Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #106
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 20:13:44 EDT

Linux-Admin Digest #106, Volume #2               Sun, 25 Sep 94 20:13:44 EDT

Contents:
  Re: BBS-like file downloading? How? (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: going back to DOS -- (Lau)
  Re: Any HOWTO using and administering postgres in Linux (Kai Petzke)
  Re: Error when recompiling kernel (Spencer PriceNash)
  Re: Help with UUCP/Smail (William Todd Horch)
  Re: DOOM DOOM DOOM DUMB DUMB DUMB! (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: SLIP/PPP configuration ([email-masked])
  Re: message display in ftp (Joe Nardone)
  Re: /dev/audio: No such file or directory (Richard Keightley)
  Re: Repartition linux disk without lose of data (John de Graaff)
  Re: lp polling driver = no irq? (Kevin Cummings)
  Re: Printers on the parallel port (Kevin Cummings)
  Re: SLIP/CSLIP & E-mail (Kevin Cummings)
  Re: HELP -*- MANPATH does't work -*- why not (Mike Castle)
  lockup after VFS mount - help! (PMWhitney)
  Re: Linux won't keep correct time (Lee J. Silverman)

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: BBS-like file downloading? How?
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 19:07:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Serge Solski u <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>       There's been talk before on another thread (which has now mutated 
>into some other topic) about getting some sort of BBS-like 
>file-downloading system working under Linux for those of us running a BBS.
>
>       Several of you had some idea's I'd like to explore now. I tried 
>using PSC Menu (which I'm using as my main interface for users), but it 
>was too awkward.
>
>       I have a CD-ROM, which I'd like to give users access (once I put 
>a shareware disc in.) What I need is something to make it easier for them 
>to select files, a protocol, and show them descriptions of what each file 
>is (without having them view a "directory" file.) Anyone have any ideas? 
>How is Gopher or Lynx used this way? Is anyone currently porting a MSDOS 
>"file door" to Linux (which I think would be ideal.)
>
>

There are base programs for UL/DL protcols for x, y and z modem.  They 
are command line driven.  Using curses you could probobly write your own 
nice looking front end that could launch them...

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From: [email-masked] (Lau)
Subject: Re: going back to DOS --
Date: 24 Sep 1994 23:25:50 -0400

  [email-masked],
  In a message on 17 September, wrote :

sc> Rob Newberry ([email-masked]) wrote:
sc> : We just bought a new ZEOS system, which came with a Western Digital 720
sc> : disk.  We have Linux running on a Dell system which had a 270 MB disk. 
sc> : Basically, we wanted to keep the Dell system as the server, but swap ou
sc> : hard disks.  The ZEOS system will be running DOS/Windows.
sc> 
sc> : We got the 720 MB swapped in and the Dell system is now humming along. 
sc> : when we put the 270 MB disk in the ZEOS system, we keep having problems
sc> : formatting the drive in DOS.  Actually, it seems to format OK, but it k
sc> : having problems reading/writing the root directory -- it craps out when
sc> : to put on the system files.  Norton DiskDoctor can't seem to do anythin
sc> : it either.
sc> 
sc> : Has anybody got any idea why this wouldn't work?  The drive was working
sc> : and dandy under Linux -- why would it not work under DOS?  Is there som
sc> : I can do to clean the disk better, and get rid of any Linux stuff compl
sc> : (I wouldn't be surprised if DOS format didn't actually work completely)
sc>

        Something strange happened to my MFM when I swapped MB's and suddenly
I couldn't delete anything, "del", "chkdsk" , "format" and "fdisk" all didn't
work, nothing could touch the HD.  Even Norton's disk doctor could do anything.
Solution, use Linux's "FDISK" to delete all the partitions.  After that, Dos
"fdisk" worked just fine.  I don't have a clue why????

        Kin Lau ([email-masked])
   
---
 þ ATP/Linux 1.42 þ If it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well.

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Any HOWTO using and administering postgres in Linux
Date: 24 Sep 94 18:52:55 GMT

[email-masked] (Ted Hoang) writes:

>Hi,
>I am new with postgres and would like to learn this database but don't know
>how to start, using, and administering this database software. I'm appreciated
>if someone point to me where to get doc. or howto or any info. related with
>this.

There are different postgres packages around, and some miss the most
important docs.  Try getting the newest postgres version from:

    s2k-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/postgres/unofficial-ports/linux/newbie*.tar.gz

These contain about 1 Megabyte in the docs subdir.

Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: [email-masked] (Spencer PriceNash)
Subject: Re: Error when recompiling kernel
Date: 23 Sep 1994 23:23:39 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Geno Valicenti <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Can anyone help.  When I run `make `zImage` I get the following error.  I am
>currently running Slackware 2.0
>
>Linux darkstar 1.1.18 #5 Thu Jun 9 11:49:40 CDT 1994 i386
>
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-1.1.18+UMSDOS-0.3a+IFS-5.1/lib'
>ld  -Ttext 100000 boot/head.o init/main.o tools/version.o \
>        kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o net/net.o ipc/ipc.o \
>        fs/filesystems.a \
>        drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/net/net.a ibcs/ibcs.o
>drivers/scsi/scsi.a drivers/FPU-emu/math.a \
>        lib/lib.a \
>        -o tools/zSystem
>net/net.o: Undefined symbol _dev_init referenced from text segment
>net/net.o: Undefined symbol _net_bh referenced from text segment
>make: *** [tools/zSystem] Error 1

Heh.  I got the same error a few weeks back.  I had told the
configure script I didn't want ppp/slip support.  At the time, I
didn't.  It wouldn't ld.

Decided to try again today.  This time I told the configure script
I wanted ppp/slip support.  I did, this time.  It worked fine.

So far, so good.
-- 
Spencer PriceNash   [email-masked]   [email-masked]
Dan Quayle via anon ftp: Quotes at umcc.umich.edu in pub/users/quayle, GIFs
and sound files at vaxa.crc.mssm.edu in quayle/gif and quayle/sound.

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From: [email-masked] (William Todd Horch)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Help with UUCP/Smail
Date: 22 Sep 1994 01:45:18 GMT

:>      This is a old smail problem.  There are several ways to get 
:>      rid of this,  one,  you can probably get the smail fix 
:>      ( which I can uuencode and send to you as soon as my UUCP
:>      provider gets my account set back up!),  or probably a 
:>      new version of smail will work... 

Well, I got the new version of Smail, and it fixed the problem, but 
created a new one.  That was the ONLY change I made, and now mail gets 
from me to my neighbor, but mail from my neighbor doesn't get to me.  The 
mail gets here via UUCP, but Smail doesn't deliver it to the end user.

In the smail logs, it shows the messages as recieved, but there isn't a 
delivered segment.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!

--
+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Todd Horch          | I just don't know how much more of |
| [email-masked]  | this I can take.                   |
| [email-masked] |                       - me         |
+----------------------------------------------------------+

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: DOOM DOOM DOOM DUMB DUMB DUMB!
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 19:10:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mark A. Horton KA4YBR <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
>                mount -r -t raving.human /dev/keyboard /soapbox
>
>
>Do we have to have all this crap about a GAME cluttering up every single Linux
>group?  I fail to see the relevance to c.o.l.admin, c.o.l.development,
>c.o.l.a, etc.  It's a GAME, guys... NOT part of the OS!  If that's the most 
>important thing you do with Linux, I respectfully submit that you are
>wasting a lot of money on a microcomputer... just go out and buy a Nintendo...
>you'd probably be happier.
>
>                                umount /soapbox
>
>
>       - Mark
>

"Why don't you lie down and take a stress pill, Dave?"
                        Hal the computer, 2001

Relax guy, there is already serious work afoot to get seperate DOOM 
catagories for thsi over in rec.games.  When they are ready, we can send 
all the doom-ies over there.  Meanwhile, might i suggest you use a 
threaded news reader (such as trn, tin, etc) and just not read the DOOM 
stuff?

Jeff Kesselman

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: SLIP/PPP configuration
Date: 25 Sep 1994 18:46:57 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 00:23:34 +0000
From: Andre Couture <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: SLIP/PPP configuration
To: Al Longyear <[email-masked]>
cc: "comp.os.linux.admin" <[email-masked]>, 
    "comp.os.linux.help" <[email-masked]>
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9409260029.A8320-0100000@cyborg>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 25 Sep 1994, Al Longyear wrote:

| [email-masked] writes:
| 
| >I've been trying to get a slip connection to my linux box from a windows
| >client running tcpman 1.0a.
| >I followed instructions in the HOWTO/NET-2-HOWTO/help/man/...
| 
| >Almost everywhere they say to do a ifconfig., here is what I get when I
| >do that:
| 
| >#  /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 93.89.34.1 pointopoint 93.89.34.50
| >SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device or address
| 
| This means that you don't have the PPP protocol driver in your kernel.

Well, it says I have when I boot.

| 
| The list of network configured devices are in the /proc/net/dev file.

Let me check...I have ppp0..ppp3, sl0...sl3, eth0, lo
So that confirm.
| 
| >the same using sl0 or anything else.
| >Of course I selected SLIP/CSLIP/PPP when I recompiled my kernel 1.1.51.
| 
| I realize that this may be a dumb question on my part, and let me take
| the most obvious case first, but "Are you sure that you are running
| the kernel that you just compiled?"

Yes,

| An easy way to test is to run the "uname -a" command and look at the
| build date.

Ok, confirmed,
 
| You would not believe the number of people who just build the kernel
| and forget to tell LILO to install it. They end up running the old
| kernel and saying "I just put PPP into the kernel and it is not
| there."
| 
| Are you using LILO to load your system?

yes,
 
| If so, did you simply do "make" to build the kernel or did you do
| "make zlilo" to build the kernel? If you did "make", then issue "make
| zlilo" instead.

did, always do, first make zdisk (to test), then when I'm satisfy I 
simply do a 'make zlilo', that always give me a disk of the previous 
kernel and a backup!
 
| Buy the way, please try to avoid using ifconfig with PPP. Use the
| options on pppd if possible. The pppd process knows what needs to be
| added in the most common (99%) case if you give it the proper
| options. It will do things in the proper sequence. (The other 1% of
| the people want to use PPP for a remote router/bridge condition. This
| needs some help with external commands.)

I gave it a QUICK try after but ??? seem that it done not much,
 
| For a SLIP connection, I recommend dip (or sliplogin).

That sound good, at least go further, here is what I got after login:

# /sbin/dip -v -i
DIP: Dialup IP Protocol Driver version 3.3.7-uri (05 Apr 94)
Written by Fred N. van Kempen, MicroWalt Corporation.

DIP: name=root home=/tmp
     host=cyborg IP=93.89.34.1
     prot=SLIP MTU=296

Hostname: "explorer" [93.89.34.20]
Comments: "Slip"
Protocol: "CSLIP" (2)
IP MTU  : 296
Your IP address is 93.89.34.20. Server address is 93.89.34.1.  Starting 
CSLIP
DIP: tty_notlocal cannot TIOCSCTTY: Bad file number
DIP: tty: set_state: Bad file number
DIP: tty_notlocal cannot clr CLOCAL: Bad file number

How can I fix that? I'm trying (for now) on ttyS1 which is a null modem 
connection to my notebook.

When I get it to work I will give it a try by modem.

So, you seem to go me a bit further, what's next?

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Nardone)
Subject: Re: message display in ftp
Date: 25 Sep 1994 21:37:44 GMT

: I noticed this problem.  Here is a screen shot:

: ---
: ksaj:~# ftp localhost
: Connected to localhost.
: 220 csis FTP server (Linux csis 1.0 #1 Wed Aug 24 08:09:30 EDT 1994 i486)
: ready.Name (localhost:ksaj): ftp
: Password (localhost:ftp):
: 331 Guest login ok, send e-mail address as password.

This is a problem with ftp, not the ftpd in Linux.  This
problem exists when a Linux box ftp's to any machine,
Linux or otherwise.

If you ftp into a linux box from another host (non-Linux),
the 331 message prints in the right place.

Joe Nardone

[email-masked]

: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
: Remote system type is UNIX.
: Using binary mode to transfer files.
: ftp>
: ---

: Notice that the '331 Guest login ok, send e-mail address as password.' is
: presented _after_ you already login?  It should occur after you type in the
: login name.

: I don't think it should say ready.Name either.

: I hope this is fixed in slackware 2.0.  I noticed this in the SLS
: distribution as well.

: -- 
: There are those who are born UNIX     |  Karsten Johansson
: Those who are made UNIX               |  416/691-9838
: And those who become UNIX             |
: For the kingdom of heaven's sake      |  Matthew 19:12

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From: [email-masked] (Richard Keightley)
Subject: Re: /dev/audio: No such file or directory
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:48:44 -0800

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (G
Cheng) wrote:
> Do I have to have a sound card to play music?
> Or I can just play it through the PC native speaker?

From the Sound HOW TO by Jeff Tranter

  An alternate sound driver is available that requires no additional
  sound hardware; it uses the internal PC speaker. It is mostly software
  compatible with the sound card driver, but, as might be expected,
  provides much lower quality output and has much more CPU overhead. The
  results seem to vary, being dependent on the characteristics of the
  individual loudspeaker. For more information, see the documentation
  provided with the release.

  The current version is 0.6, and can be found at site sunsite.unc.edu
  in the file pub/Linux/kernel/misc-patches/pcsndrv-0.6.tar.z.

For a little more information look at chapter 5 of the Linux Sound User's
Guide also by Tranter.The current version is ALPHA 0.1, and is available on
tsx-11.mit.edu in the directory /pub/linux/ALPHA/LDP.

-- 
Richard Keightley                 [email-masked]
Scottsdale, AZ                    fax (602) 443-8196

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From: [email-masked] (John de Graaff)
Subject: Re: Repartition linux disk without lose of data
Date: 25 Sep 94 23:23:13 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
(Yonggang Qiu) writes:

> I repartioned the disk for the use of Linux as following:
> 
>  Disk /dev/hda: 13 heads, 32 sectors, 983 cylinders
>  Units = cylinders of 416 * 512 bytes
> 
>     Device Boot  Begin   Start     End  Blocks   Id  System
>  /dev/hda1   *       1       1     394   81936    6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
>  /dev/hda2         395     395     454   12480   82  Linux swap
>  /dev/hda3         455     455     983  110032   83  Linux native
> 
> In the begining, I had quite few RAM. That is why gave 12MB for swap.
> Now I extend the RAM to 12MB and need less swap than before. 
> 
> How can I repartion the disk and reduce the size of swap without
> loss of data?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

I know about a program that can merge two (primary dos) partitions,
in wich the data on the first is conserved. (Called FIPS, source:FTP)

But i don't know a program that can do merge/split/move/etc partitions 
in general.
As a matter of fact, i don't know wether a Linux-partition uses any specific
partition information, like cilinders etc. for it's file system.
If so, nothing's possible.
I know for a DOS-partition that it -should-  be possible to these things.

I'm sorry, i think there's no alternative...

****************************** *****************************************
John de Graaff                 *
Dpt. of Electrical Engineering  *   E-Mail: [email-masked]
Delft University of Technology   *
The Netherlands                   *   
*********************************** ************************************

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: lp polling driver = no irq?
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:33:40 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Andre Fachat) writes:
> Hi there!
> 
> When my Linux box boots, I get something like
> "lp_init: lp2 exists, using polling driver"
> 
> Does that mean, I can assign the now used IRQ for the printer
> to another serial port?

If you aren't running the lp driver which uses the IRQ for interupts, then
yes, you can use IRQs 5 and 7 for whatever you want.  (I have both lp1 and lp2
ports in my machine at home, and I use IRQ 5 for my ethernet card.  Then again
I have nothing connected to lp2 right now either.)

> Will DOS go on printing?

DOS doesn't use IRQs by default for either serial or parallel ports.
Some DOS software may.  You have to know.  I'm not sure about windows.

-- 
Kevin J. Cummings                       Peritus Software Services, Inc.
[email-masked]        [email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: Printers on the parallel port
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:41:22 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Stephen E. Farlow) writes:
> George Photakis ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : LPT1 in DOS is /dev/lp0 under Linux.... 
> : George Photakis
> 
> *****************************************************************
> WRONG!!! A laser printer in Linux is /dev/lp1 !!! Becareful here!
> *****************************************************************

Gack!  What an over-simplified, over generalized statement!  /dev/lp1
is for the printer attached to the parallel port with address 0x378.  Some
people have a parallel port with address 0x3BC, and it's /dev/lp0.  Others
may have a parallel port with address 0x278, and it's /dev/lp2.  IT HAS 
(almost) NOTHING TO DO WITH DOS DEVICE NAMES! (see my previous posting
on the subject.)  AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE PRINTER
IS A LASER PRINTER OR NOT!  For crying out loud, there are serial laser
printers out there too, which means they could very well be connected
to some /dev/ttyxx (or /dev/cuax).

-- 
Kevin J. Cummings                       Peritus Software Services, Inc.
[email-masked]        [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: SLIP/CSLIP & E-mail
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:48:19 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (James Nykiel) writes:
> 
> This is probably a stupid question but can somebody help me out with this, ok,
> I call my internet provider and start my SLIP/CSLIP connection as the root
> user, the connection is established so I switch virtual consoles and log in
> as jnykiel and start X Windows.
> 
> I decide to send somebody E-mail which I have no problems but what happens
> when somebody sends me E-mail and I am offline (no SLIP/CSLIP connection),
> where does this mail go, does the sender get a message that says I am un-
> reachable or what, all I know is that I never get any mail, possibly know-
> body loves me :( or I am doing something wrong.

It depends.  Who is publishing your MX records, and what do they say?
Usually your service provider will publish your records, and will point
them to one of there machines, which will hold on to your mail for 1, 3, or 7
days (or whatever they have configured, and probably negotiable to something
you want).

If you are publishing your own MX records, then you are definitely doing
something wrong.  When your machine is down, you have no MX records, and
nobody knows how to route mail to you, or they will use old, possibly
VERY old (by their standards) stale MX records in the hopes that they
will still work.  If some site (like your Internet provider) is not willing
to act as a store and forward site for you, then yes, mail will bounce
when you are not up.

Talk to your Internet provider.  They may charge extra.  Then again, they may
not.

-- 
Kevin J. Cummings                       Peritus Software Services, Inc.
[email-masked]        [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mike Castle)
Subject: Re: HELP -*- MANPATH does't work -*- why not
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 20:21:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
NISCHELWITZER Alexander Kurt <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have set my own MANPATH in my .tcshrc file
>but if I look to the env settings they are not
>there.

How are you adding it?  Certain that you're using setenv rather
than just set?  Not putting an equal sign in the line are you?

The following should work:

setenv MANPATH "$MANPATH :/usr/TeX/man"

>Does anyone know where the real System MANPATH is stored
>and how I can install a additional private MANPATH!

Well, on my Slackware 2.0 system, it's set in /etc/csh.login.

Of course, this means that one has to maintain separate copies
for csh  and  profile (for those bash users).  IMO, a better
solution would be to create a MANPATH file, and have the
appropriate start up shell extract the info from it.  That way
only one file needs to be updated.

Hope this helps.

mrc
-- 
Mike Castle .-=NEXUS=-.  Life is like a clock:  You can work constantly
  [email-masked]     and be right all the time, or not work at all
   [email-masked]       and be right at least twice a day.  -- mrc
    We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan.  -- Watchmen

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From: [email-masked] (PMWhitney)
Subject: lockup after VFS mount - help!
Date: 25 Sep 1994 16:55:03 -0400

I am attempting to install the Fall '94 release of Y's Plug & Play linux. 
Hardware listed below - all are recognized and check out ok.  The boot
runs all the way through the "VFS: Mounted root (iso9600 filesystem)
readonly." then just sits there (and sits there, and sits there)...  I
can't even get to the login prompt to continue installation!  Any
comments/suggestions gratefully received.

**** Hardware setup ****
Gateway 2000 4DX2-50V
Mitsumi CD-ROM w/SB "compatible" card
405MB IDE hard drive, partitioned into hda1 & hda2
8MB RAM

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From: [email-masked] (Lee J. Silverman)
Subject: Re: Linux won't keep correct time
Date: 25 Sep 1994 21:03:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli) writes:

   In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Tobias S. Keidl) writes:
   >It seems that every time I boot up my Linux box, the clock always is 1
   >hour behind what it should be.  Any time I reset the time, it changes
   >the next time I reboot.  I presume there is some config file somewhere
   >telling it to do that but I have no idea where or what (and it was also
   >exhibiting the same behavior before I was networked).  Anyone have any
   >solutions or suggestions?  I'd appreciate them!

   I have noticed the same thing-- I need to set the time with my BIOS
   config program.  Setting it through Linux always gets it reset after
   a reboot.

        I've seen the same problem, and I've also seen my clock wander
frequently.  Not suprisingly, the clocks in PC-COmpatibles aren't very
stable.  If you run "netdate" froma cron job every day or so, your
clock should remain accurate to within a second.  If it isn't that
accurate, you may have power supply problems or something else weird.

--
Lee Silverman, Brown class of '94, Brown GeoPhysics ScM '95
Email to: [email-masked]
Phish-Net Archivist: [email-masked]
"Nonsense - you only say it's impossible because nobody's ever done it."

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