Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #131
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 20:14:03 EDT

Linux-Admin Digest #131, Volume #2                Sat, 1 Oct 94 20:14:03 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Window managers (Matthew S. Crocker)
  Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Lover Man)
  Slackware 2.0.1, LaTeX, and umlauted characters (Tom Vaughan)
  CDD-522 recorder (or any other) on a linux box (Me)
  Re: PPP vs SLIP? (Daniel Schorr)
  Re: PPP + FAQ (steve)
  Re: ftp freeze problems (Daniel Tran)
  Re: PPP vs SLIP? ([email-masked])
  Re: PPP vs SLIP? (Wade Maxfield)
  Re: on board SCSI in Zeos systems (Theo Wylde Cardeus)
  /dev/tty0 ownership (Greg Jesus Wolodkin)
  Re: RPC.Portmap Probs (William B. Cattell)
  Re: Mounting my Linux drive from a Sun workstation (Anton de Wet)
  accessing nfs-mounted-dos-partitions from SGI (bastian bluemel)
  Re: Mounting my Linux drive from a Sun workstation (David Fox)
  Using host as gateway to net (Lover Man)
  Re: Pentiums (thanks!) (Wayne Hodgen)
  Re: Mathematica, GAUSS (Robert Millner)

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew S. Crocker)
Subject: Re: Window managers
Date: 29 Sep 1994 19:59:53 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: I'm using xdm to boot into Xwindows.  I finally got it so it loads Motif
: as the windows manager.  However, if a user wants to user another
: manager, they can't.  If they kill the Motifwm process, the system goes
: back to the login screen.  You can't simply run another wm, since one's
: already running.  If you tell Motif to quit, it does just that, and
: you're placed at the login screen again.

: I'd like some suggestions on allowing the user to switch managers.
: I am already aware that they can edit the $HOME/.Xsession file to set
: whichever manager they want.  But, I would like to be able to switch 'on
: the fly'.

when xdm runs (actually when xinit starts up) it run everything in a
file /usr/lib/X11/xinit/xsession or something like that.  the last
thing in that file is exec /usr/bin/X11/mwm (or fvwm).  xdm then waits
for that process to die.  when it does it goes back to the log in
prompt.

what you need to do is have that file check to see if
${HOME}/.Xsession exists if it does then source that, if it doesn't
then source a system default one..

soo.. 
in .Xsession you would add something like

/usr/bin/X11/mwm &  # start up Motif
/usr/bin/X11/xclock -digital -geometry +0+0 &
/usr/bin/X11/xeyes -geometry -0-0 &

exec /usr/bin/X11/xterm -T LOGIN -n login -bg black -fg white
#
#   these lines will not be run until the above xterm dies...
#

This way the user can change the windowmanager by killing the existing
one and starting up a new one..

is  kill mwm.pid ; /usr/bin/X11/fvwm &

xdm will log them out when they kill the xterm...

Hope this helps..

--
-Matthew S Crocker               "The mask, given time, comes
[email-masked]              to be the face itself."  -anonymous
*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*
 *linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*

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From: [email-masked] (Lover Man)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.development,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
Date: 30 Sep 94 20:21:00 GMT

[email-masked] (Jay Ashworth) writes:

>[email-masked] (David - Morris) writes:
>>Re. why not 127.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 -- the destination address must
>>be a 'host' address and the host address can't be zero (0).

>True... but I think he was talking about the destination address, not the
>interface address... you can route either the loopback _net_, or the
>loopback _host_, with equal facility.

>Cheers,
>-- jra
>-- 
>Jay R. Ashworth        High Technology Systems Comsulting             Ashworth
>Designer              Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation       & Associates
>ka1fjx/4                                                  
>[email-masked]   "Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?"  813 790 7592

Ok I have a question for you guys.  Since I didn't here the beginning of
this thread I have this particular problem:

I have a problem.  There is a machine which I dial up and get
a slip link to.  On this machines network I can access all of the 
machines.  However I have to telnet to a machine I have an account on
on that network to be able to telnet or ftp to the rest of the internet.
Is there a way I can somehow have the machine that I do have an account
on to act as some sort of a gateway.  I've tried specifiing that machine
as my gateway to no avail.

     #######          #####################
     # Me  #--------- # Dialup term server#----------+
     #######          #####################          |
                                                     |
                                                  #########
                                                  # "bert"#
                                                  #########
                                                     |
                                                 $$$$|$$$$$
                                                 $Internet$ 
                                                 $$$$$$$$$$

I want to make it look to my machine as if I am connected directly to
the internet.  And if possible to the internet that I am connected directly
to it.  I am assuming the termserver will not route packets out side of
the network the machine "bert" lies on.  I have an account on the machine
bert, which is how I access the internet.  I would like to be able to
do what I do from bert directly from my machine, which happens to be
a linux box.

Here is what I see when I type the route command on my box.  By the way 
which is a Linux machine.

Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
uicgate         *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
default         uicgate         *               UG    0      0     4996 sl0

uiucgate is the name of the termserver, or at least the name I gave it in
my hosts file.

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From: [email-masked] (Tom Vaughan)
Subject: Slackware 2.0.1, LaTeX, and umlauted characters
Date: 29 Sep 94 16:00:30 GMT

Hello,

I hope that it is OK to post about this here; I was not sure *where*
would be a good place.

Anyway, I have noticed that with the new Slackware NTeX package
(10 disks!) umlauted 'a's and 'o's don't show up under xdvi if the
source file is compiled under LaTeX. (Everything does, however,
seem to work fine with plain TeX documents.) If this is not the
right place to post, please tell me where I should post, because
someone needs to know about this bug.

Thomas Vaughan
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University of Oklahoma, Norman

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From: [email-masked] (Me)
Subject: CDD-522 recorder (or any other) on a linux box
Date: 29 Sep 1994 20:23:11 GMT

I'm looking into purchasing a Philips CDD-522 recorder, but most of the software
that I've seen for writing disks is written for DOS or Windows, and tends to be
more than $800.  I was cautioned against hanging a CD-recorder on *any*
multitasking system.  Has anyone had successful experiences writing CDs under
linux?  What software is used?  (Does one use one package to make an
ISO-compliant disk image, and then another package to actually copy the image
onto the CD-ROM?)  
 
Any information regarding CD-recorders on a unix box would be helpful.

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Schorr)
Subject: Re: PPP vs SLIP?
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:23:58 GMT

MacGyver ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi there,
: Currently, I'm happily churning away, using [C]SLIP on my machine.  Recently,
: someone told me that PPP is more efficient and much better than using
: SLIP.  Is this true?  Does anyone have a rough idea or maybe even some
: numbers showing which is better of the two to use?  If PPP is better,
: where can I get the necessary software to run it?  Is it as trivial to
: configure as SLIP was?  (With SLIP it was merely changing a sample
: script slightly).
: HJD.

If you have a working SLIP configuration then there's no need to move
to PPP. Once setup, both have more or less the same functionality.
  However, if somebody starts from scratch I suggest to use PPP
because it's much easier to configure. (Routing+ARP)
Daniel
=========================================================================
Daniel B. Schorr                        Mail:    [email-masked]
Bodenacherstr. 16, CH-8121 Benglen      Tel+Fax: +41 - (0)1 - 825 52 11

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From: [email-masked] (steve)
Subject: Re: PPP + FAQ
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 00:42:16 +0000

[email-masked] (Hugh Johnson x6549) writes:

>Mark A. Davis ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: [email-masked] (Ahmad Al-rasheedan) writes:

>: >Is there a FAQ or any doc. on seting up PPP for linux. I just wanna be armed.

>: I second that motion......  I am going to take the plunge into PPP/SLIP
>: soon, and it seems like LOTS of people have problems.

>Look in sunsite.unc.edu under the Documentation directories (LDP, I think)
>for the nags. (Network Administrator's Guide for Linux). This is a must-
>read for anyone who is going to set up _any_ tyhpe of networking, including
>ppp/slip.

Also look on ftp.demon.co.uk, under /pub/doc/unix. There are scripts for
Slackware 1.2/2 slip/ppp and news/mail setup. These are Demon Internet
specific, but only in the dip script and news/mail machine configs. Might
be worth a look for anyone just starting.
-- 
Steve Whorwood
e-mail [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Tran)
Subject: Re: ftp freeze problems
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:21:08 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (john taylor) writes:
>Craig Tavener ([email-masked]) wrote:
>I've got linux (Slackware2.0) recently installed on a 468-66.  It has an 
>ethernet card and is networked to Novell and and UNIX.  When ftp/telnetting 
>from linux to elsewhere things generally work well.  However, when trying to 
>ftp into the linux machine (most notably from the novell network) the 
>session frequently freezes.  Pressing cntl-C returns the ftp prompt, but the 
>last action ends up being truncated.  A good example of this is a file 
>transfer.  All packet but the last one get through.  Then it freezes and the 
>last packet it lost.

>Does anyone have any idea what is going on here?

>I have the same problem. When I ftp from my novell server to my linux box. 
>The entire file will transfer except the last 1 or 2K. How can this be fixed?

>John

I do not have that problem at all.  My workstation sits on the Novell network, 
I am constantly telneting and ftping to my linux box w/o any problems.
I'm running kernel 1.1.35

Daniel Tran - [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: PPP vs SLIP?
Date: 28 Sep 1994 04:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (MacGyver) writes:

   Hi there,

   Currently, I'm happily churning away, using [C]SLIP on my machine.  Recently,
   someone told me that PPP is more efficient and much better than using
   SLIP.  Is this true?  Does anyone have a rough idea or maybe even some
   numbers showing which is better of the two to use?  If PPP is better,
   where can I get the necessary software to run it?  Is it as trivial to
   configure as SLIP was?  (With SLIP it was merely changing a sample
   script slightly).

   HJD.
                -----*-----

    PPP may be more efficient than SLIP theoretically (I don't know)
but as a PPP user I am finding that my PPP-vendor's server is the weak
link in the system.

   I have a hunch that sudden, large variation in the RMS of ping
times may be a reasonably good predictor of imminent server-failure but
I haven't got around to writing a program to sample the ping times yet.

   Also I am finding that my current PPP-vendor seems to like
to kill my connection if I don't send anything out over the line for
more than a few minutes.

  But I found the Linux end of PPP to be much simpler to set up than I
had expected it to be; this fact I attribute to the superb manner in
which the PPP software (ppp-2.1.2a.tar.gz) has been configured and 
documented.

  IOW, when my PPP-vendor's server is up, it's great!

  Bill
--
Bill Hogan <[email-masked]>

   "Show me a wisdom that is greater than kindness." [J-J.Rousseau]

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From: [email-masked] (Wade Maxfield)
Subject: Re: PPP vs SLIP?
Date: 28 Sep 1994 02:23:39 GMT

        I got the Yggdrasil fall 94 cdrom, ftp'd rev B of the boot disk & errata.
I got a new 540 meg Maxtor HD, partitioned it w/ 4 partitions 270,100,100,30.75
/dev/hda4 is swap partition /dev/hda1 is /home  (no /usr partition specified)

        I created the boot floppy during the install process.  I set the boot flag
on /dev/hda1.  I can boot from floppy, but not from HD.  The HD boot gives me
"Missing Operating System."  I tried the Halt command.  It did not work.  I can boot
from floppy, and access the entire system, so I have a working system.

        I have a 386 DX 25 w/math co.  8 meg ram.  AMI bios (I switched from
bios ram 0030:00 to 1k Dos after reading errata, no change).  I installed most of
the errata from the Yggdrasil ftp site.  The /usr changes did not work due to
the stuff being on cdrom.

        CDRom is Sony CDR-33A, and it works fine.  I have X windows working.

        What do I do?  

        What do I do with the vmlinux that I ftp'd from Yggdrasil?
(ie: can I copy it over the one on the (newly made copy of the) boot floppy, and 
LILO it?  Should I?)

Thanks ahead of time
Wade Maxfield
[email-masked]

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From: twc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Theo Wylde Cardeus)
Subject: Re: on board SCSI in Zeos systems
Date: 1 Oct 1994 16:37:23 GMT

TIELEMAN PETER ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hello all,

: I am thinking of getting a SCSI drive for my Zeos dx66, running Linux. 
: Is there anybody out there who uses the on board SCSI chip Zeos offers? I
: would like to get an idea of how it compares with SCSIcontrollers cards, if it works with Linux, and if it works with 1GB SCSI-2 drives, for instance
: the Seagate Barracuda. Thanks for any information,

: Peter Tieleman

Hey pete.  I have a Zeos Pantera 90 and I use the onboard aha152x scsi chip. 
Basically, the chip works great with linux once you override Linux's desire
to find the card at IRQ 12..  

Performance-wise, you'd be better off getting a nice PCI based scsi card. 
the Zeos scsi chip seems to be wired into the ISA bus, not the PCI system. 
I just got a QLogic PCI scsi card and under DOS the speed difference is very
VERY noticible, I have yet to try the QLogic under Linux.  (I understand
there is a kernel patch...)

If you'd like any more info, just let me know.

twc

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From: [email-masked] (Greg Jesus Wolodkin)
Subject: /dev/tty0 ownership
Date: 1 Oct 1994 17:23:27 GMT

Hiya.  I've got basically a Slackware 2.0 Linux/X setup, with 
kernel version 1.1.50.  I'm using agetty on VCs 1-6, and X is 
on VC 7.  

The man pages for console and tty indicate the /dev/tty? should
be mode 622, owned by root.tty, in general.  It also makes sense
that when a user logs in, they should get ownership of the 
appropriate ttys.  That seems to happen fine for /dev/tty[1-6],
but not so for the rest.

When I start X, I get ownership of /dev/console, /dev/tty0, and 
/dev/tty7.  When I leave X, I retain ownership.  When I log out,
I retain  ownership.  When someone else logs in, they are bummed.
In particular, if someone tries to use loadkeys, they find that
I own the console and they are not allowed to muck with it.  When
I say `I', I mean an ordinary user, not root.  If another ordinary
user starts X, then they get the console, and after exiting they 
retain ownership.

It doesn't look like `startx' or `xinit' are responsible for re-
setting ownerships, so I guess it's X.  Can anyone suggest what I
can do to make things right?  Anyone else have this problem?

Also I notice that, even for /dev/tty[1-6], when I logout, owner-
ship goes back to root.root, not root.tty as the manpage suggests.
Yet all the relevant programs (agetty, /bin/login) are owned by
root.bin -- which program is responsible here and how can I get it
to `do the right thing'?? 

Thanks in advance,
Greg

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From: [email-masked] (William B. Cattell)
Subject: Re: RPC.Portmap Probs
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 03:00:39 GMT

Ian V. Quickmire ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I keep getting the following error at some point during NFS mounts either from 
: the client side to me, or from me to the client.

: clntudp_create: RPC: Port Mapper failure - RPC: Unable to send

: This effectively kills NFS: neither me nor the client can nfs mount disks 
: afterwards.

: I configged Linux with NFS fs; set up rc.inet2 to load the proper daemons, all 
: except bwnfsd, which was causing a msg during init: RPC: Not Registered.
: What exactly is bwnfsd?

: This occurred with Linux 1.0, and I just patched up to 1.0.9, and it is still 
: occurring.

I am receiving the same error when trying to mount from my 386 (1.1.47 
kernel) a drive on the 486 (1.1.47, same rpc.xxx files as 386).  I can 
mount the 386's drive from the 486 though.  I can mount the 486's drive 
from DOS PC's via either the LWP NFS drivers or TSoft's S/W NFS driver.

Anyone have any ideas?

Bill Cattell
[email-masked] -- woof, woof... YELP.

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From: [email-masked] (Anton de Wet)
Subject: Re: Mounting my Linux drive from a Sun workstation
Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:15:02 GMT

Stephen Louis Ulmer ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Edit your rc.inet2 (on the Linux box) and enable the nfsd and the rpc
: portmapper.

Just a word of warning uncommenting things in rc.inet2

Don't uncomment the routed part unless you know what you are doing.

One of our new linux users did that while switching on his nfs, and had the
whole campus network (and a number of outside networks but shhhhh) confused 
with bogus routing info that it distributed 

8-(

or 

;-)

Depending on your outlook on life

Anton

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From: [email-masked] (bastian bluemel)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: accessing nfs-mounted-dos-partitions from SGI
Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:01:41 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

   'hello, world'

   STATUS:
      I exported a dos-partition from a linux-486-pc (slackware 1.0.9, Kernel 1.1.18).
   
      The linux-fstab-entry is:
      '/dev/sdb5 /dos_data  msdos rw,exec,umask=000,conv=auto'

      This drive is nfs-mounted on a SGI-INDIGO2 running IRIX 5.2 .
      The parent directory an all of its mounted contents have permissions:
      '-rwxrwxrwx root root'.

   PROBLEM:
      Nobody else than root can write to this device when logged on
      the INDIGO. Write access is denied with the message: 
      'Cannot create filename - Not privileged'.

      More precisely, it is not possible to create non-zero-length
      files. All FAT-operations like deleting files and 'touch'ing new
      files work well.
   
      Logging in the linux-system with the same non-root-user-account I
      can do what I want on the dos-device.

   I'm looking forward to your suggestions,  thanks in advance !

-- 

* Bastian Bluemel@Hermann-Foettinger-Institut, TU-Berlin                                *
* Mueller-Breslau-Strasse 8, 10623 Berlin, Germany                                      *

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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Mounting my Linux drive from a Sun workstation
Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:16:23 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (TlingitMan) writes:

] Joseph P DeCello IIII writes:
] 
] ANd make the read size and write size = 1024 in the mounting options when
] you mount the NFS drive (SunOs 4.1.3  likes 8K - Linux doesn't)

This is the first time I've heard this.  Florian La Roche posted
NFS patches in which he mentions rsize=8192,wsize=4096, but I
don't remember if this is for mounting linux on sun or sun on
linux.  I've been mounting linux on sun with rsize=8192,wsize=4096
but the results have been intermittant - it works well for hours
but then it hangs.  (When I go home and can't get at it, ususally.)
Is rsize=1024,wsize=1024 going to be a win?
--
David Fox                                               xoF divaD
NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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From: [email-masked] (Lover Man)
Subject: Using host as gateway to net
Date: 30 Sep 94 21:09:26 GMT

I have a problem.  There is a machine which I dial up and get
a slip link to.  On this machines network I can access all of the 
machines.  However I have to telnet to a machine I have an account on
on that network to be able to telnet or ftp to the rest of the internet.
Is there a way I can somehow have the machine that I do have an account
on to act as some sort of a gateway.  I've tried specifiing that machine
as my gateway to no avail.

     #######          #####################
     # Me  #--------- # Dialup term server#----------+
     #######          #####################          |
                                                     |
                                                  #########
                                                  # "bert"#
                                                  #########
                                                     |
                                                 $$$$|$$$$$
                                                 $Internet$ 
                                                 $$$$$$$$$$

I want to make it look to my machine as if I am connected directly to
the internet.  And if possible to the internet that I am connected directly
to it.  I am assuming the termserver will not route packets out side of
the network the machine "bert" lies on.  I have an account on the machine
bert, which is how I access the internet.  I would like to be able to
do what I do from bert directly from my machine.

Here is what I see when I type the route command on my box.  By the way 
which is a Linux machine.

Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
uicgate         *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
default         uicgate         *               UG    0      0     4996 sl0

uiucgate is the name of the termserver, or at least the name I gave it in
my hosts file.

Its IP is 128.248.7.1, the numbers the termserver gives me are usually
128.248.7.n where 'n' is some number.  Bert the machine that I can
get to and have a logon on has an IP of 128.248.166.23.  I can get anywher
e once I am logged onto bert.  I do have a particular interest in getting
on machines with 141.142.x.x,  128.174.x.x , and if possible the
whole dang net.

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From: [email-masked] (Wayne Hodgen)
Subject: Re: Pentiums (thanks!)
Date: 30 Sep 1994 09:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

|> >>... and why don't you post a summary ?
|> 
|> Because it's quite a lot, but since you're not the only one who asks me
|> to do this in this particularly friendly way, I include in down below.
|> (Flames about the size of it can be e-mailed to Martin Spott ;-) )

[deleted]

Normaly I wouldn't bother but its Friday and I'm feeling pedantic. What you
posted WAS NOT a summary, it was the contents of your mail folder. Have you
read Emily Postnews? It's a text on nettiquette, nice and sarcastic. I
would recomend it to anyone starting in the usenet. The best bit is, if you
read it, you'll find a bit on your "summary" in there ;) It gets posted
regularly in news.answers I think.

OBLinux:

Looks like Xfree 3.1 isn't going to make it out on time. :) Depending on
which country the release is supposed to be coming from they have 0 - 24 hours
left <g>

Bye
-- 
Wayne Hodgen   | [email-masked] | #include <ridiculouslylong
Uni Koblenz,   | or Fight-o-net 2:2454/518.42     | legalesemumbojumbodisclaim
Rheinau 1,     | Voice: +49 261 9119-645          | er||stupidasciipictureover
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From: [email-masked] (Robert Millner)
Subject: Re: Mathematica, GAUSS
Date: 30 Sep 1994 14:16:47 GMT

Ted Harding ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In response to queries from colleagues, I am trying to find out if
: the mathematics packages MATHEMATICA and GAUSS are available for
: Linux, or in UNIX version which can be persuaded to work in Linux.
:  
: (We're aware of MAPLE)

: Ted Harding                               ([email-masked])
        Try something like: [email-masked], and they'll tell you that
they're not interested in Linux.  Pretty stupid on their behalf if you
ask me but thats marketers trying to speak for the programmers for ya.
This bounced around the groups a while ago and that was the response.  I
hope they changed their minds by now.  If they haven't, there is
considerable headway in making Linux use the binaries of other i386
unices.  If they don't support it directly, see if one of the binary
packages they support will run under the newer kernels.  Then tell us
8-).  I am also really interested in gatting mathematica for Linux.  At
the moment, that is the ONLY reason I ever boot dos.
        Rob
--
[email-masked]             
[email-masked]                       
[email-masked]                    
Finger [email-masked] for info and PGP public key.    

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