Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #701
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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #701, Volume #2                 Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: X SERVER speed? - Discussion. (Alan Cox)
  Re: Virus checker software for Linux. (David Holland)
  Re: Linus: Leaving for Australia (Roger Spaulding)
  Re: any Linuxers out there using Demon Internet? (David MacRae)
  PCI SCSI problem (Alvaro M. Echevarria)
  Re: If Linux passes X/Open's Spec 1170, will it become a true Unix? (Dylan Smith)
  [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
  Re: Etherwave Cards (Keith Stone)
  Re: Linux BBS Software  (peter hill)
  Re: 16550AFN serial card (Harry C Pulley)
  Re: Application to format/read/write Macin (Marc Fraioli)
  Re: Application to format/read/write Macintosh Disks (Karl Eichwalder)
  Re: vi for dos (Raphael Mankin)
  Re: Whats the best _CHEAP_ ISA video card for Linux/Xfree? (Larry Doolittle)
  defination? (Peter J Drier)
  Re: dBASE for Linux? (Alan Cox)
  Re: survey on S3 videocards with programmable clocks, especially (Robert Manners)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) (Thomas Tonino)

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: X SERVER speed? - Discussion.
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 12:54:05 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Christopher Kuperman) writes:
>       Something has brought the speed of the Linux X server speed to 
>       my attention. When I moved from BSD to Linux, I could swear that
>       the X graphics speed wasn't as good?

Unlikely its the same X server.

>       Hardware I got: Trident 8900cl with 1meg on a 386-40.

Get a video card. Seriously - spend like $50 on a usable video card and
you'll get some sense. Tridents just seem to be _slow_.

>       I have also noticed that some drivers take advantage of people
>       that have more memory on the Trident card, making them faster...
>       possibly a bitmap cache? any views on this (and exploiting it in
>       X).

Download the X server and get hacking. You've got source code, though anyone
who does low level SVGA programming is (IMHO) slightly short of sanity.

Alan
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Subject: Re: Virus checker software for Linux.
From: [email-masked] (David Holland)
Date: 1 Sep 94 18:33:01

[email-masked]'s message of 29 Aug 1994 21:49:44 GMT said:

 > It's true. In order to get a virus to work you have to compile it. 

Nope. Source code viruses are perfectly possible, and have in fact
been demonstrated (though only in a controlled research
environment...)

Besides, a Linux virus could spread in binary form, as we all have the
same binary format and machine architecture.

However, there aren't (yet) any...

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   - David A. Holland          | -- "Do you have a moment?"   -- "Yes.
     [email-masked] | Unfortunately, it's a moment of inertia."

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From: [email-masked] (Roger Spaulding)
Subject: Re: Linus: Leaving for Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 13:43:58 GMT

Linus Torvalds ([email-masked]) wrote:

> This is a quck announcement that the 1.2.0 codefreeze is essentially in
> effect, as I leave for Australia tomorrow. 

        Drink a Fosters for me. :-)

        Roger "Friends don't let friends do DOS" Spaulding 
        Network System Administrator 
        Ramtron International Corporation
        1850 Ramtron Drive 
        Colorado Springs, CO 80921 
        [email-masked]
        (719) 481-7049

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From: [email-masked] (David MacRae)
Subject: Re: any Linuxers out there using Demon Internet?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 13:27:13 +0000

In article: <[email-masked]>  [email-masked] (Benjamin John Walter) 
writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for ayone out there with a Linux box who is also
> connecting to Demon Internet in England... I'd like to talk to

Well, I and a number of other people use Linux boxes to connect to 
Demon Internet although I'm not in England.

(spitting sound effects + ranting and raving about 
colonials not knowing the difference between England and the UK and 
then remembering that technically *those* colonials are better off 
because they have at least got rid of the English Imperialistic yoke 
while the Scots are still suffering under a tory government
then collapse foaming at the mouth while his colleagues call an 
ambualance....).

Anyway,

If you would like to see the set up thht most of use then you can 
download teh configuration docs from 
        ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/linux/demon/......

There are a couple of excellent configuration guides in there written 
by Demon subscribers, that are now rearded as the "bibles" on how to 
connect a Linux machine to demon via both SLIP and PPP.

Any further queries, please feel free to mail me. (just remember the 
Scotland bit :))) )

Kind Regards 

-- 
Dave MacRae                 |The views expressed here are mine and
Edinburgh                   |mine alone and do not reflect the views
Scotland                    |of my employers in any way.

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From: tel93062@oasis (Alvaro M. Echevarria)
Subject: PCI SCSI problem
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:29:21 GMT

I have bought a COMTRADE, 90 MHz Pentium with an unknown PCI SCSI
controller card (no commercial name appears in the booklet or in
the card) using the NCR 53c810 chip. Connected to this card is
a Quantum Empire 1080S hard disk.
I personally added a Pro Audio Spectrum 16 ISA bus, with a double
speed NEC CD ROM attached to the SCSI port.
When I try to use the LINUX Kernel 1.0 (slackware distribution
1.2), it only recognizes the NEC connected to PAS 16. The PCI
SCSI controller and the HD are not recognized.
I have read that there are COMTRADE PCs working with LINUX and
also, with problems, SCSI controllers with the NEC 53c810.
Perhaps this will depend on the LINUX Release.
- Can someone inform me about the possibility to use LINUX in
this PC ?
- I'm also looking for information about the physical
characteristics of the Quantum HD 1080S: Heads, cylinders, tracks
and sectors.
- Where are the resistor terminators in the Quantum HD and in the
NEC CD ROM?
Please send E-mail to [email-masked]
because I have no access to the Usenet. Thanks a lot.

                            Eduardo E. Soriano. Madrid. Spain.

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From: [email-masked] (Dylan Smith)
Subject: Re: If Linux passes X/Open's Spec 1170, will it become a true Unix?
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:15:52 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff Tranter ([email-masked]) wrote:

: While we're on the topic, I can't resist directing a few flames at
: X/OPEN for their policy on making this "open" spec available.

And OSF. I think these organizations should be renamed X/CLOSED
and the Closed Software Foundation. One thing they are not is open.
(For instance, Motif is described in my X Window book as being
proprietary. How can you have piece of open proprietary software?
Surely a contradiction in terms?)

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
Subject: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 04:04:15 GMT

Hi *,

Can someone in the net who have played with both CSLIP and PPP
tell me which one to choose? I'm not intended to invoke any
controversial issue.  I just wish to know, comparing performance
under Linux only, which one is better? (I assume, once either
one is setup as client, I can get all tcpip programs to run.
Correct me if I'm wrong.)  Thanks!!

  --Eric

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From: [email-masked] (Keith Stone)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Etherwave Cards
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 15:12:42 -0500

> In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Sara
Green) writes:
> 
>    Has anyone successfully used the Etherwave cards under Linux?  If so, any
>    opinions on Etherwave versus other network cards?  Thanks in advance.
> 

Works for me. I'm using TransAmeri-Tech July release.

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|\\\ ///| Crewstone Consulting ltd.   | Fax:   (910) 777-1191
|/// \\\| 1001 S Marshall Suite 118   | "Opinions expressed were the 
========= Winston=Salem, NC 27101     |  best available at the time."

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From: [email-masked] (peter hill)
Subject: Re: Linux BBS Software 
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 15:29:28 +0000

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:

> OK - drealm bbs is ready for beta testing, but we are in desparate need of
> people who are already fairly linux-literate, and preferably in the UK so as
> to keep transmission and contact costs down.
> 
> We also would like to know which is the most popular linux that people are
> using so that we can make a decision about which platform to concentrate
> on supporting first.  Currently it runs on sysVr4.2 beautifully, and 
> Infomagic linux passably, but has problems on Yggdrasil.
> 
> Rewards for helping with testing/development are naturally a registered copy
> of the s/w when ready!
> 

I am presently bringing up (sic - pun intended) an Xbbs system, mainly
because my American counterpart is already running it. He is running
Slackware 1.0.3 (I think). I have recently upgraded to Slackware 2.0
and am still in the throes of recovering from the upgrade.

Having spent some considerable time with Xbbs, I have been looking around
for alternatives. I have tried most of those suggested in earlier missives
(rocat, ebbs etc) and none of them really fit the bill for what I
particularly need to provide to my users. At present, I am running Wildcat
3 on a DOS box - adequate but limited as far as a TCP/IP network is
concerned !

I am looking for network _and_ modem access, with particular emphasis
on security. If there is _any_ suspicion that a user could get onto
the corporate network through the BBS then it won't even get a lookin.
My company suffered a number of network breakins (via Internet) over
the last year or so, and those who run network security are somewhat
paranoid about who can do what on the network. They are even more
paranoid about systems on the network which have modems attached.

I would be more than interested in looking at, or evaluating, any
new software which might fit the bill.

Peter.

-- 
peter hill

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From: [email-masked] (Harry C Pulley)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: 16550AFN serial card
Date: 2 Sep 1994 14:09:17 GMT

Andre Fachat ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Naji M. Khudairi ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : : >Does LINUX support any 16550AFN serial card?
: : Great, but how do you enable the 16 byte buffer in order to take advantage
: : of overrun protection?
: Another silly question
: Can I just remove the 8250 from an (very) old Serial Card and replace
: it with a 16550 to improve serial throughput?

You must change both the UART (8250) and the 2 support chips, unless the
support chips are newer than the UART.  Wherever you buy a 16550 you usually
get the two little support chips too (1489 and 1488).  The 3 chips are pin
compatible with your old setup.  Just drop them in and all should be well.  It
worked for me.

Harry
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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: Application to format/read/write Macin
Date: 2 Sep 1994 17:27:05 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Sam Oscar Lantinga) writes:
>: 19:14:48 luna: ~/SRC/hfs0_3$ ./hfs ls /dev/fd0H1440
>: error: cannot open the device "a:" for use as a Macintosh volume 
>
>       hfs needs to be suid root.
>(I think it needs write permission to the drive)
>
I had been running it as root, but I had had the write protect set.  I
unset it, and now it appears to work.  Thanks.

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Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: [email-masked] (Karl Eichwalder)
Subject: Re: Application to format/read/write Macintosh Disks
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:26:00 GMT

31 Aug 94 15:59:27 GMT, Holger Dunkel UP4 ([email-masked]) wrote:
> [email-masked] (James Pinakis) writes:

> - use xhfs to read data from Apple 1.44 MB HFS floppies (no write so far as 
> I  know)

hfs tells me:

19:14:48 luna: ~/SRC/hfs0_3$ ./hfs ls /dev/fd0H1440
error: cannot open the device "a:" for use as a Macintosh volume 

Any clue?

The floppy drive blinks for a short time, so I am sure, that hfs finds
the device and of course I have inserted a Macintosh HD floppy.

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From: [email-masked] (Raphael Mankin)
Subject: Re: vi for dos
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 17:04:22 +0000

There are some very good vi clones on garbo and simtel. Have a look in
the appropriate directories. I'm sorry I don't have an exact reference
to hand.
-- 
Raphael Mankin                  Decalogue (n): a series of commandments, ten in 
                                        number - just enough to permit an
                                        intelligent selection for observance,
                                        but not enough to embarass the choice.
                                Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: Whats the best _CHEAP_ ISA video card for Linux/Xfree?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:51:30 GMT

Dirk Eddelbuettel ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Very well that the ATI Mach32/Ultra/Ultra Pro are advocated for, but could
: someone give me hints for the best    performance/price    ratios ?

Sounds tailor-made for an S3-801 board.

*  Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 Plus (?)
Works, fixed clocks, IMHO overpriced.

*  STB PowerGraph X-24
works well (I have the VLB version, a VL-24)
some recent boards appear to have problems with
the on-board frequency synthesizer when you
change modes.  When it works, it's nice not
to worry about what dot-clocks you have available,
since the card can synthesize any with about
0.1 MHz resolution.

*  Actix GraphicsEngine 32
works well, slightly cheaper, fixed clocks

*  No-name Taiwan Clone
I haven't heard any horror stories, and some
people have reported success.

Prices should range from US$99 (Taiwan mail order)
to US$160 (STB local retail)  All these cards should come
with 1M 60ns DRAM, and be useful up to about 70 MHz dot-clock,
sufficient to run 1024x768ni.  Going above 1024x768 is not
normally recommended, both because you run out of DRAM bandwidth,
and you start eating into the 256K used for font caching.
STB says their parts should "work" up to 80 MHz dot clock, and
the freq synthesizer and RAMDAC is limited by XFree to 110 MHz.

: My system is a 486DX-33, 16MB, ISA bus, 1024x768 interlaced 14'' SVGA 
: monitor so I am looking for an accelerated card that gives me 800x600 and 
: 1024x768 (but not more, no 2 MB cards needed) and that will be faster than 
: the 512 kB Oak Oti67 it will replace (this one sucks: TOTAL  3012.000000 
: xStones  reported by xbench).

===>>>>Expect 60-80 kXstones from an S3-801 !!!!

: I am looking for something like
:       Orchid Fahrenheit                     140 USD       
===>S3
:       STB Powergraph                        125 USD
===>S3
:       STB Horizon                           95  USD    
===>Cirrus?
:         cards with Cirrus Logic 5428 chips    price ? 
:       
: Comments, recommendations, flames, welcome under <[email-masked]>

: Bye,

: -- 
: Dirk Eddelbuettel                                 
: <[email-masked]>                           

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From: [email-masked] (Peter J Drier)
Subject: defination?
Date: 31 Aug 1994 23:24:25 GMT

Could someone please tell me (by email) what LUN stands for.  I've been looking
over the SCSI-HOWTO for the past few days trying to decide on a good scsi 
controller, but I can't seem to figure out what LUN means.  
Any good scsi-controller suggestions would also be welcome.

Peter.

p.s. the authors e-mail address isn't listed so I couldn't ask him.  maybe a
     glossary is needed.

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: dBASE for Linux?
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 19:26:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Blaise Thauvin) writes:
>Well, FoxPro for Unix is supposed to be out soon (or is it already?) and
>this is a very good environment for porting Dbase apps. What is really interesting
>is that the same (and this means exactly the same, I've tried it with a real
>world application on Dos and Windows) application can run in four

There is also Flagship for porting clipper stuff and Flagship for Linux is
already out.  In addition codebase portability edition works fine with Linux
and gives you C libs and C++ class libs for Dbase/clipper/fox file formats
including fast indexing and network locking.

Alan

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: [email-masked] (Robert Manners)
Subject: Re: survey on S3 videocards with programmable clocks, especially
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 14:13:49 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mihail S. Iotov) writes:
>I would like to here from S3 owners and users of XFree86. I will summarize.
>
>Please answer to the following questions :
>
>1. Card, make, model, manufacturer version and approx date of purchase.
>2. What do you use for Clocks numbers or icd2061a
>3. How is switching ?
>
I have a completely unbraned S3 card from Taiwan. (Its simply called S3
VGA - I don't know the manufacturer, but if anyone's interested I could
open up my PC and have a look at it ...) It has 1MB RAM on board. I originally
tried using icd2061a in my Xconfig, but nothing much worked. I replaced
that with a clocks line, guessed from reading the card documentation. I
get 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 (256 colour) all at 70ish Hz. I can
also get 1150x900 (I think) at 50Hz (yuk!). Switching modes is more or less
instant, but the monitor takes 1s or so to sync to each mode.

Its only a cheap card - 85 pounds here in the UK. (Its VL bus BTW)

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R.J.Manners       Diagnostics & BIOS Development Engineer (!)
                  ICL Intel(tm) SuperServers 
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: [email-masked] (Thomas Tonino)
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 21:35:59 GMT

As regarding the making availabele of a 'copy to illegaly copy'
wordperfect for Linux on Sunsite, I might want to call to your
attention that in the past Wordperfect Netherlands approach to
piracy has been something like 'It helps us sell'....

So... maybe it would be a good idea... but it should look less official I think.

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