Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #765
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #765, Volume #2                Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Yggdrasil Sum94 CD (Daniel Quinlan)
  Re: Yggsdrasil Linux uses Their OWN filesystem? (Daniel Quinlan)
  Re: Apple Select 360 w/ Linux?? (Keith Stone)
  Re: DOOM for Linux (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Re: Sony MiniDisc (Dave Thayer)
  Clocks of the Diamond SpeedStar 64 Alpine (PCI) (Bob Crosson)
  Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Pierre Uszynski)
  LILO - Getting Rid Of.... (David Cowan)
  Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (Warwick Allison)
  Re: Word Processor for Linux? (Wolfgang Jung)
  Re: Problem with Linux Sound (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (Neal Becker)
  Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (David Fox)
  Looking for JEAN FRANCOIS GAGNON (Dimitris Kontoudis)
  Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Andreas Matthias)
  Video card for Linux? (Anthony K Kong)
  Wine on Linux? (Anthony K Kong)
  Re: Slackware Professional 2.0 Linux, distribution contacts. (Bill Braughton)

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Quinlan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Sum94 CD
Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:41:11 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff Kesselman <[email-masked]> writes:

> Not to put too much of a damper on this, but the kernel of the Fall
> 94 from yygdrasil has given some of us some problems.  My system
> runs summer 94 just fine (which I am still using, with the programs
> from Fall release) but Fall94 blows up big-time when it tries to
> initialize the VFS with a null-pointer refernce and a subsequent
> register dump.

I'm going to guess that you have either a Sony CDU-31A or a CDU-33A.

> I called yygdrasil, and they said that they had just gotten another
> call on thsi problem and were looking into it.

Yes, we figured out the problem and the faulty driver and figured out
how to correct it..  (I sent a patch off to Linus so it should be
fixed for everyone soon enough.)

> Anyway, just be warned about the kernel issue.  I'm sure yygdrasil
> will have it resolved fairly soon...

We hope to have a revision B boot floppy out later today for the
people using Sony CD-ROM drives.  Thanks.

Dan

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Daniel Quinlan  <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Quinlan)
Subject: Re: Yggsdrasil Linux uses Their OWN filesystem?
Date: 14 Sep 1994 00:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Chang Hyeon Song <[email-masked]> writes:

> I just bought this Linux CD-ROM, but I found out that Yggsdrasil
> uses non-standard file system of their own.  Does it cause any
> problem?  Please let me know.

Nothing of the sort.

We use `ext2' for hard drive installation and `iso9960' (with Rock
Ridge extensions) for our CD-ROM.  Both are the closest thing to
"standard filesystem" types for Linux.

In fact, `mkisofs' (create an iso9960 filesystem) is copyrighted by
Yggdrasil Computing and we placed it under the GPL for everyone's use.

Beyond that, our Fall 1994 CD-ROM is conformant to the Linux FSSTND,
but that is a whole different ball of wax.

Dan

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Daniel Quinlan  <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Keith Stone)
Subject: Re: Apple Select 360 w/ Linux??
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:26:06 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
(Sven Goldt) wrote:
> : BTW, would a HP-Laserjet 4MP be the better choice??
> Yes ! Much more compatible.

Huh? The LaserWriter 360 has PCL, Postscript, and autosencing from all
ports. What's more compatable than that? Any postscript or PCL driver
should work with it unless you want to use the FAX option.

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: DOOM for Linux
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:25:54 GMT

Doom discussion is as valid here as any other Linux application.
Not all of us get alt.games.doom. I, for one, have never had a chance
to try doom before and am appreciating all the linux-related tips
that I find here!

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Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Dave Thayer)
Subject: Re: Sony MiniDisc
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 01:14:57 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Alberto Vignani  <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Does anybody have some info about the new Sony MiniDiscs (or whatever they
>are called)? I heard they will be 340MB magneto-optical R/W 2.5" discs 
>costing less than 10$ apiece; the controller will be also very low-cost
>(400$?), maybe with floppy interface, maybe IDE.
>They are supposed to come in volume before the end of the year.
>I'm curious to know if someone heard the same rumors, and/or knows if and
>when this media will be supported by Linux.
>Bye
>Alberto

The July Issue of Circuit Cellar Ink- The Computer Applications Journel
has a short new product blurb on pg 11. No info on price or interface.
It's a 140MB medium, uses a 'new universal file system', and can play
audio MDs. I reckon that the fs could be the deciding factor on linux
support, depending on how open Sony is with it. The model shown is
MDM-111, and the US contact listed is Sony Electronics, 3300 Zanker Rd.
San Jose, CA 95134 (800) 352-7669. 

Looks pretty cool to me!
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From: [email-masked] (Bob Crosson)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Clocks of the Diamond SpeedStar 64 Alpine (PCI)
Date: 15 Sep 94 20:19:29 GMT

I recently acquired a Zeos Pantera-90 that came with a Diamond
SpeedStar 64 Alpine PCI bus adapter.  I've installed Linux-1.1.42
successfully, but I can't discover the clocks on the video board.
I've run the version of SuperProbe that comes with XFree86-2.1.1
but it doesn't recognize the chipset (CLGD5434) and doesn't report
the clocks.  All it reports is the "Signature data: a8 (please
report)", and that the RAMDAC is either a Sierra SC1148{2,3,4}
15-bit or a SC1148{5,6,7} 15/16-bin HiColor.

I've also tried to run XF86_SVGA-2.1.1 with the -probeonly option,
but it won't report the clocks without a valid ModeDB entry.
But I can't produce a valid ModeDB entry without knowing the
clocks.  I tried creating a 28MHz ModeDB line but it makes the
characters in text mode unintelligible.

Can anybody tell me how to discover the clocks on this board?
The XFree86-2.1.1 documentqtion says that this board should be
supported by XF86_SVGA because it has the Cirrus chipset on it,
and somewhere the CLGD543x chipset is listed as working.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Bob Crosson
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Pierre Uszynski)
Crossposted-To: biz.config
Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux*
Date: 15 Sep 1994 19:59:56 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Steve Wicke) writes:

>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Pierre Uszynski) writes:
>
>>And so far, distribution, configuration and consulting businesses
>>have been welcome to post there (within the usual limits of decency,
>>and etiquette...), and get mentioned in the FAQs easily.
>
>The reasoning I have for wanting to start a biz.* heirachy [blah, blah...]

Yes, you said that already. I understand what you are saying. I don't
understand why you think you can't use the current comp.os.linux groups
for that stuff.

col.announce has been open for ads, price sheets and thinly disguised
announcements of ports of commercial software to Linux. col.misc has
been open to more ads and price sheets and announcements. col.help
has been open to problems with commercial distributions and people
looking for commercial providers. Some providers like Yggdrasil
post replies regularly to col.help, although they may not be reading
the groups on a regular basis and probably should. On the other hand they
run a commercial help line, and clearly state in their manual on what
basis help is available (I don't work for them, I use their distributions).

So what is it you want to post that you can't find place for??????

I understand the appeal of trying to create a group just for your
own use :-) but that's counterproductive. Post your ads where people
read other things, so they can see these too. The biz hierarchy is
believed to have a limited distribution and having articles there won't
keep them from expiring.

>Also it would give a place for vendors to have 
>a forum to discuss problems with product and current sales.

Why not use col.misc? Do you really think you would be flamed for that?

You may have been flamed once or twice for posting commercial stuff
to the col hierarchy, but I don't believe flamage here is anywhere close
to what it is in other groups. That is because, again, so far, the
commercial stuff has been well in line (IMHO) with expectations of
the linux users.

When that gets abused (hopefully never), it may be time to step up
the flamage and kick this stuff out of the groups, but I don't think
we are anywhere close to this point.

Now, that should not prevent us from splitting the groups further :-)
But this biz.linux hierarchy idea seems to head for a duplication
of existing groups, and we certainly don't need that. I may change my
mind if the subgroups are specifically disjoint from the col subgroups,
and I can't think off the top of my head of a way to do that. I hardly
thank that discussing current sales would get anywhere close to keeping
a newsgroup busy.

Pierre.
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (David Cowan)
Subject: LILO - Getting Rid Of....
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 09:38:33 +0000

Help....

My system consists of a 486/66 with two old seagate drives 
(120 and 170 Mb).  I installed Linux on a partition on the secondary
drive and wrote LILO to the MBR, so that I could select the boot
partition.

Linux was nice, but I needed the HD space for something else, so I
used FDISK (dos) to remove the partition and rebuild the dos
partition to use the whole drive again.  I reformatted the drive
and noticed that LILO was still there - on the primary drive - OK,
fair enough - I wasnt too bothered.

I just got DOS 6.22 so I decided to upgrade.  I backed up my machine
and deleted all the partition info from both drives using FDISK (dos).
( This sounds a bit intense, but I was going to purge the drive
anyway - I collect a lot of shite !)

I installed DOS 6.22 and let it build the new partitions, and format
the disks, and install itself - brill - except that LILO is still
there - kind of - When I boot from HD, the screen fills up with
LI (^M) and continually scrolls up - not responding.

How do I get rid of the remains of LILO ?  I can only boot from
floppy now, and using the dos SYS command doesn't get rid of it.

Help.....

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[email-masked]                      Unit 12, Prospect III,
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From: [email-masked] (Warwick Allison)
Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ?
Date: 15 Sep 1994 03:00:01 GMT

[email-masked] (Peter Hahn) writes:

>       486/dx2-66      32 SpecInt      16 SpecFP
>       486dx4-100      52    "         24   "
>       Pentium 60      58    "         51   "
>       Pentium 66      64    "         57   "
>       Pentium 90      86    "         77   "

So, if you're intending to do raytracing, the Pentiums look awefully nice.

At almost 5 times the speed of a 486/dx2-66, the $600 should be easily
justified.

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Warwick
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From: [email-masked] (Wolfgang Jung)
Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux?
Date: 15 Sep 1994 14:42:59 +0200

Adam Wasserman ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I'd like to obtain a word processor for linux, of the MS Word or IslandWrite
: variety:  WYSIWIG, menu-driven, et. al.  Does any of you know of such a beast?
: Please email me in addition to posting, particularly if you have one installed
: (vendor email invited as well).

Posting the naswers will reache more interesting people-
Even though you can run WP for SCO via iBCS on linux

BTW: for what does iBCS stand for ?

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From: [email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
Subject: Re: Problem with Linux Sound
Date: 15 Sep 1994 14:53:27 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>>>> "is20176" == is20176  <[email-masked]> writes:

    is20176> In article <[email-masked]>,
    is20176> [email-masked] writes:
    >>  I really hope that you are kidding! :-) We all know that sound
    >> travels much slower than electrons in a wire don't we.. The
    >> obvious solution to the original problem is to maximise the
    >> distance the sound has to travel as electrons and minimise the
    >> amount it has to travel as sound waves, so you should actually
    >> make the cables _LONGER_
    >> 
    >> Sheeesh, some people just can't see the obvious can they :-)
    >> ???
    >> 
    >> Cheers, Neil _Physics_isn't_my_middle_name_ Gardner
    >> 
    >> 
    is20176> I really hope that you are kidding!!!  look, if the
    is20176> electric feild is move at near C, then if the wire is on
    is20176> a downhill slope, then the e-field is accelerated past
    is20176> light speed, throwing you into a time-warp into the past,
    is20176> so you here the sound later (in the real present) I
    is20176> thought that this basic concept of time-space physics was
    is20176> obvious :-)

Now I hope you are kidding!!!  Anyone with half a brain knows the
e-field goes into the past, not you.  So you'll hear the sound too
soon.  If you are not carefull, you'll react to these sounds and avoid
whatever caused them.  The resulting temporal pardox will either cause
your entire body mass to convert into pure energy, destroying the
planet you are on, or give you a really nasty headacke.

                         Bill

--
Physicist for hire.  No temporal instability too great, no curriosity
to small.  I'll confuse you into thinking you understand them all.

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From: [email-masked] (Neal Becker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.prog,dc.org.linux-users
Subject: Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem
Date: 15 Sep 1994 03:13:11 GMT

Did you really want uucp_neighbors?  How about removing the offending
router?

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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ?
Date: 14 Sep 1994 00:35:50 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Fox) writes:

] The P90 took the same time to compile
] emacs (8.5 minutes elapsed) as the 66, with the 66 using a local
] SCSI disk and the P90 using the same disk via NFS.

Forgot to mention, the 66 has 32 meg, the P90 has 16.
--
David Fox               I want my HDTV!                 xoF divaD
NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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From: [email-masked] (Dimitris Kontoudis)
Subject: Looking for JEAN FRANCOIS GAGNON
Date: 15 Sep 1994 12:37:15 GMT

Hi,
 
I'm looking for the e-mail address (or any contact address)
of Jean Francois Gagnon, the author of UBBS. The e-mail
address that I have is invalid ([email-masked]).
 
Any info on the matter will be appreciated. Please reply
to the address [email-masked]''.
 
Regards,
 
Dimitris.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Andreas Matthias)
Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:25:43 GMT

Stephen Collyer ([email-masked]) wrote:

: |> : "320x200"       25      320 344 376 400         200 204 206 225

: I don't see how these values work. With a 25 MHz clock, with total V. lines =
: 400, and total H. lines 225, we're looking at a refresh rate of roughly
: 25E6 / (400 x 1.1 x 225 x 1.05) = 240 
: This is way above the spec of any monitor I'm familiar with. Or am I missing 
: something obvious ? 

I posted a similar mode line a few days ago, and got similar comments.

I don't know why such modes work, but obviously they _DO_ on some monitors.
My AOC 17'' let me play for a whole night in that resolution, without
complaining or showing discomfort. It still works perfectly, and the AOC
is a very cheap monitor, nothing special.

I suppose that the monitor hardware detects the undisplayable refresh
rate and perhaps displays only every fourth frame or so.

Ciao,

Andreas

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Andreas Matthias <[email-masked]>

Zehntenstr.9 
D-37120 Bovenden

Voice: +49/551/81377

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From: [email-masked] (Anthony K Kong)
Subject: Video card for Linux?
Date: 15 Sep 1994 22:06:04 GMT

What kind of video card is good to use with Linux?

I'm thinking of purchasing the ATI-Xpression VLB 2MB video card.  Is this 
good? The Diamond Stealth 64 is also on my mind too.  Which video card 
have the best support in terms of video driver wise!

Please response via E-mail.  Thanks in advance.

Anthony Kong

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From: [email-masked] (Anthony K Kong)
Subject: Wine on Linux?
Date: 15 Sep 1994 22:09:05 GMT

Anyone used WINE on Linux?  I heard that it is still in development.  But 
anyone used it, and how good is it?

Anthony Kong

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Braughton)
Subject: Re: Slackware Professional 2.0 Linux, distribution contacts.
Date: 14 Sep 1994 23:22:40 GMT

ACC Corp. ([email-masked]) wrote:
***Earlier text deleted***

> Slackware Professional is based on the very latest Slackware distribution
> available off the Internet Linux archives.  In addition it contains many
> features that exist only in this software package that make this package the
> simpliest Slackware Linux to install on your system, or to run directly from
> your CD ROM drive.  It comes with both the 220 page Linux Installation and
> Getting Started Guide, and four pages of additional installation notes. 
> List Price is $49.95.

Hmm, I think I paid $49.95 for the full set of the high density 3 1/2 disks
from Linux Systems Lab. The Linux Installation and Getting Started Guide
came with it too. And they even offered the CD to me for $29.95 and had 
EVERYTHING from the Slackware 2.0 distribution. 

> This distribution includes: The full set of GNU Compilers and utilities for
> Linux including both C and C++, with sources.  It comes with a complete
> implementation of X Windows and includes both the X11R5 and X11R6, as well
> as a selection of window managers including Openlook.  Linux also features
> the complete UNIX networking environment including TCP/IP, Slip, PPP, and
> UUCP and ethernet support.  Also included are a full set of tools and
> applications for both serious research and casual recreational use from the
> Linux archives such as: Dos emulator (enables dos programs to be run under
> Linux), mail readers, databases, text layout tools, games, boot manager, and
> hundreds more.

Sounds impressive, but nothing listed is stuff that you can't get from any
FTP site that mirrors Slackware and with so many vendors selling the complete
mirrors of some these FTP sites, why buy this?

Just some thoughts.

                                                           Bill

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