Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #826
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 08:13:37 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #826, Volume #2                Mon, 26 Sep 94 08:13:37 EDT

Contents:
  Linus' visit to Perth (Bill Hogan)
  Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Vaughan R. Pratt)
  Usenet groups via SLIP (Dan Halverson)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (William T. Whitehouse)
  setting up FTP anonymous (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
  Re: More Memory = Slow Linux?? (Florian Schmidt)
  TIA vs. TERM (Oz Dror)
  Re: News readers for SL/ip (Brian M Berry)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Bill Broadley)
  CBC News Using Linux for Mail! (Ken Edwards)
  Setting up DOS. was: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Hallvard Paulsen)
  286 telnet P5 with Linux? (Lee Wai Han)
  ext2 QUESTIONS (Michael H. Price II)
  Re: Linux DOOM for X released (Herbert Xu)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (David T. Margrave)
  Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (S. O'Connor)
  Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Baba Buehler)
  Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Ernest Leuenberger)

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Linus' visit to Perth
Date: 25 Sep 1994 22:11:40 -0700

[ Article crossposted from aus.computers.linux,aus.auug ]
[ Author was Patrick D'Cruze ]
[ Posted on 22 Sep 1994 02:39:19 +0800 ]

I thought I might post a brief summary of Linus' presentation at WAUG.

I'd never attended a WAUG meeting before.  I wasn't really sure about what
they did and what happened in their meetings.  So I didn't know what to
expect.

I got there about 15 minutes early.  After obtaining a brochure on WAUG and
AUUG I was pleasantly surprised to see free copies of the September issue
of the Linux Journal.  I believe that LJ sent over 200 copies of the issue
to WAUG at very short notice - well done LJ.  I didn't take a copy (I've
already got the issue at home) but I think many people were quite interested
in its contents - it was a real eye-opener for some.

The meeting started at about 6pm and Linus stepped up after a short
introduction and began his presentation.  His presentation gave an
introduction to Linux, to some of Linux's main features, a few of its
internals, current developments, and future developments and the benefits
of free software.  I don't think there were quite as many questions as the
SLUG meeting but there were nevertheless some significant questions asked.

Two highlights during the presentation:
a) someone asked if Linus could compare Linux and BSD4.4.  This brought
a huge response from the rest of us - I think we've all witnessed the
massive flame wars that erupt whenever someone asks this question on
Usenet.  Linus diplomatically declined to comment claiming a certain
degree of bias :)

b) Linus was commenting upon how he still hasn't earned his bachelor (of
computer science?) from the university yet.  Its an interesting procedure
though because Linus is allowed to teach a few courses at the university
even though he hasn't formally studied the units at the university.
However by teaching them he gets credits for those units towards his
degree.  I guess there's just no substitute for 'on the job experience'.

After the meeting people chatted outside and helped themselves to the beef and
bread carvery.  There was a lot of people waiting to meet and talk with Linus
and I'm glad I took the opportunity to do so.  Linus is a very personable
fellow and I certainly agree with Jamie Honan's sentiments when he stated
that "you couldn't meet a nicer bloke".

Linus now has a few days to enjoy WA's hospitality and I believe he's
heading up to Monkey Mia on Thursday.  He'll be giving a tutorial
on Linux kernel internals on Saturday morning and then departs Australia
on the Sunday for a week in Singapore.  And then will end another leg of
the Linus Torvalds World Tour.  I would've volunteered to show Linus
around our fair city in his remaining days here but I beleive he already
has a number of tour guides to do that :)

In closing and on behalf of many many people, I would like to thank WAUG
and AUUG for bring Linus to Australia and for allowing us non-WAUG
members the opportunity of attending Linus' presentation.  Their generosity
is very greatly appreciated.  And I'm sure that everyone who obtained a
copy of the Linux Journal feels doubly appreciative.  I know of quite a
few people who will subsequently be sending in applications to AUUG and this
is perhaps the highest compliment I can give.

And hopefully it won't be so long before we see Linus in Australia again. :)

Patrick D'Cruze
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Vaughan R. Pratt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
Date: 23 Sep 1994 21:15:37 GMT

If Linux runs on your Pentium P90 PCI, or you know of a working such,
I'd appreciate knowing what motherboard did the trick.
-- 
Vaughan Pratt                   http://boole.stanford.edu/boole.html

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Halverson)
Subject: Usenet groups via SLIP
Date: 25 Sep 1994 17:08:29 -0500

New Topic Alert!  Flame Suppression equipment enabled.

I have a linux system set up to run over SLIP at this time.  I dial into
my slip server every night to get my SMTP mail.  The mail-server trys to
deliver mail every 30 minutes.  Therefore, I may have a waste of up to 30
minutes waiting for mail.  What I would like to do is set up an NNTP news
transfer program to accept the groups I follow down to my Linux machine. 
From there, I could read, post, etc.  What I am looking for is what I
would need to setup in terms of configuration files, etc. and what program
would work best.  I don't expect to receive enough news to overload the 
bandwidth.  Only about 10 groups.

        Thanks for any help
                Dan

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From: [email-masked] (William T. Whitehouse)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: 26 Sep 1994 01:13:54 GMT

Larry Pyeatt ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Bill Broadley) writes:
: |> : |> Funny in my 2 month old magazine I see a DELL P-90, 16 MB ram, 17" monitor,
: |> : |> #9 2 MB vram card (250k xstones), 1 GB disk, 3*cdrom for
: |> : |> $3899.   I'm sure the ethernet card doesn't cost $500
: |> 
: |> : You are free to call Dell and check my price.  I did call them.
: |> 
: |> Read any Computer Shopper, byte, or pc-mag in the last two months.
:
: Your belief is not based in reality.  Apparently you did not call Dell
: as I suggested.  Did you not even read my post?  I read the add in
: Computer shopper and then called Dell to get a price quote.  
: [deletia]
: The number I put down was the
: number that Dell quoted me.  Maybe you should call THEM and tell them
: that their prices are wrong. 

Maybe he should.  PC World magazine, in their Sept. 94 issue, rated the
Dell Dimension XPS P90 with the above config a #1 Best Buy at $3828.  I'm
sure _they_ must have called Dell at one time or another.

Sounds like two realities are in effect here ... one belonging to the 
Dell rep who talked to the PC World folks and the other belonging to the
Dell rep who talked to Mr. Pyeatt.  It doesn't inspire a lot of faith in 
Dell phone support.

--
Bill Whitehouse                          [email-masked]
"It is the theory which decides what we can observe." - Einstein

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From: [email-masked] (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
Subject: setting up FTP anonymous
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 01:07:35 GMT

Hi all,

subject says it all...
how do I go about setting up an anonymous FTP site with Slackware
distribution 2.0?  I read the howto and faq and couldn't find anything.

thanks in advance,
-- 
--
   Anibal Jodorcovsky  *
    Montreal - Canada  *  Unix _IS_ user friendly... 
   [email-masked] *  It's just selective about who its friends are.

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From: [email-masked] (Florian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: More Memory = Slow Linux??
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:00:00 +0000

reply on user [email-masked]

>
>
> I keep seeing posts made by people who have added memory
> to their computers and subsequently experienced a drop in
> performance under Linux.
>
> I want to know if anyone knows *why* this happens.  Please post
> any replies to this newsgroup, since I believe others would also
> be interested in hearing the answers.  If you cannot post for
> whatever reason, e-mail me (I will forward to the newsgroup if
> you like).
>
i think it is because of the efficiency which a relatively small cache has  
when serving a big memory - pool...

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From: [email-masked] (Oz Dror)
Subject: TIA vs. TERM
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:47:11 GMT

Is there a discussion some where about the advantage of one v.s. the other.

-Oz
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From: [email-masked] (Brian M Berry)
Subject: Re: News readers for SL/ip
Date: 26 Sep 1994 06:06:54 GMT

Ian Colquhoun ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Are there any news readers for Linux (or any other UNIX) that reads news
: more like Trumpet for Windows does?  Having to wait while TIN or TRN reads
: the entire newsgroups file via NNTP over a 14.4K link is a bit ridiculous!
: Please e-mail any responses to me..

I found that, at a hit on some functionality (not really a priority for me),
using the -n option with [R]TIN eliminated the nasty "Reading active
news file..." delays.

The catch, though, is that you need to create a .newsrc that contains
only the newsgroups you care about.  The newsreader will then only
acquire information relevant to these groups.  This means, of course,
that a "goto" command specifying a group not on your active list
results in an "not in active file" error.

I find that that the drawbacks don't annoy me too much, as my
subscription list is fairly fixed, and I rarely need to read/post
elsewhere.  (Furthermore, TIN has always been my newsreader of choice,
and I didn't want to part with it :-)

(Hey, I'm even saving some daily bandwidth...perhaps it's the 
 internet'aly "green" thing to do...)

Brian

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Brian Michael Berry                           [email-masked]
Graduate Student / Electrical Engineering       
Cornell University / Ithaca NY

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Broadley)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: 23 Sep 1994 20:37:43 GMT

: 2. SGI Indy does not cost ~3 times more than a top of the line DELL.
:    Let's look at the numbers, shall we:

:       Dell XPS 90, 16Meg ram, 17" monitor, #9 graphics card,
:         CD Rom Drive, 1G IDE disk, ethernet card, 3 year warranty.
:         Price: ~$4400

Funny in my 2 month old magazine I see a DELL P-90, 16 MB ram, 17" monitor,
#9 2 MB vram card (250k xstones), 1 GB disk, 3*cdrom for
$3899.   I'm sure the ethernet card doesn't cost $500

:       SGI Indy, 16 Meg Ram, 17" monitor, accelerated graphics
:         1G FAST SCSI Drive, ethernet, CCD camera, 3 year warranty.
:         Price: ~$6500

Best price I've seen.

:    You should note the the Indy has a MIPS R4600 processor, which is
:    much faster than Pentium.  Also, the SCSI Drive is faster and more
:    expandable than the Dell IDE.  Overall, the Indy will have much
:    higher throughput and lower price/performance.

SCSI has it's advantages.  But EIDE has a higher peak speed (12-13 Mb/sec),
and can handle 4 drives (which isn't bad).

Isn't that price for the 100 Mhz 4600?      INT   FP    
SGI IndyPC   R4600     50/100 16/16         62.8  49.9 May94 SGI anno

Hardly competition for a p90:
Intel XPRESS Pent735   90     512+8/8       90.1  72.7 Mar94 comp.arch(Intel)

Even if it's the 133 Mhz with L2 cache (I doubt it):
SGI IndySC   R4600     66/133 512+16/16     93.7  72.9 Aug94 SGI anno

Still slower.

So I suspec to get 62 specint you spend $6500 or get 90 specint for 
$3900 with Dell.  BTW you can get scsi p-90's with 17" for less from
other vendors.

--
Bill Broadley           [email-masked]           UCD Math Sys-Admin
Linux is great.         http://ucdmath.ucdavis.edu/~broadley            PGP-ok

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Edwards)
Subject: CBC News Using Linux for Mail!
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 05:08:24 GMT

The CBC, Canada's National Public network publishes [email-masked]
as their email address at the end of each show.

Not only am I glad to see the network saving money by using Linux, I thought
linuxers would be interested in seeing evidence of just how far Linux has
managed to spread.

%finger [email-masked]

Welcome to Linux version 1.1.48 at uunorth.north.net !

  1:00am  up 14:34, 13 users,  load average: 0.43, 0.27, 0.25

Login: tvnews                           Name: CBC TV News
Directory: /home/pip/tvnews             Shell: /bin/true

Way to go Linux.
-- 

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From: [email-masked] (Hallvard Paulsen)
Subject: Setting up DOS. was: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
Date: 26 Sep 1994 06:44:19 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Hallvard Paulsen)

|> Even DOS and Windoze require administration.  It doesn't get done, and that's
|> why most DOS/Windoze machines are a MESS.  Stray files, improperly configured
|> software, lost temporary files taking up disk space.  What a waste of money
|> and resources...

I find that DOZ/Windoze takes *a* *lot* of administration in order
to make programs run right. The process mostly consists of
1. Edit config.sys
2. Edit autoexec.bat
3. reboot.

I think that over the last 4 years I have spent at
least 2-3 weeks in this loop. Usually in order to
release more memory for a new application.

In dos 6+ this has become a little bit better, since
it allows you to have different startup options
in your config.sys and autoexec.bat. But this will
of course mean that you have to sacrify something
in order to make other things work. And if you want
to swich from doing one thing to doing something else,
you might have to reboot.

In linux, this is no problem. On my 16MB box I realy
*have* 16MB to play with, not 640.

Hallvard Paulsen

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From: [email-masked] (Lee Wai Han)
Subject: 286 telnet P5 with Linux?
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:16:11 GMT

Is it worth to set up a 286 system to telnet to a P5(with Linux installed)
to do somethings?

What things can a 286 do with such connections?

Do I have any better connection for choose? 
[ Say, null modem / terminal(?) ]

If connecting a 286 didn't worth anything, how about a 386?

Thank you in advance?

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From: mhp1@ra (Michael H. Price II)
Subject: ext2 QUESTIONS
Date: 22 Sep 1994 06:13:44 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a few questions and can't seem to find the answers to them:

  1.  I know that mke2fs reserves 5% of the disk space for the super user.
      I even know how to set it to 0%.  What I don't know is why 5% is
      reserved in the first place?  Does it hurt to set it to 0?

  2.  What is the purpose of the lost+found directory?

  3.  Why does ext2 have a bunch of options that don't do anything yet?

Thanks for your time.

Michael.

P.S.  I have a hard copy of the ext2 FAQ in front of me.  Please no cute
      replies to read the FAQ ;-)

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From: [email-masked] (Herbert Xu)
Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
Date: 26 Sep 1994 10:11:10 +1000

Greg Harewood ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Michael Peek <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >David Taylor ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >: DOOM v1.666 for Linux using X is available at:
: >
: >I wonder: If this is a specific Linux port, and no other ports are in the
: >works, it seems to me that the program would pick up a lot of speed if it
: >used the SVGALIB routines.  It sure would be easier to see!

It doesn't seem to be a Linux specific port as the IRIX version is also
available.
-- 
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Email:  Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~} <[email-masked]>
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From: [email-masked] (David T. Margrave)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: 24 Sep 1994 00:15:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] says:

I've also experimented with telnetting into my linux box from work, 
and had no problems. Could this be a function not only of your
own config, but also your internet provider?

>
>Hello everyone,
>
>        This is my last hope to get some help to an annnoying
>problem that I am having.  If I fail to resolve this problem, I
>may sadly switch to freeBSD, though I regret to do so after
>I spent tens of hours setting up Linux.  I still have faith in
>Linux gurus.
>
>        Said that, I am having problems with telnet an MTU sizes.  If I
>telnet/ftp to my Linux box from a remote site, I find my sessions _sometimes_ 
>hang up.  ifconfig shows that some packets have been dropped. Reading some 
>documentation,  I found out that this is a fragmentation problem that is 
>being worked on in Net-2E.  I choose mtu with different sizes, but I guess 
>the best that can work for me is 576 (though this still breaks.)  I am 
>running v1.1.48 and using SLIP protocol.
>
>        The problem gets much worse and freeze much quicker if you telnet
>to your Linux machine, and then from your Linux machine you telnet/ftp to 
>some other machine.  
>
>        I've seen this problem being reported several times on Linux
>newsgroups, but no one had given an answer to it.  I have programming
>experiecne and I would like to help in solving it.
>
>- Kal Dabous
>  [email-masked]
>

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From: [email-masked] (S. O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:07:30 GMT

[email-masked] (Alex Ramos) writes:

>Yeah I know an xterm is "X-aware" by definition... but maybe someone
>knows what I'm talking about: On slackware2.0 Linux, it's impossible
>to paste between xterms, because whenever you click on one, it emulates
>arrow keys instead of highlighting for pasting. How do I disable such
>an annoying (argghh) "feature"?

>Thanks.

        Gee, I've never had that problem. I'm using Slackware 2.0 right 
out of the (ftp) "box", haven't changed a thing, and I can cut and paste 
all day. Maybe if you _hold_ the button down while making your cut 
selection....
                        Irish

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From: [email-masked] (Baba Buehler)
Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
Date: 22 Sep 94 06:57:07 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] (Alex Ramos) writes:

>Yeah I know an xterm is "X-aware" by definition... but maybe someone
>knows what I'm talking about: On slackware2.0 Linux, it's impossible
>to paste between xterms, because whenever you click on one, it emulates
>arrow keys instead of highlighting for pasting. How do I disable such
>an annoying (argghh) "feature"?

I think you've run across an annoying "feature" of elvis, rather than a
feature of xterms.  Try vim, works better for me.

-- 
%>- Baba Z Buehler
%>- Beckman Institute Systems Services, Urbana Illinois
%>- WWW: http://www.beckman.uiuc.edu/groups/biss/people/baba/
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From: [email-masked] (Ernest Leuenberger)
Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
Date: 26 Sep 1994 11:36:17 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (S. O'Connor) writes:
|> [email-masked] (Sean Gilley) writes:
|> 
|> >Nope.  I've noticed this myself.  If you have two Xterm windows up, and
|> >highlight text in the first, then *click* on the second, you no longer
|> >have text selected for cut and paste.
|> 
|>      Bullshit. 
This language is uncalled for! The described problem is NOT BS. I've seen
it myself. Just because your setup does not behave like this does not mean
some other configuration can't.
|> 
|> >Anyone know how to fix this?
|> 
|>      It ain't broke.
YES IT IS, at least it may be misconfigured. I have this 'problem' on two
systems a Linux system and a Sparc both running olvwm. 
Seeing that fvwm is in the keywords list leads me to believe that it is not
just occurring on olvwm.
|> >Sean.
|> 
|>              Irish
I use "OpenWindows.SetInput:   followmouse". I don't have to click on a 
window to type in it but sometimes I want to raise it before pasting.
(I don't like autoraise). Clicking on the title or border should not 
unselect anything. 

Again I ask the question: "how do we fix this".

Ernest.

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