Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #294
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:13:23 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #294, Volume #6            Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:13:23 EDT

Contents:
  Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Michael Will)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Vernon Schryver)
  Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Michael Will)
  Re: Diamond Speedstar 24X (Steven Yampolsky)
  Crisp for Linux on sunsite (Robert Broughton)
  Re: /proc, ptys and su on /dev/ttyS0 (Robert Moser)
  Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help (Chris Vetter)
  Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help (Robert Moser)
  Compiling Xli (Luong V Nguyen)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Warner Losh)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Warner Losh)
  sysinstall ? (Jun Yang)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
  Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help (Erlend Osborg Larsen)
  Re: sysinstall ? (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: Why doesnt lpr work ? (Steven A. Reisman)
  Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Sam Gentile)
  Re: using term (Scott C. Cottrille)
  Re: norton-like shell for unix? (John Moyer)

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From: will@linus (Michael Will)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: 7 Oct 1993 15:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Michael A. Irons ([email-masked]) wrote:

:       I have been thinking about just this thing. I would use OB/OI
: as it seems fairly easy to use and it would be good to show some
: support for the product. 
Exactly my intent - besides creating a nice tool and lerning a lot
about ObjectorientedProgramming(tm).

:       Each of the sections could be written and then merged into a
: main utility. If it's designed carfully, if should be extendable as
: well. As for the compile time stuff. Once the gui is set, it could be
: compiled into a *.o files and then linked with the code for
: maintaining the files.

Yes, but there is still one major problem. We have to separate the
functionality from the user-interface, because we cannot use X alone.
To many users do not use X because of lack of memory - these are most
likely to be happy to use such a tool like we want to write.

I think we have to provide a curses-interface as well - how this can
be done we should discuss.

My thinking is like: use virtual-functions (late binding) to have the objects
communicate with the user with the apropriate methods for the selected
user-interface. 

ParcPlace have done this with Motif/Openlook - why
should we not add a curses-layer?

But we have to avoid blowing up our task to unsolvable complexity, this
is what makes me uneasy :)

:       I think it would be good to have it very flexable. For
: example, with UUCP automatically figuring out which type of config
: files you are using and offering a conversion option to one of the
: others. That way the user is offered a list of systems, they pick a
: system (or add a new one) and get options to either clear/delete it,
: or edit it's 'capabilities'.
Yes, this is what I wanted to do with the usermaintanement-stuff which
should use shadow-passwd-files and add the gui-fields if shadow is
detected - but as well work without and not bother about shadow-features.

Maybe we should create a mail-channel for this topic? If enough users
and developers are interested...

Please let me know...

Cheers, Michael Will

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 20:53:09 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
>...
>on Ultrix, it appears to be something like either 100 on some
>machines, or 256 on others (they've removed the [HZ] #define, and
>replaced it with an entry in a cpu configuration table, or so it
>would seem). ...

Could it be that they gone to that irritating POSIX or DKI DLPI function call?

Vernon Schryver    [email-masked]

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From: will@linus (Michael Will)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: 7 Oct 1993 16:19:39 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mhm, now that I read just another load of follow-ups, I think it would be 
good to create a language as someone proposed.

This would describe screens, and actions, acting on curses and X in the
same script...

The advantage is clear: many users can contribute their configuration-
scripts and do not have to bother to much with the userinterface.

Only - this I think I cannot do - it is to big a task. 

If someone can do such a great thing, I think I would retreat to using
the language creating some scripts - if not, I think we should stick
to the OI/uib-stuff.
While xview is nice, I think OI is much more real
ObjectOriented - and it is more easy to provide two userinterfaces
using the same functionalitycode with true objects...

Cheers, Michael Will - away for a week - sorry.

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From: [email-masked] (Steven Yampolsky)
Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar 24X
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 16:30:29 GMT

Steven C. Wolfe ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Hi:

: Does anyone know if the DIAMOND SPEEDSTAR 24X will work with Linux, and if
: so, where a driver might be available?

: I looked on the DIAMOND BBS, and did not notice anything.

: thanks
: SCWolfe
I 've got Speedstar24X too. I had problems at first but mostly monitor-card
related. The card is easily configured and 100% compatible with WD chips.
I believe, 30's. 
        In terms of drivers,well, you need none. All you'll need is change
settings in Xconfig file.
        Forget about the BBS. They don't like UNIX at Western Digital: the 
maker of Speedstar 24X.

        The only probles is that you can't use True color capabilities.
Linux supports true color only on et3000 chips.

Steven from Brookline,MA

P.S. I maybe wrong about the names like et3000, my girlfriend's name, etc.

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Crisp for Linux on sunsite
Date: 7 Oct 93 17:13:18 GMT

Who uploaded the Crisp binary that appears on sunsite? If you're out there,
could you upload the "xcr" binary also?
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    [email-masked]

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Moser)
Subject: Re: /proc, ptys and su on /dev/ttyS0
Date: 7 Oct 1993 17:22:09 GMT

Just wanted to add to Linus' posting to upgrade to pl13.  This is
precisely my experience.  I had numerous problems with pl12 that
caused the machine to go "out to lunch".  My suspicion was a 
memory management leak.  In fact, if I just left the machine idle for
a sufficient length of time, it would sometimes lock.

pl13 is very stable (for me so far) and I've experienced no "hangs". 
Just one thing, when I ran the "bouncing ball" x-demo, it took so many
resources the mouse became unusable.  It was very difficult to exit.
Any ideas?

ARAW

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From: [email-masked] (Chris Vetter)
Subject: Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help
Date: 7 Oct 1993 17:32:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Min Hu) writes:
> Help needed:
> My Linux machine is running very impressive. But I have got a problem with my
> mouse. 
> I have a three button MS compatible serial mouse. When I run x-window (twm),
> the left button works fine, it can highlight text in xterm and textedit well.
> However, when I press right button, it will not paste. At the first, I suspected
> the problem is my mouse. Then I changed another mouse, it is the same. Anybody
> out there can tell me how to solve the problem? Thank you very much.

Try the middle one ...

> MIN 

-- 

Chris

Don't you know, that, if you start Linux on DOS (ROTFL), it deletes all
files with the string 'Microsoft' in it?
                                        - Fritz Ganter -

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Moser)
Subject: Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help
Date: 7 Oct 1993 17:27:54 GMT

Try each of the different mice in the Xconfig file to see if one of
them will function more appropriately for you.  Also, check your mouse
to see if it has a protocol switch on it somewhere (mine has
"MS-2 Key" and "PC-3 Key" settings).  Some combination of the above should
work (it did for me).

ARAW

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From: [email-masked] (Luong V Nguyen)
Subject: Compiling Xli
Date: 7 Oct 1993 18:03:57 GMT

Hi .. I am trying to compile Xli on Linux. But I ran into alot of problems.
If you have compiled xli on linux before would you please share with 
me the tips on how to make it work.
        Thanx alot .
        --- LuoNg 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 20:04:05 GMT

I've noticed about 10% difference between FreeBSD 1.0 Gamma and Linux
0.99p12 in compiling ObjectBuilder.  I haven't tried FreeBSD 1.0
Epsilon yet, but expect that difference to become much smaller (like
on the order of 1 or 2%).

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             [email-masked]       ParcPlace Boulder
I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 23:37:36 GMT

Compiling a certain large (40,000+ lines) C++ program, I've found that
Linux takes 31:22 to compile it, while FreeBSD 1.0 Epsilon takes 31:42
on the same system, same disks, etc.

Granted, this isn't number crunching, but it does show the two systems
tend to be about the same speed for what I tried.  Older versions of
BSD might be slower (I know that the Gamma version took about 2-3
minutes longer).

Warner

-- 
Warner Losh             [email-masked]       ParcPlace Boulder
I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.

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From: [email-masked] (Jun Yang)
Subject: sysinstall ?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:04:00 GMT

I am having a problem using sysinstsll.  I tried to use various
options to install the OI package but Linux seemed to be stuck
with the prompt:

Insert disk oi1 into the floppy drive then hit enter, or q to quit

After my hitting Enter for 3 times, sysinstall quitted to the shell
prompt.  What am I doing wrong?  Email reply preferred.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Jun

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
From: [email-masked] (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
Date: 7 Oct 93 19:12:09 +0100

Chris Metcalf ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Linux (which defines only CLK_TCK, not HZ, in its include files)

Look at /usr/include/sys/<I don't remember>.h, it has both of them defined!
(at least in my Slackware distribution).

: A quick check of MIPS Ultrix 4.3, SunOS 4.1.3, NextStep 2.1 and Vax BSD 4.3
: reveals that all of them use HZ=60 when returning a value via times(),
: by the way; my guess at HZ in BSD was based on Vax BSD.

BTW, our old Convex has the HZ set to 60, too.

Oh, and another thing. Do you remember five months ago, a student's question
here in Spain as to what has one to do when nobody gives him money to buy
a C-90? I've found it, my 486DX2-66 PC with Linux has beaten (running our
application in quantum chemistry) things like that Convex 120, this HP-9000,
all of our VaxStations, some Sparcs (I don't remember the model), and watch
this! even the Cray YMP at CIEMAT in Madrid ! and I bought it for something
like 2000$

     Miguel Alvarez Blanco           "All that is gold does not glitter,
[email-masked]      not all those who wander are lost."
  [email-masked]                   Bilbo Baggins.

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From: [email-masked] (Erlend Osborg Larsen)
Subject: Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:18:40 GMT

Min Hu ([email-masked]) wrote:

:>My Linux machine is running very impressive. But I have got a problem with my
:>mouse. 
:>I have a three button MS compatible serial mouse. When I run x-window (twm),
:>the left button works fine, it can highlight text in xterm and textedit well.
:>However, when I press right button, it will not paste. At the first, I suspected
:>the problem is my mouse. Then I changed another mouse, it is the same. Anybody
:>out there can tell me how to solve the problem? Thank you very much.

What you could try is to paste with <shift> <Insert> .. but that wolden't
help your mouse ....

erlend

--
************************************
**  Erlend Osborg Larsen          **
**  Fjordgata 15, 7010 Trondheim  ** 
**  Norway                        ** 
**  73528816 or 73529665          **
************************************

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: sysinstall ?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 19:10:27 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>
>I am having a problem using sysinstsll.  I tried to use various
>options to install the OI package but Linux seemed to be stuck
>with the prompt:
>
>Insert disk oi1 into the floppy drive then hit enter, or q to quit
>
>After my hitting Enter for 3 times, sysinstall quitted to the shell
>prompt.  What am I doing wrong?  Email reply preferred.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Using SLS!

P.S. Comp.os.linux is obsolete, move questions to comp.os.linux.help

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From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Reisman)
Subject: Re: Why doesnt lpr work ?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:51:20 GMT

Mattias Olsson (mattias@shogun) wrote:
: I cant get lpr to work on my Linux machine !
: I get all kinds of error messages , like ,jobs are quued but cant start deamon,
: or cant create look-file , and so on.
: What is wrong , have I installed everything corectly ?

I had similar problems when I installed the original Slackware release.
I discovered that there were different versions of lpd and friends in a couple
of the directories.  I used `find' to get a list of all files starting with
`lp', and then I used `strings' to pick out the version numbers of each.  I
deleted the old and saved the new.  I had to change the lpd startup in 
/etc/rc.local.  

Once I removed the mismatched software, and started the current
daemon, everything worked smoothly.

Steven Reisman
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Sam Gentile)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 16:56:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Gareth Bult) says:
>
>On 2 Oct 1993 16:53:16 GMT;                                                 
>----Frederick J. Goodrum ([email-masked]) said:                       
>>                                                                           
>>I purchased Yggdrasil CDROM and am trying to install linux in the          
>>cd_dependent mode (my hard drive is to small for the other versions)       
>>I Cannot boot from the hard drive however as the kernel (sic?) cannot find 
>>my CDROM.                                                                  
>                                                                            
>Which version of the CD?
>There are 2 usual causes;
>1)  You do not have your CD on the correct hardware settings.               
>    you need base address 300 and IRQ 5 by default.                         
>2)  Newer drives have nasty firmware that breaks the driver.                
>    If you only have boot floppy rev B, you need rev C.                     
>                                                                            
>>According to the online doc I have to recompile linux setting the ISO-9660   
>>flag. The is great if I can fit the sources on my pc. but according to the 
>>doc that ain't gonna happen. This sounds like a chicken and egg problem.   
>>question: Is there a minimal group of source files I can copy to my hard   
>>drive to perform the recompile?                                            
>>Should I request an updated CDROM (I thought the floppies and the CD       
>>would be in sync)?                                                         
>>Thanks in advance                                                          
>
>The ISO9660 filesystem is compiled into the yggdrasil kernel when you get
>it.. otherwise you could never load the thing could you?
>
>:)
>
>Gareth.                                                                     

This is probably all with the old CD-ROM, which fully said BETA on it. The
release 1 CD is now available and includes a 99.13 kernel and lots of
great stuff. I have one on order. By the way, I find the Yddrasil distribution
the only one that works on my work machine and I find it very easy
to set up.

Sam

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From: [email-masked] (Scott C. Cottrille)
Subject: Re: using term
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 20:23:13 GMT

Laurent Chavey ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I have been trying to use term between my linux box at home
: and the udel net at school. here is where I am at.
: first I make the modem connection with kermit.
: then I logon the sun at udel
: then I start term on the sun (i got the source compiled there
: sourcce from sunsite about a week ago).
: then I escape back to my system, try these
:       shell out of kermit, start term </dev/modem >/dev/modem &
:       then try trsh "nothing appens on screen, but the modem rcv,send blinks"

:       if I go back to kermit, I will see a lot of character being displayed.
:       meaning I am receiving something.

:       also if after shelling again to kermit I do
:       echo 00000 > /dev/modem 
:       when I come back to kermit, connect, the term on the
:       sun is stopped as it should be.

: Does anyone have any ideas of what I am doing wrong.
: I have posted multiple message, the answers have helped thus far.

: the version of linux I am running is 99.p6 (may be to old ??)
: the connection is done through a modem pool. baud is 19200.
: (maybe I should try 2400, I think i did).

: thank you.

Just suspend/stop Kermit (hit ^Z).  Works for me.

load kermit
dial/connect
run term (make sure you specify that your host is the remote term by doing:

  term -r

  Or placing the appropriate entries into your ~/.term/termrc file)

escape to kermit
^Z
term </dev/modem >/dev/modem 2>/dev/null&

etc...

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From: [email-masked] (John Moyer)
Subject: Re: norton-like shell for unix?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:30:28 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (John Fauerbach) writes:
>: Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the
>: "Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS?
>: I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files 
>: more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-)
>Me too.  I looking for something that displays two different directories at
>the same time a that I could copy files between eachdirectory.
>Thanks,
>John Fauerbac

One called gram's commander or gc was posted to one of the source groups
sometime this year.

     Graham    Wheeler,     Aztec     Information     Management,
     [email-masked].

from the README file:

README for Gram's Commander v3.1
=================================

I have been promising this release for quite a while now. Unfortunately
I have been busy, been overseas, been sick, etc, so I haven't been able
to give it all the time it deserves. It works under UNIX SVR4, HP-UX, and
on Crays; other platforms may or may not work.

I have decided to reelase gc3.1 at this point because it is becoming 
difficult for me to respond to problems reported by the beta testers 
without access to the same target systems as they are using. My hope
in releasing gc3.1 now is that other users who may have more programming
experience than some of the gc beta testers will be able to find the
problems for me and send me patches. Also, if I don't do it now, gc3.1
will probably *never* be released, due to time constraints.

Despite the fact that it hasn't been completely ported to all Unix
flavours, if you are a programmer familiar with your architecture you
should not have much difficulty getting the system going. In particular
I have kept the use of Curses routines to a minimum as this is a big
portability problem.

Please read the gc3.doc file for full details about gc3.1. The gc3 manual
entry is very terse and really just refers to the doc file as well.

For those who are familiar with gc, you will be pleased to know that
gc3.1 is a *major* improvement over gc2.x, mostly because it is now
almost completely controlled by a fairly powerful script language. To make
the most of gc3 you will want to familiarise yourself with the script
language and create your own gc3.key file.

I hope someone finds htis helpful.

-- 
John Moyer                    essex.ecn.uoknor.edu!quest1!jrm
Quest Consultants Inc.        att!occrsh!quest1!jrm
P.O. Box 721387               (405) 329-7475                   192.207.125.0
Norman, Ok 73070-8069         Fax: (405) 329-7734

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