Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #815
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 17:13:21 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #815, Volume #2                Sat, 24 Sep 94 17:13:21 EDT

Contents:
  Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux (Trent Piepho)
  Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux (Trent Piepho)
  Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux? (Craig)
  Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN (Al Longyear)
  Re: Linux on a 386 ([email-masked])
  Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) ([email-masked])
  Mosaic for Linux? (Luis Mirantes)
  Linux install questions (Luis Mirantes)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Larry Pyeatt)
  Support for CD-ROM hosted by sound card (Jean Daigle)
  Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux (David E. Fox)
  Re: Linux on 40,000 FREE(ish) CD's (Rasta Smurf)
  Re: reccomend a CD-ROM? (Joe Pannon)
  Re: Where do I get doom1.wad (Andrew Robert Ellsworth)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (System Administrator)
  Re: C++ fabs() not defined in g++??? ([email-masked])
  Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! *** (jon m)
  More Memory? (G. Browning)
  Re: Biostar motherboards any good? (Kenneth Crudup)
  Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! *** (Anthony Lovell)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Erik Ratcliffe)

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From: [email-masked] (Trent Piepho)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux
Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:59:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mitchell R Grunes <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Trent Piepho) 
>>writes:
>>routines in libm.  Does anyone know if getting 80-bit numbers ( and
>>exponentation ) from f2c+gcc+linux is possible???  What if I write 80-bit 
>>libm routines?
>
>There may be another approach, since someone did once post
>the following message:
[message about multi precision library deleted]

I'm not sure if this will work for me.  I'm trying to speed the program up, and
using more precision causes it to converge faster.  The multi-precision 
functions are probably so much slower than the native machine instructions that
any speed gain from fewer iterations will be lost.  Since the x87 does all its
math at 80-bits internally anyway, using 80-bit numbers will just increase
load/store operations a little.

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From: [email-masked] (Trent Piepho)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux
Date: 22 Sep 1994 22:01:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Serge Pachkovsky <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Anselm Lingnau ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>: Please consider also that FORTRAN, at least the obsolete version that
>: f2c is supposed to compile, *requires* DOUBLE PRECISION variables to
>: occupy twice as much storage as REAL variables (or, incidentally, as
>
>Fortran-90 requires that as well:
>
>14.6.3.1 Storage sequence
>
>....
>(1) A nonpointer scalar object of type default integer, default real or
>default logical occupies a single {\bf numeric storage unit}
>
>(2) A nonpointer scalar object of type double precision real or default
>complex occupies two contiguos numeric storage units.
>....

What if my program doesn't use any REALs or complex numbers?  It has integers
of course, and I can't make them 40-bit.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
From: [email-masked] (Craig)
Subject: Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux?
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:52:16 GMT

Larry Doolittle ([email-masked]) wrote:
: money back guarantee.  Has Royal learned to use heat sink compound
: (when they install heat sinks on processors) yet?

Using the heat sink compound with a cpu cooling fan on Intel cpu's voids the
Intel 5 year warranty.   Best to use clip-on cpu cooling fans to not void
the Intel warranty.

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:35:32 GMT

[email-masked] (Lam Dang) writes:

>I have set up an IP net of several nodes at home.  Following general 
>conventions, they're given the addresses 192.0.0.1, 192.0.0.5, and
>192.0.0.9.  At least one of these addresses (.1) already exists on the 
>Internet.  If this one is connected via PPP to a node on the Internet, it 
>must be given another address to avoid confusion.

>Are there IP addresses set aside for standalone LANs?  Where are they 
>documented?

From RFC 1597 . . . .

3. Private Address Space

   The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the
   following three blocks of the IP address space for private networks:

        10.0.0.0        -   10.255.255.255
        172.16.0.0      -   172.31.255.255
        192.168.0.0     -   192.168.255.255

   We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as
   "20-bit block, and to the third as "16-bit" block.  Note that the
   first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the
   second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and
   third block is a set of 255 contiguous class C network numbers.

   An enterprise that decides to use IP addresses out of the address
   space defined in this document can do so without any coordination
   with IANA or an Internet registry.  The address space can thus be
   used by many enterprises.  Addresses within this private address
   space will only be unique within the enterprise.

-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Linux on a 386
Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:42:43 -0400

In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.940920190840.10825A-100000@gilgalad>,
Rusty Chris  <[email-masked]> wrote:
:
:I`m running 1.1.22 on a 386sx 16, with 8MB.  before i "acquired" the 8
:MB, though, I always got the kernel panic stuff when i tried to install.
:it`s not too terribly slow, but big compiles, like the kernel, still take
:a good hour or two.  BTW, i`m looking to upgrade- does anyone have 
:an idea of which would be better: a 486slc40 or a 386dx40 w/CP ?
:i`m sure it depends a lot on the applications, but does anyone have a
:general idea?

I would avoid the slc and go for a dlc. The dlc is quite a bit faster
than the dx40, by about 40%. I don't have the numbers here, but when I
built a machine for my wife I use a 486dlc40 and checked it against my
own 386dx40.

I have a whole stack of old motherboards I'm waiting to give away to a
deserving organization, some 386dx40s, a 386sx16 like yours, and a
386dx16 from my original 1986 "first 386 in town" system. That should
give you an idea of my personal opinion is about their speed ;-)

-- 
Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy
        "Pain builds moral fiber"  -my dad
        "Pain hurts"  -me

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:49:52 GMT

About a week ago, I posted requesting information about the
experiences of the Net regarding SCSI/IDE combinations in
general, and specifically in regard to MS-DOS/Windows and
Linux setups.  Though the original query went out in a couple
of different forms to a number of different lists and groups,
this single summary is being cross-posted to those newsgroups.

I received responses from a number of people, and while a
few indicated that problems would abound, most agreed that
this setup was generally problem free.

Specifically, of those with Buslogic and Adaptec 1522 SCSI
controllers not one reported problems.  One person who has
a Trantor 130B indicates that while it works, it is very
difficult to configure.

While obvious to many, conflicts between address and IRQ spaces
between IDE and SCSI controllers were mentioned often.  One
person suggested a combination IDE & SCSI controller but
provided no more specifics (anyone have a specific one in mind?)

Two or three people report being able to boot MS-DOS off of the
SCSI drive but most indicated that booting off of the IDE would
be the only workable solution.  One suggested that connecting
the IDE drive to the middle connector on the ribbon cable 
connecting it to the controller would enable it to be the D:
drive and the SCSI drive the C: drive.

As far as booting Linux, consenus seems to be that LILO needs to
be on the IDE drive and everything else can be anywhere.

As far as contact information goes, I got Adaptec info from the
SCSI FAQ but can't locate Buslogic info...anybody?

I thank those who responded and if anybody has anything to add
either followup to this summary or email me.

Apu
[email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Luis Mirantes)
Subject: Mosaic for Linux?
Date: 23 Sep 1994 00:34:23 GMT

Is there a version of Mosaic, or similar program that'll run under XFree?

Luis.

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From: [email-masked] (Luis Mirantes)
Subject: Linux install questions
Date: 23 Sep 1994 00:43:59 GMT

Since I've installed the Slackware distribution of Linux in my machine I 
haven't been able to polish a few problems, mainly these two:

1 - I can't mount the CDROM (a 2X NEC connected to a or Audio Spectrum 
    Sound Card SCSI port.)

2 - I get disconnected a few seconds after I connect to my school account 
    using Seyon.  I'm using a Hayes Optima 28.8.

Any help will be apprecited,

Luis.

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From: [email-masked] (Larry Pyeatt)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:08:18 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Bill Broadley) writes:
|> 
|> : 2. SGI Indy does not cost ~3 times more than a top of the line DELL.
|> :    Let's look at the numbers, shall we:
|> 
|> :    Dell XPS 90, 16Meg ram, 17" monitor, #9 graphics card,
|> :         CD Rom Drive, 1G IDE disk, ethernet card, 3 year warranty.
|> :         Price: ~$4400
|> 
|> Funny in my 2 month old magazine I see a DELL P-90, 16 MB ram, 17" monitor,
|> #9 2 MB vram card (250k xstones), 1 GB disk, 3*cdrom for
|> $3899.   I'm sure the ethernet card doesn't cost $500

You are free to call Dell and check my price.  I did call them.
You have two choices for ethernet cards.  I went with the slow one.

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From: [email-masked] (Jean Daigle)
Subject: Support for CD-ROM hosted by sound card
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 16:44:08 GMT

I have recently acquired a CD-ROM based distribution of Linux 
(Walnut Creek).  My system is somewhat out of date (AMD 386DX40...,
), and underconfigured (quaint 170MB IDE drive...).  Fortunately,
there is the luxury of consulting the expertise out in netland
before purchasing additional hardware.

Two upgrade paths seem feasible:

1) Sound card with CD-ROM support; appropriate CD-ROM drive;
   2nd large IDE hard drive

2) SCSI host adaptor; SCSI CD-ROM drive; large SCSI hard drive

Option 1 is more appealing with the added functionality of
a sound card, and probably lower cost.  Option 2 would be
higher performance, and components could eventually migrate 
to subsequent non-PC platforms.

The Linux FAQ and HOWTO's have been very helpful in cataloging
supported hardware, but there are a few points that need
clarification.  

In particular, I am wondering whether there is current, alpha, 
or planned support for CD-ROM hosted by the Gravis UltraSound MAX 
card? 

Are there any strong testimonials for other sound card/CD-ROM
combinations?  The HOWTO's explicitly state support for ProAudio
Spectrum and various Sound Blaster products.  I have no special
requirements for sound card features, aside from an aversion
to conspicuously obsolete technology.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Cheers,
Jean.

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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
From: [email-masked] (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 04:41:05 GMT

Dan Pop ([email-masked]) wrote:

: If you think that the extra bits of precision/exponent are worth the
: effort, try it. But you'll have to do a lot of work testing the 
: correctness and consistency of your changes.

Doesn't the coprocessor do all arithmetic internally in 80 bits already? 
If so, the question then becomes whether or not it is prudent to keep
around the extra bits from the 80 bit internal operation when stored in
variables.

I think you can use 80-bit values (tenbytes) directly but you need to drop
to some inline asm to accomplish it, since the language doesn't support it
directly.

-- 
David Fox                       [email-masked]
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: [email-masked] (Rasta Smurf)
Subject: Re: Linux on 40,000 FREE(ish) CD's
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:25:50 GMT

What issue of PC PLUS is it, I looked at the Sept. 1994 issue and I didn't
see any mention of Linux on the CD, or an article in the magazine. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Pannon)
Subject: Re: reccomend a CD-ROM?
Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:40:45 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Andrew T. Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I was wondering if someone could reccomend a CD-ROM drive for use
>with Linux.  I also want to use this drive under MS-DOS and OS/2.
>I'm looking for a 3x or 4x speed w/ a SCSI-2 interface.  It will be
>used w/ a SoundBlaster 16 w/ SCSI-2 interface.

I hope the answers to this request will not be by e-mail 'cause there
may be many of us interested in the same question.

So let's hear about preferred CD-ROM/Sound card combos with SCSI-2
interface.

Joe Pannon

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Robert Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: Where do I get doom1.wad
Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:45:50 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>, Paul Julie <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I downloaded the X version of DOOM for linux.  However, I don't have
>the DOOM1.WAD shareware file.  Where do I get this????

Someone upped a copy of it on wuarchive.wustl.edu (bless them), so if you don't
want to peruse thru sunsite's multitudinous files, you can find it in
/pub/linux/doom1wad.tgz.  

(Sorry, but if I attached a > 2MB file to this message, it would make a lot
of people angry...)

Andy Ellsworth
[email-masked]

(INSERT CREATIVE FOOTER HERE)

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From: [email-masked] (System Administrator)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:04:26 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: Hello everyone,

[ Text deleted]

:       Said that, I am having problems with telnet an MTU sizes.  If I
: telnet/ftp to my Linux box from a remote site, I find my sessions _sometimes_ 
: hang up.  ifconfig shows that some packets have been dropped. Reading some 
: documentation,  I found out that this is a fragmentation problem that is 
: being worked on in Net-2E.  I choose mtu with different sizes, but I guess 
: the best that can work for me is 576 (though this still breaks.)  I am 
: running v1.1.48 and using SLIP protocol.

:       The problem gets much worse and freeze much quicker if you telnet
: to your Linux machine, and then from your Linux machine you telnet/ftp to 
: some other machine.  

:         I've seen this problem being reported several times on Linux
: newsgroups, but no one had given an answer to it.  I have programming
: experiecne and I would like to help in solving it.

We have had a similar probem.  We are running slip to our internet 
provider, and intermittantly experience telnet lockups during logins.  
The system either 1) refuses connections  2) accepts the connection, but 
just sits  3) provides a login prompt, takes input, and never gives the 
password prompt (ususally creating a login zombie in the process).  

This is our singularly most vexing problem.  It has been present since 
the first <1.0 kernel we used (now 1.1.45).  

Anyone else seeing such behaviour?

-- George Nemeyer     ([email-masked])
   Systems Administrator
   Tigerden.com

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From: [email-masked]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: C++ fabs() not defined in g++???
Date: 23 Sep 1994 11:18:37 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Stephen Gourdie) writes:

>compiling the above with the command line
>
>g++ -lm -o test test.cc

How about:

g++ -o test test.cc -lm

Best regards
    Joerg
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Mail1: [email-masked]
Mail2: [email-masked]
Tel. : Germany (06221) 59 3609

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Subject: Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! ***
From: [email-masked] (jon m)
Date: 22 Sep 94 14:37:47 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
Pete Chown <[email-masked]> wrote:
>(An ECU - a European Currency Unit - is worth roughly the same as a US
>dollar, in case that was the only reason you read this article... :-)

yup! 
so, someone's selling linux boxes for 100 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm next in line!

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>[email-masked]          "The Pen is mightier than the Quill"
>                                      -- anonymous

jon
-- 
jon madison
oit consultant in training

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From: [email-masked] (G. Browning)
Subject: More Memory?
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:12:39 GMT

Hello,   I currently have 32 Megs of actual RAM and have a 50 meg 
swap partition and I was wondering if expanded memory boards would
work with linux.  Basically, I want to have a LARGE amount of actual
RAM for many services that are planned for our linux box.  Basically,
I would like to have somewhere around 64 megs + of ram (the computer
is maxed with 32 megs extended).

Second topic,whenever I connect to my linux box from an old version
of PCTCP (2.05) it says it is connecting using 7 data bits but when 
I connect to other linux boxes it reports using 8 data bits.. how
did mine get changed??  (i am using linux kernel 1.1.51)

Third topic, quota.. has quota been implemented for the newer kernel
versions?  I have 1.1.51 and want to use quota again.

Thanks

-Gary R. Browning
Indiana University South Bend

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From: [email-masked] (Kenneth Crudup)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Biostar motherboards any good?
Date: 24 Sep 1994 13:26:57 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (John Wallace) says:

>Are Biostar motherboards any good?  They use the Bioteq chipset.

I used one under OS/2 2.1 for quite some time- had to give it up 'cause the
clone system MB I had didn't busmaster on the VLB slots.

        -Kenny

-- 
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16 Plainfield St, Boston, MA 02130-3633   +1 617 983 9410      Fax
On "panix" temporarily while my regular IP gets over growing pains.  OS/2 it!

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From: [email-masked] (Anthony Lovell)
Subject: Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! ***
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:31:44 GMT

Joshua R. Poulson ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,

: >(An ECU - a European Currency Unit - is worth roughly the same as a US
: >dollar, in case that was the only reason you read this article... :-)

: And here I thought it was a bird on the endangered species list. :)

I don't know about that,  but as a Currency it's on the endangered list

--

anthony

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Ratcliffe)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 19:55:36 GMT

Guy Bobenrieth ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I'm looking for informations about this CD ans its quality
: Thanks for sending them to me : contains, installation, ...

        I bought the Summer 1994 edition of "Plug-and-Play" and used it for
a few months (I have since bought a 420 meg hard drive and don't need the CD
stuff anymore).  I think it's an alright setup, but it's slow (at least on
my double speed CDROM drive) and it can't seem to install packages from the
control panel in X-Windows like it says it can.  I don't know why this is; I
just never had any luck making it work.

        Also, the hard drive installation options are quite limited.  The
Summer 1994 edition offered three options:

cd_dependent (4 megs)  System runs from the CD, but files/configurations you
                       create are stored on the HD

custom (35 megs)       Small set of programs, including a minimal X-Windows
                       setup, are stored on the HD.  Supposedly the X
                       "control panel" lets you install other packages, but
                       it never worked for me...

standard (600 megs)    Supposed to be only 300 megs, but the Yggdrasil guys
                       changed it at the last minute to include storage of
                       all the source code (compressed) in the HD
                       installation.  This setup contains pretty much every-
                       thing that's on the CD.

complete (1 gig)       Everything on the CD; source code decompressed.

        The programs that are included on this CD pretty much cover
everything you'd need for a solid Linux system: X-Windows (along with a slew
of graphic editors, games, graphic file viewers, multimedia mail, on and
on), emacs, TeX, Ghostscript, gcc, communication software (minicom, xc,
rz/sz, seyon, kermit), mail readers (elm, pine, mail, smail/rmail),
newsreaders (tin, nn), UUCP stuff, TCP/IP networking stuff, ftp, gopher,
yadda yadda yadda...  You name it, it's there.  If only there were options
to install by package instead of the above CD dependencies...  The
distribution could use a bit of work.

        But for systems that only have about 40 megs to dedicate to Linux,
the Plug-and-Play CD is a fairly good option.  It needs some tweaking, but
it gives you access to programs that you would otherwise not have access to
without lots of hard drive space.  Hell, it's only about $25...

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