Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #744
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:14:26 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #744, Volume #2                Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:14:26 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Fred Brown)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (Steven Buytaert)
  Re: 480x360 Res works for me. (Steve VanDevender)
  Re: How to use 14400bps with modem? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  S3 boards with less than 1MB... (Robert Ashcroft)
  Re: How to use 14400bps with modem? (Michael Martin)
  Re: Video Drivers (Jeff Kesselman)
  Sunsite is down! Cause: Linuxdoom? (Steve DuChene)
  Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60 (Steven J. Esbrandt)
  Re: Slow curses - is there a better/faster curses? (NightHawk)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (David Nagy)
  SEARCH: Clock setting Programm for 24X ([email-masked])
  Re: 480x360 Res works for me. (Mikael Nordqvist)
  Re: Linux DOOM for X released (Kai Petzke)
  Re: Will a math coprocessor REALLY help? (Kai Petzke)
  Re: Yggsdrasil Linux uses Their OWN filesystem? (Kai Petzke)
  Re: Will a math coprocessor REALLY help? (Harry C Pulley)
  Re: What port #'s does doom use?  (was: DOOM linux with TERM support. (Bill C. Riemers)
  DOOM for Linux (Karl Keyte)

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From: brown@gumnut (Fred Brown)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect.
Date: 12 Sep 94 02:57:29 GMT

  Erik,
       Your P9000 card, is it a Diamond Viper ?
  Fred

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From: [email-masked] (Steven Buytaert)
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 07:27:48 GMT

J.J. Paijmans ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Martin Sohnius) writes:
: ...
: >
: >Over lunch today, I mentioned this thread to the guy who is in charge of
: >software piracy issues for Novell-Wordperfect in Europe.  His reaction was
: >"forward the thread to me".  (See above, re legal insurance.)
: >
: >BTW, I understand that WP 6 for UnixWare is in beta.
: >
: >--
: >                        +--------------------------------------------+
: >Martin Sohnius          | "It doesn't matter whether the cat is      |

: Martin not only accused me implicitly of software-piracy (see this
: thread a few weeks ago), he now threatens to set his legal bloodhounds
: on this thread.  Obviously it is his right to do so but it effectively
: portraits the horror that established firms feel when confronted with
: new developments.

  Don't worry Paai,

  As I've read the doom announcement today, I learned a new expression
  and this guy fits the bill perfectly.

  "He sucks demon phalluses"

  Had to get that of my chest...

  [BTW, cleaned up the newsgroup line]

  Stef

--
Steven Buytaert 

WORK [email-masked]
HOME [email-masked]

        'Imagination is more important than knowledge.'
                        (A. Einstein)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Steve VanDevender)
Subject: Re: 480x360 Res works for me.
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 05:39:36 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Daniel L Moore   ) writes:

   DOOM runs fine, now to find solutions to the ctrl, alt - arrow keys
   combinations, (my window manager takes over), and getting the sound
   to work, probably need to upgrade my driver.

You can redefine all of the key commands.  I haven't figured out
what the keycodes are supposed to be for non-ASCII keys, but you
can put the ASCII value of a normal key after the key_* tag in
the .doomrc to use that key for a keyboard command; i.e. if you
wanted to use the 'a' key for key_fire, then put 97 after the
key_fire tag in your .doomrc.

I upgraded my Linux 1.0.9 kernel with the Voxware 2.90
distribution on sunsite (including the two provided patch files)
and I get good sound.  The only problem seems to be that I
sometimes get "delayed echoes"; a fragment of the end of a sound
will sometimes reoccur up to a couple of seconds after it
originally finished.

What I really miss is using the mouse.  I switched to using the
mouse some time ago during a period when I was doing a lot of
intense deathmatch play, and while I have gotten a little better
at using the keyboard in the Linux version, I tried running the
DOS version again with the mouse and it was _so_ much easier to
do things.  I just can't seem to find the right layout for the
key commands that lets me comfortably run, turn, strafe, and fire
all at the same time even half as well as I can with the
mouse/keyboard combination.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: How to use 14400bps with modem?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 03:15:33 GMT

[email-masked] (Jan Vilhuber) writes:
>
>Reeally what you should do is set the port speed to the highest possible
>rate the the chip will support. If you have a UART 16550, then go ahead
>and set it to 38400 (or even 56700??) Remember that a 14400 modem will do
>compression and the such...
>
>I run mine at 38400 with a UART 16550, and it works just fine.

It appears to me that the 38400 mark is just a convention.  You can
have the serial driver reinterpret it as 57600 by using the spd_hi
option with the setserial command.  What you are doing, in this case,
is sending data at 57600 bits per second to the modem, which compres-
ses it, then sends it at 9600(+?) baud over the phone to another modem
that decompresses it.  V.42bis compression can achive a 4:1 ratio, so
57600 is an ideal rate.  You must enable rts/cts flowcontrol, though,
I believe, since otherwise you can overflow the modem's buffers (if,
say, it can't quite reach 4:1 compression, but is getting stuff in
at the maximum rate of 57600).

I might remind everyone reading this that I'm no guru (if that's not
obvious).  I just had this incredible brainstorm that maybe the FAQs,
HOWTOs, and man pages might have something useful to say.  I'm always
the first to encourage old hands to be nice.  But the crabby netters
who go around screaming RTFM do have a point.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Ashcroft)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: S3 boards with less than 1MB...
Date: 11 Sep 1994 10:57:26 GMT

Note followups...

This weekend I took an apparently useless graphics board out of an old
386 and put in a cheap ISA S3 board I picked up.

Interestingly enough, the apparently useless graphics board is _also_ an
S3 board.

The one I pulled has the S3-911 chip on it, and a measely 256K of memory.
It's expandable to 512K.

Question:  will XFree86 drive an S3 board with only half a meg?  It sure
won't drive one with 256K, but I am wondering if it is worthwhile scrounging
the extra 256K of VRAM.

Cheers,
RNA

P.S. the graphics transplant into the 386 went well, and I am now turning
the machine over to my fellow students to let them pound on it as a
linux-X-terminal...  You can finger it at gsb-linux-352.stanford.edu
(36.67.0.214) if you've got nothing better to do!

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Martin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: How to use 14400bps with modem?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 03:44:13 GMT

Steven M. Gallo ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Kristian Mowinckel <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >Today my USRobotics Sportster 14400 FAX MODEM arrived.
: >
: >Now I use it at 9600 bps since 14400 is not an option offrered.
: >(I use Seyon by the way.)
: >How can I use 14400 bps?
: >

--

Tell Linux that the modem is 38400. This should work fine with a Sportster.
The line speed is still 14400, but the serial port speed (computer to modem)
is higher. This has to be in order to get any use out of compression. If you
use minicom, be sure to set auto baud detect off, and ALWAYS use hardware
flow control at these (relatively) high speeds.

One word of caution - be SURE to power the sportster off before plugging/
unplugging the power supply - I have had THREE of these modems fry this way.
And I had one power supply decide to send a bunch more volts than usual one
day - also fried the modem. IMHO, these cheap modems are just that - cheap.

*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*Michael L. Martin            | A Law is not Just, just because it's a law. *
[email-masked]   |                                             *
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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Video Drivers
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 08:34:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>
>Anyone know where I can get Diamond Viper SVGA Drivers for Linux ?
>(P9000 Chipset I believe !)
>
>Dave.

I've been responding with what little I know about the Diamond situation via 
email to folk, but since it keeps comign up, I thought Ild make one 
public post.  The following is from Yygdrasil's installation guide and
Linux Bible.

The basic problem with Diamond is that they use a propritary interface to the
clocks, something that any X driver needs access to to set the board.
They will only give this information under an NDA (non-disclosure agreement).
The NDA, if signed, makes it impossible to publish source for any driver
that might be written.  This not only violates the GPL, but makes it
really hard to include as a linux driver (I guess you COULD just provide
a linkable object file, but that violates the entire way Linux is managed.)

The overall reaction of the free-software community has been "fine, if 
you don't want to support us, then we won't waste any effort trying to 
support you."  This is really quite reasonable given the above.

The suggestion I've been giving others is to call Diamond and complain.  
Maybe if enough customers complain, they'll realize that they are losing 
business over this and reconsider.

As I say, the above is my understanding, gelaned from the Yygdrasil 
position.  Anyone who finds mistakes in the above feel free to correct me.

[email-masked]
([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Sunsite is down! Cause: Linuxdoom?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 03:57:40 GMT

        Well I have been trying unsuccessfully tonight to get to
        sunsite.unc.edu to download the fixed pixel doubling version
        of Linux Doom but all I got were weird messages after I 
        connected. Any thing like dir, ls, or get produced an error
        message about unable to open port (150.2.22.81,20) already in
        use. So I just tried it a min. ago and now sunsite is off the
        net (i.e. ping returns 100% packet loss)! I wonder if the
        presence of Linux Doom on the server and all the connections I 
        imagine have been made there to get it, have any thing to do
        with the crash? If someone wants a good indication of how many
        people are using Linux I would guess the ftp logs from sunsite
        for the past couple of days would be a good indication!
-- 
| Steven A. DuChene   [email-masked]  or  [email-masked]      
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|-------------------------------------------------------------------
|       Friends don't let friends do DOS

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From: [email-masked] (Steven J. Esbrandt)
Subject: Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60
Date: 12 Sep 1994 04:09:53 GMT

: I don't quite understand this. I myself have a Pentium-90 w/ an IDE
: controller on a PCI bus and this machine /flies/. I get around 8MB/sec
: according to PC Magazines benchmark utilties (WinBench 4.0) with my HD's.
: (One a WD 1.0G and Micropolis 1.7G). 
: Needless to say, I run linux (kernel 1.1.45).
  If you're running linux, then you should run unix benchmarks. Get iozone and
run it with a sufficiently big file (I use around 80MB). This way you're sure
to blow away the cache; you will also see what the performance of the machine
is with the drive going. Another note: with those drives over 540MB, you must
have an enhanced IDE controlleri, which is very similar to SCSI in terms of it's
capabilities. Comparing SCSI to regular IDE is not the same thing as comparing
it to enhanced IDE. 

==================
Steven J. Esbrandt
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (NightHawk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Slow curses - is there a better/faster curses?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 07:31:44 -0400

James Deibele ([email-masked]) wrote:
: 48 hours ago I installed Slackware 2.0 and it was just about the easiest 
: install I've ever done in 10 years of mucking around with computers.
: Color me impressed.

: We are using Linux on a box for people to do remote development - we
: want to compile and run apps on the Linux box.  Exciting things like
: accounting and other business tasks.

: elvis is a pretty faithful implementation of vi although it's noticeably
: slower in screen I/O than vi on a SPARC.  And that's when I'm only the
: user on the linux box and there's nothing else happening on it.  And
: with relatively small - 400-line - programs.

I am using nvi 1.34 from BSD 4.4. It is fast and much more compatible
with vi than elvis.

: Console output under Linux was very quick and I'm sure X performance is
: pretty good.  But curses performance is a little sluggish and adding
: lines near the bottom of the screen is a real killer - curses seems to
: clear the screen with blank lines <then> adds the new text.

: I know that curses and terminals are going the way of the dinosaur but
: like the dinosaur they're going to take a long time to die.  We were
: looking at what it would cost to outfit our very small office with a
: PC/Mac/Unix solution that ran under Windows, MacOS, and UNIX and decided
: we could live with a curses interface.

: But it would be nice if it were a little quicker.  Is there a
: replacement curses out there somewhere?  I checked the FAQs, How-Tos,
: and Meta-FAQ and didn't see a word about curses.

There is a new curses from BSD 4.4 in libc 4.6.x. It is under beta testing
now. I like it very much.

NH

: Thanks!

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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs
Date: 12 Sep 1994 07:33:55 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Harrison Picot) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>, J.J. Paijmans <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Martin Sohnius) writes:
>>...
>>>
>>>Over lunch today, I mentioned this thread to the guy who is in charge of
>>>software piracy issues for Novell-Wordperfect in Europe.  His reaction was
>>>"forward the thread to me".  (See above, re legal insurance.)
>>>
>>
>>Martin not only accused me implicitly of software-piracy (see this
>>thread a few weeks ago), he now threatens to set his legal bloodhounds
>
>If my memory serves, Martin suggested that you wouldn't be likely
>candidate for a free review copy. He might be implying that you
>wouldn't be likely to help sales.  You don't need to expand on that
>in a bad way,  and then blame it on Martin.

Well, I took Martin up on that, pointing out my interpretation of
his words and adding that I was quite vexed by his words. If he had
meant them differently, he would have said so, I guess.

>
>[snip]
>>And it is so bloody stupid... Linux offers a new way to boost
>>WP-sales, which is a BIG seller, and all they can do is wave with
>
>If WP is going to give away software, why not give it to those of
>us that paid for the development?  Like me, I have bought it, DOS

Neither I nor anybody else (as far as I remember) asked for WP to
give something away. All we have been doing is to speculate on
the merits of free/illegal copies as sales-booster. Martin choose
too pursue that line in the direction of waving lawyers around.

>things to all people.  You don't need to wack UW just because Novell
>people don't want to give you their work for free.  
>

See above. And yes, I still think it is in the interest of *any* sound
software to generate free copies. If that makes me a target for Martin's
legal eagle, well, so be it.

Paai.

-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
From: [email-masked] (David Nagy)
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 05:58:50 GMT

  Jeez, everybody should get a clue...  All this doubletalk about 
electron drift when it's OBVIOUS that the problem is that his speakers 
are too far away from his head... The speed of sound, remember?  And you 
guys are worried about the speed of electrons, sheesh. <g>
  I'm sure if he used headphones the problem would disappear. (As long as 
he didn't use one of those curly headphone cord extenders....)

                                                Dave Nagy

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Date: 12 Sep 1994 12:15:00 +0200
From: [email-masked]
Subject: SEARCH: Clock setting Programm for 24X

## Nachricht vom 12.09.94 weitergeleitet
## Ursprung : /comp/os/linux/admin
## Ersteller: [email-masked]

Hello...

I'am searching for an Program named: CLOCK !
This tool is designed, to change the clock settings of an Speedstar 24X  
Graphicsadapter.

A few day's ago, some men post his Xconfig for an Speedstar 24X in this  
group. He also had the Clock program...

Where can i get this ???

---Kai
###
## CrossPoint v3.0 ##

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From: [email-masked] (Mikael Nordqvist)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: 480x360 Res works for me.
Date: 12 Sep 1994 12:12:58 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Paradox) writes:
>Steve VanDevender ([email-masked]) wrote:
> [ snip ]
>       Ok, who wants to make a linux-based wad editor now? ;)

Check out Linux-DEU 5.21 on infant2.sphs.indiana.edu:/pub/doom/deu (fsp).

Runs under svgalib. Version 6.0 will probably run under X.

/Mikael
-- 
Mikael Nordqvist, student    | [email-masked] | I'm not paraniod, it's just
Lund Institute of Technology | [email-masked]   | that everyone is out to get me

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
Date: 12 Sep 94 09:30:18 GMT

[email-masked] (Michael Peek) writes:

>David Taylor ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: DOOM v1.666 for Linux using X is available at:

>I wonder: If this is a specific Linux port, and no other ports are in the
>works, it seems to me that the program would pick up a lot of speed if it
>used the SVGALIB routines.  It sure would be easier to see!

This thing has already been discussed a lot in this group.  The result
was, that X can be quite fast, too, that X is more a unix standard
(doom also runs on SGI and NextStep), and that X works over a network.

Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Will a math coprocessor REALLY help?
Date: 12 Sep 94 09:31:47 GMT

[email-masked] (David Cabot) writes:

>I'm pinching pennies and want more out my machine.  Does Xfree86 and 
>ghostscript/view use much floating point math?

XFree86 uses floating point only, when needed, like for drawing
circles.  Ghostscript uses it a lot view, so you should be able
to speed it up with a coprocessor.

Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Yggsdrasil Linux uses Their OWN filesystem?
Date: 12 Sep 94 09:33:03 GMT

[email-masked] (Chang Hyeon Song) writes:

>Hi, netters.
>I just bought this Linux CD-ROM, but I found out that Yggsdrasil uses
>non-standard file system of their own.

Well, they use the standard CD-ROM file system.  However, all files
in the /usr/src tree are compressed with gzip.  Usually you do not
need these files, unless you want to recompile part or all of the
system.  Then you have two choices:

- Copy them to harddisk, and uncompress with gunzip.
- Use the special libc provided to decompress these files on the
  fly when you access them.

Kai

>Does it cause any problem?

No.

Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: [email-masked] (Harry C Pulley)
Subject: Re: Will a math coprocessor REALLY help?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 12:13:09 GMT

Tracy R. Reed ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Sven Goldt ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : IMHO a math co wouldn't improve much, but more ram !

: Definity, more RAM, definitly....

It depends on what you do.  I upgraded my 386-40 to a 486-33 this summer
because I was doing a lot of work with neural nets.  With only floating point
emulation the nets took hours to complete on the 386-40; they complete in
minutes or seconds on the 486-33 (Which has a built-in co-processor).

In general, more RAM will help more.  So will more disk space and a faster 
drive.

Harry
--
<:-{}   [email-masked]       |This message released|It takes all kinds,
 \      Harry C. Pulley, IV       |to the PUBLIC DOMAIN.|and to each his own.
==================================+=====================|This thought in mind,
Stay away from the DOS side, Luke!|Un*x don't play that.|I walk alone.

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From: [email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What port #'s does doom use?  (was: DOOM linux with TERM support.
Date: 12 Sep 1994 06:33:35 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>>>> "Bill" == Bill C Riemers <[email-masked]> writes:

>>>>> "Christophe" == Christophe Person <[email-masked]> writes:
    Christophe> Like you all know, DOOM linux is out.  But what about
    Christophe> a DOOM linux version that run with TERM ? It would be
    Christophe> less painfull that blocking your computer using the
    Christophe> modem version. I don't know if it wouldn't be simpler
    Christophe> to have a IHHD server supporting term instead.

    Christophe> Opened discussion....

    Bill> If anyone knows what port number doom uses you could use
    Bill> tredir or tudpredir depending on which type of packets xdoom
    Bill> uses.  If no one knows I could probably guess the right port
    Bill> # with a few hours of guessing, but like Christophe I don't
    Bill> know anyone to play with so I have no real motivation to

I know it is bad form to followup on myself...  But I figure I better
head-off all the useless replies.  It seems that the /proc file system
lists ports being used, so now I know DOOM uses the 5029 udp port.
Unfortunately, it acts as a daemon as well as a client.  This means
if you do something like:

linuxxdoom -net 1 localhost

DOOM will try to talk to itself.  So tudpredir won't help.  The obvious
solution would be to recompile DOOM with -include termnet.h and -ltermnet.
If someone at ID feels motivated and has term 2 installed this might
happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.  Another way
to get term support would be to do zlibc type trick and patch your
C library.  However, I've been warned this trick is very risky so
I haven't tried it with term.

I'll continue to think about this and maybe I will think of another
solution. 

                                   Bill

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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:04:58 +0200
From: [email-masked] (Karl Keyte)
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Subject: DOOM for Linux

PLEASE let's keep doom traffic that isn't related to features of the Linux
operating system (it is 'comp.os.linux...' after all) to one of the games
groups.  I can see DOOM posting getting out of proportion here - specially
as the posters seem to be a little heavy-handed with the cross-posting.

Karl

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