Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #285
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 19:13:08 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #285, Volume #6            Mon, 4 Oct 93 19:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Simple courtesy ([email-masked])
  How to load a Coherent cpio into Linux? (Patrick Draper)
  Re: Forward: QIC-80 (Juergen Prang)
  Re: LILO Default to MSDOS? (Joerg Stenger)
  SCSI for Linux? (Kevin Routh)
  nntpd (Mark Swanson)
  Office Package (Island Dr (John Will)
  Adaptec 1522 support, SLS 1.03? ([email-masked])
  Mice (Dyllanne)
  Warning Message during Installation (Tony Wang)
  Re: Warning Message during Installation (Risto Kankkunen)
  Re: Adaptec 1522 support, SLS 1.03? (goodyear john)
  Re: Office Package (Island Dr (Jay Anderson)
  Re: Warning Message during Installation (Haak)
  CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Michael Will)
  Re: Adaptec 1522 support, SLS 1.03? (Dr. Kirk C. Aune)
  SQL RDBMS (David Tannen)
  term+archie (Ronald Florence)
  networking with SLS 1.03 (Jun Yang)
  testing, pls ignore ([email-masked])
  X _bug_ (was Re: Problem with xdm...) (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: The smallest Linux? (Christoph Adomeit)

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Simple courtesy
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 15:12:22 GMT

AHHHHHHH!

If I see one more post asking, "What is Linux?  Will it run on my
SuperTurboZippy 386-16?  Is it Unix?" post, I'm going to become violent.
Since the people who post these things obviously don't have the common
courtesy to actually *READ* the Linux groups before blindly posting,
perhaps we should do them a favor.  Everyone should collect a complete
set of HOWTO's, and whenever one of the above questions appear, send them
to the poster.

Cripes, I'm only 26 and I'm already complaining about the young
whippersnappers who don't have a clue about politeness. :-)

- Rich

-- 
Rich Mulvey                 Amateur Radio: N2VDS              Rochester, NY
[email-masked]         "Ignorance should be painful."

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: [email-masked] (Patrick Draper)
Subject: How to load a Coherent cpio into Linux?
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 13:49:17 GMT

Hi,

I've got a backup of all my Coherent stuff that I'd like to load
into Linux. The backup is in the Coherent cpio format on a diskette.

The trouble is that I can't load it into Linux. There's a difference
between Coherent's cpio and others because I can backup and restore
a diskette that I made only with Linux in the Linux cpio format.

I purposefully used cpio to back up my stuff because the manual said
that it's more portable than tar, however, I've never had trouble with
tar before.

I can't reinstall my backup to Coherent and used a different format 
because Coherent isn't on my hard drive anymore.

Thanks in advance,

 /\/\ |Patrick Draper                        Mr. Order, he runs at a|
/ /_.\|Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc.      good pace, but old  |
\  /./|e-mail: [email-masked]                      Mother chaos is   |
 \/\/ |Lansing, Michigan                          winning the race. |

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From: [email-masked] (Juergen Prang)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.bugs
Subject: Re: Forward: QIC-80
Date: 4 Oct 93 15:53:17 GMT

[email-masked] (Dave Burgess) writes:

>By the way, about two weeks ago, there was an announcement for a
>QIC-40/80 device driver that would let DOS back up the 386BSD partition
>using an image backup format.  I have just used it to back my drive up,
>and I am please to say that version 1.1 (which is the most recent
>version) works at least as well as advertised.

>While this does not get a native *BSD driver for the tapes written, it
>does allow us to at leat back up the hard drive while we get it going.

>The program is available from ftp.uni-duisberg.de (I think).  I have put
                                           ^^^^
Just a short note from the author: it is on ftp.uni-duisburg.de
                               directory:   /pub/pc/misc

>version 1.1 up for anonymous FTP here in the pub directory.  It is
>called rawdsk11.zip and is a DOS zip file.

>-- 
>TSgt Dave Burgess
>NCOIC AL/Management Information Systems Office
>Brooks AFB, TX
-- 
   Juergen Prang           |     [email-masked]
   University of Duisburg  |********************************************
   Electrical Engineering  |     Logic is a systematic method of coming
   Dept. of Dataprocessing |     to the wrong conclusion with confidence

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From: [email-masked] (Joerg Stenger)
Subject: Re: LILO Default to MSDOS?
Date: 4 Oct 1993 16:03:09 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked], Warrior Of Darkness <[email-masked]> () writes:
>Greetings,
>
>I would also like to do what is needed to setup LILO to boot DOS by default,
>since my system is also used by DOS *puke* users who would prefer booting
>straight DOS without having to specify the OS explicitly on bootup. So if there
>is a possibility to do this, please post it here!
>
>Thx,
>DrAkHaI

First of all You should read the FAQ and the documentation that comes with
lilo. Everything I will tell You can be found there.

The default Boot-image is the first one that appears in the /etc/lilo/config.
In Your case Your config should look like:
---- begin /etc/lilo/config ---
boot = /dev/<Your Boot-device (probably Your 1st HD, i.e. /dev/hda)>
prompt
delay = <what time do You like?>
message = <Your message file with path >
compact
other = /dev/<Your DOS-partition (probably /dev/hda1)>
        table = /dev/<Your bootdevice (probably /dev/hda)>
        label = <Whatever you want, maybe "Dos"?>

image = <Where is You Linux Image? mine is "/zImage">
        root = /dev/<Your Linux-partition (probably /dev/hda2)>
        label= <Whatever You want, maybe "Linux"?>
--- end /etc/lilo/config ---
Don't forget to do a "sh /etc/lilo/install" whenever You alter either Your 
config-file or one of the images.
Hope that helps,
Joerg
PS: Questions like Yours belong to col.help.
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E-Mail:    [email-masked]   [134.91.4.79] 
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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Routh)
Subject: SCSI for Linux?
Date: 4 Oct 1993 16:17:40 GMT

I am looking for a SCSI controller which is compatable with Linux.  I
would like the least expensive available which will give reasonable
performance.  Anyone know (or own) such a beast?  I am purchasing a
second disk for Linux and would like to buy a SCSI rather than IDE.
Thanks.

--
Kevin C. Routh                 Internet:    [email-masked]
Ford Electronics               IBMmail (PROFS):               USFMCTMF
IC Engineering
17000 Rotunda Drive, LN-024A   Voice mail:              (313) 337-5136
Dearborn, MI  48121-6010       FAX:                     (313) 248-6244

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Swanson)
Subject: nntpd
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 16:09:58 GMT

nnptd[88]: read_groups: malloc 0 bytes: No such file or dir.
unexpected response from ... server: 503.

I have all the other networking stuff working.
I have gone through all nntpd's config files and all the files that it needs
are present in my system with proper permissions with the exception of rnews.
I do not have it.  Could it be the problem?  Can I link it with sendmail?

Please reply even if you are a few weeks behind the messages.  Thanks!
-- 
Mark Swanson.    [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Will)
Subject: Office Package (Island Dr
Date: 2 Oct 93 17:43:00 GMT

TO>I got an answer some minutes ago. They know Linux, but at the moment they
TO>have no plans to make a port. This may change if they will see a real 
TO>market for a Linux port. 
TO>
TO>Now it is your turn!!! Please send me an E-Mail if you are pricipially 
TO>willing to bye a package like "Draw, Write, Paint" for Linux. 
TO>
TO>I want to show that there _IS_ a market for commercial Linux software. 
TO>Please don't dissapoint me :-).

Since this is the first time I ever heard of "Draw, Write, Paint", it's 
not likely that I'd agree to buy it for an unknown amount of money!
I doubt you'll find a lot of people willing to spend an undetermined amount
of money for an unknown package, think about it... :-)

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Subject: Adaptec 1522 support, SLS 1.03?
From: [email-masked]
Date: 4 Oct 93 08:46:00 -0800

I am trying to Install SLS 1.03,  It tells me that I have no SCSI 
drives or CD roms.  In reality I do.  After reading the current posts 
I notice somone said the Adaptec 1522 SCSI controller is not 
supported.  Is this true?  If so, will it ever be, or is there a work 
around?  I would like to get this up on my machine so that I can 
evaluate it before spending $$$ to get new hardware.

Thanks in advance
Garrett

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Dyllanne)
Subject: Mice
Date: 4 Oct 1993 16:38:17 GMT

Two questions about mice:

1) Can you get mice that plug into LPT1 ?
2) If so, are they compatible in XFree86? What do you set the values in
   XConfig to?

Many thanks.......

V.

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From: [email-masked] (Tony Wang)
Subject: Warning Message during Installation
Date: 4 Oct 1993 17:17:40 GMT

Hello there:

        When I was installing the Linux (SLS 1.03) on my 486/33 DX, I got the 
following warning message on the screen:

Math coprocessor using exception 16 error reporting

I just can not figure out what it means, because everything seems running ok
after I finish installing the Linux (Main base system + X11). 

        Any help or suggestion will be very appreciated.

dwang
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|       University of California, Chico                                           |
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From: [email-masked] (Risto Kankkunen)
Subject: Re: Warning Message during Installation
Date: 4 Oct 1993 18:42:18 GMT

>       When I was installing the Linux (SLS 1.03) on my 486/33 DX, I got the 
>following warning message on the screen:
>
>Math coprocessor using exception 16 error reporting

It's not a warning, but an informational message telling everything is
all right, things are working as they should and everything is really
splendid.

                                         It's that time of the year again

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From: [email-masked] (goodyear john)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1522 support, SLS 1.03?
Date: 4 Oct 1993 14:56:13 -0400

ftp to tsx-11.mit.edu.  In /pub/linux/ALPHA/scsi there are some scsi
related patches.  The One for Pl13 MAY include the 1522 support.  If not, in
that directory is an aha1522 directory that has the 152x driver in it.  I
believe the current package only includes a patch for Pl13.

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From: [email-masked] (Jay Anderson)
Subject: Re: Office Package (Island Dr
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 20:13:02 GMT

>>>>> On 2 Oct 93 17:43:00 GMT, [email-masked] (John Will) said:

TO>I got an answer some minutes ago. They know Linux, but at the moment they
TO>have no plans to make a port. This may change if they will see a real 
TO>market for a Linux port. 
TO>
TO>Now it is your turn!!! Please send me an E-Mail if you are pricipially 
TO>willing to bye a package like "Draw, Write, Paint" for Linux. 
TO>
TO>I want to show that there _IS_ a market for commercial Linux software. 
TO>Please don't dissapoint me :-).

John> Since this is the first time I ever heard of "Draw, Write, Paint", it's 
John> not likely that I'd agree to buy it for an unknown amount of money!
John> I doubt you'll find a lot of people willing to spend an undetermined amount
John> of money for an unknown package, think about it... :-)

I didn't realize that your having heard of a product was the definite
proof of it's existance.  Unfortunately for you, Island Draw, Write
and Paint are not unknown.  They've been around in the Unix market for
a number of years. I don't know where you've been, but if you're just
crawling out from under a rock that's your problem, not the rest of
ours!

:-) Have a nice day.

--
======================================================
Jay Anderson N3JMC            [email-masked]
Document Imaging Systems Adminstrator
Bristol-Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Princeton, NJ 08543               Work: (609)-252-6039

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From: [email-masked] (Haak)
Subject: Re: Warning Message during Installation
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 19:24:09 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Tony Wang) writes:
|> Hello there:
|> 
|>      When I was installing the Linux (SLS 1.03) on my 486/33 DX, I got the 
|> following warning message on the screen:
|> 
|> Math coprocessor using exception 16 error reporting
|> 

Don't woory, this is just the report, that you _have_ a coprocessor (in your 486) and that
it uses an error reporting scheme via interrupts.
Cheers,
        Oliver

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From: will@oliver (Michael Will)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: 4 Oct 1993 19:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFC / CFI       Call for Code / Call for Ideas :-)
Xsysadmin - this is what I want to write, only I think there already is
a lot of code outside? 

Please contact me if you are working on something similar, have done something
alike or have something stuffed away which did not work to well...

I would like to make a LinuxConfigurationtool for
        - usermaintainement (incl. shadow-support)
        - uucp
        - smail
        - cnews / tin
        - internet
        - cron
        - printers

I do not know whether it is a good idea to put this all into one program,
especially since many people should contribute to this program - I cannot
do it all alone. 

I will throw myself at the user-maintainement-stuff first.

The tool I would like to use for this task is the ObjectInterface/ObjectBuilder
of ParcPlace (tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/packages/OI) since it has good
documentation in paperform :-) and seems to be good c++.

Otherwise I would say: xview3?

Any Ideas - sources - to contribute?

Someone wanting to contribute a real nifty icon ?

Cheers, Michael Will 

PS: a very (!) crude drawing:
usermenue
=========================================
Username        | michaelw      |
Realname        | Michael Will          |
=========================================
Status          | locked        |
User may change password        |x| yes
                                | | no
password expire         on  | | |01.01.77|
                        off |x|
=========================================
home directory  | /home/michaelw        |
shell           | /bin/tcsh             |
=========================================
Groups  | users         | |
        | fax           | |
        | uucp          | |
        | mail          | |
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From: kaune@kellum (Dr. Kirk C. Aune)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1522 support, SLS 1.03?
Date: 4 Oct 1993 20:57:45 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: I am trying to Install SLS 1.03,  It tells me that I have no SCSI 
: drives or CD roms.  In reality I do.  After reading the current posts 
: I notice somone said the Adaptec 1522 SCSI controller is not 
: supported.  Is this true?  If so, will it ever be, or is there a work 
: around?  I would like to get this up on my machine so that I can 
: evaluate it before spending $$$ to get new hardware.

: Thanks in advance
: Garrett

: [email-masked]

You may obtain the driver from tsx-11.mit.edu in the ALPHA/scsi 
directory.  It works beautifully under my SLS 0.99p12 system and our
thanks go to Juergen Fischer.

I believe he released it for folding into the next release, but I do not
know if it made PL13.

Kirk

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| Kirk C. Aune, Ph.D.   ( [email-masked] )                           |
| Director, Associate Dean for Information Systems                      |
| School of Medicine, UNC at Chapel Hill                                |
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.os2.apps
From: [email-masked] (David Tannen)
Subject: SQL RDBMS
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 19:05:30 GMT

I need to find out what my options are for a SQL RDBMS would
be for the following operating systems: OS/2, Windows NT, 
Novell or a PC based Unix.  

I have the following server requirements:
        1) Must be able to support up to 300 users.
        2) The users will be dialing into the system via a
           high speed modems.
        3) Portable to different operating systems.

The client requirements are:
        1) The client software will be running on a PC using
           Windows 3.1.
        2) GUI will be developed using Borland Object Pascal,
           so the client SQL side needs to be available for
           this environment.

If you have any suggestions, I would be appreciate it if you would
respond to my email account ([email-masked]).  I will
summarize if others are interested in this information.
---
David Tannen
[email-masked]
==================================================================
-- "Dependance on wizardry to mitigate the fundamental limitations
--  of software is called 'hacking'."  Grady Booch.
--
-- Developing MS-Windows applications often requires 'wizardry'.
==================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.sources.wanted,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: [email-masked] (Ronald Florence)
Subject: term+archie
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 20:02:18 GMT

I've been experimenting with the term package from Linux to connect
our Suns with an Internet site via serial lines and TB+ modems.  The
term clients and ncftp seem to work fine.  I am wondering if anyone
has modified an archie client to work with term, and if sources are
available via ftp.

Is there a mailing list or newsgroup for term and term clients?
Or perhaps an up-to-date list of already modified clients?

Thanks in advance for suggestions and comments via email or to
comp.sys.sun.apps, the only one of these newsgroups we can get at our
site. 
--

                                Ronald Florence
                                [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Jun Yang)
Subject: networking with SLS 1.03
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 21:42:59 GMT

I installed SLS 1.03 with TCP/IP and am trying to get networking up and
running.  I am configurating my machine according to the NET-2-FAQ.  It
seems to me that SLS has a slightly different config than the FAQ's.  That's
OK.  But there is no /conf directory on my machine.  Did the SLS installation
somehow miss it or is there something else wrong?

Email reply preferred.  Thanks a lot for any help.

Jun

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: testing, pls ignore
Date: 4 Oct 93 18:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: jwestJwest.ecen.okstate.edu

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but my news-server doesn't recognize misc.test,
so I thought I would send the test here, where not much happens anymore.

Jim

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: [email-masked] (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: X _bug_ (was Re: Problem with xdm...)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 22:18:13 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris Vetter) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jean-Pierre Sarrato) writes:
>> 
>>    I am currently using the last Slackware release, and I have a big problem
>> with xdm. It starts normally and gives me access to an olwm session all right.
>> But when I exit olwm, the computer hangs. I must add that I have the XS3 
>> package installed. I would welcome any idea ( or a definitive answer from
>> a Linux Guru... ).
>
>It's not a prob of your XS3 package ...
>
>Now, to fix this 'bug':
>
>Login as root, go straight down to /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm and edit the config
>file (forgot it's name, sorry).
>Write the following line at the end of the file:
>
>DisplayManager.*.terminateServer:      true
>
>Save and reboot, and xdm will work correct.
>
>> JPS
>
>-- 
>

First off, lets move this out of comp.os.linux (a dying group). I'm moving it
to comp.os.linux.misc (not .help, this is a legitamate bug)

Second, while the above _WORKAROUND_ will work, it is _*NOT*_ the proper 
final solution. The proper fix is for X to be compiled so that the SIGHUP 
signal handler is either not one-shot, or is reset, so that X doesn't just 
exit on the second SIGHUP. It seems X is expecting BSD signal handling, 
and is getting POSIX.

Again, this is a serious _*BUG*_ in Xfree86 which must be fixed if Xfree86 
is to be useful in production enviornments and to be considered reliable, as 
opposed to just a toy. It wil be considered a toy by those that need a 
_working_ system, unless _KNOWN BUGS_ eventually get fixed.

Luckily, when I mentioned and fixed the kernel bug with kill -0 pid back in 
0.98pl0, it was made part of the kernel for 0.98pl1. I hope the Xfree86 
people will be as responsive to this problem has Linus was with the kernel.

P.S. Don't say: "Why don't _you_ fix this bug too?! Not unless you will give 
me a free 1GIG hard disk."

I wouldn't be so frustrated, if the people in charge and those on the 
newsgroup acknowleged this is a bug, instead of pretending it is okay. 
A bug is a bug, whether you admit it or not.

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From: [email-masked] (Christoph Adomeit)
Subject: Re: The smallest Linux?
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 01:36:33 GMT

[email-masked] (Donley P'Simer) writes:

>I was able to install Linux 0.99pl12 SLS 1.03 on a 20MB laptop. I used the
>base installation with prompts and answered no to the stuff I didn't need.
>Basically the system includes everything but Emacs, UUCP, GhostScript, News,
>and the kernel source. The source would be neccessary if you ever wanted
>to update or customize the kernel, but if you've got a friend with the
>full system, they could compile a zImage for you.

I've got a client here that runs TCP and NFS on a 8 MB Partition of a 20 MB
Drive in a 386SX with 4 MB of ram.

-- 
==============================================================================
fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity
(stolen from L.Peter Deutsch, but the signature is too good,isnt't it)
==============================================================================

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