Subject: Linux-Development Digest #169
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Linux-Development Digest #169, Volume #2         Tue, 13 Sep 94 21:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: RFD: Linux and end-users (Was: Don't use Linux?!) (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  Re: SCO on Linux (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  RPC Failure .... CDROM (Timothy Kulig)
  Re: Novell routing between IPX/TCPIP? (Rob Coursey)
  Looking for a Fax daemon (Rob Coursey)
  Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type?? (Tom Limoncelli)
  'Timer expired' error with ftape (Ulf Griesmann)
  Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Hamish Macdonald)
  Re: Login USERID length bug? (Hamish Macdonald)
  Re: -fPIC flag in gcc (David Engel)
  Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (Vassili Leonov)
  Latest Linux Revision (Timothy Kulig)
  Re: IDEA: Energy saving features for harddisks (Joerg Schneider)
  SCO on Linux (Timothy Kulig)
  Re: Help with development using vi. (Warwick Allison)
  1 Gig Hard Drives (Timothy Kulig)

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From: [email-masked] (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Subject: Re: RFD: Linux and end-users (Was: Don't use Linux?!)
Date: 13 Sep 1994 07:03:06 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ted Harding ([email-masked]) wrote:
: What Linux lacks, so far, is a /good/ base of applications software.
True, but remember when Linux came alive....
How old is DO$, and WINDOW$E ?
What about SISCAD-P, Image analysis tools (professional > 10.000 US$)
iBCS....
: Say what you like about DOS (DR- or MS-), there's a huge repertoire
: of often excellent DOS-based applications software. Agreed the

: to work. If even the now obsolescent dBase-III for DOS were ported to
: Linux this would make work a lot easier.
Check commercial adds (and read these newsgroups) - it's already
commercially available for Linux
And give a try for the Xess3 demo (SCO version - runs faster
than 123 for Windo$e...)

Some People wan't a company like BillyBoys one - they get for what they
pay for - let them go.
My Linux uptime is now > 5 weeks (kernel update, only to 1.1.24 -> dosemu
- Once a week one of my collegues comes to
me having crashes w/ windo$e, corrupted doublespace and so on.
And it'll take some time for companies to develop for Linux - but maybe
not the big ones. They ARE starting - see the increasing numbers of
ads in computer magazines...
Sebastian
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From: [email-masked] (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Subject: Re: SCO on Linux
Date: 13 Sep 1994 07:07:41 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Timothy Kulig ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Is it true that you can run SCO based programs under Linux?
Yes, works great!
: If so how???
Get the iBCS2 emulator from sunsite (slackware-source/extra-stuff/iBCS2...
and modules (kernel subdir));
compile, insmod, ready; Get Demos (WP51, Xess3 for Sco are working fine);
Also running is Mosaic, Xarchie and a lot of other Sco programs.
(for WP get the wpfix.tar.gz from sunsite apps/editors)
Enjoy it
Sebastian
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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Kulig)
Subject: RPC Failure .... CDROM
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:24:05 GMT

Whenever I mount my CDROM on /cdrom then /etc/export /cdrom
on my HP 9000/832 I mount it read it, but .... When I try
to copy anything off of it, I get "RPC Failure ...."
Anything I'm doing? I see the CD Light go off for a split second
then quote the Kulig ..... Never more.

I appreciate it.

Tim Kulig

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Coursey)
Subject: Re: Novell routing between IPX/TCPIP?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:25:32 GMT

Alan Cox ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Bob Kaehms) writes:
: >Does anyone have any ideas on how I could turn Linux into a router for
: >both TCPIP and IPX?  what would it take to get IPX routing available on
: >Linux? Buy-in from Novell?  Anyone familar enough with IPX to know whether
: >or not this is doable without Novell?

another option is to simply include the TCP/IP frametype 
(ethernet_II) in your net.cfg for the link drivers on your workstations 
(novell that is) and bind IP to your lan card on your novell server like:
   load mycard.lan port=xx slot=xx frame=ethernet_ii
   bind ip to mycard addr=x.x.x.x
and your server is now a router for the ip stuffs

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Coursey)
Subject: Looking for a Fax daemon
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:29:36 GMT

I was just wondering if somebody had already either started or had completed
a fax server for linux and, of course, if so, would you know the location
of where it might be?

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From: [email-masked] (Tom Limoncelli)
Crossposted-To: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type??
Date: 13 Sep 1994 16:56:27 -0400

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Alan Barrow) writes:

>We can "specify/design" what we need to include in the DB as data or
>index's for free. Then and only then do we code. Then someone with INN
>and an ORACLE/INGRESS/INFORMIX/SYBASE/ALLBASE license tests it.
>(probably at least the code person, as a start) :-) No big deal, JASMOP.  :-)

If you are serious about this kind of project, consider InterBase from
Borland.  It has some things in it that make it able to handle what
netnews needs a lot better than other systems.  In particular, other
systems do an exclusive lock on the database for each transaction.
InterBase lets you flag a transaction as, "I'm just browsing" and as
doesn't lock things.  So, when you are writing a banking application
you turn that off.  When you are writing something that lets a manager
run a zillion little reports to try to find or visualize the data, you
set that flag.  You get much better performance.

Netnews reading fits that model well.

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From: [email-masked] (Ulf Griesmann)
Subject: 'Timer expired' error with ftape
Date: 13 Sep 1994 19:34:34 GMT

Hi All,

I am having problems using the ftape driver with a Colorado DJ20 drive
which may point to a bug in the driver.  When dumping a file
to tape with the following command:

>> dd if=everything.zip of=/dev/ftape bs=10k

I will after a while get the following error message:

dd: /dev/ftape: Timer expired
435+0 records in
434+0 records out

(Note: everything.zip is 60MB large)

This error consistenly occurs on several machines 
(386/40, 486/66) with kernels 1.1.[345]x  and ftape version 1.13b. 
It also stops 'tar' and 'cpio' dead in their tracks. 
The error log shows that the timeout occurs in function 'ftape_ready_wait'
following a call to 'setup_segment'. 

  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - tracks-per-cartridge: 28.
  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - max-floppy-side:      6.
  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - max-floppy-track:     149.
  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - max-floppy-sector:    128.
  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - first data segment: 2.
  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - `last' segment is 4199, 29 Kb.
  ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - 121594 Kb usable on this tape.
  ftape-eof.c (extract_file_marks) - number of file marks: 0.
  ftape-write.c (copy_and_gen_ecc) - bad sectors in map: 1.
  ftape-rw.c (setup_segment) - segment: 21, bad sector map: 00100000.
  ftape-write.c (copy_and_gen_ecc) - bad sectors in map: 32.
  ftape-write.c (copy_and_gen_ecc) - empty segment.
  ftape-write.c (_write_segment) - empty segment, nothing written.
  ftape-rw.c (setup_segment) - segment: 112, bad sector map: ffffffff.
  ftape-io.c (ftape_ready_wait) - timeout.           <-------------------- :-(
  ftape-write.c (write_segment) - eot/bot not reached.
  ftape-write.c (_write_segment) - write_segment failed, error: 62.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) - error: unable to update header segments.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) - == Non-fatal errors this run: ==.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) - fdc isr statistics:.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  id_am_errors     : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  id_crc_errors    : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  data_am_errors   : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  data_crc_errors  : 1.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  overrun_errors   : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  no_data_errors   : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) -  retries          : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) - repositions       : 0.
  ftape-io.c (_ftape_close) - last segment      : 151.

Curiously, this error seems to happen only with tapes formatted using
the Colorado software for DOS which came with the DJ20 drive. I have one 
preformatted tape which seems to work o.k.  Does anyone out there have
a similar problem? Is it caused by bad tapes or by a bug in the driver?
Can it be fixed??

Cheerio,
   Ulf

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From: [email-masked] (Hamish Macdonald)
Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
Date: 13 Sep 1994 21:16:47 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Sep 1994 18:23:22 EST,
>>>>> In message <[email-masked]>,
>>>>> [email-masked] (Shannon Hendrix) wrote:

Shannon> The IDE interface is not good for multiple drives but most of
Shannon> my accesses come from one drive.  IDE is 16-bits, SCSI is 8
Shannon> so unless you have multple drives and put them under a severe
Shannon> load, the Sun's I use are slightly slower (a lot slower in
Shannon> some cases).

Don't confuse the disk <-> controller speed with the controller <->
memory/cpu speed.

I believe that IDE is *1* bit at a time between the controller and
disk.

SCSI is 8 bits at a time.

IDE is 16 bits at a time between the controller and memory/cpu.

SCSI depends on the controller (my controller transfers 32 bits at a
time between the controller and memory).

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From: [email-masked] (Hamish Macdonald)
Subject: Re: Login USERID length bug?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 21:24:31 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Sep 1994 09:20:37 EST,
>>>>> In message <[email-masked]>,
>>>>> [email-masked] (Andries Brouwer) wrote:

Andries> On the other hand, I have seen several sites (the Univ. of
Andries> Waterloo, *.uwaterloo.ca, comes to mind), that use longer
Andries> login names.

That's on machines where MFCF had full source to BSD 4.x and SunOS 3.x
(maybe 4.x also?) and changed *everything* to understand the larger
size.  This was quite a while ago.

I believe that very few machines at UofW are running those operating
systems anymore, so most of them are stuck at 8 characters now (since
around 1989-1991 probably).

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From: [email-masked] (David Engel)
Subject: Re: -fPIC flag in gcc
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 22:11:00 GMT

Carl Karlsson ([email-masked]) wrote:
: It seems that a DLL have to be self-contained. I know the obvious answer
: to this question - rearrange the libraries - but since that is a little
: bit of too much work, I would like to know if there's another way out.

Yes, Linux DLL libraries have to be self-contained.  However, there is
nothing to prevent you from combining two or more mutually dependent
libraries into a single image.  Libc has been done this way for a long
time and I believe libgr is also a combination library.

David
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From: [email-masked] (Vassili Leonov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem
Date: 13 Sep 1994 20:29:07 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:

:I'm running Linux 1.1.49 and attempting to configure it as a router between my 
:local Ethernet and my Internet provider. I've posted on this before but maybe I 
if you just have an ethernet network and one box on it is connected
 to an Internet provider (you used some bad language like M#%&@$@ft there - 
 so I'm not quite sure)
then you need two things to do it proper:
- make sure your kernel on SLIP/PPP machine is configured as ROUTING
  packets (make config)
- make sure that other machines have 

route add default gw your_slip_hostname metric 1

somewhere in their rc.inet1

Sooo.... It's basic networking - why blame Linux on that... Read some
good books on that though.... Has nothing to do with Linux development...

Vassili.

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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Kulig)
Subject: Latest Linux Revision
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:26:44 GMT

What are the benefits of the Latest and greatest Linux version?

What are my benefits from moving from my 1.0????

What version is at??

What are the Pitfalls???? Or shall I say unwanted "features"?

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From: [email-masked] (Joerg Schneider)
Subject: Re: IDEA: Energy saving features for harddisks
Date: 13 Sep 1994 07:39:51 GMT

Christer Weinigel ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi,

:   Is there anybody working on energy saving features for Linux?
: More specifically, has anyone tried to use the "power-off" features
: found in most IDE and SCSI disks.
...
:   If nobody else is working on this, I'd be interested in trying to
: implement this myself, the problem is that I'm not really sure of
: where to begin, so any pointers would be appreciated.

good idea. 

Due to syncing and swapping this feature will be most useful for a
seldomly used disk which is perhaps auto-(un)-mounted. I have such a
beast which makes quite annoying noise, so mainly for that reason I
would appreciate a "power save" feature :-).

: blubbering_about_ideas(TRUE)
:     I should probably try to implement an IOCTL in the
:   scsi disk or IDE disk code, which sets the "sleep timeout" for a device.
:   Turning off a disk is (almost?) trivial, but when am I supposed to activate
:   the drive again? Should I implement a function "activate_if_stopped(dev)"
:   which would be called from just about every other function in the disk
:   code or should I activate the disk when a command returns a NOT_READY
:   error.

As far as I know a disk in sleep (or whatever you call it) mode starts
up automatically if you use it (perhaps we need a longer time out for
this case).

: blubbering_about_ideas(FALSE)

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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Kulig)
Subject: SCO on Linux
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:31:44 GMT

Is it true that you can run SCO based programs under Linux?

If so how???

Timothy Kulig

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From: [email-masked] (Warwick Allison)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Help with development using vi.
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:15:07 GMT

[email-masked] (Olli Vinberg) writes:

>Get a better vi. nvi from ftp.cs.berkeley.edu (if I remember the
>address correctly) is a much better vi than elvis. (And let's you
>cut&paste under X, which is the exact reason why I dumped elvis)

I don't understand.  Cut-and-paste under X is provided by XTerm,
not by the editor running in the XTerm.  Any editor can be used
and you will get cut-and-paste.  I use it all the time under Unix.

BTW, a neat trick is to add a paste button to xterm:

*VT100.translations: #override\
        <Key>Insert: insert-selection(PRIMARY,CUT_BUFFER0)\n

(to .Xdefaults)

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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Kulig)
Subject: 1 Gig Hard Drives
Date: 13 Sep 1994 02:38:34 GMT

1 Gig Hard Drive. I want to install one, but I fear this 1024 Paramater
problem I've heard about, What hard Drive with ! gig of space does not
have this problem? I ask development in the hope that this was a bug fix,
and hopefully you all will know about it.

Thanx.

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