Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #365
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 08:14:09 EST

Linux-Activists Digest #365, Volume #6           Wed, 10 Nov 93 08:14:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: linux on AMD 486 DX 40   [Q] (Billy L. Williams Jr.)
  Zephyrs and Kerberos (Jason Thomas Mondanaro)
  Re: VMS vs. Unix (Was: Linux on a vax station ?) (Tor Arntsen)
  Motif (umberto barberis)
  booting Linux.99p2 loads then hangs on 386sx (Michael J. Wilson)
  Linux and i486 (Georges Tomazi)
  SoundBlaster AT-Bus CD-ROM interface and Linux (Georges Tomazi)
  Re: Linux on 80286???? (Byron A Jeff)
  Linux on SoftPC (Andy Prediletto)
  sources for (sun like) spline wanted (Gero Guenther)
  Re: Linux performance?? (InYup Park)
  Help with 1.03 (a1.5) (Michael C. Welsh)
  Linux under Boot Manager (  CompuWorm)
  0.99pl13 Kernel Compilation (Joseph W. Vigneau)
  FAQ ? (Chakravarthy Kolli)
  Re: Yggrasil Andrew question (Gary Keim)
  Nethack + Linux, Please Help! (Stuart Langley)
  Linux spitting out an illegal IP number? (Chetan D Patil)
  Linux questions (need FAQ - where?) (Tony Nugent)
  680x0 Linux progress? (Andy Prediletto)
  Using Linux as server for remote X development. (Bibhas Bhattacharya)

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From: [email-masked] (Billy L. Williams Jr.)
Subject: Re: linux on AMD 486 DX 40   [Q]
Date: 9 Nov 1993 12:45:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Bogaert_Bruno <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Has somebody run linux on a  AMD-486 DX 40 chip ?
>
>I plam to buy such a chip, and I would be glad to know if there are 
>some problems, or if all is ok.
>
>Thanks
>
>Bruno Bogaert
>Universit\'e de Lille (France)

I run Linux on my AMD 386DX-40 an it works wonderfully.  Very quick and
no problems whatsoever.

Billy L. Williams, Jr.
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  Billy L. Williams, Jr.     e-mail:  [email-masked]
  University of South Carolina Master of International Business Candidate
  Try Linux--it will be the last OS you ever install............Go Cocks!
  ..................finger me for pgp key and more info..................

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From: [email-masked] (Jason Thomas Mondanaro)
Subject: Zephyrs and Kerberos
Date: 9 Nov 1993 21:17:20 GMT

HEy I'm trying to set up my Linux box to use kerberos
and Zephyrs as part of MIT's network. Unfortunately
I haven't found much documentation. Has anyone out there
gotten Zephyrs and Kerberos working with MIT's athena
if so I'd like to here how.

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Tor Arntsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: VMS vs. Unix (Was: Linux on a vax station ?)
Date: 9 Nov 1993 13:20:47 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Flame War Warning: The thread seems to turn in to a usual VMS vs. UNIX "what's best"
war.  There is already a big one going on in other groups (check out vms and osf and
dec and..), that one has gone on for weeks.  Please not another one here!  In
other words, please ignore it.. 

No followups to this one either please :-)

Tor
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From: [email-masked] (umberto barberis)
Subject: Motif
Date: 9 Nov 1993 13:55:05 +0100

Hello,

I have heard that there is a Motif library version for X under linux.

If anyone can give me information about this and how and where I can get
the library ...

                      Thanks

                      Barberis Umberto

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From: [email-masked] (Michael J. Wilson)
Subject: booting Linux.99p2 loads then hangs on 386sx
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Michael J. Wilson)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:12:48 GMT

I did a warmboot.com for the Linux .99P2 floppy disk. It started to load
then hung at this twice repeated line: SCSI host 3 timed out - aborting
command.  Some other error lines in order of appearance but not
neccessarily sequential where:  SCSI3: unexpected interrupt
SCSI0: Seagate ST-01/ST-02
detected SCSI disk.sd0 at SCS3, id 0 lan0
SCSI:detected 1 SCS1 disk 0 tapes 0 CD-ROM drives total

This floppy successfully booted and loaded the whole Linux.  So, what's
the problem on my computer?  Does SCSI mean Scuzzy drive?  Does Linux have
a problem with that?  Anyone got a patch or fix?  Here or email would be
appreciated.

mike

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From: [email-masked] (Georges Tomazi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,aus.computers.linux.help
Subject: Linux and i486
Date: 27 Oct 1993 11:05:50 +1000

        Hello,

        What's the best architecture (performance/reliability) for Linux
between i486DX-50 and i486DX2-66. Let me know your experience please.

        I heard there is some problems on very fast PC's and they can 
be fixed just by switching off the "turbo" mode. Any hints ?

        Thanks !

                                Georges

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 Sydney * Australia  /           [email-masked]    / God created
   +61 2 264 6892   /           [email-masked]  /     Unix...

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From: [email-masked] (Georges Tomazi)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: SoundBlaster AT-Bus CD-ROM interface and Linux
Date: 27 Oct 1993 11:11:12 +1000

        Hello,

        The FAQ is not very clear about this topic, I'd like to know if
it is possible to use a CD-ROM under Linux using the AT-Bus interface
included on the SounBlaster cards (Pro/16ASP) or if it's compulsory to
get a SCSI CD-ROM and adapter ?

        Thanks !

                                Georges

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 Sydney * Australia  /           [email-masked]    / God created
   +61 2 264 6892   /           [email-masked]  /     Unix...

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux on 80286????
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 17:03:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
John C Sager <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] writes:
>
>>      Next Question, I have a 80286 pc, And i want to run linux.  I have read
>> the docs on it.  My question is : What if my owners manual that accompanied my
>> pc says I can run Unix, does this mean I can run Linux as well?
>
>Read the FAQ. 286s don't have the memory management stuff that Linux
>requires, whatever your user guide said about Unix.

This is correct. Of course there are Unix clones for the 286 (Coherent and SCO
come to mind). But by the time you've bought the pieces to make it close
to a Linux systems you'll have spent several hundred bucks. Best bet is
to upgrade your motherboard probably. You can get a 386SX40 for $99, a 386DX40
for around $140, and a 486DLC40 in the $225 range. Remember to add about $140
for 4 megs of DRAM (minimum needed to use Linux Effectively). So for less
than $300 you can have the hardware for Linux as opposed for the software
for the 286.

I have a dream of having cheapie Linux boxes all around my house in a network,
so low end Linux compatible hardware is my specialty.

Can anyone quote a price for SCO or Coherent with TCPIP+X?

BAJ
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Andy Prediletto)
Subject: Linux on SoftPC
Date: 9 Nov 1993 04:28:49 GMT

I have a question, would it be possible to load Linux on SoftPC (the IBM 
emulator for the Macintosh)? How much extended memory would be required 
etc.. It all should work fine, it's just that the SoftPC app takes up 5 
megs, leaving very little for the faux CPU to use.

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From: [email-masked] (Gero Guenther)
Subject: sources for (sun like) spline wanted
Date: 09 Nov 1993 16:01:44 GMT

Hi there,
does anyone can mail me the sources for a (sun like) spline?
Tanxs al lot.

                MR SPACEENGINEER

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From: [email-masked] (InYup Park)
Subject: Re: Linux performance??
Date: 9 Nov 93 15:26:24 GMT

[email-masked] (John E. Krokes) writes:
>Ryan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>I have read all the necessary faqs and stuff, but the real question is how
>>fast is Linux?  

 >Linux runs significantly faster than DOS because it's a 32-bit OS that
 >doesn't have the constraints that DOS does. 

 Has anyone installed linux on a gateway 2000 machine(486-33) ? 
 How fast is it?  I heard it was pretty slow over the net.

 >>And does Linux have any applications that compare to say Ami Pro (word proc)
 >>or Excel (spreadsheets)?  I assume that programming is the strong point in
 >>Linux.  Thanks.

 >However, there is not much in the way of high-caliber software. Linux
 >is supported by XFree-86, so you can run any X-Windows software. IMHO,
 >there are NO decent word-processors for Linux. This is (and has been)
 >hotly debated by advocates of emacs and various flavors of TeX.

 Correct me if I am wrong...
 I thought you could run any unix application under linux ( or so
 a friend tells me ).  If so, I have a couple of suggestions.
 For word processing, there's IslandWrite  -  although it has its
 little quirks at times.
 And then there is WingZ for spreadsheets.  And I heard Improv was
 also a good application to use, but I haven't had any first-hand
 experience.

 >I would say Linux's strongest point is what it is: a FREE 32-bit multi-user
 >multi-tasking OS WITH SOURCE CODE.

        InYup Park                      BE 95
        [email-masked]      Rm 314, Chestnut Hall
        [email-masked]         387-5632

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From: [email-masked] (Michael C. Welsh)
Subject: Help with 1.03 (a1.5)
Date: 9 Nov 1993 08:04:11 -0800

Hello,

I've installed the new version of SLS 1.03 a few times now using
3 1/2" disks, but I tried to make a set of 5 1/4" and I couldn't
make disk a1 work...

I use the line:
dd if=a1.5 of=/dev/fdoh1200 bs=16k

It says
76+0 records out
75+0 records in

Then, when I boot with it, all that comes up is the 'L' in LILO ..??

Is my image corrupt, or what ??  BTW, I've been sure to use fdformat
on my box, and all the other disks worked fine...

Help,
Mike Welsh
[email-masked]

P.S. e-mail please, too much traffic to read this on a daily basis...:-)

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From: [email-masked] (  CompuWorm)
Subject: Linux under Boot Manager
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:19:36 GMT

Hello Linux lovers,
        I would like to ask that if Linux can be installed under OS2 2.1 Boot
Manager? If can, what should I pay attention to? Any advice are appreciated.
Pls answer by emails. 
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From: [email-masked] (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: 0.99pl13 Kernel Compilation
Date: 9 Nov 1993 17:58:23 GMT

Ok. I ftp'd 0.99pl13 from tsx, read the READMEs, verified that I have gcc 2.4.5
(or whatever they wanted), and tryping to 'make dep' I get:

touch tools/version.h
for i in init/*.c;do echo -n "init/";gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M $i;done > .depend~
for i in tools/*.c;do echo -n "tools/";gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M $i;done >> .depend~
for i in kernel mm fs net ipc ibcs lib; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend
for i in chr_drv blk_drv FPU-emu; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend
for i in sound; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend
In file included from loop.c:27:
blk.h:193: #error "unknown blk device"
In file included from sbpcd.c:175:
blk.h:193: #error "unknown blk device"
make[2]: *** [dep] Error 1
make[1]: *** [dep] Error 1
make: *** [depend] Error 1

The standard question applies: What do I do now?  I configured it properly
(I think)...

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[email-masked]           --         Joseph W. Vigneau
Worcester Polytechnic Institute -- Computer Science

Today's random number is 927806236.

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From: [email-masked] (Chakravarthy Kolli)
Subject: FAQ ?
Date: 9 Nov 1993 16:26:20 GMT

Where can I get a FAQ on Linux?.

chak kolli

[email-masked]

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From: Gary Keim <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Yggrasil Andrew question
Date: Tue,  9 Nov 1993 16:13:39 -0500

Excerpts from misc: 9-Nov-93 Yggrasil Andrew question Hugh
[email-masked] (215) 

> I'm using the Fall distribution and have what's probably a simple 
> Andrew-related question (two actually). How do I define a user to the 
> system that I can send mail to? 

I was just trying to use messages from the LGX disc and I was unable to
get it to recognize any userid's.  This is not the normal behavior of
messages.  I believe that the bug may have been fixed but not in time
for the pressing of the LGX distribution.  Michael may be able to
validate this. 

Excerpts from misc: 9-Nov-93 Yggrasil Andrew question Hugh
[email-masked] (215) 

> Also, how do I configure a printer to 
> be used? 

Assuming that you have the printer setup such that lpr works, you can
add the following line to $(HOME)/.preferences, to get previewing to
work via ghostscript.  The PrintCommand stage uses lpr, so if you have
your PRINTER environment variable set, it should work: 

PrinterType: ps 
PreviewCommand: grops | ghostview - 
FormatCommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | gpic | gtbl | geqn | gtroff | 
PrintCommand: grops | lpr -h 

These are fair;y general preferences, so if you want them to apply to
everyone using your system, add them to /usr/andrew/lib/global.prf. 

-Gary Keim 
Andrew Consortium 

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Crossposted-To: rec.games.hack
From: [email-masked] (Stuart Langley)
Subject: Nethack + Linux, Please Help!
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 22:43:01 GMT

Hi All,

I am attempting to get nethack 3.10 up and running on my
linux system. I have the standard SLS release, with
packages a,b,c and d. Its running on a 386/40 with 4M
ram and 15M swap space.

I have downloaded version 3.10 from nic.funet.fi which
has supposedly already been converted over for use
straight from the box for linux. I unfortunately have
very little knowledge of c programming.

The problem occurs right near the end of te compile,
when it gets to the machine specific stuff in
src/Makefile. I get the following error message--

Error: Definition of symbol _ospeed (multiply defined)

I know that it has something to do with the LIB
variable, but changing them does not help.

If anybody knows what this means and can help me out,
please do as I am desperate.

Thanks in advance,

Stuart

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Stuart Langley      ** All opinions are my own! **
Wollongong, Australia.
Email: [email-masked]

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Stuart Langley      ** All opinions are my own! **
Wollongong, Australia.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
From: [email-masked] (Chetan D Patil)
Subject: Linux spitting out an illegal IP number?
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:42:37 GMT

Hi,
   I have Linux (0.99 pl 11) installed. It is connected to the Internet
   via our Campus subnet. I have been using it for a couple of months 
   without any problem.
   So today our Sys admin comes and pulls off the ethernet connection
   from the back of the machine saying some monitor routines he was
   running traced an invalid IP number being spit out from this machine.
   I have been and was running xterms over the network with the display
   set to my machine. And the ifconfig command also shows the machine
   using the IP which was assigned to it.
   Could it be some program is spitting out the illegal IP ? I am not
   running any weird programs other than xgopher, xarchie, xftp, telnet
   and ftp.
   I am not too familiar with the Network stuff and am clueless as to
   what could be happening.
   Any help will be greatly appreciated.
   Chetan.
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 CHETAN D. PATIL                                | [email-masked]
 UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON,ARLINGTON.    | [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Tony Nugent)
Subject: Linux questions (need FAQ - where?)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 23:37:53 GMT

Hi all!

I'm seriously considering installing Linux here, and I'm
wondering if anyone could tell me a few things.

First, my hardware:
    - 386DX33 with a 387
    - 8Mb RAM
    - Trident 8900C video card
    - 42Mb and 212Mb hard drives
    - internal USR 14400 modem (on com3/irq5/0E38)

1.  Is there an FAQ available for ftp?  Where?

    The rest of these questions are likely to be to be answered
    by the FAQ, but I'll ask them anyway...

2.  Exactly how much hard drive real estate does a full install
    (WITH Xwindows) take?

3.  What software does it come with (word processors, etc)?

4.  What limitations does it have with running DOS applications?

5.  Will I be able to use Borland C++ in a DOS box?

6.  Will I be able to use a boot program so that I can easily run
    "pure" DOS?  (ie, have DOS on my 40Mb HD, and Linux on the
    second 212Mb).

7.  What is the latest version of Linux?  Any serious problems with it?

8.  Will it compile "normal" unix C/C++ programs without any
    problems, and will C/C++ (and even scripts) developed under
    it compile OK on a mainframe (SUN, version 5 I think)?

9.  Will the comms program(s) that come with it (I hope!!) be
    able to properly handle my "non-standard" internal modem?
    Is there a version of Zmodem available for it?

The reason for all this is because I have to do some serious
programming work, for both DOS and UNIX; I particularly need to
learn about programming with Xwindows resources, and what better
way to do this than to have it here at home?

I want to put linux on my 2nd 212 HD (currently partitioned
80/40/40/40Mb), and leave dos on my 40Mb HD.  However, I doubt
that this will be enough, so I will likely need to consider
leaving another dos partition on the 2nd HD.  Hopefully I will be
able to afford another larger HD to replace the 40Mb in a few
months).

Thanks for any help.

Cheers
Tony

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From: [email-masked] (Andy Prediletto)
Subject: 680x0 Linux progress?
Date: 10 Nov 1993 02:47:19 GMT

I am very new to the world of Linux (I don't know a thing about it.)  It 
sounds cool, in that UNIX is a superior OS to anyting else I can think 
of.  I'm sick of System 7 for my mac.  I heard that Linux has run on a 
68030, but not an 040.  Unfortunately is was an Amiga instead of a Mac, 
so it won't help me anyways.  Iwas just wondering, what are the 
prospects of Linux running on a Mac.  What about PPC development 
(although it will be pointless then, as I believe a drop to the original 
kernal running System 7 under the PPC's will be possible [keep dreaming 
Andy].  Anyway, just a few ?'s I have.

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From: [email-masked] (Bibhas Bhattacharya)
Subject: Using Linux as server for remote X development.
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:58:48 GMT

Hi,
I hope the title makes sense. We have our X development resources in a 486
running Interactive UNIX (386ix). We are looking forward to using Linux
platforms as display ends for such development work. We plan to use our
existing ethernet to do the networking. Any suggestions or comments while I
do the hardware survey for Linux? Basically we want a stable service from
Linux as the server.

Thanks,
Bibhas.
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Bibhas Bhattacharya        |Memorial University of Newfoundland
[email-masked]    |St. John's, Canada. A1B 3X5

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