Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #267
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 17:13:11 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #267, Volume #6           Mon, 27 Sep 93 17:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  PPP for Linux (Charles B. Martin)
  Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested? (goon)
  Re: Word Processor for Linux (lout) (Jeffrey Wescott '95)
  Re: 1024x768 => Cirrus 5422 freaks out (Dave Clemans)
  Re: El cheapo CD with Linux (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested? (Mitchell N. Perilstein)
  Re: Linux won't boot from HD (HELP !!) (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
  X8514 server (Bao Chau Ha)
  Library 4.4.2 (Bao Chau Ha)
  Re: Word Processor for Linux (lout) ([email-masked])
  Re: The smallest Linux? (Donley P'Simer)
  token ring driver wanted (Brian Henry)
  Hard sector floppies. (Stu Donaldson)
  lpc couldn't start lpd daemon (Ransel Yoho)
  WARNING: EXPO computers won't work with TCP/IP, Linux,...
  **WARNING: EXPO computers will NOT work with Linux, TCP/IP,...
  TAMU release comments? (John E. Stump)
  DOS/LINUX partitions do not agree (Alexander Mesin)

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From: [email-masked] (Charles B. Martin)
Subject: PPP for Linux
Date: 27 Sep 1993 15:28:06 GMT

I am going to be working on a project soon that will require the use of PPP.
I have asked why not SLIP (since it is built into the Linux kernel, and from
what I understand, works rather nicely), but it has already been decreed that
PPP will be used.  I am wondering if anyone can tell me if anyone has
successfully ported PPP to Linux, and if they did, does it require kernel
hacking.  I have gathered some sources for PPP, but the closest I have found
is Berkeley BSD 4.3 code that requires kernel hacking to get it running.  I
do not look forward to hacking the kernel at all.  That is best left to people
who know what they are doing.  I would really appreciate any info anyone
can spare.

Thank you.
Chuck Martin
<[email-masked]>

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (goon)
Subject: Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested?
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:31:26 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Patrick K. Ferrick) writes:
   might appeal to others in my situation.  Incidentally, though my initial
   reaction to all the legal furor was to withdraw my offer, I am starting to
   wonder if it really _is_ forbidden under the GPL.  I'm in the process of
   reading it, and if we can go ahead with our plans we probably will.

   pat

You're renting the disks and not the software, right. So what's the
problem? 

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From: [email-masked] (Jeffrey Wescott '95)
Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux (lout)
Date: 27 Sep 1993 15:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>>>> On Sat, 25 Sep 1993 23:20:02 GMT, [email-masked] (Laszlo Herczeg) said:

> For really small jobs, I am not using  the emacs-like editor called
> Joe which is absolutely wonderful, and does things like underlining
> and centering. It suffices for quick jobs, and has support for 7-bit
> and 8-bit characters.

Emacs-like!?!?  Hahahah!  Maybe I am wrong, but isn't JOE ==> "Joe's
Own Editor" which is distributed w/ SLS?  If so, it is HARDLY like
Emacs and more closely resembles Wordstar for DOS.  Sorry, I am just a
big Emacs fan.

--
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     _/_/_/_/_/  _/     _/     [email-masked]
        _/      _/     _/      Jeffrey Wescott (1995)
       _/      _/     _/       Computer Science & Engineering
      _/      _/ _/  _/       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 _/  _/      _/_/ _/_/        "Ask not what your country can do for you ...
_/_/_/      _/     _/          Ask how much it will cost!"    -- Me
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: [email-masked] (Dave Clemans)
Subject: Re: 1024x768 => Cirrus 5422 freaks out
Date: 27 Sep 1993 16:11:51 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jesper Honig Spring ([email-masked]) wrote:
: When configuring X for 1024x768 on my CL GD5422 the
: VGA-card freaks out in the sence that everything is
: unreadable. I haven't got the same problems in 800x
: 600. 

: Can anyone help me?

Is the display you are seeing vertically stable, but looks like it has
three or so tiny copies of the screen horizontally? That's what I'm
getting on an IBM PS/1 with a CLGD5426. And again 800x600 words fine
for me. And 1024x768 definitely works fine in Windows.

I'm beginning to wonder if the XFree86 cirrus driver is really complete.
That is, if it needs to set some of the chip mode registers slightly
differently than it does now; possibly a horizontal clock divisor???

I've been trying to figure out how Windows gets 1024x768 out of the
same hardware, and I did find something that looks interesting, but
I may be reading too much into it.  In the system.ini file, there's
a section at the bottom labeled "CLVGA". For 1024x768, there are
lines "Mode=96" and "Dots Per Inch=120". (or something like that).
For smaller resolutions, there's something like "Mode=95" and
"Dots Per Inch=96".

dgc

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From: [email-masked] (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: El cheapo CD with Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:23:15 GMT

Tony Porczyk ([email-masked]) wrote:
> I just saw a rather slow CD that nevertheless supported Kodak
> multi-session format.  It was called Panasonic CR 562.  I wonder if
> anyone used it successfully with Linux? 

What do you mean: "rather slow"?

It is one of the fastest CDROM drives on the market. It is said to
be able to read with "double speed", and IT DOES.

My Linux-driver sbpcd0.4.tar.gz reads from that Matsushita / Kotobuki /
 Panasonic / CreativeLabs drive (regardless which interface you are
using - "sound" or "no-sound", "SoundBlaster" or "LaserMate") with a
rate of 300 kB/sec. Anyone seen something better ??? :-)

With that drive, that driver and a "special" CDROM (that is one which
is more than a snapshot of any server) - the YGGDRASIL is best-known
here - you can build a "CDROM dependent" LINUX installation which
keeps your mass storage devices almost free - and the transfer
speed with files on that CD is in the range of IDE harddisk transfer
times.
 
> Any other recommendations (money is an object)?

Spend your money on that drive and a couple of CDs.

Greetings ... Eberhard

      Eberhard Moenkeberg        FIDO:     2:241/3410.27  
      Reinholdstr. 14            Internet: [email-masked]
      37083 Goettingen, Germany  Voice:    ++49-551-704325

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Mitchell N. Perilstein)
Subject: Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested?
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 15:47:09 GMT

|>Our high school science club may distribute Linux on floppies as a means of
|>raising money for projects.  What we're thinking of is that instead of buying
|>the floppies from us, people might be interested in renting the disks (in
|>order to make copies of them) at a low rate.  Something like this:
|
|I'm not sure this is legal under the GPL. My understanding of the GPL

I think it is legal.  Section 2 says

     You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy,
     and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange
     for a fee.

If you look in magazines, people sell gnu stuff for big dollars on tape
and cd.  They still have to provide source, though.  If they don't
provide source, section 4 lists alternatives.  One is

       b. Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
          years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
          cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
          machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
          ...

I think the two sections are causing the confusion here.
---
Mitchell N. Perilstein          | [email-masked]    | Ask about s/w patents
Compass Design Automation, Inc. | 410-992-5700 x225 | and interface copyrights.

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From: [email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Re: Linux won't boot from HD (HELP !!)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:35:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jesper Honig Spring) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I've just installed Linux for the first time. When I try to
>boot Linux from my HD (214 Mb allocated for Linux) the
>system halts with the following message printed in CGA-mode:
>
> "NO ROM BASIC - SYSTEM HALTED"
>
>When I try to boot from the boot-up floppy everything seems
>to work fine - very weird, indeed.
>
>Can anyone help me to get rid of this problem.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Please (also) email me.
>

The problem is that your PC's BIOS cannot find an operating system
so it has to revert to an old quirk, boot rom-basic.  Rom basic 
was included on the first PC's sold by IBM.  You have to install 
Lilo, which I think places it self at the top of the disk where the
Master Boot Record is (MBR).  From there it tells BIOS  to boot the
Kernel or another option that you can specify.

-- 
========================
[email-masked]
Bikram Dhaliwal
(416) 845-4567

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From: [email-masked] (Bao Chau Ha)
Subject: X8514 server
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 17:02:05 GMT

What is the most current 8514/A server that works with XFree86 1.3
in SLS 1.03?  I got the x8514scale.tar from sunsite and it is used
to work with SLS 1.02.  Upgrading to SLS 1.03 broke it.  I keep
getting not enough I/O privilige error.  The ATI Wonder SVGA server
works however.

Thanks
Bao

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From: [email-masked] (Bao Chau Ha)
Subject: Library 4.4.2
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 17:05:27 GMT

Where is the additional library for 4.4.2?  The library included
in SLS 1.03 is 4.4.2, but I could only find 4.4.1 on sunsite and
tsx-11.  I need the libgmon to get AKCL compiled.  Could I use
libgmon in extra-4.4.1.tar.gz instead?

Thanks
Bao

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux (lout)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:24:46 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jeffrey Wescott '95) writes:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Sep 1993 23:20:02 GMT, [email-masked] (Laszlo Herczeg) said:
> 
>> For really small jobs, I am not using  the emacs-like editor called
>> Joe which is absolutely wonderful, and does things like underlining
>> and centering. It suffices for quick jobs, and has support for 7-bit
>> and 8-bit characters.
> 
> Emacs-like!?!?  Hahahah!  Maybe I am wrong, but isn't JOE ==> "Joe's
> Own Editor" which is distributed w/ SLS?  If so, it is HARDLY like
> Emacs and more closely resembles Wordstar for DOS.  Sorry, I am just a
> big Emacs fan.

Maybe he meant "jove", which is an emacs-like editor.

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From: [email-masked] (Donley P'Simer)
Subject: Re: The smallest Linux?
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:38:51 GMT

I was able to install Linux 0.99pl12 SLS 1.03 on a 20MB laptop. I used the
base installation with prompts and answered no to the stuff I didn't need.
Basically the system includes everything but Emacs, UUCP, GhostScript, News,
and the kernel source. The source would be neccessary if you ever wanted
to update or customize the kernel, but if you've got a friend with the
full system, they could compile a zImage for you.

--
                        {-| Donley R. P'Simer |-}

Internet:   [email-masked]            
CompuServe: 75540,263
Voice/FAX:  719-535-8955
Address:    4730 Rusina Road Apt 305
            Colorado Springs, CO. 80907

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From: [email-masked] (Brian Henry)
Subject: token ring driver wanted
Date: 27 Sep 1993 12:01:34 -0700

The title really says it all.

-- 
=========================================================================
[email-masked]         Brian L. Henry
                        Software Engineer, Attachmate Corp., Bellevue WA

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From: [email-masked] (Stu Donaldson)
Subject: Hard sector floppies.
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:36:51 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to read hard sectored floppies?  I have
some data on some hard sectored disks, and don't even know what
the original hardware was.  I need to recover this information.

I don't have a problem modifying low level drivers if necessary,
but I also don't even know if it's possible with the Pc hardware.

Thanks...

        -- Stu --

=======================================================================
Stu Donaldson                   "Can't you understand what I'm saying?" 
[email-masked]                     "What happened?  Did you Fail Telepathy?"

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From: [email-masked] (Ransel Yoho)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: lpc couldn't start lpd daemon
Date: 27 Sep 1993 20:34:26 GMT

I'm having trouble with lpr from the linux:.99pl12.  The following commands
show my configuration of lpd and the errors, each command is preceded by [#]:

[1]$ cat /etc/printcap
lp|laser|HPlaser in Library:\
        :lp=/dev/ttyS1:sd=/usr/spool/laser:br#9600:\
        :pl#66:pw#96:sh:lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:fs#021:fc#0300:

[2]$ ls  -l /usr/spool/laser/*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     daemon          3 Sep 27 14:11 /usr/spool/laser/lock
-rw-r--r--   1 root     daemon          0 Sep 24 07:48 /usr/spool/laser/status

[3]$ grep lp rc rc.local
rc.local:/etc/lpd &

[4]$ ps -aux | grep lpd
root         37  0.0  7.0   68  212  ? S    14:11   0:00 /etc/lpd

[5]$ ls /bin | lpr -P laser
[6]$ lpq
Warning: no daemon present
Rank   Owner      Job  Files                                 Total Size
1st    ransel     10   (standard input)                      629 bytes

[7]$ ls -l /usr/spool/laser/*
-rw-rw----   1 daemon   daemon  70   Sep 27 14:54 /usr/spool/laser/cfA010jigger
-rw-rw----   1 ransel   daemon  629  Sep 27 14:54 /usr/spool/laser/dfA010jigger
-rw-r--r--   1 root     daemon  4    Sep 27 14:54 /usr/spool/laser/lock
-rw-r--r--   1 root     daemon  0    Sep 24 07:48 /usr/spool/laser/status

[8]$ lpc
lpc> start laser
laser:
        printing enabled
lpc: connect: No such file or directory
        couldn't start daemon
lpc> 

[9]$ ls -l /etc/lpd /usr/bin/lpc /usr/bin/lpr /usr/bin/lpq /usr/etc/lpd
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           12 Sep 24 08:45 /etc/lpd -> /usr/etc/lpd
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root     root        21508 Aug 12 21:06 /usr/bin/lpc
-r-sr-sr-x   1 daemon   daemon      12328 Aug 12 20:58 /usr/bin/lpq
-r-sr-sr-x   1 root     daemon      14048 Aug 12 20:58 /usr/bin/lpr
-r-sr-x---   1 daemon   daemon      39696 Aug 12 16:44 /usr/etc/lpd

TCP/IP stuff on this old 386sx machine works fine, it has a 3C503 etherlink II
card; telnet, ftp, & rlogin all work fine.  The requests get spooled, but
a daemon does not get spawned to print the file.

Please advise!!!

Thanks,
        Ransel          ([email-masked])

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:50:25 MST
From: <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,
Subject: WARNING: EXPO computers won't work with TCP/IP, Linux,...

   A few netters reported networking problems with EXPO computers. It
seems that Expo Computers Inc. is not committed to making their computers
compatible with LINUX, TCP/IP, etc.  Here is a summary of my telephone
conversation with one of their Tech-Support people:

  1.  Expo Computers are not guaranteed to work with Linux, TCP/IP,
      NCSA software.  The only network software they tested are:
             NOVELL, Windows/NT
  2.  Expo computers uses 8-bit SIMM and 8-bit Cache.  They will NOT
      exchange 9-bit SIMM and 9-bit Cache for you even if this is
      highly suspected to be causing the problems.
        **NOTE**  8-bit SIMMs are usually used in MACs.  Very few 486
                  PCs use them.
  3.  EXPO computers are designed for the general public ONLY, NOT for
      scientific/computing people.
  4.  EXPO Computers Inc. will not do any exchange if the machine is
      not working with TCP/IP, LINUX, NCSA.  In other words, they
      will not do any exchange if you are running into problems with
      software which is not tested by their lab.

If you don't consider the above appropriate, please either email me or
call Dan Swanson at (800)-288-3243 (Tech Support). I will forward any
comments from the network community to EXPO Tech and post their response
later.

Thank you very much for your support.  If you are also having problems
with an EXPO computer, please send me your name, phone number.

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:52:38 MST
From: <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: **WARNING: EXPO computers will NOT work with Linux, TCP/IP,...

   A few netters reported networking problems with EXPO computers. It
seems that Expo Computers Inc. is not committed to making their computers
compatible with LINUX, TCP/IP, etc.  Here is a summary of my telephone
conversation with one of their Tech-Support people:

  1.  Expo Computers are not guaranteed to work with Linux, TCP/IP,
      NCSA software.  The only network software they tested are:
             NOVELL, Windows/NT
  2.  Expo computers uses 8-bit SIMM and 8-bit Cache.  They will NOT
      exchange 9-bit SIMM and 9-bit Cache for you even if this is
      highly suspected to be causing the problems.
        **NOTE**  8-bit SIMMs are usually used in MACs.  Very few 486
                  PCs use them.
  3.  EXPO computers are designed for the general public ONLY, NOT for
      scientific/computing people.
  4.  EXPO Computers Inc. will not do any exchange if the machine is
      not working with TCP/IP, LINUX, NCSA.  In other words, they
      will not do any exchange if you are running into problems with
      software which is not tested by their lab.

If you don't consider the above appropriate, please either email me or
call Dan Swanson at (800)-288-3243 (Tech Support). I will forward any
comments from the network community to EXPO Tech and post their response
later.

Thank you very much for your support.  If you are also having problems
with an EXPO computer, please send me your name, phone number.

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From: [email-masked] (John E. Stump)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,
Subject: TAMU release comments?
Date: 27 Sep 1993 20:53:29 GMT

Does anyone have any comments about the latest TAMU release (other than
the author)? How does it compare to SLS and Slackware and MCC?

Thanks

john
-- 
--
john stump ([email-masked])
            "Is it too much to ask for perfection?"

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From: [email-masked] (Alexander Mesin )
Subject: DOS/LINUX partitions do not agree
Date: 27 Sep 1993 21:00:51 GMT

I ran into problems partitioning my drives for linux.  I was running
FDISK from DRDOS 6.0, partitioned 2 drives for DOS, and listed them to
be sure I had it right.  It said the first drive was C, and the second
drive was D (loical drive).  That was all fine, but when I ran FDISK
for Linux, it said that drives C and D were /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda4,
respectively.  So I figured, "OK, I'll make /dev/hda1 and dev/hda2 as then
Linux partitions, so I did.  When I rebooted, DOS didn't see its partitions (it
would not boot up to DOS)  It seems that DOS thinks partitions 1 and 2 are
DOS (but according to linux, they are 3 and 4).  I got around this by 
making four partitions using the DOS fdisk, and then changing the 
characteristics of /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda4 to Linux partitions.  I read that
this is not advides, so I was wondering if I did something wrong using FDISK
or something weird is going on.  I never read anything on this group
about DOS partitions "moving" in Linux.  Can anyone enlighten me?

SASHA

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