Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #741
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 21:15:45 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #741, Volume #2                Sun, 11 Sep 94 21:15:45 EDT

Contents:
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Jeff Epler)
  Linux X Doom is out! (Peter Schoenmaker)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Matt Welsh)
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (H. Peter Anvin)
  Linux DOOM comments... (Skip)
  Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60 (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Does Linux save boot msgs to a file (Leonard101)
  Re: Is 2 MB enough for an ISDN router (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: 480x360 Res works for me. (Paradox)
  Linux DOOM is very impressive! (Rene Baart)
  Doom Music + PAS-16 (Christopher M. May)
  Ultrastore 34F vs Adaptec 1542CF (Robert Ashcroft)
  Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Mr Robert J Logan)
  Re: Linux Doom comments. (Mr Robert J Logan)
  Re: linux-1.1.50 (Kris Van Hees)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (S. Joel Katz)
  Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors (Raul Deluth Miller)
  Re: 480x360 Res works for me. (Mihail S. Iotov)
  Re: Colorado Jumbo250 (Dennis Duffner)

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Epler)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: 11 Sep 1994 06:03:42 GMT

[email-masked] (Jeremy Bettis) writes:
>How can I run doom w/o a window manager though.. I haven't been able to yet.

Ditto that question.

WHen I have xinit simply start doom, the colormap of the doom window
never becomes active -- I get a black, and a white, and that's it.

So my 'minimal' setup for domo is to start doom and fvwm, and put the
mouse in that window.
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From: [email-masked] (Peter Schoenmaker)
Subject: Linux X Doom is out!
Date: 9 Sep 1994 19:01:11 -0700

Linux X doom is finally out!  I don't see any articles so  I thought you all should know!  I is awsome!
Peter

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:12:08 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Dances With Geeks) writes:
>On Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:22:06 GMT, Matt Welsh ([email-masked]) wrote:
>> Sorry, but you're stuck with the "GNU approach" (whatever that means)
>> because you use software and libraries covered by the GPL. Any "problems"
>> perceived with GNU software applies equally to Linux.
>
>Sorry, but you're wrong.  The Linux kernel, for example, adds additional
>disclaimers which modify the GNU-format license it is used under.

Those "disclaimers" don't relieve the fundamental problems that
people perceive with the GPL, namely, the fact that (a) source
mustg be provided, and (b) modifications must be copylefted as
well.

M. Welsh

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From: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Reply-To: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 19:24:01 GMT

Followup to:  <[email-masked]>
By author:    [email-masked] (Erik Olson)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
>
> Remember that even if you can get the refresh rates for 320x200 on your
> monitor, it's going to look really ugly!  Remember CGA?  That's 320x200.
> 
> When you use the normal PC VGA mode of 320x200, it's really 640x400 but with
> each pixel doubled in both directions.
> This is the key here.  Would be nice to have XFree hook
> into that particular VGA (MCGA) mode (ho ho ho), but now we can't expect
> the Xfree team to write something that has no purpose other than Doom,
> can we?
> 

Well, actually the XFree86 team says the MCGA mode will be in the SVGA
server of 3.1.  I also proposed in comp.windows.x.i386unix that they
add a "dualscan" flag that would set the pixel-doubling bit in the VGA
registers.

        /hpa
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From: [email-masked] (Skip)
Subject: Linux DOOM comments...
Date: 10 Sep 1994 02:21:24 GMT

Well, Linux DOOM is out, and I must say it is a definitely a good translation.
I don't want to sound picky, because we all owe Dave Taylor a great deal of
thanks for porting this for us on his own time, but I've encountered a couple
of problems.

(1)  Pixel doubling, etc., doesn't work right.  I think other people have had
     this problem.

(2)  Switching to low detail only halves the size of the screen.

(3)  Do the function keys work?

(4)  I'm not sure if there is supposed to be music or not.  Does anybody get
     music or only sound effects?

(5)  I think the control keys stick sometimes, messing up my character
     bigtime.

(6)  Is there any way to have DOOM use only the colors available instead of
     grabbing the entire colormap?  I assume this is possible through
     Xresources or something, but how?

And finally, anybody know how to write a program to intercept the 16-bit audio
and convert it to 8-bit?  :-)

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:40:52 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Justin Scott) writes:

>I would have to say that if it comes down to the point where you want the 
>Pentium, you would more than likely be wasting your time with an IDE... I 
>use a 1.2 gig SCSI at work on my SCO box, and a 212 meg IDE at home on my 
>Linux box, and I can notice a big difference in time (Of course there are 
>other factors involved, such as the SCO box at work is a Multi-Processor 
>486dx50 with 48 megs ram, and my comp at home is a 386sx16 with 5 megs 
>ram :) )

Your performance comparisons are only surpassed by John O'Brien's :-) :-)

Rob
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From: [email-masked] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:08:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Orc) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Matt Welsh <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>RMS's idea (which I have heard first-hand) is that Linux systems
>>should be considered GNU systems with Linux as the kernel.
>
>   Well, that certainly puts a new twist on the GPL.  An unpleasant
>one; GPLing things makes them part of the GNU project.

This is absolutely wrong. This viewpoint has nothing to do with
the fact that Linux is covered by the GPL. If you had bothered
to read my message, you would have known that. It has to do
with the fact that Linux systems use GNU software for nearly
all basic utilities, including the libraries.

>   No reason.  But since my first interpretation of RMS's idea is
>that the FSF will take credit for work they've not done, it seems
>like it's not the most politic way to ask for recognition.

The FSF is not taking credit for anything that they have not
done. What they HAVE done is provide a damn fine base upon
which to build a complete UNIX system such as Linux. Or did
believe that it was the Linux development team which wrote gcc,
libc, and the dozens of other software tools which your Linux
system depends upon to run?

M. Welsh

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From: [email-masked] (Leonard101)
Subject: Re: Does Linux save boot msgs to a file
Date: 11 Sep 1994 17:03:05 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
(Olav Kvittem) writes:

Most linux distributions are already configured to write the boot messages
   to /var/adm/syslog.

Hi,

    I have a syslog file in /var/adm that is 0 bytes in length... how do I
turn this logging function on?

   I am using the Slackware dist. from tsx-11.mit.edu and it reports Linux
0.99.15. (Posix). at bootup.

   From what I've been able to read so far I think I have to edit one of
the rc.* files... the last screenful of information contains quite a few
messages to the effect of:

   /etc/rc.d/rc.S: /sbin/mount: No such file or directory
   .
   .
   .

   When I login as root my darkstar:~# prompt contains a 'tilde' before
the # symbol.  If I ls -a I only get:

   ./  ../  .emacs  .less  .term/  linux@  .kermrc  .lessrc  INSTALL@

   If I do a dir I get:

   INSTALL -> /var/adm
   linux -> /usr/src/linux

   If I then do a cd / then ls produces what I think is a 'normal'  root
dir:

   bin/  dosc/ lib/  dev/  boot/  home/  etc/ ...  and the prompt looses
the 'tilde' character.

   Anyway, I'll be following this thread to see what develops in the way 
of assistance.

Thanks,

-Len [JAFU]

   

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From: [email-masked] (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Is 2 MB enough for an ISDN router
Date: 11 Sep 1994 23:20:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Mihail S. Iotov) writes:
|> Has anyone tried running linux with 2 MB to use it as a router only ?
|> I imagine for ISDN traffic even 386SX16 will be enough, but question is
|> about the memory. I have no 2MB PC at hand to check.

If you want a dumb ISDN router, buy one.
I'm going to sweat blood getting Linux ISDN to work - but I have special
reasons to want it that way (no net where it's going).

The cheapest ISDN router (in Europe) is probably a 286 box with a TeleS
card running ISPA and KA9Q. It does PPP, BONDING and lots of other junk.
I bet it will be *months* before ISDN Linux gets as functional as that.
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From: [email-masked] (Paradox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: 480x360 Res works for me.
Date: 11 Sep 1994 19:16:58 -0400

Steve VanDevender ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Daniel L Moore   ) writes:

:    DOOM runs fine, now to find solutions to the ctrl, alt - arrow keys
:    combinations, (my window manager takes over), and getting the sound
:    to work, probably need to upgrade my driver.

        Remember, Linux is a multi-user system, I found the easiest way
to get around this was to add a user in the database who's only purpose
in life was to boot X-Windows in a configuration to play doom ;)
        To get around the alt/ctrl problem, look through yer .fvwmrc
and take out all the definitions for those keys. Remember, the user is for
playing Doom and you don't need a full-fledged setup. I stripped it down
to almost nothing and get decent time on my 486/33 with 8 megs.
        -Paradox

        Ok, who wants to make a linux-based wad editor now? ;)

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From: [email-masked] (Rene Baart)
Subject: Linux DOOM is very impressive!
Date: 10 Sep 1994 09:21:38 GMT

I just ran DOOM on my 386/40 with a cheap (ISA) Cirrus VGA card.
I expected horrible performance, but it's only
a little bit jumpy, like a DOS game over a slow modem line.
DOOM runs just as it would under DOS, only now in an
X-window. Due to the small window size, the image is even somewhat
sharper now. 

All in all, this is something no Linux/X user should be without.
Even without high-end equipment, you really should see this!

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From: [email-masked] (Christopher M. May)
Subject: Doom Music + PAS-16
Date: 11 Sep 1994 21:10:54 GMT

Hi, Has anyone gotten the music to work in DOOM?

I've seen 1 person post with a SB16 who said it worked.

I thought doom was working perfectly, until I remembered there's
music too :)

My card passes the "fmtest" included in the sndkit.
(After I load the general midi patches... is this necessary?)

Also, do I have to compile in the MPU-401 support?

The PAS-16 emulates an MPU-401.

Is the DOOM code sensitive to Soundblaster IRQ?

Does the Music go out /dev/sequencer or /dev/midi, or /dev/dsp?

Finally, does anyone with a PAS-16 have music working?

THANKS DDT,  ID, and HANNU.  You're the greatest. Keep up the
great work.  I really appreciate the early release of Linuxxdoom.

--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Ashcroft)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Ultrastore 34F vs Adaptec 1542CF
Date: 11 Sep 1994 21:14:47 GMT

How do these two boards compare for ease of setup, use, etc with Linux?

The 34F is a VLB board, the 1542 is ISA.  Does that mean you get DMA
above 16MB on the 34F?

I noticed something about manually having to give the disk dimensions
in the case of the 34F while reading the SCSI HOWTO.

I know that Ultrastore has gone bankrupt.

Any comments about the advisability of swapping out my 1542 for a 34F?

Finally, if I were to do so, would the 34F need to read the data on
my harddisk as it stands, or would I have to do a backup of everything
first and then load stuff back on?

(of course I make backups anyway, but I'd rather not have to reload
Linux...)

RNA

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From: [email-masked] (Mr Robert J Logan)
Subject: Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect.
Date: 11 Sep 1994 23:36:43 GMT

Robert Logan ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Youll need to remap some keys under fvwm to shoot and run at the
: same time - otherwise, this game illustrates the power of Linux
: and iD.

AS for fvwm - Ive simply edited my .fvwmrc and commented out the
keyboard shortcuts at the bottom of the file - never used them
anyway (cos Id never tried). Works a treat.

bert

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From: [email-masked] (Mr Robert J Logan)
Subject: Re: Linux Doom comments.
Date: 11 Sep 1994 23:41:10 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: I have some problems also with the sound: I have been said that there is 
: no music only effects (to confirm) In fact, I just hear garbage.

more than me...

: The pixel doubling, tripling, etc blur the window.

fixed already - ddt mustve been watching.

: When using the Ctrl-Key (FIRE) at the same time than the arrows, I switch 
: to the other rooms (screens). The only way out of this is to run Olwm instead
: of fvwm or others mwm like.

comment out the shortcut keys at the bottom of your .fvwmrc

: I patched my registered version 1.2 to 1.666 but the file is not recognized
: by linuxxdoom.

Works fine for me - have you altered it for new wads at all?

bert
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 01:19:16 +0200
From: [email-masked] (Kris Van Hees)
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: linux-1.1.50

 [email-masked] (Omer Zak) writes:

 >Version 1.1.50 has been posted several several hours ago to ftp.funet.fi.
 >Before upgrading my PC from version 1.1.8 to 1.1.50 I would like to know
 >if anyone has already installed version 1.1.50 on his system and whether
 >there are any problems with it.

We installed 1.1.50 on our PS/2's (adding the locally developed tokenring
driver, and ESDI driver) and it runs smoothly.

Kris.

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From: [email-masked] (S. Joel Katz)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: 11 Sep 1994 20:11:55 -0400

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Richard Ward) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Tim Smith) writes:
>>Bill C. Riemers <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>  2. There is significant delay between action and sound.  i.e. I
>>>     can fire my gun and then turn halfway around before the gun
>>>     sound comes through my speakers.
>>
>>Get shorter speaker cables.
>>
>>--Tim Smith

>I really hope that you are kidding.  I'd hate to think that our fine 
>educational system is producing people so stupid as to think that reducing the 
>length of cable between an amplifier and the speakers would have an observable 
>effect.  Think about it:  sound travels through the air about 730 miles per 
>hour at sea-level, electronic signals travel through wire at close to the 
>speed of light (roughly 186,000 miles per _second_).  If you were to make 
>_any_ adjustments to the speaker placement, you'd be better off putting on 
>headphones (though the difference would still be virtually unobservable).

        I really hope that you are kidding. I'd hate to think that our 
fine educational system is producing people so stupid as the think that 
electrons net velocity down a cable is anywhere close to the speed of 
light. With all those electrons refusing to travel straight and bumping 
into each other, you are lucky if you get 1/10 C.
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From: [email-masked] (Raul Deluth Miller)
Subject: Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors
Date: 11 Sep 1994 18:07:00 -0400

Theodore Ts'o:
: The FSF/Stallman interpretation of the GPL essentially amounts to
: an interface copyright, although they attempt to deny it.
: 
: ... (I have email from Stallman to back up this story; I will
: forward it to people upon request.)

Attached is the letter that Ts'o forwarded to me.  I think that it
paints a significantly different picture from what Ts'o described.
But read it for yourself.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 93 01:25:07 -0400
From: [email-masked] (Richard Stallman)
To: [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]> ([email-masked])
Subject: Re: Fascist GPL interpretation?

    If it is not a new position, could you please supply some references?
    That would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry, I don't understand.

    Again, I'd like to know what your reasons are.

Here's the explanation I wrote (though I would have expected you'd
have seen it by now).

Several years ago, I met with Steve Jobs, who was looking for some
alternative to making the Objective C front end free software.  (This
may have been due to worries about being hassled by Stepstone, rather
than a desire to be uncooperative.)  He asked me if it it would be
legal to ship proprietary .o files to the user and have the user link
them with the GNU compiler.

At that time, I envisaged the legal ramifications like some others who
have recently posted on this list, so I did not see a basis for saying
they could not do this.

But at the same time, I realized that it would not bode well for the
GNU project if such a thing were permitted.  So I responded, "I will
have to check with our lawyer."

It's a good thing I did, because when I checked, I found that there
was a basis for objecting to this plan.  Such .o files would have
implied the presence of the GNU compiler, linked with them.  They
would be, in effect, a way of distributing a larger program which
implicitly includes the GNU compiler; as such, it must follow the
terms on the GNU compiler.

I told NeXT this, and NeXT decided there was no alternative to making
the Objective C front end free software.  So now it is available to
all of us as a part of GCC.

Note that this is not a matter of copyrighting an interface.  The .o
files that NeXT planned to release would have used one of the
(internal) interfaces of the GNU compiler, but that was *not* what the
FSF objected to.  Our objection was because the use of these .o files
implied linking them with the GNU compiler--the program, not just an
interface.

If it were possible for a company to get around the GPL simply by
dressing up changes or extensions as "separate programs that the user
might link in", then the GPL would be a paper tiger.  (True, we often
print it on paper, but...)  So it is vital for the FSF to object.

If we made this a request rather than a legal demand, some people
would comply as a matter of conscience.  But many others who would
not.  If I had told Jobs, "It is legal, but please don't," I doubt he
would have heeded the request.

Many improvements to GNU software are contributed by, or funded by,
companies.  If they could make these improvements proprietary, many of
them would.  I consider these companies unethical (because making
proprietary software is unethical in general), but they don't share my
ethical views, and they don't feel they should forego profit for a
mere request from the FSF.

The only way to make sure these improvements are free software is to
make it hard to make them proprietary.  That's what the GPL is for,
and to make it work right, we must not permit getting around it by
"having the user do the link."

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From: [email-masked] (Mihail S. Iotov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: 480x360 Res works for me.
Date: 10 Sep 1994 03:39:18 GMT

[email-masked] (Daniel L Moore   ) writes:

>Here's a Xconfig line that works for my CrystalScan 1572FS monitor.

>"480x360" 25  480 496 504 664  360 360 368 377

>It'll will probably work with other monitors that have the following
>specs: 

>   Horizontal Scan Freq: 30 - 64 kHz
>   Vertical Scan Freq: 50 - 100 Hz

 And make sure your monitor can do 100Hz. 

>   Bandwidth: 80 MHz

>Also note that the dot clock is 25MHz for your video card.

It looks like for 320x240, you'll need even lower dot clock, soif you can
program yours give it a try.

>DOOM runs fine, now to find solutions to the ctrl, alt - arrow keys
>combinations, (my window manager takes over), and getting the sound
>to work, probably need to upgrade my driver.

same here.

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From: duffy@[email-masked] (Dennis Duffner)
Subject: Re: Colorado Jumbo250
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 03:32:59 GMT

Dennis Duffner (duffy@[email-masked]) wrote:
: Dennis Duffner ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : Will this work with Linux 1.1.18??  If so, which version of FTape should
: : I have installed?  Thanks!!!!

: Also, will a Conner 120 or 250 work?  (I've got a choice, thankfully.)

: Mucho thanks.

I got the new Ftape-HOWTO...and got the question answered.

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