Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #764
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:13:56 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #764, Volume #2                Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:13:56 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) (dmin Frank Slootweg)
  Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (David Fox)
  Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (Andrew Krenz)
  Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (Mihail S. Iotov)
  Re: Linux with WINE?
  New to Linux! (Arigapudi)
  posting HOWTOs to c.o.l.announce (rodrigo vanegas)
  Re: Installing a new kernel on the Slackware Boot disk! (Onno Roep)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Joe Buck)
  Re: Go for Linux available! (Randy Hootman)
  SCSI 9 Track? (Ken Edwards)
  Re: Linux help manual (Randy Hootman)
  Re: DOSEMU0.52 problem (NJBIRDMAN)
  Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (now about SNARL) (Howard "the Duck" Taylor)
  Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Kai Petzke)
  Re: If GPL is true ... (Michael Will)
  Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Pierre Uszynski)

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From: [email-masked] (dmin Frank Slootweg)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 09:19:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware

Disclaimer: I am no lawyer, and certainly not speaking for my employer.

Mark A. Horton KA4YBR ([email-masked]) wrote:
> I certainly am no legal beagle, however it seems to me that by choosing the
> path of non-support for a given environment that its software can be made to
> run in (with additional non-vendor enhancements) that a company just might
> be abdicating its rights to copyright protection in said environment.  

  I do not know under which conditions WordPerfect is sold, but normally
why you buy a software product, you effectively buy only a license-to-use.
*If* you get media and/or documentation, then you only get those to be
able to exercise your right to use to product. You "own" the media and
documentation, but you are not allowed to copy them (except copying the
media for backup purposes). If you return the product (for a refund),
then you also return the license-to-use, so you are no longer allowed to
use it. Given this, it really does not matter whether or not the copy
you made is legal, you are not allowed to use it any longer.

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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ?
Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:59:10 GMT

Here's an interesting, if vague, data point.  I have a 486DX2/66
and a P90 networked together.  The P90 took the same time to compile
emacs (8.5 minutes elapsed) as the 66, with the 66 using a local
SCSI disk and the P90 using the same disk via NFS.
--
David Fox               I want my HDTV!                 xoF divaD
NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Krenz)
Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ?
Date: 14 Sep 1994 17:40:42 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Kevin Esler) writes:

>Does anybody have any benchmark figures on the relative raw CPU
>performance of:

>        486/dx2-66
>        Pentium 60
>        Pentium 66
>        Pentium 90

>I am planning to purchase a system and it seems like the price
>difference between the 486/dx2-66 and the P66 is about $300, and about
>another $300 difference to get to the P90.  I'm trying to allocate my
>$ resources in the best way possible.

>I realize that system performance depends on more than just CPU
>performance, by the way.

Most bang for the buck:  Get a 486dx2-66, and make sure it's an AMD
cpu, not Intel.  Then, get a motherboard that you can easily change the
bus speed settings, via jumpers.  A friend of mine bought the above 
combination for $290 (MB + CPU) at a computer show, and the AMD chip
happily cruises along at an overclocked 80mhz.  He ran Doom running
demo mode for 4 days straight without a crash.  His Norton SI is 
152, compared with ~124 at 66mhz, annd 190 for a P5-60.  However, I 
heard a rumor that AMD is catching on and now calling their chips 
DX2-80's, so you might want to buy soon while they're cheap.

Andy

--
Andrew Krenz  KE6BIP |  Warning:   This signature file has been determined 
[email-masked]  |  to cause cancer in laboratory animals. 

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From: [email-masked] (Mihail S. Iotov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.prog,dc.org.linux-users
Subject: Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem
Date: 14 Sep 1994 02:06:37 GMT

[email-masked] (Sean Williams) writes:

>/usr/lib/smail/routers that will correct this with the right config 
>in it.  The error is :

>Xdefer: <address> reason: <ERR_127> router uucp_neighbors :
>command '/usr/bin/uuname' returned exit status EX_32256

>I know calling uuname is a bug in SMAIL and a routers file will fix
>this but I don't know wht to put in it.

>What do I need to put in /usr/lib/smail/routers to get these messages
>delivered?  Thanks for the help.

Calling uuname is not a bug, you just have a uucp router in your routers 
file. Or is it that smail allways uses that router even if you comment it out
in the routers ? I don't remeber.

The easiest way out is to install uucp, then smail will call uuname to
find out that the mail is not going to one of your uucp_neighbours and 
will try the next router. 

Even a better solution is to disable all routers and use a smart_host instead.
In that way you avoid the problems with smail not looking up MX records.

Mihail Iotov

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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: Linux with WINE?
Date: 15 Sep 1994 11:02:09 GMT

Anthony K Kong ([email-masked]) wrote:

:Linux with WINE?

  I wouldnt recommend it. Nor using wine with any other Unix system.

  Using a Unix system with wine, after sleep, when you're sleepy,
 if you've had a good meal or if you're sick, can result in a
 rm * in the wrong place. Advice given in a book about Unix admin...

  Disclaimer: :-) sorry couldnt resist :-)

  C U!
 
   Mario Valente

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From: [email-masked] (Arigapudi)
Subject: New to Linux!
Date: 15 Sep 94 13:32:34 GMT

Hi,
        I recently heard about Linux and am very interested. I have
just bought a new 540M IDE harddrive. On reading the slakware_faq I
found that Linux has problems with 540M IDE harddrive (cyliders =16
instead of 32). Is this true for the latest (stable) version of Linux?

If not, what is that version?

Thanks for any help/info.
. 

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From: [email-masked] (rodrigo vanegas)
Subject: posting HOWTOs to c.o.l.announce
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:30:45 GMT

I've noticed that not all of the HOWTOs posted to announce are
cross-posted to news.answers?  Is there any particular reason for this
or is it just an oversight?  I care because our site keeps a local
cache of everything posted to news.answers and so it would be nice to
have everything in one place updating automatically.

rodrigo vanegas
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Onno Roep)
Subject: Re: Installing a new kernel on the Slackware Boot disk!
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 15:22:11 GMT

I installed a new kernel on an existing slackware bootfloppy.
1: mount floppy (mount /dev/fd0 /fd0)
2: copy zImage of your choice to /fd0
3: edit /fd0/etc/lilo.conf and add the new image
4: run lilo -r /dev/fd0

I hope I didn't forget anything , but I think the most essential is
the lilo -r (change root dir) found in /usr/doc/lilo

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Buck)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: 15 Sep 1994 18:48:21 GMT

[email-masked] (Michael I Bushnell) writes:
>          -    What about structures from include files
>
>Again, this depends on what the courts say is a "derived work".  It
>seems likely that use of data structure layouts does not constitute
>derivation, at the very least, if you compile without symbols.

In the AT&T vs BSDI/UCB case, the judge found that use of identical
structures was not a copyright violation because it was basically
a compatibility requirement.  Since this was only preliminary it's not an
official precedent.  Anyway, for FSF to assert control over data
structures even in GPLed code would be to assert an interface copyright.

>With the LGPL, there is a special exemption for data structure layouts.
>
>          -    When is a dynamic link a dynamic link 
>
>The FSF's legal documents never use this term, so it's definition
>doesn't matter.

In a way, this is unfortunate.  A lot of the uncertainty over the LGPL
is because people say "well, it looks like a dynamic link would satisfy
the requirements, but it doesn't say so specifically so I'm not sure".

-- 
-- Joe Buck     <[email-masked]>
Posting from but not speaking for Synopsys, Inc.

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Hootman)
Subject: Re: Go for Linux available!
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:27:34 GMT

It is now on sunsite.unc.edu as /pub/Linux/Incoming/xgoban-wally.tgz.

Randy
-- 

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     "In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings,
      we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Randy Hootman                Randysoft Software             (408) 229-0119

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Edwards)
Subject: SCSI 9 Track?
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 05:33:54 GMT

Is anyone using a SCSI 9 track controller?

In theory I would think that this would function like any other 
SCSI tape under Linux, but I want to make sure before plunking 
down any cash.

For some strange reason 9 tracks aren't mentioned in the Howtos :')

Any recommendations?

Thanks. Ken.

-- 

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Hootman)
Subject: Re: Linux help manual
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:33:39 GMT

Two of the best places to look are via anonymous ftp at:

sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu /pub/Linux

Look for the Linux HOW-TO's. In particular, you need the Linux 
Installation and Getting Started Guide by Matt Welsh. This is where to 
start and it is on the archive sites listed above.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Randy
-- 

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     "In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings,
      we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Randy Hootman                Randysoft Software             (408) 229-0119

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From: [email-masked] (NJBIRDMAN)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU0.52 problem
Date: 15 Sep 1994 11:36:08 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
(Konstantijn R.J. van Goor) writes:

I had the same problem. At that time I was running kernel 1.1.45. Nothing
seemed to work. I tried several other kernels, and finally I was lucky
with
kernel 1.1.29. I installed it, recompiled dosemu and it worked almost
rightaway.

I ended up with 1.1.22. I understand dosemo0.53 works with new kernels. Am
going to try it. Thanks.

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From: [email-masked] (Howard "the Duck" Taylor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (now about SNARL)
Date: 15 Sep 1994 16:17:57 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>For myself and at least one other person, the fix was to upgrade to 
>kernel 1.1.50.  It's in the Incoming directory on sunsite.  In my case, 
>since my slip server itself uses a Cisco for it's default route, I also had
>to answer no to "Assume subnets are local".
>
>MarkS

can someone explain the SNARL question in "make config"?  I am
trying to do something silimar as the originators of this thread.
I am not sure if the problem I have is a netmask issue with an
xterminal, or if I show worry about this SNARL question in the
kernel.  below I will describe the situation, and lotso output.

anybody have any ideas?
thanks,
--> howie
************************************************************************
=================== Gory Gory Details Follow ==============
************************************************************************

I have been given a 3bit subnet (6hosts+netaddr+broadcast) from
my internet provider.  I use my linux box to establish a slip
connection and want it to provide to routing for my subnet.
the subnet is very small right now - just my linuxpc and a sun3
as an xterm to the pc (running linux-Xkernel!).

here is a little experiment I have tried:
========================================================================
ping my sun3 xterminal from a host on the slip-server side...  to
check that the forwarding and routes were correct.... this is 
so I can throw up X stuff on my sun3 from other places on the net.

host definitions:
        picard          host on net of slip-server
        distraction     my linux pc
        weenie          my sun3 as an xterminal

ip addrs:
        134.207.6.40    my subnet (using last 3 bits)
        124.207.6.47    broadcast for this subnet
        255.255.255.248 netmask for this subnet
        134.207.6.41    distraction
        134.207.6.42    weenie

facts:
        ping from picard to distraction is successful
        ping from picard to weenie fails, but packets are delivered
                to distraction's eth0

output from tcpdump while ping'ing weenie from picard:
========================================================================
[8] # tcpdump -i eth0 -N -v not port 6000
tcpdump: listening on eth0
17:14:44.765206 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20838)
17:14:44.778650 arp who-has picard tell weenie
17:14:45.402110 arp reply distraction is-at 0:60:8c:c0:db:6
17:14:45.406841 arp who-has distraction tell weenie
17:14:45.786329 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20862)
17:14:45.789243 arp who-has picard tell weenie
17:14:46.775263 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20929)
17:14:46.778871 arp who-has picard tell weenie
17:14:47.785225 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20943)
17:14:47.788842 arp who-has picard tell weenie
17:14:48.795330 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20962)
17:14:48.798936 arp who-has picard tell weenie
17:14:49.805278 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20985)
17:14:49.808860 arp who-has picard tell weenie

14 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
[9] #                                         

contents of /proc/net/arp
========================================================================
[9] # cat /proc/net/arp
IP address       HW type     Flags       HW address
134.207.6.42     0x1         0x2         08:00:20:06:38:E8  

stats for route and ifconfig:
========================================================================
[5] # ifconfig
lo        Link encap Local Loopback  
          inet addr 127.0.0.1  Bcast 127.255.255.255  Mask 255.0.0.0
          UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU 2000  Metric 1
          RX packets 0 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0
          TX packets 129 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0

sl0       Link encap Serial Line IP  
          inet addr 134.207.6.41  P-t-P 134.207.12.150  Mask 255.255.0.0
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING  MTU 1006  Metric 1
          RX packets 2971 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0
          TX packets 2752 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0

eth0      Link encap 10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:8C:C0:DB:06
          inet addr 134.207.6.41  Bcast 134.207.6.47  Mask 255.255.255.248
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING  MTU 1500  Metric 1
          RX packets 246676 errors 1 dropped 0 overruns 1
          TX packets 531687 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0
[6] # netstat -rn
Kernel routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use
Iface
134.207.12.150  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    0      0      492 sl0
134.207.6.40    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.248 U     0      0   532125 eth0
127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U     0      0      129 lo
0.0.0.0         134.207.12.150  0.0.0.0         UG    0      0      517 sl0
-- 
=============================================================================
Howard Taylor <[email-masked]>
Dept of Electrical Engineering
University of Delaware

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From: [email-masked] (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM!
Date: 15 Sep 94 13:37:28 GMT

[email-masked] (John Lamp) writes:

>[email-masked] (Jake Colman) writes:

>>Kevin Lentin ([email-masked]) wrote:

>>: Huh? I know QDOS as a separate product. Sort of in the lvein of 4DOS. Is
>>: this a coincidence?

>>QDOS is a product from Gazelle Systems which is more like X-Tree than it
>>is like 4DOS.  The latter is a replacement command processor for DOS
>>in that it fully replaces COMMAND.COM.  QDOS is a file selector/browser
>>tool with a few other goodies thrown in as well.

>Yep, and not to be confused with Seattle's QDOS (quick and dirty o/s) 
>which was renamed MS-DOS 1.0. I have been using Gazelle's QDOS since 1.2 
>and can heartily recommend it.

The Sinclair QL (a home computer based upon the 68008 processor, which
came out about the same time as the Amiga and the Atari ST) also had
an operating system called QDOS.

Maybe, these 4 characters are a magic acronym?

Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
[email-masked]   |

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: If GPL is true ...
Date: 14 Sep 94 19:48:08 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Liang Chen) writes:
>  If GNU's GPL is true, are all the software written in C or ASM have
>  to release their source because they are using GCC or GAS and C
>  library. Is that the only chose of not release their source
Wrong. Read the GPL before complaining about it.

Cheers, Michael Will

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From: [email-masked] (Pierre Uszynski)
Crossposted-To: biz.config
Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux*
Date: 15 Sep 1994 20:06:43 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:

>example is this 'I can't get Yygdrasil F94 to boot on my sony cd' problem.
>I've been tellign the same story over and over, 'cause it disappears in
>the flood of mail.  If there was a place were people could ask yygdrasil
>questions, and read their posts, it might alleviate some of this. 

I don't think that would be solved by a biz.comp.linux hierarchy. This is
a col.help question. How to split col.help is an open issue certainly
but I don't think it will be split across the comp and biz hierarchies.

As to support from Yggdrasil themselves, while they often reply to col.help
questions, they also state their policy in their manual: custom support
is "for money" via a 900 line (although they have also outlined a
mail-robot system). So their IS a place to ask Yggdrasil questions. It's
just that you don't like it (I don't either actually, but that's not the
point.)

biz groups would not help you in this case.

Pierre.
[email-masked]

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