Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #292
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 04:13:12 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #292, Volume #6            Thu, 7 Oct 93 04:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Sound Blaster Support (Club Olimpico de Matematica)
  Re: using term (Gary Wong)
  Re: >Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Gary Merinstein)
  X-Display problems (Bolski)
  /proc, ptys and su on /dev/ttyS0 (Paul Gauthier)
  Re: Printer daemon ([email-masked])
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd ([email-masked])
  Re: Diamond Stealth Pro VLB !?? (William S. Kaster)
  Re: Help with Xconfig (Robert Moser)
  Re: Help needed on Xconfig!!!Please! (Robert Moser)
  Re: Microsoft Inport Mouse (Scott C. Cottrille)
  what happened to Debian (Cobalt Stargazer)
  Re: TokenRing card support?  -- NO (Donald J. Becker)
  Re: norton-like shell for unix? (Steve Pershing)
  Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Michael A. Irons)
  Re: Xwindows on CrystalScan and ATI GUP (Mong-Chuan Sim)
  Trans-Ameritech BSD386 and Linux (System Operator)

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From: [email-masked] (Club Olimpico de Matematica)
Subject: Sound Blaster Support
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1993 23:41:23 GMT

          I'm planning to install LINUX in my PC, but I want to know:
           Does Linux support SB??

     Any ideas will be apreciated.  Thx.
                                Gerardo. 

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From: [email-masked] (Gary Wong)
Subject: Re: using term
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 23:15:29 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Laurent Chavey) writes:

>I have been trying to use term between my linux box at home
>and the udel net at school. here is where I am at.
>first I make the modem connection with kermit.
>then I logon the sun at udel
>then I start term on the sun (i got the source compiled there
>sourcce from sunsite about a week ago).
>then I escape back to my system, try these
>       shell out of kermit, start term </dev/modem >/dev/modem &

I think this step is your problem... you don't want to shell out of kermit
(if you do, it will probably still be listening to /dev/modem and receive
all the characters which should be going to term), you want to quit it
completely.  If your modem is fussy about hanging up when it loses DTR, you
may want to tell it 'at&d' before you start so that it won't hang up before
you have a chance to start term.

I hope that helps,
Gary.
-- 
Gary Wong, PbA TP CM.  | Disclaimer:  The above opinions do not represent
(Pinball Addict,       | those of my cat, the Prime Minister, the University
 Terrible Programmer   | or even myself.  Instead, this article was generated
 & Chocolate Muncher.) | with:   main(){while(putchar(rand()));}

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From: [email-masked] (Gary Merinstein)
Subject: Re: >Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting
Date: 6 Oct 1993 20:49:10 -0400

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Gareth Bult) writes:

>The latest Yggdrasil CD is available with pl13. I presently costs $25.      

is it possible (and/or reasonable) that the latest cd can't recognize an
ibm mca scsi cd-rom? i run the newest cd (this monday's) & when the boot
disk tries to access the cd, i get a "kernel panic" message. i'm trying to
install it on an ibm model 90 (35mhz 486, mca, ibm mca scsi hd & ibm mca
scsi cdrom). is there any way around this problem?

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From: [email-masked] (Bolski)
Subject: X-Display problems
Date: 7 Oct 93 00:41:16 GMT

I'm hoping this is the right conference to ask this question. I know it deals
with X, but it concerns Linux.

My problem is running x programs in an Xterm window. I think I've narrowed my
problem down to permission settings, but I don't know where to begin. I've
read so many FAQs and HOW-TO's and none seem to answer my question.

If I am root, I can call x programs (such as xv, xman) from the prompt
in my Xterm window. Also, I have these programs setup in a pop-window.
If I'm NOT root, then I can't run these programs in my Xterm, only from
the menu. The error I get is "Can't open display". I've tried 
        setenv DISPLAY darkstar:0.0
but this doesn't work. I won't get an error, but it doesn't help. I've
tried xhost darkstar but that doesn't work either. I just get the error
can't open display.

I'm using the open-look windows manager, if that's any help.

Thanks for any information you could lend,
        Ivan Samuelson

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Gauthier)
Subject: /proc, ptys and su on /dev/ttyS0
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 00:16:25 GMT

Ok, I got the most recent SLS installed (got it from sunsite, only days ago).

Here are the three problems I'm having:

a] /proc won't mount even tho it's in fstab. If I log in as root and do a
   "/bin/mount -av -t nonfs" it mounts fine, but this line appears in /etc/rc
   and does nothing! Why? I've moved it around, put echo's before and after
   it to verify it's being executed. No output generated by it, /proc
   not mounted. Line line in fstab is:

   /proc /proc proc defaults

b] When I'm running X and I open too many xterms the beast locks up tight.
   Am I running out of pty's? There are dozens in /dev, but only the first
   four of them have modification times other than the far past. Ideas?

c] I've added a line to inittab for ttyS0 so I can hang a terminal off of
   it. I put /bin/getty 9600 ttyS0, and I get a prompt, etc, on the
   terminal. I can log in, but it hangs partway through the login
   procedure. Just after displaying "No Mail." it goes into never never
   land. It doesn't get as far as /etc/profile or .bashrc. I can
   control-c to a $ prompt. Experimentation there has shown su will
   also cause a similar lock up which can be control-c'd out of. Ideas?

Thanks for the help in advance,
PG
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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Printer daemon
Date:  6 Oct 1993 19:48:30 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Bolski) writes:
>
>it still doesn't work. If I spool, I get an error, saying my printer is out
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of paper. I do know that on boot-up, Linux is trying to connect because it
^^^^^^^^^^

I had this problem while I had my Linux box and another PC connected to one
printer through one of those switch-boxes (mechanical switch, not a smart one!)

No problems at all with DOS or MS-Windows, but Linux on my PC kept saying 'Out
of paper' until I connected the printer directly.

I'm not quite sure what caused it, but I guess in your case it could be a slight
fault in the printer cable. (Perhaps an out of paper line being shorted or something...)
MS-DOS apps seem to ignore it. I can print a text from MS-Word 5.0 even when my Epson
LX-800's 'Out of paper' light is flashing!

>Thanks for any help,
>       Ivan Samuelson
>

Andrew.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 18:43:25 GMT

[email-masked] (Gary D. Duzan) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes:
>=>
>=>386bsd doesn't have shared libraries, does it? If it does, I don't think
>=>they're in common use. It might be more fair to make sure the Linux
>   No, it is fair to compare them in the most common configuration
>for each. Same goes for any disk space comparison.

I can't find the testresult in my benchmark.:

My benchmachine:  486/33 MHz, Eisa, 16MB DRam
      BSD0.9   :  setup as latest distribution 
                  max. 188 context switches / sek.
                  can't get CPU idle state less then 89% 
                  this machine don't use free menory for buffering
 
Reason for this:
        The machine works as NFS-Server
        has one HD 1GB with 1742B controller, kernel, news, ...all on one HD
        and we have to use NE2000 drivers witch don't use the interrupt
        (they use polling !!!!)
        because no other of our ISA-ethernet-card (WD, SMC, 3COM)
        works on our Eisa-motherboard.
        The most time this machine is loading executables, and data
        because there is no cache, no shared libraries, no ?...

Result: The BSD0.9 is 4 times slower than my private setup with Linux.
        This system might be fast, but we have no advantage, 
        we can only use 12% of CPU performance, and 70% of memory.

Next to do: Replace this BSD and this CPU-Platform. 
Joerg

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From: [email-masked] (William S. Kaster)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth Pro VLB !??
Date: 7 Oct 1993 01:50:07 GMT

Markus Welsch ([email-masked]) wrote:

: i'm using a Diamond Stealth Pro VLB 1MB on my
: system (S3-chip). I've tried many times to
[...]
: the system crashes.

: Is there anybody, who has reached to run X
: with this graphic-card??

I have run X on the non-VLB version of your card, the Diamond Stelth
Pro 1MB.

I've had a few system crashes under X, but I've also had X running
for days with no problems.  The system crashes mostly came while finding
the right values for Xconfig.  The values I'm using now came
straight from the mode database in /usr/lib/X11/etc/.../??modedb??.txt

Regards,

-Bill
--

William S. Kaster        
email: [email-masked]   

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Moser)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Help with Xconfig
Date: 7 Oct 1993 02:12:37 GMT

My suggestion is to get the tamux package installed on your machine.  It
includes a "blank" Xconfig that will help get you started.  All you have 
to do is install this Xconfig, use Ctrl-Alt-[numeric keypad +] to cycle 
through the video modes, and write down the ones that work the best for you.

Unfortunately, you have to count yourself, beginning at one, what the number of
the modes are (since there are no indicators).  Then, remove all lines from 
the Xconfig video database that you don't want.  Finally, use vgaset to
optimize things (to help you center your screen, e.g.).

You can get a tamux setup package somewhere in one of the x-disks for slackware
at ftp.cdrom.com in pub/linux/slackware/x(something or other).

Good luck,

ARAW

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Moser)
Subject: Re: Help needed on Xconfig!!!Please!
Date: 7 Oct 1993 02:18:40 GMT

Just posted a reply along similar lines to your request (look for it).  
In a nutshell, get the tamux setup package.  The "blank" Xconfig and the
excellent documentation will get you up and running in no time.

You can get tamux setup from ftp.cdrom.com in pub/linux/slackware/x(I don't
know which)

ARAW

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From: [email-masked] (Scott C. Cottrille)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Inport Mouse
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 02:51:57 GMT

Scott C. Cottrille ([email-masked]) wrote:

: I'm having trouble getting Linux/XFree86 to recognize
: my Microsoft Inport mouse.  I've got 99pl12.  Here's
: what I've tried so far:

:  Using the original kernel, which detected a MS Busmouse,
:    Logitech mouse, and an ATI inport mouse at the same
:    time (odd!), I created /dev/inportbm with major = 10,
:    minor = 2.  Then, I specified Busmouse "/dev/inportbm"
:    in the Xconfig, and also tried Microsoft "/dev/inportbm".
:    I tried setting baudrate to 1200 and 9600 for both of these
:    configurations.  Didn't work.

:  Then, as per someone's suggestion, I recompiled the kernel
:    and specified that I only wanted to detect the Microsoft
:    Busmouse.  The kernel successfully detected only the
:    Microsoft Busmouse.  I tried the above configurations in
:    my Xconfig file again, and it still didn't work.

: What's a fellow gotta do to get X to work with his Microsoft
: Inport mouse?  

: I also tried making a symbolic link from /dev/mouse to
: /dev/inportbm, because there was some comment on this in a
: man page or doc file I read.  That didn't work (obviously).

: Oh, one other probably relevant piece of information: I've
: got an S3 chipset, and I'm using the XS3 Xserver.  Is it
: still Linux's responsibility to enable my mouse, or the xserver's?

: Any suggestions?  Please mail [email-masked],
: as I don't read here very often (I'll post with a solution
: if one comes through).  Thanks,

: - mouseless

Thanks to Arnd Gehrmann and Wayne Stidolph.  With their mail I pieced together
the following:

 Modify /usr/include/linux/busmouse.h and set the IRQ to 9 (from 5 or 
  whatever yours is set to).  The reason it is not set to 2, which is
  what the hardware IRQ was set to, is because IRQ2 is used by another,
  so IRQ2 gets 'cascaded' to IRQ9.

 Make config from the /linux directory and tell it to look for a MS busmouse.
  Then make the kernel.

 Create a symbolic link, just for clarity, using
  ln -s /dev/bmousems /dev/mouse

 In the Xconfig file, do not specify Microsoft "/dev/mouse".  Use 
  Busmouse "/dev/mouse".  Don't know why a Microsoft mouse does not work
  with the Microsoft setting, but when I used the Microsoft setting, the
  freaked and was acting as if I was holding the button down.

Glad I don't have to go out and get a serial mouse!

-scott

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From: [email-masked] (Cobalt Stargazer)
Subject: what happened to Debian
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 02:06:38 GMT

subject says it all - what is the current status of it?

will we ever see it?

c.

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From: [email-masked] (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: Re: TokenRing card support?  -- NO
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:08:58 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Ziya Karakaya  <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Has any body used IBM TokenRing card with Linux?
>If so I would like to hear about.

No, there is no token ring support in Linux.  To support token ring requires
more than only a writing a device driver, it also requires writing the source
routing routines for token ring.  Given that token ring is expensive, not
fast, and will probably be swept away by 100baseVG in a few months, it doesn't
seem worth it to write a driver.

Now if someone would loan or sell me a prototype 100base-* setup (2 cards and
a hub), I probably would put some serious effort into getting it working...
Hint! hint! [[ OK, I'm begging here... I have no pride.]]  

-- 

Donald Becker                                          [email-masked]
IDA Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715                        301-805-7482

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From: [email-masked] (Steve Pershing)
Subject: Re: norton-like shell for unix?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 20:52:22 PDT

[email-masked] (John Fauerbach) writes:

=> : Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the
=> : "Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS?
=> :  
=> : I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files 
=> : more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-)
=> 
=> Me too.  I looking for something that displays two different directories at
=> the same time a that I could copy files between eachdirectory.

Yes... there is a really good clone of the Norton Commander available
for various *NIX's made in Russia.  It has been around for a few years
and is a commercial product, priced to be equivalent with the Norton
Commander Product.

I tried selling this a couple of years ago and no one seemed interested,
(or no one wanted to pay, I guess).

In any event, if there is still interest, I know I can dig up copies for
people.  Just have to know what platforms (Linux, Xenix, etc) they want
it to run on.

Heck, it might be a good way for Questor to get the big hard drive we
have always needed and wanted (but couldn't afford).    :-)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Michael A. Irons)
Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 18:05:15 GMT

        I have been thinking about just this thing. I would use OB/OI
as it seems fairly easy to use and it would be good to show some
support for the product. 

        Each of the sections could be written and then merged into a
main utility. If it's designed carfully, if should be extendable as
well. As for the compile time stuff. Once the gui is set, it could be
compiled into a *.o files and then linked with the code for
maintaining the files.

        I think it would be good to have it very flexable. For
example, with UUCP automatically figuring out which type of config
files you are using and offering a conversion option to one of the
others. That way the user is offered a list of systems, they pick a
system (or add a new one) and get options to either clear/delete it,
or edit it's 'capabilities'.
-- 

                                Mike Irons

                        [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mong-Chuan Sim)
Subject: Re: Xwindows on CrystalScan and ATI GUP
Date: 7 Oct 1993 06:46:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Bill McKinnon '96) writes:
>Hi all. I have SLS Linux 99.8 installed on my Gateway 4dx2-66.
>Through tinkering with my Xconfig settings for Xwindows, I have
>gotten it to come up and load ok. The problem though, is that
>the display is flickery, and I know the settings aren't exactly
>right. My screen goes back to text fine and all that--does
>anyone out there have the correct Xconfig settings for the 
>Gateway CrystalScan and the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro? Any help
>on this would be GREATLY appreaciated. Thanks.

I have the same problem too.  Please help...
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Subject: Trans-Ameritech BSD386 and Linux
From: [email-masked] (System Operator)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 14:06:17 EDT

Has anyone had experience with this company or product before?  I'm in 
the market for Linux and would appreciate any suggestions.

                [email-masked] (System Operator)
                Byte Mechanix Enterprises +1 404 962 2510

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