Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #289
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 09:13:09 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #289, Volume #6            Wed, 6 Oct 93 09:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Need screen manager alternative to Curses.. Vitamin C for Linux? (Jeff Stern)
  TokenRing card support? (Ziya Karakaya)
  Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot (Frank Chen)
  SLS 1.03: everything hangs except VT switching (Roger Collins)
  sys configs. WAS:  Re: X hangs on exit. please help (Terror on Tape)
  Re: Help! NFS problem with .99pl13 (Donald J. Becker)
  Re: Office Package (Island Dr (Thomas Dunbar)
  Setting active partition on second hard drive (Peter Berger)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Re: Term Binaries needed (bryan k williams)
  Re: A few problems with LINUX (Mark Chace)
  Re: ps doesn't work (Mark Chace)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Charles Hannum)
  Re: FidoNet software (Edward Walker)
  Re: How to load a Coherent cpio into Linux? (Udo Munk)
  using term (Laurent Chavey)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Gary D. Duzan)
  /etc/termcap (P Copeland)
  >Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bs (Gareth Bult)

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Stern)
Subject: Need screen manager alternative to Curses.. Vitamin C for Linux?
Date: 6 Oct 93 00:31:53 GMT

I am developing applications for UNIX and DOS which need to have screen
management (data entry boxes, menus, etc.)  I have been using curses
but it is unpredictable on different terminals and ugly these days, 
anyway.  I have seen Vitamin C for Coherent/SCO/Ultrix/DOS/etc. adver-
tised, and it comes with full source, so has anyone got it to work under
Linux?  There is also another much more expensive set called PANEL Plus
II which I gather is just about the same thing.  I would be interested 
in knowing if anyone has ported Vitamin C to Linux, or used it at all
with any UNIX or DOS, or whether they have found another package (even
shareware???) which works nicely and makes nice looking stuff?

There is another alternative, which is to be able to write something in
XWindows which I can port to Windows.  Has anyone done this either?

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:34:14 TUR
From: Ziya Karakaya <[email-masked]>
Subject: TokenRing card support?

Hi,

Has any body used IBM TokenRing card with Linux?
If so I would like to hear about.

Sincerely yours

Ziya Karakaya
Network Admin. of Department of Math.
Middle East Technical University
e-mail: [email-masked]
or [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Frank Chen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot
Date: 5 Oct 93 21:13:43

Same thing happened to me on a Laptop 386SX. It hang after the code
to detect the soundcard. However, just after the floppy drive was
detected. A line 'floppy: unexpected interrupt' shown up. And I thought
that has something to do with the hangs. Hope this will help someone
trap down the problem.

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From: [email-masked] (Roger Collins)
Subject: SLS 1.03: everything hangs except VT switching
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 01:53:21 GMT

I have installed SLS 1.03 and it has this annoying habit. About once a
day, on average, it just hangs. Everything seems hung except you can
still switch between VTs. No other keyboard input works, though, just
VT switching.

Has anyone else seen this or know how to fix?

Roger Collins

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From: [email-masked] (Terror on Tape)
Subject: sys configs. WAS:  Re: X hangs on exit. please help
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 03:01:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Madhu Yellamalli) writes:
>
>I recently bought a pc GATEWAY2000 (486dx, 16mbRAM, 400MB IDE hard disk
>crystal scan 1572 monitor). I installed Linux on my system. Everything

[problem w/his X deleted]

>working. Can somebody tell me what is happening and how to overcome 
>this ?
it's gotta be your 400MB harddrive. seriously, tho' i think that sometimes
people post so they can give their system configuration so that others
may salivate.  you've never seen _me_ mention my ZEOS 486dx2/66 before,
have you? :) :)
>
>thank u very much,
>
>-madhu.
-jonM <>< (in a VERY silly mood)
p.s.  33.22 BogoMips (tm). C:-0

-- 
[email-masked]     <><
DJ.AllStar
get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! & it's got X!!!!!!

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From: [email-masked] (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: Re: Help! NFS problem with .99pl13
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 16:08:21 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
 <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I am running .99pl13 with NFS and cannot mount a filesystem on another system. 
>When I boot up .99pl9-6 I can mount it fine.
>
>I notice that when .99pl9-6 boots, it said 3c503 GOT IRQ 5, but when .99pl13
>boots it shows the unique address but does not show an IRQ.

This is not a problem.  The recent 3c503 drivers select the first free IRQ
line in the set {5, 2/9, 3, 4} at 'ifconfig' time.

>Do I need new NET software?  I noticed in the /linux/inet directorty that there
>is a config system where you can change the ORQ address, and it is currently
>set to 7 Will changing this number to 5 fix the problem?

No.

-- 

Donald Becker                                          [email-masked]
IDA Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715                        301-805-7482

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas Dunbar)
Subject: Re: Office Package (Island Dr
Date: 6 Oct 1993 03:40:10 GMT

Island Write/Draw/Paint (for sparcs) is $605 on our state contract
price list.

   thomas

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Berger)
Subject: Setting active partition on second hard drive
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1993 12:35:00 +0100

[email-masked] (Lars Wirzenius) wrote:

 > It is possible that the following might also work.  I have neither
 > experience nor documentation (at the moment):

 > c) you install LILO as the master boot record on your first
 > hard drive and tell that to load Linux from the second hard drive

works!

bye,
    Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: 6 Oct 1993 06:05:38 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding)

In a previous article, [email-masked] (Chris G. Demetriou) says:

>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>>You you were running gcc version 1 (the default that comes with
>>386bsd 0.1) then that explains it.  gcc2 has a significantly better
>>optimizer that could easily explain this kind of speed difference.
>
>geez, considering that 386bsd beat linux by a large percentage
>with a *poorer* optimizer, i'm not sure i want to think about
>with an equivalent optimizer...  *chuckle*
>
>

386bsd doesn't have shared libraries, does it? If it does, I don't think
they're in common use. It might be more fair to make sure the Linux
binary is statically linked as well.

-- 
Patrick Volkerding
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (bryan k williams)
Subject: Re: Term Binaries needed
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 06:12:31 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (John Will) writes:
>UT>on the real machine). BUT for some reason the makefile pukes all over me
>UT>on the sun, it seems that it has a pre-ansi version of 'cc' - (is that
>UT>likely??)
>
>How about getting GNU C++ for your sun and installing that?  It's 
>specifically configured so you can bootstrap yourself up to a working
>copy with almost any C compiler, and then you'll have full ANSI C and
>C++ to boot if you desire.
Well, I might have to be root to properly install that (properly, anyway)
but perhaps not. Regardless, my solution was his: I found the site the program
originates from- there are K&R binaries there which compiled fine under cc.
 
Kinda neat running multiple Xterms over a 9600bps line plus doing Alliance VLSI
CMOS design --usable, but slow.... 
 
BTW, anyone looking to do VLSI for FREE with Linux-- contact
ftp-masi.ibp.fr    - a complete package for VHDL hardware description language
(a limited subset)
via ftp.
 
You may have to get the source & compile using gcc & -fwritable-strings option to 
make the xwindows routing program work...

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Chace)
Subject: Re: A few problems with LINUX
Date: 06 Oct 93 03:27:43 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Nicholas Johann Oddson) writes:
>First of all, I tried to use LINUX with a 100MB partition, which it didn't
>seem to like.  It complain that it wouldn't be able to use something like
>70000 sectors, so I divided it up into two 50MB partitions.  What could
>be the problem there?

A long time ago in the history of LINUX (i.e. last year) the only file
system that we had was based on an earlier version of Unix called Minix.
This file system was limited to 64Meg per partition.

Since that time, there have been new file systems created for LINUX
(ext, ext2, xiafs) that allow much larger partitions.  If you are using
one of these file systems, you can ignore the warning from fdisk and
use one large partition.

>Also, EVERY single time I boot LINUX, my keyboard is fried.....  it will
>type approximately 3-4 characters each time I hit a key (ie.  it repeats
>quite rapidly).  I thought it was typematic rate problem so I changed all
>my CMOS settings to try and correct the problem, but it didn't seem to
>help.  However, if I unplug my keyboard after LINUX has booted and then
>plug it back in, then the keyboard is totally fine.

No clue.

Note: Followups redirected to comp.os.linux.help

Mark
---
The above does not reflect the opinions of my employers

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Chace)
Subject: Re: ps doesn't work
Date: 06 Oct 93 03:18:07 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Studenten) writes:
>    When I used ps it said, I need the directory /proc and
>    the line "/proc /proc proc defaults" in /etc/fstub (or something
>    like that). After doing so and rebooting (after shutdown) everything
>    was the same. I still get the above message.
>    Can anybody help me?

I would first try doing things manually to make sure that ps and proc fs work
and also to eliminate possible problems (note: you need to be root to do this)::

mkdir /proc
mount -t proc /proc /proc
ps

If this works, then the problem is probably that the line in /etc/fstab
is incorrect (though what you indicated looks right).

If this doesn't work, then you either have an old version of mount or
your kernel was compiled without the proc fs support.

Mark
=====
The above does not reflect the opinions or ideas of my employer.

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From: [email-masked] (Charles Hannum)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: 06 Oct 1993 09:49:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Jeff Stern) writes:

   if someone has done a more careful port and measurement than i, and
   also if disk speed or tcp/ip access can be measured, either.

Two things to say about this before I see any benchmark figures:

1) When diddling lots of small files or other operations on file
system metastructure, one must consider that Linux uses write-behind
for this and therefore risks serious file system corruption should the
machine crash.  (Back when Linux crashed a couple of times per day for
me, I had no end of file system corruption which caused me to have to
reinstall.  I assume it does not crash that often now, but this is
still a serious bug.)  This also makes Linux's file systems faster.

2) I have no idea how TCP/IP performance will measure, but last I knew
Linux could not fragment packets, forcing small NFS packet sizes (and
thus *extremely* poor NFS write performance) and making it unusable as
a gateway.

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From: [email-masked] (Edward Walker)
Subject: Re: FidoNet software
Date: 5 Oct 93 23:05:06 GMT

[email-masked] (ben elliston) writes:

> Has anyone seen FidoNet-compatible mail software anywhere for Linux?
> 
> Specifically, I'm looking for a mail processor and a message reader/editor.
 
If you have ALOT of programming experience, you might try to pick up the 
C source code to BinkleyTerm for DOS and OS/2..  I've heard of a port to 
Linux of it, but it was an old, outdated version..  Course, if you do 
that, you'll have to find some code to compile a version6/7 nodelist as 
well..
 
happy hunting..

- Ed

--
[email-masked] (Edward Walker)              
Rivercity Matrix  --  +1 (210) 561-9815/21  --  San Antonio, Texas

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From: [email-masked] (Udo Munk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: How to load a Coherent cpio into Linux?
Date: Tue,  5 Oct 93 08:51:54 +0100

Patrick Draper ([email-masked]) wrote:
[...]
: The trouble is that I can't load it into Linux. There's a difference
: between Coherent's cpio and others because I can backup and restore
: a diskette that I made only with Linux in the Linux cpio format.

Hm, I would say there is a difference between Linux cpio and others,
from the COHERENT manual:
---
cpio is  an archiving  utility that  reads and writes  files in  the format
specified  by the  cpio Archive/Interchange File  Format specified  in IEEE
standard 1003.1-1988.
---
I've used COHERENT's cpio to exchange files with systems like AIX, HP/UX,
Sinix, SCO, Apollo Domain and never had a problem with that.
Tar wasn't compatible accross all this systems.

: I purposefully used cpio to back up my stuff because the manual said
: that it's more portable than tar, however, I've never had trouble with
: tar before.

Cpio is more portable, see above.

: I can't reinstall my backup to Coherent and used a different format 
: because Coherent isn't on my hard drive anymore.

Get PAX from raven or MWCBBS, it includes a cpio which meets the IEEE standard
and port it to Linux. Then you should be able to read your archives back.
--
Udo Munk, Oberstr. 21, 41460 Neuss, Germany
[email-masked]           CIS: 100021,2515
anon uucp: +49 2131 278869 V22/32/42bis 8N1 login: nuucp pwd: nuucp Shere=ANY
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From: [email-masked] (Laurent Chavey)
Subject: using term
Date: 6 Oct 1993 12:33:30 GMT

I have been trying to use term between my linux box at home
and the udel net at school. here is where I am at.
first I make the modem connection with kermit.
then I logon the sun at udel
then I start term on the sun (i got the source compiled there
sourcce from sunsite about a week ago).
then I escape back to my system, try these
        shell out of kermit, start term </dev/modem >/dev/modem &
        then try trsh "nothing appens on screen, but the modem rcv,send blinks"

        if I go back to kermit, I will see a lot of character being displayed.
        meaning I am receiving something.

        also if after shelling again to kermit I do
        echo 00000 > /dev/modem 
        when I come back to kermit, connect, the term on the
        sun is stopped as it should be.

Does anyone have any ideas of what I am doing wrong.
I have posted multiple message, the answers have helped thus far.

the version of linux I am running is 99.p6 (may be to old ??)
the connection is done through a modem pool. baud is 19200.
(maybe I should try 2400, I think i did).

thank you.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Gary D. Duzan)
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 11:17:47 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes:
=>
=>386bsd doesn't have shared libraries, does it? If it does, I don't think
=>they're in common use. It might be more fair to make sure the Linux
=>binary is statically linked as well.
=>
   No, it is fair to compare them in the most common configuration
for each. Same goes for any disk space comparison.

                                      Gary D. Duzan
                         Humble Practitioner of the Computer Arts

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From: [email-masked] (P Copeland)
Subject: /etc/termcap
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 11:45:04 GMT

While telnetting from a sun to a linux box, the termcap is interpreted
as a console terminal. This is all well and fine BUT if any of my
users attempt to run emacs of uemacs, which uses reverse video for
the status bar, the screen gets fixed into inverse colour until (this
is the current quick way) they run 'joe' and exit. Am I correct in
saying that telnet is not sending across the terminal type correctly?

is there a better solution?

Phil
=--=

===============================================================================
  (c) 1992 Philip Copeland - alias 'Bryce'                    (SysAdmin)
  JANET      : [email-masked]

                                  "... I can resist anything but temptation..."
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From: [email-masked] (Gareth Bult)
Subject: >Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bs
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 12:08:05 GMT

On 6 Oct 1993 06:05:38 GMT;                                                 
----Patrick J. Volkerding ([email-masked]) said:               

>386bsd doesn't have shared libraries, does it? If it does, I don't think   
>they're in common use. It might be more fair to make sure the Linux        
>binary is statically linked as well.                                       

But if you're looking for a benchmark of how the system will perform in
REAL life.. surely you should use whatever would be used in REAL life?

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