Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #254
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 15:13:14 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #254, Volume #6           Thu, 23 Sep 93 15:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Rick Slater)
  Re: running X appl. by modem ? (William_F._Mitchell)
  Problemes with SLS 1.03 Install  ([email-masked] (Rachid BELMOUHOUB ))
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Daniel Garcia)
  Re: SLS/Slackware/What?  (Byron A Jeff)
  Setting up user accts. (Thomas J Bilan)
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Kees Metzger)
  xxgdb problem? (Josep Mulet Mestre. Dpto. Algebra)
  Is there a Pascal Compiler for linux? (Joe Garber)
  Audio CD player (Graeme Perrow)
  HELP on uugetty. Won't reset after lost connection! (Brian Pedranti)
  SmartHost with SMail? (John S. Roberts Jr.)
  Re: xxgdb problem? (manuel Toledo-Quinones)
  Re: SML for Linux? (David S. Fox)
  Re: [Q] Comments on my configuration of PC please... (Rusty Carruth)
  Driver for NE2100 ethernetboard available? (Georg Strolka)
  X11 for Linux on hp-Vectra? (Georg Strolka)
  Re: about the GCC package .. (Zack Evans)

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From: [email-masked] (Rick Slater)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: 23 Sep 1993 09:39:59 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rick Slater)

[email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes:

|> It has seemed to me that my Linux system at home (X and GCC running in
|> a 15mb partition, on a 386-40, with room to spare) is faster than the
|> SUN IPC workstations I use at school.  I can only offer subjective 
|> speculation though, ie. time for a xterm to open, etc... 
|> 
|> I was wondering, if anyone has done benchmarks between the two for
|> various processors.  I am not saying that Linux is better, it still
|> has a ways to go before it can match the all around appeal of the SUN.
|> 

I've run several "benchmarks" on both a 486DX-33 and a Sun IPC with the
overall result that the PC was in the same ballpark as the Sun.  The
benchmarks were:  Drystone test, whetstone test, and a large TeX file
that came with the SLS distribution (gentle.tex).  The PC went from
a .tex file to a .dvi file, using the same version of tex, in a little
more than half the time that it took the Sun.  OTOH, the Sun was slightly
faster on the first two tests.

For my purposes, there was no need to go further.  I had satisfied
myself that the Linux box was roughly in the same ballpark as the
workstation on which this message is being composed.  However, the
Sun cost in excess of $10,000 when it was new (the prices have since
dropped), and that's quite a bit more than was paid for the PC. In
terms of cost / effectiveness, Linux has already outdistanced the
Sun.

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From: [email-masked] (William_F._Mitchell)
Subject: Re: running X appl. by modem ?
Date: 23 Sep 93 12:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Tim Cutts (Zoology)) writes:
|> [email-masked] writes:
|> 
|> >In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Pablo Redard) writes:
|> >> 
|> >> I'm wondering if I can log into my account at the university 
|> >> from home (through modem) and run an X application?
|> 
|> Look for term 1.07, which allows you to do this.  You can get it from (if
|> memory serves) ftp.tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Can't remember if that's the right
|> machine name, but it's close).
|> 

Does this require making the modem connection with SLIP?

-- 
-- Bill

William F. Mitchell                            | [email-masked]
National Institute of Standards and Technology | [email-masked]

If anything looks like an opinion, NIST does not necessarily agree with it.
If anything looks like an official NIST or government statement, it's not.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc.help,comp.os.linux
From: [email-masked] (Rachid BELMOUHOUB <[email-masked]>)
Subject:  Problemes with SLS 1.03 Install 
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 13:41:59 GMT

Hi there,

I have already posted this but due to a Probleme with my address in the header
I repost it an other time:

 I have installed the SLS 1.03 release, with some problems.

 My machine is a 486DX50, 8Mo RAM, 214Mo  HD(IDE), screan NEC 4FG
 mouse MS compatible 3 bottons, AZERTY keyboard, NCR 77C22E (2Mo) video card
 with a DOS and a LINUX partitions.

1- after runing fdisk and writing the partition table to the disk, I had this
 message:
   79076 unallocated sectors. Is it that bad ???

2- at the tex pkgs installation I had thsi message:
   installing texbin...tar:could not create file usr/TeX/lib/tex/inputs:Is
   a directory

3- at the end of installation, when the system write the de boot floppy
   I had this message:
   Setting up lilo on $ROOTDISK
    If any specify a DOS partition to (...blabla...):/dev/hda2 (my LINUX 
    partition, I answered!!)
    First boot sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a lilo signature (what's wrong??) 

4- an other message;
    open /etc/lilo/map no such file or directory

==============end of installation

after reboot, I tried to change the american keyboard into french keyboard 
with setkbd but it asked for files I don't know where they are.
The README file is not very clear for me.
same problem with the doc of X11, I haven't found the doc for my video card,
to change the clock parameter and so.

Any help greatly apreciated, if any one around here is using a NCR 77C22E 
video card and have a runing Xconfig file, send it to me via email.

I would prefer email answers if any, there's a lot of trafic in this newsgroup

Thanx a lot

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Ecole des Mines de Paris
Centre d'Informatique Geologique

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Garcia)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: 23 Sep 93 06:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Slaving away in a dark room, [email-masked] (Steve Norton) produced:
>Well, here at the office, we've had 4 machines: One 386-40, 8 MB of
>RAM, one 486-66, 16 MB of RAM, one Sparc-10 with 64 MB of RAM and
>one Sparc-2 with 32 MB of RAM.
>
>
>The 486-66 ($3000) runs 10-25% faster than the Sparc-2 ($7000) for CPU
>intensive activities (compiling, crunching numbers, Xlife, etc.)  For I/O
>things (xli on Xwindows) it completely blows the Sparc-2 away.
>
Ok, quick question about the I/O.  On the sparcs, are the drives local?
Or are they mounted through NFS?  (Some sites mount local drives through
NFS for some reason, don't ask me why).  NFS is MUCH slower than direct
access.  Also, what OS is being run?  We had Sparc classics at work running
Solaris 2.2 (*PUKE*) - when one of the guys there got SunOS 4.1.3 up
and running on the classic the difference in performace was unbelievable.
I would almost dare say twice as fast, though that might be overly
optimistic, but there was a VERY noticable difference.  

>Now, I'm kind of biased.  I personally believe Sparcs are junk, and that
>a 40Mhz motherboard with a 386 is just as good as a 40Mhz Sparc motherboard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say Sun's are better (I happen to
like a linux machine better than a sun if only for no other reason than
the fact that the OS is free, and the hardware is cheaper), just to point
out some reasons for these numbers.  

D

note:  Just as an aside, X runs GREAT on my roommate's 486/33 w 8megs.
       (I don't own my own machine... :( - but i do have a terminal 
       hooked up to the serial port, which i'm using now while he works
       on C++ ;)  - it runs faster than the DECstation 2100's at school,
       and some of the SPARC's that we had at work.

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: SLS/Slackware/What? 
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 15:18:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Dave Ferret <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Pardon me, I just got here.  
> 
>I've only heard of the SLS release, is Slackware another packaged 
>release, or what? How many others than SLS are there?  

Slackware is a Linux distribution like SLS. Here are some others:

MCC (from the Manchester Computing Center)
TAMU (Texas A&M University)
Debian (Soon to be released)

Personally I've used SLS and Slackware. I prefer Slackware because it has
many less bugs (at least in my case).

Hope this helps,

BAJ
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas J Bilan)
Subject: Setting up user accts.
Date: 23 Sep 1993 15:29:33 GMT

I have been successfully running linux for about a month now and I have friends
that are trying it out but one of them seems to be having a problem setting
up user accounts.  I told him to type:
useradd -m name
passwd name
Which works fine for me but when the users log in they don't have write
permission to their own directory.  I thought the problem was easy enough
to rectify so I said do (at the /home prompt):
chmod 777 name
chown name name
chgrp other name
Which set the permissions on the users directory and it still didn't work
so I had him change the mode for the /home directory to 777.  And it still
doesn't work...

I'm out of suggestions.  I beginning to wonder how mine ever worked :)

It's probably something stupid so don't make me(us) feel bad...:(

Thanks,
Tom

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From: [email-masked] (Kees Metzger)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 15:03:59 GMT

[email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes:

>I was wondering, if anyone has done benchmarks between the two for
>various processors.  I am not saying that Linux is better, it still
>has a ways to go before it can match the all around appeal of the SUN.

Although it's not much I can add this:

My Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V (running Linux) is about 3 times faster than
the SS 1+ on a compilation job of about 100,000 lines (in 150 files).

Kees Metzger
Corporate Automation
Philips International

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From: [email-masked] (Josep Mulet Mestre. Dpto. Algebra)
Subject: xxgdb problem?
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 14:36:17 GMT

When running xgdb under linux 0.99pl12 I obtain the following response each
time I issue a command:

        [ioctl TIOCSPGRP failed in terminal_inferior: Not a typewriter]

The commands work but it begin to get on my nerves...
Any solution?
BTW, does anyone know some docs to customize xgdb?
Thanks
Pep

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Garber)
Subject: Is there a Pascal Compiler for linux?
Date: 23 Sep 1993 16:39:02 GMT

 I need this for a class I am taking and would like to do my debugging
at home.

Thanks for you time.

Joe Garber ([email-masked])  

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From: [email-masked] (Graeme Perrow)
Subject: Audio CD player
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:42:29 GMT

Hi...does anyone know if there is an audio CD player app available for X on 
Linux? Thanks in advance

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From: [email-masked] (Brian Pedranti)
Subject: HELP on uugetty. Won't reset after lost connection!
Date: 23 Sep 1993 15:44:17 GMT

     Help! :)
I am not new to Linux,, but I can't figure this one out.
I have a 386-33 8megs RAM 220meg IDE, mono, 10BT ,etc,etc....

And a 14.4k modem as /dev/cua1
I have set up uugetty, so I can dial out with cu, etc....
And I can dialin and either login as a regular user OR login as a SLIP
user and automatically start "dip"

The problem I am having is that if you drop the connection when running
a program (ex. "dip", "ping", etc...) it just hangs the process, instead
of killing it and uugetty respawning.

What gives? The "dip" man page says it will die it it looses carrier.
And if you log out normally it resets fine.
Also in "cu" if you do a ~. the modem resets (showing that DTR is
working correctly).

One other question. How do I setup a Charon LPR process to print BINARY
files to my LJ2 connected to /dev/lp1?
It is a remote lpr request, and it works for text files but not binary
files. Pretty useless for anything with different fonts than my printer.

All help is wanted! :)

Brian

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From: [email-masked] (John S. Roberts Jr.)
Subject: SmartHost with SMail?
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 17:47:54 GMT

How do I tell smail to use a smart host for routing mail.  I am
on a slip line which does not allow me to telnet off our local
site.  Therefore to send mail (telnet) other places I need to
route all my mail through a local machine.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
John
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From: [email-masked] (manuel Toledo-Quinones)
Subject: Re: xxgdb problem?
Date: 23 Sep 1993 18:15:30 GMT

Josep Mulet Mestre. Dpto. Algebra ([email-masked]) wrote:
: When running xgdb under linux 0.99pl12 I obtain the following response each
: time I issue a command:

:       [ioctl TIOCSPGRP failed in terminal_inferior: Not a typewriter]

: The commands work but it begin to get on my nerves...
: Any solution?
: BTW, does anyone know some docs to customize xgdb?
: Thanks
: Pep

I have the same problem. If someone knows how to solve it, can I have the 
answer, if not posted, e-mailed to me as well?
thanks,
[email-masked] 

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From: [email-masked] (David S. Fox)
Subject: Re: SML for Linux?
Date: 23 Sep 1993 15:58:48 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Ole Sandum) writes:

   Has any Standard ML system(s) been ported to Linux?  

Yes, look on ftp.dcs.glasgow.ac.uk in pub/linux.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Rusty Carruth)
Subject: Re: [Q] Comments on my configuration of PC please...
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 20:44:13 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton) writes:
>Taek-Soo Kim ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: After some survey and recommendation, I decided to purchase
>: the following PC. Any comments would be very helpful.
>
>: 486-DX2 66 (Comtrade)
>: EISA
>: 16MB RAM
>: Adaptec 1742 scsi-2 controller
>: 545MB HD
>: Orchid Fahrenheit 1280+ or VA (32bit VLB) with 1MB.
>: 17" Monitor (MAG or CTX).
>
>       WOW!  what a box!  How many users are you going to support?

I've got a very similar machine, except for the controller is ide
and the motherboard is EISA/VESA/ISA (oh, and a different VGA board).

Actually, I assume that the above system is ALSO VESA since the 
quoted SVGA board is "(32bit VLB)" :-)

Anyway, I'm the only user, and its WONDERFUL ;-)

>: As you can see, I have not fixed the monitor and the video card.

Don't let anybody talk you down from your 17" monitor, that's what
I've got and its GREAT.

>: Any suggestion is welcome.
>
>       Get a bigger SCSI disk -- prices being what they are, you can
>       pick up a Toshiba 1.2GB 9ms. SCSI-2 drive for around $900. (us)
>       it's worth spending a little more from the price of the  545 MB
>       drive to get more storage.  And it looks like you're sparing no
>       expense in setting up a killer system!

I'd agree completely.  My only "real" sorrow with my system is that I did
not get a bigger drive - mine is ALREADy completely full...

>: I plan to attach scsi tape drive in the future, any recommendation
>: on this would also be appreciated.
>
>       ...  I am STILL trying to figure 
>       out where they put all that data on those tiny little tapes!

They use maxwell's daemon    ;-)   ;-)

Rusty

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From: [email-masked] (Georg Strolka)
Subject: Driver for NE2100 ethernetboard available?
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 17:13:37 GMT

Is there any Linux support for Novell's NE2100 ethernetboard?
I know that this board is not compatible to the NE2000 board,
which is already supported. Any information is highly
appreciated.

Thank you
Georg
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From: [email-masked] (Georg Strolka)
Subject: X11 for Linux on hp-Vectra?
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 17:24:25 GMT

Does anyone successfully run the X386 color server on a
HP-VECTRA 486/50XM with a builtin local-bus VESA graphics card?

Thank You
Georg
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From: [email-masked] (Zack Evans)
Subject: Re: about the GCC package ..
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:51:48 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (OVALLE NUNEZ CRISTIAN ) writes:

>i want c , c++ and X ... no net nor tex (have net and tex at university :)

>i tried to download HJ gccdisks but couldn't find them :(
>same for the libdisks ... what happens to them ???

Dunno but they are aging fast...

My advice to you is, get MCC and install Xfree over the top. It's not
difficult (from the posts I have seen recently SLS seems to make it harder :/)

I had 90% of MCC installed, plus all of XFree except PEX and the fonts, in
35MB, so you shouldn't have any problems. 

Zack
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as that would also stop them from doing clever things.

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