Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #859
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 15:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #859, Volume #2                 Sat, 1 Oct 94 15:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux (Adam Wasserman)
  Re: How Old Is Linus? (Jiann-Ming Su)
  Re: TI486DCL (Len Bayles)
  Re: PPP chat script (Al Longyear)
  Re: Probs with ppp (Al Longyear)
  P.D. TCP/IP that will run on SCO? (Nexgen)
  Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD? (Michael Hunter)
  DOS 6.0 Interlnk->Linux??? (Jeremy Gordon)
  Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (A. Rohde)
  Re: A couple simple questions (Dennis Heltzel)
  Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair (Marc Fraioli)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Jiann-Ming Su)
  Re: Mathematica, GAUSS (Vince Taluskie)
  Re: New User HOWTO proposal ([email-masked])
  What happened to "wt" ? ([email-masked])
  Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard (Steven M. Henry)
  Re: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? (Marc Fraioli)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Rakesh Malik)
  Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Marc Fraioli)

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From: [email-masked] (Adam Wasserman)
Subject: Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:43:14 GMT

I posted the same question a few weeks ago.  Responses condensed themselves
into two possibilities:

1.  The editor in the Andrew package (aka AUIS)
    ftp:  sunsite.unc.edu::/pub/Linux/X11/andrew/
          word processor only is auis63L1-wp.tgz

2.  SCO version of Word Perfect iBCS2 support added to the linux kernel.
    ftp:  tsx-11.mit.edu::/pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2

-- Adam

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| Adam Wasserman   Sakura Global Capital   [email-masked] |
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From: [email-masked] (Jiann-Ming Su)
Subject: Re: How Old Is Linus?
Date: 30 Sep 1994 14:49:25 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
Terence S. Murphy <[email-masked]> wrote:
>sure it will happen if Linux if still around for a couple of more years.
>-- 

Why would Linux go away?

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From: [email-masked] (Len Bayles)
Subject: Re: TI486DCL
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:15:37

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (John Walton) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (John Walton)
>Subject: TI486DCL
>Date: 27 Sep 1994 14:41:33 -0400
>Keywords: DCL

>Has anyone ahve good/bad experiences with 486DLC processors.
>For that matter what is a 486DLC??

>Considering upgrading working 386DX.

>Thanks

I have three up and running in Linux systems.  Seem to work fine.  Mine have 
the co-processor built in.  THey run 1.5 x a 386-40.  I bought them from a 
company called LPC Technolgy and I think the price now is about $155.  I have 
8 meg of ram in each also.

len

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: PPP chat script
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:13:46 GMT

[email-masked] (Ahmad S. Alrasheedan) writes:

>I realised that the problem was not a chat script, both machines were
>chating all right. I reach the stage of 'word:', then hell breaks loose.
>I get alarm, fail. !!. I use the same 2 machines with PPP but on SCO; same
>modems same everything, except I just swap the HD at home to run Linux.

>I even use the same dialer string on SCO and linux. If any body know of such
>a problem I would like to learn from their exp.

Ah-ha, you are try to use SCO . . . .

The last person which I helped who tried to use SCO said that the SCO
tty drivers were so slow that he needed to put delays "\d\d" before
the reply strings. Apparently, SCO flushes the typeahead buffer during
its logon sequence while most systems do not.

You may wish to try the delays. If that doesn't work, then send me
mail and I'll see about digging up the actual details. It was fairly
ugly as I recall. However, it did work.

-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: Probs with ppp
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:20:20 GMT

[email-masked] (Thorsten Dombach) writes:

>Hi all!!

>I've got some probs with ppp.
>I have a friend, his ppp works fine.
>So he made a kernel for me, gave me his pppd and his /etc directory.
>And I tried it. But nothing.
>I get following errors in /usr/adm/syslog :

>Sep 29 23:34:13 ug211aa pppd[143]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
>Sep 29 23:34:13 ug211aa kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: invalid ioctl: 5495, addr
>bffff9e
>4
>Sep 29 23:43:27 ug211aa pppd[160]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument

Please make sure that you have the proper version of PPP. You must
have 2.1.2a.tar.gz. The 2.1.2.tar.gz file will not work. You will only
get these errors. (2.1.2a.tar.gz is on both sunsite.unc.edu and on
ftp.funet.fi)

In addition, make sure that you are using the proper drivers in the
kernel.  The original Slackware 2.0 code used an old version of the
kernel driver.  This was the package which was put on the Infomagic
CDROM set.

The kernel driver has been corrected in the slackware package. If you
get the package after July 10, 1994, it should have the proper
kernels.tgz file.  If you have an earlier verison, then get the
updated file.

The 'bad' kernel driver reports a version 0.1.2 when Linux boots. The
'good' one reports 0.2.7.

Please make sure that you are using the same ppp.h include file for
both the deamon (pppd) and the driver (ppp.c).

-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Nexgen)
Subject: P.D. TCP/IP that will run on SCO?
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:47:48 GMT

Hello everyone!
    does anyone know of a P.D. TCP/IP that will run on SCO and
where it may be obtained from?

Mr.K.K. Mody
CEO NexGen Info. Solns.
[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Michael Hunter)
Subject: Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 22:49:50 GMT

Po-Han Lin ([email-masked]) wrote:
: If one has a pc compatible with a 486, which OS is the best unix
: operating system?  QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?  
Depends on what you want to do with it.  If you want to explore real time or
distributed programming in a POSIX environment then QNX 4 would be
your choice.  If you want a more generic Unix environment then you would pick
one of the other 2.  List some requirements and you might see some
real heated religious debate :)

                mph
-- 
* Michael Hunter        [email-masked] or QUICS: mphunter

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From: [email-masked] (Jeremy Gordon)
Subject: DOS 6.0 Interlnk->Linux???
Date: 1 Oct 1994 04:17:03 GMT

i like linux so much it took over my computer, and now i don't even
have a dos partition....

but i am an atari jaguar developer, and i need to have dos, solution,
buy another computer, so i did, its a notebook (compaq contura aero)

i am trying to avoid paying $150+ for a PCMCIA ethernet card, (and the
ensuing dos networking software) so i would like to inquire on the
feasability of making dos's parallel port "network mounted drive" program
"interlnk.exe" work under linux (ie have a linux version of "intersvr.exe")

i have experience with mucking about in the linux kernel, and plenty of
C programming experience, and given the availability of parallel port source
(ie plip) it seems feasible...

bottom line, anyone know how to go about getting the protocol for interlnk??
if i just wanted to ftp, etc i'd use the crywnr patches to plip to be compat
with dos plip.com, but then i need some pc-nfs client, or samba and windows
for workgroups, all of which are $$$ and take up loads of low dos memory...

any ideas???

                                -jeremy

questions/comments/answers to [email-masked]

======================================================================
Jeremy Gordon
Senior Programmer
Hyper Image Productions
([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (A. Rohde)
Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
Date: 29 Sep 1994 12:17:12 GMT

A. Rohde ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I use a standalone Linux Slackware 2.0.0.
: I have an 'optimised' kernel (no drivers for things I don't have compiled in),
: run 4 getty's, use tvtwm (eats a little bit more RAM than fvwm) and rxvt.
: When I start X11 on my 8MB system (one rxvt running), I have 4.2 MB free
: (free+buffers, swap is 0). A 'default' window-manager is unknown to me. I think
: Robert is talking about olvwm. olvmw (and the libraries it has to use) wastes ca.
: 1.3 MB RAM. Robert you don't know what your talking about. You did not spent any
: time in configuring Linux.

>       Funny, I thought I did. I built a new kernel throwing out support 
> for all the stuff I don't need, played with tvtwm (which was even more of 
> a hog than olvwm) 
tvtwm is NEVER such a hog as ol(v)wm.

> and removed some other processes I don't need. BTW, on my 
> installation (Infomagic CD, Slackware 2.0), olvwm is the *default* window 
> manager since that is what works out of the box. 
I use Slackware 2.0. All window-managers work out of the box. tvtwm is not
included in Slackware, I compiled it. 

>       Since you're such an expert: Can disk buffers shrink to 0 or is there 
> a minimum size for them?
I think, that the cache algorhithms of the Linux-kernel are the best I've ever
seen. The code is better even than the cache system of Solaris 2.3 (Sparc)
(perhaps, Sun's cache is configureable....). I use the cache, and perhaps it was
written by people who use it. I use applications that read and write hundreds of
kilobytes from the cache buffer instead of the harddisk. For example the
size of gcc + cpp + make + sh +... is much larger than 1MB. If you compile
large programs, you have to write lots of temporary files and to link libraries.
You can mount a ext2 filesystem syncronously, that means, there's no write behind
cache (is the any cache than?). Do this if you want to slow down your box.
I use OS/2. IBM installs the cache with a minimum, fixed size. If I use IBM's
defaults I have to wait ****5 times***** longer for a compilation of unzip
tahn under Linux. If I set the cache to 1.5 MB, I have to wait two times longer.
OS/2's cache is not well designed at all.

> Can I specify that I want to shrink disk buffers 
> before I start swapping out unused (in this case presumably getty) processes 
> in favor of maintaining larger disk buffers which I don't use? 
I think, that Linus and all the other people ( *you* said: "Since you're such an
expert...") do extremely good work. If you can't share my opinion,
*you* should rewrite the kernel code......

Axel

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From: [email-masked] (Dennis Heltzel)
Subject: Re: A couple simple questions
Date: 1 Oct 1994 15:27:15 -0000

Nathan Dwyer ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I printed once.  No CR.  I tried changing some of the printcap around, no 
: luck.  I changed it back.  Now, when I lpd something, all I get are blank 
: pages.  I'm currently using the generic printer entry.  I have a Laserjet 
: 4ML.

The no CR problem (sometimes called the stairstep effect) results from 
the difference between DOS and UNIX text files. DOS terminates each line 
with a CR/LF combination; UNIX only uses a LF. The Laserjet is expecting 
a DOS type file and to prevent double spacing, does not perform a CR 
unless explicitly told to. This means each line starts in the vertical 
column right after where the last line stopped, creating a staricase 
effect.

To fix it permanently, you need to use an input filter that adds the CR 
to the printfile as it is processed. I'd suggest you look at the 
Printing HOWTO, it explains this better and gives examples.

: Secondly, I can't receive files over the modem with minicom.  The blue 
: receive box comes up, pauses for a bit, then dissapears.  If I use xmodem 
: and switch to a shell to run rz -vv I get the error that it can't open 
: /var/adm/szlog.  I made a dummy szlog, and even changed the group 
: ownership from root to users, but no luck.

I'm confused about whether you want to use xmodem or zmodem. When I want 
to download a file, I just type "sz filename" and minicom handles the 
receiving automatically. Try that and follow up this post with more 
specifics if it doesn't work.

Dennis

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair
Date: 1 Oct 1994 15:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Ron Holt) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>, Marc Fraioli <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>They took the teeth out of it
>>after Ray Noorda left.
>
>Basically true.  But who's the "they"?  Certainly not the Corsair team...
>
"they" is Novell management-- whoever made the decision to change Corsair.

>>The new CEO, Bob Frankenberg, is yet another
>>dull business man with no real interest in his industry.
>
>Not true.  Running a billion dollar company is more complex that you paint it.
>
I didn't say it wasn't complex.  All I'm saying is that he's dumping the
more imaginative projects that were underway, trying to appease Microsoft,
and just generally not being a cutting-edge kind of guy.

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: Jiann-Ming Su <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:07:17 -0500 (CDT)

On Fri, 30 Sep 1994, Bill Broadley wrote:

> SGI doesn't sell a 200 Mhz processor.
> 

Hmm. . That's funny.  When I type hinv, it says 200MHz.

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From: [email-masked] (Vince Taluskie)
Subject: Re: Mathematica, GAUSS
Date: 30 Sep 1994 14:44:35 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
Ted Harding <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In response to queries from colleagues, I am trying to find out if
>the mathematics packages MATHEMATICA and GAUSS are available for
>Linux, or in UNIX version which can be persuaded to work in Linux.

I've talked with Wolfram Research over a period of several months
they said that they have NO plans to make Mathematica available under
Linux.  You're welcome to give them a call and make a request for it
if you want, perhaps they'll get the message

mathematica, wolfram research, phone 1-800-441-6284

Vince

-- 
Vince Taluskie
UT Physics Computer Group     [email-masked]
UNIX Systems Administration   http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~taluskie/home.html
 
   "It's easier to be a result of the past than a cause of the future"

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: New User HOWTO proposal
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 09:58:57 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

David K. Merriman ([email-masked]) wrote:

: The tips & tricks would be introduced at different points in the document - 
: for example, the shift-pageup could be highlighted and placed right after a 
: section on the kernel make sequence _and_ somewhere around a description of 
: what all the boot messages mean.  That way, they'd be more likely to be 
: rememberd in the appropriate context.

Are you proposing some kind of hypertext help file to Linux? That would
be an excellent idea, even if you implement it under Dos, the user could
be more prepared for that "first time" boot.

Also, with hypertext you could have links to the other HOWTO's, which
would make it an even more comprehensive tool.

Cheers,
        Laszlo Herczeg
     *** Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group (TLUG)  ***

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: What happened to "wt" ?
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:14:13 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 About 2 months ago, I stopped receiving any information from
 the wt mailing list, and it seems that wt is not being updated
 anymore. 
 
 If someone knows what happened with wt, pls. email me with the
 info to get a hold of Chris and Patrick.

 
BTW, for those who never heard of it, "wt" is a texture-mapped
graphics renderer for Linux, and other platforms. It beats DOOM
hands down, IMHO.

   

Cheers,
        Laszlo Herczeg
     *** Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group (TLUG)  ***

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From: [email-masked] (Steven M. Henry)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 11:08:30

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
>Subject: Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard
>Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 11:29:09 GMT

>Steven M. Henry ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: I am in the market to upgrade my computer and want to purchase a 486 PCI 
>: motherboard that will give me good performance and will be compatible with 
>: Linux. Please email me or post any replies.
>: I will post a summary of the responses.

>Why not just download a copy of the PCI-HOWTO from sunsite?  

I had already read the PCI-HOWTO before posting, I found the howto to be very 
informative about PCI in general, but when it got to the information on 
specific PCI motherboards and graphics card it did not flow very well, and I 
had the impression that most of the users were using Pentium PCI systems. 
Also, I am looking for a 486 PCI with good performance, I have read messages 
form people that just don't get the performance they should on certain brands 
of PCI motherboards.  

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux?
Date: 1 Oct 1994 15:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>[email-masked] (Marc Fraioli) writes:
>> 2.  Although the program is nominally X/Motif (it creates a window,
>> has pull-down menus, etc.), it is still basically a text program.
>> It is clearly text-oriented.  For example, choosing "load" from
>> the file menu results in WP's text file load screen taking over
>> the window from the document, just like it does under DOS.
>> NO Motif filebox.  This shows more laziness than anything else,
>> I suspect, but it still blows.
>
>This is not true.... certainly not in 5.1.  You click on file, you do
>indeed get a standard, motifish file chooser- all point and click.
>
Yes, I know that, but I was talking about 5.0.

[Many of my complaints not seen by you]
>> and you
>> can't scroll all the way to the bottom of the document.
>
>That was fixed in the 11/93 and later versions of WP5.1
>
Yes, but as I said, I have 5.0, which does indeed have these
problems.

>>  There are many more, but these are sufficient to damn it internally
>>in my mind. 
>
>At least keep the damning mostly to the Ultrix version....  :)
>
Ok.  And I meant "eternally" not "internally".  Must have been asleep...

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: [email-masked] (Rakesh Malik)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: 29 Sep 1994 18:19:00 GMT

Valery Petrov ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <ianm.780340433@miles>, [email-masked] (Ian McCloghrie) writes:
: |> [email-masked] (Valery Petrov) writes:
: |> 
: |> >the price difference (similarly equipped SGI is ~3 times more expensive)
: |> >I wonder who whould like to buy those Indigos nowdays. 
: |> 
: |> (in the future, please try to use lines < 70 characters long)
: |> 
: |> The reason people buy Indigos (and SGIs in general) is not to have
: |> general CPU compute servers.  The reason, quite simply, is graphics.
: |> (Yup, that's what the 'G' in SGI stands for).  The amount of graphics
: |> rendering hardware one can get in an SGI is more than just about any
: |> other off-the-shelf workstation, certainly more than in a PC.
: |> Combine this with their GL 3-d graphics libraries, and you've got a
: |> system for doing really really nice graphics programming.

: You are right about graphics rendering hardware. It costs also certainly 
: more then any PC video card. Unfortunately it is highly specific to the
: 3-D polygon manipulations and has very moderate speedup for X applications.
: I measured 85 KXstones on my Indigo R-4000 with XZ videocard ($3000 option).
: You can get comparable X performance with ~$100 worth S3 videocard under
: XFree.
:       3-D GL libraries is also freely available for Linux and they are
: almost compatible with Silicon Graphics GL format.

: Valery Petrov
: Nonlinear Dynamics Research Group
: Department of Chemistry
: West Virginia University

        Also, high-end Matrox boards have 3-d graphics hardware on them also.
Not like top-of-the-line SGI's stuff, but a lot cheaper.

        -Rakesh

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
Date: 1 Oct 1994 15:42:14 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

xvnews is a good one too, if you have the xview libraries installed.
Current version is 2.2 pl1.  I think it's on sunsite.  Note it only
works with NNTP, I think.

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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