Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #288
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 21:13:20 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #288, Volume #6            Tue, 5 Oct 93 21:13:20 EDT

Contents:
  Linux news groups... (Dave Clemans)
  Re: FidoNet software ([email-masked])
  Re: Linux news groups... (Lars Wirzenius)
  X hangs on exit. please help (Madhu Yellamalli)
  norton-like shell for unix? (Hajo Simons)
  request for text titles ([email-masked])
  Re: Problem in Printing (Savio Lam)
  Re: Problem in Printing (Peter Wai Kwok Lie)
  Problem in Printing (Chan Chi Chiu)
  >Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Gareth Bult)
  Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Gareth Bult)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd ([email-masked])
  problems with mounting dos partitions (Gerry Gucher)
  Re: any S.New Hampshire users? (Gareth Bult)
  Re: Linux news groups... (Andrew R. Tefft)
  need specs for Xconfig, for Video7 102i interlaced svga card.. (Jeff Stern)
  Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive? (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
  SLS 1.03 w/ ne2000 (Dick JunJei Lin)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Chris G. Demetriou)
  Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive? (Laszlo Herczeg)

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From: dclemans@$DOMAIN (Dave Clemans)
Subject: Linux news groups...
Date: 5 Oct 1993 15:54:01 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've seen a number of messages in this newsgroup saying that it
should be phased out, and instead more specific newsgroups like
comp.os.linux.* should be used.

Has those more specific newsgroups been created net-wide?
If they have, I suggest the newgrp messages got lost somewhere. None
of the local sites I have access to have newgrp creation messages
for linux newsgroups, other than comp.os.linux and comp.os.linux.announce.

dgc

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: FidoNet software
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:59:15 GMT

[email-masked] (ben elliston) writes:

>Has anyone seen FidoNet-compatible mail software anywhere for Linux?
>Specifically, I'm looking for a mail processor and a message reader/editor.

There is one, have a look at you favourite ftpsite somewhere in
../comm/..
Sorry, I can't find my copy to give the full name.
Joerg

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From: [email-masked] (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Linux news groups...
Date: 5 Oct 1993 17:55:44 GMT

> [ comp.os.linux is being replaced with new groups ]
> 
> Has those more specific newsgroups been created net-wide?

Yes.

> If they have, I suggest the newgrp messages got lost somewhere. None
> of the local sites I have access to have newgrp creation messages
> for linux newsgroups, other than comp.os.linux and comp.os.linux.announce.

You should contact your news administrator.  The new groups are
listed in the checkgroups message, and in the list of newsgroups
posted by David Lawrence.

(The problem might, of course, be upstream from you; in that case
you need to contact your upstream site.  Iterate as needed.)

> From: dclemans@$DOMAIN (Dave Clemans)

There seems to be something else that is wrong on your site, as well.

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From: [email-masked] (Madhu Yellamalli)
Subject: X hangs on exit. please help
Date: 5 Oct 93 16:22:04 GMT

I recently bought a pc GATEWAY2000 (486dx, 16mbRAM, 400MB IDE hard disk
crystal scan 1572 monitor). I installed Linux on my system. Everything
seems to be working fine. But I have a problem when exiting X. The faq
says to exit X kill the last process started in .xinitrc which is olwm
in my case. But when i kill my window manager, I am not getting back to
the shell prompt. Instead my whole screen freezes with vertical stripes
on it. I doesn't know what is happening.I have to reboot the system when
ever this happens, which is a big pain. I even tried alt-ctrl-backspc.
(I did this thinking that the X server was not killed) Even that is not
working. Can somebody tell me what is happening and how to overcome 
this ?

thank u very much,

-madhu.

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From: [email-masked] (Hajo Simons)
Subject: norton-like shell for unix?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1993 12:33:23 +0100

Hi folks!
 
Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the
"Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS?
 
I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files 
more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-)
 
If you know such one, could you post it to
[email-masked]
or
100022,[email-masked]
 
or, could you point to a ftp-site and path that contains it?
 
thanks in advance
 
HaJo

( please only email, because I've not subscribed to this newsgroup )

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: request for text titles
Date: 5 Oct 93 14:27:50 -0600

        Please excuse if this is too off topic for some.  Like 
many of you I am the proud user of the LINIX OS.  I would like 
to know if anyone would recommend system administration texts 
that they found informative.  I have looked at the FAQs and would 
like to know more.  Again, please excuse if this information 
is in a FAQ, I missed that one obviously, or if this request 
is too off topic.
                                Thanks in advance,
                                                  -=Matthew=-  
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Crossposted-To: cs.forum
From: [email-masked] (Savio Lam)
Subject: Re: Problem in Printing
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:40:22 GMT

Chan Chi Chiu ([email-masked]) wrote:
> I've just installed the GNU Emacs 19.19.1, but I have problem in using
> it to print as it just feed papers out and print nothing.

> The printer I use is HP Deskjet 500C.

> Can anyone help?

> Furthermore, is there any word processor for Linux or X-Windows which is
> more powerful than Emacs?

Do you mean Word Processor or Text Editor? For text editor, I think
Emacs is the most powerful text editor ever made. However, if you
prefer user-friendliness to powerfulness, there is a WordStar look alike
text editor called joe. For word processor, there is 'doc' from the
InterView package. Not as good as WinWord, but it works. There is also
'ez' from the Andrew's package. However, I think LaTeX is nice too for
preparing papers or reports.

Regards,
Savio Lam.

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Crossposted-To: cs.forum
From: [email-masked] (Peter Wai Kwok Lie)
Subject: Re: Problem in Printing
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 17:06:01 GMT

[email-masked] (Chan Chi Chiu) writes:

>Furthermore, is there any word processor for Linux or X-Windows which is
>more powerful than Emacs?

Use DESQview/X to run WordPerfect 6.0 in a DOS session.  If you can
tolerate low speed, start MS Windows 3.1 Standard Mode in DESQview/X,
then run Lotus Ami Pro 3.01 can be even more powerful...  :-O~

Best Regards,
Peter Wai-Kwok Lie

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Crossposted-To: cs.forum
From: [email-masked] (Chan Chi Chiu)
Subject: Problem in Printing
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:08:23 GMT

I've just installed the GNU Emacs 19.19.1, but I have problem in using
it to print as it just feed papers out and print nothing.

The printer I use is HP Deskjet 500C.

Can anyone help?

Furthermore, is there any word processor for Linux or X-Windows which is
more powerful than Emacs?

Thanks in advanced.

Charles,
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Gareth Bult)
Subject: >Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 11:46:38 GMT

On 4 Oct 93 14:24:06 GMT;                                                   
----Roland Kwee ([email-masked]) said:                             
>In fact, I am not very happy with the Yggdrasil CD. As a CD, it is         
>expensive to produce an update, and the Yggdrasil is patchlevel 5 or 7,    
>while the newest Linux version is pl 13. Probably we are better off        
>with a bigger hard disk and the newest version from SLS or downloaded      
>from the net. E.g., Yggdrasils linux does not recognize ext2 file systems. 

The latest Yggdrasil CD is available with pl13. I presently costs $25.      

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From: [email-masked] (Gareth Bult)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 11:50:45 GMT

On 2 Oct 1993 16:53:16 GMT;                                                 
----Frederick J. Goodrum ([email-masked]) said:                       
>                                                                           
>I purchased Yggdrasil CDROM and am trying to install linux in the          
>cd_dependent mode (my hard drive is to small for the other versions)       
>I Cannot boot from the hard drive however as the kernel (sic?) cannot find 
>my CDROM.                                                                  
                                                                            
Which version of the CD?
There are 2 usual causes;
1)  You do not have your CD on the correct hardware settings.               
    you need base address 300 and IRQ 5 by default.                         
2)  Newer drives have nasty firmware that breaks the driver.                
    If you only have boot floppy rev B, you need rev C.                     
                                                                            
>According to the online doc I have to recompile linux setting the ISO-9660   
>flag. The is great if I can fit the sources on my pc. but according to the 
>doc that ain't gonna happen. This sounds like a chicken and egg problem.   
>question: Is there a minimal group of source files I can copy to my hard   
>drive to perform the recompile?                                            
>Should I request an updated CDROM (I thought the floppies and the CD       
>would be in sync)?                                                         
>Thanks in advance                                                          

The ISO9660 filesystem is compiled into the yggdrasil kernel when you get
it.. otherwise you could never load the thing could you?

:)

Gareth.                                                                     

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:59:19 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Stern) writes:
> These are two different dhrystone benchmarks, and a dhampstone
> benchmark which I compiled both under gcc (without optimization) on
> each system. To be fair, I can't remember which gcc I was running on
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the 386bsd system, the one on linux is 2.4.5.  The version of bsd I
> had was 0.1, of course, with a few patches. Linux here is SLS
> 0.99.12/1.03.  My box is a 386-33 Micronics with 8MB ram and 64K
> cache, no wait states, and a co-processor (for what it's worth).
> Also, for what it's worth, each compile had different problems which I
> pragmatically hacked, having to do with conflicts with the libraries
> on previous declarations. i can explain each of these if anyone wanted
> to get into it.. 

You you were running gcc version 1 (the default that comes with
386bsd 0.1) then that explains it.  gcc2 has a significantly better
optimizer that could easily explain this kind of speed difference.

          Mark
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From: [email-masked] (Gerry Gucher)
Subject: problems with mounting dos partitions
Date: 5 Oct 93 21:51:03 GMT

Hello Linuxers,

I have 2 problems with mounting msdos partitions under linux.

1) I have my msdos harddisk partition automatically mounted at
   boot time as /c with the following fstab entry:

   /dev/sda2       /c              msdos   defaults

   things are almost fine, except that all files and directories
   on /c belong to user root, group root and have permissions
   rwxr-xr-x, which means I cannot create or modify any files
   on the dos partition as a regular user. I tried to give 'loose'
   permissions to the mount point (/c) to the device (/dev/sda2),
   I explicitely specified 'w' as mounting option, all to no avail.

   Is there a way to automatically mount the partition at boot
   time with rw permissions on the files ? I imagine writing
   a C program with owner me and 'setuid' bit set, which is called
   by the boot script and mounts the disk would probably work, because
   when I mount manually, the permissions are all right. But I find
   this an ugly hack and wonder if there is another way to do it. 

2) I also want to have the disk drives in the fstab file, so I
   don't have to specify the whole "mount -t msdos /dev/fd...... /a"
   command to mount a file. The problem is that I don't want to
   mount the floppies when booting. I tried

   /dev/fd0H1440 /a         msdos   noauto,default
   /dev/fd1h1200 /b         msdos   noauto,default

   This properly prevents the floppies to be mounted at boot time,
   but unfortunately a simple 'mount /a' does not work either.
   What can I do except writing a 'setuid' program that does the
   work ?

Thanks for any hints

Gerry

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From: [email-masked] (Gareth Bult)
Subject: Re: any S.New Hampshire users?
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:08:38 GMT

Pointless. A set up demo can make it look as good or BETTER than any
Unix workstation.

It runs the same software as other Unix workstations, and based on the
performance I get and benchmark results of other systems, it out
performs most (if not all) other PC Unixes.                                 

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: Linux news groups...
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 22:52:49 GMT

>From: dclemans@$DOMAIN (Dave Clemans)
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>
>Has those more specific newsgroups been created net-wide?

Yes, quite a while ago.

>If they have, I suggest the newgrp messages got lost somewhere. None
>of the local sites I have access to have newgrp creation messages
>for linux newsgroups, other than comp.os.linux and comp.os.linux.announce.

Many many sites have all the new groups. Some are set up so
that newgrp messages get forwarded to a person, who may or may
not have time to create the groups.

Anyway, judging by your From: header line (above), I would
say your particular news installation needs a bit of work :-)

Seriously though, ask your news administrator to fix your From:
header and create the new groups. He can check the official group
listings from news.* if he doesn't believe you (or you can make
it easy on him and grep out the relevant info for him -- it should
even still be in the "currently active votes" periodic posting.

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Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Stern)
Subject: need specs for Xconfig, for Video7 102i interlaced svga card..
Date: 5 Oct 93 22:03:03 GMT

Didn't see any for this card in vga.dbase, so if anyone's got 'em,
would you please forward them?  Thanks.. 

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Jeff Stern <[email-masked]>
"Timex Sinclair UNIX.. coming soon to a dealer near you."
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From: [email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive?
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:10:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes:
>I used to use a ftp site before called wuarchive.xxxx.edu.
>Does anybody know what the rest of the domain is in its address
>(I forgot).  
>
>Thanks, and happy new year!
>-- 
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>[email-masked]
>Bikram Dhaliwal
>(416) 845-4567

Please!!! No more responses, the address is wuarchive.wustl.edu .
I typed mail this morning and the list of responses scrolled off my
60 line long xterm.     

I want to thank all that mailed me.

I would also like to apologize for posting something that apparantly
has nothing to do with Linux. 

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[email-masked]
Bikram Dhaliwal
(416) 845-4567

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From: [email-masked] (Dick JunJei Lin)
Subject: SLS 1.03 w/ ne2000
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:39:32 GMT

I've installed SLS 1.03 with my NE2000. I setup my network options
via doinstall of SLS 1.03 but it dosen't work ! Does this relate 
to IRQ/Port setting on NE2000 ? 

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From: [email-masked] (Chris G. Demetriou)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: 5 Oct 93 17:46:50

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>You you were running gcc version 1 (the default that comes with
>386bsd 0.1) then that explains it.  gcc2 has a significantly better
>optimizer that could easily explain this kind of speed difference.

geez, considering that 386bsd beat linux by a large percentage
with a *poorer* optimizer, i'm not sure i want to think about
with an equivalent optimizer...  *chuckle*

chris
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                    smarter than your average clam.

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From: [email-masked] (Laszlo Herczeg)
Subject: Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive?
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:04:53 GMT

Dhaliwal Bikram Singh ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I used to use a ftp site before called wuarchive.xxxx.edu.
: Does anybody know what the rest of the domain is in its address
: (I forgot).  

: Thanks, and happy new year!
: -- 
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: [email-masked]

 The address is:
wuarchive.wustl.edu
 
Please refrain from asking non-Linux specific questions in this
newsgroup if you can help it.

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