Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #833
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:13:27 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #833, Volume #2                Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:13:27 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Scanning with Linux? (Mary Shenk)
  Re: 56.6 Kb simulated with 2 28.8Kb modems. Is it possible? (Henry Ware)
  Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Alan Cox)
  Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors (Marcus Daniels)
  Re: Sound Blaster Driver (James Norton)
  Re: Linux AMD Problems---WHICH AMD? (Andreas D"oscher)
  Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (J.J. Paijmans)
  Linux version of crypt(1) (David A. Vohwinkel)
  Re: Does Linux support ATI Mach64 card in non-accelerated mode (Stuart Booth)
  Is a Seagate ST 3660A (525 Mb) any good? (Arno Bakker)
  Re: Driver support for PS/2 (MCA) version of SMC/WD? (Donald Becker)
  NYC Linux Group Meeting at UNIX Expo. (ACC Corp.)
  Re: Linus' visit to Perth (Robert Ashcroft)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Peter Reilley)
  Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux (MacGyver)

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From: [email-masked] (Mary Shenk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Scanning with Linux?
Date: 27 Sep 1994 07:52:45 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Byron A Jeff <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Russell Nelson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:

<stuff>
>In all honesty all we really need is the interface specifications for the
>interface card and the scanner. But getting the representatives I've talked

Or just the scanner, if we're talking SCSI.  (proprietary interface cards
for things that should really be SCSI--yuk!)

>
>My plan (which is stated in the Info-Sheet) is to check out EPSON because
>as far as I know they are the only flatbed scanner manufacturer that actually
>releases the hardware/interface specs for their interface boards.

Well, I'm going to have a go at writing a driver for the UMAX 840, a SCSI
flatbed.  (Because I happen to have one, and would rather let it sit than
even boot winblows.)  From what I hear, the UMAX folks should be good about
giving out the info...I will be talking to them sometime in the next few
days.  This will be my first driver, but I fully intend to do it, as it
doesn't seem my scanner is going to be supported unless I do.  

Anyway, being a newbie at this driver writing stuff, I'd like input on
any sort of hooks etc that should be in this thing for stuff folks might
want to add later.  I know nothing about TWAIN, but if it's something I
should even be worrying about, I'd appreciate some pointers in that
direction as well...  As long as I'm writing this thing, it might as well
be of use to as many others as possible, so be sure and speak up if there  
anything I may easily do to make it more general, etc... I am wondering
what degree of similarity there is between SCSI flatbeds from different
mfrs..  Is it likely that once a driver for one SCSI scanner is written,
others will be a good deal easier?  

Anyway, if this is the sort of thing you are interested in seeing,
please bombard me with any useful information you may have.

-Craig
(posting from wife's account.)

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From: [email-masked] (Henry Ware)
Subject: Re: 56.6 Kb simulated with 2 28.8Kb modems. Is it possible?
Date: 25 Sep 1994 00:00:35 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mark Weaver <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>David Edwards <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>Juana Moreno ([email-masked]) wrote:
>>: I just had this idea. There must be a way to simulate a 56.6 Kb connection
>>: without the need unconventional equipment (from the home user point of view,
>>: I mean). May be with just 2 28.8 modems connected to 2 regular phone lines and
>>: some smart low level packet routing ( choosing for a packet the least busy 
>>: line) it has to be possible. 

Possible and cheap sure.  But, SLIP/PPP connections over modem have higher 
overheads than leased lines/ISDN.  For news, mail, ftp, its a win.  For 
telnet... well, is it really that much cheaper?  

Cheers,
Henry

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:05:45 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>Now, I would never (or at least not for some years) recommend Linux to
>my customers as an alternative to MS-DOS or OS/2, especially not when
>we are talking about networks and day-to-day use of business programs.
>1. There is no support for the more sofisticated disk handlings like
>   RAID 5 or STRIPING.

RAID SCSI arrays work fine - Real RAID systems do all the RAID stuff away
from the computers CPU so that it doesn't notice. If you RAID system
requires the CPU to do the stuff why not just buy an 8bit IDE controller 8)

Striping yes - actually performance so far hasn't needed it. Being able
to grow partitions across disks (ala AIX) is much more important to me and
the one I do miss.

>2. There are no programs available that does Word-processing, spreadsheets,
>   databases, presentation graphics and so on, as we have under MS-DOS
>   and Windows.

Pardon? - WordPerfect, Xcess, Flagship(Clipper), Several SQL servers, 
CodeBase (C/C++ class library for writing dbase tools), Corel Draw/SCO.

>3. There is currently no easy way to interconnect to LAN Server or Netware
>   natively, i.e.  from Linux.

smbfs in ALPHA. SAMBA also allows Linux to server lan manager - including
the extended file name support to NT machines. I couldn't recommend OS/2 to
anyone as a server as it wouldn't have the ability to serve Chicago long
names went it appears. OS/2 also doesn't have a bundled NFS client/server.

>4. There is no support for MCA-based machines.
Its being finalised. Personally the only MCA machines I've seen in the past
three years were 'discards'.

>6. Nationalized version of the few programs existing are not available.
Wordperfect etc all have international support.

>7. Nationalized versions of Linux is not available.
I have a German Linux CD-ROM the SuSE people gave me sitting on my desk.
I guess its one of those illusionary things that people keep denying exist.

>8. Support for modern graphics accelerators like Mach64, Stealth64 etc, 
>   is not scheduled until maybe next year.

But you can pick up the ALPHA tests now. From what I understand Mach64 is
scheduled for Xfree86 3.1. Of course I can go out and buy an alternate X
server if I need to (Tried buying an alternate OS/2 driver for an
unsupported video card 8)).

>9. Printed manuals and easy 'Get started' manuals does not exist.
Wrong. I have several printed Linux books/manuals here. Including some in
Germany.

>10. Support for Mulit-media is shaky.
Now that is a really misinformed statement. Linux can play almost any
animations, have the X MITSHM extension for smooth animation has assorted
sound drivers etc. Tell me where you get nv (network video) for OS/2 ?

>11. Support for ISDN is not generally available.
True.

>12. There is no disk-compression.
True enough but I could never recommend any organisation use disk
compression except on crude single threaded operating systems where the CPU
has nothing better to do during disk I/O.

>When I'm recommending some system to my customers it should be something 
>that has a proven record of durability, Netware and Lan Server both have 
>that when it comes to NOS'es. MS-DOS and OS/2 have it when it comes to
>PC OS'es.

I avoid netware due to its overall lack of open-ness. If Novell don't sell
you the client for your OS you are a bit stuck.

>from a wide range of other products, read MAC disks etc.
Yep - Linux reads Mac disks 8) (xhfs)

>In a network environment, things like RAID 5 and STRIPING both adds to
>security and speed. 

Why are you talking about security in the same sentence as OS/2 - OS/2
doesn't even have usernames and 100% bulletproof virtual memory.

>When it comes to TokenRing and MCA based machines, well IBM is the
>biggest player in the computer world no matter what you people of the
>.edu thinks!

IBM don't seem to make very much MCA bus hardware now. Nobody in the company
I work for uses MCA bus. Token ring definitely has its place. 

As to your overall conclusions - I tend to see windows has a nice
wordprocessing client and little more. I have hopes for chicago being a good
network terminal too when they finally finish it. Linux is a fine server,
development environment and is maturing into a good highend(ish) all round
system. It has lots of things OS/2 doesn't have and vice versa (OS/9 disk
reader for OS/2 ?, CAP for OS/2 ?, Andrew for OS/2) ditto Windows for Linux
8)

Alan
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From: [email-masked] (Marcus Daniels)
Subject: Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors
Date: 24 Sep 1994 20:16:36 -0700

"Theodore Ts'o" <[email-masked]> writes:

>Another example --- suppose I write a program that uses dbm; it can
>potentially be linked against gdbm.  Hence, by your reasoning, my
>program must fall under the GPL!  But perhaps the fact that there is a
>non-GPL library is enough to make it O.K.  Alright, I'll write a slow,
>stub library which implements the gmp interface.  Then PGP must be OK!
>A stub library isn't enough?  Alright, I'll write a library which
>implements the gmp interface but calls a slower package as its back-end.
>Now is that OK?  I'm sure the FSF would find some reason why that
>wouldn't be OK, since they dislike PGP so much.

Ok, what *is* the FSF's hidden agenda?
Why is it you think the FSF dislikes PGP?

Cut to the chase.  Let's here it!

[I'd suggest folks read some of Craig Burley's recent comments on
 the issue (on gnu.misc.discuss). ]

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From: [email-masked] (James Norton)
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster Driver
Date: 25 Sep 1994 11:03:42 GMT

Eberhard Moenkeberg ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Hello chris and all others,

: on 23.09.94 chris wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

: c>   A quick question, I have a creative labs Sound Blaster Pro 16 w/
: c>   SCSI II adapter along with a Sony 541 CD-ROM.  I can't get the
: c>   sbpcd driver to work with my kernel, any help would be appreciated...

: If you are using a SCSI CDROM drive, the sbpcd driver can not help you.
: It will work with your kernel, but not with your drive.

: Greetings ... Eberhard

Get the SCSI Howto from sunsite.  It will tell you how to set your CD-ROM.

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James Norton 

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From: [email-masked] (Andreas D"oscher)
Subject: Re: Linux AMD Problems---WHICH AMD?
Date: 27 Sep 1994 10:46:22 GMT

Robert Ashcroft ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Frank B. Brokken <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >[email-masked] (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
: >
: >>Could you perhaps be a little more clear by what you mean by AMD?
: >>The subject line seems to imply a problem with AMD chips, but your
: >>post seems to have nothing to do with AMD chips.
: >
: >>So far as I know, AMD chips work fine with Linux (I have one myself
: >>with zero problems).  What is this other AMD?

: >Hm,
: >    What's an AMD chip ? Any way, I always use AMD to mean Auto Mount Daemon.
: >    In that meaning: we have coupled some 5 linux boxes using NFS mounting
: >    each other's root directory, with amd managing the mounting process.
: >    No problems, whatsoever, and we're doing it for quite some time now.

: You must be joking.

: AMD as in AMD 486 DX2/66, etc.  As in competitor to Intel.

Watch your mouth, I am AMD.

Andreas Michael D"oscher

PS: And now, no more of this silly stuff.

--
    Lizzie Borden took an axe,
    And plunged it deep into the VAX;
    Don't you envy people who
    Do all the things YOU want to do ?
                            Found in a fortune cookie.

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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev)
Date: 27 Sep 1994 10:28:33 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Steven Buytaert <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>J.J. Paijmans ([email-masked]) wrote:
>>: As for the Great Linus himself: we have to decide yet what to do and how,
>>: but I think dutch or belgian beer will be involved somewhere.
>>
>> Go for the Belgian beer. I can give you a few tips there. But beware,
>> 3 pints of 'Duvel' and the next kernel release will take 3 days extra :-)%
>
>Duvel's is pretty yummy, although a bit pricey.  Lindeman's Kriek is 
>nice too, although I don't think Lambics should be considered beer.
>Otherwise, we don't get too much Belgian beer arround here.
>
>If you can settle for beers from other nationalities, I'd have to 
>recommend Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout and Taddy Porter, McEwan's 
>Scotch Ale, New Castle Brown Ale, and Sam Adams Cream Stout.
>

McEwan's is Belgian, despite its name.

>There are also plenty of local microbreweries in the states which
>have very tasty beers, with personal favorites being cask conditioned like 
>the Walnut Brewery's Cask Conditioned James and Wilderness Pub's Cask 
>Conditioned Stout. Other local favorites are Colorado Kind Ale from 
>the Mountain Sun Pub and Brewery (very hoppy), Extra Special Bitter,
>etc.
>
>For light beers, I'd have to go with Sierra Nevada Pale,
>the Walnut Brewery's Buffalo Gold Ale, or Breckenridge Brewery's
>India Pale Ale.
>

Are those the pilsener type beers? (Lager, I think in Anglo Saxon
speech).

The beer I 'd send to Linus would be the Westmalle Tripel or perhaps
the Rochefort 10. Bit expensive though. That is why I generally brew
my own (not difficult & cheap).

Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting
bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there
put so much tax on it that you'd better invite him over to Holland.
Still I'd want to make a gesture.

(One of the obvious things to work on is electronic transmission
of bottles & alcoholic contents by internet)

Paai.

. 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (David A. Vohwinkel)
Subject: Linux version of crypt(1)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:56:24 GMT

I have a file that has been encrypted with crypt(1), is there anyway under
linux that I can decrypt it?

        Thanks

        -Dave-

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Unix Consulting   ^ ^     [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Stuart Booth)
Subject: Re: Does Linux support ATI Mach64 card in non-accelerated mode
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:47:25 +0000

In article <[email-masked]>
           [email-masked] "Eric F. Sorton" writes:

> Hayim Hendeles ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : I am considering purchasing an ATI MACH 64 graphics card. However, as
> : Linux does not yet have support for this card yet (I know there is
> : an Alpha driver available for those willing to be on the bleeding
> : edge of technology), I am wondering if I can use this card under
> : Linux in non-accelerated mode (e.g. as a Mach32 or whatever which
> : is supported). This will get me by for the meanwhile until Linux
> : can take advantage of the features of this new card.
> 
> The alpha driver is fairly stable.  It is not an acclerated
> driver though.  I have been using it for a few weeks without
> any problems.

Where can we find this alpha driver? Once I get Linux onto my 1Gig IDE disk
(LBA translation problems aside) I'll be trying to get X working with my
ATI Mach 64 card.

Cheers,

Stuart.

-- 
Stuart Booth
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Arno Bakker)
Subject: Is a Seagate ST 3660A (525 Mb) any good?
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:22:52 GMT

Your opinions please on this harddisk type.

Replies via e-mail, thanks in advance!

        Arno
-- 
===========Arno Bakker          /| Gumperson's Law:
Department of Computer Science, |/ "The probability of anything happening
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam,   /| is in inverse ratio to its desirability."
The Netherlands                 |/ URL:  http://www.cs.vu.nl/~abakker

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From: [email-masked] (Donald Becker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Driver support for PS/2 (MCA) version of SMC/WD?
Date: 27 Sep 1994 10:33:48 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
James F. Morris <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I have been working on getting Linux up and running on an IBM PS/2 Model
>70, which has not been an enviable task, to say the least!  But, beggars
>can't be choosers, either.
...
>So, to make a long story short, I was able to scrounge an IBM PS/2 Ethernet
>Adapter /A.  This is a microchannel version of an SMC Ultra, from what I
>have been able to tell.  Under DOS, the same SMC_WD.COM packet driver is used
>for this card, as for an ISA based SMC Ultra or WD8013.  Biggest difference
>is that the I/O port address range is up at 0x800, rather than 0x300 - no 
>big deal, and the RAM address is fixed in the PS/2 setup program.

The WD80*3 and SMC Ultra use different methods of enabling memory.
Do you know which one this card is similar to?

>Problem is, even with the 0x800 I/O port range added to the scan list in the
>WD.C and SMC-ULTRA.C kernel driver, the card just doesn't work right (under
>Linux - works fine under DOS).  I get TX status 3 (timeout on TX) when
>attempting to access the network.

Please include the exact message -- is that the Tx status register or the
general status register?

>Looking through the Crynwr packet drivers shows that there are differences
>between operation of the NS (8390?) chip used on these boards on the ISA
>vs. MCA bus.  Specifically, the MCA bus has twice as fast a clock cycle as
>the ISA bus.  The Crynwr driver inserts extra delays if it detects operation
>on a Microchannel machine.  Other differences are some extra setup in
>certain registers on the NIC's ASIC.

Those delays shouldn't be necessary with the UltraChip.  They were for
earlier chips that needed a recovery period between accesses.  That was a
bug, not a feature.

BTW, which driver are you trying to use, the SMC Ultra or WD80*3?
Is the ethernet address correctly detected?
Are you receiving any packets at all?  Even errors?  Check /proc/net/dev.
What addresses can the board end up at?

-- 
Donald Becker                                     [email-masked]
USRA-CESDIS, Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center,  Greenbelt, MD.  20771
301-286-0882         http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html

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From: [email-masked] (ACC Corp.)
Subject: NYC Linux Group Meeting at UNIX Expo.
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:35:25 GMT

Subject:  NYX Linux Group Meeting at UNIX Expo

There will be a New York City (and region) Linux Users Group meeting at Unix
Expo at New York's Jacob Javits Center on Tuesday October 4, at 5.30pm. 
While a room has not been assigned, it will be in the conference room area
on the lowest level.

The general theme of the evening will be "ask the guru", and we will be
trying to encourage as much interaction between the attendees as possible. 
There will be a panel of knowledgable Linux users on hand to discuss issues
from how to configure hardware, to the future of the Linux OS for both
recreational (DOOM) and corporate use.  The goal will be to have the
"audience" contribute as much as possible.

So come out and meet many of the local and a few national Linuxers.  There
will be even be give aways and we'll invite some suppliers of Linux products
and tools, who will be at the show, such as the Linux Journal crew, to drop by.

You can get a complimentary exhibits pass by registering electronically by 
telnetting to: blenheim.com
and logging in as: unix94
choose your terminal mode (ansi or vt100)
and fill in the form. It did odd things when I registered, but seemed to work.

We also have "complimentary exhibits" paper passes to the show.  Most years
these are accepted at the door despite their advance registration wording. 
If you email me with the subject: EXPO   and include an address I'll put one
in the mail.

See you on the 4th.

Cheers,  Bob Young,   [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Linus' visit to Perth
Date: 27 Sep 1994 05:05:21 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, S. Keeling <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>, Bill Hogan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>I thought I might post a brief summary of Linus' presentation at WAUG.
>[stuff deleted]
>>on the Sunday for a week in Singapore.  And then will end another leg of
>>the Linus Torvalds World Tour.  I would've volunteered to show Linus
>
>       What I want to know is, who's going to be the the one who
>produces and distributes the "Linu[sx] World Tour" t-shirts. Who ever
>it is, put me down for an X-Large, please.             =[8]-)

Well, can we get his itinerary from the last few (busy) years?

RNA

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Reilley)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:49:21 GMT

[email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:

$>In article <[email-masked]>, Erik Ratcliffe <[email-masked]> wrote:
$>>Guy Bobenrieth ([email-masked]) wrote:

$>>Hell, it's only about $25...
$>>

$>Well, $34.95 list, really.

        $25.00 at CDROMs+ (603) 898-5047 of Salem, New Hampshire.   I got
one Friday.
Pete.

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From: [email-masked] (MacGyver)
Subject: Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux
Date: 26 Sep 1994 23:58:27 -0500

DAVID L. JOHNSON ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Cornelius Krasel) writes:
: >S. Troughton ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >: I am new to using Linux and I was wondering what editors/wordprocessors
: >: exists. The ones I know about (came with the Slackware distribution) are
: >: Emacs (several variants), TeX (lots of different macros), Jove, ed and elvis.
: >: I have also invested in Crsip (not working yet).
: >

TeX...I've got a few questions about that.  Is there a good TeX editor?  If
so, WHERE?  Are there TeX converters from say ASCII to TeX or vice versa?
If so WHERE?  I'd like to find a good TeX editor (preferrably X based) and
get it running, however, I seem to be running into brick walls whenever I
try to find any information about it.

HJD.

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