Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #739
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #739, Volume #2                Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have? (James Harper)
  Re: DOOM and Linux (Christopher Wiles)
  What is the *BEST* SCSI Tape Backup? (Matthew S. Crocker)
  color from ncurses on console (Greg Jarman)
  Re: splitted archives (Michael_Nelson)
  Re: Max size of SCSI HD? (Remy CARD)
  VESA/PCI Motherboard EIDE Video etc. (PAUL LESLIE STROPLE)
  deleteing lilo (Nilesh Sorathia)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? ("Jae W. Chang")
  Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why??? (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Xconfig for 320x200 or similar mode? (Mihail S. Iotov)
  "voice+data" without special hardware (Alex Ramos)
  Adaptec 294x support? (Donald R Lloyd)
  doom ???
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Joe Thomas)
  Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60 (Dan Pop)
  running x with Spea Mercury (VL) (Michael Seewald)
  Re: Which is the best Linux CD package? Of 2, Trans-Am... (Pete Deuel)
  Weird problems ( shutdown and mouse ) (Hsu Shu-Fu)

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Subject: Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have?
From: [email-masked] (James Harper)
Date: 9 Sep 1994 05:14:05 GMT

Elan Feingold ([email-masked]) wrote:

: > 15 min on a 486dx2 <what i'm upgrading to VERY soon>  And I think even
: > considering running X on a 386sx would be a nightmare...  

: Nawww... I've been doing serious X development work at home (Frisk, for those
: in the know) for months, with a 386/SX16 w/ 8Mb RAM + 24Mb Swap.  Sure, it's
: slower than the P90 then I'm hoping to upgrade to in a few months, but with
: my S3 video card it has worked fine for me.  Thanks Linus and others!!!

: Elan

I run linux on a 386SX25 with 4MB of ram, about 16MB of swap and it runs okay.
sure, it takes a goodly number of hours to recompile the kernal, but as far
as allowing me to do assignments from home in a unix environment it is great.
I actually did have X installed and although it swapped a bit more that I would
have liked it did run quite reasonably. I had to delete it tho as I needed
some more disk space.

LOON

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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
From: [email-masked] (Christopher Wiles)
Subject: Re: DOOM and Linux
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 01:32:24 GMT

[email-masked] (Larry Mulcahy) writes:

: I just tried it today on my 486/40 and performance was quite
: acceptable.  The graphics for the -2, -3 and -4 options were hosed
: though, unless this is supposed to be new Underwater Doom.

That's four messages so far that report that pixel doubling is trashed.

Gee, even though the README says "no bug reports," does anyone think iD 
can be convinced to fix this?

-- Chris

[email-masked]   [email-masked]   [email-masked]
       "... but I want to use all eight comm ports SIMULTANEOUSLY!"
   PGP 2.6 public key available by finger for the clinically paranoid.

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew S. Crocker)
Subject: What is the *BEST* SCSI Tape Backup?
Date: 11 Sep 1994 13:37:42 GMT

Howdie,

 I'm looking for the nets opinion,  I need to backup ~8 Gigs everyday
and I want it all to fit on one tape.  I have a AHA-1542CF SCSI-2
controller.  What is the best (read fastest, most compatible with
linux 1.1.45+)  Price really isn't an option, I can spend @$3000 for a
drive I was thinking 10GB DAT or 8mm, it doesn't really matter what
format, jsut as long as it works.

BW, 3Gigs of the 8 are on another machine, how should I back those up?
mount / ? and just tar it via NFS?  (3c509 ISA cards for the net).

STABILITY is VERY VERY important :)

E-mail replies  [email-masked]

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*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*OS/2*
 *linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*linux*

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From: [email-masked] (Greg Jarman)
Subject: color from ncurses on console
Date: 11 Sep 1994 13:58:33 GMT

Is there some trick to this?

Do I need to hack up the console termcap entry, or is it something
more sinister?

Thanks,
Greg.

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From: [email-masked] (Michael_Nelson)
Subject: Re: splitted archives
Date: 11 Sep 1994 14:00:25 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

->I hoped to get a printed manual for gcc and glibc.  In the faq I saw that
->I had to get the source for gcc and glibc, and get the manuals from there.
->I found gcc-2.6.0.tar.gz-slplit on ftp.uu.net, but how do I unpack
->splitted files? Or put them back to one big file.  

        You simply "cat" them together.  For instance, if you have:

        part01, part02, and part03, do a:

        cat part01 part02 part03 > gcc-2.6.0.tar.gz

        Make the "cat" list of parts so that it includes all the
        parts you have.

                                - Michael -

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From: [email-masked] (Remy CARD)
Subject: Re: Max size of SCSI HD?
Date: 9 Sep 1994 07:02:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Drew Eckhardt <[email-masked]> wrote:
] In article <[email-masked]>,
] John Saunders <[email-masked]> wrote:
] >Dale Elrod ([email-masked]) wrote:
] >> What is the max size that a single partition on a SCSI based hard drive?
] >
] >> I would like to place two 9 gig drives on my ftp server but want to be sure
] >> that Linux can handle this.
] >
] >Going by the partition table format you should be able to get 8 Gig from
] >a single drive. 
] 
] You can  access terrabyte drives under Linux, using the normal 
] partitioning scheme.  With Remy's changes to ext2, you can 
] even have 9 gigabyte partitions if you want.

        Note that you have to use Linux 1.1.46 or above for this.  Previous
versions of the kernel are not able to manage 2GB+ partitions because some
internal functions used some integer local variables to store the size of
a partition.  Linux 1.1.46+ also raises the ext2fs limit from 2GB to 2TB :-)

        You need a new version of mke2fs and e2fsck as well.  Old versions
(up to 0.5a) are not able to use 2GB+ filesystems.  Contact Ted Ts'o
([email-masked]) or me to get a snapshot of the new version.

] >a single drive. If the SCSI controller BIOS handles it, 8 Gig should also
] >If the SCSI controller BIOS handles it, 8 Gig should also
] >be usable under DOS. I think Linux is limited by the partition table
] >limitation. 
] 
] Linux ignores the H/C/S fields in the partition tables, and only 
] looks at the 32 bit flat addresses which don't have this problem.

        While the kernel itself does not care about H/C/S, fdisk seems to
enforce this restriction :(

                Remy

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From: [email-masked] (PAUL LESLIE STROPLE)
Subject: VESA/PCI Motherboard EIDE Video etc.
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 13:53:47 GMT

Yup, I'd say the Subject header says it all. I am looking at a PCI/VESA
local bus combo motherboard; it has 3 PCIs 3 VLBs and 2 ISAs. I have
read all the HOWTOs and monitored this group for quite a bit, but I
still have a few unresolved questions.

1) I read alot about PCI and Linux - mainly that with an (E)IDE hard disk
you will only get ISA through put. Does the Vesa, as it is extended ISA,
have better performance than PCI with IDE drives?

2) I am planning to buy an ATI GUP, or compatible Mach32. Does this unit work
in both PCI and VESA on Linux?

3) In general is it a waste to get the dual bus board (486DX2). I plan to use
Windows etc. but main concern is with Linux compatibility.  I figured that 
with the hard disk on one bus, and the video on the other, you would get
increased throughput as there would be no bus arbitration. As I under-
stand it, VESA will degrade in a linear fashion which each board installed
(the bandwidth is divided among active boards.) 

So much for theory! Would appreciate any comments and experiences (hold the
flames!)

Thanks,
Paul.

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From: [email-masked] (Nilesh Sorathia)
Subject: deleteing lilo
Date: 11 Sep 1994 03:00:03 GMT

Hi, I have two partitions on my system, one for DOS and one for linux.
I also have Lilo loaded up everytime when my computer boots up and it works
as it's suppose to, but now what I want to do is get rid of Lilo and I
can't seem to do that.
Does anyone know how I can get rid of Lilo?
I want it to boot up to just one system rather then prompting me to enter
the operating system.
Can someone please help me out?

Please e-mail me because I won't get a chance to read this news group.
Thanks
my e-mail address is [email-masked]

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From: "Jae W. Chang" <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: Fri,  9 Sep 1994 22:45:21 -0400

I'm using a PAS16 sound card, and the sound is all garbled. Anyone
have any success using the same sound card w/ doom?

Jae

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[email-masked] 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 02:45:03 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Philip Brown) writes:
>(for those of you who don't know, OS9 is by a company called micro_ware_, 
>and is vaguely unixlike in that it is preemptively multitasking,
>multiuser, and has a lot of i/o libraries fairly similar to the unix ones.
>OS9 is used by bigger companies like Philips (In the CD-I machines, even!)
>for real-time multitasking stuff.
>

I used it, at Phillips, for writing CD-I applications (I worked for 2 yrs 
for AIM, now PIMA.  The 1st demo disc in the store kiosks was mine if 
anyone saw it.)

Vaugely UNIX-like is the word.  This is not an OS9 area, so i wont go 
into details, but to call it real-time or multi-tasking is a joke.  There 
is NO way to get direct access to the interrrupts on a client level (and 
we were FORBIDDEN to write machine specific drivers by the CD-I 
specification.) The multi-tasking turns OFF every time you enter the 
kernel!  Yes, thats right, this so-called multi-tasking system has a 
non-re-entrant kernel.

In short, most of us actually programming CD-I felt OS9 was the second 
biggest CD-I mistake Philips made (the first was removing the bltters 
that were in the pre-release machines, thereby permenantly crippling its 
games ability.)  I wouldn't use the CD-I example as a selling point for 
OS9.  if you don't believe me, ask aroudn the CD-I programming 
community.  Its one of the few things we all agreed on.

>(a multitasking, modular kernel in less than 128k. You gotta be impressed
>by that)

Why should I be impressed?  UNIX was orginally developed and run on 64k 
LSI-11.  And it did a whole lot more a whole lot better.

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mihail S. Iotov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Xconfig for 320x200 or similar mode?
Date: 11 Sep 1994 03:18:56 GMT

[email-masked] (Christopher M. May) writes:

>It did, however, allow me to find a 320x240 video mode I can 
>use to play DOOM on my SONY CPD-1304 *Multiscan* monitor.

>After you cut the source from this article, and compile
>it, you can get a 320x240 mode with:

>xmode -dcf 12 -hsf 29.5 

>refresh rate for this mode: 28.26Hz
>percent of hfl used:        75.37%
>mode-name  dcf   hres hspstart hspend hfl  vres vspstart vspend vfl
>320x240    12    320  352      392    424  240  243      247    252

>I had to add some values to the vertical timing to correct
>some weird linearity problem on my monitor (top horiz lines spaced wider...)
>Of course this refresh rate is really low, (although it looks fine to me )

According to my math this refresh rate is 112Hz, so it whould not bother you
at all. What the xmode program 
prints out instead is the horizontal sync freq in kHz (which as you see is 
almost what you specified but not quite.) 

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From: [email-masked] (Alex Ramos)
Subject: "voice+data" without special hardware
Date: 9 Sep 1994 00:05:57 GMT

I have an idea, which I plan to implement soon unless someone writes
me saying it's already been done:

A daemon process waits around until my phone rings (this is detectable
on some/all modems). When that happens, it sends an "ats0=1" (turning
on auto-answer) to the modem, and spawns a (fax)getty on /dev/modem.

Then, 60 seconds later (if the phone has not rung again) or when the
user that dialed up logs out, whichever comes first, it turns off 
auto-answer and kills the getty. 

In case it isn't obvious why this is useful: It lets you have both a
(cheap, non data-aware) answering machine and a (cheap generic modem)
dialup/fax on the same line, without any special hardware. 

I'd appreciate to hear any comments, suggestions, or reality checks
you may have.

Thanks,
--
Alex Ramos ([email-masked]) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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From: [email-masked] (Donald R Lloyd)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Adaptec 294x support?
Date: 11 Sep 1994 11:16:15 -0400

I'm hoping to install Linux on a drive connected to an Adaptec
2940 series SCSI-2 controller (Adaptec's PCI SCSI controller), but
there doesn't seem to be support for it anywhere yet.  I've tried the
pre-alpha 2842 boot disk, but it doesn't recognize the 2942.

Is there a driver for this controller, or is anyone working on 
one?  I'd really hate to have to move my nice fast SCSI-2 drive over
to the 1520 controller on my SB16...

While I'm at it, what are my chances of finding video drivers to run
X on my VLB Stealth 24?

-- 
Don Lloyd    [email-masked]          "Mmmmmm.... floor pie."

Stuck using a PC, but still an Amiga guy at heart...

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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: doom ???
Date: 11 Sep 1994 03:37:00 GMT

I got doom for linux, pretty cool.  I have a few questions though.

1. It runs pretty choppy on my machine a DX33 with 20 meg of ram.
I am running xfree86 2.0.  I was wondering if anyone with a similar setup
got doom to run more like it does in dos?  At least movement wise (i.e. 
walking and shooting.)
2. If I register are the problems encountered in the version I have now 
corrected?  Such as pixed doubling, configurable keyboard, sound.

comment:  I have noticed that it does run better in twm and better still
in olwm than it does in fvwm.  This is unfortunate since I prefer fvwm.

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Thomas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Date: 11 Sep 1994 11:25:37 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Olli Vinberg <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Andreas Matthias <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>I have one that's working here (ET4000 with 17'' AOC monitor), but it
>>occupies only about half of the screen in vertical direction. I did
>>not find out how to make it bigger vertically. Perhaps someone else
>>can continue with this:
>>
>># name        clock   horizontal timing     vertical timing      flags
>>
>> "320x200"     25      320  360  424   440    200  200  240  250

>I seriously doupt that your monitor can handle that kind of
>refresh-rates.. Te above modedb-entry would mean a refresh-rate of
>250Hz!!! I tried to make a 320x200 too, and the closest I got was

Yeah, I've seen a few people post Xconfig entries for 320x200 that would 
have yielded refresh-rates of >250 Hz.  I hope people aren't blowing up 
their monitors out there.  I managed to come up with a 504x378 mode that 
works fine, and is about the best I can do while keeping my monitor under 
90 Hz, which is all it's spec'ed up to.

I also have a 360x270 mode that should work, but it needs a 12 or 12.5 
MHz dot clock.  My video card's manual says that it has 12.5 MHz dot 
clock that it uses for VGA 320x200 mode, but XFree86 2.1 doesn't find 
that clock when it does the probe.  The lowest one it finds is 25 MHz.  
Does anyone know a way to convince the X server to use a dot clock other 
than one it finds in the probe it does at startup?

(I added c.w.x.i386unix to the newsgroup line, and set followups back 
to c.o.l.misc.  For those just joining this thread, lots of people are 
looking for very low res X setups in order to run the recently released 
DOOM port for Linux.  I'm running XFree86 2.1 on Linux 1.0, with a Cirrus 
Logic CLGD 5426-based adapter (the MVGA-AVGA3VL) driving a CTX CMS-1561 
multiscan monitor.)

Joe
-- 
Joe Thomas <[email-masked]>           Say no to the Wiretap Chip!
PGP Public Key available by request, finger, or from [email-masked]
Key 01C3AADB fingerprint:  1E E1 B8 6E 49 67 C4 19  8B F1 E4 9D F0 6D 68 4B

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 15:24:36 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (C. Engelmann) writes:

>Harddisk-speed isn't that important in Linux. CPU-speed is definitely
>more valuable. If you could get more RAM it would be more difficult
>to decide. With 16 Megs you have almost no swapping to HDD.

How often do you do big compiles under X, with emacs active in another
window, on a 16 MB box?

Dan
--
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: [email-masked]
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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Date: 11 Sep 1994 03:36:00 +0200
From: [email-masked] (Michael Seewald)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: running x with Spea Mercury (VL)

Hallo!

Is there a way to configure XWindows so that it runs with a Spea Mercury  
(VL)?

Any help would be appreciated...

Ciao,
Michael

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Michael Seewald                              Usenet: [email-masked]
31134 Hildesheim (Germany)

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From: [email-masked] (Pete Deuel)
Subject: Re: Which is the best Linux CD package? Of 2, Trans-Am...
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 03:43:38 GMT

Well, my $.02:

I've used these 2:

     Yggdrasil Summer '94
      TransAmeritech vol 2 January 1994

Both were under $50, both have "live" versions so you can run part/all of 
Linux from the CD (bloody slow, I'm sure), both were fully featured

HOWEVER:  If I had to buy again, I'd get the TransAmeritech.  A downfall of 
their's is they haven't really updated their CD since we bought it (or we'd 
have bought the newer one again instead of Yggdrasil) put the 
"latest/greatest" stable kernel on, but then again, neither did Yggdrasil...  
I had to upgrade to 1.1.45 anyhow, 'cause I needed to use a 1.6 gig IDE.

Yggdrasil, while having a lot of nicities, was hardly the "Plug n play" that 
it claimed to be.  Trans-Ameritech went in first try as it was supposed to, 
and everything worked (including Email!)  The Yggdrasil summer disk had a pink 
leaflet (crammed in the back of the book by the time I found it) that 
described a bug in the install.  I fell for this bug twice before the leaflet 
fell out of the book.

Another problem:  I am using this on a machine with the ATI Mach 64, and I 
knew I'd need the alpha X server before running X.  From my trans-ameritech 
experience, I figured I'd hop on the net and bring it down.  NOPE; the only 
ways to set up the network are under X and by hand.  THIS SUCKS, especially 
when running under X is impossible.

SO, in trying to set up the net by hand, I learned this virtue: Yggdrasil puts 
files in weird places, and files are set up piecemeal--kinda sloppy.  This 
made it f**king difficult. I couldn't even look at another Unix box and say, 
"Oh, that's where xxx is"  What a pain in the ass.

And now, I'm still struggling to get smail going. TA's stuff worked right 
after the install and netconfig (a sh-based SHELL SCRIPT) (the smail log shows 
all stuff that goes off the machine as "via: yggdrasil" I've investigated 
routers.inet, but can't seem to make it work--anyone who knows the answer and 
can pass it on, E-mail me!)

So, that's why.  My next CD-based Linux will probably be Trans-Am, or very 
certainly not Yggdrasil anyway...

Pete
===================================================
     "Actually, I'm a lab mouse on stilts..."

     E-mail:  [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Hsu Shu-Fu)
Subject: Weird problems ( shutdown and mouse )
Date: 11 Sep 1994 16:03:32 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.help ]
[ Author was Hsu Shu-Fu ]
[ Posted on 11 Sep 1994 15:56:46 GMT ]

Hi:
     I have been having this problem since I installed slackware 2.0 kernel
1.0.9.. My shutdown doesn't reboot my system.. I have to push the reset 
button everytime.. The same problem happens under all kernel I have installed
from 1.0.9, 1.1.35, 1.1.36, ..., 1.1.50 .. Any suggestion is appreciated..
     Also I have weird problem between modem and mouse.. I have a superio card
( WINBOND ) with 2 16550a serial ports.. Under kernel 1.0.9, modem and mouse
can work together.. But under kernel 1.1.* , the mouse dies whenever a modem
connection is established.. I have modem on port 1 and mouse on port 2.. If I
switch the ports ( modem on port 2 , mouse on port 1 ), then the mouse dies
whenever modem is ** turned on **.. The same situation happens under dos..
I am confused whether this is a OS problem or a SuperIO card problem.. I am
thinking of buying another serial card for my mouse if it will solve this
problem.. Any idea, clue, suggestion is much apprciated..
      Thanks a lot..

--
[email-masked]                      Hsu, Shu-Fu

--
[email-masked]                      Hsu, Shu-Fu
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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