Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #816
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 20:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #816, Volume #2                Sat, 24 Sep 94 20:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (James Logajan)
  Re: LILO, Fdisk and readonly (Erik Ratcliffe)
  Re: Word Processor for Linux? (Grant Edwards)
  Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (Sujat Jamil)
  YP / NIS Master Server Software ?? (Richard Farrar)
  Re: Linux Businesses (Phil Hughes)
  Re: MODULA-2 for Linux? (David Alan Black)
  Binary of "sysline"? (Emarit Ranu)
  Re: 486 Math Not Detected on 486SLC (Derek Snider)
  Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN (Benjamin John Walter)
  Re: Do HP SCSI DAT drives work? (David Sears)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Chree Haas)
  Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: Sound Blaster Driver (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (H. Peter Anvin)
  Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair (Daniel Andor)
  Re: Mitsumi FX001D on SoundBlaster 16 MCD ? (David Barth)
  Which CD-ROM distribution? (Paul Schauble)
  How to use floppy with linux? (kidd travis danemon)
  Re: C++ fabs() not defined in g++??? (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: alt.games.doom.linux : vote for... (Robert Willett)
  Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux? (James F. Prudente)

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From: [email-masked] (James Logajan)
Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:18:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Ernest Leuenberger) writes:
> In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (DAVID L. JOHNSON) writes:
> |> In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Sean Gilley) writes:
> |> >In article <baba.780217027@ph-meter>,
> |> >Baba Buehler <[email-masked]> wrote:
> |> >>[email-masked] (Alex Ramos) writes:
> |> [snip]
> |> 
> |> >Nope.  I've noticed this myself.  If you have two Xterm windows up, and
> |> >highlight text in the first, then *click* on the second, you no longer
> |> >have text selected for cut and paste.
> |> >
> |> >Anyone know how to fix this?
> |> >
> |> Huh?  Are you sure it's not still in the buffer?  Why do you click on the other
> |> term  -- and with which button?  It may not still be highlighted, if say you 
> |> type in an xterm, but you can still paste.  At least I can.
> I have the same problem and I also have it at work on my Sparc. I think it's
> related to the window manager (I run olvwm on both systems). As for why you
> click on the other window... you may want to raise it before you do the paste.
> On a 14" monitor it's usual that you don't see all of the two windows at once.

The options available in a window manager can sometimes make a difference. I
could see why clicking on a window with the left button to change the
keyboard focus might also clear the copy-buffer. The window manager would
do two things with that click: change the focus, (possibly raise it too), and
then try to highlight a null-size copy area which clears your copy-buffer.
According to the olwm man page:
"You can set the input focus to a window and simultaneously raise it to the
 top by clicking the left mouse button in the window's title bar or border.
 Olwm has another focus mode called "focus-follows-mouse." In 
 this mode, whatever window the mouse is pointing to will receive
 the input focus. To switch the input focus from one window to
 another, you simply move the pointer to the other window; you
 don't have to click at all."

They state rather specifically that it has to be the title bar or
border, not within the drawing window. You might also want to play with
a different focus mechanism. Try the following resource:
olwm*SetInput: followmouse

I use mwm and prefer the pointer/followmouse mechanism over the point-and-click
method. You might too. I know that you place resources for mwm in .Xdefaults;
I'm not sure where the best place is for them for olwm.

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Ratcliffe)
Subject: Re: LILO, Fdisk and readonly
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:19:40 GMT

Dave Wagner ([email-masked]) wrote:

: 4) I've been trying to figure out how to get lilo to pass "ro" (or
:    "read-only" to the kernel at boot so I don't have to keep rdev-ing)
:    The LILO documentation hints at it but doesn't give the example
:    command.  (At least that I could find).

        You should only have to do the rdev thingy once.  You execute
 
                           rdev -R /vmlinuz 1

then execute LILO to update the master boot record, then you're done.  

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From: [email-masked] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux?
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:11:26 GMT

DAVID L. JOHNSON ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Grant Edwards) writes:
: >
: >>I want somethat is either WYSI(exactly)WYG or something like LaTeX.
: >
: >Oh no....here come the religious wars again.
:
: Let's just say that EZ is not for everyone. Fine.  It is WYSIWYG to a very
: large extent, certainly enough for memos, letters, etc.  Grant, use what
: you want.  Don't dump on the work of a very good team of programmers who 
: have produced a very nice package, just because it doesn't print page
: breaks and footnotes for you.

I apologize.  I certainly didn't mean to "dump on" anybody or to
encourage or discourage anybody to use any particular word processing
or typsetting program.  Ez is quite impressive -- especially in that
you can edit spreasheats, graphical stuff, and many other kinds of
objects.  I'll keep my preferences on word processing to myself from
now on.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I had pancake makeup
Rosemount Inc.                                |for brunch!
                                              |
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From: [email-masked] (Sujat Jamil)
Subject: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:22:43 GMT

I'd really like to know why does Linux DOOM run significantly slower
on Linux than it does on DOS for the same machine.  Is it because it
has to go through multiple layers of X and Linux?  I've also played it
on a SGI workstation, where it is reasonably fast.  Of course, the
machine also had a 150 MHz MIPS processor.  Is there any way to
make doom run faster on Linux besides getting a faster machine?

Sujat

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Sujat Jamil                                             Electrical Engineering
Graduate Research Assistant                             University of Minnesota
[email-masked]**************************

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From: [email-masked] (Richard Farrar)
Subject: YP / NIS Master Server Software ??
Date: 24 Sep 1994 20:56:31 GMT

I've looked at sunsite and cound not find any YP/NIS master server software,
sunsite only has the client software.

Any One Know where I can get the Master Server Software ???

Thanks in Advance 

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From: [email-masked] (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Linux Businesses
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:29:39 GMT

Randy Hootman ([email-masked]) wrote:

: People need to know what services are available.
...

Good idea Randy.  Let me point out that Linux Journal currently has a
Consultants Directory in it.  This can be a source of people for you to
contact as well as its primary purpose: showing people where to find Linux
consulting.

The primary advantage of the listing in LJ is that it reaches a lot of
people who are not on the Internet and are thus more likely to need
hand-holding.  For those out there doing consulting, your initial listing
in LJ is free, then it costs $150/year (which about 1/2 covers our actual
cost but weeds out the "list me for the hell of it" from people who are
serious).

--
Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 527-3385
usually [email-masked], sometimes [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (David Alan Black)
Subject: Re: MODULA-2 for Linux?
Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:37:09 -0400

[email-masked] (George Braybrook) writes:

>I've installed Linux on my PC so I can do my Comp Sci homework in Modula-2.
>One *teeensy* problem. Linux doesn't come with a modula-2 compiler. 
>HEEELP ME! Is there one available (SRC or executable) anywhere?

Look for MOCKA on sunsite (development/modula-2):

Begin2
Title        = Modula-2 Compiler MOCKA for Linux
Version      = 9406
Desc1        = The GMD Modula-2 Compiler MOCKA for Linux
Desc2        = The main package includes the compiler-binary, the source
Desc3        = of the library and some more stuff like documentation or
Desc4        = examples. The sourcecode for the compiler is in
Desc5        = mocka9406src.tar.gz .
Author       = Holger Hopp (INTEL80386-Backend, all Authors see Comment)
AuthorEmail  = [email-masked]
Maintainer   = GMD Karlsruhe
MaintEmail   = [email-masked]
Site1        = i44s10.ira.uka.de
Path1        = /pub/mocka/linux
File1        = mocka9406main-linux.tar.gz
FileSize1    = 299903
Site2        = sunsite.unc.edu
Path2        = /pub/Linux/devel/modula-2
File2        = mocka9406main-linux.tar.gz
FileSize2    = 299903
Site3        = tsx-11.mit.edu
Path3        = /pub/linux/packages/modula-2
File3        = mocka9406main-linux.tar.gz
FileSize3    = 299903
Site4        =
Path4        =
File4        =
FileSize4    =
Required1    = Linux, shared libs 4.5.24, as, ld, crt0.o
Required2    = GNU make (just for installation)
Required3    =
Required4    =
CopyPolicy1  = Copyright (c) by GMD Karlsuhe
CopyPolicy2  = Freely Redistributable, see README file
Keywords     = Modula, Modula-2, Compiler, MOCKA
Comment1     = Authors of MOCKA: M.Armbruster, U.Drepper, H.Emmelmann,
Comment2     =   F.Engelmann, H.Hopp, G.Kock, H.Nebelung, F.W.Schroeer, 
Comment3     =   D.Schwarz-Hertzner, C.von Roques, J.Vollmer, W.Wirz
Comment4     = MOCKA is also available on SUN3, SPARC, MIPS, VAX, T800
RelFiles1    =
RelFiles2    =
RelFiles3    =
Entered      = 28JUN94
EnteredBy    = Holger Hopp
CheckedEmail = [email-masked]
End

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From: [email-masked] (Emarit Ranu)
Subject: Binary of "sysline"?
Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:36:27 GMT

        Anyone have a working binary of "sysline" using ncurses?
        Let me know if you do, I would like to get my hands on it.

        Thanks!

--
        -Emarit       [email-masked]

        KG0CQ    _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._

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From: [email-masked] (Derek Snider)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: 486 Math Not Detected on 486SLC
Date: 22 Sep 1994 17:05:48 -0400

Karl Buck ([email-masked]) wrote:
: System:

: ThinkPad 340
: 486SLC 25/50
: kernel v1.1.51
: Slackware 2.0.0

: Symptoms:
: When installing a fresh 1.1.51 kernel (gcc 2.5.8), and booting things
: go ok until it gets to the math coprocessor test where it says
: something to the effect:

: Math coprocessor or emulator not found
: Giving up

: Anyone know how to fix this or why it is happening? --Karl

Are you sure you have a math-coprocessor?  The 486-SLC doesn't come with one
built in... you have to purchase it separately.  If you don't have one...
just enable math-coprocessor emulation.

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From: [email-masked] (Benjamin John Walter)
Subject: Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 16:59:11 +0000

: Are there IP addresses set aside for standalone LANs?  Where are they 
: documented?

Okay, I have two suggestions... In ``TCP/IP Network Administration''
by ORA, it says that the address with a first byte "Greater than 223,
indicates the address is reserved.  We can ignore these reserved
addresses".  You shouldn't find people using those addresses on the
Internet, so I guess you could use address then 224.0.0.x for your own
LAN.

My other suggestion is to register your own Class C Network with
InterNIC, who will assign you your own IP numbers.  It doesn't cost
anything, and if you planning to eventually connect your LAN to the
Internet it might be worth looking into.  I *think* you can pick up
the form from internic.net somewhere, but I don't remember where.
See what you think.

peace,  Ben

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From: [email-masked] (David Sears)
Subject: Re: Do HP SCSI DAT drives work?
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:45:29 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Richard Giles) writes:

>Anybody know if HP SCSI DAT drives work on Linux. We have an Adaptec SCSI
>card which is already working with a 1 Gig. hard disc.

I'm using the HP `JetStore 2000', Kernel 1.0.0, Adaptec 1742. No
complaints except that the HP tape cartridges sometimes are ejected
with the bottom slide still open. I can close them manually.

>Also, can you have multiple backups on the 1 tape.

If you use the `mt' utility on the *non*-rewind device name to position
to end-of-data and you have the space remaining on the cartridge, yes.

>Richard

>------------------------------------------
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>Fisons Instruments Surface Systems
>Tel. (+044) 342 327211  Fax. (+044) 342 315074
>EMail: [email-masked]
>       or [email-masked] (backup only)
>Compuserve: 100065,132

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Huntington, CT USA-06484    | or [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Chree Haas)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:45:14 GMT

Bill Broadley ([email-masked]) wrote:

: :    You should note the the Indy has a MIPS R4600 processor, which is
: :    much faster than Pentium.  Also, the SCSI Drive is faster and more
: :    expandable than the Dell IDE.  Overall, the Indy will have much
: :    higher throughput and lower price/performance.
BTW, when you ran the benchmark, did you add the -mips2 to the command
line for the SGI?  That can easily make a 5-10% speedup in the code over
the default -mips1 option.  BUT I don't know what using a pentium optimized
compilers effects would be...

Chree

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 11:23:24 +0200
From: [email-masked] (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?

Hello Harry C Pulley and all others,

on 21.09.94 Harry C Pulley wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

HCP> I got the Mitsumi because it is a bit cheaper here but more because the
HCP> Mitsumi's seek time (1/3 stroke) is 250ms and full stroke is 380ms.  The
HCP> Panasonic's 1/3 stroke is 380ms.  This is a big difference.  No, I didn't
HCP> do any side by side benchmarks on it, I'm going on spec sheets here.

The specs are lying. The Panasonic is faster than the Mitsumi.

Greetings ... Eberhard

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 11:39:48 +0200
From: [email-masked] (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster Driver

Hello chris and all others,

on 23.09.94 chris wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

c>   A quick question, I have a creative labs Sound Blaster Pro 16 w/
c>   SCSI II adapter along with a Sony 541 CD-ROM.  I can't get the
c>   sbpcd driver to work with my kernel, any help would be appreciated...

If you are using a SCSI CDROM drive, the sbpcd driver can not help you.
It will work with your kernel, but not with your drive.

Greetings ... Eberhard

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From: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Reply-To: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 17:58:16 GMT

Followup to:  <[email-masked]>
By author:    [email-masked] (Peter C. Norton)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
> 
> No, no, no (shaking head sadly).  First, I believe that the PCI bus is
> only 32 bits wide.  Now go and do your math.  Second, have you any means of
> benching your bus at optimum performance?  I think you're in for a hard
> dose of reality...
> 

Your belief is incorrect.  The PCI bus has both 32 and 64 bit
versions.

        /hpa

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Andor)
Subject: Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 21:21:07 +0000

Hi,

Is the Novell os supposed to be the one that _properly_ suppors dos, win, X,
etc at the same time?
Could somebody clarify this please?

(email would be nice cos downloading this newsgroup is a bummer!)
Thanks!

-- 
Daniel Andor
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (David Barth)
Subject: Re: Mitsumi FX001D on SoundBlaster 16 MCD ?
Date: 22 Sep 1994 11:29:00 +0200

Kees de Bruin ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Thomas Niederreiter writes:

:  > Hi!
:  > Supports the linux-kernel this combination?

: Yes, just make sure that the correct IRQ is set in the file mcd.h in the
: include/linux directory.

Beware of the Mitsumi dumb audio cable ! In order to get CD-Audio sound
on your SB16 you should check the connector and the cable. The white plug
on the cable is inversed (well it was with a lot CD's I mounted here in France)
-- 
D.Barth ([email-masked])         "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Schauble)
Subject: Which CD-ROM distribution?
Date: 22 Sep 1994 17:59:29 -0700

I'm wondering which Linux distribution to get. Could knowledgable people 
please say a few words about the pros and cons of the different ROMs?

  Thanks,
    ++PLS

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From: [email-masked] (kidd travis danemon)
Subject: How to use floppy with linux?
Date: 20 Sep 94 16:18:13 GMT

Hi.  I have Linux installed on my hard drive, and would like to know how I
can format and copy to and from floppy disks.  I know my drives are named
fd0 and fd1, but that's about it.  Any help on this group or private E-mail
would be appreciated.

-Travis 

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From: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: C++ fabs() not defined in g++???
Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:27:21 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Stephen Gourdie ecrit:

>  [email-masked] (Anibal Jodorcovsky) writes:
> : Add -lm to the link command.  On the Sun fabs() is probably a macro
>
> compiling the above with the command line
>
> g++ -lm -o test test.cc

The libraries must be the last arguments. Use:

g++ -o test test.cc -lm

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Willett)
Subject: Re: alt.games.doom.linux : vote for...
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:13:10 +0000

Lets get a Linux doom group. Then I can spend even more time doing 
absolutely nothing useful. <grin>.
-- 
Robert Willett
============================================================
"Life is too short to spend on the Internet"

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From: [email-masked] (James F. Prudente)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux?
Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:08:17 GMT

Craig ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Larry Doolittle ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : money back guarantee.  Has Royal learned to use heat sink compound
: : (when they install heat sinks on processors) yet?

: Using the heat sink compound with a cpu cooling fan on Intel cpu's voids the
: Intel 5 year warranty.   Best to use clip-on cpu cooling fans to not void
: the Intel warranty.

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:  
I replied to the original author via e-mail. However, since there seems 
to be such a negative view here about Royal, I thought I'd throw in my 
$.02. Say what you want about Royal, they do ship systems on time. I had 
ordered a G2000, and specifically asked about shipping problems. The 
responce was that there were no delays. Ten days later, when I called to 
confirm that my system was shipped, I was told it was delayed two weeks. 
I still don't know why; three phone calls resulted in three different 
results ranging from the P5-90 sticker to the Neptune chipset. Needless 
to say I cancelled my order. Royal promised I'd have the system in 7 days 
and I did. I should point out that a friend of mine ordered a system from 
a third vendor, and his system was delayed a week. 
BTW, my CPU (a Pentium 90) has a fan right on it. What's the problem with 
not having heatsink compound?
        James Prudente
        [email-masked]

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