Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #748
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:13:13 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #748, Volume #2                Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:13:13 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux doom with TERM support... (continuing) (Christophe Person)
  Need beta testers: sasteroids with sound (Brad Pitzel)
  486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (Kevin Esler)
  Is SCSI CD-ROM worth the money ? (Kevin Esler)
  Problems with newest version of Linux Doom file at sunsite (Steve DuChene)
  Re: Linux DOOM for X released (H. Peter Anvin)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Andre Schroeter)
  Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Bill West)
  Re: POSIX threads for Linux :Wanted (Mike Castle)
  What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom (Matthew Grant)
  Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have? (Steven Pritchard)
  Re: Linux DOOM for X released (Jim Sun)
  Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Spire Technologies)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Miguel de Icaza)
  Re: DOOM and Linux (Miguel de Icaza)
  Re: How to use 14400bps with modem? (Viktor T. Toth)
  Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Derek Fawcus)
  Re: Sunsite is down! Cause: Linuxdoom? (Steve DuChene)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Mr. Paul David Walker)

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From: [email-masked] (Christophe Person)
Subject: Re: Linux doom with TERM support... (continuing)
Date: 12 Sep 1994 00:10:53 -0500

 > Since TERM 2.0, UDP is implemented.

 > someone asked what is IHHD... Well, it is a very nive small program which
   allows you to play doom on the Internet. You call your host by modem, run
   tcpdial (or udpdial) and play with friends all over the world.

        Unfortunately, I have nobody to test it neither (yet?).

        I succeeded in compiling it on a SGI and have no need for it under
linux. If you want it, I have installed it on my anon ftp hebb.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
in ~/doom/IHHD. It is a shar file.

        Let me know if you have any success. (like I said I wasn't able to find
a doomer out there).

Christophe Person
[email-masked]
http://dirac.bcm.tmc.edu/people/chrisp.html

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From: [email-masked] (Brad Pitzel)
Subject: Need beta testers: sasteroids with sound
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 06:15:50 GMT

Hello,

I need a few testers for a beta version of the game sasteroids,
with digital sound. Yeah, I know this is embarassing considering
linux doom came out this week too :-)

If you've got voxware 2.9 or greater (included in linux kernels 1.1.32 and
up) and a sound card capable of 8-bit mono digital playback, try ftp'ing to
imagineer.disc-net.com (198.162.12.57). You'll probably have to use the IP
address. (name service is flakey to this site right now)

/pub/pitzel/sasteroids1.5-beta1-src.tar.gz      (sources)
/pub/pitzel/sasteroids1.5-beta1-bin.tar.gz      (precompiled binary)

You only need one of the above files.  Note that your high scores aren't
saved -- this is due to a change in the setuid() behaviour in recent
kernels. I'll release an official new sasteroids once these probs get worked
out. You need g++ 2.5.8 and svgalib 1.11 to compile it.

thanks,
--brad
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Esler)
Subject: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ?
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 19:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: Kevin Esler <[email-masked]>

Does anybody have any benchmark figures on the relative raw CPU
performance of:

        486/dx2-66
        Pentium 60
        Pentium 66
        Pentium 90

I am planning to purchase a system and it seems like the price
difference between the 486/dx2-66 and the P66 is about $300, and about
another $300 difference to get to the P90.  I'm trying to allocate my
$ resources in the best way possible.

I realize that system performance depends on more than just CPU
performance, by the way.

--
Kevin Esler //hewlett-packard/cso/stg/std/mll (MA Language Lab)
[email-masked]   (508) 436-5979

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Esler)
Subject: Is SCSI CD-ROM worth the money ?
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 19:41:37 GMT
Reply-To: Kevin Esler <[email-masked]>

I am soon to purchase a system to run Linux. It will have a SCSI hard
disk.  It will also have a double speed CD-ROM drive.  Should I shell
out the extra $50-$100 to get a SCSI CD-ROM, as distinct from a
non-SCSI ?

-- 
Kevin Esler //hewlett-packard/cso/stg/std/mll (MA Language Lab)
[email-masked]   (508) 436-5979

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From: [email-masked] (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Problems with newest version of Linux Doom file at sunsite
Date: 12 Sep 1994 07:27:11 GMT

        I was finally able to get through to sunsite (see my previous post)
        and download the linxdoom.tgz file but there are problems with it now.
        When I first downloaded it I tried to see what the file sizes were
        in the tgz file by using the following command 
                "zcat linxdoom.tgz|tar tvf -" and I got a weird error like 
        the following:  tar: directory checksum error (804781340 != 63782) 
        so I renamed the file to linxdoom.tar.gz and tried: 
                "gunzip linxdoom.tar.gz" but again I got an error message.
        gunzip: linxdoom.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error 
        and before anyone asks, yes I downloaded the file in binary mode
        from within ftp! Just to check I tried twice. Same result both times.
        So anyone who successfully got the fixed pixel-doubling version from
        sunsite.unc.edu, could you make it available on an ftp site somewhere
        else? Or perhaps the original person who downloaded this from ID
        software could re-upload it. 
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| Steven A. DuChene   [email-masked]  or  [email-masked]      
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
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From: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
Reply-To: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 07:32:11 GMT

Followup to:  <[email-masked]>
By author:    [email-masked] (Michael Peek)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
>
> David Taylor ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : DOOM v1.666 for Linux using X is available at:
> 
> I wonder: If this is a specific Linux port, and no other ports are in the
> works, it seems to me that the program would pick up a lot of speed if it
> used the SVGALIB routines.  It sure would be easier to see!

It isn't.  There is an SGI port as well.

        /hpa

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 12 Sep 1994 04:03:16 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: [email-masked] (Andre Schroeter)
Subject: Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect.
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 15:18:01 CET

hi,
i'm running it on a 486dx2 66, ati mach 8 (dump isa!!) with xfree2.1.1 and it's
great in 320x200. i feel it's even faster than under dos.
  andre
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From: [email-masked] (Bill West)
Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM!
Date: 12 Sep 1994 10:39:53 GMT

Steven Pritchard ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Mark Stockton) writes:

: >Seems that when exiting the Linux version, you are prompted to
: >"...quit to DOS?".  What a blood curdling thought!  Isn't it time
: >we put a rating system in place for these shareware games?

It could have been worse, you could have actually exited to MSDOG!!!!

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Bill West
Houston TX
email: [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Mike Castle)
Subject: Re: POSIX threads for Linux :Wanted
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:21:40 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Umesh Soni <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I am considering installing Linux on my PC at home and have had no prior 
>experience with it.  A major factor in deciding to go ahead, would be the 
>availibility of an implementation of POSIX threads for Linux.

I didn't think POSIX had solidified a thread standard yet.
Therefore it would be impossible to have a POSIX compliant thread
implementation.

Aside from that, kernel threads don't exist on Linux yet.
Several cooperative thread implentations exist, though, and I
suspect would be fairly easy to port to Linux.  

mrc
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  [email-masked]     and be right all the time, or not work at all
   [email-masked]       and be right at least twice a day.  -- mrc
    We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan.  -- Watchmen

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew Grant)
Subject: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:34:37 GMT

The New NOISE has started.  We are about to be invaded by " How do you do
XXX with Doom?".

Lets control the flood and get it out of the road before it starts!

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From: [email-masked] (Steven Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 00:02:28 -0600

[email-masked] (Jason Stevens) writes:

>A friend of mine runs linux on a 80386sx-16Mhz with 5 Megs of ram... and 
>10meg swap.. it's faster as a multiuser platform than it is as a single 
>user but to compile a kernel.. WOW there goes 6+ hours... I use my 486 
>for that! <G>

>       I also use to run it on a 80386sx-16Mhz with 2.5 megs of ram.. 
>not bad.... better than MessDoz/WindBlozE!

Linux ran nicely on my 386SX/16 (4 meg, 8 meg swap), but I don't regret 
getting the 386DX/40 motherboard & math co. (just over $100).

Hasta,

Steve
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From: [email-masked] (Jim Sun)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
Date: 12 Sep 1994 23:47:41 GMT

I'm writing this note to rescind two statements I made on this thread earlier
in the day.

> linuxxdoom is unplayably slow...

It turns out that I was at fault.  I don't have sound driver installed in my
linux; the search for nonexistent sounddriver seems to be the cause of slow-down.
After I commented out the sndserver line in .doomrc, linuxxdoom runs beautifully.

> running xclient on a remote similar system is faster...

While it was the case when I had the sndserver problem, but not anymore.
local is much faster (at least for 486-66/75 class systems with 16+megs); 
after all, the advantage gained in bus (vs. TCP/IP packets) far outweighs
the computational overhead.

> It's an admirable effort...

I still stand by this statement:), sans all the qualifications and "but"s.

Thanks DDT!

now maybe I have enough incentive to do a kernel upgrade to install the sound 
driver.

Jim

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From: [email-masked] (Spire Technologies)
Crossposted-To: biz.config
Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux*
Date: 12 Sep 1994 14:57:06 -0700

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Alan Cox) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Steve Wicke) writes:
>>The reasoning I have for wanting to start a biz.* heirachy for linux is 
>>that there are commercial vendors now addresses the need for 
>>professional Linux support. Professional support costs money...ie; is 
>>commercial and people on the net (including myself) have a tendacy to be 
>>a little snide towards commercial posts in non commercial areas. I would 

>Well I'd certain back the idea.

>Alan
 
 Thanks....
        It is nice to seee that more pepople are realizing the need for 
it. I am hoping that with more support from people like you :) We can get 
this underway.

                                                Joshua Drake
                                                Spire Technologies

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From: [email-masked] (Miguel de Icaza)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:43:26 GMT

> >How can I run doom w/o a window manager though.. I haven't been able to yet.
> 
> Ditto that question.
> 
> WHen I have xinit simply start doom, the colormap of the doom window
> never becomes active -- I get a black, and a white, and that's it.

I would recomend using the twm, since fvwm grabs the Alt-arrow
combinations, so you can't use the straffe feature.

I haven't had time to check this personaly, but it seems that olwm
grabs shift-arrows, so no fast movement with olwm.

Hope this helps,
miguel.

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From: [email-masked] (Miguel de Icaza)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM and Linux
Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:46:20 GMT

> Gee, even though the README says "no bug reports," does anyone think iD 
> can be convinced to fix this?

Maybe if they receive lots of request for registering Doom/Linux, they
will enhance the product.

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From: [email-masked] (Viktor T. Toth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: How to use 14400bps with modem?
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 00:28:43

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jan Vilhuber) writes:

>Remember that a 14400 modem will do
>compression and the such, and I have HEARD (never seen) that on good
>days, when the moon is right, and so on, you _might_ get a throughput rate
>of 56kB.

The reason why you don't see it often is because most services or BBS-s you 
call that have 14.4 modems drive it at 19.2 or 38.4; so there is no chance to 
have a throughput higher than that.

I have seen throughput much higher than 56k when I connected two modems of my 
own (115K DTE-DCE rate) and transferred highly compressible stuff.

Viktor

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From: [email-masked] (Derek Fawcus)
Subject: Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect.
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:18:00 +0000

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Yanming PENG) writes:
>
>the environment DOOMWADDIR does not work as said in README.linux. the
>DOOM*.wad and sndserver HAVE TO BE in the current directory. I wrote
>a script to create symbolic links before playing them and erase them
>after playing.

Edit .doomrc to have the full path to sndserver,  only sndserver uses
the DOOMWADDIR env var,  doom expects to find the wad in the current
directory (I use a symlink).

(One fun thing to do is to run sndserver by itself,  you can get some
sound effects out of it,  now i'll have to rig up a script to scream
when I shutdown my machine :)

DF
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Derek Fawcus (G7FVS)                                [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Re: Sunsite is down! Cause: Linuxdoom?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 06:48:48 GMT

        OK, I finally was able to get through to sunsite and get the
        linxdoom.tgz file (which was the same size as the first one I
        downloaded?) and it had a linuxxdoom executable in it that was
        a different size than the first one. The only problem is that this 
        new one seg. faults on my system and the first one doesn't!?
        I am using it from the same directory and with the same doom1.wad
        file but still seg. faults.
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| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
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From: [email-masked] (Mr. Paul David Walker)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: 13 Sep 1994 01:17:16 +0800

In article <[email-masked]! [email-masked] (Richard Ward) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Nagy) writes:
|>  Jeez, everybody should get a clue...  All this doubletalk about 
|>electron drift when it's OBVIOUS that the problem is that his speakers 
|>are too far away from his head... The speed of sound, remember?  And you 
|>guys are worried about the speed of electrons, sheesh. <g>
|>  I'm sure if he used headphones the problem would disappear. (As long as 
|>he didn't use one of those curly headphone cord extenders....)
|>
|>                                              Dave Nagy
|
|Let's not forget that large headed people will hear a definite lag due to the 
|extra length of their auditory system.  You wouldn't believe how long it can 
|take sound to get through the ears of extremely large headed people!  Even  
|normal headed people with large ears are having SFX lag time problems.  Why, 
|Ross Perot gave up DOOM because it took a week for the sounds to find their 
|through his ears.
|
|Richard
|

And you must not also overlook the thick-skull factor.  It is a fact that sound
travels slower through thick skulls than through air (duhhh...huh?)

But hell... who could accuse of anyone who had posted in this thread to be 
thick skulled?

- Paul

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