Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #269
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 09:13:06 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #269, Volume #6           Tue, 28 Sep 93 09:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: SoftLanding Message (Lanfranchi Thierry)
  New Great Linux Plus CDROM (Roman Yanovsky  [email-masked])
  Summary of (Re: Common Lisp on 486 machines?) (Tomohiro Shibata)
  Re: Memory LEAKING!*=--.._ (Marino Ladavac)
  A Western Digital 8003E TCP/IP driver for Linux (Mikel L. Forcada)
  Linux as Gateway (Antonio Moreno Peleteiro)
  ET4000 and 32K or more colors on X (Stavros Sotirchos)
  Re: NetBSD, FreeBSD or Linux on IBM AMBRA platform? (Henrik Lund)
  Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (R. Stewart Ellis)
  Trantor support in Linux (Tony White)
  Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux (R. Stewart Ellis)
  Re: ET4000 and 32K or more colors on X (JEFF EPLER)
  Re: Word Processor for Linux (lout) (R. Stewart Ellis)
  linux and modems? (CAM PROCTOR)
  Office Package (Island Draw Write Paint) for Linux (Thomas Uhl)

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From: [email-masked] (Lanfranchi Thierry)
Subject: Re: SoftLanding Message
Date: 28 Sep 1993 06:48:41 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Brett Michaels) writes:
|> Anyone know how to get rid of the softlanding message that appears just
|> before the login prompt?
|> 
|> 
|> 

Yes : 'rm /etc/issue'

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From: [email-masked] (Roman Yanovsky  [email-masked])
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: New Great Linux Plus CDROM
Date: 28 Sep 1993 05:22:56 GMT

=====================================================================

        NOT JUST ANOTHER LINUX + 386BSD CD-ROM.

Trans-Ameritech presents LINUX SLS/Slackware AND 386BSD and MULTYMEDIA CD-ROM.

A new Linux CD-ROM is available! But not just Linux. Also 386BSD and more.
Here is a brief summary of why we think this CD-ROM is the best.
As the price of only $30 puts it in the same price category as the JANA 
product, I'll base my comparison on it.

We provide 2 versions of SLS distribution - a very stable 1.02 and the new 1.03
and also the SLACKWARE distribution! Linux installs directly from the CD-ROM
on almost any hardware configuration.

1. The Trans-Ameritech Linux CD-ROM is not just a mirror of some ftp site. 
In addition to the full SLS distributions we supply a "live" image of a 
configured system. This is great if you don't want files that are not used 
very often to garble your hard disk. One example is manpages - use them 
directly from the CD-ROM. Same applies to emacs lisp files, info files etc.
How many fonts do you need? Have them all! Space is no problem.

2. Uncompressed sources are available for instant reference.

3. Several versions of the Linux kernel are provided precompiled to cover 
different hardware options including drivers for Sony-31A and Sound Blaster 
CD-ROMs.

4. Patches to support sound cards are included. Take this compiled kernel IF 
YOU WANT. If not - use a small kernel with no unused ballast.

5. Install Linux directly from the Sony-31A or Sound Blaster CD-ROM drive as
well as standart SCSI and Mitsumi types.

6. We are running Linux on several PCs to make sure that our configurations
really work. We don't wait for official SLS release for certain extra drivers
and utilities. If they work here, we include it as an option on the CDROM.

7. For your convenience a full recent distribution of 386BSD *NIX is provided
on the same CD-ROM.

8. Some space is dedicated to what takes too much room on hard disks - 
sounds and pictures. They are usable with the Linux sound/gif tools and under 
MS-DOS too!

9. A few choice MS-DOS applications are included in the assumption that the
majority of Linux users run DOS occasionaly. Or use it from dos-emu!
Most of the MS-DOS stuff comes from the SIMTEL20 archive. Naturally only part 
of it made it to the first CDROM. However the new releases will include other 
files from SIMTEL20, GARBO etc. So if you subsribe to the Trans-Ameritech 
Linux+ CDROM, you will not only get updated Linux, but over a year you will get
the full SIMTEL20 collection as an extra bonus.

10. Trans-Ameritech is a well established company with efficient organization
to guarantee on-time printing and shipping of this product. There will be a
significant discount if you subscribe for future releases.

But the best part is that YOU will decide what to put on the next edition!
We'll count votes and provide most popular software on the next one.

You can order by phone (408) 727-3883 or by FAX (408) 727-3882.
Our address is:
2342A Walsh Avenue
Santa Clara, CA 95051

Shipping overseas (as in UK and Germany) is $6.
Shipping in US is $5.
Pay by cheque or credit card.
COD in continental US is $6 extra if you want it.

The price for a single CD-ROM is $30. 
California residents, please include tax.

We plan to make a new release every 3 month. Subscription price is $20 per CD
for a total of $80 for a year.

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From: [email-masked] (Tomohiro Shibata)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.software,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Summary of (Re: Common Lisp on 486 machines?)
Date: 28 Sep 1993 06:13:35 GMT

Hi everybody.

  I have received a lot of mail for below question.

#   I want to use Common Lisp such as ExCL, KCL and AKCL.
# Is there anyone out who can use such Lisp on 486 machines, and
# on which OS do they run?
        
  I am pleased very much that I could receive quick mail.
And I also have some mails that say post summery of the answers,
so I summerize the answers here.

  [email-masked], [email-masked] and [email-masked]
recommend me to see the Lisp FAQ, especially part 4.

  [email-masked], [email-masked],[email-masked],
[email-masked] (Martin Cracauer) and [email-masked]
suggested to use CLISP on Linux. [email-masked] also  AKCL on Linux
was OK.

  [email-masked], [email-masked] and
[email-masked] 's letter says we can use Allegro CL/PC on
WIndows3.1

  Thank you all of them very much!! But I feel giddy there are many
candidates...
If there were a discussion about comparing among Lisps, please let me know..

--
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Tomohiro Shibata (email: [email-masked])
Inoue-Inaba Laboratory,
Department of Mechano-informatics,
University of Tokyo; Japan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin.help,comp.os.linux
From: [email-masked] (Marino Ladavac)
Subject: Re: Memory LEAKING!*=--.._
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:15:45 GMT

: [email-masked] writes:
: 
: >Hello!
: >     Just installed SLS 0.99.12 and hooked that baby right up to the
: >net. All went great and life was good UNTIL I did a top or a free.
: >     Here output RIGHT after bootup! HELP! I'm missing 15 meg!
: >     Check this out...........
: 
: >Here's the free output:
: 
: >             total       used       free     shared    buffers
: >Mem:         14964      13792       1172       1856      10696
: >Swap:            0          0          0

Slightly on a tangent, free reports only 13800 K total on my 16 M
machine. Its .99pl10, btw.

Does anyone know where did the rest go (I know that 1 meg is kernel text
plus IO space; I'm still missing at least a megabyte?)

Included in hte kernel:
SYSV IPC,
ext2, minix, dos,
no SCSI,
inet,
no soundcards.

Thanks,

/Alby.

BTW, I read I have to enable IPC during boot. How?
-- 
Proof by Intimidation:
        "I'm bigger, therefore I'm right."

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 12:32:35 GMT
From: Mikel L. Forcada <[email-masked]>
Subject:    A Western Digital 8003E TCP/IP driver for Linux

Hi netters,
is there any driver out there for those old Western Digital
8003E cards that I can install on Linux? I wouldn't like
top write a new one myself...

Mikel L. Forcada
Universitat d'Alacant

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From: [email-masked] (Antonio Moreno Peleteiro)
Subject: Linux as Gateway
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 18:50:12 GMT

        We want linux installed as a gateway, but we are having problems with the second
        NE2000 card. Linux boots ok, but only detects the first card and seems to stop
        searching for others. Both cards are well configured (had been tested under MsDos to
        avoid IRQ conflicts and other configuration problems). It seems that we should add
        a second array for the second card in /linux/net/inet/Space.c, but how should we call
        it to make the kernel know of it? Thats the way to do both cards work?

        Any help will be apreciated.
        Please reply by email preferably. Thanks!

        Toni Moreno

================================
                                OOO  Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya (UPC)
[email-masked]                 OOO
                                OOO  Departament d'Arquitectura de Computadors.

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From: [email-masked] (Stavros Sotirchos)
Subject: ET4000 and 32K or more colors on X
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 11:02:45 GMT

I would like to use more than 256 colors in my X session.
Is this possible and if yes how?
I must mention that I have a MegaEva/2 card with ET4000 and TruaColor DAC.

Mail to [email-masked]

-- 
Sotirchos Stavros             National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece
HOME: 7 Konitsis St.,         UUCP:    mcsun!ariadne!theseas!ssotir
      Filothei, GR - 152 37   or InterNet : [email-masked]
      Athens, GREECE 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Henrik Lund)
Subject: Re: NetBSD, FreeBSD or Linux on IBM AMBRA platform?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:55:39 GMT

[email-masked] (HD Associates) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>,
>David W. Smith <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> I've just recently read about the new IBM company called AMBRA.
>(...)
>> The first is a 5 slot ISA system with 2 VESA LB slots and built in SCSI
>> and 10BaseT ethnet.

>I'm interested in this unit also, especially if the on board SCSI and
>E-net has a full 32 bit address bus to memory.

>Does anyone know how to get technical documentation from IBM/AMBRA so
>that SCSI and network drivers can be written?

I don' think IBM will tell you about their machines, as an example take
the Micro Channel Bus, Linux won't run on MCA bus machines, because
IBM won't tell "us" how to program it.

This is not to speak badly about IBM, but to warn you that 

the only machines hat aren't 100 % IBM compatible is IBM machines,

and the don' tell YOU about their secrets.

>I'll try to track something down on Monday from IBM, but a contact
>would be great.  I remember a Kafka like experience trying to get
>technical information out of AT&T (aka "We're the Phone Company")  once
>in my past.

>Peter
>-- 
>Peter Dufault               Real Time Machine Control and Simulation
>HD Associates               Voice: 508 433 6936
>[email-masked]            Fax:   508 433 5267
>Looking for: Orangey-brown front leather seats or NOS covers for '73 BMW 3.0cs

Have fun, happy linuxing
Henrik Lund
lund@dikudk

All opinions expressed are my own, but if you'd like to share them it's fine.

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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC?
Date: 28 Sep 93 12:10:30 GMT

[email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes:

[deleted]

>The SUN IPC costs many times more than a typical Linux system.  That is even
>if you took a 'Maxed Out' PC and put Linux on it you could give the IPC a run
>for its money.

Many times more?  First of all, the IPC is a three-year old target, with the
same processor as the SS 1+.  You can probably get either one with 12M (max
with 1M simms)on the IPC or 16M on the SS1+, with a 16" color monitor and
200M disk for about $2200-2500.  This gives you enet, SCSI, sound and a
monitor that is about the size of some "17 in" monitors I was looking at the
other day at a PeeCee store.  On most benchmarks this system will be
somewhat faster than a 386/40, but faster by a factor of three than a PC
system with a generic Tseng 4000 svga card.  If people want to compare
486dx2/66 machines, lets make sure they are compared against Classics or
LX's.  These machines comes with a minimum of 16M.  They also include sound,
enet, faster SCSI, so lets put those on the PC.  They may also come with a
minimum of 400M disk, but I am not sure.  Last I checked the Classic was
available at an academic discount price of about $3300 with the 15"
monitor.  The LX with a 16", I believe 32M of memory, and a 400M disk was in
the low-to-mid $4000 range.  I believe these computers would outperform the
high-end PC at about the same price with comparable features at comparable
price.  Raw speed is not the only issue, however.  On many tasks it will
take you a long time to pay back the investment of time it takes you to port
or find a ported version of a package that compiles out of the box on a Sun.
Linux is a wonderful thing, but if you want access to all the free packages
on the net, SunOS 4.1.3 still provides an edge and the costs are comparable
for comparable performance.  Also with SunOS on SPARC you never have to deal
with IRQ's, DMA conflicts or base address conflicts for your enet, asynch,
parallel, mouse,sound and video adapters.

>P.S. I am sorry about your computer, time to upgrade rather than get angry.

No need for most tasks, unless he is like the DOS heads I know who want the
latest hardware so they can do one thing at a time faster.  I still find a
386/16 with 8M, slow RLL disk, 8-bit enet and standard ET4000 video adapter,
running SVR4 (slow) to be preferable to a faster PC running Windoze or DOS.

>-- 
>------------------------
>[email-masked]
>Bikram Dhaliwal
>(416) 845-4567

-- 
  R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765   ___________________
  Humanities & Social Science,  GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst.    /   _____  ______ 
  Flint, MI 48504      [email-masked]               /        / /  /  / /
  Gopher,News and sendmail maintainer, all around hack /________/ /  /  / /

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From: [email-masked] (Tony White)
Subject: Trantor support in Linux
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 12:36:55 GMT

Is there support for the Trantor T130 SCSI card available
for Linux? I'd really like to use my Panasonic CDR-25!

Thanks.

-- 
========================================================================
Tony White                            | Phone:  (613) 765-4279
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.          | Fax:    (613) 763-4222
Dept. 0R00, P.O. Box 3511, Station C, | 
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7      | email:  [email-masked]
========================================================================

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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Subject: Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux
Date: 28 Sep 93 12:43:42 GMT

[email-masked] (Dave Davey) writes:

>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Byron Faber) writes:

>>So I guess the answer is that there is not word processor for linux?

>There is "doc", which I have to admit I have not used seriously enough to
>evaluate, and I cannot see any obvious reasony why the Andrew system "ez"
>could not be ported to linux since it is an X client.  It would probably
>consume a lot of disk space though!

ez was ported by Michael O'Reilly, the author of term, who might argue about
how easy it was.  He uploaded it to sunsite about 2 weeks ago.

-- 
  R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765   ___________________
  Humanities & Social Science,  GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst.    /   _____  ______ 
  Flint, MI 48504      [email-masked]               /        / /  /  / /
  Gopher,News and sendmail maintainer, all around hack /________/ /  /  / /

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From: [email-masked] (JEFF EPLER)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: ET4000 and 32K or more colors on X
Date: 28 Sep 1993 12:43:42 GMT

Cc: [email-masked]

[email-masked] (Stavros Sotirchos) writes:

>I would like to use more than 256 colors in my X session.
>Is this possible and if yes how?
>I must mention that I have a MegaEva/2 card with ET4000 and TruaColor DAC.

As far as I know, no support for greater than eight bits color depth
is supported by Xfree, and will not be in the next release.

However, I think that sometime in the future this capability will be
supported.  (I saw one comment that said, basically, "Wait for 2.1")

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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux (lout)
Date: 28 Sep 93 12:47:08 GMT

[email-masked] writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jeffrey Wescott '95) writes:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Sep 1993 23:20:02 GMT, [email-masked] (Laszlo Herczeg) said:
>> 
>>> For really small jobs, I am not using  the emacs-like editor called
>>> Joe which is absolutely wonderful, and does things like underlining
>>> and centering. It suffices for quick jobs, and has support for 7-bit
>>> and 8-bit characters.
>> 
>> Emacs-like!?!?  Hahahah!  Maybe I am wrong, but isn't JOE ==> "Joe's
>> Own Editor" which is distributed w/ SLS?  If so, it is HARDLY like
>> Emacs and more closely resembles Wordstar for DOS.  Sorry, I am just a
>> big Emacs fan.

>Maybe he meant "jove", which is an emacs-like editor.

Since joe, jove and emacs are all insert-mode editors that understand
^F,^B,^N,^P,^A and ^E, I would arrange them like:

vi--elvis-----vile-----------------------joe-------------jove---------emacs

(I left out uemacs on purpose because the last couple of versions I tried
did idle-waiting and mucked with the permissions of the files I edited with
it.)

In the above scheme joe would be (sorta) emacs-like.

-- 
  R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765   ___________________
  Humanities & Social Science,  GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst.    /   _____  ______ 
  Flint, MI 48504      [email-masked]               /        / /  /  / /
  Gopher,News and sendmail maintainer, all around hack /________/ /  /  / /

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From: [email-masked] (CAM PROCTOR)
Subject: linux and modems?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 12:51:51 GMT

I have a 14.4K baud infotel modem.  Originally it was on com3 when I installed 
linux.  When i try to access the modem all I get is "/dev/modem (cua2, ttyS2) 
is busy" or when trying to use minicom "Sorry cannot open /dev/modem".  I 
tried relinking /dev/modem and even tried accessing cua2 and ttyS2 directly.  
Still nothing worked.  Last night in desperation I removed my serial board and 
disabled com1 (com2 is still there... it's my rodent) and reset the modem 
(internal) to com1.  it still gives me the same errors on cua0 as when i was 
on cua2.  

HELP!

Please reply via email.
cam
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas Uhl)
Subject: Office Package (Island Draw Write Paint) for Linux
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 12:33:08 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi everybody!

As I already mentioned I asked Island for a port of their quite powerfull
office software package "Draw, Write, Paint" to Linux. It contains a
Wordprocessor, a program for creating Images and another for vector
grafics. I think it would be the right thing for everybody who is
locking for a standard software package. 

I got an answer some minutes ago. They know Linux, but at the moment they
have no plans to make a port. This may change if they will see a real market
for a Linux port. 

Now it is your turn!!! Please send me an E-Mail if you are pricipially willing
to bye a package like "Draw, Write, Paint" for Linux. 

I want to show that there _IS_ a market for commercial Linux software. Please
don't dissapoint me :-).

Send your E-mail to the following address:

        [email-masked]

Thanks for your efforts!

   Thomas

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