Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #230
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 03:13:03 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #230, Volume #6           Wed, 15 Sep 93 03:13:03 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Removing Linux (Zack Evans)
  Re: NEW Products for Linux users from JANA Publishing (Danny ter Haar)
  need help with login (Sang Kim)
  CC / GCC Problem (Dave Rollings)
  Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VLB 2MB (Chuck Wheelus)
  Help: Linux Swap (Heon J. Jo)
  Networking Linux via AppleTalk? (James W Abendschan)
  Re: Help: Linux Swap (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: CC / GCC Problem (Rich Mulvey)
  Re: need help with login (Rich Mulvey)
  Re: Help: Linux Swap (Rich Mulvey)
  [Help] 2nd try - Bad start-of-data in partition 1. (Kevin Adams)
  Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
  Re: xlock under pl12 (Rolf Schirmacher)
  DOSEMU - new-user-type questions (LONG) (Chip Gregory)
  X (Peter P Chiu)
  weird fdisk on slackware bootdisk (Peter Berger)
  Re: need help with login (Harley Privitera)
  Using ms-dos compression and linux (travis jensen)
  Re: BBS package (Steve M. Robbins)
  Re: NEW Products for Linux users from JANA Publishing (Vince Skahan)

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From: [email-masked] (Zack Evans)
Subject: Re: Removing Linux
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 18:53:52 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Gary Anderson <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Brian, if you're trying to go back to dos, try the following:
>1.) Boot up from a DOS system diskette.
>2.) Do a 'format c: /MBR' to put a new master boot record in the boot sector.

Wrong, actually. You mean _fdisk_ /mbr.

Zack
--
Zack Evans        [email-masked] or [email-masked]

UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things,
as that would also stop them from doing clever things.

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From: [email-masked] (Danny ter Haar)
Subject: Re: NEW Products for Linux users from JANA Publishing
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:15:09 

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Info) writes:
>NEW Products And Services from JANA PUBLISHING.
>
>CD-ROM Publishing : Every other month we will take software from
>our archive site and put that on a CD-ROM and mail it to you.
>This CD-ROM will also contains comp.os.linux.* articles also. We
>will not compress them so it can be read directly out of the
>CD-ROM using software such as tin.
>\
YES YES YES, I always wanted to be on a CD-ROM, LOOK MUMMY !!

_____
Danny
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Danny ter Haar  <[email-masked]> or <[email-masked]>
PHILIPS DCC: combining the disadvantages of cd-rom's and tapes

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From: [email-masked] (Sang Kim)
Subject: need help with login
Date: 14 Sep 1993 15:25:22 -0400

I installed Linux SLS 1.03 last night and logged in as "root"
and decided to change the /etc/passwd file and change "root" to "kims" and
change my home directory as well.  I also changed my shell to tcsh using chsh.
I tried to login with "kims" but there is a problem.  It can't find tcsh.
and it won't let me log in.
btw, I never set any password for "root" or "kims" and so when I tried to
logon as kims it never asked me for a password.  Is that supposed to happen?
I have the disks so that I can reinstall Linux, but I thought I'd ask here
first.

-- 
Sang Kim             |    "How come we play war and not peace?"       
[email-masked]       |    "Too few role models."   
                     |               -- Calvin & Hobbes   (Bill Watterson)

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From: Dave Rollings <[email-masked]>
Subject: CC / GCC Problem
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:36:08 GMT

I have recently purchased SLS 1.02 from a local dealer, to learn Unix 
and produce C Programs.

I am having problems getting GCC or CC to compile very simple C Programs.
Should there be a linker or make program? 

Also should there be include files such as stdio.h and stdin.h as with
usual C
compilers? Again I have installed the GCC Package only to find quite a
few 
usual .h files missing.

Does anybody know where I am going wrong?
Any replies either through this news group or E-Mail would be appreciated.

=================================
Dave Rollings
GEC Plessey Semiconductors
Lincoln. United Kingdom.
email: [email-masked]
=================================

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From: [email-masked] (Chuck Wheelus)
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VLB 2MB
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:45:28 GMT

C.A. Peskin ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Ok, so it looks like I have have decided to dump the Diamond Viper VLB.
: Looks like the company is a pain to deal with, and does not promote the
: freedom if information.  How compatable is ATI's Graphics Ultra Pro VLB
: w/2MB of ram with Linux?   

it runs very well....i am very happy with my ATI's Graphics Ultra Pro VLB
i highly recommend it.

long live linux!!!

--

       Charles Wheelus       
       [email-masked] 

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From: [email-masked] (Heon J. Jo)
Subject: Help: Linux Swap
Date: 14 Sep 1993 20:55:37 GMT

well.. I'm pretty sure this is an FAQ but...
I can't have my swap turned on when Linux boots up..
I must type manually 'swapon /dev/hda3' to turn my swap on.
is there a way to set my swap file turned on every time I boot Linux?
thanks for your help...

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From: [email-masked] (James W Abendschan)
Subject: Networking Linux via AppleTalk?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 21:08:39 GMT

Does anyone know if Linux supports the LocalTalk PC card?  I'm going to
be getting a 486 RSN and would like to net it to my Mac, without having
to spend $400+ on thinnet cards/adapters for both of them.

On a similar note, does anyone have an old Gatorbox they'd like to get
rid of?   :-)

Responses via email are preferred.

James

-- 
$10C3: back to your quiet nightmares

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Help: Linux Swap
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 23:09:12 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Heon J. Jo <[email-masked]> wrote:
>well.. I'm pretty sure this is an FAQ but...
>I can't have my swap turned on when Linux boots up..
>I must type manually 'swapon /dev/hda3' to turn my swap on.
>is there a way to set my swap file turned on every time I boot Linux?
>thanks for your help...

No problem. Two ways to do it.

1) add this line to your /etc/fstab file

/dev/hda3       swap    swap    defaults

2) Put the swapon command in you /etc/rc.local file.

Hope this helps,

BAJ
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Rich Mulvey)
Subject: Re: CC / GCC Problem
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:22:45 EDT

Dave Rollings <[email-masked]> writes:

> I have recently purchased SLS 1.02 from a local dealer, to learn Unix 
> and produce C Programs.
> 
> I am having problems getting GCC or CC to compile very simple C Programs.
> Should there be a linker or make program?

  Yes, you should at least have gotten a linker.  Make is optional,
although useful.

> 
> Also should there be include files such as stdio.h and stdin.h as with
> usual C
> compilers? Again I have installed the GCC Package only to find quite a
> few 
> usual .h files missing.
>
   Yes, they should also be included.  The standard place for them is in
/usr/include.

> Does anybody know where I am going wrong?

   I'd love to tell you, but you need to provide more details than just
'I am having problems.'  Tell us *specifically* what is happening, and
you'll get answers.

> Any replies either through this news group or E-Mail would be appreciated.

   Please direct all followup questions to comp.os.linux.help.

- Rich
--
Rich Mulvey            Amateur Radio: N2VDS            787 Elmwood Terrace
[email-masked]    "Ignorance should be painful."      Rochester, NY 14620

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From: [email-masked] (Rich Mulvey)
Subject: Re: need help with login
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:26:07 EDT

[email-masked] (Sang Kim) writes:

> I installed Linux SLS 1.03 last night and logged in as "root"
> and decided to change the /etc/passwd file and change "root" to "kims" and
> change my home directory as well.  I also changed my shell to tcsh using chsh
> .
> I tried to login with "kims" but there is a problem.  It can't find tcsh.
> and it won't let me log in.

   Did you specify the complete path to tcsh?

> btw, I never set any password for "root" or "kims" and so when I tried to
> logon as kims it never asked me for a password.  Is that supposed to happen?

   Wait... you said in the first paragraph that you did.  Which is it?

   I suspect that your problem is that your system is using shadow
passwords, and you tried to modify /etc/passwd.  Instead of editing the
files directly, use the 'usermod' command.  It's *much* easier and
faster.

- Rich

--
Rich Mulvey            Amateur Radio: N2VDS            787 Elmwood Terrace
[email-masked]    "Ignorance should be painful."      Rochester, NY 14620

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From: [email-masked] (Rich Mulvey)
Subject: Re: Help: Linux Swap
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:44:30 EDT

[email-masked] (Heon J. Jo) writes:

> well.. I'm pretty sure this is an FAQ but...
> I can't have my swap turned on when Linux boots up..
> I must type manually 'swapon /dev/hda3' to turn my swap on.
> is there a way to set my swap file turned on every time I boot Linux?
> thanks for your help...
>

   Insert the command into your rc.local file.

   - Rich

--
Rich Mulvey            Amateur Radio: N2VDS            787 Elmwood Terrace
[email-masked]    "Ignorance should be painful."      Rochester, NY 14620

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Adams)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: [Help] 2nd try - Bad start-of-data in partition 1.
Date: 14 Sep 1993 23:54:28 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Kevin Adams)

I get the following warning when I do an fdisk verify.

        Warning: Bad start-of-data in partition 1

Can anyone tell me how to fix it and also what causes it?
Thanx MUCHLY!!!

-K-

ps. Ok, this is my second post.
-- 

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From: [email-masked] (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Date: 14 Sep 93 10:19:41 GMT

Are we missing anything here when talking about performance?
Besides the factors of CPU speed, local bus and memory size,
the performance is also very much dependent on the memory
access patterns in the benchmark/application programs. Unless
we use the same code to test different machines, the result
would not hold in every sense. That's often the trick played
by the dealers and manufacturers, I believe.

So you guys may pass on the test programs to each other and
run it on different machines. Then the result may tell you
a bit more. 

Yi Qin
Oxford
UK

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From: [email-masked] (Rolf Schirmacher )
Subject: Re: xlock under pl12
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 00:24:41 GMT

John Fauerbach ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I upgrade to pl12 from Slackware and my xlock will not work right.  It
: keeps givien me an invaild password when I enter my password.  Any ideas?

: John Fauerbach

Although I am still working with pl9, the problem sounds quite familiar:
your xlock can't deal with the shadow-password-suite (I suppose your xdm 
doesn't work either). There should be new versions on the canonical servers
and perhaps Slackware will be cleaned up ?

Rolf Schirmacher

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From: [email-masked] (Chip Gregory)
Subject: DOSEMU - new-user-type questions (LONG)
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:35:56 GMT

I am running SLS 1.03 on a 386 33mh with a trident
8900c.  I have a 125 mb hardrive configured as c:,
a 1.44 mb 3" as a:, and a 5" as b:.  The hardrive is
partitioned as 32 mb DOS as hda1, 8mb swap as hda2,
and the rest as hda3 (ext2).  I boot native DOS (5.0)
from c:.  I boot linux from a:.  I am NOT using LILO.

Notes/Questions:

1.) I first configured DOSEMU to run from an "hdimage"
file.  I did not like having my DOS partition as drive D.
I then configured it to run from a "diskimage" file.
My disk image is drive A, I skipped my 3 inch, my 5 inch 
is drive B, my DOS partition is drive C (EMU), and my
linux / is drive D (EMU).

Any way to boot DOSEMU and keep a: as a:, b: as b:, etc.?

2.) Quicken 6.0 fails when I start it up.  I found that if
I start it as "q > q.msg" it comes up ok.  Quicken wants to
remind me to do backups and this messages seems to cause
problems for DOSEMU.  The Quicken graphs are close - with
the labels a little screwed up.  I have NOT tried to work on
graphics parameters.  I specified "trident and 1024" in the
config.  I also got XMS to work and am loading everything high
(DOS, doskey, and mouse).  EMS gave me an error "Can not set
line A20" or something like that.

Recommendation of XMS versus EMS?
Ideas on EMS error about line A20?

3.) DOS edit doesn't work.  It comes up.  I can type stuff
in the edit area, but when I pull down a menu, a get a DOSEMU
debug message "ERROR:  InsKeyboard could not put key in buffer". 

???

4.) Telix came up, initialized my modem, and I dialed myself
on the phone and properly registered a busy signal.  After I
exited Telix, it seemed my keyboard buffer was screwed up.
Almost as if "local echo" stayed on - very strange.

Any ideas?

5.) Automap (a very detailed graphic depiction of the US with
roads, geographical highlights, etc.) worked well.  It was very
slow, but everything seemed ok, including the mouse, (it must have
it's own mouse driver).

6.) I do not understand the mouse or the ports parameters.  I
know the doc says that the mouse doesn't work. I tried the MS
mouse driver, and it could not find the mouse.  I tried the Artec
driver, and it loaded, but I do not think it actually loaded
properly.  I ran the Artec test program and screams came out of
the speaker but no mouse activity.

???

Thanks in advance,
- Chip

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From: [email-masked] (Peter P Chiu)
Subject: X
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 02:12:09 GMT

Hi,

I am running SLS 1.03 with X, Diamond Speedstar Pro, NEC 3FGx monitor.
I can run X at 640x480 and 800x600 without modifying Xconfig but i get
problems when trying to run X at 1024x768.

can anyone please help me?

please send mail to [email-masked] directly.

thanks

-- 
      .&______~*@*~______&.       m                    Peter Chiu
    "w/%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\w"    mmm***      Washington University, St. Louis
      `Y""Y""Y"""""Y""Y""Y'      mm*****           [email-masked]
   p-p_|__|__|_____|__|__|_q-q   mm**Y**     275 Union Blvd, #711, St. Louis,
_-[EEEEM==M==MM===MM==M==MEEEE]-_.|..|.... Missouri 63108       (314) 367-3599

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Berger)
Subject: weird fdisk on slackware bootdisk
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 11:03:06 +0200

[email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding) wrote:

 > This problem has been fixed. Thanks for the bug report
 > (and 'scuze the nasty bug :^)

So. Well. Another think which is a little weird on the bootdisk.gz (9.9.93).

The fdisk seems to be a somehow broken version.

Description of "problem":

1. Setting up the first primary partition with first cylinder 1 gives
following output when looking at the table:

            Begin       Start       End
/dev/hdb    1           1           xxxxx       Linux native
        phys=(0,0,2) should be (0,1,1)

What's about that? Never got this before (SLS-bootdisks).

2. If there already a first primary partition set up, and one starts to set up
a second one this fdisk doesn't recognizes that there's already some cylinders
in use.

It still gives [1-xxxx] as cylinders to choose from... No problem for me but I
can be one for beginners...

What I'm interested in now, is what fdisk is this? (I mean from
what package? So I can avoid ever trying this version...).

bye,
    Peter

E-Mail: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Harley Privitera)
Subject: Re: need help with login
Date: 15 Sep 1993 04:21:03 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Harley Privitera)

>>>>> On 14 Sep 1993 15:25:22 -0400, [email-masked] (Sang Kim) said:

Sang> I installed Linux SLS 1.03 last night and logged in as "root"
Sang> and decided to change the /etc/passwd file and change "root" to
Sang> "kims" and change my home directory as well.  I also changed my
Sang> shell to tcsh using chsh.  I tried to login with "kims" but
Sang> there is a problem.  It can't find tcsh.  and it won't let me
Sang> log in.  btw, I never set any password for "root" or "kims" and
Sang> so when I tried to logon as kims it never asked me for a
Sang> password.  Is that supposed to happen?  I have the disks so that
Sang> I can reinstall Linux, but I thought I'd ask here first.

Did you replace the root account with the kims account? I'd imagine
that setuid programs will stop working if the root account were to go
away or have it's uid set <> 0, and this will cause problems (for
example, login is setuid, and it doesn't work on your system anymore).

/harley
--
Harley Privitera                        Internet: [email-masked]
Digital Equipment Corp.                 UUCP:     ...!decwrl!shr.dec.com!harley
333 South St                            Voice:    (508) 841-2087
Shrewsbury, MA 01545-4112               #include  std.disclaimer

"Bureaucracy is the process of turning energy into solid waste" - Dave Cutler

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From: [email-masked] (travis jensen)
Subject: Using ms-dos compression and linux
Date: 14 Sep 93 23:34:22 MDT

I have a question regarding compressing my dos partition
and using linux.  Can it be done?  Of course, I realize
that I would lose access to the dos files from linux, but
other than that, would it work?

Thanks in advance.

Travis

-- 
Travis A. Jensen                
[email-masked]  (preferred)
[email-masked]  (next best)
"My elelator! Not your elelator, my elelator!!"--Baby Plucky Duck

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From: [email-masked] (Steve M. Robbins)
Subject: Re: BBS package
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:02:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Guru Aleph_Null) writes:

[ I agree with your approach to a BBS, btw, and am working on the same
thing, as are a few other posters here it seems ]

>This is a problem, I haven't figured out an easy way for the BBS to
>create new accounts on the fly. I guess it may have to do something
>like check for a specific login name or something. That's something to
>look into, in the future.

I've got a perl script that does this -- creates accounts for people after
they enter a username and password.  It's a bit rough, but uses a perl 
library I wrote for dealing with /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} and another
for locking files to make sure two people don't try to update them at the
same time.

The libraries could be useful in their own right: I'm using the 'passwd.pl' 
library for other things like a 'passwd/chsh/chfn' program to change one's 
password, shell or full name (gecos).  It works quite well; the library 
detects whether you use shadow passwords or not and does the right thing.

My lockfile library is also in use by other things, notably an offline mail
and news packer (does QWK and a 'raw' format right now, SOUP is coming up).

Any of this stuff is free for those who want it -- just write me.

-- steve z

-- 
Steve Robbins  --  [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: NEW Products for Linux users from JANA Publishing
Date: 14 Sep 1993 18:29:23 -0700

[email-masked] (Info) writes:

>CD-ROM Publishing : Every other month we will take software from
>our archive site and put that on a CD-ROM and mail it to you.
>This CD-ROM will also contains comp.os.linux.* articles also. We
>will not compress them so it can be read directly out of the
>CD-ROM using software such as tin.

>NOV-DEC : This will be the disk from our archive site. This will
>include Slackware, SLS and any other linux software that out
>there. Also you can install Linux directly from this CD-ROM.

please do not include the garbage noise from c.o.l.* on the same
CD that has all the fine software you'll be mirroring from the
Linux archive sites.  If you want to make a 100% noise CD of
c.o.l. postings, feel free to make a separate CD for it.

You'll have my order in a heartbeat after the Nov/Dec CD is available
unless it's all full with USENET postings. I'd be real interested
in getting (yes, paying for) a CD mirror of the archives however.
But not if the USENET noise is on the linux archive CD...

-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- [email-masked] -------------
          "I want to be like Barbie - that B____ has everything"
                                          - Tee-shirt seen in Philadelphia

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