Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #724
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 06:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #724, Volume #2                 Thu, 8 Sep 94 06:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: WARNING about shadow-mk package (Mohan Kokal)
  Re: Whats the best _CHEAP_ ISA video card for Linux/Xfree? (John Saunders)
  Re: Max size of SCSI HD? (John Saunders)
  Re: IDE vs SCSI (was  486dx4 vs Pentium 60) (Damien P. Neil)
  Looking for cheap DC-6525 tapes (525MB) (Angelo Haritsis)
  Western Digital 212 MEG Hard Drives  **NICE PRICE**!!! (Dr. John V. Jaskolski)
  Dialin/dialout modem setup for UUCP etc. (Bill Hiley)
  Re: Who makes PCI/SCSI/NCR53c810 add-on boards (Lam Dang)
  Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why??? (Damien P. Neil)
  Any interest in Hercules PBM viewer? (Michael Haardt)
  Linux in InfoWorld (Croix)
  Re: Setting up term for everyone on system. (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why??? (Dan Newcombe)
  Ftape...so close..THANKS TO ALL!!! (RYAN  Colin Patrick)
  Re: term and tia (Patrick Reijnen)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.announce
From: [email-masked] (Mohan Kokal)
Subject: Re: WARNING about shadow-mk package
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Mohan Kokal)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 18:21:33 GMT

A new release of the package has been uploaded on to :

ftp.procyon.com:/pub/linux/shadow/shadow-mk.tar.gz

This release has the source code for the login.secure program mentioned
by [email-masked]  (Bauke Jan Douma) . The program is abosolutely harmless
and the earlier posts were just an over reaction. If you already have the
package installed from before today, then you do *not* have to get rid of
your /bin/login [which is login.secure] . /bin/login in the mk package
is a wrapper type of program that gets rid of the original /bin/login security
holes of -froot and -h.

Also in this package, the file perms have been fixed for the /bin/login and
/bin/_login files. If you have :

/bin/login as mode 4711 and
/bin/_login as mode 4755

then please change this to

/bin/login as mode 4511 and
/bin/_login as mode 4500

For those of you curious about the login.secure program, the original posting
with the source code is available on ftp.procyon.com in the directory
/pub/linux/shadow as login.secure.gz . As mentioned before, the source code is
also available in the latest release of shadow-mk.

If you have any questions , please email me at any of the following addresses:
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
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Consistency Is Victory. 
[email-masked]                              -Mohan Kokal
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From: [email-masked] (John Saunders)
Subject: Re: Whats the best _CHEAP_ ISA video card for Linux/Xfree?
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:52:48 GMT

Mark A. Horton KA4YBR ([email-masked]) wrote:
> Dirk Eddelbuettel ([email-masked]) wrote:
> :            I am looking for an accelerated card that gives me 800x600 and 
> : 1024x768 (but not more, no 2 MB cards needed) and that will be faster than 
> : the 512 kB Oak Oti67 it will replace (this one sucks: TOTAL  3012.000000 
> : xStones  reported by xbench).

> It's not an accelerated card, but the little beastie is FAST! - the Trident
                                                          ^^^^
Ha! Good joke! I used to have one of these. xbench reports 3900 xstones so
it's not much faster than what he's moving away from.

> 8900CL with 1MB... you can get them for about $60.00 and I've seen them
                                                ^^^^^^
I wouldn't pay 5 cents. BTW I have one for sale if your interested.

Your best bet is an S3 card. If you're finance limited (impaired?) then
go the for S3 801/805 DRAM version. Otherwise the 928 is a very fast
beast. For a cheaper card you could try a Cirrus 542{6|8} based card.
If it's a VLB card, the Cirrus gives about 50000 xstones. The DRAM S3's
come in at about 70000 xstones.
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From: [email-masked] (John Saunders)
Subject: Re: Max size of SCSI HD?
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:44:43 GMT

Dale Elrod ([email-masked]) wrote:
> What is the max size that a single partition on a SCSI based hard drive?

> I would like to place two 9 gig drives on my ftp server but want to be sure
> that Linux can handle this.

Going by the partition table format you should be able to get 8 Gig from
a single drive. If the SCSI controller BIOS handles it, 8 Gig should also
be usable under DOS. I think Linux is limited by the partition table
limitation. I haven't tried it but, it may be possible to put the
filesystem on /dev/sda rather than the partition /dev/sda1. Since /dev/sda
is raw access to the blocks on the drive you should be able to create
a filesystem of any size (up to SCSI limits) on the drive.

FYI, partition max heads is 255, max sectors 63 and max cyls 1023.
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From: [email-masked] (Damien P. Neil)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (was  486dx4 vs Pentium 60)
Date: 7 Sep 1994 19:16:40 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Michael Griffith <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>, Justin Scott <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>But IDE and Pentium and Linux would be like cramming several thousand psi 
>>of a thick liquid through a stirring straw... it will be a slow and 
>>tedious process.
>
>Not necessarily.  Here is a quote from the comp.periphs.scsi FAQ:

[ quote deleted ]

One other consideration is that IDE drives take up processor time while
being accessed.  An easy way to see this is to mkfs a partition on an IDE
drive while in X -- X will come to a standstill, no matter how fast your
machine.

In addition, SCSI drives beat out IDE if you have multiple processes
accessing the drive simultaneously.

I have an IDE, but given any choice at all, I would go with a SCSI.  I
agree that the concept of putting an IDE drive on a Pentium system is
ridiculous.  If you really need the speed of a Pentium, get a decent drive
at the same time.

      - Damien

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From: [email-masked] (Angelo Haritsis)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Looking for cheap DC-6525 tapes (525MB)
Date: 7 Sep 94 19:41:45 GMT

Dear all,

I am looking for a supplier to get *cheap* DC-6525 tapes (525Mb) 
in the UK.  Any suggestions?

Please reply by personal email.

Thanks,
Angelo
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 e-mail: [email-masked] - !!!NEW!!! tel:+44 71 594 8434 - fax:+44 71 589 7127

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From: [email-masked] (Dr. John V. Jaskolski)
Subject: Western Digital 212 MEG Hard Drives  **NICE PRICE**!!!
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 03:15:01 GMT

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 I have a few *BRAND NEW* 212 Meg IDE hard drives available.  They are 
 $165.00.  Call ASAP if you want one because I will give them out on a first come
 first serve basis.

 These are Western Digital Caviar Series (WD-1210A) IDE Hard Drives.  They are
 internal 3.5" Drives (3.5" X 1"H). They have 12 ms access times and they are
 STILL FACTORY SEALED in their anti-static bag.  They are 100% guaranteed for
 1 YEAR.  If you get one and you don't like the way it matches your wallpaper
 simply return it for your money back *NO QUESTIONS ASKED*!  Also, references
 from people who have previously purchased from me are available on demand.

 These drives work perfectly with Linux, BSD, and other Unices for the PC.
 
 I can take Visa, Discover, MasterCard, or American Express for these.
 You can call *ANYTIME*  up until 2:00 AM to order one.  My home phone number
 is (414) 629-1804.  If you think it is too late and they are already
 gone call anyway because your call will put you in line for one if I
 can get any more.  If nobody is home you can leave a message on our
 machine and I will call you within hours of your leaving a message.
 In any case, CALL NOW if you are at all interested!

 The cost is as follows:

 212 Meg Western Digital Hard Drive    $165.00
 S&H                                                      $ 10.00
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 TOTAL                                                  $175.00

 (This is the amount that would be charged to your credit card.)

 If you are going to pay with a check or money order:
 In order to acquire a HD make your payment or money order payable to:

 Dr. John V. Jaskolski

 send it to:

 Dr. John V. Jaskolski
 6120 Hillcrest Drive
 Allenton, WI
 53002

 E-MAIL me confirming exactly what you want and in what quantity and
 indicate how much money you sent in your payment.

 Sincerely,
 Dr. John V. Jaskolski
 [email-masked]

 P.S.  The Specs follow:

 These are the specs:

 Condition                         *BRAND NEW* Still Factory Sealed
                                          1 YEAR MANUFACTURE'S WARRANTY
 Capacity                               212 Meg
 Average Access Time            12 ms
 Form Factor:                       3 1/2" Half Height
 MTBF (power-on hours)          100,000
 Average Sectors Per Track       35
 Cylinders                                   989
 Heads                                        12 
 Power Requirements   +12V Start-Up (amps) .44
                                     +12V Typical  (amps) .11
                                     +5V Start-Up (amps)   .66
                                     +5V Typical (amps)   0.33
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From: [email-masked] (Bill Hiley)
Subject: Dialin/dialout modem setup for UUCP etc.
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 94 02:08:55 GMT

I want to setup the modem on my Linux machine for dialout (for UUCP) and
dialin (for terminal access). I have read the Serial-Howto, but I can't
figure out how to flip the modem between 'quiet mode' (for dialin terminal
access) and normal response mode so that UUCP can chat to the modem and 
get eg 'CONNECT' type messages.
Some systems eg SCO have separate lines in 'Dialers' for modem initialisation
and re-initialisation when the UUCP session is finished, but Taylor UUCP
doesn't appear to support this.
Can I acheive what I want with the /etc/default/getty.ttySx files ?

I would appreciate some real world experience from Linux comms Gurus

Thanks - Bill Hiley <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Lam Dang)
Subject: Re: Who makes PCI/SCSI/NCR53c810 add-on boards
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 03:47:25 GMT

Kevin Esler ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I've seen mentioned (in the PCI HOWTO) of add-on SCSI controllers,
: based on the NCR53c810 chip, for a PCI bus.  They apparently sell for
: about $70.  Does anybody have the brand and model number for these,
: and maybe a source ?

: Kevin Esler //hewlett-packard/cso/stg/std/mll (MA Language Lab)
: [email-masked]   (508) 436-5979

I bought a no-name NCR 53c810 PCI SCSI card last week for $80 from 
InteliSys at (703)385-0347.  I installed it on my ASUS SP3G main board,
disabling the on-board 53c810 (1.1.49 doesn't seem to support  multiple 
SCSI buses).  The card has an Adaptec-type external connector.  I bought 
an external cable for $35 at the same place.  No complaints.

-- 
Lam Dang
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Damien P. Neil)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
Date: 7 Sep 1994 19:36:22 GMT

>>I know for a fact that you can't learn Unix (I mean learn it really well)just
>>by fooling around with it.  So what's the point?

Well, I didn't see the original post to this thread, but this statement is
plain wrong.

I installed Linux for the first time about 1.5 - 2 years ago.  I knew
nothing about Linux or Unix.  I had a general idea as to what ls, cp, mv,
and a few other two-letter commands did, from using a csh clone on my
Amiga.  All I wanted to do was play Netrek.

It took me about 4 - 5 months before I was able to play Netrek.  I had to
struggle with networking, X, frequent crashes, and just about everything
else on the system.  After six months, I became fed up with the distribution
I was using (SLS), and installed everything from scratch.  Note that
installing a complete Un*x system from original sources gleaned from
assorted FTP sites is NOT the work of a novice.

I spent last summer working (for pay) on a commercial Linux distribution.
In a year and a half of `fooling around' with Linux, I managed to progress
from barely knowing enough to get a directory listing to being able to
make money with my knowledge of Unix.  While I am far from being the most
knowledgeable person I know, I would consider myself to be a competent
Unix user.

I know of no better way to learn Unix than to fool around with it.

        - Damien

(BTW -- I haven't played Netrek in at least 3/4 of a year.  Somehow, my
initial reason for installing Linux paled once I found out how interesting
the system itself was... :-)

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From: Michael Haardt <(michael)[email-masked]>
Subject: Any interest in Hercules PBM viewer?
Date: Tue,  6 Sep 94 22:50:14 MET

Quite some time ago, I wrote a viewer for PBM files which works with
Hercules grafics cards.  Nothing fancy, it just loads the image and
lets you scroll through it.  It does however do its job, using some
simple shell scripts you can use it with ghostscript and for looking at
JPGs.  If you are interested, please send me email.  Depending on the
response I will either email it back to you or make it available per
ftp.

Michael
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Twiggs and root are a wonderful tree (tm) Twiggs & root 1992 :-)

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From: [email-masked] (Croix)
Subject: Linux in InfoWorld
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 04:56:02 GMT

For those of you who subscribe to InfoWorld, pay attention to their article
on TCP/IP.  This week they attempt to install Linux on a Dell 486.  Most
of the article talks about their problems with the machine, not with
Linux.  However, to me, the best part of the article is just the fact
that their review has placed it in the same category as the commercial
OS's and TCP/IP offerings they normally review.

They attempted to install Slackware 2.0.  The only thing they did was
to create the install disks and tell the system to auto-install
everything from CD.  After letting the install run all night, they
came back the next morning to discover:
         * They took the wrong system.  Their install system
           had critical data on it that wasn't backed up.
         * Slackware install recognized the disk was DOS partitioned
           and created a LINUX directory under which it put
           the distribution.
         * Their critical data was still available on disk.

Since they didn't actually try anything with the system, I assume
next week's article will do something technical, like attempt to
configure TCP/IP.

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John Croix                         | My opinions are my own and probably aren't
[email-masked]              | those of any reasonably sane person.
===================================+===========================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: Setting up term for everyone on system.
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 07:05:22 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (C.W. Southern) writes:

>I want to setup term on my Linux box so everyone on my system can
>use it.  Right now I have it setup for me only.  But I know that there
>is a way set it up so more then one user can share the socket to 
>connect to the remote machine.  Maybe run term as root... something 
>like that?  Can anyone help.

Get yourself the newest Term-HOWTO on sunsite. There it is described how to
 arrange this. If yoiu cannot find it let me know. I can send you a copy of
it. In that case just tell me in what form you want to have it(ascii, postscript, latex).

>chris.
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From: [email-masked] (Dan Newcombe)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 16:10:21 UNDEFINED

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Damien P. Neil) writes:

>>>I know for a fact that you can't learn Unix (I mean learn it really well)just
>>>by fooling around with it.  So what's the point?

>Well, I didn't see the original post to this thread, but this statement is
>plain wrong.

I agree with Damien.  I installed Linux a couple of years ago.  The only 
previous Unix experience I had was ftp and MUD's...very iffy as whether or not 
those count :)  

I have had one formal Unix class in my life - two weeks ago, on a HP system, 
to learn what it does different, such as it's logical volume management, etc...

Other than that, it's all self taught.

Please people, don't project your own failures as the truths of the general 
public.

        -Dan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (RYAN  Colin Patrick)
Subject: Ftape...so close..THANKS TO ALL!!!
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 23:19:23 GMT

Well, I just wanted to thank all those who mailed me with advice on my 
Ftape problems. Once again proving that Linux has the best support in the
world. Anyhow , I finally go ftape-1.13b going easily with kernel 1.1.35.

Later, 
Colin

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From: [email-masked] (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: term and tia
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 07:17:11 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Paul Larson) writes:

>       I'm haveing many problems trying to get term working.  I have a
>term rc file set up on both ends.  When I run term, everything seems
>ok, but when I try to do a trsh, tncftp, etc... it freaks out on my end.
>It displays some garbage and says "timed out at 102 trans 1"  and keeps 
>doing that untill I kill it.  Does anyone know of a way to fix this?
>Also, could someone please tell me where to get this tia program for dos.
>I may have to fall back on it.  I can't seem to find it using archie.

Have you run linecheck before starting term?? This tells you a biot about the condition of the connection you are using. Which characters should be escaped/
ignored, if you have a 7 or 8 bit connection etc.

According to this output you have to change the termrc files on both sites.

then run two test daemons on one machine to see if term it self works.

Then fire up your connection over the modem. Most probably, you then have
to start tuning the parameters 'windows', timeout' and 'baudrate' in your
termrc file.

The time out message you get means that a data packet is timed out after 102
msec, the first time it is sent.

>Thanks in advance,
>Paul

>btw: please reply by e-mail... thanks

>[email-masked]

Hope this helps,

Patrick Reijnen

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