Subject: Linux-Development Digest #233
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 08:13:20 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #233, Volume #2         Tue, 27 Sep 94 08:13:20 EDT

Contents:
  Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development (Alan Hightower)
  ISODE (Aleph One)
  Re: Ftape bombs my system with 66MHz CPU (Ulf Griesmann)
  people using SCSI-IN2000 driver, please read this (Stefan Markgraf)
  Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Frank van Maarseveen)
  Adaptec AHA-2842VL driver ... (Bryan Jon Smith)
  Re: Don't use Linux?! (Lutz Behnke HiWi)
  Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Kevin Martinez)
  Re: HDD Controller Question (Carlos Dominguez)
  Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Martin Oldfield)
  Re: What user interface to use??? (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Special Sale On QNX! (Jeff Kesselman)
  elf benchmarks (getting closer) (John Richardson)
  Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development (Alan Cox)

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From: ahightow@comp..uark.edu (Alan Hightower)
Subject: Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development
Date: 27 Sep 1994 02:28:17 GMT

[email-masked] (Albert D. Cahalan) writes:

>In article <wpp.780578439@marie> [email-masked] (Kai Petzke) writes:
>   [email-masked] (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm) writes:

>   >possible to automagically mount the floppy only when it is accessed. I
>   >mean that you don't have  to have it mounted before  you access it  so
>   >when you try to access it the system checks if it is mounted and if it
>   >isn't it  gets mounted. If there's   no disk in  it you  get a flaming
>   >error.

>   That sounds like a good idea.  Actually, the NFS automounter works
>   that way.  Can it be changed to handle floppy mounts as well?

>Also unmount after 90 seconds of inactivity or when all files are closed.

   Noway!  It's already been said and repeatedly confirmed that the DCL
will work for disks removed... simple, when someone cd's into /floppy or
something (maybe /flop0 etc..) simply automount this disk...  don't do
anything till the DCL changes (e.g. disk eject) then umount it.

Alan.

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From: [email-masked] (Aleph One)
Subject: ISODE
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 01:21:03 GMT

I'am about to try to port the ISODE v7.0 package to linux.. (i should 
really say try to). In any case i was wondering if anyone has doen this 
already as i dont like to do things other people have done. Thanx.

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From: [email-masked] (Ulf Griesmann)
Subject: Re: Ftape bombs my system with 66MHz CPU
Date: 27 Sep 1994 03:31:06 GMT

Alberto Vignani ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Has anybody some experience of running ftape with DX2-66 CPUs? AMD
: CPUs?

Yes, I am using ftape on a machine with AMD DX2-66. No problems.

Cheerio,
    Ulf

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From: [email-masked] (Stefan Markgraf)
Subject: people using SCSI-IN2000 driver, please read this
Date: 26 Sep 1994 16:33:15 GMT

Hi!

Is anybody able to fix the problem with the in2000 driver?
Sometimes while swapping (to a swap-partition) the driver crashes. 
No read/writes are possible and therefore every process begins to hang 
when it needs access to the disk. The HD light burns constantly.

Console switching (during the driver crash) is possible as long as
Xfree do not use the disk or when working at a plain text console.
However, each console begins to hang as soon as a process needs disk access
(e.g. excuting a new command)

"ping" from other machines result in "<hostname> is alive."

My in2000-bios version is 1.03, the hardware-version is 27 (bootup message)
kernel is 1.1.50 with 16 MB, 17 MB swap-space on a swap partition. I use 
the newest version of the in2000.c. 
(My memory "upgrade" 8->16 MB has shown, that the driver crashing occurs 
more seldom --- this is a result of fewer swapping requests, I suppose).

I HAVE READ THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE USING THE IN2000 DRIVER WITHOUT
PROBLEMS.  PERHAPS WE CAN FIND OUT THE BIOS- AND HARDWARE-VERSIONS
WHICH WORK AND WHICH DO NOT WORK. PLEASE POST (OR SEND ME MAIL) YOUR
CONFIGURATION (KERNEL, RAM, SWAP-TYPE AND SPACE, HARDDRIVE) AND
IN2000-VERSION HERE.  PLEASE WRITE IF CRASHING OCCURS OR NOT.

Perhaps we can fix this nasty bug.

Another question: Perhaps one of the gurus can post us how to set up
the in2000 driver for intelligent debugging. I tried to set "#define DEBUG" in
in2000.c, redirected kernel-errors/debug/crit-messages of the syslogd to
/dev/console and recompiled the kernel. However there are so many
messages, that I cannot bootup again. 

Okidoki,
        Stefan.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
From: [email-masked] (Frank van Maarseveen)
Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:34:13 GMT

I saw a posting in comp.os.solaris recently about assigning multiple
IP addresses to the same adapter! (on a SparcStation with Solaris 2.x)

This was done in order to route something across the same physical network
without the need for an extra adapter. The second "virtual" adapter was
referred to as le0:1, the ":1" part appended to the original adapter name.
Though a bit unusual, there's nothing wrong with this I think.
I suppose there are no plans yet for implementing this feature in linux.

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From: [email-masked] (Bryan Jon Smith)
Subject: Adaptec AHA-2842VL driver ...
Date: 26 Sep 1994 12:57:55 -0400

        Is there a AHA-2842VL driver available for Linux?  Is so where 
can I get it?  Also, are their any distributions that already come with it?
Thankx ...

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From: [email-masked] (Lutz Behnke HiWi)
Subject: Re: Don't use Linux?!
Date: 26 Sep 1994 16:38:02 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Kay Hamacher) writes:
|> In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Lutz Behnke HiWi) writes:
|> |> In article <[email-masked]>, Kevin Martinez <[email-masked]> writes:
|> |> |> [email-masked] (Michael Schumacher) writes:
|> |> [some other burdened comments about software-support deleted]
|> |> I see a rather simple answer to this problem of not enough support.
|> |> (If there is one)
|> 
|> |> Wy not have a list of people willing to give tech-support for each country
|> |> included in every CD-ROM arcive.
|> |> This is the way Richard Stallman envisioned the support for GPL products.
|> |> I am a student in one of the two major comercial centers of Germany, so 
|> (Gut, das im Header Hamburg stand, sonst haette ich jetzt lange ueberlegen
|> mussen ;-)
I wuerde mich gern fuer die 'zwei' entschuldigen! Es sind mehr ich weiss!
|> |> would be glad to help any company or private person in need of some
|> |> help installing the Linux package on there PCs. I am pretty shure
|> |> I cost less than the support some companies, I are availiable almost 
|> |> around the clock, and there is no need for the client to understand the
|> |> lingo. That beats MS anytime.
|> An interesting idea ! But there is one thing : You do not buy every 2 months
|> a new CD so you may get very old telephone-numbers and many people may
|> become angry about this. So they will not use this service. And :
|> The manufactures of CD's have a monopoly. They can let you out of a list and
|> you are out (oder auf gut deutsch : Sie lassen Dich am ausgestreckten Arm
|> verrecken). That can happen in very short time as you only have to post
|> something about these firms here or say anything official about it, so they
|> want revenge -> you are out.
Even in the relativly small german market (only about 100 Million potential
german speaking customers =B-) ) there are more than one CD-Vendors.
So if I get thrown of one list for mouthing of against a company (wich 
I wouldn't do in public) another company would keep or take me on their list
The age is a problem. But not if you are giving support for a living!
Then you are interested on a stable address, good reachability, etc.
So these List would be worthwhile (IMHO)
|> Kay
mfg Lutz

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: Kevin Martinez <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 00:47:26 GMT

[email-masked] (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:

>If Linux runs on your Pentium P90 PCI, or you know of a working such,
>I'd appreciate knowing what motherboard did the trick.
>-- 
>Vaughan Pratt                  http://boole.stanford.edu/boole.html

I got a Dell Optiplex 590 that works fine. It has the Intel Neptune 
chipset as far as I can tell. The motherboard is proprietary to Dell and 
wouldn't fit in anything else by the look of it.
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From: [email-masked] (Carlos Dominguez)
Subject: Re: HDD Controller Question
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 04:15:01 GMT

Cary B. Abend ([email-masked]) wrote:

: My question:  I know that IDE cards that support 4 HDD exist and work 
: under DOS (presumably with some kind of BIOS bypass).  Will (or which 
: of) these cards work with Linux?

Cary,

You have the atdisk2 patches, which are meant for *two* IDE controller
cards, not one card with two IDE channels. I own a buslogic BT410A that has
on-board BIOS to goad DOS into accepting up to four drives. Since this
is the development group, perhaps someone out there could look at the
atdisk2 code and perhaps see why it won't work? Maybe re-work some
code so we could get hd1's some day ;-)

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From: [email-masked] (Martin Oldfield)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
Date: 27 Sep 1994 09:04:05 GMT

>>>>> "David" == David S Vickers <[email-masked]> writes:
In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David S. Vickers) writes:

    David> [email-masked] (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
    >> If Linux runs on your Pentium P90 PCI, or you know of a working
    >> such, I'd appreciate knowing what motherboard did the trick.
    >> -- Vaughan Pratt http://boole.stanford.edu/boole.html

    David> I recently built a system for someone with an Intel Plato
    David> P54C motherboard which used the Neptune chipset.  I used an
    David> NCR SCSI controler with a patched kernel (version 1.1.19).
    David> The first motherboard I got had a flakey cache, and
    David> upgrading the BIOS didn't help.  I replaced the
    David> motherboard, and everything has worked flawlessly since.

I've also installed Linux 1.1.49 on a Plato / Neptune board. We had
problems with the original bios (version X.X.3)  but an upgrade (to
X.X.10) solved that. I'm running it with:
        Orchid Kelvin 64 on PCI
        SMC Ultra on ISA
        FD 1650 SCSI on ISA

There's a small problem cleaning up when X shuts down - the text mode
font gets screwed up, but that's probably an X problem.

Cheers,

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: What user interface to use???
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 01:36:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Sergio Fanchiotti <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
>
>>In article <[email-masked]>,
>>Tony Schwartz <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>When do dial into your local ISP using a standard terminal connection, what 
>>>software is used to providet the menuing, ability to do internet functions 
>>>like telnet, ftp, gopher, etc???
>
>>telnet provides telnet.
>>ftp provides ftp
>>gopher provides gopher
>>etc.
>>there is no menuing as such, they axre all command-line driven.
>
>>All these UNIX utilities are designed to be run from the command line.  
>>The menuing systems you might be familiar with are all front ends that 
>>call these programs.
>
>>Oh, and manual pages are veiwed byt typing man.
>>(Type 'man man' for an explaination of how to use the online manual.)
>
>>Welcome to the real world of UNIX.
>> 
>
>
>On the other hand, most of these utilities have been integrated into the 
>World Wide Web protocol and can be accessed via clients. When you are 
>using a terminal one could use Lynx for ftp, telnet connections, gopher
>and much more! Definitively a great tool...
>
>
>       Saludos,
>
>               ...Sergio
>
>
>ps: An as we are in the "real world of UNIX" here is the best thing:
>    You can get the program and docs at ftp2.cc.ukans.edu in pub/lynx 
>
Okay, I was a little snide, and I admit it and apologize.  The point 
hwoever was that when one uses a 'standard terminal connection' (as 
opposed to a SLIP connection) one is entering the raw UNIX domain, which 
can actually be alot mroe powerful (if you considr effeiciency to be a 
form of power) then any fancy graphical front-end.  My other point 
was that this is what all these other things are built on top of, so you 
lose almost nothing but eye-candy, and gain bandwidth.

Jeff Kesselman

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX!
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 01:51:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Rob Janssen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] () writes:
>
>>Why settle for slow and obselete Unix such as UnixWare, Sun Solaris,
>>SCO, Linux or BSD when you can have POWER & RELIABILITY with QNX 4.21!  
>>Stop playing games with these inferior o/s's and switch to QNX today.
>
>Hey come on, a bit more humble announcements would be nice!
>Especially from someone who posts the same article twice in the same
>group.  Done under QNX, I suppose?
>
>Rob
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I doubt anybodyu who posts crap like this actually bothers to read the 
responses, but just to make me feel good, pardon while I indluge myself:

To Florida Datamation:

Hey there. You guys MUST be engineers, 'cause you sure know squat about 
people.  Posting a message saying 'what you are using STINKS, come try 
ours' in a forum dedicated to fans of said product is truely stupid 
marketing.  All it does is gain you nasty looks and bad feelings from 
exactly the people you are trying to see to.

As an example, I've considered QNX a couple of times for real-time 
control projects, but your obvious lack of understanding of the community 
has certainly given me pause as to how much you understand about UNIX.  
Your sweeping claims make me doubt the mroe reasonable claims I've 
heard.  (Oh, and the fact that you are in FL doesn't hep either, I'm 
afraid.  I've lived in FL and know about the overal business ethics 
environment...)

I think Ill examine it ALOT closer before I start seriously considering it 
for future projects.

Have a nice day.

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From: [email-masked] (John Richardson)
Subject: elf benchmarks (getting closer)
Date: 25 Sep 1994 03:50:45 GMT

As a quick followup to my very unscientific benchmark: 
 
The with the latest gcc (23-Sept) and the 4.6.11 elf libraries,  
elf narrows the time gap to about a 3.5% difference using the qsort() test.

Intel 486DX2/66, 16 meg RAM, linux 1.1.51
 
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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:21:52 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Holland) writes:
>I additionally think it's not reasonable to force the user to look up
>the filesystem type and issue a mount command before reading from the
>disk. Floppies should mount themselves (like on Macs and Amigas) to
>the greatest extent possible given the hardware.

Install amd. That will happily do the job. As to identifying file system
types thats also a ten line user program.

Alan
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