Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #762
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:14:39 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #762, Volume #2                Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:14:39 EDT

Contents:
  Word Processor for Linux? (Adam Wasserman)
  Re: What is a BogoMIP? (Jake Colman)
  Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Mark Stockton)
  Compaq Contura Aero (Jerod Tufte)
  Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (Mark Stockton)
  Linux help manual (Bill Short)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (rodrigo vanegas)
  Re: POSIX threads for Linux :Wanted (Marc Fraioli)
  Re: When can a new  system-admin-guide be expected?? (James C. Graves)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.help reorganization (Matt Welsh)
  tin newsreader? (Benjamin Alman)
  Re: Anyone have a 3c505 driver? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux DOOM is very impressive! (Alan Cox)
  Re: bootp problems (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (Alan Cox)
  Re: DOOM (Re: 320x200 X resolution?) (Harry C Pulley)
  Re: Accelerated-X for Linux (Gary William Flake)
  What is the granularity of the Linux clock ? (Kevin Esler)
  Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Convert P5 90 -> 100 ? (Lee Wai Han)

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From: [email-masked] (Adam Wasserman)
Subject: Word Processor for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:12:36 GMT

I'd like to obtain a word processor for linux, of the MS Word or IslandWrite
variety:  WYSIWIG, menu-driven, et. al.  Does any of you know of such a beast?
Please email me in addition to posting, particularly if you have one installed
(vendor email invited as well).

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If linux had 1) a good word processor, 2) Quicken, and 3) ran my dos/windows
multi-media toys, I'd wipe dos/windows off my disk completely.  Assistance
appreciated!

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| Adam Wasserman   Sakura Global Capital   [email-masked] |
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From: [email-masked] (Jake Colman)
Subject: Re: What is a BogoMIP?
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:16:19 GMT

H. Peter Anvin ([email-masked]) wrote:

: It's one MIPS - two MIPS.  Anyway.  The BogoMIPS number is a
: measurement of how fast your machine does absolutely nothing.

So what is its relevance?

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21st Floor
New York, NY  10285

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Stockton)
Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM!
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 00:44:05 GMT

Bill West ([email-masked]) wrote:
: This thread started as a joke and now it is a debate over operating
: systems:-)
: --
: ******************************************************************************
: Bill West
: Houston TX
: email: [email-masked]
: ******************************************************************************

Yep.  

Someone please give Rich Hall 'net access.  I think we need some new 
nouns and adjectives on Usenet.  In his place, I'd like to present this
sniglet:

cybernality: n.  That hidden part of a person's character that only 
surfaces on Usenet.

--
Mark Stockton
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Jerod Tufte)
Subject: Compaq Contura Aero
Date: 15 Sep 1994 01:28:12 GMT

has anyone tried to run Linux on this machine?  I'm thinking of getting
one for light work, to complement my main linux system, and I was
wondering if there were any problems with it and linux.  I noticed in
the bios messages that it supported the Plug-n-play standard.

thanks,
Jerod

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Check out BruceNet at http://b62528.student.cwru.edu/   "Groovy!" --Ash
[email-masked]  <<< finger me for PGP2.5 public key*****

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
From: [email-masked] (Mark Stockton)
Subject: Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 00:37:55 GMT

For myself and at least one other person, the fix was to upgrade to 
kernel 1.1.50.  It's in the Incoming directory on sunsite.  In my case, 
since my slip server itself uses a Cisco for it's default route, I also had
to answer no to "Assume subnets are local".

MarkS

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Short)
Subject: Linux help manual
Date: 14 Sep 1994 16:48:08 -0500

Hi, I need a Linux help manual in ps or text could someone tell me where
that might be or where the faq is?  
                                        Thanks,
                                        William

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:52:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Matt Welsh) writes:
>Those "disclaimers" don't relieve the fundamental problems that
>people perceive with the GPL, namely, the fact that (a) source
>mustg be provided, and (b) modifications must be copylefted as
>well.

Well the problem is what constitutes an interface and thats something GNU
do need to clean up. There are numerous other little problems with it like
any other license

eg      -       Can BSD code be incorporated and redistributed as part
                of a GPL program: Specifically does the BSD license
                requirement for credits in the documentation etc count
                as an 'additional restriction' on distribution as the GPL
                requires there are none. If it does (as my legal info says)
                then you can't mix BSD with GPL and distribute the result.
                If it doesn't can I therefore sell software GPL'd but with
                a documentation requirement of must come with this expensive
                booklet I've written ?

        -       How do inline functions in include files related to the GPL

        -       What about structures from include files

        -       When is a dynamic link a dynamic link 

        -       Interface issues. If I build a system that can use an LGPL
                shared library I don't have to give a damn about the LGPL -
                It hasn't got any gnu code in it and if people choose to
                plug the two together its up to them.

A GPL v3 seems needed for at least one of these issues.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (rodrigo vanegas)
Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:08:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Scott Howard) writes:

> : Since when did FSF start demanding that distributors give this
> : stuff away at cost?  I was under the impression that they could
> : sell it for anything they wanted.  The distributor, however, could
> : not control what the purchaser does with it.

> From the FSF COPYING file...

> b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
> years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
> cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
> machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be

This only applies if the original sale did not already include a copy
of the source code.  The intent here is that there should be no
opportunity for a company to sell a program object code (such as a
binary) for a low price and then the source code for a high price so
that the profit once again derives from the "restricted" access to the
source code.  If, however, the program is delivered in one package
which includes the source code, then it may be sold at any price.

The idea is simple.  You can sell GPLed code, you just can't sell it
without also providing ready access to its source code.  If you want
to distribute without the hassle of delivering megs of C files to
users who usually won't care, then there is a provision (quoted above)
to make life easy for you.

rodrigo vanegas
[email-masked]

ps. Followups to gnu.misc.discuss

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: POSIX threads for Linux :Wanted
Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:59:04 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There should be an implementation at rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/pthreads that 
compiles on Linux out of the box.  Compliant with some draft or other
of POSIX.4.

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Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: [email-masked] (James C. Graves)
Subject: Re: When can a new  system-admin-guide be expected??
Date: 13 Sep 1994 20:29:55 -0500

I just called O'Reilly & Associates today.  The Linux Network
Administrator's Guide will be delayed until December, but they are
taking back orders now.  The operator I talked to heard that there
are plans for another book.

Also highly recommended is: TCP/IP Network Administration.  It has
general info on the protocols, routing, name service, sendmail, and a
little security.  Also has a good section on troubleshooting.

O'Reilly: (800) 998-9938  or [email-masked]

Later Dudes,

James

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: [email-masked] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.help reorganization
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:47:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> Dave Sill <[email-masked]> writes:
>I recently conducted a straw poll in comp.os.linux.help 

Probably not the best group to conduct such a poll.

>    2. Create: 
>       comp.os.linux.answers
>           For posting Linux FAQs and How-To's.  This will help keep the
>           traffic down in the c.o.l.help.* groups--only a single "Read
>           before posting"-type message will be required.

This is what comp.os.linux.announce is for. It has been around for
some time, it's moderated, and it's got a readership of over 150,000.
Why on earth would you want to create another group?

M. Welsh

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From: [email-masked] (Benjamin Alman)
Crossposted-To: wpi.system.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: tin newsreader?
Date: 15 Sep 1994 13:45:18 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
look here (i think)

I use tin (well, rtin) to read news here... on my own pc on the .Res 
subdomain... and whenever I post a message, it shows my address as
[email-masked]  - (of course i have gotten it so that when 
people reply, it works fine... but why does it display this? and how can 
I fix it? thanks! email any responses please!

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From: Ben Alman, Internet: [email-masked], My PC: [email-masked]
Linux 1.1.50 + XFree386-2.1.1, Slackware 2.0 on an i486 DX/2-66 with 20mb RAM 
It's just the age, It's just a stage, We disengage, We turn the page... -Rush

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 3c505 driver?
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:41:47 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Forkboy) writes:
>Subject says it all. Anyone have one? Know where I could find one? I've
>looked on the ftp sites, and haven't found one yet. It isn't terribly
>important, but I would like to be able to use my 3c505 under Linux.

It's in the ALPHA test drivers in 1.1.50 - dunno how well it works 8)

Alan
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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM is very impressive!
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:45:51 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Trent Piepho) writes:
>slow down when I turn on sound.  I think you just have some kind of setup 
>problem.  Does it say "using MIT-SHM" when is starts up?  

Whoops... now thats an embarassing oversight. Make config; make dep; make
and its now playable :)

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: bootp problems
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:53:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Brian Quandt) writes:
>GeAtting the follwoing out of bootp can anyone hlep, I'm running 
>a slackware install upgraded to 1.1.35 of the os
>
>ioctl(SIOCSARP) protocol family not supported.

Get the upgraded bootp from sunacm.swan.ac.uk in the Upgrades directory

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:56:08 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Scott Howard) writes:
>    b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
>    years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
>    cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
>    machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be

But all the CD-ROM vendors include all the sources anyway (see section (a))
instead.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Harry C Pulley)
Subject: Re: DOOM (Re: 320x200 X resolution?)
Date: 15 Sep 1994 12:41:30 GMT

Teemu Kilpivuori ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Philippe Steindl ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : > 
: : > Note that pixel doubling/tripling doesn't work, and sound only
: : > works with a 16 bit soundcard.  (Anyone want to sell one cheap? *grin*)

: : Nope, that's wrong :-) There is a newer version on sunsite now, where  
: : pixel doubling and tripling are fixed. The 16 bit soundcard thing is true,  
: : though...

: Not anymore. I found a package called doom_16to8bit_snd.tar.gz 
: (or something like that) from ftp.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/Incoming

: I haven't tried it yet, so I don't no if it works, but ...

It works great!  The sound isn't perfect and it is a bit late (but I hear that
it is late on a real 16 bit card too?) but it is much better than silence.  I
fight a lot better when I can hear my opponents.

Harry
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==================================+=====================|This thought in mind,
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From: [email-masked] (Gary William Flake)
Subject: Re: Accelerated-X for Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:28:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jeremy Chatfield  <[email-masked]> wrote:
>X Inside Inc has a high performance X Server available for Linux.
>The server is a replacement for the XFree86 Server (i.e. install 
>XFree86 server, fonts, clients and libs and then install 
>Accelerated-X Server).  The server supports modern high performance 
>graphics accelerator chipsets, such as the Matrox MGA series, ATI 
>Mach 64, S3 964, Number 9 I-128, Cirrus GD5434, etc.
 ^^^^^^^

Actually, this is not true.  We purchased the ``Accelerated'' X server
from X-Inside a few weeks ago.  We also purchased an ATI MACH 64
specifically because of this and other advertisements which make such
claims.  After working through versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the server
without success, I called them back to get some technical assistance.
They finally told me that a later release would fix the problem (It's
not that the performance was poor -- the server never worked at all.)
They promised to FedEx a working version to me ASAP.  It never
arrived.  I called back.  It was to arrive yesterday.  Still nothing.

Jeremy Chatfield has not returned a single phone call.  Gary Anderson
was great at selling me on X-Inside but has failed to produce a
working product or deliver any of his promises.  I am actively
seeking a refund.

Let the buyer beware.

Regards,
Gary Flake, Ph.D.
-- 
Gary W. Flake,  [email-masked],  Phone: 609-734-3676,  Fax: 609-734-6565
USPS: Siemens Corporate Research,  755 College Road East,  Princeton, NJ  08540

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Esler)
Subject: What is the granularity of the Linux clock ?
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: Kevin Esler <[email-masked]>

Can a Linux user tell me what is the length of the clock tick on Linux ?
The following program, when compiled and run, will print it out:

>-----------------------------------------------------------------<
#include <unistd.h>
main ()
{
    printf ("%d\n", sysconf(_SC_CLK_TCK));
}
>-----------------------------------------------------------------<

Secondly, has anyone experimented with making the timer granularity
finer ?  If so, what sort of overhead is incurred ?

-- 
Kevin Esler //hewlett-packard/cso/stg/std/mll (MA Language Lab)
[email-masked]   (508) 436-5979

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From: [email-masked] (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ?
Date: 14 Sep 1994 19:55:09 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Andrew Krenz <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Most bang for the buck:  Get a 486dx2-66, and make sure it's an AMD
>cpu, not Intel.  Then, get a motherboard that you can easily change the
>bus speed settings, via jumpers.  A friend of mine bought the above 
>combination for $290 (MB + CPU) at a computer show, and the AMD chip
>happily cruises along at an overclocked 80mhz.  He ran Doom running
>demo mode for 4 days straight without a crash.  His Norton SI is 
>152, compared with ~124 at 66mhz, annd 190 for a P5-60.  However, I 
>heard a rumor that AMD is catching on and now calling their chips 
>DX2-80's, so you might want to buy soon while they're cheap.

Yup, I'm doing this. I get 40.something BogoMips on it. I'm using an AMD 
486DX2-66 with an SiS 486-471 VL bus motherboard.

One catch. It crashes randomly unless I have the case cover off and a 
desk fan blowing on the motherboard. And yes, I do have a fan on the case 
(*and* a CPU fan), but it wasn't enough.

I'd still recommend it, though. There's a hole on the case to mount a 
second fan, and I think once I do that the problems will clear up -- the  
one that came with the case is pretty weak.

Pat

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From: [email-masked] (Lee Wai Han)
Subject: Convert P5 90 -> 100 ?
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:03:12 GMT

We already heard that AMD dx2-66 can be work as dx2-80.

But do anybody think/had tried to work P5 90 at frequency of 100?
Or work P5 60 at frequency 66MHz?

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