Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #821
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:13:50 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #821, Volume #2                Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:13:50 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Where is Mosaic for Term? (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: Term - Periodic traffic generation (Patrick Reijnen)
  STB Lightspeed VL works, but has another mode (132x60) (ET4000) (Thomas E Zerucha)
  Re: howto use telnet/ftp under term? (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (H. Peter Anvin)
  Re: Special Sale On QNX! (Philip Balister)
  Re: Special Sale On QNX! (Jon Gefaell)
  Re: how to write man pages (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Biostar motherboards any good? (John Wallace)
  Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: PPP install and setup (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux? (Kristian Köhntopp)
  Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Mike Cruse)
  Re: What happened to the supposed code freeze? (Michael K. Johnson)
  Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux? (R S Rodgers)

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From: [email-masked] (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: Where is Mosaic for Term?
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:30:41 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Travis L. Cobbs) writes:

>I imagine this has been asked before, but the faq for this group isn't on my
>server at the moment, and I just started reading it.  I've seen various references
>to people using Mosaic for Term, but I haven't seen anyone say where it can be
>found.  Where is it locate?  (Preferably via FTP.)

sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems

>--Travis Cobbs
>  [email-masked]

Patrick Reijnen

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From: [email-masked] (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: Term - Periodic traffic generation
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:32:59 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris Herringshaw) writes:

>Is there a way to make term generate traffic periodically?

>The problem I have is the timeout on the dial-in modem is small,
>so if I get in the shower or go to lunch right before a tupload ends,
>the modem times out and closes connection, thus I have to restart
>everything more often then I'd like.

if you have term 1.19 or higher you can use trdated to periodically generate
traffic. It checks the clock on your remote system and sets your local clock
to this time. It can be set to do its job every #minutes.

>If there is not a way to do this, is there a tping or other sort
>of utility avaiable, that I can throw in a script to periodically
>ping my router on the net end?  I think this would solve the
>problem, too.

>Thanks!

>-- 
>====================================================================
>Christopher Herringshaw     Networking and Special Projects Division
>Medical Center Information Technology (MCIT)   [email-masked]
>University of Michigan Medical Center, B1911 CFOB
>1414 Catherine Street, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0704       (313) 747-2778
>====================================================================

Patrick Reijnen

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas E Zerucha)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: STB Lightspeed VL works, but has another mode (132x60) (ET4000)
Date: 25 Sep 1994 15:05:38 GMT

The STB Lightspeed VL is a really fast card based on the W32i/ET4000.
But I noticed it also has video mode 0x21 which adds 132x60 capability,
but this was not in the setup.S, though it was simple to add.

I remember asking for a card that supported 132x60 text and no one mentioned
this (Trident and Oak were the only others that I know supported this mode).

I am really pleased with this card.  It does DOS, Windows, and Linux - X
windows very fast and it coexists with my monochrome adapter and my 8514/a
card and doesn't require anything funny in the memory map.  It also seems to
have VESA modes in ROM.

People occasionally ask what video card to get.  They should definately
check out this card.  I paid just  under $200, which is the current street
price in my area.  (You may have other applications which would dictate
using a different card, so investigate your options - I am just saying I
know this card works for my application).
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From: [email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: howto use telnet/ftp under term?
Date: 24 Sep 1994 01:15:25 GMT

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars L Madsen <[email-masked]> writes:

    Lars> Dear netters Could some kind soul please explain 'term' to
    Lars> me?

    Lars> I have managed to build and run term ver. 2.1.1, and I am
    Lars> able to telnet from my local machine to a remote machine on
    Lars> campus. I do the following:

    Lars> tredir 2023 remotehost.ucs.edu:23 telnet localhost 2023

    Lars> this will give me a telnet session on the remote host! good,
    Lars> but what if I want to telnet to another host? Same questions
    Lars> regarding ftp.

    Lars> What is the difference between

    Lars> 'tredir 2023 remotehost.ucsb.edu:23' and 'tredir 2023 23' ?

Nothing if your remote machine name is 'remotehost.ucsb.edu'.  You
can specify any hostname you wish.  Forexample, to telnet my machine 
you could do:

  tredir 4023 physics.purdue.edu:4023; telnet localhost 4023

However, this isn't the recommended way of doing things, as you have
to kill the old tredir command befor you can do the new one.  Better
is to use a telnet that is term aware.  This requires, that the you
recompile telnet...  However, since I can tell by your heavy
cross-posting that you are a Linux user, there is another alternate.
Pickup the program:

   physics.purdue.edu:/pub/bcr/term/extra/Linux/termify-0.1.tar.gz

Once you've installed this you can do:

  termify telnet;mv telnet telnet.orig;ln -s termtelnet telnet

and then you won't need the messy "tredir" commands anymore.

With ftp, you can't use a tredir command, so making a term aware
version of ftp is your only option.  Again this can be done with:

  termify ftp;mv ftp ftp.orig;ln -s termftp ftp

    Lars> I would like to run mosaic from home, I tried to run mosaic
    Lars> on the remote computer using txconn, and that worked, but
    Lars> running an x-server over a 14.400 modem is not exactly
    Lars> flying. I know that this is a little premature, since I have
    Lars> not ftp'ed mosaic yet (I can't ftp to ncsa... yet, you know)
    Lars> what do I need to get mosaic to work with term?  Which docs
    Lars> are a good starting point ?

Pick it up at sunsite.unc.edu.  Mosaic already contains full term support.

Followups directed to comp.protocols.misc.

                                  Bill

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:07:48 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Mike Cruse <[email-masked]> wrote:
>David S. Vickers ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>We have five Gateway 2000 P5/90 machines with 32 megs ram, 2 Gig
>Segate barracuda SCSI drives, NCR53c825 PCI controllers, NEC
>Multispin 3X CD/Rom drives and ATI Mach 64 4 Meg video cards.
>Installation was not quite straight forward since everything
>was bleeding edge, but, they are very fast. Especially with
>the Barracuda drives. We are having some crashes though with 
>the 1.1.50 kernel, seems to be related to heavy network traffic.
>I do mean heavy. Anyway the machines are great except their 
>standard keyboards are very non (101 key) standard. They've 
>added things like diagonal cursor keys and one thing that really 
>sucks is that you can (very easily) accidentally put the KB in
>program/remap mode and totally confuse it and yourself.
>

Personally, I really like these keyboards.  They have an extra * key
between Ctrl and Alt which I use an Xmodmap to configure as the X
Super key (extra shift key; X supports Mode_shift, Shift, Alt, Ctrl,
Meta, Super and Hyper, but on PC keyboards generally Alt == Meta),
which I use for all my personal Emacs key bindings.

        /hpa

        

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From: [email-masked] (Philip Balister)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX!
Date: 25 Sep 1994 15:25:08 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:
: Why settle for slow and obselete Unix such as UnixWare, Sun Solaris,
: SCO, Linux or BSD when you can have POWER & RELIABILITY with QNX 4.21!  
: Stop playing games with these inferior o/s's and switch to QNX today.

Anyone know if qnx4.21 supports virtual memory yet?

Philip
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: [email-masked] (Jon Gefaell)
Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX!
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:16:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
 <[email-masked]> wrote:

You're truly a pathetic, clueless dork, aren't you Michael?

Why not get a clue about how your message was abusive (wrong group,
crass commercial content, insulting to group readers) and in general
clear the constipation that obviously has impeded your mind from
full function?

P.S. QNX is Kewl, it's you that's the hemmoroidal irritant.

>Michael S. Scheidell                            email: [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: how to write man pages
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 01:30:51 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Lars A. Hansen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>The subject says it all, how to write them what tool to use?

Well, you can write them in *roff source using the supposedly
documented man macros. But what I plan on doing is using the
rosetta-man package (I believe you can archie for rman). This
is a small package which converts man pages to many formats but
one of its nicest features is that it can convert preformatted
text into *roff source! 

OIf course, nobody says you can't make manually formatted man pages.
But many people prefer them unformatted (nicer output on various
devices).

-- 

Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Wallace)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Biostar motherboards any good?
Date: 23 Sep 1994 20:49:43 -0500

Are Biostar motherboards any good?  They use the Bioteq chipset.
-- 
(John Wallace || [email-masked]) && Team OS/2

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From: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
Date: 23 Sep 1994 23:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Sean Gilley ecrit:

> In article <[email-masked]>,
> DAVID L. JOHNSON <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >Huh? Are you sure it's not still in the buffer?  Why do you click on the other
> >term  -- and with which button?  It may not still be highlighted, if say you 
> >type in an xterm, but you can still paste.  At least I can.
>
>       Is it in the buffer?  Can't say yes or no for sure, but what I
>       *am* sure about is that after I click on the other window, I
>       can no longer paste my selection.
>       So for you latecomers, let me again describe the problem:
[... problem deleted...]

Yes, and it *is* in the buffer. And you can't access it.
I have this behaviour too, it started with one version of
fvwm/rxvt/XFree/weather/seasons... Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
Strange.

Download "xcb", (I don't remember where I got it from, may be the
X11 contribs, the file I have is xcb-2.2.tar.gz).

It is a cut/paste buffer manager; you can see in real time several
X11 cut/paste buffers and what text they contain.

You'll see the text you can no longer paste, in the buffer.

(And with this little tool you just have to click on it to select it
 one more time and paste it anywhere, by the way).

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From: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: PPP install and setup
Date: 23 Sep 1994 23:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Greg J. Pryzby ecrit:

> I am running the 1.1.49 kernel of Linux.  I got 2.1.2a of ppp from the
> net and built and installed.

> Now the questions:
>     There are many readme and SETUP, Notes, etc files, but they all seem
>         to talk about what is needed to setup/install ppp and what needs to
>         be done withour reference to the others.... I am confused,,,
> (My Linux box will use a modem to call a Sun [SunOS 1.4.*].  The Sun will

Assuming that the rest of the networking configuration is proprely
set on your machine, the part of the README.Linux file starting
with these lines:

/* -- begin quote ---*/
CONNECTING TO A PPP SERVER

To use PPP, you invoke the pppd program with appropriate options.
Everything you need to know is contained in the pppd(8) manual page.
However, it's useful to see some examples:

Example 1: A simple dial-up connection.

Here's a command for connecting to a PPP server by modem.

  pppd connect 'chat -v "" ATDT5551212 CONNECT "" ogin: ppp word: whitewater' \
      /dev/cua1 38400 -detach debug crtscts modem defaultroute 192.1.1.17:

Going through pppd's options in order:        
/* -- end quote ---*/

...should be sufficient to get you started.

(The login chat script can also be used to start a command on the
 remote machine, if the remote PPP is not starded as a login shell).

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From: [email-masked] (Kristian Köhntopp)
Subject: Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux?
Date: 25 Sep 1994 11:18:00 +0100
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy

> them.  This is Jobs' way of operating: we (they) supply you
> with everything (at a cost).  Nothing else is compatible, and
> it all is color-coordinated. 

Well, this is Jobs way of operating: He has a clear vision of
a working environment he would like. He looks at the current
hardware and doubles its capacity. This will make sure, his
vision will run on the machines available three years later.

Then he rips the best out of the current technologies and
techniques and integrates it into one environment.

His approach is revolutionary, not evolutionary. He does not
care about compatibility - he never did - because he just
cannot stand the second best solution. He has done this twice
and the result was a working environment that was ahead of its
time at least five years.

For example
> They blew it from the beginning by not going with X.  They
> didn't care about compatibility, and paid the price.

I am working in Nextstep and X environments and I have to code
for both for several years now. And I thank god every morning
that Next did not choose X, but did the Right Thing. X sucks,
it sucks so much you almost cannot stand it. It one single pile
of poorly designed, unfinished, not-thought-to-the-end,
unpolished, memory wasting, ressource hogging thesises thrown
upon each other and Motif makes it even worse.

Kristian
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From: [email-masked] (Mike Cruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
Date: 24 Sep 1994 21:05:12 -0700

David S. Vickers ([email-masked]) wrote:

: [email-masked] (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
: >If Linux runs on your Pentium P90 PCI, or you know of a working such,
: >I'd appreciate knowing what motherboard did the trick.
: >-- 
: >Vaughan Pratt                        http://boole.stanford.edu/boole.html

We have five Gateway 2000 P5/90 machines with 32 megs ram, 2 Gig
Segate barracuda SCSI drives, NCR53c825 PCI controllers, NEC
Multispin 3X CD/Rom drives and ATI Mach 64 4 Meg video cards.
Installation was not quite straight forward since everything
was bleeding edge, but, they are very fast. Especially with
the Barracuda drives. We are having some crashes though with 
the 1.1.50 kernel, seems to be related to heavy network traffic.
I do mean heavy. Anyway the machines are great except their 
standard keyboards are very non (101 key) standard. They've 
added things like diagonal cursor keys and one thing that really 
sucks is that you can (very easily) accidentally put the KB in
program/remap mode and totally confuse it and yourself.

Mike Cruse

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From: [email-masked] (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Re: What happened to the supposed code freeze?
Date: 25 Sep 1994 12:06:45 GMT

[email-masked] (Hayim Hendeles) writes:

   In the latest edition of the Linux journal, there was a letter from
   Linus about an imminent code freeze in preparation for a new release
   (I believe 1.2). The letter was dated July 30. It's now nearly 2 months
   later and I haven't seen or heard any talk about this upcoming code
   freeze and new release. 

   Any ideas when it can be expected? What still has to happen before
   Linus give the official "freeze" command?

We are currently in the code freeze.  That letter, posted to usenet,
was the official freeze command, or as close as we get...  No new
features are going into the 1.1 series at this point; only bug fixes,
in preparation for the stable 1.2 series.

Linus is in Australia, and intends to release 1.2 sometime after his
return.  I won't presume to speak for him too loudly and say exactly
when, since he hasn't said exactly either.

michaelkjohnson

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From: [email-masked] (R S Rodgers)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux?
Date: 25 Sep 1994 17:01:49 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kristian_K=F6hntopp?= <[email-masked]> wrote:
>His approach is revolutionary, not evolutionary. He does not
>care about compatibility - he never did - because he just
>cannot stand the second best solution. He has done this twice
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

1) Macintosh 128k
2) Monochrome
3) MO-based cube
4) 4MB "trial" cubes
5) 8MB 030 cube
6) Monochrome cube, slabs
7) NeXTDimension sans c^3

[Cough] Bullshit.

[..]

>for both for several years now. And I thank god every morning
>that Next did not choose X, but did the Right Thing. X sucks,

[and other stuff I agree with, deleted]

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