Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #295
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 00:13:08 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #295, Volume #6            Fri, 8 Oct 93 00:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Linux fo Mac ?.. ([email-masked])
  Re: TokenRing card support?  -- NO (Mike Cruse)
  Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot (Ernst Niebur)
  driver list? (John Waters)
  Re: Help with Xconfig (Norbert J. Girardi)
  help: linux & wangtek en5099-24 tape (Craig Sanders)
  linux and 80x43 screens (Craig Sanders)
  Using a Speedstar 24x with xwindows (Mathew B Beall)
  Trouble with vgalib demo program (Patrick Draper)
  net-2  portmapper zombies (Max  Buchheit)
  finding dbx (Laurent Chavey)
  motif lib for xfree under linux (Laurent Chavey)
  Re: Trouble with vgalib demo program (Jeff Epler)
  Re: net-2  portmapper zombies (Frank Lofaro)
  SpeedStar 24x again (Mathew B Beall)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Jon Brawn)
  Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (WE Metzenthen)
  Re: Xload & Xmem won't work (Mark Chace)
  Re: Windows NT, Linux and DOS all together? (Mark Chace)
  Re: Novell under Linux (Donald J. Becker)

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Linux fo Mac ?..
Date: 28 Sep 93 11:18:00 GMT

I don't know it's a FAQ but, is there a Macintosh version for Linux?..

thanks in advance

Kadir Koc
[email-masked]
Middle East Technical University
ANKARA-TURKEY

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From: [email-masked] (Mike Cruse)
Subject: Re: TokenRing card support?  -- NO
Date: 7 Oct 1993 14:01:34 -0700

Donald J. Becker ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Ziya Karakaya  <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >Has any body used IBM TokenRing card with Linux?
: >If so I would like to hear about.

: No, there is no token ring support in Linux.  To support token ring requires
: more than only a writing a device driver, it also requires writing the source
: routing routines for token ring.  Given that token ring is expensive, not
: fast, and will probably be swept away by 100baseVG in a few months, it doesn't
: seem worth it to write a driver.

I am also interested in Token Ring support for Linux. It maybe more 
expensive and slow (compared to what, ethernet?) but there is a 
significant installed base. 

Just hoping...

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From: [email-masked] (Ernst Niebur)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot
Date: 7 Oct 1993 22:38:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Frank Chen) writes:
>Same thing happened to me on a Laptop 386SX. 
>....

Hm, I was convinced that I made a stupid beginner's mistake, but maybe
for once it is NOT me. 

My boot disk made by SLS does not work, either. I just installed the
last version of SLS ("0.99.12 #6 from August 10") and my boot floppy
(made at the end of the installation menu) stops right after saying

"Press <Return> to see SVGA modes available, <SPACE> to continue or
wait 30 secs

I waited for a LONG time (several minutes) but nothing happened.

I also tried to make a boot disk by the method described in the
"Installation Guide" book (great book, btw!), but this did not work,
either. For the record, I did the following (being root in /):

rdev zImage /dev/hda2            # ( I have a zImage in / )
mke2fs /dev/fd0 1440
mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /floppy   # I created a directory /floppy previously,
cp /zImage /dev/fd0              # although it does not seem to be used here
unmount /dev/fd0

This stopped with

Uncompressing Linux...

invalid compressed format

 -- System halted

I can boot the system by using the a1.3 disk, then booting in LILO
from /dev/hda2.

Can anybody tell me how I can make a floppy on which I can boot?

Thanks a lot!

--Ernst
-- 
Ernst Niebur                              Phone (818)395 2880
Computation and Neural Systems            Fax   (818)796 8876
Caltech 139-74                            [email-masked]
Pasadena, CA 91125, USA                   [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Waters)
Subject: driver list?
Date: 7 Oct 93 20:29:56 GMT

is there any way i can get a list of drivers    
for video cards, ethernet cards, mice, etc
for linux?????? if you can mail it to me it would be
even better.....     thanx in advance  john

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Norbert J. Girardi)
Subject: Re: Help with Xconfig
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:51:39 GMT

Chris Vetter ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Rachid wants to know:
:  
: > I've been trying to run X11 for a week with no success, my machine
: > is a 486DX50 clone with 8Mb RAM, 210Mb HD, a NCR 77C22E Video card
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^ **
: >  with 1024Kb VRAM, a NEC 4FG monitor, my mouse is a microsoft compatible one
: >  linux up and runing (SLS 1.03). This is the output I have
: >  each time I run startx:

: What CHIP has this NCR beast ? I dunno ...

   ** NCR 77C22E *IS* the chip :-)
:  
: > ------------begining of output
[ ....]
: > 
: > Xconfig: //Xconfig
: > Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200
[....]
: > Cannot open mouse: 
: > Invalid argument
  ---------------------- That's your problem !!!

: a) obviously this NCR video card has no et4000 ;)
:    comment everything OUT in file /usr/X386/lib/X11/Xconfig that belongs to
:    vga256, comment IN what belongs to vga2.
:    Then cd /usr/bin/X11; rm X; ln -s XF86_Mono X

NO NEED TO USE THE X-MONO SERVER. 
Cards with the NCR77C22E are doing fine with the XF86_Color server
( I know because I'm posting this from a box with the a.m. card )

: b) your mouse device is wrong.
:    edit Xconfig with the correct one. I dunno, what YOU have. *I* use a
:    Logitech Pilot, which will be 
:       Microsoft "/dev/ttyS0"

: c) Never mind Roman_M

: > Fatal server error:
: > failed to initialize core devices
: > xinit:  No such file or directory (errno 2):  unexpected signal 13

Either you are missing /dev/mouse or it is a soft link pointing to
nowhere. 
If your mouse is on "COM1" make it /dev/ttyS0 in Xconfig.

: > ------------end of output 
: > 
: >  I don't understand this clocks number          \/
: >  clocks:  25.18  28.32  40.10  65.50  45.10  50.10   0.70  75.50
: >                                                      ^^^^
: >  it seems to be incorrect?

: Yep, timing error, never mind ...
: They will never be used.

: >  My screen is always unreadble after startx, I don't know where is font file 
: >  Roman_M, I've also verified that the mouse is well pluged to the slot.

: This seems to be a bug.
: You can work around by pressing ALT-F<another console>.
: E.g. ALT-F2 if you started X on screen 1 (the bootup screen)

I happens to me too. If I leave X the screen is scrambled.

: >  rachid

: Chris

- Norbert

-- 
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   QQQQQQ  If you know how to REPAIR YOUR SQUARE :-) drop me a line

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From: [email-masked] (Craig Sanders)
Subject: help: linux & wangtek en5099-24 tape
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1993 08:45:40 +1000

i've installed linux into a 100mb partition on my hard disk for testing,
experimenting & configuring - when i'm happy with the way it works then it gets
the whole disk to itself...

details:

wangtek en5099-24 60MB tape drive
Wangtek PC-36 controller card (IRQ:5, DMA:1, PORT:300)
SLS 1.03 (series a,b,c disks only)

i can't get tar or mt to access the tape drive.  i've recompiled the kernel to
make sure that the qic-02 support is installed, and got rid of some of the
stuff i didn't need (like SCSI drivers, -m486 flag etc).  then i moved the old
/zImage to /old.zImage and copied the newly compiled zImage to /

i don't even see any message which could be the qic02 driver being loaded at
boot time.

i really don't know what to do next.

should i rm the /dev/rmt* and /dev/tape files, and then run /dev/MAKEDEV tapes
to re-mknod all the dev files?  I've already tried just mknod-ing a /dev/qtape
device but that didn't make any difference.

maybe this sort of stuff is in the Kernel Hackers Guide or the Systems
Administrator Guide from the Linux Doc Proj.  I've only got the install guide,
and it doesn't tell enough...it should be describing the directory structure in
more detail,  and the control/config files in particular rather than give yet
another mini tutorial on how to use sh

clues, anyone?

Craig

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From: [email-masked] (Craig Sanders)
Subject: linux and 80x43 screens
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1993 09:45:44 +1000

is there any way i can configure linux to use 80x43 rather than 80x50 line
VCs?

i find 43 line mode quite nice (a good compromise between amount of info on 
the screen, and how readable that info is), but 50 line mode is a bit of a pain
for the eyes.

(i guess the answer will be something like 'hack the kernel sources and add
another mode'....any tips on how to go about this would be appreciated :-)

note.  i am not using X.   at the moment, just the SLS 1.03 a, b, and c
series.

Craig

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From: [email-masked] (Mathew B Beall)
Subject: Using a Speedstar 24x with xwindows
Date: 7 Oct 1993 15:23:51 -0700

I am sure this has been asked over and over again, but here goes again:

I just got the latest version of Linux with Xwindows (from tsx-11.mit.edu)
and I installed it all, and when I type xinit, I can kinda see a window
on the screen, but it is about 5 times overlapped, and there is a bunch
of flickering.  I got a program called 'freq' from the same ftp site, 
however, I am not sure how to use, or what arguments it should take.

If someone has got a Speedstar 24x working with Xwindows (hopefully
in 1024x768), then please enlighten me via email....

Thank you in advance,

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Patrick Draper)
Subject: Trouble with vgalib demo program
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 21:40:21 GMT

Hi,

I've got a problem with the demo program that shows off the vgalib
graphics routines.

I can't use it unless I'm root. If I'm logged on as a user, then it
gives me an error saying it can't use the device or something.

I don't want to write graphics programs when I'm logged on as root, so
what should I do?

Thanks,

 /\/\ |Patrick Draper                        Mr. Order, he runs at a|
/ /_.\|Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc.      good pace, but old  |
\  /./|e-mail: [email-masked]                      Mother chaos is   |
 \/\/ |Lansing, Michigan                          winning the race. |

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From: buchheit@gabor (Max  Buchheit)
Subject: net-2  portmapper zombies
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 00:05:06 GMT

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From: [email-masked] (Laurent Chavey)
Subject: finding dbx
Date: 7 Oct 1993 23:52:31 GMT

is there an equivalent to dbx available for linux.
if so where.
thank you

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From: [email-masked] (Laurent Chavey)
Subject: motif lib for xfree under linux
Date: 7 Oct 1993 23:54:02 GMT

is there some motif toolkit available for linux.
if so where.
thank you.

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: Trouble with vgalib demo program
Date: 8 Oct 1993 01:10:35 GMT

[email-masked] (Patrick Draper) writes:

>Hi,

>I've got a problem with the demo program that shows off the vgalib
>graphics routines.

>I can't use it unless I'm root. If I'm logged on as a user, then it
>gives me an error saying it can't use the device or something.

>I don't want to write graphics programs when I'm logged on as root, so
>what should I do?

When I asked this question several months ago, I got the answer that
one really must be root to do svgalib/vgalib program development.
This is a really big limitation as far as I'm concerned.  If you
wanted to, you could merely do an su to root and then change the owner
to root and mode to suid, thus spending less time in root.  But this
is still not too satisfactory...

Surely there is a better way.. Someone just has to make it up.

>Thanks,

Some help this is.

--
Jeff Epler [email-masked] (Preferred) or [email-masked]
____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales" -- Never seen on a protest sign
\bi/ |umop apisdn| First year comp sci major.  CRPG addict. 
 \/  1.5<kinsey<2.5 IRC Synger  Running Linux 0.99.13. DOS is evil

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: net-2  portmapper zombies
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 01:12:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> buchheit@gabor (Max  Buchheit) writes:
>
(nothing)

        But I think I can still help. I've heard that to get rid of zombies 
with portmap, recompiling portmap helps. I think I heard that you also have 
to make sure it either uses BSD signal, or properly uses the POSIX one. I 
think the zombies accumulate because of a SIGCHLD signal handler getting 
turned off after the first invocation.

P.S. Can anyone tell me why in g*d's name portmapper has to fork?

P.P.S. Comp.os.linux is obsolete, moving this to comp.os.linux.help

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From: [email-masked] (Mathew B Beall)
Subject: SpeedStar 24x again
Date: 7 Oct 1993 18:50:59 -0700

Ok, I have the manual for the speedstar, so I can find out exactly
what horizonatal and vertical timings I need (in KHz), but then I look
at the Xconfig file, and it wants to know a clock, and then for the
vertical and horiz. timings, it has four numbers, and I have no
idea what they mean..

e.g.

"1024x768i"  44    1024 1040 1216 1264    768 777 785 817

                      horizontal               vertical

now, in the manual, this is what I get for that res.

35.5 khz for Horizontal Sync and 43 Hz for Vertical Sync,

I dont see how the two tables really match?

Any one help me get this working?

[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Jon Brawn)
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 00:57:54 GMT

[email-masked] (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris Metcalf) writes:
>>Please note that "HZ" on Linux is 100, not 60, unlike most other common
>>Unix systems (SunOS, Ultrix, *BSD, etc.).  Since 5217.4 / 8695.7 is
>>*exactly* 60/100, it's clear that the time taken under Linux was exactly
>>the same as the time taken under 386BSD.  Note also that the "Dhampstone"
>>results were identical.

>hello?

>on *BSD, HZ is 100, and has been for a long time.  (This includes {386,
>Free,Net}BSD).

>on SunOS, it's 60, for "compatibility reasons" or something like that.

>on Ultrix, it appears to be something like either 100 on some
>machines, or 256 on others (they've removed the #define, and
>replaced it with an entry in a cpu configuration table, or so it
>would seem).

>but for {386,Free,Net}BSD, you're definitely wrong, hz is 100,
>and always has been.

If it means anything, SCO Unix is HZ=100 too.

>chris

>--
>chris g. demetriou                                   [email-masked]

>                    smarter than your average clam.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (WE Metzenthen)
Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 00:39:31 GMT

Chris Metcalf ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, Chris Demetriou wrote:
: >but for {386,Free,Net}BSD, you're definitely wrong, hz is 100,
: 
: Unfortunately, dhry typically doesn't find the system-specific value of
: HZ, and it will default to 60 in this case.  This would have happened under
: Linux (which defines only CLK_TCK, not HZ, in its include files); perhaps 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: *BSD defines HZ, or perhaps dhry had been built with -DHZ=100 under *BSD.
: This is still the only way to explain the original discrepancy in timings.
: 
: A quick check of MIPS Ultrix 4.3, SunOS 4.1.3, NextStep 2.1 and Vax BSD 4.3
: reveals that all of them use HZ=60 when returning a value via times(),
: by the way; my guess at HZ in BSD was based on Vax BSD.
: -- 
:                       Chris Metcalf, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
:                       [email-masked]   //   +1 (617) 253-7766

It does, at least on my system, via <sys/param.h>:

    #include <sys/param.h>
    main() { printf("HZ is %d\n", HZ); }

just gave
    HZ is 100
on my machine.

--
Bill Metzenthen
Mathematics Department
Monash University
Clayton, Victoria, Australia
email: [email-masked]
       [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Chace)
Subject: Re: Xload & Xmem won't work
Date: 07 Oct 93 03:16:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jesper Honig Spring) writes:
>When trying to run Xmem the Xmem window is displayed for
>a few seconds. Then it is closed again and Linux says
>something like "can't find /proc/meminfo"
>
>The directory /proc is indeed empty.

The problem is that you need to have the PROC FileSystem installed and
initialized.  Try typing the following from the command prompt:

mount -t proc /proc /proc

If this works, then your problem is solved.  It can be fixed perminantly
by adding the appropriate line to /etc/fstab.

Mark
----
The above does not reflect the opinions of my employer.

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Chace)
Subject: Re: Windows NT, Linux and DOS all together?
Date: 07 Oct 93 03:28:51 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>Anyone know if you can or cannot have MSDOS/DRDOS, Windows NT and Linux all
>on one PC?

I know that it is possible, as I have a machine here that can run MSDos,
Windows NT and Linux with no problem.

What I have not figured out how to do is to have all 3 opoerating 
systems be avilable from a single boot menu. The NT boot system can
boot any number of NT installations, and at most one DOS partition.
I supose that the DOS partition could have a method of booting either
DOS or Linux; however I just have a floppy boot disk for Linux when
I want to run it.  I have not spent time to see if NT could be booted
from a mechanism other than its own boot loader.

Mark
----
The above does not constitue opinions or facts relating to my employer.

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From: [email-masked] (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: Re: Novell under Linux
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:49:44 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mattias Olsson <mattias@shogun> wrote:
>I woder if it is possible to make my Linux machine work as an Novell server
>and an Unix server at the same time.
>Is it possible and IF, how do i do it , what programs do I need ?
>If it is not possible ,could I make my Linux machine access an Novell server ?

No, it's not possible.  Novell treats the details of their protocols as a
trade secret.

-- 

Donald Becker                                          [email-masked]
IDA Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715                        301-805-7482

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