Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #369
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 20:13:29 EST

Linux-Activists Digest #369, Volume #6           Thu, 11 Nov 93 20:13:29 EST

Contents:
  HELP!! NETWORK Problems with Slackware distribution (Giuseppe Martoni)
  Re: Linux on a vax station ? (Matthias Rabe)
  SCSI woes again (Stewart Allen)
  Fixkbd (SAINTJOANIS Emmanuel)
  Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!! (SAINTJOANIS Emmanuel)
  Re: Linux performance?? (Steve DuChene)
  Re: DIP: Can't SEND spaces (Kevin Cummings)
  Re: help with xconsole (Kevin Cummings)
  Where to find sources for compressing programs? (Dimitrov T Mitev)
  XFree86 / 0.99pl13 / SVGA (Joseph W. Vigneau)
  Re: Linux on a vax station ? (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
  needed: my hard drive back! ([email-masked])
  uugetty [Q] (Richard Lindner)
  Re: Linux and i486 (Matthew Hannigan)
  Re: Linux performance??
  Re: Linux under Boot Manager (Stefan Merkl)
  Re: linux on AMD 486 DX 40 [Q] (Byron A Jeff)

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From: [email-masked] (Giuseppe Martoni)
Subject: HELP!! NETWORK Problems with Slackware distribution
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 17:49:05 GMT

Hi !

We have a PC 486-50 with linux Slackware distribution
so that we have a 3c503 ethernet card. 

Our network is the 137.204.72.0  the card configuration is that

ifconfig eth0 137.204.72.49
ifconfig broadcast 137.204.72.255
ifconfig netmask 255.255.255.0

when we try to connect to another machine the error is: 
The network is Unreachable write return = -1

Thanks in advance .
Beppe

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From: [email-masked] (Matthias Rabe)
Subject: Re: Linux on a vax station ?
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 19:34:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Matthias Rabe <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In article <[email-masked]>,
>>Frank Lofaro <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>   I'd suggest either getting Ultrix or retiring the machines.
>>>                              ^^^^^^
>>>Arrrghhh! Ultrix! I think I'm going to be ill.....
>>
>>I don't think its a bad choise when the only other is VMS :-).
>
>Actually, DEC would probably want you to use their new Open VMS....now,
>*there's* an oxymoron for you ;-)
OpenVMS is for Alphas, not for VAXen.

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[email-masked]                          Matthias Rabe
Universit"at Bielefeld                            Privat: Avenwedder Str. 494
U5-133                                                    D 33335 G"utersloh
Tel.: (0521) 106-3871                                     Tel.: (05209) 6673

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From: [email-masked] (Stewart Allen)
Subject: SCSI woes again
Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:16:15 -0500

 This was posted earlier, but our mail connection died shortly afterwards, so
I not sure it went out... And I didn't get any responses.

 I am attempting to install Linux on my 486-66 Unisys that has an Adaptec SCSI
controller built onto the motherboard. Unfortunately, the boot disk does not
recognize this controller. I would like to get hold of code, if possible, to
recompile the scsi drivers to recognize my controller. But it seems a bit of a
catch-22 that I must have Linux installed in order to do this. Perhaps I am
wrong, but I had not been able to find appropriate code. Also, I wouldn't have
the first clue about how to create a bootable disk.
 Secondly, I cannot reach "sunsite" to send e-mail! Wrong backbone, apparently
we're restricted.

 Stewart Allen
 Open Environment Corporation
 [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (SAINTJOANIS Emmanuel)
Subject: Fixkbd
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 20:04:41 GMT

Fixkbd doesn't work on my 99pl9
Normal ?
or not normal ?

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From: [email-masked] (SAINTJOANIS Emmanuel)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 20:06:47 GMT

KraZi KarMa ([email-masked]) wrote:

: what are the files Linux uses when it root logs in (ie .cshrc)
: what are the names 

the /etc/profile surelly and some others certainly.

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From: [email-masked] (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Re: Linux performance??
Date: 11 Nov 1993 02:07:10 GMT

        There has been some posting reciently about a vendor being inter-
        rested in doing a port of a well known spreadsheet package to linux
        and was requesting a responce to guage the marketability of this.
        If you have an interest in this you should respond to the survey.
        The only problem is that I am not sure which of the linux newsgroups
        I seen this survey in. Maybe some kind sole could repost this or
        point out the location of the original.
-- 
Steve DuChene           [email-masked]  or [email-masked]
Computer Science        Youngstown State University

A pre-determined amount of chaos is a natural occurance.

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: DIP: Can't SEND spaces
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 21:35:41 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (John S. Roberts Jr.) writes:
> I can not do the following:
> 
> DIP> send set port internet slip enabled
> 
> This is the command to start slip on our server.  DIP responds
> with:
> usage: send text
> 
> The problem is that it cannot send a space.  I don't know what to do.

Oops, I thoughyt I had the answer.  I don't.  Please ignore this.

-- 
Kevin J. Cummings                       ComputerVision Services
[email-masked]        [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: help with xconsole
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 21:58:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Laurent Chavey) writes:
> I am having problem with xconsole. When starting it as root
> every thing is ok, but as a regular user, I keep on getting
> COULDN't OPEN CONSOLE.
> any body has an idea.

I just looked at my XFree86-1.3 installation from SLS 1.03.  xterm is suid root.
xconsole is not.  Should it be?

-- 
Kevin J. Cummings                       ComputerVision Services
[email-masked]        [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Dimitrov T Mitev)
Subject: Where to find sources for compressing programs?
Date: 11 Nov 1993 02:17:28 GMT

Hi,

A friend of mine who does not have access to Usenet is looking for sources
in C for compressing and archiving programs, something like arj or zip.
He would like to use them to write a compressing program in Unix.

Any suggestions?

Please reply directly to me since I do not read this group.

Thanks,

Todor

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: XFree86 / 0.99pl13 / SVGA
Date: 11 Nov 1993 03:21:52 GMT

Yet more XFree86 2.0 fun!

So I fianlly compiled the pl13 kernel, and hopefully would be able to
run the SVGA server. No dice.

The Mono server works great, and would destroy this DEDCstation 3100 I'm
writing this on now, but I feel the need for color!

I have a Gateway2000 486DX33v, a Rocket (Western Digital) card, 8 megs RAM,
8 more swap partition, plenty of disk space, etc...

When I startx, (after I link the correct server, and reconfig appropriately),
I get thin vertical lines on my screen, then they get closer together, and
then the screen turns green (This may be from  my .twmrc, as I use the same
one I use on a DECsattion, where all my stuff is green (by choice!)), and
sits there.  When I move my mouse, the screen sometimes changes to a brighter
green. I think this is from my active border color in .twmrc, because I can
type ^D to exit my unseeable login xterm window, and I can't when the screen
is not that color...

Anyone have suggestions?

-- 
[email-masked]           --         Joseph W. Vigneau
Worcester Polytechnic Institute -- Computer Science

Today's random number is 1042976075.

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From: [email-masked] (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
Subject: Re: Linux on a vax station ?
Date: 11 Nov 1993 03:47:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Matthias Rabe <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In article <[email-masked]>,
>>Matthias Rabe <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>In article <[email-masked]>,
>>>Frank Lofaro <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>   I'd suggest either getting Ultrix or retiring the machines.
>>>>                              ^^^^^^
>>>>Arrrghhh! Ultrix! I think I'm going to be ill.....
>>>
>>>I don't think its a bad choise when the only other is VMS :-).
>>
>>Actually, DEC would probably want you to use their new Open VMS....now,
>>*there's* an oxymoron for you ;-)
>OpenVMS is for Alphas, not for VAXen.

I believe that this was the machine being discussed..

>
>-- 
>[email-masked]                          Matthias Rabe
>Universit"at Bielefeld                            Privat: Avenwedder Str. 494
>U5-133                                                    D 33335 G"utersloh
>Tel.: (0521) 106-3871                                     Tel.: (05209) 6673

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|  Tom Wilson                      |  "I can't complain, but sometimes  |
|  [email-masked]       |   I still do."                     |
|                                  |                -Joe Walsh          |

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: needed: my hard drive back!
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:17:42 GMT

Hi all...
I tried out Linux, i.e. installed it etc. but now I want to get my hard drive 
back and I don't know how to reclaim it - I set up Linux on my second
HDD, and my first is a stacked (w. stacker 3.1) 251 MB HDD
How do I get it back???
HELP!!
Jeff Oliver
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Richard Lindner)
Subject: uugetty [Q]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:48:21 +1100

i trust this isn't a FAQ, but i can't seem to find an answer to this ...

my inittab contains the line:

        c9:56:respawn:/etc/uugetty 38400 ttyS1

when init reads inittab and runs the commands contained there, it invokes
_2_ copies if uugetty - or more to the point, it looks as tho' the first
uugetty spawns another version of itself. why whould this be, and how do
i correct it?

thanks.

--
Richard Lindner  (ACUG Convenor)        Australian Coherent User's Group
[email-masked]                PO Box 1555, Wodonga, Vic. 3689, Oz
Data: 060 208773   Fax: 060 562105      Voice: 060 562072 (bh) 060 208813 (ah)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,aus.computers.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Matthew Hannigan)
Subject: Re: Linux and i486
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:41:19 GMT

[email-masked] (Georges Tomazi) writes:
>       What's the best architecture (performance/reliability) for Linux
>between i486DX-50 and i486DX2-66. Let me know your experience please.

One comment is that 50 MHz is too fast for VLB, if you care about 
such things.  Anyway it seems as though the DX2-66 is the better
bet.  Here is an old item off the bsdi-users mailing list.

Enjoy.

> Message-Id: <[email-masked]>
> X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: bizarre - i had no idea gcc was inlining and localizing code that well
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 23:37:18 -0800
> From: Paul A Vixie <[email-masked]>
> X-Mts: smtp
> Resent-From: [email-masked]
> X-Mailing-List: <[email-masked]> archive/latest/141
> X-Loop: [email-masked]
> Precedence: list
> Resent-Sender: [email-masked]
>  
>  
>  
> Gray Watson was kind enough to forward some actual facts to me,
> in response to my thumbnail theoretical loose cannonshot...
>  
> ------- Forwarded Message
>  
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 11:18:52 PST
> From: [email-masked] (Paul Rubin)
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: 486 benchmarks
>  
> Here are some benchmark postings that appeared on comp.bencharks
> and other places over the past year or so:
>  
>  
>                 DX/33   DX2/50  DX/50   DX2/66
>                                    
> SPEC1.2b
>  
> SPECmark89      14.5    19.2    21.9    25.6
> SPECint89       19.0    25.4    28.5    34.0
> SPECfp89        12.2    15.9    18.3    21.2
>  
> times (seconds) [*]
> 001.gcc         78.00   65.30   51.90   48.50
> 008.espresso    135.90  96.30   90.70   71.90
> 013.spice2g6    1737.80 1417.60 1151.30 1059.30
> 015.doduc       230.20  161.90  153.20  120.70
> 020.nasa7       1433.40 1177.00 952.20  882.60
> 022.li          234.80  173.30  156.00  128.30
> 023.eqntott     70.70   50.70   47.10   38.20
> 030.matrix300   235.30  180.40  155.70  134.20
> 042.fppp        311.20  231.00  206.80  173.40
> 047.tomcatv     241.60  181.10  160.60  135.80
>  
> Also:
>  
>       UNIX performance of Intel processors as given in Intel's literature
>  
>  
>    Processor       SPECmark SPECint SPECfp Whetstone Dhrystone Linpack   Ref Rm
>                                            double p.     2.1   dp MFLOPS
>  
> 1) Intel 386/387-33   4.3    6.4     3.3     3290     15888      N/A      1  *+
> 2) Intel 386/387-33   4.1    6.0     N/A     3200     18900      0.4      2  #
> 3) RapidCAD-33        6.6    7.3     6.1     5300     18275      N/A      1  *+
> 4) 486DX-25           8.7   13.3     6.6     5640     32000      1.0      2
> 5) 486DX-33          11.1   17.5     8.2     7200     43000      1.5      3
> 6) 486DX-33          12.1   18.3     9.2      N/A       N/A      N/A      4
> 7) 486DX-33          14.5   19.0    12.2    12300     43500      1.6      5  &
> 8) 486DX-50          18.2   27.9    13.6    10710     64400      2.5      3
> 9) 486DX2-50         19.2   25.4    15.9    18500     63966      2.3      5  &
> 10)486DX-50          21.9   28.5    18.3    18500     65400      2.4      5  &
> 11)486DX2-66         25.6   34.0    21.2    24700     85470      3.1      5  &
>  
>  
> Remarks:
>  
> * Whetstone/Dhrystone are 32-bit DOS results
> + SPEC ratios recomputed from SPEC timings (computed wrong in report)
> & note huge increase in SPEC floating point performance over previous results
>   due to new experimental FORTRAN compiler
> # machine with AMD 386-40/Cyrix 83D87-40/128 kB cache is estimated by me at:
>   7.7 SPECint, 5.0 SPECfp, 6.1 SPECmark,
>   5600 double prec. Whetstones, 23000 Dhrystones,
>   0.6 Linpack double prec. MFlops
>   These estimates based on my own measurements and data from:
>   FasMath 83D87 Benchmark Report, Cyrix 1990
>   World's Fastest 386 40 MHz Am386(tm)DX Microprocessor Performance Summary,
>   AMD 1991
>  
>  
> References:
>  
> 1) Intel RapidCAD(tm) Engineering CoProcessor Performance Brief. 1992
> 2) i486(tm) Microprocessor Performance Report. 1990.
>    Order No. 240734-001
> 3) 50MHz Intel486(tm) DX Microprocessor Performance Brief. 1991.
>    Order No. 241120-001
> 4) i486(tm) Microprocessor Business Performance Brief. 1990.
>    Order No. 281352-002
> 5) Intel486(tm) DX2 Microprocessor Performance Brief. 1992
>    Order No. 241254-001
>  
>  
> Configurations:
>  
> 1) COMPAQ SystemPro 386/33 MHz, 8 MB memory, AT&T UNIX System V/386 Release 4.0
>    Version 2.0
> 2) 64 kB write back cache,
>    AT&T UNIX System V Release 3.2CC, MetaWare High C R2.2c,
>    SVS FORTRAN V2.8
> 3) COMPAQ SystemPro 386/33 MHz, 8 MB memory, AT&T UNIX System V/386 Release 4.0
>    Version 2.0
> 4) 128 kB write-back cache, 12 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V Release 3.2CC, MetaWare High C R2.2c,
>    SVS FORTRAN V2.8
> 5) No 2nd level cache, 16 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V/386 R3.2, MetaWare High C R2.3p
>    SVS FORTRAN V2.8
> 6) ALR PowerCache 33/4e, 128 kB cache, 16 MB RAM
>    SCO UNIX System V R3.2.2, MetaWare High C R2.2c/R2.3k,
>    SVS FORTRAN V 2.8
> 7) Intel Modular Platform, 256 kB write-back cache, 32 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V R4.0.4, Metaware High C R2.4b,
>    Intel Scheduling FORTRAN 77 Compiler V0.2
> 8) 256 kB write-back cache (82495DX/82490DX), 16 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V/386 R3.2, MetaWare High C R2.3p
>    SVS FORTRAN V2.8
> 9) Intel Modular Platform, 256 kB write-back cache, 32 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V R4.0.4, Metaware High C R2.4b,
>    Intel Scheduling FORTRAN 77 Compiler V0.2
> 10)Intel Modular Platform, 256 kB write-back cache, 32 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V R4.0.4, Metaware High C R2.4b,
>    Intel Scheduling FORTRAN 77 Compiler V0.2
> 11)Intel Modular Platform, 256 kB write-back cache, 32 MB RAM,
>    AT&T UNIX System V R4.0.4, Metaware High C R2.4b,
>    Intel Scheduling FORTRAN 77 Compiler V0.2
>  
> And:
>  
> From: [email-masked] (Michael Slater)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
> Subject: Re: 486-DX2
> Date: 8 Mar 92 05:45:15 GMT
> Reply-To: [email-masked] (Michael Slater)
> Organization: Microprocessor Report
> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4
>  
> In article <[email-masked]> (comp.sys.intel), 
> [email-masked] (Michael Vaclav Stembera) writes:
> > Does anybody out there know if the 486-DX2 66/33MHz will be
> > faster than the plain 486-DX 50MHz?  I might be buing a
> > new system soon and would like to know.
> > 
> Here's some performance data (from Intel):
>  
>                486DX-33    486DX2-50   486DX-50   486DX2-66
>  
> Norton SI V5.0    72.1       106.1       108.1     144.2
> Dhrystone 2.1     43.5        64.0        65.4      85.5
> SPECint89         19.0        25.4        28.5      34.0
> SPECfp89          12.2        15.9        18.3      21.2
> Linpack DP MFLOPS  1.6         2.3         2.4       3.1
>  
> So, the DX2-66 is considerably faster than the DX-50 on these benchmarks.
> It might not be on applications with poor cache behavior. These figures
> assume a 256K write-back cache for all systems.
>  
> Michael Slater, Microprocessor Report              [email-masked]
> P.O. Box 2438, Sebastopol CA 95473  707/823-4004  fax 707/823-0504
>  
> ------- End of Forwarded Message
>  
> 
> 
> 

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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: Linux performance??
Date: 11 Nov 1993 12:18:36 GMT

: I would say Linux's strongest point is what it is: a FREE 32-bit multi-user
: multi-tasking OS WITH SOURCE CODE.
:  _____________________________________________________________________________
: (        John E. Krokes -- "Mag" -- First Accolade to The One True Dave       )
:  )       [email-masked]         Most useful UNIX command:   sleep 240 &  (

We have tested here if one Linux node could serve some e-mail, news + gopher 
users. We did test with 10 users using pine. The PC is 386 20 MHz + 8M ram
+ 100 M disk. The memory is too small for 10 users. 

It did work quite well! The load was not real I think it was hevier
than real 10 user load. The "load average" (top) was at 6 at some moments but 
the Linux PC did respond better than I did expect.

Seppo Kallio
U of Jyvaskyla
Finland

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From: [email-masked] (Stefan Merkl)
Subject: Re: Linux under Boot Manager
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 14:24:19 GMT

Hello

I just installed the OS/2-Bootmanager and added the Linux-Root-Partition to the
Boot-Menu. Then I ran LILO which I've told to boot from the Root-Partition.
That's an easy way to boot Linux and OS/2. 

Stefan

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: linux on AMD 486 DX 40 [Q]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 14:39:17 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Neill Means <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (Billy L. Williams Jr.) writes:
>>>Has somebody run linux on a  AMD-486 DX 40 chip ?
>>>
>>>I plam to buy such a chip, and I would be glad to know if there are 
>>>some problems, or if all is ok.
>>>
>>>Bruno Bogaert
>>>Universit\'e de Lille (France)
>
>>I run Linux on my AMD 386DX-40 an it works wonderfully.  Very quick and
>>no problems whatsoever.
>
>I run linux with no hitchs on my AMD 386/40 with AMI Bios

Hey folks, The original poster was asking about the new 486 part, not 386.
I've read one report of a person upgrading from a 386-20 to a 486DX-40 and
having problems, but it hasn't necessarily been pinned down to the MB.
All other reports I've read indicate that the AMD 486DX40 runs fine with
Linux. In fact I've seen postings in the ibm hardware newsgroups about
cranking it up to 50 Mhz with no heat sink with no problem.

BAJ (a proud AMD 386-40 owner dreaming of an upgrade)
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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