   Skipping unselected <packagename> ...

scrolls on my screen with a long list. It takes a lot of time 
(i/o from/to screen is slow, remeber?) and I can hear dselect 
accessing my HD intermitently (=slow). What about suppressing that 
printing which doesn't give _me_ any useful information. Again it may 
give information _to_you_, but remeber, you are not a 1st time user.
A --verbose option if you like could be handy (I haven't check in 
fact).  A compromise would be to print the whole list of the 
unselected packages at the beggining/end of the main proper 
installation process.

4) This last one is really trivial and more of style concern. 
In the openning screen I would expect the name and version number 
of dselect at the top line (one line), maybe the copyright info 
below and all that well separated from the following Main menu. 
Presently the name is at the top, then the Menu,  and after it the 
name and version again. 
You could say: "Why? What's wrong with the present placement of those 
strings? and you have the nice colors too!!".
I could give you _my_own_good_reason (I think I have one in fact) but 
that may not suite you. The idea behind what I am saying is: let's not 
argue about dselect (there is a alt.dselect.advocacy for that purpose 
:)  
I just want to see if we can agree on why "this" or "that" 
style|feature makes dselect look overwhelming during those first 5'. 
It shouldn't be difficult since many will agree on that 1st 
impression.  

-- I think these four comments are enough to begin.

An then... what? well...if most of the users agree that "this 
particular feature of dselect" is confusing, it wouldn't be difficult 
for Ian (or even a volunteer) fix that? The idea, I repeat, is try to 
see if we can help to make a dselect as simple as possible for new 
users. Maybe we could come with some suggestions/ideas about how to 
make it more sex-appealing :-) Ian....are you listening....

Maybe there is already a wishlist in the doc (I think I saw one for 
dpkg). I am not on Linux box now... can anybody check please? Maybe 
this things were already discussed.

I just read a follow-up to this thread from: 
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel  <http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd>
He says
>Don't worry, took me much longer to become at ease with dselect 
> --- but then I started with meaner versions :-) It is a truly 
> amazing piece of work. If only we could get some documentation 
> for newbies ...

Precisely. Add now: If we could only polish some few edges... 
I do believe so.


Lazaro 



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 On 29.07.96 17:27 Jim <jim@kasinet.com> writes:
 
 >Subject: Re: Is buzz-fixed (<- stable<- Debian-1.1.x <- Debian ) 
 >...
 > At 10:44 PM 7/26/96 +0200, you wrote:
 >> In my opinion (hope I am wrong) the buzz-fixed/ tree under 
 >> ftp.debian.org:/debian/ and the other directories pointing to it 
 through 
 >> symlinks (including stable/) do NOT reflect the changes made under 
 >> buzz-updates/ and therefore is NOT fixed besides its name.
 >
 >Perhaps the mirror isn't up to date yet? (Just guessing).
 
 Jim the problem I mentioned  was fixed in the meantime, on friday 
 precisely (and maybe minor edges were ironed out during the weekend). 
 That's real fast! ... thank you again Guy for pointing it out in your 
 previous posting today. 


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 This is what I found from the debian-announce mailing list 
 
 
 > > Date: 20 Jul 96 18:01 UT
 > > Format: 1.6
 >>> Distribution: stable <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 >>> Urgency: High  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 > > Maintainer: Helmut Geyer <Helmut.Geyer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de>
 > > Source: procps
 > > Version: 1.01a-1
 
 LAzaro

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Subject: Re: Debian 1.1.2 is Released
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Date:    29.07.96 03:24


You are missing important things: Why is procps-1.01a not included?
Try a "ps alx" with debian and you will see.

Guy Maor (maor@ece.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Debian 1.1.2 is on the master site.  Within a few days, you should see
: it on the mirrors.
: 
: Changes from Debian-1.1.1 are:
:   base-1.1.0-14
:   boot-floppies-1.1.1-10
:   boot disks 1996-07-14
:   kernel-headers, kernel-image, kernel-source 2.0.6
:   xosview 1.3.2-4.1
: 
: Changes from Debian-1.1 are the above and:
:   dpkg 1.2.11
:   kbd 0.91-3
:   perl, perl-debug, perl-suid 5.003-2
:   qpopper 2.1.4-3
: 
: For more information on what bugs these updates fix, see
: Debian-1.1-updates/ChangeLog.
: 
: Debian-1.1.2, also reachable as Debian-1.1-fixed, stable, and
: buzz-fixed, is a symlink copy of Debian-1.1 with the updates from
: Debian-1.1-updates applied.
: 
: 
: Guy
: 




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> > >	i installed netscape_3.0-beta4-1.deb tonight and it said that i
> > >needed "netscape-v30b4-export.i586-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz|Z" in the
/tmp
> > >directory. Well  ^^^^^ this is all v30b5 in the ftp.netscape.com
site.
> > >What do i have to do to get netscape running?
> > 
> > You could try renaming the file.  I don't imagine that the differences

> > between the two are very drastic. 
> 
> Well the message i got from dpkg stated "do not just rename..." guess i
> could try it but are there any other options that someone may know of.
> 
That won't work.  I tried.  It puked after a while.  The maintainer needs
to update it.


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It was Re: Debian 1.1.2 NFS Module not loading
       Re: nfs module doesn't load in 2.0.6

As a Log, this must be a long posting. I just try to find connections 
between what I think are related problems.
---

I did the following experiments:

Experiment #1
- On a clean 16MB partition I tried the 1996_7_14 installation disk set
  (with Linux 2.0.6) which I dowloaded last week from buzz-updates/... 

- I then got error messages with with "undefined symbols" when in the 
  "Configure the system" stage of the installation script.
  It was difficult to read the scrolled off messages ... and then I was 
  on the installation menu again ---Bruce... would it be possible to 
  generate a log of the installation to trap those errors?, maybe "sleep" 
  them if no logging is conveniente/possible.
- I could finish the configuration, w/ creation of the boot and all that.
- I rebooted chose rebooot (in fact halted) the system.
- I decided not to use the system in that state (I didn't check how the
  system would have behaved at run time). I was thinking of mounting 
  that fresh install (even with no root password :-) to investigate the 
  problem later. I had no time yet.

Considering that some people is starting to use the kernels 2.0.6 after Debian 
1.1.2,  I decided to come back and look closer to the problem.

Can anybody check this "fresh" Debian 1.1.2 install problem ...a spare 16MB 
partition (you could use your swap for a while) will be enough.
 
Just a comment: The disks I used, were under ../buzz-update/.. since Jul 14 
but not in ../buzzed-fixed/... (linked to Debian-1.1.1 and stable) untill last 
weekend (between friday and sunday) when the the tree problem was fixed by Guy 
Maor. 
The same disks "appeared" under the ../stable/... tree under the new name 
1996-07-14 and Debian 1.1.2 was released just after that. Guy already posted 
that there are the same disks. (check postings included below) 


Experiment #2.
- Forget the disk set of experiment #1: I now started from an "old" 
  Debian 1.1 working system (the same you find under buzz or Debian-1.1 with 
  the kernel 2.0.0) installed with the standard boot dsks of 1996_6_11
  
- I downloaded dpkg-1.2.11elf and (dselect/dpkg) installed kbd, perl-..., 
  and the kernel-image-2.0.6 from updates/... which was announced together 
  with Debian 1.1.2. Maybe I dowloaded them from stable = Debian-1.1.2 but
  those are the same now. I was on master.debian.ftp

- I reboot the machine (linux 2.0.6) and...

  ... at boot time I managed to read again the same 
  messages as in experiment #1:

   ...
   undefined symbols in ......./modules/...
   undefined symbols in ...... /modules/...
   ....

- One of the lines had the string "nfs"
  (Eureka! it coincides with the other reports) 

I Tried "dmesg | more" but did not work.
---May I suggest again to redirect 2> last_boot.log  

That's all.
Lazaro

P.S. Related postings follow in reverse chronological order
     This %&/%# mail reader (cc-mail for windows) is configured in 
     such a way that I cannot see who the original sender is. Sorry.

--
Lazaro D. Salem                   E-mail: salem@rf.no
RF-Rogaland Research               Phone: +47 51 87 50 00
P.O.Box 2503, Ullandhaug          Direct: +47 51 87 50 65
N-4004 Stavanger, NORWAY             Fax: +47 51 87 52 00

-------- On 1996-07-31 04:54
>I've recompiled my kernel (and, yes, I've remembered to 'make modules'
>and 'make modules_install'), but when I boot now, I get an error message
>saying that it can't find the modules.
>I'm using Kernel 2.0.6 and modules 2.0.0
>Whats wrong?

-------- On 1996-07-31 00:32
>I get a lot of unresolved symbols when trying to install via NFS
>from the newest release on ftp.debian.org.
>trying to do a 
>insmod nfs
>
>get a screenful of those too.


On Sun, 28 Jul 1996 Lazaro.Salem@rf.no wrote:

>  I think that is related to something I noticed today when trying to 
>  install Debian 1.1.1 with the installation disks set 1996_7_14 
>  (whatch out! I did not say "1996-07-14 boot disk set" which corresponds to 
>  the new Debian 1.1.2 just released yesterday).

They're one and the same.  A user suggested naming them as YYYY-MM-DD
which is ISO recommended.


>  By the way  the mantainer included the version number in the name of the 
>  control files so if you "dpkg-name -a kernel*.deb" you get the funny name
>  kernel-source_2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb as it happened with version 2.0.0 included 
>  in Debian 1.1.

That's done on purpose so you can install more than one kernel.


Guy


---------Lazaro Salem (that's me) wrote last Sunday: 
 I think that is related to something I noticed today when trying to 
 install Debian 1.1.1 with the installation disks set 1996_7_14 
 (whatch out! I did not say "1996-07-14 boot disk set" which corresponds to 
 the new Debian 1.1.2 just released yesterday).
 
 When configuring the system during the installation I managed to read 
 some "header .. modules... missing" sorry it was too fast to read, but
 I realized that there was a conflict between the kernel and the 
 configuration at the level kernel module interaction. 
 Avoid using the packages kernel-source_2.0.6-0.deb  (image and headers are 
 based/related to these source) originally time stamped around July 14/15.
 
 By the way  the mantainer included the version number in the name of the 
 control files so if you "dpkg-name -a kernel*.deb" you get the funny name
 kernel-source_2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb as it happened with version 2.0.0 included 
 in Debian 1.1.
 Can this be considered a "bug report" I don't dare to :-)
 
 Noticed that the new kernels are 2.0.5 and not 2.0.6 (it would be nice to 
 know why this step back ...:-)
 
 Happy hacking,
 Lazaro
 

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Subject: nfs module doesn't load in 2.0.6
Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:    27.07.96 06:11


I just upgraded from 2.0.0 to 2.0.6 including modules
and now I get many undefines when installing nfs module.

like:

nfs_mknod undefined
nfs_sillyrename_cleanup undefined
.
..
...
Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.6) don't match your
linux-2.0.6

Any way to fix this?
Other mods load fine. the nfs loaded fine in 2.0.0

Thanks for any info,
Jim

===========================================================-------------
Jim Gerace
Senior Systems Engineer
email: jim@kasinet.com
www:   http://www.kasinet.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guy Maor (maor@ece.utexas.edu) wrote:
 Debian 1.1.2 is on the master site.  Within a few days, you should see
 it on the mirrors.
 
 Changes from Debian-1.1.1 are:
   base-1.1.0-14
   boot-floppies-1.1.1-10
   boot disks 1996-07-14
   kernel-headers, kernel-image, kernel-source 2.0.6
   xosview 1.3.2-4.1
 
 Changes from Debian-1.1 are the above and:
   dpkg 1.2.11
   kbd 0.91-3
   perl, perl-debug, perl-suid 5.003-2
   qpopper 2.1.4-3
 
 For more information on what bugs these updates fix, see
 Debian-1.1-updates/ChangeLog.
 
 Debian-1.1.2, also reachable as Debian-1.1-fixed, stable, and
 buzz-fixed, is a symlink copy of Debian-1.1 with the updates from
 Debian-1.1-updates applied.
 
 
 Guy
 


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Hi

The DOS+LOADLIN solution is in my opinion a very practical and safe one. I read 
"much safer than LILO" somewhere and some time ago, but I cannot recall why nor 
if it has changed with the last versions of LILO for which horror histories 
abound. Anybody knows?

There is however at least one situation that none of LILO or SYSLINUX can cope 
with: The Compaq boxes with a PCI SCSI and or Ethernet card on board.
The problem is that Linux cannot address the PCI services on them (Ref: Linus 
Torvald). This is the case, at least, for the Compaq Deskpro and the high end XL
series. There was a page on the WWW for Linux on these last. 

But...DOS+LOADLIN can cope with it:

Compaq provides a DOS driver (luckily Novell Netware has the same problem as 
Linux :) called MOVEPCI which re-addresses PCI services and exits. Then one can 
load via MS-DOS LOADLIN. A CONFIG.SYS on top of MS-DOS 5.0
that worked for me is:

----- Cut here ----
DEVICE=\MOVEPCI.SYS
SHEL=\LOADLIN \vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 ro 
----- Cut here ----

This and all the variants you can imagine like(take them alone or combined)  
LOADLIN from AUTOEXEC, within a menuitem (DOS 6.xx), many different kernels
and/or root on different partitions, with the kernel image on HD or FD (yes, 
two moderatly large kernels + LOADLIN + MOVEPCI...fit in one FD!) and you can 
of course pass old the boot parameters you one in a line or (if too long for 
DOS) in a file. And if in a floppy is readable/transportable from/to any DOS 
machine around (the same good point of Syslinux used on Debian).

I think LOADLIN is a good (and versatile) choice. I prefer it to LILO unless 
somebody can show me a good reason to not.

P.S. Yes, I know that with Syslinux you can fit 3 kernels on one floppy + a tiny
editor (I have DOS screen editor of size=4096 bytes!)
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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, nathan work wrote:

> ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
> little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
> - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
> this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
> to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
> from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

What I have done is similar to what Susan suggest in using LOADLIN, but I
have setup a menuitem in config.sys to handle it.  The line I use in the
config.sys file is:

shell=c:\loadlin.exe c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 ro

This assumes my root file system is on hda6.  This way when I boot I have
the option presented to me.  It is very much like LILO, but is all done
through DOS/WIN95 utilities (when I started using linux, I was more
comfortable doing it this way).

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The latex related packages were not in 1.1.2
You can find the changes in Changelog under /buzz-updates/..
If you read the messages will notice that stable, Debian-1.1.x and 
Debian-1.1-fixed _always_ are just links to the "real" files, no matter 
what the value of "x". You can zgrep ls-lR.z at the root to check.
regards,

Lazaro (salem@rf.no)
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Hi all,

I noticed 1.1.3 up on the master debian ftp site. Where is
the doc that states the changes from 1.1.2? As far as I see it,
its just a link back to the Debian-1.1-fixed (just like 1.1.2
had)

Jim

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- dpkg-ftp is a separate program under projects/experimental (chek withint 
the zgrep ls-lR.gz (only 100Kb ;-)


- yes dselect will do itif you have all or just what you know you need.
My experience is that you never now exactly all the dependencies so if you 
don't have all.... Anyway you can install partially with dselect, and if 
you don't have all what you need to resolve the dependencies, just switch 
to the next virtual console (<alt>-Fn) and ftp the missing package. Then 
switch back and resolve the problem within dselect. 


- Also, If dpkg-ftp is an option for you, maybe mounting NFS the whole 
thing is also viable (check the mirrors page).
good luck!
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Hi guys,
 
I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention of any ftp usage
when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be a separate binary called
dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...
 
I'm trying to download the latest Debian distribution via FTP, but I've
had problems both with ncftp and with dftp. I was hoping dpkg-ftp would
be a better solution...
 
Another suggestion was to mirror debian. How much space is required to 
mirror? Can a mirror be partial?

Lastly, once I've gotten all that's required from FTP, is dselect a good 
method to use for performing the install?

Thanks,
Ricardo




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Hi
I would like to have a "floating" Debian system on my external SCSI HD.
At home I have no (network ...yet :) and at work I have a connection through 
ethenet. I think have resolved all the details except a proper network 
connection. At install, I said I had network and gave the IP addres of: my host 
at work, the network, gateway and DNS.

However something wrong happens with the email. I can send mail, but I cannot 
receive any. Sendmail creates huge logs for every bounce (it tries every 30' by 
default). I can ftp and telenet but other people cannot telnet or ftp into my 
machine although I modified the /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow 

Q1) Maybe I should not use the DNS and rout through my own /etc/hosts? Is there 
any advantage?

Q2) Is there any script to do this things being "taken by hand" ?

Q3) Can I use dinstall? That's the script one runs when installing the system 
for 1st time. I imagine its in the boot and saved a copy before rebooting...
Can I use it to REconfigure the net, maybe I missed something during the 
installation? I notice that modconf is available in sbin/ but what about the 
other modules related to net configuration? 

Any net guru out there can help me to configure the system? Maybe not "on-line" 
in this list so as to save bandwidth. Thank you, Lazaro 

salem@rf.no
P.S. I read a lot in the Network admin quide, but that was 1 year ago... :-)





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 Phil, Michael,
 Maybe pstree (and friends mentioned in the man page) can help you to trace 
 the problem 
 Lazaro <salem@rf.no>
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On Tue, 06 Aug 1996 15:42:37 +0200 Michael Gaertner 
(gaertnem@ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote:
> shutdown -h now
> 
> console-message:
> "start-stop-daemon:warning: failed to kill 218: No such process"
> 
> Indeed there is no PID 218. BTW the pid-number changes with every
> shutdown.
> I think it has something to do with X Windows because I have another
> debian-system without X Windows installed - and I don't get this message.

I have the same minor problem, and it's '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' which causes the 
t
rouble. From what I've found, start-stop-daemon will kill the process tree of 
the
 daemon to stop. In case of xdm, it will try to kill xdm first, then X.
But, xdm kills X too when it's about to shutdown. The message appears when xdm 
ki
lls X before start-stop-daemon. Sometimes, no message appears, and I assume that
happens when start-stop-daemon kills X before xdm.

I have no fix yet. (It's only a minor annoyance)

Phil.





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 Hi Jay,
 There have been some postings (since the 1.1.2 release) to this list  
 reporting  the same problem. Check last week's ones as I sent a kind of 
 reports-log. I heard of no answers so I am not sure whther we are 
 exceptions# to the rule.
 
 My solution was to reinstall 1.1 (stable tree) download & install the 
 packages in the updates. Among them the kernel-source-2.0.6-0.i386.deb 
 (please check the name) but not the kernel-image. 
 I the recompiled the 2.0.6 with the debian script to create a kernel-image 
 package. Look at kernel source tree for a debian.---- .
 As a result I got the kernel-image-2.0.6-choose.your.tag.here.deb which I 
 installed with dpkg (instructions are in the debian script)
 Now I have a custom (leaner) kernel and no problems so ever with the 
 "undefined" messages. 
 
 Lazaro
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Hi,

During installation I was prompted to select some modules to
install.

I wanted nfs but it replied

	nfs_mknod undefined
	nfs_sillyrename_create undefined
	nfs_create undefined undefined
	nfs_mkdir undefined undefined
	nfs_lookup_cache undefined undefined
	nfs_rename undefined undefined
	nfs_lookup undefined undefined
	nfs_nfs_rmdir undefined undefined
	nfs_link undefined
	nfs_refresh_inode undefined
	nfs_symlink undefined
	nfs_unlink undefined
	Loading failed ! The module symbols 
	(from linux-2.0.6) don't match your linux-2.0.6
	Installation failed

For the internet protocol drivers it said:
	Can't locate module console

And for my ne2000 card:
	ne.c : Module autoprobing not allowed
	append "io=0xNNN" values

	(Howabout pointer to Ethernet Howto in Installation doc
	where values to try above can be found)

I also tried (with identical results):
	modprobe -t fs nfs.o


Fortunatly, can still use computer since didn't overwrite
previous system.  However, can't install Debian since cannot
mount the nfs drive where distribution will be kept.

Have read the Module-Howto and related Docs but can't find 
a solution to these problems.  I fed the first line of nfs 
error message to dejanews using 200,000 linux messages and it 
found nothing !  It looks simple, since the
messges don't seem cryptic, but what do I know ...

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment,
Jay




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 To exactly know which library a given command (say foo) needs you can try 
   $ ldd foo
 If you don't find the library referenced ( e.g. library_name) in your 
 system with:
   $ find / library_name) 
 you can locate that library by 
   $ zgrep library_name Contents.gz 
 so you can install the package.
 
 lazaro <salem@rf.no> 
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>When I try to use ftp I get a message "ftp: can't find library 'librl.so.2'"
>I also am not able to find this library any of the places I looked.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help finding this library.
>
>Bob

        Hmmm... I did a 'find / -name librl.so.2' on my system and I found
no such library... weird!  Would you like to double check the library name
again just in case.
One more thing, I did happen to have 'librle.so.1' I don't know if that
helps you or not.

                        Good luck
                                               Mike... 







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 Hi,
 
 > where is local/binary ??
 I _think_ is a local filesystem or directory where you put your 
 any extra package which is not present under the stable|contrib|non-free 
 tree. For example you can put ther 
 a) Your own packages like a custom kernel created out of the kernel-source 
   and made (autoamtically) kernel-image-custom.deb
 b) the ftp'ed partial tree if you don't have the CD
 
 Anybody knows of other use for it?
 
 >I have tried to remove these packages, but upon running either 
 >dselect or dpkg I get something along the lines of "Package is in an 
 >unstable/condititon please re-install before attempting to remove"
 > ......I can't install the pac kage, can't re-install the package, 
 > and dselect/dpgk won't remove it!
              ^^^^^
 
 It happened to me too with dselect when I run out of space in /usr 
 (The size of the packages being selected and the free space on the 
 filesystem would have helped... Ian, Bruce are you listening?). 
 
 In my case, only the front-end "dselect" could not install or remove 
 those "unstable" packages. This however worked for me:
  
 1) Quit dselect
 2) Install the "unstable" packages with "dpkg -i" giving the full path
    something like:
    # dpkg -i /cdrom/stable/binary-i386/devel/kernel-source-2.0.6-0.deb
    That will install the package and update the files dselect needs to
    configure/remove/purge or whatever you want to do next with the
    package within dselect.
 
 >As I do not clearly understand the package system yet, I'm afraid to 
 >simply delete the packages and mess up dpkg's database.  
 
 Don't worry, you're not alone :-). Just read the documentation you find 
 _many_ times untill you get the feeling. "dpkg --help | less" and all the 
 manual pages mentioned in the "fake" dpkg manpage (man -k dpkg can help 
 too). But be patient... the Debian packaging system is a several years 
 project so _it is_ a complicated and _excelent_ system!
 look also at the /var/lib/dpkg/info to learn "by example" what comes with 
 every package. In my case, the package_name.list file for the "unstable" 
 packages in that directory was missing ...and that confused dselect.
 
 Lazaro <salem@rf.no>
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I seem to have a similar problem with dselect/dpkg, but not with the 
dpkg-ftp option (haven't gotten that far yet) 

The dselect package has given me problems from the first. I made a 
few errors in my 1st attempt at the CDRom install, but managed to get 
most of the selected packages unpacked & installed.  Where dselect 
hung was on the kernel-source/kernel-headers packages. (where is 
local/binary ??) 

I have tried to remove these packages, but upon running either 
dselect or dpkg I get something along the lines of "Package is in an 
unstable/condititon please re-install before attempting to remove"

As I do not clearly understand the package system yet, I'm afraid to 
simply delete the packages and mess up dpkg's database.  I can't 
install the package, can't re-install the package, and dselect/dpgk 
won't remove it!

Coming from the SlackWare Distribution, I learned how to compile &
install programs using make, so there was no problem using the code 
to create a kernel & boot floppy, which I now use to bring up the 
system.  There are some problems with this too, but that will wait 
for another time.

Can anyone help?





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Hi jj,
You are lucky! we must be the only Debian Linux users with the same mouse 
and graphic card on this planet :-). From reading your mail it seems you have 
gone all the way through it... Oooops!!! Wait a minute. Try: 

   #  gpm -t 'bm' -m  /dev/inportbm

Remember from the busmouse HOWTO: one thing is the protocol (busmouse) 
and the other the hardware interface or device driver (/dev/inportbm)

For me it worked "out of the box". Well, you already know... after recompiling 
as you did. I have choosen busmouse compiled in, but it should work as a a 
module too.  I prefer to see that the "...mouse is detected"  when running 
dmesg. The only difference between your setup and mine is the interrupt 
which I have on IRQ=5 (I thought it was the default for this mouse!). 
But maybe you don't want that because of conflicts... Anyway, this is just 
to give you some hope: busmouse (inportbm) on IRQ5 + ATI Ultra works fine 
for somebody else.

Just a comment I find useful to minimize the changes when switching mice 
(serial <-> busmouse). I don't use the real device names 
(ttySn or inportbm) but a link to them via: 
# (cd /dev ; ln -sf inportbm mouse) 
or 
# (cd /dev ; ln -sf ttyS0 mouse) 

and start both gmp (look at /etc/init.d/gpm ) and X (look at etc/X11/XF86Config)
by pointing to /dev/mouse. Then only change you need to do when switching mice 
is the protocol: [bm|ms] for gpm and [Busmouse|Microsoft(<-check please)] for X.
e.g. for gpm 
     gpm -t bm   # -m is /dev/mouse is default. 
or
     gpm         # ms is the default and mouse is the default too!
 
Check the sintax on the man page.

Hope it helps!

Lazaro <salem@rf.no>

P.S. Warning to other newcomers and busmice owners: The standard 2.0.6 
kernel in the boot.bin 1996-07-14 disks does not include the module for 
busmice). Under special-kernels/.. many of the 2.0.5 images do support the 
busmice drivers as modules. The Config with whiche they were created is 
there too. For me was easier to recompile :-)

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>Subject: Cannot compile mouse support - help!
>Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
>Date:    08.08.96 15:43
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>  I'm trying to compile mouse support into my kernel (2.0.6), but for the
>life of me I can't get the mouse to function.  I have a busmouse on an
>ATI Graphics Ultra + card (which the HOWTO says is a regular busmouse,
>NOT an ATI busmouse).  When I run MSD under dos, it reports a busmouse
>using IRQ4.  So far, so good.
>
>  When I try to use the mouse (gpm -m /dev/inportbm) I just get the
>message "/dev/inportbm - No such device".  So I tried removing the
>inportbm and recreating it (mknod /dev/inportbm c 10 2); running the
>"file" command on the new inportbm indicates that it is a character
>special (10, 2).  Still no luck - no such device.
>
>
>  I've tried compiling with busmouse support and NO serial support,
>compiling with serial support and NO busmouse support, and compiling
>with both busmouse AND serial support.  In all cases I get "no such device"
>when using /dev/inportbm.  On the two kernels with serial support, the
>gpm -m /dev/ttys0 command does not fail with an error, but it does not
>provide any visible mouse support either.  And I have checked that
>busmouse.h #defines MOUSE_IRQ = 4.  I set both serial and busmouse support
>to be in the kernel, not in modules.
>
>  I've read the busmouse-HOWTO and the FAQ and have not been able to
>solve this problem.  Does anybody have any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?
>The mouse works fine under DOS/Windows, so it shouldn't be a hardware problem.
>
>  Thanks all.
>
>-jj




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What about modifying the options in the file /etc/adduser.conf?
Btw, there is a typo in that file "equivilant" (AFAIR) instead of 
"equivalent" ... does that qualify for a bug Ian? ;-)

Lazaro
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Joey Hess writes ("new to debian; some questions"):
...
> Does debian use the "user groups" system that redhat uses, that makes each
> user be in a group containing only themselves, so the umask can be set to
> 002? I see in /etc/group that each user does get placed in their own
> group. But I see in /etc/profile that the umask is set to 022.. Can I
> change that to 002 safely? 

Yes, you can, but adduser will edit it when it installs people's
.profile's anyway.

Ian.




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Alan wrote:
  >Subject: Installing Linux over a LAN
  >Author:  aspater@vcn.bc.ca at cclink
  >Date:    11.08.96 06:16

The is a nice page about setting a micro-lan in 
     http://www.panix.com/~hypertyp/tcpip/tcpstart.html
The example is given for a mac connected to a Linux box 
have a nice weekend,

 lazaro <salem@rf.no>



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 >When I installed Debian 2 days ago, I was wishing that instead of the 3
 >"base" floppies, it could at least use a .tar.gz file containing
 >the same stuff somewhere on an existing ext2 partition. A small change 
 >(?) like that would make the install a lot easier.
 
 It is possible to do so. you have to make base1_1.tgz accessible (e.g. I 
mounted the fs from the shell at vc #2) before installing the base system.
It is explained in the installation menu. 

long explanation:
I cannot recall it exactly but I think that within DOS (or a working linux) I 
copied/downloaded base1_1.tgz to the root on my DOS fs, began the installation 
process with the Debian boot and root disks, and _before_ installing the base 
system I switched to vc 2, and 

 mkdir /mydos ; mount -t msdos /dev/your_partition_where_you_find_the_tgz /mydos

and switched back to vc 1 whe I choose the "Install the base system" option.
At that stage, the installation script looks for the tgz'ed base under on the 
1st or 2nd level of any fs under / .  If it finds it it wont ask for the 
floppies.
Try it!
Lazaro <salem@rf.no>



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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> For Debian, you can do the installation using the 5 floppies, and then all
> other software can be auto-loaded by "dselect" via FTP. We can do better
> than that, and will in 1.2 if I get time (or a volunteer to work on the
> installation system).

When I installed Debian 2 days ago, I was wishing that instead of the 3
"base" floppies, it could at least use a .tar.gz file containing
the same stuff somewhere on an existing ext2 partition. A small change (?)
like that would make the install a lot easier.

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**On 13 Aug, In article "Suck doesn't download news",
**	CJ (Carl Johnson) writes:
CJ>I have been trying to get suck working and haven't had any luck.
CJ> ...
CJ>I am using the package version 2.6.3-1 from the stable release.

If you use the get-news script, it's because there is a bad bug...

In this script (/usr/sbin/get-news), you must change
the bad put-news path "/usr/bin/put-news" with
the path: "/usr/sbin/put-news".

The bug is closed with the new version (2.6.3-2). This
new version is in the unstable distribution.

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You write:

}Hi,

}if I run man with LANG or LC_MESSAGE=de I won't see any german man-pages. If
}I use export MANPATH=/usr/man/de:`manpath` it works without trouble. Where
}is the problem? Even man -L de dont check for the german files. (Well, I
}dontneed them, but I was curious if it will work :)


}ii  man             2.3.10-11      Display the on-line manual.
}ii  manpages        1.11-4         Section 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9 manpages
}ii  manpages-de     0.1-1          German section 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 manpages
                     ^^^^^
Please get the actual release of it, the documentation contains a
paragraph inspired by Ray Dassen that describes how to activate them.

Regards,

	Joey
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Hi, 
Anybody can help me, please?  I really need to be sure how to fix this.
Logged as root I did: 

# cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds.users * ; ls -laR | more

and noticing that I forgot to change the ownership of the (hidden) dot files
I typed: 

# chown -R lds:users ~/.*

Uchhhh!  the `*' expands to `.' among others. By the time I noticed my two 
mistakes and pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the ownership of /root, 
/home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr.

I saved on a floppy a list (find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds      
users") with $dir set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownerships of /root and 
/home by hand and the I typed  

# shutdown -r now

That was not very clever :-( but I was thinking of fixing everything when having
more time, from an emergency base system I have on a separate 16MB partition.
I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are written at 
boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown tooo! :-( 
Maybe it help to mention that I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and 
swap) on separate partitions.

Right now I know which files have the wrong ownership but do not know what 
should be the right one. I thought of setting the ownership to root:root to the 
files in the list and then fix by hand those who shoud be owned by other system 
group (news, mail,...etc).  I think that then I should proceed by fixing file by
file, i.e., 
0)Fixing those in /var/lib/dpkg (any pointer about how to do it?)
1)removing all installed packages except those flaged as essential (base), 
2)comparing file by file with a fresh Debian 1.1.x base system (I have one).
3)Reinstalling again the packages.

Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
greatly appreciated. A script maybe to do it automatically?'
I am not suscribed to the list right now so please answer this to 
my private e-mail. Thank you very much,

Lazaro <salem@rf.no> 



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Hi Ken,

Yes.. I know that should have made in a different way and yours is one of the 
possibilities (provided that there are not files beginning with two dots like 
/home/lds/..a_weird_name_for a file. I know that under the ksh I could have 
used 
     # cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds:users .[!.]* .??* *) 
to match all files which do not begin with two dots (like ..) AND the files 
which begin with two dots but have more than two characters like ..a 
:-( :-(

But now that I made the mistake I need to fix it! :-)?
I have not done yet, still waiting for suggestions. 
Thanks,

lazaro <salem@rf.no> 
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Subject: Re: Need help to set right ownerships
Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:    21.08.96 02:45


At 12:04 PM 8/20/96 cet, you wrote:
>Hi, 
>Anybody can help me, please?  I really need to be sure how to fix this.
>Logged as root I did: 
>
># cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds.users * ; ls -laR | more
>
>and noticing that I forgot to change the ownership of the (hidden) dot files
>I typed: 
>
># chown -R lds:users ~/.*
>
>Uchhhh!  the `*' expands to `.' among others. By the time I noticed my two 
>mistakes and pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the ownership of /root, 
>/home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr.
>
>I saved on a floppy a list (find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds      
>users") with $dir set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownerships of /root and 
>/home by hand and the I typed  
>
># shutdown -r now
>
>That was not very clever :-( but I was thinking of fixing everything when
having
>more time, from an emergency base system I have on a separate 16MB partition.
>I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are written at 
>boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown tooo! :-( 
>Maybe it help to mention that I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and 
>swap) on separate partitions.
>
>Right now I know which files have the wrong ownership but do not know what 
>should be the right one. I thought of setting the ownership to root:root to
the 
>files in the list and then fix by hand those who shoud be owned by other
system 
>group (news, mail,...etc).  I think that then I should proceed by fixing
file by
>file, i.e., 
>0)Fixing those in /var/lib/dpkg (any pointer about how to do it?)
>1)removing all installed packages except those flaged as essential (base), 
>2)comparing file by file with a fresh Debian 1.1.x base system (I have one).
>3)Reinstalling again the packages.
>
>Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
>greatly appreciated. A script maybe to do it automatically?'
>I am not suscribed to the list right now so please answer this to 
>my private e-mail. Thank you very much,
>
>Lazaro <salem@rf.no> 
>
>
>
>

You should have used chown -R lds:users ./.[a-zA-Z]*
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(reposting looking forward to get some answers)

Hi Debian-users, 

Some files under /var and /usr are normally owned by root:systemgroup 
were the string systemgroup above can be root, staff, adm , mail, news ...etc

Q: Will the bootup break something if the ownership of /var/... are set to 
root:root instead? 

I am asking this because I want to be sure how to fix the following mistake. 
Logged as root I typed,  

# cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds:users * 

and to change the ownership of the (hidden) files beginning with a period under 
/home/lds I typed in the hurry and by mistake: 

# chown -R lds:users ~/.*

Ouch! two errors in one line :-( 
`~' is interpreted as /root and `*' expands to `.' among others like .. which 
the whole system tree. By the time I pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the 
ownership of /root, /home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr to lds:users.
To fix this I first saved a list of the "damaged" files

# find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds      users" >> \ 
> /floppy/fix_me.lst 

where $dir were set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownership of /root and 
/home by hand and then halted the system with 

# shutdown -r now

so I could fix the ownership problem   from an "emergency" Debian 1.1. base 
system I have on a separate 16MB partition.

Specifically I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are 
written at boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown too! :-( 
On the messed up system I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and swap) 
on separate partitions if that info is useful to you.

>From the listing I saved in the file fix_me.lst on the floppy, I know _which_ 
files have the wrong ownership. What I do not know is what was the original 
ownership, although for some of the files I can check the emergency 
minimal base system on the 16MB partition. 

My present idea to fix this problem is:
1) Set the ownership to root:root to all the files listed in /floppy/fix_me.lst 

2) Fix by hand those who should be owned by other system group (like adm,  mail,
news,...etc). Those files present in the base system should not pose any 
problem, as I can just check the clean emergency minimal base system. Or maybe I
am missing something? 

However it is not completely clear to me how to deal with some files which may 
have been created after installing non-base packages. 
Q: May they have had different from root:root ownership too?.

Another possibility would be to:
1') Remove (not purge) all the packages I installed on top of the base
    system. 
2') Fix ownership of included in base files by checking with the minimal base
    system.
3') Reinstall packages

Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for any idea/suggestion/pointer,

Lazaro 
<salem@rf.no> 





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Reposting message with slight modifications as I haven't got any answer yet.
-----
Hi, 

Some files under /var and /usr are normally owned by root:systemgroup 
were the string systemgroup above can be root, staff, adm , mail, news ...etc

Q: Will the bootup break something if the ownership of /var/... are set to 
root:root instead? 

The question is related to a mistake I made. Logged as root I typed,  

# cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds:users * 

and to change the ownership of the (hidden) files beginning with a period under 
/home/lds I typed in the hurry and by mistake: 

# chown -R lds:users ~/.*

Ouch! two errors in one line:  `~' is interpreted as /root and `*' expands to 
`.' among others like .. which 
the whole system tree. By the time I pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the 
ownership of /root, /home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr to lds:users.
To fix this I first saved a list of the "damaged" files

# find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds      users" >> \ 
> /floppy/fix_me.lst 

where $dir were set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownership of /root and 
/home by hand and then halted the system with 

# shutdown -r now

so I could fix the ownership problem   from an "emergency" Debian 1.1. base 
system I have on a separate 16MB partition.

Specifically I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are 
written at boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown too! :-( 
On the messed up system I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and swap) 
on separate partitions if that info is useful to you.

>From the listing I saved in the file fix_me.lst on the floppy, I know _which_ 
files have the wrong ownership. What I do not know is what was the original 
ownership, although for some of the files I can check the emergency 
minimal base system on the 16MB partition. 

My present idea to fix this problem is:
1) Set the ownership to root:root to all the files listed in /floppy/fix_me.lst 

2) Fix by hand those who should be owned by other system group (like adm,  mail,
news,...etc). Those files present in the base system should not pose any 
problem, as I can just check the clean emergency minimal base system. Or maybe I
am missing something? 

However it is not completely clear to me how to deal with some files which may 
have been created after installing non-base packages. 
Q: May they have had different from root:root ownership too?.

Another possibility would be to:
1') Remove (not purge) all the packages I installed on top of the base
    system. 
2') Fix ownership of included in base files by checking with the minimal base
    system.
3') Reinstall packages

Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for any idea/suggestion/pointer,

Lazaro 
<salem@rf.no> 





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 You only need to copy the kernel image to the DOS partition, for example:
 
 cp /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.6 ./dos/vmlinuz
 
 Then when you've booted DOS type (make a batch :-)
 
 loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro 
 
 Or have alook at the loadlin documentation. 
 
 Some tips for "advanced" use of this boot scheme: 
 
 - You may prefer to name the kernel copied to the DOS partition with a 
 more descriptive name, like l960714.std (for the standard kernel image of 
 1996-07-14). This will help when trying different kernels (diff configs or 
 diff just versions or special kernels or...)
 
 - You can copy the kernel to a floppy and boot from the floppy with a 
 minimal DOS config.sys (to save memory LOADLIN needs). 
 
 - You can make a batch file or for DOS > 6.0 use menus in config.sys 
 and/or autoexec.bat to load different kernels or systems with root on 
 different partitions (not your case). 
 
 
 I find this LOADLIN scheme a very flexible one. I find the related DOS 
 applications rdev, pfdisk and ext2tools good companions to this DOS 
 booting scheme. A DOS readln or readkey utility (or BE ASK in NORTON UTIL) 
 is also handy for creating extremely configurable DOS bat files to manage 
 the most complex scenarios you can imagine.
 Misc: This is the only method I found to boot linux on Compaq with PCI on 
 board as linux need to relocates the PCI services through a DOS driver 
 provided by COMPAQ. Syslinux or LILO cannot make linux see the PCI chips 
 (Linus Torvald said). 
 
 Disclaimer: LILO is very good,... this is just an alternative. 
 
 Lazaro 
 <salem@rf.no>
 
 P.S. I could send you a copy of my setup if you want.
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Subject: lilo installation on IDE disk > 500 megabytes
Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:    22.08.96 07:39


    I am trying to install the 7-14-96 debian release on a machine
with over 500 megabytes on an IDE hard disk.  I want to have a DOS
partition and a linux partition.  At present fdisk shows:

>    Device Boot   Begin    Start      End   Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1            1        1      356   179392+   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
> /dev/hda2   *      357      357      966   307440   83  Linux native
> /dev/hda3          967      967      999    16632   82  Linux swap

fdisk also displays a warning:

> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1025.
> This is larger than 1024, and may cause problems with:
> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)

The lilo documentation says:

>Note that large partitions that only partially extend into the "forbidden 
>zone" are still in jeopardy even if they appear to work at first, because 
>the file system does not know about the restrictions and may allocate disk 
>space from the area beyond the 1024th cylinder when installing new kernels. 

Lilo suggests either using LOADLIN or booting from the DOS partition:

> In order to accomplish this, the DOS partition is mounted read-write, a 
> directory (e.g. /dos/linux) is created, all files from /boot are moved to 
> that directory, /boot is replaced by a symbolic link to it, the kernels are 
> also moved to the new directory, their new location is recorded in 
> /etc/lilo.conf, and finally /sbin/lilo is run.

   I tried creating a subdirectory c:\linux in DOS, then from linux:

     mkdir ./dos
     mount /dev/hda1/linux ./dos
     cp /boot ./dos

At this point, I got some warning or error messages.  It looks as though
file names got truncated, and in some cases discarded completely.

>From ls /boot:

>    System.map-2.0.6     chain.b      
>    any_b.b              map          
>    any_d.b		  mbr.b        
>    boot.0302	          os2_d.b      
>    boot.b		  vmlinuz-2.0.6

>From ls ./dos:

>    any_b.b    map       
>    any_d.b	mbr.b     
>    boot.030   os2_d.b   
>    boot.b	system.map
>    chain.b

    I would appreciate some hand-holding at this stage.  Exactly
what commands do I type to carry out the lilo instructions (specifically,
the symbolic link and copying the kernel)?  Or would I be better off
trying loadlin?

    Sorry this has been such a long post.  Thanks for your patience!




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I've submitted these two bugs to debian bugs, and got no
response;  I submitted them again, and still got no response. 
(Has the list address changed recently?)  I could try again, but
then I would have to wait again, and so on, so...  (In
otherwords, sorry for the offtopic.)

------------------------------------
Package: kbd
Version: 0.91-3

The kbd package config utility has a script called kbdconfig which can be
run to configure keyboard mapping and soft fonts.  These settings are used
on boot by a script /etc/rc.boot/0kbd from a config file /etc/kbd/config.

Some of the fonts have multiple sizes (972.cp for example).  When such a
font is selected, it is necessary to select which size is desired, for
example (setfont /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts/972.cp -16) would specify size
16.

When such a font is selected by kbdconfig, no mechanism is provided to set
the font size in the boot script, so the font is not loaded.

# setfont /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts/972.cp
This file contains 3 fonts: 8x8, 8x14 and 8x16. Please indicate
using an option -8 or -14 or -16 which one you want loaded.
#

I am using kernel 2.0.0, Debian 1.1 (unstable tree circa Jun 22 1996), and
libc5.2.18-8 and libc4.6.27-15.

----------------
I have made changes to the /usr/sbin/kbdconfig script to poll the user for
the font size if it is needed (and to save it in the config file), and to
ask the user if they want to enable the configuration when the script
completes.

I have also changed the /etc/rc.boot/0kbd file to use the font size value.

These are the patches ... I'm not familiar enough with diff/patch to give a
full-directory patch of the changes, so I am diff'ing them seperately.


----------> /etc/rc.boot/0kbd

--- 0kbd.old	Tue Jun 25 23:44:33 1996
+++ 0kbd.new	Tue Jun 25 23:44:11 1996
@@ -16,6 +16,7 @@
 	TERM=linux
 	KEYMAP=""
 	SOFTFONT=""
+	SIZE=""
 fi
 
 echo "Console setup:"
@@ -35,5 +36,5 @@
 if [ -n "$SOFTFONT" -a "$SOFTFONT" != "NONE" ]
 then
 	echo -n " "
-	setfont $SOFTFONT
+	setfont $SOFTFONT $SIZE
 fi


---------> /usr/sbin/kbconfig

--- kbdconfig.old	Tue Jun 25 23:45:22 1996
+++ kbdconfig.new	Wed Jun 26 00:00:50 1996
@@ -88,24 +88,101 @@
 	fi
 fi
 
+
+while [ x$fontok != xyes ]
+do
+
 cat << EOT
 
 Please choose one of the following display fonts for the VT devices:
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 EOT
-(cd $LIBDIR/consolefonts; ls -x)
+	(cd $LIBDIR/consolefonts; ls -x)
+
+	echo -e "\nOr answer NONE to skip the loading of a consolefont."
+	echo -n "What consolefont to load? [$SOFTFONT] "; read softfont
+	if [ -z "$softfont" ]
+	then
+		if [ -n "$SOFTFONT" ]
+		then
+			softfont=$SOFTFONT
+		else
+			softfont=NONE
+		fi
+	fi
+
+# NOTE: We have no way of detecting whether the font makes the screen
+# unreadable or correctly loads;  I know of no way to test if the 
+# font requires a size parameter except to test the program for
+# failure, so we must test for existence of font. -- KMB
 
-echo -e "\nOr answer NONE to skip the loading of a consolefont."
-echo -n "What consolefont to load? [$SOFTFONT] "; read softfont
-if [ -z "$softfont" ]
-then
-	if [ -n "$SOFTFONT" ]
+	bname=$LIBDIR/consolefonts/$softfont
+
+	# Add a default ending if necessary
+
+	[ ! -e $bname -a -e $bname.cp ] && softfont=$softfont.cp
+	[ ! -e $bname -a -e $bname.psf ] && softfont=$softfont.psf
+	
+	if [ ! -e $LIBDIR/consolefonts/$softfont ]
+	then
+		if [ $softfont != NONE ]
+ 		then
+			echo
+			echo Font $softfont not found, setting to NONE.
+			softfont=NONE
+		fi
+	fi
+
+	if [ $softfont != NONE ]
 	then
-		softfont=$SOFTFONT
+		echo ; echo Testing font ... ; echo
+		sleep 2
+		setfont $softfont || SIZE=err
+
+		if [ $SIZE != err ]
+		then
+			sleep 5
+			setfont &> /dev/null
+			echo
+			echo If that font is unacceptable, please
+			echo rerun this script \($0\).
+		fi
 	else
-		softfont=NONE
+		SIZE=NONE
 	fi
-fi
+
+	if [ $SIZE = err ]
+	then
+		echo
+		echo -n "Please enter the font size: "
+		read SIZE
+		if [ $SIZE != NONE ]
+		then
+			echo $SIZE | grep "-" &> /dev/null || SIZE=-$SIZE
+		fi
+
+		echo ; echo Testing font ... ; echo
+		sleep 2
+		setfont $softfont $SIZE || SIZE=err
+
+		if [ $SIZE != err ]
+		then
+			sleep 5
+			setfont &> /dev/null
+			echo
+			echo If that font \(or size\) is unacceptable,
+			echo please rerun this script \($0\).
+		fi
+		
+	fi
+
+	echo
+
+	if [ $SIZE != err ]
+	then
+		fontok=yes
+	fi
+done;
 
 # ##### NOT YET ... #####
 #if [ -n "$advanced_flag"  ]
@@ -117,12 +194,27 @@
 #	echo -n "Should the METABIT flag be set by default [$METABIT]: "; read numlock
 #fi
 
+[ $SIZE = NONE ] && unset SIZE
+
 echo -n  "Generating $CONFFILE... "
 cat > $CONFFILE << EOT
 CONSOLE=$consdev
 TERM=$termtyp
 KEYMAP=$keymap
 SOFTFONT=$softfont
+SIZE=$SIZE
 EOT
 echo "done."
+
+echo
+echo The settings have been saved and will be used automatically
+echo the next time the system boots.  If you want, I can enable 
+echo these settings now.
+echo
+echo -n "Do you want to enable these settings now? [y/N] "
+read immediate
+[ $immediate = y ] || [ $immediate = Y ] || [ $immediate = yes ] \
+	&& echo ; echo Okay, enabling ... ; echo ; /etc/rc.boot/0kbd
+echo
+
 exit 0


-------------------------------

(Obviously change this in any way you want, all rights
UN-reserved ;)

The only thing I don't like about these changes is that kbdconfig runs
setfont to determine if the font needs a size specified.  I don't know if
this could cause problems or not (ie on old vga/ega/cga/mga/hgc whatever),
but:

1) I don't see this as -introducing- a problem, since it only does it if you
specify a font, in which case that font would load on next boot anyway.

2) It does restore a hopefully readable default font after allowing the font
to be viewed, thus guarding against an (is this a possibility?) unviewable
font from being configured and going unnoticed.

In other words, it looks like a feature to me.

__kmb203@psu.edu_________________________Debian__1.1___Linux__2.0.0___
"The C Programming Language -- a language that combines all the elegance and
power of assembly language with all the readability and maintainability of
assembly language."  (version 2.0 of this signature, thanks Pete :)


Package: modules
Version: 2.0.0-2

The modules packages contains a file /sbin/request-route.  This is run by
the kernel to create routes as needed.

The script's comments suggest is it very configurable, and I usually
configure it heavily .. however it is written over whenever I install a new
version of the package it is in (dpkg -S shows it as modules).

I propose this file be a conffile, and that the user be prompted to replace
it or not.

__kmb203@psu.edu_________________________Debian__1.1___Linux__2.0.0___
Tact: ability to portray poor qualities in a positive way.  E.g. referring
to "tact" as an ability or skill. (see also politeness; contrast honesty)

--------------------------

While these are a little old, I have checked and both situations
seem to be the same as they were..

Thanks.

__kmb203@psu.edu_______________Debian/GNU__1.1___Linux__2.0.12___
We believe that after death comes The Nothing because when you
ask the dead what happens they say Nothing.  If death is not the
end, if the dead have lied, then it's compulsory heaven for all
excepting perhaps Hitler, Stalin and Genghis Kahn.
				-- Steve Turner, "Creed"



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  Folks,

  I am setting up a new debian 1.1  box. 

  On booting:

> 
> 	[...]
> 	Started kswap v 1.4.2.2
> 	FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306
> 	NCR53c406a: no available ports found
> 	PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 2
> 	scsi: 0 hosts
> 	scsi: detected total
> 	lance.c: PCI bios is present, cheking for device


  which leads to the hard disk not being recongised. We can not proceed
  with any installation.

  From our Windows95 system setup I get:
 
> 	Hard Disk: FUJITSU M2934S-512
> 	Hard Disk Controllers: Intel PIIX Bus Mastering PCI IDE controller
> 			Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
> 			Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
> 			Standard IDE/ESDI HD controller
> 	SCSI controllers: PCI NCR C815 SCSI Host Adapter
> 


  So we need a kernel that supports NCR53c815, do we? Is such a
  kernel awailable from a development version? I have seen the
  discussion in June 1996 on the list about NCR53c6x and I think
  I could use the advice  given there to change the kernel on 
  the boot disk, but I do not know where to get the kernel from
  that would support the controler. 

  Cheers,


  Thomas Krichel                               mailto:T.Krichel@surrey.ac.uk
                                             http://gretel.econ.surrey.ac.uk


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Yes Dave, 
You can have Debian Linux on your compaq. This is from a previous posting I 
sent to this list:
>I find this LOADLIN scheme a very flexible one. I find the related DOS 
> applications rdev, pfdisk and ext2tools good companions to this DOS 
> booting scheme. A DOS readln or readkey utility (or BE ASK in NORTON 
>UTIL) 
> is also handy for creating extremely configurable DOS bat files to manage 
> the most complex scenarios you can imagine.
> Misc: This is the only method I found to boot linux on Compaq with PCI on 
> board as linux need to relocates the PCI services through a DOS driver 
> provided by COMPAQ. Syslinux or LILO cannot make linux see the PCI chips 
> (Linus Torvald said). 
> 
> Disclaimer: LILO is very good,... this is just an alternative. 
>
> Lazaro 
> <salem@rf.no>

This is what you have to try:

1) Get the Software package sp116.zip provided by Compaq (at www.compaq.org?). 
   Run sp116.exe contained in it to extract MOVEPCI.SYS and MOVEPCI.DOC. 
   Read that documentation. If it suits your machine (it works for my Deskpro
   590 and reported to work with Deskpro XL both compaq boxes with PCI on board)
   keep reading. Otherwise get more info from COMPAQ and come back later to
   point 3.
2) Now that the driver lets linux recognize the PCI on board, you need to
   replace the SYSLINUX method of for booting. A good alternative is the DOS 
   executable LOADLIN. Once you get it:  
   Make a DOS boot floppy with DEVICE=MOVEPCI.SYS as  the first line in
   CONFIG.SYS. Then you can load Linux with loadlin from DOS from config itself 
   with a SHELL=LOADLIN ...... or from AUTOEXEC.BAT Or from the DOS command
   line. 
   If everything went smooth to this point, you shall see that Linux detects
   the PCI chips on board during bootup.

You may also want to make a customized Debian-type boot disk by: 
a)copying everything except syslinux in the Debian standard 1996-07-14 boot disk
(you don't need a special kernel) onto a _DOS_bootable_ disk; b)preppending 
DEVICE=MOVEPCI.SYS to the config.sys; and c) copying the LOADLIN stuff. I find 
adding some menuing DOS utilities and a small editor very handy to fix things on
the road in case I need it.

And that's all! just a pity XFree86 doesn't support the Compaq graphic cards. 
But you can try (10'minutes working demo) the X server from ftp.xinside.com to 
test X applications on the Debian linux box. Just keep track of the files  
installed as I had some problems with the scripts provided. 

If you get stucked or find this guide too brief to make ANY sense out of it :-) 
just write me privately for more details (I have written something about 
this.... where is it?) 

Also, have a look at  a related WEB page:
<a href="http://www-c724.uibk.ac.at/liedl.html">Klaus Liedl</a>,<a 
href="mailto:Klaus.Liedl@uibk.ac.at"> Klaus.Liedl@uibk.ac.at</a></i></h4>
<i>Page last modified: Mon Oct  9 10:41:10 MET 1995</i><p>

This kind soul used to mantain a page related to the deskpro XL. I find the info
very useful from fixing Linux on my Deskpro 590 with a PCI Net card on board.
cheers, 
lazaro <salem@rf.no>

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Subject: Debian on a Compaq Prosignia 4/66
Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:    23.08.96 21:55


We were just given a Compaq Prosignia 4/66 with 40 MB RAM and a 1.05 GB
SCSI drive to user as a DB Server.  Our preference is to run it under
Linux.  However, it has a built-in SCSI controller.  So far we have
tried
Debian 1.1, 1.1.6, and all of the Debial 2.0.5 alternate boot disks with
no luck in detecting and working with the SCSI controller...

DOS does work on the system as did Novell 3.12.  The system arrived
without
documentation.  So far the email to Compaq asking for the SCSI
controller
equivalent has not been answered.

Any suggestions?  

TIA,

Dave




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 Please, don't threat with the microstuffit :-)
 Concerning your not very specific question here is my rule of Thumb: 
 No matter how large your HD is you will end up filling it. 
 
 seriously, you may want look at the Debian FAQ revamped recently (great 
 job!) under any debian mirror in /doc/FAQ/ or in 
 http://sgk.phast.umass.edu/FAQ/debian-faq.html

 Shortly, Yes. You can have more that a reasonable Debian installation 
 with X and TeX and Emacs and "reasonable" space for home directories 
 within 120MB + swap. 
lazaro <salem@rf.no>

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Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:    29.08.96 10:41


can anyone advise a new debian user on a scenario in which a useable
system can be installed on a 120 meg hard drive with a 20 meg swap
on another disk? If I can't use it for much then it seems that I would 
be better off going back to microstuffit- not all bad but........
thanks 1&all    Mike List




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On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Chris Westwood wrote:

[SNIP]
> *** Excerpt from .bash_profile ***
> 
> # set up color-ls
> LS_COLORS='di=1;34:bd=40;33;1:ln=1;36:cd=40;33;1:ex=1;32:*.tar=1;31:*.tgz=1;31:*.gz=1;31:'
> export LS_COLORS;
> LS_OPTIONS='--8bit --color=tty -F';
> export LS_OPTIONS;
> alias ls='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS ';
> alias dir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=vertical';
> alias vdir='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS --format=long';
> alias d=dir;
> alias v=vdir;

Hi.  If the above works on your system, then you are running fileutils-3.12
and my color-ls package which is obsolete as of fileutils-3.13.  When you do
upgrade to fileutils-3.13, you will need to do something different along the
lines of my previous posting.

Anyway, I'm glad you have it working.

Syrus.

----------------------------------------------------------
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.


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Hi again..

In my never-ending battle to make the kernel behave well by default without
needing "irqtune" (which is very setup-specific, and as such not something
the kernel can do automatically), I was thinking of doing interrupt priority
rotations instead of the current fixed mode. 

Now, doing a rotating interrupt priority means that the priorities
essentially go away completely, which is not the optimal solution (having
high serial line priorities is good, no question about it). However, while
not exactly optimal, it _is_ a fair solution, and likely to be better than
what we currently have. 

Rotating priorities should also work reasonably well for multiple serial
interrupt sources, which irqtune doesn't really handle (depending on what the
interrupt numbers are, irqtune can work well, though). Also, unlike irqtune,
there shouldn't be any unfairness toward other devices so it should work well
under wildly different circumstances. 

In short, rotating priorities are a reasonable thing to do by default, 
and I'd like people who have been trying out "irqtune" (and who actually 
see some differences with it) to try out this very simple patch.. How 
does this work for you?

(This is actually how Linux/alpha has been handling interrupts from the very
beginning)

		Linus

-----
--- v2.0.16/linux/include/asm-i386/irq.h	Thu Aug 29 19:15:14 1996
+++ linux/include/asm-i386/irq.h	Sun Sep  1 10:53:04 1996
@@ -90,7 +90,7 @@
 	"outb %al,$0x21\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x60+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0xE0+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0x20\n\t"
 
 #define ACK_SECOND(mask,nr) \
@@ -102,11 +102,11 @@
 	"outb %al,$0xA1\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x60+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0xE0+"#nr",%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0xA0\n\t" \
 	"jmp 1f\n" \
 	"1:\tjmp 1f\n" \
-	"1:\tmovb $0x62,%al\n\t" \
+	"1:\tmovb $0xE2,%al\n\t" \
 	"outb %al,$0x20\n\t"
 
 #define UNBLK_FIRST(mask) \


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Martin Dinkloh writes ("dselect 1.3.9: cursor keys locked after search"):
> In dselect 1.3.9 the cursor keys do not work anymore after having done a 
> search (with '/').

This is a known bug in ncurses, recorded as #4298, #2962 and #3974.

Ian.


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Thanks everybody I didn't have the crt*.o in my lib directory. It should
be in the libc-dev*.deb right?

Also another question how do I swich ELF compile to a.out compile? I've
seen it in the documentation but I thought since I have *.deb it was by
default ELF. 

Thanks again.


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In article <32251911.2BE04656@et.byu.edu> you write:

> XFree86 3.1.2F is out, according to http://www.xfree86.org.  I am
> wondering if a Debian package of this beta software will be made
> available.  Anyone have any plans to make this available???

I do not intend to package any versions of XFree86 other than released
versions - i.e. versions for which source is publically available. I
believe the next proper release of XFree86 will occur in the next
couple of months, but see www.xfree86.org for a better estimate.

People who need the functionality in the beta servers should install
the new server binary and modify /etc/X11/Xserver to point to the
appropriate place.

People who need the functionality in the rest of the XFree86 beta will
have to install it themselves. It will probably be easiest for you to
remove your existing Debian X installation (using the --force-depends
option in dpkg wherever necessary), and then when the next set of
Debian X packages are released remove the XFree86 beta and install the
packages.

The X packages are fairly similar to the 'plain' version of
XFree86. There are a couple of security fixes applied to the binaries,
but the major change is the movement of configuration files from
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11 to /etc/X11 in order to comply with the filesystem
standard. This is currently accomplished by putting symlinks in
appropriate places in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11, rather than modifying the
compiled-in paths.

Steve Early
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Haakan Ardoe writes ("Source Packages"):
> how does the source packages work? If I understand everyting right I am 
> supposed to unpack them with dpkg-source -x <file>.dsc. But then I need the
> <file>.dsc file, which not seems to be included in any of the availble
> source packages. Where can I find or generate them?

We're still phasing in the new source packages.  If there is no .dsc
and .orig.tar.gz you have to just unpack the .tar.gz (and not apply
the .diff.gz).

Ian.


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Sebastian Kuzminsky writes ("inconsistency/confusion in aout-svgalib of Debian 1.1"):
>    I'm not sure this is the right place to send this bug report...
> 
>    There's an inconsistency in Debian 1.1.  When the aout-svgalib
> package is installed, it puts the libary files in
> /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib, but ld.so is not configured to look there for
> libraries, so the aout svgalibs are unusable.
> 
> 
>    There seem to be two simple ways to fix the problem:
> 
>    *  a one-line addition to /etc/ld.so.conf
>    *  installing the libraries etc in /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout instead
> 
> 
>    I'm not sure which way is The One True Way.

I thought that libc4 was responsible for adding the entry to
ld.so.conf.

Ian.


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Stoyan Kenderov writes ("/dev/audio & /dev/dsp  Device or resource busy ???"):
...
> The sparing comments in the source point to an IRQ or DMA conflict when one
> gets constant "Device or Resource busy" mesages on each:
> 
> cat blabla.au > /dev/audio    or
> cat uuhuu.wav > /dev/dsp

Have you installed `nas' (the `network audio system') ?  It takes over
your sound hardware permanently.  If you have then deinstall it.

Ian.


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In article <199608312057.AA14525@or4.me.uiuc.edu>,
Bhaskar Manda  <bhaskar@or4.me.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> 
>My disk controller seems to be wanting to be "reset", but the
>Debian install boot doesn't do this. As a consequence, it just
>keeps repeating
>   hda: hda: Status error: status=0x01 { Error }
>   hda: Status error: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
>   hda: Drive not ready for command.

Oh - oh. This indicates a hardware problem. Either you have a conflict
on the bus, or your harddisk is dying.

>The Slackware install boot on the other hand, does the following.
>
>     hda: hda: Status error: status=0x01 { Error }
>   hda: Status error: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
>   hda: Drive not ready for command.
>        [.. this error msg is repeated thrice.. ]
>   ide0: reset success
>   hda1 hda2 hda3
>   VFS: Insert root floppy disk to be loaded into ramdisk and press ENTER.

Slackware probably uses an 1.2.13 kernel, while Debian uses 2.0.6. I've
noticed that in some respects the 2.0.x kernel is less forgiving, alas.

>I guess no Debian for me for now.

Shame :) Anyway I would really check your hardware. I would be _really_
scared if I saw that on my screen. If you keep seeing this message you
will experience massive data loss and your system might even get unbootable
(which isn't too strange when your harddisk's dead).

Mike.
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Thanks 

to everybody who answered my questions regarding the non-working 
/dev/audio, dev/dsp on my SB16 under linux-2.0.15 .

It proved indeed to be "Device or resource busy"!
NAS was to blame...and me of course!

I found it out, after having recompiled and rebooted the kernel tausend
times. Finally I overcommed my tire and examined the kernel boot and daemon 
log messages and see, there it was..."NAS starting...".

I updated Debian recently and have unwillingly marked NAS for installation, 
without first asking myself whether I need the raw /dev/audio and
/dev/dsp.


Thanks Ian, your suggestion would have brought me to the point
15 minutes earlier, but I was not on the Net at that time :-) . Thanks
anyway!

> Stoyan Kenderov writes ("/dev/audio & /dev/dsp  Device or resource busy ???"):
> ...
> > The sparing comments in the source point to an IRQ or DMA conflict when one
> > gets constant "Device or Resource busy" mesages on each:
> > 
> > cat blabla.au > /dev/audio    or
> > cat uuhuu.wav > /dev/dsp
> 
> Have you installed `nas' (the `network audio system') ?  It takes over
> your sound hardware permanently.  If you have then deinstall it.
> 
> Ian.
> 

regards,
    Stoyan

PS: It's really very relaxing to know that such a great list stands behind
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Is there any way to incorporate the experimental's Packages file into
DSelect (preferably through dpkg-ftp)?

It keeps looking for experimental/binary-i386/Packages file, and I want it
to look for experimetal/Packages file..........is there a way?


Thanks in advance,
Tristan McCann
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Just a user problem I'm sure but when I go to use the make command I get:

make: makeinfo: Command not found
make: ******** Error 127

What am I doing wrong?

Using gcc-2.7.2 and make-3.74.

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Hi Marcus --

You asked:
> Thanks everybody I didn't have the crt*.o in my lib directory. It should
> be in the libc-dev*.deb right?
No, it should be in /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib.
You can see what directory a file will be installed into by looking at
the Contents file associated with the distribution you got.  For example,
if you got the buzz-fixed distribution, then you could use

zgrep crt0.o buzz-fixed/Contents.gz

to see that the crt0.o file is installed in /usr/i486-linuxaout/lib.


> Also another question how do I swich ELF compile to a.out compile? 

>From the FAQ:
To compile programs in the a.out binary format, 
install the Debian a.out developer's packages, which are 
        libc4-dev 
        aout-binutils 
        aout-librl 
        aout-gcc 
place the a.out tools ahead of the ELF tools in your path. That is, 
execute the command
        export PATH=/usr/i486-linuxaout/bin:$PATH 
(This isn't essential, just advantageous.) If you're only going to do 
this once, you could execute:
        PATH=/usr/i486-linuxaout/bin:$PATH make [target]. 

To execute a.out X clients, install the xcompat package. 

(As a result of your question, I reorganized the FAQ that dealt with this
so folks would see the answer more easily.)


HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Folks,


These ideas are being posted here from net news per request.
Response is desired (even if it's not Debian priority)

1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing
what is left into subdirectories.

A reasonable setup would be:

/usr/lib/elf  -- elf shared libs
/usr/lib/aout -- a.out shared libs
/usr/lib/elf/static -- for static elf libs
/usr/lib/aout/static -- for static a.out libs

Other development packages could retain their own /usr/lib
subdirectories or more preferably build mini etc lib bin trees in
/usr/<package name>, /ap/<package name>, /usr/X11R6/<X package name>
directory. Such as:

/usr/lib/elf/SVGA

or

/usr/SVGA/lib

Things like /usr/lib/perl, /usr/lib/terminfo, etc. need to be moved back
to /usr or /ap were it makes more sense.

What are the advantages this?

If someone chooses not to install development type packages then their
lib directories are not cluttered with libraries that make the directory
long and unmanagable.

It great reduces confusion on the part of users and possibly developer
as to what libraries are where.

2) Figuring out whether /usr/local is really being used properly (which
in my reading of FSSTND it isn't)
If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it shouldn't be in
/usr. /usr would typically be read-only mounted to a server in the cases
where /usr/local would be used. You cannot mount on read-only
partitions.
The person maintaining the system would just end up making /usr/local a
symbolic link.

On a debian system I am looking at has a /usr/local/lib/emacs which I
consider to be stranded. The system is not a complete installation so
there is no telling what other things are placed in /usr/local.

A reasonable solution to this is to move /usr/local to /

I would create 2 directories in /local:

/local/bin
/local/etc

/local/bin would be placed in the path and would represent binaries that
would search before /usr/bin for binaries.
/local/etc would be configuration files typically found /etc. The person
maintaining the server would put symbolic links into /local/etc in /etc
if they need it to be a local configuration.

3) Server and client installation distinctions. Possible avenue for easy 
minimal setup of X clients.

A person installing a Linux system should have the option of choosing
where they want the local machine to be the server or use a remote
server. There are still people out there who want to make use of machine
with 4 megs of ram. Running an X client on a 386 with 4 megs of ram and
a resonable video arrangement is not a bad thing and may be cost
effective in some environments.

4) Allowing controls of how many X sessions can be lauched would be
reasonable as well. X has the seemingly unknown feature of running
numerous client/servers. By adding :1, :2, etc as server arguments, you
can launch multiple X session possible on different servers from the
same console. This is extremely powerful to say the least.
It would be a bonus to be able to have a system admin control how many X
sessions are being launched at one console. This would require a small
adjustment in startx. In addition, it should not be required that the
user keep track of :1, :2, :3. This is another adjustment that would be
made in startx.


5) If a startup shell script for window managers should also be easy to
add.

I think that the user should have the possibility of specifying the
window manager at the startx prompt such as:

     startx fvwm
     startx openwin
     startx fvwm-95

And have resonable assurances that it will work.
An additional bonus to this would be allowing root to setup a simple
table to map the names to various shell scripts that would start the
window managers. This would allow for practically all contingencies and
complexities in getting that window manager started. This would also
allow the package maintainer to move the main window manager binaries
out of the path and out of harms way.

6) The wisdom of put the contents of /etc/X11/xdm and /etc/X11/xinit
where they are needs to be re-evaluated.
Most of the files in these directories are shell scripts not
configuration files.

7) The configuration programs for /etc/printcap and the user maintaince
utilities from Redhat need to be lifted :)


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Dear all,

I have noticed a small oddity with my addressing in sendmail. All seemed to
work really well with pop clients connecting to my Debian 1.1 box, but if I
use elm or plain mail my From: line is not correct. I (think I) have set up
sendmail to masquerade as avondel.xs4all.nl. My .mc file looks like this:


        divert(0)
        VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc	8.7 (Linux) 3/5/96')
        OSTYPE(debian)dnl
        FEATURE(nocanonify)dnl
        FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
        FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl
        FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl
        FEATURE(nodns)dnl
        define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `1d')dnl
        MAILER(local)dnl
        MAILER(smtp)dnl
        Cwavondel.xs4all.nl
        MASQUERADE_AS(avondel.xs4all.nl)dnl
        ## Custom configurations below (will be preserved)
        MAILER(uucp)dnl
        define(`UUCP_MAX_SIZE', 0)
        define(`SMART_HOST', uucp-dom:xs4all)

And if I send mail from root using elm, the header comes out like:
        
        X-POP3-Rcpt: eme@nlauc01
        Return-Path: sun4nl!souterrain.avondel!root
        Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (root@localhost) by nlauc01.ncm.nl
(8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP         id QAA18505 for ncm.nl!eme; Sun, 1 Sep 1996
16:12:37 +0200
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by         magigimmix.xs4all.nl (8.7.5/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id QAA25876 for
<eme@ncm.nl>; Sun, 1 Sep         1996 16:13:36 +0200 (MET DST)
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eme@ncm.nl; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:03:01 +0200 (MET DST)
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id OAA11142 for         eme@ncm.nl; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:03:08 +0200
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Both the From: line and the Return-Path: are incorrect. That is, my
linux-box is indeed called souterrain and my local domain is avondel, but I
would like to masquerade as avondel.xs4all.nl

Any hints are greatly appreciated!

Erik van der Meulen
eme@ncm.nl

  Erik van der Meulen

  e: erik@avondel.xs4all.nl  p: +31 20 685 1618  f: +31 20 689 6569


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Ian Jackson wrote:

> Stoyan Kenderov writes ("/dev/audio & /dev/dsp  Device or resource busy
???"):
> ...
>> The sparing comments in the source point to an IRQ or DMA conflict when one
>> gets constant "Device or Resource busy" mesages on each:
>> 
>> cat blabla.au > /dev/audio    or
>> cat uuhuu.wav > /dev/dsp
>
> Have you installed `nas' (the `network audio system') ?  It takes over
> your sound hardware permanently.  If you have then deinstall it.
>
> Ian.

I've read Stoyan's reply, so I know that this fixed the problem.
However, I don't think you need to uninstall NAS. Besides, you'll need
it to run NAS-aware programs. Surely you can simply say:

   /etc/init.d/nas stop

or whatever the name is (don't have access to the machine right now).
Stoyan, I suggest you reinstall NAS and try this.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Erik van der Meulen wrote :
> And if I send mail from root using elm, the header comes out like:

root and/or postmaster are TRUSTED users.
So the masquerade doesn't apply to this users, and all users defined
in the trusted-user file.

In the sendmail.cf :

# class L: names that should be delivered locally, even if we have a relay
# class E: names that should be exposed as from this host, even if we
# masquerade
# class M: domains that should be converted to $M
#CL root
CE root

In the doc :

op.txt:      trusted users from a file use Ft/file/name.

and :

confCT_FILE             Ft class        [/etc/sendmail.ct] Name of file used
                                        to get the local additions to the $=t
                                        (trusted users) class.
confTRUSTED_USERS       Ct class        [no default] Names of users to add to
                                        the list of trusted users.  This list
                                        always includes root, uucp, and daemon.
                                        See also FEATURE(use_ct_file).



So don't post from root :)
But in the aliases file add :
root:	<real user>


-- 
François Ranchin
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
	Arthur C. Clarke, The Lost Worlds of 2001


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Hi all

I am trying to configure an ethernet card 3Com09 in a linux machine.
I already set up the IP adress and so on... during boot I got the 
following error messages:

SIOCSIFADDR: no such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: no such device
SIOCSIFBRDADDR: no such device
route: netmask doesn't match route adress

could anyone tell me what does this means? 

thanks in advance

miguel




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In article <Pine.3.03.9608312350.B3849-a100000@sdss>,
Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu> wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Chris Westwood wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>> *** Excerpt from .bash_profile ***
>> 
[SNIP SNIP]

>Hi.  If the above works on your system, then you are running fileutils-3.12
>and my color-ls package which is obsolete as of fileutils-3.13.  When you do
>upgrade to fileutils-3.13, you will need to do something different along the
>lines of my previous posting.
>
>Anyway, I'm glad you have it working.
>
>Syrus.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Syrus Nemat-Nasser <syrus@ucsd.edu>    UCSD Physics Dept.
>

Hi Syrus,

Yes, I just checked with dpkg and it reports fileutils 3.12-4, so that
explains that. The latest version you mentioned (3.13) doesn't appear to be
on the Debian ftp mirror I'm using, so I'll hang fire for a while. Right
now everything's working great, so if it ain't broke... but I've filed your
messages for when I do eventually upgrade.

Many thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Chris




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1. The package "taper" recommends ftape. No such package is available
in debian. Is it needed?

2. A lot of packages (e.g. magicfilter) recommend pbmlus which isn't
available as a debian package too.

Doesn't it make sense to add those two packages to debian?

======================================================================
Hubert Palme         Bergische Universitaet-Gesamthochschule Wuppertal
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The current implementation of postgres95 for Debian requires 
libbsd.so.1.0.0, but the libc5 package includes only libbsd.a.
(How) can I make libbsd.so.1.0.0 from the .a file?
(Sorry to be asking what I imagine is such a naive question.)

Thanks in advance,
Susan Kleinmann


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Forwarded message:
>From mtorr  Mon Sep  2 09:20:21 1996
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Does anyone know how to set up environment variables
with xdm? The displayManager*exportList resource does
not seem to work.
Thanx... :-)


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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Hubert Palme wrote:

> 1. The package "taper" recommends ftape. No such package is available
> in debian. Is it needed?

Both of these packages are obsolete.  The ftape utility was integrated
into the kernel a long time ago.

> 2. A lot of packages (e.g. magicfilter) recommend pbmlus which isn't
> available as a debian package too.

pbmplus was replaced by netpbm.


Guy


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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Hubert Palme wrote:
> 
> > 1. The package "taper" recommends ftape. No such package is available
> > in debian. Is it needed?
> 
> Both of these packages are obsolete.  The ftape utility was integrated
> into the kernel a long time ago.

I taper no longer supported or is there an updated package
that includes it?  I kind of liked it.

> 
> > 2. A lot of packages (e.g. magicfilter) recommend pbmlus which isn't
> > available as a debian package too.
> 
> pbmplus was replaced by netpbm.
> 
> 
> Guy
> 

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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  Richard>  I taper no longer supported or is there an updated package that
  Richard> includes it?  I kind of liked it.

It is orphaned. If you really like taper, you could maintain it. There have
been new upstream releases. :-)

As for tape backups, we have "tob" which most people who tried it seem to
be rather happy with, your's truly included. 

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Glenn Bily writes:
-> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing
-> what is left into subdirectories.

This has a number of problems, namely:
1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to
   happen on other systems.  Too much work for too little gain.
2) violates the FSSTND
3) violates what most experienced UNIX users would expect

-> Other development packages could retain their own /usr/lib
-> subdirectories or more preferably build mini etc lib bin trees in
-> /usr/<package name>, /ap/<package name>, /usr/X11R6/<X package name>
-> directory. Such as:

I'm sure you mean /opt, not /ap :). /opt/<package>, if a program uses
it, gets all the config files for that package installed under it.
It's a SysV.4 thing, but a draft exists for using it under Linux.

-> Things like /usr/lib/perl, /usr/lib/terminfo, etc. need to be moved back
-> to /usr or /ap were it makes more sense.

Except for the fact that this is nonstandard and likely to make it
harder for people to go out, get a package, and compile it and drop it
in, since it makes Linux non-compatible with every other UNIX system
in existence.

-> What are the advantages this?
-> 
-> If someone chooses not to install development type packages then their
-> lib directories are not cluttered with libraries that make the directory
-> long and unmanagable.

One person's long and unmanagable is another's easy-to-find :)
Besides, how is the dynamic loader supposed to find shared libs if we
scatter them all over creation?

-> It great reduces confusion on the part of users and possibly developer
-> as to what libraries are where.

Only people who have never used any other UNIX system.  I'm willing to
bet that most linux users either already have some UNIX experience or
are trying to become familiar with UNIX.  No need to confuse people by
being rather gratuitously different from other UNIXes.

-> 2) Figuring out whether /usr/local is really being used properly (which
-> in my reading of FSSTND it isn't)
-> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it shouldn't be in
-> /usr. /usr would typically be read-only mounted to a server in the cases
-> where /usr/local would be used. You cannot mount on read-only
-> partitions.

I think you're misunderstanding here... /usr/local is for local use.
In other words, /usr/local is where you put all the programs that you
download and compile yourself.  They should probably be using config
files in /etc and runtime files in /var if necessary.  "local
configuration" just means that it's up to the machine's sysadmin as to
how they want to set up and use /usr/local.

-> 5) If a startup shell script for window managers should also be easy to
-> add.
-> 
-> I think that the user should have the possibility of specifying the
-> window manager at the startx prompt such as:
-> 
->      startx fvwm
->      startx openwin
->      startx fvwm-95
-> 

This is what user configuration files are for.  If you want a
different window manager , it's fairly easy to set up a .xsession and
have startx use it.

-> 6) The wisdom of put the contents of /etc/X11/xdm and /etc/X11/xinit
-> where they are needs to be re-evaluated.
-> Most of the files in these directories are shell scripts not
-> configuration files.

Actually, they kind of walk the fine line between configuration files
and shell scripts, since they are what you edit to configure X to do
what you want.  So they're probably OK there, especially since if they
get put in /usr, they get a lot harder to configure if, as you
suggest, /usr is read only :)

-> 7) The configuration programs for /etc/printcap and the user maintaince
-> utilities from Redhat need to be lifted :)

Don't know what you mean by user maintenance, but a printer
configuration utility would definitely be a good thing. Who wants to
write it? :)

-Larry

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I have been very unsuccessful in running LaTeX under Debian 1.1+

Version 2e-4 seems unable to find the standard classes (like article etc).
It appears to be quite happy if I set TEXINPUTS by hand to include
some of the directories under /usr/lib/tex. However I always seem to
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I grabbed 2e-7 but the installation dies.

Does anyone have any words of wisdom on the subject?

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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Richard>  I taper no longer supported or is there an updated package that
>   Richard> includes it?  I kind of liked it.
> 
> It is orphaned. If you really like taper, you could maintain it. There have
> been new upstream releases. :-)
> 
> As for tape backups, we have "tob" which most people who tried it seem to
> be rather happy with, your's truly included. 

I'm a fan of taper myself. I'll take over maintaining it, ok? Didn't
realize it was orphaned or I would have done that sooner.

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I've had problems concerning babel 3.6-4. When I try to install it through
dselect, I get following problems with it:

Setting up babel (3.6-4) ...
Building new format(s) with babel support using install-fmt-base(8)
Rebuilding `latex' format ... done
Rebuilding `tex' format ... kpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM manfnt.tfm 
Running MakeTeXPK manfnt.tfm
mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt \</dev/null
This is METAFONT, Version 2.71 (C version 6.1)

kpathsea: Running MakeTeXMF manfnt.mf 
I don't know how to generate manfnt.mf!
! I can't find file `manfnt.mf'.
<*> ...=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt
                                                  
Please type another input file name: 
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt
                                                  
Transcript written on mfput.log.
Metafont failed for some reason on manfnt.tfm
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.

If I let it run without interruption, it will create nice swapping and
also fill my filesystem with one of its logs. strace shows that it
definately goes into endless loop.

Any advises how to get around it ? (gzip -dc Contents.gz | grep manfnt.mf
didn't produce anything as its output)

As some other issues, it seems that you need to have at least one *deb
file in binary, non-free/binary and contrib/binary directories or dselect
stops. This happens even if I haven't selected any files from those
directories (the whole issue came up, because I have to download stuff to
my own disk first and install it from that, since I doubt if dpkg's own
ftp supports ftp gateways (even ncftp needs nowdays patching for it :().

I guess thats all for now...

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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Joey Hess wrote:

> 
> I'm a fan of taper myself. I'll take over maintaining it, ok? Didn't
> realize it was orphaned or I would have done that sooner.
> 
Yea, I've been waiting for the 6.7.4 release (it fixes some problems us 
m68kers have).  

Thanks,

Leland

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I seem to be having problems with using popclient, procmail and elm together.
I've set up popclient and procmail correctly, filtering messages well.
Elm can read folders produced locally by cron, etc..
However, folders created by popclient + procmail cannot be read by elm.
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from line is missing!
Why???
Please enlighten me ;-)


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  I am in the process of switching from "ancient" a.out/Linux 1.2.13
to debian/Linux 2.0.x 

  Two questions

  (1) I have been using (under license through the university)
      maple on Linux.  maple/xmaple for Linux has been running
      fine on my old a.out/Linux 1.2.13 distribution.  

      maple seems to be fine on debian/Linux 2.0.x but xmaple
      complains about libXt.so.3 and libX11.so.3 being missing.

      I tried copying over the a.out libXt.so.3 and libX11.so.3 which
      I have on my old 1.2.13 ditribution, but I get segmentation faults
      when I try to run xmaple.  

      Would anyone know if this can be fixed? (Possibly with elf versions
      of libXt.so.3 and libX11.so.3?)

  (2) I have been using socks-4.2 both in server and client mode under my
      a.out/Linux 1.2.13 setup.  I looked, but there is no socks debian
      package.  Can debian/Linux 2.0.x be a socks server?

  Thanks in advance.

- Allen


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I recently installed Debian Linux on my system and have a few questions about
the distribution.

When using dselect, do I have to download from the ftp site, packages or are
they on the install disks ?
The programs that I am interested in are the XFree86, Emacs and Latex
including software to access the net.
All I can seem to find while running Linux is the bash shell and ae . I can
not find any man pages.
I have looked for FAQ`s but have found none pertaining to the info that I
need. 

Does the install contain a list of commands for Linux ?

While installing Debian 1.1 when it came to loading and configuring modules
to place in the kernal there where a few things I did not understand .

1. Under Fsystem/smbfs involved a Windows 95 Sharing . What is this ?
2. Under Vfat there was a driver ( I guess ) that you could install  for
Windows 95 long file names under       DOS. What is this ?

Any help regarding this subject matter would be greatly appreciated. I am a
new user in the Linux/UNIX environment and am rather excited about running
the OS.

Mark
Debian 1.1
Root Floppy Built June 16 1996.
Windows 95
486 DX2 50
16 RAM
CD ROM 4x


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> >> Folks,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> These ideas are being posted here from net news per >request.
> >> Response is desired (even if it's not Debian priority)
> > [...]
> >> 3) Server and client installation distinctions. Possible >avenue for easy 
> >> minimal setup of X clients.
> >> 
> >> A person installing a Linux system should have the option >of choosing
> >> where they want the local machine to be the server or use >a remote
> >> server. There are still people out there who want to make >use of machine
> >> with 4 megs of ram. Running an X client on a 386 with 4 >megs of ram and
> >> a resonable video arrangement is not a bad thing and may >be cost
> >> effective in some environments.
> [...]
> >So just running a client on the local machine makes no sense >unless I
> am on a network and the windows/keyboard >input/etc are showing up on 
> -someone else's display-.  It >is reasonable, however, if you have a 
> fast network, to run >just an X server locally and X clients remotely.  
> >For most people, this isn't a sensible option, since most >new Linux
> users are going to be individuals, with no fast >network to support them.

I think that Linux folk should be forward looking. Consider when
(opinion: it is not a matter of if....it's a matter of when)
multi-megabit come into being for average users in the next few years.
Linux and Debian could be the first to embrace it.

> >As for memory considerations...
> >I am running both an X server and several X clients on my >machine
> right now.  The two biggestnt processes on my >machine are exmh (an X
> client that acts as a mailreader, >Tcl/Tk based, and a true memory hog),
> and 
> >XF86_SVGA (my X server).  The server -right now- is only >using about
> 2MB of memory, but that will grow with time.  >The mailreader is using
> about 4MB of space.  After those >two, I have an Xterm (another X
> client) using 1MB of >memory, and everything else is less than that.  
> >Running just X clients on my machine would not help the >memory issue
> (but just running an X server might).

I recognize your concern. But also consider that you can buy 16 megs of
ram for under $100. Making multiple queries to 4 or 5 XDM servers I
found to be very practical on a 8 meg machine.

> > 4) Allowing controls of how many X sessions can be lauched would be
> > reasonable as well. X has the seemingly unknown feature of running
> > numerous client/servers. By adding :1, :2, etc as server arguments, you
> > can launch multiple X session possible on different servers from the
> > same console. This is extremely powerful to say the least.
> > It would be a bonus to be able to have a system admin control how many X
> > sessions are being launched at one console. This would require a small
> > adjustment in startx. In addition, it should not be required that the
> > user keep track of :1, :2, :3. This is another adjustment that would be
> > made in startx.

> >It does have this option, but it is necessarily all that good of >an
> option.  Multiple X servers (which is what you do when >you do that) eat
> up more memory, with little real benefit 

> See top note above.

> >[...]
> >As an experiment, I just went to one of my shell windows >and found out
> that my environment variable DISPLAY was >set to ":0.0" (or, display 0,
> screen 0 on the local machine).  I >then went to another virtual
> console, and started another X >server using startx (which took a while,
> since I normally use >xdm to manage my X sessions).  On -that- server, I
> again >checked my environment variable DISPLAY, ant it was set >to
> ":1.0" (or, display 1, screen 0, on the local machine).  It >appears
> that no change is really necessary -- the system >already does the job
> as configured.  The "DISPLAY" >variable is what all properly written X
> clients use to >determine what display (and screen!) they should use.

This is a fact that I was unaware of.

> > 
> > 5) If a startup shell script for window managers should also be easy to
> > add.
> > 
> > I think that the user should have the possibility of specifying the
> > window manager at the startx prompt such as:
> > 
> >      startx fvwm
> >      startx openwin
> >      startx fvwm-95
> > 
> > And have resonable assurances that it will work.
> > An additional bonus to this would be allowing root to setup a simple
> > table to map the names to various shell scripts that would start the
> > window managers. This would allow for practically all contingencies and
> > complexities in getting that window manager started. This would also
> > allow the package maintainer to move the main window manager binaries
> > out of the path and out of harms way.

> >I'm sorry...  I don't agree here...
>
> >The onus for getting -my- X session to look the way -I- >want is right
> where it should be, on -me-, not the >sysadmin. 

> This wouldn't have to override the existing option of using ~/.Xsession.
> xinitrc is what makes the decision whether ~/.Xsession is launched. A
> test for .Xsession could exist before the default window manager
> decision is made or based on the startx argument.

> >Startx is a front end to the xinit program, which in turn runs >the
> program /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc as the initial client for >the X server
> (when this client exits, so does X).  On the >Debian system, 
> >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is a symbolic link to >/etc/X11/Xsession, 

> Someone please tell me why this link exist.
> And what are executables (even shell scripts) doing in /etc?

> >which is a script that an a Debian system sets does some >basic
> configuration of the session for the user (i.e., >prepares the errors
> log file, loads in the system-wide or >user-specific keyboard
> modification map, and >system-wide or user-specific X resources, and
> then tries >to run a reasonable default (if a ~/.xsession is executable,
> >and the system is set up to allow user X session files, run it,
> >otherwise,
> > run the first windowmanager that is executable in the file
> >/etc/X11/window-managers, 

> Um. /etc shouldn't have executables

> >or if that doesn't work (no windowmanagers in the file, or >file
> doesn't exist), run fvwm if it exists, otherwise, run >twm).

Personal opinion: FVWM should be default :)

> >For most practical cases, this means that I, as end user, >have as much
> control over my X session that I want via a file >I control.  My
> .xsession file, for instance, starts up a few X >clients (a couple of 
> >clocks, a couple of load meters, a mail reader, a shell), and >then
> invokes a window manager.  My window manager is >controlled by the
> contents of my .fvwm2rc file, so I can >control that, and so on.
> >Yes, there are systemwide defaults that work reasonably well if none of 
> >these are specified, and you can configure it so that an 
> >.xsession/.fvwm is automatically created for new users, but >they are
> also easily overridden by the end user.
>
> >And this is how it shoudl be.

> >Besides, are you familiar with xdm?

> I'm should be familiar with this. I recently setup a xdm server and a
> bunch of clients.

> >This is an X session manager program, designed to allow >people to log
> into and out of X displays directly.  It presents >a login window, into
> which people enter there username and >password.  If they are good, xdm
> automatically starts up 
> >an X server with a configurable client application (in the >default
> Debian enironment, it works out to be the same >/etc/X11/Xsession file I
> discussed above).  Xdm is good in >environments where you don't want 
> >anyone -not- using X. Since I use xdm on my own machine, >I never even
> use startx.  How do you want your schema to >deal with this setup?

> My thinking is that xdm should be a separate execution path from startx.
> The fact that xdm runs /etc/X11/Xsession leaves something to be desired
> (this was a very undesirable setup in the XDM system I setup). xdm
> should run a completely separate set of shell scripts. But could still
> make test and calls for ~/.xsession and other user specific scripts.

> My particular setup had /etc/X11/xsession as the master script running
> as the logging in user from XDM. Another completely different script I
> named /etc/X11/xconsole ran the console setup and was notably different.
> This allows the superuser to put in such options as running multiple
> window manager when logging in via XDM. It also allows for the superuser
> security or otherwise based things that he may want done as a user
> logging in via XDM. Any checks for ~/.xsession could be made here. 

> So on XDM connection:

> /?usr?/X11R6/xdm/Xsetup would be launched.
> Login received
> /?usr?/X11R6/xdm/Xstartup is launched (after login as root)
> /?usr?/X11R6/xdm/Xsession is launched (separate file from one launch at
> console). All considerations for ~/.Xsession, ~/.Xresources, etc. are
> made. Default window manager is launched or other arrangments are made.
> (On my XDM server, on XDM login screen, there is a small box in the
> corner allowing you to choose your window manager as you login.)

> For console startx:

> /usr/X11R6/bin/startx is launched. Client args and server args or window
> manager name is received.
> xinit is launched
> X server is run by xinit of course
> /?usr?/X11R6/?xinit?/Xconsole would take over and launch the window
> manager of choice or ~/.Xsession.

> If you like I'll post my xdm and startx scripts for my XDM server.

> >> 
> >> 6) The wisdom of put the contents of /etc/X11/xdm and >/etc/X11/xinit
> >> where they are needs to be re-evaluated.
> >> Most of the files in these directories are shell scripts not
> >> configuration files.
>
> >Half the files in /etc/X11/xdm on my system are executable.  >As has
> recently been discussed on fhs-discuss, just >because it is a shell
> script doesn't mean that it isn't a >configuration file.  Should
> /etc/init.d/cron be moved?  It is a >shell script.  It is also an
> important part of system >configuration.

> The booting scripts probably do not belong in /etc. A directory
> hierarchy should probably be developed in /boot. /lib/modules should be
> moved to /boot as well.

> >OTOH, if you are saying Debian should change in these 7 >points because
> that is how Red Hat does things, then all I >can really say is that
> Debian is not Red Hat.

Not implying this.






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> Glenn Bily writes:
> -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing
> -> what is left into subdirectories.

> This has a number of problems, namely:
> 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to
>    happen on other systems.  Too much work for too little gain.
> 2) violates the FSSTND

> Actually to move the directories out of use /usr/lib would not violate
> FSSTND it would just be a looser interpretation.
> And I think that organization gains a lot. More newbies because experts
> faster if the file structure is easier to understand.

> 3) violates what most experienced UNIX users would expect

Experienced UNIX users would not expect anything :) The fact is that
there are so many flavors of Unix with somewhat different filesystem
organizations that I doubt this would mean much to a Unix expert. In
addition, the admin's life would only be made easier.

"Let's see where is perl stuff....of course: /usr/perl"

> >-> Things like /usr/lib/perl, /usr/lib/terminfo, etc. need to >be moved back
> >-> to /usr or /ap were it makes more sense.
>
> >Except for the fact that this is nonstandard and likely to >make it
> harder for people to go out, get a package, and >compile it and drop it
> in, since it makes Linux >non-compatible with every other UNIX system
> >in existence.

How is this any different from now. I have never seen a Linux system
that you could just "drop" in a package unless it was planned.

> >-> What are the advantages this?
> >-> 
> >-> If someone chooses not to install development type >packages then their
> >-> lib directories are not cluttered with libraries that make >the directory
> >-> long and unmanagable.

> >One person's long and unmanagable is another's >easy-to-find :)
> >Besides, how is the dynamic loader supposed to find shared >libs if we
> >scatter them all over creation?

How is this any different from 300 files in /usr/lib. ld.so finding the
libs is a detail. Adding lines ld.so.conf would fix most problems.

> >-> It great reduces confusion on the part of users and >possibly developer
> >-> as to what libraries are where.
>
> >Only people who have never used any other UNIX system.  >I'm willing to
> bet that most linux users either already have >some UNIX experience or
> are trying to become familiar >with UNIX.  No need to confuse people by
> being rather >gratuitously different from other UNIXes.

I spend a substantial time on IRC in the #linux and probably see 50
newbies go in and out per hour.

> >-> 2) Figuring out whether /usr/local is really being used >properly (which
> >-> in my reading of FSSTND it isn't)
> >-> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it >shouldn't be in
> >-> /usr. /usr would typically be read-only mounted to a >server in the cases
> >-> where /usr/local would be used. You cannot mount on >read-only
> >-> partitions.
>
> >I think you're misunderstanding here... /usr/local is for local >use.
> >In other words, /usr/local is where you put all the programs >that you
> >download and compile yourself.  They should probably be >using config
> files in /etc and runtime files in /var if
> > necessary.  "local
> >configuration" just means that it's up to the machine's >sysadmin as to
> how they want to set up and use /usr/local.

Even in this case. /usr/local is not being use properly.

> >-> 5) If a startup shell script for window managers should >also be easy to
> >-> add.
> >-> 
> >-> I think that the user should have the possibility of >specifying the
> >-> window manager at the startx prompt such as:
> >-> 
> >->      startx fvwm
> >->      startx openwin
> >->      startx fvwm-95
> >-> 
>
> >This is what user configuration files are for.  If you want a
> >different window manager , it's fairly easy to set up a >.xsession and
> have startx use it.

Here again you assume infinite wisdom :).

> >-> 6) The wisdom of put the contents of /etc/X11/xdm and >/etc/X11/xinit
> >-> where they are needs to be re-evaluated.
> >-> Most of the files in these directories are shell scripts >not
> >-> configuration files.
>
> >Actually, they kind of walk the fine line between >configuration files
> >and shell scripts, since they are what you edit to configure >X to do
> >what you want.  So they're probably OK there, especially >since if they
> >get put in /usr, they get a lot harder to configure if, as you
> >suggest, /usr is read only :)

Don't see why these files would have to be changed on a constant basis.
Individual users could easily do it in ~/.xsession. System admin could
remount /usr read-write when he does the changes. Negliably harder.

> >-> 7) The configuration programs for /etc/printcap and the >user maintaince
> >-> utilities from Redhat need to be lifted :)
>
> >Don't know what you mean by user maintenance, but a >printer
> >configuration utility would definitely be a good thing. Who >wants to
> write it? :)

Already written. It has been mentioned to me that Redhat doesn't mind if
we use their stuff.





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Hi Mark --
You asked:

> When using dselect, do I have to download from the ftp site, packages or are
> they on the install disks ?
The install disks only contain enough software to set up your system
so that it is *capable* of being used to fetch the major packages.

All tolled, the Debian software packages take up several hundred MBytes.
They can't fit onto floppy disks.  (Of course, you don't have to install
all of the files -- just the ones you need for your purposes.)

> The programs that I am interested in are the XFree86, Emacs and Latex
> including software to access the net.
The programs you need for XFree86 are in the Debian FTP archive, in
the directory stable/binary/x11.
The programs you need for Emacs are in the Debian FTP archive, in
the directory stable/binary/editors.
The programs you need for Latex are in the Debian FTP archive, in
the directory stable/binary/tex.  You may also be interested in the files
in stable/binary/text.
Programs to access the net are mostly in stable/binary/net.

> I can not find any man pages.
'man' and the 'manpages' are additional large packages.  They are in
stable/binary/doc at the Debian FTP archives.

> I have looked for FAQ`s but have found none pertaining to the info that I
> need. 
See http://www.debian.org/FAQ


> Does the install contain a list of commands for Linux ?
I don't know what this question means.
The installation disks boot up, then present the user with a dialog to
help guide him through setting up the disk partitions, formatting the
disk, then setting up the basic directories.  It then guides the
user through the installation of the very basic Unix-like tools which
are on the base disks into his newly-made Linux system.


> While installing Debian 1.1 when it came to loading and configuring modules
> to place in the kernal there where a few things I did not understand .
> 
> 1. Under Fsystem/smbfs involved a Windows 95 Sharing . What is this ?
smbfs is a file system for sharing data and directories with other
computers running Windows.

> 2. Under Vfat there was a driver ( I guess ) that you could install  for
> Windows 95 long file names under       DOS. What is this ?
Windows 95 allows the usr to (think he can) use file names longer than
8 characters, a dot, and a 3-character extension.  (Actually, windows 
translates the filenames to shorter, MS-DOS compatible filenames for use
by the DOS filesystem, but the user is in general unaware of that.)
The vfat driver allows a Linux user to use Windows-95 style file names
in accessing file on a Win95 drive on his Linux system.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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From: Glenn Bily <gvb@elentari.cs.wcu.edu>
> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing
> what is left into subdirectories.
> 
> A reasonable setup would be:
> 
> /usr/lib/elf  -- elf shared libs
> /usr/lib/aout -- a.out shared libs

How about /usr/lib/i386-elf and /usr/lib/i386-aout?
That lets you support multiple architectures more easily.
I think this is more desirable from an architecture standpoint
than an executable format standpoint - a.out is quickly waning,
but supporting hetrogenous architectures is a continuing problem.

Please contact Dan Quinlan <quinlan@bucknell.edu> about joining
the FHS group - they are the ones who will make this decision.
Please get the current draft of the FHS standard from Dan (it's
long) and become familiar with it before you join the discussion
on their mailing list.

> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it shouldn't be in
> /usr.

Yes. It should probably be a symlink to somewhere else out of the box
on a freshly-installed Debian system. The installation scripts can do
that. Please submit a bug report on the "boot-floppies" package about
this so I won't forget it. The info on how to use the bug system is
on our web page www.debian.org .

> On a debian system I am looking at has a /usr/local/lib/emacs which I
> consider to be stranded.

Please check that the _current_ Emacs package still does this.
Debian packages aren't supposed to touch /usr/local at all, but perhaps
some of them create directories there to give the user a hint that programs
will look in there.

> /local/etc would be configuration files typically found /etc.

/etc is by definition local - however I have done it exactly as you describe
on my system (before upgrading with dpkg became so easy) in order to tell
what I had changed. I've actually thought about using a source control system
(like RCS) on /etc . "dpkg" doesn't currently know how to check control files
in and out of RCS - is this a good idea? Currently, it will leave a
"filename.dpkg-new" file around for you to hand-edit if you decline to
over-write a control file.

There should also be a dpkg flag to ask it if you have altered a control
file from the version in the package. Since it keeps the md5 checksum
around, that is possible.

> 3) Server and client installation distinctions. Possible avenue for easy 
> minimal setup of X clients.

Is this "select a preset list of packages depending on what I say
I want to use the system for"? We just put functionality in dpkg that
would make that easy to implement.

> A person installing a Linux system should have the option of choosing
> where they want the local machine to be the server or use a remote
> server. There are still people out there who want to make use of machine
> with 4 megs of ram. Running an X client on a 386 with 4 megs of ram and
> a resonable video arrangement is not a bad thing and may be cost
> effective in some environments.

I'm not sure I understand the list of action items required for the above.
I think it's just a matter of choosing the right packages - something we
could definitely help the user with.

[discussion of several new startx features deleted]
> This would require a small adjustment in startx.

OK - go ahead and code it up, document it, and package it as an alternate
startx. Packaging documentation is now in the dpkg and debian-doc packages.
It's a lot easier now that there _is_ packaging documentation.
If you get satisfied Debian users of your package, that'll help you
convince XFree86 to adopt it.

> The wisdom of put the contents of /etc/X11/xdm and /etc/X11/xinit
> where they are needs to be re-evaluated.
> Most of the files in these directories are shell scripts not
> configuration files.

/etc/X11/xinit only has one script on my system, and that's one I can see
reasons to edit. About 3 files in "xdm" could be elsewhere, but they are
small. You might want do discuss this with the "xdm" maintainer.

> The configuration programs for /etc/printcap and the user maintaince
> utilities from Redhat need to be lifted :)

Hm. Who is in charge of printer set-up?
I'd be happy to look at the user maintainance scripts from RedHat. Can
you mail them to me?

	Thanks

	Bruce


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bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

> (like RCS) on /etc . "dpkg" doesn't currently know how to check control files
> in and out of RCS - is this a good idea? Currently, it will leave a
> "filename.dpkg-new" file around for you to hand-edit if you decline to
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This sounds like a really nice idea, but I bet there could be nasty
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Bruce,

> >> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it >shouldn't be in
> >> /usr.
>
> >Yes. It should probably be a symlink to somewhere else out >of the box
> >on a freshly-installed Debian system. The installation >scripts can do
> >that. Please submit a bug report on the "boot-floppies" >package about
> >this so I won't forget it. The info on how to use the bug >system is
> >on our web page www.debian.org .

If it is suppose to be empty...Then why should it be at all?

> >> /local/etc would be configuration files typically found >/etc.
>
> >/etc is by definition local - however I have done it exactly >as you
> describe on my system (before upgrading with dpkg >became so easy) in
> order to tell what I had changed. I've >actually thought about using a
> source control system
> >(like RCS) on /etc . "dpkg" doesn't currently know how to >check
> control files in and out of RCS - is this a good idea? >Currently, it
> will leave a "filename.dpkg-new" file around >for you to hand-edit if
> you decline to over-write a control >file.

The difference between local configuration and global configuration is
vague. A good way to determine this would be: If I NFS mount /etc
read-only from a server on a client (of course you can't do this). What
would I find necessary to change to make the client work besides account
based stuff?
Off the top of my head...here are some pretty big candidates:

sendmail.cf
yp.conf
syslog.conf
securetty
printcap

Questionable:
hosts.*
shells
resolv.conf

If one wanted to give the installer a choice (wonderful!)  then shell
script could be lifted out of the kernel configuration utility. The type
of choice code that could be used has already been written.

> There should also be a dpkg flag to ask it if you have altered a control
> file from the version in the package. Since it keeps the md5 checksum
> around, that is possible.

> >> The wisdom of put the contents of /etc/X11/xdm and >/etc/X11/xinit
> >> where they are needs to be re-evaluated.
> >> Most of the files in these directories are shell scripts not
> >> configuration files.
>
> >/etc/X11/xinit only has one script on my system, and that's >one I can
> see reasons to edit. About 3 files in "xdm" could >be elsewhere, but
> they are small. You might want do discuss >this with the "xdm"
> maintainer.

The fact you find need to edit this script suggest problems (to be
distinuish from /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config which is a genuine configuration
file). One should be able to get away with only editing these scripts
once or twice in a blue moon. The rests of this work should be done in
~/.Xsession as a regular user.
It should be the perogative of any Unix system to keep users out of root
as much as possible.








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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> 
>   Richard>  I taper no longer supported or is there an updated package that
>   Richard> includes it?  I kind of liked it.
> 
> It is orphaned. If you really like taper, you could maintain it. There have
> been new upstream releases. :-)
> 
> As for tape backups, we have "tob" which most people who tried it seem to
> be rather happy with, your's truly included. 
> 
> --
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
> 
Hmmm, tob seems like a pretty useful interface to afio, but
I dig taper's menu driven approach.  I'll consider picking
it up, but not for at least 8 more weeks.  That puts it out
of range of 1.2 :-(

But by all means, don't hold me to this, at lot can happen
in 8 weeks!

Thanks

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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Joey Hess wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Sep 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   Richard>  I taper no longer supported or is there an updated package that
> >   Richard> includes it?  I kind of liked it.
> > 
> > It is orphaned. If you really like taper, you could maintain it. There have
> > been new upstream releases. :-)
> > 
> > As for tape backups, we have "tob" which most people who tried it seem to
> > be rather happy with, your's truly included. 
> 
> I'm a fan of taper myself. I'll take over maintaining it, ok? Didn't
> realize it was orphaned or I would have done that sooner.
> 

Kindly ignore my previous post and take it.  I hadn't gotten
down far enough to see there was another reply!  Its all
yours, and thanks!

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> > On a debian system I am looking at has a /usr/local/lib/emacs which I
> > consider to be stranded.
> Please check that the _current_ Emacs package still does this.

Current emacs does *create* the directory (ie. it is in the package
contents), as recommended by the debian packaging guidelines, as a
hint to the user that emacs will *look* there if there's anything in
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> Mark,

> This doesn't answer the overall question...why is it there?

>                                                                         
> --Glenn

> >> > On a debian system I am looking at has a >/usr/local/lib/emacs which I
> >> > consider to be stranded.
> >> Please check that the _current_ Emacs package still does >this.
> >
> >Current emacs does *create* the directory (ie. it is in the >package
> >contents), as recommended by the debian packaging >guidelines, as a
> >hint to the user that emacs will *look* there if there's >anything in
> >it.  It does not put any files there, of course.





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On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Glenn Bily wrote:

> Bruce,
> 
> > >> If /usr/local is really for local configuration then it >shouldn't be in
> > >> /usr.
> >
> > >Yes. It should probably be a symlink to somewhere else out >of the box
> > >on a freshly-installed Debian system. The installation >scripts can do
> > >that. Please submit a bug report on the "boot-floppies" >package about
> > >this so I won't forget it. The info on how to use the bug >system is
> > >on our web page www.debian.org .
> 
> If it is suppose to be empty...Then why should it be at all?

Hmmm, i tend to agree here, except if Debian doesn't put it
there, I'm sure a slew of newbies will never figure out
where to put home grown stuff.  Perhaps creating
/usr/local/{bin,include,lib,man} and a README file explaning
what the heck it all is.

> 
> > >> /local/etc would be configuration files typically found >/etc.
> >
> > >/etc is by definition local - however I have done it exactly >as you
> > describe on my system (before upgrading with dpkg >became so easy) in
> > order to tell what I had changed. I've >actually thought about using a
> > source control system
> > >(like RCS) on /etc . "dpkg" doesn't currently know how to >check
> > control files in and out of RCS - is this a good idea? >Currently, it
> > will leave a "filename.dpkg-new" file around >for you to hand-edit if
> > you decline to over-write a control >file.

No point in splitting hairs, etc is local already.  When we
start to over scrutinize things to this extent, we need to
ask ourselves what it it we really want to accomplish.
Doesn't /etc/ already accomplish this?  As far as using rcs,
I think its a good idea, but does it break some other
packages that offer a method for controlling and
distributing this information?  Maybe using /var/lib/RCS or
something and keeping this stuff unlocked.  That would give
dpkg the opportunity to have its own version information,
without encumbering other utilities.

> 
> The difference between local configuration and global configuration is
> vague. A good way to determine this would be: If I NFS mount /etc
> 
> If one wanted to give the installer a choice (wonderful!)  then shell
> script could be lifted out of the kernel configuration utility. The type
> of choice code that could be used has already been written.

you lost me here.

> 
> > There should also be a dpkg flag to ask it if you have altered a control
> > file from the version in the package. Since it keeps the md5 checksum
> > around, that is possible.

If it keeps the md5sum around, can't it detect alterations?

> 
> The fact you find need to edit this script suggest problems (to be
> distinuish from /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config which is a genuine configuration
> file). One should be able to get away with only editing these scripts
> once or twice in a blue moon. The rests of this work should be done in
> ~/.Xsession as a regular user.
> It should be the perogative of any Unix system to keep users out of root
> as much as possible.

I've never had the need to let any user muck around in the
root filesystem for any reason on any flavor on UNIX.  I'm
not sure I'm following this last part either ...

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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What is fvwm-95 and where can it be found?  From the name, it sounds
like it might emulate the Windows95 four button window format.  Is this
the case?  

Where is fvwm-95 located and what is it's developmental status.

I prefer the windows 95 window format over most of the X manager formats
that I have tried.  I particularly like the dedicated exit button.  I'm
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Glenn Bily writes:
-> > Glenn Bily writes:
-> > -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing
-> > -> what is left into subdirectories.
-> 
-> > This has a number of problems, namely:
-> > 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to
-> >    happen on other systems.  Too much work for too little gain.
-> > 2) violates the FSSTND
-> 
-> Actually to move the directories out of use /usr/lib would not violate
-> FSSTND it would just be a looser interpretation.
-> And I think that organization gains a lot. More newbies because experts
-> faster if the file structure is easier to understand.

Umm, from the FSSTND:
    No large package (such as TeX and GNU Emacs) should use a direct
    subdirectory of /usr.  Instead, there should be a subdirectory
    within /usr/lib (or /usr/local/lib if it was installed completely
    locally) for the purpose.  An exception is made for the X Window
    System because of considerable precedent and widely-accepted
    practice. 

I didn't see anything in the FSSTND to directly recommend against
splitting up /usr/lib, but it makes life a LOT easier for the
sysadmin, the user and the linker to have all this stuff in one
place.  And believe it or not, /usr/lib looks like that on every UNIX
system I've used :)

-> > 3) violates what most experienced UNIX users would expect
-> 
-> Experienced UNIX users would not expect anything :) The fact is that
-> there are so many flavors of Unix with somewhat different filesystem
-> organizations that I doubt this would mean much to a Unix expert. In
-> addition, the admin's life would only be made easier.

I beg to differ here.  Granted, there are a lot of things which are
not standard from system to system, but there are a lot of things,
such as /usr/lib, which ARE pretty standard from UNIX to UNIX.  If we
move THOSE things around, People who think they know UNIX end up even
more frustrated. (At least, I know I would)

-> > >Except for the fact that this is nonstandard and likely to >make it
-> > harder for people to go out, get a package, and >compile it and drop it
-> > in, since it makes Linux >non-compatible with every other UNIX system
-> > >in existence.
-> 
-> How is this any different from now. I have never seen a Linux system
-> that you could just "drop" in a package unless it was planned.

On prepackaged systems, it may not matter as much, since you don't do
a lot of compilation of your own packages.  But certainly, as a
maintainer you do not want to go around editing 500 files to make sure
you change every instance of /usr/lib/foo to /usr/foo/lib. This is why
the FSSTND allows for things like a link from /usr/lib/sendmail ->
/usr/sbin/sendmail, /etc/utmp -> /var/run/utmp, and so forth.
Gratuitous changes should not be made unless you understand what
impact those changes have.  The FSSTND represents a lot of discussion
and debate by many experienced users.  Please, be aware of the spirit
AND the letter :)

-> > >One person's long and unmanagable is another's >easy-to-find :)
-> > >Besides, how is the dynamic loader supposed to find shared >libs if we
-> > >scatter them all over creation?
-> 
-> How is this any different from 300 files in /usr/lib. ld.so finding the
-> libs is a detail. Adding lines ld.so.conf would fix most problems.

Except for compilation.  ld doesn't use /etc/ld.so.cache, so that it
can be close to the 'standard' GNU ld.  H.J. Liu &co. have put a fair
amount of work into getting closer to the standard GNU stuff.  It just
doesn't make sense to start diverging again.

-> > >-> 5) If a startup shell script for window managers should >also be easy 
to
-> > >-> add.
-> > >-> 
-> > >-> I think that the user should have the possibility of >specifying the
-> > >-> window manager at the startx prompt such as:
-> > >-> 
-> > >->      startx fvwm
-> > >->      startx openwin
-> > >->      startx fvwm-95
-> > >-> 
-> >
-> > >This is what user configuration files are for.  If you want a
-> > >different window manager , it's fairly easy to set up a >.xsession and
-> > have startx use it.
-> 
-> Here again you assume infinite wisdom :).

A .xsession is a trivial thing to write, especially of a type close to
the default.  It's certainly not significantly more difficult than
figuring out what window managers are available.  Granted, I may be a
bit out of touch with the standard newbie, but if little things like
this are so difficult to find out, maybe there's a need for a more
comprehensive 'Linux new user' document, and more obvious pointers to
it.  Such a project certainly sounds like a more productive and less
complex effort than the massive changes that are outlined here, and
won't frustrate us oldbies that know where to look for things :)

-> > Don't know what you mean by user maintenance, but a printer
-> > configuration utility would definitely be a good thing. Who wants to
-> > write it? :)
-> 
-> Already written. It has been mentioned to me that Redhat doesn't mind if
-> we use their stuff.

Is the printer config stuff written in python, or in a more reasonable
language? :)  Python is huge, and isn't very common in the Real
World.  One of the biggest reasons why I didn't like RedHat was how my
system ground (8M memory at the time) ground to a halt when I started
X because of the size of the python interpreter.  In addition,
consider the disk space it takes up.  I don't think that we want to
require python to do printer configuration, when otherwise it goes
unused.

-Larry

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Larry,

> >Glenn Bily writes:
> >-> > Glenn Bily writes:
> >-> > -> 1) Long awaited cleaning out of /usr/lib. In addition, categorizing
> >-> > -> what is left into subdirectories.
> >-> 
> >-> > This has a number of problems, namely:
> >-> > 1) Would require changes to binutils for linux that don't have to
> >-> >    happen on other systems.  Too much work for too little gain.
> >-> > 2) violates the FSSTND
> >-> 
> >-> Actually to move the directories out of use /usr/lib would not violate
> >-> FSSTND it would just be a looser interpretation.
> >-> And I think that organization gains a lot. More newbies because experts
> >-> faster if the file structure is easier to understand.
>
> >Umm, from the FSSTND:
> >    No large package (such as TeX and GNU Emacs) should use a direct
> >    subdirectory of /usr.  Instead, there should be a subdirectory
> >    within /usr/lib (or /usr/local/lib if it was installed completely
> >    locally) for the purpose.  An exception is made for the X Window
> >    System because of considerable precedent and widely-accepted
> >    practice. 

I firmly disagree with this point of the FSSTND. It is going to be
changed I'm told.
What has happened to /usr/lib should be obvious. :)

> >I didn't see anything in the FSSTND to directly recommend against
> >splitting up /usr/lib, but it makes life a LOT easier for the
> >sysadmin, the user and the linker to have all this stuff in one
> >place.  And believe it or not, /usr/lib looks like that on every UNIX
> >system I've used :)

Somehow I believe it.

> >-> > 3) violates what most experienced UNIX users would expect
> >-> 
> >-> Experienced UNIX users would not expect anything :) The fact is that
> >-> there are so many flavors of Unix with somewhat different filesystem
> >-> organizations that I doubt this would mean much to a Unix expert. In
> >-> addition, the admin's life would only be made easier.
>
> >I beg to differ here.  Granted, there are a lot of things which are
> >not standard from system to system, but there are a lot of things,
> >such as /usr/lib, which ARE pretty standard from UNIX to UNIX.  If we
> >move THOSE things around, People who think they know UNIX end up even
> >more frustrated. (At least, I know I would)

Hopefully, seeing how unreasonable /usr/lib has become is convincing
enough to be sure
that changes are on the way. I welcome them personally. This is almost a
paradox.
"You change, people will be upset. You don't change, you system will
suffer". There is
a certain multi billion dollar software company who writes an OS that is locked
into this paradox.

> >-> > >Except for the fact that this is nonstandard and likely to >make it
> >-> > harder for people to go out, get a package, and >compile it and drop it
> >-> > in, since it makes Linux >non-compatible with every other UNIX system
> >-> > >in existence.
> >-> 
> >-> How is this any different from now. I have never seen a Linux system
> >-> that you could just "drop" in a package unless it was planned.

> >On prepackaged systems, it may not matter as much,

> Hmm. I beg to differ. Just because one uses a packaging does not
> release the developers from being reasonable.

> >since you don't do
> >a lot of compilation of your own packages.  But certainly, as a
> >maintainer you do not want to go around editing 500 files to make sure
> >you change every instance of /usr/lib/foo to /usr/foo/lib. 

> >This is why
> >the FSSTND allows for things like a link from /usr/lib/sendmail ->
> >/usr/sbin/sendmail, /etc/utmp -> /var/run/utmp, and so forth.

> Every instance of /etc/utmp should be eliminated if at all possible. I'm
> eager to phase out /etc/utmp. Same goes for /usr/lib/sendmail. This was
> the intention of FSSTND.

> >Gratuitous changes should not be made unless you understand what
> >impact those changes have.  The FSSTND represents a lot of discussion
> >and debate by many experienced users.  Please, be aware of the spirit
> >AND the letter :)

I am aware. I'm also aware that a new phase of changes are necessary for
things to
improve. We are, after all, pushing for improvment.

> >-> > >One person's long and unmanagable is another's >easy-to-find :)
> >-> > >Besides, how is the dynamic loader supposed to find shared >libs if we
> >-> > >scatter them all over creation?
> >-> 
> >-> How is this any different from 300 files in /usr/lib. ld.so finding the
> >-> libs is a detail. Adding lines ld.so.conf would fix most problems.
>
> >Except for compilation.  ld doesn't use /etc/ld.so.cache, so that it
> >can be close to the 'standard' GNU ld.  H.J. Liu &co. have put a fair
> >amount of work into getting closer to the standard GNU stuff.  It just
> >doesn't make sense to start diverging again.

Simply done...change the specs file. 
I see absolutely no reason why GNU can't do its thing and Linux its thing.
I'm treading on thin ice here.... :)

> -> > >This is what user configuration files are for.  If you want a
> -> > >different window manager , it's fairly easy to set up a >.xsession and
> -> > have startx use it.
> -> 
> -> Here again you assume infinite wisdom :).

> >A .xsession is a trivial thing to write, especially of a type close to
> >the default.  It's certainly not significantly more difficult than
> >figuring out what window managers are available.  Granted, I may be a
> >bit out of touch with the standard newbie, but if little things like
> >this are so difficult to find out, maybe there's a need for a more
> >comprehensive 'Linux new user' document, and more obvious pointers to
> >it.

> These changes are necessary. Even documentation cannot make some
> things that are going on clear.

> >Such a project certainly sounds like a more productive and less
> >complex effort than the massive changes that are outlined here, and
> >won't frustrate us oldbies that know where to look for things :)

This is certainly productive. 

> -> > Don't know what you mean by user maintenance, but a printer
> -> > configuration utility would definitely be a good thing. Who wants to
> -> > write it? :)
> -> 
> -> Already written. It has been mentioned to me that Redhat doesn't mind if
> -> we use their stuff.

> >Is the printer config stuff written in python, or in a more reasonable
> >language? :)  Python is huge, and isn't very common in the Real
> >World.  One of the biggest reasons why I didn't like RedHat was how my
> >system ground (8M memory at the time) ground to a halt when I started
> >X because of the size of the python interpreter.  In addition,
> >consider the disk space it takes up.  I don't think that we want to
> >require python to do printer configuration, when otherwise it goes
> >unused.

It requires something possibly a degree worse. TCL/TK. But for a newbie
it might
be a life saver. There is also the possibility of compiling it.







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Jim,

Fvwm-95 is a X window manager that mimics Window 95 interface.

It can be found at:

http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~barth/fvwm95.html

Excerpts from mail: 3-Sep-96 What is fvwm-95 and where c.. Jim
Worthington@worldnet (430*)

> What is fvwm-95 and where can it be found?  From the name, it sounds
> like it might emulate the Windows95 four button window format.  Is this
> the case?  

> Where is fvwm-95 located and what is it's developmental status.

> I prefer the windows 95 window format over most of the X manager formats
> that I have tried.  I particularly like the dedicated exit button.  I'm
> currently running fvwm-2.

> Jim  <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>





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>> In addition, the admin's life would only be made easier.

> "Let's see where is perl stuff....of course: /usr/perl"

Of course it looks easier if you only ask one question.

"Where are the operating system binaries that should go in users'
paths?"

"Where are the standard C++ libraries?  Where is the termcap library?"

"If I want to export all architecture-independent read-only
application data via NFS to both Intel and Alpha machines running
Linux, what directories do I need to export?"

> How is this any different from 300 files in /usr/lib. ld.so finding
> the libs is a detail. Adding lines ld.so.conf would fix most
> problems.

/etc/ld.so.conf lives on client machines; libraries may live on a
server.  It's bad to force people to update configuration files on all
of their clients due to operating system changes.

>>> I think that the user should have the possibility of specifying the
>>> window manager at the startx prompt such as:

startx already takes command-line arguments.  "startx fvwm" already
has a meaning.

> Don't see why these files would have to be changed on a constant
> basis.  Individual users could easily do it in ~/.xsession. System
> admin could remount /usr read-write when he does the
> changes. Negliably harder.

It is not acceptable to put materials under /usr which you expect the
system administrator to need to change in order to configure their
system.  In particular, it means the system administrator can never
know what parts of their system are from the stock OS and what parts
are configuration information they may have modified.

Scripts make a poor configuration language, but if a script is
intended to be modified by the administrator, it belongs under /etc,
not /usr.  "The system admin could remount /usr read-write" misses the
point.

While I'm here, Bruce Pixar wrote:
> How about /usr/lib/i386-elf and /usr/lib/i386-aout?
> That lets you support multiple architectures more easily.

The assumption behind the FHS is that the filesystem is generally
architecture-dependent except for /usr/share and parts of /var (the
parts Thomas Bushnell wants to move into /com).  It makes no sense to
create architecture subdirectories for random things under /usr, or
you'll find tourself with architecture subdirectories of /usr/bin,
/usr/games, /usr/sbin, and so on.

If you're thinking about cross-compilation, then you haven't proposed
a complete solution (you need a place for include files and tools as
well), and the FSF has an existing standard (/usr/<bfd
name>/{bin,lib,include}) which is being used on Linux systems for
building a.out binaries on ELF machines.


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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> What is fvwm-95 and where can it be found?  From the name, it sounds
> like it might emulate the Windows95 four button window format.  Is this
> the case?  

Yes, its bit modified fvwm2. All modifications have been done towards
Windows '95 appearance. fvwm2 usually name taskbar as only improvement,
but there is also one new focusing mode, fvwm menus stay active bit longer
and there are those four buttons on each window title.

> Where is fvwm-95 located and what is it's developmental status.

http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~barth/fvwm95.html is their official WWW page.
Considering debian, situation is currently such that someone is creating
package about it, but it hasn't yet reached unstable level (or just
haven't been mirrored to the sites that I check). However it seems to be
reasonably easy to compile, if you don't mind doing some minor work for
it.

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First of all I'd like to thank you a lot for your advise.

Unfortunately I couldn't get our firewall to let me pass through to
ftp.debian.org using the parameters in dselect's ftp access.

Fortunately control lies in perl scripts. I had to modify those that
call FTP.pm, but then it worked like a charm. I use the original
parameters to log on to our gateway. So I needed to add a 'quote site
some.debian.mirror' and a logon for it.

Thanks a lot to get me going,
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Guy Maor: 
 > > 2. A lot of packages (e.g. magicfilter) recommend pbmlus which isn't
 > > available as a debian package too.
 > 
 > pbmplus was replaced by netpbm.

Hmm. Perhaps some kind soul can make a debian package?!

 > 
 > 
 > Guy
 > 

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It happened to me, that I misconfigured some packages when
installing. Is there a way to repeat the reconfiguration step without
reinstalling the whole package?

Particularly: Is there a tool to manipulate the XF86Config file (as
xf86config from slackware)?

Thanks in advance!

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On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Glenn Bily wrote:

> 5) If a startup shell script for window managers should also be easy to
> add.
> 
> I think that the user should have the possibility of specifying the
> window manager at the startx prompt such as:
> 
>      startx fvwm
>      startx openwin
>      startx fvwm-95
> 
> And have resonable assurances that it will work.
> An additional bonus to this would be allowing root to setup a simple
> table to map the names to various shell scripts that would start the
> window managers. This would allow for practically all contingencies and
> complexities in getting that window manager started. This would also
> allow the package maintainer to move the main window manager binaries
> out of the path and out of harms way.

  This should apply to xdm startup as well.  The current (default) setup for
Debian is parse through /etc/X11/window-managers and execute the first
window manager that it finds (and is installed).  In a larger environment
where you have users that prefer one window manager over another, a
convenient method we use here is to check the user's home directory for
the existance of a special file and start its corresponding WM.
  We could merge both the startx and xdm WM startups by simply modifying
the xinitrc and Xsession scripts to do the following:

 ...
 ... [Initialization stuff]
 ...
if (-e $HOME/.mwm_gui ) then
        set WINMGR = "mwm"
else if (-e $HOME/.twm_gui ) then
        set WINMGR = "twm"
else if (-e $HOME/.olvwm_gui ) then
        set WINMGR = "olvwm"
else if (-e $HOME/.fvwm_gui ) then
        set WINMGR = "fvwm"
else if (-e $HOME/.fvwm2_gui ) then
        set WINMGR = "fvwm2"
endif

# Start up a window manager
switch ($WINMGR)
case mwm:
        /usr/bin/X11/mwm
        breaksw
case twm:
        /usr/bin/X11/twm
        breaksw
case olvwm:
        /usr/bin/X11/olvwm
        breaksw
case fvwm:
        /usr/bin/X11/fvwm
        breaksw
case fvwm2:
        /usr/bin/X11/fvwm2
        breaksw
default: 
        echo "Unsupported window manager: $WINMGR"
        echo "Starting up fvwm as a fall back..."
        /usr/bin/X11/fvwm
        breaksw
endsw

  Note that this is a portion of a csh script, but gives the basic idea.
Not only would this give the _user_ the option of which WM to use, but
this would also be _very_ compatible with other flavors of UNIX as well.
Once you have common X startup files, you can just push the same scripts
to every (Unix) machine on your network (which sys-admins like very much).


-Jason Keimig
-jkeimig@tisl.ukans.edu  http://www.tisl.ukans.edu/~jkeimig
-TiMCAN Project
-University of Kansas
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Hi,
I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters like
\"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
moticed this? And maby has a fix for it?


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On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:
> The current implementation of postgres95 for Debian requires 
> libbsd.so.1.0.0, but the libc5 package includes only libbsd.a.
> (How) can I make libbsd.so.1.0.0 from the .a file?
> (Sorry to be asking what I imagine is such a naive question.)

I have no idea where the libbsd.so.1.0.0 came from.

David
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I touched on this in an earlier message about making a debian box run
headless (turns out the problem I encoutnered was my mistake). Anyway,
it's piqued my curiosity about something:

In debian, /dev/console is generally a symlink to /dev/tty0. I managed to
mess that up so /dev/console linked to /dev/tty1. Most stuff continued to
work fine, the only casulty was my mouse. I have a serial mouse, and I run
gpm and also start up X. This works fine, the 2 don't normally conflict.
If /dev/console is linked to /dev/tty1, though, they do conflict, and X
only gets some of the mouse events it should get, leading to a choppy
mouse movement at best. 

Anyone know why /dev/console is important to gpm or to x in this way? I
don't think it's a bug, I just wanna figure out _why_ this happens..

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        I just had somebody tell me that *NIX mailers (They didn't specify
which one) don't support MIME.  This person claims that the MIME messages
he's been sending through my mail server aren't working because it's a *NIX
host.  This I find hard to swallow.  Could somebody clear this up for me,
DOES smail support MIME?  Thank you for your time.
        

                                                                mike...


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> Guy Maor: 
>
>  > pbmplus was replaced by netpbm.
> 
> Hmm. Perhaps some kind soul can make a debian package?!
> 

Someone did...

bash$  dpkg -s netpbm 
Package: netpbm
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: non-free
Maintainer: Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.edu>
Version: 1994.03.01p1-5
Description: netpbm -- graphics conversion tools.
 Netpbm is a toolkit for conversion of images between a variety of
 different formats, as well as to allow a few basic image operations.
 It is based on the pbmplus distribution.

bash$ 

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     > The browser works fine, but I can't get any java applets to work. I 
     > have > the setting set right and used the package setup that Brian 
     > put together, but something still isn't working. I don't receive any 
     > errors when I aim > at a page that I know has an applet on it, it 
     > just doesn't work. The
     > applet space is blank.
     
     Strangely enough this situation came up on my cluster of ten spark 
     stations. (one disk server {nis} and 9 nis clients)
     
     The root user is able to view java apps no_problem (nice and speedy) 
     however the casual users are getting a blank area for the java app. 
     Java_30 has been moved to all suggested locations for test purposes. 
     
     AND lately when a user tries to view the app the netscape client 
     application crashes, dumping core.


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Is there a simple way to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?

On our Debian system, we have two hard drives.  The primary drive has the
root directory and swap partition and is bootable.  It also contains the
various Debian software packages, programs, libraries, etc.  The second
drive just has the /home directory tree. 

Our problem is that the primary drive is starting to make some "expensive
sounding noises" and may not last much longer.  We would like simply to
migrate the entire system to the second hard drive and disconnect the
first drive.  Is there an easy way to do this without reinstalling the
entire system and fixing up all the configuration files?

Thanks,

//  Tim Egbert
//  Bioengineering Lab, Anesthesiology Department
//  University of Utah Health Sciences Center


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As Mike Wood said:
> 
> 
>         I just had somebody tell me that *NIX mailers (They didn't specify
> which one) don't support MIME.  This person claims that the MIME messages
> he's been sending through my mail server aren't working because it's a *NIX
> host.  This I find hard to swallow.  Could somebody clear this up for me,
> DOES smail support MIME?  Thank you for your time.

To the transport agen (smail, sendmail), the contents of the e-mail message
don't matter.

It's the user agent (pine, elm, mail, xmail) that should decode the MIME
part of your message.
         
> 
>                                                                 mike...
> 

--gilbert
______________________________________________________________________
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University of Texas                     http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
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From: joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl (joost witteveen)
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> 
> Just a user problem I'm sure but when I go to use the make command I get:
> 
> make: makeinfo: Command not found
> make: ******** Error 127
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

Nothing to do with make, or gcc, I'm afraid.

You just don't have the command "makeinfo" installed.
It's in the texinfo package.

Installl texinfo, and you should be OK.

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> 
> On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:
> > The current implementation of postgres95 for Debian requires 
> > libbsd.so.1.0.0, but the libc5 package includes only libbsd.a.
> > (How) can I make libbsd.so.1.0.0 from the .a file?
> > (Sorry to be asking what I imagine is such a naive question.)
> 
> I have no idea where the libbsd.so.1.0.0 came from.

But if you've got the .a file, cannot you make the .so file by:

mkdir t
cd t
ar -x ../libbsd.a
gcc -o libbsd.so.1.0.0 -shared -W,l-soname,libbsd.so.1 *.o

(I may well be _very_ wrong, and please flame me if I am,
but I just _think_ it would work, and it's easy to find out).

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At 07:20 AM 9/3/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Is there a simple way to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
>
>On our Debian system, we have two hard drives.  The primary drive has the
>root directory and swap partition and is bootable.  It also contains the
>various Debian software packages, programs, libraries, etc.  The second
>drive just has the /home directory tree. 
>
>Our problem is that the primary drive is starting to make some "expensive
>sounding noises" and may not last much longer.  We would like simply to
>migrate the entire system to the second hard drive and disconnect the
>first drive.  Is there an easy way to do this without reinstalling the
>entire system and fixing up all the configuration files?
>
>Thanks,
>
>//  Tim Egbert
>//  Bioengineering Lab, Anesthesiology Department
>//  University of Utah Health Sciences Center
>
>
>

I have done this under other flavors of UNIX by doing a full dump
to tape, then doing a fresh install of just a base system, then
doing a full restore from tape.  As I recall, some of the symbolic
links didn't come back right and I had to tweak them manually, but
I got the systems up and running without too much pain.

I am interested to hear others' opinions about this.
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It's unfortunate that the printer config stuff (and other stuff from
Red Hat) is written in TCL/TK. One thing we _don't_ assume is that the
user has X (or even a VGA card - it might be a serial console).

A shell/dialog solution would be much better.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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I am having a problem, probably not unique to Debian, on my Linux
machine.  The problem is the print command produces an error in the
postscript output that will not allow it to print.  When I further
test by printing output to a file, and try to preview with
ghostscript, gs cannot interpret it correctly either.

I have 2.0.17 of the kernel, very current 1.1 Debian distribution, and
v 3.0-elf of netscape.  I first saw the problem in one of the v 3.0
betas, but did not realize it.

Anyone else having a similar problem?  I've seen alot of Java-related
problems on the newsgroups, but not this one.

BTW, all other ps output prints fine to the same printer.

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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Buddha Buck wrote:

> > Guy Maor: 
> >
> >  > pbmplus was replaced by netpbm.
> > 
> > Hmm. Perhaps some kind soul can make a debian package?!
> > 
> 
> Someone did...
> 
> bash$  dpkg -s netpbm 
> Package: netpbm
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: optional
> Section: non-free
> Maintainer: Jim Robinson <jimr@simons-rock.edu>
> Version: 1994.03.01p1-5
> Description: netpbm -- graphics conversion tools.
>  Netpbm is a toolkit for conversion of images between a variety of
>  different formats, as well as to allow a few basic image operations.
>  It is based on the pbmplus distribution.
> 

True, however this package should also say that it provides pbmplus so 
that other packages which require pbmplus will install correctly.  Maybe 
additional links would also be necessary.

Cheers,

Carlo


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> Jason,

> On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Glenn Bily wrote:

> >Debian is parse through /etc/X11/window-managers and execute the first
> window manager that it finds (and is >installed).  In a larger
> environment where you have users that prefer one window manager over
> another, a
> >convenient method we use here is to check the user's home directory for
> the existance of a special file and start its >corresponding WM. We
> could merge both the startx and xdm WM startups by simply modifying the
> xinitrc and >Xsession scripts to do the following:

Your idea is sound. I'm opposed to merging XDM and startx too much. XDM
and startx already share too much to some degree. We need to make
considerations that someone running XDM will not necessarily have
choices of window managers before the session begins. It would be a big
plus if Debian did do that :) (and I have a script that does that) 
Choices of XDM "security" procedures that may want to be added by root
should be considered too. There may be things done on a XDM login that
shouldn't be done with startx. 
As a technicality:
I'd also trade use of /usr/bin/X11 for /usr/X11R6/bin. /usr/bin/X11 is a
symbolic link for backward compatibility.


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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Tim Egbert wrote:

> On our Debian system, we have two hard drives.  The primary drive has the
> root directory and swap partition and is bootable.  It also contains the
> various Debian software packages, programs, libraries, etc.  The second
> drive just has the /home directory tree. 
> 
> Our problem is that the primary drive is starting to make some "expensive
> sounding noises" and may not last much longer.  We would like simply to
> migrate the entire system to the second hard drive and disconnect the
> first drive.  Is there an easy way to do this without reinstalling the
> entire system and fixing up all the configuration files?

	I've used dd() to essentially do the same thing, but only in cases
where the system partitions I've copied have been of the same size.  I'll
describe the situation I've used:

/dev/hd*1 is a 32-meg swap partition
/dev/hd*2 is a 815-meg ext2 partition
/dev/hd*3 is a 70?-meg partition for NT (currently unused)

	With the active partition being /dev/hda, I'll attach the target
drive as /dev/hdc, bring the system up, and execute 

    'dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/dev/hdc2' 

to do the copy.  Because the source partition is active when the duplication
is done, you'll need to "fisk" the target partition, a la

    'e2fsck /dev/hdc2' 

afterward.  I've shut the machine down, put /dev/hdc back into its own
machine as /dev/hda, bring it back up, and modify /etc/hostname,
/etc/init.d/network, and a number of other files to give the target machine
its own identity.  (Presumably, you won't have to change any files in this
manner.)  
	I don't know what would happen if the source and target partitions
aren't of the same size.  Some pretty nasty things are probably possible,
but all of my partitions were identical.


David winters+@cs.cmu.edu
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Hi,

> Anyone know why /dev/console is important to gpm or to x in this way? I
> don't think it's a bug, I just wanna figure out _why_ this happens..

I reported it to the Maintainer and Upstream deveoper already. GPM should
use /dev/tty0 instead of /dev/console, since /dev/console might be pointing
to other hardware some times. Should be fixed in recent Packages?

Greetings
Bernd


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> Is there a simple way to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
> 
> On our Debian system, we have two hard drives.  The primary drive has the
> root directory and swap partition and is bootable.  It also contains the
> various Debian software packages, programs, libraries, etc.  The second
> drive just has the /home directory tree. 
> 
> Our problem is that the primary drive is starting to make some "expensive
> sounding noises" and may not last much longer.  We would like simply to
> migrate the entire system to the second hard drive and disconnect the
> first drive.  Is there an easy way to do this without reinstalling the
> entire system and fixing up all the configuration files?

My suggestion, since you already have the 2 drives on the machine, is to
use "cp -a -x" to copy all of / over to the other drive. Of course, the
second drive will be mounted somewhere, like /mnt. I believe that the -x
option will make cp ignore the second hard drive, and just copy the root
partition over. The -a will make it handle all the symlinks and special
files properly. I've done similar things with cp -a -x, and it always
worked fine. 

Of course, once you get it copies over, you'll need to make sure that lilo
is installed on the MBR (or whatever) of the second drive so you can boot
from it.

-- 
#!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj #  RSA-3-lines-perl
$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 #         Joey Hess
lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)   # jeh22@cornell.edu
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On 11:20:51 Tim Egbert wrote:
>>Is there a simple way to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
>
>On our Debian system, we have two hard drives.  The primary drive has the
>root directory and swap partition and is bootable.  It also contains the
>various Debian software packages, programs, libraries, etc.  The second
>drive just has the /home directory tree. 
>
Tim,
This question of replicating a filesystem is one that comes up often.  I use
cpio to do this, and so far its been flawless for me.  It creates an exact 
duplicate of a filesystem, and the following command preserves file access
times, symlinks, etc.  Works nice, and its simple.  Just cd to the root of the
filesystem you wish to duplicate, and issues the following command:

# find . -depth | cpio -pdmv /target_directory

This is based on cpio's "pass thru" mode.  Everything appearing on stdin
goes to stdout....

Paul


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I found gs_4.01 on the non-free directory but it
depends on gsfonts_4.01 and libpaper_1.0 or higher.
Where can I find these?
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On Sun, 01 Sep 1996 11:12:42 +0300 Linus Torvalds (torvalds@cs.Helsink
i.FI) wrote:

> In my never-ending battle to make the kernel behave well by default without
> needing "irqtune" (which is very setup-specific, and as such not something
> the kernel can do automatically), I was thinking of doing interrupt priority
> rotations instead of the current fixed mode. 

Just to tell you that this patch gave me the same effect as irqtune did before: full serial speed. Actually, I applied the 2.0.17 patch which contained this small patch.
I'm glad this thing's in the kernel now.

Phil.



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I thought it would be fun to build fvwm95, so I got the file
fvwm95-2_0_42a-Autoconf.tar, unpacked it, did the ./configure
and then the make.  I got lots of interesting but not very
funny messages like:

gcc -o FvwmIconMan FvwmIconMan.o fvwm.o globals.o winlist.o xmanager.o
-L../../libs -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lfvwm95-2 -lXpm -lXext -lX11 
ld: cannot open -lfvwm95-2: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [FvwmIconMan] Error 1

and

FvwmButtons.c:41: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [FvwmButtons.o] Error 1

I assume the first message is complaining about not being able
to find the fvwm95-2 libs, right?  Not sure about the second
message.

The  /usr/src/fvwm95-2.0.42a  directory looks like this:

Fvwm.tmpl          config.cache       docs              
icons              modules
INSTALL            config.log         example.fvwm2rc95 
include            sample.fvwmrc
Makefile           config.status      fvwm              
install-sh         utils
Makefile.in        configure          fvwm2.BUGS        
libs               xpmroot
README             configure.in       fvwm95-2.xx.lsm    mini-icons


Did I get the wrong file?  Can anyone suggest what I should do?  (to
make this work,
that is !!!)

Thanks!
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I got fvwm-95 but I can't get it to compile under Debian 1.1:

    It's complaining about a missing file:  xpm.h

    and a missing library:  Xpm

Is there a debian package for this xpm stuff?  
Where do I Look?
Where do I install it? (if not Debian)
Has anybody got fvwm-95 to compile?  
What did you have to do to make it run?

Thanks,

Jim  <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>



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What is the present status of WABI for Linux?

How well does it perform?

Thanks,

Jim


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By the way, as for xpm.h missing, I already installed
xpm4.7-3.4g-5.deb, so not sure where this file is supposed
to be.  Did a find, and it is not on my machine...
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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

|>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 23:19:37 -0400
|>From: Jim Worthington <jworthington@worldnet.att.net>
|>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: I got fvwm-95 but can't get it to compile under Debian 1.1
|>
|>I got fvwm-95 but I can't get it to compile under Debian 1.1:
|>
|>    It's complaining about a missing file:  xpm.h
|>
|>    and a missing library:  Xpm
|>
|>Is there a debian package for this xpm stuff?  
|>Where do I Look?
|>Where do I install it? (if not Debian)
|>Has anybody got fvwm-95 to compile?  
|>What did you have to do to make it run?
xpm.h is in pkg xpm4.7-dev 
filename: buzz/binary-i386/x11/xpm4.7-dev-3.4g-5.deb
msdos-filename: buzz/msdos-i386/x11/xpm47-dv.deb

there is verry good file "Contens" shows the Contens of all debian pkg
try it the next time u whana find somthing
Good Luck :-)
-----------------------
Package: xpm4.7-dev
priority: optional
section: x11
maintainer: Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu>
version: 3.4g-5
depends: xpm4.7, libc5-dev, xdevel
conflicts: xpm-dev
provides: xpm-dev
filename: buzz/binary-i386/x11/xpm4.7-dev-3.4g-5.deb
msdos-filename: buzz/msdos-i386/x11/xpm47-dv.deb
size: 30848
md5sum: 914c2ce463dbda0fe388240fd60428df
description: XPM library developer's files.
 XPM (X PixMap) is a format for storing and retrieving pixmaps to
 and from files.  This package includes header files and necessary
 symlinks for creating programs that use the XPM libraries.
architecture: i386
source: xpm 3.4g-5
-----------------------

Regards 
borik
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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:
oh very sorry
it's Contents , not Contens
excuse my English
talking to u from Israel

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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, joost witteveen wrote:

> But if you've got the .a file, cannot you make the .so file by:
> 
> mkdir t
> cd t
> ar -x ../libbsd.a
> gcc -o libbsd.so.1.0.0 -shared -W,l-soname,libbsd.so.1 *.o

Unless the .o files were compiled with -fpic, you'd have an unsharable
shared lib - not a very useful thing.


Guy


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From: joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl (joost witteveen)
> But if you've got the .a file, cannot you make the .so file by:
>
> mkdir t
> cd t
> ar -x ../libbsd.a
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> 
> (I may well be _very_ wrong, and please flame me if I am,
> but I just _think_ it would work, and it's easy to find out).

This does not work because the contents of the .a file are not
position-independent code. This is why there is a libc-pic and
ncurses3.0-pic packages - They contain .a files of position-independent
code. I needed them to build special shared library versions for the
base system.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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When replicating a system between two partitions, the thing most often
missed is that you must preserve symbolic links instead of copying them
as files. It's also important to preserve the ownership and permissions
of files, and obscure things like the setuid bits, character and block
special files, and named pipes.

I generally use this:

	cd /old_partition
	tar cf - . | (cd /new_partition; tar xvlpf -)

Note the "p" flag to the extracting tar. You must be "su"-ed to root
while doing this. See how each side of the pipe has a different
current directory?

	Thanks

	Bruce


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joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl (joost witteveen) writes:
(snip)
> You just don't have the command "makeinfo" installed.
> It's in the texinfo package.
> 
> Installl texinfo, and you should be OK.
> 

Or, emacs can do the job, if you have it.  (And what are you making?
I've always run into this building emacs-related packages, so I'm
guessing you have it, but perhaps it shows up far afield.)

The makefile you're using should have an entry like

	MAKEINFO      = makeinfo   

and perhaps also 

	EMACS = emacs 

which you could add, if not.  

Change the first to 

	MAKEINFO      = $(EMACS) -batch -q -f batch-texinfo-format

and it will run emacs in batch (non-interactive) mode to do the job.

Does that fit?

-- 

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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Derek Lee wrote:

> I found gs_4.01 on the non-free directory but it
> depends on gsfonts_4.01 and libpaper_1.0 or higher.
> Where can I find these?

In the unstable tree..


Guy


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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

|>When replicating a system between two partitions, the thing most often
|>missed is that you must preserve symbolic links instead of copying them
|>as files. It's also important to preserve the ownership and permissions
|>of files, and obscure things like the setuid bits, character and block
|>special files, and named pipes.
|>
|>I generally use this:
|>
|>	cd /old_partition
|>	tar cf - . | (cd /new_partition; tar xvlpf -)
|>
|>Note the "p" flag to the extracting tar. You must be "su"-ed to root
|>while doing this. See how each side of the pipe has a different
|>current directory?
|>
|>	Thanks
|>
|>	Bruce
u can also do it with `cp` - i did that (even moved my /dev)
for any other info plz refer to `man cp` [ I don't remmeber! :-) ] 
just saying it's possible :-)
Regards
borik


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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 01 Sep 1996 11:12:42 +0300 Linus Torvalds (torvalds@cs.Helsink
> i.FI) wrote:
> 
> > In my never-ending battle to make the kernel behave well by default without
> > needing "irqtune" (which is very setup-specific, and as such not something
> > the kernel can do automatically), I was thinking of doing interrupt priority
> > rotations instead of the current fixed mode. 
> 
> Just to tell you that this patch gave me the same effect as irqtune did
> before: full serial speed. Actually, I applied the 2.0.17 patch which
> contained this small patch. 
>
> I'm glad this thing's in the kernel now.

I have one report of a hung kernel at bogomips time, which seems to indicate
that the priority rotations do not work at all with certain chipsets
(probably a buggy interrupt controller). I may have to revert to the
non-rotating version after all. 

Damn.

		Linus


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In article <322CEFDD.D5DD45B@aimnet.com>, Ken Gaugler  <keng@aimnet.com> wrote:
>I thought it would be fun to build fvwm95, so I got the file
>fvwm95-2_0_42a-Autoconf.tar, unpacked it, did the ./configure
>and then the make.  I got lots of interesting but not very
>funny messages like:
>
>gcc -o FvwmIconMan FvwmIconMan.o fvwm.o globals.o winlist.o xmanager.o
>-L../../libs -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lfvwm95-2 -lXpm -lXext -lX11 
>ld: cannot open -lfvwm95-2: No such file or directory
>make[2]: *** [FvwmIconMan] Error 1

This sounds like some sort of error in the Makefile.  Maybe that
-L../../libs is wrong?

>and
>
>FvwmButtons.c:41: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory
>make[2]: *** [FvwmButtons.o] Error 1

That sounds like you haven't got the xpm development package
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and use anything that uses xpm (like fvwm).

Tim.


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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:

> u can also do it with `cp` - i did that (even moved my /dev)

cp -a is the easiest way to duplicate something.


       -a, --archive
              Preserve  as  much as possible of the structure and
              attributes of the original files in the copy.   The
              same as -dpR.


Guy


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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

Hello Guy,

> > u can also do it with `cp` - i did that (even moved my /dev)
> 
> cp -a is the easiest way to duplicate something.
> 
> 
>        -a, --archive
>               Preserve  as  much as possible of the structure and
>               attributes of the original files in the copy.   The
>               same as -dpR.
> 


Nono no no... please don't rely on such features of GNU software. This
will NOT work with a generic cp on other systems. Please use either a
piped tar or a cpio,afio or whatever else. The cp method mentioned above
is definitely not the way to solve such general unix administration tasks.

su
cd /
find -not -regex "^\./desireddir/.* -not -regex "^\./mnt/.*" | afio -p
/mnt

or with the more widely used cpio

'find . -depth | cpio -pdmv /target_directory' 

where target_directory is your mounted new partition. 

This procedure even works over network connection WITHOUT the use of NFS
if your'e using rsh and named pipes. Thus the usage of tapedrives on
another machine is possible.

Greetings,

Steffen
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Bruce Perens wrote:

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> 	cd /old_partition
> 	tar cf - . | (cd /new_partition; tar xvlpf -)
> 

Watch out so you don't run into an infinite loop:
Suppose that you mount the target disk on /mnt, then 
"cd /
tar cf - . | (cd /mnt; tar xvlpf -)" 
would copy some things to /mnt then copy /mnt/* to /mnt/mnt/ and so on.



Recursive,

							MartinS



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I'm surprised this important question has run for so long. Is it in a
Linux FAQ?

Anyhow, here's my contribution ( hopefully this'll wrap it up ;-> ):

   cd /; find . -path ./mnt -prune -o print | cpio -pdxm /mnt

This copies the whole disk to the mount point /mnt, avoiding the
recursive traversal and preserving device files, links and modification
times.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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> What is the present status of WABI for Linux?

I've built "wine" package for debian and update it occasionally.

> How well does it perform?

Pretty lousy.  It's _very_ alpha.  It runs most of the windows applets
okay, but no real apps that I know of.

You can find it in project/experimental.
                                             
                                          Brian
                                 ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
                                             
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Steffen Mueller wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:35:25 +0200 (MET DST)
|>From: Steffen Mueller <steffen@xlink.net>
|>To: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
|>Cc: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>Subject: RE: How to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
|>
|>On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Guy Maor wrote:
|>
|>Hello Guy,
|>
|>> > u can also do it with `cp` - i did that (even moved my /dev)
|>> 
|>> cp -a is the easiest way to duplicate something.
|>> 
|>> 
|>>        -a, --archive
|>>               Preserve  as  much as possible of the structure and
|>>               attributes of the original files in the copy.   The
|>>               same as -dpR.
|>> 
|>
|>
|>Nono no no... please don't rely on such features of GNU software. This
|>will NOT work with a generic cp on other systems. Please use either a
|>piped tar or a cpio,afio or whatever else. The cp method mentioned above
|>is definitely not the way to solve such general unix administration tasks.
|>
|>su
|>cd /
|>find -not -regex "^\./desireddir/.* -not -regex "^\./mnt/.*" | afio -p
|>/mnt
|>
|>or with the more widely used cpio
|>
|>'find . -depth | cpio -pdmv /target_directory' 
|>
|>where target_directory is your mounted new partition. 
|>
|>This procedure even works over network connection WITHOUT the use of NFS
|>if your'e using rsh and named pipes. Thus the usage of tapedrives on
|>another machine is possible.
|>
i am telling ya - i moved all my root dir exept /usr from one part to
another...
it worked
i didn't do it with cp -a
there are alot more options that i used , i just don't remmeber them now ,
if u realy want - i can do `man cp` and find out
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:

Hello Boris,

> i am telling ya - i moved all my root dir exept /usr from one part to
> another...
> it worked
> i didn't do it with cp -a
> there are alot more options that i used , i just don't remmeber them now ,
> if u realy want - i can do `man cp` and find out

Sure on a Linux system that might work. But try that on say a SCO
Openserver. No change. I'm also a system administrator and have to deal
with serveral unix falvours... I LOVE my Linux box... but I have to be
aware that many features I have there aren't available on other systems
NOT GNU equiped.

Greetings,

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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Steffen Mueller wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:36:44 +0200 (MET DST)
|>From: Steffen Mueller <steffen@xlink.net>
|>To: borik the Boris Yati Beletsky <borik@isracom.co.il>
|>Cc: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>,
|>    Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>Subject: RE: How to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
|>
|>On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
|>
|>Hello Boris,
|>
|>> i am telling ya - i moved all my root dir exept /usr from one part to
|>> another...
|>> it worked
|>> i didn't do it with cp -a
|>> there are alot more options that i used , i just don't remmeber them now ,
|>> if u realy want - i can do `man cp` and find out
|>
|>Sure on a Linux system that might work. But try that on say a SCO
|>Openserver. No change. I'm also a system administrator and have to deal
|>with serveral unix falvours... I LOVE my Linux box... but I have to be
|>aware that many features I have there aren't available on other systems
|>NOT GNU equiped.
|>
|>Greetings,
|>
|>Steffen
sure
ofcourse
but the q was about Linux (i am also LOVE Linux)
so... if u can use Linux(GNU) resourses - why not ? :-)
p.s. am also a sysadmin - starting one :-) (on linux for now - but warked
on
sparcs and co.)

Regards
borik
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Brian C. White wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:18:38 -0400
|>From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
|>To: jworthington@worldnet.att.net
|>Cc: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>Subject: Re: WABI
|>
|>> What is the present status of WABI for Linux?
|>
|>I've built "wine" package for debian and update it occasionally.
i am sorry
just interested , where can i get this pkg?
thks for u're time
borik


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Hi,
---- DOSEMU --------
I installed (not without some minor problems) dosemu_0.60.1-3.deb 
yesterday. It couldn't boot from the real floppy so I had to create an
image of it in /var/lib/dosemu/bdisk as suggested in the config.dist -> 
renamed to /etc/dosemu.conf. I also had to modify the latter to boot from 
the floopy image instead of booting from the real the floppy. Then I 
managed to boot from the hdimage, but still have problems to recognize the 
floppy when I "dir a:" dosemu dies. 
Q: Any suggestion?

Besides I had some problems when running xdos or dos -X in an xterm. It 
doesn't recognize all the keys. I think it can be related to some of the 
problems I had with the linux binary midnight commander running in an xterm 
(absent when running on a linux console). 

Q:Has anybody experience the same? May that be related to a bad terminfo 
database?



---- BOCHS -------
There was an interesting article (IMO well written) by the developer of 
bochs in the September issue of the Linux Journal. It is a CPU independent 32 
bit dos emulator w 80086/80286 instruction set support. It is shareware: 25 US$.
http://world.std.com/~bochs is the link to get it.

Q:Has anybody out there tried/debian-packaged it?  and, How stable is it? 

lazaro <salem@rf.no>





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Hi,
      ---- DOSEMU --------
I installed (not without some minor problems) dosemu_0.60.1-3.deb 
yesterday. It couldn't boot from the real floppy so I had to create an
image of it in /var/lib/dosemu/bdisk as suggested in the config.dist -> 
renamed to /etc/dosemu.conf. I also had to modify the latter to boot from 
the floopy image instead of booting from the real the floppy. Then I 
managed to boot from the hdimage, but still have problems to recognize the 
floppy when I "dir a:" dosemu dies. 
Q: Any suggestion?

Besides I had some problems when running xdos or dos -X in an xterm. It 
doesn't recognize all the keys. I think it can be related to some of the 
problems I had with the linux binary midnight commander running in an xterm 
(absent when running on a linux console). 

Q:Has anybody experience the same? May that be related to a bad terminfo 
database?

      ---- BOCHS -------
There was an interesting article (IMO well written) by the developer of 
bochs in the September issue of the Linux Journal. It is a CPU independent 32 
bit dos emulator w 80086/80286 instruction set support. It is shareware: 25 US$.
http://world.std.com/~bochs is the link to get it.

Q:Has anybody out there tried/debian-packaged it?  and, How stable is it? 

lazaro <salem@rf.no>



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Yesterday I installed the Debian-1.1.4 ditributiion as found on the
last Infomagic 6 CD's set on my no-name Pentium 100Mhz system.
After selecting the packages and resolving dependency conflict by
dselect, I selected the "Install" menu command.
dselect then tried to install gcc at first, but complained on not
having the binutils already installed on the system. I went back to
the "Select" mode and I checked if binutils were selected. They were
selected, but I did not find any way to have them installed before
gcc. The FAQ mentions a "pre-depend", but it does not explain tell
how and where enforce it.
Finally I tried this hack: I just installed the binutils package
with dpkg from another console terminal, and when I reinstalled the
whole system all went smoothly!
As this is my first Debian installation I'd like to know if this
a normal situation or not.

Thanks in advance,

-Arrigo

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Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote:
> 
> As Mike Wood said:
> > 
> > DOES smail support MIME?  Thank you for your time.
> 
> To the transport agen (smail, sendmail), the contents of the e-mail message
> don't matter.
> 
> It's the user agent (pine, elm, mail, xmail) that should decode the MIME
> part of your message.
>          

Just a guess here -- it may be that the user complaining about *NIX
boxes not processing MIME mail correctly is sending eight-bit data.
The original SMTP specification allowed only a seven-bit character set,
but more recently an extended version called ESMTP has made it possible
to negotiate for an eight-bit transfer.  Unfortunately not all *NIX
systems are running mail transfer agents which support ESMTP; one SMTP
transfer agent along the way messes up eight-bit data unrecoverably.

(Please -- don't let me restart the flame war on this topic from which
I learned so much.  It's all been said....)

What is the user complaining about MIME problems running as a mail user
agent?  I suspect that some M$DOS mailers may casually send eight-bit
data in violation of the applicable Internet standards.

-- 
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:50:58 +0300 (IDT)
|>From: borik the Boris Yati Beletsky <borik@isracom.co.il>
|>To: Steffen Mueller <steffen@xlink.net>
|>Cc: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>,
|>    Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>Subject: RE: How to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
|>
|>On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Steffen Mueller wrote:
|>
|>|>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:36:44 +0200 (MET DST)
|>|>From: Steffen Mueller <steffen@xlink.net>
|>|>To: borik the Boris Yati Beletsky <borik@isracom.co.il>
|>|>Cc: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>,
|>|>    Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>|>Subject: RE: How to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
|>|>
|>|>On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
|>|>
|>|>Hello Boris,
|>|>
|>|>> i am telling ya - i moved all my root dir exept /usr from one part to
|>|>> another...
|>|>> it worked
|>|>> i didn't do it with cp -a
|>|>> there are alot more options that i used , i just don't remmeber them now ,
|>|>> if u realy want - i can do `man cp` and find out
|>|>
|>|>Sure on a Linux system that might work. But try that on say a SCO
|>|>Openserver. No change. I'm also a system administrator and have to deal
|>|>with serveral unix falvours... I LOVE my Linux box... but I have to be
|>|>aware that many features I have there aren't available on other systems
|>|>NOT GNU equiped.
|>|>
|>|>Greetings,
|>|>
|>|>Steffen
uhh
ppl. u all got me wrong
i don't trying to argue about this `cp` thing,
just worked for me - and because of that i am telling this
i just said that as an option - maybe not good one :-)
sorry :-) *bow*
Reagrds
borik

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In your email to me, David Gaudine, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> > Please read the documentation provided. (man mgetty and look into
> > /usr/doc/mgetty!)
> 
> I have no /usr/doc/mgetty, that was my first problem.
> "dpkg --contents mgetty_0.99.deb" and "dpkg --search mgetty" both can't
> find it.  There is only /usr/doc/copyright/mgetty.
> 
> Did you mean /usr/info?  That seems to have the same information as Gert's
> Postscript file, which is what I used for my successful Slackware
> installation.  Following that info is complicated a bit by not having
> "policy.h".
> 
> > David Gaudine (david@annette.concordia.ca) wrote:
> > : 
> > : 2) What should the line in /etc/inittab be?  I'm using
> > :        d3:45:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS2
> > :    because this is what worked with Slackware.
> 
> "man mgetty" and "info mgetty" give no hint about whether "d3:45" is
> correct.  Can somebody tell me what line works for them?
> 
> I realize I'm missing something obvious, since I've been reading
> the debian and mgetty mailing lists for months and nobody else seems to
> have such basic problems.

Actually, you can look at a page I put up:

http://www.buoy.com/isp

Follow the mgetty link. It mainly deals with compiling, but there is
a config section.

Tim

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     Hello all ...
     
     I'm getting the following information upon bootup of my debian box. 
     The console seems to work fine... Can anyone tell me if I should be 
     concerned with the information below - and how to fix it ???
     
     Console setup:
      Linking /dev/console to
      cannot open file N
      Cannot open font file N
     run-parts: /etc/rc.boot/0kbd exited with return code 1
     
     Thanx in advance ...


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I got rid of the xpm errors by installing xpm4.7-dev-3.4g-5.deb.
fvwm95 compiled producing only one error:

   It's complaining about a missing "rplay" library

Where can this package be found?

I do not have operational sound under Linux. (I don't really care right
now -- thats a lower priority issue)

I tried running fvwm95 but it crashed on startup producing no messages.
Is it likely that the missing rplay library is the cause?

Jim


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borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Brian C. White wrote:
> 
> |>To: jworthington@worldnet.att.net
> |>Subject: Re: WABI
> |>
> |>> What is the present status of WABI for Linux?
> |>
> |>I've built "wine" package for debian and update it occasionally.
> i am sorry
> just interested , where can i get this pkg?
> thks for u're time
> borik

I stumbled across a newsgroup called linux.dev.wabi.  I didn't see any
mention of wine, but I did get the impression that Sun wabi software was
being recompiled for Linux.  At the time I thought that it was strange
that Sun would release their source code but perhaps they were looking
for beta testers.  It was late, I'm not really sure what I saw, but I
thought that there were pointers to a Sun site, presumably to get the
source code.

Jim



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Bruce Perens writes:
> It's unfortunate that the printer config stuff (and other stuff from
> Red Hat) is written in TCL/TK. One thing we _don't_ assume is that the
> user has X (or even a VGA card - it might be a serial console).
> 
> A shell/dialog solution would be much better.

There is a curses-based version of Tk, but I don't have any idea of
how well it works.

David
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joost witteveen writes:
> > > The current implementation of postgres95 for Debian requires 
> > > libbsd.so.1.0.0, but the libc5 package includes only libbsd.a.
> > > (How) can I make libbsd.so.1.0.0 from the .a file?
> > > (Sorry to be asking what I imagine is such a naive question.)
> > 
> > I have no idea where the libbsd.so.1.0.0 came from.
> 
> But if you've got the .a file, cannot you make the .so file by:
> ...

Guy already answered the part about building a shared library.

> (I may well be _very_ wrong, and please flame me if I am,
> but I just _think_ it would work, and it's easy to find out).

My point was that somebody built a package that uses a shared library
that we don't even provide.  IMO, finding out, what it is, where it
came from and why it was used is more important than making a shared
version of the libbsd.a provided by libc.

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Hello Joey,

> Anyone know why /dev/console is important to gpm or to x in this way? I
> don't think it's a bug, I just wanna figure out _why_ this happens..

This is a bug in GPM which i (informally) brought up in connection
with support of serial console devices on debian-devel some time ago.

GPM needs to access the Virtual Console Master (= /dev/tty0). But since
/dev/tty0 was a symlink to /dev/console in the early years of Linux, the
author assumed that /dev/console is the VC master. Now it's the other
way round /dev/console -> /dev/tty0. That is the reason that this bug
goes unnoticed for most of the Debian users.  If you happen to use a
Serial Console device than GPM won't even start ...  The same is true
for SVGAlib applications and some of the X-Servers.

So the bug is easy to fix: Just substitute /dev/console with /dev/tty0
in the sources.  (I have cc-ed this to the package maintainer, because
i think he will fix it without a formal bug report :)

Cheers,
  Dominik

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     Hello all ...
     
     Can someone please help me resolve some (or all) of these missing 
     fonts?
     
     I get the following messages after running xinit, and then starting 
     
     fvwm and fvwm2 reports:
     can't get font -adobe-times-bold-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
     can't get font -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
     can't get font -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
     
     gwm - reports:
     Cannot find font *-helvetica-bold-o-normal--18-*
     Cannot find font *-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*
     Cannot find font *-times-bold-r-normal--18-*
     Cannot find font *-symbol-medium-r-normal--14-*
     
     Later - if I decide to start netscape, I get :
     Warning: Cannot convert string 
     "-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
     Warning: Cannot convert string 
     "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
     Warning: Cannot convert string 
     "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
     Warning: Cannot convert string 
     "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
     Warning: Cannot convert string 
     "-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
     Warning: Cannot convert string 
     "-*-helvetica-medium-o-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
     
     Thanx in advance.


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> Your idea is sound. I'm opposed to merging XDM and startx too much. XDM
> and startx already share too much to some degree. We need to make
> considerations that someone running XDM will not necessarily have
> choices of window managers before the session begins. It would be a big
> plus if Debian did do that :) (and I have a script that does that) 

There is a tool in the X11 contrib which allows you exactly that, it's
called xsession.  In addition you can preprocess the WM configuration
either with CPP or M4 (yes, i know fvwm* can do this, but on the other
hand twm and mwm can not!) and start applications from the menu bar, leaving
you the mouse buttons free for more important stuff than launching apps.

Cheers,
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From: Dominik Kubla <kubla@netz.klinik.uni-mainz.de>
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Hi Joost,

you wrote:
> But if you've got the .a file, cannot you make the .so file by:
> 
> mkdir t
> cd t
> ar -x ../libbsd.a
> gcc -o libbsd.so.1.0.0 -shared -W,l-soname,libbsd.so.1 *.o
> 
> (I may well be _very_ wrong, and please flame me if I am,
> but I just _think_ it would work, and it's easy to find out).

Ahm, you are wrong:
To build shared libs the object files need to be compiled with -fpic which
results in position independend code.

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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Me wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:34:35 -0600
|>From: Me <marcus@starnetinc.com>
|>To: Debain <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>Subject: emacs troubles
|>
|>I'm trying to install emacs. Why, I don't know. I can't find the
|>'elf-x11r6lib'. I shouldn't need Xwindows to run this do I?
|>Just need pointing in the right direction.
emacs is an editor with text/graphic interface
so u can compile emacs with out graphic-x interface
or! u can just d/l the pkg xlib (./x11) and install it - emacs is not the only
one app that have text/x interface , u whould have the same prob with ytalk
but u can always get the src (well almoust) and compile it with out the Xlib
needed.
one or the other
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Me wrote:

> I'm trying to install emacs. Why, I don't know. I can't find the
> 'elf-x11r6lib'. I shouldn't need Xwindows to run this do I?
> Just need pointing in the right direction.

Install the package 'xlib'.

- From Packages.gz:
Package: xlib
[...]
section: x11
depends: libc5, ldso (>=1.7.14-1)
conflicts: elf-x11r6lib
provides: xR6shlib, xlibraries, elf-x11r6lib
[...]
description: XFree86 3.1.2 shared libraries
[...]
replaces: elf-x11r6lib
[...]

Vad.

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I get the same thing but I don't worry about it and everything seems to
work.


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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 David_Oswald@prenhall.com wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:17:57 -0700
|>From: David_Oswald@prenhall.com
|>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: help - cant find fonts ...
|>
|>     Hello all ...
|>     
|>     Can someone please help me resolve some (or all) of these missing 
|>     fonts?
|>     
|>     I get the following messages after running xinit, and then starting 
|>     
|>     fvwm and fvwm2 reports:
|>     can't get font -adobe-times-bold-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
|>     can't get font -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
|>     can't get font -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
|>     
|>     gwm - reports:
|>     Cannot find font *-helvetica-bold-o-normal--18-*
|>     Cannot find font *-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*
|>     Cannot find font *-times-bold-r-normal--18-*
|>     Cannot find font *-symbol-medium-r-normal--14-*
|>     
|>     Later - if I decide to start netscape, I get :
|>     Warning: Cannot convert string 
|>     "-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
|>     Warning: Cannot convert string 
|>     "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
|>     Warning: Cannot convert string 
|>     "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
|>     Warning: Cannot convert string 
|>     "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
|>     Warning: Cannot convert string 
|>     "-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
|>     Warning: Cannot convert string 
|>     "-*-helvetica-medium-o-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
|>     
|>     Thanx in advance.
|>
1)didn't install all the xfnt pkgs
prob forgot the xfnt100 and xfnt70
this pkg are in ./x11 dir 
2)maybe u did install them but exclude them from /etc/X11/XF86Config , look
at the beginning of the file
-------------------------------
one or the other
Good Luck

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: BTW, should I go hunting for a Pine debian package or just go and compile
: it myself? I couldn't find it on my cdrom with Debian 1.1.4... :/
: Is it a licensing problem or finding a maintainer problem?
Its a licensing problem. The debian packages are in the non-free section on
ftp.debian.org or ftp.fuller.edu. You might want to download the complete section
since those packets cannot be put on a CD.


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> 
> Nono no no... please don't rely on such features of GNU software. This
> will NOT work with a generic cp on other systems. Please use either a
> piped tar or a cpio,afio or whatever else. The cp method mentioned above
> is definitely not the way to solve such general unix administration tasks.
> 
>

I don't agree with the above (if you have a choice).

In the Unix-haters guide, they raised some good points, but most of them
had be addressed by free software.

On my sun, the only thing its software is good for is bootstrapping other
packages (I rarely use sun cc -- I don't even know what the sun debugger
is called anymore (dbx?)  

Doing cp -a -x / mnt is the way I prefer to move /.

A piped tar method is good for understand how it works academically, but I'd
rather not type it in .

Any since this is debian-users not unix-questions, GNU cp is one of the
bests ways,  but not portable.



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Has anyone succeeded in getting the latest versions of
Dosemu to work? I can successfully compile, but can't
insmod emumodule. Insmod dumps fifteen or so lines saying:

xxxxx undefined
...
Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.7) don't
match your linux-2.0.7

What's going on?? Seems as if there are some system modules
( I use a very modularized kernel ) which are not loaded.
However, I use kerneld, so all neccessary mods should be there.

Someone please help!!

Thanx... :-)


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I'm trying to install emacs. Why, I don't know. I can't find the
'elf-x11r6lib'. I shouldn't need Xwindows to run this do I?
Just need pointing in the right direction.

Thanks.


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[installation of gcc fails due to binutils dependency that dselect should
 have taken care of]

I had this happen to me with two system installations I was running of
1.1.4 (from a CD I wrote a few weeks ago). Has anyone seen this on a
later system than 1.1.4?

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:04:06 CDT David Engel (david@elo.ods.com) 
wrote:

> Bruce Perens writes:
> > It's unfortunate that the printer config stuff (and other stuff from
> > Red Hat) is written in TCL/TK. One thing we _don't_ assume is that the
> > user has X (or even a VGA card - it might be a serial console).
> > 
> > A shell/dialog solution would be much better.
> 
> There is a curses-based version of Tk, but I don't have any idea of
> how well it works.

Do you know where we could find this thing ? Might be interesting...

Phil.



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I knew I was keeping this around for a reason...

> Subject: Wabi on Linux
:
: Info on Wabi for Linux:
:
: -----------------------------------------
: The Caldera Solutions CD
:
: Wabi will ship on the Caldera Solutions CD, which will be included
: with every shipment of the Caldera Network Desktop. The
: CD-ROM contains mainstream applications, including WordPerfect,
: CorelDRAW and Delrina Forms Flow Filler, ported to Caldera's
: Linux platform by both Caldera and its Independent Vendor Partners.
: Customers can easily purchase and unlock these products, including
: Wabi, directly from the CD-ROM using GLOBEtrotter's FLEXlm
: license manager software. By placing their products on the Caldera
: Solutions CD, Caldera's third-party development partners can offer
: products on the industry's first commodity-priced UNIX-based
: platform. These applications will ship on a single CD-ROM, from
: which System Integrators, VARs and consultants can purchase and
: install from the CD-ROM the combination of software that meets
: the unique needs of each customer.
:
: Availability and Pricing
:
: Caldera plans to ship Wabi on the Caldera Solutions CD during the
: next quarter. Wabi on the Caldera Solutions CD will sell for less
: than $200.
:
: -----------------------------------------
:
: Q: When will Windows 95 applications be supported in Wabi?
:
: A: A certified list of Windows 95 applications (including MS Office
:    95, SmartSuite 96, plus currently supported 16 bit applications
:    will be supported in Q1 (CY97) in Wabi 3.0.
:
:    This is the current plan, subject to change.

-- 
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On 15:51:24 Jim Worthington wrote:
>   It's complaining about a missing "rplay" library
>Where can this package be found?

Don't know, and didn't see this when brought up fvwm95.

>I tried running fvwm95 but it crashed on startup producing no messages.
>Is it likely that the missing rplay library is the cause?
>
I don't have sound either, and didn't see this.  My first attempt did bring
up fvwm95, but with no taskbar, no icons, only an empty xterm.  I had to
edit the file locations (I used the example.fvwm95) for the module path,
icon path and pixmap or bitmap, whatever.  Then it worked fine.  Using
it right now in fact.

Paul


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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:04:06 CDT David Engel (david@elo.ods.com) 
> wrote:
> > There is a curses-based version of Tk, but I don't have any idea of
> > how well it works.
> 
> Do you know where we could find this thing ? Might be interesting...

It's at
ftp.neosoft.com:/languages/tcl/alcatel/potpourri/ctk-4.0.tar.gz.  I
already took a look at it and, although it works, it's barely usable,
IMO.

David
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> I stumbled across a newsgroup called linux.dev.wabi.  I didn't see any
> mention of wine, but I did get the impression that Sun wabi software was
> being recompiled for Linux.  At the time I thought that it was strange
> that Sun would release their source code but perhaps they were looking
> for beta testers.  It was late, I'm not really sure what I saw, but I
> thought that there were pointers to a Sun site, presumably to get the
> source code.

FWIW, I believe that WABI will be available for purchase from Caldera in
conjunction with their "Network Desktop" which runs on top of Red Hat
Linux.  WABI will not come with source code as it will not be free.  It
probably can run on Debian Linux, but Caldera will not support it on
anything other than their system.  Caldera has some documentation regarding
WABI for Linux on their web page.

Syrus.


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> borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Brian C. White wrote:
> > 
> > |>To: jworthington@worldnet.att.net
> > |>Subject: Re: WABI
> > |>
> > |>> What is the present status of WABI for Linux?
> > |>
> > |>I've built "wine" package for debian and update it occasionally.
> > i am sorry
> > just interested , where can i get this pkg?
> > thks for u're time
> > borik
> 
> I stumbled across a newsgroup called linux.dev.wabi.  I didn't see any
> mention of wine, but I did get the impression that Sun wabi software was
> being recompiled for Linux.  At the time I thought that it was strange
> that Sun would release their source code but perhaps they were looking
> for beta testers.  It was late, I'm not really sure what I saw, but I
> thought that there were pointers to a Sun site, presumably to get the
> source code.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 

It was my impression that wine and WABI are two separate things.  I believe
Caldera has licensed Sun's WABI and it is available for their distribution.
I don't think that you can use it with any other distributions.

Cheers,

 - another Jim

(oops, forgot to reply to the mailing list in my first attempt, sorry)


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I've installed X11, but I find that I cannot run applications
that need courier and helvetica fonts.  I've looked in the X11
and Debian faqs and readmes, but I haven't been able to find any
info on where to get fonts and how to install them.  Can anyone
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Hello,

> I had this happen to me with two system installations I was running of
> 1.1.4 (from a CD I wrote a few weeks ago). Has anyone seen this on a
> later system than 1.1.4?

I have seen this a few times with 1.1.0-2. My question if it is possible was
answered with no :) Oh Well, glad the Problem is finally recognized.

Greetings
Bernd


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In your email to me, Bruce Perens, you wrote:
> 
> [installation of gcc fails due to binutils dependency that dselect should
>  have taken care of]
> 
> I had this happen to me with two system installations I was running of
> 1.1.4 (from a CD I wrote a few weeks ago). Has anyone seen this on a
> later system than 1.1.4?

I saw this on a 1.1.5

Tim

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Just to get this settled, Caldera has licesned the wabi source code from 
SUN, and they are porting it over to linux.  It most likely will cost 
money, because Sun doesn't just give away the source code.  If you want 
more information on it, I would suggest you look at Caldera's web page
http://www.caldera.com

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> borik the Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Brian C. White wrote:
> > 
> > |>To: jworthington@worldnet.att.net
> > |>Subject: Re: WABI
> > |>
> > |>> What is the present status of WABI for Linux?
> > |>
> > |>I've built "wine" package for debian and update it occasionally.
> > i am sorry
> > just interested , where can i get this pkg?
> > thks for u're time
> > borik
> 
> I stumbled across a newsgroup called linux.dev.wabi.  I didn't see any
> mention of wine, but I did get the impression that Sun wabi software was
> being recompiled for Linux.  At the time I thought that it was strange
> that Sun would release their source code but perhaps they were looking
> for beta testers.  It was late, I'm not really sure what I saw, but I
> thought that there were pointers to a Sun site, presumably to get the
> source code.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 


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I have some computers that don't have IP addresses, and am using IP
masqerading to connect them to the internet. I want to set up smail so all
outgoing mail from these computers looks likes it came from
kite.preferred.com, so people can reply to it. I set up a
/etc/smail/routers like this:

smart_host:
        driver=smarthost, transport=smtp;
        path=kite.preferred.com

But that doesn't seem to do the job.. I don't know much about smail
configuration. I had this working in sendmail at one point, but I'd prefer
to use smail. How can I get it to work?

-- 
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and note that unlike tar, cp -a will actually *handle* pathnames over
100 characters (of course, dpkg won't have installed any, but they may
be around for other reasons...)  I used the tar approach for years,
but cp -a turns out to be much more reliable (and I can fall back to
tar if I have to -- knowing that I have to keep an eye on it as well
and diff the trees later...)


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Greg Hudson writes:
-> >> In addition, the admin's life would only be made easier.
-> 
-> > "Let's see where is perl stuff....of course: /usr/perl"
-> 
-> Of course it looks easier if you only ask one question.
-> 
-> "Where are the operating system binaries that should go in users'
-> paths?"
-> 
-> "Where are the standard C++ libraries?  Where is the termcap library?"
-> 

[ Rest of Greg's excellent explanation deleted ]

I couldn't have said it better myself. :)

This is the most compelling argument for the status quo.  With the
suggested changes, mapping a program to it's associated files gets
slightly easier, but mapping a type of file or specific file to it's
location in the filesystem gets much harder.  It's probably one of the
reasons why /opt hasn't caught on too well with 3rd party
platforms. (Well, that and support for multiple platforms :)

-Larry

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yes, just install the "xlib" package -- it's small, just enough shared
libraries to let the program run.  It won't actually *use* the X code
if you don't have $DISPLAY set, and it is in the end cleaner than
having seperate packages for X and non-X versions...


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Larry,

They intend to implement /opt as a major mount point. They also plan to
make /usr/local a very dangerous place to play. :)
I hope that Debian will make a policy of staying out of /usr/local.

This is way it is shaping up for each application:

Beside the binary in /usr/bin or /bin.
There will be a /usr/libexec subdirectory for each application.
There will be a /usr/share subdirectory for each application. They
specify the contents of this directory to be "architecture independent
data".
/var is in a serious state of flux and I think that this will go to pot
like /usr/lib is now. About half of it is currently local and half
currently non-local.
They seem to be refusing to fix ridiculous things like /usr/games and
putting /dev/MAKEDEV where it belongs in /sbin.

Well actually the FHS people are pretty set on this
> Greg Hudson writes:
> -> >> In addition, the admin's life would only be made easier.
> -> 
> -> > "Let's see where is perl stuff....of course: /usr/perl"
> -> 
> -> Of course it looks easier if you only ask one question.
> -> 
> -> "Where are the operating system binaries that should go in users'
> -> paths?"
> -> 
> -> "Where are the standard C++ libraries?  Where is the termcap library?"
> -> 

> [ Rest of Greg's excellent explanation deleted ]

> I couldn't have said it better myself. :)

> This is the most compelling argument for the status quo.  With the
> suggested changes, mapping a program to it's associated files gets
> slightly easier, but mapping a type of file or specific file to it's
> location in the filesystem gets much harder.  It's probably one of the
> reasons why /opt hasn't caught on too well with 3rd party
> platforms. (Well, that and support for multiple platforms :)

> -Larry

> --
>   Larry Daffner        |  Linux: Unleash the workstation in your PC!
>   vizzie@airmail.net / http://web2.airmail.net/vizzie/
> Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." - Mark Twain





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Folks,

[This should spark a debate :)]

What is the fine line between a library such as libc.so.5, libm.so.5 or
libcurses.a and just a compiled object file?

                                                                        
           --Glenn


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> emacs is an editor with text/graphic interface
> so u can compile emacs with out graphic-x interface

Generally, if there is an option to compile a program with an X interface
as well as its text interface, we do so for Debian. This requires _only_
that the (reasonably small) X runtime library be installed if you don't
plan to use X on that system - no servers or X applications are required.

The alternative was maintaining X and non-X versions of a dozen programs,
which was a hassle and error-prone. I'm sorry that we caused confusion in
this case.

I think if you had used "dselect" instead of "dpkg" it would have told you
what package provided elf-x11r6lib when you selected emacs. This assumes
that you had a complete copy of the "Packages" file from our FTP archive.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com>
> and note that unlike tar, cp -a will actually *handle* pathnames over
> 100 characters

Well, we've beaten this dead horse for long enough.

I think GNU tar will handle over-100-character filenames. There is an
extension to the tar format to handle them. However, my
"tar-in-a-function" that I wrote for dpkg does not have that extension,
which is why dpkg won't handle it.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: Glenn Bily <gvb@elentari.cs.wcu.edu>
> What is the fine line between a library such as libc.so.5, libm.so.5 or
> libcurses.a and just a compiled object file?

If I had my druthers I'd clean lots of stuff like that up.
The task is a lot more complicated than that, because you
are working with other people. You need to:

    + Figure out how to get from point A to point B in gentle steps that
      don't break _everything_. Otherwise lots of people will dig in their
      heels on this sort of change.

    + Cultivate patience. You can't get stuff like this done without the
      patience to watch it happening for years.

    + Establish your own credibility with the people who help make the
      decisions (like the FHS group) by presenting intelligent dialogue
      on other topics for months. Once you've done that, it's easier to
      get them to listen to argument on your own pet projects.

    + Lead only where the others will follow.

    + Detach yourself emotionally from the issue. I can't overstress this.
      I'd be a hopeless basket case if I let myself get emotional over
      decisions made for Debian. Just ask the developers what it was like
      when I last got that way.

You can achieve the goal of getting things organized in a more sensible
manner. You can not achieve it tomorrow, unless you go off and make your
own system (which I would not advise because of the leading where people
will follow thing).

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Glenn Bily <gvb@elentari.cs.wcu.edu> writes:

> Folks,
> [This should spark a debate :)]
>
> What is the fine line between a library such as libc.so.5, libm.so.5 or
> libcurses.a and just a compiled object file?

Please do not try to "spark debate" (troll) on the FHS discussion
mailing list.  I do not appreciate it and I doubt that anyone else
does either.

You have already clearly demonstrated that you have not read the
entire FHS draft and that you have some serious technical gaps in your
understanding of Linux.  I appreciate your desire to get involved, but
I think you need to become more acquainted with the issues at hand
before make a fool of yourself.

I would appreciate it if members of the Debian User's mailing list
would not Cc messages to the FHS mailing list (formerly FSSTND).
Thank you.

Dan


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I have linux 2.0.6 running. I installed it from the kernel image I got
fro ftp.debian.org using dselect. Since it was configured for a 
different hardware setup than mine I decided to reconfigure. I got a new
kernel source 2.0.13 and unpacked it in /usr/src/linux. I also picked
up make-kpkg 2.0.3. I ran make config and satisfied my hardware setup.
Then ran: make-kpkg -r Custom.1 kernel_image. 40 mins later I get this:

as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s
make[3] as86: command not found.
make[3] [bootsect.o] Error 127
make[2] *** [boot] Error 2
make[1] *** [build] Error 2
make: *** [stamp-image] Error 2

as not as86 is in my /usr/sbin. I have not been able to locate as86

Any ideas what am doing wrong? BTW I noticed a new vmlinux that is twice
as large as my vmlinuz, so am guessing as86 has something to do with 
compressing vmlinux.

Chuma


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>>>>> "Philippe" == Philippe Troin <phil@fifi.org> writes:

    Philippe> If you use latex, you'll probably have problems with
    Philippe> font later, and try to download mfbasfnt_1.0-5 from the
    Philippe> rex/binary/tex section and mfdcfnt_1.0-1_all.deb from
    Philippe> the non-free/binary section.

I am confused.  I saw at least 2 times that mfdcfnt is in non-free but I
cannot seem to find it.  There was a previous posting as well that someone
else couldn't find it.

Nathan




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Mark Eichin:
> and note that unlike tar, cp -a will actually *handle* pathnames over
> 100 characters

GNU tar does that as well.

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I tried to install the latest dest' of debian 1.1.8 .

But there is a problem with the last Base disk .
       base14-3.bin
So how do a make those disks by my self ?
there if a tar file containing all the files that shuld be in these
disks : base1_1.tgz

The Disks are in ../buzz-updates/disks-i386/1996_7_14/
==================================================
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Hello

Where can I find Lucid Emacs? Is it Xemacs? if it is where can i find it 
for linux?

miguel


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> as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s
> make[3] as86: command not found.

> Any ideas what am doing wrong? 
Nothing. You just don't have a package installed that is required to build
the kernel:

bin86 (29 Kb) 

Section: devel
Version: 0.3-1 Last modified: Fri Apr 26 10:47:00 1996 
Architecture: i386 
Maintainer: 
     Joost Witteveen <joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl> 
Description: 
     Assembler and loader for kernel compilation. 
Depends: 
     libc5 

> BTW I noticed a new vmlinux that is twice
> as large as my vmlinuz, so am guessing as86 has something to do with 
> compressing vmlinux.

I'm not really sure. It is needed to build the 16-bit start-code for
the kernel. After this code is executed, the compressed kernel image
is decompressed.

Hope this helps,
Ray
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I had this problem when I first setup procmail with elm & popclient. I deleted
the offending folder and let procmail/elm recreate the folder. Since then I
haven't had the problem.

If this doesn't fix your problem, let me know and I'll send you copies of my
setup.
 
> I seem to be having problems with using popclient, procmail and elm together.
> I've set up popclient and procmail correctly, filtering messages well.
> Elm can read folders produced locally by cron, etc..
> However, folders created by popclient + procmail cannot be read by elm.
> I get "folder corrupt," and upon further investigation, the message's initial
> form line is missing!

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Miguel A. Avillez wrote:

|>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:24:23 +0000 (GMT)
|>From: "Miguel A. Avillez" <mavillez@fis.ce.uevora.pt>
|>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: Where can I find lucid Emacs
|>
|>
|>Hello
|>
|>Where can I find Lucid Emacs? Is it Xemacs? if it is where can i find it 
|>for linux?
|>
|>miguel
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/editors/emacs/xemacs/
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/editors/emacs/lemacs-19.10/
Enjoy
borik
(we don't need emacs'itor we don't need vi'tor - we need EDitor) 

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Bruce, 

Sorry I'm sending this to the list, but I'm having a _lot_
of trouble connecting to work and I have to get this out
before I leave.  I don't have the other addresses available
from here.  Included is a uuencoded gziped tar file that
includes the script and some tutorials/help files.  I hope
its enough to get something going.  I'm off to Japan, so
I'll check in when I get there.  I've added a few things,
cleaned up a few things, but it still needs work.

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Miguel A. Avillez wrote:

> 
> Hello
> 
> Where can I find Lucid Emacs? Is it Xemacs? if it is where can i find it 
> for linux?
> 
I'm not sure where Lucid emacs fits in the group. Xemacs is available at
sunsite in the apps path. You can download it from there, or you could buy
the companion CD that I sell. It contains the August snapshots of the GNU
archive and the sunsite/apps path.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Glenn, 

In addition to Bruce's good advice for working with people, I'll add

    + Understand that people may have different goals than you, and that
      their goals may be just as valid as what you have on your agenda.

This is part of why it's good to participate in a group for a long time
before trying barge in with suggestions which you *know* must be better
than what we've spent years working on.  You may come to understand that
in fact this is a very tightly constrained problem, where issues like
backwards compatibility, compatibility with other Unix systems,
technical requirements of system administrators, and aesthetic
cleanliness of the design all compete to come to a compromise solution.

Flip suggestions like "Let's break it :)" betray a lack of understanding
of the many concerns that drive this process.  It says, "I don't think
your concerns are important" and that's not a way to win friends and
influence people.

							- Ted


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Dear all,


I'm trying to install Debian-1.1 via NFS, but I've got some serious
trouble with the ethernet connection. I'm using a WD8003 (selected the
module 'wd' during base installation), which seems to be found
correctly. 'ifconfig eth0' prints out the correct data. Now the
trouble begins:

A "ping 160.45.172.136" (my own address) works perfectly, but no other
address gives a response to ping.

After /etc/init.d/network did a "route add -net 160.45.172.0 netmask \
255.255.255.0 eth0" and "route add default gw 160.45.172.129 metric 0
eth0" (I had to modify these commands manually), a simple "route"
displays:

Destination	Gateway		Genmask		Flags	Metric	Ref	Use	Iface
localnet	*		255.255.255.0	U	0	0	2	eth0
127.0.0.0	*		255.0.0.0	U	0	0	1	lo
default		160.45.172.129	0.0.0.0		UG	0	0	0	eth0

A strange thing is, that the command runs about one minute before it
displays the last line.

There is a WfW-PC on the same line (BNC), but even if I ping this
address, there is no response.

The connector has LEDs for diagnostic purposes. If I ping myself,
there is no activity. If I ping any other address, no activity is
reported. And the best: if I ping 160.45.172.127 (the broadcast
address), it works perfectly and activity is reported!

What could be the reason for such a strange behaviour?

And one remarkably fact I have: from time to time (maybe all 60-120
seconds), the send-LED is lit for a short moment. Why? There are the
following processes running: init, kflushd, kswappd, update, syslogd,
klogd, kerneld, inetd, bashes, getties.


Hope anyone can help me.

	Rene


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This is not unique to Debian, but I would like to confirm in this
forum before posting to Netscape corporate.

I have verified a bug in Netscape 3.0, 3.0gold, and a few betas
released before 3.0 (don't know specifically).  The bug is: in 
printing the screen either to a postscript file or directly to a
postscript printer, the resulting file (or print stream) in in error,
i.e., cannot be viewed.

I corrected my problem by reinstalling v 2.02, and the printer output
is corrected.  Further, gs can view the resulting files.

I don't know whether the problem is unique to Linux and / or Debian.

Can anyone else in the Debian / Linux community confirm this bug
before I post it to Netscape?

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If you are using seesat5, you will be interested to note that I have
acquired a VERY complete master.tle from a close associate of mine. This
tle file contains amature elements for many of the "non-public"
satellites. (read "secret") These elements have been constructed by the
many world wide amature satellite observers, and some of them are quite
interesting. The one that has caught my eye is called TiPS. This is a pair
of satellites coupled together by a tether. It is in fairly high orbit, so
the elements will be stable (correct) for quite some time. As a high orbit
satellite it is a binocular object, but well worth the trouble to see.
If you have any interest in these elements, please contact me by private
e-mail and I will ship them to you.
If you haven't tried seesat5 yet, and are interested in satellite
observation, take a look at this package.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I relatively new to Linux and totally new to TeX and LateX.

I downloaded Debian 1.1 and enough of the TeX an LateX-files to get LateX
running on my computer.  My problem is that the documentation supposes a
fair degree of knowledge of the philosophy behind TeX and LateX.

As a tradisional Wordperfect user in a Dos-environment, I do not know where
to start, how to create and view a document, how to print and I do not find
anything in the Info-manual that could explain it to me except the reference
to two books I should read about Latex.  The documentation explains a of
commands, but there is no introduction to Latex.

Is there any introduction to LateX available somewhere?  I do not want to
buy a book (and they are quite expensive here) before knowing enough to
decide whether I want to use the product seriously.


Johann Spies


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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

|>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 22:14 PDT
|>From: Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
|>To: Me <marcus@starnetinc.com>, borik@isracom.co.il
|>Cc: Debain <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
|>Subject: Re: emacs troubles
|>
|>> emacs is an editor with text/graphic interface
|>> so u can compile emacs with out graphic-x interface
|>
|>Generally, if there is an option to compile a program with an X interface
|>as well as its text interface, we do so for Debian. This requires _only_
|>that the (reasonably small) X runtime library be installed if you don't
|>plan to use X on that system - no servers or X applications are required.

i mean thas u can 1) install the shared libs 2) compile emacs without usin'
xshared libs
thks u


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Hi

you can find some manuals in the 

/usr/lib/texmf/texmf/doc/latex/general

there is a manual called guide.dvi

anyway you could look for the latexcook book in starlink home page.
http://star-www.rl.ac.uk

if you want I can send you several manuals.

cheers

miguel






On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Johann Spies wrote:

> I relatively new to Linux and totally new to TeX and LateX.
> 
> I downloaded Debian 1.1 and enough of the TeX an LateX-files to get LateX
> running on my computer.  My problem is that the documentation supposes a
> fair degree of knowledge of the philosophy behind TeX and LateX.
> 
> As a tradisional Wordperfect user in a Dos-environment, I do not know where
> to start, how to create and view a document, how to print and I do not find
> anything in the Info-manual that could explain it to me except the reference
> to two books I should read about Latex.  The documentation explains a of
> commands, but there is no introduction to Latex.
> 
> Is there any introduction to LateX available somewhere?  I do not want to
> buy a book (and they are quite expensive here) before knowing enough to
> decide whether I want to use the product seriously.
> 
> 
> Johann Spies
> 


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J.H.M.Dassen wrote:
> 
> > as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s
> > make[3] as86: command not found.
> 
> > Any ideas what am doing wrong?
> Nothing. You just don't have a package installed that is required to build
> the kernel:
> 
> bin86 (29 Kb)
> 
> Section: devel
> Version: 0.3-1 Last modified: Fri Apr 26 10:47:00 1996
> Architecture: i386
> Maintainer:
>      Joost Witteveen <joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl>
> Description:
>      Assembler and loader for kernel compilation.
> Depends:
>      libc5
> 
> > BTW I noticed a new vmlinux that is twice
> > as large as my vmlinuz, so am guessing as86 has something to do with
> > compressing vmlinux.
> 
> I'm not really sure. It is needed to build the 16-bit start-code for
> the kernel. After this code is executed, the compressed kernel image
> is decompressed.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Ray
> --Thanks. Also to Thomas Freina for your responses. I got bin86 and 
intalled it. First time the compile failed again. I then deleted the 
whole source tree and started afresh. This time it worked and generated
kernel-image_2.0.13_Custom.1_i386.deb, which I then installed with dpkg.
However, when I told it to make a boot floppy, I got this:

ioctl(FDGETPRM): No such device.

Anyway I liloed and booted the new kernel. Now my sound doesn't work
in windows 95 anymore.  Scratching head.....

Chuma


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The boot-floppies package contains all scripts used to build boot floppies.

What's wrong with base14-3.bin ? It's been on the FTP site for at least
a month with no other complaint.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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> [big uuencoded file deleted]

If you are curious, this is a PPP configuration script we've been working
on for Debian 1.2 . Rich is going to Japan and dumped it to the list so
it wouldn't get lost.

	Bruce


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I recently upgraded to the 2.0.17 kernel, although this problem occured with
other non-debian kernels.
I now get, on boot, and in my daemon log when use diald and pppd,
Can't locate module net-pf-4
  ""        ""        ""  -5

The problem is not terminal, but it does bug me. I thought the problem
might be the psdatabase, but running psupdate does not fix it.

Anyone know whats wrong??

Thanx... :-)


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Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
traffic for that. We probably do now.

I would propose:

	debian-install
	debian-nontechnical
	debian-technical

Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .

	Bruce


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I am very impressed with the new (Aug 25) debian FAQ.  A couple of
questions:

1.	Two pointers at the top level of www.debian.org point to an
older version of the FAQ (it identifies the latest version as
0.93R6).  The current version is available if I go to the ftp
interface and look under doc.

2.	I'm interested in debian-izing my custom kernel (which I need
to patch the aic7xxx driver).  The FAQ says I can do this with
kernel_package_VVV_all.deb (which, in turn, contains make-kpkg).
However, there is no indication of where to find
kernel_package_VVV_all.deb.  I've looked through the most recent
distribution (1.1.8), and other likely directories without any luck.
I also searched Contents for the string "make-kpkg" without any
matches.

Any suggestions?  I've mailed both questions/comments to the FAQ
maintainer.


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A very good idea. However, it might be a good idea to retain the name
debian-user as well, particularly since there is now a news group of that
name.
 
> I would propose:
> 
> 	debian-install
> 	debian-nontechnical
> 	debian-technical
-- 
Thomas R Behrndt					behrndt@enternet.com.au


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In your email to me, Bruce Perens, you wrote:
> 
> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.
> 
> I would propose:
> 
> 	debian-install
> 	debian-nontechnical
> 	debian-technical

I think this is a good idea. Would debian-user stay, or go away?

Tim

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

|>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:40:59 +0200 (MET DST)
|>From: Miro Torrielli <mtorr@worldnet.fr>
|>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: Upgrading to un-debianized kernel
|>
|>I recently upgraded to the 2.0.17 kernel, although this problem occured with
|>other non-debian kernels.
|>I now get, on boot, and in my daemon log when use diald and pppd,
|>Can't locate module net-pf-4
|>  ""        ""        ""  -5
it's aliases 
ignore it



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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

|>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 13:58 PDT
|>From: Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
|>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: time to split the list?
|>
|>Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
|>level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
|>to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
|>people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
|>traffic for that. We probably do now.
|>
|>I would propose:
|>
|>	debian-install
|>	debian-nontechnical
|>	debian-technical
|>
it's a very good idea , but i don't understand whats debian-nontechnical
would do?

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At 01:58 PM 9/5/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
>level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
>to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
>people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
>traffic for that. We probably do now.
>
>I would propose:
>
>	debian-install
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>
>Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
>
>	Bruce
>
>
>

Maybe debian-user and debian-install, to keep it simple?
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  Miro> I recently upgraded to the 2.0.17 kernel, although this problem 
  Miro> occured with other non-debian kernels. I now get, on boot, and in 
  Miro> my daemon log when use diald and pppd,
  Miro> Can't locate module net-pf-4
  Miro>   ""        ""        ""  -5

  Boris> it's aliases 
  Boris> ignore it

Or set up your /etc/conf.modules:

	#alias eth0 <enter your driver here>
	#alias <whatever you don't have that kerneld complains about> off
	alias net-pf-4 off
	alias net-pf-5 off    

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>                 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> 
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.announce
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.install
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.nontech
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.tech
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.changes
> 
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the reorganization of
> three large Debian mailing lists into newsgroups. This is not a Call
> for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are
> below.

I think having these lists gatewayed to official "big-7" newsgroups is
a good idea.  As per my thoughts on splitting the list, I don't think
"debian-user" should be split into three separate groups.

Over 500 posts a day can come into groups like "comp.lang.c++" with
everything from newbies to experts and it doesn't get split up.  Threaded
newsreaders take up most of the slack, and make it much easier to manage
than your standerd (un-filtered) mail reader.
                                             
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> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.

People love to complain about there being too much information, but they
overlook the fact that the reason they can get information and fast
responses is because there is so much going on there.  If you split
the list, many people will not subscribe to some of them and thus will
not be available to answer questions.  The result is a need to crosspost
to all lists in order to get a decent response.

I, for example, probably will not subscribe to the install and non-tech
groups (maybe not even "technical" since I don't understand what each
is for) and thus will not see questions regarding my packages.

My personal opinion is that splitting the lists will add much confusion
and help little.
                                             
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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

|>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 19:19 EDT
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|>To: borik <borik@isracom.co.il>
|>Cc: Miro Torrielli <mtorr@worldnet.fr>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: Re: Upgrading to un-debianized kernel
|>
|>
|>
|>Or set up your /etc/conf.modules:
|>
|>	#alias eth0 <enter your driver here>
|>	#alias <whatever you don't have that kerneld complains about> off
|>	alias net-pf-4 off
|>	alias net-pf-5 off    
i think it's aliases to ~appletalk and ipx - it's there by default



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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Is it time to split the list?

This isn't necessary.  The number of messages per day is quite
reasonable.  As long as discussions are related to Debian, I don't
think it inappropriate that they get tecnical.


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While on the kernel subject, I'm having problems insmoding the
emumod module of dosemu. After a successful compile, emumod
won't load, saying:

xxxx undefined
.... (repeated fifteen or so times)
Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.17) don't match your
linux-2.0.17

This has also happened with the debianized kernel packages. I think that there
is something different in the debian kernel/module architecture, compared to
slackware or redhat, which maybe I am bot familiar with.

Any help, guys?

Thanx for all the help :-)


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On 04:17:39 mtorr@worldnet.fr wrote:
>>Has anyone succeeded in getting the latest versions of
>Dosemu to work? I can successfully compile, but can't
>insmod emumodule. Insmod dumps fifteen or so lines saying:
>
>xxxxx undefined
>...
>Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.7) don't
>match your linux-2.0.7
>
>What's going on?? Seems as if there are some system modules
>( I use a very modularized kernel ) which are not loaded.
>However, I use kerneld, so all neccessary mods should be there.
>
>Someone please help!!
>
>Thanx... :-)
No, it doesn't work here either.  My I-Connect CD was cut on 12 june.
I haven't fussed with it at all, but just wanted to respond that in my
case it doesn't work either.
Paul


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On 06:20:26 Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
>>On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
>
>|>I would propose:
>|>
>|>	debian-install
>|>	debian-nontechnical
>|>	debian-technical
>|>
>it's a very good idea , but i don't understand whats debian-nontechnical
>would do?
>
Well, I don't like it.  I've learned alot from the dialog, but I must admit that
often you guys get talking about issues that are unique to the packaging
or something, and has nothing to do with the user.  Its more like the 
maintainers often dialog here when that may be better done elsewhere.
Like, what I meant to do with this or that, but didn't have the time.....Then
the response goes, well, why not do it this way, and we're off....Maybe 
there should be a separate debian-install, but the other stuff is pretty
much debian-user (minus the developer or maintainer nits this and nit
that) if you ask me.

Paul

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Hi Hakan --
You said:
> I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters like
> \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
> moticed this? 

As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX constructions.
I made a silly .tex file with these lines:

=====begin junk.tex====================
backslash quote curly-brace a curly-brace is \"{a}.
backslash a a is \aa.
\vfill \eject \end
=====end   junk.tex====================

Then I ran 
tex junk
dvips -o morejunk junk
ghostview morejunk

and the characters showed up just as expected.

You can get an umlaut (Tex \"{a}) in LaTeX by using the german option
to the babel package:  
   \usepackage[german]{babel}

I suspect you can get an Angstrom (Tex \aa) in LaTeX by using the 
swedish option.  You can use two options at once by giving them as
a comma seperated list:
   \usepackage[german,swedish]{babel}

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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"Miguel A. Avillez" writes:
-> Where can I find Lucid Emacs? Is it Xemacs? if it is where can i find it 
-> for linux?

Yes. Lucid Emacs was a version of Emacs forked off the GNU version by
a company called Lucid (duh :) for use with their C development
environment.  When Lucid folded, the 'net community took over
development and made it XEmacs (for eXtended Emacs).  It's available
as a debian package in unstable/editors.  Works well for me, so far.

-Larry

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I'm having problems getting pages to come out of my
printer correctly.  The symptoms:


  1)  Small text files don't print.  The printer heads move
      around a bit (as bubblejets like to do) but never gets
      to printing.

  2)  Larger files (text/postscript) will print, but usually
      starting much further into the file.  Postscript files
      print with some garbage near the top of the first printed
      page and double-spaced (as if some key info at the beginning
      of the PS code was missing).

  3)  Printing a file and immediately printing it again will cause
      the second to print correctly.... as if the printer had
      warmed up on the first job and moved onto the second job.
      This works for text and postscript.


I didn't have these problems using Debian 0.96;  this only started
after installing 1.1.  Here are the key parts I am using:

	Debian		1.1
	kernel		1.3.95 #6
	lpr		5.9-11
	gs		2.62-2
	magicfilter	1.2

	my printer	Canon BJC-610
			(it's set in BJ-10 mode using the bj10e magicfilter)


Any suggestions?  Thanx in advance...


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> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.
> 
> I would propose:
> 
> 	debian-install
> 	debian-nontechnical
> 	debian-technical
> 
> Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
> 
> 	Bruce
> 

If the lists were split the debian-user list could then get all messages from all the lists (something like the exmh-workers list).

-- 
Eze Ogwuma





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wb2oyc@cyberenet.net writes:
-> On 04:17:39 mtorr@worldnet.fr wrote:
-> >>Has anyone succeeded in getting the latest versions of
-> >Dosemu to work? I can successfully compile, but can't
-> >insmod emumodule. Insmod dumps fifteen or so lines saying:

[...]

-> No, it doesn't work here either.  My I-Connect CD was cut on 12 june.
-> I haven't fussed with it at all, but just wanted to respond that in my
-> case it doesn't work either.

I believe that dosmu still needs it's hacked version of insmod to
work. It uses some kernel symbols that aren't exported, and because of
the state of dosemu and future plans, they won't be for the
moment.  I believe that it's called insmod-hacker or something like
that.

-Larry

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The LaTeX in Debian seems to be broken. Revision 2e-4 didn't seem to
find the standard classes and packages. Revision 2e-7 dies on installation.

Has anybody been successful with LaTeX?

Thanks,

	Giuseppe



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I would like to try out the Advanced Power Management features in
my PC. However I haven't been able to enable APM in the kernel.
When I do make xconfig I do nt see any obvious switch referring
to APM.

What am I missing? Could anybody who's ben using APM tell me if
they're happy with it?

Thanks,

Giuseppe 


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> 
> Is there any introduction to LateX available somewhere?  I do not want to
> buy a book (and they are quite expensive here) before knowing enough to
> decide whether I want to use the product seriously.
> 
> 
> Johann Spies
> 
The most complete source of information and collection of 
documentation on TeX, LaTeX, METAFONT, BibTeX etc., I have found is 
the (La)TeX navigator at:

    <a href="http://www.loria.fr/tex/english/">(La)TeX navigator</a>

Most of the documents are DVI and PostScript, so you need viewers, 
xdvi and Ghostview.

Enjoy

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Dear Debian people,

I have the following problem with ELM and PGP. I often get a message saying
"could not open pgptemp.$01" - and the request that I type the correct
filename. However, this filename, if I am not mistaken, should have been
presented to PGP by ELM. 

What is wrong here ?

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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>>>>> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:28:37 -0400, "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net> said:

Susan> Hi Hakan -- You said:
>> I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters like
>> \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
>> moticed this?

Susan> As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX
Susan> constructions.  I made a silly .tex file with these lines[...]

This is not the reason. Accented characters do work in LaTeX as in
TeX. Actually the following text:

---
\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\"a.

\end{document}
---

does produce an umlaut on the a. The problem may come from the fact that you
use a wrong encoding (eg.: you actually typed a real "ä" using iso-latin1
and you use a US cmr font instead of using the "EURO" DC font. In this case,
and if you use LaTeX2e style as above, try using

	\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}). 

So the following text will be Ok (but would'nt w/o the fontenc package).

---
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

\begin{document}

ä

\end{document}
---

(NOTE: You will probably get an error message telling that dcr1000.mf is not
found: the Debian LaTeX DC font installation is FAULTY here (a mismatch
between the version of the DC fonts and the version of the font description
files). Try getting the last version of the DC fonts on a CTAN archive (see
below). You'll find them in

	fonts/dc/ready-mf/*

	(these files should replace all the files that are in
	/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/dc/ )
	
	fonts/dc/tfm/*

	(these files should relplace all files in 
	/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/dc/)


---- CTAN Mirrors list

In order to reduce network load, it is recommended that you use the
Comprehensive TeX Archive Network (CTAN) host which is located in the
closest network proximity to your site.  Alternatively, you may wish to
obtain a copy of the CTAN via CD-ROM (see help/CTAN.cdrom for details).

Known partial mirrors of the CTAN reside on (alphabetically):
  ftp.adfa.oz.au (Australia)            /pub/tex/ctan
  ftp.fcu.edu.tw (Taiwan)               /pub2/tex
  ftp.germany.eu.net (Deutschland)      /pub/packages/TeX
  ftp.cs.ruu.nl (The Netherlands)       /pub/tex-archive
  ftp.uu.net (Virginia, USA)            /pub/text-processing/TeX
  nic.switch.ch (Switzerland)           /mirror/tex
  sunsite.dsi.unimi.it (Italia)         /pub/TeX

Known mirrors of the CTAN reside on (alphabetically):
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  cis.utovrm.it (Italia)                /TeX
  dongpo.math.ncu.edu.tw (Taiwan)       /tex-archive
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  ftp.comp.hkbu.edu.hk (Hong Kong)      /pub/TeX/CTAN
  ftp.cs.rmit.edu.au  (Australia)       /tex-archive
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  ftp.duke.edu (North Carolina, USA)    /tex-archive
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If there are 500 posts a day to comp.lang.c++, it strikes me that this
group is *begging* to be split up. Besides the
wading-through-heaps-of-stuff-you-'re-not-interested-in factor, some of
us have to pay to receive news articles and suchlike, and a better
targeted audience would save us lots of time and money.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


On 06 Sep 1969 00:21 Brian C. White wrote:

>                 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> 
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.announce
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.install
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.nontech
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.tech
>         moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.changes
> 
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the reorganization of
> three large Debian mailing lists into newsgroups. This is not a Call
> for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are
> below.

I think having these lists gatewayed to official "big-7" newsgroups is
a good idea.  As per my thoughts on splitting the list, I don't think
"debian-user" should be split into three separate groups.

Over 500 posts a day can come into groups like "comp.lang.c++" with
everything from newbies to experts and it doesn't get split up. 
Threaded
newsreaders take up most of the slack, and make it much easier to manage
than your standerd (un-filtered) mail reader.


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Brian C. White wrote:

>People love to complain about there being too much information, but they
>overlook the fact that the reason they can get information and fast
>responses is because there is so much going on there.  If you split
>the list, many people will not subscribe to some of them and thus will
>not be available to answer questions.  The result is a need to crosspost
>to all lists in order to get a decent response.

On the other hand, a little sorting saves a lot of time - time that can
be used to actively contribute. I voiced my support for Bruce's idea,
but also said that we could compromise by having at least a separate
debian-install list. There are several issues:

i.  We are probably losing potential Debian users due to the size and
    significant inaccessible technical content of debian-user. 60-70
messages
    a day is a lot to cope with, especially when you have other
interests.
    When much of it is Double Dutch, you tend to feel intimidated.
    * we lose fewer fans
ii. Decreasing the amount of irrelevant or uninteresting traffic leaves
more
    time to spend usefully contributing.
    * we have more useful time
iii.Some people get a real kick out of helping a newbie into the fray.
Some
    do some of the time. Others don't. If someone /wants/ to help,
they'll
    subscribe. If they don't have time today, well they can just junk
all the
    traffic in that list for today. Doing this manually is a bind.
    I agree that we'll lose some help because people who would have been
able
    to assist with a problem didn't subscribe to the debian-install
list, but
    I also think that there'll still be sufficient altruism and
expertise
    available. The trade-offs are worth it.
    * we save effort

>I, for example, probably will not subscribe to the install and non-tech
>groups

I imagine that, in a similar vein, you also don't spend much time read
non-technical and installation-specific posts. More's the better for you
if the traffic isn't there in the first place.

>(maybe not even "technical" since I don't understand what each
>is for) and thus will not see questions regarding my packages.
>My personal opinion is that splitting the lists will add much confusion
>and help little.

I really don't see much difficulty is interpreting Bruce's categories.
Do you think the titles are confusing? Suppose we just had debian-user
and debian-install. Would this be okay?

After reading your posts, I'm coming around to the view that two groups
- debian-user and debian-install - would be best. There is perhaps
insufficient non-technical discussion to warrant a separate list.

Casper Boden-Cummins.
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eepro.c seems to be convinced that he must probe for internet 
etherexpress at 0x240.  


I also found

static unsigned int eepro_portlist[] =
   { 0x200, 0x240, 0x280, 0x2C0, 0x300, 0x320, 0x340, 0x360, 0};

So, eepro.c is also convinced that a card on 0x230 can't exist.
This isn't true.  My card is on 0x230.  I (finally) solved the problem saying

>int
>eepro_probe(struct device *dev)
>{
>        int i;
>        int base_addr = dev ? dev->base_addr : 0;
>
>// /////////// begin of jan's code
>        dev->base_addr = base_addr = 0x230;
>// /////////// end of jan's code
>
>        if (base_addr > 0x1ff)          /* Check a single specified 
>location. */
>                return eepro_probe1(dev, base_addr);
>

but this doesn't seem a clean way to solve the problem.  Is there info 
(doc/howto/....) available about clean kernel programming?


Jan Ramon
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>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Gaugler <keng@hybrid.com> writes:

Ken> Maybe debian-user and debian-install, to keep it simple?  

I second this.

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hello

i have found several files in my / and /usr filesystems, that don't
belong to any packages. is this considered a bug ? many files, such as
/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape are installed by a debian package, but they
don't aprear in any /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lists or *conffiles ...

andreas
--
-rw-rw-r--   1 root     root           34 Jul 29 19:35 /dev/DEVICES
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1040
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  88 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1120
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  28 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1440
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 124 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1600
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  44 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1680
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  60 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1722
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  76 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1743
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  96 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1760
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 116 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1840
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 100 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1920
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  12 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u360
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  16 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u720
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 120 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u800
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  52 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u820
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  68 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u830
prw-------   1 root     root            0 Jun 16 19:59 /dev/initctl|
srwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            0 Aug 31 14:14 /dev/printer=
prw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Sep  6 12:23 /dev/xconsole|
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        10537 Jul 15 13:29 /etc/X11/XF86Config
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          277 Jul 21 21:59 /etc/X11/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          210 Jul 15 00:27 /etc/X11/window-managers
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           39 Jul 14 23:42 /etc/X11/xarchie/defaultserver
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          699 Aug  2 17:47 /etc/diald.options
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1004 Aug 10 18:13 /etc/dosemu.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            3 Aug  4 14:57 /etc/dosemu.users
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          550 Jul 22 16:07 /etc/fstab
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            8 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/hostname
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         2461 Sep  5 17:46 /etc/inetd.conf
-rwxrwxr-x   1 root     root          306 Jul 15 12:24 /etc/init.d/smail*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           45 Sep  1 10:41 /etc/ircII.servers
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           42 Aug 27 18:58 /etc/kbd/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         4177 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          341 Aug 31 12:47 /etc/lilo.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           16 Jul 14 17:26 /etc/mailname
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          163 Aug 31 14:14 /etc/mtab
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           22 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/networks
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            3 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/papersize
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1159 Jul 22 14:25 /etc/passwd~
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           84 Jul 21 21:52 /etc/resolv.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          157 Aug 16 19:53 /etc/zircon/rc

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      4501956 Sep  1 12:36 /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape*
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       145228 May  7 17:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.mono*
-rwsr-xr-x   2 root     root       137560 Mar  8  1996 /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm_color*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       219486 Sep  1 12:36 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1364 Aug 22 01:35 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XGetfile
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         2410 Aug 22 01:35 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XMixer
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         3361 Aug 22 01:35 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XPlaycd
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Jul 14 19:55 /usr/bin/X11.old/
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        57949 May 17 00:53 /usr/bin/X11.old/xosview*
-rwxr-xr-x   2 root     root        15633 Mar  9  1996 /usr/bin/[*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root           27 Jul 21 20:57 /usr/bin/yacc*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        12964 Sep  1 12:36 /usr/doc/copyright/netscape-3.0
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       723649 Sep  1 12:36 /usr/lib/netscape/java/classes/java_30
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mail         5464 Sep  1 12:36 /usr/lib/netscape/movemail*
-rwxr-x---   1 news     news         2276 Aug 15 15:30 /usr/lib/news/send-uucp.bak*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       225124 Jul 22 21:00 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.base
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          752 Jul 22 21:00 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.log
-rw-------   1 root     root       253952 Aug  2 01:15 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       632374 Aug 14 20:29 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.fmt
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         9413 Aug 14 20:29 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       132516 Jul 22 21:00 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.base
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          700 Jul 22 21:00 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       286004 Aug 14 20:30 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/tex.fmt
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1891 Aug 14 20:30 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/tex.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           18 Aug 14 20:29 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/texsys.aux
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         3666 Aug 10 15:09 /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/linuxdoc-sgml.sty
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Aug 10 15:09 /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/null.sty
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          504 Aug 10 15:09 /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/qwertz.sty
-rw-r--r--   2 root     root         4951 Feb 29  1996 /usr/man/man1/wnewmail.1


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Casper BodenCummins:
> After reading your posts, I'm coming around to the view that two groups
> - debian-user and debian-install - would be best. There is perhaps
> insufficient non-technical discussion to warrant a separate list.

We already have the debian-talk list (send mail to
majordomo@ion.com.au for info).

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This message is an example of the problem I mentioned earlier.

The actual message is "File pgptemp.$01 has signature but no text."

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Not all files will be listed in the Contents and related files. Some are
created during package configuration, some later. Almost all the files
you listed are normal. However, I'd check these:

  /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
  Not sure if this should be here. Run a `file /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core'.
If
  the message includes `core file' you can remove the file. Otherwise
*DON'T*.
  A core file can be generated when an application does something
forbidden,
  like addressing a non-existent memory location. It is basically an
image of
  the process at the time of the error. You don't need them unless you
want to
  analyse the problem.

  /etc/passwd~
  Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?

  /usr/bin/[*
  This is junk. Blow it away.

  /usr/bin/X11.old
  Can't think why this should be around if you didn't create it
yourself.
  Anyone else know?

  /dev/initctl|
  /dev/printer=
  /dev/xconsole|
  Are there really these symbols on the end?

Casper Boden-Cummins.

------

Andreas wrote:

hello

i have found several files in my / and /usr filesystems, that don't
belong to any packages. is this considered a bug ? many files, such as
/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape are installed by a debian package, but they
don't aprear in any /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lists or *conffiles ...

andreas
--
-rw-rw-r--   1 root     root           34 Jul 29 19:35 /dev/DEVICES
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1040
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  88 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1120
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  28 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1440
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 124 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1600
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  44 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1680
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  60 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1722
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  76 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1743
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  96 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1760
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 116 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1840
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 100 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1920
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  12 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u360
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  16 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u720
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 120 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u800
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  52 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u820
brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  68 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u830
prw-------   1 root     root            0 Jun 16 19:59 /dev/initctl|
srwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            0 Aug 31 14:14 /dev/printer=
prw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Sep  6 12:23 /dev/xconsole|
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        10537 Jul 15 13:29
/etc/X11/XF86Config
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          277 Jul 21 21:59 /etc/X11/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          210 Jul 15 00:27
/etc/X11/window-managers
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           39 Jul 14 23:42
/etc/X11/xarchie/defaultserver
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          699 Aug  2 17:47
/etc/diald.options
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1004 Aug 10 18:13 /etc/dosemu.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            3 Aug  4 14:57 /etc/dosemu.users
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          550 Jul 22 16:07 /etc/fstab
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            8 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/hostname
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         2461 Sep  5 17:46 /etc/inetd.conf
-rwxrwxr-x   1 root     root          306 Jul 15 12:24
/etc/init.d/smail*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           45 Sep  1 10:41
/etc/ircII.servers
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           42 Aug 27 18:58 /etc/kbd/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         4177 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          341 Aug 31 12:47 /etc/lilo.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           16 Jul 14 17:26 /etc/mailname
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          163 Aug 31 14:14 /etc/mtab
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           22 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/networks
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            3 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/papersize
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1159 Jul 22 14:25 /etc/passwd~
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           84 Jul 21 21:52 /etc/resolv.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          157 Aug 16 19:53 /etc/zircon/rc

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      4501956 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape*
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       145228 May  7 17:00
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.mono*
-rwsr-xr-x   2 root     root       137560 Mar  8  1996
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm_color*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       219486 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1364 Aug 22 01:35
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XGetfile
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         2410 Aug 22 01:35
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XMixer
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         3361 Aug 22 01:35
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XPlaycd
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Jul 14 19:55 /usr/bin/X11.old/
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        57949 May 17 00:53
/usr/bin/X11.old/xosview*
-rwxr-xr-x   2 root     root        15633 Mar  9  1996 /usr/bin/[*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root           27 Jul 21 20:57 /usr/bin/yacc*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root        12964 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/doc/copyright/netscape-3.0
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       723649 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/lib/netscape/java/classes/java_30
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mail         5464 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/lib/netscape/movemail*
-rwxr-x---   1 news     news         2276 Aug 15 15:30
/usr/lib/news/send-uucp.bak*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       225124 Jul 22 21:00
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.base
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          752 Jul 22 21:00
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.log
-rw-------   1 root     root       253952 Aug  2 01:15
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       632374 Aug 14 20:29
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.fmt
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         9413 Aug 14 20:29
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       132516 Jul 22 21:00
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.base
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          700 Jul 22 21:00
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       286004 Aug 14 20:30
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/tex.fmt
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1891 Aug 14 20:30
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/tex.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root           18 Aug 14 20:29
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/texsys.aux
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root         3666 Aug 10 15:09
/usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/linuxdoc-sgml.sty
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Aug 10 15:09
/usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/null.sty
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          504 Aug 10 15:09
/usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/qwertz.sty
-rw-r--r--   2 root     root         4951 Feb 29  1996
/usr/man/man1/wnewmail.1



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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Thomas Schiex wrote:

>=20
> >>>>> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:28:37 -0400, "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.t=
iac.net> said:
>=20
> Susan> Hi Hakan -- You said:
> >> I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters lik=
e
> >> \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody el=
se
> >> moticed this?
>=20
> Susan> As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX
> Susan> constructions.  I made a silly .tex file with these lines[...]
>=20
> This is not the reason. Accented characters do work in LaTeX as in
> TeX. Actually the following text:
>=20
> ---
> \documentclass{article}
>=20
> \begin{document}
>=20
> \"a.
>=20
> \end{document}
> ---
>=20
> does produce an umlaut on the a. The problem may come from the fact that =
you
> use a wrong encoding (eg.: you actually typed a real "=E4" using iso-lati=
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> and you use a US cmr font instead of using the "EURO" DC font. In this ca=
se,
> and if you use LaTeX2e style as above, try using
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> =09\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}).=20
>=20
> So the following text will be Ok (but would'nt w/o the fontenc package).
>=20

Hello

=09Another possibility is that you are trying to use some of the
following commands inside a mathematical formula, without using
\mbox.  From Latex - A Doc. prep. system (Lamport, L.,) pg. 38-39:
        --- ... "The command in Table 3.2 can appear only in paragraphy
and LR modes; use an \mbox command to put one inside a mathematical
formula.

 \oe            \aa            \l         ?'
 \OE            \AA            \L         !'
 \ae            \o             \ss
 \AE            \O            =20

=09=09=09Table 3.2

HTH,
[]s, mario=20


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  Giuseppe Vacanti writes:
  Giuseppe>  The LaTeX in Debian seems to be broken. Revision 2e-4 didn't
  Giuseppe> seem to find the standard classes and packages. Revision 2e-7
  Giuseppe> dies on installation.
  Giuseppe> 
  Giuseppe> Has anybody been successful with LaTeX?

I never had any problem whatsoever with LaTeX under Debian. And I update to
the most recent "rex" releases every two or three days (dselect rules !!).

I'll send you my "dpkg -l" output in private mail.

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Ronald van Loon:
> This message is an example of the problem I mentioned earlier.
> 
> The actual message is "File pgptemp.$01 has signature but no text."

Your Elm probably doesn't support PGP/MIME. See

	http://www.c2.org/~raph/pgpmime.html
	
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  Giuseppe Vacanti writes:
  Giuseppe>  I would like to try out the Advanced Power Management features
  Giuseppe> in my PC. However I haven't been able to enable APM in the
  Giuseppe> kernel.  When I do make xconfig I do nt see any obvious switch
  Giuseppe> referring to APM.

APM is in the "Character Devices" menu, after mice and tape and before
watchdog. 

  Giuseppe> What am I missing? Could anybody who's ben using APM tell me if
  Giuseppe> they're happy with it?

Quite, especially with the apmd package. The suspend and sleep features are
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|"  /etc/passwd~
|"  Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?
|"
|"  /usr/bin/[*
|"  This is junk. Blow it away.

If the '*' is part of the filename, I agree. If not, this is necessary for
shells that do not have test as a builtin. It should be a hardlink to 'test'
(necessary for constructs like 

if [ $1 = $2 ]
then
echo equal
fi
)

|"  /dev/initctl|
|"  /dev/printer=
|"  /dev/xconsole|
|"  Are there really these symbols on the end?

I guess it's output from ls -F.

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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Hello,

Don't delete '/usr/bin/['.
It's a hardlink to /usr/bin/test and alot of shell-scripts uses this in
if-statements etc.

/ Henrik Wallin, henrik@triton.campus.luth.se

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

> Not all files will be listed in the Contents and related files. Some are
> created during package configuration, some later. Almost all the files
> you listed are normal. However, I'd check these:
> 
>   /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
>   Not sure if this should be here. Run a `file /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core'.
> If
>   the message includes `core file' you can remove the file. Otherwise
> *DON'T*.
>   A core file can be generated when an application does something
> forbidden,
>   like addressing a non-existent memory location. It is basically an
> image of
>   the process at the time of the error. You don't need them unless you
> want to
>   analyse the problem.
> 
>   /etc/passwd~
>   Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?
> 
>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.
> 
>   /usr/bin/X11.old
>   Can't think why this should be around if you didn't create it
> yourself.
>   Anyone else know?
> 
>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?
> 
> Casper Boden-Cummins.
> 
> ------
> 
> Andreas wrote:
> 
> hello
> 
> i have found several files in my / and /usr filesystems, that don't
> belong to any packages. is this considered a bug ? many files, such as
> /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape are installed by a debian package, but they
> don't aprear in any /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lists or *conffiles ...
> 
> andreas
> --
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     root           34 Jul 29 19:35 /dev/DEVICES
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1040
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  88 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1120
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  28 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1440
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 124 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1600
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  44 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1680
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  60 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1722
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  76 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1743
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  96 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1760
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 116 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1840
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 100 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1920
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  12 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u360
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  16 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u720
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2, 120 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u800
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  52 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u820
> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  68 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u830
> prw-------   1 root     root            0 Jun 16 19:59 /dev/initctl|
> srwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            0 Aug 31 14:14 /dev/printer=
> prw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Sep  6 12:23 /dev/xconsole|
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root        10537 Jul 15 13:29
> /etc/X11/XF86Config
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          277 Jul 21 21:59 /etc/X11/config
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          210 Jul 15 00:27
> /etc/X11/window-managers
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           39 Jul 14 23:42
> /etc/X11/xarchie/defaultserver
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          699 Aug  2 17:47
> /etc/diald.options
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1004 Aug 10 18:13 /etc/dosemu.conf
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root            3 Aug  4 14:57 /etc/dosemu.users
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          550 Jul 22 16:07 /etc/fstab
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root            8 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/hostname
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         2461 Sep  5 17:46 /etc/inetd.conf
> -rwxrwxr-x   1 root     root          306 Jul 15 12:24
> /etc/init.d/smail*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           45 Sep  1 10:41
> /etc/ircII.servers
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           42 Aug 27 18:58 /etc/kbd/config
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         4177 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          341 Aug 31 12:47 /etc/lilo.conf
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           16 Jul 14 17:26 /etc/mailname
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          163 Aug 31 14:14 /etc/mtab
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           22 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/networks
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root            3 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/papersize
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1159 Jul 22 14:25 /etc/passwd~
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           84 Jul 21 21:52 /etc/resolv.conf
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          157 Aug 16 19:53 /etc/zircon/rc
> 
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      4501956 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape*
> -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       145228 May  7 17:00
> /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.mono*
> -rwsr-xr-x   2 root     root       137560 Mar  8  1996
> /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm_color*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       219486 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1364 Aug 22 01:35
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XGetfile
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         2410 Aug 22 01:35
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XMixer
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         3361 Aug 22 01:35
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XPlaycd
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Jul 14 19:55 /usr/bin/X11.old/
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        57949 May 17 00:53
> /usr/bin/X11.old/xosview*
> -rwxr-xr-x   2 root     root        15633 Mar  9  1996 /usr/bin/[*
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root           27 Jul 21 20:57 /usr/bin/yacc*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root        12964 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/doc/copyright/netscape-3.0
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       723649 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/lib/netscape/java/classes/java_30
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mail         5464 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/lib/netscape/movemail*
> -rwxr-x---   1 news     news         2276 Aug 15 15:30
> /usr/lib/news/send-uucp.bak*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       225124 Jul 22 21:00
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.base
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          752 Jul 22 21:00
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.log
> -rw-------   1 root     root       253952 Aug  2 01:15
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       632374 Aug 14 20:29
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.fmt
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         9413 Aug 14 20:29
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.log
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       132516 Jul 22 21:00
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.base
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          700 Jul 22 21:00
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.log
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       286004 Aug 14 20:30
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/tex.fmt
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1891 Aug 14 20:30
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/tex.log
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root           18 Aug 14 20:29
> /usr/lib/texmf/ini/texsys.aux
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         3666 Aug 10 15:09
> /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/linuxdoc-sgml.sty
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Aug 10 15:09
> /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/null.sty
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          504 Aug 10 15:09
> /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/misc/qwertz.sty
> -rw-r--r--   2 root     root         4951 Feb 29  1996
> /usr/man/man1/wnewmail.1
> 
> 

/ Henrik
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>>>>> "BCW" == Brian C White <bcwhite@verisim.com> writes:

 >> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
 >> 
 >> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.announce moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.install moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.nontech moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.tech moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.changes
 >> 

Wouldn't comp.os.linux.distrib.debian.* or something similar be
better? If users of other distributions decide that they'd like to
have newsgroups too, things would be pretty confusing with
c.o.l.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
linux-ft}.* etc.

 BCW> newsgroups is a good idea.  As per my thoughts on splitting the
 BCW> list, I don't think "debian-user" should be split into three
 BCW> separate groups.

I agree with this. There are probably be many people who would be
able to help newbies, but who wouldn't read debian.install.

And isn't debian-devel the correct place for technical discussion, not
a new list or newsgroup?

-- 
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Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:
> > \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
> > moticed this? 
> 
> As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX constructions.
> I made a silly .tex file with these lines:
> 
> =====begin junk.tex====================
> backslash quote curly-brace a curly-brace is \"{a}.
> backslash a a is \aa.
> \vfill \eject \end
> =====end   junk.tex====================
> 
> Then I ran 
> tex junk
> dvips -o morejunk junk
> ghostview morejunk
> 
> and the characters showed up just as expected.

Well, they don't on my instalation :-) I tested just the same. But my junk.log
contains the two lines:

Missing character: There is no ^^e4 in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no ^^e5 in font cmr10!


Thomas Schiex wrote:
> So the following text will be Ok (but would'nt w/o the fontenc package).
> 
> ---
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> 
> \begin{document}
> 
> 
> 
> \end{document}
> ---
> 
> (NOTE: You will probably get an error message telling that dcr1000.mf is not
> found: the Debian LaTeX DC font installation is FAULTY here (a mismatch

So I did.

> between the version of the DC fonts and the version of the font description
> files). Try getting the last version of the DC fonts on a CTAN archive (see
> below). You'll find them in
> 
> 	fonts/dc/ready-mf/*
> 
> 	(these files should replace all the files that are in
> 	/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/dc/ )

hmm, I have no /usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/dc/ directory. But the 
status of mfdcfnt is ok installed, Version: 1.0-1. However, I created one
and placed the new fonts there.

> 	
> 	fonts/dc/tfm/*
> 
> 	(these files should relplace all files in 
> 	/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/dc/)

OK, that directory excisted, so I updated it.

And, now your latex example works just fine (using ISO characters in the latex
file), but Susan G. Kleinmann's junk.tex still wount give me any umlaut 
characters.

> 


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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Hi together,

well for me a PGP signature in MIME format looks like this
mail and the PGP header says PGP-signature rather than message...

..just my bits 

jan



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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.

I suspect that the intimidation is more due to the volume of mail
(specially if these folks are suggesting that a news group would be a
better forum) and simply don't wish to deal with that volume. Any good
mail viewer (even pine) provide good sort facilities (to pull a thread
together), so there is no reason to "have" to read messages that are too
technical.
Another point: Our mailing lists are some of the most friendly forums
available on the net and only the most obnoxious folks recieve any flames.

> 
> I would propose:
> 
> 	debian-install
> 	debian-nontechnical
> 	debian-technical
> 
I would prefer debian-install, debian-user, and debian-devel. I don't see
any discussion of Debian that could go into debian-nontechnical. Even a
discussion of the color scheme in dselect could quickly degenerate into a
technical discussion. As has been stated elsewhere, we already have
debian-talk, which satisfies all needs for off-topic discussions.

I have no problems with splitting the mailing lists (they currently all
come to me) but would be very opposed to moving them to news groups.
However, a moderated news group that feeds both from and to the mail lists
could be an advantagious setup.

Thanks for your time,

Dwarf

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I just installed Debian 1.1 last night (overwriting my old Slackware
install).  I got through the smoke-test (ie, reboot), and everything
seemed fairly okay (got a couple warnings about post?-install scripts
not being found).  I installed my packages, setup X (my mouse won't
work ;-), user accounts, etc.

I then went to reboot.  I got:

LILO: Loading Linux

And that's it.  No dots.  Nothing.  But my disk light stayed on.  So I
decided to wait a bit.  Still nothing.  So I rebooted with my custom
floppy.  Came up fine.

My root disk (/) is hda1, set as bootable.  It's about 350MB (is this
a problem?).  The rest of this disk went to a 64MB swap.  There is
another disk (hdb) mounted on `/archive'.

I didn't try just using `vmlinux' instead of `vmlinuz' (I'd have to
take the `compact' out of `lilo.conf', right?).  I did compile and
install a new kernel, but it didn't help.

Does anyone have any idea what could have gone wrong?  I've had my old
Linux install working for ~3years.  Never a problem like this.

Thanks for any help.

-- 
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration


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On Sep 6,  8:31am, Thomas R Behrndt wrote:
> Subject: Re: time to split the list?
: A very good idea. However, it might be a good idea to retain the name
: debian-user as well, particularly since there is now a news group of
: that name.

Seconded.  I like the name debian-user better than debian-nontechnical.
 The latter (IMHO) sounds a bit more as though we are trying to divide
subscribers based on their knowledge level.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

   Dear Andreas:

Casper BodenCummins wrote:

>  /usr/bin/[*
>  This is junk. Blow it away.

DON'T DO IT!

Whew---sorry for shouting, but:  This is indeed a file named ``['',
and it's executable (hence the ``*'' in what must be an ls -lF
listing).

``['' is a synonym for the ``test'' command, used in shell programming
constructs such as:

    if [ -z "`hostname`" ]; then
	hostconfig -p bootparams
    fi

(from my rc.boot file [I'm using Solaris at the moment, not Linux :-( ]).

   If you remove /bin/[, more stuff will break than you knew you had.

   FWIW, ``/etc/passwd~'' is the name emacs gives to a backup file
when it's edited /etc/passwd.  If you use emacs, that's where it came
from.  Maybe other editors use the same convention?

   For the rest, I can't help.


			Sincerely yours,

				Max Hyre

    **>> What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message?  It's a
    	 security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check
    	 out 
    	    	    http://www.efh.org/pgp/pgpwork.html

          Key fingerprint =  EFEC 0067 6803 852D  B1DB 751E 6754 14EA 

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Hi,

>   /etc/passwd~
>   Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?

This can be created by editing /etcpasswd by hand Delete it..

> 
>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.

No, this is the Binary "test", it is needed for things like "[ -f "bla" ]"
for shells wich dont support builtin test support. This is required from
POSIX afaik.

>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?

Those are named pipes and unix domain sockets needed to operate the system.

Greetings
Bernd


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Casper BodenCummins wrote:
> 
>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.
>

Actually, /usr/bin/[ is the same as /usr/bin/test (they are
hardlinked).  And, in my
opinion, they are not junk.  Yes, bash has them built in, but some other
shells may
have not.

> 
>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?
> 

I think no, it's just ls -F.

	Kit.


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Max Hyre wrote:

>   Dear Andreas:
>
>Casper BodenCummins wrote:
>
>>  /usr/bin/[*
>>  This is junk. Blow it away.
>
>DON'T DO IT!
>
>Whew---sorry for shouting, but:  This is indeed a file named ``['',
>and it's executable (hence the ``*'' in what must be an ls -lF
>listing).
>
>``['' is a synonym for the ``test'' command, used in shell programming
>constructs such as:
[..]

Hey, *sorry* folks (especially Andreas). This bit of bad advice really
generated a lot of replies. I never would have realised that "[" was a
link to "test" - what a bizarre-looking and cunning way to do it.

It brings to mind the unofficial SAS motto: assumption is the mother of
all f*ck-ups.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Is anyone working on getting fvwm95 debianized? I have a halfway working
package and I wonder if its worth the effort to finish it since I saw
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On 6 Sep 1996, Juri Pakaste wrote:

> Wouldn't comp.os.linux.distrib.debian.* or something similar be
> better? If users of other distributions decide that they'd like to
> have newsgroups too, things would be pretty confusing with
> c.o.l.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
> linux-ft}.* etc.

As opposed to
c.o.l.d.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
linux-ft}.*
?

Of course the difference is that these would be clearly separated from
{misc,hardware,networking,announce,setup,answers,x}
but that doesn't seem important.


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Jan Camenisch:
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More precisely, it says

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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

>   /etc/passwd~
>   Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?

passwd writes it out whenever something changes, just in case.

>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.

Actually this is a link to test.  POSIX.2 (?) mandates its existence
for shells which don't provide it.  It's listed in dpkg -L shellutils,
btw.  There must be a bug in your script which generated this list.

>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?

He did an ls -F.

> brw-rw----   1 root     floppy     2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd*

These were created by /usr/sbin/MAKEFLOPPIES when you installed
fdutils.

I would guess most of the other files are managed by the package's
control scripts.


Guy


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To begin with:
I installed Latex2e-7 yesterday, with libmf required, the mf**
packages mentionned earlier, and it all works without a single "format not
found"! Thanks debian-user!!!

Now the questions:

1) Where/how am I supposed to install latex styles for all users?
/usr/lib/texmf/tex is quite a jungle, and I thought I was not supposed to
customize /usr. But if I put in /usr/local, how to comply with the mysterious
logics behind Latex2e, and above all, how to get it accessible? I failed to
find an /etc config file...

2) Kpathsea is a nice and powerful thing. However, when viewing a dvi from
netscape, chances are it will contain unsual fonts and thus produce a lot of
output like 
	The letter A
	The letter B
	....
which is not thrilling, and which netscape chops into many dialogs you have to
each kill on the OK button... How do I tell metafont to run silently? I don't
mind keeping a single line each time a font is built... Again, no /etc config
file in sight...

Amities,

		Jean Orloff
+++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
+Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
+++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
In a Yugoslavian hotel:
       The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the 
       chambermaid.
+++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++



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The Java Workshop mini-howto in the latest doc-debian
package describes how to setup JW on Linux. However,
the latest JW, version 1.0, has just been released, and
is slightly different than the old version referred to
in the howto. Is the setup procedure the same?

I doubt it, because there are some new shared libraries
and executables not mentioned in the howto, obviousy in
Solaris format.

Thanx again... :-)


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>>>>> Miro Torrielli writes:

> I recently upgraded to the 2.0.17 kernel, although this problem
> occured with other non-debian kernels.  I now get, on boot, and in
> my daemon log when use diald and pppd, Can't locate module net-pf-4
> "" "" "" -5

You have to add

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  Casper made some good points regarding debian-install.  Let's start
  with debian-install and debian-user and see how it goes.  I don't
  like debian-*technical.  At the moment, the line between debian-user
  and a potential debian-devel is rather fuzzy in my mind and as such
  both would carry much of the same traffic.  (Isn't there already a
  list for the debian developers for discussion of packaging and
  releases and such that wouldn't be of interest to the general
  public?)

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  Jean> 1) Where/how am I supposed to install latex styles for all users?

Below /usr/local/lib/texmf/tex/latex/

As kpathsea searches recursively (see /usr/lib/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf), I
usually keep some subdirs (that match the CTAN structure).

  Jean> 2) Kpathsea is a nice and powerful thing. However, when viewing a dvi
  Jean> from netscape, chances are it will contain unsual fonts and thus
  Jean> produce a lot of output like  [...]

Hm, I presume netscape just calls xdvi as you would from the command line.
So you have to configure it anyway. One file that needs some configuration
is
	/usr/lib/texmf/dvips/config.ps		
for things as resolution, papersize, ... This should probably be in /etc and
softlinked back to /usr/lib/texmf/dvips/config.ps

--
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I'm only subscribed to lists which do not carry more than 10 mails/week.
This way my mailbox keeps mostly interesting stuff which I can oversee.

It is a _must_ to convert high-traffic lists into newsgroups because:

   - one gets overwhelmed by the number of e-mails per day,
   - the disk gets clobbered by the size of the whole bunch (argh, I
     had 5 people sumitted to "debian-users" on my system),

   - newbies are not capable of (or have other problems than) setting
     up e-mail filters to sort the whole junk (hint: gnus is really
     cool), 

   - high-traffic often means "general interest" (so why not make it
     more public?),

   - one actually pays for the whole junk to download it via modem,

   - one has to unsubscribe when going on holidays,



On the other hand I see that

   + developers need to communicate more quickly than via news (takes
     up to 4 days)

   + it is much easier to create a mailing-list than a newsgroup


So my suggestions are:

   o Tell the people about the newsgroup "linux.debian.users" as an
     alternative to the mailinglist when confirming their
     subscription.
     Ignoring the technical stuff is a special case of ignoring
     subjects of no personally interest and can be done with most
     news-readers.
     (Yes, you can do this "easily" with mailinglist by using gnus,
      too but thats the exception.) 

   o make at least "debian-users-digest" for those people who want to
     keep on with the most interesting things

   o split the mailing-list to keep developers off from
     newbie-questions (they are likely to "waste" their time!) into

         debian-installation
             for questions "not" covered by the installation-manual :-)

         debian-newbies
             for those who have at least reached the login-prompt
             but aren't familiar with the system yet [no technical
             discussion allowed here; even such evil words as "emacs",
             "kernel" and such are strictly forbidden] :-)

         debian-users
             the good old list; for "long-time" debian-users

         debian-towers
             high-level technical discussions


   o make a "debian-all-digest" from all that lists above


-Winfried


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[Question about how to neatly change the eepro driver CSR address]

If it's a module, try "modprobe eepro io=0x230". If that works, add it
to /etc/conf.modules . Otherwise, just add 0x230 to eepro_portlist.

	Bruce


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Is there a compressed filesystem in a file somewhere (I already have
a kernel) where I can just do:

	loadlin kernel initrd=image.gz root=/dev/ramdisk

and start installing?

I do kinda the same thing with slackware [I know how to (I never tried 
debian), I know what I have to do to install slackware (I mount the slackware
disk on some other directory have my initrd), I'd like a more
integrated approach...



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Hi there

I normally assume that Latex should be installed in /usr/local/texmf
 where all the libraries and styles are included. for everything to work 
perfectly you should add the proper paths in the /etc/bashrc or .bashrc

export TEXMF=/usr/local/texmf
export TEXINPUTS=.:$TEXMF/tex/latex2e//:$TEXMF/tex//

with these paths all the needed styles and defs are found by the system.

However and I dont know why linux distributions came with texmf installed 
in the /usr/lib/texmf

which is almost the same thing.

so what I should do in your case could be one of the two following things:

 - reinstall the latex package in the /usr/local/
   and install the new styles in the styles directory inside texmf

   or go ahead and install the packages in /usr/local but create a 
simbolic link in the styles directory inside /usr/lib/texmf where ever it is.

hope this helps

miguel


On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Jean Orloff wrote:

> 
> To begin with:
> I installed Latex2e-7 yesterday, with libmf required, the mf**
> packages mentionned earlier, and it all works without a single "format not
> found"! Thanks debian-user!!!
> 
> Now the questions:
> 
> 1) Where/how am I supposed to install latex styles for all users?
> /usr/lib/texmf/tex is quite a jungle, and I thought I was not supposed to
> customize /usr. But if I put in /usr/local, how to comply with the mysterious
> logics behind Latex2e, and above all, how to get it accessible? I failed to
> find an /etc config file...
> 
> 2) Kpathsea is a nice and powerful thing. However, when viewing a dvi from
> netscape, chances are it will contain unsual fonts and thus produce a lot of
> output like 
> 	The letter A
> 	The letter B
> 	....
> which is not thrilling, and which netscape chops into many dialogs you have to
> each kill on the OK button... How do I tell metafont to run silently? I don't
> mind keeping a single line each time a font is built... Again, no /etc config
> file in sight...
> 
> Amities,
> 
> 		Jean Orloff
> +++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
> +Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
> +++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
> In a Yugoslavian hotel:
>        The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the 
>        chambermaid.
> +++++++++	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	++++++
> 
> 


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> Is there a compressed filesystem in a file somewhere (I already have
> a kernel) where I can just do:
> 
>         loadlin kernel initrd=image.gz root=/dev/ramdisk
> 
> and start installing?

I am working on this for Debian 1.2 . Currently, you have to go through
the 5-floppy thing as detailed in my installation document on our WWW
site and also via FTP as
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/disks-i386/current/install.html .

I am planning to make 3 initrd files. Which one you use depends on how
much RAM you have. The smallest one boots to a miniroot, and you have
to feed in a floppy to get the device driver modules. This is
suitable for 4MB systems. The next larger one contains the miniroot
and all of the modules, and you have to feed in floppies for the base
system. This is suitable for 8MB system. The largest contains the entire
base system, and is suitable for 16MB systems. These should run directly
off of a CD or DOS partition, and will make floppy-less install possible
for most people.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Can some kind soul tell me if there is a libg++ for the aout compiler,
or, if not, how to get a ELF binary to run on a stock 1.2.0 kernel
aout system? I have elf enabled in the kernel, but it doesn't run..
I forget the message right now. It's a farily simple c++ program,
but it's running (or supposed to) on an embeded system based on
1.2.0

Tim

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hello
trying to understand the meaning of the following:
- ---------------
'dpkg -help'
[....]
  --largemem | --smallmem    Optimise for large (>4Mb) or small (<4Mb) RAM use
[....]
- ---------------
what exactly this future means , what it affects ?
if anbd could answer or point me to the right doc - whould be great
thks for u're time 

Regards
borik


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if you run eepro as a module try adding:

options eepro io=0x230

in /etc/conf.modules. if you have it compiled in the kernel (as i do)
add:

append="ether=0,0x230,eth0"

in /etc/lilo.conf. i've tried it both ways and it works fine for me
(set at 0x210). now if i can only convince the card to show up on irq
11 as the dos setup program believes it to be instead of irq 5 as
linux insists. so if anybody out there has any ideas please let me
know.

--alex--

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In message <m0uz9Tj-0007oIC@mongo.pixar.com>,   you write:
>> and start installing?
>
>I am working on this for Debian 1.2 . Currently, you have to go through
>the 5-floppy thing as detailed in my installation document on our WWW
>site and also via FTP as
>ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/disks-i386/current/install.html .
>
>I am planning to make 3 initrd files. Which one you use depends on how
>much RAM you have. The smallest one boots to a miniroot, and you have
>to feed in a floppy to get the device driver modules. This is
>suitable for 4MB systems. The next larger one contains the miniroot
>and all of the modules, and you have to feed in floppies for the base
>system. This is suitable for 8MB system. The largest contains the entire
>base system, and is suitable for 16MB systems. These should run directly
>off of a CD or DOS partition, and will make floppy-less install possible
>for most people.
>

What I thought...I frown on making floppies anymore (I'd much
rather transfer images through ethernet...

Right...I'm looking at machines with >= 16 mbytes RAM...I've used
yard to make ram boot disks of 4 megabytes...(with bash and nvi
on there).  I then mount the slackware (I've used slackware)
install disk (as another ram image somewhere) and get it to work..
through brute force!!

Maybe I'm looking for instructions of what programs I have to
have installed in what places...I'm perfectly comfortable building
them myself...

You want to some help?  I'm going to install a system this weekend,
so I might give debian a while (I've been using ELF for a year, and
the only ELF system I knew of last year was slackware).

I floppyless install off CDROM is the way to go...

Are all the floppies independent file systems?  Can I mount them 
as loopback file systems?

marty



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Hi John --
You said:
> The kernel needed is the "special kernel 6: special NCR53C8XX."  This special
> kernel is supposedly available from buzz-fixed/disks-i386/special-kernels
> at any Debian FTP site.  However, when I go the Debian FTP site the only
> special kernels available are numbers 0 through 5 (i.e. there is no
> special kernel 6 listed).  

I can't find special kernel 6 now either, although I could have sworn it
existed at one time.  You can, if you like, use a boot disk I made for
a colleague which has the NCR53c7xx adapter built into it.  (This is what's
needed for the NCR53c810).  It's available at:

   ftp://sgk.phast.umass.edu/pub/boot1440.bin.gz

Note that it is a compressed file.  So after you get it, you'll need to
process it with 
    gzip -d boot1440.bin.gz

then write it to your disk, using either rawrite2 or just
    dd if=boot1440.bin of=/dev/fd0
(if you already have some Unix system up somewhere).  The .config file used
to make tha kernel is attached below for your curiosity.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann

====================.config for kernel mentioned above=====================
#
# Automatically generated make config: don't edit
#

#
# Code maturity level options
#
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y

#
# Loadable module support
#
CONFIG_MODULES=y
# CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is not set
CONFIG_KERNELD=y

#
# General setup
#
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_NET=y
# CONFIG_MAX_16M is not set
CONFIG_PCI=y
# CONFIG_PCI_OPTIMIZE is not set
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_JAVA=m
CONFIG_KERNEL_ELF=y
# CONFIG_M386 is not set
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
CONFIG_M586=y
# CONFIG_M686 is not set

#
# Floppy, IDE, and other block devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y

#
# Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives
#
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PCMCIA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRITON=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000 is not set
# CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set

#
# Additional Block Devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set

#
# Networking options
#
CONFIG_FIREWALL=y
CONFIG_NET_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y
# CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set
CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y
# CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL_VERBOSE is not set
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y

#
# Protocol-specific masquerading support will be built as modules.
#
CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y
CONFIG_IP_ALWAYS_DEFRAG=y
# CONFIG_IP_ACCT is not set
# CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set
# CONFIG_IP_ALIAS is not set

#
# (it is safe to leave these untouched)
#
# CONFIG_INET_PCTCP is not set
# CONFIG_INET_RARP is not set
# CONFIG_NO_PATH_MTU_DISCOVERY is not set
CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y
CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y

#
#  
#
# CONFIG_IPX is not set
# CONFIG_ATALK is not set
# CONFIG_AX25 is not set
# CONFIG_NETLINK is not set

#
# SCSI support
#
CONFIG_SCSI=y

#
# SCSI support type (disk, tape, CD-ROM)
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set

#
# Some SCSI devices (e.g. CD jukebox) support multiple LUNs
#
# CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS is not set

#
# SCSI low-level drivers
#
# CONFIG_SCSI_7000FASST is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA152X is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1542 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1740 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ADVANSYS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_IN2000 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AM53C974 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DTC3280 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_DMA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_PIO is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_FUTURE_DOMAIN is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C7xx=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C7xx_sync is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C7xx_FAST=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C7xx_DISCONNECT is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PPA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PAS16 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FAS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_ISP is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SEAGATE is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_T128 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_U14_34F is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ULTRASTOR is not set

#
# Network device support
#
CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y
CONFIG_DUMMY=m
# CONFIG_EQUALIZER is not set
# CONFIG_DLCI is not set
# CONFIG_PLIP is not set
CONFIG_PPP=m

#
# CCP compressors for PPP are only built as modules.
#
CONFIG_SLIP=m
CONFIG_SLIP_COMPRESSED=y
# CONFIG_SLIP_SMART is not set
# CONFIG_SLIP_MODE_SLIP6 is not set
# CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set
CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM is not set
# CONFIG_LANCE is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC is not set
# CONFIG_NET_ISA is not set
# CONFIG_NET_EISA is not set
# CONFIG_NET_POCKET is not set
# CONFIG_TR is not set
# CONFIG_ARCNET is not set

#
# ISDN subsystem
#
# CONFIG_ISDN is not set

#
# CD-ROM drivers (not for SCSI or IDE/ATAPI drives)
#
# CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI is not set

#
# Filesystems
#
# CONFIG_QUOTA is not set
# CONFIG_LOCK_MANDATORY is not set
CONFIG_MINIX_FS=y
# CONFIG_EXT_FS is not set
CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
# CONFIG_XIA_FS is not set
CONFIG_FAT_FS=y
CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y
# CONFIG_VFAT_FS is not set
# CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS is not set
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
# CONFIG_NFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set
CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y
# CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_SYSV_FS=m
# CONFIG_AFFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_UFS_FS is not set

#
# Character devices
#
CONFIG_SERIAL=y
# CONFIG_DIGI is not set
# CONFIG_CYCLADES is not set
# CONFIG_STALDRV is not set
# CONFIG_RISCOM8 is not set
CONFIG_PRINTER=y
# CONFIG_MOUSE is not set
# CONFIG_UMISC is not set
# CONFIG_QIC02_TAPE is not set
# CONFIG_FTAPE is not set
# CONFIG_APM is not set
# CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set
# CONFIG_RTC is not set

#
# Sound
#
CONFIG_SOUND=m
# CONFIG_PAS is not set
CONFIG_SB=y
CONFIG_ADLIB=y
# CONFIG_GUS is not set
# CONFIG_MPU401 is not set
# CONFIG_UART6850 is not set
# CONFIG_PSS is not set
# CONFIG_GUS16 is not set
# CONFIG_GUSMAX is not set
# CONFIG_MSS is not set
# CONFIG_SSCAPE is not set
# CONFIG_TRIX is not set
# CONFIG_MAD16 is not set
# CONFIG_CS4232 is not set
# CONFIG_MAUI is not set
CONFIG_AUDIO=y
# CONFIG_MIDI is not set
CONFIG_YM3812=y
# CONFIG_SMWAVE is not set
SBC_BASE=220
SBC_IRQ=5
SBC_DMA=1
SB_DMA2=5
SB_MPU_BASE=0
SB_MPU_IRQ=-1
DSP_BUFFSIZE=32768

#
# Kernel hacking
#
# CONFIG_PROFILE is not set


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Hello, 

I'm getting some "out of processes" errors lately in my debian
1.1 installation. Typically this is returned to the shell when I try
to open a new xterm, etc.

Linux secura-8 2.0.0 #3 Sun Jun 23 22:23:43 PDT 1996 i486

"top" says I only have about 50 procs running, and I doubt Linux would
have a limit that low. Couldn't find a reference to a kernel variable
in the source or in the FAQ. Anyone have any ideas why this is
happening? Typically I have netscape, fvwm, goodstuff, dxpc, and
xterms open...

Thanks,

nathan

p.s. did the deb-user list burp recently? My subscription stopped
functioning and I had to resubscribe...



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Hello again...

Since upgrading to 1.1, syslogd doesn't start up at boot. I have seen
this problem brought up on the list before, but didn't see an answer.

This only relevant things in var/log/messages (not too useful as
syslogd isn't usually running) is perhaps:

Sep  2 10:05:23 secura-9 syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
Sep  2 10:05:24 secura-9 kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source = /proc/kmsg
started.
Sep  2 10:05:25 secura-9 syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
Sep  2 10:05:25 secura-9 kernel: Cannot find map file.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ???  

Any Ideas would be welcomed. I have tried purging the old sysklogd,
then had to reinstall some files by hand as dpkg *would not* find some
files needed to install the package (I believe it was the
/etc/init.d/sysklogd file). 

Thanks. Sigh. 

nathan



Linux secura-8 2.0.0 #3 Sun Jun 23 22:23:43 PDT 1996 i486


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Zoikes.

You know, it is not straightforward to keep *only* the intel binaries
mirrored on another machine. I did write a preliminary mirror config file:

package=debian
site=ftp.caldera.com
remote_dir=/pub/mirrors/debian
local_dir=/usr3/people/nathan/src/debian
get_patt=(binary-all/|non-free/binary-i386/|non-free/binary/|contrib\
/binary-i386/|contrib/binary/|buzz/binary/|buzz/binary-i386/|buzz-updates\
/binary/|buzz-updates/binary-i386/|buzz-fixed/binary/|buzz-fixed/\
binary-i386/|rex/binary-i386/|rex/binary/)

Does anyone have a better config file for this purpose?

I then used dselect to install some new files from
buzz-fixed. However, despite the seemingly infinite number of symbolic
links in the archive, certain things (like
binary/devel/kernel-source...) have *not* been linked here. Should
they be?

Help! (and thanks)

nathan


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This is a good idea.  I would suggest:

	debian-install
	debian-user (instead of debian-technical)
	debian-novice (instead of debian-nontechnical).


Derrick.


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>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:33:01 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Dale Scheetz <ren!polaris.net!dwarf>
>Subject: Re: help ?
>
>On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 shankar@csnio.ren.nic.in wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> My pentium is not booting after I installed Debian 1.1 (kernel 2.0.0).  The
>> system hangs after configuring the serial ports.  Here is what the last screen
>> looks like.
>> 
>> I am not sure what other information would be useful, but here are some of the
>> hardware details.
>> 
>> Pentium 100 MHz
>> Two SCSI HDDs : SEAGATE ST5 1080N (1030 Mb each)
>> using Future Domain TMC-3260 (PCI) controller.

	(now trying Future Domain TMC-950)

>> One 3.5" FDD
>> One ATAPI CDROM
>> NE2000 ethernet
>> Monitor is 14" SVGA colour
>> 
>Looks like you have no driver for the Future Domain controler in your
>kernel. Look at the special kernels and see if there is one that will
>work. If not, let me know, and I will try to build you a custom kernel.
>
>Luck,
>
>Dwarf

I tried switching controllers.  First, I switched to a
BusLogic Flashpoint; this was not detected though I typed "linux
buslogic=[iobase]" at the "boot:" prompt as directed.  Second, I tried Future
Domain TMC-950, which does not use the PCI bus.  (This is mentioned in the hardware
list obtained by pressing F4 at the boot: prompt).  I tried "linux
tmc8xx=0xca00,10" (membase,irq was asked for).  This time, I got

TMC-8xx/TMC-950 options: ARBITRATE SLOW_HANDSHAKE FAST32
PPA: unable to initialize controller at 0x378, error 2
scsi 0: TMC-8xx/TMC-950 at irq 10, adress 0xCA00
scsi: 1 host
scsi: detected total
lance.c: PCI bios is present, checking for devices...

There are 2 disks, both of which are detected by MS-DOS; so there is no problem
with the hardware.  I tried partitioning the detected scsi disk, but got
this response.

"No hard disk drives could be found.  Make sure they are cabled correctly and are
turned on before the system is started.  You may have to change driver settings
when you start the system with a command at the "boot:" prompt, or you may have
to load a driver that is in a loadable module to solve this problem."
Also, what does the error message "PPA: ...controller at 0x378..." mean?  I do
need that port for the printer.

I had no such trouble when installing Debian 0.93 (a.out) on the Future Domain.  
I hope at least the TMC-950 is supported; else, I am planning to switch to 
IDE because the alternative is to switch the OS to MS-DOS, which is not much of 
an alternative.  Given my ftp connections and my knowledge of computers, it is 
simpler to switch controllers than to try something fancy.

Thanks a lot for the help.
Shankar.

D. Shankar                               Ph.:   (91)(832) 226253-56 ext 224
Physical Oceanography Division,          Fax:   (91)(832) 223340/221360
National Institute of Oceanography,      email: shankar@csnio.ren.nic.in
Dona Paula, Goa 403 004, India.


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[What do the dpkg --smallmem and --largemem flags do?]

On a 4MB system, dpkg's in-RAM database is larger than your physical
RAM.  Thus, you use virtual memory for much of this database.
Unfortunately, dpkg has poor locality-of-reference when accessing
this database, so most of its execution time on a 4MB system is spent
in handling VM page faults.

--smallmem makes the working set smaller, and thus makes dpkg run faster
on low-memory systems. --largemem lets it use a large working set, which
runs faster on systems with more memory.

The behavior of the program other than its execution time should be
unchanged.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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[User is getting a "too many processes" error]

I am using "tcsh" for a shell, and when I run the "limit" command, I get
"maxproc 30". This seems a bit low. Try becoming root, and in csh or
tcsh running "limit maxproc 100", and see if you can actually run enough
processes.

This number is set to 256 by the kernel in 2.0.17 . I suspect something
is turning it down.

	Bruce


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I'm having the following problems, any suggestions woulg be greatly
appreciated.

Jim

(1) Netscape 3.0B7 - non debian

    The backspace key doesn't work.  Is this a setup problem?
    I'm using TCSH shell

(2) xdm - Debian 1.1.0 release

    The Debian login window appears, After a correct login it tries
    to do something (a few horizontal bars across the root window) 
    and then the login window re-appears. Same process repeats
    resulting in an endless loop. 

    An incorrect login produces a red incorrect login message as
    it should. Any Ideas?

    startx works fine.


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> First, I switched to a
> BusLogic Flashpoint; this was not detected though I typed "linux
> buslogic=[iobase]" at the "boot:" prompt as directed.

See the special notice for FlashPoint owners with Linux systems at the end
of this message.

> TMC-8xx/TMC-950 options: ARBITRATE SLOW_HANDSHAKE FAST32

This is /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/seagate.c talking, _not_
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/fdomain.c, which is for the newer
Future Domain boards. I guess Seagate designed the TMC8xx series.
The kernel command line format is "tmc8xx=ADDRESS,IRQ". Default
IRQ is 5.

> PPA: unable to initialize controller at 0x378, error 2

ZIP drive parallel port adapter. You probably don't have one.

	Thanks

	Bruce

			       ANNOUNCEMENT
	       BusLogic FlashPoint LT/BT-948 Upgrade Program
			      1 February 1996

			  ADDITIONAL ANNOUNCEMENT
	       BusLogic FlashPoint LW/BT-958 Upgrade Program
			       14 June 1996

Ever since its introduction last October, the BusLogic FlashPoint LT has
been problematic for members of the Linux community, in that no Linux
drivers have been available for this new Ultra SCSI product.  Despite it's
officially being positioned as a desktop workstation product, and not being
particularly well suited for a high performance multitasking operating
system like Linux, the FlashPoint LT has been touted by computer system
vendors as the latest thing, and has been sold even on many of their high
end systems, to the exclusion of the older MultiMaster products.  This has
caused grief for many people who inadvertently purchased a system expecting
that all BusLogic SCSI Host Adapters were supported by Linux, only to
discover that the FlashPoint was not supported and would not be for quite
some time, if ever.

After this problem was identified, BusLogic contacted its major OEM
customers to make sure the BT-946C/956C MultiMaster cards would still be
made available, and that Linux users who mistakenly ordered systems with
the FlashPoint would be able to upgrade to the BT-946C.  While this helped
many purchasers of new systems, it was only a partial solution to the
overall problem of FlashPoint support for Linux users.  It did nothing to
assist the people who initially purchased a FlashPoint for a supported
operating system and then later decided to run Linux, or those who had
ended up with a FlashPoint LT, believing it was supported, and were unable
to return it.

In the middle of December, I asked to meet with BusLogic's senior
management to discuss the issues related to Linux and free software support
for the FlashPoint.  Rumors of varying accuracy had been circulating
publicly about BusLogic's attitude toward the Linux community, and I felt
it was best that these issues be addressed directly.  I sent an email
message after 11pm one evening, and the meeting took place the next
afternoon.  Unfortunately, corporate wheels sometimes grind slowly,
especially when a company is being acquired, and so it's taken until now
before the details were completely determined and a public statement could
be made.

BusLogic is not prepared at this time to release the information necessary
for third parties to write drivers for the FlashPoint.  The only existing
FlashPoint drivers have been written directly by BusLogic Engineering, and
there is no FlashPoint documentation sufficiently detailed to allow outside
developers to write a driver without substantial assistance.  While there
are people at BusLogic who would rather not release the details of the
FlashPoint architecture at all, that debate has not yet been settled either
way.  In any event, even if documentation were available today it would
take quite a while for a usable driver to be written, especially since I'm
not convinced that the effort required would be worthwhile.

However, BusLogic does remain committed to providing a high performance
SCSI solution for the Linux community, and does not want to see anyone left
unable to run Linux because they have a Flashpoint LT.  Therefore, BusLogic
has put in place a direct upgrade program to allow any Linux user worldwide
to trade in their FlashPoint LT for the new BT-948 MultiMaster PCI Ultra
SCSI Host Adapter.  The BT-948 is the Ultra SCSI successor to the BT-946C
and has all the best features of both the BT-946C and FlashPoint LT,
including smart termination and a flash PROM for easy firmware updates, and
is of course compatible with the present Linux driver.  The price for this
upgrade has been set at US $45 plus shipping and handling, and the upgrade
program will be administered through BusLogic Technical Support, which can
be reached by electronic mail at techsup@buslogic.com, by Voice at +1 408
654-0760, or by FAX at +1 408 492-1542.

As of 14 June 1996, the original BusLogic FlashPoint LT to BT-948 upgrade
program has now been extended to encompass the FlashPoint LW Wide Ultra
SCSI Host Adapter.  Any Linux user worldwide may trade in their FlashPoint
LW (BT-950) for a BT-958 MultiMaster PCI Ultra SCSI Host Adapter.  The
price for this upgrade has been set at US $65 plus shipping and handling.

I was a beta test site for the BT-948/958, and versions 1.2.1 and 1.3.1 of
my BusLogic driver already included latent support for the BT-948/958.
Additional cosmetic support for the Ultra SCSI MultiMaster cards was added
subsequent releases.  As a result of this cooperative testing process,
several firmware bugs were found and corrected.  My heavily loaded Linux
test system provided an ideal environment for testing error recovery
processes that are much more rarely exercised in production systems, but
are crucial to overall system stability.  It was especially convenient
being able to work directly with their firmware engineer in demonstrating
the problems under control of the firmware debugging environment; things
sure have come a long way since the last time I worked on firmware for an
embedded system.  I am presently working on some performance testing and
expect to have some data to report in the not too distant future.

BusLogic asked me to send this announcement since a large percentage of the
questions regarding support for the FlashPoint have either been sent to me
directly via email, or have appeared in the Linux newsgroups in which I
participate.  To summarize, BusLogic is offering Linux users an upgrade
from the unsupported FlashPoint LT (BT-930) to the supported BT-948 for US
$45 plus shipping and handling, or from the unsupported FlashPoint LW
(BT-950) to the supported BT-958 for $65 plus shipping and handling.
Contact BusLogic Technical Support at techsup@buslogic.com or +1 408
654-0760 to take advantage of their offer.

		Leonard N. Zubkoff
		lnz@dandelion.com


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> You know, it is not straightforward to keep *only* the intel binaries
> mirrored on another machine. I did write a preliminary mirror config file:
> 
> package=debian
> site=ftp.caldera.com
> remote_dir=/pub/mirrors/debian
> local_dir=/usr3/people/nathan/src/debian
> get_patt=(binary-all/|non-free/binary-i386/|non-free/binary/|contrib\
> /binary-i386/|contrib/binary/|buzz/binary/|buzz/binary-i386/|buzz-updates\
> /binary/|buzz-updates/binary-i386/|buzz-fixed/binary/|buzz-fixed/\
> binary-i386/|rex/binary-i386/|rex/binary/)
> 
> Does anyone have a better config file for this purpose?

Here is mine:  (symlinks to nonexistant files/dirs are not made by mirror)

  package=defaults
        site=ftp.debian.org
        remote_dir=/debian
        local_dir=linux/debian
        local_ignore+|^local/
        exclude_patt+|(^|/)(ls-|.ls-|source/|\..*|.*\.tar\.gz$|.*\.diff\.gz$|
  WebPages|debian-bugs/|debian-manual/|debian-lists/|kernel/|
  Packages$|Contents$|md5sums$|Maintainers$|Packages-|buzz|
  [Ii]ncoming|.*-alpha|.*-sparc|.*-m68k|.*-ppc|\ )

  package=debian
        use_files=true


(The "exclude_patt" is all on one line, actually.)
                                             
                                          Brian
                                 ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
                                             
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"Nathan O. Siemers":
> You know, it is not straightforward to keep *only* the intel binaries
> mirrored on another machine. I did write a preliminary mirror config file:
...
> Does anyone have a better config file for this purpose?

Here's a sanitized version of mine:

package=debian-rex
site=ftp.lh.umu.se
remote_dir=/pub/linux/debian/rex/
local_dir=/x/mirror/debian/rex/
get_newer=false
max_delete_files=50%
max_delete_dirs=10%
exclude_patt=(&
^buzz&
|^unstable&
|^upgrades&
|^project/experimental/dpkg&
|^debian-lists&
|^Incoming&
|ls-lR&
|(^|/)disks-&
|^WebPages&
|^debian-bugs&
|^indices/\.&
|^indices/md5sums$&
|[^be]/binary/&
|binary-[^ia]&
|binary-alpha&
|msdos&
|ms-dos&
|m68k&
)

It's full of old cruft, but perhaps it workable. My actual
rule is about three times longer, because I exclude a number
of packages I'm not interested in.

OTOH, using dpkg-ftp or dftp might be a better alternative.

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> Watch out so you don't run into an infinite loop:
> Suppose that you mount the target disk on /mnt, then 
> "cd /
> tar cf - . | (cd /mnt; tar xvlpf -)" 
> would copy some things to /mnt then copy /mnt/* to /mnt/mnt/ and so on.

It doesn't. I've been using this a lot lately while reorganising file
systems, and have never had a problem.




hamish


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 I had no problem in running dosemu (deb package 0.60.1?) that came with 
 Debian 1.1 with kernel 2.0.6 (I recompiled the kernele for other reasons 
 so I don't know if the standard in boot.bin could have give any trouble to 
 dosemu)
 Write to me if I can help you.

Lazaro
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On 04:17:39 mtorr@worldnet.fr wrote:
>>Has anyone succeeded in getting the latest versions of
>Dosemu to work? I can successfully compile, but can't
>insmod emumodule. Insmod dumps fifteen or so lines saying:
>
>xxxxx undefined
>...
>Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.7) don't
>match your linux-2.0.7
>
>What's going on?? Seems as if there are some system modules
>( I use a very modularized kernel ) which are not loaded.
>However, I use kerneld, so all neccessary mods should be there.
>
>Someone please help!!
>
>Thanx... :-)
No, it doesn't work here either.  My I-Connect CD was cut on 12 june.
I haven't fussed with it at all, but just wanted to respond that in my
case it doesn't work either.
Paul




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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> (1) Netscape 3.0B7 - non debian
> 
>     The backspace key doesn't work.  Is this a setup problem?

Put the following line in your /etc/X11/Xmodmap:
keycode 22 = BackSpace

Vad.

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Hello.
I have a problem with iBCS from 1.2.13 don't match 2.0.16.
I downloaded iBCS 2.0 but cannot compile this. I get warnings like
"function declaration isn't a prototype" and at the end of compilation
Error after executing "cc -pipe -b i486-linuxaout -c -o boot.o boot.S"
in the directory where boot.S found. The error message i have is "cc:
installation problem, cannot exec `cpp': no such file or directory" &
"*** [boot.o] Error 1", "*** [all] Error 2". I tried to compile iBCS
2.0 & 1.3 but get same errors. Help me if you can. Igor

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  Dolgopolsky Igor writes:
  Igor>  Hello.  I have a problem with iBCS from 1.2.13 don't match 2.0.16.
  Igor> I downloaded iBCS 2.0 but cannot compile this. 

You can just ignore the errors. I usually do "make" after un-tar-ing the
source, with no confih whatsoever and it works. The make breaks in the 2nd or
3rd subdirectory it visits --- but it does create the file "iBCS" in one of
the subdirs, and this is the module you are looking for. I usually move it to
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ibcs.o, and have a script insmod it when needed.

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> On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:
> >     The backspace key doesn't work.  Is this a setup problem?
> 
> Put the following line in your /etc/X11/Xmodmap:
> keycode 22 = BackSpace


I've found that I need to do a bit more then this because I use
emacs.

.Xmodmap
keycode 22      = BackSpace
keycode 107     = Delete

.Xresources
! Make VT100 Backspace send ^?, and Meta<Key>Backspace send ^[^?.
*VT100.Translations: #override ~Meta<Key>BackSpace: string(0x7F)\n\
			     Meta<Key>BackSpace: string(0x1B) string(0x7F)\n\

XTerm*eightBitInput:           False
XTerm*eightBitOutput:          True


.emacs
;;; Add a DELETE key if possible.
(define-key function-key-map [delete] nil)
(global-set-key [delete] 'delete-char)



Jim


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Hi all

Cna anynone please tell me how do I mirror a site?
Is there any howto?

what are the procedures? Which files shall I configure?

thanks

miguel


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Vadik Vygonets wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:
> 
> > (1) Netscape 3.0B7 - non debian
> >
> >     The backspace key doesn't work.  Is this a setup problem?
> 
> Put the following line in your /etc/X11/Xmodmap:
> keycode 22 = BackSpace
> 
> Vad.
 
I tried adding the line to /etc/X11/Xmodmap -- It didn't work.
I also tried creating  ~/.Xmodmap and ~/.xmodmaprc files with the 
same data.  These did not work either.

I tried typing xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace"   This worked for
the session.  I suppose I could put it in the .cshrc file but something
is still broken. 

It looks as if my /etc/X11/Xsession file is not being read.  Where
does this get called from?  I suspect that whatever is causing this
problem is also responsible for my xdm problem. /etc/X11/config also
looks OK.

Jim


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  Miguel> Cna anynone please tell me how do I mirror a site?  Is there any
  Miguel> howto?

No, but I've put a README with some documentation, as well as an example file
for ftp.debian.org, into the Debian mirror package. The manual page for
mirror is quite good.

  Miguel> what are the procedures? Which files shall I configure?

Install 
     ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/rex/binary-all/net/mirror_2.8-7.deb
and look at the example in /etc/mirror/packages/ftp.debian.org. I recommend
creating a package file per site in /etc/mirror/packages and then to start
the mirror as
	mirror /etc/mirror/packages/<site_name>

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help help :/
	i've been tring to setup majordomo and have done the following:

1 made '/etc/smail/lists' dir
2 did ln -s /var/lib/majordomo/lists /etc/smail/lists
3 added to /etc/smail/directors:
	aliasinclude:
		driver=aliasinclude,nobody;
		copysecure,copyowners
and
	lists:
		driver=forwardfile,
		caution,
		nobody,
		sender_okay,
		owner=owner-$user;
		file=lists/${lc:user}

4 made sure the proper aliases were in the /etc/aliases file
	majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
	list-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
	majordomo-owner: adren
	owner-majordomo: adren
and
	hottub-owner: adren
	hottub-approval: adren
	owner-hottub: hottub-owner
	hottub-request: majordomo
	hottub: :include: /etc/smail/lists/hottub

5 made a list-file 'hottub' in /var/lib/majordomo/lists which is also in
the /etc/smail/lists dir

	when sending mail to majordomo for help or lists it sends the
correct info back to me. if i send to the list i get the mail returned
with 'no such recipient'.  

	on another subject i find that sending mail locally is fine but
sending mail to a diff site it lags for about 30 - 45 seconds. i have
noticed a few time even longer. any ideas what causes this mail to hang
for this amount of time?

thanx for any help -rob

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  Hi all!

Yesterday evening i started installation of Debian-1.1.5 being well aware
about the need to use the bad_links_fix_1.1.5.tgz for fixing some troubles
related with the spoiled CD-ROM which i received like a few others too.
Using the 1,44" diskimages in buzz/disks-i386/current/ i managed without
any major problem to partition my harddrive and install a base system.
BTW, this is a well designed setup procedure to my mind.
But here installation is over for me. 

My Sony CD-ROM drive CDU31A doesn't get recognized at all by the debian
kernel, whereas there never was any problem with this for one year and a
half with a Slackware-based setup. Also Win95 has no problems with this
drive. Trying to install a loadable module via insmod or the Debian
installation routines just yields a "Initialization of cdu31a failed". 
When giving the kernel the proper I/O adress and IRQ like it worked before
(0x340,5) has no impact at all. In /dev there is not even mention made of
a 'cdu31a' although there exists a 'cdu31a.o' in the place where all
modules are to be found. 

My machine is a Vesa Local Bus 486DX-33 with 20MB RAM, two harddrives and
the CDU31A on a ISA CD-ROM controller by Sony. This is my first encounter
with Debian as well as with the 2.xx generation of the Linux kernel.

I tried pretty everything to find out why the drive is not recognized. I
even read the documentation provided on the CD-ROM by I-Connect and on the
Debian WWW server. Regrettably the man pages are still not accesible with
the barebones base installation. Right now i'm checking the Debian mailing
list archives at "http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives" but i didn't find
any hint so far...

Well, i can't proceed with the installation and i am pretty disappointed
up to this point that i'm so helpless right now. I need Linux for my
everyday work and really need to have a working system ASAP.

I'd really hope it is some dumb error of myself which prevents 
initialization of the CD drive but i just can't figure this out. Do you
need more information or is this sufficient for having an idea about what
is possibly a solution? 
                                              TIA, Paul *8^)
__ 
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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Miguel A. Avillez wrote:

> 
> Cna anynone please tell me how do I mirror a site?
> Is there any howto?
> 
> what are the procedures? Which files shall I configure?
> 

If you get the mirror package, the instructions are all there but in a 
nutshell, you will need to configure the files:
	/etc/mirror/packages/site.to.mirror
	/etc/mirror/mm/site.to.mirror
and then put a file in /etc/cron.daily called mirror which invokes the 
mirror-master program to do your mirroring.  As I said, this is all in 
the documentation.

Cheers,

Carlo

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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> It looks as if my /etc/X11/Xsession file is not being read.  Where
> does this get called from?  I suspect that whatever is causing this
> problem is also responsible for my xdm problem. /etc/X11/config also
> looks OK.

I'm sending you my /etc/X11/Xsession, install it with permissions 755,
owned by root.root, of course.  This is the standard debian Xsession
(maybe it's corrupted on your system).  Run "xmodmap /etc/X11/Xmodmap" or
re-login after installing this file...  But I can see you're not a newbie
:)

All the best,
Vad.

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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> It looks as if my /etc/X11/Xsession file is not being read.  Where
> does this get called from?  I suspect that whatever is causing this
> problem is also responsible for my xdm problem. /etc/X11/config also
> looks OK.

Oh I forgot...  it must be called from xdm or xinit.  All the output of
this file must go to ~/.xsession-errors, so try to echo some debug info
from /etc/X11/Xsession and look wether it's in the file.  The permissions
and owner of this file are:
marvin:/etc/X11> ls -lFd /etc /etc/X11 /etc/X11/Xsession
drwxr-xr-x  28 root     root         3072 Sep  7 04:14 /etc/
drwxr-xr-x   9 root     root         1024 Jun 29 22:54 /etc/X11/
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root         1534 May  7 18:00 /etc/X11/Xsession*

Good luck.
Vad.

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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, James A. Robinson wrote:

> .Xmodmap
> keycode 22      = BackSpace
> keycode 107     = Delete

107 is Delete by default.

> Jim

The .xresources and .emacs code is nice, thanks, I copied it to my
configs.

Vad.

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Hi Jim --
You said:
> I tried adding the line to /etc/X11/Xmodmap -- It didn't work.
> I also tried creating  ~/.Xmodmap and ~/.xmodmaprc files with the 
> same data.  These did not work either.

Did you run xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc after you changed it?  If not, then the
edits you made wouldn't have any effect. 

Edits to the system file (/etc/X11/Xmodmap) are meant to be read in 
during X initialization, either by the system xinitrc or by the system
Xsession file, both of which are in /etc/X11.

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Hi Tim--
You asked:
> Can some kind soul tell me if there is a libg++ for the aout compiler,

I have an old a.out system on a disk partition that I mount once in a while.
It has all the libg++ files on it.  However, I do not have the old libg++ 
debian package.  I can make you a tar file using the contents of the current
libg++ package if you like.  Let me know if that would suffice.

Cheers,
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You may be giving the module the wrong argument (for that version, at least).
Try "modprobe cdu31 cdu31a=0x340,5" . Also, add ",PAS" to that if you are using
the CD connector on a Pro Audio Spectrum card.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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In your email to me, Susan G. Kleinmann, you wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim--
> You asked:
> > Can some kind soul tell me if there is a libg++ for the aout compiler,
> 
> I have an old a.out system on a disk partition that I mount once in a while.
> It has all the libg++ files on it.  However, I do not have the old libg++ 
> debian package.  I can make you a tar file using the contents of the current
> libg++ package if you like.  Let me know if that would suffice.

That may get me out of a jam with this client... as long as it will
run from the typical aout place the rest of the stuff is..

Thanks,
Tim

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Hi Danny--
In what are by now prehistoric times you said:
> I tried to compile kermit 5A(190) and the make failed,
> complaining that it couldn't find -ltermcap.

Bill Mitchell bequeathed to me the kermit package, and building a new one
is on my list of todo's.  I'm hoping I get organized to do this within a 
couple of weeks, and your note provides further motivation.  Meantime, be 
aware that Bill already worried about this problem, and his fixes are in 
the sources he left me.  If you want them before I get the package built, 
let me know and I'll send them to you.

Sorry I a) didn't see your note sooner, and b) haven't gotten a new
package out yet.  

Susan Kleinmann


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>>>>> "DG" == David Gaudine <david@annette.concordia.ca> writes:

 DG> On 6 Sep 1996, Juri Pakaste wrote:

 >> Wouldn't comp.os.linux.distrib.debian.* or something similar be
 >> better? If users of other distributions decide that they'd like to
 >> have newsgroups too, things would be pretty confusing with
 >> c.o.l.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
 >> linux-ft}.* etc.

 DG> As opposed to
 DG> c.o.l.d.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
 DG> linux-ft}.* ?

 DG> Of course the difference is that these would be clearly separated
 DG> from {misc,hardware,networking,announce,setup,answers,x} but that
 DG> doesn't seem important.

A matter of taste, I guess. I'd prefer the distribution specific
groups to be labeled as such, so that they would be grouped
together. Of course, most of the distributions I mentioned probably
won't need newsgroups - most of them probably don't even have mailing
lists. But if even a few of them got newsgroups and they were called
c.o.l.<distributionname>.*, it would be harder to locate the groups
there are today among all the new ones.

-- 
Juri Pakaste/jurip@icon.fi		


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> What's wrong with base14-3.bin ? It's been on the FTP site for at least
> a month with no other complaint.
> 
I don't know whats wrong with them . But :
1)
     when I created the disks , I could not install the "base " pkg.
2) 
     So I downloaded the files again -> the same bug.
3)
     For last check I used md5sum and my suspitions were upruved.

can I still be wrong ?

to remind you the file are :
1) base12-4.bin
2) base14-3.bin

Thanks.
 Igor.
 
==================================================
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> [Question about how to neatly change the eepro driver CSR address]
> 
> If it's a module, try "modprobe eepro io=0x230". If that works, add it
> to /etc/conf.modules . Otherwise, just add 0x230 to eepro_portlist.
> 
Adding 0x230 to eepro_portlist doesn't work.  Only 0x240 is checked.  
I don't know why, because I never specified that my card would be on 
0x240.  
Yes, it's a module.  I'll check if modprobe eepro io=0x230 works ...

> 	Bruce
> 
Jan



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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960907111926.12588A-100000@timberwolf> you write:
>
>help help :/
>	i've been tring to setup majordomo and have done the following:
>
>1 made '/etc/smail/lists' dir
>2 did ln -s /var/lib/majordomo/lists /etc/smail/lists
>3 added to /etc/smail/directors:
>	aliasinclude:
>		driver=aliasinclude,nobody;
>		copysecure,copyowners
>and
>	lists:
>		driver=forwardfile,
>		caution,
>		nobody,
>		sender_okay,
>		owner=owner-$user;
>		file=lists/${lc:user}
>
>4 made sure the proper aliases were in the /etc/aliases file
>	majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
>	list-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
>	majordomo-owner: adren
>	owner-majordomo: adren
>and
>	hottub-owner: adren
>	hottub-approval: adren
>	owner-hottub: hottub-owner
>	hottub-request: majordomo
>	hottub: :include: /etc/smail/lists/hottub
                         ^

I think you don't want a space there.  You may need to quote the whole
address, as well.

>5 made a list-file 'hottub' in /var/lib/majordomo/lists which is also in
>the /etc/smail/lists dir

Have you read the majordomo `README' file wrt permissions, etc.  Note
that recent versions of the `base' package broke the Majordomo
package, don't know if it's been fixed yet.

>	when sending mail to majordomo for help or lists it sends the
>correct info back to me. if i send to the list i get the mail returned
>with 'no such recipient'.  

Might need to see the full bounce.

Things work fine for me without messing around with /etc/smail/lists
or the lists director.

-- 
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Vadik Vygonets wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:
> 
> > It looks as if my /etc/X11/Xsession file is not being read.

After several hours of floundering, I got xdm working. xdm was not
running, I believe because some of the xdm startup files including
/etc/X11/Xsession were not executable.
One of the files in the /etc/X11/xdm directory was missing.

I've found that if there is an installation problem, that merely
rerunning dpkg -i on the .deb package won't necessarily resolve the
problem even if no error messages are reported on the second try.  I've
found that the bad install must first be removed before trying a
reinstall.  This has been the cause of most the installation problems
that I have encountered.
 
> Oh I forgot...  it must be called from xdm or xinit.  All the output of
> this file must go to ~/.xsession-errors, so try to echo some debug info
> from /etc/X11/Xsession and look wether it's in the file.

I tried echoing messages from the /etc/X11/Xsession file.  I found that
this
file only gets invoked from xdm.  It does not get invoked from xstart or
xinit.
Since /etc/X11/Xmodmap is called from /etc/X11/Xsession, it also would
not be
invoked from xinit.

I prefer using xinit over xdm since I use several different windows
managers.  I ended up putting the statement "xmodmap .Xmodmap" in my
.xinitrc file.  I don't care for the long script provided in the system
xinitrc file.  It is actually a link to the /etc/X11/Xsession file.  I
don't include the script in my .xinitrc file since it makes maintenance
of my desktop difficult. I like to use the save desktop module thats
provided with fvwm2-95.  If the script is present, I have to do a lot of
editing.  It would be nice if both the system xinitrc and the ~/.xinitrc
could be called.  The system file for the scripts and the .xinitrc for
the desktop.  The system file, however is not invoked if the user's file
is present.

Thanks for the help,

Jim


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I refuse to believe that it takes a 4.5 MB executable (no, it's not
statically linked) to have a useful X web browser.

I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
one thing).  I also tried arena (beta-3), but it seems, well, like
there's substantial room for improvement in the stability department,
but W3C is not planning on supporting it long term.

What is everyone else using?  Since this could generate a lot of traffic,
perhaps it would be appropriate just to mail me directly, and I'll
summarize to the list.

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Hello,

Actually this termcap thing is beginning to get annoying.  There are at
least two other packages I want to add that are not supported by anyone
yet.  The most important being scilab, but it won't compile the way debian
has changed termcaps.  I must have spent a day trying to redo the makefile
and trying to create links to give the illusion that the libtermcaps were
there, but gave up trying.  I added the other package that is supposed to
allow debian users to compile these types of packages and that didn't work
either.  Is there anyway to get around this, or do I just need to go to Red
Hat or something?  Is whatever improvement that is supposed to be gained by
this termcap change worth the hassle of having to fight to get all these
undebianized packages to work?

Craig


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	Please help me locate all files needed to download Debian 1.1 .

	Thank You


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Tell me where the source for "scilab" is, and I will remove its termcap
dependence. I'm a reasonably competent ncurses programmer.

Supporting two terminal management mechanisms would not be a good idea.

	Bruce


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	Please help me .  I wish to download Debian 1.1 from ftp://ftp.debian
.org .  What files must I download for an  IBM 486 computer.

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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> You may be giving the module the wrong argument (for that version, at
> least).  Try "modprobe cdu31 cdu31a=0x340,5" . Also, add ",PAS" to that
> if you are using the CD connector on a Pro Audio Spectrum card. 
>
Until now i tried installation maybe 8 or 9 times, maybe more (i didn't
count). Everything went fine but the cdu31a doesn't become recognized in
no way whatever i do. I tried so far:

1.) At booting of the install boot disk:

    Adding parameter as "cdu31a=0x340,5", naturally without the `"' and as
    i don't have a PAS i didn't pass any information about one to the
    kernel. As a variation i put a few times "cdu31a=0x340,05" but this
    was not very succesful either.

2.) After installation of the base system via the setup screen as offered
    by the debian install:

    I choose CDU-31-A as CD drive module and tried to install it with the
    parameters "0x340,5". Output: "Initialisation of cdu31a failed." 
     
3.) After reboot of the system with the newly installed kernel from a
    custom boot disk:

    I tried installion of the module with "insmod cdu31a" but again the
    only output was just "Initialisation of cdu31a failed."

In /dev there is no entry "cdu31a" to be found and trying to execute
"./MAKEDEV cdu31a" yields a "Don't know how to make /dev/cdu31a" or
something similar (I'm not at home right now to check the exact strings). 

I don't understand this by no means. I'll try the way you wrote, Bruce,
but i suspect there is a typo in your prescription? Shouldn't it better be
"modprobe cdu31a cdu31a=0x340,5"? 
             ^^^ 
I don't have a PAS and use the interface card provided by Sony. Maybe i
should tell the kernel definitely that there is no PAS at all with
something like "PAS=0"?
                                          Thank you, Paul *8^)
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Hi Bruce --
You said:
> Supporting two terminal management mechanisms would not be a good idea.

It would probably be a good idea to remind folks (in the FAQ or wherever)
about the rationale for using curses vs. termcap.  I tried to find one
using AltaVista and DejaNews, but I'll bet you can guess what a snowstorm
of "information" that yielded.  I understand that ncurses provides more
support for shared libraries (than curses), but that's all I could find 
so far.  Any additional pointers would be helpful.

Also, I'm guessing that we'll need to edit the FAQ to give far more
complete answers re: how-to-compile-or-use-termcap.  I don't know the
answers to this yet.  (My eyes tend to glaze over when anyone starts to
talk about compilers.)  If you have any specific suggestions, I'd be
happy to incorporate them.  Else, I'll make a general plea for help when
I get to this part of the FAQ again.

Cheers,
Susan


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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> While on the kernel subject, I'm having problems insmoding the
> emumod module of dosemu. After a successful compile, emumod
> won't load, saying:
> 
> xxxx undefined
> .... (repeated fifteen or so times)
> Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.17) don't match your
> linux-2.0.17
[...]

I've used the following while in /usr/src/dosemu to load syscallmgr.o and
emumodule.o from dosemu version 0.63.1.74 on a 2.0.14 debian system;

./bin/insmod -Z /System.map ./modules/syscallmgr.o

./bin/insmod -l -Z /System.map ./modules/emumodule.o

The thing that's special for debian is the "-Z /System.map". Debian puts
it's System.map file in / instead of /usr/src/linux where dosemu's custom
insmod looks for it.

Another debian specific thing I encountered while trying to compile dosemu
where problems with kernel headers. Debian keeps it's own set of kernel
headers seperate from the kernel. This can confuse dosemu if the headers are
from a different version of the kernel than the one you are actually
running. That's because dosmeu looks in the kernel headers for the version.h
file to try to figure out what version of kernel you are compiling it
against. I once hacked up the configure files for dosemu to add a
-I/usr/src/linux/include/ to the CFLAGS but the last time I didn't bother
and just added the link in /usr/include before I started and fixed
/usr/include back up when I was done.

I hape this has helped. Note that this is the first time I've _ever_ gotten
dosemu's emumodule to load on either my former slackware distribution or my
existing debian system. Now that I've gotten it loaded I haven't seen any
real advantage. Anyone know how to make the emulated vga graphics work under
X?

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If you think about it, c.o.l is really a misnomer.  Linux is not really 
the operating system.  Debian is the operating system.  Linux is just a 
kernel, that many operating systems have based themselves on because it's 
freely available and it has a lot of support on the net.  

In that light, putting the debian.* groups after c.o.l would make lots of 
sense.  

However, I have thought of something that has bothered me ever since I 
first proposed this idea a few weeks ago.  I remember reading in one of 
the groups that someone hoped that the c.o.l groups would never start 
splitting into distribution based areas, because it would fragmant the 
groups.  I don't know if this is still the widely held belief, but it 
could be, and I do see where that person came from.

Shaya
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netscape is a motif application, and all motif application will show that 
behavior, there is a program written by one of the people at netscape 
that is included in some X distributions.  If you want it look at the 
netscape faq at netscape site, it will give you a link to the program.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> I'm having the following problems, any suggestions woulg be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> Jim
> 
> (1) Netscape 3.0B7 - non debian
> 
>     The backspace key doesn't work.  Is this a setup problem?
>     I'm using TCSH shell
> 
> (2) xdm - Debian 1.1.0 release
> 
>     The Debian login window appears, After a correct login it tries
>     to do something (a few horizontal bars across the root window) 
>     and then the login window re-appears. Same process repeats
>     resulting in an endless loop. 
> 
>     An incorrect login produces a red incorrect login message as
>     it should. Any Ideas?
> 
>     startx works fine.
> 
> 


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> Found to my great surprise that netscape now doesn't default to ghostview'ing
> a .ps file --- could you post me your /etc/mailcap file to overcome this?

It's a bug in Netscape that causes it not to poperly evaluate the test
condiditon.  I have reported this bug to Netscape, so hopefully it will
be fixed in the next revision.  For some reason they 'tolower' the entire
test line so that variables like "$DISPLAY" become "$display" which makes
it useless.

The best thing to do for now is to copy the ghostview line into the "user"
section and omit the 'test' clause.  Something like:

  # ----- User Section Begins ----- #
  application/postscript; /usr/bin/X11/ghostview %s
  # -----  User Section Ends  ----- #

You should remove this line once Netscape gets fixed, though.
                                             
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> I choose CDU-31-A as CD drive module and tried to install it with the
> parameters "0x340,5".

Oh darn. I gave the wrong advice.

Try:

	modprobe cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5

If you use "modconf" (the module configuration menu) use the arguments

	cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5

Thanks

Bruce


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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Rosenberg Yigal wrote:

> 
> > What's wrong with base14-3.bin ? It's been on the FTP site for at least
> > a month with no other complaint.
> > 
> I don't know whats wrong with them . But :
> 1)
>      when I created the disks , I could not install the "base " pkg.
> 2) 
>      So I downloaded the files again -> the same bug.
> 3)
>      For last check I used md5sum and my suspitions were upruved.
> 
> can I still be wrong ?
> 
> to remind you the file are :
> 1) base12-4.bin
> 2) base14-3.bin
> 
You can't mix base12 with base14 images. Base12 are for 1.2 meg 5 1/4"
floppies and base14 are for 1.4 meg 3 1/2" floppies. You should be
building either 3, 3 1/2" disks or 4, 5 1/4" ones.

Luck,

Dwarf

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> (1) Netscape 3.0B7 - non debian
> 
>     The backspace key doesn't work.  Is this a setup problem?
>     I'm using TCSH shell

You need to tell Netscape how to find the XKeySymDB file.  Try this:

setenv XKEYSYMDB /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB

Or, use the Debian package.
                                             
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Just wondering, are you using the load_module.sh script or trying to 
insmod the modules plainly.  Dosemu comes with a special version of 
insmod.  When I run it from the script, it runs perfectly, only when I 
run insmod plain does it fail like that.

Hope this helps,

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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> While on the kernel subject, I'm having problems insmoding the
> emumod module of dosemu. After a successful compile, emumod
> won't load, saying:
> 
> xxxx undefined
> .... (repeated fifteen or so times)
> Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.17) don't match your
> linux-2.0.17
> 
> This has also happened with the debianized kernel packages. I think that there
> is something different in the debian kernel/module architecture, compared to
> slackware or redhat, which maybe I am bot familiar with.
> 
> Any help, guys?
> 
> Thanx for all the help :-)
> 
> 


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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Bill Roman wrote:

roman>I refuse to believe that it takes a 4.5 MB executable (no, it's not
roman>statically linked) to have a useful X web browser.
roman>
roman>I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
roman>one thing).  I also tried arena (beta-3), but it seems, well, like
roman>there's substantial room for improvement in the stability department,
roman>but W3C is not planning on supporting it long term.
roman>
roman>What is everyone else using?  Since this could generate a lot of traffic,
roman>perhaps it would be appropriate just to mail me directly, and I'll
roman>summarize to the list.

use lynx
fast , small , simple , and useful :)
/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems/www/lynx2-5.binelf.tgz

Enjoy!

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"Brian C. White" writes:
-> > Found to my great surprise that netscape now doesn't default to ghostview'
ing
-> > a .ps file --- could you post me your /etc/mailcap file to overcome this?
-> 
-> It's a bug in Netscape that causes it not to poperly evaluate the test
-> condiditon.  I have reported this bug to Netscape, so hopefully it will
-> be fixed in the next revision.  For some reason they 'tolower' the entire
-> test line so that variables like "$DISPLAY" become "$display" which makes
-> it useless.
-> 
-> The best thing to do for now is to copy the ghostview line into the "user"
-> section and omit the 'test' clause.  Something like:
-> 

I also reported this bug.  However, it seems like Netscape 3.0 (at
least the later betas) messes around with making a Windows-like
configuration for helper apps, rather than letting you specify an
alternate mailcap file, like it used to.  The problem is, if you use
this to do anything at all, it'll stomp over any test clauses, and
extra entries that use it.  It's a major point against netscape
IMHO. The way I found to avoid this problem is to copy your .mailcap
file to, say, .mailcap.netscape and make it X-specific (no test
fields), then edit .netscape/preferences by hand, and change the
PERSONAL_MAILCAP: entry to point to the copy you made.  It says in the
preferences file not to edit it by hand, but it's the only way to
change it in newer releases (sigh).

HTH

-Larry

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Splitting up the debian-user list is a good idea, but all those groups 
should probably mirrored on a debian-user type mailing list, for the 
people who do want to be getting all the mail.

Just my $0.02

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After installing debian recently, I've started getting messages from
the cron processes that it cannot find the 'savelog' command.  I looked
for it on my system and cannot find it.  Anyone know which package this
belongs to?

Thanks...


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Hi Susan, 

"Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@sgk.tiac.net> writes:

> It would probably be a good idea to remind folks (in the FAQ or wherever)
> about the rationale for using curses vs. termcap.  I tried to find one
> using AltaVista and DejaNews, but I'll bet you can guess what a snowstorm
> of "information" that yielded.  I understand that ncurses provides more
> support for shared libraries (than curses), but that's all I could find 
> so far.  Any additional pointers would be helpful.

I could certainly use some more education on the ncurses/terminfo vs.
curses/termcap usage issues, but you could draw on the reasons in the
ncurses documentation--in /usr/doc/ncurses-dev, and on the web at

	http://www.ccil.org/~esr/ncurses.html
and	http://ltpwww.gsfc.nasa.gov:81/ltpcf/about/unix/Depotdoc/ncurses/ 

(I don't know if the second one's canonical.)

These are the parts that say the whole combination's more powerful, and
curses and termcap are supposed to be on the way out.  They don't say
that the binary terminfo files are much faster than the ascii termcap
definitions; I don't know where I've been reading that, sorry.

>From the announce:

 "The ncurses library is a freeware emulation of System V Release 4.0
curses. It uses terminfo format, supports color and multiple highlights
and forms characters, and function-key mapping, and has all the other
SYSV-curses enhancements over BSD curses.

   In mid-June 1995, the maintainer of 4.4BSD curses declared that he
considered 4.4BSD curses obsolete, and is encouraging the keepers of
Unix releases such as BSD/OS, freeBSD and netBSD to switch over to
ncurses."

And from the ncurses intro:

 "System III UNIX from Bell Labs featured a rewritten and much-improved
curses library. It introduced the terminfo format. Terminfo is based on
Berkeley's termcap database, but contains a number of improvements and
extensions. Parameterized capabilities strings were introduced, making
it possible to describe multiple video attributes, and colors and to
handle far more unusual terminals than possible with termcap. In the
later AT&T System V releases, curses evolved to use more facilities and
offer more capabilities, going far beyond BSD curses in power and
flexibility."

hth?

I think I'll be posting my own latest ncurses compilation question soon
:-)

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I started updating my old netscape3.0b5 today with the 3.0 linux-elf binary
released recently on their FTP server.

Relaying on my experience with earlier versions I proceeded with the
update assuming that netscape WILL INCORPORATE MY OLD BOOKMARKS into the new
configuration.

In vain! It deleted the bookmarks.html file completely...

O.K. I made yesterday the obligatory full system backup, so I didn't scream
vor vengence, but it was embarassing, isn't it?

Could it be the Debian netscape installation package netscape_3.0.deb that
wiped out something? (I don't thing so) ?

Any way! You users/developers out there in DEBIAN Land and beyound might
consider it paying more attention to this toy when upgradeing.

:-(

PS: Lets find the backup tape now...

regards,
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> Try:
> 	modprobe cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5
> 
> If you use "modconf" (the module configuration menu) use the arguments
> 
> 	cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5
> 
Yeah, wow! This did the trick! But why is it not documented in the help
text which is accessible at boot up of the installation disks by pressing
the key F4? It wrongly suggests to add as parameter "cdu31a=0x3XX,X" or
something like that. This even sounds rather plausible if you know this
already from other more or less broken distributions! This is definitely a
bug in the installation routine! What a pity that i lost so much time
trying to find it out...

Well, i think it's time to compose some kind of an Debian-Installation-FAQ
just for these kind of cases. An FAQ of this kind would have saved me and
probably others lots of time and frustration. Anybody interested in
contributing to such an FAQ? Let's see if i can manage to maintain it and
learn from it!

BTW, i didn't succeed installation anyway. :-( 

After my CD drive was recognized and the bad-links-fix package from
i-Connect (i received a broken Debian-1.1.5 CD from them) was installed as
described in their README i could use dselect to select my packages and
everything. (This 'dselect' is to my mind a rather awkward program and i
didn't enjoy installation with it very much...) But after completion of
all selections when i started 'Install' i just got following error
message (i wrote it down at home and went to our institute for mailing
it):
- -----------------cut-here----------------------------------------------
Running dpkg -iGROEB /tmp/Debian-1.1.6/stable/binary-i386
find: /tmp/Debian-1.1.6/stable/binary-i386/admin/sudo_1.4.4-2.deb: No such
file or directory
find: /tmp/Debian-1.1.6/stable/binary-i386/base/mount_2.5l-1.deb: No such
file or directory
dpkg: subprocess find returned error exit status 1
installation script returned error exit status 1.
Press RETURN to continue.
- -----------------cut-here----------------------------------------------

Well, i tried continuation and repeated everything various times. The
files which are not found by find are definetely there right in the place
as reported in the error message. They are just there waiting for 'find'
and this damn 'find' just chooses to ignore them for whatever reason there
is!!!!!? Can't 'find' handle symbolic links on a CD ROM?  At this point i
just had to give in. Looks like a case for i-Connect anyway...

I think this is just incredible! When i was a complete clueless newbie who
didn't even know how to pronounce UNIX or Linux and was a complete Windoze
addict one and a half year ago i managed to setup a Slackware based system
due to proper documentation in little more than a day. And up to this
moment i barely managed to install a Debian-1.1 base system since friday
evening being stuck again on monday morning... This ain't no good!

I'd really wish it to be easier for a non informatics guy like me! Maybe i
should switch to Redhat, but i like the idea behind Debian and GNU and
actually want to install it on two Linux boxes which i am maintaining at
our institute. But these frustrating experiences with my testdrive at my
private box give me something to think about...

Well, now it is almost 2:30 in the middle of the night and i am tired,
pretty desillusioned and rather frustrated about my Debian experiences so
far. I'll go home to sleep now and hope to get my Debian system up and
running some time really soon. I depend on a Linux box and i definitely
want it to be a GNU/Debian machine in any case! 
                                                  Good night, Paul *8^)
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Sep  9 03:53:44 sim modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10
any ideas what that module mean?
and another one
where can i look for module aliases execpt /etc/module.conf
i saw it somewhere
but can't remmeber now
thks
borik

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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Matthew D Moss wrote:

> After installing debian recently, I've started getting messages from
> the cron processes that it cannot find the 'savelog' command.  I looked
> for it on my system and cannot find it.  Anyone know which package this
> belongs to?

It's in the package debianutils. It should have been installed by default
on your system (it's an essential package)... Or maybe something removed
savelog by accident on your system. 

Anyway, reinstalling debianutils should fix it.

  Christian



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In reply to moss@hoopy.nurk.com (Matthew D Moss)

> After installing debian recently, I've started getting messages from
> the cron processes that it cannot find the 'savelog' command.  I looked
> for it on my system and cannot find it.  Anyone know which package this
> belongs to?
> 

i think its in the cron package

cheers

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don't forget "amaya", w3c's replacement for arena.  (Then again, if I
want *information* I use lynx or emacs w3. emacs w3 is often more
convenient in conjunction with gnus and All Things Emacs; lynx is a
lot faster and easy for standalone use... and it's a rather nice ftp
client :-)


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Hi Paul --

You said:
> Well, i think it's time to compose some kind of an Debian-Installation-FAQ
> just for these kind of cases. An FAQ of this kind would have saved me and
> probably others lots of time and frustration. Anybody interested in
> contributing to such an FAQ? Let's see if i can manage to maintain it and
> learn from it!

Have you found the FAQ (published on any Debian site in the directory
doc/FAQ) to be inadequate?  If so, can you suggest some changes?
(This is not meant tongue-in-cheek.  I don't know if you missed it,
or if it just didn't help.)
Susan Kleinmann


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I did a ps and found these getty ports running:

186   2 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty2
187   3 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty3
188   4 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty4 
189   5 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty5 
190   6 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty6

I only have 2 serial ports ttyS0 and ttyS1. 
Should these getty ports be running?
How are these ports accessed?  
Are they physical RS-232 ports?

Jim


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>>> On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 01:30:37 +0200 (MET DST), Stoyan Kenderov <kenderov@xlink.net> said:

Stoyan> I started updating my old netscape3.0b5 today with the 3.0
Stoyan> linux-elf binary released recently on their FTP server.

Stoyan> Relaying on my experience with earlier versions I proceeded
Stoyan> with the update assuming that netscape WILL INCORPORATE MY OLD
Stoyan> BOOKMARKS into the new configuration.

Stoyan> In vain! It deleted the bookmarks.html file completely...

Stoyan> O.K. I made yesterday the obligatory full system backup, so I
Stoyan> didn't scream vor vengence, but it was embarassing, isn't it?

Stoyan> Could it be the Debian netscape installation package
Stoyan> netscape_3.0.deb that wiped out something? (I don't thing so)
Stoyan> ?

<snip>

Installation of 3.0 by hand did nothing crazy to my bookmarks file.

nathan

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From: Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
> On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Rosenberg Yigal wrote:
> > to remind you the file are :
> > 1) base12-4.bin
> > 2) base14-3.bin
> > 
> You can't mix base12 with base14 images. Base12 are for 1.2 meg 5 1/4"
> floppies and base14 are for 1.4 meg 3 1/2" floppies. You should be
> building either 3, 3 1/2" disks or 4, 5 1/4" ones.

Is that what you are doing, Yigal? You should be using

	base12-1.bin base12-2.bin base12-3.bin base12-4.bin

if you have a 1.2 MB floppy, and

	base14-1.bin base14-2.bin base14-3.bin

if you have a 1.44 MB floppy.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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 @SUBJECT:Debian (not Linux) newbie question #2                       N
Hi again all...

Question #2 of problems getting Debian install.  I tried a test install of
Pacific Hi-Tech's Debian 1.1.1 CD-ROM on another hard drive (not the one
I'm trying to backup) on Friday. All went okay until I got to the part
about making a boot floppy. 

When prompted I stuck a blank floppy in drive a:.  The installation
program churned out a bunch of 'probing for floppy0' messages and
eventually died with 'can't find device' error.  I figured it was a bad
floppy, so I stuck in another.  Same result.  Stuck in a third disk. Same
thing again.

I finally booted Red Hat and just copied over my 2.0.17 kernel to a
floppy, ran rdev to set / properly.  When I rebooted with the floppy
Debian came up.

My question is, am I doing something wrong with the Debian installation or
is there a bug in 1.1.1? 

Debian looks like an interesting Linux distribution to play with--as soon
as I get things properly backed up and installed. :-)

Thanks in advance for any help y'all can offer.

          Bob  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 *   Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.


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 @SUBJECT:Debian (not Linux) newbie question #1                       N
Hi all,

I've been running Linux for almost a year now.  I started with Slackware,
moved to Red Hat 3.0.3 now I want to move to Debian.  I will be moving
Red Hat to another machine once I get Debian configured the way I want.

I am having two problems getting things set up.  One is related to Debian,
the other is more Linux in general but I hope someone can get me pointed
in the proper direction.

First problem is about the backup utilities tob and taper.  Up until
recently, I have been able to backup my hard drives to tape (floppy tape
drive using zftape v1.05) using a single 200 MB (uncompressed) tape.  The
drive is 1.6 GB and until recently it has not been too full.  However, I
have now reached the point where I need more than one tape and this is
where my trouble started.

When I use tob and get to the end of the first tape, afio doesn't prompt
for another tape.  All it is does it print a 'tape full' error for every
remaining file.  In /etc/tob.rc, I have the BACKUPCMD set to:

BACKUPCMD='afio -oxZv -b 10240 -s0 -T 3k -G 9 $BACKUPDEV < $FILELIST'

The -b 10240 was necessary because without it afio complains about a bad
block size while writing to the tape.

If I understand the man page for afio, -s0 should make afio pause when a
tape fills.  It doesn't.  With -s0, afio behavior is the same.  It keeps
trying writing to the full tape.

I tried using using taper (with zftape).  When the tape fills up, taper
chokes with a child segmentation error in a dialog box.  If I click on the
'OK', taper just hangs.  When I didn't fill the tape, taper would work
just fine.

I've seen folks mention on the list use both tob and taper with success,
so I must be doing something wrong.  Can someone give me a clue to what it
is? :-)  Thanks!

            Bob
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 *   Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.


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From: Boris Beletsky <borik@isracom.co.il>
> Sep  9 03:53:44 sim modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10

You are running kerneld. You go to open a character device with major
number 10. There is no driver for the device and kerneld tries to load
it. Do this command:

	ls /dev |grep "10,"

and you will see those devices - you are trying to open one of them.
Perhaps one of the mouse interfaces?

	Bruce


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[Why do I have gettys running on tty1 through tty6? I only have 2 serial ports]

These are virtual consoles using your VGA card. Push LeftAlt-F2 on your console
(I think it's Control-LeftAlt-F2 or Shift-LeftAlt-F2 if you are running X) and
you will be on tty2. And so on for Alt-F3, through Alt-F6. You can set up
some rediculous number (like 64) of virtual consoles and access them via
various combinations of the left and right alt keys, shift, and the function
keys. By default we only run getty on the first 6.

	Bruce


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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 00:41:50 EDT Joey Hess (joey@kite.preferred.com) 
wrote:

> I'm a new debian developer, and though everything else is working fine,
> I'm not signed up to the debian-devel mailing list. I've tried mailing
> the owner, sending subscribe messages to the listserver, etc, and I've
> never gotten any response back (It's been weeks). So, a last plea here:
> how can I sign up to that mailing list?

I have the same problem here !
I you find out, email me please.

Phil.



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I would not like to see the mailing list exchanged for a news group.
My news source is very slow and unreliable.  I do not seem to get a
lot of the messages.

Split the mailing list, but do not get rid of it all together.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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I have updated my Linux Version from buzz to rex. During this update
the GNU-C compiler Release 2.7.2 was replaced by Version 2.7.2.1.

After this I have detected, that the Fortran Compiler g77 is not 
working longer since it was based on 2.7.2. I have than copied all
the stuff from the 2.7.2 Version subdirectory to 2.7.2.1. Now 
the compiler was working but only half. As son as I try to link an
absolute module it crashes. I think this is because of some internal
incompatibility between 2.7.2 and 2.7.2.1.

Now I am searching for a g77 implementation which is working with 
gcc-2.7.2.1 (from current rex release). I would be happy if someone could
point me to the right link.

Thanks a lot in advance


Hartmut


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 I hope its a typo since
 ttyN is not the same as ttySN (N=0,1,....etc)
 e.g., terminals vs. serial lines.

Said that, by default I had more that the really 
existing serial lines (ttySN) configured
To fix that edit the file you'll get after


# find /etc | xargs grep tty

I remember editing that file as recommended in it. 
Bruce: That could be part of the installation process in 
Debian 1.2 maybe.
 









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Subject: Getty ports - dumb  question
Author:  jworthington@worldnet.att.net at cclink
Date:    09.09.96 10:02


I did a ps and found these getty ports running:

186   2 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty2
187   3 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty3
188   4 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty4 
189   5 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty5 
190   6 S     0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty6

I only have 2 serial ports ttyS0 and ttyS1. 
Should these getty ports be running?
How are these ports accessed?  
Are they physical RS-232 ports?

Jim




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                        Hello,

        I'm new to Unix and just installing Debian Linux base
system (07-14-96). At first all goes well, except that I have
to use fdisk instead of cfdisk because of lack of memory, but
at the end of kernel installation I get the message like this :
 Unresolved symbols in module lib/mod/2.0.6/fs/nfs.o
 Unresolved symbols in module lib/mod/2.0.6/net/de4x5.o
 Unresolved symbols in module lib/mod/current/fs/nfs.o
 Unresolved symbols in module lib/mod/current/net/de4x5.o
Determining module dependencies
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 Unresolved symbols in module lib/mod/current/fs/nfs.o
 Unresolved symbols in module lib/mod/current/net/de4x5.o

        After that program pretends that all is O.K. Sometimes
just before that message system remains still for at least 20 min.
until I switch to second console, then reading from floppy resumes.
I have tried turn off caches, but that changes nothing. I have
also written floppies back to files and checked md5sum's.
May I consider this installation successful ?
        My system: VLB MB 486-GVT, CPU i486SX-25, RAM 4MB, IDE HDD
330MB with GoldStar Prime 2C MKIII ISA I/O card.
        BIOS: AMI V1.02 X0-0100-001121-00101111-021993-VIA

                Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
                                                Yours,
---
                                        v      v
                                      Ricardas Cepas


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Hi all,

where did mkdosfs go? There has been a package like that
in rex sometime, but now it has disappeared.

--jan




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I'n using a HP Deskjet 600 printer. Every print job seems to end up
with garbage than hangs up the printer. After resetting the printer,
the last page comes out. When copying data to the raw device /dev/lp1
tha same happens. Where does the garbage come from? -- Or is it a
communication problem?

Thanks in advance!

======================================================================
Hubert Palme         Bergische Universitaet-Gesamthochschule Wuppertal
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Joey Hess wrote:

> I'm a new debian developer, and though everything else is working fine,
> I'm not signed up to the debian-devel mailing list. I've tried mailing
> the owner, sending subscribe messages to the listserver, etc, and I've
> never gotten any response back (It's been weeks). So, a last plea here:
> how can I sign up to that mailing list?

Hm, I also tried to subscribe mailing to the listserver.  I did this 
because of the following text in http://www.debian.org/1.1/release.html

To subscribe to the mailing lists, send the word "subscribe" to one of 
these addresses: 

debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org 
       There are a lot of experienced users on this list who can answer 
any question you might have. There can be 20 messages a day or more on 
this list. 
debian-announce-REQUEST@lists.debian.org 
	Major system announcements. Averages less than one message per week. 
debian-changes-REQUEST@lists.debian.org 
       This is a list for announcements of new package uploads for the 
Debian system. It may carry several announcements in a day. 

I also didn't receive an answer.  Then i tried filling in the form 
http://www.rahul.net/perens/Debian/MailingLists.html.  This worked fine.
There's a link from www.debian.org to this page.


Jan




> 
> -- 
> #!/usr/bin/perl -i=-/*/~%*~%/~~%/~~~-/*/_/=~~~-/====~~! # jeh22@cornell.edu
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> ';s/=/__/g;y|*!| \\|;for(split/-/){print' 'x$o--."$_\n"}# a M.C. Escher fan
>       "How appropriate, you fight like a cow." - - Guybrush Threepwood
> 
> 
> 


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On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
> Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
:
: I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
: one thing).

Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
out

    http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/

I agree that Mosaic 2.7b5 is a bit of a problem.  The developers
themselves call it "large and hacked".  They are working on version
2.8, which will be a major rewrite and will support the HTML 3.2 spec.
 See the comments in the 2.7b5 release notes:
 http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/XMosaic/help-on-version-2.7b5.html#about

Hope that's of use...

Chris -)-----

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Miro Torrielli (mtorr@worldnet.fr) wrote:

: I doubt it, because there are some new shared libraries
: and executables not mentioned in the howto, obviousy in
: Solaris format.

You may wish to ask Mike Gaertner <mg@genyosha.in-chemnitz.de>,
he is the maintainer of that HOWTO and very reponsive in general.

-Winfried


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Thanks to all those who responded.

Turns out that I needed to run `lilo'.  I'd feel stupid if I didn't
think that the installation process should have done this for me when
it copied the kernel from the boot disks.  It seems like there are two
possibilities as two why this didn't happen:

1.  The installation instructions are wrong (in which case the Debian
installation procedure needs to be modified, as this would be a gross
oversight).

2.  Something went wrong during my install.

Number 2 seems most likely.  But I saw no errors (and I was watching
closely).

But I am now up and running, and things are going well.  I'm very much
liking `dpkg'.  It has lots of nice features that make it hard to
screw up (I can even install the same package twice with no ill
results).

Thanks again, to the entire `debian-user' list.

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From: david@elo.ods.com (David Engel)
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To: manz@hardy.intes.de (H. Manz)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:48:17 -0500 (CDT)
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H. Manz writes:
> After this I have detected, that the Fortran Compiler g77 is not 
> working longer since it was based on 2.7.2. I have than copied all
> the stuff from the 2.7.2 Version subdirectory to 2.7.2.1. Now 
> the compiler was working but only half.

Doing that could lead to dpkg/packaging inconsistencies in the future.
Compiling you fortran files with 'gcc -c -V 2.7.2' should work.

> As son as I try to link an
> absolute module it crashes. I think this is because of some internal
> incompatibility between 2.7.2 and 2.7.2.1.

I don't know.  Can you make a small test case?

David
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Hi Susan!

> Have you found the FAQ (published on any Debian site in the directory
> doc/FAQ) to be inadequate?  If so, can you suggest some changes?
>
The FAQ you mention is great for a general overview regarding Debian. 
Actually i downloaded the old and the new version of the FAQ prior to
nuking my old Linux setup and read it. Not every line of it but at least
the stuff that was important to my mind. 

Right now at this moment i got my Debian system at least running with X
and PPP, so that i can at least access the net. At last! Dselect was so
nice as not to install the software after selection as described before
but i tried installation from the command line using dpkg and switching
back to dselect for choosing what i wanted to be installed. This dselect
may be a great invention technically but for easy installation by a newbie
it definitely is a nuisance! Sorry if i hurt somebody's feelings... 

The kind of FAQ i was suggesting would be supposed to cover more specific
installation topics and traps like the one i escaped with Bruce's tips
after a too long period of anger trying to get it running. You know, there
are these small details which make a debuting Debian user get stuck
already upon installation and i'd propose to cover these topics in an
"Debian-Installation.FAQ". 
                                           Thanks a lot, Paul *8^)
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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

bruce>You are running kerneld. You go to open a character device with major
bruce>number 10. There is no driver for the device and kerneld tries to load
bruce>it. Do this command:
bruce>
bruce>	ls /dev |grep "10,"
bruce>
bruce>and you will see those devices - you are trying to open one of them.
bruce>Perhaps one of the mouse interfaces?

- -----<cut here>------------
sim:~# ls /dev | grep "10,"
Exit 1
sim:~# ls /dev | grep "10"
fd0h410
fd1u1040
hda10
hdb10
hdc10
hdd10
sda10
sdb10
sdc10
sdd10
sde10
sdf10
sdg10
sdh10
tty10
xda10
xdb10
xdc10
xdd10
- -------<cut here>----------
so is it "10," / "10" ?
and i am not sure how can i find the solution to this prob.
I think i missed somthing. can u plz tell me what exactly device i should
create?

thks alot
borik

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Hello David,
Thanks for your help but,...
> H. Manz writes:
> > After this I have detected, that the Fortran Compiler g77 is not 
> > working longer since it was based on 2.7.2. I have than copied all
> > the stuff from the 2.7.2 Version subdirectory to 2.7.2.1. Now 
> > the compiler was working but only half.
> 
> Doing that could lead to dpkg/packaging inconsistencies in the future.
> Compiling you fortran files with 'gcc -c -V 2.7.2' should work.
This works for compilation but during the link step I get the message
  ld: cannot open -lgcc: No such file or directory
so I have to either opy the required libs from 2.7.2.1 to 2.7.2 or
reverse. I have decided to copy it from 2.7.2 to 2.7.2.1, and yes as soon
as a g77 Version for 2.7.2.1 is available I have to remove them before
installation.
> 
> > As son as I try to link an
> > absolute module it crashes. I think this is because of some internal
> > incompatibility between 2.7.2 and 2.7.2.1.
> 
> I don't know.  Can you make a small test case?

I have tried it but the small one dosnt crah, it works.

Hartmut


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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

> I tried echoing messages from the /etc/X11/Xsession file.  I found that
> this
> file only gets invoked from xdm.  It does not get invoked from xstart or
> xinit.

You meant startx, not xstart.

> Since /etc/X11/Xmodmap is called from /etc/X11/Xsession, it also would
> not be
> invoked from xinit.

Same here.  Just put the line "xmodmap /etc/X11/Xmodmap" in your
.xsession, that's all you can do :)

> I prefer using xinit over xdm since I use several different windows
> managers.

So what?  Do you want to execute X without any window manager?  Just make
your .xsession look like this:

xmodmap ~/.anything
xterm -geometry +0+0

That's all!

Vad.

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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:

lists>alias char-major-10-0 busmouse
lists>alias char-major-10-1 psaux
lists>alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
lists>alias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
lists>alias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
the only prob is that i don't use bus/msbus/amiga/atarimouse
i use simple (trivial!) mman logitech
so i don't understand why the kerneld looking for that module *shrug*

borik

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> 
> I have the same problem here !
> I you find out, email me please.
> 
> Phil.
> 
> 

Same problem here also.  Do I sense a pattern?

 - Jim



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My debian box doesn't seem to be able to boot with
16 megs ram!!

Dos and windows works fine, but Linux just hangs after
it does partition check. I boot with lilo, using both
kernels 2.0.17 & 18. The basic Debian boot disks crash
when mounting the ramdisk, dumping register values and
informing me of a protection fault. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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> From: "David C. Winters" <winters@giri.intro.cs.cmu.edu>
> > 	I'm running into a problem with one, lone Linux box right now.
> > After the BIOS bootstraps, the drive and CD-ROM and recognized, and the 3.5"
> > floppy is seen, instead of saying "LILO" as a preface to LILO's booting into
> > Linux, the following comes up:
> > xFA:

On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> This is from Debian's master boot record. Press "2" to boot partition 2,
> 'F' to boot the floppy, etc. I suggest you re-install the LILO package and
> say "no" to the first question (which asks if you want to use the existing
> LILO configuration) and "yes" to all subsequent questions.

	(It took me a while to put out some fires, now I'm back to this...)
I reinstalled LILO, according to these directions.

> Either the partition is not bootable for some reason, or you have a shift key
> down when the system boots. Otherwise you would not see this.

	Pressing "F" at the "2FA:" prompt does boot it from the floppy, but
pressing "2" does not boot it off of /dev/hda2.  I checked the partitioning
using both cfdisk and fdisk--both agree that /dev/hda2 is active.  I'm
beginning to wonder if something's scrambled in the MBR at the physical
layer.


David winters+@cs.cmu.edu
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> Hm, I also tried to subscribe mailing to the listserver.  I did this 
> because of the following text in http://www.debian.org/1.1/release.html
> 
> To subscribe to the mailing lists, send the word "subscribe" to one of 
> these addresses: 
> 
> debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org 
> 
> I also didn't receive an answer.  Then i tried filling in the form 
> http://www.rahul.net/perens/Debian/MailingLists.html.  This worked fine.
> There's a link from www.debian.org to this page.

I did use that form to sign up to all the other debian mailing lists, but
it doesn't have an entry for the debian-devel list (I guess bacause it's a
closed list..) I tried mailing debian-devel-REQUEST@lists.debian.org, and
I've never gotten a reply back, and I sent the message on the 22nd of
August..

>From other postings, it looks like I'm not the only one having problems
getting on to debian-devel. 

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Thanks to everyone who helped me on documentation for beginners on LaTeX.

I would be glad if anyone can help me with the following:  Everytime when I
try to use dvilj or dvips I get a lot of error messages  like the following:
****************************************************************************
******
#dvilj4 testpage
kpathsea: Running MakeTXPK cmsy7 600 600 1+0/600 ljfour
Running MakeTXPK cmsy7 600 600 1+0/600 ljfourB
egrep: /usr/lib/texmf/dvips/psfonts.add:  No such file or directory
Running mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input cmsy7
This is METAFONT 2.7.1 (C version 6.1)

kpathsea: Running MakeTXPK
#! I can't find file 'cmsy7.mf'
<*> ...four; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input cmsy7

Please type in another input file name:
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...four; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input cmsy7
****************************************************************************
*******

I installed all my packages (Debian-1.1) throug dselect or dpkg and as far
as I know there is no dependency-problems here.

Can anybody help?


Johann.


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I can't help you there. While I use (and maintain) tob and afio, I never use
muti-volume backups as I do them off-line anyway.  I just define my backup
"volumes" such that they will fit on one 170 MB tape. That holds /etc, /home
and /usr/local, which is all I need. 

-- 
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The "unresolved symbols" messages are harmless (unless you want to use
nfs or the de4x5, in which case you end up rebuilding the kernel).
20 minutes, huh? You did create and activate your swap partition,
didn't you?

You can consider your installation successful.

	Bruce


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 @SUBJECT:Debian (not Linux) newbie question #2                       N
Hi again all...

Question #2 of problems getting Debian install.  I tried a test install of
Pacific Hi-Tech's Debian 1.1.1 CD-ROM on another hard drive (not the one
I'm trying to backup) on Friday. All went okay until I got to the part
about making a boot floppy. 

When prompted I stuck a blank floppy in drive a:.  The installation
program churned out a bunch of 'probing for floppy0' messages and
eventually died with 'can't find device' error.  I figured it was a bad
floppy, so I stuck in another.  Same result.  Stuck in a third disk. Same
thing again.

I finally booted Red Hat and just copied over my 2.0.17 kernel to a
floppy, ran rdev to set / properly.  When I rebooted with the floppy
Debian came up.

My question is, am I doing something wrong with the Debian installation or
is there a bug in 1.1.1? 

Debian looks like an interesting Linux distribution to play with--as soon
as I get things properly backed up and installed. :-)

Thanks in advance for any help y'all can offer.

          Bob  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 *   Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.


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[Trying to find which major-10 device he's opening]
> sim:~# ls /dev | grep "10,"

Oops. Make that

	ls -l /dev | grep "10,"

Bruce


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We are in the process of moving the mailing list from its site in Sweden
back to the U.S. The current list manager is so swamped with work that
he doesn't answer my mail.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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 @SUBJECT:Debian (not Linux) newbie question #1                       N
Hi all,

I've been running Linux for almost a year now.  I started with Slackware,
moved to Red Hat 3.0.3 now I want to move to Debian.  I will be moving
Red Hat to another machine once I get Debian configured the way I want.

I am having two problems getting things set up.  One is related to Debian,
the other is more Linux in general but I hope someone can get me pointed
in the proper direction.

First problem is about the backup utilities tob and taper.  Up until
recently, I have been able to backup my hard drives to tape (floppy tape
drive using zftape v1.05) using a single 200 MB (uncompressed) tape.  The
drive is 1.6 GB and until recently it has not been too full.  However, I
have now reached the point where I need more than one tape and this is
where my trouble started.

When I use tob and get to the end of the first tape, afio doesn't prompt
for another tape.  All it is does it print a 'tape full' error for every
remaining file.  In /etc/tob.rc, I have the BACKUPCMD set to:

BACKUPCMD='afio -oxZv -b 10240 -s0 -T 3k -G 9 $BACKUPDEV < $FILELIST'

The -b 10240 was necessary because without it afio complains about a bad
block size while writing to the tape.

If I understand the man page for afio, -s0 should make afio pause when a
tape fills.  It doesn't.  With -s0, afio behavior is the same.  It keeps
trying writing to the full tape.

I tried using using taper (with zftape).  When the tape fills up, taper
chokes with a child segmentation error in a dialog box.  If I click on the
'OK', taper just hangs.  When I didn't fill the tape, taper would work
just fine.

I've seen folks mention on the list use both tob and taper with success,
so I must be doing something wrong.  Can someone give me a clue to what it
is? :-)  Thanks!

            Bob
  
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I thought you were just supposed to mail Bruce, directly.  I haven't
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i everybody.


I want to update my linux kernel to one which can run
ELF format. I get the linux kernel 2.0.18 i think is the newest
version??. when i try to compile i receive a message on the screen 
telling me "gcc is to old". Then i get the new gcc version
and when i try ro run it a see a new message "Can't run binary file"
i think this is because the new gcc is on ELF format.
now my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
for compile the new kernel.?


thanks 


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I assume that Bruce meant

	$ ls -l /dev | grep "10,"

which yields: 

edd@miles:~> ls -l /dev|grep "10,"
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 134 Dec 31  1969 apm_bios
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   3 Dec 31  1969 atibm
crw-rw----   1 root     audio     10, 128 Dec 31  1969 beep
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 133 Dec 31  1969 exttrap
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 132 Dec 31  1969 hwtrap
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   2 Dec 31  1969 inportbm
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   4 Dec 31  1969 jbm
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   0 Dec 31  1969 logibm
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 129 Dec 31  1969 modreq
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   1 Dec 31  1969 psaux
crw-rw----   1 root     lp        10, 138 Dec 31  1969 qcam0
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 135 Dec 31  1969 rtc
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 131 Dec 31  1969 temperature
crw-rw----   1 root     sys       10, 130 Dec 31  1969 watchdog     

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From: lists@lina.inka.de (Bernd Eckenfels)
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Hi,

> > Sep  9 03:53:44 sim modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10
> 
> You are running kerneld. You go to open a character device with major
> number 10. There is no driver for the device and kerneld tries to load
> it.

char-major-10 is handled by the drivers/char/misc.o 

(which will be installed in the kernel if:

#if defined (CONFIG_BUSMOUSE) || defined(CONFIG_UMISC) || \
    defined (CONFIG_PSMOUSE) || defined (CONFIG_MS_BUSMOUSE) || \
    defined (CONFIG_ATIXL_BUSMOUSE) || defined(CONFIG_SOFT_WATCHDOG) || \
    defined (CONFIG_PCWATCHDOG) || \
    defined (CONFIG_APM) || defined (CONFIG_RTC) || defined (CONFIG_SUN_MOUSE)
). If none of those options are installed into the kernel, and it will be
compiled as a module if one of the above options are build as modules.

Therefore there is one alias needed:

alias char-major-10 misc

Each single device with major 10 will be requested from kerneld with:

char-major-10-%d, therefore the following aliases are needed in addition:

alias char-major-10-0 busmouse
alias char-major-10-1 psaux
alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
alias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
alias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
alias char-major-10-6 ?
alias char-major-10-130 wdt (or softdog)
alias char-major-10-131 wdt
alias char-major-10-134 apm_bios
alias char-major-10-135 rtc

(this is what i read from the source, it is neighter complete nor i am sure
if it is correct).

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Subject: Debian 1.1.8 and two ethercards ?
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As I'm mirroring the Debian site, the system is upgraded if I
install something new which happens quite frequently as the systems
are new and the required software base has quite not stabilzed yet.

However, it seems like something has happened in the last fixes
or so as my second ethernet device is not functioning anymore.
It worked a week ago, with about 1.1.6 or so.

As I need to run some firewalling code I have compiled my own
kernel on the v2.0.6 release.

The symptons are that the 10Mbit ether-device (the main device is a
HP100Mbit) will get a arp address of zero:
mpc7> arp -a
Address                 HWtype  HWaddress           Flags Mask Iface
gandalf.uccs.edu        ether   08:00:09:7A:A3:90   C     *    eth0
mpc4.uccs.edu           ether   00:00:00:00:00:00         *    eth1
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The mpc4 computer has not been touched at all, it has worked in the
same setup for at least two months now. It also gets ar 00:00 arp
entry of the mpc7 computer.

On another computer the eth0 device is the 10Mbit device, and
the same thing happens, so its not connected to the device number.

Anybody have a clue ?

The easiest would be to install an older version of Debian, but
is it possible to find one and how do I make dselect to downgrade
all the components ?

Thanks / Heikki
 
 


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Hi Jan --
You asked:
> where did mkdosfs go? 

It got swallowed up into dosfstools, which is in the rex (unstable)
distribution.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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I am trying to install the Debian 1.1 system and am having some
serious stability problems. My apologies if this has been discussed on
the list already, but I am fast running out of ideas and have not been
able to find any hints in the list archives.

The symptoms of the problem are that the system boots just fine, but
after some (apparently random) period of time, every command starts
dumping core with a segmentation fault. Just about the only thing that
works after this is a 'sync' or two and a hard reset.

I have tried compiling the kernel (2.0.6 and 2.0.18) with no luck. I 
checked out the SIG 11 FAQ and following a suggestion there, re-compiled 
GCC and then rebuilt the kernel with that. Still no joy.

The PC is an antique 386 that has been running Linux for over 3 years
and Debian 0.93 with a version 1.2.13 kernel for most of the last year
without *any* problems. I am seeing the problems while trying to update
it using a recent base system and the 96-07-14 boot disk series
(version 2.0.0 kernel).

If anyone has any light to shed on the problem, I would be most
grateful for any suggestions. I am happy to provide more specific
information on the system if required

Please reply directly to me as I am not subscribed to the list at the
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Thanks in advance.
David Gray.


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As I'm mirroring the Debian site, the system is upgraded if I
install something new which happens quite frequently as the systems
are new and the required software base has quite not stabilzed yet.

However, it seems like something has happened in the last fixes
or so as my second ethernet device is not functioning anymore.
It worked a week ago, with about 1.1.6 or so.

As I need to run some firewalling code I have compiled my own
kernel on the v2.0.6 release.

The symptons are that the 10Mbit ether-device (the main device is a
HP100Mbit) will get a arp address of zero:
mpc7> arp -a
Address                 HWtype  HWaddress           Flags Mask Iface
gandalf.uccs.edu        ether   08:00:09:7A:A3:90   C     *    eth0
mpc4.uccs.edu           ether   00:00:00:00:00:00         *    eth1
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The mpc4 computer has not been touched at all, it has worked in the
same setup for at least two months now. It also gets ar 00:00 arp
entry of the mpc7 computer.

On another computer the eth0 device is the 10Mbit device, and
the same thing happens, so its not connected to the device number.

Anybody have a clue ?

The easiest would be to install an older version of Debian, but
is it possible to find one and how do I make dselect to downgrade
all the components ?

Thanks / Heikki
 
 

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Hi Boris --

Bruce suggested:
> bruce>	ls /dev |grep "10,"

Try instead:
ls -l /dev | grep "10,"

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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sgk>Hi Boris --
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thks alot all!
we solved it with bruce. (well - kinda)
*bow*
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

> On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
> > Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
> :
> : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
> : one thing).
> 

I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

Marcelo.

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.
> 
> I would propose:
> 
> 	debian-install
> 	debian-nontechnical
> 	debian-technical
> 
> Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
> 
> 	Bruce
> 

This sounds like a good idea, but I'd sure like to see one
of the lists a superset of the others if that's possible (a
la crossposting?)  Also, there's a new section in linux
journal providing help with various distributions.  Last
time I checked, Debian didn't have an entry.  Perhaps we
should come up with a debian-support list?

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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I hate to post a me too message, but I am having the same problems.  I 
posted a little while ago about it, but I don't remember any body getting 
back to me about it.

Shaya
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Joey Hess wrote:

> I'm a new debian developer, and though everything else is working fine,
> I'm not signed up to the debian-devel mailing list. I've tried mailing
> the owner, sending subscribe messages to the listserver, etc, and I've
> never gotten any response back (It's been weeks). So, a last plea here:
> how can I sign up to that mailing list?
> 
> -- 
> #!/usr/bin/perl -i=-/*/~%*~%/~~%/~~~-/*/_/=~~~-/====~~! # jeh22@cornell.edu
> $o=35;$_="$^I-*!=====_!/";s/~/!*/g;s~%~-/ / ~g;$_.='---      Joey Hess
> ';s/=/__/g;y|*!| \\|;for(split/-/){print' 'x$o--."$_\n"}# a M.C. Escher fan
>       "How appropriate, you fight like a cow." - - Guybrush Threepwood
> 
> 
> 


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If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, they were a 
Mosiac'ism.

Shaya
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

> On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
> > Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
> :
> : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
> : one thing).
> 
> Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
> the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
> out
> 
>     http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/
> 
> I agree that Mosaic 2.7b5 is a bit of a problem.  The developers
> themselves call it "large and hacked".  They are working on version
> 2.8, which will be a major rewrite and will support the HTML 3.2 spec.
>  See the comments in the 2.7b5 release notes:
>  http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/XMosaic/help-on-version-2.7b5.html#about
> 
> Hope that's of use...
> 
> Chris -)-----
> 
> -- 
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> crh@nts.umn.edu              Networking and Telecommunications Services
> 
> 


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From: lists@lina.inka.de (Bernd Eckenfels)
Subject: Re: char-major-10
To: borik@isracom.co.il
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:20:41 +0200 (MET DST)
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Hi,

> so is it "10," / "10" ?

ls -l /dev |grep "10,"

From: /usr/src/linux/Documantation/devices.txt:

 10 char        Non-serial mice, misc features
                  0 = /dev/logibm       Logitech bus mouse
                  1 = /dev/psaux        PS/2-style mouse port
                  2 = /dev/inportbm     Microsoft Inport bus mouse
                  3 = /dev/atibm        ATI XL bus mouse
                  4 = /dev/jbm          J-mouse
                  4 = /dev/amigamouse   Amiga mouse (68k/Amiga)
                  5 = /dev/atarimouse   Atari mouse
                  6 = /dev/sunmouse     Sun mouse
                  7 = /dev/amigamouse1  Second Amiga mouse
                128 = /dev/beep         Fancy beep device
                129 = /dev/modreq       Kernel module load request
                130 = /dev/watchdog     Watchdog timer port
                131 = /dev/temperature  Machine internal temperature
                132 = /dev/hwtrap       Hardware fault trap
                133 = /dev/exttrp       External device trap
                134 = /dev/apm_bios     Advanced Power Management BIOS
                135 = /dev/rtc          Real Time Clock
                136 = /dev/qcam0        QuickCam on lp0
                137 = /dev/qcam1        QuickCam on lp1
                138 = /dev/qcam2        QuickCam on lp2
                139 = /dev/openprom     SPARC OpenBoot PROM

BTW: if you add the alias for char-major-10 you will get requests for
char-major-10-%d (with %d is a number from the above list) and you should
know which device is missing.

Greetings
Bernd


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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

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> On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> 
> lists>alias char-major-10-0 busmouse
> lists>alias char-major-10-1 psaux
> lists>alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
> lists>alias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
> lists>alias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
> the only prob is that i don't use bus/msbus/amiga/atarimouse
> i use simple (trivial!) mman logitech
> so i don't understand why the kerneld looking for that module *shrug*

Btw, if your system is working fine (i.e. mouse working, etc.) you can
just ignore the kerneld message. It doesn't do any harm, other than being
slightly annoying. That's what I do.

Everyone: is there no way of knowing the minor number of the char-10
device for which kerneld got the request? (Without patching kerneld, that
is.)

  Christian



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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:


lists> 10 char        Non-serial mice, misc features
what i have here is a simple serial mouse
i don't understand why is this device was requested in the first place

lists>BTW: if you add the alias for char-major-10 you will get requests for
lists>char-major-10-%d (with %d is a number from the above list) and you should
lists>know which device is missing.
how exactly i add the alias :
alias char-major-10 char-major-10-%d ?

thks alot
borik


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hello
compilong xjed i got this wierd error
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ld: cannot open -lX11: No such file or directory
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the reason it's wierd that i do have xlibs and include files installed

thks for u're time
borik


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My laptop doesn't boot Linux on hda3 anymore. I just installed a new system
by overwriting the swap partition on hda2. My first attempt of running e2fsck
gives:

	The filesystem superblock is corrupt. Try running e2fsck with an
	alternate superblock using the -b option. (8193 is commonly as
	alternate superblock; Henc 'e2fsck -b 8193 <device>' may recover
	the filesystem.)

I tried this, but it didn't work either. Any help as to what I might do now
would be welcomed. The partition table is as follows (in sectors)

	# Type    First    Last   Offset  Length  Filesystem   Type   Flags
	1 Primary      0   131039     63  131040  Dos 16bit    06     None
	2 Primary 131040   180431      0   49392  Linux (83)          Boot
	3 Primary 180432  1032191      0  851760  Linux (83)          None

and was created by the Debian install disks around February or March.

Thanks in advance, Dirk

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Hi,

Can anybody send me some example /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down
with short discription of what they do please ?

Also, how can I execute /usr/sbin/xbase-configure for the second time
(on already configured and running system). Nothing happens when I try
executing it. Is there a lock file anywhere preventing you from doing
so after X have been configured during installation?

Thanks a lot.
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Hi,

> how exactly i add the alias :
> alias char-major-10 char-major-10-%d ?

add in /etc/conf.modules:
alias char-major-10 misc

or even better load misc.o from /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/misc.o (or
/lib/modues/current/misc/mic.o)

This module will request itself the char-major-10-%d modules and you will
get another missing entry in the logs with the minor number added.

Greetings
Bernd


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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Guillermo Solis wrote:
gsolis>I want to update my linux kernel to one which can run
gsolis>ELF format. I get the linux kernel 2.0.18 i think is the newest
gsolis>version??.
yes, but that will change
gsolis>when i try to compile i receive a message on the screen 
gsolis>telling me "gcc is to old". Then i get the new gcc version
gsolis>and when i try ro run it a see a new message "Can't run binary file"
gsolis>i think this is because the new gcc is on ELF format.
gsolis>now my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
gsolis>for compile the new kernel.?
i whould say - reinstall the all system
there lots of thigs that u need to upgrade - libs , etc..
so i think thats the best thing u could do.
if u're realy want to do it manualy (NOOO!!!) then email vadik@arbornet.org
he is the only person i know that did it. (crazy hacker)

Regards
borik

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:


lists>add in /etc/conf.modules:
lists>alias char-major-10 misc
how about :
alias char-major-10 off ?
cause i realy don't have non serial mice

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Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> Tell me where the source for "scilab" is, and I will remove its termcap
> dependence. I'm a reasonably competent ncurses programmer.
> 
> Supporting two terminal management mechanisms would not be a good idea.
> 
>         Bruce
I agree two terminal management would be bad. However, I want to use an
application -- GENESIS <http://www.bbb.caltech.edu/GENESIS/> which
actually crashes when using ncurses. It gets a segmentation fault in
tgetent().

The program works fine under several other UNIXs, on other Linux
distributions and even works when linked against libtermcap.a (by using
the aout development package). I have been reluctant to report it as a
bug because: a) I can't reproduce the problem with a simple test
program, b) I know nothing about terminal programming and c) I can't
answer questions about the GENESIS source.

I have been corresponding with GENESIS support but I think it is unfair
to ask them to fix what appears to be a bug in ncurses termcap
compatibility. On the other hand I doubt the program is of sufficent
general interest to warrant a special Debian version/package.

The point I am trying to make is that it may be necassary to support two
terminal packages, at least for the time being.

Thanks Evan.

PS. Although this comes across as a complaint, I think Debian Linux is
an outstanding achievment.
--
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I am trying to install Debian Linux 1.1 on my 486/80, 12meg RAM, 1.3gig 
SCSI HD, DTC3280 SCSI controller.  After booting off my boot (Linux 
kernal 2.0.0) and root floppies and getting to the cfdisk 0.8d BETA, I 
run into problems.  I try setting up some partitions and Write the table, 
it complains about "sda: unknown partition table".  If I leave cfdisk and 
re-enter, it generally complains about "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary 
partition" and kicks me out of cfdisk.  My only recourse is to boot up 
DOS and wipe out sector 0 of the hard drive using Norton Utilities or 
similar. Fortunately, I had my hard drive backed up.

Apparently, cfdisk is not writing the partition table properly. I have 
tried it with my 1.3gig HD (Hitachi DK516C-16) and also tried it with my 
iomega Zip drive with the same results.

This is the same setup I used for DOS/Windows with no problems.  Any ideas?

David Godshall, davidg@hesston.edu


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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Guillermo Solis wrote:

> i everybody.
> 
> 
> I want to update my linux kernel to one which can run
> ELF format. I get the linux kernel 2.0.18 i think is the newest
> version??. when i try to compile i receive a message on the screen 
> telling me "gcc is to old". Then i get the new gcc version
> and when i try ro run it a see a new message "Can't run binary file"
> i think this is because the new gcc is on ELF format.
> now my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
> for compile the new kernel.?
> 
You should start with your old kernel. Build it with the old gcc with ELF
support added. That is, build the kernel as a.out but with ELF support.
Now you can install the new gcc (seems to me you need some shared
libraries like libc5 and others. Check out the docs in the upgrades
directory). You should now be able to build a new kernel in ELF format.

Hope this helps,

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Hi all!  I [used to be] an avid Slackware fan.  Then I meet Debian about two
months ago, and I am VERY Impressed.  So far, I am running 2 Debian Boxes,
and a third is in the works (Where is the Free Hardware Foundation when you
need it?:) 

I know i have not read all there is to read about Debian, but I was wondering...

When I first ftp'd debian, i got it from the 'buzz' directory.  I now see
the current directory is 'rex'?  I'm a bit confused on the seperation.  Is
this per-version directories?  

Thanks for any response I get!

Daniel Stringfield
(Network Adminstrator)


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Marcelo Zacarias <marcelo@carpa.ciagri.usp.br> writes:

) I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
) it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

I like Grail.  It handles many modern html aspects, such as tables,
frames, etc.  There are times when it uses a lot of memory
and rare occasions where it disappears entirely, but all in all
it does pretty good.

The standard url is http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail/

Searching for Python and Grail can be troublesome considering
the popularity of its namesake.

Mike

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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Marcelo Zacarias wrote:

marcelo>
marcelo>On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:
marcelo>
marcelo>> On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
marcelo>> > Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
marcelo>> :
marcelo>> : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
marcelo>> : one thing).
marcelo>>
marcelo>
marcelo>I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
marcelo>it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.


linux www browsers:
- --------------------
http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Amaya - Amaya
http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Arena/ - Arena
http://www.candleweb.no/ - Candleweb
http://www.unlv.edu/chimera/ - Chimera
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html - GNUscape Navigator -
an Emacs World Wide Web Browser

http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail-0.2/download/grail-linux.tar.gz
(http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail-0.2/ - homepage ) - *Grail*
(python pkg needed - Debian-1.1/binary-i386/devel/python-1.3-3.deb)

http://www.isg.de/visualweb/invisible_e.html - - the command-line
counterpart of Innovative oftware's VisualWeb

http://kuhttp.cc.ukans.edu/about_lynx/about_lynx.html - Lynx - YESSSS!!!!
http://www-midas.slac.stanford.edu/midas_latest/overview.html - Midas
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/XMosaic - Mosaic
http://home.mcom.com/index.html - netscape (yack!)
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~phonynet/ - PhonyNet - PhonyNet Commuter
introduce Phone URL

http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/vosaic - integrates continuous media into the
World Wide Web

http://www.eolas.com/eolas/webrouse/ - Webrouse
- ---------------------


Good luck
and hope that helps:)

RrrrRrrrRregards!
borik
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Bill Roman wrote:
> 
> They're running on your virtual consoles.  Try holding down the left Alt
> key and pressing function keys.  Log in on each virtual console.  Pretty
> slick, eh?
> 
> I used this feature a lot when I had only 4 MB of RAM, as that's not
> enough to run X in (unless you like watching the disk light a lot).
> Now I usually just open all the xterms I need.
> 

Thanks to everynody that responded.  I wish I would have known about
this feature when I was trying to get X to run.  Now that I have X
running, multiple xterms do indeed do the job.

Jim


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My ISP is worldnet.att.net.  They use a PPP connection protocol
developed by Shiva.  I'm not sure whether it uses PAP or CHAP.  I
normally access using the windows 95 dialer by
filling in the Username and Password fields.  There is no logon /
dialing script.

Is anybody successfully connecting to Worldnet with Linux?
How do I configure pppd to emulate the Windows 95 dialer protocol?


Jim


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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

spotter>
spotter>If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, 

Golden words!

spotter>they were a Mosiac'ism.

well.. then consider me a Lynx'ist.


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Dear Readers,

A while back the U.S. Congress passed some ill-considered anti-obscentity
legislation that forced me to move the Debian mailing lists out of the
U.S. for my own protection. At that time, Anders Chrigstrom of NetGuide
in Sweden graciously offered to operate the lists for us. Of late, Anders
is under a lot of time pressure and has not been able to answer any of our
messages. Fortunately, the U.S. courts overturned the obscentity legislation
and it is safe for us to operate the lists from the U.S. again, for now.

Over the next few days I will be moving the mailing list management
to our internal system, where all 100 developers can access it. I will
be soliciting other systems to provide the services of their mail
delivery programs, so that the internal system isn't overloaded by
delivering mail.

At the same time I am putting in a full day at Pixar and am moving into
a new home, so please be patient if it takes me a few days to get this
done.

	Thanks

	Bruce Perens


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|"On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
|"> Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
|":
|": I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
|": one thing).
|"
|"Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
|"the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
|"out
|"
|"    http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/

This URL gives an "Access forbidden" error.

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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I'm not responsible for the mailing lists, but I understand
there's some problems with their maintainance. Bruce is working
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>When I first ftp'd debian, i got it from the 'buzz' directory.  I now see
>the current directory is 'rex'?  I'm a bit confused on the seperation.  Is
>this per-version directories?  

As I understand it, buzz is the current stable version and rex is
the current unstable version.  Ie, buzz contains the latest official
release, where as rex is the latest "work in progress".  The reason
for the strange names is to make mirroring the debian site easier.
When rex becomes officially released, all that needs changing will be
symbolic links rather than the copying and deleting of huge numbers of
files unneccessarily.

I hope this helps.

Mark Phillips.  (mark@maths.flinders.edu.au)


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Boris Beletsky wrote:
> 

Hi Boris,

you might try adding an "-L/usr/X11R6/lib" to the CFLAGS line of the
Makeflag (or unlesss you don't use one on the gcc line".
I also had this sort of trouble a long time ago. Which compiler version
and binutils are you using?

It is a misnomer in the configuration of the GCC, ld I think.

<RESPONSIBILITY OFF>
just my 2 cents.
<RESPONSIBILITY ON>

regards,
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> - ---
> ld: cannot open -lX11: No such file or directory
> - ---
> the reason it's wierd that i do have xlibs and include files installed

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>If so, I'd appreciate a short note from you.  I'd like to know if you
>use SLIP because PPP is unavailable, more expensive, or otherwise
>inconvenient.
I'm using slip because ppp is a more lower level protocol and as such
produces more traffic for the same payload. As I'm only interested in TCP/UDP
transactions I don't need ppp.
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Am I too stupid?

I can't properly set up the TeX packets. If I do 'dpkg --install
texbin_3.1415-5.deb', I get the message 'dpkg: error processing texbin
(--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit
status 139'

This message nearly makes me go insane! Is there anyone who was able
to set up either the texbins, netscape, elm and som many other? I
can't imagine why I ain't able to install the whole thing without
errors!

	Rene

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Servo wrote:

> 
> Hi all!  I [used to be] an avid Slackware fan.  Then I meet Debian about two
> months ago, and I am VERY Impressed.  So far, I am running 2 Debian Boxes,
> and a third is in the works (Where is the Free Hardware Foundation when you
> need it?:) 
> 
> I know i have not read all there is to read about Debian, but I was wondering...
> 
> When I first ftp'd debian, i got it from the 'buzz' directory.  I now see
> the current directory is 'rex'?  I'm a bit confused on the seperation.  Is
> this per-version directories?  
> 
> Thanks for any response I get!
> 
Each Debian distribution is given a name at the beginning of the
development cycle. Debian-1.1 has the name buzz, and is static since the
last release. Since that time the next release has been being built in rex
(otherwise known as unstable). You should feel free to try packages in
this area, but be advised that this system is under development (not for
the faint of heart) and should be used with caution and the ability to
return to your previous state (thank Ian for dpkg). When the next release
of Debian occurs, rex will become static (with the addition of a rex-fixed
for bug fixes) and there will be a new name assigned to
unstable/development.
Hope this helps.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Same here.

Jim Pick (jim@jimpick.com) wrote:
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: 
: > 
: > I have the same problem here !
: > I you find out, email me please.
: > 
: > Phil.
: > 
: > 
: 
: Same problem here also.  Do I sense a pattern?
: 
:  - Jim
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Hello,

In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
CD-ROM, we tried to run "dpkg --root=... --unpack", just to see if the
files aren't corrupted.

We got some results we don't understand completly:

1. Most packages finished fine, they produced output like:

(Reading database ... 3368 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace CGI-modules (using .../devel/CGI-modules_2.75-3.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement CGI-modules ...
Selecting previously deselected package aout-binutils.
Unpacking aout-binutils (from .../aout-binutils_2.5.2-11.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package aout-gcc.
Unpacking aout-gcc (from .../devel/aout-gcc_2.6.3-13.deb) ...


and so on.  So I assume it means I'm more-or-less on the right
track.

2. some packages produced the following output:

Selecting previously deselected package perl.
Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
file or directory
dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
03-2.deb (--unpack):
 subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2

(I've cut a couple of lines to fit to the mail message).

Notice that the system-level error is "No such file or directory".
When run without the --root option, it installs fine.

In addition, libg++ in particular seems to be still in old .deb format
(0.93).

I've updated the dpkg I use to be 1.2.14elf, from buzz-fixed.

Can anyone explain me what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

--Amos


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The following message was posted to the Caldera mailing list a while back.

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Connecting Linux and AT&T Worldnet Services

AT&T's Worldnet Service uses standard PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) with
CHAP (Challage Handshake Authentication Protocol). While Windows 3.1x or
Windows 95 is required to register a new account, other operating systems
that support PPP with CHAP can be used once an account is registered.

Unless you have already configured your Linux system to use PPP to another
Internet Service Provider, connecting to Worldnet from Linux will take a
little bit of work (recompiling the Linux kernel). I list here a few reasons
why one might want to do this bit of work.

If you have used PPP to connect to other ISP's from Linux, and pretty much
know what you are doing try reading the Expert Notes below.

The Instructions

  1. If you have not already done so, activate your Worldnet account using
     the installation disks.
  2. If you have already successfully installed and used PPP with other
     ISP's, skip to step
  3. Get a copy of ppp-2.1.2d.tar if your kernel is version 1.2.x, or
     ppp-2.2.0e.tar for kernels >= 1.3.x.
  4. Follow the directions contained within the ppp package for rebuilding
     your kernel with PPP support and for installing pppd and chat.
  5. Get a copy of the file WORLDNET\DIALER\REG.INI and use the settings in
     the scripts below.
  6. Add the following line to the file /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
  7. 999999999@worldnet.att.net * "password" *

     where 9999999999 has been replace by number on the "Name" line of
     REG.INI and password is replaced the value on the "Password" line. The
     quotation marks around the password are important to protect special
     character that might appear in the password.

  8. Create, the following script. I have given mine the name
     /usr/sbin/ppp-on.
  9. #!/usr/bin/perl
     #
     # Script to establish connection to WorldNet via PPP.
     #
     # Look at WORLDNET\DIALER\REG.INI and ATT.SR to get the following settings
     #
     $DOMAIN="worldnet.att.net";          # DomainName from ATT.SR
     $SEARCH=$DOMAIN;
     $NAMESERVER1="204.127.129.1";        # DNS_ADDR from REG.INI
     $NAMESERVER2="204.127.129.2";        # DNS_ADDR_2
     $NAME="999999999\@worldnet.att.net"; # LOGIN
     $PHONE="6213400"; # Cambridge, MA    # Phone from ATT.SR
     $MODEM="/dev/modem";

     $resolv = '>/etc/resolv.conf';

     open(CONF,$resolv)|| die "Cannot open file: $resolv.\n  $! \n";

     print CONF "\#resolv.conf - created automatically by ".$ARGV[0]."\n";
     print CONF "domain ".$DOMAIN."\n";
     print CONF "search ".$SEARCH."\n";
     print CONF "nameserver ".$NAMESERVER1."\n";
     print CONF "nameserver ".$NAMESERVER2."\n";

     $command="/usr/sbin/pppd name \"".$NAME."\"".
         " -d connect \'/usr/sbin/chat -t 45 -v ABORT BUSY \"\" ATDT".
         $PHONE." CONNECT \"\"\' ".$MODEM.
         " 57600 noipdefault modem defaultroute crtscts";
     #print $command."\n";
     $ENV{'PATH'} = ''; # Make $ENV{'PATH'} untainted
     system($command);

     Executing this script should then startup up a connection to worldnet.
     Give the script a permission of 4755 (chmod 4755 /usr/sbin/ppp-on) if
     you want to be able to startup the Internet connection from accounts
     other than root.

     This script is a bit fancy in that it writes to the file
     /etc/resolv.conf the domain name and the nameserver numbers. This can
     be handy if you have several similar scripts for different ISP's, each
     of which has it's own domain name and nameservers. If perl is not
     available, or you want a simpler script, edit /etc/resolv.conf to
     contain

     domain worldnet.att.net
     nameserver 204.127.129.1
     nameserver 204.127.129.2

     and use the following the following script startup PPP (replacing the
     login name and phone number with appropriate values.)

     /usr/sbin/pppd name "999999999@worldnet.att.net" -d connect \
             '/usr/sbin/chat -t 45 -v ABORT BUSY "" ATDT1111111 CONNECT ""' \
             /dev/modem 57600 noipdefault modem defaultroute crtscts

 10. Optionally, one may optionally add a script to disconnect ppp. The
     following is an example of /usr/sbin/ppp-off
 11. #!/bin/sh
     # ppp-down - simply kills the ppp-daemon
     kill `ps -a | grep pppd | grep -v grep | cut -b 1-6`

Mail and News

The values of NNTP_HOST, SMTP_HOST, POP_SERVER, POP_PASSWORD, and EMAIL_ADDR
can be extracted from WORLDNET\DIALER\REG.INI and used in whatever pop-mail
and news software you choose. The Linux version Netscape 2.0 handles both
mail and news fine.

Ed Kelley's Visual Guide to setting up Netscape 2.0 under Windows 95 may
provide some guidance towards setting up Netscape 2.0 under Linux.

PPP utilities

A number of PPP utilities are available to enhance the use of PPP on Linux.
For example, I use tkppp to give a convenient GUI to start and stop my
Worldnet connection as well as to keep track of hours of usage.

Expert notes

If you are already using PPP to other ISP's there are essentially just two
possibly new things that need to be done. First, since Worldnet uses CHAP,
you must put your username and password (as found in REG.INI) into the file
/etc/ppp/chap-secrets like so: 999999999@worldnet.att.net * "password" *

Secondly, the chat script should only go as far as getting the phone dialed
in. CHAP will take care of passing username and password. For example:

usr/sbin/pppd name "999999999@worldnet.att.net" -d connect
'/usr/sbin/chat -t 45 -v ABORT BUSY "" ATDTthephonenumber CONNECT ""' \
/dev/modem 57600 noipdefault debug modem defaultroute crtscts

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>>>>> "MZ" == Marcelo Zacarias <marcelo@carpa.ciagri.usp.br> writes:

 MZ> I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
 MZ> it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

Grail really is pretty good. IIRC, it also ate up over 10 megs of
memory when I tested it.

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Hello,

Attached below is a tiny awk(1) program which will extract the md5sum
information of all the packages listed in a Packages file.  The output
is in a format fit for "md5sum -c".

I cound't find such a functionality in any of the Debian package
manuals so I hope this helps others.

(it found least 5 corrupted files in my local mirror of buzz-fixed,
I'm re-copying these files to see if the problem is local to my copy).

Cheers,

--Amos

--Amos Shapira                  | "Of course Australia was marked for
                                |  glory, for its people had been chosen
amos@dsi.co.il                  |  by the finest judges in England."
                                |                         -- Anonymous
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#!/usr/bin/awk -f
$1 == "filename:" {
    file = $2
}
$1 == "md5sum:" {
    md5sum = $2
}
NF == 0 {
    print md5sum, "", file;
    md5sum = "";
    file = "";
}
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On Sep 9,  7:50pm, Shaya Potter wrote:
> Subject: Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
:
: If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, they were a
: Mosiac'ism.

I don't know the history of it, but I'll take your word.  In any case,
minimal support for inline graphics are now part of the HTML
specification.  Tables have also been added (recently) to the standard;
frames have not.  As such, it's not likely that Mosaic or Lynx will
support frames in the near future.  (Tables are being added to Mosaic.
 I don't know the status of tables in Lynx).

That leaves only a short list of commercial browsers, and that was
really my point.  (Actually, I don't know of any other commercial
browsers that run on Linux and support frames.)

Chris -)-----

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Hi all,

Whilst trying to install tk40 I get a dependency error on elf-x11r6lib.
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> The "unresolved symbols" messages are harmless (unless you want to use
> nfs or the de4x5, in which case you end up rebuilding the kernel).

 The problem here is if you _need_ nfs for mounting disks with the buzz/
hierarchy for installing the rest of the distribution (like gcc and the
kernel source)..

Jason


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Yes!!

(In addition, 
a master containing all messages would probobly be appreciated by 
the thorough, the obsesive and the idle.)

ALSO: Making either the master or all subsets available as a digest 
would REALLY help!  I'm getting the firewall list this way.  
It's very tidy. 
(Perhaps those maintaining it could offer some pointers.)

- ef

====================

Richard G. Roberto wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> > level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> > to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> > people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> > traffic for that. We probably do now.
> >
> > I would propose:
> >
> >       debian-install
> >       debian-nontechnical
> >       debian-technical
> >
> > Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
> >
> >       Bruce
> >
> 
> This sounds like a good idea, but I'd sure like to see one
> of the lists a superset of the others if that's possible (a
> la crossposting?)  Also, there's a new section in linux
> journal providing help with various distributions.  Last
> time I checked, Debian didn't have an entry.  Perhaps we
> should come up with a debian-support list?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Richard G. Roberto
> richr@bear.com
> 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
> 
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From: "Jason K. Keimig" <jkeimig@tisl.ukans.edu>
> On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > The "unresolved symbols" messages are harmless (unless you want to use
> > nfs or the de4x5, in which case you end up rebuilding the kernel).
> 
>  The problem here is if you _need_ nfs for mounting disks with the buzz/
> hierarchy for installing the rest of the distribution (like gcc and the
> kernel source)..

Yes. I went to build a new disk set, but I am a bit short on time :-) . If
somebody else wants to build a disk set, that would be fine.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Last week I tried to remove and then reinstall Babel3.6-4 and faced the
same bug that someone wrote about last week (I had previously sent a bug
report in to the bug-reports address). The error involved MakeTeXTeX
filling the drive with the endless loop of trying to make a non-existent
(that I can have yet to find) manfnt.mf (if I remembering correctly).

dpkg now sees this package sitting there broken. it can't install it and
it can't purge it because it always gets stuck in this loop.

I haven't heard anything back about either the bug report or the message
in this list.

How can this be fixed?

So far anything I've wanted to install has gone very smoothly. Do I have
to completely remove TeX and then reinstall it? (ugh) or is there someway
to get Babel to either get installed or purged (I really don't need it,
but it won't hurt to have it there)

I was content to just have it sit there broken while waiting for word from
someone, but now I find that I can't use TeX or LaTeX because it thinks
Babel is still there and functional.

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The same thing here!

But today I got an email from Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com> who told me,
that he had problems contacting the mailing list admin via email and he
wants to fix this.


Chris

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

> As I understand it, buzz is the current stable version and rex is
> the current unstable version.

buzz is *NOT* the current stable version.  buzz is the version that was
pressed on all CDs.  If you use buzz, you will be exposing yourself to
major security holes discovered since buzz was released.

Please use buzz-fixed, aka stable, aka Debian-1.1-fixed, aka
Debian-1.1.<x>.  (x is incremented whenever a change is made).

The easiest way to stay current is to use the ftp method of dselect and
point it at stable.  Alternatively you can install all the packages in
/debian/buzz-updates/binary.

The READMEs in the /debian, /debian/buzz, /debian/buzz-updates, and
/debian/buzz-fixed explain all this.


Guy


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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

> bruce> [...] Do this command:
> bruce>
> bruce>	ls /dev |grep "10,"
> bruce>
> bruce>and you will see those devices - you are trying to open one of them.
> bruce>Perhaps one of the mouse interfaces?
> 
> -----<cut here>------------
> sim:~# ls /dev | grep "10,"
> Exit 1
> sim:~# ls /dev | grep "10"
> [lots of crap]
> -------<cut here>----------
> so is it "10," / "10" ?
> and i am not sure how can i find the solution to this prob.
> I think i missed somthing. can u plz tell me what exactly device i should
> create?
> 
> thks alot

The command is kinda wrong.  See this:

marvin:~> ls -l /dev | grep 10,
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   3 Jan  1  1970 atimouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   4 Jan  1  1970 jmouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   0 Jan  1  1970 logimouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   2 Jan  1  1970 msmouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       10,   1 Jan  1  1970 psmouse
marvin:~> 

> borik

Vad.

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From: Amos Shapira <amos@dsi.co.il>
> In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
> CD-ROM, we tried to run "dpkg --root=... --unpack", just to see if the
> files aren't corrupted.
[...]
> Selecting previously deselected package perl.
> Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
> file or directory
> dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
> 03-2.deb (--unpack):
> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2

It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the pre-installation
script in the perl package.

Install the base system on the disk before you unpack packages to it.
The best way is to do it via floppies the way one would normally install
a system, as everything will be configured
properly. You might try to extract disks-i386/current/base1_1.tgz there
instead, but that will not completely configure the system so some stuff
might still break.

The libg++ doesn't compile with the ELF libc. That's why it's in that
state. I'm not sure what's happening with this - whether there is a
maintainer working on it or if we're just going to wait for GNU LIBC 6.

Watch out for dangling symbolic limks. It's best to test an install from
your CD-writable pre-master using the "dselect" program. Another company
got burned by this recently and had to replace 50 CD-writables.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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As Ron Welch wrote:

> Message-Id: <32357297.62E9@cs.lmco.com>
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:52:23 -0400
> From: Ron Welch <welch@cs.lmco.com>
> Organization: Lockheed Martin Control Systems
> To: jworthington@worldnet.att.net
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection
> 
> The following message was posted to the Caldera mailing list a while back.
> 
> -- 
> ------------=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=======================-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------
> Ron Welch     welch@cs.lmco.com     Phone: (607) 770-3701   Fax: (607) 770-2056
> Lockheed Martin Control Systems     600 Main Street Johnson City, NY 13790-1888
> ------------=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=======================-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Connecting Linux and AT&T Worldnet Services
> 
[ Excellent material elided -- dlc ]
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Last Update 5 April 1996

I was very unhappy to see this nice explanation ignore the
perils of IP routing between the ISP and internal networks.
Does anyone suppose its original source could be located so
at least a paragraph could be inserted warning of the danger
and recommending the user hook up with his network
administrator to ensure he doesn't inadvertantly create a
backdoor into his organization?


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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

> gsolis>now my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
> gsolis>for compile the new kernel.?
> i whould say - reinstall the all system
> there lots of thigs that u need to upgrade - libs , etc..
> so i think thats the best thing u could do.
> if u're realy want to do it manualy (NOOO!!!) then email vadik@arbornet.org
> he is the only person i know that did it. (crazy hacker)

Crazy -- yes, hacker -- not yet :)

I did it on my slackware (yes! in elder days of Linux) system, well, with
HOWTOs in my hands (actually, with nutscrape between my fingers), but I
won't tell you to RTFM, I'll gladly help.  Well, but I think that
upgrading debian packages will work (but I'm not sure).  My current system
(Debian 1.1, mostly) has a.out libs installed too.

> Regards
> borik

Borik you promised me RedHat fortune ;)

All the best,
Vadik the Elf (vadik@arbornet.org).

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Stoyan Kenderov wrote:

> Boris Beletsky wrote:
> > 
> 
> Hi Boris,
> 
> you might try adding an "-L/usr/X11R6/lib" to the CFLAGS line of the
> Makeflag (or unlesss you don't use one on the gcc line".
> I also had this sort of trouble a long time ago. Which compiler version
> and binutils are you using?

It's better to run this command from /usr:
ln -s X11R6 X11

> It is a misnomer in the configuration of the GCC, ld I think.
> 
> <RESPONSIBILITY OFF>
> just my 2 cents.
> <RESPONSIBILITY ON>

#ifndef RESPONSIBILITY
I hate HTMLisms!  I like C! :)
#endif

Vad.

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> My debian box doesn't seem to be able to boot with
> 16 megs ram!!
> 
> Dos and windows works fine, but Linux just hangs after
> it does partition check. I boot with lilo, using both
> kernels 2.0.17 & 18. The basic Debian boot disks crash
> when mounting the ramdisk, dumping register values and
> informing me of a protection fault. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You probably have a hardware problem with the memory.  I recently tried
to add an extra 16MB to my system.  It was EDO ram and worked fine under
dos/windows, but not Linux.  Linux places much higher stress on the
memory subsystem.
                                             
                                          Brian
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`dpkg -S savelog' on my system reports:

debianutils: /usr/man/man8/savelog.8
debianutils: /usr/bin/savelog

At some stage it disappeared from my machine as well. I just reinstalled it.

Giuseppe


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In message <m0v0VTz-0007owC@mongo.pixar.com> you write:
|From: Amos Shapira <amos@dsi.co.il>
|> In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
|> CD-ROM, we tried to run "dpkg --root=... --unpack", just to see if the
|> files aren't corrupted.
|[...]
|> Selecting previously deselected package perl.
|> Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
|> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
|> file or directory
|> dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
|> 03-2.deb (--unpack):
|> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
|
|It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the pre-installation
|script in the perl package.

Which interpreter?  When I run "dpkg -I" on the perl package I see only
#!/bin/sh scripts.  And if it's missing (whatever it is) then what should
I do to install it?

|
|Install the base system on the disk before you unpack packages to it.

I did an untar of base1_1.tgz into that directory.

|The best way is to do it via floppies the way one would normally install
|a system, as everything will be configured
|properly. You might try to extract disks-i386/current/base1_1.tgz there
|instead, but that will not completely configure the system so some stuff
|might still break.

Isn't it possible to supply a "usable" base tree?  Why can't a fully
configured tree be provided?

I might be totally wrong here, but I'd like to test things by manually
installing whatever is need to be done, rather than let dselect and
the boot disks do their magic behind my back.  I think I'd just feel
more comfortable with the resulting image if I knew what actually is
happening in there.

|
|The libg++ doesn't compile with the ELF libc. That's why it's in that
|state. I'm not sure what's happening with this - whether there is a
|maintainer working on it or if we're just going to wait for GNU LIBC 6.

I understand.  But what's the difference between the "--root=..."
environment and without that would cause such a message?

|
|Watch out for dangling symbolic limks. It's best to test an install from
|your CD-writable pre-master using the "dselect" program. Another company
|got burned by this recently and had to replace 50 CD-writables.

Oh, I'm not doing it for profit.  I want to help people around me to
have easier access to Debian.

|
|	Thanks

Thank you for everything.

|
|	Bruce
|

--Amos

--Amos Shapira                    | "Of course Australia was marked for
133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
Jerusalem 93 805                  |  by the finest judges in England."
ISRAEL             amos@dsi.co.il |                     -- Anonymous


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Dear all,

Because I needed some organisation in my mail (yes, if only in mail...), I
tried to install the mailagent_3.44-6.deb. This gave me a few problems, of
which I seem to have solved most. The binary file was:

-rwx------   1 root     root       524307 Aug 29 12:40 /usr/bin/mailagent

so I was unable to have it executed by any ordinary user. Further, the mail
spool file was assumed to be: /usr/spool/mail, instead of /var/spool/mail as
it is in Debian.
The only thing still failing is indicated in my log file:

96/09/10 12:47:13 mailagent[6]: starting SAVE /var/spool/mail/ben
96/09/10 12:47:53 mailagent[6]: WARNING could not lock /var/spool/mail/ben
96/09/10 12:47:53 mailagent[6]: WARNING was unable to get any lock on /var/spool
/mail/ben
96/09/10 12:47:53 mailagent[6]: ERROR could not save mail in /var/spool/mail/ben
96/09/10 12:47:53 mailagent[6]: DUMPED in /var/spool/mail/ben
96/09/10 12:47:54 mailagent[6]: FILTERED [qm30816] 14 bytes

It seems that this indicates a permission problem. I do not know where to look. 
/var/spool/mail looks like this:

-rw-rw----   1 ben      mail         1446 Sep 10 14:47 ben

Does anyone have a clue? I also would like to know what I did wrong
installing the package?

Thanks everyone for any suggestions!

Erik van der Meulen
eme@ncm.nl



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Me:
> It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the
> pre-installation script in the perl package.

From: Amos Shapira <amos@dsi.co.il>
> Which interpreter?  When I run "dpkg -I" on the perl package I see only
> #!/bin/sh scripts.  And if it's missing (whatever it is) then what should
> I do to install it?

It's expecting to be able to run the shell on that partition in a "chroot"
context - this requires all of the shared libraries needed to start the
shell, etc. Try something like this (assuming the test partition is on
scratch):

	cd /scratch
	chroot /scratch bin/sh

If that doesn't work, you should be able to figure out why. This may
indicate a bug in dpkg's --root flag if that _does_ work. I have a
vague memory of something like this happening before. The _current
directory_ before you run it may be important - try to cd to /scratch
before running it.

> Isn't it possible to supply a "usable" base tree?  Why can't a fully
> configured tree be provided?

The only stuff that isn't configured is stuff like the host name, the
resolver configuration, the network configuration, and the mount table:
all things that require some user input.

> I might be totally wrong here, but I'd like to test things by manually
> installing whatever is need to be done, rather than let dselect and
> the boot disks do their magic behind my back.  I think I'd just feel
> more comfortable with the resulting image if I knew what actually is
> happening in there.

That is indeed prudent. I think you have to learn all of the "magic" that
they do so that you can duplicate it manually. Install the boot-floppies
package and read the scripts under /usr/src/boot-floppies . If you don't
have time for this, create a CD-writable pre-master, and go through the
entire installation process with it (magic and all). Then you can come back
and learn the magic later on.

>> The libg++ doesn't compile with the ELF libc. That's why it's in that
>> state. I'm not sure what's happening with this - whether there is a
>> maintainer working on it or if we're just going to wait for GNU LIBC 6.

> I understand.  But what's the difference between the "--root=..."
> environment and without that would cause such a message?

Presence of the a.out libraries in /scratch?

I think once you walk through the way I build base1_1.tgz in the
boot-floppies package this will make more sense.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

jworthington>My ISP is worldnet.att.net.  They use a PPP connection protocol
jworthington>developed by Shiva.  I'm not sure whether it uses PAP or CHAP.  I
jworthington>normally access using the windows 95 dialer by
jworthington>filling in the Username and Password fields.  There is no logon /
jworthington>dialing script.

u will have to try and dial into u're ISP via some terminal prog. like minicom
and check how can u fix the connection via chat script

jworthington>Is anybody successfully connecting to Worldnet with Linux?
jworthington>How do I configure pppd to emulate the Windows 95 dialer protocol?

TO EMULATE?!
ppp deamon is not win95 emulator!

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Marek Duszynski wrote:


m.duszynski>Can anybody send me some example /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down
m.duszynski>with short discription of what they do please ?
ppp-up/down is just a shell script that are being executed when pppd connects
if u don't have spetial ideas just leave them as they now

hope that helps :-)
borik

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Does anyone know if a linux driver exists for the D-Link DE-220P
ethernet card? This is not the device that connects through a
parallel port but rather a 16-bit ISA plug-n-play internal board.
I've looked for information and for files (presumably named
something like de-220 or de220) on my Debian 16 June 96
distribution as well as other archives and haven't found any
reference to it. The dlink.com ftp site seems to have only DOS
and windows executables and info.
	I like Bruce Perens's idea of splitting up the mailing
list because, even if I did have a mail filter (which I assume
parses the subject line), I don't think subject messages are
necessarily clear as to category of discussion, and I have a hard
time getting through the volume of mail. For that reason, I'd
also appreciate responses to the above query made directly to me
at: steve@astro.wlu.ca rather than this email address.

	Thanks
	--Steve Izma, Wilfrid Laurier University Press
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I recently tried Xemacs for the first time from the rex directory tree.
While for the most part I like it better than regular Emacs, I can't seem
to get the command-line switch -f to work. Under Emacs, I would do:

emacs -f auto-fill-mode filename 

to start in auto fill mode.  The same thing in Xemacs doesn't work though.
Anyone know why?

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  David> Do I have to completely remove TeX and then reinstall it?

Just downgrade to mfbasfnt-1.0-3 from the "stable" aka buzz-fixed release. It
contains a manfnt.mf so that TeX builds. "dpkg --configure babel" should then
set babel straight.

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Vadik V. Vygonets wrote:


vadik>Crazy -- yes, hacker -- not yet :)
don't beleave him!

vadik>Borik you promised me RedHat fortune ;)

fortune
      (RedHat)

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smartin>Whilst trying to install tk40 I get a dependency error on elf-x11r6lib.
smartin>I've checked the Debian Web and ftp sites and haven't been able to find it.
smartin>Can anyone tell me where to access this file?

elf-x11r6lib - (pkg name:) xlib 
libs for X11R6 (Xwindows)
- --------------------------------
Package: xlib
priority: standard
section: x11
maintainer: Stephen Early <sde1000@debian.org>
version: 3.1.2-7
depends: libc5, ldso (>=1.7.14-1)
conflicts: elf-x11r6lib
provides: xR6shlib, xlibraries, elf-x11r6lib
filename: [....]/binary-i386/x11/xlib_3.1.2-7.deb 
msdos-filename: [....]/msdos-i386/x11/xlib.deb
(this ver of xlib is in unstable dir  , but that pkg can be found in any
/binary-i386/x11/xlib* )
size: 721055
md5sum: b1fad748ef7da4bcce3d6b83d359129f
description: XFree86 3.1.2 shared libraries
architecture: i386
replaces: elf-x11r6lib
source: XFree86
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Bruce Perens writes:
> The libg++ doesn't compile with the ELF libc. That's why it's in that
> state. I'm not sure what's happening with this - whether there is a
> maintainer working on it or if we're just going to wait for GNU LIBC 6.

What do you mean?  libg++27-2.7.1-2 builds fine for me with
libc5-5.2.18-10.

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Simon Martin writes:
> Whilst trying to install tk40 I get a dependency error on elf-x11r6lib.
> I've checked the Debian Web and ftp sites and haven't been able to find it.
> Can anyone tell me where to access this file?

'elf-x11r6lib' is provided by the xlib package.

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Put this file in /var/spool/texmf/fonts/tfm, this should fix the problem.
I had the same problem, the package developer mailed me this file.

Hope this helps,

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, David Morris wrote:

> Last week I tried to remove and then reinstall Babel3.6-4 and faced the
> same bug that someone wrote about last week (I had previously sent a bug
> report in to the bug-reports address). The error involved MakeTeXTeX
> filling the drive with the endless loop of trying to make a non-existent
> (that I can have yet to find) manfnt.mf (if I remembering correctly).
> 
> dpkg now sees this package sitting there broken. it can't install it and
> it can't purge it because it always gets stuck in this loop.
> 
> I haven't heard anything back about either the bug report or the message
> in this list.
> 
> How can this be fixed?
> 
> So far anything I've wanted to install has gone very smoothly. Do I have
> to completely remove TeX and then reinstall it? (ugh) or is there someway
> to get Babel to either get installed or purged (I really don't need it,
> but it won't hurt to have it there)
> 
> I was content to just have it sit there broken while waiting for word from
> someone, but now I find that I can't use TeX or LaTeX because it thinks
> Babel is still there and functional.
> 
> --
> David Morris  bweaver@worf.netins.net
> ---
> The fundamental question in life is whether we live it from the
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> ---
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bcwhite>Don't do this!!!  I tried this fix for netscape and it causes problems
bcwhite>with 'man'.  It search X11, X11R6 and X386 directories for man pages so
bcwhite>if you create a link like this, it will find all of you X manpages twice.
bcwhite>
bcwhite>The better solution is to add the -L flag to the compile line.
hmm.. i have /usr/X , /usr/X11R5 , /usr/X11 , /usr/X386 links to /usr/X11R6
and all works fine , except compiling xjed :-\

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Jean Orloff sent this script
>Another Very Useful Bonus (also thanks to Lukas Nellen): in /etc/ppp/ip-up
	#!/bin/sh
	#
	# IP is up now...
	#
	interface=$1
	device=$2
	speed=$3
	local_ip=$4
	remote_ip=$5
	
	# let's use this opportunity to flush our mail queue
	#/usr/lib/sendmail -q &
	
	# broadcast IP up message
	echo Local IP: $local_ip through $interface on $device is up | wall

I think that there are cases where the routing tables should be adjusted here
as well.

Nathan


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David L. Craig (dlc@g1.com) wrote:
: I was very unhappy to see this nice explanation ignore the
: perils of IP routing between the ISP and internal networks.
: Does anyone suppose its original source could be located so
: at least a paragraph could be inserted warning of the danger
: and recommending the user hook up with his network
: administrator to ensure he doesn't inadvertantly create a
: backdoor into his organization?

I am not aware that this could happen. There is no IP routing going on at all.
Most ISPs (like us) block all routing information sent from the PPP link.


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> > you might try adding an "-L/usr/X11R6/lib" to the CFLAGS line of the
> > Makeflag (or unlesss you don't use one on the gcc line".
> > I also had this sort of trouble a long time ago. Which compiler version
> > and binutils are you using?
> 
> It's better to run this command from /usr:
> ln -s X11R6 X11

Don't do this!!!  I tried this fix for netscape and it causes problems
with 'man'.  It search X11, X11R6 and X386 directories for man pages so
if you create a link like this, it will find all of you X manpages twice.

The better solution is to add the -L flag to the compile line.
                                             
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dselect should have shown you that the "xlib" package now provides
elf-x11r6lib. 


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  Steve> I like Bruce Perens's idea of splitting up the mailing
  Steve> list because, even if I did have a mail filter (which I assume
  Steve> parses the subject line),

Wrong assumption. Install the procmail package and see that it can parse
_anything_ from mail-header fields to actual mail contest.

Mail-readers that can "thread" as the emacs VM or GNUS modes are also useful.

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From: Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com>
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I'm still looking for a driver for the Intel EtherExpress Pro/10+.  As I =
have a Cogent EM960 that LIMPS along [frequently locking up the system =
under heavy load], I am quite willing to cobble together a driver-- but =
know next to nothing about enet drivers [yeah, I can almost hear the =
knowledgable cringe].

I was hoping to start with Don Brecker's [sp-- sorry, can't remember] =
Pro/100 driver as a basis as it almost works, but I can't get to Don's =
site-- cesdis seems to be down.

So;  Has anyone done any work on just such driver??

If so, I'd be more than happy to provide whatever teesting/assistane I can =
[I'm kinda dead in the water until I get a hold of just such a driver]?  =
If not, does anyone care to offer assistance as I struggle through the =
development process?

thanks,
b.bum=


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Boris Beletsky writes:
> lists>add in /etc/conf.modules:
> lists>alias char-major-10 misc
> how about :
> alias char-major-10 off ?
> cause i realy don't have non serial mice

Yes, you should set all modules to off that get requested despite not being
available.

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Bernd Eckenfels writes:
> Therefore there is one alias needed:
> 
> alias char-major-10 misc
> 
> Each single device with major 10 will be requested from kerneld with:
> 
> char-major-10-%d, therefore the following aliases are needed in addition:
> 
> alias char-major-10-0 busmouse
> alias char-major-10-1 psaux
> alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
> alias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
> alias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
> alias char-major-10-6 ?
> alias char-major-10-130 wdt (or softdog)
> alias char-major-10-131 wdt
> alias char-major-10-134 apm_bios
> alias char-major-10-135 rtc

Quite a lot of these are already built into the kerneld source (at least if
you use a fairly new one). Please tell me which of these aliases is missing
in the latest modules release.

Michael

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I got and compiled DOSEMU 0.63.1.75. After several attempts, going back
and forth to pick up needed stuff like bison, byacc, libslang it finally
compiled. Then when I tried to run it, I get this:

Error:	The module was compiled on kernel version 2.0.0
	This kernel(mine) is version 2.0.13. They don't match.
	Check that the module is useable with the current kernel,
	recompile the module and try again.

Where can I find the up to date module (emumodule) ? Or what should
I do to make the one I have match the current kernel?


Chuma


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Hi,

It just occured to me that any evil intentioned or mad maintainer could add
	rm -rf /
or anything of this sort in a postinst script.

I just would like to know what kind of protection debian could offer against
such an unpleasant event. I am sure Bruce cannot afford to be very picky in the
choice of maintainers (there are orphan packages crying for one).

This is the kind of argument against Debian being used at large in my
institute, the result being that half man pages are missing, even if you have
such a complete manpath as

MANPATH=/lapphp8/users/orloff/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/local.old/man:/lapphp0_2/local/X11R5/man:/lapphp1_1/usr/man:/lapphp1_1/usr/local/man:/usr/contrib/man

Amities,

		Jean Orloff
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> It just occured to me that any evil intentioned or mad maintainer could add
> 	rm -rf /
> or anything of this sort in a postinst script.

Yes. Or hide stuff in the binaries. You need root permissions to install
stuff in /bin etc.

> I just would like to know what kind of protection debian could offer against
> such an unpleasant event. I am sure Bruce cannot afford to be very picky in the
> choice of maintainers (there are orphan packages crying for one).
> 
> This is the kind of argument against Debian being used at large in my
> institute, the result being that half man pages are missing, even if you have
> such a complete manpath as

This argument is not limited to Debian. It is as valid for any binaries
whatsoever, including those in commercial systems (how do you know that
your nice Commercial Unix (or DOS, or...) will not autodestruct on 
March 4, 1997?)

This is a matter of trust.

If you don't trust binaries, install only a minimal system, read the
source (every line of it), understand it, compile it and install it.

At least with free software, you have the source...
(as Joey puts it: "never trust an OS you don't have the sources for").

And with Debian, uploads are PGP-signed by their (known) maintainer, so
you can at least be reasonably sure from whom they're coming from.

If I would want to destroy systems, I'd upload some binaries to sunsite;
with "reasonable" precautions, it is very difficult or even impossible to
trace them back to me.

This kind of subject comes up very often on comp.security.{unix,misc}
and likely comp.risks too.

Ray
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ART  A friend of mine in Tulsa, Okla., when I was about eleven years old. 
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his name in vain. 
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It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
it up and if there is a 1.1 version.

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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:

> In message <m0v0VTz-0007owC@mongo.pixar.com> you write:
> |From: Amos Shapira <amos@dsi.co.il>
> |> In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
> |> CD-ROM, we tried to run "dpkg --root=... --unpack", just to see if the
> |> files aren't corrupted.
> |[...]
> |> Selecting previously deselected package perl.
> |> Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
> |> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
> |> file or directory
> |> dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
> |> 03-2.deb (--unpack):
> |> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
> |
> |It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the pre-installation
> |script in the perl package.
> 
> Which interpreter?  When I run "dpkg -I" on the perl package I see only
> #!/bin/sh scripts.  And if it's missing (whatever it is) then what should
> I do to install it?

Hello,

	In a very uncommon situation, I found that a package (I can't
remember what :( ), was looking for perl in /bin, while perl is in
/usr/bin. I just did a symlink manually and the installation succeed. 

> 
> --Amos
> 
> --Amos Shapira                    | "Of course Australia was marked for
> 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
> Jerusalem 93 805                  |  by the finest judges in England."
> ISRAEL             amos@dsi.co.il |                     -- Anonymous
> 
> 

HTH,

[]s, mario 

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In article <32367AC9.10805EE0@cs.latrobe.edu.au> Bernard Leach <leachbj@cs.latrobe.edu.au> writes:

> It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
> apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
> it up and if there is a 1.1 version.

According to debian/indices/Maintainers as available on Debian FTP
servers apache is maintained by Yves Arrouye
<Yves.Arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> .

	Sven
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Hi Jean --

There are (at least) 3 counterarguments to the concern that Debian 
maintainers could maliciously add dangerous commands to their 
{pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts:
-- the same package system which is open to many for development is 
equally open to many for testing.
-- by having both "stable" and "unstable" releases, Debian distinguishes 
between packages which are [likely to have been] tested and those which 
are not.
-- as the saying goes, "Never interpret as malicious that which could 
also be explained by stupidity."   Humans at commercial software firms
are no more protected from their own stupidity than humans who are working
to provide free software, _and_ who are offering the world the opportunity
to scrutinize their source code.  

Another way to pose the question is, what would motivate a developer to
include mailicious software?  He could be pretty sure that the offending
code would be found quickly, and he would be identified (via PGP keys)
with the problem.  The perpetrator would be immediately banned from 
using the system.  And all he got for his trouble was to inconvenience one
or a few unknown, randomly selected, victims.  Not a very good tradeoff.

All the same questions being asked of free software should be asked, 
of course, of the commercial software...  

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Bernard Leach wrote:
> 
> It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
> apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
> it up and if there is a 1.1 version.
> 

Hi Bernard,

you may want to know, that the package version  1.0.5-1 gives me
on an ordinary machine, ordinary setup a lot of "oops"

I am out of time in the moment, but I will give it a closer look
this weekend and try to isolate the bug...

Besides, the kernel doesn't freeze on the general protection
oops'es and nothing else happens. Only this annoying syslogs.

regards,
   Stoyan 
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I am trying to locate a current set of packages that would
upgrade a 1.1.7 system to use shadow passwords.

Could anyone point out where I might find the required
packages?

Also what is the Debian standpoint on shadow passwords?

-- 
Bernard Leach                    La Trobe Uni Melbourne Australia
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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, J.H.M.Dassen wrote:

> > It just occured to me that any evil intentioned or mad maintainer could add
> > 	rm -rf /
> > or anything of this sort in a postinst script.
> 
> Yes. Or hide stuff in the binaries. You need root permissions to install
> stuff in /bin etc.
> 
> > I just would like to know what kind of protection debian could offer against
> > such an unpleasant event. I am sure Bruce cannot afford to be very picky in the
> > choice of maintainers (there are orphan packages crying for one).
> > 
> > This is the kind of argument against Debian being used at large in my
> > institute, the result being that half man pages are missing, even if you have
> > such a complete manpath as
> 
I would argue that Debian's large and diverse development group provides
better protection from this kind of activity than smaller, closed
development groups. This gives us a large, diverse group of testers. It is
very unusual for a package to move from unstable to stable without someone
trying it out. Because of the new pgp signatures, only one person is
responsible for the contents of the package. This makes it unlikely that
someone smart enough to build a package would not understand their
identifiability. This means that the likelyhood of a "nasty" getting out
is small, and the identification of the perp is certain.
Tell your institute that Debian is better protected from this kind of
event than most Linux distributions.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I did a level 0 dump of a partition into another with the command

dump u0f - / | (cd /mnt; restore xf -)

Now I want to do a level 9 update, so that only what was changed since
the level 0 dump is upgraded. I tried

dump uf - / | (cd /mnt; restore xf -)

but I get lots of

warning: cannot create hard link ./bin/uncompress->./bin/gunzip: File exists

Am I doing something wrong? Is dump really able to only update what
has changed?

Carlos


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I'm trying to search for unused files, but I want to exclude a
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cd /scratch && find . -atime +7 -path ./var -prune -o -print

but it doesn't work. Any clues?

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Hi,

maybe somebody could clue me in how to get this to work:

Until recently, I just rolled my own kernel as I was used to do
with Slackware. But since I found out about make-kpkg, I decided
to do things the Debian way and use that instead. After much hassle
wit the broken tar (solved by downgrading), there's still a problem:
Whenever I try to make a modules package for my system, I end up
with a message like "Modules not configured, so not making modules".

However, grep _MODULES .config tells me "CONFIG_MODULES=y", so yes,
I have them enabled.

I'm not a Makefile guru, so I just don't understand the check
in /usr/lib/kernel-package/debian/kernel.rules:

# define MODULES_ENABLED if appropriate
ifneq ($(strip $(shell egrep ^[^\#]*CONFIG_MODULES $(CONFIG_FILE))),)
MODULES_ENABLED = yes
endif

I've tried to patch it up by adding another MODULES_ENABLED after
the endif, but that doesn't work, either. It just might be that I
missed the real rules file anyways - I just patched the three I 
found. 

Any help would be sincerely appreciated,
-- 
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> It just occured to me that any evil intentioned or mad maintainer could add
> 	rm -rf /
> or anything of this sort in a postinst script.

Yes. Or hide stuff in the binaries. You need root permissions to install
stuff in /bin etc.

> I just would like to know what kind of protection debian could offer against
> such an unpleasant event. I am sure Bruce cannot afford to be very picky in the
> choice of maintainers (there are orphan packages crying for one).
> 
> This is the kind of argument against Debian being used at large in my
> institute, the result being that half man pages are missing, even if you have
> such a complete manpath as

This argument is not limited to Debian. It is as valid for any binaries
whatsoever, including those in commercial systems (how do you know that
your nice Commercial Unix (or DOS, or...) will not autodestruct on 
March 4, 1997?)

This is a matter of trust.

If you don't trust binaries, install only a minimal system, read the
source (every line of it), understand it, compile it and install it.

At least with free software, you have the source...
(as Joey puts it: "never trust an OS you don't have the sources for").

And with Debian, uploads are PGP-signed by their (known) maintainer, so
you can at least be reasonably sure from whom they're coming from.

If I would want to destroy systems, I'd upload some binaries to sunsite;
with "reasonable" precautions, it is very difficult or even impossible to
trace them back to me.

This kind of subject comes up very often on comp.security.{unix,misc}
and likely comp.risks too.

Ray
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ART  A friend of mine in Tulsa, Okla., when I was about eleven years old. 
I'd be interested to hear from him. There are so many pseudos around taking 
his name in vain. 
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It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
it up and if there is a 1.1 version.

-- 
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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Amos Shapira wrote:

> In message <m0v0VTz-0007owC@mongo.pixar.com> you write:
> |From: Amos Shapira <amos@dsi.co.il>
> |> In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
> |> CD-ROM, we tried to run "dpkg --root=... --unpack", just to see if the
> |> files aren't corrupted.
> |[...]
> |> Selecting previously deselected package perl.
> |> Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
> |> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
> |> file or directory
> |> dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
> |> 03-2.deb (--unpack):
> |> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
> |
> |It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the pre-installation
> |script in the perl package.
> 
> Which interpreter?  When I run "dpkg -I" on the perl package I see only
> #!/bin/sh scripts.  And if it's missing (whatever it is) then what should
> I do to install it?

Hello,

	In a very uncommon situation, I found that a package (I can't
remember what :( ), was looking for perl in /bin, while perl is in
/usr/bin. I just did a symlink manually and the installation succeed. 

> 
> --Amos
> 
> --Amos Shapira                    | "Of course Australia was marked for
> 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.          |  glory, for its people had been chosen
> Jerusalem 93 805                  |  by the finest judges in England."
> ISRAEL             amos@dsi.co.il |                     -- Anonymous
> 
> 

HTH,

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In article <32367AC9.10805EE0@cs.latrobe.edu.au> Bernard Leach <leachbj@cs.latrobe.edu.au> writes:

> It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
> apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
> it up and if there is a 1.1 version.

According to debian/indices/Maintainers as available on Debian FTP
servers apache is maintained by Yves Arrouye
<Yves.Arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> .

	Sven
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:53:56 +0200."
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Hi Jean --

There are (at least) 3 counterarguments to the concern that Debian 
maintainers could maliciously add dangerous commands to their 
{pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts:
-- the same package system which is open to many for development is 
equally open to many for testing.
-- by having both "stable" and "unstable" releases, Debian distinguishes 
between packages which are [likely to have been] tested and those which 
are not.
-- as the saying goes, "Never interpret as malicious that which could 
also be explained by stupidity."   Humans at commercial software firms
are no more protected from their own stupidity than humans who are working
to provide free software, _and_ who are offering the world the opportunity
to scrutinize their source code.  

Another way to pose the question is, what would motivate a developer to
include mailicious software?  He could be pretty sure that the offending
code would be found quickly, and he would be identified (via PGP keys)
with the problem.  The perpetrator would be immediately banned from 
using the system.  And all he got for his trouble was to inconvenience one
or a few unknown, randomly selected, victims.  Not a very good tradeoff.

All the same questions being asked of free software should be asked, 
of course, of the commercial software...  

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann


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Bernard Leach wrote:
> 
> It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
> apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
> it up and if there is a 1.1 version.
> 

Hi Bernard,

you may want to know, that the package version  1.0.5-1 gives me
on an ordinary machine, ordinary setup a lot of "oops"

I am out of time in the moment, but I will give it a closer look
this weekend and try to isolate the bug...

Besides, the kernel doesn't freeze on the general protection
oops'es and nothing else happens. Only this annoying syslogs.

regards,
   Stoyan 
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I am trying to locate a current set of packages that would
upgrade a 1.1.7 system to use shadow passwords.

Could anyone point out where I might find the required
packages?

Also what is the Debian standpoint on shadow passwords?

-- 
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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, J.H.M.Dassen wrote:

> > It just occured to me that any evil intentioned or mad maintainer could add
> > 	rm -rf /
> > or anything of this sort in a postinst script.
> 
> Yes. Or hide stuff in the binaries. You need root permissions to install
> stuff in /bin etc.
> 
> > I just would like to know what kind of protection debian could offer against
> > such an unpleasant event. I am sure Bruce cannot afford to be very picky in the
> > choice of maintainers (there are orphan packages crying for one).
> > 
> > This is the kind of argument against Debian being used at large in my
> > institute, the result being that half man pages are missing, even if you have
> > such a complete manpath as
> 
I would argue that Debian's large and diverse development group provides
better protection from this kind of activity than smaller, closed
development groups. This gives us a large, diverse group of testers. It is
very unusual for a package to move from unstable to stable without someone
trying it out. Because of the new pgp signatures, only one person is
responsible for the contents of the package. This makes it unlikely that
someone smart enough to build a package would not understand their
identifiability. This means that the likelyhood of a "nasty" getting out
is small, and the identification of the perp is certain.
Tell your institute that Debian is better protected from this kind of
event than most Linux distributions.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I did a level 0 dump of a partition into another with the command

dump u0f - / | (cd /mnt; restore xf -)

Now I want to do a level 9 update, so that only what was changed since
the level 0 dump is upgraded. I tried

dump uf - / | (cd /mnt; restore xf -)

but I get lots of

warning: cannot create hard link ./bin/uncompress->./bin/gunzip: File exists

Am I doing something wrong? Is dump really able to only update what
has changed?

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I'm trying to search for unused files, but I want to exclude a
directory from the search. I tried

cd /scratch && find . -atime +7 -path ./var -prune -o -print

but it doesn't work. Any clues?

Carlos


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Hi,

maybe somebody could clue me in how to get this to work:

Until recently, I just rolled my own kernel as I was used to do
with Slackware. But since I found out about make-kpkg, I decided
to do things the Debian way and use that instead. After much hassle
wit the broken tar (solved by downgrading), there's still a problem:
Whenever I try to make a modules package for my system, I end up
with a message like "Modules not configured, so not making modules".

However, grep _MODULES .config tells me "CONFIG_MODULES=y", so yes,
I have them enabled.

I'm not a Makefile guru, so I just don't understand the check
in /usr/lib/kernel-package/debian/kernel.rules:

# define MODULES_ENABLED if appropriate
ifneq ($(strip $(shell egrep ^[^\#]*CONFIG_MODULES $(CONFIG_FILE))),)
MODULES_ENABLED = yes
endif

I've tried to patch it up by adding another MODULES_ENABLED after
the endif, but that doesn't work, either. It just might be that I
missed the real rules file anyways - I just patched the three I 
found. 

Any help would be sincerely appreciated,
-- 
Thomas Baetzler, thb@regioservice.de, thb@spectre.ka.sub.org
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Could someone, preferably the kernel maintainer, tell me
what the debian specific changes are to the kernel and
module architecture compared to say, slackware or redhat?
Firstly, the debian-kernel-image 2.0.6 provided on the ftp
sites is broken, even though in the stable tree. When I
install it, it tries to update the psdatabase in /boot,
not in /etc. Once the image installed, the modules seem
broken. The dependencies are screwed, so kerneld and modprobe
can't do their work. I have to manually insmod, for example,
first slhc, then slip, because if I try to insmod slip first,
I get "xxxx undefined" etc.etc.

As a remedy, I got the latest kernel (2.0.18) and thought of
doing a nice, new fresh install. I therefore compiled the kernel
and modules as I have always done under slackware and redhat,
rebooted, and got the same problems as before. I am going bananas!
On my other debian box, I somehow fixed this problem, but I have
no idea how. It seems as if one day, it started loading modules
well again.
In conclusion, I feel that the kernel maintainer must be doing
something strange. He has already made changes to the /usr/include/
linux, asm, and scsi architecture, something which I believe is
uneccessary and confusing for some people, and which causes some
grief when trying to compile dosemu and other programs which rely
on the latest kernel includes.

Sincerely,
Miro


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Hello,
	I am trying to install Debian Linux with the 2.0.0 kernel. I am getting
the following error.

aic7xxx: Resetting the SCSI bus...done
NCR53c4060: no available ports found
aic7xxx: (aic7xxx-isr) Encountered spurious interrupt.
aic7xxx: (aic7xxx-isr) BRKADRINT error(0x1):
	Illegal Host Access
Kernel panic: aic7xxx: (aic7xxx-isr) BRKADRINT, error(0x1) seqaddr(0x0)


I am running on a HP Netserver 5/66 LF.

CPU: Pentium 66mhz
Memory: 32meg
SCSI is an integrated AIC-7770

I have used the "aic7xxx=extended,noreset" parameter at the boot: prompt
with both "extended" and "noreset", only "extended", only "noreset" and
with out the parameters and I always get the same error.

As far as I can tell from the documentation this should be a supported
configuration.

Any help would be appreciated. If you respond would you please CC my
address on the note I am not sure if my subscription to the list took.



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Hello,

I was trying to test the boot process of Debian 1.1.8, which kept
failing in the stage of unpacking the bases diskettes.

The system is:

80486 DX2/66
16Mb memory
AHA1542CF ISA scsi controller
PCI motherboard

Disks:
IDE - Western Digital 600Mb
SCSI - a very old, very slow HP SCSI-1 disk

some other devices are connected, but they are not relevant (info
will be provided on demand, of course).  I was testting the
installation on the SCSI disk.

What I experienced was that I was constantly getting a message
saying:

gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data -- format violated
Error in archive format.

When at the stage of unpacking the floppies (i.e. after they were
copied to the hard disk).

I md5sum'ed and compared the diskettes against the files which
were copied to them, they compared fine.

Under multi-user (I allready have Debian 1.1.x running), I ran
floppy_merge from the "boot-floppies" package.  It read the
diskettes without complaining (as it does during installation), and
created a file which passed "gzip -tv" and "star" fine.

Then I tried to boot from the boot diskettes and install the
base diskettes on the IDE drive.  This WORKED.

So I suspected that maybe the kernel in the boot disk can't handle
the SCSI disk well (I never got any errors from the SCSI), so still
with dinstall running on the first vc, I switched to vc2 and manually
ran floppy_merge, gzip and star on the troublesome SCSI disk.  This
WORKED TOO.

The only explenation I can think of (which isn't very robust, I
admit) is that maybe star finds the pipe from gzip to be empty
sometimes, and quits instead of waiting for gzip to fill the pipe.
This might also explain the fact that the point of complaint wasn't
exactly the same all the time.

Thanks for any input about this.

Cheers,

--Amos Shapira
amos@dsi.co.il


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> 
> I got and compiled DOSEMU 0.63.1.75. After several attempts, going back
> and forth to pick up needed stuff like bison, byacc, libslang it finally
> compiled. Then when I tried to run it, I get this:
> 
> Error:	The module was compiled on kernel version 2.0.0
> 	This kernel(mine) is version 2.0.13. They don't match.
> 	Check that the module is useable with the current kernel,
> 	recompile the module and try again.
> 
> Where can I find the up to date module (emumodule) ? Or what should
> I do to make the one I have match the current kernel?
> 
> 
> Chuma
> 

I had some problems like that at one time when compiling some programs.
Chances are the /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm are pointing
to the original installed kernel you had.  You have probably since
then compiled your own version of the kernel but not used the proper
Debian kernel source package and hence didn't update these two
directories.  You may want to try making symbolic links for these
directories to the include directories for the kernel you compiled
and do a clean recompile of dosemu.

Cheers!
Richard..

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> Does anyone know if a linux driver exists for the D-Link DE-220P
> ethernet card? This is not the device that connects through a
> parallel port but rather a 16-bit ISA plug-n-play internal board.
> I've looked for information and for files (presumably named
> something like de-220 or de220) on my Debian 16 June 96
> distribution as well as other archives and haven't found any
> reference to it. The dlink.com ftp site seems to have only DOS
> and windows executables and info.

Some friends and I all have a bunch of D-Link DE-250CT's, which are
NE2000 compatible.  They all work fine under Linux.  I had to use 
their setup program (under M$-DOS) to set the IRQ, I/O address, 
BNC, RJ-45, and a few other things.  After that, yer set!

Cheers,


Snoopy
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toddh@nortel.ca      Story at 11."


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From: Jean Orloff <orloff@lapp.in2p3.fr>
> It just occured to me that any evil intentioned or mad maintainer could add
>	rm -rf /
> or anything of this sort in a postinst script.
>
> I just would like to know what kind of protection debian could offer against
> such an unpleasant event. I am sure Bruce cannot afford to be very picky in
> the choice of maintainers

This is a problem with any software - commercial or otherwise. How do you
know that a disgruntled Microsoft employee has not planted a booby-trap
in Windows 95? Indeed, several Microsoft products have shipped with viruses.
I think this is more of a problem with commercial software, since there is
much less scrutiny of the source code and the resulting binary programs than
there is with free software.

We identify the maintainers, and we provide security on the master system
so that non-maintainers will not be uploading packages. We encourage
maintainers to PGP-sign uploads, although we can't do it for everyone since
some countries (like France) prohibit encryption. If there ever was a problem,
we'd be able to trace it back to the cause and a criminal prosecution would
be the probable result.

We also have a testing program that goes on continuously. Users are on the
mailing lists the minute a problem comes up.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Stoyan Kenderov wrote:

> you may want to know, that the package version  1.0.5-1 gives me
> on an ordinary machine, ordinary setup a lot of "oops"

What kernel are you using? I know there is a bad kernel which causes
apache to have big problems. I think it is 2.0.15 but don't remember for
sure. I think 2.0.13 and 14 are reasonably good. Try one of those and see
if your problem goes away.  I think 2.0.15,16,17 are not very stable and
should be avoided. 

Gerry


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Bernard Leach (leachbj@cs.latrobe.edu.au) wrote:
: It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
: apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
: it up and if there is a 1.1 version.
A debian apache 1.1.1 is available on ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian/apache

This packe will be removed as soon as the official maintainer releases and Apache
version. We run Apache 1.1.1 with debian on multiple machines.


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Is the setserial program contained in any of the Debian packages, or will
I have to install it seperately?

Thanks, Chris.

===
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> 
> This is a matter of trust.
> 
> If you don't trust binaries, install only a minimal system, read the
> source (every line of it), understand it, compile it and install it.
> 

... and keep backups!!!

 - Jim



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> but I get lots of
> warning: cannot create hard link ./bin/uncompress->./bin/gunzip: File
> exists

Dump is probably complaining that it can't create a symbolic link because
the symbolic link already exists. It probably always archives symbolic
links, whether they have been recently created or not. It should lstat()
them and see if they point to the right place, and if so it should not
complain.

A recent alpha-test version of GNU tar emits this same complaint.

	Bruce


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Hello,

I have debian 1.1 and I installed an anonymous ftp service. It works fine
except for an annoying problem: ftp users can always see the files in the
ftp site even though there is no "ls" binary under the bin directory of
~ftp.

I understand that ftp users will only be able to execute commands with
valid binaries under ~ftp/bin. So if there is no ~ftp/bin/ls there
shouldn't be a way to see the directory structure. Am I wrong?

I'd appreciate any hint on this.

Thank you,

Pedro Ivan
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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Thomas Baetzler wrote:

> Until recently, I just rolled my own kernel as I was used to do
> with Slackware. But since I found out about make-kpkg, I decided
> to do things the Debian way and use that instead. After much hassle
> wit the broken tar (solved by downgrading), there's still a problem:
> Whenever I try to make a modules package for my system, I end up
> with a message like "Modules not configured, so not making modules".

Sorry, I can't help you with your problem, but this does raise a question
in my mind: what exactly is the benefit of using the kernel-package vs.
rolling your own kernel? When I build my kernel, I have to build it 3
times, for a 586, 468, and a pentium. The 586 and 486 are diskless
clients, and all of them need different things in the kernel that
can't be provided as modules (math emulation for the 586, built in
nfs-root for the diskless machines, etc). So I've written scripts
to automate building and distributing the kernel to the 3 computers. 

How would using kernel-package help me? I just don't see much of a point
to it for someone who's already comfortable with building the kernel,
unless you need to make a single kernel package to be used on a bunch of
machines.

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     Hello all.
     
     I would like to install gimp.
     
     Pardon my ignorance ...
     I see that there are two versions.
     
     gimp-dmotif (dynamic)
     vs.
     gimp-smotif (static)
     
     I am using a standard debian install with X, tcp/ip ...
     
     I would like to know :
     
        q1 - how do I know if I can use the static version?
     
        q2 - given a choice between both, what version would be "better or
             faster ...". Are there any pros and/or cons to choosing one or 
             the other when both are valid options for a given machine 
     (i.e..         speed vs. size ... )?
     
     Thanx in advance ...
     
     Keep up the good work - it is greatly appreciated.


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Amos,

This sounds like a probelm that I'm trying to track down!

Here are some key questions:

1) Is your floppy boot disk connected to the floppy controller on the
   1542?
2) What is the ROM release of the 1542?  (It should appear as the
system
   starts up).
3) What brand and revision is your system BIOS?

-and-

4) Does the problem go away if you turn off the internal and/or
external
   cache?

Turning off the cache seems to be the way to get around this problem.
 To do this, you need to go into the BIOS setup. The settings might be
"internal" and "external" cache, or "level 1" and "level 2" cache, or
something like that.

*PLEASE* let me know the answers to these questions.  I've got the same
problem.  I've worked around it but I really want to *solve* it!

Thanks!
Chris -)-----

On Sep 11,  7:50pm, Amos Shapira wrote:
> Subject: bug ins installation disks utilities?
: Hello,
:
: I was trying to test the boot process of Debian 1.1.8, which kept
: failing in the stage of unpacking the bases diskettes.
:
: The system is:
:
: 80486 DX2/66
: 16Mb memory
: AHA1542CF ISA scsi controller
: PCI motherboard

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Did you see any error messages on the floppy I/O?

I've seen the floppy driver fail in several cases. I have a Pentium 120
laptop here in which the floppy works when cold, not when warm. Windows
95 runs that floppy just fine.

The fix is probably to "tune" the floppy timing parameters automaticaly
in the driver when there is an I/O failure. Not that I have time to
implement that.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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In article <3236B548.73DD0A16@xlink.net>,
Stoyan Kenderov  <kenderov@xlink.net> wrote:
>
>you may want to know, that the package version  1.0.5-1 gives me
>on an ordinary machine, ordinary setup a lot of "oops"

A user level program can _never_ result in a kernel oops. If it does,
it's bad hardware (RAM!) or yes, a real kernel bug. Some Linux kernels
in the late 2.0.x series do indeed have these kind of bugs. Upgrade
to 2.0.19 (released yesterday) and you'll be fine.

Mike.
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On Sep 11,  6:39pm, Bernard Leach wrote:
} Subject: apache package
} It seems that Mark Shuttleworth is no longer maintaining the
} apache package.  Just wondering who, if anyone has picked
} it up and if there is a 1.1 version.

The 1.1.1 version will be in unstable this week.
Yves.


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  Todd>  Some friends and I all have a bunch of D-Link DE-250CT's, which are
  Todd> NE2000 compatible.  They all work fine under Linux.  I had to use
  Todd> their setup program (under M$-DOS) to set the IRQ, I/O address, BNC,
  Todd> RJ-45, and a few other things.  After that, yer set!

Looking around at Don Becker's site, I once found two really handy C source
files for us NE2000 users. 

The first, atlantic.c, allows me to set these irq, i/o, bnc or rj-45, ...
under Linux rather than the unspeakable os. The other, ne2k.c, display the
ne2000 cards status.

I seem to have gotten them from
	ftp://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/linux

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Hi all,

Thanks for all the replies on elf-x11r6lib. To avoid just dribbling
enquiries out I think it would be better to let you know what I'm doing and
see if you can help me.

I am installing a Debian-Linux server for the first time in order to comply
with the following criteria (in chronological order):

1) Setup as an Internet client. I will be the only person using it.
Connected to an ISP using SLIP or PPP. The ISP will assign my IP address at
connection. It must dial/disconnect on demand. I need all the normal access
(ftp, telnet, http, news, gopher, mail)

2) Setup as a firewall. This server will become a Proxy server to supply
Internet access to an internal organization. Again all normal Internet
access must be available.

3) Setup as an Intranet server. Serve our own internal news, mail, http
requirements

4) Setup as a dedicates Internet server. 24 hour leased line Internet
server.

In parallel I will start developing software on this UNIX kernel. I work
principally in control and MMI (man machine interfaces). Up till now I have
only designed and implemented on DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95 (32 bit-multi
threaded) and proprietary Embedded and Stand alone controllers.

If anyone could help me by sending any kind of instructions, links to Web
sites, or other information that might be helpful I would be much obliged.

Thanks, in advance, for any help.

"Simon Martin"<smartin@reuna.cl>

"Old software engineers never die, they just fail to boot"

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Hello,

Please note that the 1.1.1 apache package, which will be on Debian archives
as soon as transferred from chiark, still installs in /var/web and don't
take www-data into account. The next release will use www-data correctly,
run the server under www-data.www-data identity if wanted, but I didn't have
the time to do that properly and there was much demand on a 1.1.1 release.

The 1.1.1 package does offer dynamic linking of modules, and a PHP module
will be available shortly.

Please not that CGI scripts that used to be in the Apache package were
moved to the new cgi-scripts package that you may want to get along with
the Apache one.

Yves.

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Chris R. Martin wrote:
> 
> Is the setserial program contained in any of the Debian packages, or will
> I have to install it seperately?

Package: setserial
priority: required
section: base
maintainer: Gordon Russell <gor@dcs.napier.ac.uk>
version: 2.10-8
filename: unstable/binary-i386/base/setserial_2.10-8.deb
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description: Configures serial ports.
essential: yes
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Just recently I have begun having strange problems with midnight
commander. After some time some of the keys stop working. This usually
involves the arrow keys, but occasionaly the function keys stop working as
well. When this happens pressing the key produces characters at the
prompt, but no results. In the case of the arrow keys I can quit mc, type
reset at the prompt and return to mc with functional arrow keys. In the
case of the function keys killing the process and resetting the terminal
does not fix the problem. However, if I log out and log back in mc again
works fine. I am using the 3.2.1-1 version of mc. I have updated several
package recently (don't clearly remember which ones) and installed xpdf. 
Has anyone had similar problems? Anybody have any idea what's happening?

TIA,

Dwarf

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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Chris R. Martin wrote:

> 
> Is the setserial program contained in any of the Debian packages, or will
> I have to install it seperately?
> 
Setserial is provided in the base packages (as it is used at boot time)

Luck,

Dwarf

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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Jim Pick wrote:

jim>
jim>
jim>> 
jim>> This is a matter of trust.
jim>> 
jim>> If you don't trust binaries, install only a minimal system, read the
jim>> source (every line of it), understand it, compile it and install it.
jim>> 
jim>
jim>... and keep backups!!!

one prob.
u'll need to install _some_ bin's


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From: gram@merece.uthscsa.edu (Gilbert Ramirez Jr.)
Subject: Re: static vs. dynamic - gimp
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As David_Oswald@prenhall.com said:
> 
>      Hello all.
>      
>      I would like to install gimp.
>      
>      Pardon my ignorance ...
>      I see that there are two versions.
>      
>      gimp-dmotif (dynamic)
>      vs.
>      gimp-smotif (static)

motif is a commercial library of routines for X applications to use.
The static gimp binary has the necessary motif functions linked in with
it... resulting in large file. 

The dynamically-linked motif does not have those motif functions. The
executble file is much smaller this way, but you need to have the motif
library installed on your system. To do this, you have to buy it. The going
price is about $100 or so (I believe).

Developers are allowed to statically link their executables to the motif
library and distribute the resulting program freely, as long as they do not
distribute the motif source code.
      
>      I am using a standard debian install with X, tcp/ip ...
>      
>      I would like to know :
>      
>         q1 - how do I know if I can use the static version?

You can always use the static version. You can *only* use the dynamic
version if you buy motif. 

Of course, in the tradition of free software, there is a group of
programmers working on a free drop-in-replacement for motif. It's called
lesstif, but it's still in its early stages.
      
>         q2 - given a choice between both, what version would be "better or
>              faster ...". Are there any pros and/or cons to choosing one or 
>              the other when both are valid options for a given machine 
>      (i.e..         speed vs. size ... )?

I'd go for the dynamic version because of the smaller file size. BUT you
need to buy motif to do so. So until you do, you'll have to use the static
version.
      
>      Thanx in advance ...
>      
>      Keep up the good work - it is greatly appreciated.
> 
> 

--gilbert
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David_Oswald@prenhall.com writes:

>      gimp-dmotif (dynamic)

Use this one if you have purchased and installed Motif on your computer.

>      gimp-smotif (static)

Use this one otherwise.

--
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> 
>      Hello all.
>      
>      I would like to install gimp.
>      
>      gimp-dmotif (dynamic)
>      vs.
>      gimp-smotif (static)
>      
>      I am using a standard debian install with X, tcp/ip ...
>      
>      I would like to know :
>      
>         q1 - how do I know if I can use the static version?

You can use the static version.  Whether or not you want to is another
story. 

The difference is in how the two packages are linked.  Gimp requires
the use of the Motif libraries.  However, the Motif libraries have
restrictive distribution requirements.  You must pay money for the
shared version of the Motif libraries, but it is perfectly acceptable
to distribute programs linked statically with the Motif libraries.

The tradeoff is memory -- each copy of the static libraries gets
loaded into memory for each statically linked program running, whereas
for the shared libraries, only one copy of the library is loaded into
memory regardless of the number of programs using it.  In addition,
each executable statically linked has a copy of the library on disk,
as opposed to only one copy in the /usr/X11/lib directory.

So the static version can be used by anyone -- it doesn't require the
use of the costly shared Motif libraries.  The dynamic version is only
useful if you have the shared Motif libraries.

>      
>         q2 - given a choice between both, what version would be "better or
>              faster ...". Are there any pros and/or cons to choosing one or 
>              the other when both are valid options for a given machine 
>      (i.e..         speed vs. size ... )?

If you -can- use the dynamic version, you probably should.  Since you
will probably be using other Motif applications (else why would you
have bought the libraries?), using shared libraries instead of static
libraries will give you more free memory, less swapping, etc.

However, if you -can't- use the dynamic version, then you need the
static version.

If you only have Debian stuff installed, then you don't have Motif
installed.  So in that case, you will need the static version.

>      
>      Thanx in advance ...
>      
>      Keep up the good work - it is greatly appreciated.
> 


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David_Oswald@prenhall.com writes:
>      gimp-dmotif (dynamic)
>      vs.
>      gimp-smotif (static)

[...]

>      I would like to know :
>      
>         q1 - how do I know if I can use the static version?
>      
>         q2 - given a choice between both, what version would be "better or
>              faster ...". Are there any pros and/or cons to choosing one or 
>              the other when both are valid options for a given machine 
>      (i.e..         speed vs. size ... )?

The "problem" here is that Motif is commercial software, with a licence that
restricts certain kinds of distribution.  If Motif were free (and there are
efforts in progress to write a free version), then there would only be one
version of Gimp available - the dynamic one.

In brief:
	Have Motif licence         ->  Use dynamic version
	Do not have Motif licence  ->  Use static version or buy licence

The dynamic/static refers to how the program is linked with the Motif
libraries.  Dynamic means it is done at run-time, static means it is done at
compile-time.  Dynamic means the executable is much smaller, both on disk
(it need not include a copy of the library) and in memory (it can share a
copy of the library with other processes), but requires the user to have the
Motif libraries installed on their system.  Static means the executable is
much larger on disk, and cannot share a copy of the library in memory, but
means a user without the Motif libraries can run it.

This what I understand of how the licensing works (somebody please correct
me if I'm wrong).  To be able to use the dynamic version, you must have the
Motif libraries installed, which means you must have purchased a Motif
licence, because the libraries may not be distributed in standalone form.
However, the libraries may be distributed if they are statically linked in
with a program (which means they can't be re-linked with another program).
This licensing scheme means that developers are not discouraged from using
Motif for development (they can distribute a version which users can use
even without a Motif licence), but it also encourages users to obtain a
Motif licence (their programs will be able to share one copy of the library
on disk and in memory).

				Warwick

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> I have debian 1.1 and I installed an anonymous ftp service. It works fine
> except for an annoying problem: ftp users can always see the files in the
> ftp site even though there is no "ls" binary under the bin directory of
> ~ftp.

The "chroot" is only done for _anonymous_ ftp and thus only this login
has limited command access.  All other userids will run with the standard
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>>>>> "chris" == Chris R Martin <chrism@asic.sc.ti.com> writes:

    > Is the setserial program contained in any of the Debian
    > packages, or will I have to install it seperately?

I didn't do anything special, and it is here on my Debian 1.1
system.  I don't know which package it is a part of off hand, but
I just used it to set the port for my modem and now I'm up and
running and reading your email...

Mike

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I am trying to use gs to view postscript files.  I don't have X, and have
tried the command

   gs -sDEVICE=linux try.ps

I get a message that the clocks have not been set,  and an offer to set
them for me.  After I have the machine do that and run gs again, I get

   illegal instruction (core dumped)

Can somebody explain what might be happening?  

If it helps my libvga.config file (comment lines deleted) is:

           (starts below this line)

clocks 100 126 92 36 50 57 0 45 135 32 110 80 40 45 75 65

mouse microsoft

monitor 35.5

C0

c1


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THE DEBIAN WEB SITE HAS NOW BEEN INDEXED!!!

Since Verisim has been claiming on our web site to support Debian, we
thought the least we could do would be to index Debian as part of our
new "InSite" search service.

So, drop on by  http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple  and
give it a try.

Perhaps somebody running the Debian web site would place a link to this
on the front page? (hint, hint)
                                             
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i've updated dpkg-ftp to 1.4.3 and now i can't seem to download any
more files. this is a typical output of what i get (tried it with a
few different packages):

Processing Package files...
 unstable...
 contrib...
 non-free...

Constructing list of files to get...
want: unstable/binary-i386/admin/lshell_2.01-3.deb (9k)

Approximate total space required: 9k
Available space in : 120805
513309
424890
1272581
227382
607497
405104
858882
39264
877656
64274
124654
49133
54550
126048
198773
37510
168844
15217
0
650746
21897

49%k
Do you want to select the files to get [n]: 

Do you want to download the required files [y]: 
Downloading files... use ^C to stop
Connecting to sun10.sep.bnl.gov...
Login as anonymous...
Setting transfer mode to binary...
Cd to /pub/Linux/debian...
getting: unstable/binary-i386/admin/lshell_2.01-3.deb

Processing downloaded files...(for corrupt/old/partial)
Can't stat : No such file or directory

i've even downloaded the file and put it by hand in
/var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/debian/unstable/binary-i386/x11/ but to no
avail. if i try to retrieve the file a second time dpkg-ftp won't even
try thinking it already has it. what do i do now other that going back
to 1.4.2. thanks.

--alex--

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"Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com> writes:

> Don't do this!!!  I tried this fix for netscape and it causes problems
> with 'man'.  It search X11, X11R6 and X386 directories for man pages so
> if you create a link like this, it will find all of you X manpages twice.
> 
> The better solution is to add the -L flag to the compile line.

Agreed.

A little earlier in the thread (article's already gone) if was mentioned
you could add the -L/... flag to CFLAGS in a Makefile.  I'd like to
amend that: if the Makefile keeps LDFLAGS separately, as some do, it
belongs there instead, as a flag specifically to the linker.  Messed
this up just today :-)

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Thanks to Joey Hess, a bug in the info module has been spotted (the module
makes a SIGSEGV). The bug has been corrected and another bug in this module,
regarding the dumping of the currentr configuration, has been fixed too.

The module will be part of the next Apache release. In the meantime, it
is available from master.debian.org in ~arrouye/apache/modules/mod_info.so
and can be installed (mode 755) in place of /usr/lib/apache/modules/mod_info.so.

Yves.

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 You wrote:
 >Subject: how to exclude a directory from find?
 >Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
 >Date:    11.09.96 21:33
 >
 >I'm trying to search for unused files, but I want to exclude a directory 
 >from the search. I tried
 >cd /scratch && find . -atime +7 -path ./var -prune -o -print
 >but it doesn't work. Any clues?
 >
 >Carlos
 
 If you're only interested in regular files, try adding the `-type f' to 
 the find command, e.g.,  
 
 $ cd /scratch && find . -type f -atime +7 -path ./var -prune -o 
 
 The -print flag is not really needed as is executed by default. 
 
 ----
 
 Certainly it would be nice to have something like:
 $ find . -type !d  
 to match files which are not directories, but I don't know if something 
 like that is possible for find. So if can take your question and rephrase 
 it: 
 
 Is there any kind of "logical not" affecting a flag in find? 
 Something similar to the `grep -v regexp' as opposed to `grep regexp'. 
 
 Answers are welcome.
 
 When I need something like  that, I always end up adding the flag -ls to 
 `find',  and piping to `grep -v pattern'. 
 
 Just to give you an idea of what I have in mind (I haven't tried this... 
 would you?)   
 
 $find . -ls | grep -v "dr???????? " 
 
 and if only the filename list is what you need, pipe the ouptut to `cut -c 
 column_number_here- '.
 
 As it is written above it will fail, as it filters out a filename with the 
 string `draconiano ', but you got the idea. right? 
 
 I repeat the above is a dirty/slow/inefficient/ugly/ and _imperfect_ 
 solution :-).
 
 I am guessing the ?s attempt to catch any of `the single characters r w x 
 s or - which may appear in the permission string written due to the `-ls' 
 flag to `find'. I am sure there might be better ways of specifying the 
 pattern to match (maybe grep'ing -v all the possibilities : `drwxrwxrwx ', 
 `drwxrwxrw- ', etc). The space at the end is important and the double 
 quoting too to avoid the shell to expand the patttern. 
 
 Of course, this may not be a solution for including in shell scripts, but 
 if you do it once in a while it might work.
 Cheers,
 
 Lazaro <salem@rf.no>

PS. BTW, the man page for gnu find is the 1st one I recommend to learn 
thoroughly (I should do it again :-).


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>i've updated dpkg-ftp to 1.4.3 and now i can't seem to download any
>more files. this is a typical output of what i get (tried it with a
>few different packages):
>
i hate to answer my own questions, but after comparing the files in
1.4.2 to 1.4.3 i've discovered that 1.4.3 will let you set the
download directory as opposed to 1.4.2 when it was hardcoded. so one
needs to setup the access mode again and after that everything will
work just fine. shouldn't this be done automatically when installing
the package? i think it should. maybe we should consider this a bug.

--alex--

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Richard.Dansereau@ee.umanitoba.ca wrote:
> 
> >
> > I got and compiled DOSEMU 0.63.1.75. After several attempts, going back
> > and forth to pick up needed stuff like bison, byacc, libslang it finally
> > compiled. Then when I tried to run it, I get this:
> >
> > Error:        The module was compiled on kernel version 2.0.0
> >       This kernel(mine) is version 2.0.13. They don't match.
> >       Check that the module is useable with the current kernel,
> >       recompile the module and try again.
> >
> > Where can I find the up to date module (emumodule) ? Or what should
> > I do to make the one I have match the current kernel?
> >
> >
> > Chuma
> >
> 
> I had some problems like that at one time when compiling some programs.
> Chances are the /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm are pointing
> to the original installed kernel you had.  You have probably since
> then compiled your own version of the kernel but not used the proper
> Debian kernel source package and hence didn't update these two
> directories.  You may want to try making symbolic links for these
> directories to the include directories for the kernel you compiled
> and do a clean recompile of dosemu.
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard..
> --------------------------------------------

I looked at both directories . They do not compare so I hesitate to do that until I
learn how to unlink in case I mess up. Thanks Richard. I'm afraid I may not have 
understood you well enough. 

Chuma


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I tried to install xemacs 19.14, and dselect complains that it conflicts with
FSF emacs.  This is simply not true.  The two emacsen keep their support files
in different places--as a matter of fact, I have xemacs 19.14 installed, and
both it and FSF emacs work fine.  This is a bug in the package spec for xemacs
19.14.

Also, I have netnews support software installed, and use Gnus with FSF emacs
to read news.  But: every time I go into dselect, it tries to install nn.  FSF
emacs should "provide" newsreader (or whatever it's called), so dselect will
stop hassling me.

-Randy
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Michael Harnois wrote:
> 
> Chuma Agbodike <ak349@lafn.org> writes:
> 
> > I got and compiled DOSEMU 0.63.1.75. After several attempts, going back
> > and forth to pick up needed stuff like bison, byacc, libslang it finally
> > compiled. Then when I tried to run it, I get this:
> >
> > Error:        The module was compiled on kernel version 2.0.0
> >       This kernel(mine) is version 2.0.13. They don't match.
> >       Check that the module is useable with the current kernel,
> >       recompile the module and try again.
> >
> > Where can I find the up to date module (emumodule) ? Or what should
> > I do to make the one I have match the current kernel?
> >
> >
> > Chuma
> 
> With some linux packages -- e.g. Debian -- a separate set of kernel headers is
> maintained, and dosemu's autodetect routine finds those instead. The cure is
> to disable the autodetect and hardcode the path to the headers for the kernel
> you're using. You'll have to do make pristine and configure again. Then go
> to dosemu/src/arch/linux and edit Makefile.main. You'll see the line to
> comment out and the one to uncomment near the top of the file.

Thanks Michael.

	I followed your suggestion. After recompiling, I did ./load_module.sh as
instructed. But I got a new error:

error reading zSystem.map errno=2. I have System.map in /boot not zSystem.map


Chuma


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Bernard Leach writes:
> 
> I am trying to locate a current set of packages that would
> upgrade a 1.1.7 system to use shadow passwords.

The shadow packages are in project/experimental. Most packages in rex are
already shadow aware.

> Also what is the Debian standpoint on shadow passwords?

Will be included in 1.2.

Michael

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Hi!

Is there an official Debian Logo? I haven't found one.

If not, we could start a Logo contest, just as the Linux Logo Contest. I'm
just an administrator and not an artist, but perhaps we have some on this
list!

An logo would be nice for disk labels, CD covers, www.debian.org, etc.


Cheers,

Chris

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Hi!

I've got a problem with ghostscript and TeX. I convert a TeX file to
postscript with dvips and print it with gs.

If I use gs-4.01, the characters are "cut off" at the very right side (of
each character!). This is not much so you have to look very carefully to
see it, but when you use italic, it's quite obvious. Note the this is not
a gsfonts problem, since dvips converts the TeX fonts into a
Postscript/bitmap font.

When I use gs-2.xx, this problem does not occur. I used the same
postscript file to test this, so it isn't a TeX or dvips problem. 

I haven't tried it with gs-3.xx, but I remember that I had the same
problem on my old Slackware system, where I switched from gs-2 to gs-3 and
the problem appeared, but I never tracked the error down. (This also
means, that it isn't a Debian specific problem.)

Does someone else have a similar problem or a hint what I can try? I can
provide more infos and/or a small demo file so this can be tested on
more systems.


Thanks in advance,

Chris

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 Scheetz (warf) writes:
 
 >Subject: Strange problems with mc.
 >Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
 >Date:    12.09.96 04:59
 >Just recently I have begun having strange problems with midnight 
 >commander. After some time some of the keys stop working. This usually 
 >involves the arrow keys, but occasionaly the function keys stop working 
 >as well. When this happens pressing the key produces characters at the 
 >prompt, but no results. In the case of the arrow keys I can quit mc, type 
 >reset at the prompt and return to mc with functional arrow keys. In the 
 >case of the function keys killing the process and resetting the terminal 
 >does not fix the problem. However, if I log out and log back in mc again 
 >works fine. I am using the 3.2.1-1 version of mc. I have updated several 
 >package recently (don't clearly remember which ones) and installed xpdf. 
 >Has anyone had similar problems? Anybody have any idea what's happening?>
 >
 
 Well I have just an idea of what may be the problem if that happens under 
 X. If you have the problem on the console too, just forget this message. 
 
 It smells like a terminfo/termcap problem. xterm have usually such a 
 problem.  I experienced the same running mc on HP machines with broken 
 terminfo database. In the manual of mc there is some info about how to fix 
 that. 
 hope it helps,
 lazaro <salem@rf.no>

 


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Lazaro Salem <salem@rf.no> wrote:

>The -print flag is not really needed as is executed by default.

This isn't true of all systems. If you want portability, include the
-print.

>Certainly it would be nice to have something like:
> $ find . -type !d  
> to match files which are not directories, but I don't know if something 
> like that is possible for find. So if can take your question and rephrase 
> it: 
> 
> Is there any kind of "logical not" affecting a flag in find? 

Yes, ! is it. find uses shell-style evaluation, so for the above you
would say:

    find . ! -type d -print

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Carlos Carvalho <carlos@riglos.fisica.ufpr.br> wrote:

>I'm trying to search for unused files, but I want to exclude a
>directory from the search. I tried
>
>cd /scratch && find . -atime +7 -path ./var -prune -o -print
>
>but it doesn't work. Any clues?

Move the -atime condition to just before the -print (then have a think).

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Lazaro.Salem@rf.no wrote:
: 
:  
:  Certainly it would be nice to have something like:
:  $ find . -type !d  

find ! -type d

        or depending on your shell

find \! -type d


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Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
Thanks.

AK


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Hi there,

Can anyone tell me if there is a UK source of Debian CDROMS ?
I would be most grateful for any info.

John Olwoch


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Hi folks,

Is the release of Debian 1.2 around the corner as scheduled?

Thanks for such a good job!

lazaro <salem@rf.no>


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This is exactly my problem. The _anonymous_ users still can use the "ls"
command even though there is no ~ftp/bin/ls binary! How's that possible?

Pedro Ivan
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Brian C. White wrote:
> 
> > I have debian 1.1 and I installed an anonymous ftp service. It works fine
> > except for an annoying problem: ftp users can always see the files in the
> > ftp site even though there is no "ls" binary under the bin directory of
> > ~ftp.
> 
> The "chroot" is only done for _anonymous_ ftp and thus only this login
> has limited command access.  All other userids will run with the standard
> commands in /bin.
> 
>                                           Brian
>                                  ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
> 
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> Is there an official Debian Logo? I haven't found one.

There was one: a "baby-gnu". It was decided to drop it following the
troubles with the FSF (the "lignux" stuff).

I still have copies:
http://www.debian.org/attic/debian-small.gif
http://www.debian.org/attic/debian.gif

>   "DIE ENTE BLEIBT DRAUSSEN!"
As opposed to "in die Badewanne(sp?)"? It looks like a rubber one.

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> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Is there an official Debian Logo? I haven't found one.
> 
> If not, we could start a Logo contest, just as the Linux Logo Contest. I'm
> just an administrator and not an artist, but perhaps we have some on this
> list!
> 
> An logo would be nice for disk labels, CD covers, www.debian.org, etc.
> 

When I read the subject, and the first line, I completely misunderstood.

Is there a Debian Logo package?  By this, I mean the programming language
Logo.  (And before people complain that Logo is too frivolous a language
to have in the distribution, remember we have an Intercal package already.)

Later,
  BP


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>>>>> "LS" == Lazaro Salem <Lazaro.Salem@rf.no> writes:

 LS>  Is there any kind of "logical not" affecting a flag in find?
 LS> Something similar to the `grep -v regexp' as opposed to `grep
 LS> regexp'.

There is. Try find . ! -type d etc. See the section on operators in
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Randy Gobbel <gobbel@cogsci.ucsd.edu> writes:

> 
> I tried to install xemacs 19.14, and dselect complains that it conflicts with
> FSF emacs.  This is simply not true.  The two emacsen keep their support files
> in different places--as a matter of fact, I have xemacs 19.14 installed, and
> both it and FSF emacs work fine.  This is a bug in the package spec for xemacs
> 19.14.

I don't have the file around anymore, but in the last debian-changes
announcement for xemacs, the maintainter noted that he had a problem
with the installation of info files that both emacs and xemacs provide.
He couldn't get xemacs to not overwrite the emacs-provided ones, and so
had to list the packages as conflicting for now, though he was very
unhappy about that.  I haven't downloaded the xemacs package, so I don't
know if this is mentioned anywhere within.

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There is a significant problem when installing "ld.so" and "libc5" using
'dftp'.

Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
"libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
install.

I'll fix this for dftp v2.1, but for now it would be wise to install
these packages individually by hand with "dpkg --install <pkg>" before
running 'dftp' to fetch the rest of them.
                                             
                                          Brian
                                 ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
                                             
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There is a significant problem when installing "ld.so" and "libc5" using
'dftp'.

Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
"libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
install.

I'll fix this for dftp v2.1, but for now it would be wise to install
these packages individually by hand with "dpkg --install <pkg>" before
running 'dftp' to fetch the rest of them.
                                             
                                          Brian
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I have made several attempts to install the mailagent_3.44-6.deb package 
from the stable tree without much success.
After installation, the command mailagent -I (for user installation) results 
in:

  bash: /usr/bin/mailagent: Permission denied

Mannually adding more rights seems to solve that, but the log file keeps 
complaining:

  mailagent[6]: starting SAVE /var/spool/mail/ben
  mailagent[6]: WARNING could not lock /var/spool/mail/ben
  mailagent[6]: WARNING was unable to get any lock on /var/spool
  /mail/ben
  mailagent[6]: ERROR could not save mail in /var/spool/mail/ben

and I can't seem to deal with that.
I am not really sure if I am overlooking some simple thing or if there is 
something wrong with the package. So I wander I anyone has managed to get 
this package working? Maybe I should divert to an older version?

Any suggestions appreciated.

Erik van der Meulen <eme@ncm.nl>

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Hello fellow debians,

Last week, I moved over from slackware 3.0 to debian 1.1. What a 
relief, really, except for one thing: my connection with the world. 
Everything installed just fine, However, my mail really bothers me.

Here, at my work I have to retrieve my mail from a novell server. I 
can do this by `fetchpop' or `popclient'. This is all right, but when 
I'm usingthe mailagent  Pine as an ordinary user, I only can read the 
inbox file, but I cannot alter it: pine can't get the mailbox lock 
from the incoming folder. However, as root I do not have a problem.

Last night, I managed to work my way around the problem with 
chmod-ding some directories and files. But at the xx-th startup, 
Everything was ruined again. For deleting my mail, I  have to use W95 
again (arghhh...)

If someone can help me with this problem, I would be very, very 
pleased.

thanks in advance,

Marc
marc@farm.rug.nl


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Michael Harnois wrote:
> 
> Chuma Agbodike <ak349@lafn.org> writes:
> 
> >
> > Thanks Michael.
> >
> >       I followed your suggestion. After recompiling, I did ./load_module.sh as
> > instructed. But I got a new error:
> >
> > error reading zSystem.map errno=2. I have System.map in /boot not zSystem.map
> 
> What kernel version are you using?

I am using 2.0.13. I had also tried doing insmod emumodule.o and I get
a sreenfull of all kinds of modules symbols undefined.

Thanks Michael


Chuma


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Michael Harnois wrote:
> 
> Chuma Agbodike <ak349@lafn.org> writes:
> 
> > error reading zSystem.map errno=2. I have System.map in /boot not zSystem.map
> 
> My System.map is in /, not /boot. Looking at the notes in insmod.c, it's
> supposed to automatically take System.map if zSystem.map is not present. But
> I'm wondering why your System.map is in /boot, and I'm not enough of a hacker
> to have an answer for that question.

In my linux Makefile, BOOTDIR is specified as /boot .
I am very green in linux. Migrating from DOS and win31 / 95. I currently
have to LILO boot DOS (and thus run Win95 or 3.1) or Linux. However I
want to boot only linux and with DOSEMU have access to some DOS based
apps that I must use.


Chuma


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> Subject:       Re: bug ins installation disks utilities?

> Amos,
> 
> This sounds like a probelm that I'm trying to track down!
> 
> Here are some key questions:
> 
> 1) Is your floppy boot disk connected to the floppy controller on the
>    1542?

No, the floppy is connected to the on-board IDE controller - a 82078 
chip (according to "dmesg").
 
> 2) What is the ROM release of the 1542?  (It should appear as the
> system
>    starts up).

It's a 1542CF with BIOS v2.02

> 3) What brand and revision is your system BIOS?

AMI BIOS version 1.00.02.AY0

> 
> -and-
> 
> 4) Does the problem go away if you turn off the internal and/or
> external
>    cache?

No.  But when we turned off the turbo (in addition to turning off the 
caching) it DID go away.

> 
> Turning off the cache seems to be the way to get around this problem.
>  To do this, you need to go into the BIOS setup. The settings might be
> "internal" and "external" cache, or "level 1" and "level 2" cache, or
> something like that.
> 
> *PLEASE* let me know the answers to these questions.  I've got the same
> problem.  I've worked around it but I really want to *solve* it!

Hope the above helps.  ME and my friend (Yigal, who actually did all 
the work) are at your service for more experimentation and info.
(but we are entering a holidays period, so we'll have a little less 
time at work than usual).

> 
> Thanks!

Thanks to you.

--Amos Shapira
amos@dsi.co.il

And...
==================================================
Rosenberg Yigal.
System Administrator.
Tel: +(972)-3 5319367
Fax: +(972)-3 5313311
==================================================


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Algirdas Kunigelis wrote:

> 
> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
> deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
> how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
> but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
> Thanks.

Please post it to the list, there are several people (like me) that wanna
hear about it too.  MANY thanks in advance,
Vad.

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> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
> deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
> how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
> but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
> Thanks.

The best way I found was to grab an existing package (hello is a good one)
and learn how it does it.
                                             
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Hi,

> Is the release of Debian 1.2 around the corner as scheduled?

How about the PAckages with "Distribution: unstable" shouldnt we change this
to Distribution: rex" since it would require changing if the new release
becomes stable, too?

Greetings
Bernd


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 Lazaro.Salem@rf.no wrote:

>  Certainly it would be nice to have something like:
>  $ find . -type !d  
>  to match files which are not directories, but I don't know if something 
>  like that is possible for find. So if can take your question and rephrase 
>  it: 
>  
>  Is there any kind of "logical not" affecting a flag in find? 

Yes, see the operators section in the find manpage.
Above would be
$ find . ! -type d


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Alex Romosan wrote:

> i hate to answer my own questions, but after comparing the files in
> 1.4.2 to 1.4.3 i've discovered that 1.4.3 will let you set the
> download directory as opposed to 1.4.2 when it was hardcoded. so one
> needs to setup the access mode again and after that everything will
> work just fine. shouldn't this be done automatically when installing
> the package? i think it should. maybe we should consider this a bug.

Yes, I think it's a bug.  1.4.3 could just wipe out the recorded data
in its postinst, forcing you to resetup, or it could come with 1.4.2's
hardcoded location as the default.

I'll file a report.


Guy


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Algirdas Kunigelis wrote:

> 
> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
> deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
> how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
> but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
> Thanks.
> 
Whatever you have gotten from the man page has recently been heavily
changed by the new source format. You will find the latest versions of
dpkg and dpkg-dev appearing shortly in the rex path (they were in Incoming
this morning) but a recent version (1.3.14 should be on the faster
mirrors) will have the information you require. You should look at
Policy.html and Programmer.html in /usr/doc/dpkg. 
In any case you should be using dpkg to build your packages with as it
will put everything in the correct place in the file for proper unpacking
and installation.

Luck,

Dwarf

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I have undeliverable mail in my mail queue that dates back to August 12th,
and smail hasn't bounced it back to the sender yet. Has anyone else
noticed this problem? I thought it was supposed to bouncemail after 5
days..

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   Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
   From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>

   Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
   "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
   install.

I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.

--Mike


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   Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
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   Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
   "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
   install.

I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.

--Mike


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Marc Weeber wrote:

> Here, at my work I have to retrieve my mail from a novell server. I 
> can do this by `fetchpop' or `popclient'. This is all right, but when 
> I'm usingthe mailagent  Pine as an ordinary user, I only can read the 
> inbox file, but I cannot alter it: pine can't get the mailbox lock 
> from the incoming folder. However, as root I do not have a problem.

Your inbox must have the following permissions/owner/group:
-rw-rw----   1 vadik    mail       105980 Sep 12 22:16  /usr/spool/mail/vadik
Check that.

> If someone can help me with this problem, I would be very, very 
> pleased.

Hope it helps.

> thanks in advance,

My pleasure.

> Marc

Vadik.

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> Mannually adding more rights seems to solve that, but the log file keeps
> complaining:
> 
>   mailagent[6]: starting SAVE /var/spool/mail/ben
>   mailagent[6]: WARNING could not lock /var/spool/mail/ben
>   mailagent[6]: WARNING was unable to get any lock on /var/spool
>   /mail/ben
>   mailagent[6]: ERROR could not save mail in /var/spool/mail/ben
> 

Are you running mailagent as a user?  Because if you are it's
probably a problem with the permissions on /var/spool/mail.
Normal users shouldn't be able to create files in this directory
(arguable security risk).

Unfortunately to do mail file locking one must make a .lock file
in the same directory as the mail file you are locking. This means
having write access to /var/spool/mail.  Currently in debian (if
memory serves) only root and mail have write permission to this
directory.

If this is the problem, one fix (albeit one that causes an
arguable security risk) is to do a:

chmod o+w /var/spool/mail


Hope this helps!

Behan

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Can someone help me to install Debian on a portable (PCMCIA, no CDROM)?

Is there a "how to install with PCMCIA mini-FAQ" that I missed?

I've got as far as working out that the default kernel is compiled with
PCMCIA support, that there exists a pcmcia-cs*.deb package, but the boot
time network configure fails as there is no PCMCIA module loaded, nor
does it seem to come with base.  I could install base, copy over the
pcmcia-cs*.deb package on floppy and I assume use dkpg to install it -
only the man page for dkpg says use dselect and dselect want to install
the lot.  Any pointers, I can't be alone with this problem?

[ for background, I run six Linux boxes, two of the desktop boxes now
  run Debian, the other will soon, and the other three machines are
  portables so I need to know how to do this right.]


Tony Robinson


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  Algirdas> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction
  Algirdas> on creating deb packages?  

  Vadik>  Please post it to the list, 

New version of dpkg (<< 1.4.0) or dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.0) come with two html'ed
manuals in /usr/doc/dpkg/{programmer,policy}.html/ that pretty much cover it
all. 

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In message <m0v0xHR-0007ujC@mongo.pixar.com> you write:
|Did you see any error messages on the floppy I/O?

No.  It seems to work without a problem at all times.  There
are no messages from the floppy drive even when the installation
fails - the base diskettes allways finish being read and fail only
when they are gzip'ed.

Thanks,

--Amos

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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 David_Oswald@prenhall.com wrote:

>      Hello all.
>      
>      I would like to install gimp.
>      
>      Pardon my ignorance ...
>      I see that there are two versions.
>      
>      gimp-dmotif (dynamic)
>      vs.
>      gimp-smotif (static)

The Static version contains all the motif calls in it,

The Dynamic version needs motif shared libraries.

>      
>      I am using a standard debian install with X, tcp/ip ...
>      
>      I would like to know :
>      
>         q1 - how do I know if I can use the static version?

		Yes.
>      
>         q2 - given a choice between both, what version would be "better or
>              faster ...". Are there any pros and/or cons to choosing one or 
>              the other when both are valid options for a given machine 
>      (i.e..         speed vs. size ... )?

The dynamic version would be better if you are willing to pay $50-100 for 
motif 

>      
>      Thanx in advance ...
>      
>      Keep up the good work - it is greatly appreciated.
> 
> 


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  Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
  Sven Rudolph, sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de
  $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.22 1996/09/12 22:26:04 sr1 Exp sr1 $

  1.  General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian GNU/Linux

  Please read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ (
  ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/FAQ/debian-faq.html ).

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  This document is intended to identify areas that need your
  contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
  often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

  1.3.	Feedback

  Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
  Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de.  Please mention to which version of
  this document your comments refer.

  2.  Packages needing a new maintainer

  If you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package, send
  me an e-mail.

  If you believe that the following list is incomplete, i.e., that there
  are other packages in the Debian distribution that need a new
  maintainer, send me an e-mail.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, send me
  an e-mail.

  Andrew D. Fernandes adfernan@cnd.mcgill.ca :
  o  acs

  DJ Gregor dgregor@gregor.com :
  o  biff
  o  cdtool
  o  unclutter
  o  workbone
  o  xwpe

  Richard Kettlewell richard@greenend.org.uk :
  o  aout-svgalib
  o  svgalib1
  o  svgalib1-bin
  o  svgalib1-dev

  Christian Linhart chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at :
  o  statserial
  o  tgif
  o  xarchie

  Michael Meskes meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE :
  o  adjtimex
  o  fdutils
  o  hkgerman
  o  html2latex
  o  lyx
  o  metamail
  o  modules
  o  xautolock

  Dale Miller dale@csd.uwo.ca :
  o  lclint
  o  mailx

  Ian Murdock imurdock@debian.org :
  o  acm
  o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
  o  pmake

  Jim Robinson jimr@simons-rock.edu :
  o  pari

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  seyon

  Peter Tobias tobias@server.et-inf.fho-emden.de :
  o  wu-ftpd

  3.  Packages that someone is working on

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

  If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
  responsible person listed below.

  Chris Fearnley cjf@netaxs.com :
  o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
  o  and probably : xli, Tix, povray

  krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) :
  o  FreeLIP - large integer package
  o  GroupKit - development library for building realtime groupware apps
  o  LEE - Latent Energy Environments artificial life simulator
  o  rsaref - installer scripts for the RSAREF crypto library
  o  swarm - Objective-C based artificial life research tool
  o  premail - e-mail privacy package

  Richard Kaszeta kaszeta@me.umn.edu :
  o  xmotd

  Mike Wilson cmwilson@uncc.edu :
  o  mule

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  xbill
  o  LPRng

  "behan (b.) webster" behanw@bnr.ca
  o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)
  o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

  wendal@onyx.southwind.net:
  o  tkHTML

  Darren torin@daft.com :
  o  mew, giftool

  Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca :
  o  BBDB (for Emacs: Big Brother Data Base, a rolodex with hooks into
     VM, GNUS, and RMAIL)

  Michael Alan Dorman mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu :
  o  glimpsehttpd

  Warwick Harvey warwick@cs.mu.OZ.AU :
  o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
     strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

  Patrick.Weemeeuw@kulnet.KULeuven.ac.be :
  o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
     http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

  marcus@sysc.pdx.edu :
  o  CLISP

  David H. Silber dhs@firefly.com :
  o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
  o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
  o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
     uucp package.
  o  latex2html

  Hakan Ardo hakan@munin.ub2.lu.se :
  o  faces - visual list monitor

  Brian Sulcer bsulcer@gibson.com :
  o  vile (vi-like editor)
  o  rogue
  o  umoria

  Martin Schulze joey@infodrom.north.de :
  o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

  Michael Shields shields@crosslink.net :
  o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
  o  nntplink

  Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com :
  o  spice (circuit simulation package)
  o  gforth

  Billy Chow billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk :
  o  xbomb

  Alan Bain afrb2@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :
  o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

  Christophe Le Bars clebars@teaser.fr :
  o  Caml (A small, portable implementation of the ML language.)
  o  Objective Caml: Caml dialect extended with a complete class-based
     object system
  o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml

  Yves Arrouye arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> :
  o  ppd-gs (a set of PPD files for my Ghostscript drivers)
  o  btoa

  Erick Branderhorst branderh@debian.org :
  o  awk2c

  Jon Rabone 93jkr@eng.cam.ac.uk :
  o  SISCAD

  Christian Lynbech lynbech@daimi.aau.dk :
  o  ilisp (emacs interface to a number of lisp systems)
  o  calc  (emacs calculator package)
  o  hyperbole (emacs hypertext/info management system)
  o  oobr (emacs package for browsing OO programs)
  o  STk (Scheme Tk, a scheme interpreter with Tk support)

  Christian Hudon chrish@debian.org :
  o  qmail

  Tim Cutts tim@scalopus.bio.cam.ac.uk :
  o  exim (a mail transfer agent,
     ftp://cus.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programs/exim)

  Christian Schwarz schwarz@monet.m.isar.de :
  o  isdnutils (utility programs necessary for Isdn4Linux)
  o  metapost	(postscript generating lanuage similar to metafont)
  o  wavplay (WAV-Player for Linux)
  o  xblast (multiplayer X11 game)

  Joey Hess joey@kite.preferred.com :
  o  tracker

  Dermot Bradley bradley@mourne.gpl.net :
  o  Merit Radius
  o  Hylafax
  o  Umich LDAP
  o  Nocol (network admin/monitoring)

  4.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.

  If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.

  4.1.	Programming and development:

  o  UPS - the X-based debugger.  Probably not worth building until
     we've switched to ELF. (There are Linux-specific patches around.)
  o  checker
  o  Scheme->C
  o  SCM - Scheme interpreter which will soon be the basis of the GNU
     extension language.
  o  SLIB.
  o  CLISP - Common Lisp interpreter
  o  ECoLisp - a Common Lisp compiler that produces faster code but
     isn't as widely used as GCL
  o  CLiCC - Common Lisp compiler that generates stand-alone apps
     (rather large ones, though)
  o  Modula-3 (
     http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/modula-3/html/srcm3.html )
  o  CLX - Common Lisp Xlib implementation
  o  PCL - Portable Common Loops for GCL

  4.2.	USENET news software:

  o  strn.

  4.3.	Math packages:

  o  SC (the spreadsheet). (oleo is already available)
  o  SciLab
  o  Yorick
  o  MuPAD (computer algebra tool from University of Paderborn, Germany
     http://gauss-mb.uni-paderborn.de/ cube/ , please look at the
     license conditions.)
  o  calctool
  o  felt
  o  LAPACK and BLAS (numerical libraries,
     http://nils.wustl.edu/schiotz/lapack-linux.html )
  o  Cross-compilation environments for alpha, m68k, SPARC

  4.4.	Graphics:

  o  Kubota Graphics Corporation's now-PD 3-D visualization system,
     Dore'.

  4.5.	Misc Tools:

  o  binhex

  4.6.	Editors:

  o  NEdit ( http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html , requires Motif)
  o  jed (small emacs-like)

  4.7.	Games:

  o  rocks and diamonds
  o  xgalaga (space-invaders style game)
  o  xibc (backgammon)
  o  xevil
  o  xgammon

  4.8.	X11:

  o  Andrew
  o  plan (calender with many functions)
  o  grok (database with many functions)
  o  xidle
  o  xmcd (ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xmcd/xmcd-2.0.README)
  o  olvwm

  4.9.	Communication

  o  BBS (Bulletin Board System) Software

  4.10.	TeX

  o  tmview (svgalib DVI viewer) Kpathsea support should be added and
     the original author is already aware of this. Contact him first.

  4.11.	Networking

  o  other www servers (Spinner ( http://spinner.infovav.se/ ), WN (
     http://hopf.math.nwu.edu/docs/overview.html) )
  o  xinetd (replacement for inetd with many enhancements)
  o  ftptool

  4.12.	System Tools

  o  IBCS2 emulator

  4.13.	Text utilities

  o  HTML editors (tkHTML, asWedit, auc-html.el)
  o  mpage (GNU enscript is already available)
  o  texi2html

  5.  Programs that someone should write

  This section contains suggestions/wishes for programs. There is no
  known implementation of such a program for Linux.

  o  amspell (ms-dos) like spell checker, i.e. a spell checker what
     checks the complete text first, searching for alternatives (on the
     fly) and asking for user action at the very end of the checking
     process. This saves much time on low memory machines.

-- 
Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de> ; WWW : http://www.sax.de/~sr1/


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  Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
  Sven Rudolph, sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de
  $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.22 1996/09/12 22:26:04 sr1 Exp sr1 $

  1.  General Questions

  1.1.	What is Debian GNU/Linux

  Please read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ (
  ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/FAQ/debian-faq.html ).

  1.2.	Purpose of this document

  This document is intended to identify areas that need your
  contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
  often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

  1.3.	Feedback

  Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
  Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de.  Please mention to which version of
  this document your comments refer.

  2.  Packages needing a new maintainer

  If you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package, send
  me an e-mail.

  If you believe that the following list is incomplete, i.e., that there
  are other packages in the Debian distribution that need a new
  maintainer, send me an e-mail.

  If you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here, send me
  an e-mail.

  Andrew D. Fernandes adfernan@cnd.mcgill.ca :
  o  acs

  DJ Gregor dgregor@gregor.com :
  o  biff
  o  cdtool
  o  unclutter
  o  workbone
  o  xwpe

  Richard Kettlewell richard@greenend.org.uk :
  o  aout-svgalib
  o  svgalib1
  o  svgalib1-bin
  o  svgalib1-dev

  Christian Linhart chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at :
  o  statserial
  o  tgif
  o  xarchie

  Michael Meskes meskes@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE :
  o  adjtimex
  o  fdutils
  o  hkgerman
  o  html2latex
  o  lyx
  o  metamail
  o  modules
  o  xautolock

  Dale Miller dale@csd.uwo.ca :
  o  lclint
  o  mailx

  Ian Murdock imurdock@debian.org :
  o  acm
  o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
  o  pmake

  Jim Robinson jimr@simons-rock.edu :
  o  pari

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  seyon

  Peter Tobias tobias@server.et-inf.fho-emden.de :
  o  wu-ftpd

  3.  Packages that someone is working on

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

  If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
  responsible person listed below.

  Chris Fearnley cjf@netaxs.com :
  o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
  o  and probably : xli, Tix, povray

  krs@caos.aamu.edu (Karl R. Sackett) :
  o  FreeLIP - large integer package
  o  GroupKit - development library for building realtime groupware apps
  o  LEE - Latent Energy Environments artificial life simulator
  o  rsaref - installer scripts for the RSAREF crypto library
  o  swarm - Objective-C based artificial life research tool
  o  premail - e-mail privacy package

  Richard Kaszeta kaszeta@me.umn.edu :
  o  xmotd

  Mike Wilson cmwilson@uncc.edu :
  o  mule

  Sven Rudolph sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de :
  o  xbill
  o  LPRng

  "behan (b.) webster" behanw@bnr.ca
  o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)
  o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

  wendal@onyx.southwind.net:
  o  tkHTML

  Darren torin@daft.com :
  o  mew, giftool

  Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca :
  o  BBDB (for Emacs: Big Brother Data Base, a rolodex with hooks into
     VM, GNUS, and RMAIL)

  Michael Alan Dorman mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu :
  o  glimpsehttpd

  Warwick Harvey warwick@cs.mu.OZ.AU :
  o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
     strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

  Patrick.Weemeeuw@kulnet.KULeuven.ac.be :
  o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
     http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

  marcus@sysc.pdx.edu :
  o  CLISP

  David H. Silber dhs@firefly.com :
  o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
  o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
  o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
     uucp package.
  o  latex2html

  Hakan Ardo hakan@munin.ub2.lu.se :
  o  faces - visual list monitor

  Brian Sulcer bsulcer@gibson.com :
  o  vile (vi-like editor)
  o  rogue
  o  umoria

  Martin Schulze joey@infodrom.north.de :
  o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

  Michael Shields shields@crosslink.net :
  o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
  o  nntplink

  Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com :
  o  spice (circuit simulation package)
  o  gforth

  Billy Chow billy.chow@eng.ox.ac.uk :
  o  xbomb

  Alan Bain afrb2@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk :
  o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

  Christophe Le Bars clebars@teaser.fr :
  o  Caml (A small, portable implementation of the ML language.)
  o  Objective Caml: Caml dialect extended with a complete class-based
     object system
  o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml

  Yves Arrouye arrouye@marin.fdn.fr> :
  o  ppd-gs (a set of PPD files for my Ghostscript drivers)
  o  btoa

  Erick Branderhorst branderh@debian.org :
  o  awk2c

  Jon Rabone 93jkr@eng.cam.ac.uk :
  o  SISCAD

  Christian Lynbech lynbech@daimi.aau.dk :
  o  ilisp (emacs interface to a number of lisp systems)
  o  calc  (emacs calculator package)
  o  hyperbole (emacs hypertext/info management system)
  o  oobr (emacs package for browsing OO programs)
  o  STk (Scheme Tk, a scheme interpreter with Tk support)

  Christian Hudon chrish@debian.org :
  o  qmail

  Tim Cutts tim@scalopus.bio.cam.ac.uk :
  o  exim (a mail transfer agent,
     ftp://cus.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programs/exim)

  Christian Schwarz schwarz@monet.m.isar.de :
  o  isdnutils (utility programs necessary for Isdn4Linux)
  o  metapost	(postscript generating lanuage similar to metafont)
  o  wavplay (WAV-Player for Linux)
  o  xblast (multiplayer X11 game)

  Joey Hess joey@kite.preferred.com :
  o  tracker

  Dermot Bradley bradley@mourne.gpl.net :
  o  Merit Radius
  o  Hylafax
  o  Umich LDAP
  o  Nocol (network admin/monitoring)

  4.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian

  Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
  packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.

  If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.

  4.1.	Programming and development:

  o  UPS - the X-based debugger.  Probably not worth building until
     we've switched to ELF. (There are Linux-specific patches around.)
  o  checker
  o  Scheme->C
  o  SCM - Scheme interpreter which will soon be the basis of the GNU
     extension language.
  o  SLIB.
  o  CLISP - Common Lisp interpreter
  o  ECoLisp - a Common Lisp compiler that produces faster code but
     isn't as widely used as GCL
  o  CLiCC - Common Lisp compiler that generates stand-alone apps
     (rather large ones, though)
  o  Modula-3 (
     http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/modula-3/html/srcm3.html )
  o  CLX - Common Lisp Xlib implementation
  o  PCL - Portable Common Loops for GCL

  4.2.	USENET news software:

  o  strn.

  4.3.	Math packages:

  o  SC (the spreadsheet). (oleo is already available)
  o  SciLab
  o  Yorick
  o  MuPAD (computer algebra tool from University of Paderborn, Germany
     http://gauss-mb.uni-paderborn.de/ cube/ , please look at the
     license conditions.)
  o  calctool
  o  felt
  o  LAPACK and BLAS (numerical libraries,
     http://nils.wustl.edu/schiotz/lapack-linux.html )
  o  Cross-compilation environments for alpha, m68k, SPARC

  4.4.	Graphics:

  o  Kubota Graphics Corporation's now-PD 3-D visualization system,
     Dore'.

  4.5.	Misc Tools:

  o  binhex

  4.6.	Editors:

  o  NEdit ( http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html , requires Motif)
  o  jed (small emacs-like)

  4.7.	Games:

  o  rocks and diamonds
  o  xgalaga (space-invaders style game)
  o  xibc (backgammon)
  o  xevil
  o  xgammon

  4.8.	X11:

  o  Andrew
  o  plan (calender with many functions)
  o  grok (database with many functions)
  o  xidle
  o  xmcd (ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xmcd/xmcd-2.0.README)
  o  olvwm

  4.9.	Communication

  o  BBS (Bulletin Board System) Software

  4.10.	TeX

  o  tmview (svgalib DVI viewer) Kpathsea support should be added and
     the original author is already aware of this. Contact him first.

  4.11.	Networking

  o  other www servers (Spinner ( http://spinner.infovav.se/ ), WN (
     http://hopf.math.nwu.edu/docs/overview.html) )
  o  xinetd (replacement for inetd with many enhancements)
  o  ftptool

  4.12.	System Tools

  o  IBCS2 emulator

  4.13.	Text utilities

  o  HTML editors (tkHTML, asWedit, auc-html.el)
  o  mpage (GNU enscript is already available)
  o  texi2html

  5.  Programs that someone should write

  This section contains suggestions/wishes for programs. There is no
  known implementation of such a program for Linux.

  o  amspell (ms-dos) like spell checker, i.e. a spell checker what
     checks the complete text first, searching for alternatives (on the
     fly) and asking for user action at the very end of the checking
     process. This saves much time on low memory machines.

-- 
Sven Rudolph <sr1@inf.tu-dresden.de> ; WWW : http://www.sax.de/~sr1/


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sailer@sun10.sep.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer) writes:
> I'm running the unstable tree. If someone else can try '/sbin/clock -r'
> and let me know if it seg faults, I'd appreciate it. It does it on
> 2 systems here... :(

Yep... it segfaults for me too.

An `strace' looked like it was cribbing on a strange ioctl call, or
something like that.

- Hari

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It's happened a couple of times now that I've tried newer versions of packages
in hopes that they would fix some problem (I'm still experiencing frequent
system hangs :-( ), only to find that for some reason I needed to go back to
the earlier version.  It would really be nice to be able to use dselect to do
this, and seems like it should be easy to implement as a new keystroke
command.

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There was a major patch to the aic7xxx driver that was originally
applied to kernel 2.0.7.  The patch became part of the regular kernel
2.0.13.  I was having similar problems upgrading to the 2.0.0 kernel
until I sent mail to the aic7xxx maintainer and got pointed to the
patch.  He (Dan Eischen) said that the patch had fixed many bugs.

In order to do a complete install, you'll need a kernel that includes
this patch on your installation boot disk.  If you (or a kind
acquaintance) builds such a kernel, they need to have it support ramdisk,
and to use the rdev.sh script on it (also on the boot disk).  The
installation boot disk is in DOS format, so you can copy to/from it
with mcopy.  Also, the debian installation procedure will complain
that the modules directory is empty (on the boot disk), but this isn't
serious (if you aren't using modules).

Here's where I got the patch and 2.0.7 sources.  You might also just
get a regular kernel later than 2.0.13 and skip the patches:


	ftp.teleport.com:/pub/users/deang/Linux/aic7xxx/Experiment/
 
	Dan Eischen
	deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org

Good luck, and write if you need clarification.


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Marc Weeber wrote:

M.Weeber>Hello fellow debians,
M.Weeber>
M.Weeber>Last week, I moved over from slackware 3.0 to debian 1.1. What a 
M.Weeber>relief, really, except for one thing: my connection with the world. 
M.Weeber>Everything installed just fine, However, my mail really bothers me.
M.Weeber>
M.Weeber>Here, at my work I have to retrieve my mail from a novell server. I 
M.Weeber>can do this by `fetchpop' or `popclient'. This is all right, but when 
M.Weeber>I'm usingthe mailagent  Pine as an ordinary user, I only can read the 
M.Weeber>inbox file, but I cannot alter it: pine can't get the mailbox lock 
M.Weeber>from the incoming folder. However, as root I do not have a problem.
M.Weeber>
M.Weeber>Last night, I managed to work my way around the problem with 
M.Weeber>chmod-ding some directories and files. But at the xx-th startup, 
M.Weeber>Everything was ruined again. For deleting my mail, I  have to use W95 
M.Weeber>again (arghhh...)
M.Weeber>
M.Weeber>If someone can help me with this problem, I would be very, very 
M.Weeber>pleased.
sounds like u need to recompile pine , precompiled pine sometimes have this
problem.
hope it helps 
borik


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I installed debian 1.1.8 on another pc, using dpgk-ftp to
retrieve all necessary packages, from stable & unstable.
Firstly, I noticed that when installing a large number of
packages on the system, the unpacking of some of them fail,
complaining that some lib or another is missing. This has
already happened twice before, on two other machines.

Second, and for the first time, texbin postinst fails, 
complaining of missing man.fmt. I had to manually comment
out the postinst script.

Finally, elm, in this new installation, has no ispell option
in mailing menu, whereas on my other machines it does.

Help would be appreciated.

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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Algirdas Kunigelis wrote:

algikun>
algikun>Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
algikun>deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
algikun>how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
algikun>but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
algikun>Thanks.
if smbd have a better man/doc/howto then the one in /usr/doc , plz 
Cc: borik@isracom.co.il
thks alot
borik

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> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
> deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
> how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
> but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
> Thanks.

You also might be able to find this information using the new index of the
Debian web site.  Go to

	http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/advanced

and try the following query:

	build* debian package*

I'm sure other queries will find similar information.  (The stars (*), by
the way, are globbing characters and will match any suffix of those words.)
                                             
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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Brian C. White wrote:

bcwhite>> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
bcwhite>> deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
bcwhite>> how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
bcwhite>> but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
bcwhite>> Thanks.
bcwhite>
bcwhite>The best way I found was to grab an existing package (hello is a good one)
bcwhite>and learn how it does it.
i tryed to trace it via ps but with not much luck
the only thing i got from it is a general idea (gzip :)

Regards
borik

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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

>    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
>    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> 
>    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
>    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
>    install.
> 
> I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.

It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
be extremely bad.


Guy


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Mike Coleman wrote:

>    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
>    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> 
>    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
>    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
>    install.
> 
> I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.

It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
be extremely bad.


Guy


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> >    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
> >    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> >
> >    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
> >    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
> >    install.
> >
> > I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.
> 
> It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
> be extremely bad.

It is not the responsibility of either "dpkg-ftp" or "dftp" to handle
pre-depends in this case.  Since all of the relavent packages were passed
to "dpkg" at the same time, it is it's responsibility to ensure that
package unpacking and configuring happens in the correct order.
                                             
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> >    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
> >    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> >
> >    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
> >    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
> >    install.
> >
> > I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.
> 
> It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
> be extremely bad.

It is not the responsibility of either "dpkg-ftp" or "dftp" to handle
pre-depends in this case.  Since all of the relavent packages were passed
to "dpkg" at the same time, it is it's responsibility to ensure that
package unpacking and configuring happens in the correct order.
                                             
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> bcwhite>> Could someone please mail me a complete step-by-step instruction on creating
> bcwhite>> deb packages? The manual page is somewhat outdated... I actually figured out
> bcwhite>> how to do it simply using tar, gzip and ar (couldn't figure dpkg out),
> bcwhite>> but how do I make dpkg run some post-install shell script after unpacking it?
> bcwhite>> Thanks.
> bcwhite>
> bcwhite>The best way I found was to grab an existing package (hello is a good one)
> bcwhite>and learn how it does it.
>
> i tryed to trace it via ps but with not much luck
> the only thing i got from it is a general idea (gzip :)

You don't want to trace it.  If you read the "debian.rules" (or debian/rules)
file, you'll see how a package is built.  Basically, you create a directory
("debian-tmp") and create a directory structure just like that of the debian
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bcwhite>You don't want to trace it.  If you read the "debian.rules" (or debian/rules)
bcwhite>file, you'll see how a package is built.  Basically, you create a directory
bcwhite>("debian-tmp") and create a directory structure just like that of the debian
bcwhite>system and place your files in there.  One call to "dpkg" will then create
bcwhite>a package for you from that directory structure.
"one call to dpkg" ?
i am sorry , but i don't understand what u mean
prob the answer to my q is RTFM so plz flame me about it :-)
borik

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  Michael> How does one unsubscribe these lists?

$ echo unsubscribe | mail debian-user-request@lists.debian.org

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> bcwhite>You don't want to trace it.  If you read the "debian.rules" (or debian/rules)
> bcwhite>file, you'll see how a package is built.  Basically, you create a directory
> bcwhite>("debian-tmp") and create a directory structure just like that of the debian
> bcwhite>system and place your files in there.  One call to "dpkg" will then create
> bcwhite>a package for you from that directory structure.
>
> "one call to dpkg" ?
> i am sorry , but i don't understand what u mean
> prob the answer to my q is RTFM so plz flame me about it :-)

I think it's pretty obvious if you read the "debian/rules" file.  Here
is an example:

  binary: build
	-rm -rf debian-tmp
	mkdir -p debian-tmp debian-tmp/DEBIAN debian-tmp/usr/doc/$(package)/Examples
	dpkg-gencontrol -is -ip >debian-tmp/DEBIAN/control
	make install PREFIX=debian-tmp/usr
	cp debian/README debian-tmp/usr/doc/$(package)/Copyright
	cat COPYING >>debian-tmp/usr/doc/$(package)/Copyright
	cp examples/* debian-tmp/usr/doc/$(package)/Examples
	find debian-tmp \( -name "#*" -o -name "*~" \) -print | xargs rm -f
	chown -R root.root debian-tmp
	chmod -R go=rX debian-tmp
	dpkg --build debian-tmp
	dpkg-name -o -s .. debian-tmp.deb

Note how it creates a directory structure and then call "dpkg --build"
to make a debian package out of that directory structure.  The call to
"dpkg-name" then gives it the proper name.
                                             
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  Miro Torrielli writes:
  Miro>  I installed debian 1.1.8 on another pc, using dpgk-ftp to retrieve
  Miro> all necessary packages, from stable & unstable.  Firstly, I noticed
  Miro> that when installing a large number of packages on the system, the
  Miro> unpacking of some of them fail, complaining that some lib or another
  Miro> is missing. This has already happened twice before, on two other
  Miro> machines.

Il m'est impossible de voir ce que a echoue. Plus de detail?

  Miro> Second, and for the first time, texbin postinst fails, complaining of
  Miro> missing man.fmt. I had to manually comment out the postinst script.

C'est manfnt.mf. Install mfbasfnt-1.0-3 de "buzz-fixed" et ca ira. 

  Miro> Finally, elm, in this new installation, has no ispell option in
  Miro> mailing menu, whereas on my other machines it does.

Aucune idee, je n'utilise pas elm (mais emacs avec vm).

Amities, Dirk 

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Ed Donovan writes:
 > 
 > I don't have the file around anymore, but in the last debian-changes
 > announcement for xemacs, the maintainter noted that he had a problem
 > with the installation of info files that both emacs and xemacs provide.
 > He couldn't get xemacs to not overwrite the emacs-provided ones, and so
 > had to list the packages as conflicting for now, though he was very
 > unhappy about that.  I haven't downloaded the xemacs package, so I don't
 > know if this is mentioned anywhere within.
 > 
 > -- 
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I've installed the /source xemacs-19.14 recently under debian with
only one snag on network database support.  The only common area
shared between FSF emacs and xemacs (under default config) lies in
user specific lisp directories. The problem is that FSF has changed
(from time to time) it's byte-compiled format, and that there are
other uniquenesses in each elisp/emacs.  Xemacs does come with a very
nice sample.emacs, which gives good hints on how to split these shared
resources within the same structure.

For FSF emacs 19.28-34.

As someone who as been dragging people into Emacs since the dark ages
I highly recommend Xemacs for the unwashed.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 22:19 PDT
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I think we've slipped a month, maybe a bit more. Sorry. Blame me - I have been
busy moving into a new home (we get posession on Monday), etc.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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The documentation on how to make a Debian package is in the package
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/unstable/binary-i386/base/dpkg_1.3.14.deb .
(The package version number will soon change, and the package may split
into base/dpkg* and devel/dpkg-dev* in the near future.)

Install that package, and then you will find the directories:

	/usr/doc/dpkg/programmer.html
	/usr/doc/dpkg/policy.html

These contain HTML documents for the Debian Programmer's Manual, and the
Debian Policy Manual. Read them with any web browser.

There is also a prototype "hello world" package
that you should use as a skeleton for your own package.
You can find that in the three files:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/unstable/source/misc/hello_1.3-12.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/unstable/source/misc/hello_1.3.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/unstable/source/misc/hello_1.3-12.diff.gz

Put those in a directory and run "dpkg-source -x hello_1.3-12.dsc". That
will extract the tar and create the directories "hello_1.3" and
"hello_1.3.orig", and will use patch to apply the diff to the files
in "hello_1.3".

With those two manuals and the "hello" package source, you will have
everything you need to build a Debian package. I think you'll find it
quite easy.

If you are not running Debian and just want to look at the manuals,
you can get the file
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/dpkg_1.3.14_i386.nondebbin.tar.gz . That is a gzipped tar file containing all of the files of the
"dpkg" package for installation on non-Debian systems.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 22:41 PDT
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To: bmbuck@LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu (Buddha M Buck),
  Buddha M Buck <bmbuck@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU>
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I don't think we have a package with the "Logo" programming language.
It's a good teaching language, and there are a few free ones around,
I think. Such a package would be welcome.

Regarding the Debian Logotype: We still can't use the baby GNU - I'd
like to reserve that for FSF's own product. I've had one submitted to
me so far, a GIF of the words "Debian Linux" and the Earth from space.
Picky me, I wanted it changed to say "Debian GNU/Linux" and never heard
from the artist again.

So, GIFs of logotypes for "Debian GNU/Linux" would be welcome.  Don't
take time away from your work on Debian packages. Clever animations,
Java programs, etc. are welcome as well. You must be willing to sign
the copyright, trademark, all rights, over to Software in the Public
Interest (Debian's parent organization). The logotype will probably
_not_ be GPL-ed - we probably want to put some restrictions on its use.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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From: roman@songdog.eskimo.com (Bill Roman)
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In-Reply-To: <c=GB%a=_%p=Sherwood_Compute%l=QUEDGELEY2-960912120008Z-1661@romford2.sherwood.co.uk> from "Casper BodenCummins" at Sep 12, 96 01:00:08 pm
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Casper BodenCummins wrote:
> 
> Lazaro Salem <salem@rf.no> wrote:
> 
> >The -print flag is not really needed as is executed by default.
> 
> This isn't true of all systems. If you want portability, include the
> -print.

I believe that POSIX.2 mandates -print as the default.  Can someone who
has the spec confirm this?

-- 
Bill Roman  (roman@songdog.eskimo.com / roman@songdog.uucp)   running linux


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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Christian Schwarz wrote:

> Is there an official Debian Logo? I haven't found one.
> 
> If not, we could start a Logo contest, just as the Linux Logo Contest. I'm
> just an administrator and not an artist, but perhaps we have some on this
> list!
> 
> An logo would be nice for disk labels, CD covers, www.debian.org, etc.

That's a great idea!  With the quality of the Debian product, I'd be 
including it on my web site as well to let everyone know what OS I'm 
quite happy to be using....

Kevin Traas
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From: ronald@and.nl (Ronald van Loon)
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|"sailer@sun10.sep.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer) writes:
|"> I'm running the unstable tree. If someone else can try '/sbin/clock -r'
|"> and let me know if it seg faults, I'd appreciate it. It does it on
|"> 2 systems here... :(
|"
|"Yep... it segfaults for me too.
|"
|"An `strace' looked like it was cribbing on a strange ioctl call, or
|"something like that.

This problem goes away when you recompile your kernel *without* extended
Real Time Clock support.

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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|">    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
|">    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
|"> 
|">    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
|">    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
|">    install.
|"> 
|"> I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.
|"
|"It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
|"be extremely bad.

Hmmm, I installed my entire system with the 5 disks and dpkg-ftp (1.1.4) and
had no problems whatsoever.

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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|">    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
|">    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
|"> 
|">    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
|">    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
|">    install.
|"> 
|"> I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.
|"
|"It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
|"be extremely bad.

Hmmm, I installed my entire system with the 5 disks and dpkg-ftp (1.1.4) and
had no problems whatsoever.

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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John
The next copy of Linux world has a copy of Deb 1.1 on the 
cover (and Quake ... whatever that is !).  You can contect 
them via
http://www.eurodream.com
or 0171 7716170
I'm not a subscriber (yet).
Hope this helps
David

P.S Judging by your e-mail address you're situated pretty 
close to me !

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:35:16 +0100 (BST) 
J.Olwoch@reading.ac.uk wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Can anyone tell me if there is a UK source of Debian CDROMS ?
> I would be most grateful for any info.
> 
> John Olwoch
> 

______________
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Hi,

I just installed Debian 1.1 on a system with a PS/2
Mouse. Unfortunately I'm missing
/lib/modules/2.0.0/misc/psaux.o. There is a descriptive file in
/usr/lib/module-help/modules/psaux. Additionally I took
kernel-image-2.0.0-0.deb and kernel-image-2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb. But there is
no psaux.o in this packages - so I can't use my mouse :-(

Maybe it has been asked before - but I have been away for months.

Any hints ?

Gerd


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Dirk.Eddelbuettel writes:
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  Miro Torrielli writes:
  Miro>  I installed debian 1.1.8 on another pc, using dpgk-ftp to
retrieve
  Miro> all necessary packages, from stable & unstable.  Firstly, I
noticed
  Miro> that when installing a large number of packages on the system,
the
  Miro> unpacking of some of them fail, complaining that some lib or
another
  Miro> is missing. This has already happened twice before, on two other
  Miro> machines.

Il m'est impossible de voir ce que a echoue. Plus de detail?

  Miro> Second, and for the first time, texbin postinst fails,
complaining of
  Miro> missing man.fmt. I had to manually comment out the postinst
script.

C'est manfnt.mf. Install mfbasfnt-1.0-3 de "buzz-fixed" et ca ira. 

  Miro> Finally, elm, in this new installation, has no ispell option in
  Miro> mailing menu, whereas on my other machines it does.

Aucune idee, je n'utilise pas elm (mais emacs avec vm).

Amities, Dirk 

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I wonder if you might possibly translate that for the rest of us.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Here is the first release of the blt extensions for tk/tcl.
I decided to call the package tk-blt, as there is another public domain
package called blt which does something completely different! I did not
make two packages for this one, as the difference between a user and a
developer version would have been less than a KByte of disk space.

I have uploaded it to chiark, so with luck it will be with you in a few
days. BTW, I have never produced a package with so many files and directories,
so don't be too hard on me if you find some mistakes. Enjoy...

Gordon.
---------------------------------------------------------

Package: tk-blt
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Maintainer: Gordon Russell <g.russell@dcs.napier.ac.uk>
Version: =V-=D
Depends: tk41 (>= 4.1-1), tcl75 (>= 7.5-1)
Architecture: =A
Description: Useful additions and extensions to Tk
 BLT is an extension to the Tk tolkit, adding new widgets, geometry
 managers, and miscellaneous commands. It does not require any patching of
 the Tcl or Tk source files.
 .
 It adds a table manager, an X-Y graph widget, a barchart widget,
 a vector construct, spline fitting, busy windows, an enhanced exec,
 drag-n-drop, hypertext, bitmap control, Xlib interface, and some
 tcl debugging extensions.

-rw-r--r--   1 root     staff       11886 Sep 13 10:15 tk-blt-2.1-1.diff.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     staff     1073174 Sep 13 10:15 tk-blt-2.1-1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root      1185524 Sep 13 10:14 tk-blt_2.1-1_i386.deb


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I would like to set up a mail-to-fax gateway of some sort, so users would be 
able to get a mail addressed to something like 'faxnumber@fax' send out to a 
fax machine at that number.
My system is running both the sendmail and mgetty+sendfax packages.
I have noticed that in the original mgetty package (0.98) there is a script 
called:

        faxgate.pl

which, according to the documentation does that sort of thing on a SCO 
machine. I quick look at this learned that this is not likely to run 
straight away on a Debian box...
Now I was wandering if anyone out here ever attempted to hack that, or found 
some other means of accomplishing the same functionality?

Any pointers much appreciated!

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[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

>                                  I could install base, copy over the
> pcmcia-cs*.deb package on floppy and I assume use dkpg to install it -
> only the man page for dkpg says use dselect and dselect want to install
> the lot.  Any pointers, I can't be alone with this problem?

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> Tony Robinson

I don't know anything about PCMCIA, but I know that if you know what you're
doing (like checking dependencies and such) using dpkg is ok - dselect is
there to help you check dependencies and to display what packages there are.
So I'd say go ahead and use dpkg to install the package.


Helpful?

						MartinS


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Package: tk-blt

Woops, I just found it in unstable as "blt". Please ignore my last
posting.

Gordon


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Gerd Bavendiek wrote:

>I just installed Debian 1.1 on a system with a PS/2
>Mouse. Unfortunately I'm missing
>/lib/modules/2.0.0/misc/psaux.o. There is a descriptive file in
>/usr/lib/module-help/modules/psaux. Additionally I took
>kernel-image-2.0.0-0.deb and kernel-image-2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb. But there is
>no psaux.o in this packages - so I can't use my mouse :-(
>
>Maybe it has been asked before - but I have been away for months.
>
>Any hints ?

I had this problem some time ago, but I thought the kernel image has
been updated to include this. Did you use an old package or download a
new one? If it's old you'll have to recompile the kernel with explicit
support.

BTW, if you look in the archives, you should find _tons_ on this topic.
:-)

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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  Casper> I wonder if you might possibly translate that for the rest of us.

My excuses! That mail was not meant to also go to the list.

"texbin" fails to configure because version mfbasfnt-1.0-5 is missing the
file manfnt.mf (a special font for something in Knuth's book). Downgrading to
mfbasfnt-1.0-3 from "buzz-fixed" overcomes the problem.

--
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On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> The documentation on how to make a Debian package is in the package
> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/unstable/binary-i386/base/dpkg_1.3.14.deb .

The documentation is also available in ps and html in
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/{policy,programmer}.{html.tar,ps}.gz


Guy


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> I think we've slipped a month, maybe a bit more. Sorry. Blame me - I have been
> busy moving into a new home (we get posession on Monday), etc.

I see a dangerous precedent here -- putting one's personal life ahead of
Debian.  And I notice you wrote "we".  Relationships tend to sap and impurify
all of our precious bodily fluids, which are essential to the generation of
good code.

:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)



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Good day folks,

I've been runnning into a problem with lynx and download of files.

In an ftp-listing I try to download two files

(a)	x.tar.gz
and
(b)	x.deb

Case (a) works without any problem, but the downloaded file (b) isn't
usable.  I then took look at the ftpserver and found out that (a) was
fetched in binary mode, but for (b) an ascii connection was used.

Before downloading lynx shows the following (not exactly)

(a)	Content-type: application/GNU Compr. Tar

(b)	Content-type: text/plain

The question now is, who tells lynx to identify these files?


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As Christoph Lameter wrote:

> To: submit-linux-debian-user@ratatosk.yggdrasil.com
> From: clameter@miriam.fuller.edu (Christoph Lameter)
> Subject: Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection
> Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:12:22 -0700
> Organization: Fuller Theological Seminary, Pasadena, CA 91182
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> 
> David L. Craig (dlc@g1.com) wrote:
> : I was very unhappy to see this nice explanation ignore the
> : perils of IP routing between the ISP and internal networks.
> : Does anyone suppose its original source could be located so
> : at least a paragraph could be inserted warning of the danger
> : and recommending the user hook up with his network
> : administrator to ensure he doesn't inadvertantly create a
> : backdoor into his organization?
> 
> I am not aware that this could happen. There is no IP
> routing going on at all.  Most ISPs (like us) block all
> routing information sent from the PPP link.

I guess I wasn't clear.  I wasn't refering to routing
protocols as much as the ability of packets to be
source-routed through the system.  My point was this type of
document should include enough information, probably one
paragraph including a pointer to detailed info, that alerts
the reader to these security issues.  It is not the job of
the ISPs to educate their customers about risks of being an
Internet host, and the network admin on the LAN side of this
path may not be aware the node is running a SLIP or PPP link
to an ISP.


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Hiho,

Seems that I have found what I was looking for. Lynx reads
/etc/mime.types and the file from 1.1 didn't contain an entry for
*.deb files. The mime-support package from the unstable tree does.

Sorry for disturbing,

	Joey

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I am encountering an error formatting large partitions (2.8 gb). 
Equipment is a pentium 100, Adaptec 1542CF, DEC DSP5300.

The drive partitions just fine, then when the debian install program 
tries to read past around 2.1 gb I receive a message "badblocks: Cant 
resolve symbol llseek".

Also, I receive this message when past this point and writing the 
inode tables, "256/350 mkfs.ext2: Can't resolve symbol llseek"

Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? 

Thanks for any help,

Mike Bigus
mikeb@manressa.com


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	Hi!

 I finally moved from RH(2.1) to Debian(1.1.4) and I have to admit that this
looks promising! Just learned the first steps using dselect; hopefully
I learn to ftp the latest version of Debian with it someday!

 Jep, I also run into three problems. First, I am only able to boot with
a floppy. I installed lilo on the mbr of /dev/hda during the installation
but when I reboot the machine says

 Starting Dynamic Drive Overlay
 Press spacebar to boot from diskette...
 ERROR: Incompatible BIOS Translation Detected.
 Refer to your Ontrack documentation for more information.
 Insert boot ...

It seems to be a hardware problem. Or?

 2. In the Debian installation I tried to include the nfs-module into the
kernel. It did not succeed, but gave the following (I reproduced this
with modprobe)

 Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.6) don't match your linux-2.0.6

(the whole message is in http://www.helsinki.fi/~msuonio/nfs_error.txt).
I will compile the kernel as soon as I get more familiar with the
Debian-style kernel compilation. But it would be nice to get nfs running
right now.

 3. I am not able to run XFree. I'm using the Mach64-server with a
XF86Config that worked with RH 2.1. I just get (startx)

PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file  Roman_M
Fatal server error:
Cannot open mouse (No such device)

TRANS(SocketUNIXConnect) () can't connect: errno = 111
giving up.
xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111):  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.

The mouse error is due to ps2-style mouse, which is not in the kernel.
I haven't tested another xserver yet, so it still possible that mach64
is the problem (with Xfree 3.1.2). Sometimes I got something running,
because the screen went blank with flickering, and I had to reboot.
(That might be a genuine mach problem.) But usually the above text
appeared. I reinstalled the x11 packages, but it did not seem to help.

 I tried to search these from docs, debian-user archives, newsgroups,
ChangeLog of Debian 1.1.8, and Debian FAQ (new one), but I didn't find
anything. Could someone help me on this?


-- 
	Mikko
		http://www.helsinki.fi/~msuonio


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Gordon Russell writes:
> I decided to call the package tk-blt, as there is another public domain
> package called blt which does something completely different! I did not
> make two packages for this one, as the difference between a user and a
> developer version would have been less than a KByte of disk space.

Even though you've withdrawn your package, there is one thing that
needs clarification.  The reason for providing separate run-time and
development packages is not to save disk space.  The reason is so that
multiple, possibly incompatible (at the API/ABI level), versions of a
package can be installed simultaneously.  Take a look at how this is
done in the tcl74 and tcl75 packages.

David
-- 
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david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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Gordon Russell writes:
> I decided to call the package tk-blt, as there is another public domain
> package called blt which does something completely different! I did not
> make two packages for this one, as the difference between a user and a
> developer version would have been less than a KByte of disk space.

Even though you've withdrawn your package, there is one thing that
needs clarification.  The reason for providing separate run-time and
development packages is not to save disk space.  The reason is so that
multiple, possibly incompatible (at the API/ABI level), versions of a
package can be installed simultaneously.  Take a look at how this is
done in the tcl74 and tcl75 packages.

David
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david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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J.H.M.Dassen wrote:

> > Is there an official Debian Logo? I haven't found one.
 
> There was one: a "baby-gnu". It was decided to drop it following the
> troubles with the FSF (the "lignux" stuff).
> 
> I still have copies:
> http://www.debian.org/attic/debian-small.gif
> http://www.debian.org/attic/debian.gif

Looks neat :-) However, I thought the Gnu/Debian conflict was
resolved with the decision to call Debian "Debian GNU/Linux",
or am I completely misunderstanding the facts?

Ciao,
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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, David L. Craig wrote:

dlc>> I am not aware that this could happen. There is no IP
dlc>> routing going on at all.  Most ISPs (like us) block all
dlc>> routing information sent from the PPP link.
dlc>
dlc>I guess I wasn't clear.  I wasn't refering to routing
dlc>protocols as much as the ability of packets to be
dlc>source-routed through the system.  My point was this type of
Per default source routing under Linux is disabled. I still dont
know what the security issue is you are referring to?

dlc>document should include enough information, probably one
dlc>paragraph including a pointer to detailed info, that alerts
dlc>the reader to these security issues.  It is not the job of
dlc>the ISPs to educate their customers about risks of being an
dlc>Internet host, and the network admin on the LAN side of this
dlc>path may not be aware the node is running a SLIP or PPP link
dlc>to an ISP.
dlc>

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>>>>> Tony Robinson writes:


    Tony> Can someone help me to install Debian on a portable (PCMCIA,
    Tony> no CDROM)?  Is there a "how to install with PCMCIA mini-FAQ"
    Tony> that I missed?

    Tony> I've got as far as working out that the default kernel is
    Tony> compiled with PCMCIA support, that there exists a
    Tony> pcmcia-cs*.deb package, but the boot time network configure
    Tony> fails as there is no PCMCIA module loaded, nor does it seem
    Tony> to come with base.  I could install base, copy over the
    Tony> pcmcia-cs*.deb package on floppy and I assume use dkpg to
    Tony> install it - only the man page for dkpg says use dselect and
    Tony> dselect want to install the lot.  Any pointers, I can't be
    Tony> alone with this problem?

When I updated the PCMCIA package to conform to the new source
packaging format, I changed (and hopefully improved) its structure.
Currently, the following pcmcia packages are available in the unstable
tree (i.e., in the unstable/binary-i386/admin/ directory on
distribution sites):

pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2_i386.deb
	contains everything but the kernel modules
pcmcia-modules-2.0.6_2.8.21-2_i386.deb
	contains the kernel modules compiled for kernel version 2.0.6
pcmcia-source_2.8.21-2_i386.deb
	contains the sources so that you can compile your own modules

Version 2.8.22-1 of the PCMCIA package is on the way; it is in the
Incoming directory and ready to be processed.

To get a computer with PCMCIA up and running, first ensure that its
kernel is version 2.0.6.  If it is not, get the
kernel-image-2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb file (available in the
unstable/binary-i386/base/ directory) and install it with dpkg:

    $ dpkg -i kernel-image-2.0.6_2.0.6-0.deb

Next, get the pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2_i386.deb and
pcmcia-modules-2.0.6_2.8.21-2_i386.deb files (available in the
unstable/binary-i386/admin/ directory) and install them with dpkg:

    $ dpkg -i pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2_i386.deb \
        pcmcia-modules-2.0.6_2.8.21-2_i386.deb

Depending on which PCMCIA cards will be used and what type of PCMCIA
controller the computer has, it might be necessary to edit either the
/etc/pcmcia.conf file or the files in the /etc/pcmcia/ directory.  See
the PCMCIA-HOWTO, which can be found in the /usr/doc/HOWTO directory
of most Debian systems.

Note that the pcmcia-modules-2.0.6 package depends on the pcmcia-cs
package, so either pcmcia-cs should be installed first or both
packages should be installed at the same time.

If you don't use the default Debian kernel (I'm currently running
version 2.0.19 of the kernel), you can still use the pcmcia-cs
package, but you will need to generate your own pcmcia-modules-<kernel
version> package.  Here is the procedure:

1) Get either the pcmcia-source package (from
unstable/binary-i386/admin/) or the source for the pcmcia-cs package
which consists of three files (which can be found in
unstable/source/admin/):

    pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2.dsc
    pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2.diff
    pcmcia-cs_2.8.21.orig.tar.gz

Installing the pcmcia-source package (with `dpkg -i
pcmcia-source_2.8.21-2_i386.deb'), places the source in the
/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/ directory of your system.  The three
source files can be unpacked using the dpkg-source script available in
the latest version of the dpkg-dev package.  For example,

    $ dpkg-source -x pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2.dsc

will unpack the source into the pcmcia-cs-2.8.21 subdirectory.  See
the man page for dpkg-source for more information on how the new
source format works.

2) Place the kernel source in the /usr/src/linux directory.  The
kernel source should be fully configured; for example, do a `make
config' and a `make dep'.

3) In the source directory (either /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/ or
pcmcia-cs-2.8.21/), type

    $ debian/rules clean binary-modules

If the kernel source is located in a directory other than
/usr/src/linux, you can type

    $ debian/rules KSRC=<kernel source directory> clean binary-modules

where <kernel source directory> is the location of the kernel's
source.  This will create the pcmcia-modules-<kernel version>
package's deb file in the parent directory.

For example, suppose that version 2.0.7 of the kernel's source is
located in the /usr/src/kernel-2.0.7 directory and that I have
downloaded pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2_i386.deb and
pcmcia-source_2.8.21-2_i386.deb into the current directory.  Here is
how I would install the PCMCIA utilities for my custom compiled
kernel:

  $ dpkg -i pcmcia-cs_2.8.21-2_i386.deb pcmcia-source_2.8.21-2_i386.deb
  $ cd /usr/src/kernel-2.0.7
  $ make config dep
    [ Answer questions about the kernel's configuration ]
  $ cd /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs
  $ debian/rules KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-2.0.7 clean binary-modules
  $ cd ..
  $ dpkg -i pcmcia-modules-2.0.7_2.8.21-2_i386.deb

If anything is unclear, send me a message.

--
Brian Mays


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Has /sbin/clock stopped working properly?  On at least 3 of the
machines  I manage "clock -w" is corrupting the cmos clock, and
"clock -r" just hangs.

Am I going crazy, or am I ignoring some fundamental change in
using /sbin/clock that occurred recently?

Behan Webster

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> C'est manfnt.mf. Install mfbasfnt-1.0-3 de "buzz-fixed" et ca ira. 
> 
> Amities, Dirk 
> 
> --
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
> 
> 

Merci! Ca marche maintenant.

Translation: Thanks, now it works :-)

-->> Debian Linux, the choice of a GNU generation! <<--


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To: clameter@waterf.org (Christoph Lameter)
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As Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:19:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@waterf.org>
> To: "David L. Craig" <dlc@g1.com>
> cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection
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> 
> On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, David L. Craig wrote:
> 
> dlc> I guess I wasn't clear.  I wasn't refering to routing
> dlc> protocols as much as the ability of packets to be
> dlc> source-routed through the system.

> Per default source routing under Linux is disabled. I
> still dont know what the security issue is you are
> referring to?

Are you certain all distributions, past and present,
disable source routing by default?  I was under the
impression that some of the earlier ones did not.


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ronald@and.nl (Ronald van Loon) writes:

> This problem goes away when you recompile your kernel *without* extended
> Real Time Clock support.
> 
> Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)

Actually I believe that on the Dell portable we have here, it still
segfaults, even without RTC support.  If we back off to an older
version of util-linux, the problem goes away.

--
Rob


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Martin Stromberg wrote:

>[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]
>
>> 
>> BTW, if you look in the archives, you should find _tons_ on this topic.
>> :-)
>> 
>> Casper Boden-Cummins.
>> 
>> 
>
>So where are the recent archives you're talking about, or are you joking
>(the smiley)?
>
>And before you say "http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/", I suggest that
>you first look there. The last entry in debian-user seems to be dated Jun 24.

Right, yes. While the archives go back some way, on checking it seems
that the thread I was referring to has yet to be archived. (There is
some discussion on the topic in debian-user-9505.) The smiley was
referring to the sheer length and breadth of discussion (read:
occasional irrelevance) of the thread.

>This is not a flame, just providing some information,

Hm, fine. I have fire-retardant skin anyway.

>PS If this reaches you then your reply address should be bodec@sherwood.co.uk
>not bodec@Sherwood.co.uk.

Well, actually it doesn't matter because SMTP doesn't recognise case as
special. The arbitrary capitalisation is merely the irritating
preferences of our mail administrator.

Hope you resolve the problem.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Martin Schulze wrote:

> Good day folks,

Ex Equo :-)

> Before downloading lynx shows the following (not exactly)
> 
> (a)	Content-type: application/GNU Compr. Tar
> 
> (b)	Content-type: text/plain
> 
> The question now is, who tells lynx to identify these files?
> 

It's normal - look at lynx.cfg file and modify it - it should contain lot 
of lines with first word SUFFIX (it tels how to transfer different filetypes)
an add lines like:

SUFFIX:.deb:application/octet-stream
SUFFIX:.tgz:application/octet-stream

I think that in Debian version of Lynx file lynx.cfg should at least contain 
first line!!! 


Leszek Gerwatowski
bigl@tg.com.pl


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This is being handled by the 'mime.types' file.  I don't really know
enough about it, but I'll take a shot in hopes that it will help.

The remote server has a mime.types file that tells it what
Content-type: line to write out.  You should be able to fix the problem
by getting the site maintainer to add the 'deb' extension to the
'application/octet-stream' line.

It might also work to add 'deb' to the 'application/octet-stream' of
the mime.types file that Lynx is using at your end.  I'm not sure if
this will work, but it's worth a try.

Good luck!

Chris -)-----

On Sep 13,  1:26pm, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Subject: Lynx and binary files
: Good day folks,
:
: I've been runnning into a problem with lynx and download of files.
:
: In an ftp-listing I try to download two files
:
: (a)	x.tar.gz
: and
: (b)	x.deb
:
: Case (a) works without any problem, but the downloaded file (b) isn't
: usable.  I then took look at the ftpserver and found out that (a) was
: fetched in binary mode, but for (b) an ascii connection was used.
:
: Before downloading lynx shows the following (not exactly)
:
: (a)	Content-type: application/GNU Compr. Tar
:
: (b)	Content-type: text/plain
:
: The question now is, who tells lynx to identify these files?
>-- End of excerpt from Martin Schulze



-- 
Christopher R. Hertel -)-----                   University of Minnesota
crh@nts.umn.edu              Networking and Telecommunications Services


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Hello Debians,

I compiled the kernel with the necessary requirements for DOSEMU. I
installed the debian package and just entered `dos' at the prompt. Result:

dos: can't find library 'libX11.so.6'

Well, I do have the library, what went wrong and how can I adjust DOSEMU?

thanks in advance,

Marc
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Where should I look for a stable kernal? I have to make a new kernal so that
my Xwindows will work. (My mouse pad on the laptop freezes the keyboard). Is
there a Debian packaged kernal that will guide me through it or do have
kernal*.tar.gz from and make it myself? My gcc is working great and I just
installed the make.deb and I have some documents but they do not talk about
*.deb files. 

Any suggestions out there.

Thanks


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When I go for my packages to install should I look in buzz, buxx-fixed, or rex.

Which way do I go, Which way do I go.:-)

thanks


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   From: ronald@and.nl (Ronald van Loon)
   Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:53:42 +0200 (MET DST)

   |">    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
   |">    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
   |"> 
   |">    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
   |">    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
   |">    install.
   |"> 
   |"> I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.
   |"
   |"It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
   |"be extremely bad.

   Hmmm, I installed my entire system with the 5 disks and dpkg-ftp (1.1.4) and
   had no problems whatsoever.

My initial installation went fine.  But at some point dselect decided to pull
down more recent version of (I believe) libc5 and ld.so and dpkg.  That was
when the problems occurred.

--Mike


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   From: ronald@and.nl (Ronald van Loon)
   Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:53:42 +0200 (MET DST)

   |">    Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
   |">    From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
   |"> 
   |">    Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
   |">    "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
   |">    install.
   |"> 
   |"> I believe this just happened to me with dpkg-ftp as well.
   |"
   |"It sounds like dpkg-ftp and dftp don't respect pre-depends?  That would
   |"be extremely bad.

   Hmmm, I installed my entire system with the 5 disks and dpkg-ftp (1.1.4) and
   had no problems whatsoever.

My initial installation went fine.  But at some point dselect decided to pull
down more recent version of (I believe) libc5 and ld.so and dpkg.  That was
when the problems occurred.

--Mike


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doesn't wu-ftpd use builtin code for simple ls?


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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
> From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> 
> Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
> "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
> install.

Am I right in assuming that this is an upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 ?
I can't think of another reason that libc5 would not be installed.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
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> 
> Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
> "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
> install.

Am I right in assuming that this is an upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 ?
I can't think of another reason that libc5 would not be installed.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Sven Rudolph wrote:
>   2.  Packages needing a new maintainer
>   Richard Kettlewell richard@greenend.org.uk :
>   o  aout-svgalib
>   o  svgalib1
>   o  svgalib1-bin
>   o  svgalib1-dev

I need a newer varsion of svgalib for a program (XaoS) I want to package
up for debian. Is this package orphaned? Is anyone else planning on
taking over maintaining it? I don't really want to take on such an
important package myself (too new at this).


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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Sven Rudolph wrote:
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>   Richard Kettlewell richard@greenend.org.uk :
>   o  aout-svgalib
>   o  svgalib1
>   o  svgalib1-bin
>   o  svgalib1-dev

I need a newer varsion of svgalib for a program (XaoS) I want to package
up for debian. Is this package orphaned? Is anyone else planning on
taking over maintaining it? I don't really want to take on such an
important package myself (too new at this).


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From: Mikko Suonio <msuonio@cc.helsinki.fi>
> Starting Dynamic Drive Overlay
> Press spacebar to boot from diskette...
> ERROR: Incompatible BIOS Translation Detected.
> Refer to your Ontrack documentation for more information.
> Insert boot ...
>
> It seems to be a hardware problem. Or?

You are using Ontrack Disk Manager on your hard disk. This isn't going
to work well with Linux. If you don't have anything _but_ Linux on that
hard drive, I suggest you purge Disk Manager from the drive. If this is
the "C:" drive on the computer, you can probably purge it by saying "y"
to the "install master boot record" question when you install the LILO
package.

Otherwise, just boot Linux from a floppy.

Regarding the NFS problem, please build a custom kernel for your system.

 3. I am not able to run XFree. I'm using the Mach64-server with a
XF86Config that worked with RH 2.1. I just get (startx)

PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file  Roman_M
Fatal server error:
Cannot open mouse (No such device)

The ps/2 mouse driver is in the "psaux" module.

	Bruce


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> Logo.  (And before people complain that Logo is too frivolous a language
> to have in the distribution, remember we have an Intercal package already.)

If there's a decent unix logo out there, point me at it and I'll take
a look...
					_Mark_
					maintainer of frivolous languages :-)


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Is there a good reason why all the start stop functions in /etc/init.d =
are executable by anybody by default. It seems to me that this allows =
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Mark Eichin wrote:
> 
> doesn't wu-ftpd use builtin code for simple ls?

I don't know but I haven't installed wu-ftpd myself, only the standard
ftpd that comes with the netstd package. Maybe the solution to my
problem is just to install this package.

Pedro Ivan
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> > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
> > From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> >
> > Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
> > "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
> > install.
> 
> Am I right in assuming that this is an upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 ?
> I can't think of another reason that libc5 would not be installed.

No.  This was a recent upgarde of a few packages in unstable on a
right-up-to-date system.  As I understand it, what happened was
approximately this...

  dpkg --install .../ldso* .../libc5* .../<other packages>

the results were

  unpack ldso
  unpack libc5    (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1")
  unpack <others> (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1" occasionally)

Apperently it never configured ldso before proceeding to the remaining
packages.  Configuring ldso and libc5 and then installing everything again
was successful.

(Note that this is from memory and so may not be entirely accurate.)
                                              
                                          Brian
                                 ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
                                             
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> > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
> > From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
> >
> > Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
> > "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
> > install.
> 
> Am I right in assuming that this is an upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 ?
> I can't think of another reason that libc5 would not be installed.

No.  This was a recent upgarde of a few packages in unstable on a
right-up-to-date system.  As I understand it, what happened was
approximately this...

  dpkg --install .../ldso* .../libc5* .../<other packages>

the results were

  unpack ldso
  unpack libc5    (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1")
  unpack <others> (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1" occasionally)

Apperently it never configured ldso before proceeding to the remaining
packages.  Configuring ldso and libc5 and then installing everything again
was successful.

(Note that this is from memory and so may not be entirely accurate.)
                                              
                                          Brian
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There is a "Disable source routes" prompt when configuring the kernel
(with "make menuconfig" or "make config"). You are free to enable it
when building your own kernel.

I'd like to hear a good explanation of what the security problem is,
and why anyone would want to use source routes.

	Thanks

	Bruce


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   Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 11:29 PDT
   From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)

   > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
   > From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
   > 
   > Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
   > "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
   > install.

   Am I right in assuming that this is an upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 ?
   I can't think of another reason that libc5 would not be installed.

I don't have a log of what happened, so take this with a grain of salt, but my
impression was that ld.so and libc5 both existed, but were going to be
updated, and it was the update that didn't work correctly.

In particular, I believe I started with a set of buzz-fixed boot disks, and
then installed rex packages on the system.  I'm assuming that ld.so or libc5
has been updated since the buzz-fixed disks were last cut.

--Mike


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   Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 11:29 PDT
   From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)

   > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0400
   > From: "Brian C. White" <bcwhite@verisim.com>
   > 
   > Apparently, until "ld.so" is configured "libc5" won't install, and if
   > "libc5" insn't configured then perl breaks.  After which nothing will
   > install.

   Am I right in assuming that this is an upgrade from 0.93 to 1.1 ?
   I can't think of another reason that libc5 would not be installed.

I don't have a log of what happened, so take this with a grain of salt, but my
impression was that ld.so and libc5 both existed, but were going to be
updated, and it was the update that didn't work correctly.

In particular, I believe I started with a set of buzz-fixed boot disks, and
then installed rex packages on the system.  I'm assuming that ld.so or libc5
has been updated since the buzz-fixed disks were last cut.

--Mike


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> > (a)   Content-type: application/GNU Compr. Tar
> >
> > (b)   Content-type: text/plain
> >
> > The question now is, who tells lynx to identify these files?
> 
> It's normal - look at lynx.cfg file and modify it - it should contain lot
> of lines with first word SUFFIX (it tels how to transfer different filetypes)
> an add lines like:
> 
> SUFFIX:.deb:application/octet-stream
> SUFFIX:.tgz:application/octet-stream
> 
> I think that in Debian version of Lynx file lynx.cfg should at least contain
> first line!!!

If Lynx reads /etc/mime.types, then both of these are already defined.

	application/x-debian-package	deb
	application/x-gtar		gtar tgz
                                             
                                          Brian
                                 ( bcwhite@verisim.com )
                                             
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Subject: Re: cfs Debian package available!
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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 valgamon@megahits.com wrote:
> oooooh boy you don't know how glad I am to hear this, after spending 10
> solid hours yesterday fiddling around with Olaf Kirch's linux port of CFS.
> Can you please point me to yours?

	You'll be able to find cfs at my homepage for the time being.
Thats at http://www.cs.usask.ca/undergrads/pje120/linux/cfs.html. 

 PACKAGE: cfs
 VERSION: 1.1.2-1
 DEPENDS: netstd (>= 2.0.5)
 ARCHITECTURE: i386
 SECTION: admin
 PRIORITY: optional
 MAINTAINER: Patrick Edwards <pje120@mail.usask.ca>
 DESCRIPTION:
  Cryptographic Filesystem uses NFS to allow for a complete file system 
  that is encrypted on the fly. It uses DES, and Triple-DES.

de3944f245f85bc08f2d49774aeba090  cfs-1.1.2-1.deb
1460f0b6be22bbf7ef6b301b5aa36b98  cfs-1.1.2-1.diff.gz
fa854471a87c0ce78c5cfb435acd077e  cfs-1.1.2-1.tar.gz


	It is important to note the following:

1. I need a non US and a non Canada Web site, otherwise it would become
illegal to export Debian without the permission of either government and
AT&T.

2. Even though *I* view this as a stable and mature package, it needs to
be tested before it really is considered so. The extent of my testing has
been on my machine only so I would appreciate feed back. (email: 
pje120@mail.usask.ca) 


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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:

> I installed debian 1.1.8 on another pc, using dpgk-ftp to
> retrieve all necessary packages, from stable & unstable.
> Firstly, I noticed that when installing a large number of
> packages on the system, the unpacking of some of them fail,
> complaining that some lib or another is missing. This has
> already happened twice before, on two other machines.

happened here too, on a newly mke2fs'ed box, with only pppd and a few net
packages installed, using dpkg-ftpd, using rex.
 
also, the dircolors included in the util-linux (or so..) package doesn't
have the -z option anymore (for zsh). 
 
Help would be appreciated.

thanx, 
Antoine Reid

PS: Make sure to reply to linux@sympatico.ca if you CC to me... thanx

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Brian C. White writes:
> No.  This was a recent upgarde of a few packages in unstable on a
> right-up-to-date system.  As I understand it, what happened was
> approximately this...
> 
>   dpkg --install .../ldso* .../libc5* .../<other packages>
> 
> the results were
> 
>   unpack ldso
>   unpack libc5    (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1")
>   unpack <others> (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1" occasionally)

This is due to a problem in the ld.so packaging.  It will be fixed in
the next version.  Until it's available, you should install ld.so by
itself.

David
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Brian C. White writes:
> No.  This was a recent upgarde of a few packages in unstable on a
> right-up-to-date system.  As I understand it, what happened was
> approximately this...
> 
>   dpkg --install .../ldso* .../libc5* .../<other packages>
> 
> the results were
> 
>   unpack ldso
>   unpack libc5    (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1")
>   unpack <others> (error "perl: cannot find libdl.so.1" occasionally)

This is due to a problem in the ld.so packaging.  It will be fixed in
the next version.  Until it's available, you should install ld.so by
itself.

David
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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Al Youngwerth wrote:

> Is there a good reason why all the start stop functions in /etc/init.d
> are executable by anybody by default. It seems to me that this allows
> your average user to stop an important system service. Anyone have
> comments? 

No it doesn't. Normal (i.e. non-root) users can only kill processes that
they own... which just about means "processes that they have started." So
/etc/init.d being executable by world is not a problem at all.

Try stopping one of these services (as a non-root user)... you'll see.

   Christian



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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> I'd like to hear a good explanation of what the security problem is,
> and why anyone would want to use source routes.

The security problem? Basically, if you've got source routing enabled, I
can send bad IP packets to your machine and they'll get there. By 'bad' I
mean, say, packets with a wrong 'Source IP' field.

This can be used to get packets from 'outside' through a firewall and make
the packets look like they came from 'inside' to the destination machine,
I believe.

And of course, this is kinda 'helpful' to crack services (eg rsh, etc.)
that put trust into specific IP numbers.

I don't know it that was very clear, but at least it was some kind of an
explanation. Please keep 'Drop source routed frames' enabled in the Debian
kernels.

  Christian


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How is the X authorization set up in Debian?

I am running xdm and I discovered that only the login user can
start an X window. There are 2 situations when I cannot start a 
X window:
(1) when I try to start a window after 'su' to root. I discovered this
    can be fixed if I do 'xhost +mymachinename'. How to this automatically?
    A line in Xaccess or some /etc/X11/X???.hosts file?
(2) after establishing a PPP connection to my service provider and 
    changing my hostname (I have only a dynamic IP address from my ISP).
    Here I suppose there is nothing I can do except do xhost from my ip-up
    script after fixing (1).

--Derek Lee


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Good morning fans,

  Where is the username for ftp downloads defined in lynx?

  I'm working on two machines, one a.out (migrating to Debian) and one
  elf (Debian).  On both machines the same version of lynx is installed.

  Package: lynx
  Status: install ok installed
  Priority: optional
  Section: net
  Maintainer: Andrew Howell <andrew@it.com.au>
  Version: 2.4-FM-960316-1

  When I make an ftp download from the elf machine lynx uses 'joey@'
  as password, on the a.out machine lynx takes 'WWWuser@'. Why?

Thanks for your assistance,

	Joey

-- 
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In article <199609131018.MAA19781@epsilon.lu.erisoft.se> Martin.Stromberg@lu.erisoft.se (Martin Stromberg) writes:

> I don't know anything about PCMCIA, but I know that if you know what you're
> doing (like checking dependencies and such) using dpkg is ok - dselect is
> there to help you check dependencies and to display what packages there are.
> So I'd say go ahead and use dpkg to install the package.
> 
> Helpful?

Yes indeed, thank you.

For the record, I used the standard boot/root/base1,2,3 floppies.  I
then used dd to dump a tar file of the pcmcia debian packages to floppy,
and dd at the other side to retrieve them.  "dpkg -i" installed the
packages (first time it complained about a missing modules directory -
guess I got the order wrong).  I configured the network by hand
(ifconfig and route - there probably is a better way of doing this) and
then I was talking to the rest of the world and could use dselect.

Curiously I had another problem, that is all the boot kernels I used
(buzz, buzz-fixed and rex - I tried them all several times each), gave
nfs_* symbols not resolved (symbols in 2.0.6 don't match version 2.0.6
or similar message).  This means that I couldn't load the nfs module
and so had to use ftp access instead.  I'm puzzled by this as I can't
remember the same problem with the other two (desktop) systems I've
installed.

Thanks to the poster and Brian Mays who emailed me, I'm now up and running.


Tony Robinson


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James MacLean wrote:
> 
> On Sep 13,  1:59pm, Chuma Agbodike wrote:
> > Subject: Undefined module symbols
> > Greetings.
> >
> >       I picked up DOSEMU 0.63.1.75 from your ftp site. Installed it,
> > but I have run into a wall. I get a screenful of undefined module
> > symbols. And DOSEMU fails to load.
> >       I am runing Linux version 2.0.13   What do you recommend that
> > I do to get DOSEMU to work?
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Chuma
> 
> Have you upgraded your kernel in between compiling DOSEmu? If so , try another
> make and see if it updates the modules. Otherwise, try modifying the
> load_module.sh  file to include some extra params like the -Z and -z parms.
> execute DOSEmu's insmod without any parms to see the options.
> 
> LAter,
> JES
> 
> --
> James B. MacLean        macleajb@ednet.ns.ca
> Department of Education http://www.ednet.ns.ca/~macleajb/dosemu.html
> Nova Scotia, Canada
> B3M 4B2

Thanks James.

After studying your response, I searched for all ocurences of insmod.
There was another lurking somewhere. I renamed it to insmodold. Even 
though you said use the other insmod, it would not work. I kept on 
getting: insmod not a file or directory. Well I went to read LINUX 
manual about unix commands and started to understand why 
./load_module.sh has that dot before the slash. In DOS if you're in the
current DIR and the command is there the system doesn't have to stick to
the path. So you get my drift I hope. Anyway I applied my haunch and got
the help info after I did ./insmod from /usr/src/dosemu.bin where the
insmod command was placed. It worked.

>From there I went on. Now I studied the DOSEMU info files some more and 
finally was able to get DOSEMU started.

Thanks.

Now I have to figure out why am getting:

DOSEMU: ttys lock: (/usr/spool/uucp/LCK .. mouse): No such file or dir.
DOSEMU: ttys lock: (/usr/spool/uucp/LCK .. modem): No such file or dir.

And int10,0 set_video_mode failed

Like I said am new to this stuff!


Best regards

Chuma


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In article <199609131419.KAA07001@kangaroo.ncsl.nist.gov>,
Bob Bagwill <bagwill@kangaroo.ncsl.nist.gov> wrote:

>Relationships tend to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids, 
>which are essential to the generation of good code.

Wonderful one-liner. I think you should make a sig out of this and
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:-) Chris




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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:

> "texbin" fails to configure because version mfbasfnt-1.0-5 is missing the
> file manfnt.mf (a special font for something in Knuth's book). Downgrading to
> mfbasfnt-1.0-3 from "buzz-fixed" overcomes the problem

I ran into this, too, and the program that complained about this
(Metafont?) started logging errors, which turned into a 72 MB log file...
I wish I had written down the filenames and stuff, but I haven't. :(
I can reproduce it, I think. I just have to "configure" Babel.

-Marcelo


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> 
> > C'est manfnt.mf. Install mfbasfnt-1.0-3 de "buzz-fixed" et ca ira. 

On peut installer mfbasfnt-1.0-7 aussi, mais c'est dans Incoming maintenant.
One can also install mfbasfnt-1.0-7, but it is in Incoming right now.

> Merci! Ca marche maintenant.
> 
> Translation: Thanks, now it works :-)

Ne rien.
Niets te danken.

Erick


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Hi,

	I have just installed a minimal set of packages in order to run 
X11. Everything works fine: if I use startx I get X up and running (with 
twm as WM... how do I change that? I'd like to have fvwm2 as the 
default WM for all my users), and it works with xinit, too. But if I run 
xdm (from a root shell), it seems to start, but the login console never 
shows up. Any pointers, please?

Thanks,

	Marcelo Magallon



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>>>>> "dkklee" == dkklee  <dkklee@MIT.EDU> writes:

    dkklee> (1) when I try to start a window after 'su' to root. I
    dkklee> discovered this can be fixed if I do 'xhost
    dkklee> +mymachinename'. How to this automatically?  A line in
    dkklee> Xaccess or some /etc/X11/X???.hosts file?

You can setenv XAUTHORITY to your $HOME/.Xauthority or something.
Since the super user can read any file, you should be able to connect
to your server while you switch to root.

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I've got an application I'm trying to install on my new Debian system and 
it is giving me a warning about a missing script (called newaliases).

I'm assuming this script somehow manages mail aliases (based on the type 
of app it is and the name), but other than that I don't know anything 
about it.  

I can't find any information on this script in any FAQs, HOWTOs, or any 
of the Packages files (via grep).

Anyone have any ideas about where I can find this script?  

TIA,

Kevin Traas
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  Kevin>  I've got an application I'm trying to install on my new Debian
  Kevin> system and it is giving me a warning about a missing script (called
  Kevin> newaliases).
[...]
  Kevin> Anyone have any ideas about where I can find this script?

miles:~ [root] # zgrep newaliases /mirror/debian/rex/Contents.gz
usr/bin/newaliases                                           sendmail
usr/man/man1/newaliases.1                                    sendmail  

--
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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca said:

>   Kevin>  I've got an application I'm trying to install on my new Debian
>   Kevin> system and it is giving me a warning about a missing script (called
>   Kevin> newaliases).
> [...]
>   Kevin> Anyone have any ideas about where I can find this script?
> 
> miles:~ [root] # zgrep newaliases /mirror/debian/rex/Contents.gz
> usr/bin/newaliases                                           sendmail
> usr/man/man1/newaliases.1                                    sendmail  

...but as i just found out, if you install smail, you don't get
`newaliases', but rather `mkaliases' (in /usr/sbin).  it's kinda
inconsistent -- the man page for smail lists `newaliases' at the top,
but never mentions it again.

i did just do an `ln -s newaliases mkaliases' and running `newaliases'
worked fine, so that's a workable short-term fix.

john


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Marcelo Magallon wrote:
> But if I run 
> xdm (from a root shell), it seems to start, but the login console never 
> shows up. Any pointers, please?

This happened to me too, because I didn't configure xdm when I installed
it (because I didn't have the right info at hand to configure the X
server, and didn't want to get locked out).

You need to tell xdm what server to run.  In /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers, add:
:0 console-display local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0
and the problem should be solved.

-- 
Bill Roman  (roman@songdog.eskimo.com / roman@songdog.uucp)   running linux


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In article <199609140429.AAA27509@m4-035-16.MIT.EDU> you write:
>How is the X authorization set up in Debian?
>
>I am running xdm and I discovered that only the login user can
>start an X window.

The 'MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE' authentication method is being used; only X
clients with access to the appropriate 'cookie' (an automatically
generated password) can connect to the server. I suggest you read the
Xsecurity manpage in the xmanpages package for more information. The
xauth and Xserver manpages are also relevant.

>There are 2 situations when I cannot start a 
>X window:
>(1) when I try to start a window after 'su' to root. I discovered this
>    can be fixed if I do 'xhost +mymachinename'. How to this automatically?
>    A line in Xaccess or some /etc/X11/X???.hosts file?

You should set up a script to be run by root to copy the cookie from
the user's .Xauthority file to root's .Xauthority.

>(2) after establishing a PPP connection to my service provider and 
>    changing my hostname (I have only a dynamic IP address from my ISP).
>    Here I suppose there is nothing I can do except do xhost from my ip-up
>    script after fixing (1).

What is your DISPLAY variable being set to? If it's hostname:0.0 (or
similar) then the connection from the X client to the server will be
made by TCP using the cookie listed for TCP. If it's just :0.0 then
the connection will be made using a Unix-domain socket, and the cookie
listed for that connection method. (The cookie will have the same
value, just a different name).

If all you're worried about is getting X clients on your local machine
to start up on your own display, I'd recommend having DISPLAY set to
:0.0, so changes in hostname or IP address won't matter.

Steve Early


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>DOSEMU: ttys lock: (/usr/spool/uucp/LCK .. mouse): No such file or dir.

There is no /usr/spool/uucp/ directory so it can't make
/usr/spool/uucp/LCK .. mouse I had a similar problem when I ran a non-Debian
version of efax.  It should use /var/lock/LCK..mouse  instead.  Maybe
the directory DOSEMU uses is configurable.

Good luck,
Nathan



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I am trying to use gs to view postscript files.  I don't have X, and have
tried the command

   gs -sDEVICE=linux try.ps

I get a message that the clocks have not been set,  and an offer to set
them for me.  After I have the machine do that and run gs again, I get

   illegal instruction (core dumped)

Can somebody explain what might be happening?  

If it helps my libvga.config file (comment lines deleted) is:

           (starts below this line)

clocks 100 126 92 36 50 57 0 45 135 32 110 80 40 45 75 65

mouse microsoft

monitor 35.5

C0

c1


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master.debian.org is down since Sunday. Any plans to bring it back up?

yggdrasil.com is also down (Even the DNS Servers are not reachable!) and
is the gateway from the usnet linux.debian.user group to the mailing list.
Can we establish alternate gateways so that at least the usenet groups
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|"Hello.
|"
|"Yesterday I tried to install a buzz-fixed system. As the disk I wanted to 
|"install onto, was a SCSI disk connected to a ncr810, I had to use one of
|"the special kernels - number 5 in buzz-fixed/.../disks-i386/special-kernels.
|"
|"At the time of the part of installation where the kernel is installed I got 
|"an error saying something of type of "error in archive".

Yes, the modules.tgz file is corrupted (truncated). There is a bigger
problem here: the standard boot-disk has a 2.0.6 kernel, de special-kernels
have a 2.0.5 kernel. This means that you can't use the modules.tgz from the
boot-disk (which is uncorrupted) with the other kernels. This means that all
the people in need of a special kernel who have the Debian-distribution from
the latest Infomagic CDs (which I used Saturday) have a problem. Worse, the
problem persists.

I think it is of the utmost importance to keep the bootdisks in sync. After
all, it's just a matter of a 6-fold compile. This can even be automated...

Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)


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Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@calder.med.miami.edu> writes:
> If you disagree with this, as many seem to, please propose a solution
> whereby package maintainers can easily make sure that app-defaults
> files are updated to reflect any changes introduced in the upstream
> app-defaults file.

Well, couldn't the files in app-defaults be marked as config files
("DEBIAN/conffiles") in the packages? Then dpkg creates checksums of these
files and when a package is updated, it can be replaced (if there were no
changes) or it can ask the user what he wants to do with it (replace,
leave under different name, i.e. add .dpkg-dist extension). 

I think all this is done automatically by dpkg now (at least in the
newest revision of dpkg). I've seen this working with a few other
packages, since I upgraded to "unstable" a few days ago.


Cheers,

Chris

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Hi!

I just browsed the Linux FSSTND (v1.2) but haven't found a comment about
the app-defaults directory.

Backups would be much easier if _all_ the configurable files are in /etc
and /usr can't be mounted readonly if one has to change the app-defaults
file. (Shouldn't, as a simple rule, all files that are referred by the
debpkg-conffiles be placed in /etc ?)


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Hi all,

when running dselect in an xterm, the arrow keys in the
Select menu use to stop working. The j,k keys 
continue to work. I think they stop to work when you press 
something else, like v, or o.

Going to the Main menu and back again solves the problem, 
of course until you happen to press something else except the
arrow keys again.

	bobo rajec

PS: sorry if this is a faq: is there a Debian package for
libc 5.3.12 ? I could not find it on my ftp site.


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Hi Sue,
  I read with intrest your posting, you do make valid points with refrence to
the trade off's ... That is assuming the person involved is rational.  Believe
me, if you want to make sure that an upload from you is untracable... It can be
done .. and finally, it is a simple matter to delay the phenomenon so that it
occurs at a certain day of after a finite number of executions, 666 for
example..
	It is a frightening thought,...

Regards 

Jonathan


>Hi Jean --
>
>There are (at least) 3 counterarguments to the concern that Debian 
>maintainers could maliciously add dangerous commands to their 
?{pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts:
>-- the same package system which is open to many for development is 
>equally open to many for testing.
>-- by having both "stable" and "unstable" releases, Debian distinguishes 
>between packages which are [likely to have been] tested and those which 
>are not.
>-- as the saying goes, "Never interpret as malicious that which could 
>also be explained by stupidity."   Humans at commercial software firms
>are no more protected from their own stupidity than humans who are working
>to provide free software, _and_ who are offering the world the opportunity
>to scrutinize their source code.  
>
>Another way to pose the question is, what would motivate a developer to
>include mailicious software?  He could be pretty sure that the offending
>code would be found quickly, and he would be identified (via PGP keys)
>with the problem.  The perpetrator would be immediately banned from 
>using the system.  And all he got for his trouble was to inconvenience one
>or a few unknown, randomly selected, victims.  Not a very good tradeoff.
>
>All the same questions being asked of free software should be asked, 
>of course, of the commercial software...  
>
>HTH,
>Susan Kleinmann


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Hello.


Yesterday I tried to install a buzz-fixed system. As the disk I wanted to 
install onto, was a SCSI disk connected to a ncr810, I had to use one of
the special kernels - number 5 in buzz-fixed/.../disks-i386/special-kernels.

At the time of the part of installation where the kernel is installed I got 
an error saying something of type of "error in archive".

Some half hour of checking later I had found out that the modules.tgz files
on all of the special kernels (.../special-kernels/boot1440_2.0.5-?.bin)
are corrupt. 
This was done by doing "dd if=boot1440_2.0.5-5.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k
mcopy a:modules.tgz .
tar -zvvtpf modules.tgz", where this last step results in an error message 
saying "premature end of file". 

The boot1440_2.0.5-?.bin files was fetched from a mirror, so be really
sure that I had the latest (and greatest) files I did this check on 
boot1440_2.0.5-3.bin and boot1440_2.0.5-5.bin from the same directory on
ftp.debian.org as well.
Same error on those as well.

This is not a cry for help. I managed to install anyway by un-taring (getting 
the error) and then re-taring the files that was extracted. This lead to
some interesting choices when selecting modules, such as a module "*"! 

However I think we should correct the erroneous files.

I know that there has been some other messages regarding this, especially one 
where somebody asked for a better specification of the problem, but I've
deleted those messages so I dont know who it was that was asking that.
Please contact me if you want more information.


Debug mode,

							MartinS


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As Bruce Perens wrote:

> Message-Id: <m0v1fQi-0007oyC@mongo.pixar.com>
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 14:05 PDT
> From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
> To: clameter@waterf.org (Christoph Lameter), "David L. Craig" <dlc@g1.com>
> Subject: Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection
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> I'd like to hear a good explanation of what the security problem is,
> and why anyone would want to use source routes.

The only legitimate use of source routing of which I am aware
is for testing explicit network routes, determining their
RTTs, etc.  Illegitimate uses are attacks employing address
spoofing, sequence number guessing, ICMP Redirects,  and
undoubtedly many other methods, with results running from
denial of service to complete compromise of a host.  I am not
enough of a security maven to provide a better explanation,
though I'm trying to become more knowledgable.  "Firewalls
and Internet Security" by Cheswick and Bellovin makes for
sobering reading, but leaves much as an exercise to the
reader.  Perhaps the more knowledgable, like Alan Cox, could
provide a satisfactory explanation.

Again, my point is:  shouldn't there be a mention of the basics
(be sure IP forwarding and source routing are not enabled) with
an end user level of explanation of why not, a pointer to more
info, and an encouragement to be sure the local network admin
is aware of the link?


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salwen@phys2.harvard.edu wrote:
> 
> >DOSEMU: ttys lock: (/usr/spool/uucp/LCK .. mouse): No such file or dir.
> 
> There is no /usr/spool/uucp/ directory so it can't make
> /usr/spool/uucp/LCK .. mouse I had a similar problem when I ran a non-Debian
> version of efax.  It should use /var/lock/LCK..mouse  instead.  Maybe
> the directory DOSEMU uses is configurable.
> 
> Good luck,
> Nathan

Thanks. I verified that I do not have the offending DIR. There is
a /var/lock/LCK. I will make the modification and see how it goes.


Chuma


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marcus hightower <marcus@starnetinc.com> writes:

> Where should I look for a stable kernel? I have to make a new kernel so that
> my Xwindows will work. (My mouse pad on the laptop freezes the keyboard). Is
> there a Debian packaged kernel that will guide me through it or do have
> kernel*.tar.gz from and make it myself? My gcc is working great and I just
> installed the make.deb and I have some documents but they do not talk about
> *.deb files. 

Here is what I do to build a custom kernel.

Get the Linux kernel source from one of the usual locations (e.g.,
ftp.cs.helsinki.fi in /pub/Software/Linux/Kernel/v2.0 or some other
closer location).  Hold on to the source so that when you wish to
upgrade the kernel version, you can download the patches instead of
the entire source again.  For example, I have the linux-2.0.tar.gz
file in /usr/src and all of the patches up to version 2.0.19 in
directory /usr/src/patches.  When I wish to compile the latest version
of the kernel, I rebuild the source with

  $ cd /usr/src
  $ tar xzf linux-2.0.tar.gz
  $ cd linux
  $ zcat ../patches/patch-2.0.[1-9].gz \
	../patches/patck-2.0.[1-9][0-9].gz | patch -p1

I can check to see whether the changes were patched correctly with
"find /usr/src/linux -name '*.rej'".

Next retrieve and install the kernel-package package.  Since I keep
the kernel source in the /usr/src/linux directory, here are the
commands that I would use to build and install a customized kernel for
kernel version 2.0.19:

  $ cd /usr/src/linux
  $ cp /usr/lib/kernel-package/debian/debian.config .config
  $ make config   [ or make xconfig, etc. ]
      [ Answer questions to customize the kernel's configuration ]
  $ make-kpkg kernel_image
  $ dpkg -i ../kernel-image-2.0.19_3.0_i386.deb

That's all.  You can clean up your system by deleting the
kernel-image-2.0.19_3.0_i386.deb file and the kernel source tree, but
you should save the contents of the .config file for the next time that
you recompile the kernel.

If your laptop uses PCMCIA cards and you are not using the default
Debian kernel, you should recompile the PCMCIA kernel modules.
Retrieve and install the pcmcia-source_2.8.22-1_i386.deb package.  The
instructions for recompiling the pcmcia-modules package are in the
/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/debian/README file.

-- 
Brian


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I installed Debian 1.1 and found that my tex files were no longer
leaving a margin at the top of the page.  I traced it to
/usr/lib/texmf/dvips/config.ps where a4size was set instead of letter.
I don't recall any questions from the installation of the dvipsk about
the paper size.

I don't know whether this is a common problem or something weird that
I did but I thought I would just drop a note to the net in case anyone
else is having the same problem.

Nathan Salwen




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  Johnny>  I do not know why this happens, only that the same thing happend
  Johnny> to me when I tried to format my Quantum Sirrocco 2.5 Gig hard
  Johnny> drive.  Around about the 2.1 gig it starts reporting errors.  I can
  Johnny> only assume that the system cannot handle partitions over 2 gig.

You need a version of fdisk that as recent as 2.0 or better to support disks
bigger than 2 GB, for example the fdisk from util-linux-2.5 which says

	miles:~ [root] # fdisk -v
	fdisk v2.1 (>4GB)     

As for maximal partition size, read (using altavista or dejanews) the
newsgroup article with referenced below, it shows how partitions can be as
large as 959 GB (yes, just under one TB, a million MB). You have to increase
the block size which becomes a little inefficient at that size ... 

I cannot recommend few big partitions anyway. Disks do fail, and you're
better off when it happens on a limited partition, /usr/local say, rather
than on /. 


Subject:      Re: Really 2 GB file size limit?
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I need a header file named curses.h  I did a search but did not find
anything.  I did change to the highest gcc. Is that why make can't find it.

P.S. Thanks for the help with as86



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joost witteveen:
> BTW, I'm _not_ saying there's something wrong with the way Larz
> signs. I'm just noticing a pattern

I share the office with God[1], of course there isn't anything
wrong with my signatures.

The problem with my signatures is the I'm using the new PGP/MIME
draft-RFC, while elm probably only understands the older
application/pgp proposal (or plain PGP messages). PGP/MIME separates
the text and the signature in two different MIME parts. Among other
things, this makes it possible to read MIME-typed PGP-signed messages
with MIME-capable but PGP-uncapable readers such as Pine. Linus
used to hate my mail before I started to use PGP/MIME. Another bonus
is that it is possible to sign a multipart message (attachments),
without making things unnecessarily complicated.

See http://www.c2.org/~raph/pgpmime.html for info on PGP/MIME.

BTW, Tove is the only person allowed to call me Larz. :)

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  Kevin> what am I missing?!?!?!?

You didn't tell us what you were selecting for PPP in "make xconfig". If I am
not mistaken, you need modules. I always use them where I can, and they work
great for me. I select:

	#
	# Network device support
	#
	CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y
	CONFIG_DUMMY=m
	# CONFIG_EQUALIZER is not set
	# CONFIG_DLCI is not set
	CONFIG_PLIP=m
	CONFIG_PPP=m
	#
	# CCP compressors for PPP are only built as modules.
	#
	CONFIG_SLIP=m
	CONFIG_SLIP_COMPRESSED=y
	CONFIG_SLIP_SMART=y                         
	
and

	#
	# Character devices
	#
	CONFIG_SERIAL=m      

which, using kerneld with the "auto" option in /etc/modules, and "alias dummy0
dummy" in /etc/conf.modules gives:

	miles:~ [root] # lsmod
	Module:        #pages:  Used by:
	ppp                5            1 (autoclean)
	dummy0             1            1 (autoclean)
	slip               2            2 (autoclean)
	slhc               2    [ppp slip]      3 (autoclean)
	serial             7            4 (autoclean)           

(Ppp is used to the ISP, and slip is loaded as I also use cslip over a
null-modem cable as an el-cheapo network to a laptop running Debian).

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Ok, X works ok, with one annoying problem:  Down the left hand
side of the screen is a fairly narrow(~.25 inch) band of increased
intensity that makes anything that fall within it unreadable. This
occurs in all video modes with resolutions higher than 640x480.

My hardware:
STB Powergraph 64 Video(S3 Trio64V+ Chipset)
MAG DX17F Monitor(30-64kHz Horizontal, 50-100Hz Vertical)

I am using the xserver-s3, and configured for the S3 Trio64 chipset.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Justin Stodola
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jestod00@mik.uky.edu


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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca wrote:
> 
>   Marcus Hightower writes:
>   Marcus>  Does anybody know where I can find this as86 thing.
> 
> See the Debian FAQ (from the doc-debian package, or the ftp site)
> 
>   7.4.  How can I find out what package produced a particular file?
> 
>   To identify the package that produced the file named foo execute
>   either:
> 
>   o  dpkg -S filename.
> 
>      This searches through the lists of installed files.  This is
>      (currently) equivalent to searching all of the files having the
>      file extension of .list in the directory /var/lib/dpkg/info/.
> 
>   o  grep foo Contents, or zgrep foo Contents.gz.
> 
>      This searches for files which contain the substring foo in their
>      full path names.  The files Contents and Contents.gz reside in the
>      major package directories (Debian-1.1, non-free, contrib, etc.)  at
>      a Debian FTP site. A Contents file refers only to the packages in
>      the subdirectory tree where it resides.  Therefore, a user might
>      have to search more than one Contents files to find the package
>      containing the file foo.
> 
> Hence:
>         miles:~ [root] # zgrep as86 /mirror/debian/rex/Contents.gz
>         usr/bin/as86                                                 bin86
> so you have to install the bin86 package.
> 
>   Marcus>   Also does the zimage automaticly gets installed when you do a
>   Marcus> make zimage or does it just makes it without installation.
> 
> Use the kernel-package from the rex/binary-all/misc directory. It will build
> a .deb file with your kernel and install it all for you (you need to read
> some doc, though).
> 
> --
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

I had used make-kpkg to build a debian package of linux 2.0.13 sources
and installed the resulting .deb . Then I found that I had to 
reconfigure because my sound card will not work in windows every time I 
run Linux and switch back to win 95. I have to run DOS 5.0 to revive the 
sound in win 95. Since the IRQs and addresses were different in win 95
I decided to make the sound irqs in win 95 the same as in linux.

Anyway after make config , make-kpkg refuses to run telling me there is
nothing to make. What do I need to do to have make-kpkg rebuild with the 
new config ?


Best regards

Chuma


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     Hello all ...
     
     a debian node of mine is using xdm ...
     
     
     Q1? Can someone please tell me how to set fvwm2 as the default window  
         manager.
     
     Q2? Is there a deb install package for olwm/olvwm and those related    
         apps that go along with it? (such as the slackware install has)
     
     
     Thanx in advance.
     
     As always - your help is appreciated...


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  Chuma> Anyway after make config , make-kpkg refuses to run telling me there
  Chuma> is nothing to make. What do I need to do to have make-kpkg rebuild
  Chuma> with the new config ?

Run
	make-kpkg clean
*before* you do a 
	make xconfig	

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd


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Jonathan, writing from vega.netg.se:
> Believe me, if you want to make sure that an upload from you is
> untracable... It can be done ..

Untraceable is a matter of degree.

Forging someone's pgp signature is about as difficult as breaking
into a commercial software publisher's office and replacing the
master-copies of software there.  Sure, it can be done, but this
possibility doesn't favor one distribution channel over another.

Also, "untraceable" has a strong element of risk -- you're going
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Hi,

When using dselect running in xterm_color, the arrow keys sometimes do
not work. It means, they do work the first time I use them. Then,
after presing something else, (+,-,=), they do not work anymore. After
returning to the main menu and selecting the same menu item once more,
they start to work again, until I press something else again. Other
cursor movement keys (j,k...) work as expected.

	bobo rajec

PS: sorry, if this is a faq: is there a debian package for libc-5.3.12?



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Hi All,

ok, yet another newbie to debian.  I think I've RTFM but I'm missing
something.

the problem: "this kernel doesn't support ppp"

what I've done:

I just got a CD of debian 1.1.6 (with kernel 2.0.0 and 2.0.12) from
i-connect.  It installed 2.0.0.  I got everything installed, including X (a
pain, my #9 Motion 771 likes to shift the screen dramatically).  I then
tried ppp.  I have chat scripts that worked great with slackware 1.2.13 (I
did a complete re-partition, etc, the only things I kept from slackware was
my chat scripts).  When I tried ppp it wouldn't give me a default route.
Instead of debugging, I decided to get the latest version of everything
first.  I grabbed the various FAQ's, HOWTO's, etc, and started reading.
There was some contradictory advice but I think I got a workable procedure.

the kernel sources for 2.0.12 were on the cd.  I installed them to
/usr/src, made the link to /usr/src/linux, ran make menuconfig, and
everything was fine.  But no ppp.  I rebuilt the kernel 5 or 6 times,
trying different parameters for module/no module, etc.  Everything compiles
fine but ... "this kernel doesn't support ppp".

this was last week and the real world intruded on my playing.  Over the
weekend I had some time to try this again.  I reread the FAQ's, etc.  I
grabbed (from sunsite) kernel 2.0.20 and (from ftp.debian.org) the latest
ppp.deb and module.deb.  (note: I'm using OS/2 Warp for all of this, I have
boot manager/lilo set up and it all works great).  I rebooted into linux
2.0.12.  Then...

cd /usr/src
cp -p /f/{kernel,ppp,module} .
tar zxf kernel...
(this exanded into /usr/src/linux, I renamed the subdir to kernel-2.0.20
  and made a link to linux)
dpkg -i ppp,module
cd linux
make menuconfig (here I've tried various options for module, etc, but,
  bottom line, I'm compiling ppp in directly, not using modules, trying to
  reduce one level of confusion)
make dep;make clean
make zlilo (chug chug chug no problem)
make modules
make modules_install
sync
reboot
...
log in as root
/sbin/ip-on ru (ru is the name of my chat script)
"kernel doesn't support ppp"
ARGHH!

what am I missing?!?!?!?

thanks,

--
kc

Kevin Conover: kcppp@rci.rutgers.edu


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Does anybody know where I can find this as86 thing. My kernel wants it
during the compile.  Also does the zimage automaticly gets installed when
you do a make zimage or does it just makes it without installation.



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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:58:03 PDT David_Oswald@prenhall.com wrote:

>      Q1? Can someone please tell me how to set fvwm2 as the default window  
>          manager.

Add 'fvwm2' in first position in /etc/X11/window-managers.

>      Q2? Is there a deb install package for olwm/olvwm and those related    
>          apps that go along with it? (such as the slackware install has)

I've seen that a debian package has been made for Openwin libraries, but I dunno for the whole openwin environment.

Phil.



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> 
> Dear Debian people,
> 
> I have the following problem with ELM and PGP. I often get a message saying
> "could not open pgptemp.$01" - and the request that I type the correct
> filename. However, this filename, if I am not mistaken, should have been
> presented to PGP by ELM. 

I've got the same problem -- but _only_ with the (otherwise very much
valued) posts from Larz. All other pgp signed messages go through
elm-pgp nicely, but, since a couple of mounths or so, Larz's posts
don't. Do you have trouble with all pgp signed posts, or like me,
also with larz's only?

BTW, I'm _not_ saying there's something wrong with the way Larz
signs. I'm just noticing a pattern


-- 
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would any one care to enlighten me why the nfs daemons are commented
out of /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs. i needed to mount a disk off another
linux machine and i couldn't do it until i turned on the daemons by
hand. are there any security issues associated with this? the same
daemons are also commented out of /etc/inetd.conf.

--alex--

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Christian Schwarz <schwarz@monet.m.isar.de> writes:
> Backups would be much easier if _all_ the configurable files are in /etc
> and /usr can't be mounted readonly if one has to change the app-defaults
> file. (Shouldn't, as a simple rule, all files that are referred by the
> debpkg-conffiles be placed in /etc ?)

Please peruse /usr/doc/X11/debian.README, to understand why I say
that, on Debian, app-defaults files are not considered configurable.

If you disagree with this, as many seem to, please propose a solution
whereby package maintainers can easily make sure that app-defaults
files are updated to reflect any changes introduced in the upstream
app-defaults file.

Mike.


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mikeb@manressa.com wrote:
> 
> I am encountering an error formatting large partitions (2.8 gb).
> Equipment is a pentium 100, Adaptec 1542CF, DEC DSP5300.
> 
> The drive partitions just fine, then when the debian install program
> tries to read past around 2.1 gb I receive a message "badblocks: Cant
> resolve symbol llseek".
> 
> Also, I receive this message when past this point and writing the
> inode tables, "256/350 mkfs.ext2: Can't resolve symbol llseek"
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what is going on here?
> 
> Thanks for any help,

I do not know why this happens, only that the same thing happend to me
when I tried to format my Quantum Sirrocco 2.5 Gig hard drive.  Around
about the 2.1 gig it starts reporting errors.  I can only assume that
the system cannot handle partitions over 2 gig.

This is not that big a problem as you can use quite a few partitions on
you hard drive.  If you read the debian.FAQ document, it has some guide
lines on what sizes you should make your partitions and what they should
be mounted as.

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:48:06 EDT Kevin Conover (kcppp@rci.rutgers.edu)
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> It installed 2.0.0.  I got everything installed, including X (a
> pain, my #9 Motion 771 likes to shift the screen dramatically). 

For this card, you need to add a
	InvertVCLK "*" 0
for every Display section in every Accel Screen section of your 
/etc/XF86Config.

Phil.






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  Marcus Hightower writes:
  Marcus>  I need a header file named curses.h 

Markus, it's documented in the FAQ as I wrote you some hours ago. So please
do use the Contents or Contents.gz file.

miles:~ [root] # zgrep "curses.h" /mirror/debian/rex/Contents.gz
usr/i486-linuxaout/include/bsd/curses.h                      libc4-dev
usr/i486-linuxaout/include/curses.h                          libc4-dev
usr/include/curses.h                                         ncurses3.0-dev
usr/include/ncurses.h                                        ncurses3.0-dev
usr/include/slang/slcurses.h                                 slang-devel      

In this case you want the ncurses3.0-dev package. 

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> Is there a good reason why all the start stop functions in /etc/init.d =
> are executable by anybody by default. It seems to me that this allows =
> your average user to stop an important system service. Anyone have =
> comments?

Why does it allow your average user to stop an important system service?

If a user runs the scripts, the scripts are executed with the *user*'s
permissions.  Since the user has no authority to (for example) send signals
to a daemon process they don't own, there is no damage they can do.  There's
no difference from the user running the commands in the script manually.
Thus there is no harm in allowing execution by anybody.

				Warwick

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Patrick J. Edwards wrote:
> 
>         It is important to note the following:
> 
> 1. I need a non US and a non Canada Web site, otherwise it would become
> illegal to export Debian without the permission of either government and
> AT&T.
> 


How much space do You need ? 

I can offer my machine and WWW page for the CFS package.
I'm from Poland.

Contact me at ptj@pkpf.if.uj.edu.pl

Regards, Pawel.


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Marcus Hightower wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know where I can find this as86 thing. My kernel wants 
> it during the compile.  Also does the zimage automaticly gets
> installed when
> you do a make zimage or does it just makes it without installation.

You want the bin86 package for the assembler. make zimage just makes
an image. To install it using your lilo.conf, try make zlilo.

Or you could just make-kpkg to roll your own kernel package which
can then be installed using dpkg. 

Ciao,
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> specification.  Tables have also been added (recently) to the standard;
> frames have not.  As such, it's not likely that Mosaic or Lynx will
> support frames in the near future.  (Tables are being added to Mosaic.
>  I don't know the status of tables in Lynx).

Lynx 2.5 [claims it] has tables, although I haven't had much luck ..



hamish


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I checked the article below out - and instead of using the debian 
install I did a  ' mke2fs -b 2048 /dev/sda1'. I also tried a 4k 
block and still received the same results(an lseek error).
Am I doing this correctly?

Mike Bigus
mikeb@manressa.com

> 
>   Johnny>  I do not know why this happens, only that the same thing happend
>   Johnny> to me when I tried to format my Quantum Sirrocco 2.5 Gig hard
>   Johnny> drive.  Around about the 2.1 gig it starts reporting errors.  I can
>   Johnny> only assume that the system cannot handle partitions over 2 gig.
> 
> You need a version of fdisk that as recent as 2.0 or better to support disks
> bigger than 2 GB, for example the fdisk from util-linux-2.5 which says
> 
> 	miles:~ [root] # fdisk -v
> 	fdisk v2.1 (>4GB)     
> 
> As for maximal partition size, read (using altavista or dejanews) the
> newsgroup article with referenced below, it shows how partitions can be as
> large as 959 GB (yes, just under one TB, a million MB). You have to increase
> the block size which becomes a little inefficient at that size ... 
> 
> I cannot recommend few big partitions anyway. Disks do fail, and you're
> better off when it happens on a limited partition, /usr/local say, rather
> than on /. 
> 
> 
> Subject:      Re: Really 2 GB file size limit?
> From:         kris@schulung.netuse.de (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=)
> Date:         1996/07/28
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> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?entf=E4llt?=
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> --
> Dirk Eddelb"uttel                             http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
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you need the xcompat package, the dosemu that is included in debian is 
still aout.

shaya
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On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Marc Weeber wrote:

> Hello Debians,
> 
> I compiled the kernel with the necessary requirements for DOSEMU. I
> installed the debian package and just entered `dos' at the prompt. Result:
> 
> dos: can't find library 'libX11.so.6'
> 
> Well, I do have the library, what went wrong and how can I adjust DOSEMU?
> 
> thanks in advance,
> 
> Marc
> marc@farm.rug.nl
> 
> 


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Martin Stromberg wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Yesterday I tried to install a buzz-fixed system. As the disk I wanted to
> install onto, was a SCSI disk connected to a ncr810, I had to use one of
> the special kernels - number 5 in buzz-fixed/.../disks-i386/special-kernels.
> 
> At the time of the part of installation where the kernel is installed I got
> an error saying something of type of "error in archive".
> 
> Some half hour of checking later I had found out that the modules.tgz files
> on all of the special kernels (.../special-kernels/boot1440_2.0.5-?.bin)
> are corrupt.
> This was done by doing "dd if=boot1440_2.0.5-5.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k
> mcopy a:modules.tgz .
> tar -zvvtpf modules.tgz", where this last step results in an error message
> saying "premature end of file".
> 
> The boot1440_2.0.5-?.bin files was fetched from a mirror, so be really
> sure that I had the latest (and greatest) files I did this check on
> boot1440_2.0.5-3.bin and boot1440_2.0.5-5.bin from the same directory on
> ftp.debian.org as well.
> Same error on those as well.
> 
> This is not a cry for help. I managed to install anyway by un-taring (getting
> the error) and then re-taring the files that was extracted. This lead to
> some interesting choices when selecting modules, such as a module "*"!
> 
> However I think we should correct the erroneous files.
> 
> I know that there has been some other messages regarding this, especially one
> where somebody asked for a better specification of the problem, but I've
> deleted those messages so I dont know who it was that was asking that.
> Please contact me if you want more information.
> 
> Debug mode,
> 
>                 
                                               MartinS
 
This bug still hanging around? Heck I posted a message almost identical
to yours about a month ago. Maybe we should have directed it to the
maintainer of the special kernel boot disks.  I am at work right now
and don't have immediate access to the Packages file. If the maintainer
is reading this please respond.

Steve
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
liw>The problem with my signatures is the I'm using the new PGP/MIME
liw>draft-RFC, while elm probably only understands the older
liw>application/pgp proposal (or plain PGP messages). PGP/MIME separates
liw>the text and the signature in two different MIME parts. Among other
liw>things, this makes it possible to read MIME-typed PGP-signed messages
liw>with MIME-capable but PGP-uncapable readers such as Pine. Linus
liw>used to hate my mail before I started to use PGP/MIME. Another bonus
liw>is that it is possible to sign a multipart message (attachments),
liw>without making things unnecessarily complicated.

[Don't know how to display Application/PGP-SIGNATURE attachments. Try Save.]
so i should have this pgp-mime software to view u're pgp-sig?
and btw.
there are very good scripts for pine that filter the incoming mail and check
the sig, and decrypt . also there are scripts for outgoing mail to sign and
crypt.
take a look:
- -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE ANALYSIS-----
Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3ia+ - Public-key encryption for the masses.
(c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-03-04
International version - not for use in the USA. Does not use RSAREF.
Current time: 1996/09/15 23:24 GMT

File has signature.  Public key is required to check signature.
.
Good signature from user "Lars Wirzenius <wirzeniu@cs.helsinki.fi>".
Signature made 1996/09/08 10:45 GMT using 1024-bit key, key ID 4CBA92D1

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thats one example of automatic sig check when viewing mail
(comp.os.linux.announce :)


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Install the bin86 package.

Dominik
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  Nick>  I installed Debian 1.1 and found that my tex files were no longer
  Nick> leaving a margin at the top of the page.  I traced it to
  Nick> /usr/lib/texmf/dvips/config.ps where a4size was set instead of
  Nick> letter.  

Correct. Also the app-defaults file for xdvi sets a4 paper and deskjet
mode. We really need a script that sets these.

Any takers?

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On Sat, 14 Sep 1996 dkklee@MIT.EDU wrote:


dkklee>(1) when I try to start a window after 'su' to root. I discovered this
dkklee>    can be fixed if I do 'xhost +mymachinename'. How to this automatically?
dkklee>    A line in Xaccess or some /etc/X11/X???.hosts file?
put it into u're xsession 
but don't put `xhost +`!!!!

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> From:          Alex Romosan <alex@juliet.fnal.gov>
> would any one care to enlighten me why the nfs daemons are commented
> out of /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs. i needed to mount a disk off another
> linux machine and i couldn't do it until i turned on the daemons by
> hand. are there any security issues associated with this? the same
> daemons are also commented out of /etc/inetd.conf.

Well if not configured properly (ie proper restrictions) it is 
possible for anyone to mount your drives and then convince your
system that they have root file priveliges.  I saw this on our local
Sun nfs server before I was given root access and fixed it.

IMHO, all network daemons should be disabled by default and the 
sysadmin should have to enable them one by one.  I hate spending
an hour on a new system just turning off things that I don't want 
running.

Andrew 


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I am having difficulty in installing the texbin package:

Here's a transcript of my installation effort via dpkg:

dpkg -i texbin_3.1415-5.deb
(Reading database ... 33461 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace texbin (using texbin_3.1415-5.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement texbin ...
Setting up texbin (3.1415-5) ...
dpkg: error processing texbin (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 texbin

I made sure that I had texlib (>1.0-3), metafont, kpathsea, libc5
(>=5.2.18-1) installed prior to trying the above (depends for texbin).
If anyone could give me a pointer on how to correct this situation, I'd
greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

                                     Nick

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  Marcus Hightower writes:
  Marcus>  Does anybody know where I can find this as86 thing.

See the Debian FAQ (from the doc-debian package, or the ftp site)

  7.4.  How can I find out what package produced a particular file?

  To identify the package that produced the file named foo execute
  either:

  o  dpkg -S filename.

     This searches through the lists of installed files.  This is
     (currently) equivalent to searching all of the files having the
     file extension of .list in the directory /var/lib/dpkg/info/.

  o  grep foo Contents, or zgrep foo Contents.gz.

     This searches for files which contain the substring foo in their
     full path names.  The files Contents and Contents.gz reside in the
     major package directories (Debian-1.1, non-free, contrib, etc.)  at
     a Debian FTP site. A Contents file refers only to the packages in
     the subdirectory tree where it resides.  Therefore, a user might
     have to search more than one Contents files to find the package
     containing the file foo.                                     

Hence:
	miles:~ [root] # zgrep as86 /mirror/debian/rex/Contents.gz
	usr/bin/as86                                                 bin86
so you have to install the bin86 package.

  Marcus>   Also does the zimage automaticly gets installed when you do a
  Marcus> make zimage or does it just makes it without installation.

Use the kernel-package from the rex/binary-all/misc directory. It will build
a .deb file with your kernel and install it all for you (you need to read
some doc, though).

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>>>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:58:03 -0700, David_Oswald@prenhall.com said:
>      Q1? Can someone please tell me how to set fvwm2 as the default window  
>          manager.
     
I believe the system uses whatever comes first in the list in
/etc/window-managers.  I have fvwm2 first in the list, and that's what I get
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Justin Stodola wrote:
> 
> Ok, X works ok, with one annoying problem:  Down the left hand
> side of the screen is a fairly narrow(~.25 inch) band of increased
> intensity that makes anything that fall within it unreadable. This
> occurs in all video modes with resolutions higher than 640x480.

> Anyone have any suggestions?

Most likely, that bright band is caused by retrace, which is from the
electron beam coming on too soon.  A few minor adjustments in the
XF86Config file will take care of that.

There's a good document on making these adjustments.  On a Slackware
system, it's /var/X11R6/lib/doc/VideoModes.doc; don't know where it
hides on a Debian system.

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Christian Schwarz <schwarz@monet.m.isar.de> writes:
> Well, couldn't the files in app-defaults be marked as config files
> ("DEBIAN/conffiles") in the packages?

Only if you want Ian Jackson to post a bug report against your
package---conffiles do not belong in /usr.

Please look at /usr/doc/X11/debian.README for the proper procedure for
making system-wide changes to application default values.

Mike.


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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

> liw> [snip crap about MIME/PGP]
> [snip more crap]
> and btw.
> there are very good scripts for pine that filter the incoming mail and check
> the sig, and decrypt . also there are scripts for outgoing mail to sign and
> crypt.
> take a look:
> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE ANALYSIS-----
> -----MIDDLE PGP MESSAGE ANALYSIS-----
> -----END PGP MESSAGE ANALYSIS-----

Yeah.  These are made by lilo and patched for me.  Now I sent these
scripts back to lilo to solve a security problem (well not a big one,
actually, but still ok).  If you want to get them (the insecure version),
mail vadik@arbornet.org with subject "get pgppine".

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Justin Stodola (jestod00@service1.uky.edu) wrote:
: Ok, X works ok, with one annoying problem:  Down the left hand
: side of the screen is a fairly narrow(~.25 inch) band of increased
: intensity that makes anything that fall within it unreadable. This
: occurs in all video modes with resolutions higher than 640x480.

[description of Monitor and graphics card deleted]

: Anyone have any suggestions?
Yes. The blank signal after the horizontal sync may be to short for
your monitor. 
You have to edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config.
Increase the fifth number of the modeline by about 32. 
(You can experiment which value yields the best result.)
An example:
Assume the modeline in question looks like this:
Modeline "800x600"     70     800  876  1020 1164   600  600  618  625 +hsync +vsync
then increase this number ------------------>^^^^

Alternatively it may be sufficient to shift the image to the right by using
the control elements of your monitor.

Hope this helps,
Chris
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> > If you disagree with this, as many seem to, please propose a solution
> > whereby package maintainers can easily make sure that app-defaults
> > files are updated to reflect any changes introduced in the upstream
> > app-defaults file.
> 
> Well, couldn't the files in app-defaults be marked as config files
> ("DEBIAN/conffiles") in the packages? Then dpkg creates checksums of these
> files and when a package is updated, it can be replaced (if there were no
> changes) or it can ask the user what he wants to do with it (replace,
> leave under different name, i.e. add .dpkg-dist extension).

The original point was that if these are editable at all, they shouldn't
be on a read-only filesystem (as /usr is allowed to be).

Personally, since these are _defaults_ that are intended to be overridden
by user configuration, I think they are fine where they are.  These
programs are not system utilities that need to be configured.  These
are just defaults and there are documented ways for a user to change
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In article <23D861F0.@prenhall.com> David_Oswald@prenhall.com writes:

>      Q2? Is there a deb install package for olwm/olvwm and those related    
>          apps that go along with it? (such as the slackware install has)

The xview-clients package contains olwm. There is no olvwm package
available yet (and nobody declared to work on one).

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Just curious. I need it, found an xcolors package that I cannot use (the
first reason being that I can't handle a window of 932x2246 on my 1152x900
display!), but no xcolorsel package.

Yves.

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On Sep 16,  8:48pm, Christian Schwarz wrote:
} Subject: Re: Shouldn't go app-defaults in /etc/X11?
} 
} Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@calder.med.miami.edu> writes:
} > If you disagree with this, as many seem to, please propose a solution
} > whereby package maintainers can easily make sure that app-defaults
} > files are updated to reflect any changes introduced in the upstream
} > app-defaults file.
} 
} Well, couldn't the files in app-defaults be marked as config files
} ("DEBIAN/conffiles") in the packages?
} 
} I think all this is done automatically by dpkg now (at least in the
} newest revision of dpkg). I've seen this working with a few other
} packages, since I upgraded to "unstable" a few days ago.

That wouldn't resolve Michael's problem: assume I change my
app-defaults file for SomeApp, just to adjust colors to my tastes.
Then comes a new release of SomeApp, with new features controlled by X
resources that are in the app-defaults file. What will dpkg do, then?
Propose me to keep my modified file (1), or replace it (2).

If (1) changes are that I loose the ability to use the new feature
because the app-defaults file lacks some defaults (in most cases the
app will even not run).

If (2) I get the new feature but lose my colors changes.

It is extremely hard to update a changed file automatically (don't
talk about patch, please, this works only if the organization of the
file didn't change), so the best way is effectively to make resources
mofifications *outside* of the app-defaults file to keep them local
and still be able to upgrade nicely.

Yves.


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On 16 Sep 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> master.debian.org is down since Sunday. Any plans to bring it back up?
> 
> yggdrasil.com is also down (Even the DNS Servers are not reachable!) and
> is the gateway from the usnet linux.debian.user group to the mailing list.
> Can we establish alternate gateways so that at least the usenet groups
> will still work?

Could be a problem with your 'bit' of the net. From here, both are up as I
speak. Check again...

  Christian



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In article <199609131347.JAA31938@slproute.manressa.com> you write:
>I am encountering an error formatting large partitions (2.8 gb). 
>Equipment is a pentium 100, Adaptec 1542CF, DEC DSP5300.
>
>The drive partitions just fine, then when the debian install program 
>tries to read past around 2.1 gb I receive a message "badblocks: Cant 
>resolve symbol llseek".
>
>Also, I receive this message when past this point and writing the 
>inode tables, "256/350 mkfs.ext2: Can't resolve symbol llseek"
>
>Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? 

The install discs have a slimmed-down version of C library on them to
allow the rest of the installation system to fit. In the process of
slimming libc, bits have been missed out: it seems like llseek() is
one of the functions that have been purged.

Please could you file a bug against the installation discs virtual package?
(I would do it myself, only I can't remember the exact name).

Austin


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Hi,

I've just installed the X11 distribution (xbase, xserver-s3 and xfntbase).
When I try startx it comes back with "no mouse found" or a message to that
effect.

I am using a Dell P120t with a bus mouse connected to the on board
interface. I see quit a few "mouse" devices in /dev. Which one is active?
How can I extract this information without having to turn to the experts?

A minor observation on the Web sites I have looked at so far with respect
Linux and Debian. From my point of view as a UNIX user,
DOS/Windows/Embedded programmer there is very little on-line information
available that I can make sense of. Probably in 6 months time I'll
understand about half of it.... Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places,
maybe the philosophy is only those who know can learn, maybe I don't have
the right IQ, but the fact is that up till now I have come up to a brick
wall. The information available in the HOWTOs is very good, but from an
initial startup point of view, if things go wrong I need to browse through
a couple of MB of data, not very productive.

As I said, maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, please any advice that
may be advantageous.

"Simon Martin"<smartin@reuna.cl>

"Old software engineers never die, they just fail to boot"

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Run the program xvidtune, tune your monitor to look like you want it to,
and then push the "Show" button.  Copy the output from xvidtune to the
/etc/X11/XF86Config to replace the current settings for the adjusted
video modes.
 -Erik
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Justin Stodola wrote:
> 
> Ok, X works ok, with one annoying problem:  Down the left hand
> side of the screen is a fairly narrow(~.25 inch) band of increased
> intensity that makes anything that fall within it unreadable. This
> occurs in all video modes with resolutions higher than 640x480.
> 
> My hardware:
> STB Powergraph 64 Video(S3 Trio64V+ Chipset)
> MAG DX17F Monitor(30-64kHz Horizontal, 50-100Hz Vertical)
> 
> I am using the xserver-s3, and configured for the S3 Trio64 chipset.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Justin Stodola
> Senior-Physics Dept. U of Ky
> jestod00@pop.uky.edu
> jestod00@mik.uky.edu


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Hi Marcus --

(From section 5.7 of the FAQ:)
"Debian-1.1.x, a.k.a. "stable" and "buzz-fixed": A copy of the the 
current release with the updates applied. The minor number is changed 
whenever new updates are added."

I'd agree that a search engine front end to the FAQ would be helpful.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann


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> There's a good document on making these adjustments.  On a Slackware
> system, it's /var/X11R6/lib/doc/VideoModes.doc; don't know where it
> hides on a Debian system.

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/html/VideoModes.html

Gerry


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Hi Derek --

You asked:
> How is the X authorization set up in Debian?

Lukas Nellen provided a nice answer to this a while ago.  I'm just repeating
it here:

> 
> I am running xdm and I discovered that only the login user can
> start an X window. There are 2 situations when I cannot start a 
> X window:
> (1) when I try to start a window after 'su' to root. I discovered this
>     can be fixed if I do 'xhost +mymachinename'. How to this automatically?
>     A line in Xaccess or some /etc/X11/X???.hosts file?
Below is a solution for users of startx.  If you want to run xdm, then
you'll have to replace the 2nd file mentioned with an appropriate file
for xdm (It's whatever file starts up xdm.)

Create 2 files in /usr/local/bin.

File #1 is called "mkcookie".  Here are its contents:
-------Start of mkcookie ------ cut here-------------------------
#!/bin/sh
# create a magic cookie for X11
# From Lukas Nellen <lukas@teorica0.ifisicacu.unam.mx>

if [ -z "$1" ]; then
    display=0
else
    display=$1
fi

cookie=`ps auxwwee | md5sum`
xauth add :$display MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 $cookie
xauth add `hostname`:$display MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 $cookie
-------End   of mkcookie ------ cut here-------------------------

File #2 is called "startx".  Here are its contents:
-------Start of startx  ------ cut here-------------------------
#!/bin/sh
# From Lukas Nellen <lukas@teorica0.ifisicacu.unam.mx>
mkcookie
exec xinit -- -auth $HOME/.Xauthority
-------End   of startx  ------ cut here-------------------------

If you're trying to execute an X command as root from a display owned by
user, then as root execute these commands:

ln -s /home/user/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority
export DISPLAY=`hostname`:0    <== this is a bash-ism; you may want 
                                   sentenv for csh.

> (2) after establishing a PPP connection to my service provider and 
>     changing my hostname (I have only a dynamic IP address from my ISP).
>     Here I suppose there is nothing I can do except do xhost from my ip-up
>     script after fixing (1).

Guy Maor suggested the following addition to your /etc/ppp/ip-up script:

--cut--
#
# edit /etc/hosts
#
myip=$4
myname=`nslookup $myip | sed -n 's/Name: *\(.*\)/\1/p'`
sed -e "/femto/s/.*/$myip       $myname femto/" /etc/hosts > /tmp/hosts
mv -f /tmp/hosts /etc/hosts
chmod +r /etc/hosts
--cut--

Note that the big space on the sed line is a tab, but it's just for
readability.

Then put your machine's name on the /etc/hosts the first time with a
bogus address.  Don't put it in the loopback line; and replace femto
aboce with whatever your machine's name is.  My /etc/hosts looks like
this for example:
127.0.0.1       loopback localhost
128.83.111.163  slip-33-3.ots.utexas.edu femto
128.83.204.246  telesys1.ots.utexas.edu telesys1 telesys
128.83.185.40   ns1.utexas.edu
128.83.185.41   ns2.utexas.edu


============================================================
Hope that helps.
Susan Kleinmann


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> Yes. The blank signal after the horizontal sync may be to short for
> your monitor. 
> You have to edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config.
> Increase the fifth number of the modeline by about 32. 
> (You can experiment which value yields the best result.)
> An example:
> Assume the modeline in question looks like this:
> Modeline "800x600"     70     800  876  1020 1164   600  600  618  625 +hsync +vsync
> then increase this number ------------------>^^^^

The program "xvidtune" may be of benefit here to help you tweek these
values.

Gerry


