Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #268
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:13:23 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #268, Volume #6           Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:13:23 EDT

Contents:
  Re: How does Linux compar (John Will)
  A DOS partition question. (John Will)
  Re: [A]RAWDISK.SYS: QIC-80 Backup of non-DOS disks (Philip Zembrod)
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Terje Eggestad)
  Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty (Mark Buckaway)
  3c509 (aka Etherlink III) and NET-2 (Joseph Hoss)
  DigiBoard to support Linux!!!! (Gregory Gulik)
  PPP for linux??? (Matt Helgren)
  Help install X386_Mono (James F Hall)
  Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux (Dave Davey)
  Re: Where can I get source for doc ? (Dave Davey)
  Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help (John A. Green)
  Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Cannot use df (Po-ting Wu)
  TESTING -- PLEASE IGNORE (Christopher Stevens)
  Re: Can't umount! (Pawel Gburzynski)
  term? (Timothy Mark Lawless)
  Re: LPD and 1.03 (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: SoundBlaster CD-ROM support? (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Dead DIP (Brett Michaels)
  SoftLanding Message (Brett Michaels)
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
  Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)

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From: [email-masked] (John Will)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compar
Date: 26 Sep 93 22:05:00 GMT

W >I run a computationally intensive xview program under Linux on a
W >486DX33 in 8 seconds.  The same program and data set on a Sun SPARC
W >takes 11 seconds.  Both compiles were gcc.

There's lots of different models of the Sun sparc, which one were you
using.  Was it dedicated to the task at hand?  Questions... questions...

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From: [email-masked] (John Will)
Subject: A DOS partition question.
Date: 27 Sep 93 14:36:00 GMT

J >Let's say I partition my HD 110meg for linux, 10meg sway, and 50meg for
J >DOS.  Can I run DoubleSpace(which is what I have, so no flames about
J >stacker being better) on my DOS partition only?

You can run DS on the DOS partition, but Linux will not be able to access
those files with it's MS-DOS filesystem.  I don't know what the sway 
partition is for, does that rock the disk? :-)  BTW, Stacker is better,
in case nobody told you. <double grin>

J >Also, is there a way to partition my drive without having to delete
J >everything on it in the process?

Nope.  Welllllll, maybe.  I have a program FIPS08.ZIP that I found on
a BBS, it will shrink a disk partition if it's the only one on the disk.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Philip Zembrod)
Subject: Re: [A]RAWDISK.SYS: QIC-80 Backup of non-DOS disks
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 20:37:34 GMT

[email-masked] ($ Burkhard Kohl) writes:

>Juergen Prang ([email-masked]) wrote:

>: Currently a lot of work is done, to implement a driver for
>: QIC-80 (Floppycontroller-) Streamertapes. In the meantime I
>: decided to write a DOS device driver, that enables logical
>: access to non-DOS disks/partitions under DOS.

>As far as I know there is an drive for floppy tape streamers 
>for linux already available on sunsite.unc.edu:
>       /pub/Linux/kernel/tapes/ftape-0.9.tar.z
>or even higher.

Another tape-related question: The SLS installation script offers
installation from tape. Is this from QIC-Floppycontroler tape or only
SCSI tape, and how does the installation work ? Just to tar the whole
SLS directory tree onto the tape and then boot from the bootdisk and
say "installation from tape" will hardly do the job, I suppose ?
Do I need a special form of the SLS package, and if so, where can I
get it ?

--
: whoisit?  ( -- )
 ." Philip Zembrod "  ( [email-masked] ) ;

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From: [email-masked] (Terje Eggestad)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: 27 Sep 1993 16:38:40 -0500

I fail to see the purpose, or the sanity of this argument.
How can you compare hardware to software??

This is like arguing about how this VCR tape compares to that VCR
ot how the Cosby show compares to my TV!

Let me explore the posibilities here a little bit.
My 386/25 with  no cache and 8 Meg of DRAM will run rings around
a SUN IPC if I put 1meg of DRAM into it (yes I do think it still would run).

However An 486DX2/66, with external cache, localbus accelerated SVGA
card, 32 bit EISA or VESA bus, and SCSI drives, with the same amount
DRAM running linux will probably run rings around an IPC.

Terje

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Buckaway)
Subject: Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 22:59:40 GMT

Jack Roberts ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I only have one modem and would like to use it in a dialin and dialout
: capacity.  Do either of these packages allow for this without having to
: kill the getty manually in order to dialout?

Jack, a quick glance at the docs will answer your question. If it
matters, I run two dial in/out lines.

getty (getty_ps 2.07) can be setup two ways. One method permits
callouts on the same dial-in line. First, you can have getty answer
the call for you. It will monitor the modem and wait for a RING. When
it gets this, it will issue an ATA to the modem and it answers the
call. The only problem with this is the serial line is held open
constantly and will not be available to other programs to call it. The
second method is to let the modem answer the phone. getty does not
hold the line but just waits for the DCD line to do something.
Alternatively, it can wait for a character to do something.

Check the man page. It's all in there.

Mark

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Hoss)
Subject: 3c509 (aka Etherlink III) and NET-2
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 22:32:36 GMT

I was wondering if anyone has had any luck getting Linux (SLS distribution) to 
work with a 3com 3c509 (combo, for what its worth).  I think that I have 
uncommented the appropriate lines in CONFIG and modified the Makefile to 
include el3.o (after copying the 3c509.c file to el3.o).  The new kernel seems 
to find the card on bootup (it spews some lines starting with eliii, which do 
list the right IRQ and I/O address).  However, the line in rc.net

                               ifconfig eth0 130.99.34.55 ...

gacks and spews some errors along the lines of

SIOCSIFADDR invalid argument, 
SIOCGIFFLAGS invalid argument
etc.

It apparently doesn't like the eth0 device.   The file /dev/eth0 is linked to 
/dev/wd0.  Is this right for the 3c509?  The link was created by the 
installation.

The ifconfig command for lo don't complain.  The route add 130.99.24.0 command 
complains with a Network cannot be reached error.

Any hints/ideas would be appreciated.

Joe Hoss
[email-masked]
Joseph Hoss
3M Company
EIS/IT

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: [email-masked] (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: DigiBoard to support Linux!!!!
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:19:41 GMT

I guess all that nagging worked!!!!

I just got off the phone with tech support at DigiBoard, and I
was told they will have Linux drivers available for their products
in about 8 weeks!!!!

Their products are a bit pricey, but it's nice to see commercial
vendors support Linux!

-greg

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help.misc,comp.os.linux
From: [email-masked] (Matt Helgren)
Subject: PPP for linux???
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 23:00:18 GMT

Anyone know where I can find ppp for linux?  I had thought dp-ppp had been
ported to linux but I am not sure.  Thanks for any info.

Matt Helgren
[email-masked]

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Subject: Help install X386_Mono
From: [email-masked] (James F Hall)
Date: 27 Sep 93 18:33:49 -0600

I need some help in installing the mono server for X on my machine.
Anyone have any experience with this?

Basically, I can get X to run, but all I ever get is a bunch of
static, or vertical lines on my screen.  Seems like the video mapping
isn't set correctly.

I appear to be able to move the mouse, because if I move it, the
shading of the lines on the screen seem to shift around or change
brightness.  There were no errors reported when I issued % startx

But I can't really use X at this point, because I can't see what I am
doing.

--

My system: 386dx with 8Mb physical memory, Dexxa 2-button Microsoft-
compatible mouse, older vga card with 256k vga ram.  I'd rather not
buy a higher-quality vga card, since I really won't be using X to do
more than view DVI files, and to use gnuplot, both of which are
_essential_.

--

I think I had posted this before, but either no one felt they could
repond meaningfully, or my poster was broken.  I would appreciate the
help, though.  Getting X to run is the last thing on my "to-do" list
before Linux is fully tailored for me.

I'd also be open to a one-on-one dialog with any Linux X-wizard.

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From: [email-masked] (Dave Davey)
Subject: Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 00:25:28 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Byron Faber) writes:

>So I guess the answer is that there is not word processor for linux?

There is "doc", which I have to admit I have not used seriously enough to
evaluate, and I cannot see any obvious reasony why the Andrew system "ez"
could not be ported to linux since it is an X client.  It would probably
consume a lot of disk space though!

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From: [email-masked] (Dave Davey)
Subject: Re: Where can I get source for doc ?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 00:35:16 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Vince Taluskie) writes:

>doc looks like a great package and would be very useful to my users -
>where can I get source that I can build on my Irix and AIX boxes ?

interviews.stanford.mit

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From: [email-masked] (John A. Green)
Subject: Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:11:31 GMT

I think my monitor is exploding too!

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (John Banghart) writes:
>Ok, here's the deal.
>I have a tvga8900cl card with 1mb.  I installed SLS 1.03 and the whole
>thing went off without a hitch.  I modified the Xconfig files and set it
>up to the best of my ability.  I inserted a line for my chipset and
>modified the other parts according to the FAQ.  Xwindows runs fine but
>when I start it up, my monitor flickers, makes a awfully loud *click*
>and the screen goes dead.  Not just blank, but dead.  The power is still
>on though. After about 1/2 a second it flickers again, and then X starts
>to come up.  It also seems that the monitor is growing abnormally hot
>after what seems to be a short period of time.

FUNNY you should mention this...!

I just went through the same procedure, with EXACTLY the same software
& tvga card, two days ago.  It sounds like you are running into the same
problem that I did; your monitor is interlaced, and you are trying to run
X as though the monitor is non-interlaced (or vice-versa).

Try changing your Modes entry:
     "1024x768"   to   "1024x768i".
That worked for me.  But I actually took that entry out entirely, and just
use the 800x600 config; it's a lot more legible on my screen.

NOW: please take this advice for what it's worth: very little.  I just
started on this Linux/X/vga business, and...

My monitor is still EXPLODING.  I just sat down in the den, and was
startled to hear the crackle of electricity.  I looked at my monitor, and
it was black (screen-saver), except for the odd flash and flicker and
sound of electical cracking.

Electricity makes me nervous at the best of times.  Guess how long it
took me to kill the power on the monitor, computer, and every other
electrical appliance that just looked at me funny.

HELP!???   Is it the screen saver?  X server?  Bad card?  Bad monitor?
Bad hair day?   Mine is a 'Darius' interlaced SVGA monitor HRV-1025.
Even after I turned it off, it crackled.  It's staying off until I get
some advice.  So there.
-- 
John A Green                           PROGRESS programmer at large   
[email-masked]              Vancouver, Canada

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:42:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark Buckaway) writes:
>Jack Roberts ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: I only have one modem and would like to use it in a dialin and dialout
>: capacity.  Do either of these packages allow for this without having to
>: kill the getty manually in order to dialout?

>callouts on the same dial-in line. First, you can have getty answer
>the call for you. It will monitor the modem and wait for a RING. When
>it gets this, it will issue an ATA to the modem and it answers the
>call. The only problem with this is the serial line is held open
>constantly and will not be available to other programs to call it. The
>second method is to let the modem answer the phone. getty does not
>hold the line but just waits for the DCD line to do something.

I suggest the second method (set the modem on auto-answer) unless
you want to use ringback, where your modem only answers after
a certain number of rings, then a pause, then more rings (useful
for sharing the line with your voice phone). This method is
much simpler since you don't have to worry about quite as much.
What you *do* have to make sure of is that your modem asserts
CD when a carrier is present, and that it is set to auto-answer.
You can set this in the modem's NVRAM settings (recommended)
or in the INIT string in your uugetty setup file. This way you
don't have to worry about things like INITLINE or a CONNECT chat.
-- 
--
Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Po-ting Wu)
Subject: Cannot use df
Date: 27 Sep 1993 22:03:36 -0500

Following error occurs when I use df,
        df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems

I am using SLS 1.03, mount /dev/sda2 to /               (ext2),
                           /dev/swapfile to none        (swap),
                           none to /proc                (proc).

If someone know what's wrong, please help me.

Thanks in advanced,
Po-Ting

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From: [email-masked] (Christopher Stevens)
Subject: TESTING -- PLEASE IGNORE
Date: 28 Sep 1993 03:14:58 GMT

TESTING -- PLEASE IGNORE.  Thank you.
--
                                                Christopher Stevens

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[email-masked]                                             [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Pawel Gburzynski)
Subject: Re: Can't umount!
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 20:17:54 GMT

[email-masked] (Matthew J. Ryan) writes:

>  Please help - I dont want to shutdown my system - This has
>happen before, same installation, and last time it ate
>/usr/local and /usr, and I had to reinstall.

umount won't work if the target directory (of a subdirectory thereof) is
the current directory of at least one process (including your shell).

======================================================================
Pawel Gburzynski, Associate Professor, Department of Computing Science
       University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta CANADA  T6G 2H1
e-mail: [email-masked], tel: (403) 492-2347, fax: (403) 492-1071
======================================================================

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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Mark Lawless)
Subject: term?
Date: 28 Sep 1993 03:43:25 GMT

I am real new to linux.. Can anyone tell me what i would use term for?
and how to use it.. If all this is in a faq i would be happy to look
it up if i knew where it was and what it was..

Thanx.
Tim.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:12:00 +0100
From: [email-masked] (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: LPD and 1.03

Hello Eric and all others,

on 21.09.93 Eric Sulzner wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX:

ES> I was able to solve my lpd and lpr problems by running them with strace
ES> -f in separate windows so I could watch both.  Most of the problems were
ES> errors trying to open files or devices.
ES>
ES> BTW, I think there's an SLS 1.03 and a Slackware 1.03 now, so you need
ES> to specify.

My script "lpd.build" (see C.O.L.A) is useable for both - with Slackware,
you just have to remove the "cat /etc/lpd & >>rc.local" line...

It was supposed to setup remote printing only - but directories & file with 
the right permissions will get setup, too...

Greetings ... Eberhard

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:13:14 +0100
From: [email-masked] (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster CD-ROM support?

DN> ^AMSGID: nigel.msen.com 2734268f
DN> ^AORIGID: <[email-masked]>
DN> From: [email-masked] (David Nicholson)

Yes, you do not have to form a question - the answer is "of course". Since a 
long time... All kinds of drives. Data & audio.

ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/cdrom/sbpcd04.tgz

Greetings ... Eberhard

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From: [email-masked] (Brett Michaels)
Subject: Dead DIP
Date: 28 Sep 1993 00:36:19 -0400

I have been working with DIP and SLS 1.0.3.  I followed all of the latest
NET-2 instructions.

When I use DIP I can not get it to talk to the modem.  I have a 14.4 modem
attached to /dev/cua1.  

I use:

        dip -t

        >port /dev/cua1
        >speed 9600
        >reset          (nothing happens to the modem)
        >dial xxxxxxx   (no string is sent)

Then when I exit dip via a ^C, the modem line is frozen for use by other
comm. programs.  I have to reboot.  No processes seeem to be runningnas
shown by ps.

The /dev/cua1 and moem work fine for normal telecom.

Any clues?

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From: [email-masked] (Brett Michaels)
Subject: SoftLanding Message
Date: 28 Sep 1993 00:38:35 -0400

Anyone know how to get rid of the softlanding message that appears just
before the login prompt?

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From: [email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:22:46 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Terje Eggestad) writes:
>I fail to see the purpose, or the sanity of this argument.
>How can you compare hardware to software??
>
>This is like arguing about how this VCR tape compares to that VCR
>ot how the Cosby show compares to my TV!
>
>Let me explore the posibilities here a little bit.
>My 386/25 with  no cache and 8 Meg of DRAM will run rings around
>a SUN IPC if I put 1meg of DRAM into it (yes I do think it still would run).
>
>However An 486DX2/66, with external cache, localbus accelerated SVGA
>card, 32 bit EISA or VESA bus, and SCSI drives, with the same amount
>DRAM running linux will probably run rings around an IPC.
>
>Terje

As the original person who started this thread I must say that my intentions
were to elaborate in the artical itself and not the subject header.  As far
as a general comparison between the two, I think it is perfectly valid since
we are talking about systems that can potentially run the same ported software
, applications that can be directly compared because they are identical at the
source level.  Not only can this comparison be kind of objective but helpful.

The SUN IPC costs many times more than a typical Linux system.  That is even
if you took a 'Maxed Out' PC and put Linux on it you could give the IPC a run
for its money.

P.S. I am sorry about your computer, time to upgrade rather than get angry.

-- 
========================
[email-masked]
Bikram Dhaliwal
(416) 845-4567

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From: [email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:28:37 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (John A. Green) writes:
>I think my monitor is exploding too!
>In article (John Banghart) writes:
>>Ok, here's the deal.
>>I have a tvga8900cl card with 1mb.  I installed SLS 1.03 and the whole
>>thing went off without a hitch.  I modified the Xconfig files and set it
>>up to the best of my ability.  I inserted a line for my chipset and
>>modified the other parts according to the FAQ.  Xwindows runs fine but
>>when I start it up, my monitor flickers, makes a awfully loud *click*
>>and the screen goes dead.  Not just blank, but dead.  The power is still
>>on though. After about 1/2 a second it flickers again, and then X starts
>>to come up.  It also seems that the monitor is growing abnormally hot
>>after what seems to be a short period of time.
>
>
>FUNNY you should mention this...!
>
>I just went through the same procedure, with EXACTLY the same software
>& tvga card, two days ago.  It sounds like you are running into the same
>problem that I did; your monitor is interlaced, and you are trying to run
>X as though the monitor is non-interlaced (or vice-versa).
>
>Try changing your Modes entry:
>     "1024x768"   to   "1024x768i".
>That worked for me.  But I actually took that entry out entirely, and just
>use the 800x600 config; it's a lot more legible on my screen.
>
>
>NOW: please take this advice for what it's worth: very little.  I just
>started on this Linux/X/vga business, and...
>
>HELP!???   Is it the screen saver?  X server?  Bad card?  Bad monitor?
>Bad hair day?   Mine is a 'Darius' interlaced SVGA monitor HRV-1025.

No, it certainly is not a screen saver.  You must be careful because
the wrong settings in your Xconfig can permanently dammage your monitor.
I have read many reports about people frying or burning out monitors.

Good news though, It sounds like you have the exact same equipment as I
have, that is: tvga8900, and a Darius HRV-1024 (?).

I have posted my Xconfig before (a few days ago) and it is the one that
works perfectly with my setup in colour.  So let me know if you want me
to post it again.

-- 
========================
[email-masked]
Bikram Dhaliwal
(416) 845-4567

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