Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #700
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:13:23 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #700, Volume #2                 Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:13:23 EDT

Contents:
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: Mosaic on Linux (Wessel du Preez)
  Re: Bink for UNIX (Kamil Kukura)
  Re: Application to format/read/write Macintosh Disks (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
  Re: ObjectCenter. What is it ? (John Prewett)
  Re: APC UPS Software/powerd (Bill Broadley)
  Linux counter: There are 7423 registered Linux users ([email-masked])
  Re: X-based Sound editor? (Martin.Kraemer)
  Re: Does Linux really benefit from video cards? ([email-masked])
  Re: Bink for UNIX (Louis Lagendijk)
  Re: Linux BBS Software (Dougal Campbell)
  Is dialog vt100 compatible? (yuan tzeng)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Dan Marner)
  Re: 16550AFN serial card (Andre Fachat)
  Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have? (Elan Feingold)

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: [email-masked] (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:54:47 GMT

Thomas Tonino ([email-masked]) wrote:
: As regarding the making availabele of a 'copy to illegaly copy'
: wordperfect for Linux on Sunsite, I might want to call to your
: attention that in the past Wordperfect Netherlands approach to
: piracy has been something like 'It helps us sell'....

: So... maybe it would be a good idea... but it should look less official I think.

I would have my doubts whether Novell-Wordperfect Inc. still has
this attitude.  Why don't you try?  (But I would recommend a VERY good
legal insurance policy first.)

--
                        +--------------------------------------------+
Martin Sohnius          | "It doesn't matter whether the cat is      |
Novell Labs Europe      |  black or white, as long as it catches     |
Bracknell, England      |  mice."      - Deng Xiaoping               |
+44-1344-724031          +--------------------------------------------+
                        (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)

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From: [email-masked] (Wessel du Preez)
Subject: Re: Mosaic on Linux
Date: 01 Sep 1994 16:43:46 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Wessel du Preez)

>"Jae" == Jae W Chang <[email-masked]> writes:

Jae> Setting the default home doc is done through X Resources i.e.
Jae> .Xresources or .Xdefaults for example.

That, and also (preferably) in $XUSERFILESEARCHPATH/Mosaic. Same
stuff, but putting it in its own file keeps .Xdefaults (or whatever)
short. By helping programs avoid reading stuff in resource files that
they would just ignore anyway, improves startup time of all X
clients. (I think more thorough explanation can be found in the X or
Speeding up X FAQs)
-- 
| Wessel du Preez                 email:  [email-masked]           |
| Aerotek, CSIR                   phone:  +27 12 841 2807                  |
| South Africa                      fax:  +27 12 86 8803 (for my attention)|
+---------------------------  My opinion only  ----------------------------+

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From: [email-masked] (Kamil Kukura)
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.misc,de.comp.os.linux,fr.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Bink for UNIX
Date: 2 Sep 1994 06:55:24 GMT

: Where can I find BinkleyTerm for UNIX ? What is the current version ?

BinkleyTerm for Linux is freely available from well-known linux archive
sites.

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From: [email-masked] (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
Subject: Re: Application to format/read/write Macintosh Disks
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 22:55:07 GMT

: 19:14:48 luna: ~/SRC/hfs0_3$ ./hfs ls /dev/fd0H1440
: error: cannot open the device "a:" for use as a Macintosh volume 

        hfs needs to be suid root.
(I think it needs write permission to the drive)

-Sam

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From: [email-masked] (John Prewett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: ObjectCenter. What is it ?
Date: 1 Sep 1994 12:11:25 -0400

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jim Frost) writes:

>[email-masked] (Jie Sun) writes:
>>you know as well as i do that in the pcmarket compatibility is rule;
>>whereas in the workstation market it's exception.

>You should tell that to the Solaris 2 and BSDI teams.  Ask them just
>how "compatible" most of the PC hardware they have to deal with is.
>Or read any of the technical newsgroups and see just how many people
>have motherboard X and I/O card Y and video driver Z and can't get
>such-and-such to work with it.

>I find it hard to call the market "compatible" when there are a dozen
>"standards" for every little piece.  Sometimes they all work well
>together, sometimes they don't.  The competition makes the hardware
>cheaper, but there is a price that's paid.

>If the damn stuff were that compatible we wouldn't have long "hardware
>compatibility lists" would we?

>jim frost
>[email-masked]

Yes, Mr. Frost, but then again, when my company purchased your
product, we were running Solaris 2.3 and when we called for
technical support, we were told that there (at the time) was no
certified version of your product for that version of the OS.
That made me feel that PC hardware compatibility was an easy
thing to deal with, when faced with the quagmire of the *IX
world.  Presumably, Solaris 2.3 wasn't on your "software compatibility 
lists" ?

John Prewett -  speaking for myself - as always
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Broadley)
Subject: Re: APC UPS Software/powerd
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 00:18:24 GMT

: The smart mode if the APC is proprietary; you an get the programming
: information, but only if you sign a non-disclosure agreement (meaning you
: can't distribute the result or tell anyone else how to write their own).

I followed this thread along these lines before...  conclusion was if you 
want a slick interface to a ups with lots of added functionality pay 
for a premium unit like the best.  But don't expect the same price/performance.

Anyone out there have a 486/586 star complaint computer and monitor?
Any idea how many watts it takes sleeping?  Compatible with linux?

The idea of a 17" monitor and a 486/66 lasting hours on a 400 or 600VA
ups is kind of intriguing.

--
Bill Broadley           [email-masked]           UCD Math Sys-Admin
Linux is great.         Bike to live, live to bike.                     PGP-ok

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Linux counter: There are 7423 registered Linux users
Date: 1 Sep 1994 03:00:05 +0200

This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.misc

An uptodate version is always available by anonymous FTP from
ftp://aun.uninett.no/pub/misc/linux-counter, together with other
reports based on the same material.

To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
[email-masked], with the SUBJECT line being one of

  I use Linux at home
  I use Linux at work
  I use Linux at school

The reply will contain information about how to register more
information about yourself, your machine and your friends, if you
want to.

If you can't do FTP, you can get the reports by sending the counter
an E-mail containing in the BODY one of the lines

//REPORT short
//REPORT persons
//REPORT machines
//HELP

Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter,
[email-masked]

Good luck!

=================================================================
Status of the Linux counter, as of Thu Sep  1 00:02:45 MET DST 1994

There are 7423 registered Linux users

I estimate this as being between 0.2 and 5% of the total number of Linux users,
giving the total community size something between 148.460 and 3.711.500 members.

See the file README.ESTIMATES for the details of why I think so.

PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
==========================
 Self Other   Sum %Sum  Place
 5613    76  5689  76% home
 1786    42  1828  24% work
  201   510   711   9% school
  546    52   598   7% somewhere
   57     0    57   0% not used
==========================
 6808   672  7480 100% TOTAL

NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not
the sum of the columns.

COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED
=============================
      Country                    Self Other   Sum  MPop Linux/M
===============================================================
 1 is Iceland                      12     0    12     0.3  47.2
 2 fi Finland                     217     0   217     5.0  43.4
 3 no Norway                      136     0   136     4.3  31.7
 4 dk Denmark                     100     1   101     5.1  19.6
 5 nl Netherlands                 290     0   290    14.9  19.5
 6 se Sweden                      153     2   155     8.6  17.8
 7 au Australia                   253     4   257    17.1  14.8
 8 de Germany                    1009    11  1020    79.1  12.8
 9 ca Canada                      324    17   341    26.6  12.2
10 at Austria                      92    11   103     7.6  12.1
11 us USA                        2812    52  2864   249.6  11.3
12 ch Switzerland                  72     0    72     6.7  10.7
13 si Slovenia                     18     1    19     2.0   9.2
14 gb Great Britain               380     8   388    57.2   6.6
15 ie Ireland                      22     0    22     3.5   6.3
16 nz New Zealand                  19     2    21     3.4   5.6
17 be Belgium                      54   506   560     9.9   5.5
18 lu Luxembourg                    2     0     2     0.4   5.1
19 ee Estonia                       8     4    12     1.6   5.0
20 fr France                      240    14   254    56.2   4.3
21 il Israel                       18     0    18     6.3   2.9
22 hk Hong Kong                    16     0    16     5.9   2.7
23 sg Singapore                     6     0     6     2.7   2.2
24 hu Hungary                      16     0    16    10.5   1.5
25 pt Portugal                     15     2    17    10.3   1.5
26 it Italy                        81     0    81    57.7   1.4
27 gr Greece                       13     0    13    10.1   1.3
28 cr Costa Rica                    4     0     4     3.1   1.3
29 hr Croatia                       6     0     6     4.8   1.3
30 za South Africa                 36     0    36    30.2   1.2
31 es Spain                        44     0    44    39.5   1.1
32 cz Czech Rebublic               11     0    11    10.0   1.1
33 cl Chile                        14     0    14    13.5   1.0
34 tw Taiwan                       20     0    20    20.3   1.0
35 jp Japan                        94     0    94   123.3   0.8
36 na Namibia                       1     0     1     1.5   0.7
37 pr Puerto Rico                   2     0     2     3.8   0.5
38 pl Poland                       17     8    25    38.4   0.4
39 sk Slovakia                      2     1     3     5.4   0.4
40 lb Lebanon                       1     0     1     3.6   0.3
41 ro Romania                       6     0     6    23.2   0.3
42 ve Venezuela                     5     0     5    20.1   0.2
43 kr Korea (South)                10     0    10    43.1   0.2
44 ar Argentine                     6     0     6    32.7   0.2
45 my Malaysia                      3     0     3    18.0   0.2
46 ua Ukraine                       6     0     6    51.9   0.1
47 bg Bulgaria                      1     0     1     8.8   0.1
48 su Soviet Union (former)        15     3    18   147.4   0.1
49 by Belarus                       1     0     1    10.4   0.1
50 br Brazil                       15     3    18   158.2   0.1
51 co Colombia                      3     0     3    34.3   0.1
52 mx Mexico                        6     3     9    81.4   0.1
53 cs Czechoslovakia (former)       1     0     1    15.7   0.1
54 th Thailand                      3     0     3    57.6   0.1
55 ph Philippines                   3     0     3    68.5   0.0
56 xe Europe (Somewhere in it)     11     0    11   320.0   0.0
57 tr Turkey                        1     0     1    60.9   0.0
58 in India                         5     0     5   844.0   0.0
59 xx Unknown                      13    19    32  5000.0   0.0
60 xw The World (Somewhere in i     7     0     7  5000.0   0.0

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From: [email-masked] (Martin.Kraemer)
Subject: Re: X-based Sound editor?
Date: 2 Sep 1994 12:24:35 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jason Van Patten ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi -

:       I was wondering if anyone knows of an X-Windows based .wav 
: player/editory/recorder.  Does such an animal exist?

Look for nas-1.2 (NCD Network Audio System), a fancy client/server based
networkable audio system; it comes with `simple' demo-tools to play/modify/
edit/record sounds.

--
#include <std/dsclm.h>       /* SNI SU BS2000 SD124 - Muenchen, W. Germany */
 Martin Kraemer                                   [[email-masked]]
    float o=0.075,h=1.5,T,r,O,l,I;int _,L=80,s=3200;main(){for(;s%L||
    (h-=o,T= -2),s;4 -(r=O*O)<(l=I*I)|++ _==L&&putchar(*((--s%L?_<L?--_
    %6:6:7)+"World! \n"))&&(O=I=l=_=r=0,T+=o /2))O=I*2*O+h,I=l+T-r;}

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Does Linux really benefit from video cards?
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 01:50:42 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pekka J Taipale ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (the stupid one) writes:
: >[email-masked] said:
: >> Yes, the 5428 is a very nice card, support true color, and it gets
: >> 40K xstones on my DX2/66 machine using Xfree 2.0. (about 60% of the
: >> speed of an ATI Ultra Pro)
: >> At 100 dollars, it is probably the best performance for the buck.

: >I've been seeing VL-bus S3 805 based cards going for $85US at the shows.

: And, while we're comparing performance: I've got a VL-bus el cheapo
: no-name S3-805 card in an 486SX-33 and it gets 86K xstones using XFree
: 2.1. I paid 630 FIM for it, so it must be well under $100 in the US.

Not to be nit-picky, but $100 US is currently 125 Canadian. I paid
105 Canadian for the card.

I haven't seen S3 cards in your price range in Canada, but that could be
the function of the market.

The CLDG 5428 does 10 Mb/second raw video IO using SVGALIB applications,
which I am happy with at the moment. I don't believe an ISA card could
do this, no matter what the chipset is, simply because of the ISA
bus overhead.

: 86K xstones seems surprisingly good to me, especially considering that
: 486SX-33 is nowadays pretty lame. Anyone know if this score correlates
: with realistic X video performance? I didn't notice that the S3 server
: would cheat somehow, but don't trust me in that.

: Note: I'm not flaming CL5428 either. They're also good cards for their
: price, and very common, which means good support.
: --
: [email-masked]

Cheers,
        Laszlo Herczeg
     *** Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group (TLUG)  ***

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From: [email-masked] (Louis Lagendijk)
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.misc,de.comp.os.linux,fr.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Bink for UNIX
Date: 2 Sep 1994 13:28:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Kamil Kukura <[email-masked]> wrote:
>: Where can I find BinkleyTerm for UNIX ? What is the current version ?
>
>BinkleyTerm for Linux is freely available from well-known linux archive
>sites.
But that is only an old Atari St version. The 2.60 is still not released
so I can not yet release my patches to make it work (Vince might
even include them in the next public release)
Cheers, Louis
>
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From: [email-masked] (Dougal Campbell)
Subject: Re: Linux BBS Software
Date: 2 Sep 1994 07:55:34 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>, Wayne Hodgen said something like:
> The problem with all the BBS software out there is that it's all run on the
> Internet news/mail services lines. A lot of people (me included) run FIDO
> at home. I have Internet here at work but I can't afford it at home. I just
> spent 4 days installing the latest Slackware, getting dail-ins working and
> trying out 8 BBS packages, none of which I found satisfactory.

> OK, you say, you don't like it, write your own. Well, I'm seriously
> considering it. A student of ours has written a FIDO scanner/tosser. A FIDO
> editor using ncurses and is working on a simple mailer (Binkley is a config
> nightmare). Is anyone already working on a FIDO BBS for Linux? Does anyone
> know if theres Free source examples of how to do such a thing? Who would
> be interested in it?

One of my fellow admins here at interQuest is running a mailing list
for discussion of Linux BBS software.  If you'd like to join, send the
command 'subscribe linux-bbs' in the body of a message to 
[email-masked]'.

-- 
Dougal Campbell          | Check out the interQuest home page:
System Administrator     | http://www.iquest.com/
[email-masked]        | interQuest:  "We can hook you up!"

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From: [email-masked] (yuan tzeng)
Subject: Is dialog vt100 compatible?
Date: 2 Sep 1994 21:01:00 +0800

  I am setting up my Linux machine as a terminal server and
use dialog to write a user interface. After I write one I use
a DOS machine to dialup and login (login shell is that dialog
script). I use both MS-Kermit and Telix to test it. Unfortunately
I find that there seems to be a terminal type compatible problem
(keyboard mapping and screen format/color problem).
So here I ask if anyone know if dialog vt100 compatible?  Or is
there any solution that I can get around this?
  
   Thanks.

--
�O�W�� ���緽  -- Tzeng Ruey Yuan,        an independent network consultant  
Your company (head & all branches) wants to have Internet email? Ask me How.
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Marner)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 2 Sep 1994 00:22:03 -0700

In article <[email-masked]>,
Kevin Brannen <uunet!csfb1!kbrannen> wrote:
>[With UnixWare]  I also get complete and up-to-date man pages (this is
>a real sore spot with me and gives me many negative feelings towards the FSF
>despite the good utilities they produce).
>
    Complete? Well, by some definitions. Novell ships UnixWare without
man source, which renders commands such as 'apropos' not terribly
useful. Note that 'apropos' DOES ship with the system, and, when
asked, Novell says "Yup, it's broken alrighty, nope we aren't gonna
fix it, why aren't you using the Fingertip Librarian?"
    Or did you mean complete as in "all commands have man pages?" Try
"man dfspace." One of many I have encountered without a man page.
    In general, I like UnixWare, I support a dozen or so systems
running it. It definitely has its good points, but the man pages
certainly aren't one of them. IMHO, of course.  

-- 
Dan Marner                             [email-masked]
Network Weasel                         Finger for PGP 2.6 key including the
National University                    words "GMAAAEEAK", "god" and "JAAUUR"

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From: [email-masked] (Andre Fachat)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: 16550AFN serial card
Date: 2 Sep 1994 13:27:58 GMT

Naji M. Khudairi ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : >Does LINUX support any 16550AFN serial card?
: Great, but how do you enable the 16 byte buffer in order to take advantage
: of overrun protection?
Another silly question
Can I just remove the 8250 from an (very) old Serial Card and replace
it with a 16550 to improve serial throughput?

Thanks
Andre

--
Andre Fachat              mail me!             [email-masked]
For some it is MS-Windows, for others it's the longest batch file on earth...

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From: [email-masked] (Elan Feingold)
Subject: Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have?
Date: 2 Sep 1994 13:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Elan Feingold)

> 15 min on a 486dx2 <what i'm upgrading to VERY soon>  And I think even
> considering running X on a 386sx would be a nightmare...  

Nawww... I've been doing serious X development work at home (Frisk, for those
in the know) for months, with a 386/SX16 w/ 8Mb RAM + 24Mb Swap.  Sure, it's
slower than the P90 then I'm hoping to upgrade to in a few months, but with
my S3 video card it has worked fine for me.  Thanks Linus and others!!!

Elan

-- 
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|| Software Engineer II           ||  Berkeley are LSD and Unix. I don't     ||
|| Digital Equipment Corporation  ||  think that is a coincidence."          ||
|| Work: 603.881.1115             ||                       - Anonymous       ||
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