Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #792
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:13:17 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #792, Volume #2                Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:13:17 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Dos, OS/2 and Linux? (Tom Barringer)
  Re: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev (Tom Barringer)
  Linux Businesses (Randy Hootman)
  Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
  Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Robert Gasch)
  HELP: Problems/errors with sz
  Official Linux POV - BETA (Christopher Cason)
  Re: Where are asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h? (Nick Pearson)
  Re: LILO (Tom Barringer)
  Re: XFree86 patch for DOOM 320x200 doublescan (Peter Bollerman)
  Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: Garnet, CLISP, Linux? (Erik Westlin)
  Where is ftape? (Robert Broughton)
  Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (Duncan THOMSON)
  Re: Linux v. OS/2 and Desqview - DOS multitasking (Alexandra Griffin)
  Linux and PCI compatibility ("Michael A. Passineau")
  Re: NCR PCI SCSI controllers (Drew Eckhardt)

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From: [email-masked] (Tom Barringer)
Subject: Re: Dos, OS/2 and Linux?
Date: 20 Sep 1994 13:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Raymond Ho) writes:
|> I have Dos 6.22 installed on my first harddisk, OS/2 for Windows installed
|> on the first partition of my second harddisk, I have a second partition
|> that is open on my second harddisk.  Is it possible to load Linux there? 
|> Can I use the OS/2 Boot Manager to control the booting?

Yes.  Information on how to do this is in the HOWTO's.
Your partition should probably be at least 80, preferably over 100, megabytes.

--
Tom Barringer      : Progress Software Corp.   : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
QA Development     : 14 Oak Park               : for members.  Please see the
[email-masked]  : Bedford, MA  01730        : recruitment flyer posted on
GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"

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From: [email-masked] (Tom Barringer)
Subject: Re: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev
Date: 20 Sep 1994 13:59:04 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] () writes:
|> In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Ralph Hockens) 
|> writes:
|>  
|> >I'd like to give something back to the folks whose time and labor make this 
|> >all possible. I'm not a programmer, nor am I proficient enough to 

|> But remember, no one *expects*
|> anything in return at all, especially money. That is the beauty of
|> Linux.

For shame.

That is only _one_ of the _many_ beauties of Linux.  Granted that it is a
large one, but there are others.
  1) True multitasking for those whose multitasking was limited to 
       MeSsy-Windows
  2) Kernel source available for education and hacking
  3) Unix-like programming power and compatibility
...the list goes on.

 :)

--
Tom Barringer      : Progress Software Corp.   : LINUX:
QA Development     : 14 Oak Park               :   The choice of a
[email-masked]  : Bedford, MA  01730        :   GNU generation.
GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : 
HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Hootman)
Subject: Linux Businesses
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:42:18 GMT

After due consideration of everyone's interest, I would like to offer
my support to businesses that are offering Linux support and services.

I propose that businesses that are offering Linux support and service
send to my email address ([email-masked]) a description of their Linux
services available. This could be CD-ROM distributions, contracting,
consulting, hardware, software, Linux T-Shirts, books, etc. 

I will then cat the info, and then gzip the resulting text. I will then put
this file in a directory available for anonymous ftp (ftp.netcom.com
/pub/rph).

People need to know what services are available. So if businesses would
kindly keep their descriptions of their Linux services to 10 lines or less
of 80 characters per line and get their info to my email address prior to
the 25th of each month, I'll start this service. I should have the file
out by the end of each month. This listing will be free.

I will continue this service as long as I can.

I reserve full editorial rights, so please follow the above rules. 

I would like to offer the Linux community the chance to name this thing.
I thought about the 'Linux Thrifty Nickle'.

Randy

-- 

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     "In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings,
      we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Randy Hootman                Randysoft Software             (408) 229-0119

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From: [email-masked] (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux
Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:12:28 GMT

Spencer PriceNash ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: John Pearson <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >[email-masked] (Vaughn Adams) writes:
: >
: >>    I have had this problem for a while and never bothered to resolve it.
: >>Now that I need cron, I need to get it fixd.  Everytime I boot Linux, my i
: >>clock screws up.  THe time is always off, but the date is ok.  This doesn't 
: >>happen with any other OS that I have run on the computer.  I am runnin 
: >>Slackware 1.2 with a couple of dirrerent kernels. it seems to be kernel
: >>independant.

: Check the man pages for 'date' and 'clock'.  Used together correctly,
: they should fix the time for you.

: Under four different *nixes in the last three years, my clock loses
: between one and two minutes a day, and by using 'clock' my machine
: is within seconds of being correct.

An upcoming Linux Journal issue will contain an overview of date, time,
and nettime in the 'Linux System Administration' section.  It may be
issue #6 or #7.  Not sure which.

--
- Mark Komarinski - [email-masked]

"Sure we should sell California to the Japanese.  It's going to fall into
the ocean anyway." - Car Talk (on NPR)

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Gasch)
Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:05:24 GMT

A. Rohde ([email-masked]) wrote:
: 12 megs RAM are absolutely sufficient. A good configured Linux on a 8MB box has 
: 4MB free with X11 running. I don't feel happy with 8MB under OS/2.

I hate to question your figures, but I'm interested in this for my own 
sake. I'm running Linux 1.0.9 (Slakware 2.0) with 8Mb Ram with the S3 
server. When I start up X and create 2 xterms, I start using swap. BTW,
I'm using the default window manager with a 3x3 virtual desktop and am 
running several gettys and the tcp demons (to enable loopback connections). 
I don't think I'm doing anything weird enough to account for a difference 
of 4MB used memory? BTW, the numbers I'm giving are as reported by top.

Can anybody verify this or shed any light on what I'm doing wrong? (Or 
did I interpret your statement incorrectly?)

Thanks
--> robert

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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: HELP: Problems/errors with sz
Date: 20 Sep 1994 10:49:21 GMT

 Yo all:
 
 I'm running a Linux system with dial-in capabilities. When
 my users download files using sz they start getting errors
 at about 19k of data. People are using 14.4k with RTS/CTS
 and they have 16550 UARTs but the problems are still there.
 
 I have advised them to use -w 1024 but they still have errors.
 
 Anybody know why this is ? The strange thing is that this
 doesnt happen when using ftp ( over a SLIP link )...
 
 If anyone has any insights ( or a solution ) to this please
 help. Perhaps some switches to sz to make packets smaller,
 slow down throughput, I dont know...

 Thanks in advance

 C U!

  Mario Valente

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From: [email-masked] (Christopher Cason)
Subject: Official Linux POV - BETA
Date: 17 Sep 1994 20:03:05 GMT

I need a dozen or so willing people to beta test an official POV for Linux.
There's nothing particularly earth-shattering about this version ; it's more
or less the same as Jeff Epler's SVGAlib port, but with a new X-Windows file
and probably PPM support. I hope to have it ready in a day or so. Please
email if you don't mind.

regards,

-- Chris

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From: nick%ruly46.leidenuniv.nl (Nick Pearson)
Subject: Re: Where are asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h?
Date: 20 Sep 1994 10:42:31 GMT

Or even delete the asm directory and recreate it as a link to asm-i386.

Nick

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From: [email-masked] (Tom Barringer)
Subject: Re: LILO
Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:00:59 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Chris Burnette) writes:
|> 
|> Anyone know of a way to make LILO boot up DOS on default instead of
|> Linux?

Edit your /etc/lilo.conf file.
The file contains 3-line descriptions of each bootable partition.
(Lines starting with a hash mark '#' are comments.)
The partition listed first is the one which will boot by default.

--
Tom Barringer      : Progress Software Corp.   : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
QA Development     : 14 Oak Park               : for members.  Please see the
[email-masked]  : Bedford, MA  01730        : recruitment flyer posted on
GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Bollerman)
Subject: Re: XFree86 patch for DOOM 320x200 doublescan
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 11:13:42 GMT

In article [email-masked], [email-masked] (Dick Streefland) writes:
[%]I have made a small patch to the XFree86-2.1.1 release which
[%]implements a "doublescan" flag that may be added to a mode line
[%]in Xconfig, just like the "interlace" flag. 

Ok, but where can I find the source to patch it to?

Also, before I start building, how do I find out if I have a programmable
clock generator?
How do I program it?

Peter

---
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me
   than a frontal Lobotomy...........          Jack Kilian, The Nighthawk

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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:49:17 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Michael I Bushnell) writes:
...
>
>
>--
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>+1 617 253 8568 (W)        -+-                   kai ho logos en pros ton theon,
>1105 Broadway               |                    kai theos en ho logos.
>Somerville, MA 02144        |                  Kai ho logos sarx egeneto,
>[email-masked]          |                    kai eskenosen en hemin.

With regards to your signature: Gamo to theo sou;
(sorry, couldn't let that one pas..."
Paai.

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Westlin)
Subject: Re: Garnet, CLISP, Linux?
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 22:25:28 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: Does anyone have experience running Garnet with CLISP and Linux?  I am
: interested in trying it, but was concerned about speed, and how much
: disk space it takes up.  Also, I looked, but can't find CLX in my current 
: Linux setup.  Does it normally come with the Slackware dist?

: Any insight would be appreciated.  

Well I did compile it some months ago and I tried garnet and found it
slow on my 386/33. It made an image-file of about 10 megs in size.

Erik Westlin

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Where is ftape?
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 01:23:33 -0800

The subject says it all. I looked around on sunsite for it, and didn't find
it.
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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_

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From: [email-masked] (Duncan THOMSON)
Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's
Date: 20 Sep 1994 11:03:27 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc [email-masked] (A.P. Crossan) writes:

> Anders Hedborg ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>> When is it supposed to be on the shelves? And what issue should I
>> ask for?

The issue of PC-Plus which is out *now* is the one you want.  The CD
has other (DOS/Windows) stuff on it besides Slackware, but it's there.
It is the October issue.

        -Duncan

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From: [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin)
Subject: Re: Linux v. OS/2 and Desqview - DOS multitasking
Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:47:56 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Lowell D Fass
<[email-masked]> wrote: 
>Does anyone know how Linux compares
>with OS/2 and Desqview in terms of DOS multitasking (speed and crash
>protection - I'm aware of which DOS programs don't run under Linux
>yet).  I currently use OS/2, which is great, but something of a
>sludge, and I'm looking to get into the freeware world.

>Any comments would be appreciated.  Thanks.

You're talking about running multiple DOSEMU sessions concurrently as
a way of multitasking DOS stuff?  I haven't tried OS/2, but my
experience is that running DOS apps. under emulation in Linux is much
slower than running the same programs under Desqview (or even MS-Win).
There is a lot more overhead to support, both in terms of memory & CPU
cycles.  Filesystem access *might* be faster under Linux, though I've
never benchmarked it.  One very noticeable difference is that floppy
disk use doesn't lock up the whole system, as happens under plain DOS.

I'd say that the biggest flaw in DOSemu right now is that it does not
use CPU time efficiently at all-- I've never been able to get the
"HogThreshold" parameter in the config file to work under recent
versions of the emulator, and any running DOS sessions will eat up as
much CPU time as they can even when idle.  For this reason you can't
run multiple DOSEMUs at once and expect to have decent performance in
the one you're using at any given moment...  native Linux apps get
zapped by this as well.  I haven't heard many complaints about this,
so it could be something unique to my setup that's causing it.  Has
anyone had better luck with curtailing DOSEMU's cpu-hogging?

On the positive side, crash protection seems to be very good-- I've
*never* had a program crash inside DOSEMU affect anything outside the
emulator (native programs or other emulation sessions).  However,
DOSEMU does provide options like direct port access which, if enabled,
can seriously weaken the protection layer.

If your main intention is to multitask DOS applications, you might
want to stick with Desqview or OS/2.  They'll probably give you better
performance and compatibility (DOSEMU can't yet run Windows 3.1, or
any other programs requiring DPMI / DOS extender functions).  If you'd
like to run mostly native Unix apps. with occasional use of DOS
emulation then Linux might be what you're looking for.

-- alex

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From: "Michael A. Passineau" <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux and PCI compatibility
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:53:40 -0500 (CDT)

Hello!

Being new to Linux I have what may be a very newbie question about 
Linux's comaptibility with the PCI architecture.

I have a DECpc XL 466d2 which comes with a PCI-based NCR 53C810 embedded 
SCSI controller which controls my hard disk and CDROM drive.  The video 
card is VL bus DECpc 864 high res video adapter.

I am very interested in Linux for this system, but want to find out if:

1. The latest version of Linux is compatible with the above hardware?

2. If it is compatible with the above hardware, can I get the OS, 
   X-Windows, source, etc. on CDROM? 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Best regards. . . Mike

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[email-masked]
System Administrator
Network Services Group - McHugh-Freeman
414.798.8606, x329

finger above for my PGP public key.

"Besides, REAL computers have a rename() system call." :-)
                     --Larry Wall

#include <std_disclaimer.h>
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From: [email-masked] (Drew Eckhardt)
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: NCR PCI SCSI controllers
Date: 21 Sep 1994 00:22:44 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Trent Piepho <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Drew Eckhardt <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>>If you need one with a BIOS chip, Nextor's model 93 is the only one I'm 
>>aware of, unless you want to go with an 825 based board (FAST+WIDE,
>>requires two minor patches to make it work under Linux).
>
>Are these the kind of patches for things that nobody realized were
>broken until now and will be included in a kernel RSN?  Or the kind
>that you have to apply yourself and give rise to catch-22 problems 
>installing Linux on a new machine?

The kind that you have to install yourself, giving rise to the 
catch-22 problem.  I don't have an '825 board, and was unable
to test the code with the '825 so I didn't catch the omission of 
an 

        '825'

from two switch statements and a left over 2 inside an array that 
should have been dimensioned implicitly by the number of initializers.

>>>Buslogic is an option, but they are expensive, and I want to see
>>>if they are worth three times the NCR price.  
>>
>>The Linux Buslogic drivers are a bit more mature.  If you want top
>>performance from _multiple_ devices accessed at the same time
>>under Linux, right now instead of whenever I get arround to it (I need to
>>finish debugging the new save/restore pointers code so the right 
>>values get restored after a SCSI context switch) you'll be happier with 
>>the Buslogic boards.
>
>Is this because of the hardware or the drivers?  

It's entirely a software problem, mostly due to a lack of time.  Basically,
having what worked of the driver stable by the publication of the July
issue of iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine and lecture notes for 
Heidelberg took precedence over getting that working correctly.

I spent a day getting the seriously broken context switching
code fixed, but haven't had a chance to fix the current flaw in 
the save/restore pointers code.

(FYI, Stefan Esser has it working fine under his Free BSD driver) 

>Will the NCR boards be as fast as the Buslogic ones as soon as your 
>drivers get more mature? 

Throughput should be somewhat higher, although CPU usage should be 
slightly worse with the NCR boards (More complicated structures 
are generated, taking more host CPU cycles).

>Or are the Buslogic boards inherently better 

If you want Adaptec 154x compatability for some reason (Ie, you
need to run an old copy of Xenix), yes.  

Also, the Buslogic boards have onboard active termination where as 
the NCR boards I've  seen have been passively terminated.  IMHO,
this isn't really an issue, since you're still looking at a factor
of three price disparity after picking up an active terminator.

>(why the price difference anyway)?

1.  Parts count

2.  As far as I know, the Buslogic 946 board is unique in that it's
        the only Adaptec 154x compatable PCI board.

3.  People have allways payed $200-$300 for 
        bus mastering SCSI controllers.  If they're still
        willing to pay that price, why should Buslogic 
        lower their prices?

4.  Multiple sources.  
-- 
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country, you can't expect them to obey lesser laws of any country. 
Boycott the United States until this changes.

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