Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #736
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:18:27 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #736, Volume #2                Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:18:27 EDT

Contents:
  Re: How to find out available memory? (Alex Ramos)
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Orest Zborowski)
  Re: FTAPE...Im' soo close, yet so far???? (William Huang)
  Re: Monitoring TTY's .. (Tracy R. Reed)
  Re: Monitoring TTY's .. (Pete Deuel)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (Martin L. Smith)
  How to play .au file? (Ming Y Haung)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Dances With Geeks)
  Maple V proted to Linux! (Bogdan Urma)
  Re: Linux DOOM for X released (Scott Howard)
  Re: Pine 3.90 (Carlos Dominguez)
  Re: Linux DOOM comments... (Thomas E Zerucha)
  GIF/JPG viewer (Tracy R. Reed)
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Christopher Wiles)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (Steven R. Clark)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI v (Steven R. Clark)
  Re: memory above 16Mb ? (Mark Stockton)
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Terence S. Murphy)

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From: [email-masked] (Alex Ramos)
Subject: Re: How to find out available memory?
Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:48:48 GMT

Ivica Rogina ([email-masked]), quoted out of context, wrote:
> How can I find out how much physical memory is left for some process to use.
> Depending on the shell under which a program is running, it can allocate up to
> 3 gigs of memory. Trying to access them just makes the process eat up 
> swap pages and almost stop the entire system. Is there a way how malloc() will
> return no more then RAM + SWAP - ALREADY_USED_BY_OTHER_PROCESSES ?
> When fooling around with malloc(), I can even cause segmentation faults and
> similar errors without ever doing anything illegal. This behaviour of the
> system is really annoying, since I'd like run quite big processes without
> paralizing my entire machine.

I suggest using the shell builtin "limit" or "ulimit" to tell the process
how much memory you want it to use. Of course said process would have
to handle failure of malloc() in a sensible manner.

--
Alex Ramos ([email-masked]) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Orest Zborowski)
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:35:16 GMT

>       So.... 320x200 resolution anyone? :)
>I'll post if I figure out how to do it.

I have a laptop that I run in 640x480 using XF86_VGA16 and a small enough
font that I don't notice the cramped resolution. Works like a champ.

For running DOOM, I use the XF86_SVGA server and chipset "generic"
with a stock VGA 320x200 modes line:
"320x200"       25      320 344 376 400         200 204 206 225

You can simply run the server, without any clients, and start linuxxdoom
on a VT. Looks very nice!

-orest

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From: [email-masked] (William Huang)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: FTAPE...Im' soo close, yet so far????
Date: 9 Sep 94 02:51:44 GMT

.... OK .... this must be a stupid question but after working for an
hour I give up ...

I just installed Slackware 2.0,  kernel version 1.0.9, ftape version
0.9.10 (I think ... theres a *0.9.10.patch file in my /boot
directory).  It would not work unless I'm root. Then I chmod a+rw
/dev/ftape from root.  It then worked once, and then no more.  There
must be an obvious answer to this .... thanks in advance for your
help.

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From: [email-masked] (Tracy R. Reed)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Monitoring TTY's ..
Date: 9 Sep 1994 02:50:53 GMT

Alpha / Omega Enterprises ([email-masked]) wrote:
:     There is some software available for this, but I have found a quick 
: way to monitor access is to login as that user and then press the up 
: arrow key.  Keep pressing it, and it will show you all of the commands 
: that the particular user executed in their last session.  Of course it 
: will not monitor what they did in different editors, and mail programs, 
: but it is better than nothing.

If seeing the commands the user issued is what you want, just patch the 
accounting patch into your kernel. It works quite nicely on my machine. 
Now I have to write some perl scripts to condense all of the info.

=============================================================================
Mr. Tracy Reed         |Every artist is a cannibal.| Why did dad cry 
San Diego State Univ.  |Every poet is a thief.     |  when I gave him
Aerospace Engineering  |All kill their inspiration |  Willmaker 1.0?
[email-masked] |And sing about their grief.|
[email-masked]      |-U2 IRC-Maelcum /me smiles |  
=============================================================================

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From: [email-masked] (Pete Deuel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Monitoring TTY's ..
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 02:55:50 GMT

>: way to monitor access is to login as that user and then press the up 
>: arrow key.  Keep pressing it, and it will show you all of the commands 
>: that the particular user executed in their last session.

>that is if you know their password ;-) instead try as 'root' to look at their
>.bash_history file in their $HOME directory.

Nah.  root don't need no stinking password!  Just "su" to the other user as 
root..  I can't however confirm whether up arrow works, though.

I wouldn't even ttysnoop!

Pete

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     "Actually, I'm a lab mouse on stilts..."

     E-mail:  [email-masked]
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: [email-masked] (Martin L. Smith)
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:37:02 GMT

It's unfortunate that this topic has generated so much heat.  I can't
claim to know what was in anyone's mind while posting a note but the
tenor of the accusations that appear to be flying in this thread is
wildly incongruous with the open, helpful, discreet role the
Novellistas in this group, and specifically including Martin (with
whom I share only an accidental common name, unless of course he was
named after me), have played.
-- 
Martin L. Smith   New England Research, Inc.      (802) 296-2401
                  76 Olcott Drive                 (802) 296-8333 fax
[email-masked]    White River Junction, VT 05001

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From: [email-masked] (Ming Y Haung)
Subject: How to play .au file?
Date: 11 Sep 1994 00:37:03 GMT

Is there any utility like sun's "play" to play .au file?  The quality
of directly cat .au file to /dev/audio is not so good.

Thanks!

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From: [email-masked] (Dances With Geeks)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: 11 Sep 1994 00:12:11 GMT

On 8 Sep 1994 00:21:55 GMT, Joe Buck ([email-masked]) wrote:

> [email-masked] (Dances With Geeks) writes:
> >There are licensing problems in the standard GNU approach,
> >again IMO, involving the linkage of libraries into applications.  I'm not
> >saying the GNU approach is wrong, just that it's not as open as it might
> >be.

> If there are licensing problems in the GNU approach, then Linux suffers
> from them.  The kernel is under the GPL, the C library is under the LGPL,
> certain key files always linked in, like libgcc.a and crt0.S have special
> exceptions to avoid bringing whole applications under the GPL.  These
> statements are true of both Linux and the future Hurd.  There is no
> difference, Linux is using every single GNU licensing convention exactly
> as the FSF intended.

Well, note that certain additional disclaimers have been added in the
kernel.  I think it's a key point.

> The only difference I can see is attitude: the FSF people talk about
> software hoarders, grumble a lot but then adjust their licenses where
> needed (example: the stream classes in libg++ moved from the LGPL to the
> "as a special exception" no-restrictions license), and the Linux people
> are more relaxed about the whole thing.  But legally, it's *exactly* the
> same: if you have problems with the GNU licensing approach you'll need
> to abandon Linux and join up with the BSD folks.

I believe, even more than the legal issues (and they are there,
indiscriminate application of an unmodified GPL or LGPL would certainly
bring them out), I do have problems with depending on the "largesse" of the
FSF people to somehow always make exceptions.  It's a bad idea.  Having the
FSF "take over" Linux, or WINE, or what-have-you, conveys no real advantages
and has the disadvantage of involving what might be well on its way towards
becoming a software bureaucracy.  No offense intended to anyone.  :)

lilo

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From: [email-masked] (Dances With Geeks)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: 11 Sep 1994 00:23:25 GMT

On Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:22:06 GMT, Matt Welsh ([email-masked]) wrote:
> In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Dances With Geeks) writes:
> >There are licensing problems in the standard GNU approach,
> >again IMO, involving the linkage of libraries into applications.  I'm not
> >saying the GNU approach is wrong, just that it's not as open as it might be.

> Sorry, but you're stuck with the "GNU approach" (whatever that means)
> because you use software and libraries covered by the GPL. Any "problems"
> perceived with GNU software applies equally to Linux.

Sorry, but you're wrong.  The Linux kernel, for example, adds additional
disclaimers which modify the GNU-format license it is used under.

Also, a GNU license which is owned by FSF would be enforced by FSF (at least
FSF would attempt to enforce its license as it saw fit, which could
certainly be a nuisance at times, and which would probably change the
emphasis of Linux licensing.).

> RMS's idea (which I have heard first-hand) is that Linux systems
> should be considered GNU systems with Linux as the kernel. This
> might be an over-generalization, but you get the idea. Linux systems
> don't use exclusively GNU software, and don't adhere 100% to the
> GPL ideal. However, the _guts_ of the system (kernel, libraries,
> all of the basic and no-so-basic binaries, and so forth) are all 
> covered by the GPL. Most of these were developed by the GNU project.
> Why shouldn't GNU receive recognition for this? RMS is simply stating 
> the status quo in a different way. 

GNU software *has* received recognition for being GNU software. 
Nonetheless, the Linux itself was not written by FSF, has a modified GPL,
and could be packaged in a distribution which did not include FSF software
(and, I think, has been, at early stages of its development).  It would
still remain Linux.  FSF software without Linux would just be, um, FSF
software, wouldn't it? ;)

I have no problem with RMS stating his views in any way he sees fit. 
Nonetheless, I believe too close an association with FSF would not
especially profit Linux.

> The Debian Linux Association is working with the FSF in order to
> develop a good working relationship with them, as well as to
> assist each other through shared resources. Case in point: I'm
> going to Cambridge (perhaps next week) to install Debian on a machine 
> on the FSF's network. The GNU project has donated the machine and 
> network connectivity for Debian's use---something that we can all 
> benefit from. 

That's nice.  I'm sure everyone will benefit from the competition, as long
as we don't all decide that all we need is One Really Good Distribution.  :)
:)

> Calm down. The FSF isn't the Borg. They are not out to assimilate Linux. 

Oh, I'm perfectly calm.  Thank you for your solicitous interest *innocent
look*. ;)

> M. Welsh

lilo

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From: [email-masked] (Bogdan Urma)
Subject: Maple V proted to Linux!
Date: 9 Sep 1994 21:29:37 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 17:24:32 -0400
X-PH: [email-masked] (Cornell Modified) 
From: "Stefanie Dietrich" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: FWD>Maple for Linux
To: "Bogdan Urma" <[email-masked]>
X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0
Status: RO

 Waterloo Maple Software         RE>FWD>Maple for Linux

Dear Bogdan,

Waterloo Maple Software has just completed the port of Maple V Release 3 to
Linux.  It is expected that the product will be available for shipping at the
end of September 1994.

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Date: 9/9/94 09:15 AM
To: Stefanie Dietrich
From: Info general
======================================
Date: 9/6/94 11:12 AM
From: Bogdan Urma
    I wanted to know what the status of the Maple V port to Linux is. Do you
have any info on that?

Thanks,
Bogdan Urma
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 10:30:08 GMT

DAVID L. JOHNSON ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, David Taylor <[email-masked]> writes:
: >[There goes the neighbourhood. --mdw]
: >
: >DOOM v1.666 for Linux using X is available at:
: >
: >     sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming/linxdoom.tgz
: >
: >The .lsm is also there.  Read it before downloading.  Both of these
: >may be moved if the sysadmin discovers them.  If you don't already
: >have the DOS v1.666 data file, it's at the same place but called
: >doom1wad.tgz.

: This doesn't sound particularly legal.

The wad file is the shareware version, and thus is fully legal. If you're
worried at all about legalities, maybe you should look at who made the
original post - I'm sure he's about the last person who would upload ID's
commercial stuff anywhere!!

  Scott.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Carlos Dominguez)
Subject: Re: Pine 3.90
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 02:07:36 GMT

Benjamin Alman ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Does anyone know where I can get Pine 3.90 for Linux? 

ftp.cac.washington.edu 

: please respond via email, thanks! 

but what if someone else has the same question??

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas E Zerucha)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM comments...
Date: 11 Sep 1994 00:49:14 GMT

Pixel doubling doesn't work.  Sound is fine (and in stereo!).
But no music?  I have a synth, and I can play things through /dev/midi,
so would it be too much trouble to add this?
---
[email-masked] - main email address

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From: [email-masked] (Tracy R. Reed)
Subject: GIF/JPG viewer
Date: 11 Sep 1994 00:43:07 GMT

Can somebody point me towards a good GIF/JPG viewer?

I know XV can do it, I really want something that will quickly display a 
number of images in slideshow fashion. XV requires that you start a new 
XV or shutdown the current one to load a new picture. And I don't want 
all of those images in RAM at once, which is what happens when that 
method is used. Just a quick and dirty slideshow program.

--

=============================================================================
Mr. Tracy Reed         |Every artist is a cannibal.| Why did dad cry 
San Diego State Univ.  |Every poet is a thief.     |  when I gave him
Aerospace Engineering  |All kill their inspiration |  Willmaker 1.0?
[email-masked] |And sing about their grief.|
[email-masked]      |-U2 IRC-Maelcum /me smiles |  
=============================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Christopher Wiles)
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 02:43:39 GMT

[email-masked] (Sam Oscar Lantinga) writes:

:       Does such a thing exist?  

Good God, why?!?

: How would I go about finding the dot-clocks, etc for this resolution?
: Does XFree86 3.1 have it?  Where can I get it?

Well ... I suppose you could use the monitor config spreadsheet at 
sunsite (/pub/Linux/X11 is the closest I can point you ... sunsite is 
still down).  Plug in the rez and you'll get timings.

: P.S.  DOOM for X exists, and will hopefully be released soon.

Yeah ... fingering [email-masked] reveals the same message re: Linux 
port as it has for the last two months: "RSN!! RSN!!"

Seriously, IMHO Doom will probably be more useable in the promised 
pixel-doubling mode than in a straight 320x200.  Easier to make things 
look innocent when the boss walks in ... "Hey, you're not actually 
_working_ in 320x200, are you?"

-- Chris

[email-masked]   [email-masked]   [email-masked]
       "... but I want to use all eight comm ports SIMULTANEOUSLY!"
   PGP 2.6 public key available by finger for the clinically paranoid.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: [email-masked] (Steven R. Clark)
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 03:34:06 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked], [email-masked] (Martin Sohnius) writes:
> Thomas Tonino ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : As regarding the making availabele of a 'copy to illegaly copy'
> : wordperfect for Linux on Sunsite, I might want to call to your
> : attention that in the past Wordperfect Netherlands approach to
> : piracy has been something like 'It helps us sell'....
> 
> : So... maybe it would be a good idea... but it should look less official I think.
> 
> I would have my doubts whether Novell-Wordperfect Inc. still has
> this attitude.  Why don't you try?  (But I would recommend a VERY good
> legal insurance policy first.)
> 
> --
>                         +--------------------------------------------+
> Martin Sohnius          | "It doesn't matter whether the cat is      |
> Novell Labs Europe      |  black or white, as long as it catches     |
> Bracknell, England      |  mice."      - Deng Xiaoping               |
> +44-1344-724031          +--------------------------------------------+
>                         (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)

They are definately NOT interested in allowing people to pirate their software.
They are also not interested in porting WP to Linux either. We have offered to
help .. official word is .. don't call us, we'll call you .. and we were willing
to pay for it too ...

Steven R. Clark
President, South Australian Linux Users Group
---
Steven R. Clark      clark@(cs.flinders.edu.au|(cyberia|cleese).apana.org.au)
 I am returning this otherwise good typing paper to you because someone has
        printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top.
               -- English Professor, Ohio University

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: [email-masked] (Steven R. Clark)
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI v
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 03:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked], [email-masked] (Andreas Helke) writes:
> Thomas Tonino ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : As regarding the making availabele of a 'copy to illegaly copy'
> : wordperfect for Linux on Sunsite, I might want to call to your
> : attention that in the past Wordperfect Netherlands approach to
> : piracy has been something like 'It helps us sell'....
> 
> 
> : So... maybe it would be a good idea... but it should look less official I think.
> 
> I think the original idea was a unsuported but free version recompiled to be
> a linux only binary. This might indeed be a valuable marketing tool for the
> commercial unix versions.
> 
> Andreas
> --
> 
> Andreas Helke
> 
> Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
> Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
> 69122 Heidelberg, Germany

Novell are not even interested in a commercial version of WP for Linux .. at least
they were not when we asked them.

src, pres: SAustLinuxUsersGroup
---
Steven R. Clark      clark@(cs.flinders.edu.au|(cyberia|cleese).apana.org.au)
 I am returning this otherwise good typing paper to you because someone has
        printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top.
               -- English Professor, Ohio University

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Mark Stockton)
Subject: Re: memory above 16Mb ?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 00:46:36 GMT

Andre Addicks ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hello,

: We are trying to setup a Compaq systempro (486/33 Mhz) with 24 Mb internal
: memory. We compiled the kernel (1.1.45) with the option:
: 'Limit memory to low 16MB' CONFIG_MAX_16M n
: Still after booting Linux finds no more than 16Mb. Kernel message:
: "Memory 15004k/16256k available (652 kernel code, 384 reserved, 216k data)
: Anybody knows where to find the lost 8Mb ?

: Thanks in advance,

: Andre Addicks.

First, make sure that your RAM is configured in "Linear Mode" as opposed
to "Comapaq Compatible Mode" in you EISA configuration.  Then edit
/usr/src/linux/init/main.c.  Locate the function start_kernel() and
hardwire the value of memory_end to 24*1024*1024.  Relink and reboot
and you should be all set.

MarkS
--
Mark Stockton
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Terence S. Murphy)
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Date: 10 Sep 1994 18:26:59 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
CLAYTON MICHAEL O'NEILL <[email-masked]> wrote:

>1)  I wish 8 bit sound sounded decent.  He makes a comment that if you 
>don't have 16-bit sound, you'll wish you did.  I don't and I do.

Does 8 bit sound work *at all*?  I have the Soundblaster Pro, and when
I start it up, it says, could not initialize 16 bit sound (or something
similar).  When I run sndserver by itself, it goes through and
says could not find certain 16 bits sound images in doom1.wad.  But it
does click the speaker.  It doesn't do that just with linuxxdoom.

In the post on comp.os.linux.announce (but nowhere else) there was
mention of a certain required sound driver.  Could this be the problem?
I assume this was just the kernel sound driver or was it additional
software?  I have all the latest kernels.

I really love the program, though, and I had never played the game before
yesterday.
-- 
Terry Murphy | Univ. of Illinois Freshman/CompSci major | "The whole world has
been made again" - Marillion  | There  ought to be  an alt.fan.linus-torvalds!

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