Subject: Linux-Development Digest #281
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 19:13:06 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #281, Volume #2          Sat, 8 Oct 94 19:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  floppy: Can we add another "standard" floppy type? (Kaz Sasayama)
  dump/restore backup program? (Roger C. Pao)
  Re: PCMCIA with driver won't work (Roger C. Pao)
  Linux a part of GNU gnow? (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
  Re: 3c503 problem (Greg Bruell)
  Re: Improving SLIP latency under Linux (John Richardson)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree ("Eric Jeschke")
  Re: Unable to find XF86-3.1-lib.tar.gz with correct sum. (Matti Aarnio)
  PROBLEM: Pentium-66 & Kernel (Carlo Hamalainen)
  Re: [Bug?] S3 805 Only In 80x25 (Carlo Hamalainen)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Albert Hui)
  Re: What GUI to write for? (Terry Lambert)
  Re: What GUI to write for? (Miles Bader)
  Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Re: Xfree 3.1 and SPEA MirageP64 (Linux) (Norbert Distler)
  Re: Linux For Mac  :( (Myles Williams)
  Re: BSD/386 vs. Linux Performance (William Seppeler)

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From: [email-masked] (Kaz Sasayama)
Subject: floppy: Can we add another "standard" floppy type?
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:42:17 GMT

There is an obsolescent but "standard" 5.25 (and 3.5 if hardware
supports) 2HD DOS format in Japan.  Can we add its support into the
kernel?

FYI, the following set of params has proved to work with the format
from a couple of tests on kernel 1.1.49:

     2464 16 2 77 0 0x35 0x08 0xDF 0x74
-- 
Kaz Sasayama, a Nagoyan X68000 user.
  -- "May the source be with you!"

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From: [email-masked] (Roger C. Pao)
Subject: dump/restore backup program?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:30:40 GMT

I heard there was work on porting dump & restore to Linux.  Any idea
where I might get a copy to test?

rp94
-- 
Roger C. Pao <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Roger C. Pao)
Subject: Re: PCMCIA with driver won't work
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:00:20 GMT

[email-masked] (Mark Steele) writes:

>I am using a toshiba 1910 with a megahertz pcmcia modem.  I downloaded the 
>set of drivers (pcmcia-2.2), upgraded my kernel to 1.1.49, and installed the
>new module utilites.

>When I start the machine, the card manager is started.  It finds the modem,
>and creates the symbolic link to /dev/modem.  However, if i try to access it, 
>through seyon, minicom, or using echo atd > /dev/modem, all I hear are clicks
>from the speaker.  I can get any response from the modem (no OK, no ERROR).  If
>anyone has any better luck or clues, I would appreciate it.

I'm not using the MHz modem, but I don't think that's important since they
use the same driver.  Try 'cu -l /dev/modem'.  I'm using a New Media 14.4
fax modem if that makes any difference.

rp94
-- 
Roger C. Pao <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Linux a part of GNU gnow?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:41:02 GMT

What GNU Tutorials would you attend?                      No responses
[email-masked]                                    Richard Stallman

We are thinking of having a GNU technical seminar in Cambridge,
Massachusetts next April or May.  One day will be a series of talks,
mostly technical overviews; the following day we are thinking of
having tutorials.  Tentatively we plan to charge $300 for the day of
talks, and $180 for each half day tutorial (students 1/4 price).
(These prices may change; consider them order-of-magnitude estimates.)
The funds raised, beyond the cost of the seminar itself, will go to
support GNU development.

To plan the tutorials, we need to find out what tutorial topics people
are interested in.  Here are the topics we are thinking about.

* Emacs Lisp programming.
* Advanced Emacs editing.
* Hurd programming.
* Using GNU Make, Bison, and Flex.
* Writing documentation in Texinfo.
* The Linux kernel.                          <====== !!!!
* Using Autoconf to write portable programs.
* Porting GCC.

If you think you would actually attend one or more of these tutorials,
please send mail to [email-masked] and tell us which
ones.  We'll use the response to figure out which tutorials to offer,
and how to schedule them.

        What happened to HURD?
        Is Linux now THE kernel supported by GNU?
        What's Gnowing Gon Gnow?
        Have I been asleep?

        I'm so confused......
                - Mark

--
"Linux!     Guerrilla UNIX Development     Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus."
============================================================
Mark A. Horton       ka4ybr           [email-masked]
P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747   [email-masked]
+1.404.371.0291 : 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W    [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Greg Bruell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: 3c503 problem
Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:28:58 GMT

I'm seeing the same problem with:
 1.1.51, P60

I've checked /var/adm/notice and /proc/net/dev and there is no
further information. I gave a quick glance at the driver and it
doesn't look like it logs much. I'm using the internal transciever.
The card and drop have been independently verified as functional.
Is anyone else seeing this with 1.1.?? ?

Gregory Bruell
Wellfleet Communications, Inc.

Donald Becker ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, Davyd Luque <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >I've an 386 with ASTFOURPORTS, Adaptec SCSI, IDE controller & standard RS, and
: >a 3c503 ethernet card.
: >
: >boot info:
: >
: >     3c503 probe at 0x300: 02 60 8C 3F 60 6A
: >     eth0: 3C503 with shared memory at 0xdc000-0xddfff,

: >eth0      Link encap 10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 02:60:8C:3F:60:6A
: ...
: >          RX packets 0 errors 27 dropped 0 overrun 0
: >          TX packets 20 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0

: Look in /proc/net/dev (and perhaps /usr/adm/messages) for the specific type
: of error you are getting.

: Are you connected to the net by the internal transceiver (the default under
: Linux) or an external transceiver?  That's often the cause of problems with
: the 3c503.

: -- 
: Donald Becker                                   [email-masked]
: USRA-CESDIS, Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
: Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center,  Greenbelt, MD.  20771
: 301-286-0882       http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html

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From: [email-masked] (John Richardson)
Subject: Re: Improving SLIP latency under Linux
Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:22:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
John Richardson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Ah, I have a (sigh) Supra FAXmodem 14.4 (internal).  This has an
>internal 2k recieve buffer, I don't know of any way to turn it off
>though.

supra informs me that you can't turn this off.

>
>Anyway, in some more non-scientific testing, my patch brought
>ping times from 2000ms to 450ms during ftp sesions.
>

Drat.  It looks like it was just a high load on the remote 
machine which brought down the ping times (with a TOS low
delay modified ping).  So, it looks like I'm back to square one.
I'm thinking of testing winsock to see if this happens under
windows too.

>Is anyone using a standard kernel with SLIP and finding interactive
>response to be OK while downloading?  
>

This question still stands.

--
John Richardson
[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: "Eric Jeschke" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:32:32 -0500

[snip, snip]
:>Some ideas along this line that I've thought about:
:>
:>1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
:>be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,
:>I know).  

:I don't think this is too hard, and it is a good idea.  
: 

Hmmm, something along the lines of editres or viewres?  These come
with the standard X distribution.  Check them out.  They have the
option of writing your choices to file.

:>3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment features a "console
:>bar" area at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons to switch
:>virtual desktops, invocation icons for commonly-used apps, small icons
:>for system functions (logging out...), and space for a clock,
:>calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff.  

:Again, GREAT -- along with what you can do with .xinitrc, can do this.  There
:is also another program out there that does things like this.  Can't 
:remember the name, but check them out as they show up. 

Also, fwvm pager + modules do most of these things.  

:Much of your suggestions are really already available, and I don't see any
:interest in somehow standardizing them.  Making such bells&whistles available
:is one thing, making them ubiquitous is another.  Don't just assume that,
:if it isn't in slackware, it's not available.

If there was a default "standard" GUI available on most distributions
it would be possible to write a introduction to Linux (a la Welch)
from a GUI perspective.  Whether this is a good idea or not depends on
your ideas about how to teach Unix.  IMHO, I think you can wean newbies
off of the mainstream PC OSes more easily with a good GUI and then let
them gradually cut their teeth with more and more command-line.

In short, I think the original poster's idea is good, but he should
definitely look around first and consolidate as much "good stuff" that
is already available as possible.  It might be a good idea to make a
GUI "mini-distribution" (package) that just contains a standardized
GUI setup (GREAT + fvwm + customized *rc files + selected GUI apps).

My .02c

-- 
Eric Jeschke                      |          Indiana University
[email-masked]            |     Computer Science Department

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From: [email-masked] (Matti Aarnio)
Subject: Re: Unable to find XF86-3.1-lib.tar.gz with correct sum.
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:53:35 GMT

[email-masked] (Kevin Ruland) writes:
>I've searched the world over to find the X11R6 libs and can't find one
>with the correct checksum.  gunzip even pukes on it.  It seems okay
>up to ./lib/libX11.so.6
>
>I've tried the following sites:
>
>x.physics.su.oz.au
>xfree86.cdrom.com
>sunsite.unc.edu
>ftp.xfree86.org
>tsx-11.mit.edu
>
>Were's the good one.

        The new updated version (good one) is at  ftp.xfree86.org, and
        at least on ftp.funet.fi -- propably an all the mirrors soon.

        There was a truncated version...

>Kevin Ruland
>[email-masked]

        /Matti Aarnio   <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Carlo Hamalainen)
Subject: PROBLEM: Pentium-66 & Kernel
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:20:26 GMT

Hello All,
         I've been having alot of problems with recompiling a new kernel
with my Pentium-66. 

Computer Details: P5-66, 16 Mb RAM, PCI S3 Vision864, serial and paralel and
IDE onboard, 520 Mb IDE (and a 260 IDE).

Software: Slackware 1.2.0, gcc 2.5.8 with 486 optimizations.

Here's a copy of the post I made to comp.os.linux.help a bit earlier:

===== Post starts here =====

(1) When I fdisk my new 520 Mb IDE drive, i get this:

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1060.
This is larger than 1024, and may cause problems with some software.
 
What does this mean? 

(2) I've been having LOTS of problems with compiling the kernel. I've got
Slackware 1.2.0, and have been trying to compile to 1.1.45. Even 1.0 doesn't
compile. This is what I just got with 1.1.45:

{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:3103: Error: no such 386 instruction: `j'
make[3]: *** [de620.o] Error 1

Why is this so? Another thing: The file that it has problems with changed
each time I re-try (with the same config). This is a clean installation. I
*HAVEN'T* done anything with the pentium-gcc yet.

(3) Even doing a "make config" does strange things. A couple of times it
just stopped after setting up the sound driver (got a SB PRO 2). I didn't
get that message telling me to do a "make dep" and all that. With the above
problem, it made it through the whole setup OK. A couple of times in the
sound setup, it DIDN'T ask me for the base IO address for my SB either....

It seems to look OK with 1.1.45, but any previous version thinks it's
finished after the kernel, but goes onto the sound bit, and makes a mess of
things.

(4) Has anyone else had these problems and fixed them?

Thanks in advance....(I need an answer V.Soon coz I need to recompile the
kernel for XFree-86 3.1 so I can use my PCI S3 which has a Vision864...)

Thanks again.....

-- Carlo Hamalainen

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From: [email-masked] (Carlo Hamalainen)
Subject: Re: [Bug?] S3 805 Only In 80x25
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:23:52 GMT

S L Herbert ([email-masked]) wrote:
: A friend of mine recently bought a no-name video card which has the S3 805
: chipset.  He is unable to change the text-mode on boot-up from 80x25, with
: the Linux 1.1.50 kernel.  

I've just bought an "ExpertColour" (or something like that) PCI S3 video
card, that uses a Vision864 chipset. Only works in 80x25, or one other
(forgot).

Anyone know what's happening??

-- Carlo Hamalainen

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From: [email-masked] (Albert Hui)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: 8 Oct 1994 15:50:39 GMT

[email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
>>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Wilson <[email-masked]> writes:
>  1. A Null box.  i.e. Something that can be used to mark areas for
>     xload, xbiff, and icons even when they aren't present, but as
>     far as the window manager is conserned don't exist.
Not sure what you mean.  Does the Fvwm module Icon Manager do that?
Is the "IconBox" param in .fvwmrc what you want?

>  2. Auto-resume from last session.  i.e.  Each time I end-up opening
>     several xterms in one screen, emacs somewhere else, Mosaic, ...
>     if fvwm could remember what I had running when I quit and ask
>     me to restart them again, it would be quite a timesaver.
The FvwmSave module is supposed to do this.  I recommend the much
smarter xtoolplaces, part of olvwm.

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From: [email-masked] (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
Date: 7 Oct 1994 06:06:41 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Michael Turner) writes:
] Properly speaking (as I understand it) Motif is not a GUI software
] package per se, but a style prescription.  Anything that gets you
] the look and feel of Motif IS Motif, in this view of things.
] 
] Is this view of things dead, in effect?
] 
] Is there no other Motif implementation than OSF?

1)      There is not Motif implementation other than OSF/Motif as yet.

2)      Motif isn't any "thing"; Motif, Open Software Foundation, OSF,
        the OSF logo, OSF/1 and OSF/Motif are trademarks of the Open
        Software Foundation, Inc. (according to the OSF/Motif manual
        set I have).

3)      There are several levels of compliance.  There's compliance
        with the Style Guide.  This is self-labeled and checkboxed by
        OSF.

4)      There's the API.  Nobody but OSF has one of these.

5)      There's the window manager.  Nobody but OSF has one of these.

More info available from the OSF directly (like the $3,000,000 one year,
one binary royalty buy-out price).

                                        Terry Lambert
                                        [email-masked]
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Miles Bader)
Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:11:48 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Christian Moen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>When you say Motif doesn't have it's own feel, you're right to a
>certain extent; both Mickeysoft Windows and OS/2 Presentation Manager
>use the CUA as a foundation for their user interface as well. Motif
>doesn't have it's own proprietary feel, right, but the authours didn't
>forget to make one, as you seem to suggest. Proprietary feels are
>generally bad.

Perhaps so, but motif's (and windows') feel is *certainly* bad...  I'd rather
take my chances with `generally' any day!

-Miles
-- 
-- 
Miles Bader / [email-masked] / (206) 842-7219
`Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:59:31 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Hugh Strong) writes:
>sneered at ext2fs, presumably because of the considerations FFS makes for
>drive geometry and rotational parameters, which  seem to be absent in the

It seems to me that drive geometry and rotational parameters are somewhat
outdated concepts with modern drives.

-- 

Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Norbert Distler)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Xfree 3.1 and SPEA MirageP64 (Linux)
Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:00:25 GMT

[email-masked] (Christoph Martin) writes:

>README.S3 (in XF86-3.1-doc.tar.gz) says:

>>1 - Supported hardware
>>----------------------
>>
>>  ...
>>
>>S3 864, 20C498 RAMDAC, ICS2595 Clockchip
>>                SPEA MirageP64 2MB DRAM
>>
>>                        8 and 15/16 bpp
>>
>>                        ClockChip "ICS2595"

>I tried this in my XF86Config file. Die card ist probed correctly as
>S3 864 with 20C486 RAMDAC. But the server can't set the clockchip.

>What is the problem? Is it the right ClockChip statement? Has anyone
>this card running with XFree 3.1?

README.S3 also says:

Clockchip support is only preliminary and
on some machines problems with the first
mode after startup of XF86_S3 or after 
switching back from VT have been seen; 
switching to next mode with CTRL+ALT+'+'
and back seems to solve this problem

Did you already try this? If it still doesn't work, could you please
email me the output of your startup sequence, your configuration and
your XF86Config?

    Norbert

--

================================================================================

Norbert Distler - [email-masked] - [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Myles Williams)
Subject: Re: Linux For Mac  :(
Date: 8 Oct 1994 12:51:39 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Gary J LaPointe <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Lewis admits that finding spare time is a problem. However he said
>this week: "Our biggest problem besides time right now is that the
>Power Mac I/O stuff is a proprietary technology, and Apple's not
>telling." He adds that they are trying to "cajole" the necessary
>information from Apple and are also looking at how to reverse
>engineer the chip.

What's this?  I thought I read in a newspaper that the Power Mac was going to
be an open system, fully documented by Apple.

Will they never learn?

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From: [email-masked] (William Seppeler)
Subject: Re: BSD/386 vs. Linux Performance
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:20:13 GMT

Better yet, is there a good FAQ or something that talks of the merits
of each.  I too would be very interested in an intelligent comparison.

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