Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #728
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:13:34 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #728, Volume #2                 Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:13:34 EDT

Contents:
  Looking for small emacs-like editor source (Jesus Ramos)
  Anybody seen the September issue of BTYE? (Orhan Unal)
  Upgrading Slackware releases (Dan Swartzendruber)
  Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Robert Logan)
  laptop or notebook compatibilities (Florence Pagani)
  Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Alan Cox)
  Re: dynamic loading vs. dynamic linking (Kai Petzke)
  Pine config ([email-masked])
  Yggdrasil ([email-masked])
  New DIP release (last for this month :-) (Uri Blumenthal)
  [FWD]: Extendible Drawing program Ipe 5.0 available (Uwe Bonnes)
  Re: xxx to fig converter (R.W.F. van der &)
  Video Drivers (David Cowan)
  Will a math coprocessor REALLY help? (David Cabot)
  Re: Looking for cheap DC-6525 tapes (525MB) (Janos Szamosfalvi)
  XFConfig for 1.2.0 distribution?? (Eric Martin Ort)
  Re: Virus checker software for Linux. (Kai Petzke)
  Re: 1.1.35ish-1.1.40 break sound, 1.1.42 fixes, 1.1.43 breaks hard (Maciej Otreba)
  DOOM (Re: 320x200 X resolution?) (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  "Partition X is extended.  Delete it" ?!?!?!?!?! (Alex Ramos)
  A little advice (Eric L. Miller)
  Re: Compaq Ethernet adapter driver (Klaus R. Liedl)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)

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From: ramos@brixton (Jesus Ramos)
Subject: Looking for small emacs-like editor source
Date: 8 Sep 1994 20:21:10 GMT

I'm looking for sources to a small emacs-like editor(something like micro-emacs)
or jove. Essentiall, I'm looking for something small and friendlier than vi.
I want to bould this for my sun at work. I have jove at home(linux), but it's
binaries only :(

If you can point me as to where I can find any of these(or something similar),
I would very very grateful.

THanks

Jesus Ramos

[email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Orhan Unal)
Subject: Anybody seen the September issue of BTYE?
Date: 8 Sep 1994 18:18:21 GMT

Has anybody read the article "Power of Cooperation" 
by J. Bruce Dawson on Linux in September issue of BTYE magazine-page
167-168. Check it out. It's a good article IMO. I don't have the magazine 
at my finger tips, but from memory I'll quote a couple of remarks from
the article. 
...
"Linux is not a bare-bones Unix clone. There is plenty of meat."
...
"Linux has become what the Internet community wanted: a robust, freely
available environment that has all the features of many commercial 
versions, but with the openess and cooperative spirit of the early days 
of Unix. It's anarchy at its best."
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From: [email-masked] (Dan Swartzendruber)
Subject: Upgrading Slackware releases
Date: 9 Sep 1994 14:56:23 GMT

I'm running Slackware 1.2 with the standard 1.0 kernel, and want to
upgrade to Slackware 2.0, since I've been told that will allow me to
configure and install later 1.1.X kernels, which have a host of fixes
for various networking bugs/problems.  I'm basically looking for hints
and tips as to the best way to proceed (I've already got all of the
relevant directories such as a1, a2, etc sitting on a separate disk
partition, from whence I can install packages).  Do I need to install
everything?  All I really care about is being able to run 1.1.X kernels,
which seem to be incompatible in certain respects (networking syscalls,
inits respawning too fast, etc), so is there some subset of packages I
can install without need to go through the whole works?  Are there issues
with new versions of shared libraries?  Do I have to track down and save
all the various configuration files I've laboriously modified over the
last few months, or does the Slackware upgrade process leave these be?

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Dan S.

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Logan)
Subject: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect.
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 12:54:45 GMT

Yes, Linux DOOM is out  and its superb - as smooth
as in DOS and just as tasty. Much appreciation to
Dave Taylor for the work in the port - I can now
Dump DOS...

It can be found on sunsite in /pub/Linux/Incoming/linxdoom.tgz

there is also a lsm entry - total only 170k in size.

Youll need to remap some keys under fvwm to shoot and run at the
same time - otherwise, this game illustrates the power of Linux
and iD.

Thanks again,

bert

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From: [email-masked] (Florence Pagani)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: laptop or notebook compatibilities
Date: 9 Sep 1994 14:07:15 GMT

Hi,

        I have found in the "LINUX HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY LIST"
3 notebooks or laptop computers : 

        - Compaq LTE386s/20 (Notebook) (using XFree 1.2)
        - Compaq Contura 3/25 (25 MHZ 386 SL notebook with VGA type 
                        grayscale screen and 120 MB hd.)
        - Toshiba 1850 laptop

My question is : Is there another (or more) possibility ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would like to buy a "notebook or laptop" computer, unless it is not 
copatible with LINUX. (In this case, I would prefer buy a conventional 
PC). 

Thanks in advance, 

                Florence.

PS : What's the difference between laptop and notebook ??? 
      In french, we have only one word to say that.

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect.
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:37:03 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Robert Logan) writes:
>Yes, Linux DOOM is out  and its superb - as smooth
>as in DOS and just as tasty. Much appreciation to
>Dave Taylor for the work in the port - I can now
>Dump DOS...

Umm it seems to be unplayable on standard ISA video cards - even the better
dumb ISA cards. Anyone running it with an ISA S3 card and a 8Mb 386DX40 and
want to give a performance report since I need a new video card anyway.

On local bus 486 its neat... Just waiting for Xfree863.1 320x200 video
support now.

>Youll need to remap some keys under fvwm to shoot and run at the
>same time - otherwise, this game illustrates the power of Linux
>and iD.
Someone want to post these and do the DOOM-HOWTO ?

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: dynamic loading vs. dynamic linking
Date: 8 Sep 94 22:11:19 GMT

[email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:

>How difficult would it be to add dynamic loading, like what we find
>in the dlfcn.h interface found on many systems, to Linux?

It has already been done.  Take a look at the dld library, as found
on tsx-11 in /pub/linux/sources/libs.  The newest version, that I am
aware of, is 3.2.4.

Kai
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Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Pine config
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 17:53:59 GMT

I am having trouble getting pine to pick up my mail ( slip account)

Should I be looking in the pine configuration or my linex configuration files.

Pine will send mail with no problem.  a few hints is would be helpful.

Yes, I am going out today to pick up a system admin book for unix.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Yggdrasil
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:59:08 GMT

Does Yggdrasil have an anonymous FTP site and if so could someone please give 
it to me.

Tanks.....

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From: [email-masked] (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: New DIP release (last for this month :-)
Date: 9 Sep 1994 00:22:59 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, well... After a few more bug fixes, I've decided to
release the maintenance version 3.3.7i. Please hold your
fire until mid-October (I won't be available before
that anyways :-). I believe this release is fairly
safe (looks like all/most of the bugs of 337[gh]
are squashed now).

But I do suggest you upgrade to "dip337i.tgz", which will
appear on sunsite today or tomorrow...
--
Regards,
Uri.            [email-masked]     N2RIU
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From: [email-masked] (Uwe Bonnes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: [FWD]: Extendible Drawing program Ipe 5.0 available
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:33:58 GMT

Otfried Schwarzkopf ([email-masked]) announced following drawing-editor
in comp.lang.postscript. He also reports, that he was not able to compiled
the program with g++. Is there any programmer with the Motif-libray and
g++-experience willing to try to port the program to linux. And supply to the
linux-community a version with a static linked motif-library? I think, many
people will be gratefull to him!

> Ipe 5.0 is now available. It should run on any machine running X11.
> You do, however, need a color monitor to use this version of Ipe.  To
> compile Ipe, you need a C++ compiler and the Motif library (and g++
> has so many bugs that you will have a hard time trying to use it.)
> I'm supplying binaries for a few architectures (SGI, HP 7xx series,
> Sun Sparcstations).

> Ipe is a drawing program like xfig, idraw, or jpdraw, but more so:

> -- Ipe fully supports LaTeX text in your drawings: You see the Latex
>    source code in the Ipe window, but Ipe can show you a second window
>    showing the drawing as it looks printed. Ipe will also show you
>    a bounding box for the text that is computed by Latex itself, so
>    you don't need to resort to trial and error to position text nicely.

> -- Ipe has context sensitive snapping. It's now very easy to draw
>    objects that share endpoints, that lie on other object's boundaries,
>    even to use intersection points between objects. You can easily
>    draw c-oriented polygons, or move objects in a direction parallel
>    to another object's edge.

> -- Ipe is extendible: You can write your own code to implement
>    functions that you would like in a drawing program and that are not
>    available in the Ipe kernel. You can put those functions in menus
>    and you can even give them a keyboard shortcut.
>    Some Ipe extensions that have already been written, by me and by
>    others, include
>       = computing Voronoi diagrams, even of higher order
>       = computing convex hulls
>       = clipping objects with respect to a clipping polygon
>       = computing Minkowski sums
>       = several functions on bitmaps

> -- Ipe stores drawings in a single file. This file is at the same time
>    a valid Encapsulated Postscript file, a TeX source file, and it
>    contains the information that Ipe needs to read it back. 

> -- You can include Ipe files in your LaTeX documents without any style
>    support. No worry that you forget to mail some obscure style file
>    to your colleagues when you send them an Ipe drawing.

> -- Ipe can import idraw and jpdraw drawings. So, even when you have a
>    huge collection of idraw drawings, there is no reason why you
>    shouldn't switch to Ipe, if you find that you prefer it. (It
>    wouldn't be difficult to do the same for xfig drawings, but I
>    haven't found any reason for doing that yet.)

> -- Ipe can also import arbitrary Postscript files. This means that you
>    can take any Postscript file created by some application, read it
>    into Ipe, edit it as you like it, change colors, add labels, etc.
>    (This doesn't work for bitmaps in the Postscript file, though.)

> -- Ipe comes with a manual (50 pages) that is also available on-line
>    on the world-wide web. 

> More information about Ipe is available on the world wide web at
> "http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/otfried/html/ipe.html", or by ftp from
> "ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/X11/Ipe/".

-- 
Uwe Bonnes  [email-masked]

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Subject: Re: xxx to fig converter
From: [email-masked] (R.W.F. van der &)
Date: 09 Sep 1994 15:28:31 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Trink Andreas) writes:
   Is there any possibility that xfig loads (imports) files with other formats
   than fig-format, e.g. hpgl, ps, eps, ... ?

   Thanks, Andi

Well, xfig can easily import eps. (click on the 'EPS' box and draw a
rectangle, in the menu that comes up, specify file/dimensions etc...)

Using any other formats (without using some conversion program(s) that
turn it into eps) is AFAIK not possible.

Roel van der Plank. [email-masked]
'Jeg heter ikke Linus, men jeg uttaler Linux som Linux likevel'.

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From: [email-masked] (David Cowan)
Subject: Video Drivers
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:26:31 +0000

Anyone know where I can get Diamond Viper SVGA Drivers for Linux ?
(P9000 Chipset I believe !)

Dave.

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From: [email-masked] (David Cabot)
Subject: Will a math coprocessor REALLY help?
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:23:51 GMT

I'm pinching pennies and want more out my machine.  Does Xfree86 and 
ghostscript/view use much floating point math?

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From: [email-masked] (Janos Szamosfalvi)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Looking for cheap DC-6525 tapes (525MB)
Date: 8 Sep 1994 18:29:01 GMT

Margaret S Voges ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Angelo Haritsis <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >Dear all,
: >
: >I am looking for a supplier to get *cheap* DC-6525 tapes (525Mb) 
: >in the UK.  Any suggestions?

: I'm also looking for DC-6525's or DC-6250's only I am in the US.

JEM sells a five pack of DC-6525's for $70 + S/H.   Their phone
number can be found in numerous computer magazines such as Computer
Shopper, etc.

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Martin Ort)
Subject: XFConfig for 1.2.0 distribution??
Date: 9 Sep 1994 15:50:02 GMT

I was wondering if there was a version of XFConfig available for those
of us using the 1.2.0 distribution

Eric

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Virus checker software for Linux.
Date: 8 Sep 94 22:25:27 GMT

[email-masked] (Jason Haar) writes:

>Unlike most systems, we seem quite happy to taken binaries from other 
>peoples systems and use them on ours - I'm a case in point. As the 
>producer of the binary distribution of sendmail-8.6.9, there are now X 
>systems out there running AS ROOT a binary that someone else compiled - 
>how do they know I can be trusted ;-)

Because you have something to loose.  If someone finds out, that you
put your private loophole into your sendmail binary, it is quite likely,
that this will be posted to comp.os.linux.announce.  That should make
your mail box nearly as full as that of Mr. Green Card.

Yes, we do trust.  With anything else, that runs on your PC, you trust
Microsoft, IBM, Novell, Borland, etc., etc.

Also, in general, you do not sell your life when running Linux.  So
even when you are fooled, the damage is lost data.  The same can happen
from a hard disk crash.

Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: motreba@lnx1 (Maciej Otreba)
Subject: Re: 1.1.35ish-1.1.40 break sound, 1.1.42 fixes, 1.1.43 breaks hard
Date: 9 Sep 1994 07:24:40 GMT

Andreas Helke ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Stephen Timson (stimson@lele-iri) wrote:
: : Has anyone else had problems with the sound under the recent kernels?  I
: : have a PAS16 that worked fine up unitl around 1.1.35 or so, and then until
: : 1.1.40 it would play a sound and then pause for a few seconds.  Modplayers
: : wouldn't work at all.  1.1.42 fixed the problem!.  Now with 1.1.43 trying to
: : play a sound brings down the whole system.

: The 1.1.43 kernel has a little typo in the sound drivers which brings the
: system down. /dev/audio works fine in 1.1.44 with a basic soundblaster card.

The 1.1.45 has the trouble with NFS between two Linuxes. What about next?

Maciej
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From: [email-masked] (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: DOOM (Re: 320x200 X resolution?)
Date: 9 Sep 1994 10:04:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Christopher Wiles) writes:

|> : P.S.  DOOM for X exists, and will hopefully be released soon.
|> 
|> Yeah ... fingering [email-masked] reveals the same message re: Linux 
|> port as it has for the last two months: "RSN!! RSN!!"
|> 
No longer, it seems? Today (Fri Sep  9 12:03:44 METDST 1994) it says:

 LINUX: An X version with 16-bit sound is running.  It'll likely
 perform like a dog on mortal systems, but it's very smooth on my
 DX/2 66.  At sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming/linxdoom.tgz.
 May be moved.  Remember: it was just for fun and is not supported.
 Do not send e-mail to tech support, please.

Poor sunsite....
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From: [email-masked] (Alex Ramos)
Subject: "Partition X is extended.  Delete it" ?!?!?!?!?!
Date: 5 Sep 1994 17:13:56 GMT

I was trying to tag my extended partition as something other than
"DOS Extended", just so DOS won't try to mess with it. So I type
"t" from fdisk, and this is what I get:

Command (m for help): t
Partition number (1-6): 4
Partition 4 is extended.  Delete it

Could someone explain please, what point is this message trying
to get across?

Thanks

--
Alex Ramos ([email-masked]) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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From: [email-masked] (Eric L. Miller)
Subject: A little advice
Date: 9 Sep 1994 19:51:52 GMT

Hello,

I hope that this is the the appropriate place to post.  If
not, allow me to appoligize right off.  Anyway, I am
interesred in installing linux on my PC and before I go
through the bother I was wondering if my current setup will
yield reasonable performance.  I have a 486-33 with 8 Mb of
memory and one hard drive split in a C and a Stacked D drive. 
I plan to get another drive (500Mb) for linux which I will
slave off of the first.  I want to keep the forst drive for
DOS/Windows stuff.  First, given this hard drive
configuration, will there be a problem installing linux and
XFree86.  I have read the installation guide and things seem
pretty straightforward.  I was just wondering if anybody with
this setup has encountered any major difficulties.  Second,
will my 8Mb of memory be adequate to allow me to open up an
emacs window, an xterm for processing latex, and a dvi
previewer?  Specifically, will my system crawl as I try to
process latex documents?  This is probably the most intensive
processing I will need to do.  For now I have no plans to do
any major code development.  Finally, are there any
communications applications out there on the net for dialing
into work etc. ?

Thanks in advance and please email me any replies.

Eric Miller
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Klaus R. Liedl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.programmer
Subject: Re: Compaq Ethernet adapter driver
Date: 9 Sep 1994 19:24:51 GMT

Anders Ostling ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi all

: I wonder if somebody has hacked a driver for the built-in ethernet
: adapter in Compaq's new Pentium systems. I don't have the name or model
: handy, but I don't figure that there could be too many variants of these
: new beasts...

: Please mail any helpful information.

: Thanks
: Anders

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The next problem you will be facing is the onboard-SCSI-adapter,
that does not use a NCR-Chipset but a chip-set from AMD
(as far as I can judge).

The QVision2000 (with the Matrox MGAII) Chip is supported the
earliest from XFree3.2 on. (that was the rumour on the net)

So until XFree3.2 the only possibility to get X running
is a server from a company called xinside ...
(If you manage to get the machine running under linux ...)

Please tell me if I am wrong ( I am fighting myself with
a XL 566 ...)

Klaus
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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 9 Sep 1994 04:03:24 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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