Subject: Linux-Development Digest #140
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Linux-Development Digest #140, Volume #2          Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: NET releases and non-8-bit aligned subnet masks (Alan Cox)
  Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Tor Arntsen)
  Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (Rich Deighton)
  Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (Rich Deighton)
  Driver for Colorado Trakker? (Ilkka Tuohela)
  Re: Alpha Linux (Tor Arntsen)
  Re: Netware Client (Rafal Maszkowski)
  Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type?? (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Mach64 XServer 90MHz limitation (Weng Loh)
  Linux for the Mac... :-) (George Andre)
  Re: Netware Client (Mark Evans)
  Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Vicky.Barbe)
  Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Vicky.Barbe)
  Re: NOVELL lan driver for linux ?? (Po-An Hsiung)
  Re: Best PCI viceo and SCSI controller (Jered J Floyd)
  sather on a PowerMac? (Ron Dilsavor (Sverdrup))
  Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Dan Newcombe)
  Re: help SCSI aha1542 broken since 1.1.36 now in 1.1.49 (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: floppy problems in 1.1.49 (Wolfram Gloger)
  Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux? (Dan Newcombe)

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NET releases and non-8-bit aligned subnet masks
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:55:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Larry Augustin) writes:
>A (hopefully) quick question.  Which versions of Net and the kernel
>support non 8-bit aligned networks/netmasks?  I couldn't find any
>mention of this in the FAQs.

0.99.15 and higher

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Tor Arntsen)
Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked], [email-masked] (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:
[...]
>BTW, the entry level Indy used to be the Indy 4400PC, and the 4400's
>performance without a secondary cache is pretty poor. It's still at
>least as fast as a DX66.
[...]

The entry level Indy used to be an R4000PC, not R4400. The difference is big..
We have both the Indy 4000PC and the 4600 version on site here.
The 4600 is really nice and fast.
I'm considering a R4600 board for a PC box, although the CPU alone is not enough 
to get a well balanced system w.r.t. performance.

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Tor Arntsen ([email-masked])                       Standard disclaimers apply.

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From: [email-masked] (Rich Deighton)
Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:45:08 GMT

>I've just seen some new dual processor pentium systems in Computer
>Shopper.  They look swell for the money, but there isn't a single OS
>that can take advantage of them.

Wrong. Windows NT will take advantage of multi-processors and does it 
transparently without any extra config.

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From: [email-masked] (Rich Deighton)
Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:56:54 GMT

>Are you sure NT doesn't support them?  I thought it supported SMP?
>(I know.. It's not much of an OS, but it isn't all _that_ bad from 
>what I hear.)

 "...not much of an OS.."

Ho-hum. It's actually an extremely good OS. I've been using it for 3 months 
now and have been toying with the idea of making space on my Linux box for
it. The NT kernel (executive) provides features similiar to the Linux kernel,
there are differences especially in the way NT is hardware independant, 
is fully multip-threaded and can handle SMP. Features which I think the Linux
kernel would benefit from.

So the frontend to NT is basically the 3.1 API but so what. It actually works
under the NT kernel! You can get used to it.

It has to be said that Linux is a very good OS, but there is little need to
flame something just because it comes from Microsoft. Be open minded about
such things :-)

Rich

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From: Ilkka Tuohela
Subject: Driver for Colorado Trakker?
Date: 07 Sep 1994 21:28:17 GMT

Has someone written a Colorado Trakker -driver for Linux? Where could
I find it? 

        * hile *

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From: [email-masked] (Tor Arntsen)
Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:18:14 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>>Why drop one? 
>>>16 bits = short int
>>>32 bits = int
>>>64 bits = long
>
>This is, what OSF/1 does. So `the OSF/1 idiocy' bemoaned by Anton must
[...]

And IRIX 6 as far as I know.
--
Tor

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From: [email-masked] (Rafal Maszkowski)
Subject: Re: Netware Client
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:24:55 GMT

Mark Evans ([email-masked]) wrote:
> Alan Cox ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : Alternatively you wait for Undocumented Netware to come out and work from
> : that.
> Or you read the Dr Dobbs stuff, look at lots of ethernet packets, apply guesswork and
> trial and error.

Just curiosity: can the author be sued for writing or distributing
client written as above?

R.
-- 
Rafal Maszkowski [email-masked]      http://www.mat.uni.torun.pl/~rzm
Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - St. J. Lec

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From: [email-masked] (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Crossposted-To: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type??
Date: 8 Sep 1994 13:02:10 +0200

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Rob Robertson) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Michael Dillon) writes:

>   1. This is a compressed file system using LZ technology
>   2. Since LZ compression replaces repeated strings with a dictionary
>      reference and since news postings tend to have a lot of the
>      same words over and over, the NSFS uses a two part dictionary.
>      The first part of the dictionary is applied to all files in the
>      NSFS and contains words that are likely to occur in many news postings.
>      This includes headers 

There should be enough redundance to recognize garbled headers. Remember
the flood of dupes during Easter? That was a gateway from another net
where data is stored in a form that is very efficient for the site,
but a pain in the %&$ for the net. We shouldn't fall for _known_ traps.
(There used to be a sort of regular posting, ahem thread, in de.admin.* 
under subjects like (translated) "NUKE THE %&$! GATEWAYS !!!!". I haven't
seen it for more than a month, however ...)

>and common English words and phrases. The

NON. Tout compris? (Translation: NEIN. Alles klar?).
See what I mean?

>      second part is a file specific dictionary as is normally found in
>      LZ compression systems.

>I don't think this would work, as so many words in usenet postings are
>misspelled that looking them up in a dictionary, probably won't buy
>you anything, cuz they won't be found!
>              ^
>               c whut i meen?

>Oh, I just got an idea, maybe we could use it to do spelling
>correction!

"Their are knot any dragons hear. Instead their are bare and hoarse and 
a grate many other monsters. Hour ruler is King Trent, whoo has rained 
four seventeen years. Know won gets chaste here; oui fair inn piece. 
My tail is dun."

Indeed, it is.
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  [email-masked]

Disclaimer: Some of my best Bnews users are friends.

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From: [email-masked] (Weng Loh)
Subject: Mach64 XServer 90MHz limitation
Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:24:37 -0400

I am currently playing with "alpha" driver for the ATI
Mach64 chipset XServer posted on sunsite.unc.edu. 

The configured clocks for that chipset goes up to 135Mhz
(or thereabout) but the server does not like seeing any
clock set above 90Mhz.

I have tried rebuilding the server ( XFree_SVGA using
the alpha ATI driver.c ) after changing the include
file x386.h def for the default max clock rate to
150000 (150Mhz) and remade all files. However the
rebuilt Server still complains if I specify a clock
over 90MHz.

This is proving to be a real nuisance as my ATI
card needs a 100Mhz clock to do the resolutions
above 1024x768 at acceptable (70Hz) refresh rates.

Does anybody know if there are other parts of the
server that needs to be patched to overcome this
90MHz clock limit?

Thanks.

  Weng.

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From: [email-masked] (George Andre)
Subject: Linux for the Mac... :-)
Date: 8 Sep 1994 18:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi folks!

I must confess.. I got so excited about the Linux on my schools PCs that I've decided to help the Linux community to port it on the Mac... Anyone that is involved into such a project or knows someone that is, please, give me a call. (email)

mvh, George A.

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George Andre                    *               Epiqure Design
[email-masked]           *       Sweden's only entertainment software house.
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From: [email-masked] (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Netware Client
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:47:24 GMT

Alan Cox ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Sander Plomp) writes:

: >But NetWare clients for many OS-es exists, and it should be possible to
: >make one for linux just as well.

: Yes you buy the documentation from Novell for $15000 + royalties sign a 
: non disclosure agreement and write a user mode file system using no GPL or
: LGL code.

: Alternatively you wait for Undocumented Netware to come out and work from
: that.

Or you read the Dr Dobbs stuff, look at lots of ethernet packets, apply guesswork and
trial and error.

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From: [email-masked] (Vicky.Barbe)
Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:24:05 GMT

In article [email-masked], [email-masked] (Rob Janssen) writes:
> In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Erik Fortune) writes:
> 

<stuff about article deleted>

> 
> 
> However, this is not what the thread is all about.  The point is that the
> original statement that an Indy makes a Pentium feel like a 4.77MHz XT
> was a gross exaggeration, and that still stands.  The memo only shows that
> SGI has had performance problems as well.  It would be a real feat when
> the difference between 5.1 and 5.2 was between something that is too
> slow to work with and something that is 50 times as fast as a Pentium,
> but I *really doubt* this is the case.

No, err, the point actually was that Linux is getting so large it is
becoming unhandy : 1.66 megabytes doesn't even fit on one floppy anymore !
Cut the bull and throw away all but the most necessary drivers, let the
owners get their drivers off the net if they want !  It's okay to put
all the drivers into the distributions, but I don't want them when I upgrade
my kernel.  Most kernel work isn't kernel but driver work these days.

And I'm not proposing holy wars against Intel architecture, I just said that
Linux is perhaps a bit too depending on it.  I know that to build an OS that
runs on a lot of different architectures (with or without recompiling), you
have got to write a new OS and put Linux on top, so forget about that for
a moment.  But all those drivers ...  I don't want to spend 6 megabytes of
my hard disk for just the sources of yet another cdrom or scsi or ethernet
device.

> 
> Rob
> 

Peter.

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From: [email-masked] (Vicky.Barbe)
Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:31:32 GMT

> But one can buy PC-Hardware on each Shop, department store, and so on....
> The "Shit" is available everywhere. If you go to a computer show (e.g. CeBIT,
> or ComDex...) you here the question "Can this HardWare running Windows???"!
> The masses ask for Intel, not For POWER, MIPS, Sparc or ARM....!!!
> I to think Motorola, and all the others have built better Procs., but not the
> best wins the Price. The most aggressive does it!! And MS-Intel is aggressive!
> 

... like the good old fortune once told me :

"Suppose Cray computers suddenly develop a personal computer.  So it happens,
and the machine turns out to run at 300Mhz, 500 Mips, it has 200Mb of internal
memory, 4Gb hard disk, a screen resolution of 4096x4096 in 24bit true color
and ... it fits into your shirt pocket and is fully voice activated.  Which
is the first question the computer society asks ?

'Does it run dos-software ?'"

Peter.

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From: eric@laplace (Po-An Hsiung)
Subject: Re: NOVELL lan driver for linux ??
Date: 8 Sep 1994 08:12:32 GMT

Have you tried using dosemu0.53 (the latest version is pre53_18) which
includes support for NOVELL lan, so try it.

BTW, if you don't know dosemu is a DOS emulator for linux which is very
efficient and almost the same as the real DOS.

Eric.

Kevin Kitchens ([email-masked]) wrote:
: alberto gaiga ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : Dear Linuxers,
: : I have a PC on a NOVELL lan, I would like to use it
: : with linux...
: : You know... dos is not Uni*!
: : Well, the question is this:
: :     The novell is attached to Internet,
: :             is there a way to let my pc
: :             share this link? Can my Pc
: :             run linux and use novell to reach
: :             the outer world?
: : The only way that I can figure is to use another
: : PC as MSDOS-SLIP server and attach my machine to it.

: : Any help will be appreciated very much.
: : PLEASE ANSWER WITH MAIL!!!
: : Best regards,Alberto.

: PLEASE ANSWER TO THE LIST TOO!!!!

: Kevin

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From: [email-masked] (Jered J Floyd)
Subject: Re: Best PCI viceo and SCSI controller
Date: 8 Sep 1994 21:40:57 GMT

What I use, and find as best, is:
   Buslogic BT946C - PCI     This SCSI card is absolutely wonderful.
   Diamond Stealth 64 PCI    This video will be supported in XF3.1

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From: [email-masked] (Ron Dilsavor (Sverdrup))
Subject: sather on a PowerMac?
Date: 7 Sep 1994 21:05:40 GMT

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Newcombe)
Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:51:28 UNDEFINED

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Vicky.Barbe) writes:
>... like the good old fortune once told me :

>"Suppose Cray computers suddenly develop a personal computer.  So it happens,
>and the machine turns out to run at 300Mhz, 500 Mips, it has 200Mb of internal
>memory, 4Gb hard disk, a screen resolution of 4096x4096 in 24bit true color
>and ... it fits into your shirt pocket and is fully voice activated.  Which
>is the first question the computer society asks ?

>'Does it run dos-software ?'"

Yup...you can tell it's an old fortune.   now adays they'd ask if it ran 
windows :(

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From: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: help SCSI aha1542 broken since 1.1.36 now in 1.1.49
Date: 7 Sep 1994 15:19:37 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Steven A Marien ecrit:

> In article <[email-masked]>,
> BARRY TITMARSH  <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >So please. Who is working on scsi aha1542B/C code now..
> >I have a broken aha1542 since 1.1.36 and still no fix.
>
> My Adaptec 1542B has worked with every kernel I've installed.
> This includes 1.1.49 and many other previous patch levels.  

Mine too, I'm happy with it.

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From: [email-masked] (Wolfram Gloger)
Subject: Re: floppy problems in 1.1.49
Date: 8 Sep 1994 14:53:20 GMT

[email-masked] (Doug Nicholson) writes:

>Michael Callahan ([email-masked]) wrote:

>[ ... some stuff deleted ... ]

>: Sep  2 04:58:18 darkstar kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 2/0
>: Sep  2 04:58:22 darkstar kernel: floppy: disk absent or changed during operationSep  2 04:58:22 darkstar kernel: floppy I/O error
>: Sep  2 04:58:22 darkstar kernel: dev 0200, sector 38

>[ ... more stuff deleted ... ]

As this was not while loading a ramdisk, I can't comment.

>You're not the only one having problems, Mike.

>I get messages similar to the above when I boot from floppy and
>the kernel is copying the floppy to the ramdisk.  This occurs
>with both 1.1.23 and 1.1.45 but not 1.0 or 1.0.9.

I had this too until 1.1.47 (I believe) then it got fixed - I have
a bootable rootdisk with 1.1.49 that works just fine.

Wolfram.

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Newcombe)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux?
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:01:16 UNDEFINED

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Larry Meadows) writes:
>1. Are people interested in a commercial compiler suite for Linux on
>   Intel Architecture platforms? The suite would include true compilers
>   for extended Fortran 77, ANSI C, Draft-ANSI C++ with extensions, and
>   High Performance Fortran. C, f77, and C++ could support shared memory
>   parallelism (thread-based) if system support is available in Linux.
>   HPF would support socket-based communications on networked systems,
>   and could support custom interconnects.

Well, I think that porting the C/C++ would be fruitless with Gnu.  The 
FORTRAN, while not useful to me, would probably be found useful by some.  
There is the f2c program, but I think a native FORTRAN compiler would be 
looked upon with more favour.

>2. How much would people pay for such a product [ loaded question ]?

As I've said, it's not something I need...but I would expect it should be no 
more than $500.

>3. What distribution media would be required?

Floppy, CD, FTP

>4. Is there interest in accompanying GUI/non-GUI debuggers and
>   performance analysis tools?

A GUI debugger would be nice.  xxgdb is a pain, and UPS, while better, ain't 
perfect.   It would be nice as long as it's not thousands of dollars.

        -Dan

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