Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #725
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:13:41 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #725, Volume #2                 Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:13:41 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Monitoring TTY's .. (Alpha / Omega Enterprises)
  Re: Dialin/dialout modem setup for UUCP etc. (Tracy R. Reed)
  Used DMA-Channel (Ulrich Bretthauer)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: atdisk2 patch for kernel-1.1.47 or newer.
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Alan Cox)
  SW for AVer framegrabber (Nicki Goetze)
  Re: BOCA 8 port NIGHTMARE !!! (Rob Janssen)
  term and tia (Paul Larson)
  Re: Possible lpd/printcap bug (Josef Dalcolmo)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Michael I Bushnell)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Matt Welsh)
  Pine 3.90 (Benjamin Alman)
  Re: Nachos anyone? (Alan Cox)
  Re: gcc 2.6.x upgrade (Alan Cox)
  Re: Setting up term for everyone on system. (David Kastrup)
  My disk layout (was Re: OS/2 vs. OS/2 for Windows) (Tim Smith)

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From: [email-masked] (Alpha / Omega Enterprises)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Monitoring TTY's ..
Date: 8 Sep 1994 07:10:57 GMT

Ivan Parga ([email-masked]) wrote:

: > I'm running a Linux box and would like to find out if there is software 
: > that will allow me to monitor someone's tty.  We have had some problems 
: > with people trying to break system security.. it would be nice to be able 
: > to monitor and record the actions of these people live, while it happens.

    There is some software available for this, but I have found a quick 
way to monitor access is to login as that user and then press the up 
arrow key.  Keep pressing it, and it will show you all of the commands 
that the particular user executed in their last session.  Of course it 
will not monitor what they did in different editors, and mail programs, 
but it is better than nothing.

Thanks,
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Tracy R. Reed)
Subject: Re: Dialin/dialout modem setup for UUCP etc.
Date: 8 Sep 1994 03:20:58 GMT

Bill Hiley ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I want to setup the modem on my Linux machine for dialout (for UUCP) and
: dialin (for terminal access). I have read the Serial-Howto, but I can't
: figure out how to flip the modem between 'quiet mode' (for dialin terminal
: access) and normal response mode so that UUCP can chat to the modem and 
: get eg 'CONNECT' type messages.
: Some systems eg SCO have separate lines in 'Dialers' for modem initialisation
: and re-initialisation when the UUCP session is finished, but Taylor UUCP
: doesn't appear to support this.
: Can I acheive what I want with the /etc/default/getty.ttySx files ?

There is an option in uugetty that will cause the modem to be on or off 
at certain times. Look at the SCHED option in the getty man page. It will 
execute the INIT string certain times, and the OFF string at certain 
times. So if you know when your UUCP is going to be, and when dialins 
will be, you can schedule uugetty to issue a command to the modem to turn 
on quiet mode using the OFF string.

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From: [email-masked] (Ulrich Bretthauer)
Subject: Used DMA-Channel
Date: 8 Sep 1994 09:59:16 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi everyone,

I have a Problem with my hardware!
I have a 486DX40, two harddisks with AT-bus interface 
(a WD AC2340 as master-drive and a Conner CFA 540A as slave)
and a Mitsumi FX001D cd-rom. With MSDOS I use the mtmcdae.sys-driver 
for the cd-rom, so it has to use a free (?) DMA-channel (CH6).
Since I started the installation of LINUX a problem with
the DMA-mode occurs. After the partitioning and formating of the harddisks
all DMA-channels seem to be used. Copying of files and programms with
MSDOS leads to serious problems. In some cases I have nonexecutable
programms, but sometimes the copying is a total failure with a
number of corrupted files, lost chains etc..

Does anyone know if this is a problem with the architecture of
AT-bus mainboards or a problem with MSDOS? A Friend has a similar
problem with his soundcard, using a DMA-channel. He had to remove it
to install LINUX.

Thanks in advance

Ulrich 

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 8 Sep 1994 04:04:46 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: atdisk2 patch for kernel-1.1.47 or newer.
Date: 8 Sep 1994 10:18:00 GMT

: I have recently modified the hd.c code to handle two controllers in a
: unified way without code duplication. This resulted in a saving of
: about 8kbytes of kernel code. I announced the code (which will become
: atdisk2-1.0) to the KERNEL channel last week for ALPHA testing. The
: ALPHA code can be found at the same location above. It is for the
: adventurous ONLY!!

What about a controller that handles 4 ide drives , not 2 controllers
handling 4 ide drives. Ive had no luck getting this to work. It works under
msdawg but Linux only recognizes the first 2 HardDrives, but it does report
the info of the Ide card.

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:43:07 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Joe Buck) writes:
>certain key files always linked in, like libgcc.a and crt0.S have special
>exceptions to avoid bringing whole applications under the GPL.  These
>statements are true of both Linux and the future Hurd.  There is no

Note the kernel syscall interface is also explicitly removed from the list.
If I wanted to be paranoid, I'd download the dll tools generate my own
dynamic library binding files (so they are mine not GNU's) and have a quick
check that none of the headers used >10 lines of code. Structures then don't
matter here (interface copyright stuff). 

>The only difference I can see is attitude: the FSF people talk about
>software hoarders, grumble a lot but then adjust their licenses where
>needed (example: the stream classes in libg++ moved from the LGPL to the

The FSF seem to have a habit of trying to use their (as opposed to other
peoples) GPL'd code as a political lever at time (eg the RSAREF thing).
Thats a pity and detracts from the basic aim.

Alan
[GPL but not FSF supporter...]
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From: [email-masked] (Nicki Goetze)
Subject: SW for AVer framegrabber
Date: 8 Sep 1994 10:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anybody know if there's software (tools, drivers) available for all sorts of framegrabbers (esp. AVer-framegrabber)?
I don't wanna start from scratch, or do what someone's done already...

Thanx in advance,
Nick

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: BOCA 8 port NIGHTMARE !!!
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:42:02 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Bob Kupiec) writes:

>In <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] writes:
>>In comp.os.linux.misc, Rob Janssen ([email-masked]) wrote:
>>> This card is not suitable for use with modems.  Get a 6-port ioAT66 instead.
>>
>>Or in other words: the Boca BB1004/1008 does not offer the necessary
>>signal lines for modems. They lack DTR, DCD and friends.

>The Boca 2by4 (4S/2P) does support modems and works well.  Only bad
>this is that each port requires it's own IRQ.

The ioAT66 does not have that problem.

Rob
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From: [email-masked] (Paul Larson)
Subject: term and tia
Date: 8 Sep 1994 02:10:46 GMT

        I'm haveing many problems trying to get term working.  I have a
term rc file set up on both ends.  When I run term, everything seems
ok, but when I try to do a trsh, tncftp, etc... it freaks out on my end.
It displays some garbage and says "timed out at 102 trans 1"  and keeps 
doing that untill I kill it.  Does anyone know of a way to fix this?
Also, could someone please tell me where to get this tia program for dos.
I may have to fall back on it.  I can't seem to find it using archie.

Thanks in advance,
Paul

btw: please reply by e-mail... thanks

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Josef Dalcolmo)
Subject: Re: Possible lpd/printcap bug
Date: 7 Sep 1994 20:00:39 GMT

I agree. There are even examples showing the # not in the first column and
they don't work.

- Josef

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From: [email-masked] (Michael I Bushnell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: 08 Sep 1994 14:14:56 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Alan Cox) writes:

   The FSF seem to have a habit of trying to use their (as opposed to other
   peoples) GPL'd code as a political lever at time (eg the RSAREF thing).
   Thats a pity and detracts from the basic aim.

Apparently you haven't understood the basic aim of the FSF.  Far from
detracting from the basic aim, that *IS* the basic aim.

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:22:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Dances With Geeks) writes:
>There are licensing problems in the standard GNU approach,
>again IMO, involving the linkage of libraries into applications.  I'm not
>saying the GNU approach is wrong, just that it's not as open as it might be.

Sorry, but you're stuck with the "GNU approach" (whatever that means)
because you use software and libraries covered by the GPL. Any "problems"
perceived with GNU software applies equally to Linux.

RMS's idea (which I have heard first-hand) is that Linux systems
should be considered GNU systems with Linux as the kernel. This
might be an over-generalization, but you get the idea. Linux systems
don't use exclusively GNU software, and don't adhere 100% to the
GPL ideal. However, the _guts_ of the system (kernel, libraries,
all of the basic and no-so-basic binaries, and so forth) are all 
covered by the GPL. Most of these were developed by the GNU project.
Why shouldn't GNU receive recognition for this? RMS is simply stating 
the status quo in a different way. 

The Debian Linux Association is working with the FSF in order to
develop a good working relationship with them, as well as to
assist each other through shared resources. Case in point: I'm
going to Cambridge (perhaps next week) to install Debian on a machine 
on the FSF's network. The GNU project has donated the machine and 
network connectivity for Debian's use---something that we can all 
benefit from. 

Calm down. The FSF isn't the Borg. They are not out to assimilate Linux. 

M. Welsh

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From: [email-masked] (Benjamin Alman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Pine 3.90
Date: 8 Sep 1994 13:40:51 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone know where I can get Pine 3.90 for Linux? 

please respond via email, thanks! 

--
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From: Ben Alman, Internet: [email-masked], My PC:
[email-masked] Linux 1.1.47 + XFree386-2.1.1, Slackware 2.0
on an i486 DX/2-66 with 20mb RAM It's just the age, It's just a stage, We
disengage, We turn the page... -Rush

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Nachos anyone?
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:08:41 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jason Wong) writes:
>Robert Wesley Bingler ([email-masked]) wrote:
>>      Has anyone ported/compiled nachos operating system code to Linux?
>> It is said to compile under FreeBSD etc.  I am working with version 3.2.
>Hi, I also want to know the answer. Do I need to install BSDs in order to compile it?

I've never used nachos, but SPIM (another mips simulator), gcc mips cross
compilers and tools are all available from the people doing the Linux/MIPS
port, or you can build them yourselves from gcc sources.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: gcc 2.6.x upgrade
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:10:41 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Joe Buck) writes:
>The Intel port of 2.4.0 is available in the meantime, though no one is
>supporting it (at Intel or FSF).

And a non intel port of 2.5.8 is on some of the other archives done by some
Linux people.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (David Kastrup)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Setting up term for everyone on system.
Date: 7 Sep 1994 20:28:44 GMT

[email-masked] (C.W. Southern) writes:

>I want to setup term on my Linux box so everyone on my system can
>use it.  Right now I have it setup for me only.  But I know that there
>is a way set it up so more then one user can share the socket to 
>connect to the remote machine.  Maybe run term as root... something 
>like that?  Can anyone help.

One rather cheap way is to to something like
tredir 2023 23
(you need not be root to do that)
Anyone wanting a remote login can then say
telnet your.machine 2023
-- 
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 Tel: +49-241-72419 Fax: +49-241-79502
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From: [email-masked] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.setup,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: My disk layout (was Re: OS/2 vs. OS/2 for Windows)
Date: 7 Sep 1994 20:30:45 GMT

[I've added a linux group and a BSD group, since this may be of interest
 to them too]

Greg Thoman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>       Here's my curiosity question of the day:  suppose I have two 
>physical drives, the first with a primary partition or partions and 
>an extended partition or partitions, and the second with only extended 
>partition or partitions.  I know I can install OS/2 into an extended 
>partition, but can I install it into an extended partition on the 
>_second_ drive?  This would mean "booting" from the second hard 
>drive to run it, which doesn't seem "intuitively obvious".  
>       Will it work?

OS/2 is happy on the second drive, although I've not tried it in an
extended partition.  Here's my current setup, which has OS/2, DOS/Windows,
Linux, and FreeBSD:

Drive 1 (540 MB)

        #       Type            Size            Start Cyl

        Part 1: Boot Manager    2 meg           0
        Part 2: DOS             200 meg         3
        Part 3: FreeBSD         320 meg         410

Drive 2 (1080 MB)

        Part 1: HPFS            40 MB           0
        Part 2: Linux           500 MB          1023
        Part 3: Linux           24 MB           2049
        Part 4: Extended        150 MB          82

The extended partition is filled with a DOS partition at the moment.
I'm going to delete that and make a new extended partition that takes
up all the free space.  I'll then put DOS, OS/2, Linux, or FreeBSD
partitions in that as needed.

The second Linux partition is a swap partition.  Linux is quit happy
living entirely in the top half of the disk, past the 1023 cylinder limit
that plagues many systems.

Boot manager is set up to allow booting DOS, OS/2, or FreeBSD.
Linux is booted from DOS via the bootlin program.  The config.sys
in the DOS partition starts like this:

        SWITCHES=/F
        [MENU]
        menuitem=NORMAL, Normal DOS and Windows Configuration
        menuitem=LINUX, Linux Bootstrap
        menuitem=TLINUX, Linux Bootstrap (test kernel)

        [LINUX]
        SHELL=C:\BOOTLIN.COM LINUX

        [TLINUX]
        SHELL=C:\BOOTLIN.COM TLINUX

        [NORMAL]
        ...regular DOS config.sys stuff goes here...

The "SWITCHES=/F" tells DOS not to wait three seconds displaying that
"Starting MS-DOS" message before it continues processing config.sys
(I bet a lot of people thought that it was doing something profound
at that point, like calibrating timers or something...nope!  It's
just giving you time to admire that message!)

Backups are currenlty handled by Linux and my Macintosh.  Since Linux
can read DOS and OS/2 partitions, I do backups by making a compressed
tar archive from Linux, and then I ftp that to my Mac, where it can
either just sit there, or get copied to tape, depending on what my
disk usage is like on the Mac.  I haven't done enough with FreeBSD
to warrant doing a backup, but I'll probably back it up when needed
the same way, except I'll do it from FreeBSD rather than from Linux.

Here are some tips.  First, when you are thinking of installing multiple
operating systems, make a chart that answers the following for each OS:

        1. Can it live on the second disk?  If not, can it at least be
        mostly there, or must is be all on the first disk?  (Answers:
        OS/2, Linux can live on the second disk, I don't know about
        DOS.  I suspect that FreeBSD wouldn't mind, but the installation
        script refused to consider the possibility).

        2. Does it need a primary partition, or can it live in an
        extended partition?  (Answers: I believe that OS/2 and Linux
        can live in extended partitions, although I gave them primaries.
        I think DOS needs to boot from a primary.  I don't know about
        FreeBSD).

        3. Does the OS care about cylinders past 1023?  (Answers: Linux
        does not.  I don't know about the others).

        4. How can it be booted?

Linux seems to be the most flexible.  It can live anywhere, doesn't care
about cylinder limits, and can be booted in many ways (e.g., make it active,
boot it from boot manager, install LILO (which has a zillion configurations),
or boot it throught DOS).

The boot issue is one to watch out for.  Even if the OS has no trouble
with extended partitions or the second disk or living past 1023, the
boot code might.  For example, boot code that uses BIOS probably can't
deal with an OS that lives past 1023.  You'll need to put a small boot
partition for that OS somewhere that meets the requirements of the boot
program, or make other arrangements (e.g., like I do with bootlin).

One more thing to watch out for.  If you are installing multiple operating
systems, you've probably got an fdisk from each one.  You really should
only install an OS in a partition created by the OS's fdisk.  I created a
DOS partition from Linux.  DOS likes to have its partitions start on a
track boundary (e.g., the rest of the track that contains the partition
map is not used).  Linux doesn't care where they start, and so Linux
fdisk by default does *NOT* skip to the start of the next track.  I'm
not sure quite what happened next, but I somehow was able to xcopy from DOS
all my files into that new partition, repartition my first disk (the new
partition was on the second), and then boot DOS from a floppy with the
intention of restoring all those files I had copied to the second disk,
and only then did DOS decide that it did not like that second disk.
(I figureout out what was wrong, and was able to fix things by simply
changing the partition map so that it said the partition started at a
track boundary, and then shifting the whole filesystem up by 62 blocks.
This sort of thing is not for the timid.  I learned to respect that warning
in the Linux documentation about only using Linux fdisk for making Linux
partitions!).

--Tim Smith

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