Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #264
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 17:13:12 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #264, Volume #6           Sun, 26 Sep 93 17:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  [HELP] Bootup failing on adap1542c.out (David Shoemaker)
  Re: DTC SCSI card (Drew Echhardt)
  Where can I get source for doc ? (Vince Taluskie)
  mount coherent file systmeem (Chris Mason)
  Re: Lint for Linux (Rogier Wolff)
  Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux (Adam Clarke)
  Re: NetBSD, FreeBSD or Linux on IBM AMBRA platform? (HD Associates)
  Re: running X appl. by modem ? - XMOSAIC (James B. MacLean)
  Re: SCSI AHA 1542C boot Prob. solved (Johnnie Walker)
  Re: Ultrastor & Slackware boot (Warner Losh)
  Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested? (Warner Losh)
  Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested? (Warner Losh)
  Error in running Magic 6.3(VLSI CAD TOOL) ? (dr80)
  Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux (Byron Faber)
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Chris Royle)
  I think my monitor is exploding..help (John Banghart)
  conin.h in gcc2.3.3 (MING HE)
  Forward: QIC-80 (Holger Veit)
  Re: SmartHost with SMail? (John S. Roberts Jr.)
  Need Help on Term (Balaji Natrajan)
  Re: [Rev.] startx won't start x.. (Chia Chien Wei)
  anyone have Linux working on a DEC PC? (Bill Gabella)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux
From: [email-masked] (David Shoemaker)
Subject: [HELP] Bootup failing on adap1542c.out
Date: 24 Sep 93 18:19:47 GMT

I am trying to install the sls disk set.  I boot with the a1 disk and it seems
to start ok.  But when it starts to talk to my Adaptec 1542c it is telling me
that an interupt was received but no mail.

The card works perfectly under dos and I have booted from this disk before I got
the adaptec and it worked fine.

Any ideas?  What does the no mail message mean?

Thanks,
David

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From: [email-masked] (Drew Echhardt)
Subject: Re: DTC SCSI card
Date: 26 Sep 93 02:35:29 MDT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris Healy) writes:
>I have a 386-40 system with somewhere around 300 megs of SCSI space.  In
>booting a Linux boot disk I find it won't recognise the DTC controller
>running the system.  Is there anyway to fix this?  

Buy a different SCSI board, or if your particular DTC supports it,
use it in WD1003 emulation mode.

>or is an update which might support it to be released anytime in the future?  

No.

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From: [email-masked] (Vince Taluskie)
Subject: Where can I get source for doc ?
Date: 26 Sep 1993 08:43:59 GMT

I've checked with archie and every listing that I see for doc
looks like its part of the Linux distribution (binary images).

doc looks like a great package and would be very useful to my users -
where can I get source that I can build on my Irix and AIX boxes ?

Thanks in advance,

Vince Taluskie

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From: [email-masked] (Chris Mason)
Subject: mount coherent file systmeem
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 04:54:22 GMT

Does anyone know how to mount coherent file systems from linux?
Where do I get the patch and 
how do I appli it ?  Please be verbose.  I've n 'er patched 
before...
. 
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Rogier Wolff)
Subject: Re: Lint for Linux
Date: 26 Sep 1993 09:33:11 GMT

Greg Rhoades ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Does anyone know if Lint has been ported to Linux and where it might be?

Use the following line in a makefile:

LINT=gcc -Wall -O2 -o /dev/null

                                Roger.

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From: [email-masked] (Adam Clarke)
Subject: Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 05:58:05 GMT

[email-masked] (Ole Sandum) and [email-masked] (Jesper Honig Spring) write:

>>Does anyone know of a wordprocessor (besides TEX, if one might call it a wordprocessor)
>>a la WordPerfect for Linux. 

>Be careful. Terming WP as a wordprocessor might
>just start a holywar   :-)

The mother of all holy wars!

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (HD Associates)
Subject: Re: NetBSD, FreeBSD or Linux on IBM AMBRA platform?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 12:08:46 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
David W. Smith <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I've just recently read about the new IBM company called AMBRA.
(...)
> The first is a 5 slot ISA system with 2 VESA LB slots and built in SCSI
> and 10BaseT ethnet.

I'm interested in this unit also, especially if the on board SCSI and
E-net has a full 32 bit address bus to memory.

Does anyone know how to get technical documentation from IBM/AMBRA so
that SCSI and network drivers can be written?

I'll try to track something down on Monday from IBM, but a contact
would be great.  I remember a Kafka like experience trying to get
technical information out of AT&T (aka "We're the Phone Company")  once
in my past.

Peter
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HD Associates               Voice: 508 433 6936
[email-masked]            Fax:   508 433 5267
Looking for: Orangey-brown front leather seats or NOS covers for '73 BMW 3.0cs

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From: [email-masked] (James B. MacLean)
Subject: Re: running X appl. by modem ? - XMOSAIC
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 13:24:45 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Karl Runge) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (Karl Runge)
>Subject: Re: running X appl. by modem ?
>Date: 25 Sep 1993 08:41:27 GMT

> [email-masked] (Valiant Gough) wrote:
>.
>>X-windows runs alright under it on a 9600 baud modem - as long as you don't
>>want to view pictures.  Not everything is fast enough to be useable, but
>>many things are, and don't forget that term can let you have as many
>>windows open to the server as you want.

>Well, they told me "patience is a virtue" and I'm finally putting that
>to use when running Xmosaic with term via 14.4 Kbps USR Sportster modem.
>It takes 1.5 - 2.0min for a 640x480 weather satellite photo to come up,
>which ain't too bad considering what you're getting! If you have something
>else to do (e.g. browse text in another Xmosaic window :-) so much the
>better!

>Karl

I can relate, I just started to use Xmosaic, and I find it awesome to say 
the least. Especially for showing the power of the internet. I am using a 
9600 baud line, and being able to do other things is a BIG plus. I changed 
my mpeg_play so that it looped, other wise ofcourse, I be doing something in 
a character vt and miss the fun. I think I'll do something similar to the 
showaudio stuff. It's a blast listening to people talking on my little pc-
speaker :-). I suprised most people I talk to don't even know it exists. 
Next thing is collage, I tried to start some compiling of that, but it isn'
t going as straight forward as the mime package, or the pbmplus utils. I 
wonder, is anyone else trying to get it compiled, or maybe already do?

JES 

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From: [email-masked] (Johnnie Walker)
Subject: Re: SCSI AHA 1542C boot Prob. solved
Date: 26 Sep 1993 14:15:35 GMT

Oh no! It works, but only with the old kernel! After I managed to recompile
version 0.99p12, I got the same effect again... 

--
Peter Koellner 
Student of Idiocy at the university of Dortmund
EMAIL:[email-masked] 

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From: [email-masked] (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Ultrastor & Slackware boot
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 17:53:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes: 
>Assuming the 34F is one of the supported UltraStor cards (and I don't
>think all of them are), I'd say to play with any IRQs or other hardware
>settings you can change. You might, for instance, want to temporarily
>pull the MFM controller and see if that makes any difference.

Well, the SLS 1.03 release (and ***ANY*** kernel that has ethernet
support compiled in) doesn't grok the UltraStor 34F.  The problem is
that the Autoprobe code in Linux doesn't keep track of ranges of ports
that are already in use, so that many devices tend to probe different
the same ranges of ports, even if the range of ports is already in
use.  This autoprobing tends to screw up the UltraStor for some
reason, so you must jumper it at a different address, say 0x340.  I've
seen two failure modes for this:  1) no scsi cards recognized or 2)
ll_rw_blk complaining about something not working.

Every time I boot a new kernel from the net, I have to rejumper the
board to 0x340.

Warner
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I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.

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From: [email-masked] (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 07:06:08 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>   It is legal under the GPL to charge a "reasonable copying fee" for
>GPL'd software.  That means that the club would be free to charge for
>copying - once.  After the first time, they're out of luck.  As for
>renting the software, that goes *completely* against the letter and
>spirit of the GPL, which basically says that you can't make a profit
>from it.

Bull.  Please read the GPL.  All it talks about is making sure that
sources are available at a reasonable fee.  Nothing in it says that
you can't make a profit on the software.  The people that you give it
to still must retain the rights that you had with the software, and
you must tell them so.

Please quote the portion of the GPL that states that I cannot charge
$1,000 per copy that I distribute of program FOO that is covered under
the GPL.  Of course, people that pay the $1000 are bound by the GPL
and nothing stricter, so they can turn around and charge $0.25 or
nothing to distribute it.  I'm not prevented from continuing to
charge $1000, but few people would chose to get it from me at this
price, unless there was some compelling reason for it (say I would
wear a pager and let them call me 24 hours a day to help them with
problems they were having).

However, nothing in the GPL prevent me from charging money, so long as
I comply with all the terms and conditions of the GPL, which basically
says two things: 1) Those people I give the program to can give it to
other people.  2) I must provide, or offer to provide, the source
subject to the same terms and conditions.

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             [email-masked]       ParcPlace Boulder
I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 08:14:26 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (11086) writes: 
>I'm not sure this is legal under the GPL. My understanding of the GPL
>(which could easily be incorrect) is that you may charge a reasonable 
>media fee to distribute GPL'd software, but not charge a fee for the 
>software itself.  Under your scheme, the customer does not keep the media, 
>so the fee is for the software itself.

I think that your understanding is incorrect.  What is going on here
is a service.  You are paying $20 to use the disks for whatever
purposes you see fit to use. Your rights to make additional copies is
not compromised, so this is perfectly OK under the GPL.

Please do recall that there is nothing in the GPL that says you can't
make money off the software.  All it says that if you distribute
something, you must make  the source available on request (subject to
certain terms and conditions, please see the GPL for all the details).

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             [email-masked]       ParcPlace Boulder
I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.

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From: dr794348@thcs_8 (dr80)
Subject: Error in running Magic 6.3(VLSI CAD TOOL) ?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 15:06:25 GMT

Hello Linuxer,

        When I ran Magic(VLSI Cad Tool, version 6.3) on my Linux box,
        some errors happened as follows.

>> $ magic -d X11
>> 
>> Magic - Version 6.3 - Last updated Thu Sep 13 13:21:25 PDT 1990  
>> 
>> CAD_HOME set, pretending that "~cad" is located at "/usr/magic".
>> Using technology "scmos".
>> Unable to allocate 7 planes in default colormap; making a new one.
>> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
>>   Major opcode of failed request:  78 (X_CreateColormap)
>>   Serial number of failed request:  834
>>   Current serial number in output stream:  835

        The spec. of my Linux box is:
                486DX-33, 8M Ram, AT bus
                Linux OS version 0.99-p12
                XFree 1.3
        Besides, I've set env. varable CAD_HOME=/usr/magic.
        Do I have to set any other env. variables ?

                Sincerely yours,

                                Jeng-hermes Lin

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From: [email-masked] (Byron Faber)
Subject: Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux
Date: 26 Sep 1993 19:34:29 GMT

So I guess the answer is that there is not word processor for linux?

Figures...

Byron Faber...

Guess I shouldn't have rmed Dos.  
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From: [email-masked] (Chris Royle)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 11:26:29 GMT

In comp.os.linux, Chris Royle ([email-masked]) wrote:
:>         Linux     DOS     SUN     IRIS         Linux    DOS
:>         0.99.9    5.0     IPC     INDIGO       0.99.10  5.0
:>         DX2/50    DX2/50          IRIX 4.0.5F  DX2/66   DX2/66

:> 1.      19        35      72      17           15       26

:> 2.      13        19      49      14           9        49

[sundry repetitions of the same results]

Oops.

I think my posting went wonky... apologies to newsadmins everywhere...

Chris.
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From: [email-masked] (John Banghart)
Subject: I think my monitor is exploding..help
Date: 26 Sep 1993 17:12:58 GMT

Ok, here's the deal.

I have a tvga8900cl card with 1mb.  I installed SLS 1.03 and the whole
thing went off without a hitch.  I modified the Xconfig files and set it
up to the best of my ability.  I inserted a line for my chipset and
modified the other parts according to the FAQ.  Xwindows runs fine but
when I start it up, my monitor flickers, makes a awfully loud *click*
and the screen goes dead.  Not just blank, but dead.  The power is still
on though. After about 1/2 a second it flickers again, and then X starts
to come up.  It also seems that the monitor is growing abnormally hot
after what seems to be a short period of time.

I don't want to damage my monitor so if someone could offer me some
advice, I would be most greatful.

-John
j

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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (MING HE)
Subject: conin.h in gcc2.3.3
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:49:47 GMT

I have a c++ source:
#include <conio.h>

I going thru the entire system.  Only found conio.h in msdos
partition's powerc including directory, not gcc2.3.3 distribution.
Is conio.h specially for msdos?

My system is SLS 1.01 Linux .99pl9

Please include a To: [email-masked] in you posting headers.

Chears,
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.bugs
From: [email-masked] (Holger Veit)
Subject: Forward: QIC-80
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 20:33:29 GMT

I am posting the following letter for someone who has no access to
netnews. If you have questions or comments, please followup here,
but also send a reply to the mail address in the signature of the letter.
This is not my plea, I'm just forwarding, so don't mail to me on this.
This is also crossposted to comp.os.linux, although the letter mentions
386bsd/NetBSD, since it might be a common problem.
I have already replied to this person, that some experimental versions
for such code is existing, but it could be a good idea to try to
get support from the hardware vendors as well.

Holger
========================================================================
From [email-masked] Sun Sep 26 20:55:51 1993
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 21:51:59 +0200
From: Kostas Kourakis <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: QIC-40/80 Streamer support in Net/386BSD
Status: RO

Dear Dr Veit,

        I've seen your suggestion regarding the creation of support
for the Mitsumi CD Rom Drive, and certainly it's a wise move, I could
never understand why very popular and cheap hardware was kind of
"snubbed at" my most of the recent OS (including Unixware, NT etc.).
        There's though an area that needs even more attention (in my
opinion at least), namely  the support for the most popular (and cheap)
streamers.  I'm sure very few can afford QIC-02 or SCSI-based tape strea-
mers, however, almost everybody I know has a Colorado or Irwin model
(that can be had for less than a _third_ of the price of a QIC-02 or
a SCSI model) (thanks to Microsoft, due to the inherent instability of 
Windows it made everybody buy a streamer ;-) ).
        On the other hand I gather it's not that practical for the pro-
grammers that do most of the work on Net/386BSD to sit and write drivers
from scratch, it'll be much easier to put some pressure on the respective
ventors to create themselves the drivers.  The reason is that each brand
has a few variations, e.g. Colorado comes as 125Mb model with or without
the FC10 or FC20 controller, or as 250Mb model ditto, thus it'll be 
rather a lot to ask the Net/386BSD programmers to cater for all variations.
The ventors on the other hand can do it rather easily.  What's needed is
that as many as possible of the prominent people involved in Net/386BSD 
such as yourself, Messrs Chris Demetriou, Nate Williams, Terry Lambert 
et al. would write or email Colorado and Irwin and pressure them to create 
the drivers (just drivers will do fine, no need for more sophisticated 
software like Colorado's "jtape" for SCO/ISC ). 
        I'm sure they'll _have_ to pay heed to what people of your stand-
ing say to them.  I've taken the liberty to include here the mail and 
Compuserve address of Colorado, just in case you feel like supporting 
this idea. These are:
        Colorado Memory Systems,
        800 South Taft Avenue
        Loveland CO 80537 - 9929 , USA
Compuserve users can leave messages for Colorado Memory Systems Inc. in
IBMHW Forum/Session 4 at the following address : 
        (CO_MEM_SYS) SUPPORT 71621,3022
Thus, for Interneters, just email [email-masked] (if I'm not
wrong).
        Unfortunately my local host does not cary netnews, so I've no way
to put a relevant message in comp.os.386bsd.*, however, if you feel like
posting any part or all of this message in these areas just to see how many 
users respond in favor, please fell free to do it.

        Best regards,

        Konstandinos Kourakis
        ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (John S. Roberts Jr.)
Subject: Re: SmartHost with SMail?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:05:25 GMT

[email-masked] writes:

>John S. Roberts Jr. ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: How do I tell smail to use a smart host for routing mail.  I am
>: on a slip line which does not allow me to telnet off our local
>: site.  Therefore to send mail (telnet) other places I need to
>: route all my mail through a local machine.

>   In your smail config file, use:

>smart_path=smart host name

Okay, I already had this set to a host which should be able to deliver
all my off site mail for me.  However whenever I mail to someplace off
site I get:

/usr/bin/uuname command not found

or something similar... its like it is trying to use uucp or
something?

John
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From: [email-masked] (Balaji Natrajan)
Subject: Need Help on Term
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 16:47:21 GMT

Hi, 
   I am trying to use term for multiple communication channels through my
modem. However I am not able to get it running, this is what I do :

 I login to the remote system using kermit and run term.
 Next I escape back to the local kermit and enter :
         kermit> !term >/dev/modem </dev/modem &
         kermit> quit
         linux$ trsh
  After this the system just hangs, it does not do anything at all until I
press CTRL-C which returns me back to the linux prompt. I am using SLS 1.03
and a 2400 baud modem. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me
as to what I am doing wrong,

Thanks in advance,
RAJ
            
-- 
**********************************************************************
Balaji Natrajan
University of Texas at San Antonio
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Chia Chien Wei)
Subject: Re: [Rev.] startx won't start x..
Date: 26 Sep 1993 16:45:18 GMT

CHIA CHIEN WEI ([email-masked]) wrote:
:    When I do a startx, problem occurs and here is what I got:

: ==================================================================
: PEXExtensionINit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M

: failed to set default font path '/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
: /usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
: /usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/'

: Fatal server error: Could not open default font 'fixed' because FontPath
: is invalid.

: xinit: No such file or directory (error 2): unexpected signal 13

: ====================================================================

Hi

   I am overwhelmed by the response of all those netters who have
contributed one way or another in helping me to solve the above
problem.  Thanks again guys!  
   Well I would like to share with the rest of you how the above
problems are solved.  The first if the PEX error... it turns out
that the SLS package does not include the PEX package.  I have to
download it from the the ftp site and extract it into the proper
directory.  The second problem is caused by my ignorant.  I have
to create a swap partition (8M) and this solve the problem of
Fontpath not valid.
    I am now happily exploring the openwin.  One thing bothers me
though ... is it possible to configure the X-window to 'shrink'
to just occupy the whole screen but not more? Hate to keep
panning up and down when playing xmahjohn.

Nam.
sig under construction.

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Gabella)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: anyone have Linux working on a DEC PC?
Date: 26 Sep 1993 20:59:48 GMT

The subject says it all.  I am considering purchasing a DecPC
466d2MTE w/ 486dx2 66 CPU, 16 Meg of RAM, 256K cache, 525 Meg
IDE HD, VL Bus High Res. Video Card - Weitek P9000 (??!!) w/ 2MB, 
and a 17" monitor for work, and I would like to know if anyone has
Linux working on this or a similar model DEC pc.  It is conspicuosly 
absent from the Linux hardware compatibility list and the new 
video lists seem unavailable.  I know that some dec pc's are available 
with SCO Unix...but maybe I like Linux better :)

Also, any general commments about such a machine are appreciated.
Its function will be as a workstation...probably always have some
compute heavy job in background, while I use the graphics interface
to read the net news :-)     thanks for any info, bill e.g.

%%%I don't believe in no stinking .sigs!!%%%
%%%well ok, I am [email-masked]%%%

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