Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

From: [email-masked] (Bill Roman)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT)

I refuse to believe that it takes a 4.5 MB executable (no, it's not
statically linked) to have a useful X web browser.

I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
one thing).  I also tried arena (beta-3), but it seems, well, like
there's substantial room for improvement in the stability department,
but W3C is not planning on supporting it long term.

What is everyone else using?  Since this could generate a lot of traffic,
perhaps it would be appropriate just to mail me directly, and I'll
summarize to the list.

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From: Boris Beletsky <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 22:19:57 +0300 (IDT)

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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Bill Roman wrote:

roman>I refuse to believe that it takes a 4.5 MB executable (no, it's not
roman>statically linked) to have a useful X web browser.
roman>
roman>I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
roman>one thing).  I also tried arena (beta-3), but it seems, well, like
roman>there's substantial room for improvement in the stability department,
roman>but W3C is not planning on supporting it long term.
roman>
roman>What is everyone else using?  Since this could generate a lot of traffic,
roman>perhaps it would be appropriate just to mail me directly, and I'll
roman>summarize to the list.

use lynx
fast , small , simple , and useful :)
/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems/www/lynx2-5.binelf.tgz

Enjoy!

borik
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From: Mark Eichin <[email-masked]>
Date: 08 Sep 1996 21:34:53 -0400

don't forget "amaya", w3c's replacement for arena.  (Then again, if I
want *information* I use lynx or emacs w3. emacs w3 is often more
convenient in conjunction with gnus and All Things Emacs; lynx is a
lot faster and easy for standalone use... and it's a rather nice ftp
client :-)

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From: "Christopher R. Hertel" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:42:06 -0500

On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
> Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
:
: I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
: one thing).

Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
out

    http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/

I agree that Mosaic 2.7b5 is a bit of a problem.  The developers
themselves call it "large and hacked".  They are working on version
2.8, which will be a major rewrite and will support the HTML 3.2 spec.
 See the comments in the 2.7b5 release notes:
 http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/XMosaic/help-on-version-2.7b5.html#about

Hope that's of use...

Chris -)-----

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From: Marcelo Zacarias <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:16:01 -0300 (BSB)

> : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for

I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

Marcelo.

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From: Shaya Potter <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:50:14 -0400 (EDT)

If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, they were a 
Mosiac'ism.

Shaya
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From: Boris Beletsky <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:02:57 +0300 (IDT)

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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

spotter>
spotter>If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, 

Golden words!

spotter>they were a Mosiac'ism.

well.. then consider me a Lynx'ist.

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From: [email-masked] (Ronald van Loon)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:45:16 +0200 (MET DST)

|"On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
|"> Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
|":
|": I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
|": one thing).
|"
|"Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
|"the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
|"out
|"
|"    http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/

This URL gives an "Access forbidden" error.

Ronald van Loon ([email-masked])

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From: Juri Pakaste <[email-masked]>
Date: 10 Sep 1996 11:43:34 +0300

>>>>> "MZ" == Marcelo Zacarias <[email-masked]> writes:

 MZ> I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
 MZ> it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

Grail really is pretty good. IIRC, it also ate up over 10 megs of
memory when I tested it.

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Juri Pakaste/[email-masked]

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From: "Christopher R. Hertel" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:49:30 -0500

On Sep 9,  7:50pm, Shaya Potter wrote:
> Subject: Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
:
: If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, they were a
: Mosiac'ism.

I don't know the history of it, but I'll take your word.  In any case,
minimal support for inline graphics are now part of the HTML
specification.  Tables have also been added (recently) to the standard;
frames have not.  As such, it's not likely that Mosaic or Lynx will
support frames in the near future.  (Tables are being added to Mosaic.
 I don't know the status of tables in Lynx).

That leaves only a short list of commercial browsers, and that was
really my point.  (Actually, I don't know of any other commercial
browsers that run on Linux and support frames.)

Chris -)-----

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From: Hamish Moffatt <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:47:06 +1000 (EST)

>  I don't know the status of tables in Lynx).

Lynx 2.5 [claims it] has tables, although I haven't had much luck ..

hamish