Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #752
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Linux-Misc Digest #752, Volume #2                Tue, 13 Sep 94 12:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Mads Meisner-Jensen)
  Re: linux-1.1.50 (Matthias Bruestle)
  Re: Doom for Linux - status window (Tom F Karlsson)
  DOOM pretty fast ! (Dongxiao Yue)
  Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  PPP/IP Forwarding Problem ([email-masked])
  Matrox video cards supported? (Donald R Lloyd)
  Re: Word Processor Project: What happened? (Lars Hofhansl)
  Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Guy Bobenrieth)
  Re: Linux DOOM is very impressive! (Jim Sun)
  Re: linux-1.1.50 (Peter Suetterlin)
  RE: window/screen mngr tool: (Paul Smith)
  Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom (Ludovic Brenta)
  Re: DOOM linux with TERM (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Keith Bergen)
  Re: Doom for Linux - status window (Steve VanDevender)
  Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (Eckehard Stolz)
  Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have? (Eckehard Stolz)
  Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ?? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Linux Doom comments. (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Use of (L)GPLed libraries (S. Joel Katz)
  Re: Games Make the OS (was: Re: Can't Run Doom!!) (Ludovic Brenta)

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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
From: [email-masked] (Mads Meisner-Jensen)
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 11:36:04 GMT

[all stuff deleted]

All this talk about DOOM in X-windows, and nobody saying anything of
where it can be obtained?

Where is it?

Does it run at acceptable speed (I have 50MHz486, 8MB RAM, CLGD5428,
Linux 1.09)?

Thanks

Mads
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From: [email-masked] (Matthias Bruestle)
Subject: Re: linux-1.1.50
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 21:42:18 GMT

Mahlzeit

> Version 1.1.50 has been posted several several hours ago to ftp.funet.fi.
> Before upgrading my PC from version 1.1.8 to 1.1.50 I would like to know
> if anyone has already installed version 1.1.50 on his system and whether
> there are any problems with it.
I would also be interessted, what programs I must change if I upgrade
from 1.1.22 to 1.1.50.

                        Mahlzeit

-- 
A leap ahead... through insanity.

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From: [email-masked] (Tom F Karlsson)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: Doom for Linux - status window
Date: 13 Sep 1994 12:10:27 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Stephen Herrod) writes:

> Does anyone else have the problem that the status window with the
> guy's head and health doesn't show up? I just get the whole window
> filled with the dungeon view and have no idea how much health is left.

Press the '-' key and you'll see the status bar again...
('+' and '-' increases/decreases the game screen size viewed)

/Tom
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From: [email-masked] (Dongxiao Yue)
Subject: DOOM pretty fast !
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 06:18:39 GMT

I just downloaded linuxdoom, it is very fast.
Using the shareware version doom1.wad, it seems to be much faster under linux
than dos. The problem is I used to play it with the mouse, now I can only
use the keys. 

I am runing it in the following enviroment:
 DX2/66, 12MB, ISA Bus, VGA monitor, 1MB video ram, fvwm.

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From: [email-masked] (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 20:32:01 GMT

Lasermoon Info Desk ([email-masked]) wrote:

: PC-PLUS, is the first of UK's leading PC magazines to give Linux the
: recognition it deserves and is not only devoting editorial space but, in
: conjunction with Lasermoon Ltd, is also :

:   +++ including a copy of Slackware 2.0 on the Front-Cover CD-ROM +++

: The CD-ROM will appear on almost 40,000 copies!!! which for the price of
: the magazine probably represents the biggest ultra low-cost release of
: Linux anywhere in the world.

Ahh!  Now for the real question:  Does this CD include all the
relevant GPL'd source? and if not, what provisions is PC-PLUS
making to distribute the source "on the same media"?  I could
easily see FSF making a stink if the source were not available
for the asking on CD-ROM at "cost" - which is pretty low for a
CD-ROM in quantity.

     - Larry Doolittle   [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 06:43:41 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Erik Blass ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi !

: So, you are all lucky, You can run DOOM, my linuxxdoom exits with a:
:  
:           "Error: W_GetNumForName: STBAR not found!"

: Erik
You're using an OLD wad-file (<1.666); get the one on sunsite and it'll
work ! (had the same problem with my old DOS wad-file...)
Sebastian

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From: [email-masked]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:23:37 PDT

I'm running Linux 1.1.49 and attempting to configure it as a router between my 
local Ethernet and my Internet provider. I've posted on this before but maybe I 
posted it in the wrong place (in fact, I'm almost sure I did!)

Network Architecture:

        =============================================== (local Ethernet)
                |                       |
        +--------------+        +--------------+
        | 486dx2/66 PC |        | 486dx33 Linux|
        | Win/Chameleon|        | V1.1.49 PPP  |
        | 199.1.142.2  |        | 199.1.142.254|
        +--------------+        +--------------+
                                        |
                                +--------------+
                                | 14.4K modem  |
                                +--------------+
                                        |
                                +--------------+
                                | Term Server  |
                                | 199.1.11.4   |
                                +--------------+

Symptoms:
        After booting Linux, my Windows box can access Linux w/o problems
        Confirmed that CONFIG_IP_FORWARDING is defined in kernel
        After starting PPP
                routing tables are updated, default route = term server
                Linux can access the net w/o problems using the default route
                Internet hosts can access Linux w/o problems
        However, neither local or internet hosts can access a machine on the
                far side of the Linux box being used as a router.
        I can see the incomming packets being counted in /proc/net/dev, but I 
                never see packets being sent out the other interface.

I've tried to reach the linux-activists mailing list without success, and for 
some reason I cannot subscribe to comp.os.linux.help even though my news server 
 is supposed to have the group. So this seems to be my last resort.

Would someone running as near to an identical configuration as this PLEASE 
email me as to how their system is configured. If I can't get this resolved in 
short order, I'm going to have to trash Linux and look for another routing 
solution. (And to think I was so impressed with Linux to begin with.... Well... 
I still am... BUT THIS IS FRUSTRATING!). Additional information on my 
configuration by email only. I'll post the solution if it seems to be of 
general interest.

        Thanx in advance
                John Barrett <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Donald R Lloyd)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Matrox video cards supported?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 08:38:18 -0400

I'm thinking of upgrading my video card to a VRAM based PCI card.  I'm looking
at possibly getting the new Matrox Impression 2+, which is a bit 
expensive but has some built-in 3D capability and a socket to add a 
motion video decompression chip. 

Is there any Linux support for this card or other Matrox cards?  (No need
to support the 3D stuff or the video decompression... I just want to be
able to run X on it).

Failing that, what Linux-supported PCI video cards would folks 
recommend?

-- 
Don Lloyd    [email-masked]          "Mmmmmm.... floor pie."

Stuck using a PC, but still an Amiga guy at heart...

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From: [email-masked] (Lars Hofhansl)
Crossposted-To: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Word Processor Project: What happened?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>
[...]
>
>You can run Unix WordPerfect right now using the Linux IBCS emulation code...
>It supports both text and X (GUI WYSIWUG) out of the box.  Cost is about
>$299
>

Go and get "andrew" from sunsite. It's wysiwyg, it's good, it's fast, and it's
for free.

sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/andrew/...

The package is divided into several parts. You need at least the basic part
"auis63L1-wp.tgz" which is the wordprocessing stuff (and is unfortunately
20k to big to fit on a single disk).

Lars

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From: [email-masked] (Guy Bobenrieth)
Subject: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 15:09:55 GMT

I'm looking for informations about this CD ans its quality
Thanks for sending them to me : contains, installation, ...

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From: [email-masked] (Jim Sun)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM is very impressive!
Date: 13 Sep 1994 15:00:13 GMT

[email-masked] (Trent Piepho) wrote:

>I've got a 486-66 /w 8 megs and a trident 8900cl (not 16 MHz), both of which
>should give slower performance than your system.  But my linuxdoom is just fine
>in full window size.  I think it is even faster than dos, but it will probably
>slow down when I turn on sound.  I think you just have some kind of setup 
>problem.  Does it say "using MIT-SHM" when is starts up?  

Yeah, it is my setting problem; linuxxdoom flies after I commented out the 
sndserver line in the .doomrc file.  I don't have sound installed in my 1.0
kernel; maybe it's time to install sound.  

Jim

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Suetterlin)
Subject: Re: linux-1.1.50
Date: 13 Sep 1994 11:47:22 GMT

Matthias Bruestle ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Mahlzeit
: > Version 1.1.50 has been posted several several hours ago to ftp.funet.fi.
: > Before upgrading my PC from version 1.1.8 to 1.1.50 I would like to know
: > if anyone has already installed version 1.1.50 on his system and whether
: > there are any problems with it.
: I would also be interessted, what programs I must change if I upgrade
: from 1.1.22 to 1.1.50.
:                       Mahlzeit
: -- 
: A leap ahead... through insanity.

Dosemu, for shure. Besides that, everything I use seems to work.

  Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: RE: window/screen mngr tool:
Date: 13 Sep 1994 06:03:30 -0700

Several people have responded to my original question:

What split window / multi-window management tools are out there for
dumb terminals for starting several tasks with their output sent
to a seperate scrolling window.  I'd prefer support for up to 3 windows
being managed.

The answers were:

BSD's: window tool; window.tar.Z on many BSD archives.  Unfortunatly it's
a hack to get this to compile and actually run on SVSV.

Has anybody ported BSD's window to SYSV, SVR4.2??

Splitvt; The latest version is 1.5.6 on unix.hensa.ac.uk in the Linux,
terminal stuff dir; splitvt-1.5.6.tgz

The above tool is supposed to manage 2 windows (split)...  I've yet to
attempt to unpack and compile on SVR4 so no insights yet.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks so far, please mail responses to: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Ludovic Brenta)
Subject: Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom
Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Ludovic Brenta)

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Mark Stockton) writes:
> Matthew Grant ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : The New NOISE has started.  We are about to be invaded by " How do you do
> : XXX with Doom?".
> 
> : Lets control the flood and get it out of the road before it starts!
> 
> You have my vote.  Or maybe they should start using alt.games.doom.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, and start talking about Linux to the MS-DOS masses :-)

                                                  Ludovic.

                                                                                                                         

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From: [email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: DOOM linux with TERM
Date: 13 Sep 1994 14:19:03 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Rejhon <[email-masked]> writes:

    Mark> If you use TIA (The Internet Adaptor) on the remote end, you
    Mark> should be able to run Linux DOOM on a shell account without
    Mark> SLIP/PPP!

    Mark> TIA is a program that you run on the remote shell account to
    Mark> emulate a SLIP / PPP server.  You simply run your
    Mark> Linux/unix/DOS/Windows SLIP/PPP software on your local end.

    Mark> It supports TCP and UDP (not ICMP).  I hear that Linux DOOM
    Mark> uses only TCP and/or UDP so it should work with TIA.  You
    Mark> can have a free trial of TIA.  Get documents from FTP or WWW
    Mark> at marketplace.com ....

    Mark> Mark Rejhon

OK, I decided to checkout the competition.  I see TIA is only
supported on 386bsd, bsdi, spark.solaris, and spark.sunos.  So
even if I wanted to I couldn't buy your program.  Anyways I'm
sure I'll have the linuxxdoom binary patched for term support
by the end of this week.  (Although a recompiled version would
be alot better.)  So you term users, get your practice
now.  Anyways, I haven't tried TIA so don't take this as an
endorsement, or an anti-endorsement...  If they ever do a 
TitanOS port, I'd love to give it a spin and see if by interphasing
to the SLIP/PPP driver they have bypassed any of the problems that
have been driving me crazy.

                                  Bill

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From: [email-masked] (Keith Bergen)
Crossposted-To: biz.config
Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux*
Date: 13 Sep 1994 15:09:43 GMT

Spire Technologies ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Alan Cox) writes:

: >In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Steve Wicke) writes:
: >>The reasoning I have for wanting to start a biz.* heirachy for linux is 
: >>that there are commercial vendors now addresses the need for 
: >>professional Linux support. Professional support costs money...ie; is 
: >>commercial and people on the net (including myself) have a tendacy to be 
: >>a little snide towards commercial posts in non commercial areas. I would 

: >Well I'd certain back the idea.

: >Alan
:  
:  Thanks....

I agree that biz.comp.linux is a good Idea.
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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
From: [email-masked] (Steve VanDevender)
Subject: Re: Doom for Linux - status window
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 19:43:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Stephen Herrod) writes:

   Does anyone else have the problem that the status window with the
   guy's head and health doesn't show up? I just get the whole window
   filled with the dungeon view and have no idea how much health is left.

Try pressing '-'.  You probably just expanded the view window to
the maximum size; you could have done this in DOS too.

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From: [email-masked] (Eckehard Stolz)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs
Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:15:30 GMT

Hi !

Just to add my point of view (as a very satisfied WPWin-user) to this threat:

- I would love to see WP for Linux at a reasonable price

- Since most of the Linux-boxes are stand-alone PC's, a non-network version would
   be sufficient.

- In todays world, not only sales are important but also the percentage of the
  market (sp ?). It should be in Novells/WordPerfects intention to spread as much
  versions of WP in the market as possible (I mean selling at reasonable price -
  - not giving away for free ). One big advantage of WP visa MS-Word is IMHO the 
  availability of WP on different platforms. 

My conclusion:

Novell should make a Linux-only, no-network version of WP available at a price
comparable to a DOS/Windows version (including students discounts). The Linux
community could profit by getting more acceptance for Linux because of a native
port of WP. And Novell/WP could profit by aquiring a new, relativly closed 
market with no competitor at all. And it would increase the Unix-based
WP-user-base as well (esp. if Linux gets ported to other platforms like MIPS,
Alpha, PowerPC, 68x00, ...).

Any Opinions ?

cu

Eckehard
==================================================================
Eckehard Stolz
Internet : [email-masked]
           [email-masked]
Linux-TUM: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Eckehard Stolz)
Subject: Re: Anyone running on 386sx? How much mem do you have?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:18:45 GMT

Hey, I run Linux on a 386SX/16 with only 2 Megs of RAM. But I have to admit, I
had to add 4 Megs for the install (I got a kernel panic with only 2 Megs).

But after installing LST 1.8, I remove the 4 Megs again and it works (and swaps
:-) perfectly !

cu

Eckehard 
==================================================================
Eckehard Stolz
Internet : [email-masked]
           [email-masked]
Linux-TUM: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: DOOM, X, Linux, 320x200 video mode ??
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 12:43:04 GMT

[email-masked] (Miguel de Icaza) writes:

>> >How can I run doom w/o a window manager though.. I haven't been able to yet.
>> 
>> Ditto that question.
>> 
>> WHen I have xinit simply start doom, the colormap of the doom window
>> never becomes active -- I get a black, and a white, and that's it.

>I would recomend using the twm, since fvwm grabs the Alt-arrow
>combinations, so you can't use the straffe feature.

>I haven't had time to check this personaly, but it seems that olwm
>grabs shift-arrows, so no fast movement with olwm.

See my posting in comp.linux.admin.  The reason youneed a window manager
is probably color reservation and management since doom grabs most of the
available colors.
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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux Doom comments.
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 12:52:18 GMT

[email-masked] (Miguel de Icaza) writes:

>> When using the Ctrl-Key (FIRE) at the same time than the arrows, I switch 
>> to the other rooms (screens). The only way out of this is to run Olwm instead
>> of fvwm or others mwm like.

>Try twm, since it seems that olwm is grabbing the shift-keys, so you
>don't have full speed.

Or simply remap the meta/special keys in the window manager of your choice.
I believe the setup file is in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults
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From: [email-masked] (S. Joel Katz)
Subject: Re: Use of (L)GPLed libraries
Date: 13 Sep 1994 11:39:10 -0400

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Peter Jones) writes:

>We are planning to release a piece of commercial software for both
>System V Release 4.2 and Linux.

>On Linux, the program will be compiled with GCC and linked with the
>stanard shared libc.

>I have been following the debate about what the GPL does and does not
>cover.  I have read (again) the GPL and the LGPL.

>I have hexdumped the binaries we are planning to sell.

>As far as I can tell, there is no reason for our software to infringe
>the GPL/LPGL.  They include no code from static libraries.  Macros and
>other header features are all under the 10-line limit (to the best of
>my research).

>Can anyone think of anything else that might prevent us from shipping
>a Linux version of this software, from a licencing viewpoint?

        I have two written legal opinions that since the GPL licenses 
everyone to use the software, your software would only be distributed to 
licensed users of all the GPLd code. Therefore, you have nothing to worry 
about.

-- 

S. Joel Katz            Information on Objectivism, Linux, 8031s, and more
[email-masked]      is available at http://www.panix.com/stimpson/
        Time flies like an arrow -- fruit flies like a banana.

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From: [email-masked] (Ludovic Brenta)
Subject: Re: Games Make the OS (was: Re: Can't Run Doom!!)
Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:23:48 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Ludovic Brenta)

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Rob Janssen) writes:
> In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Pete Deuel) writes:
> 
> Please keep DOOM off comp.os.linux.development
> .misc is the right place for it, until everyone is convinced it needs a
> newsgroup of its own...

        It has one : alt.games.doom
                  I agree : don't post DOOM articles in the comp.os.linux.*
hierarchy. You make me sick ! I only have a 386 DX-25 with 4 Mb RAM,
so I don't hope I can run DOOM here. Please go to alt.games.doom, or
I'll just go CRAZY ! :-)

                  
                                                                 Ludovic.

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