Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #750
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 94 04:13:19 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #750, Volume #2                Tue, 13 Sep 94 04:13:19 EDT

Contents:
  Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Slow curses - is there a better/faster curses? (Michael Engel)
  Re: color from ncurses on console (Michael Engel)
  SYBASE open library on Linux (Walter Montalvo)
  Re: What is a BogoMIP? (James Prins)
  Re: Max size of SCSI HD? (Rick Kelly)
  Doom settings ??? .doomrc copied from DOS??? (Preston William Gilchrist)
  Partitioning Question (David J Topper)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Josef Dalcolmo)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (Terry Lambert)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Chris Albone)
  SLIP/TCIP (SCOT ME UP BEAMIE!)
  Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom (Mark Stockton)
  Re: Yggdrasil FTP site (Adam J. Richter)
  WANTED: info and experience with double. ([email-masked])
  Re: gcc 2.6.x upgrade (Rick Kelly)
  Games Make the OS (was: Re: Can't Run Doom!!) (Pete Deuel)
  Re: What about a vote on comp.os.linux.doom (Al Longyear)
  Sony MiniDisc (Alberto Vignani)
  Re: DOOM question (Kevin Lentin)

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From: [email-masked] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:43:29 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Matthew Grant) writes:
>The New NOISE has started.  We are about to be invaded by " How do you do
>XXX with Doom?".
>
>Lets control the flood and get it out of the road before it starts!

Quick tip: Add the following to your killfile.
        /doom/h:j

Another quick tip: DOOM can be considered a multi-platform game.
alt.games.doom exists. Use it.

M. Welsh

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Engel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Slow curses - is there a better/faster curses?
Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:44:22 GMT

James Deibele ([email-masked]) wrote:
[ lots of text deleted ] 
: elvis is a pretty faithful implementation of vi although it's noticeably
: slower in screen I/O than vi on a SPARC.  And that's when I'm only the
: user on the linux box and there's nothing else happening on it.  And
: with relatively small - 400-line - programs.

: Console output under Linux was very quick and I'm sure X performance is
: pretty good.  But curses performance is a little sluggish and adding
: lines near the bottom of the screen is a real killer - curses seems to
: clear the screen with blank lines <then> adds the new text.

This seems to be an error in ncurses-1.8.5 :-(
I did experience exactly the same problem with my curses-based menu system.
Things are still worse: Under some circumstances, ncurses fills the screen 
with another color than the background color...

In most other cases, I experienced that ncurses is about twice as fast as 
SCO System V curses, at least on the console and on newer serial terminals
like a DEC VT-420/510. I didn't try it on a VT100, though ...

Btw, did you check that your terminfo entries are OK ? This has caused me 
lots of trouble on some other versions of Unix.

: I know that curses and terminals are going the way of the dinosaur but
: like the dinosaur they're going to take a long time to die.  We were
: looking at what it would cost to outfit our very small office with a
: PC/Mac/Unix solution that ran under Windows, MacOS, and UNIX and decided
: we could live with a curses interface.

Well, I have a Mac, a Sun-3 (with X) and a Linux box standing around here.
I am getting most work done when using the Linux console or the QVT-101 
text terminal...
 
: But it would be nice if it were a little quicker.  Is there a
: replacement curses out there somewhere?  I checked the FAQs, How-Tos,
: and Meta-FAQ and didn't see a word about curses.

There is another version of curses out there, I think it's called PCcurses.
I remember having compiled it under SunOS, there was a Unix makefile included.
Sorry, I don't  have it anymore. Ask archie.

: Thanks!

: -- 
: [email-masked]                 "Slowly cursing he deleted the word"

Michael Engel   ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Engel)
Subject: Re: color from ncurses on console
Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:49:04 GMT

Greg Jarman ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Is there some trick to this?

No, not as far as I remember...

: Do I need to hack up the console termcap entry, or is it something
: more sinister?

You can use the usual COLOR_PAIR semantics on Linux. Did you remember to 
call start_color() after initscr() ???

If you want to display effect like bold, underline etc. as colors on the 
Linux console, you must redefine the terminfo (ncurses does NOT use termcap)
entries for these effects.

As far as I remember, the Esc sequences for color are
\E[30m --- \E[39m for foreground color and \E[40m --- \E[49m for background.

: Thanks,
: Greg.

Michael Engel   ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Walter Montalvo)
Subject: SYBASE open library on Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 03:14:43 GMT

Is it possible to run isql on Linux using DOSEMU? Has
anyone done this?

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From: [email-masked] (James Prins)
Subject: Re: What is a BogoMIP?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 00:15:02 -0400

A mip can either stand for one of the following:
Millions Of Instructions Per Second
or
Meaningless Indication Of Processor Speed

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From: [email-masked] (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Max size of SCSI HD?
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rick Kelly)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 03:04:25 GMT

Drew Eckhardt ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: John Saunders <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >Dale Elrod ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >> What is the max size that a single partition on a SCSI based hard drive?
: >
: >> I would like to place two 9 gig drives on my ftp server but want to be sure
: >> that Linux can handle this.
: >
: >Going by the partition table format you should be able to get 8 Gig from
: >a single drive. 

: You can  access terrabyte drives under Linux, using the normal 
: partitioning scheme.  With Remy's changes to ext2, you can 
: even have 9 gigabyte partitions if you want.

: >a single drive. If the SCSI controller BIOS handles it, 8 Gig should also
: >If the SCSI controller BIOS handles it, 8 Gig should also
: >be usable under DOS. I think Linux is limited by the partition table
: >limitation. 

: Linux ignores the H/C/S fields in the partition tables, and only 
: looks at the 32 bit flat addresses which don't have this problem.

: >I haven't tried it but, it may be possible to put the
: >filesystem on /dev/sda rather than the partition /dev/sda1. Since /dev/sda
: >is raw access to the blocks on the drive you should be able to create
: >a filesystem of any size (up to SCSI limits) on the drive.

: True.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the maximum partition
size for SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 is 2 gigabytes.  This can obviously be fixed
with striped disk drivers, etc, but consider that Auspex servers, running
SunOS 4.1.3, can only do 8 gigabytes per partition even with their volume
management.
-- 

Rick Kelly  [email-masked]  [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Preston William Gilchrist)
Subject: Doom settings ??? .doomrc copied from DOS???
Date: 12 Sep 1994 13:12:04 -0500

Howdy all,

I was trying to get my favorite key settings from DOS to work with Linux Doom,
so I just copied my defaults file from DOS to .doomrc in my home directory
This did not work.  I am using these key settings........

UP --> Home
DN --> End
TURN RT--> Page Up
TURN LT--> Insert
STRF RT--> Page Dn
STRF LT--> Delete

Does the X-Server redirect these keys in some way where it will not work??????

Any help appreciated..........................

Thanks , Please respond via e-mail

-- 
Preston Gilchrist                       Texas A&M University, Computer Science
E-Mail: [email-masked]                 http://tamsun.tamu.edu/~pwg7503/

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From: [email-masked] (David J Topper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.liinux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Partitioning Question
Date: 12 Sep 1994 18:09:47 GMT

So once I set my partitions (say 250 for Linux and 270 for DOS) using FIPS
or FDISK - is there a way to resize the Linux partition?  I mean, is there a
way other than backing up all the data on the Linux partition, deleting that
partition, then resizing the DOS partition, then remounting the Linux partition,
then restoring the data on it.

I've downloaded quite a bit of stuff for installing Linux.  I don't remember
exactly, but I think it was all the a,ap,x,xd,xv and a few other disks (all the
gnu stuff too).  All tolled, I think I've got about 40+.  The HOWTO says a
ROUGH estimate is about 2.5 megs per disk.  I'm just not sure how much to
allocate for this thing.  250 seems fine but I would love to get away with 200
so DOS would have more room to breathe.

Thanks,

DT

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From: [email-masked] (Josef Dalcolmo)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: 12 Sep 1994 20:51:14 GMT

For your information:

It's not the speed of the electrons in a cable that counts (and which is
much smaller than the speed of light) but it's the speed of the
electromagnetic wave, which depends on material constants and the geometry.
In most common cables however, the signal speed is approximtely 2/3 of the
speed of light in vacuum.

P.S. I sincereley believe the former posts were jokes ...

- Josef

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From: [email-masked] (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs
Date: 13 Sep 1994 03:58:33 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Harrison Picot) writes:
] In article <[email-masked]>, J.J. Paijmans <[email-masked]> wrote:
] >And it is so bloody stupid... Linux offers a new way to boost
] >WP-sales, which is a BIG seller, and all they can do is wave with
] 
] If WP is going to give away software, why not give it to those of
] us that paid for the development?  Like me, I have bought it, DOS
] and Unix, since DOS 4.2.  Looks silly doesn't it, they should make
] me pay, because I did the in the past, and give it you for free, in
] that hopes that the best selling UNIX application of all time can
] sell more?  If they give it away, they aren't going to be able to
] sell any more.  And if they give to you when I'm the one that paid to
] see it written, are you going to give them a job?  You can write your
] own editor; WordPerfect is for business.  And if you need it for 
] business, shame on you for wanting to sell another's labor as your own.

The assumption that J.J. is making is that geeks use Linux and geeks
have input on what software a company buys.

This is somewhat farcical, in its assumptions:

1)      I am a geek (in the computer, not the Happy Days sense 8-)).

2)      I don't use Linux except in glancing (ie: I hardly ever compile
        any of the code from it, but I look at some of the code for
        various reasons, like writing a Linux execution class for an
        operating system I do use to run Linux binaries).

3)      I have little input on what my company buys.

On the other hand, if I were a student running Linux, I might carry my
prejudices into the workplace after graduation.

At the very least, the free software would not be in a competitive market
with non-free versions.

On the other hand, since I can run Linux binaries on my non-Linux machine,
one of these binaries could be WordPerfect.  8-).

An interesting lemma.

                                        Terry Lambert
                                        [email-masked]
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
From: yvain@bizo (Chris Albone)
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:30:30 GMT

Richard Ward ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Nagy) writes:
: >  Jeez, everybody should get a clue...  All this doubletalk about 
: >electron drift when it's OBVIOUS that the problem is that his speakers 
: >are too far away from his head... The speed of sound, remember?  And you 
: >guys are worried about the speed of electrons, sheesh. <g>
: >  I'm sure if he used headphones the problem would disappear. (As long as 
: >he didn't use one of those curly headphone cord extenders....)
: >
: >                                             Dave Nagy
: 
: Let's not forget that large headed people will hear a definite lag due to the 
: extra length of their auditory system.  You wouldn't believe how long it can 
: take sound to get through the ears of extremely large headed people!  Even  
: normal headed people with large ears are having SFX lag time problems.  Why, 
: Ross Perot gave up DOOM because it took a week for the sounds to find their 
: through his ears.
I would have suspected that he would have given up Doom
because of the soundwaves interfering constructively inside his skull, and
considering that there is little in the way of material to dampen sound in 
there, it must have been uncomfortable.
have n
: 
: Richard
: 

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From: [email-masked] (SCOT ME UP BEAMIE!)
Subject: SLIP/TCIP
Date: 13 Sep 1994 03:31:34 GMT

I have the N set installed (the TCIP), how do I set up SLIP now? I have all the necessary info (IP adresses, etc, etc) and I already configured my 'network'..

I want to connect over the modem..

Thanks

Q

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Stockton)
Subject: Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:03:37 GMT

Matthew Grant ([email-masked]) wrote:
: The New NOISE has started.  We are about to be invaded by " How do you do
: XXX with Doom?".

: Lets control the flood and get it out of the road before it starts!

: -- 
:     _/  _/   __/   _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/  _/  _/_/  _/  _/     Matthew A. Grant
:    _/_/_/  _/  _/   _/     _/   _/_ _/  _/_   _/  _/    1 Domain Tce, Chch. NZ.
:   _/  _/  _/_/_/   _/     _/   _/_/_/  _/    _/_/_/   (03) 338-4287
:  _/  _/  _/  _/   _/     _/   _/  _/  _/_/  _/  _/  [email-masked]      

You have my vote.  Or maybe they should start using alt.games.doom.
--
Mark Stockton
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Adam J. Richter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil FTP site
Date: 12 Sep 1994 18:41:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,  <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Is there a problem with the ftp site at Yggdrasil, I keep getting an unknown 
>host from ftp.yggdrasil.com?

        ftp.yggdrasil.com == 192.216.244.52

-- 
Adam J. Richter                           Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
(408) 261-6630                            "Free Software For The Rest of Us."

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: WANTED: info and experience with double.
Date: 9 Sep 1994 11:15:32 -1000

I understand double is like Stacker, but for Linux. Is this true? Does
it work? What is the compression ratio? Opinions?

Thanks.

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From: [email-masked] (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: gcc 2.6.x upgrade
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rick Kelly)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 03:28:17 GMT

Nicholas J. Leon ([email-masked]) wrote:

: I remember reading a Dr. Dobbs journal a while ago about the guys at Watcom and their
: first test of the Pentium. If I remember right, they remarked that the difference
: between 486 ops and Pent. ops was about 15-20% when they patched their C compiler.
: I would like to see this for myself <grin>

This would imply that if you have an Intel 486DX2/66 then you shouldn't buy
a Pentium/60 as the price/performance ratio will suck.

This is a Rick Kelly rule that everyone is free to flame:

"If you're going to upgrade your motherboard make sure that the clock speed
of the new motherboard is >= the clock speed of your old motherboard."

There ain't no free lunch.  

I have had some exposure to the Intel ICC compiler that optimizes code
on the Pentium and the 486.  It hates hand-optimized code and dumps core
easily.

-- 

Rick Kelly  [email-masked]  [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Pete Deuel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Games Make the OS (was: Re: Can't Run Doom!!)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 00:38:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Nicholas J. Leon) writes:

>When I try to run Doom on my Linux box I get the following error
>after I choose which scenerio I want to play:
>U_GetNumForName: SSTMINUS not found
>and then proceeds to exit.
>Does anyone know what I can do about this?

You see!  If you really want a popular OS, you really have to have some good 
games.  Never have I seen so many learn so much about linux all at once!

How many times do you think I was asked "Whass, uhh, I-P-uh-X?" when Doom came 
out for DOS/net (was it IPX?  I can't recall--I may be blocking this!)

Now, just to make it worse:  Doom needs sound support...  Oh, I've heard the 
machine guns and music and explosions galore, but I mean VOICE!  That's right, 
when I'm wandering around the Doom-scape, I wanna have a Mic plugged in to my 
PAS or SB and be able to beg for my life, or try to form alliances, or the 
like...

Jus' somethin' to chew on...

Pete
===================================================
     "Actually, I'm a lab mouse on stilts..."

     E-mail:  [email-masked]
===================================================

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: What about a vote on comp.os.linux.doom
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:33:54 GMT

[email-masked] (Matthew Grant) writes:

>The New NOISE has started.  We are about to be invaded by " How do you do
>XXX with Doom?".

>Lets control the flood and get it out of the road before it starts!

Forget it. If you want to discuss doom, then go to alt.games.doom where
it belongs.

-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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From: Alberto Vignani <[email-masked]>
Subject: Sony MiniDisc
Date: 13 Sep 1994 03:40:24 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anybody have some info about the new Sony MiniDiscs (or whatever they
are called)? I heard they will be 340MB magneto-optical R/W 2.5" discs 
costing less than 10$ apiece; the controller will be also very low-cost
(400$?), maybe with floppy interface, maybe IDE.
They are supposed to come in volume before the end of the year.
I'm curious to know if someone heard the same rumors, and/or knows if and
when this media will be supported by Linux.
Bye
Alberto

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: DOOM question
Date: 12 Sep 1994 01:41:45 GMT

H. Peter Anvin ([email-masked]) wrote:
> > WHAT ON EARTH IS DOOM ? I know it's a Wolfenstein like (seek and destroy)
> > game, but I don't think that is ment here.
> > 

> Check out comp.os.linux.announce.  DOOM! for Linux just came out.

That's not the answer to the question. The answer to the question is that
YES we are talking about the Wolfenstein-like game. 

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