Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #296
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 08:13:06 EDT

Linux-Activists Digest #296, Volume #6            Fri, 8 Oct 93 08:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: FidoNet software (Edward Walker)
  My mouse is not working in Xwindows ([email-masked])
  Re: passwd doesn't work anymore (Dennis Robinson)
  Re: Busmice ([email-masked])
  Terminal for X11 (Mathew B Beall)
  NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks (Chris Maeda)
  Re: Setting active partition on second hard drive (Tom van Nes)
  Re: Help: SIOCADDRT error running /etc/route in NET-2 (Nigel Head)
  Re: Terminal for X11 (Benjamin Howard Lewis)
  Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Markus Storm)
  Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Olaf Frommann)
  Re: norton-like shell for unix? (Dragan Cvetkovic)
  Re: SLS install problem (Hr. Dr. Schiedermeier*NIS*)
  Re: sysinstall ? (Hr. Dr. Schiedermeier*NIS*)
  Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks (Mike Stump)
  difference between SLS1.02, 1.03, and Slackware distribution (Jonathan Bayer)
  Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Brandon S. Allbery)

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From: [email-masked] (Edward Walker)
Subject: Re: FidoNet software
Date: 7 Oct 93 22:42:58 GMT

[email-masked] (Alex Brodsky) writes:

> >If you have ALOT of programming experience, you might try to pick up the 
> >C source code to BinkleyTerm for DOS and OS/2..  I've heard of a port to 
> >Linux of it, but it was an old, outdated version..  Course, if you do 
> >that, you'll have to find some code to compile a version6/7 nodelist as 
> >well..
> > 
> 
> Given another month I should have a V7 nodelist compiler finished,  
> Compiable with any ansi C compiler with POSIX support libraries.  
> I will realses the source code when I feel it is relatively bug free.

I would very much like to see this when you get it finished..  If you're
in FidoNet, maybe an address to freq it, else perhaps somewhere to FTP 
it from..  Also, since you're working with it, you know somewhere to get 
the port of BinkleyTerm?  Been looking for it, but since the closest 
thing I have to FTP over here is FTPmail, it gets a little hard to hunt 
everywhere..

- Ed

--
[email-masked] (Edward Walker)              
Rivercity Matrix  --  +1 (210) 561-9815/21  --  San Antonio, Texas

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Subject: My mouse is not working in Xwindows
From: [email-masked]
Date: 7 Oct 93 23:26:28 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When I got into the Xwindows, my mouse didn't work. I tried many different ways to fix that. But I can't get it fixed. My mouse is a PS/2 Logitech mouse. I noticed that the linux find the present of my mouse but just can find a right device for it! Please help me out.

Gabriel

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From: [email-masked] (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Re: passwd doesn't work anymore
Date: 8 Oct 1993 05:28:33 GMT

[email-masked] (Thomas J Bilan) writes:

>When I'm the superuser I type:  
>passwd username
>to change a passwd and I get a dump of the passwd file with No such file or
>directory tacked onto the end of it.

>I must have changed something in the last week or so because it was working
>fine before.

>Thanks,
>Tom

My passwd, won't change my passwd.  Root doesn't have a passwd, and I've tried
to reset it several times to no avail.  It allows root to login without a
passwd.  What should I do?
`
>--
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>$ Department of Death by Engineering   ^   Surgeon General's Warning:        $
>$ Michigan State University            ^   Graduate School may cause brain   $
>$ [email-masked]                    ^   damage and sporadic loss of hair  $

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Busmice
Date:  7 Oct 1993 20:55:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Wayne Stidolph) writes:
>[email-masked] (Jerome Lacroix) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, [email-masked] (Tony Cifelli) says:
>>
>>
>>From what I encountered with my Logitech mouse on a Microsoft Inport, the
>>Linux kernel expects the bus mouse to be configured for IRQ 5 by default. 
>>You seem to have two choices.  Switch your mouse IRQ to 5, or as in my
>>situation, modify the file busmouse.h in the /linux/kernel/char_drv
>>directory to reflect your current IRQ and recompile the kernel.  It worked
>>for me.  Good Luck!
>
>Note that IRQ is the cascade interrupt; when the bus mouse is set to tug
>on the physical IRQ2, the software sees IRQ9. When you change
>busmouse.h, don't change to IRQ2 (system will crash) change to IRQ9.
>But leave the mouse on IRQ2. "It worked for me."
>
>  Wayne

Worked for me too, but didn't crash at IRQ2 - X just could not use the mouse.
Linux kernel (0.99.9) said it found a Logitech Busmouse no matter what IRQ it was at
(I removed the par./ser. I/O card and tried the mouse on IRQs 2-5 with kernel set to
default 5 - Linux always "found" it, but X only worked on IRQ 5 = kernel setting).

One slight problem for me though :-(

Linux (and MS-DOS Logitech driver) will work with the Mouse set to IRQ 2 (the Linux
kernel being configed for IRQ 9), but MS-Windows just freaks out completely!
Ocasionally I do need MS-Windows <yuck!>, so I have had to put the mouse back on
IRQ 5, which means no IRQ for /dev/lp2, which means dead slow printing compared to
/dev/lp1...

Wrong newsgroup, I know  -  But if anyone has any ideas about my MS-Win prob please mail!

Andrew.

P.S. Had the same problem when I configured my Adaptec 1542C for IRQ 14 (I was asking for
trouble! :-)

Linux and DOS had no problems, but MS-Windows 3.1 absolutely nuked my DOS partition's FAT!
I guess any Linux kernel that included IDE support would also barf...(?)
Have to look for those free IRQs elsewhere... How about COM4 on IRQ 14 instead of 12? :-)

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From: [email-masked] (Mathew B Beall)
Subject: Terminal for X11
Date: 8 Oct 1993 00:27:17 -0700

I just got linux with xwindows up and running, and I would like to
get a terminal so I can call other systems.  I have a 14.4 modem, so It
would need to suppor that, and I would reallly like one with Zmodem....

thanx!

[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Chris Maeda)
Subject: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 08:55:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Jeff Stern) writes:
>
>   if someone has done a more careful port and measurement than i, and
>   also if disk speed or tcp/ip access can be measured, either.
>

I've done some network throughput and latency benchmarks of NetBSD 0.8.
I don't have a box running linux, so I don't know how fast it is.

Measurements were done using 2 33 mhz 486dx boxes with 16 MB RAM and
3c503 ethernet cards. The machines were run in single user mode on a
private ethernet.  The systems measured are NetBSD 0.8, Mach 2.5, a
vanilla Mach 3.0 system using the TCP/IP code in the UX unix server, a
vanilla Mach 3.0 system using the BSDSS unix server, and a Mach 3.0
system using the library-based TCP/IP implementation.*

TCP throughput was measured using ttcp (anon ftp from sgi.com in
sgi/src/ttcp) which is a 16MB one-way memory-to-memory transfer.

system                  codebase        kbytes/s

NetBSD 0.8              BNR2            320             
Mach 2.5                4.3BSD          457
Mach 3.0(UX server)     4.3BSD          415
Mach 3.0(BSDSS server)  BNR2            382
Mach 3.0(library)       BNR2            469

UDP latency was measured using a ping-pong test: a client bounced
packets off a server 10000 times and divided the total elapsed time by
10000.  This set of benchmarks is available through anon ftp from
mach.cs.cmu.edu in src/net-latency-tools.tar.Z.

UDP round trip latency (in milliseconds)

system                  message size (bytes)
                        1       100     512     1024    1472
=============================================================
NetBSD 0.8              2.63    3.49    6.04     9.54   12.50
Mach 2.5                1.83    2.44    5.19     8.51   11.41
Mach 3.0(UX)            3.96    4.67    7.86    11.65   15.00
Mach 3.0(BSDSS)         4.64    5.37    8.95    13.23   16.84
Mach 3.0(library)       2.12    2.68    5.41     8.74   11.66

So NetBSD's networking performance is pretty dismal compared to Mach.
I don't know why but I imagine it has something to do with device
drivers and low level code that does context switching and stuff
because the actual network protocol code is very similar in all cases.
To be fair, no one has ever tried to tune up NetBSD.

[More details on these benchmarks and the library-based TCP/IP
implementation are in doc/published/user.level.protocols.ps on
mach.cs.cmu.edu.]

Cheers,
Chris

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From: [email-masked] (Tom van Nes)
Subject: Re: Setting active partition on second hard drive
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 08:49:03 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Peter Berger <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (Lars Wirzenius) wrote:
>
> > It is possible that the following might also work.  I have neither
> > experience nor documentation (at the moment):
>
> > c) you install LILO as the master boot record on your first
> > hard drive and tell that to load Linux from the second hard drive
>
>works!
>
>bye,
>    Peter
>

works, but don't forget to remove the line 'table = /dev/hda'

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 08:51:51 CET
From: Nigel Head <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Help: SIOCADDRT error running /etc/route in NET-2

I know it seems mad but - what worked for me was to use symbolic addresses
(with matching /etc/host entries) instead of the dot format !!!!

No idea why ....... (perhaps a Linux guru somewhere) ...

Nigel.

Oh yes - 0.99.13[a]

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From: [email-masked] (Benjamin Howard Lewis)
Subject: Re: Terminal for X11
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:32:12 GMT

[email-masked] (Mathew B Beall) writes:

[stuff about wanting a comm program for X deleted]

I have had great success with a program called Seyon, which can be found in all
the ususal places (tsx-11.mit.edu or sunsite.unc.edu for instance).  It supports
login scripts, a dialing directory, and Auto-Zmodem downloads.  It has also
handled my 14.4k modem very well.

>[email-masked]

Good Luck!

--
"I'd love to go out with you, but I'm attending the opening of my
garage door."
======
Benjamin Lewis          [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Markus Storm)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: 8 Oct 1993 09:42:14 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, will@linus (Michael Will) writes:

|> Yes, but there is still one major problem. We have to separate the
|> functionality from the user-interface, because we cannot use X alone.
|> To many users do not use X because of lack of memory - these are most
|> likely to be happy to use such a tool like we want to write.
|> I think we have to provide a curses-interface as well - how this can
|> be done we should discuss.

Yes, that would also ease porting it (I already think of porting it to our SUNs,
- as most of the functionality probably isn't Linux-specific -
though not a single line of code has been written ;-) ).
And usually noone owns the "commercial" OI/UIB.

|> My thinking is like: use virtual-functions (late binding) to have the objects
|> communicate with the user with the apropriate methods for the selected
|> user-interface. 

The best way to do this.
Though UIB is quite simple too use, doing subclassing needs further
documentation than supplied on-line (at least I had some problems).
So "C" programmers can supply functions code without working into OI.

|> Maybe we should create a mail-channel for this topic? If enough users
|> and developers are interested...

Yes. There's too much functionality needed than a single programmer can supply.

|> Cheers, Michael Will

More Cheers, Markus Storm

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From: [email-masked] (Olaf Frommann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: 8 Oct 93 09:18:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, will@linus (Michael Will) writes:
| Mhm, now that I read just another load of follow-ups, I think it would be 
| good to create a language as someone proposed.
| 
| This would describe screens, and actions, acting on curses and X in the
| same script...
| 

        Do you know wxWindows? It does just that, is a C++ wrapper for XVIEW,
        MOTIF and MS-WINDOWS *AND* a CURSES version is promised. One source
        for several environments.

| The advantage is clear: many users can contribute their configuration-
| scripts and do not have to bother to much with the userinterface.
| 

        Absolutely true.
| 
| Cheers, Michael Will - away for a week - sorry.

  CIAO, Olaf.

-- 

  Olaf Frommann,                          PHONE: +49 40 7718-2942
  TU Hamburg-Harburg,                     FAX  : +49 40 7718-2573
  Arbeitsbereich Stroemungsmechanik I     e-mail: [email-masked]   

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From: [email-masked] (Dragan Cvetkovic)
Subject: Re: norton-like shell for unix?
Date: 8 Oct 1993 10:50:15 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (John Fauerbach) writes:
|> : Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the
|> : "Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS?
|> :  
|> : I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files 
|> : more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-)
|> :  
|> 
|> Me too.  I looking for something that displays two different directories at
|> the same time a that I could copy files between eachdirectory.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> John Fauerbac
        How about emacs with two windows, both running dired but on different
directoriers?
                        Dragan

-- 
     Dragan Cvetkovic,                  | To be or not to be 
     [email-masked] (or)          | is true.    
     [email-masked]     |      G. Boole

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From: [email-masked] (Hr. Dr. Schiedermeier*NIS*)
Subject: Re: SLS install problem
Date: 8 Oct 1993 08:13:36 GMT

Bos R ([email-masked]) wrote:

: I tried to install the linux filesystem by typing the
: following line:

:   mke2fs -c /dev/hda2 90272

: this produced the following output:

:   mke2fs 0.3,  93/04/22 for EXT2 FS 0.3a
:   Block Log Size =0
:   Fragment Log Size =0
:   22656 inodes
:   90272 blocks
:   4513 blocks reserved for root
:   First data block=1 (1)
:   Block size=1024
:   12 blocks groups
:   8192 blocks per group
:   8192 fragments per group
:   1888 inodes per group
:   group = 11
:   mke2fs: Unable to find a block for the inode table

: The last two lines appeared some time after the other 
: lines.

: After these lines linux returned to the prompt.

: What has gone wrong?
For reasons I don't know you have to give a multiple of 1k = 1024
as size argument.

--Schiedi

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From: [email-masked] (Hr. Dr. Schiedermeier*NIS*)
Subject: Re: sysinstall ?
Date: 8 Oct 1993 08:18:58 GMT

Jun Yang ([email-masked]) wrote:

: I am having a problem using sysinstsll.  I tried to use various
: options to install the OI package but Linux seemed to be stuck
: with the prompt:

: Insert disk oi1 into the floppy drive then hit enter, or q to quit

: After my hitting Enter for 3 times, sysinstall quitted to the shell
: prompt.  What am I doing wrong?  Email reply preferred.

: Thanks a lot for your help.

: Jun

What options of sysinstall did you try?
I used "sysinstall -instdev /dev/fd0 -disk" and the OI disks
installed fine.

--Schiedi

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:30:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris Maeda) writes:
>
>In article <[email-masked]>
>TCP throughput was measured using ttcp (anon ftp from sgi.com in
>sgi/src/ttcp) which is a 16MB one-way memory-to-memory transfer.
>
>system                 codebase        kbytes/s
>
>NetBSD 0.8             BNR2            320             
>Mach 2.5               4.3BSD          457
>Mach 3.0(UX server)    4.3BSD          415
>Mach 3.0(BSDSS server)         BNR2            382
>Mach 3.0(library)      BNR2            469

386BSD 0.1.111 <-> NetBSD 0.9           985

It would seem you are doing something wrong. (Maybe?)  Between a
386BSD 0.1 system and a NetBSD 0.9 system, we have observed
985Kbytes/s.  Contact [email-masked] for details.

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan Bayer)
Subject: difference between SLS1.02, 1.03, and Slackware distribution
Date: 7 Oct 93 13:06:23 GMT

Trans-Ameritech presents LINUX SLS/Slackware AND 386BSD and MULTYMEDIA CD-ROM.

Hi,

I just got the Trans-Ameritech CD-ROM which contains copies of several different
versions of Linux.  It has the SLS 1.02, SLS 1.03, and the Slackware 
distributions.  I understand that the 1.03 is new and probably an alpha
release, but what is the Slackware distribution?  

I am experienced at Unix, but new to Linux.

Thanks.

JB
-- 
Jonathan Bayer          Intelligent Software Products, Inc.
(908) 248-1853          37 Winthrop Rd. 
[email-masked]         Edison, NJ   08817

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 02:06:58 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>While xview is nice, I think OI is much more real
>ObjectOriented - and it is more easy to provide two userinterfaces
>using the same functionalitycode with true objects...

XView's UIC library is an object-oriented C++ interface to XView, if you
prefer that to the C interface.

Always remember that XView has one major advantage over OI:  it's freely
available, so it can be used on more systems than just Linux for Intel.  (Of
course, whether the *BSD folks want anything to do with this is another issue
entirely...)  Moreover, since the source is available, you have something to
work from other than a reference manual when developing a character-mode
version that uses the same API and equivalent semantics.

My own vote would probably be for Tcl/Tk, with a curses-based Tk replacement
for character mode terminals.  I think John Ousterhout commented on the
possibility of such a Tk alternative being in a future Tk release --- but we
would probably have to roll our own rather than waiting.  Still, Tk is freely
available source, so it's a lot easier than cloning OI's functionality would
be.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         [email-masked]          [email-masked]
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  [email-masked]

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